Forum logs for 18 Sep 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278234 << Hell | [00:02] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 02:56:26; cazalla: so where is the dating site that removes fat shaming body type descriptions in place of all women are beautiful regardless of size | [00:02] |
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cazalla | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-artist-kuno-goda-migrates-ethereum-1520072 | [00:55] |
assbot | Bitcoin artist Kuno Goda migrates to Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQV1EE ) | [00:56] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all | [00:56] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.66, vol: 16623.89896827 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.966, vol: 7341.19419 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.86, vol: 11929.06108828 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 242.8, vol: 5.94194598 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.229364, vol: 15965.46670000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.94841, vol: 46.38149774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.68482, vol: 115.92835111 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) | [00:56] |
BingoBoingo | ;;more | [00:56] |
gribble | average: 233.951996369 | [00:56] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Wait, screen prints of Game of Life creatures are marketable? | [00:57] |
cazalla | apparently so | [00:57] |
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BingoBoingo | Fuck I was on the wrong path doing oild painting of Kim Jung Il on a train getting slaughtered by a heart | [01:01] |
pete_dushenski | https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences! | [01:01] |
assbot | | Times Higher Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiyTL9 ) | [01:01] |
pete_dushenski | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278231 << or dating site called 'meatit' | [01:02] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go. | [01:02] |
pete_dushenski | http://41.media.tumblr.com/d99fe775590fab0566e409f30ceb13f7/tumblr_nt7hopAYVY1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg << moar rights plox | [01:03] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiz7Cc ) | [01:03] |
pete_dushenski | https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11057795_10153322953343375_2884236966562120575_o.png << taleb on gmo. fact vs. fiction. a list. | [01:04] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcG1 ) | [01:04] |
cazalla | pete_dushenski, tis a fake http://i.imgur.com/EqOzRGy.jpg or maybe original? or maybe not! | [01:04] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OizcWu ) | [01:04] |
pete_dushenski | yours is fake | [01:04] |
pete_dushenski | fakest | [01:04] |
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pete_dushenski | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278126 << very nicely done | [01:07] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet | [01:07] |
cazalla | prob both are | [01:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3} | [01:07] |
pete_dushenski | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278196 << doesn't look like this'll pay out quite as richly, but then again, what could ? | [01:08] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 02:20:55; BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4 | [01:08] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time | [01:09] |
pete_dushenski | yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day | [01:10] |
pete_dushenski | wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds | [01:10] |
pete_dushenski | eg. more mac mini nodes | [01:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2} | [01:12] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced | [01:18] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies | [01:19] |
BingoBoingo | Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2} | [01:23] |
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pete_dushenski | haha maybe an m156 wedges its way in there | [01:30] |
pete_dushenski | http://ca.complex.com/sports/2013/12/mercedes-m156-v8-eulogy << written by kid whose writing career i launched | [01:31] |
assbot | A Eulogy for One of the Best V8s of All Time, the Mercedes-Benz M156 | Complex CA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iltfKR ) | [01:31] |
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pete_dushenski | ;;ticker | [01:32] |
gribble | Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.34, Best ask: 234.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 234.45, 24 hour volume: 11789.83147797, 24 hour low: 229.04, 24 hour high: 236.26, 24 hour vwap: None | [01:33] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes | [01:44] |
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pete_dushenski | the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday | [01:46] |
pete_dushenski | there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups | [01:47] |
pete_dushenski | and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski' | [01:47] |
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BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline | [01:48] |
pete_dushenski | one in usual spot, one in 'frunk' ? | [01:48] |
BingoBoingo | Of course | [01:49] |
pete_dushenski | lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass | [01:49] |
BingoBoingo | If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother | [01:50] |
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pete_dushenski | i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing | [01:50] |
BingoBoingo | And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR | [01:51] |
pete_dushenski | nah, i think this is a personal exception | [01:51] |
BingoBoingo | Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins | [01:52] |
pete_dushenski | there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe | [01:52] |
cazalla | this is the best car fwiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqohbacK2aU | [01:52] |
assbot | VW Passat, 360 grieziens, 4X4 passat double. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MujRlo ) | [01:52] |
pete_dushenski | Ehrnart/Goldsteins << nascar drivers ? or owners ? | [01:52] |
pete_dushenski | cazalla: lol! | [01:53] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Father/Son drivers. | [01:53] |
BingoBoingo | nice cazalla | [01:53] |
pete_dushenski | BingoBoingo: both still active ? | [01:54] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago. | [01:54] |
pete_dushenski | oh EARNHARDT !! fuck i didn't know they were jooz | [01:57] |
BingoBoingo | Seems like a JEwey name | [01:57] |
BingoBoingo | Like Koufax | [01:58] |
pete_dushenski | hm. not quite enough to go on there. | [01:59] |
pete_dushenski | there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy. | [01:59] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe | [02:00] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, spotted a dupa http://i.imgur.com/xs29Qrt.jpg | [02:00] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1MukxHu ) | [02:00] |
BingoBoingo | Seriously | [02:00] |
BingoBoingo | See cazalla, Mayo Gendered | [02:00] |
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BingoBoingo | !up contrapumpkin | [02:04] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278246 << this ~has~ to be some kind of disinfo. it seems impossible, like hearing about a demolished skyscraper un-exploding, an egg un-breaking and picking itself up from the kitchen floor and sliding back into the chicken | [02:06] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 03:59:20; pete_dushenski: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree << goooOooo social sciences! | [02:06] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can. | [02:07] |
pete_dushenski | asciilifeform: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/08/23/commentary/japan-commentary/humanities-attack/#.VfjlirRLfkr | [02:07] |
assbot | Humanities under attack | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mul9wA ) | [02:07] |
pete_dushenski | BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute | [02:09] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles | [02:10] |
BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool | [02:12] |
BingoBoingo | Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction | [02:25] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075074 = 5.2176 BTC [-] | [02:27] |
BingoBoingo | What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92 | [02:35] |
pete_dushenski | https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/644542458735525888/photo/1 | [02:43] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother | [02:44] |
BingoBoingo | Jeb http://thecodelesscode.com/case/199 | [02:45] |
assbot | The Codeless Code: | [02:45] |
BingoBoingo | George http://thecodelesscode.com/case/201?name=Wangohan | [02:49] |
assbot | The Codeless Code: | [02:49] |
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pete_dushenski | http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/09/17/detroit-neighborhood-plea-want-squatters/32558019/ | [02:52] |
assbot | Detroit neighborhood plea: ‘We want squatters’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBvshU ) | [02:52] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco. | [02:53] |
BingoBoingo | "Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester | [02:56] |
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pete_dushenski | we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar... | [03:02] |
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mircea_popescu | "Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government." | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | fixed for truth. | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | ok that nina paley chick is pretty cool/ | [03:14] |
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mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! | [03:27] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g ) | [03:27] |
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assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZc66g ) | [03:38] |
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* | BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords. | [03:44] |
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BingoBoingo | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182005 << Stockolm Syndrome | [03:49] |
assbot | Follow the Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZep9e ) | [03:49] |
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mircea_popescu | http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible. | [03:52] |
assbot | dpaste: 046VT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZeLN9 ) | [03:53] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo | [03:55] |
cazalla | thought the episode was preddy average tbh | [03:55] |
BingoBoingo | eh, reading the SA story | [03:55] |
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mircea_popescu | i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed. | [03:57] |
mircea_popescu | 2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome. | [03:57] |
BingoBoingo | Seriously | [03:59] |
BingoBoingo | We, be dragons just burning the poor, | [04:01] |
cazalla | white suit, beard, this HAS to be a mircea_popescu class room! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7b_1442078659 | [04:02] |
assbot | LiveLeak.com - Teacher showing his anger on his innocent students. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUX0zd ) | [04:02] |
BingoBoingo | Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs | [04:02] |
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BingoBoingo | Also, did anyone else have a clue that Gawker Media had a food writer who published recipies and shit? https://archive.is/NvQc2 | [04:10] |
assbot | Dissolve The United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgiTr ) | [04:10] |
BingoBoingo | "Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind." | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | so she is voting for mp this election ? write-in ? | [04:15] |
cazalla | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482 | [04:15] |
assbot | Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgNwE ) | [04:15] |
BingoBoingo | He is apparently voting for MP | [04:16] |
cazalla | i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas | [04:16] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition | [04:16] |
BingoBoingo | Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs | [04:17] |
cazalla | i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ? | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | herp. | [04:18] |
BingoBoingo | Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it. | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | easily 1k of 'em. | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | "americanbanker.com" ? "journalbiz.blabla" ? mmmkay. | [04:21] |
BingoBoingo | Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth. | [04:22] |
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mircea_popescu | https://archive.is/Rfi7E#selection-9597.3-9597.92 << all that eager hope. and then... nothing happened. and then... | [04:28] |
assbot | Bitcoin is still funny and the xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZi72C ) | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | more hope. | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people. | [04:29] |
* | BingoBoingo still waits for citadels | [04:30] |
cazalla | that place was so cool back in the day | [04:31] |
cazalla | jeff k and all that | [04:32] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, here are the citadels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA | [04:32] |
assbot | 2084 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZinPi ) | [04:32] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Youtube is broken | [04:32] |
BingoBoingo | Brb | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << historically, tx fee bumps and price bumps correlate | [04:43] |
assbot | Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3DFO ) | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | for some ungodly reason. | [04:43] |
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mircea_popescu | good morning cultists! | [17:37] |
mats | i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions | [17:39] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [17:39] |
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ascii_field | oh mats, you're in for such a treat! | [17:39] |
ascii_field | wait till you do rsa padding ! | [17:39] |
mats | and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job | [17:40] |
ascii_field | (e.g., rfc 2437) | [17:40] |
ascii_field | btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo. | [17:40] |
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mircea_popescu | mats well the exercise is useful anyway. | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field makes two of us. | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded. | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | so consequently... they must be. | [17:41] |
ascii_field | it was discussed. half-heartedly. | [17:42] |
ascii_field | but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why) | [17:42] |
ascii_field | *prizes | [17:42] |
ascii_field | iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes | [17:44] |
punkman | mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www? | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | shitting. | [17:48] |
ascii_field | the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload' | [17:50] |
ascii_field | the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | mmm | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem. | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate". | [17:53] |
ascii_field | no shit | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits. | [17:54] |
ascii_field | if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk | [17:54] |
ascii_field | *rng bits are | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | rng bits are always key bits. | [17:54] |
ascii_field | only when you stuff'em in a key | [17:54] |
ascii_field | otherwise they're just bits. | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng". | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | that's what it is . | [17:54] |
ascii_field | if your rng is worth half a pence | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate. | [17:55] |
ascii_field | obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | they're not "just bits". | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | no, matter of principle. | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD. | [17:55] |
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mircea_popescu | am i making any sense or sohuld i restate ? | [17:56] |
mats | punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right? | [17:56] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: restate | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting. | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand" | [17:59] |
ascii_field | it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards | [17:59] |
ascii_field | (peeking vs deck-stacking) | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either | [18:00] |
ascii_field | what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng. | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | but you never will have a rng in that sense. | [18:01] |
ascii_field | and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | it is a fucking numeric machine ffs. | [18:01] |
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mircea_popescu | so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed. | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard) | [18:03] |
ascii_field | no shit | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [18:03] |
ascii_field | presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key. | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward. | [18:03] |
ascii_field | (and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it) | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | !up TheButterZone | [18:04] |
-assbot- | You voiced TheButterZone for 30 minutes. | [18:04] |
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TheButterZone | so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman | [18:04] |
TheButterZone | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184037.0 | [18:04] |
assbot | TradeFortress tied to Hashie.co exit scam ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMElo9 ) | [18:05] |
mats | punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | how'd you know that ? | [18:06] |
TheButterZone | know what | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it. | [18:07] |
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kakobrekla | you cant bring your own food here. | [18:08] |
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kakobrekla | ouch. | [18:09] |
mircea_popescu | assbot dispenses food ? | [18:09] |
assbot | if you ask nicely | [18:10] |
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mircea_popescu | honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot. | [18:10] |
mircea_popescu | !up ascii_field | [18:10] |
-assbot- | You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. | [18:10] |
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assbot | you get what you pay for! | [18:10] |
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BingoBoingo | !b 5 | [18:11] |
assbot | Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3GRYDWS.txt ) | [18:11] |
jurov | !feed | [18:11] |
assbot | poop | [18:11] |
BingoBoingo | lol | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58525 << damned zeke party pooper ruining qntra agenda pushing! | [18:11] |
assbot | "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMFpZ0 ) | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail. | [18:11] |
TheButterZone | unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co | [18:14] |
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mircea_popescu | aha! | [18:15] |
BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2015/09/y-combinator-too-generic-to-trademark/#comment-58636 | [18:15] |
assbot | "Y Combinator" Too Generic To Trademark | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkeUvJ ) | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | danke TheButterZone :) | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel. | [18:16] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 10:19:12; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833 | [18:16] |
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mircea_popescu | As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ? | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | why am i not surprised. | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers" | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!) | [18:22] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us. | [18:22] |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle... | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278440 << i actually tried it. spiffy gfx, checkers. | [18:32] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone' | [18:32] |
cazalla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc | [18:33] |
assbot | Logged on 17-09-2015 01:40:50; asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278455 << epic. | [18:33] |
assbot | Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock… and Ourselves. | Tech Voice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okhq5h ) | [18:33] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 14:02:13; assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp ) | [18:33] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00076858 = 38.1216 BTC [+] {3} | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278463 << i have nfi. | [18:36] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating | [18:36] |
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mircea_popescu | funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ? | [18:37] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life. | [18:38] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value | [18:38] |
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mircea_popescu | https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it. | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski :to @noahpinion ? << whossat ? | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like. | [18:44] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it? | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else. | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick. | [18:48] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278513 << bwhahahaah. | [18:49] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 14:48:56; assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM ) | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth! | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | you know, exactly what usg does EVERY DAY | [18:49] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.improbable.com/ig/2009/images/Ketterle-Bodnar-Pamuk-Krugman-400pix.gif <<< ahahaah the bra/facemask | [18:52] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkjVUZ ) | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood. | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014 | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | this isn't bad. | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | MATHEMATICS PRIZE — Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children. | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs. | [18:54] |
deedbot- | [Qntra] US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency - http://qntra.net/2015/09/us-increases-fee-to-relinquish-citizenship-and-residency/ | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | to no-ones surprise. | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | and they riot because they don't want it . | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins. | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | more like 10 actually. | [18:59] |
mircea_popescu | next one will probably be 10k ish. | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.imgur.com/taxG5ec.png << ahahaha win. | [19:01] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ioPj ) | [19:01] |
mod6 | haha | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | le factor, which also limits to infinity. | [19:03] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 16:14:06; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences. | [19:03] |
cazalla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278891 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/18/emily-blunt-apologises-for-poking-fun-at-her-american-citizenship | [19:05] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens | [19:05] |
assbot | Emily Blunt apologises for poking fun at her American citizenship | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OklHp8 ) | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.) | [19:05] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278582 << this happens to be how provability works too! | [19:07] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity. | [19:07] |
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punkman | mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc | [19:17] |
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punkman | (just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there) | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable. | [19:20] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278592 << i am unpersuaded by this proposition. | [19:22] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation | [19:22] |
mircea_popescu | program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate. | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back". | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points. | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use. | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x. | [19:25] |
deedbot- | [BitBet Bets Bets] 6.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b10 | [19:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00076877 = 27.4835 BTC [+] {5} | [19:32] |
deedbot- | [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/ | [19:33] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc. | [19:36] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this. | [19:36] |
assbot | Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure. | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless. | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense. | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men. | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time. | [19:38] |
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mircea_popescu | (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.) | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore. | [19:46] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good. | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278621 << i wouldn't be too worried about that. | [19:47] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | the reverse'd be more worrying. | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | but that aside, honest discussion is not troublesome. | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else. | [19:54] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: |
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mircea_popescu | meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does. | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE. | [19:54] |
BingoBoingo | Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks | [19:56] |
BingoBoingo | In other news http://thevalleyreport.com/2015/09/05/overweight-man-mistaken-for-woman-ticketed-for-exposing-breasts-at-beach/ | [19:57] |
assbot | Overweight man, mistaken for woman, ticketed for exposing breasts at beach | The Valley Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1iooxfx ) | [19:57] |
BingoBoingo | Puritans | [19:57] |
punkman | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg? | [20:00] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP? | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | jpeg is actually specifiable. that it hasn't been... | [20:00] |
punkman | in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/ | [20:02] |
assbot | Occupy Babel! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIyuu ) | [20:02] |
punkman | https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel | [20:03] |
assbot | mongrel2/http11_parser.rl at master · mongrel2/mongrel2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIIFX2 ) | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved." | [20:06] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome. | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday. | [20:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00076927 = 12.693 BTC [+] {3} | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence. | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off. | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant. | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). | [20:11] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu. | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine. | [20:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00076768 = 20.5738 BTC [-] | [20:13] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go | [20:15] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet. | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277920 | [20:15] |
assbot | Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?" | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested. | [20:17] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research | [20:17] |
btcdrak | *sigh* https://forum.bitcoin.com/ | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control. | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | all this within the past... month ? | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach. | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | lol rogerver and bitcoinceo ? | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | must suck. | [20:20] |
cazalla | btcdrak, what is so sigh? | [20:22] |
cazalla | if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves | [20:23] |
btcdrak | as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people. | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation. | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | uh i mean cazalla | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand. | [20:24] |
btcdrak | ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014... | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well. | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | btcdrak what makes you think that ? | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278693 << which is why he wasn;t asking you, i bet :D | [20:27] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these. | [20:27] |
cazalla | a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset | [20:27] |
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mircea_popescu | those people are idiots. | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner. | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize. | [20:28] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278860 << took maybe 5 seconds of looking at it, for me | [20:29] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger. | [20:29] |
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cazalla | asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay | [20:29] |
asciilifeform | cazalla: i sorta assumed it was his folks' | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.) | [20:30] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke | [20:31] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins. | [20:31] |
asciilifeform | why would it? | [20:31] |
asciilifeform | which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817452 | [20:31] |
assbot | Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you. | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible. | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~. | [20:32] |
asciilifeform | usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.' | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | so ? | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | since when did "human life" become your highest value ? | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to. | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | it doesn't. | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | 'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later' | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | [insert old thread here to save time] | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | always take the later. | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | that's how you end up with a son. ask cazalla . | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough. | [20:34] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternatin | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278709 << that's ok, when it goes below indiancandy i'll say something. | [20:34] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping. | [20:34] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me | [20:35] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit. | [20:36] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc | [20:36] |
asciilifeform | the more i work with this thing, the less i like it. | [20:36] |
punkman | all roads lead to rewriting gpg | [20:36] |
asciilifeform | and the fewer bits i see as salvageable. | [20:36] |
asciilifeform | punkman: not merely rewriting. | [20:36] |
asciilifeform | reinventing. | [20:36] |
punkman | yeah that | [20:37] |
asciilifeform | as in 'v' re: versionatronics. | [20:37] |
Naphex | https://xotika.tv/#/channel17/RoyalTiffany 2 girls 1 channel :) | [20:37] |
assbot | XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1dSZG ) | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people. | [20:42] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i. | [20:42] |
assbot | Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue | [20:42] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278958 << bestest ever summary. | [20:42] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence. | [20:42] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278962 << linked in the thread, even | [20:43] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog). | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | yeah got to it eventuyaly. | [20:43] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark' | [20:43] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant. | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | that is pointedly no sort of solution | [20:44] |
asciilifeform | i didn't say there ~was~ answer... | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical. | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark. | [20:45] |
asciilifeform | think of the analogy to vegetarianism in re: their pursuit of synthetic meat. | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [20:45] |
asciilifeform | at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal. | [20:47] |
asciilifeform | not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere. | [20:47] |
asciilifeform | l0l | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune. | [20:47] |
* | asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food' | [20:48] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain. | [20:49] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine. | [20:49] |
asciilifeform | this gets heavy, quickly. | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | it does, but still, is a tiny niche. | [20:49] |
asciilifeform | my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady | [20:57] |
asciilifeform | for instance, i've been surveying implementations of standard ml | [20:58] |
asciilifeform | the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly, | [20:58] |
asciilifeform | moscow ml. | [20:58] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2950 | [20:58] |
assbot | JL: The Mighty Duck ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fMcU ) | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278740 <<< AHAHAHA EXAM TAKERS!!! o lordy. | [20:59] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards. | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in. | [20:59] |
asciilifeform | (what's moscow ml? this - http://www.itu.dk/~sestoft/mosml.html ) | [20:59] |
assbot | Moscow ML Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1fS49 ) | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | this is how you ruin industry. | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | by forcing smart people to do stupid things. | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway. | [21:00] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless. | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem. | [21:01] |
asciilifeform | know what else they didn't have to deal with ? | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement, | [21:01] |
BingoBoingo | Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno. | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | just... somehow it's been lost. | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what ? | [21:02] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: somebody, it appears, stayed awake in freshman physics, and understood that if you revv up the supercharger quickly enough, gas cannot escape at the rate it is generated | [21:02] |
asciilifeform | and you get a kind of temporary storage tank | [21:02] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i was gonna say 'doing retarded things to stay in food and roof' but then remembered newton's mint | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | iirc he enjoyed that | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | (it was intended as a sinecure - he chose to make it a job.) | [21:03] |
asciilifeform | then my original stands. | [21:03] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving. | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | well, in the case of the ones you heard of, anyway, | [21:03] |
asciilifeform | they didn't have to do bizarre circus acrobatics to stay fed. | [21:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00076768 = 15.3536 BTC [-] | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | newton's aunt, einstein'swife and mozart's sister were not as fortunate | [21:04] |
asciilifeform | mozart's sister, iirc, was a very passable player but never composed. | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | and shakespeare's mom. | [21:05] |
* | asciilifeform is one of those weirdos who skates precisely on the bleeding red edge that separates being able to do your thing, in the above sense, from not. | [21:06] |
asciilifeform | could end up on the other side of it any minute, any day, just like that. | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | for all you know you wander back and forth daily. | [21:07] |
* | mircea_popescu usually does. | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | weekly. | [21:07] |
shinohai | https://bitcoinxt.software/onboard.html | [21:07] |
assbot | Who's Onboard - Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrxtqJ ) | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | pet appears. | [21:08] |
* | asciilifeform bbl | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9jcDwY-MM | [21:08] |
assbot | Garbage - Garbage (1995) - Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Krxuv3 ) | [21:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00076936 = 16.3104 BTC [+] | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | http://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/17/5 << now do it with nano. | [21:10] |
assbot | oss-security - s/party/hack like it's 1999 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlopH0 ) | [21:10] |
* | mircea_popescu has never used cat. | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | and his less is unaliased also. fancy that. | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278749 << the former's prolly right but i still don't see how the latter flows from it. except for some people, i guess. | [21:13] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer | [21:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36403 @ 0.00076335 = 27.7882 BTC [-] {3} | [21:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34309 @ 0.00075765 = 25.9942 BTC [-] {3} | [21:28] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00074994 = 65.9572 BTC [-] {3} | [21:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00074987 = 7.8736 BTC [-] {3} | [21:44] |
deedbot- | [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00220883 BTC on 'Yes' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b3 | [21:46] |
BingoBoingo | I've stopped trying to make any sense of fucking silver prices | [21:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0007533 = 2.4482 BTC [+] | [21:51] |
kakobrekla | how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it | [21:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074961 = 28.3353 BTC [-] | [21:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40495 @ 0.00074874 = 30.3202 BTC [-] {4} | [22:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00074807 = 24.9107 BTC [-] {3} | [22:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7739 @ 0.0007533 = 5.8298 BTC [+] | [22:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.0007533 = 20.3391 BTC [+] | [22:33] |
phf | asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler. | [22:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.0007533 = 25.0472 BTC [+] | [22:39] |
phf | (i was driving between places in turkey, so no internet access) | [22:40] |
deedbot- | [Qntra] Trump Campaign Payment Processor Fleeces Donors - http://qntra.net/2015/09/trump-campaign-payment-processor-fleeces-donors/ | [22:44] |
BingoBoingo | ^ trinque | [22:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78763 @ 0.00074798 = 58.9131 BTC [-] {3} | [22:45] |
cazalla | i read something before how trump was all mafia'd up back in his new york days and fucked over lots of people, nfi to veracity | [22:50] |
trinque | heh | [22:50] |
phf | asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc | [22:52] |
trinque | BingoBoingo: oh btw "regulatory butt thunder" had me in stitches | [22:53] |
trinque | ah that was hdbuck | [22:53] |
trinque | in either case, epic lolz | [22:53] |
BingoBoingo | trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course | [22:57] |
trinque | see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title | [22:59] |
BingoBoingo | Note to potential Qntra submitters: If you want to submit a story you think is interesting, but don't think you know how to amp it up... the editors can help with that | [22:59] |
* | EPiSKiNG- is now known as EPiSKiNG | [22:59] |
* | EPiSKiNG is now known as EPiSKiNG- | [22:59] |
BingoBoingo | Second Note to potential Qntra submitters: Stuff doesn't have to necessarily be "amped up" to appear on Qntra | [23:01] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/150293976/nick-diaz-suspension-marijuana-ufc-nac-wada | [23:08] |
assbot | Diaz's suspension calls marijuana policy into question. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Knrq7L ) | [23:08] |
* | williamdunne has quit (Quit: williamdunne) | [23:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0007533 = 14.388 BTC [+] | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned | [23:19] |
asciilifeform | phf: if you compile standalone that is | [23:19] |
asciilifeform | (vs bytecode) | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | [23:21] | |
asciilifeform | l0l | [23:21] |
asciilifeform | 'Foreign financial institutions require ex-US individuals to show them a CLN (or provide a "reasonable explanation" of why they do not have one) to comply with the exchange of information provisions of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the various intergovernmental agreements the US has signed with foreign jurisdictions.' << ahahahahaha l0l!! pay $3k to get the privilege of using this other set of usg banks in | [23:22] |
asciilifeform | stead of the usual set of usg banks. | [23:22] |
asciilifeform | what a deal. | [23:22] |
cazalla | mmm smell of burning mesquite.. gunna have to watch for black people jumping my back fence trying to steal muh chicken wings | [23:22] |
BingoBoingo | lol | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise. | [23:24] |
cazalla | 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | iirc usg helpfully gives'em lists. | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | of its serfs | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | lits of what. | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | containing what, social security ids ? | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | 'mr x is our serf, do business with him like-so or we steal anything you put in usa' | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | "mr x". | [23:25] |
asciilifeform | fuck if i know of what. fingerprints, perhaps, or stool samples, or what. | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | i haven't heard of a fingerprints-bank as of yet. | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note. | [23:26] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: this was a piece linked from qntra, regarding american 'certificate of loss of nationality' | [23:26] |
asciilifeform | i.e. emancipation papers | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | (which is a monstruous sort of bond/cfd) | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | a a | [23:27] |
BingoBoingo | [23:27] | |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test | [23:28] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: No, this was fight day, pissed in three different cups | [23:28] |
cazalla | a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november | [23:29] |
BingoBoingo | Ah | [23:30] |
BingoBoingo | Just another day in the ghetto https://archive.is/W3PJg | [23:31] |
assbot | Police suspend search for bull last seen loose in East St. Louis | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnuGjq ) | [23:31] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278922 << woah. harsh. | [23:42] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 22:30:57; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/ | [23:42] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278941 << this is the EXACT same basic thing as debeaking (ask a poultry farmer) | [23:44] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does. | [23:44] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278943 << when i say mansions, i speak of actual mansions. we have'em here on the east coast. | [23:45] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks | [23:45] |
BingoBoingo | By the highway? | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | i am specifically ~not~ speaking of cardboard boxes with aluminum planks. | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | not by the highway. | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | by the narrow street that one would never see but for the gps machine. | [23:46] |
BingoBoingo | ah, then why are you driving by them? Do they have carp to steal? | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | see above. | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278950 << notbad.jpg | [23:47] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 22:59:56; punkman: in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/ | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ? | [23:48] |
assbot | Logged on 18-09-2015 23:00:59; punkman: https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | because i don't see the improvement. | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | elephantine piece of shit. | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | one, and the other. | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | and the horse it rode in on (c) | [23:49] |
trinque | can confirm that there's plenty of old money on the east coast | [23:50] |
trinque | though hell, don't they have the good sense to evacuate by now? | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | evacuate where? | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | to where ? | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | and, more importantly, why ? | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | ~they~ are not the ones being dekulakized. | [23:52] |
trinque | yeah I suppose not | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | pff. | [23:54] |
asciilifeform | i can already see mircea_popescu telling me, that these ain't mansions unless the stones are at least 1001 years old and were put on with druid blood | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable. | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite. | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | eh that's where i see anybody who doesn't commute to an office as elite | [23:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42050 @ 0.00076032 = 31.9715 BTC [+] {4} | [23:57] |
mircea_popescu | the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art". | [23:57] |
asciilifeform | let's have the earlier bit though - what is a mansion really ? | [23:57] |
asciilifeform | i say, a rich fella's house, built to european standards | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc. | [23:58] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: sure it is. it is called 'grandfathered in' | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | if it were possible to have one i'd consider getting one. | [23:58] |
asciilifeform | i.e. exempt from all reg | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews. | [23:58] |
asciilifeform | -- never for rent, to anyone, and never subject to inspections, etc | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only. | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | what's a jew but solid smoke | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | i'll be the first to admit. | [23:59] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/morning-news/what-is-going-on-inside-pensmore-castle << Mansion or not? | [23:59] |
assbot | What is Going on Inside Pensmore Castle? - Story | Southwest Missouri - Springfield, Branson, Ozarks | OzarksFirst | KOLR 10 and KOZL Z27 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx58WR ) | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | hell, i expect proper honest gasenwagen to make a comeback. | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | some 'past only' l0l. | [23:59] |
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