Forum logs for 19 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu i meant more like "this no longer happens but it continues to happen for me only". it's nonsense. [00:00]
trinque BingoBoingo: I was going to say, one measure might be whether the cops are going to need something more than a boot to enter [00:00]
mircea_popescu seems the basic definition of mansion includes "off limits to police" [00:00]
asciilifeform if this, then they certainly qualify in practice ! [00:01]
mircea_popescu anmd you knoiw this how ? [00:01]
mircea_popescu also gps ? [00:01]
trinque also, "can house all the help" which of course implies on-site help [00:01]
* asciilifeform never lived in a mansion, but has lived in streets where the police show up every day, and ones where didn't see a single one in a decade of staring out window [00:02]
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asciilifeform this, i suppose, counts for nothing, because 'view from gps'. [00:02]
asciilifeform whatever. [00:02]
mircea_popescu so you lived in teh mansion ? [00:03]
asciilifeform whereas to me, 'corzine is not getting anally dilated in prison' =~= 'there are mansions, and they are off limits to police' [00:03]
mircea_popescu nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare. [00:04]
mircea_popescu who the fuck do you think actually wants to fuck you. [00:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i lived in suburbia. which is pointedly not the same thing, the mechanism whereby the police are kept distant is entirely different (obedience) [00:04]
mircea_popescu so then if you yourself don't accept the thing you propose as proof, as proof, what do you want from me! [00:04]
asciilifeform sorta more like the warm zone at auschwitz [00:04]
mircea_popescu what whatever ? no whatever, tu quoque. [00:04]
asciilifeform nah, the ~real~ mansions are where corzines, SES plum book, etc. live. [00:05]
mircea_popescu or so you posit. because "x gotta exist, and y is the more likely to succeed". [00:05]
asciilifeform the $maxint folks who never see the inside of a courtroom except as plaintiffs [00:05]
mircea_popescu the breaking news being that no, x doesn't exist. all soviets live like animals. [00:05]
mircea_popescu that's the fucking point of soviet life. [00:05]
asciilifeform i saw 'guccifer''s photos of aria rockefeller's house. [00:05]
asciilifeform what was soviet about it? [00:06]
mircea_popescu and this is what i meant earlier re "revolutionary term of art". there's this notion that members of the proletariat fight each other over imaginary class distinctions instead of uniting. [00:06]
asciilifeform and bush's, too [00:06]
mircea_popescu same idea here. you think X has it ? no usian has it. [00:06]
mircea_popescu obama's life is shit, in kenyan terms. [00:06]
mircea_popescu fucking us president, still lives worse than his grandfather, [00:06]
asciilifeform for my education, demonstrate how bush doesn't 'have it' [00:06]
asciilifeform and what 'it' is [00:06]
mircea_popescu you get to say what "it" is. [00:06]
mircea_popescu and you keep not wanting to. [00:07]
asciilifeform but my 'it' doesn't work. because it is the answer of the shipwrecked sailor re: what is best in life - 'food! water!' [00:07]
mircea_popescu i guess. [00:07]
asciilifeform pig: 'as much slop as will ever fit in me!' [00:08]
asciilifeform see the old mircea_popescu article re: teenagers and sex [00:08]
asciilifeform the only solid hypothesis i can make re: bush et al is that they know what 'it' is, having scratched all other conceivable itches. [00:09]
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mircea_popescu let's start with a simple thing. if x owns a mansion, and x owns a wife, and x beats the shit out of his wife and throws her into the street naked to henceforth fend for herself, [00:09]
trinque asciilifeform: I think Bushes and everyone like them are entirely trapped [00:09]
mircea_popescu there is at no point any fucking question of a) being required to take her back in or b) being required to give up the mansion. [00:09]
mircea_popescu this, imo, is sufficient definition. [00:09]
trinque how many decisions do they make on their own per day? what's the ratio? [00:09]
mircea_popescu and also ends the question of "mansion in the us". [00:09]
* asciilifeform finally grasps what mircea_popescu was getting at. [00:10]
mircea_popescu yes, they can have hovels of all sizes. [00:10]
asciilifeform this is true, no one in usa is ghaddafi. [00:10]
asciilifeform it doesn't work. [00:10]
asciilifeform any more than on the moon. [00:10]
mircea_popescu that a 1789 nigger may be allowed to build himself a log cabin the size of the washington momunent [00:10]
mircea_popescu doth not make the exceptionally large log cabin a "town house". [00:10]
mircea_popescu first off, because there's no town. [00:11]
mircea_popescu even if the house itself may be the size of a contemporary town. [00:11]
asciilifeform aaand because it isn't a house if there is shitting on the floor happening. [00:11]
asciilifeform yes. [00:11]
mircea_popescu so there you go. [00:11]
mircea_popescu but this is me, and i don't live there. [00:11]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, tons of mansions throughout the world. from romania to sudan and from albania to pakistan. [00:12]
mircea_popescu many of them smaller than whatever you currently occupy. [00:12]
mircea_popescu and noisier. and whatever-er. [00:12]
asciilifeform this is really more a mansion in one's mind. [00:13]
asciilifeform bush would not gain it by moving to pakistan. [00:13]
mircea_popescu yeah, the jews resisting the flames through culture all went to the castle in the mind. [00:13]
mircea_popescu good for 'em. [00:13]
mircea_popescu and of fucking course bush would not gain it, whatever the fuck he does. [00:13]
mircea_popescu part of parcel of why actual people do not wish to live in the land of the dumb. [00:14]
trinque I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people. [00:15]
asciilifeform trinque: in what sense not ? [00:15]
mircea_popescu trinque the day the retired head of the spyhouse is excruciated in public over ANY THING you know the place's dead. [00:15]
mircea_popescu why the fuck did they not do that to hoover, if they were that brave ? [00:15]
asciilifeform why did beria's bullet have to wait for a dead stalin ? [00:16]
* mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see how that'd have went. three different presidents wanted to sack the schmuck but gave up because "political cost too great". ie, mansion. [00:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform because soviets lived like animals. [00:16]
mircea_popescu no mansions. [00:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now this, yes [00:16]
mircea_popescu same thing, just, too close to notice. [00:17]
mircea_popescu and for that matter notice that stalin also didn't move against beria [00:17]
mircea_popescu not that he didn't want to. but, old men are cowardly, regardless of what they were in their youth. [00:18]
trinque asciilifeform: in the sense that they live lives of the strictest obedience both to some unspoken social idea of being politically "presentable" and literally to everyone involved in elevating them to what they are [00:18]
asciilifeform incidentally, usg imploded libya by vaguely promising 'mansions' - 'your crown-owned official mercedes will become yours! as will your crown-issued chicks!' etc [00:18]
mircea_popescu which is why old men make good senators and horrible dictators. [00:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it worked, too. the us managed to get yet another ally for isis, at the cost of destructuring its mideastern holds. [00:18]
mircea_popescu they lost the saudis the day gadaffi fell. [00:18]
asciilifeform trinque: it melts my brain that someone with actual hold of, say, $100M u.s., wouldn't just pack off to timisoara or buenos aires [00:18]
trinque asciilifeform: that just isn't done [00:19]
mircea_popescu now the russians have the pincer on and there's exactly nothing the us can do to rebalance. [00:19]
asciilifeform fuck 'presentable'. [00:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is their ideas of self worth are not accepted either place. [00:19]
mircea_popescu they have exactly your problem, "do not wish to compete with younger men" [00:19]
asciilifeform who needs 'idea of self worth' when you have $maxint. [00:19]
mircea_popescu all their meatwot is not there. [00:19]
mircea_popescu hahaha. [00:20]
mircea_popescu mmmkay. [00:20]
asciilifeform i only need it to eat. [00:20]
asciilifeform the meatwot. [00:20]
mircea_popescu didn't you just say you don't like yest ? [00:20]
asciilifeform plugged into the mains, so to speak. [00:20]
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asciilifeform but some folks have reactor! [00:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-09-2015#1276886 [00:20]
asciilifeform why ~they~ don't run off, is beyond me. [00:20]
assbot Logged on 16-09-2015 20:49:44; ascii_field: i can afford plane ticket. [00:20]
mircea_popescu yaya, why OTHERS don't do shit is beyond you. [00:20]
asciilifeform aha. ticket. [00:20]
asciilifeform but not food, rent for rest of life! [00:20]
asciilifeform elementary. [00:20]
mircea_popescu lol [00:20]
mircea_popescu eh getouttahere. [00:21]
* mircea_popescu finds this somewhat puzzling, he has no problem competing with other men of any age. had no problem at 16 sitting 50yos on their ass, has no problem at 36 sitting 16 26 or w/e idem. i've yet to hear this magical "i'd rather go with him, he's younger" thing even. [00:22]
mircea_popescu consequently, /me suspects that this is more an artefact of incompetence and fear than actual nature. [00:22]
asciilifeform very easy when you aren't walking the line of starvation. [00:22]
mircea_popescu what THE FUCK is younger man gonna do, blow in it ? [00:23]
asciilifeform and yes, incompetence. i do not have the competences of mircea_popescu, this is not a seekrit. [00:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what starvation. are you proposing i'm BUYING my shit ? [00:23]
mircea_popescu how the fuck would that go. [00:23]
asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu operates profitable businesses, etc. [00:23]
asciilifeform reactor. [00:24]
mircea_popescu ya sure. and if i were fucking starving, what exacty difference;d it make to you ? [00:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps unrelated (but possibly not), near the minez where i toil there has always been beggars. as in, 24/7, the buggers beg in shifts. for a month or so there was a cosmic anomaly: a passably young gurl. and today she was dragged away screaming by two bicycle cops. [00:24]
mircea_popescu lmao the bicycle cops. [00:24]
asciilifeform aha, never saw those before in any sort of numbers outside university campus [00:24]
mircea_popescu didja offer her a cup of coffee ? [00:24]
asciilifeform somehow they are a thing now. [00:24]
mircea_popescu "somehow". shortages is the somehow. [00:25]
asciilifeform gotta be. [00:25]
asciilifeform either undersupply of squad cars or - as i assumed - oversupply of policemen [00:25]
mircea_popescu why did you not talk up the cosmic anomaly, aflie! [00:25]
asciilifeform from what, car ? l0l [00:25]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:25]
mircea_popescu they stop, don't they ? [00:25]
cazalla friend and foe http://i.imgur.com/JpHE9hx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/j2RUdEI.jpg [00:25]
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trinque cazalla: cool shots [00:26]
asciilifeform cazalla: very spiffy. yours ? [00:26]
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mircea_popescu cazalla "fluturele alb al verzei". cabbage white buttefly. [00:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what am i to do with the wild animal, l0l. [00:26]
cazalla yes, broad beans as previously mentioned, lots of bees and insects about with the warmer spring weather [00:26]
mircea_popescu whatcha call it ? (horrid pest, it is) [00:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform TALK. [00:26]
* asciilifeform doesn't zoophilia [00:26]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do you know in advance omaigerd. [00:26]
asciilifeform sometimes i do talk to bumz! [00:26]
asciilifeform when on foot. [00:27]
asciilifeform in a car it is a little awkward. [00:27]
cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah white butterfly but broad beans are a good scam as the flowers trick them [00:27]
mircea_popescu but missing out the cosmic anomaly ? it gotta be investigated. [00:27]
mircea_popescu you're a scientist aren't you ? [00:27]
trinque man I love talking with bums [00:27]
trinque highly entertaining [00:27]
asciilifeform trinque: i especially like 'math bums' [00:27]
asciilifeform a species we have in some abundance here [00:27]
mircea_popescu i certainly never miss the opportunity to inquire with young female beggars, because the thing puzzles me [00:27]
asciilifeform aha, inevitably 'why???' [00:28]
mircea_popescu o btw, feminazis chicks : how come you don't go begging more often bitchez ? you know, for equalitit. [00:28]
mircea_popescu "oh, men dominate all professions. mostly, busking. but let's talk about vague shit instead like carly fiorina and how she ruined hp" [00:28]
asciilifeform !s glass cellar [00:28]
assbot 0 results for 'glass cellar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glass+cellar [00:28]
asciilifeform hmm [00:28]
asciilifeform ;;google glass cellar [00:28]
gribble Urban Dictionary: glass cellar: ; Labor Day's Glass Cellars and Women's Wisdom - Dr. Warren Farrell: ; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ...: [00:28]
asciilifeform (americanism. refers to the effect in question.) [00:29]
mircea_popescu Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ... ) <<< i expect they expect "men" to "fix everything" because "theyt're good at that and shit" ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu dumbasses srlsly. [00:29]
mircea_popescu who the fuck let the 15yos out of their mother's basement. [00:29]
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cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net?qcLocale=en_US is basically what a post at the top of /r/bitcoin gets you.. front page of the interwebs my ass [01:11]
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cazalla damn them chicken wings were good.. 24 hours in a tub of soy and yellow box honey then smoked with mesquite.. i am snake full of chickun wingz [01:15]
cazalla http://i.imgur.com/EOsblrE.gif [01:17]
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mircea_popescu Quantified Directly Measured Data 42,348 US rank (quantcast) ; Global Rank 1,096,708 (down 546,035) Rank in United States 419,214 (alexa) [01:20]
mircea_popescu clearly there is something to these measures. [01:20]
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mircea_popescu dat eth bet [02:33]
mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ << already worth 10k. [02:34]
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BingoBoingo That ETH bet is moving up awfully fast for a bet that only started with 1 BTC [04:10]
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mircea_popescu 4:1 to go down 80% in a quarter. [04:23]
mircea_popescu kinda soft, imo [04:24]
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BingoBoingo I'm wondering how long it will stay 4:1 [04:38]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250310 <<< it may live again, http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/18/supersonic-breakthrough-concorde-could-fly-again-within-four-years [06:20]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 17:42:57; mircea_popescu: in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not. [06:20]
assbot Supersonic breakthrough: Concorde could fly again within four years | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol4oEv ) [06:20]
mircea_popescu o cool [06:20]
mircea_popescu "The organisation hopes to buy the Concorde currently on display at Le Bourget airport in Paris. If it is successful, the plane will be restored before resuming operation as a private heritage aircraft that will be flown at air displays as well as being available for charter. " [06:21]
mircea_popescu lol fuyll cargo cult. [06:21]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa < mno. what another lie to a liar? [06:59]
kakobrekla whats* [06:59]
shinohai https://i.imgur.com/sWwkIfi.jpg >.> [06:59]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279466 << pretty good, what is that punkman ? [11:17]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279471 << yeah, because that's the point of government, to try and prevent people doing what they want to do. [11:18]
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mircea_popescu government by the aliens, for the aliens, with these people. [11:18]
punkman mircea_popescu: japanese parliament iirc [11:18]
mircea_popescu someone gotta explain to me on what basis the (mistaken, btw) proposition that "the UK" exists, or has a government or anything is even supposed to rest. [11:19]
mircea_popescu we might as well discuss the heavenly host. purely imaginary nonsense with no practical bearing. [11:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51012 @ 0.00074052 = 37.7754 BTC [+] {3} [11:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6828 @ 0.00075037 = 5.1235 BTC [+] {3} [11:21]
mircea_popescu vbuterinEthereum - Vitalik Buterin thehighfiveghostEthereum - George Hallam Blue-ChainEthereum - Ken Kappler avsaEthereum - Alex van de Sande crypto_jesusEthereum - Konstantin Kudryavtsev frozemanEthereum - Fabian Vogelsteller [11:24]
mircea_popescu justincase. [11:24]
mircea_popescu http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethercoin/ << lol. [11:25]
assbot Ethercoin (ETC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnVVDP ) [11:25]
mircea_popescu re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-09-2015#1264355 : [11:27]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000 [11:27]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00362294 * 15000 [11:27]
gribble 54.3441 [11:27]
mircea_popescu it actually dropped 50% in two weeks. [11:27]
punkman ethercoin is an altcoin, not ethereum [11:28]
mircea_popescu http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ < [11:28]
assbot Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq ) [11:28]
mircea_popescu (the other one is around 0.001 last it traded, which is August) [11:28]
mircea_popescu this one STARTED in august, and it's gonna be 0 by november or whatever. [11:29]
punkman "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale" [11:29]
mircea_popescu yaya [11:29]
punkman oic [11:29]
mircea_popescu i can't fucking believe there's 40 btc on its survival. [11:29]
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mircea_popescu https://www.ethereum.org/ << impressive they crossed out "safe". unimpressive they omit to mention "ethereum is blablabla JUST LIKE RIPPLE" and "its perspectives are nil, JUST LIKE RIPPLE'S WERE". [11:32]
assbot Ethereum Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnX7aw ) [11:32]
mircea_popescu "Social business founded to open up the world of how things are made" [11:33]
mircea_popescu really this thing should be preserved for future derps. [11:33]
mircea_popescu somehow. [11:33]
mircea_popescu the problem of making future derps digest history is un fucking solvable already. [11:33]
mircea_popescu like getting malnourished african children to eat beef jerky. [11:34]
mircea_popescu o brother. [11:36]
mircea_popescu "The foundation is currently in the phase of restructuring its communications activities. Several members of our current communications team in London are soon leaving or reducing their involvement in the Foundation in order to pursue for-profit ventures on top of the Ethereum ecosystem; we wish them the best of luck. And so, we have both the necessity and a unique opportunity to “reboot” that side of the organizat [11:36]
mircea_popescu ion and take another look at how the Ethereum foundation interacts with the community. [11:36]
mircea_popescu As some initial steps, we are going to do the following: [11:36]
mircea_popescu We will make an effort to de-emphasize Skype, and emphasize Gitter as a means of real-time communication for developers. Gitter has the advantages that (i) it’s easier to quickly jump in and participate," [11:36]
mircea_popescu "We will continue our general direction of increasing permissiveness that we began with our recent changes to branding guidelines, and emphasis on maintaining norms of common sense and civility over strict rules. We are not following in the footsteps of /r/bitcoin‘s theymos. Discussion of EthereumXT (I suppose the closest equivalent we have is Expanse, with its 10x higher gas limit) is NOT banned. [11:37]
mircea_popescu We will de-emphasize the “ETH DEV” brand (with the exception of “DEVcon”) and focus attention on “Ethereum” going forward" [11:37]
mircea_popescu a) all the wrong fucking choices ; b) they actually believe this shit has some sort of meaning. god help me, "the eth dev brand" ? how the fuck is it a brand. [11:37]
mircea_popescu they actually sit around and pretend like this shit's a thing. i have so much trouble processing this... [11:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00075242 = 20.6916 BTC [+] [11:38]
mircea_popescu from fb : Ethereum September 7 at 8:02am · Executive Director Ming Chan (@mingchan88) posts on Ethereum's new updated branding guidelines https://www.reddit.com/…/…/new_ethereum_branding_guidelines/ [11:39]
shinohai http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux_repeat_microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux/ <<< The only linux guaranteed to get you pwnd. [11:39]
assbot Microsoft has developed its own Linux. Repeat. Microsoft has developed its own Linux • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUfJz ) [11:39]
mircea_popescu srsly ? "executive director" ? branding guidelines ? [11:39]
mircea_popescu what the everloving treefortfuck! [11:39]
mircea_popescu shinohai nah, it's ok, ubuntu was there first. [11:39]
shinohai When you create your own money, you also get to make up a job title! How cool is dat? [11:39]
mircea_popescu very cool. [11:42]
mircea_popescu http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3143/is-there-a-way-to-send-all-ether-from-one-address-to-another << considering this is the most read/commented item on the thing's forum, and also the only one to get any comments / more than 5 views, and also the principal item in "protocol discussion" (a heading made to differentiate from NON TECHNICAL discussions) [11:43]
assbot Is there a way to send all Ether from one address to another? - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUtQX ) [11:43]
mircea_popescu all i wanna know is what the fuck broken parenscript they use. [11:43]
mircea_popescu eth.sendTransaction({from:eth.accounts[1], to:eth.accounts[2], value:eth.getBalance(eth.accounts[0])-eth.gasPrice*21000, gas:21000}) [11:43]
mircea_popescu Unlock account [11:43]
mircea_popescu Passphrase: [11:43]
mircea_popescu Negative value [11:43]
mircea_popescu at InvalidResponse (:-81076:-133) [11:43]
mircea_popescu at send (:-154580:-133) [11:43]
mircea_popescu at sendTransaction (:-131712:-133) [11:43]
mircea_popescu at :1:1 [11:43]
mircea_popescu it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json [11:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00073687 = 30.4696 BTC [-] {4} [11:46]
mircea_popescu http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ? [11:48]
assbot Can't compile a contract - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yo0bU1 ) [11:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform seriously, it seems like this thing aims to be ~ urbit. made by people of the same exact ilk ("got some usg payola") but who understand EVEN LESS of computing. [11:49]
shinohai I'm still rofl from the guy who sent all his coin to a contract the other day and now can't recover it. [11:49]
mircea_popescu so they're not even at discussing jets and immutability yet. so far we're doing "branding imperatives" and "How to call Serpent function from JAVA SCRIPT (including encoding of function arguments)" [11:50]
mircea_popescu mindboggling what the population of excel-educated project managers in obscure office space will do with their time if you let them loose. [11:50]
mircea_popescu i simply had no fucking idea, i imagined they'd go ineptly hit on girls or something. eat many cakes. [11:51]
mircea_popescu shinohai i'd be actually surprised if anyone managed to use this thing as intended to date. [11:51]
mircea_popescu i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously. [11:52]
mircea_popescu http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/1576/mist-preview-discussion-thread << heh. [11:54]
assbot Mist preview discussion thread - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUW5v ) [11:54]
mircea_popescu aaanyway. that was entertaining. thanks whoever threw away 10k on bitbet, for the morning lulz. [11:55]
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mircea_popescu "Taylor Gerring @TaylorGerring · Sep 17 Taylor Gerring retweeted Vitalik Buterin The benefit of #Ethereum being defined by a spec, not an implementation " [11:56]
mircea_popescu o god almighty. [11:56]
mircea_popescu who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem. [11:56]
shinohai I decided not to bet on that one, I mean there are people that *still* believe in paycon despite Garza being what he was. [12:00]
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mircea_popescu obviously. i'm sure there's somewhere some people secretly waiting for neobee "brick and mortar stores" to come out of hiding. [12:01]
mircea_popescu http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin/ << $ 1,343 MARKET CAP!!11 [12:02]
assbot Paycoin (PYC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioVkRu ) [12:02]
mircea_popescu 20 dollars guarantee!!11 [12:02]
shinohai LOL at that mc now. [12:03]
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shinohai In that vein, TradeFortress is sure to give me back the coin I lost in coinlenders too. [12:04]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279559 << i don't see any traces of lisp in this atrocity [12:08]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 14:41:47; mircea_popescu: it looks exactly like someone gutted lisp and replaced it with "easier to use" javascript.json [12:08]
mircea_popescu im still puzzled as to why all the eth derps imagine they're competing with bitcoin, quoting all sorts of bitcoin news etc, when it's quite clear they're trying to eat the ever shrinking ripple pie. [12:08]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279561 << holy fuck [12:08]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 14:46:16; mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ? [12:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it suddenly makes sense when you realize that they are not competing with bitcoin, but with 'bitcoin' [12:09]
mircea_popescu oh. [12:09]
mircea_popescu but that'd be dogecoin [12:09]
asciilifeform as in, the thing usg universities, 'ngo' complex, etc. finance. [12:09]
mircea_popescu right. [12:09]
asciilifeform nah dogecoin is the u.s. dept. of reddit's version. [12:09]
mircea_popescu technologically urbit, managerially dogecoin, practically ripple. [12:10]
asciilifeform these are (hard as it may be to believe) separate ministries [12:10]
asciilifeform aha. [12:10]
mircea_popescu and within not so long, the only people left standing will have a very strong "opentransactions" flavour to it [12:11]
mircea_popescu (which is pure necrodearia style insanity-on-a-stick, for the people who haven [12:11]
mircea_popescu 't been watching the show back in 2012ish) [12:11]
asciilifeform the other thing is, i was briefly astonished at how broken the thing is, but then remembered an old mircea_popescu lemma which leads to 'it must necessarily be broken' - i haven't the link handy, but this was an article where 'usg dare not safely use a working bitcoin or even similar item, because it will begin to warp around it' [12:12]
mircea_popescu there's very faint traces of usg in all of this. [12:12]
shinohai meanwhile, thank you asciilifeform for giving us a bitcoind that isn't a horribly bloated p.o.s. [12:12]
mircea_popescu mostly because warm soup at maryland, but that's limited. [12:12]
asciilifeform shinohai: l0l it wasn't just my doing [12:12]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the soup at md was poured by nsf (a good $2M worth iirc, straight from the crown) [12:13]
asciilifeform and that's merely the first parcel. [12:13]
mircea_popescu 2mn is not enough to take a piss. [12:13]
asciilifeform it is an appetizer. pays for two profs and a stable of arsewipes [12:14]
mircea_popescu yes, but the stable gets $20 a head. [12:14]
asciilifeform one of these days i'ma walk over to their sweatshop & count'em [12:14]
asciilifeform (yes, presently anybody can just waltz in) [12:15]
mircea_popescu or send pet. [12:15]
asciilifeform or. [12:15]
mircea_popescu she can pretend she's wymyn in tech, interested in ethereum for glory. [12:16]
mircea_popescu see what happens [12:16]
mircea_popescu (i do this sort of thing ALLLLL the time.) [12:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073611 = 7.2139 BTC [-] [12:17]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279498 << i never quite understood why this has not happened yet in usa [12:19]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 14:16:03; assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. " [12:19]
asciilifeform popular explanations range from 'nah they can't ban it, with what will we pay the mexican strawberry pickers' to 'it will come any day now' [12:19]
mircea_popescu us cash is banned anyway. [12:20]
mircea_popescu think for a second : your largest bill is worth ~80 euros. [12:20]
mircea_popescu the eu still has 500 euro bills, which are about as useful as argentine 100 pesos. [12:20]
mircea_popescu for a functioning cash economy you'd need 10k bills. [12:20]
mircea_popescu stuff with two digits should be reminted as coins. [12:20]
asciilifeform this will come. [12:21]
asciilifeform as per zimbabwe. [12:21]
mircea_popescu "no inflation for a century" ==> "time to cut two zeros off the currency" [12:21]
asciilifeform aha. [12:21]
asciilifeform as the ruble, under hruschev [12:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00073494 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {2} [12:23]
asciilifeform back to u.s. cash, i suspect that it remains a thing at least partly due to ease of extrajudicial confiscation [12:24]
mircea_popescu prolly. [12:25]
mircea_popescu nobody that you know paid in cash for a house or even a car. think about that. what cash ? [12:26]
mircea_popescu twenty years ago you COULD NOT buy a house in romania other than for cash. no matter what. [12:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa, if you are so much as seen publicly with a bag of cash big enough for a car (much less a house) - immediate jail, unless you have an alibi [12:27]
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mircea_popescu so then what "will". [12:27]
asciilifeform and if you ~do~ have a 'good reason', you might still be dekulakized [12:28]
mircea_popescu it's banned. [12:28]
asciilifeform ah the 'will' is per 'shave two zeros' [12:28]
mircea_popescu the only incentive to do that is the loss of face over having to print wider bills to accomodate the increase in digits. [12:29]
mircea_popescu as the us is not printing new bills, the incentive is not present. [12:29]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i also suspect that one of the drivers of usg interest in demented pseudo-bitcoin contraptions ('permissioned blockchain technology!') is that these folks dream of a hybrid bulldog-rhinoceros, 'best of both', where usg can electronically steal everything you have, but without any bureaucratic snags - it will look precisely like a voluntary donation, from a mathematical standpoint [12:31]
mircea_popescu i doubt anyone thinks this far ahead. [12:32]
mircea_popescu so far it's more like a "pack of wild dogs invaded your living room ? quick, drop some squaky toys on the floor!11" [12:32]
mircea_popescu "we'll figure it out later..." [12:32]
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mircea_popescu so since i'm now looking at the table of "crypto currencies", as if that's a thing now (hey, why not you know, alternate centers of gravity - why not!!1), here's a table : [12:34]
mircea_popescu # Name "MKT CAP" unit price M3 Trade volume Change [12:34]
mircea_popescu 1 Bitcoin $ 3,380,982,278 $ 231.09 14,630,650 BTC $ 14,104,800 -1.02 % [12:34]
mircea_popescu 2 Ripple $ 242,349,655 $ 0.007460 32,488,247,336 XRP $ 614,620 -0.87 % [12:34]
mircea_popescu 3 Litecoin $ 121,542,198 $ 2.87 42,357,610 LTC $ 811,946 -3.64 % [12:34]
mircea_popescu 4 Ethereum $ 61,476,700 $ 0.838699 73,300,075 ETH $ 426,907 -1.99 % [12:34]
mircea_popescu 5 BitShares $ 14,993,647 $ 0.005969 2,511,953,117 BTS $ 468,786 12.20 % [12:34]
mircea_popescu someone fucking explain to me what is the MEANING of "quarter billion mkt cap" over half a million trade volume. [12:35]
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mircea_popescu in what sense does this make sense ? you don't even need to have finance experience to notice this nonsense. [12:35]
asciilifeform idk, how does 3B with 14M volume make sense ? [12:35]
mircea_popescu leaving aside "what the fuck is bitshares" etc. [12:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it doesn't. [12:35]
asciilifeform no shit [12:35]
asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#742046 [12:37]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot [12:37]
asciilifeform there is this. [12:38]
asciilifeform but also, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, 'market cap' is a pseudoscientific measure to begin with. [12:38]
mircea_popescu General Motors Company (GM). volume : 17,957,300 (3 mo avg) , 1.58 Bn outstanding. [12:38]
asciilifeform it is possible that, e.g., 'market cap' for rembrandt canvases is $3B but this year's trading volume is $0 [12:39]
mircea_popescu so bitcoin is pushing it with its 0.005. but this 0.001 bs... [12:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "possible" in what alt-universe ? [12:39]
asciilifeform if none had changed hands ? [12:40]
asciilifeform in the time period under consideration [12:40]
mircea_popescu dividing the mkt cap by the mkt volume roughly yields the "empty hopes" factor. [12:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00074329 = 24.6029 BTC [+] [12:40]
mircea_popescu why would that be the case, the less liquid a market is the more hope driven it is. [12:40]
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mircea_popescu anyway, to sum up : mkt cap / mkt volume factors. bitcoin 0.004171805 ; ripple 0.002536088 ; ltc 0.006680363 ; 0.006944208 ; "bitshares" 0.031265642 ; general motors, 0.01136538 [12:43]
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mircea_popescu or if you don't like gm, apple is 59,026,600/5.70 bn = 0.010355544 [12:45]
asciilifeform how about physical gold ? [12:46]
mircea_popescu that's too cooked. [12:46]
asciilifeform suspected as much [12:46]
mircea_popescu but if you'd prefer minerals, how about shell. 1,583,440 / 3.16bn = 0.000501089 [12:47]
mircea_popescu (rds-b) [12:47]
pete_dushenski jpm : 16,534,400 / 3.70 bn = 0.00446875675676 [12:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54158 @ 0.00073959 = 40.0547 BTC [-] {5} [12:52]
mircea_popescu eh jpm. [12:52]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279569 << was augur fussing about bitbet ? i musta missed this and just figured they'd pretend like bb/mpex were never invented [12:53]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 14:50:33; mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously. [12:53]
mircea_popescu anyway, berkshire's 297/811760 = 0.000365872, better example in that vein [12:53]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279575 << you!!1 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-08-2015#1250344 [12:54]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 14:54:39; mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem. [12:54]
assbot Logged on 24-08-2015 17:51:38; mircea_popescu: because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven. [12:54]
mircea_popescu damn. [12:55]
mircea_popescu wait, i call scamminigans. [12:55]
mircea_popescu i was discussing women and blowjobs wasn't i. [12:55]
pete_dushenski my guess is bois thought that gender equality meant that they could be enthusiastic too [12:56]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/3js068/is_this_a_dream/ << o brother, the traders. [12:56]
assbot Is this a dream? : BitShares ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXOzmC ) [12:56]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski they could! IF THEY WERE SUCKING COCK. [12:57]
mircea_popescu o wait. they also think wrinkly old usgfag qualifies huh. [12:57]
mircea_popescu jesus. [12:57]
pete_dushenski discrimination [12:57]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 12.10078888 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b13 [12:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, "bitshares" turns out to be yet another bitbet-killer [12:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45595 @ 0.00074465 = 33.9523 BTC [+] {3} [12:57]
mircea_popescu it's a wonder that shit site's still around. [12:57]
mircea_popescu "BTS's consensus algorithm is DPOS, which is roughly that stakeholders vote on a relatively small set of block validators (~100). All stakeholders care about is "sufficient" decentralization - block validators are quick to replace. These validators can be high-performance servers." [12:58]
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mircea_popescu "I read about interest on bitAssets. Tell me more! [13:00]
mircea_popescu If you tumbled over the term interest, you probably read an outdated posted. Sorry to tell you but there is no interest on your bitUSD ... for legal reasons ... thus the community decided to call it a yield :-). That yield is payed out every time you transfer bitUSD (that are older than 24h). This effectively is an interest, but has an other name. Check out the our info graphic about is:" [13:00]
mircea_popescu sigh [13:00]
pete_dushenski i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it [13:00]
pete_dushenski it was 2013's Great New Thing [13:01]
pete_dushenski 'ground floor' kinda stuff [13:01]
mircea_popescu dude that eth bet's a killer lol [13:01]
pete_dushenski tip o' the cap to whoever drafted it up [13:02]
pete_dushenski 'etc' notwithstanding [13:02]
mircea_popescu i suspect it was a deliberate jab [13:02]
mircea_popescu etc is an actual eth thing. [13:02]
pete_dushenski what's the relation between eth and etc ? [13:04]
pete_dushenski "Ethercoins are redeemable for Ether on a 1:1 basis." [13:04]
pete_dushenski "Please Note: We are in no way affiliated with the Official Ethereum project." [13:04]
pete_dushenski ^from ethercoin website [13:05]
mircea_popescu also above in log. [13:05]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279519 << aha [13:05]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 14:26:49; punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale" [13:05]
pete_dushenski still makes no goddam sense but w/e [13:06]
pete_dushenski lol [13:06]
pete_dushenski "President Barack Obama nominated Eric Fanning to become the next secretary of the Army, the White House said, paving the way for the first openly gay leader of a military service branch in U.S. history." [13:06]
mircea_popescu http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/business/20150915/arcadia-based-company-under-investigation-councilmans-connections-under-scrutiny [13:09]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [13:09]
assbot Arcadia-based company under investigation, councilman’s connections under scrutiny ... ( http://bit.ly/1WaoX7X ) [13:09]
mircea_popescu the company ? which the guy called "a major breakthrough in finance" ? [13:10]
mircea_popescu GEMCOIN [13:10]
mircea_popescu i thought azn ppl were supposed to be throwing the curve. [13:10]
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mircea_popescu "Former heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson has joined forces with a cryptocurrency firm to bring bitcoin ATMs to Las Vegas. The deal with Conexus and Bitcoin Direct is believed to be the first celebrity partnership in the bitcoin industry." [13:12]
mircea_popescu awww, twinklefenton's gonna be butt-hurt ? again [13:12]
pete_dushenski http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135778037437.png << link from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 goes straight to mpex.ws [13:12]
assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXQffY ) [13:12]
pete_dushenski there are probably a raft of 'polimedia' links on loper that do the same. [13:13]
mircea_popescu old chan thing that meanwhilke died. [13:13]
mircea_popescu hahahaha australia, that shithole where canaries are illegal ? lmao. [13:14]
mircea_popescu https://np.reddit.com/r/primecoin/comments/3lg17m/if_primecoin_becomes_international_transferring/ [13:17]
assbot If Primecoin becomes international transferring instrument, the price versus USD will potentially hit 1,000! : primecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Waptmp ) [13:17]
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mircea_popescu "CoinTelegraph Media Group is the largest international cryptocurrency-related marketing and advertising agency in the world. Our Ad opportunities provide our clients with wide-reaching penetration into the cryptocurrency-oriented community." [13:32]
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mircea_popescu !up crescendo [13:38]
-assbot- You voiced crescendo for 30 minutes. [13:38]
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mircea_popescu and in retrospective lulz, murdoch paid 5bn for dow jones in 2008. last summer ft sold (to nikkei) for 1.change bn. [13:39]
mircea_popescu the only question being wtf were the japs thinking. [13:39]
mircea_popescu it does maybe 20mn profit over half bn revenue. which half bn revenue dropped 80% over the decade and will drop 90% over the next decade. [13:40]
pete_dushenski japs were thinking 'not my bezzlars, don't care where they come from or where they're going, just that they're active rather than passive' [13:49]
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pete_dushenski "General Motors admitted wrongdoing and will pay a $900-million penalty, but will avoid federal prosecution for its mishandling of an ignition-switch defect in some of its older cars." << even 'chosen ones' have to pay their tithes/baksheesh. [13:51]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ivananucar.jpg << the competition for 'best troll name' intensifies. this, from a local car dealer. [13:53]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 << "Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive." [13:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:56]
assbot Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDt8Gj ) [13:56]
mircea_popescu "Many economists believe that balance sheet losses are irrelevant for a central bank, so they should play no role in policy." [13:58]
mircea_popescu ahjahahaha [13:58]
mircea_popescu win. [13:58]
pete_dushenski this is precisely what i mean by 'economists' of which noah smith is a prime example [13:59]
pete_dushenski 'many economist believe that inflation doesn't erode your savings' [13:59]
pete_dushenski sure, why not. [13:59]
pete_dushenski it's the most meaningless source in the universe for a journalist to cite [13:59]
pete_dushenski how many 'economists' exist ? tens of thousands ? [14:00]
pete_dushenski so 100 of them is 'many' [14:00]
mircea_popescu clearly they're shopping for many economists the same place gavin did [14:00]
mircea_popescu which may or may not be related to the toilet. [14:00]
pete_dushenski at walmart [14:00]
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pete_dushenski bbias [14:01]
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mircea_popescu http://heidiroizen.tumblr.com/post/118473647305/how-to-build-a-unicorn-from-scratch-and-walk [14:02]
assbot Operating Partner, DFJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiUU9z ) [14:02]
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mircea_popescu roizen is actually one of those actual women in, well, not tech, but anyway. [14:07]
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ben_vulpes good morning, assett [14:07]
ben_vulpes assets* [14:08]
mircea_popescu "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform." [14:08]
mircea_popescu aka, graham's yahoo advertising ponzi scheme. [14:08]
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ben_vulpes this is relevant to a question i've been mulling of late. say a new client shows up at my door, and i like their shit so much i want to buy a chunk of it. how would i navigate both owning a chunk of the new company and also my consulting company that would be building large swathes of the product? seems a bit ethically and incentive-alignmently fraught. [14:11]
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mircea_popescu the only problem with it is that it's a profession, and you don't have a clue how it works. [14:19]
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mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gweDBQ-9LuQ [15:00]
assbot The Perl Jam: Exploiting a 20 Year-old Vulnerability [31c3] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp8Obx ) [15:00]
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mircea_popescu o.O [15:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279776 << this is about a tv series, 'silicon valley', which is a merciless parody of the whole idiot culture and actually worth seeing [15:25]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 17:06:23; mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform." [15:25]
mircea_popescu im writing it up as we speak. [15:26]
* asciilifeform barely watches film at all these days, but saw all of 'silicon..', at the instigation of phriendz, and l0lled [15:26]
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mircea_popescu in other news, trilema article i been working for the past coupla hours now stands at 7.5k words [16:03]
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BingoBoingo Sweet [16:25]
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ag3nt_zer0 happy saturday all [17:09]
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ag3nt_zer0 watching this great horror film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHyvRHrYYBA [17:10]
assbot Indoctrinate U - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gBi9A4 ) [17:10]
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ag3nt_zer0 "An investigation of how political correctness has impinged on freedom of speech and intellectual diversity on college campuses." [17:11]
shinohai o/ ag3nt_zer0 [17:14]
ag3nt_zer0 same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph5LdzBE1V4 if anyones interested I like watching this kid fight [17:14]
assbot Ben Shapiro on indoctrination of America's youth in universities - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmafJz ) [17:14]
ag3nt_zer0 yo shinohai, how goes it? [17:15]
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mats http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/16/440667030/another-government-shutdown-looms-at-the-end-of-the-month [17:27]
assbot Another Government Shutdown Looms At The End Of The Month : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbmJl ) [17:27]
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shinohai not bad ag3nt_zer0 having a glass or 8 of wine and you? [17:33]
ag3nt_zer0 shinohai: just watching that indoctrinate U movie haha [17:34]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279578 <<< nah, that's the first paycoin, this is garza's paycoin (was also first! ignore the 2 in the url) http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin2/ still, may as well be $1000 [17:37]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 15:00:17; mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin/ << $ 1,343 MARKET CAP!!11 [17:37]
assbot PayCoin (XPY) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbSqL ) [17:37]
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mircea_popescu oic. [17:43]
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deedbot- [Trilema] You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ [17:55]
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shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184053.msg12466995;boardseen#new <<< keks [18:26]
assbot need someone familiar with finite field arithmetic to write whitepaper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FmZEv1 ) [18:26]
shinohai tl;dr I don't know this shit but it is critical to get people to adopt my scamcoin. SO help plox, thx bye. [18:27]
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mircea_popescu ;pr [18:28]
mircea_popescu prolly tring to do rijndael something or the other [18:29]
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shinohai btw excellent trilema post mircea_popescu. I don't have the greatest understanding of such things but that certainly makes sense. [18:33]
mircea_popescu *thumbsup* [18:33]
shinohai It's easy to see in comparison why most new ventures fail nowadays. [18:35]
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pete_dushenski http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras [18:58]
assbot Searching for the "grey market" foods of New York City — Hopes&Fears — flow "Food" ... ( http://bit.ly/1YpbhIn ) [18:58]
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phf http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit [19:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YpdR17 ) [19:15]
shinohai Tablets are shit too, imho phf [19:20]
phf that goes without saying [19:20]
phf i wouldn't have posted otherwise, but for the recent calculator discussions. all the talk about "limited edition retro appeal" in stark contrast to b-a considerations [19:22]
shinohai b-a has the brightest minds in bitcoin finance, yet I never hear anyone here hawking the latest hardware. [19:23]
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shinohai https://i.imgur.com/7EgfHNf.jpg << [19:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPDO4W ) [19:26]
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mircea_popescu they just did. casio ftw! [19:27]
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mircea_popescu shit, i want two. [19:28]
shinohai To all reading the b-a logs: I wish to compile a list of realbitcoin nodes so if you have one I can list feel free to ping. [19:31]
mircea_popescu which do you have so far ? [19:32]
shinohai I got ascii's I think and danielpbarron 's [19:33]
shinohai I don't necessarily have to make them public, just wanted to put them somewhere so I could connect if need be. [19:34]
phf asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees. [19:34]
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mircea_popescu shinohai 188.68.240.159 is also on [19:35]
phf never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless. [19:35]
shinohai thx will add that, need to write a simple script that can show which are on/off etc [19:37]
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phf if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut." [19:43]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279839 << i thought betel was banned in usa? or was that khat ? [19:51]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 21:56:32; pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras [19:51]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279842 << lulzy. for comparison, i picked up a (turned out, virginal (!!!)) ti-92plus for 25 usd. [19:51]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 22:12:54; phf: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit [19:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279861 << l0l! aha. [19:53]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 22:40:54; phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut." [19:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279859 << ever got mlton or smlnj, or mosml, to build glibc-less binaries ? [19:53]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 22:33:17; phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless. [19:53]
asciilifeform (standalone ones. i will not use the threaded code ones for anything) [19:53]
asciilifeform static or nada. [19:54]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279856 << frame-based ? [19:54]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 22:32:40; phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees. [19:54]
phf i think it's actually called region-based memory management [19:55]
phf also no re glibc-less binaries [19:56]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279839 << i just came out of a shop near dc, it sold that same mimolette (as far as naked eye could tell) [19:56]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 21:56:32; pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras [19:56]
phf presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking" [19:57]
phf *didn't [19:58]
phf have you already dropped ocaml from your evaluation based on that article you posted couple of days ago? [19:59]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279708 <<< was it not something like protoshares then bit X and proto X and about 5 other incarnations prior to it being bitshares? [20:02]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 15:58:44; pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it [20:02]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279827 <<< this was a great sunday morning read [20:06]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 20:52:53; deedbot-: [Trilema] You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ [20:06]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279881 << i fucking hate single-vendor items [20:08]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 22:57:48; phf: have you already dropped ocaml from your evaluation based on that article you posted couple of days ago? [20:08]
cazalla http://www.jewocity.com/blog/13-female-footballers-removed-from-federation-internationale-de-football-association-16-following-ncaa-warning/71799 "Athletes are paid in ‘an education, ‘ the only currency more hard to spend than bitcoin”, Oliver joked" [20:09]
assbot 13 female footballers removed from Federation Internationale de Football Association 16 following NCAA warning | Jewocity.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjkJGB ) [20:09]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279879 << actually as far as i can tell it is ~worse~. the 'small binaries' are bytecode-compiled that runs SLOW AS FUCK ~and~ REQUIRED RUNTIME INSTALLED [20:09]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 22:55:01; phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking" [20:09]
asciilifeform the 'large binaries' are a 200kB helloworld ~and~ dynamically link libc. [20:09]
asciilifeform and what the fuck do people smoke that makes them release a compiler without tree shaking? [20:10]
asciilifeform what do we need the dead code for ??? [20:10]
asciilifeform i just don't get it. [20:10]
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cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQxhBN-gUk lol [20:49]
assbot The Truth Behind AbbyBitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtsgPp ) [20:49]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279882 << 'protoshares' rings a bell, now that you mention it. [20:51]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 23:00:00; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279708 <<< was it not something like protoshares then bit X and proto X and about 5 other incarnations prior to it being bitshares? [20:51]
cazalla http://www.coindesk.com/london-photographer-embarks-on-bitcoin-only-challenge/ gg coindesk promoting scams ha [20:51]
assbot London Photographer Embarks on Bitcoin-Only Challenge ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ktsjuz ) [20:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26906 @ 0.00074312 = 19.9944 BTC [+] [20:52]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279901 << 'he found me in a mental hospital' [20:55]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 23:47:30; cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQxhBN-gUk lol [20:55]
pete_dushenski yikes. [20:55]
pete_dushenski !s abbybitcoin [20:55]
assbot 0 results for 'abbybitcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abbybitcoin [20:55]
pete_dushenski figured as much [20:55]
pete_dushenski http://www.initc3.org/publications.html << your public dollars at work. [21:05]
assbot Publications - IC3: Initiative for CryptoCurrencies and Contracts ... ( http://bit.ly/1F8Lo9p ) [21:05]
pete_dushenski with hot new titles such as "Nonoutsourceable Scratch-Off Puzzles to Discourage Bitcoin Mining Coalitions." [21:06]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: this one's not entirely rotten. see logs. [21:07]
asciilifeform (not the specific paper, aha, but the concept) [21:07]
asciilifeform !s nonoutsourceable [21:07]
assbot 0 results for 'nonoutsourceable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nonoutsourceable [21:07]
asciilifeform !s non-outsourceable [21:07]
assbot 4 results for 'non-outsourceable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=non-outsourceable [21:07]
asciilifeform ^ [21:07]
pete_dushenski oh hey, nifty [21:08]
pete_dushenski but i still need something to mock ! [21:08]
asciilifeform as for why this general thing, see mr mold: 'The CS-research bureaucrat's main difficulty is that no one wants to fund bureaucrats. Therefore, he must pretend to be either a creative programmer or a mathematician, preferably both. Since this task is critical to his survival, he is extremely good at it. The bureaucrat has many strategies. But probably his best is to take an area of creative programming and devour it like a locu [21:09]
asciilifeform st, by turning it into a form of mathematics. Math outcompetes creative programming in the funding process, simply because it appears to be more rigorous. It is more rigorous, and it generates a longer, deeper river of more impressive publications. And, because its area is nominally applied, it doesn't have to compete with the real mathematicians over in "algorithms," who would clean the bureaucrats' clocks in five minutes.' [21:09]
pete_dushenski "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." << should do the trick :) [21:09]
asciilifeform (from the mega-classic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html ) [21:09]
assbot Unqualified Reservations: What's wrong with CS research ... ( http://bit.ly/1F8LwFV ) [21:09]
asciilifeform '... Whatever their tactics, what CS bureaucrats always sacrifice is relevance. Of course everyone has a conscience, and everyone would like to be actually relevant. But, especially when the only people checking up are your own godfathers in the funding agencies, it's much easier to pretend to be relevant. Actual relevance is extremely difficult to achieve, and hardly rewarding at all. In fact it's embarrassing, because everyo [21:10]
asciilifeform ne who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you. Since CS research is quite competitive, evolution has its way, and relevance goes the way of the snake's legs.' [21:10]
* asciilifeform recommends whole thing [21:10]
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pete_dushenski "Finally, we note that a node can send unsolicited ADDR [21:28]
pete_dushenski messages in two cases: first, upon receiving an incoming [21:28]
pete_dushenski connection from n, a node x sends an ADDR message, to a [21:28]
pete_dushenski randomly chosen peer, containing only x with the times- [21:28]
pete_dushenski tamp set to the current local time. Nodes keep state about [21:28]
pete_dushenski which addresses their neighbors know of (because they [21:28]
pete_dushenski receivedl sent information about these nodes from/to their [21:28]
pete_dushenski neighbor). When nodes receive a ADDR messages with [21:28]
pete_dushenski fewer than 10 entries, either as the result of a GETADDR [21:28]
pete_dushenski response or a new connection, they choose two peers at [21:28]
pete_dushenski random and relay the same ADDR information (without [21:28]
pete_dushenski updating any timestamps), as long as the node believes [21:28]
pete_dushenski the neighbors don’t already have this address. Nodes [21:28]
pete_dushenski purge all information about what addresses their neigh- [21:29]
pete_dushenski bors know every twenty-four hours. Thus when a node [21:29]
pete_dushenski with a hitherto unknown address joins the network, the [21:29]
pete_dushenski relay messages containing the node’s IP address eventu- [21:29]
pete_dushenski ally flood the entire network. Whenever an existing node [21:29]
pete_dushenski x makes a new connection, its address propagates in the [21:29]
pete_dushenski network; how far depends on how many nodes already [21:29]
pete_dushenski knew about x. Finally, a node will update addrMan upon [21:29]
pete_dushenski receiving an ADDR message with a newer timestamp for [21:29]
pete_dushenski an address. The two-hour aging penalty is applied to the [21:29]
pete_dushenski new timestamp learned." [21:29]
pete_dushenski eff... [21:29]
pete_dushenski apologies. source : http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/coinscope.pdf [21:29]
pete_dushenski de-pdf : http://dpaste.com/2VEJQRR.txt [21:29]
cazalla l2dpaste [21:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2eER0 ) [21:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2eER6 ) [21:29]
asciilifeform didja key that in on a telegraph or what [21:29]
pete_dushenski :) [21:30]
pete_dushenski copypasta from that txt there [21:30]
pete_dushenski for a node network n00b, i found the aforejizzed quote quite interesting [21:31]
punkman that was patched in newer phoundation versions, should still work for realbtc [21:33]
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* pete_dushenski off to dinner. laters ! [21:43]
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asciilifeform ;;seen artifexd [22:17]
gribble artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. [22:17]
punkman http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/chris-the-overgrown-australian-sheep-breaks-unofficial-world-record-following-shearing-10483977.html [22:18]
assbot Lost sheep with overgrown coat found and shaved, yields enough wool to make 30 sweaters - Australasia - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHoesJ ) [22:18]
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punkman for chrome users: http://a/%%30%30 [22:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86050 @ 0.00075553 = 65.0134 BTC [+] {2} [22:46]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPSzb53U8AEd4rD.png "I'm not "phobic" of all of Islam, just the several hundred million Muslims who think "suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified."" [22:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHqJLI ) [22:49]
punkman gotta wonder how "justified" translates to all those languages [22:51]
punkman or "I wonder what a survey of Jews and Christians would show re: justification of drone bombings." [22:52]
mircea_popescu i think suicide bombing not only can be but actually is perfectly justified. [22:52]
mircea_popescu what are you gonna do, pleabargain ? [22:52]
punkman aha [22:53]
mircea_popescu a dysfunctional legal system makes suicide bombing a necessity. you don't like that, fix the fucking legal system. [22:53]
punkman there is the question of who you suicidebomb though [22:53]
mircea_popescu no there isn't. that's the thing with suicide bombing : no more questions. [22:53]
mircea_popescu you like questions and shit, fix the fucking legal system. [22:53]
mircea_popescu that's the place for questions. [22:54]
mircea_popescu wait, old holland's banned in the us ?! [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25904 @ 0.00075683 = 19.6049 BTC [+] {2} [22:57]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPLih9lW8AA8Q7H.jpg:large [22:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHrlB6 ) [22:58]
punkman for mp's castle ^ [22:58]
mircea_popescu lol [23:01]
mircea_popescu i thought alf was the anal afficcionado [23:01]
punkman https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5006/5296624387_c98a68ff69_b.jpg same in wintertime [23:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHrBjz ) [23:01]
punkman it looked more like a cunt from that other angle [23:01]
mircea_popescu haha [23:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279902 << da fuck is that stupid shit [23:03]
assbot Logged on 19-09-2015 23:47:31; assbot: The Truth Behind AbbyBitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtsgPp ) [23:03]
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mircea_popescu "In fact it's embarrassing, because everyone who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you." <<< so ? the flailing is amusing. [23:07]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280000 << win [23:08]
assbot Logged on 20-09-2015 01:59:36; punkman: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5006/5296624387_c98a68ff69_b.jpg same in wintertime [23:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wai wut [23:09]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [23:10]
gribble Current Blocks: 375276 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1715 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [23:10]
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punkman http://qntra.net/2015/09/xiaoxing-xi-isnt-a-chinese-spy-after-all/ << https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10207388 [23:16]
assbot Xiaoxing Xi isn't a Chinese spy after all | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHsLLJ ) [23:16]
assbot I used to work in the same research field as Xi. A very nice guy, did some very ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHsNn4 ) [23:16]
asciilifeform l0l, ulbricht [23:17]
asciilifeform 'the history you didn't know' (tm) [23:17]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-09-2015#1277938 << illustrated https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bryg_k0CYAAIfsY.jpg:large [23:21]
assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 18:45:27; ascii_field: the canonical 'two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner' [23:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUINut ) [23:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00074366 = 24.8382 BTC [+] [23:35]
mircea_popescu ahahaha fucktarded gestapo is iliterate so xi ended up with a giant step forward sorta deal ? [23:36]
mircea_popescu dude, this is so cool, getting to see the 50s first hand from atop a mountain of prime veal and home made black forest ... [23:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77550 @ 0.00075306 = 58.3998 BTC [+] {5} [23:38]
mircea_popescu i couldn't have it better if i planned it. [23:38]
asciilifeform hey it sure beats seeing them from inside ! [23:38]
mircea_popescu mhm. [23:39]
asciilifeform (inside the firebrick, with the gas on, where else) [23:39]
* mircea_popescu toasts for this. [23:39]
asciilifeform 'I saw a huge steam roller, / It blotted out the sun. / The people all lay down, lay down; / They did not try to run. / ... ...' - k. vonnegut [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00075727 = 14.3881 BTC [+] {2} [23:44]
mircea_popescu fuck 'em. [23:45]
mircea_popescu !rated slush [23:49]
assbot You rated user slush on 20-Aug-2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: fuckwit. [23:49]
mircea_popescu !unrate slush [23:50]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/af7e9ebcf40eb27e [23:50]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.slush:c6ff2578e04e5100530f440a0ddf17701e43e87010b7eee8128b2c43deaf5233 [23:50]
assbot Successfully unrated slush [23:50]
mircea_popescu sad that in 2015 you still gotta teach old hands sense with the hot poker. [23:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: comment on the relative merits of -10 vs 'unrate' [23:51]
mircea_popescu hm ? [23:51]
asciilifeform as in, what is the logic above [23:51]
asciilifeform (when does it make sense to unrate a fuckwit, vs keep -10) [23:51]
asciilifeform as i understood, a negrate is a kind of radioactive tomb, a warning to others [23:52]
mircea_popescu well, they stopped with the "bip 101" bullshit. [23:52]
mircea_popescu i don't think the guy's toxic, just, acts the imbecile on occasion. [23:52]
asciilifeform but is he cured in any sense, or just removed from the opportunity to commit atrocities at the given moment ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu eh. tell you what, 4 years ago, when most of the current "experts" didn't know how to spell the name, the guy was hit by the first targetted attack, alongside some others. [23:55]
mircea_popescu guy at linode ran off with ~5k bitcoin or so. never prosecuted, slush covered out of pocket. [23:56]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, being the reason why nobody uses linode to this day. [23:57]
asciilifeform but do we know whether this was the lion's share of his pocket, or just pocket lint ? [23:57]
mircea_popescu eh, at the time we're discussing nobody in bitcoin had enough money for a spare sandwich. [23:58]
mircea_popescu top tier ~= enthusiasts with a spare basement. [23:58]
asciilifeform but isn't this because a sandwich cost 100,000 btc at the time? [23:58]
mircea_popescu at the time bitcoin was ~4 usd. [23:58]
asciilifeform ah hm. [23:58]
mircea_popescu so if memory serves he lost like 3.x k worth 10-20k or so. [23:59]
mircea_popescu whichy, as he said then and i believed then, set him back a few months of dayjob. [23:59]
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