Forum logs for 18 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278234 << Hell [00:02]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 02:56:26; cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size [00:02]
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cazalla http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-artist-kuno-goda-migrates-ethereum-1520072 [00:55]
assbot Bitcoin artist Kuno Goda migrates to Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQV1EE ) [00:56]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [00:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.66, vol: 16623.89896827 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.966, vol: 7341.19419 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.86, vol: 11929.06108828 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 242.8, vol: 5.94194598 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.229364, vol: 15965.46670000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.94841, vol: 46.38149774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.68482, vol: 115.92835111 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [00:56]
BingoBoingo ;;more [00:56]
gribble average: 233.951996369 [00:56]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Wait, screen prints of Game of Life creatures are marketable? [00:57]
cazalla apparently so [00:57]
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BingoBoingo Fuck I was on the wrong path doing oild painting of Kim Jung Il on a train getting slaughtered by a heart [01:01]
pete_dushenski https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences! [01:01]
assbot | Times Higher Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiyTL9 ) [01:01]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278231 << or dating site called 'meatit' [01:02]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go. [01:02]
pete_dushenski http://41.media.tumblr.com/d99fe775590fab0566e409f30ceb13f7/tumblr_nt7hopAYVY1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg << moar rights plox [01:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiz7Cc ) [01:03]
pete_dushenski https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11057795_10153322953343375_2884236966562120575_o.png << taleb on gmo. fact vs. fiction. a list. [01:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcG1 ) [01:04]
cazalla pete_dushenski, tis a fake http://i.imgur.com/EqOzRGy.jpg or maybe original? or maybe not! [01:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcWu ) [01:04]
pete_dushenski yours is fake [01:04]
pete_dushenski fakest [01:04]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278126 << very nicely done [01:07]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet [01:07]
cazalla prob both are [01:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3} [01:07]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278196 << doesn't look like this'll pay out quite as richly, but then again, what could ? [01:08]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 02:20:55; BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4 [01:08]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time [01:09]
pete_dushenski yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day [01:10]
pete_dushenski wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds [01:10]
pete_dushenski eg. more mac mini nodes [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2} [01:12]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced [01:18]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies [01:19]
BingoBoingo Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2} [01:23]
* BingoBoingo looking at pete_dushenski's engine swap suggestions wonders what Saddam and co will look like in a decade [01:28]
pete_dushenski haha maybe an m156 wedges its way in there [01:30]
pete_dushenski http://ca.complex.com/sports/2013/12/mercedes-m156-v8-eulogy << written by kid whose writing career i launched [01:31]
assbot A Eulogy for One of the Best V8s of All Time, the Mercedes-Benz M156 | Complex CA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iltfKR ) [01:31]
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pete_dushenski ;;ticker [01:32]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.34, Best ask: 234.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 234.45, 24 hour volume: 11789.83147797, 24 hour low: 229.04, 24 hour high: 236.26, 24 hour vwap: None [01:33]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes [01:44]
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pete_dushenski the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday [01:46]
pete_dushenski there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups [01:47]
pete_dushenski and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski' [01:47]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline [01:48]
pete_dushenski one in usual spot, one in 'frunk' ? [01:48]
BingoBoingo Of course [01:49]
pete_dushenski lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass [01:49]
BingoBoingo If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother [01:50]
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pete_dushenski i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing [01:50]
BingoBoingo And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR [01:51]
pete_dushenski nah, i think this is a personal exception [01:51]
BingoBoingo Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins [01:52]
pete_dushenski there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe [01:52]
cazalla this is the best car fwiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqohbacK2aU [01:52]
assbot VW Passat, 360 grieziens, 4X4 passat double. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MujRlo ) [01:52]
pete_dushenski Ehrnart/Goldsteins << nascar drivers ? or owners ? [01:52]
pete_dushenski cazalla: lol! [01:53]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Father/Son drivers. [01:53]
BingoBoingo nice cazalla [01:53]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: both still active ? [01:54]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago. [01:54]
pete_dushenski oh EARNHARDT !! fuck i didn't know they were jooz [01:57]
BingoBoingo Seems like a JEwey name [01:57]
BingoBoingo Like Koufax [01:58]
pete_dushenski hm. not quite enough to go on there. [01:59]
pete_dushenski there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy. [01:59]
BingoBoingo Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe [02:00]
cazalla BingoBoingo, spotted a dupa http://i.imgur.com/xs29Qrt.jpg [02:00]
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BingoBoingo Seriously [02:00]
BingoBoingo See cazalla, Mayo Gendered [02:00]
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BingoBoingo !up contrapumpkin [02:04]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278246 << this ~has~ to be some kind of disinfo. it seems impossible, like hearing about a demolished skyscraper un-exploding, an egg un-breaking and picking itself up from the kitchen floor and sliding back into the chicken [02:06]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 03:59:20; pete_dushenski: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences! [02:06]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can. [02:07]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/08/23/commentary/japan-commentary/humanities-attack/#.VfjlirRLfkr [02:07]
assbot Humanities under attack | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mul9wA ) [02:07]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute [02:09]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles [02:10]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool [02:12]
BingoBoingo Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction [02:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075074 = 5.2176 BTC [-] [02:27]
BingoBoingo What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92 [02:35]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/644542458735525888/photo/1 [02:43]
BingoBoingo Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother [02:44]
BingoBoingo Jeb http://thecodelesscode.com/case/199 [02:45]
assbot The Codeless Code: [02:45]
BingoBoingo George http://thecodelesscode.com/case/201?name=Wangohan [02:49]
assbot The Codeless Code: [02:49]
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pete_dushenski http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/09/17/detroit-neighborhood-plea-want-squatters/32558019/ [02:52]
assbot Detroit neighborhood plea: ‘We want squatters’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBvshU ) [02:52]
BingoBoingo Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco. [02:53]
BingoBoingo "Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester [02:56]
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pete_dushenski we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar... [03:02]
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mircea_popescu "Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government." [03:09]
mircea_popescu fixed for truth. [03:09]
mircea_popescu ok that nina paley chick is pretty cool/ [03:14]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! [03:27]
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BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! << Oh, yet another Mayo Gendered anon shill [03:38]
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* BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords. [03:44]
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BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182005 << Stockolm Syndrome [03:49]
assbot Follow the Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZep9e ) [03:49]
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mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible. [03:52]
assbot dpaste: 046VT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZeLN9 ) [03:53]
cazalla BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo [03:55]
cazalla thought the episode was preddy average tbh [03:55]
BingoBoingo eh, reading the SA story [03:55]
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mircea_popescu i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed. [03:57]
mircea_popescu 2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome. [03:57]
BingoBoingo Seriously [03:59]
BingoBoingo We, be dragons just burning the poor, [04:01]
cazalla white suit, beard, this HAS to be a mircea_popescu class room! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7b_1442078659 [04:02]
assbot LiveLeak.com - Teacher showing his anger on his innocent students. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUX0zd ) [04:02]
BingoBoingo Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs [04:02]
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BingoBoingo Also, did anyone else have a clue that Gawker Media had a food writer who published recipies and shit? https://archive.is/NvQc2 [04:10]
assbot Dissolve The United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgiTr ) [04:10]
BingoBoingo "Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind." [04:11]
mircea_popescu so she is voting for mp this election ? write-in ? [04:15]
cazalla http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482 [04:15]
assbot Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgNwE ) [04:15]
BingoBoingo He is apparently voting for MP [04:16]
cazalla i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas [04:16]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition [04:16]
BingoBoingo Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs [04:17]
cazalla i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit [04:17]
mircea_popescu wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ? [04:18]
mircea_popescu herp. [04:18]
BingoBoingo Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL [04:18]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it. [04:20]
mircea_popescu easily 1k of 'em. [04:21]
mircea_popescu "americanbanker.com" ? "journalbiz.blabla" ? mmmkay. [04:21]
BingoBoingo Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth. [04:22]
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mircea_popescu https://archive.is/Rfi7E#selection-9597.3-9597.92 << all that eager hope. and then... nothing happened. and then... [04:28]
assbot Bitcoin is still funny and the xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZi72C ) [04:28]
mircea_popescu more hope. [04:28]
mircea_popescu kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people. [04:29]
* BingoBoingo still waits for citadels [04:30]
cazalla that place was so cool back in the day [04:31]
cazalla jeff k and all that [04:32]
cazalla BingoBoingo, here are the citadels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA [04:32]
assbot 2084 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZinPi ) [04:32]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Youtube is broken [04:32]
BingoBoingo Brb [04:39]
mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << historically, tx fee bumps and price bumps correlate [04:43]
assbot Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3DFO ) [04:43]
mircea_popescu for some ungodly reason. [04:43]
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mircea_popescu good morning cultists! [17:37]
mats i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions [17:39]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:39]
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ascii_field oh mats, you're in for such a treat! [17:39]
ascii_field wait till you do rsa padding ! [17:39]
mats and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job [17:40]
ascii_field (e.g., rfc 2437) [17:40]
ascii_field btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo. [17:40]
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mircea_popescu mats well the exercise is useful anyway. [17:41]
mircea_popescu ascii_field makes two of us. [17:41]
mircea_popescu the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded. [17:41]
mircea_popescu so consequently... they must be. [17:41]
ascii_field it was discussed. half-heartedly. [17:42]
ascii_field but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why) [17:42]
ascii_field *prizes [17:42]
ascii_field iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes [17:44]
punkman mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www? [17:47]
mircea_popescu shitting. [17:48]
ascii_field the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload' [17:50]
ascii_field the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable [17:50]
mircea_popescu mmm [17:52]
mircea_popescu you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem. [17:53]
mircea_popescu specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate". [17:53]
ascii_field no shit [17:53]
mircea_popescu it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits [17:53]
mircea_popescu however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits. [17:54]
ascii_field if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk [17:54]
ascii_field *rng bits are [17:54]
mircea_popescu rng bits are always key bits. [17:54]
ascii_field only when you stuff'em in a key [17:54]
ascii_field otherwise they're just bits. [17:54]
mircea_popescu basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng". [17:54]
mircea_popescu that's what it is . [17:54]
ascii_field if your rng is worth half a pence [17:54]
mircea_popescu i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate. [17:55]
ascii_field obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead [17:55]
mircea_popescu they're not "just bits". [17:55]
mircea_popescu no, matter of principle. [17:55]
mircea_popescu the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD. [17:55]
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mircea_popescu am i making any sense or sohuld i restate ? [17:56]
mats punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right? [17:56]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: restate [17:58]
mircea_popescu the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting. [17:59]
mircea_popescu the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand" [17:59]
ascii_field it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards [17:59]
ascii_field (peeking vs deck-stacking) [18:00]
mircea_popescu any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either [18:00]
ascii_field what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng. [18:01]
mircea_popescu but you never will have a rng in that sense. [18:01]
ascii_field and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win [18:01]
mircea_popescu it is a fucking numeric machine ffs. [18:01]
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mircea_popescu so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed. [18:02]
mircea_popescu (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard) [18:03]
ascii_field no shit [18:03]
mircea_popescu right. [18:03]
ascii_field presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key. [18:03]
mircea_popescu so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward. [18:03]
ascii_field (and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it) [18:03]
mircea_popescu !up TheButterZone [18:04]
-assbot- You voiced TheButterZone for 30 minutes. [18:04]
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TheButterZone so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman [18:04]
TheButterZone https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184037.0 [18:04]
assbot TradeFortress tied to Hashie.co exit scam ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMElo9 ) [18:05]
mats punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. [18:05]
mircea_popescu how'd you know that ? [18:06]
TheButterZone know what [18:07]
mircea_popescu you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it. [18:07]
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kakobrekla you cant bring your own food here. [18:08]
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kakobrekla ouch. [18:09]
mircea_popescu assbot dispenses food ? [18:09]
assbot if you ask nicely [18:10]
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mircea_popescu honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot. [18:10]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [18:10]
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assbot you get what you pay for! [18:10]
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BingoBoingo lol [18:11]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58525 << damned zeke party pooper ruining qntra agenda pushing! [18:11]
assbot "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMFpZ0 ) [18:11]
mircea_popescu people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail. [18:11]
TheButterZone unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co [18:14]
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mircea_popescu aha! [18:15]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58636 [18:15]
assbot "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkeUvJ ) [18:15]
mircea_popescu danke TheButterZone :) [18:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel. [18:16]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 10:19:12; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833 [18:16]
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mircea_popescu As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu why am i not surprised. [18:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers" [18:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!) [18:22]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants [18:22]
mircea_popescu moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us. [18:22]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle... [18:26]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278440 << i actually tried it. spiffy gfx, checkers. [18:32]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone' [18:32]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc [18:33]
assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 01:40:50; asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this [18:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278455 << epic. [18:33]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278463 << i have nfi. [18:36]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating [18:36]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ? [18:37]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life. [18:38]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value [18:38]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it. [18:41]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski :to @noahpinion ? << whossat ? [18:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like. [18:44]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it? [18:44]
mircea_popescu i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else. [18:45]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick. [18:48]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious [18:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278513 << bwhahahaah. [18:49]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 14:48:56; assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM ) [18:49]
mircea_popescu THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth! [18:49]
mircea_popescu you know, exactly what usg does EVERY DAY [18:49]
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mircea_popescu http://www.improbable.com/ig/2009/images/Ketterle-Bodnar-Pamuk-Krugman-400pix.gif <<< ahahaah the bra/facemask [18:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkjVUZ ) [18:52]
mircea_popescu every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood. [18:52]
mircea_popescu REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014 [18:53]
mircea_popescu this isn't bad. [18:53]
mircea_popescu MATHEMATICS PRIZE — Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children. [18:54]
mircea_popescu dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs. [18:54]
deedbot- [Qntra] US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency - http://qntra.net/2015/09/us-increases-fee-to-relinquish-citizenship-and-residency/ [18:56]
mircea_popescu to no-ones surprise. [18:56]
mircea_popescu just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens [18:57]
mircea_popescu and they riot because they don't want it . [18:57]
mircea_popescu check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins. [18:58]
mircea_popescu more like 10 actually. [18:59]
mircea_popescu next one will probably be 10k ish. [19:00]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png << ahahaha win. [19:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj ) [19:01]
mod6 haha [19:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang [19:03]
mircea_popescu le factor, which also limits to infinity. [19:03]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:14:06; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved [19:03]
mircea_popescu a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences. [19:03]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278891 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/18/emily-blunt-apologises-for-poking-fun-at-her-american-citizenship [19:05]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens [19:05]
assbot Emily Blunt apologises for poking fun at her American citizenship | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OklHp8 ) [19:05]
mircea_popescu (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.) [19:05]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278582 << this happens to be how provability works too! [19:07]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage [19:07]
mircea_popescu to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity. [19:07]
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punkman mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc [19:17]
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punkman (just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there) [19:18]
mircea_popescu actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable. [19:20]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278592 << i am unpersuaded by this proposition. [19:22]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation [19:22]
mircea_popescu program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate. [19:23]
mircea_popescu this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back". [19:24]
mircea_popescu tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points. [19:25]
mircea_popescu which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use. [19:25]
mircea_popescu thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x. [19:25]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/ [19:33]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on [19:36]
mircea_popescu e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc. [19:36]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this. [19:36]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure. [19:36]
mircea_popescu so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless. [19:37]
mircea_popescu they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense. [19:37]
mircea_popescu but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men. [19:38]
mircea_popescu so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time. [19:38]
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mircea_popescu (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.) [19:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o [19:46]
mircea_popescu utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore. [19:46]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good. [19:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278621 << i wouldn't be too worried about that. [19:47]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated [19:47]
mircea_popescu the reverse'd be more worrying. [19:48]
mircea_popescu but that aside, honest discussion is not troublesome. [19:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else. [19:54]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this [19:54]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does. [19:54]
mircea_popescu BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE. [19:54]
BingoBoingo Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks [19:56]
BingoBoingo In other news http://thevalleyreport.com/2015/09/05/overweight-man-mistaken-for-woman-ticketed-for-exposing-breasts-at-beach/ [19:57]
assbot Overweight man, mistaken for woman, ticketed for exposing breasts at beach | The Valley Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1iooxfx ) [19:57]
BingoBoingo Puritans [19:57]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg? [20:00]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP? [20:00]
mircea_popescu jpeg is actually specifiable. that it hasn't been... [20:00]
punkman in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/ [20:02]
assbot Occupy Babel! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIyuu ) [20:02]
punkman https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel [20:03]
assbot mongrel2/http11_parser.rl at master · mongrel2/mongrel2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIFX2 ) [20:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved." [20:06]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome. [20:06]
mircea_popescu and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday. [20:08]
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mircea_popescu the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence. [20:08]
mircea_popescu the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off. [20:09]
mircea_popescu the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant. [20:09]
mircea_popescu do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law. [20:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). [20:11]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu. [20:11]
mircea_popescu the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine. [20:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go [20:15]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet. [20:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277920 [20:15]
assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?" [20:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested. [20:17]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research [20:17]
btcdrak *sigh* https://forum.bitcoin.com/ [20:18]
mircea_popescu remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control. [20:18]
mircea_popescu all this within the past... month ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach. [20:19]
mircea_popescu lol rogerver and bitcoinceo ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu must suck. [20:20]
cazalla btcdrak, what is so sigh? [20:22]
cazalla if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves [20:23]
btcdrak as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people. [20:23]
mircea_popescu btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent [20:23]
mircea_popescu you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation. [20:23]
mircea_popescu uh i mean cazalla [20:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand. [20:24]
btcdrak ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014... [20:24]
mircea_popescu dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well. [20:24]
mircea_popescu btcdrak what makes you think that ? [20:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278693 << which is why he wasn;t asking you, i bet :D [20:27]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these. [20:27]
cazalla a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset [20:27]
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mircea_popescu those people are idiots. [20:28]
mircea_popescu it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner. [20:28]
mircea_popescu there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize. [20:28]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278860 << took maybe 5 seconds of looking at it, for me [20:29]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc [20:29]
mircea_popescu it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger. [20:29]
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cazalla asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay [20:29]
asciilifeform cazalla: i sorta assumed it was his folks' [20:30]
mircea_popescu (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.) [20:30]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke [20:31]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins. [20:31]
asciilifeform why would it? [20:31]
asciilifeform which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817452 [20:31]
assbot Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you. [20:31]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:32]
mircea_popescu i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible. [20:32]
mircea_popescu i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~. [20:32]
asciilifeform usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.' [20:32]
mircea_popescu so ? [20:32]
mircea_popescu since when did "human life" become your highest value ? [20:33]
asciilifeform i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to. [20:33]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:33]
asciilifeform it doesn't. [20:33]
asciilifeform 'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later' [20:33]
asciilifeform [insert old thread here to save time] [20:33]
mircea_popescu always take the later. [20:33]
mircea_popescu that's how you end up with a son. ask cazalla . [20:33]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough. [20:34]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternatin [20:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278709 << that's ok, when it goes below indiancandy i'll say something. [20:34]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping. [20:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me [20:35]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit. [20:36]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc [20:36]
asciilifeform the more i work with this thing, the less i like it. [20:36]
punkman all roads lead to rewriting gpg [20:36]
asciilifeform and the fewer bits i see as salvageable. [20:36]
asciilifeform punkman: not merely rewriting. [20:36]
asciilifeform reinventing. [20:36]
punkman yeah that [20:37]
asciilifeform as in 'v' re: versionatronics. [20:37]
Naphex https://xotika.tv/#/channel17/RoyalTiffany 2 girls 1 channel :) [20:37]
assbot XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1dSZG ) [20:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people. [20:42]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i. [20:42]
assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue [20:42]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278958 << bestest ever summary. [20:42]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence. [20:42]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278962 << linked in the thread, even [20:43]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). [20:43]
mircea_popescu yeah got to it eventuyaly. [20:43]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark' [20:43]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant. [20:43]
mircea_popescu no. [20:44]
mircea_popescu that is pointedly no sort of solution [20:44]
asciilifeform i didn't say there ~was~ answer... [20:44]
mircea_popescu once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical. [20:44]
mircea_popescu ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark. [20:45]
asciilifeform think of the analogy to vegetarianism in re: their pursuit of synthetic meat. [20:45]
mircea_popescu hm ? [20:45]
asciilifeform at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion [20:46]
mircea_popescu but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal. [20:47]
asciilifeform not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov [20:47]
mircea_popescu i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere. [20:47]
asciilifeform l0l [20:47]
mircea_popescu here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune. [20:47]
* asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food' [20:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain. [20:49]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine. [20:49]
asciilifeform this gets heavy, quickly. [20:49]
mircea_popescu it does, but still, is a tiny niche. [20:49]
asciilifeform my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady [20:57]
asciilifeform for instance, i've been surveying implementations of standard ml [20:58]
asciilifeform the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly, [20:58]
asciilifeform moscow ml. [20:58]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2950 [20:58]
assbot JL: The Mighty Duck ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fMcU ) [20:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278740 <<< AHAHAHA EXAM TAKERS!!! o lordy. [20:59]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards. [20:59]
mircea_popescu think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in. [20:59]
asciilifeform (what's moscow ml? this - http://www.itu.dk/~sestoft/mosml.html ) [20:59]
assbot Moscow ML Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fS49 ) [20:59]
mircea_popescu this is how you ruin industry. [20:59]
mircea_popescu by forcing smart people to do stupid things. [21:00]
mircea_popescu their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway. [21:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers [21:00]
mircea_popescu once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless. [21:00]
mircea_popescu see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem. [21:01]
asciilifeform know what else they didn't have to deal with ? [21:01]
mircea_popescu yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement, [21:01]
BingoBoingo Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too [21:01]
mircea_popescu deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno. [21:01]
mircea_popescu just... somehow it's been lost. [21:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what ? [21:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: somebody, it appears, stayed awake in freshman physics, and understood that if you revv up the supercharger quickly enough, gas cannot escape at the rate it is generated [21:02]
asciilifeform and you get a kind of temporary storage tank [21:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was gonna say 'doing retarded things to stay in food and roof' but then remembered newton's mint [21:03]
mircea_popescu iirc he enjoyed that [21:03]
mircea_popescu (it was intended as a sinecure - he chose to make it a job.) [21:03]
asciilifeform then my original stands. [21:03]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving. [21:03]
mircea_popescu well, in the case of the ones you heard of, anyway, [21:03]
asciilifeform they didn't have to do bizarre circus acrobatics to stay fed. [21:04]
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mircea_popescu newton's aunt, einstein'swife and mozart's sister were not as fortunate [21:04]
asciilifeform mozart's sister, iirc, was a very passable player but never composed. [21:04]
mircea_popescu and shakespeare's mom. [21:05]
* asciilifeform is one of those weirdos who skates precisely on the bleeding red edge that separates being able to do your thing, in the above sense, from not. [21:06]
asciilifeform could end up on the other side of it any minute, any day, just like that. [21:06]
mircea_popescu for all you know you wander back and forth daily. [21:07]
* mircea_popescu usually does. [21:07]
asciilifeform weekly. [21:07]
shinohai https://bitcoinxt.software/onboard.html [21:07]
assbot Who's Onboard - Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrxtqJ ) [21:07]
asciilifeform pet appears. [21:08]
* asciilifeform bbl [21:08]
mircea_popescu in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9jcDwY-MM [21:08]
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mircea_popescu http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5 << now do it with nano. [21:10]
assbot oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 ) [21:10]
* mircea_popescu has never used cat. [21:10]
mircea_popescu and his less is unaliased also. fancy that. [21:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278749 << the former's prolly right but i still don't see how the latter flows from it. except for some people, i guess. [21:13]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer [21:13]
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BingoBoingo I've stopped trying to make any sense of fucking silver prices [21:47]
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kakobrekla how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it [21:54]
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phf asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler. [22:36]
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phf (i was driving between places in turkey, so no internet access) [22:40]
deedbot- [Qntra] Trump Campaign Payment Processor Fleeces Donors - http://qntra.net/2015/09/trump-campaign-payment-processor-fleeces-donors/ [22:44]
BingoBoingo ^ trinque [22:45]
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cazalla i read something before how trump was all mafia'd up back in his new york days and fucked over lots of people, nfi to veracity [22:50]
trinque heh [22:50]
phf asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc [22:52]
trinque BingoBoingo: oh btw "regulatory butt thunder" had me in stitches [22:53]
trinque ah that was hdbuck [22:53]
trinque in either case, epic lolz [22:53]
BingoBoingo trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course [22:57]
trinque see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title [22:59]
BingoBoingo Note to potential Qntra submitters: If you want to submit a story you think is interesting, but don't think you know how to amp it up... the editors can help with that [22:59]
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BingoBoingo Second Note to potential Qntra submitters: Stuff doesn't have to necessarily be "amped up" to appear on Qntra [23:01]
BingoBoingo http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/150293976/nick-diaz-suspension-marijuana-ufc-nac-wada [23:08]
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asciilifeform phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned [23:19]
asciilifeform phf: if you compile standalone that is [23:19]
asciilifeform (vs bytecode) [23:19]
mircea_popescu how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa [23:21]
asciilifeform l0l [23:21]
asciilifeform 'Foreign financial institutions require ex-US individuals to show them a CLN (or provide a "reasonable explanation" of why they do not have one) to comply with the exchange of information provisions of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the various intergovernmental agreements the US has signed with foreign jurisdictions.' << ahahahahaha l0l!! pay $3k to get the privilege of using this other set of usg banks in [23:22]
asciilifeform stead of the usual set of usg banks. [23:22]
asciilifeform what a deal. [23:22]
cazalla mmm smell of burning mesquite.. gunna have to watch for black people jumping my back fence trying to steal muh chicken wings [23:22]
BingoBoingo lol [23:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise. [23:24]
cazalla 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off [23:24]
asciilifeform iirc usg helpfully gives'em lists. [23:24]
asciilifeform of its serfs [23:24]
mircea_popescu lits of what. [23:24]
mircea_popescu containing what, social security ids ? [23:24]
asciilifeform 'mr x is our serf, do business with him like-so or we steal anything you put in usa' [23:24]
mircea_popescu "mr x". [23:25]
asciilifeform fuck if i know of what. fingerprints, perhaps, or stool samples, or what. [23:25]
mircea_popescu i haven't heard of a fingerprints-bank as of yet. [23:25]
mircea_popescu also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note. [23:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was a piece linked from qntra, regarding american 'certificate of loss of nationality' [23:26]
asciilifeform i.e. emancipation papers [23:26]
mircea_popescu (which is a monstruous sort of bond/cfd) [23:26]
mircea_popescu a a [23:27]
BingoBoingo 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off << He passed two of the three tests [23:27]
cazalla BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test [23:28]
BingoBoingo cazalla: No, this was fight day, pissed in three different cups [23:28]
cazalla a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november [23:29]
BingoBoingo Ah [23:30]
BingoBoingo Just another day in the ghetto https://archive.is/W3PJg [23:31]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278922 << woah. harsh. [23:42]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:30:57; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/ [23:42]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278941 << this is the EXACT same basic thing as debeaking (ask a poultry farmer) [23:44]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does. [23:44]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278943 << when i say mansions, i speak of actual mansions. we have'em here on the east coast. [23:45]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks [23:45]
BingoBoingo By the highway? [23:46]
asciilifeform i am specifically ~not~ speaking of cardboard boxes with aluminum planks. [23:46]
asciilifeform not by the highway. [23:46]
asciilifeform by the narrow street that one would never see but for the gps machine. [23:46]
BingoBoingo ah, then why are you driving by them? Do they have carp to steal? [23:46]
asciilifeform see above. [23:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278950 << notbad.jpg [23:47]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 22:59:56; punkman: in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/ [23:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ? [23:48]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2015 23:00:59; punkman: https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel [23:48]
asciilifeform because i don't see the improvement. [23:48]
asciilifeform elephantine piece of shit. [23:48]
asciilifeform one, and the other. [23:48]
asciilifeform and the horse it rode in on (c) [23:49]
trinque can confirm that there's plenty of old money on the east coast [23:50]
trinque though hell, don't they have the good sense to evacuate by now? [23:51]
asciilifeform evacuate where? [23:51]
asciilifeform to where ? [23:51]
asciilifeform and, more importantly, why ? [23:51]
asciilifeform ~they~ are not the ones being dekulakized. [23:52]
trinque yeah I suppose not [23:53]
mircea_popescu pff. [23:54]
asciilifeform i can already see mircea_popescu telling me, that these ain't mansions unless the stones are at least 1001 years old and were put on with druid blood [23:55]
mircea_popescu i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable. [23:55]
mircea_popescu you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite. [23:56]
asciilifeform eh that's where i see anybody who doesn't commute to an office as elite [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42050 @ 0.00076032 = 31.9715 BTC [+] {4} [23:57]
mircea_popescu the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art". [23:57]
asciilifeform let's have the earlier bit though - what is a mansion really ? [23:57]
asciilifeform i say, a rich fella's house, built to european standards [23:58]
mircea_popescu i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc. [23:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure it is. it is called 'grandfathered in' [23:58]
mircea_popescu if it were possible to have one i'd consider getting one. [23:58]
asciilifeform i.e. exempt from all reg [23:58]
mircea_popescu this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews. [23:58]
asciilifeform -- never for rent, to anyone, and never subject to inspections, etc [23:58]
mircea_popescu whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only. [23:59]
asciilifeform what's a jew but solid smoke [23:59]
asciilifeform i'll be the first to admit. [23:59]
BingoBoingo http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/morning-news/what-is-going-on-inside-pensmore-castle << Mansion or not? [23:59]
assbot What is Going on Inside Pensmore Castle? - Story | Southwest Missouri - Springfield, Branson, Ozarks | OzarksFirst | KOLR 10 and KOZL Z27 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx58WR ) [23:59]
asciilifeform hell, i expect proper honest gasenwagen to make a comeback. [23:59]
asciilifeform some 'past only' l0l. [23:59]
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