Forum logs for 18 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

kakobrekla	is the array containing string "false" ??	[00:00]
r3wt	yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false"	[00:00]
r3wt	depending on if the address is valid or not	[00:00]
kakobrekla	but (i hope) its a bool ??	[00:00]
Apocalyptic	davout, in PHP a dictionary is an array	[00:00]
Apocalyptic	that's one of the beauties	[00:00]
davout	Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names	[00:00]
Apocalyptic	"An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more"	[00:01]
davout	"and probably more" <<< lmao	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	i like the "probably more" part.	[00:01]
Apocalyptic	cause you know, it's tedious to call things right	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	should be a php operator this.	[00:01]
Apocalyptic	haha mircea	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	>~	[00:01]
pankkake	it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays	[00:01]
mod6	things can be other things	[00:01]
*	mod6 ducks	[00:01]
Apocalyptic	yeah pankkake, everything is an array !	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	mod6 like urmom!	[00:02]
r3wt	the adults are talking	[00:02]
mod6	haha	[00:02]
pankkake	and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts	[00:02]
mike_c	i like how it is "optimized" for all those things	[00:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11212 @ 0.00087705 = 9.8335 BTC [+]	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	pankkake THAT'S OK MAKE EVERYTHING IN JSON A STRING	[00:02]
kakobrekla	' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string	[00:02]
pankkake	lol	[00:02]
r3wt	yea i know the difference lol	[00:02]
davout	mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator	[00:02]
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kakobrekla	dafuq you comparing a string then for	[00:02]
pankkake	I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	davout only for applications where it's not useful.	[00:03]
r3wt	because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	is a boolean an array ?	[00:03]
r3wt	the class is the wrapper	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	it should be i reckon	[00:03]
kakobrekla	array can be anything	[00:03]
Apocalyptic	lemme check	[00:03]
r3wt	oh my god	[00:03]
r3wt	array("somekey" => "somevalue");	[00:03]
davout	mircea_popescu: guess you have a point	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	if $row["hello"] ~= "false[$world]"	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	waitno	[00:04]
r3wt	how can you have a boolean in an array?	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	worldends.jpg	[00:04]
davout	derp	[00:04]
r3wt	it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid?	[00:04]
pankkake	also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something	[00:04]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));"	[00:04]
Apocalyptic	bool(false)	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	r3wt by making it a double.	[00:04]
kakobrekla	like $array['key'] = false	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	then all the bits in it are boolean.	[00:04]
davout	r3wt: why would it have to be a string??	[00:04]
r3wt	the array returns a string?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	speaking of "all the bits in it" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE	[00:05]
kakobrekla	do a var_dump($array)	[00:05]
kakobrekla	see what is what	[00:05]
Apocalyptic	r3wt, the array returns crazy things	[00:05]
Apocalyptic	be carefull with those	[00:05]
r3wt	./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false }	[00:05]
r3wt	damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo	[00:05]
davout	it does, doesn't it	[00:06]
kakobrekla	i told you 356 lineas ago	[00:06]
davout	drop your equality test and keep the if	[00:06]
davout	kakobrekla: no, me	[00:06]
kakobrekla	fuck you ill edit logs	[00:06]
davout	LOL	[00:06]
davout	i yield	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:07]
r3wt	$address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; }	[00:07]
davout	r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00087749 = 27.7726 BTC [+] {5}	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2300 @ 0.00021498 = 0.4945 BTC [+] {3}	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold.	[00:07]
mike_c	seriously... if (!$validity)	[00:07]
davout	then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"]	[00:08]
Apocalyptic	you can't do that in PHP	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	php does not allow things.	[00:08]
Jere_Jones	5.4 does	[00:08]
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davout	Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb	[00:09]
pankkake	hahaha	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	davout dumb is secure.	[00:09]
mike_c	please don't call php secure	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	qed.	[00:09]
pankkake	simple is secure, not dumb	[00:09]
davout	pankkake: word	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	simple is doumbly secure.	[00:09]
davout	PHP burns my eyes	[00:10]
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Apocalyptic	so does Perl	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test	[00:10]
mod6	na, perl?!	[00:11]
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kakobrekla		[00:12]
davout	kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	is there some system call construct in php ?	[00:12]
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mod6	haha	[00:12]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs."	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	run("hello i am running strings on your stack");	[00:12]
mike_c	http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/#philosophy	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	mike_c that's not automatically insecure.	[00:13]
ozbot	PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad	[00:13]
Apocalyptic	kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print	[00:13]
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mike_c	you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong	[00:13]
davout	"PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth	[00:14]
mike_c	it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	well sure.	[00:14]
Apocalyptic	http://phpsadness.com/sad/1	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog.	[00:14]
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davout	thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway	[00:14]
ozbot	Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness	[00:14]
mike_c	but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	this is what he thinks.	[00:15]
kakobrekla	Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	imagination has no impact on realitah still.	[00:15]
Apocalyptic	true	[00:15]
kakobrekla	echo that motherfucker.	[00:15]
peterl	who is building an exchange in php?	[00:16]
mike_c	r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2240 @ 0.000212 = 0.4749 BTC [-] {2}	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-]	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	wasn't lua supposed to be a scripting language ?	[00:16]
mike_c	it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	‣	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	see, this i will dispute.	[00:17]
mike_c	hah. please do.	[00:18]
r3wt	php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	10mn people wrote === false code that worked.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	that's like 100k man-hours.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	the time thus spent resulted in at least 3k babies,	[00:18]
davout	if (x === true) { return true; }	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers.	[00:18]
jurov	100k manboobs	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers.	[00:19]
pankkake	http://phpsadness.com/sad/1 => blame the jews	[00:19]
davout	sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this	[00:19]
ozbot	Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness	[00:19]
Namworld	=== in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 =	[00:19]
mike_c	it means "equal in type and value"	[00:19]
mike_c	double equal means "almost everything is equal"	[00:20]
davout	how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type	[00:20]
mike_c	seriously	[00:20]
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mircea_popescu	== is useless.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	‣	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	It’s not transitive. "foo" == TRUE, and	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	"foo" == 0… but, of course,	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	TRUE != 0.	[00:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2467 @ 0.00087464 = 2.1577 BTC [-]	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha this is some epic shit	[00:20]
kakobrekla	ok so:	[00:20]
kakobrekla	2	[00:20]
kakobrekla	what did i just type	[00:20]
davout	==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood!	[00:20]
kakobrekla	is it int or str	[00:21]
mike_c	int. no quotes.	[00:21]
davout	PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics	[00:21]
davout	"not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime"	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ?	[00:21]
kakobrekla	but i typed a str	[00:21]
Apocalyptic	==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability	[00:21]
mike_c	wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	== converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo"… although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when they’re not. Even JavaScript doesn’t do this.	[00:22]
blg	mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed	[00:22]
KRS-One	qbasic?	[00:22]
davout	mike_c: no, because frameworks	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	this is so great.	[00:22]
mike_c	yes, drupal will save us	[00:22]
davout	also midas	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"!	[00:23]
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davout	i don't want to live on this internet anymore	[00:23]
mike_c	kako, defend that. "133" == "0133"	[00:23]
kakobrekla	same amt of btc.	[00:24]
mike_c	lol. true.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=204433&cid=16703529	[00:24]
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ozbot	PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate.	[00:25]
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r3wt	so i should be learning python and lisp or what?	[00:26]
mike_c	sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp?	[00:26]
peterl	python is great	[00:26]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:27]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D	[00:27]
davout	r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning	[00:27]
r3wt	that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error	[00:28]
davout	but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar	[00:28]
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mircea_popescu	learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural.	[00:28]
r3wt	well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place.	[00:29]
davout	r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have	[00:29]
hanbot	fucking nonsense	[00:29]
pankkake	my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent	[00:30]
Apocalyptic	^	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i was just reading that	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	http://phpsadness.com/sad/9	[00:31]
ozbot	Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness	[00:31]
pankkake	"implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order"	[00:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087418 = 5.6822 BTC [-]	[00:31]
r3wt	yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	lol historical reasons	[00:32]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, now that's insane	[00:32]
davout	also easiest to get started with	[00:32]
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davout	procedural is easiest to comprehend	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	bitfinex	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	"volume_btc": 17716.99,	[00:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.098 = 0.49 BTC [+]	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex.	[00:33]
pankkake	r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use http://php.net/PDO especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape	[00:33]
davout	working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	"volume_percent": 30.15	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	gimme a break.	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+]	[00:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00087341 = 23.058 BTC [-] {3}	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	why would anyone include this.	[00:36]
r3wt	pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA?	[00:36]
peterl	mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price?	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho	[00:36]
Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner	[00:37]
pankkake	r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue.	[00:37]
nicknock_	mp: whats wrong about bfx?	[00:37]
r3wt	btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure	[00:37]
FabianB_	coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too	[00:37]
pankkake	autofill is evil	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	nicknock_ see mpoe-pr's scamthread	[00:37]
peterl	don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy?	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	omg they have localbitcoins	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins	[00:38]
Apocalyptic	^	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	"Rock Trading"	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ?	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00020059 = 2.0059 BTC [-] {11}	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	Vircurex doing an epic 2.13 btc	[00:38]
davout	mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this	[00:39]
davout	not saying it wouldn't be possible tho	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	davout i pay localbitcoins a fee to trade locally ?	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	how does that work lmao	[00:39]
Apocalyptic	yes mircea you do	[00:39]
Apocalyptic	1%	[00:39]
davout	i don't, know, isn't that their business model?	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea they even had a business model.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ?	[00:40]
davout	check-out this faggotry, visit the link bitcoincentral.com	[00:40]
kakobrekla	i was expecting kraken	[00:40]
davout	kakobrekla: lol	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	kraken is doing like 40 btc total.	[00:41]
kakobrekla	they also squated that much worth of domains	[00:41]
davout	somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ?	[00:41]
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mircea_popescu	there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	apparently it wasn't SUCH a good idea.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	davout about what ?	[00:42]
davout	what about what?	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	"owner about it my ip"	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far!	[00:42]
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davout	mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that bitcoincentral.com redirected to localbitcoins.com, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	why are you redirecting to him or what ?	[00:44]
benkay	davout o.0	[00:45]
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davout	it's not mah domain	[00:45]
davout	mine is with a dash	[00:45]
davout	bticoin-central.net/com	[00:45]
benkay	that's a good squat	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	o o o so he's squatting is what you mean	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	lolzy	[00:45]
benkay	what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter"	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	hahaha businessmen of egypt class of 2004	[00:46]
davout	benkay: denies at the same time, anyway	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly.	[00:47]
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mircea_popescu	jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	guess how much traffic he gets	[00:47]
benkay	sad trombone	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business"	[00:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6120 @ 0.0001921 = 1.1757 BTC [-] {12}	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	It’s not even consistent: NULL < -1, and	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	NULL == 0. Sorting is thus	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	aahahaa what	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	null srsly < -1 ?	[00:51]
davout	SQL?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	php	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	what, sql does that ? nowai.	[00:51]
benkay	but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu.	[00:51]
pankkake	http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ is the best on the subject, I found	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	benkay either that or discover more things.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	i don't imagine that list came prepopulated.	[00:51]
davout	no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL	[00:51]
ozbot	PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i was quoting from there	[00:52]
pankkake	oh :)	[00:52]
pankkake	it's actually a good resource if you want to learn php	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	some of this shit is pretty impressive.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	?: is left associative	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	"we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf?	[00:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087418 = 3.3219 BTC [+]	[00:55]
mod6	You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	because the govt kept doing this.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise.	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption?	[00:56]
davout	lol	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	further improvement : the people who obeyed sucked it	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that's planned to become delayed.	[00:57]
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davout	in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit"	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	also does Italy not want money coming there anymore?	[00:57]
davout	in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves italy thinks money has no choice	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	because all moniz lead to rome	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	or some retarded shit	[00:58]
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mircea_popescu	(really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap)	[00:58]
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ThickAsThieves	lol	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	well, bitcoin!	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	sry Italy	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one.	[01:00]
davout	"HRE" <<< ?	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	good illustration of this principle	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	holy roman empire.	[01:00]
davout	oh	[01:00]
benkay	mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit.	[01:01]
davout	ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	and sell the employees into slavery.	[01:01]
davout	computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	srsly.	[01:04]
benkay	neat to note how the spin is changing: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10165/floridas-bitcoin-sting-cast-doubt-law-enforcements-priorities-money-laundering-laws/	[01:06]
benkay	originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters"	[01:06]
benkay	now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission."	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	the sides are stiffening, we shall have battle.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	Including a file dumps its variables into the current function’s scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ?	[01:08]
benkay	stahp stahp stahp	[01:09]
benkay	leave poor php alone	[01:09]
benkay	you just don't understand!	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope	[01:09]
davout	it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	unless they were going to do something evil with it.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	davout asm ?	[01:10]
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davout	nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent)	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	for the record, mysql is equally idiotic about this.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way	[01:11]
davout	classes, functions, w/e they're all objects!	[01:11]
davout	mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works"	[01:12]
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mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[01:12]
benkay	what's eulora built in?	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	benkay php.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	srsly : it's largely c++	[01:13]
Jere_Jones	mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections)	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones sure, for the first 1k lines.	[01:14]
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Jere_Jones	I enjoy it.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08880001 = 0.5328 BTC [-] {3}	[01:17]
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Jere_Jones	If I'm lucky. :)	[01:17]
mike_c	i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful.	[01:19]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[01:20]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c whatever's in the code is currently xml-ish.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	if it rolls its own it ain't gonna be xml.	[01:20]
mike_c	xml-ish :)	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	but probably... lua. i guess.	[01:20]
benkay	HA	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora	[01:21]
mike_c	sounds like.. html!	[01:21]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[01:21]
asciilifeform	anyone remember the multi-MB nsa turd in lua?	[01:21]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ?	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform vaguely.	[01:22]
mike_c	xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict?	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	mike_c but as to the practical question...	[01:22]
asciilifeform	http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2012/06/rats-of-unusual-sizes/	[01:23]
mike_c	not sure i follow. you mean like soap?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i mean like a cheese grater or a rocket designing gui	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	that for some reason included a xml parser	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	and the thing was actually xml as opposed to xml-ish	[01:23]
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mike_c	i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate.	[01:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09899999 = 0.396 BTC [+] {2}	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v8/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.webservice.doc%2Ftopics%2Fcore%2Ftwsicomply.html	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs."	[01:25]
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ozbot	Help - Rational Application Developer	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	atrocious fucking site ibm has too	[01:25]
mike_c	hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do.	[01:27]
Jere_Jones	It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant.	[01:27]
Jere_Jones	Compliant requiring more resources.	[01:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there was genuine lua in the turd	[01:28]
asciilifeform	or did you mean something else	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd"	[01:29]
asciilifeform	ah well yes.	[01:29]
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asciilifeform	the art of turdcraft has really gone down hill, people write shit in vb even.	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	The White Hat RAT – A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: remember 'back orifice' ?	[01:31]
asciilifeform	what it was named after.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	well ya, but nevertheless.	[01:31]
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asciilifeform	yeah i never understood the appeal of giving slaves actual computers. give them graphic terminals and be done with it	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	no computers for slaves.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	http://threatpost.com/large-list-of-ftp-credentials-for-sale-in-underground-forums/104275	[01:35]
asciilifeform	someone still uses ftp!	[01:35]
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mircea_popescu	“Hacker’s cannot usually upload information to a website,	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	srsly, 7800 fpt servers, what is this, noob tv ?	[01:36]
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asciilifeform	stoopid folks are stoopid, news at 11	[01:38]
asciilifeform	who the hell pays for trojans, also	[01:38]
asciilifeform	i never understood	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the men’s room and comes out screaming.	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“Monsieur! Monsieur! What is wrong?”	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out.”	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“Ah, Monsieur “c” is for chaud, which means hot in French.”	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“But the other faucet has a ‘c’ on it too.”	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“That ‘c’ is for the English word cold.”	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“That’s crazy.”	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	“No, sir, not crazy” said the maitre d’, “We are a bilingual city.”	[01:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00087418 = 0.6119 BTC [+]	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.correctionalassociation.org/news/new-law-bans-shackling-of-incarcerated-women-in-labor	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	interesting what they need laws for.	[01:45]
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ozbot	New law bans shackling of incarcerated women in labor » Correctional Association of New York: Corre	[01:46]
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BitcoinPropagand	http://www.coindesk.com/italian-amendment-treat-bitcoin-like-cash/	[01:48]
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asciilifeform	re: 'keybase' link: brilliant honeypot	[01:52]
benkay	am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-??	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	"The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail."	[01:52]
asciilifeform	'...certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above...'	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	omfg	[01:52]
asciilifeform	'...co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase.'	[01:52]
asciilifeform	'famed artist & designer'	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	name ?	[01:53]
asciilifeform	scroll to bottom	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	i dont have the shit loaded	[01:53]
asciilifeform	keybase.io	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	sigh	[01:53]
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blg	benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users?	[01:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1410 @ 0.00020107 = 0.2835 BTC [-] {4}	[01:54]
benkay	blg yup	[01:54]
asciilifeform	Max Krohn	[01:54]
asciilifeform	co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase	[01:54]
asciilifeform	keybase.io/max	[01:54]
asciilifeform	MIT Ph.D., PDOS Group	[01:54]
asciilifeform	Chris Coyne	[01:54]
asciilifeform	co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase	[01:54]
asciilifeform	keybase.io/chris	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards	[01:54]
gribble	Error: 'Coyne' is not a valid integer.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	chriscoyne.com	[01:54]
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asciilifeform	Caroline Hadilaksono	[01:54]
asciilifeform	famed artist & designer	[01:54]
asciilifeform	keybase.io/chadilaksono	[01:54]
asciilifeform	www.hadilaksono.com	[01:54]
asciilifeform	hard-working public servants!	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	send the fingermen.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	the fucktards are the lusers.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	hell, it's exactly as dumb as 'online wallets'	[01:55]
asciilifeform	let's store private keys on this other fellow's box!	[01:55]
asciilifeform	what could go wrong.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	embrace & extinguish (TM)	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	no cause they're encrypted you know.	[01:56]
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asciilifeform	lol	[01:56]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name.	[01:56]
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mircea_popescu	o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	channelling herr moldy and orlov: '...it's not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.'	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	definitely clear you don't.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not.	[01:57]
punkman	keybase.io wants people's private keys? lulz	[01:57]
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davout	wai	[01:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]	[01:58]
asciilifeform	can't believe nobody noticed that tidbit	[01:58]
davout	srsly?	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're the first one that read the site	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	probably since its inception	[01:58]
asciilifeform	i always think, 'scroll down to where the bastard wants your keys'	[01:58]
davout	i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg	[01:59]
asciilifeform	the less dour the presentation, the more childlike the graphics, the more guaranteed.	[01:59]
punkman	I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	punkman what's wrong with, you know, the wot ?	[01:59]
davout	punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names?	[01:59]
punkman	davout, does gpg already do that?	[02:00]
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asciilifeform	'syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon.'	[02:00]
davout	punkman: i'm a heretic, i'm on osx, but the gpg i have does it, o wait, its probably zsh, stupid me	[02:00]
asciilifeform	at any rate, a beartrap is a beartrap, stick your foot in if you enjoy that kind of thing.	[02:01]
davout	but even without autocomplete you can just give the first unambiguous chars of a key name and gpg will be smart enough to pick the right one	[02:01]
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mircea_popescu	i don't get it, gpg already recognises destinations by name, email, keyd out of the box	[02:01]
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davout	works with -r and -u	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	what is the functionality sought here ?	[02:01]
davout	moar convenience i guess, but that's what you describe, gpg is smart enough if there's no ambiguity	[02:02]
asciilifeform	to entertain people with cartoons while they lay back and get pwned	[02:02]
asciilifeform	just the same as always.	[02:02]
punkman	I haven't used GPG enough then	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/raje/memories.html	[02:02]
punkman	(I am registered on WOT though)	[02:02]
ozbot	Memories of Rape	[02:02]
davout	punkman: if you're on osx chain it with pbpaste and pbcopy for extra awesomeness	[02:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.099 = 0.693 BTC [+]	[02:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0993 = 0.3972 BTC [+]	[02:06]
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punkman	davout: I never liked OSX	[02:08]
punkman	or the cloud	[02:08]
davout	or cunt	[02:08]
punkman	no I just had some cunt	[02:08]
punkman	and a tangerine	[02:08]
davout	hehe good for you	[02:08]
punkman	amazing tangerine	[02:09]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[02:09]
davout	anyway, chain gpg with whatever streams your clipboard from or to the standard input	[02:09]
benkay	(pipe)	[02:10]
davout	benkay: what, are words supposed to have a meaning now?	[02:10]
davout	well... pipe it then :-)	[02:11]
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pankkake	ceci n'est pas un pipe	[02:11]
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davout	i'll pipe pankkake to /dev/null	[02:11]
Apocalyptic	*une pipe you mean	[02:12]
pankkake	tu me fais une pipe ?	[02:12]
Apocalyptic	no chance	[02:12]
davout	https://soundcloud.com/steve-f-fernald/tumbleweed-wav	[02:12]
davout	disregard this, i perform pipes	[02:13]
pankkake	can't deny it, being a mac user and all	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	is that slang for a blowjob ?	[02:13]
pankkake	yes	[02:13]
davout	yes	[02:13]
punkman	so which ugly cunt can I diddle to get some ratings, http://oglaf.com/audition/	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	where's the cock spool one	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	http://oglaf.com/goodbehavior/	[02:15]
ozbot	good behavior	[02:15]
davout	what's a spool?	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	moulinette ?	[02:16]
benkay	that one cracks me	[02:16]
benkay	cracks me up	[02:16]
benkay	the spooling	[02:16]
benkay	my sides	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	mhm	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	(make sure you hit next page, its a 2 page one)	[02:17]
davout	mircea_popescu: https://www.google.fr/search?q=moulinette&client=firefox-a&hs=qgu&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=b6YCU7uhCOq60QXbv4GwBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1473&bih=1255	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	davout a spool is the object upon which you collect a thread	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	be it fishing line or optic fibre	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	as well as the thread thus collected	[02:17]
davout	mircea_popescu: ok	[02:17]
davout	une bobine	[02:17]
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mircea_popescu	isn't that the electric itam ?	[02:17]
davout	it's both	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	a ok.	[02:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001898 = 0.1898 BTC [-] {6}	[02:18]
davout	also used for rolling movies up	[02:18]
davout	http://www.google.fr/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=DNF&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla%3Afr%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&biw=1473&bih=1255&tbm=isch&tbnid=SofvF09zNszdLM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Failesvolantes.bessan.pagesperso-orange.fr%2Fvideo.htm&docid=IHKW5gK9P8OK6M&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Failesvolantes.bessan.pagesperso-orange.fr%2Fvideo%2Fbobine.gif&w=673&h=821&ei=rKYCU4vTNuGm0QXzwYCACA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=116&page=1&start=0&ndsp=45&ved=0CHMQrQMwBw	[02:18]
davout	that a spool too ?	[02:18]
thecapitalr	whats everyones thought on CBTC?	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	thecapitalr what's cbtc ?	[02:18]
thecapitalr	casinobitco.in	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	davout that's a reel.	[02:19]
davout	aaah	[02:19]
davout	i heard this word before	[02:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22316 @ 0.0008745 = 19.5153 BTC [+] {2}	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	thecapitalr https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5143475#msg5143475	[02:19]
thecapitalr	yeah i saw that	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	davout it exists as a verb too. to reel = to shake from side to side.	[02:19]
thecapitalr	is that legit?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean is it legit.	[02:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1773 @ 0.00018227 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {5}	[02:20]
thecapitalr	i mean are they really faking their numbers	[02:20]
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mircea_popescu	seems the linked post is made out of fairly uncontroversial and easily checked statements.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	the impugned cbtc stuff however doesn't meet the same standards.	[02:21]
punkman	anyone notice that doge-dice is making more money than just-dice?	[02:21]
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mircea_popescu	in actual btc ?	[02:22]
pankkake	because it didn't have a nakowa early on, I suppose	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00087415 = 20.3677 BTC [-] {2}	[02:22]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I think so	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	i defo never noticed that	[02:22]
pankkake	in total btc really?!	[02:22]
benkay	wow	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	how many trillions of doge does one need to bet ?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	re: reference client rewrite etc. : http://oglaf.com/chronotherapy/	[02:22]
Duffer1	thecapitalr just keep your btc bro	[02:23]
thecapitalr	what do you mean? i own shares in the company already im thinking bout selling them	[02:23]
Duffer1	oh	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ahahaha epic	[02:23]
Duffer1	personally, I'd sell	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	thecapitalr you bought at 18 or w/e it was ?	[02:23]
thecapitalr	i bought two weeks ago at 18	[02:24]
pankkake	I bought months ago at 18. I sold	[02:24]
pankkake	well, 18 then 13, but.	[02:24]
kakobrekla	!t h cbtc	[02:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00018001 / 0.0002106 / 0.00024700 (120310 shares, 25.33788095 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.0001689 / 0.00025999 (1044852 shares, 176.47235917 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00013876 / 0.00025999 (2428517 shares, 336.98324991 BTC)	[02:25]
thecapitalr	ok thanks guys i gotta go ill probably sell it sketchs me out	[02:25]
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pankkake	what's sketchy? I'm not following	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	thecapitalr as i usually say to people, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511169	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	why ask two weeks after rather than two weeks before ?	[02:28]
asciilifeform	parachute theorem.	[02:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09915 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2}	[02:29]
thecapitalr	ha cause i just found this chat room	[02:31]
thecapitalr	and i thought that it was a good buy until i read that post on bitcointalk...	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	:p	[02:31]
asciilifeform	http://oglaf.com/game-death	[02:33]
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ozbot	Game of Death	[02:33]
asciilifeform	provably fair: http://oglaf.com/bugfuck	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	http://media.oglaf.com/comic/legacy.jpg << obama's dream.	[02:35]
punkman	http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=OG-BOOK01&Category_Code=OG	[02:35]
asciilifeform	gorbama.	[02:35]
ozbot	TopatoCo: Oglaf Book One (Adults Only)	[02:35]
punkman	oglaf deserves some love	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	punkman i agree. sadly they don't respond to emails and don't have a (working) relationship with an agent and don't fuck anyone i fuck and so on.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	consequently, the love will have to wait cause im not about to give topatoco w/e 20 dollars so some people i like can make 30 cents	[02:36]
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peterl	does oglaf have a bitcoin donation address?	[02:37]
punkman	I gifted a book to a friend, not sure she appreciated it	[02:37]
peterl	xkcd does, I have donated	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	peterl whatever they have they don't pass the openbsd test	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	i guess much in the way thepiratebay doesn't.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	people will have to learn to do this.	[02:37]
punkman	no word from piratebay yet?	[02:37]
peterl	what is the openbsd test?	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	peterl: Are you capable of accepting money for having done a good job pretty much.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	the openbsd test is a venue where i can go hi take me to your leader and they do.	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+]	[02:38]
mike_c	!t h rent	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (337 shares, 1.85350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5354 shares, 29.44700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (32725 shares, 179.98750000 BTC)	[02:38]
peterl	is that how openbsd got a bunch of money from you, by passing the test?	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't HAVE to be an irc chan, but that's prolly the simplest implementation.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	peterl yeah.	[02:39]
pankkake	weird as they even mention the channel https://thepiratebay.se/contact	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#498636	[02:42]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	and also if anyone actually manages to get in contact,	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/	[02:43]
pankkake	someone told you to use exoclick?	[02:43]
ozbot	The strange case of the delusionist and later stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	'dog sees master as large dog' theorem.	[02:44]
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mircea_popescu	"equal sized dog of same gender and age"	[02:44]
asciilifeform	right	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	pankkake its what they use atm.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	and since we're taking wired, blaze, washington post and all the rest of the crap, here's some interesting internets newz :	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2552177/Forget-Internet-soon-OUTERNET-Company-plans-beam-free-wi-fi-person-Earth-space.html	[02:45]
pankkake	sure, but the form has a "ad inquiries" choice	[02:45]
ozbot	New York company says it can beam free OUTERNET Wi-fi to every person on Earth \| Mail Online	[02:46]
asciilifeform	why dignify this horror with a link ?	[02:46]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: is wifi from satellite even feasible?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's about on par with all the other media crap	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	you see a difference ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	punkman sure it is. in the sense the sec and italian govt and everything else are feasible,	[02:47]
asciilifeform	it comes with an extra helping of insult to the intelligence of a five-year-old ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	i would guess beaming skittles from mars is also feasible.	[02:47]
punkman	how is my puny wifi card gonna talk back to the sat though?	[02:47]
pankkake	so trees stop wifi but space doesn't!	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	power of wifi frindsheep ?	[02:48]
punkman	myeah	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	it's one way internet	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	like cable tv.	[02:48]
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asciilifeform	i suppose there, somewhere in the jungles, there still lives a fellow who has seen neither end of a satellite tx/rx.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	kinda what verizon and etc have been trying to build all along	[02:48]
asciilifeform	(the physical ends.)	[02:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00087372 = 29.6191 BTC [-] {2}	[02:51]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/netad.jpg	[02:51]
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Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, where is that horror from ?	[02:52]
asciilifeform	i honestly can't remember where i lifted it	[02:52]
asciilifeform	the original seems to have vanished into the aether.	[02:52]
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asciilifeform	http://oglaf.com/riteofpassage	[02:56]
ozbot	Rite of Passage	[02:56]
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mircea_popescu	http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/ << the habeas corpus series made me irlol	[02:56]
ozbot	habeas corpus	[02:56]
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peterl	if MP is reacing out to do advertisements, should we expect the price of S.MPOE to go up soon?	[02:57]
Apocalyptic	peterl, are you really expecting an answer to that ?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	either that or down.	[02:57]
peterl	;)	[02:58]
punkman1	mircea_popescu: is this month gonna have more new accounts than previous one?	[02:58]
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mircea_popescu	i guess we see when the reports come neh ?	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	http://media.oglaf.com/comic/vorpal_blade.jpg << this chicks got really nice tits.	[03:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00087665 = 33.2689 BTC [+] {3}	[03:04]
asciilifeform	meanwhile, at ft. meade: http://oglaf.com/trapmaster	[03:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087349 = 6.0271 BTC [-]	[03:11]
ThickAsThieves	that's the cartoon of Altcoin	[03:12]
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thecapitalr	you guys like neobee?	[03:19]
thecapitalr	i threw .2 BTC into it a while back... not a whole lot obviously but enough to test the waters	[03:20]
benkay	what ams even neobee	[03:20]
kakobrekla	thecapitalr http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43	[03:20]
benkay	if you're operating at the interface of fiat and bitcoin, you're going to have a bad time.	[03:20]
benkay	i'm much more of a niobe kinda guy	[03:21]
benkay	http://www.artrenewal.org/artwork/312/2312/10262/the_daughters_of_niobe-large.jpg	[03:21]
benkay	'cause you know	[03:21]
benkay	TITS	[03:21]
thecapitalr	lmao	[03:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22136 @ 0.00087326 = 19.3305 BTC [-] {2}	[03:23]
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benkay	ThickAsThieves: what is the actual deal with Neobee after all?	[03:28]
kakobrekla	wait now i get it	[03:28]
kakobrekla	nubbins pissed cause neobee doesnt use him to print their shits	[03:29]
benkay	actualy neobee is a great name	[03:30]
pankkake	Neo & Bee	[03:31]
benkay	It was on occasion of the annual celebration in honor of Latona and her offspring, Apollo and Diana, when the people of Thebes were assembled, their brows crowned with laurel, bearing frankincense to the altars and paying their vows, that Niobe appeared among the crowd. Her attire was splendid with gold and gems, and her face as beautiful as the face of an angry woman can be. She stood and surveyed the people with haughty looks. "What	[03:31]
benkay	folly," said she, "is this! to prefer beings whom you never saw to those who stand before your eyes! Why should Latona be honored with worship rather than I? My father was Tantalus, who was received as a guest at the table of the gods; my mother was a goddess. My husband built and rules this city, Thebes; and Phrygia is my paternal inheritance. Wherever I turn my eyes I survey the elements of my power; nor is my form and presence	[03:31]
benkay	unworthy of a goddess. To all this let me add, I have seven sons and seven daughters, and look for sons-in-law and daughters-in-law of pretensions worthy of my alliance. Have I not cause for pride? Will you prefer to me this Latona, the Titan's daughter, with her two children? I have seven times as many. Fortunate indeed am I, and fortunate I shall remain! Will any one deny this?	[03:31]
benkay	oh pastebin	[03:31]
benkay	sorry guys	[03:31]
thecapitalr	i sitll like them... interested in seeing what happens on the 23rd after their ipo runs out	[03:31]
benkay	anyways, point is some mortal gets arrogant and struck down by the gods	[03:32]
benkay	thecapitalr: what were the terms of their ipo? "buy our stock at this price, trading begins on this date"?	[03:32]
benkay	three month gap between first stock on sale and first public trade?	[03:32]
thecapitalr	im not sure.. i honestly am just learning.. I know that their IPO price on LMB holdings is .003 but you have been able to trade it on havelock for a while. The price on havelock is also ~.003	[03:33]
thecapitalr	they are not selling it on LMB after the 23rd	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00087123 = 34.5007 BTC [-]	[03:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06882355 = 1.17 BTC [+] {4}	[03:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00087077 = 22.4659 BTC [-]	[03:41]
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benkay	i dunno man	[03:50]
benkay	i just don't see the genius, thecapitalr	[03:50]
benkay	i just don't see any good reason to move my btc into neo/bee's pockets	[03:50]
pankkake	I think it's the other way. you move your EURs	[03:51]
pankkake	if they manage to have many merchants in cyprus, why not?	[03:51]
pankkake	though the question is… what has bitcoin to do with it	[03:52]
benkay	i have 1 investment.	[03:52]
benkay	btc.	[03:52]
benkay	some speculative plays in mpoe, nsa	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00086994 = 25.2283 BTC [-]	[03:53]
benkay	the fundamentals of neo/bee are horrible compared to the btc fundamentals.	[03:53]
pankkake	s.nsa is mostly an investment in btc at this point :)	[03:53]
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benkay	it's got a nice bottom	[03:53]
benkay	HEYO	[03:53]
pankkake	I'm not discussing the merits of neo&bee as an investment	[03:53]
benkay	and by bottom i mean foundation?	[03:53]
herbijudlestoids	hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price	[03:53]
benkay	o i am.	[03:53]
Apocalyptic	heh	[03:53]
benkay	what ams even blog, herbijudlestoids?	[03:54]
pankkake	yeah, but I think we would agree on it, so, nothing else to say ;)	[03:54]
herbijudlestoids	http://bitquant.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/intrinsic-value-and-smpoe-market.html	[03:54]
Alex_Vertiez	wtf is this chat	[03:54]
benkay	chasing that -assets economics award?	[03:54]
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benkay	blogspot?!	[03:54]
ozbot	bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth	[03:54]
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herbijudlestoids	enjoy :)	[03:55]
herbijudlestoids	feedback appreciated	[03:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00087087 = 26.039 BTC [+] {2}	[03:56]
pankkake	TL;DR	[03:56]
benkay	har trolling business partner	[03:57]
benkay	"it has curly braces! it must be javascript!"	[03:57]
benkay	regarding 'go'	[04:01]
benkay	the least google-able programming language.	[04:02]
pankkake	golang	[04:03]
pankkake	http://money.cnn.com/1999/07/12/deals/disney/	[04:04]
ozbot	Disney absorbs Infoseek - Jul. 12, 1999	[04:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00087245 = 38.0388 BTC [+] {3}	[04:11]
benkay	i know pankkake - still a horrible name	[04:11]
KRS-One	makes me think of flat woman tits	[04:15]
KRS-One	.bait	[04:15]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/e715b07435a41e84b6ab8361bc2c319b/tumblr_moqnk9qvtP1r563rvo1_1280.jpg	[04:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 85 @ 0.00480078 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {4}	[04:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 214 @ 0.00472864 = 1.0119 BTC [-] {8}	[04:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 76 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3572 BTC [-] {2}	[04:29]
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nubbins`	punkman1	[04:32]
nubbins`	curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/CF2950F23C844002 \| gpg -d \| pbcopy	[04:33]
nubbins`	replacing my OTPS url with yours, obv	[04:33]
nubbins`	wait, no, i mean davout	[04:34]
nubbins`	kakobrekla, tsk, accusing me of such things ;D	[04:36]
nubbins`	Namworld, chess?	[04:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13242 @ 0.00087415 = 11.5755 BTC [+]	[04:40]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, wanna play ?	[04:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28806 @ 0.00086993 = 25.0592 BTC [-] {2}	[04:41]
nubbins`	yeah, just gimme a couple minutes to set up	[04:41]
benkay	u guys why ams even database password?	[04:43]
benkay	so much cargo cult	[04:43]
Apocalyptic	searching for nubbins`... I end up with http://www.chess.com/members/search?name=nubbins&country=	[04:43]
benkay	crazy rando db password 'cause what if cluster am breachified	[04:43]
benkay	password which is in source control.	[04:43]
nubbins`	that's not me, i don't have a chess.com account	[04:43]
Apocalyptic	was refering to the dog though	[04:44]
nubbins`	haha	[04:44]
nubbins`	not bad	[04:44]
nubbins`	anyway, if you hadn't offered to play, i would have burned my bread. just grabbed it in time	[04:45]
nubbins`	you want white or black?	[04:45]
pankkake	benkay: well don't put it in your source control silly	[04:45]
nubbins`	or should we flip a ;;coin	[04:45]
Apocalyptic	go ahead and flip	[04:46]
nubbins`	you call it!	[04:46]
benkay	pankkake: i'm talking about everyone else out there	[04:46]
benkay	and also ssh keys all the thing	[04:46]
pankkake	I haven't seen it much, but maybe because I usually influence those things	[04:47]
Apocalyptic	;;coin	[04:47]
gribble	heads	[04:47]
Apocalyptic	means i'm white	[04:47]
pankkake	a lot of frameworks allow you to keep some things separate easily	[04:47]
nubbins`	works for me	[04:47]
Apocalyptic	c4	[04:48]
benkay	i mean i just don't get it	[04:48]
nubbins`	c5	[04:48]
Apocalyptic	Nc3	[04:48]
benkay	unless you have the rigor to do a '12f' application, don't fuck around with cargocult 12fa	[04:48]
benkay	just lock the boxes with ssh and go smoke a bowl breh	[04:48]
nubbins`	e5	[04:48]
Apocalyptic	e4	[04:49]
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decimation	ugh. reading net.cpp from bitcoind that asciilifeform pointed out yesterday is a crazy mess	[04:49]
decimation	random locks everwhere	[04:49]
benkay	link!	[04:49]
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benkay	i demand a link	[04:49]
nubbins`	Ng6	[04:49]
pankkake	eh. postgres does not even require passwords, provided the querying user is in the right group or something	[04:49]
decimation	optimization for supposedly transparent features	[04:49]
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benkay	see? it's great.	[04:50]
benkay	unpassword all the things	[04:50]
benkay	secure acces with *nix roles and ssh	[04:50]
benkay	sufficient for like 90% of cases	[04:50]
pankkake	I use tunnels for a lot of things	[04:50]
benkay	problem is everyone wants to think they're in the 10% of cases that need rigor	[04:50]
Apocalyptic	Ng6 << illegal move	[04:50]
pankkake	(not necessarily SSH tunnels)	[04:50]
nubbins`	sorry, Nf6	[04:50]
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benkay	i keep a repl in production	[04:50]
Apocalyptic	d3	[04:51]
benkay	<- kidding	[04:51]
benkay	(sorta)	[04:51]
pankkake	and yeah, authentication on the protocol level is usually useless, redundant, and a liability (i.e. "can you really rely on it")	[04:51]
pankkake	I would never open a mysql server to the world, always use a tunnel	[04:51]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids> hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price <<< lawl	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	see, it werks!	[04:53]
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nubbins`	Nc6	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	of course, blogspot can never qualify for assnob price	[04:53]
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nubbins`	don't hate on the man's hosting!	[04:54]
pankkake	blogger makes static files and easily exportable data. not much to hate.	[04:54]
Apocalyptic	Bg5	[04:55]
pankkake	except it's from The Google	[04:55]
nubbins`	pff, as if staying away from blogger is going to make a difference there	[04:55]
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mircea_popescu	decimation glad you're having fun :D	[04:55]
nubbins`	blogspot, even	[04:55]
pankkake	herbiju*: I'll provite leet hosting for a 5% cut of the prize	[04:55]
benkay	wake up nubbins	[04:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00087487 = 18.8097 BTC [+] {2}	[04:56]
benkay	it's 2014 nao	[04:56]
pankkake	it's tumblr now?	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	pankkake the extent of your demands makes roses wilt in the fields.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	srsly, static filed and "easily" exportable data ? that's it ?	[04:56]
nubbins`	Be7	[04:57]
nubbins`	benkay, 20-what?	[04:57]
pankkake	it means you are free to move elsewhere quickly	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[04:57]
nubbins`	WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN :D	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	so if i rape you with a door open that's good enough.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	whenever you're done taking it in the ass you can move quickly	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	with a prolapsed colon and barefoot down the street.	[04:57]
pankkake	but how can blogger rape?	[04:57]
nubbins`	hah	[04:58]
Apocalyptic	Nf3	[04:58]
nubbins`	^ fair question	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dood. say by putting a link TO THEMSELVES on your shit.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	say by deciding which of your articles need a special click through page.	[04:58]
pankkake	the second you don't like it you can move out	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	say by disqus-ing your commenters avant disqus was invented even	[04:58]
nubbins`	Qd7	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	i bet that's how disqus was born, some ycombinated heads were sitting around and one went	[04:58]
nubbins`	sorry, Qc7	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	'you know what'd be really retarded ? if we made blogspot-style comment forms like a stand alone"	[04:59]
pankkake	typically disqus is shit because you don't have control of the comments	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	that second was in 1997.	[04:59]
benkay	maintain all files locally.	[04:59]
benkay	generate html	[04:59]
nubbins`	^	[04:59]
benkay	push to arbitrary box.	[04:59]
pankkake	disqus exists because static blog generators didn't resolve the comments part; and making the result worse in the end!	[04:59]
pankkake	and until I have a mail-to-comment gateway, I'm sticking to wordpress	[05:00]
Apocalyptic	Bxf6	[05:00]
benkay	yeah the comment engine thing is a problem	[05:00]
benkay	not really a big problem in the grand scheme of things	[05:00]
nubbins`	Bxf6	[05:00]
benkay	but still leads to all sorts of derpage in public like disqus	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly ? "next blog" ?	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	how is this bullshit even allowed to exist ?	[05:01]
Apocalyptic	Nd5	[05:01]
nubbins`	wordpress is okay	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	blog on blogspot, make a yahoo stores shop, bank with paypal, wtf is this, reddit ?!	[05:02]
nubbins`	Qa5+	[05:02]
benkay	re: variety speak	[05:02]
benkay	variety speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-atNakMWw	[05:02]
pankkake	wordpress.COM has much less shit	[05:02]
pankkake	and well, you can go from the .com to your own instance	[05:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 140 @ 0.0055 = 0.77 BTC	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	"This video is unavailable."	[05:03]
nubbins`	honestly the only hassle with wordpress.com is trying to funnel both your email and your web traffic through the same domain	[05:03]
nubbins`	inexplicably complicated	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	they too lazy to properly set up zones or something	[05:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00087709 = 2.048 BTC [+]	[05:04]
nubbins`	ehh, more likely that they'd just prefer you use wordpress.org instead	[05:04]
nubbins`	can't have too many features in the trial version	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	these too not necessarily contradictory :p	[05:04]
Apocalyptic	Nd2	[05:05]
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nubbins`	Bg5Bg5	[05:08]
nubbins`	i mean uh, half of that	[05:08]
nubbins`	stopped to make sure it was a good move ;(	[05:09]
asciilifeform	q: any of you folks ever bitflipfuzz the referenceclient ?	[05:09]
asciilifeform	(or know of someone who has)	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it is actually remarkably stable to fuzzed chains	[05:10]
Apocalyptic	Be2	[05:10]
benkay	get a room, you two	[05:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not classical fuzz, understand. bitflips.	[05:11]
asciilifeform	in arbitrary space.	[05:11]
asciilifeform	incl. instructions.	[05:11]
nubbins`	0-0	[05:11]
MisterE	like bitrot?	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	also http://vampires.wikia.com/wiki/The_Vampire_Dictionary	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you mean what, in the code ?	[05:11]
asciilifeform	correct.	[05:12]
Apocalyptic	f4	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	i dunno anyone actually did this, may make for a good blogpost	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	why, found anything interesting ?	[05:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/UBbKmto.png	[05:12]
asciilifeform	mathematical view of this: what is the 'mutation-space' surrounding the 'correct' state like.	[05:12]
nubbins`	Bh4+	[05:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00087803 = 1.4048 BTC [+]	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform somehow in my mental organisation what you propose comes way after a spec	[05:13]
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asciilifeform	see, ex: 'bit-squatting'	[05:13]
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Apocalyptic	g3	[05:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07299999 = 1.095 BTC [-] {2}	[05:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 153 @ 0.07344999 = 11.2378 BTC [+] {3}	[05:15]
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nubbins`	Be7	[05:17]
nubbins`	maybe the worst move possible	[05:17]
Apocalyptic	fxe5	[05:18]
Apocalyptic	one of the worse indeed	[05:18]
nubbins`	not what i was expecting you to do. d6	[05:19]
kakobrekla	benkay at least its not jewtube links	[05:20]
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Apocalyptic	Nxe7+	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00087844 = 6.5005 BTC [+] {2}	[05:22]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[05:28]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[05:28]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[05:28]
Apocalyptic	Rf4	[05:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1865 @ 0.00087803 = 1.6375 BTC [-]	[05:29]
nubbins`	Rae8	[05:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2}	[05:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}	[05:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}	[05:31]
Apocalyptic	Nb3	[05:31]
nubbins`	Qa4	[05:32]
Apocalyptic	Rh4	[05:33]
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nubbins`	Be6	[05:35]
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Apocalyptic	Nxc5	[05:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]	[05:36]
nubbins`	bold	[05:36]
nubbins`	b5	[05:38]
nubbins`	maybe the second worst move possible	[05:38]
Apocalyptic	what	[05:38]
Apocalyptic	Nxa4	[05:38]
nubbins`	xa4	[05:39]
Apocalyptic	Qxa4	[05:39]
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nubbins`	Rc6	[05:41]
nubbins`	sorry, Rc8	[05:41]
asciilifeform	http://i.imgur.com/z5OXztS.jpg	[05:42]
asciilifeform	'guess the gadget'	[05:42]
Apocalyptic	Bg4	[05:42]
nubbins`	hologram machine	[05:43]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: close.	[05:43]
nubbins`	always the bridesmaid, never the bride	[05:43]
nubbins`	g5	[05:44]
asciilifeform	'selective plane illumination' microscope. not relevant to anything, except that the photo inevitably leads to the thought, 'hate to be the one caught in an airport search with this.'	[05:44]
Apocalyptic	Bxe6	[05:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0008699 = 5.1394 BTC [-]	[05:44]
nubbins`	unless it's a canadian airport	[05:45]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipe-bomb-handed-back-to-passenger-skylar-murphy-by-airport-guard-1.2497650	[05:45]
ozbot	Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News	[05:45]
nubbins`	xe6	[05:45]
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Apocalyptic	Rh5	[05:46]
nubbins`	Ne5	[05:50]
Apocalyptic	Qxa7	[05:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7269 @ 0.00087031 = 6.3263 BTC [+]	[05:51]
nubbins`	Nxd3	[05:52]
Apocalyptic	Qxh7#	[05:53]
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Apocalyptic	gg, was bleeding you slowly	[05:53]
nubbins`	gg, didn't even see that coming :D	[05:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42883 @ 0.00087653 = 37.5882 BTC [+]	[06:02]
ThickAsThieves	amusing http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3217394420001/lack-of-stability-making-bitcoin-too-risky-for-investors/#sp=show-clips	[06:02]
ThickAsThieves	it has Bitcorn, the only naysayer from the NY hearings	[06:02]
ThickAsThieves	what an unfortunate name	[06:02]
nubbins`	wait	[06:02]
nubbins`	that's his actual name?	[06:02]
ThickAsThieves	maybe not	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[06:03]
nubbins`	heh, had to check. apparently not :(	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	he called it Bitcorn	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	thats how he got the name, ok	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	he says some lies	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	but isnt totally predictab;e	[06:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00470133 = 2.3507 BTC [-] {7}	[06:10]
mike_c	i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :)	[06:14]
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benkay	dat kabbalah	[06:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0997 = 0.2991 BTC [+]	[06:17]
mike_c	;;later tell herbijudlestoids it would be interesting to analyze s.mpoe price based on 2012 earnings and then see how that analysis would have performed over 2013.	[06:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:18]
benkay	back test all the things	[06:19]
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mircea_popescu	i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) >> pretty much it.	[06:30]
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herbijudlestoids	guise, i setup a page to grep the log.bitcoin-assets for mentions of my name	[06:31]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: if what you quoted is what you took away from the blog post, i guess i must suck at communicating.	[06:32]
mike_c	you said priced efficiently, no?	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	dude.	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	i said, if we assume, for the sake of an experiment, that the market has priced efficiently, then this is what its implying as EPS growth	[06:32]
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herbijudlestoids	theres nowhere that says its overvalued. the point is, you get paid a decent long term return if the implied EPS is <= actual future EPS. if its > then you dont.	[06:34]
herbijudlestoids	if you can somehow prove the price is (or isnt) locally efficient, then we can talk about how informative the price is	[06:35]
mike_c	"We are talking a range of 126% - 170% here" << i read into this a tone saying it was too high. not what you were implying?	[06:37]
mike_c	"that the Market Implied EPS Growth rate for S.MPOE is very, very high."	[06:38]
herbijudlestoids	...	[06:38]
mike_c	very very seems to be impying too high :)	[06:38]
herbijudlestoids	rest of the paragraph	[06:38]
herbijudlestoids	"This premium over normal fair values (compare to our earlier SPY example) assigned by the market under assumptions that EPS growth will be very large. Investors who pay the premium today will be rewarded with reasonable returns only if the actual future EPS growth averages at or above this level for a significant period of time. Otherwise the investment can reasonably be expected to provide a poor long term retur	[06:38]
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benkay	the curse of technical fields	[06:39]
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herbijudlestoids	is it really so hard to understand?	[06:39]
benkay	humans operating in those fields frequently lose the ability to communicate with others outside of those narrow, ultraspecialized fields.	[06:40]
mike_c	i don't care if you are saying it was too high, you are entitled to your opinion.	[06:40]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: im not saying too high lol, im saying this is what the market is implying EPS growth will be	[06:40]
mike_c	so you have no opinion on the price? you are just a calculator?	[06:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0053544 = 0.2624 BTC [-]	[06:40]
mike_c	have an opinion!	[06:40]
herbijudlestoids	i love people who love quants	[06:41]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: whether or not i have an opinion really has shit all to do with the article	[06:41]
mike_c	ok, so forget the article. i am curious what your opinion is.	[06:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.0008755 = 44.0377 BTC [-] {2}	[06:41]
benkay	your opinion is what differentiates you from a calculator	[06:41]
benkay	quants like programmers want to be valued because they can make the numbers do stuff	[06:42]
benkay	but nearly always forget that the interpretation is where the real money's at	[06:42]
benkay	so: herbijudlestoids: mpoe: overpriced or no?	[06:42]
herbijudlestoids	you guys sure are weird sometimes. benkay, the point of the article is to highlight things that people might not know about. if i had some info or opinoin that MPOE was undervalued or overvalued, why would i put it on the blog for morons to see instead of just buying or selling MPOE?	[06:42]
mike_c	why not do both? talk your book.	[06:43]
benkay	'cause nobody's going to read your blog	[06:43]
Duffer1	Herbi you should paywall your blog, make them work for it ^.^	[06:43]
benkay	yeah and talk your book	[06:43]
herbijudlestoids	fucken fuck so weird	[06:43]
benkay	what's weird about talking your book?	[06:43]
herbijudlestoids	no	[06:43]
herbijudlestoids	your atittude	[06:43]
herbijudlestoids	its weird	[06:43]
chetty	not greedy enough?	[06:43]
mike_c	you want an opinion out of me? s.nsa is underpriced. go ahead and trade on it.	[06:44]
benkay	hell yeah nsa's underpriced	[06:44]
benkay	get super long nsa	[06:44]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: well it depends i guess. mircea_popescu was telling me something about 1% being the natural RoR in bitcoin under one calculation but in a different calculation 1000s of %	[06:45]
herbijudlestoids	if we are operating under assumption of bitcoin economy, i would say its fairly priced, not undervalued	[06:45]
benkay	loglink? herbijudlestoids	[06:45]
mike_c	add those thoughts to your post. it will improve it. blog readers like opinions with their stats.	[06:45]
Duffer1	herbi got a twitter feed?	[06:46]
herbijudlestoids	i do but its not bitcoin related Duffer1	[06:46]
mike_c	if your opinions can be as polarizing as mp's you can even charge for it.	[06:46]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: see that is useful feedback which i appreciate. your earlier comments just get my grill.	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	fwiw, i don't think the entire "growth" bs is worth two shits.	[06:47]
herbijudlestoids	misread the post, misunderstood the point, derogate me based on that	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	a high price in btc does not reflect an expectation of that thing to grow.	[06:47]
mike_c	you gotta thicken your skin a bit. you get riled too easy.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	to make eps etc comparisons between btc and fiat, fiat must first be converted on a % of m3 basis.	[06:47]
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herbijudlestoids	there is no fiat involved and i explicitly state so at the end of the article	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	so inasmuch as google is worth 1% of all dollars today and 1% of all dollars in 2050, a high price of google stock is warranted at all points because google is important	[06:48]
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mircea_popescu	imaginary "growth" in the interim notwithstanding.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids seems to me all notions of growth are imported from fiat.	[06:48]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: all securities have an internal rate of return	[06:49]
herbijudlestoids	if the price of S.MPOE does not include growth, then why am i paying more than its dividend value for it?	[06:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.07838228 = 2.7434 BTC [-] {6}	[06:49]
herbijudlestoids	because its important?	[06:49]
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mircea_popescu	yep.	[06:50]
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mircea_popescu	forget rate of return, focus on rate of conservation.	[06:50]
Duffer1	do you post that info anywhere MP?	[06:51]
herbijudlestoids	rate of conservation of ?	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	what info ?	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids of btc.	[06:52]
Duffer1	conversion rate	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	well it's all highly speculative, nobody has the first inkling wtf is going on here.	[06:52]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: why do i need to buy a security then? the rate of conservation for holding bitcoin is 100%	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	but im attacking herbi because he's much too immersed into fiat nonsense.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so you think. it is not.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	it's 9x% depending how competent you are with wallets and whatnot.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	why do people bet on bitbet ? "so they can't spend the btc", sez someone yest.	[06:53]
herbijudlestoids	and investing in MPOE has ...a better rate of conservation?	[06:53]
herbijudlestoids	...	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	it may.	[06:53]
chetty	well mine has this silly habit of growing when I don't look too often :)	[06:54]
mike_c	plus inflation. bitcoins in the sofa will shrink on a % basis.	[06:54]
herbijudlestoids	chetty: your bitcoins grow?	[06:54]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio	[06:54]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	mike_c this is actually true, tho at the rate we're going by the time btc moneyness reaches balance the remaining inflation will indeed be very low	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	but i suspect this is the overarching point here : 1% gains over a century are immense,	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	1% losses over a century are disastrous.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	none of the 15% a year fiat bs.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	btc time machine.	[06:55]
herbijudlestoids	so are you gonna explain it or do i just wallow in my retardedness	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids ask and be enlightened!	[06:56]
herbijudlestoids	im asking. you said focus on rate of conservation...i fail to see why i would invest in any security in that case, rather than investing in good wallet practices etc	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	you could invest in good wallet practices just as well	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	from what i gather in this chan most do.	[06:57]
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mircea_popescu	apparently you don't ask very good q's :D	[06:57]
herbijudlestoids	youre saying something like...the rate of return is not important, this other rate, the rate at which an economic activity can "conserve" bitcoins	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, let's consider the historical case as it played out. s.mpoe vs pmbs	[06:58]
ThickAsThieves	so much work to say mpoe is spensive	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	which is pretty much what everything else is, with sparse exception.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	a pmb will reward X% per interval, and decay Y% per interval, with Y > X for all cases.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	mpoe is so structured shareholders can only make a gain. thus Y > 0, X =0.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	trying to compare those Ys with these Ys misses both points.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	X is actually more important than Y.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	no other business in the history of business sits in this position of "can only turn a profit"	[07:00]
ThickAsThieves	well...	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	consequently models developed for evaluating what are fundamentally pmbs can not usefully be applied.	[07:00]
ThickAsThieves	can only lot lose money, maybe	[07:00]
ThickAsThieves	not*	[07:01]
ThickAsThieves	but even then	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, isuppose it can also be 0.	[07:01]
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mircea_popescu	for that matter, even the s.mpoe mkt cap comparison to an actual comp is broken.	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	you'd have to compare s.mpoe mkt cap with an actual corp's mktcap - book value	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	altho that's also not quite accurate.	[07:02]
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ThickAsThieves	for an many things as herb covered he only scratched the surface	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	in short... this is a complete nonsensical mess of wires sticking out.	[07:02]
Bugpowdurr	mircea_popescu: Q about exercise	[07:02]
ThickAsThieves	the answer is obvious nayway	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr shoot.	[07:02]
ThickAsThieves	there's only one way to price mpoe	[07:02]
ThickAsThieves	at market	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	up ? lol	[07:03]
ThickAsThieves	tada!	[07:03]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you enlightened any yet ?	[07:03]
Bugpowdurr	If there are 3000 contracts of an option outstanding sold to bot, then another user creates another 500 contracts, and then exercises them without selling them, does that force the exercise of a fraction of the previously sold options?	[07:04]
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mircea_popescu	in principle yes.	[07:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00087279 = 5.2367 BTC [-]	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	atm the entire option thing is quarantined because of the price signal bs	[07:06]
ThickAsThieves	when wasnt it bs?	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	this is finance. bs is fine until it smells.	[07:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00087258 = 15.4752 BTC [-] {2}	[07:07]
ThickAsThieves	!b 3	[07:07]
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Bugpowdurr	So exercising in borkled right now?	[07:07]
ThickAsThieves	this seems odd to me	[07:08]
Bugpowdurr	And in theory, a 3rd party could force exercise of someone else's short position by mkopt -> exercise chains?	[07:08]
ThickAsThieves	to buy options, and not have options	[07:08]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: dude. i did not say MPOE was expensive.	[07:09]
ThickAsThieves	i did	[07:09]
ThickAsThieves	that;s what i took from it as well	[07:09]
ThickAsThieves	overpriced, tomatoe	[07:10]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: if the price i pay today for MPOE is more than the total amount of gains that MPOE can bring in over say, 10 years, then it is a bad investment for people looking for assets to invest in for 10 years	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr how would they force someone's short position anyway ?	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	normally executions are distributed to actual held options randomly, but atm im holding the pre 14th set apart.	[07:11]
ThickAsThieves	10 years?	[07:11]
Bugpowdurr	"Bear in mind that whenever someone exercises options of your symbol you will be allocated a portion of the executions corresponding to your total share of created contracts for that symbol. Thus if you create 100 O.BTCUSD.C50T and someone else creates 150, in case there's an execution of 50 contracts you will be assigned 20 of those."	[07:11]
mike_c	hm	[07:11]
herbijudlestoids	no?	[07:11]
ThickAsThieves	that's like 100years in bitcoin	[07:11]
mike_c	you know you can sell it when you're done, right?	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids only if mpoe is to close shop in 10 years.	[07:11]
Bugpowdurr	I was thinking that someone could deduce whether the whale short the puts had been stopped out by MKOPT / EXERCISE a number of options and see how many were assigned to him vs. other.	[07:12]
ThickAsThieves	herb the problem with all that really is you can't apply your numbers without making assumptions, but in fact, only one assumption can be made, you're making too many assumptions	[07:12]
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mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr in principle this should work.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	not in the case at hand tho.	[07:13]
Bugpowdurr	but doesn't at the moment due to unannounced options segregation	[07:13]
Bugpowdurr	Damn.	[07:13]
Bugpowdurr	Also damn, I'm on a network that doesn't let me send BTC.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: if im dependent on the ask price at end of life then its a speculation not investment	[07:14]
mike_c	well, that was part of his point. the pmb will necessarily decay. mpoe won't.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	so, S.MPOE priced at 100BTC per share is just as good an investment as S.MPOE at 0.0000001 per share then	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	is that what youre claiming?	[07:14]
mike_c	i'm not claiming that.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	i must be a complete moron	[07:14]
mike_c	well you are a quant :) (don't get mad now)	[07:14]
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herbijudlestoids	...	[07:14]
mike_c	hm, try this. would s.mpoe returning 1% a year be the same to you as 7C returning 1% a year?	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	7C?	[07:14]
mike_c	!t h 7c	[07:14]
mike_c	nvm, anything on havelock.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	uh...so youre talking about two securities, both with the same known future rate of return?	[07:14]
mike_c	no, i'm talking about with the same historicals (price and eps for last 6 months)	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	sure, if so, i would value them identically	[07:14]
mike_c	oof	[07:14]
mike_c	really? come on.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	if you know the future rate of return will be the same then yes	[07:14]
mike_c	i said the same historicals. obviously no one "knows" the future rate of return.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	ok my conn just lagged out sorry reading up those lines	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: no i wouldnt value shit based on historical data alone?	[07:14]
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herbijudlestoids	mike_c: i thought the article ...i just wrote...makes it pretty clear? if youre buying one asset based on the 6 month historicals, then the future has to play out in a certain way for your investment to not underperform.	[07:14]
mike_c	underperform compared to what though.	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	compared to just holding BTC and taking no loss!	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: hold BTC, return 0%, hold overvalued asset for 10Y, sell asset, return -10%	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	hold undeprriced asset for 10Y, sell asset, return +10%	[07:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK:7C] 1D: 0.00414026 / 0.00414026 / 0.00414027 (23 shares, 0.09522599 BTC), 7D: 0.00330000 / 0.00447172 / 0.00787947 (266 shares, 1.18947875 BTC), 30D: 0.00310008 / 0.0051724 / 0.00789999 (1033 shares, 5.34308438 BTC)	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i said asset. any of them, it doesnt matter.	[07:14]
ThickAsThieves	what the	[07:14]
Bugpowdurr	yikes	[07:14]
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mike_c	freenode is not healthy right now	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i am totally fine with valuing MPOE on a book value basis. so what is the current P/B multiple?	[07:15]
Bugpowdurr	Well... my little crafty experiment is a fail.	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	mpoe book = 0	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	is the problem	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	so p/b is infinite anyway.	[07:15]
Bugpowdurr	time for a good night's sleep.	[07:15]
Bugpowdurr	l8r	[07:15]
ThickAsThieves	peace	[07:15]
mike_c	herbi, have you done a dcf on mpoe?	[07:16]
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herbijudlestoids	if yall were trying to explain something...or make me see some kind of light, im not seeing it	[07:17]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: nope	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	whenever you seem just about to get it you retreat to declaring you ain't getting it	[07:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00513044 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	let's go yet another angle at this.	[07:18]
herbijudlestoids	pls stick to the angle	[07:18]
herbijudlestoids	you said focus on rate of conservation	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	if one continues to interpolate the current difficulty of mining curve,	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	the future value of bitcoin is pretty much infinite.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	this makes the substitute p/b for any other way to get btc in the indefinite future also properly infinite.	[07:19]
herbijudlestoids	ok, i dont disagree with any of those statements	[07:19]
herbijudlestoids	i have some experience with the same concept re gold	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	basically the lot of what i'm saying is that there are no acceptable models to valuate here.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	this will need more research rather than simple c/p stuff that really doesn't work in fiat anyway	[07:20]
ThickAsThieves	well there's one	[07:20]
ThickAsThieves	;)	[07:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018035 = 0.9018 BTC [-] {8}	[07:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]	[07:20]
herbijudlestoids	....	[07:20]
herbijudlestoids	did anyone catch me valuating?	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's an indetermination (inf/inf) it'll have to be somehow resolved	[07:20]
herbijudlestoids	without me knowing?	[07:20]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think it can be	[07:20]
ThickAsThieves	i think it's like a currency rate burdened by indeterminable inflation rates	[07:21]
ThickAsThieves	can only be priced in the moment	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids sowhat were you doing ?	[07:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1564 @ 0.00017688 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {5}	[07:21]
ThickAsThieves	at market	[07:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.0051107 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {8}	[07:21]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: showing what the market is implying the EPS growth rate will be on an infinite horizon...	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	well i don't see i could disagree with that.	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	why are we arguing again ?	[07:22]
Duffer1	conversion rate	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	o wait. we are arguing because you're claiming you can calculate the eps growth.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	this is not established.	[07:23]
ThickAsThieves	cuz someone said if things were different, things would be different or such	[07:23]
herbijudlestoids	cos you said some bullshit about my focus on growth coming from fiat and that i should focus on the rate of conservation	[07:23]
mike_c	Duffer1 :) that's the second time. are you deliberately misspelling conservation?	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids perhaps not the best expression of the concept, but anyway.	[07:23]
herbijudlestoids	ps: we arent arguing, i am questioning, to understand	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	what makes you think you can calculate the eps growth rate implied by the market ?	[07:24]
Duffer1	mike_c ah thanks i misread conservation	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	(don't get me wrong, i get the ample wtftude involved here. i humbly submit it's not because of me but because of fundamental issues stemming from the nature of btc)	[07:25]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: because the price of MPOE is derived from something. since MPOE is an economic entity, i assume the price is derived from its economic activities. which can be broken down (at base) to earnings and dividends	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	how do you know this ?	[07:26]
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herbijudlestoids	how do i know what...that the price of MPOE is derived from economic activities?	[07:26]
ThickAsThieves	maybe the price is cuz few holders hold most	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	each and every juncture of it.	[07:26]
ThickAsThieves	and those 3 guys dont feel like selling	[07:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0008739 = 11.0548 BTC [+]	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	one example.	[07:26]
ThickAsThieves	why does the market have to imply anything?	[07:26]
ThickAsThieves	how does it?	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	another : maybe s.mpoe is becoming monetized in a particular manner,	[07:27]
mike_c	the havelock market implies a lot of things	[07:27]
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mircea_popescu	such as for instance as roughly the equivalent of a discounted us fed	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	wherein a number of large players keep pushing back and forth holdings of s.mpoe as tokens of credit	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	that's a theory explored in http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/	[07:27]
ThickAsThieves	it's cuz Eve	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	and in general, the safe assumptions in fiat are at the very least suspect in btc.	[07:28]
ThickAsThieves	and Rift	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	o btw... the bitcoin guild in rift ? biggest thing on server.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	> 700 ppl	[07:28]
herbijudlestoids	ok maybe i am making some assumptions, but i think those assumptions: 1. that the price of MPOE is derived from something, 2. that MPOE is an economic entity 3. that the price of MPOE is derived from that economic activity	[07:28]
ThickAsThieves	i contemplated reinstallation...	[07:28]
herbijudlestoids	those are pretty safe assumptions.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	so you say.	[07:29]
ThickAsThieves	yes it's safe to assume MPOE is a thing with a price	[07:29]
herbijudlestoids	...	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids there's no compelling reason to believe the price of mpoe isn't derived from its value as a currency.	[07:30]
ThickAsThieves	i just dont see how you could possibly isolate anything useful	[07:30]
mike_c	is TWTR value derived from its economic activity or from pipe dreams about future potential?	[07:30]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c: value or price?	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	twtr value is defo not derived from any economic activity	[07:30]
ThickAsThieves	how do you factor liquidity?	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	fb/groupon/etc for that matter either.	[07:30]
herbijudlestoids	err exactly? right?	[07:31]
herbijudlestoids	the market implied EPS growth rate for FB/TWTR/GRPN are very very high. not as high as MPOE, but quite high	[07:31]
ThickAsThieves	people still buy grpn?	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	but yes, to complete the story : for all you know s.mpoe is the fractionary reserve of the btc superrich. for all you know s.mpoe is the doge of assets. for all you know s.mpoe is the golden ticket people dream with.	[07:31]
herbijudlestoids	if the economic activity (or lack theroef) in those assets does not provide an appropriate amount of EPS growth	[07:31]
ThickAsThieves	yeesh	[07:31]
herbijudlestoids	then investors will underperform relative to holding cash or the index	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you seem strangely immune to the currency notion.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	what exact economic activity does gold provide ?	[07:32]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: no im willing to accept that	[07:32]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: store of value which is hoardable without restricting the economy, non dilutable, no counterparty risk, etc	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	right. that's an angle i can't reduce or disprove.	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, the other angle i can't reduce or disprove is "very small certain income > any other alternative, seeing how all other assets are -EV so far"	[07:34]
KRS-One	http://i.imgur.com/pU2lyce.jpg	[07:34]
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mircea_popescu	and obviously, "dude it's a scam through and through" is a third.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	can't fucking apply numeric methods on something this conceptually fragmented.	[07:34]
KRS-One	.bait	[07:34]
herbijudlestoids	so? still waiting to understand how my notion of "growth" is imported from fiat and why i should focus on the "rate of conservation"	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	which is why i love you.	[07:34]
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herbijudlestoids	i get the idea that hoarding BTC might be bad for the BTC economy, if such a thing existed.	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids that comment was merely related to version 2. ie, in a market where the average asset yields a solid -50% each six months,	[07:35]
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KRS-One	love that pic of magical tux	[07:35]
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mircea_popescu	the value of the only asset which yields a + is pretty muchj... infinite	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	or unspecified	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	or "whatever it costs"	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	very prone to sudden volatility etc	[07:35]
herbijudlestoids	by the avg asset do you mean the shite on havelock or whatever?	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	well, glbse, take your pick. bitjam or w/e	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	ye	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	you're in new york, all eateries serve excrement	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	so youre talking relative valuation	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	i am not.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	human, goat, whatever. hispano, jew, you can pick it.	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	MPOE is infinitely valuable compared to scams. sure. no worries, no argument.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	obviously the seats in the one restaurant which serves food go by "how much people hungry can afford to pay"	[07:36]
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herbijudlestoids	that is not what im talking about	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	this is no relation to economic activity.	[07:37]
herbijudlestoids	err well it totally is though	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	arguably!	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	but you need a much more... efficient! market	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	see ? that's what mike_c was basically saying originally.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	currently bitcoin is woefully inefficient : people get beaten into shit, they turn around and reimplement the same thing.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	and again and again.	[07:38]
herbijudlestoids	mike_c originally said that i assumed the market was efficient and therefore MPOE was overpriced. i did not saythat.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	that's as antieconical as it gets.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids stop being so fragile. he just said you're presuming the market is efficient and therefore oyu're stupid	[07:38]
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mircea_popescu	i doubt he actually even contemplated the overpriced consideration any	[07:38]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: so, for the sake of experiment, we are not allowed to make assumption that MPOE price is locally efficient? thats stupid now?	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	antieconical lmao. they don't make e-cones zese pplz!	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i r sorry but it is. pretty much any assumption of market efficiency in any bitcoin market is touched in the head.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	(which again is proven by the diff curve, with its attendant problems, and by the fiat/btc prices, and by a thousand other glimmers)	[07:40]
ThickAsThieves	it would be less crazy to look at past data to see what that implies for the future	[07:41]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: lolllllllll	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	not bad lol	[07:41]
herbijudlestoids	one tells me the assuming the price is efficient is stupid	[07:41]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[07:41]
herbijudlestoids	the next tells me you can infer future performance from the past inefficient price	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	he must have been trollingk	[07:41]
mike_c	however the altcoin market.. getting tight! 100 satoshi spread on x-bt	[07:41]
mike_c	fire up the day trading bots	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	why does nobody have nighttrading bots ?	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	i imagine they;'d be sexier.	[07:42]
herbijudlestoids	you cant really daytrade in a 24/7 market	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids anyway, don't let any of the foregoing impugn on your intelligence or usefulness for the space.	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	you're being useful.	[07:42]
herbijudlestoids	daytrading by definition is having no positions at close	[07:43]
ThickAsThieves	the "all" is silent in daytrading	[07:43]
mike_c	also, they aren't really "bots". just computer programs.	[07:43]
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mircea_popescu	actually because of how credit works you can sort-of rolling-window-daytrade	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	as in, not have to rollover any day/week/whatever loans	[07:43]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: like i said earlier. i dont view this as an argument, when i question it is just to learn. i am always willing to consider an opinion or formula or whatever, even if i dont accept it in the end.	[07:44]
herbijudlestoids	if you tell me something i dont understand, i will question. not to defend my existing view, which im happy to discard given evidence.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	yeah but chat gets pretty hot and you're new, so. one never knows.	[07:44]
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chetty	http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/google-ngram-experiments/	[07:44]
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mircea_popescu	now that's cool	[07:45]
ozbot	Google NGram Experiments \| Information Is Beautiful	[07:45]
herbijudlestoids	i like the ngram viewer much more than google trends	[07:45]
herbijudlestoids	but the data is not as realtime as trends	[07:46]
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mircea_popescu	lol they have 5bn books and what they do with it is compare faggot to retard and ketchup to salsa.	[07:47]
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mircea_popescu	very well armed intellectually these peoples.	[07:47]
chetty	its never the tools fault	[07:47]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: worse they present the data as if it was clear cut that now people like salsa more than ketchup, but there is probly algorithmic/computational reasons more than historical ones	[07:48]
herbijudlestoids	anyway. i cant stick around. i just came because mike_c said i said MPOE was overvalued.	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	to be clear, if the RoR is 1%, its fairly valued, or slightly undervalued.	[07:49]
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jurov	;;slap assbot	[07:54]
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kakobrekla	thanks	[07:54]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#513545	[07:54]
kakobrekla	works nao	[07:54]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	cool	[07:55]
Duffer1	.d	[07:57]
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cads	Wow these poor pokemon bastards have been stuck in a maze for 24 hours now.	[08:02]
cads	today it reached a new high - 75 thousand people mashing buttons desperately trying to get past what would normally take two minutes for a single player.	[08:03]
cazalla	what's that about cad?	[08:04]
cazalla	cads*	[08:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00087073 = 17.4581 BTC [-]	[08:04]
cads	It's a completely absurd social experiment. Someone created a video feed of a pokemon game, and fed it to a well known distributor of live videogame video feeds, Twitch.tv.	[08:05]
cads	In the chat room (which is a regular IRC chatroom operated by twitch.tv) the broadcaster placed a bot that would interpret messages from players as key presses: players may register to the site to go on the chat and type "up" "down", "a", "b", etc.	[08:06]
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cazalla	watching now	[08:06]
cazalla	btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies	[08:07]
cazalla	not sure if it still stands, this is years ago	[08:07]
cads	wow, definitely show him this	[08:07]
cazalla	we don't talk lol, not for years	[08:07]
cads	hehe	[08:07]
cads	sorry to hear	[08:07]
cads	(he probably knows anyways)	[08:07]
cads	everyone in the pokemon world is hearing about this if only because it's been tainting the pokemon memes.	[08:08]
cazalla	not sure if he still follows it, this was during uni for him	[08:08]
cazalla	i need to finish the latest one that came out	[08:09]
cazalla	only 3 or 4 badges done	[08:09]
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mircea_popescu	wtf is the pokemon world o.o	[08:09]
cads	millions of people wasting billions of hours producing and consuming pokemon memes and other fan content	[08:10]
cads	along with the multinationals feeding off of them.	[08:11]
cazalla	shame they are yet to make mmorpg for pokemon	[08:11]
cads	It would be hard to mess that up.	[08:12]
Duffer1	have you seen wildstar?	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	you mean past the age of 12 ?!	[08:13]
Duffer1	some people dedicate lots of effort and money into fucking things up	[08:13]
cads	mircea_popescu: Do you know about ponies?	[08:14]
cazalla	yeah but i don't have the time for mmos anymore like wildstar	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	cads i know little girls ride them, occasionally...	[08:14]
cads	in the 21st century, little girls and middle aged men alike love ponies.	[08:15]
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cads	it is highly disturbing.	[08:15]
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cads	to see a man fawning over cute animated My Little Ponies	[08:16]
cads	but the profit	[08:16]
cads	oh the profit.	[08:16]
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mircea_popescu	uh.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	so bascially in the 21st century middle aged men are mentally infantile.	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	girls used to mature a coupla years before boys,	[08:17]
cazalla	pokemon and bronies are unrelated	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	now it's a coupla decades.	[08:17]
cads	cazalla: they're both products that are being enjoyed by an increasingly long tail of originally unexpected users	[08:17]
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Duffer1	i don't know if there's support for that statement caz hehe	[08:17]
cazalla	they're good games though	[08:18]
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cazalla	and most gamers are adults afterall	[08:18]
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cazalla	so you can't compare the 2 things	[08:19]
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Namworld	Hmm... BTC.sx has a clear lack of capital.	[08:20]
cads	mircea_popescu: so 'moe' is a style of anime synonymous with "cute" and "budding" charachters that you want to lovingly "protect", and it's very popular with young girl audiences and middle aged male audiences.	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	that i heard of.	[08:20]
cads	My little pony was a failing toy brand that was rebranded by the hasbro corporation into a moe cartoon series called My little pony: friendship is magic. It was aimed at little girls but featured good writing and character design and pretty soon had a huge fan base of "bronies"	[08:21]
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cads	these are "bros" that love my little pony.	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	ie all the people who find child porn either too expensive, too risky, or too socially inacceptable to directly discuss.	[08:22]
cads	that's about it, except behind the scenes of course there's all sorts of disgusting pony porn and yeah, I think you hit it on the head	[08:22]
jurov	bronies are middle age? i thought it's teenagers	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	which is how i got to hear about it, the anthropologists keeping track of the decay of the us cultural space noticed that it's not just that holywood can't make a film that's not either a very bad socialist tract or else a drug chain	[08:23]
cads	jurov: I'd hope the mass majority are teenagers	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	but moreover the prevalence of pedophilia is such that it look smore like the bitcoin hash debit than anything.	[08:24]
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Namworld	To me, "moe" can only mean Moe Szyslak. Nothing more.	[08:25]
cads	jurov: there was the case of the 30-something that was fired from his job.	[08:25]
Namworld	jurov, I thought bronies were mostly little girls under 10 and guys 30-50.	[08:25]
Namworld	With some huge age gap in-between	[08:26]
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cads	Namworld: one of my exes has a 17 year old brother who is a brony. Kid is a robotics genius, and a ... pony genius.	[08:26]
cads	shrug	[08:26]
Namworld	eh	[08:26]
jurov	i guess these males got it inflicted upon them in the 1990s when original ponies aired	[08:27]
cads	I've got another friend and she has a brother that has an actual pony stamp tattoo.	[08:27]
cads	rainbow dash's storm cloud	[08:28]
cads	I myself know entirely too much my little pony stuff to not be afraid.	[08:28]
cads	shrug - meme poisoning	[08:28]
cads	jurov: I dunno, ponies were never in the male culture growing up, at best I would have seen commercials	[08:31]
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cads	_maybe_ it's a sort of childhood brand recognition	[08:32]
cads	the really astounding thing with this and other memes in general is how much actual work goes into creating and distributing, discussing, criticizing, 'debating' memes.	[08:33]
cads	and how it's come to pass that corporations profit off of this content as if they made it, just by hosting it	[08:34]
jurov	i do remember them, it was a biggie for some time. fortunately i was not allowed much tv then	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	cads so how much profit exactly are we talking here ?	[08:35]
Namworld	I didn't have cable until like 2000 and I don't know when we got Internet... probably so late.	[08:35]
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cads	Well like pageviews -> $s it's hard to quantify. It's a non-monetized time waste with leeches sucking at each juncture, so I'm not sure where to begin speculating on the profit	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	it is "hard to quantify" ?	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	what are you, in derp mode ?	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	Hasbro Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2013 Financial Results and Declares an Increase in Quarterly Dividend to $0.43 per Share	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	2013 full-year net revenues of $4.08 billion were flat with 2012 revenues of $4.09 billion;	[08:37]
cads	we have to look at aqcuisitions of large media providers like youtube and tumblr	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	2013 full-year net earnings were $372.4 million	[08:38]
Namworld	Advertising revenue is easy to quantify...	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	so the owner made like 400mn total, and they sell a lot of crap other than this stale meme.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	let's call it 100mn generously and forget about it,	[08:38]
cads	Namworld: but the advertising revenue from people sharing memes?	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	it barely pays for a decent corporate jet.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	cads i just did.	[08:39]
cads	mircea_popescu: my claim is that media distributors like youtube and facebook profit from hosting this unlicensed community created meme content, which is typically considered much more entertaining in itself than anything like the cartoons, dvds, or plushies made by the company.	[08:41]
jurov	hahaha what wikipedia has to say: According to Margaret Loesch, CEO of The Hub, revisiting properties that had worked in the past was an important programming decision, influenced to an extent by the opinions of the network's programming executives, a number of whom were once fans of such shows.	[08:42]
jurov	doubt these executives were female	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	cads so you're saying that the owner's profits from the franchise are dwarfed by the various leeches' ?	[08:43]
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mircea_popescu	this proposition is frequently revisited but empirically always shown to be false.	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	it has a lengthy tradition i nthe ip business.	[08:44]
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jurov	http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/oukoe-uk-romania-dolphins-idUKBREA1D1J920140214?	[08:49]
ozbot	In election year, Romania debates giving human rights to dolphins	[08:50]
jurov	and we have MP who lives off air and exchanges love with aliens, too :D	[08:50]
jurov	and wants to be a president	[08:50]
cads	I mean, youtube was acquired in 06 for 1.5 $bn of google stock. In the mean time google has grown to from 400 to 1200 a share. Suppose youtube grew proportionally with that and it's valued at $6bn. However youtube has grown far beyond what most people imagined. A 2012 boast from google values youtube at around $56bn.	[08:50]
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cads	I don't think it makes sense to pretend youtube does anything other than make money off of other people's (chumps) content	[08:53]
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cads	and it's also hard for nintendo to tell youtube that some 12 year old kids' world record playthrough of pokemon needs to funnel back some ad money to nintendo	[08:55]
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cads	I mean, stupid shit like this live actions reenactment that got umpteen million views and pays the living wages of some internet famous douchebags, while putting 80% of the revenue into the coffers of youtube.	[08:57]
cads	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1h5TzdTq0o	[08:58]
ozbot	POKEMON IN REAL LIFE - YouTube	[08:58]
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cads	The big social media aggregators - facebook, twitter, youtube, tumblr, basically make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives the corporation full rights to the content until it is deleted by the user.	[09:06]
cads	So these billion dollar valuations are all due to the fact that people are too stupid to run distributed media channels or protest a bad contract clause and are willing to sit through advertisements.	[09:07]
jurov	cads, where would you put a video you suspect may get mildly popular? on your adsl? pay for a webhosting?	[09:09]
cads	if I was making a revenue stream the latter sounds ideal, but of course I understand that my revenue stream would be even _bigger_ if I syndicate my content with youtube.	[09:10]
cads	their marginal cost is so much smaller than mine	[09:11]
cads	to them they don't even notice if I get slashdotted. For me it might take me out of business for a day.	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	cads so basically you'd like this to be worth a lot is what igather.	[09:11]
jurov	also, i do run misc p2p stuff and even with 60mbit uplink on my home connection i get annoying dns resolving problems occassionally	[09:12]
cads	not a lot, but enough to be worth studying	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	you have a large number of mistaken assumptions baked in, tho.	[09:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240 @ 0.00087152 = 0.2092 BTC [+]	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	" make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives"	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	there is absolutely no relation between the content bs and the acquisitions/mkt cap game.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	none.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	if one day btc-e pulls a vircurex and lists itself as an asset, and pumps the price like they do	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	you going on about how the trollbox is worth thousands of btc because some scammer somewhere traded what he purpots to be 1% of some crap with himself at an implied valuation of fiddy billion	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	would be equally ridiculous.	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	the trollbox may have some value, but that value is not visible in how much doge goes for.	[09:14]
Mats_cd03	how important is having more nodes, exactly	[09:17]
Mats_cd03	is it measurable at all	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	i suspect it's one of those things like wearing condoms	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	one day we'll find out exactly how important it would have been	[09:18]
jurov	Mats_cd03: for me it makes clear difference that my txs propagate nicely	[09:18]
jurov	that's all i need to know	[09:18]
Mats_cd03	i wonder how much bandwidth the network consumes	[09:19]
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Mats_cd03	i wouldnt mind running a node if i knew what i was contributing	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	so run one, it helps.	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	doesn't eat that much bw, kbps.	[09:20]
Mats_cd03	would 2tb/month be enough	[09:20]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc 2000000 / 30 /24/3600	[09:20]
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gribble	0.771604938272	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	definitely	[09:21]
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mircea_popescu	it doesn't do 771 kbps, it does something like 30	[09:21]
jurov	up 46 days,TX packets 1728363356 bytes 1580097315893 (1.4 TiB)	[09:21]
Mats_cd03	ill start a droplet	[09:22]
cads	blah I hate how easy hard math turns out to be after a couple years of study. That makes you feel like you were an idiot 2 years ago.	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1400000/46 / 30 / 24 / 3600	[09:22]
gribble	0.011741814278	[09:22]
jurov	bitcoind does cause 10mbit+ spikes, if someone with ssd pulls the blockchain from me	[09:22]
cads	And the difficulty of the math you're currently studying assures you feel like an idiot presently.	[09:22]
jurov	but it averages out	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	cads wut ?	[09:23]
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Mats_cd03	i have $60 in digital ocean credit so its all good	[09:23]
cads	mircea_popescu: math that kicked my ass 2 years ago is now super trivial, and yet the math that's kicking my ass today still seems tough	[09:25]
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mircea_popescu	how it goes hehe	[09:25]
cads	I should just smartly recognize that it's just as trivial as the old math, and solve it just as easily in one stroke	[09:26]
cads	but alas	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	the girl you love today has but a cunt just like your ex	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	you should smartly recognise they're just the same and be done with it	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	but alas.	[09:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1215 @ 0.00015683 = 0.1905 BTC [-] {7}	[09:42]
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MisterE	LMAO: http://imgur.com/YwmzEck	[09:44]
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cads	hmm, a year ago reddit raised a million dollars an a 400 million dolar valuation	[09:47]
cads	can you guys suggest a business model for reddit that would actually make money?	[09:48]
cads	it already had 18 million in the bank	[09:49]
cads	the reason they took the million is to open the business for buyin and input from silicon valley investors	[09:51]
cads	when they were spun out in 2011 they started with 20 mil, and they have been operating the popular online social forum and news syndication site with a "very lean staff"	[09:52]
cads	so they eat about a million of each year and there's really no way I can see for them to make money	[09:53]
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Duffer1	it will be interesting to see if they'll be able to unobtrusively monetize the site	[09:54]
cads	the funny thing is they think they're going to be able to get non-shitty ideas from VCs with 5% buyins.	[09:55]
cads	I dunno	[09:56]
cads	what would you guys do?	[09:56]
cads	jurov, mp? Duffer1, you're a reddit fan?	[09:57]
Duffer1	ya they've essentially said they're not creative enough to figure it out, so at least they recognized they need help	[09:57]
jurov	do about what? monetizing reddit?	[09:57]
Duffer1	it has intrinsic flaws that make me not read the comments, but i still browse daily for headlines	[09:58]
cads	"we spent half a mill on consultants alone so far and nothing. Time to bring in the leeches"	[09:58]
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Duffer1	i don't believe that will end well for them, but i'm not creative enough to figure it out either so who am i to say	[09:59]
cads	jurov: yeah, they need a business plan because right now they just give a fun free news platform for all	[10:00]
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cads	a reddit video news channel?	[10:01]
Duffer1	the comments are already weaponsgrade stupid, perhaps the us military will step up to fund the disinformation platform of the new century	[10:01]
Duffer1	reddit has infinite value to any organization looking to shape american perceptions	[10:02]
cads	"we have the power to determine when trolls swarm a topic"	[10:03]
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MisterE	cads: some richpeople will step in and fund reddit	[10:04]
cads	just a tiny parameter tweak in the voting mechanism	[10:04]
MisterE	like they did BSD	[10:04]
MisterE	reddit is going nowhere	[10:04]
MisterE	just like wiki	[10:04]
cads	independently rich tech types?	[10:04]
MisterE	yea	[10:04]
cads	that just love their reddit and coffee?	[10:04]
MisterE	a Ellison or Bezos	[10:04]
MisterE	an*	[10:04]
MisterE	yea and becasue Swartz started it	[10:05]
MisterE	reddit was a cliquey thing before it blew up and most were techies / libertarians	[10:05]
MisterE	I wish someone would do a docu on reddit	[10:06]
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cads	On the plus side if it ever goes down nerds will just put it back up	[10:07]
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MisterE	^ this too	[10:08]
MisterE	like TPB it's well mirrored	[10:08]
cads	haha, slashdot seems to be doing better	[10:11]
cads	ish.	[10:11]
cads	they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year.	[10:11]
cads	apparently last october the company rolled out some interface changes that have incited the users into anger. The users "Slashcotted" slashdot this past week :P	[10:13]
MisterE	yea we boycotted them all last week	[10:16]
MisterE	I unsubbed from newsletter	[10:16]
MisterE	etc.	[10:16]
MisterE	getting most from Ars now	[10:16]
MisterE	still /. fills a niche no one else does	[10:16]
MisterE	their comment threading is shit and the beta made it much worse	[10:17]
MisterE	community pushed back and CmdrTaco kept ramming it down our throats	[10:17]
cads	?	[10:17]
MisterE	I think he learned his lesson he posted a mea culpa	[10:17]
MisterE	sec I get linky	[10:18]
MisterE	this kinda started it: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3322099	[10:20]
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MisterE	cads: the fuckers pulled it from the site	[10:25]
MisterE	ty	[10:27]
MisterE	yea	[10:28]
MisterE	I have a 5 digit uid too!	[10:29]
MisterE	it's always been a somewhat benevolent dictatorship	[10:29]
MisterE	yes	[10:30]
MisterE	3 millionish	[10:30]
MisterE	http://meta.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/2329227/slashdot-tries-something-new-audience-responds	[10:33]
ozbot	Slashdot Tries Something New; Audience Responds - Slashdot	[10:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20326 @ 0.00086967 = 17.6769 BTC [-]	[10:36]
MisterE	fuck them for taking down their mea culpa	[10:41]
*	MisterE I'm a send him a can of Spotted Dick: http://www.amazon.com/Heinz-Spotted-Dick-Pudding-10-5oz/dp/B000LAYC6C	[10:41]
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Vexual	hi	[10:57]
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Vexual	r3wt was ere?	[10:59]
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Vexual	i think i can guess the mad genius that orchestrated that	[11:00]
jurov	hi Vex, indeed	[11:01]
Vexual	hey jurov, did i spell orchestrated incorrectly? ;)	[11:01]
jurov	why?	[11:01]
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Vexual	jj you often seem to correct my spelling when im tipsy, which i like	[11:02]
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jurov	no you spelled that correctly afaik. i was referring to content, it was very lulzy	[11:04]
jurov	within 5 minutes we have shown he doesn't know php or js	[11:05]
Vexual	id like to speak to r3wt	[11:05]
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jurov	maybe he'll come back, he seems eager lo learn	[11:07]
MisterE	why would someone claim they know php / js and don't?	[11:07]
MisterE	like you can't fool people	[11:07]
benkay	one can hop from scam to scam quite handily doing that for a while	[11:09]
benkay	the internet is a biiiig place	[11:09]
Vexual	and small	[11:09]
benkay	some say	[11:09]
benkay	cost of identity is still low	[11:10]
benkay	we'll see how things change when that does	[11:10]
benkay	in other news i offered a startup against whose api i'm working a deal on some documentation	[11:10]
benkay	their poor devs were like "oh god yes save us from the documentation"	[11:11]
benkay	(all unaware of my inability to correctly satoshize a bitcoin)	[11:11]
Vexual	lol	[11:11]
benkay	few days go by	[11:11]
benkay	"hey dudes, here ams rate sheet, figure you only will be interested in 1/4 time"	[11:12]
benkay	"OMG IP AND CORE COMPETENCIES AND ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG"	[11:12]
benkay	sigh	[11:12]
benkay	whatever happened to getting the job done?	[11:12]
Vexual	yeah it's these managerial types	[11:12]
benkay	it's hilarious	[11:13]
benkay	their previous startup has burned through like 20M in capital, and isn't even dead yet	[11:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00086902 = 30.4592 BTC [-] {2}	[11:13]
benkay	bankruptcy walking, but the sharks are still just circling.	[11:14]
benkay	praying for a successful pivot, i warrant.	[11:14]
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Vexual	you might like to try an alcohol habit, come back from lunch saying "hang on a darn tooter!"	[11:17]
Vexual	not relly	[11:17]
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benkay	i kinda think fuck single page javascript apps	[11:20]
benkay	but that's a damn hard line to hold in this consulting environment	[11:20]
benkay	wait no hang on they're great in some applications	[11:20]
benkay	argh engineering what even ams a tradeoff	[11:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11312 @ 0.00087092 = 9.8518 BTC [+]	[11:23]
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moiety	mowning all	[12:07]
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ozbot	Graphene nanoribbons could be the savior of Moore’s Law \| ExtremeTech	[12:11]
jurov	what would you use 1e12 transistors for? you'd need to parallelize everything on order of 1e3	[12:12]
jurov	that's really useful only for mining and such	[12:13]
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Namworld	Eh: http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4957483+_e37a66eb929934ae4d40c3919b04641e.jpg	[12:25]
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moiety	hahaha	[12:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 541 @ 0.00019101 = 0.1033 BTC [-]	[14:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00086553 = 40.3337 BTC [-] {2}	[15:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00020997 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {6}	[15:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00086482 = 7.9996 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19452 @ 0.00086447 = 16.8157 BTC [-] {2}	[15:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]	[15:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0008642 = 11.7099 BTC [-]	[15:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33810 @ 0.00086646 = 29.295 BTC [+] {2}	[15:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16890 @ 0.00086747 = 14.6516 BTC [+]	[15:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199999 = 0.144 BTC [-]	[15:56]
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davout	Apocalyptic: encore une victoire pour canard	[15:58]
Apocalyptic	heh	[15:58]
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nubbins`	absent cads: i had a tenant who was an adult male brony, also 80% sure he was a pedophile	[16:06]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: romania has dolphins?!	[16:07]
asciilifeform	perhaps in soviet-era military delphinarium?	[16:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24775 @ 0.00086451 = 21.4182 BTC [-]	[16:11]
asciilifeform	(where the beasts were taught to fight with knives)	[16:11]
nubbins`	oh, wait, romania borders the black sea, doesn't it	[16:12]
nubbins`	for some reason i pictured it as being landlocked	[16:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	first Neo branch is built out: http://i.imgur.com/KrD2SlD.jpg	[16:15]
gx	ThickAsThieves what's that?	[16:16]
gx	looks sexy	[16:16]
nubbins`	fancy	[16:17]
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gx	doesnt look like a lot of room for storage tho :P	[16:18]
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gx	haha	[16:18]
nubbins`	why do people bother with masked hostnames on irc	[16:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086343 = 26.5936 BTC [-] {2}	[16:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.000845 = 0.2577 BTC [+]	[16:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [+]	[16:27]
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ThickAsThieves	bitcoins dont take much space ;)	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	also note they occupy the 2nd and 3rd floor of that same building	[16:31]
gx	what is neo?	[16:31]
gx	i can only hope that someday our offices for coinigy are 1/2 as cool looking	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	a bitcoin un-bank	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	i never sorted out a perfect term for it	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	I suggest coining "finserv:	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	finserv	[16:32]
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ThickAsThieves	suggested*	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	...coffee	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	casinobitcoin guy is mad at me now	[16:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.072 = 0.792 BTC [+]	[16:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002991 = 0.9661 BTC [+]	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086246 = 13.4975 BTC [-]	[16:40]
nubbins`	why's that, you held up a mirror?	[16:40]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=472946.0	[16:41]
ozbot	Need btc Donations for Kidney Transplant	[16:41]
nubbins`	sounds legit	[16:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.058965 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {5}	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	pretty much	[16:42]
nubbins`	best way to get people mad at ya	[16:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00086475 = 22.8294 BTC [+] {2}	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	mpoe-pr made the mirror	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	i just said 'hey look'	[16:43]
nubbins`	that's a thing she does, yep	[16:43]
nubbins`	less entertaining than it once was. i think she's getting tired	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	i wrote him a respectful insightful reply	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	maybe he listens	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	i think she just needs better targets	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	with BTCT, etc gone	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	slim pickins	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	unless you wanna take CryptoStocks srsly	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	candy crush is gonna IPO, lol	[16:45]
nubbins`	well, poking fun at tweedleherp and tweedlederp can onl... wait, really?	[16:45]
ThickAsThieves	"better to burn out than to fade away"	[16:45]
nubbins`	candy crush: the saga continues	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/king-digital-in-ipo-filing-crushes-it-on-revenue-profit/?mod=WSJBlog	[16:46]
nubbins`	they should get wu-tang to do them a theme song	[16:46]
ozbot	King Digital, in IPO Filing, Crushes It on Revenue, Profit - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	King Digital sounds like a rap name too	[16:46]
nubbins`	nod	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/18/50000-bitcoin/	[16:48]
ozbot	Could there be a $50,000 bitcoin? - Term Sheet	[16:48]
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ThickAsThieves	another banker death http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/j-p-morgan-employee-falls-to-death-in-hong-kong/?mod=WSJBlog	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	"Police described that death as non-suspicious." lol	[16:50]
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nubbins`	http://live.wsj.com/video/faa-grounds-drone-beer-delivery-service/AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523.html?mod=WSJ_article_outbrain&obref=obnetwork#!AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523	[16:50]
nubbins`	that's a large amount of url	[16:50]
ozbot	Video - FAA Grounds Drone Beer Delivery Service - WSJ.com	[16:51]
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nubbins`	"police described the death as no big deal"	[16:51]
ThickAsThieves	hmm there's a new WSJ Karpeles interview?	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	must find	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144.html	[16:54]
ozbot	Mt. Gox Shows Bitcoin's Growing Pains - WSJ.com	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.002991 = 0.4157 BTC [+]	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	"In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. "	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	i cant find said interview	[16:55]
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nubbins`	"i can't comment on whether or not we're insolvent, that's confidential"	[16:56]
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ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	insane	[16:59]
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ThickAsThieves	CBTC guy declined my advice	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	oh well	[17:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.097 = 0.582 BTC [-]	[17:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]	[17:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0243001 = 0.486 BTC [-] {3}	[17:08]
ThickAsThieves	in case anyone wants to light up a comment section: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10274/glass-boxes-bitcoin-investments-real-time-transparency/	[17:10]
ThickAsThieves	the author: "Kent spent a decade in the trenches trading, researching, and writing about equities and options. A advocate for civil liberties and open information, he produces and performs cyberpunk music as SEVEN7HWAVE. Currently Kent oversees digital marketing for Pixorial - a disruptive video and photo sharing service."	[17:11]
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nubbins`	SEVEN7HWAVE	[17:13]
nubbins`	fucking brutal	[17:13]
nubbins`	THIR13EN GHOSTS	[17:13]
nubbins`	SE7EN	[17:13]
nubbins`	SU6K MY DI6K	[17:13]
nubbins`	"a disruptive website"	[17:14]
nubbins`	"cyberpunk"	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	disruptive tweets	[17:14]
nubbins`	they forgot to mention that he's obviously an insufferable twat	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	you forgot to use decentralized	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	he	[17:14]
nubbins`	boy, these photos and videos sure are disrupting me	[17:14]
nubbins`	his music is disruptive	[17:14]
nubbins`	MCing shows via wi-fi	[17:15]
nubbins`	cybercloudpunk	[17:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35819 @ 0.00086498 = 30.9827 BTC [+] {3}	[17:17]
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gx	can someone give me the lowdown on how MPEX works	[17:20]
gx	is it something i can actually throw BTC in and trade on?	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	it is	[17:20]
gx	oh, i see the faq now	[17:20]
kakobrekla	check the missing manual	[17:20]
gx	so i assume it's all api-based	[17:20]
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kakobrekla	i use it by hand	[17:22]
kakobrekla	but i think im one of the few	[17:22]
gx	ah, i see	[17:23]
gx	this looks interesting	[17:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00299201 = 1.2626 BTC [+] {2}	[17:23]
gx	need a 30 btc minimum buy in?	[17:24]
kakobrekla	or use coinbr.com	[17:24]
kakobrekla	;;google mpex missing manual	[17:24]
gribble	MPEx Missing Manual : BitcoinStocks - Reddit: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions: ; MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...:	[17:24]
gx	thx	[17:25]
kakobrekla	bah, same thing as to mp happend to me	[17:26]
kakobrekla	a safety check i coded long ago and forgotten about it - fuckin up my trades	[17:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 577 @ 0.00018912 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {6}	[17:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086997 = 10.6571 BTC [+] {2}	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	ok i commented: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10274/glass-boxes-bitcoin-investments-real-time-transparency/	[17:41]
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TomServo	ThickAsThieves: Quite insightful.	[17:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.003 = 0.231 BTC [-]	[17:49]
CiPi	www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-dRBnr2Ak	[17:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07344999 = 0.2203 BTC [+] {2}	[17:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087066 = 14.0612 BTC [+]	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	ty	[17:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07345 = 1.1018 BTC [+]	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	lol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199141.0	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	this is stickied in the noobie forum	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	i'm finally eligible for "Hero" on the forums, but my activity is not high enough	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	yeesh	[17:54]
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ThickAsThieves	CBTC added all the unsold shares to the market so HL would display the cap "properly", not bad i guess, but now people have to worry whether they are sold on the sly	[17:56]
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ThickAsThieves	lol at the D1 http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/	[17:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3478 @ 0.0008657 = 3.0109 BTC [-]	[18:08]
TomServo	Wow. There is more than one person that labels their music "cyberpunk". dafuqever.	[18:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22961 @ 0.00086302 = 19.8158 BTC [-]	[18:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5449 @ 0.00086302 = 4.7026 BTC [-]	[18:18]
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Jere_Jones	Is there any way to reclaim my nick in WOT if I lost the key or am I just SOL? (yeah, I know I shouldn't have lost the key in the first place)	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	Jere_Jones: Polite letter to the NSA?	[18:22]
Jere_Jones	Think they could find my key for me? :)	[18:23]
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ThickAsThieves	did you register both key types?	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	and lose both?	[18:25]
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Jere_Jones	I only registered a gpg key.	[18:27]
kakobrekla	even using one key to dispute another is a questionable practice	[18:27]
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KRS-One	its just best to post both keys to pastebin so you can get them any time	[18:29]
kakobrekla	i think pastebins expire	[18:29]
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mod6	dpaste	[18:29]
kakobrekla	those too afaik	[18:30]
KRS-One	wow i thought they had a perm option	[18:30]
Jere_Jones	My options seem to be: 1) Dig through old hard drives in an almost futile effort to find the keys or 2) Establish a new nick	[18:30]
kakobrekla	well how strong is your wot?	[18:31]
kakobrekla	you can ask people who rated you to rate you again on the new handle if you can convince them so	[18:31]
Jere_Jones	A single rating from 3 years ago.	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.09992857 = 1.399 BTC [+] {2}	[18:31]
Jere_Jones	It is the age of the nick that I would like to preserve and the nick itself because that it is what I use everywhere.	[18:32]
pankkake	understandable	[18:32]
pankkake	tip for next time: save a revocation key :)	[18:32]
Jere_Jones	Also, don't lose the keys. At the time, I didn't see any real value in the wot and thus treated my keys as disposable.	[18:33]
Jere_Jones	Shame on me.	[18:33]
jurov	why don't just back up whole /home?	[18:34]
jurov	gugabytes of cloud storage are cheap nowadays	[18:34]
Jere_Jones	Of course, now I would do things differently.	[18:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27169 @ 0.00086246 = 23.4322 BTC [-] {3}	[18:36]
jurov	but you still aren't :D	[18:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00086168 = 0.8884 BTC [-]	[18:37]
pankkake	backup your gpg key to the cloud? lol	[18:38]
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ThickAsThieves	just name it niggers.conf	[18:38]
jurov	why not? once protected by, say, duplicity passphrase, second time by gpg passphrase	[18:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 740 @ 0.00020198 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {4}	[18:39]
jurov	afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk	[18:39]
pankkake	yeah, with strong enough passphrases you should be ok	[18:41]
pankkake	my "cloud" (not really, dedicated servers with FDE!) backups are actually encrypted to my gpg key	[18:42]
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jcpham	i name my wallet backups porno.avi	[18:48]
kakobrekla	you shouldnt be saying that in public	[18:48]
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pankkake	jcpham: people would want to look at porno.avi	[18:53]
pankkake	mine is much more sneakier!	[18:53]
jcpham	kakobrekla is it more or less deceptive if I just made that up	[18:54]
jcpham	I'm not sure.	[18:54]
kakobrekla	on right, in reality its under wallet.dat	[18:55]
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jcpham	because realmedia	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00086487 = 9.6641 BTC [+]	[18:56]
jcpham	i lost all of my bitcoins to scams, anyways	[18:59]
jcpham	labcoin IPO wiped me out	[18:59]
mod6	O_O	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52303333 = 1.5691 BTC [-] {2}	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70014252 BTC to 2`116 shares, 80347 satoshi per share	[18:59]
pankkake	save it for the tax man	[18:59]
jcpham	sitting on 18k doge though	[18:59]
kakobrekla	he is trolling ,i hope	[18:59]
jcpham	excuse my 19k doge	[18:59]
jcpham	it's a cautionary tale. all bitcoin investments are scams	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.523 = 2.092 BTC [-] {2}	[19:00]
jcpham	except the ones that aren't	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]	[19:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00086371 = 15.59 BTC [-]	[19:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07345 = 1.9832 BTC [+]	[19:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00086363 = 26.643 BTC [-] {2}	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]	[19:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]	[19:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]	[19:55]
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benkay	good morning, assettes	[19:58]
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ThickAsThieves	ola	[20:00]
jurov	ciao	[20:01]
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deadweasel	hey benkay	[20:08]
benkay	sir	[20:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.09683331 = 3.1955 BTC [-] {6}	[20:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07349996 = 0.2205 BTC [+]	[20:09]
benkay	heh. "low cost bitcoin atm"	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52100002 = 1.042 BTC [-]	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.09420665 = 2.8262 BTC [-] {3}	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00511253 = 0.8078 BTC [+] {6}	[20:10]
benkay	this will end well	[20:10]
benkay	!t h rent	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (577 shares, 3.17350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4623 shares, 25.42650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (33230 shares, 182.76500000 BTC)	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07349999 = 1.8375 BTC [+] {2}	[20:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0735 = 1.2495 BTC [+]	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/vh1-orders-naked-dating-series-680908	[20:17]
ozbot	VH1 Orders 'Naked Dating' Series (Exclusive)	[20:18]
bones`	black bars	[20:19]
bones`	across the naughty bits	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.085 = 0.68 BTC [-]	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37426 @ 0.00086493 = 32.3709 BTC [+] {2}	[20:20]
bones`	To protect the children who live on a remote rural area with no access to internet who still have yet to see "little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them"	[20:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00086571 = 0.1065 BTC [+]	[20:21]
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bones`	8 year olds have smartphones, they are looking at it sans the education part	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	The European Union’s Directorate-General for Internal Policies Riccardo Ribera d’Alcala who authored the plan wrote, “The use of stigmatizing labels should be ended, and the pejorative term ‘bankruptcy’ should be replaced with the more neutral ‘debt adjustment.’”	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	the pejorative term for a thief should also be replaced with the less neutral ribera d'alcala.	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002989 = 0.2989 BTC [-] {2}	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell nubbins` exactly as asciilifeform sez.	[20:37]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:37]
Chris_Sabian_	when does Neo go live?	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	Feb 24th	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell cads reddit will definitely make money from doge tips.	[20:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/civQQne.gif	[20:39]
deadweasel	Diablo-D3: www.discovery.com/tv-shows/naked-and-afraid << no point, just naked idiots with their bushes, in the bush.	[20:40]
deadweasel	naked sells ads, moar naked!	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	"US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden is elected to post of student rector at Glasgow University."	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	haha	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell duffer1 it's unclear you can do much shaping, specifically because of the weapons grade idiots. basically your choices will be whether you want them to spell stupid with a b or p, d or t. otherwise... stubid is stupit.	[20:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	that inception moment when you realise reading through the assets log is the most fun thing you've done all day.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	fucking biznis.	[20:43]
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ThickAsThieves	Secretary Kerry warns climate change is a 'weapon of mass destruction'	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell cads: "they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year." i think you don't fully appreciate the impact of tax optimization on all these deals.	[20:44]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	that fucktard seriously was running for president at some point huh.	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[20:45]
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mircea_popescu	so much of us history is incredible in retrospect.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	"wait, they went into vietnam ? and then did what ?"	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	has a certain italian quality to it.	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	must be all the pizza	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell misterE you musta misclicked something, i see it ?	[20:47]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov more like "we watched while he showed us"	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	benkay omg ip and what ? pls to translate ty.	[20:49]
benkay	mircea_popescu: intellectual property	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	that i know.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	whatg i don't know is what the whole sentence's supposed to mean	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	gx what's a coinigy.	[20:50]
benkay	it's a satire of an overwrought technical manager	[20:50]
benkay	"I am concerned about retaining rights to my intellectual property and building an engineering team that can document its own work. Plus lots of emotions."	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	so you offered to do documentation for them, and on rehash you offered to work 2 hour days	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	oh oh oh.	[20:51]
benkay	?	[20:51]
benkay	no	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	clearly i lack the relevant experience.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	1/4 time is not= 2 hour days ?	[20:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 34 @ 0.00301008 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}	[20:52]
benkay	no, it's 10 hr weeks	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	...	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	5 day weeks right ? :D	[20:52]
benkay	topologically the same thing	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	clearly we have a substantial differend here :D	[20:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]	[20:53]
benkay	fractional days are a bad practice	[20:53]
benkay	a) clients think in hours instead of projects	[20:53]
benkay	b) it's really hard to get shit done in fractional days	[20:53]
benkay	fractional weeks however let me shift work around as necessary to get the big six-hour blocks in which we're productive	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	following from b), c) you stay employed 4ever.	[20:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06849998 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2}	[20:54]
benkay	yeah employment	[20:55]
benkay	major life goal	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves where do you find all the btc posers fucking hell	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	you're like the grand master of it by now.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla we are now fuckbrothers, as we have been fucked up by the same thing!	[20:56]
kakobrekla	hehe	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	not hard to find posers on btcmag	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones no. there is no way to reclaim anything once you lose keys. never ever EVER lose any keys ever.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	lose your right eye instead.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	those are redundant.	[20:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin foundation is looking for board members	[20:58]
benkay	i'm looking for your sister	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	good luck	[20:58]
benkay	heard she sucks a mean dick	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	aww why so testosterony	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	o look that rhymes with brony	[20:59]
benkay	testosterbrony!	[20:59]
benkay	look you win fast types again	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	i shall comission a special hat to commemorate the occasion	[21:00]
benkay	nubbins` will paint you in your fancy hat	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	i just slaughtered a bunch of ants, the vegan gods will not be happy	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	upon the poofball shall be inscribed a logo aimed to represent fast typin'.	[21:00]
benkay	it's like dwarf fortress	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i think the vegan dogs only care for you not to eat mammals.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	otherwise you know, yeasts, ants, all fine.	[21:01]
benkay	"he is wearing a masterfully wrought cap with a poofball made of cave spider silk"	[21:01]
benkay	"on the poofball is an icon representing his fast typing victory over benkay"	[21:01]
benkay	mircea_popescu you gotta fuck with dwarf fortress	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	over benkay THE OGRE	[21:01]
benkay	right benkay the legendary ogre of vampire slaying	[21:01]
benkay	"benkay's head is cowed"	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	no, benkay the diminutive ogrelet of having been sick in his childhood	[21:01]
benkay	the generative art and history of dwarf fortress is ridiculous	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	he has one butterfly wing coming out of his shoulderblade	[21:02]
benkay	HA	[21:02]
benkay	more like the vicious midget - only american raised in violence since 1920	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if anyone ever stepped on their own beard.	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	i do when i shave	[21:03]
benkay	you can eat noodles out of a beard: http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/34671172198311e380cd22000a9f18de_7.jpg	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk << indeed. it's not made by the power rangers, not using qt, etc.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	incredible how people 20 years ago could like... you know, program computers.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	WITH THEIR HANDS	[21:04]
benkay	"these are your fathers parentheses"	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	!b 5	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	"tysat, if you believe they are pump and dumps, seriously who do you think is behind it? mtgox? the btc elites? honestly, if someone is pumping and dumping in an organised way, as a means of screwing new investors then the entire alt community should hunt them down"	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	le derp.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	the entire alt community couldn't burn down one of my pubes if someone lent them a stair and matches.	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	pubes of steel	[21:08]
pankkake	the entire alt community wouldn't exist without pump and dumps	[21:08]
benkay	"community"	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471876.msg5213248#msg5213248	[21:09]
ozbot	CrazyRabbi abusing Trust-System	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	"save yer herebys"	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	pankkake or pubes.	[21:09]
pankkake	scammers and beggars are a community	[21:09]
pankkake	do they have pubes?	[21:09]
ThickAsThieves	more than most probly	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	they are a community. in 1800s bucharest there was a place called "podul calicilor", which pretty much means "the bridge of the scammer and beggar comunity".	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	this was the local equiv of pont neuf	[21:10]
ThickAsThieves	"So if I buy some shares in NeoBee from havelock now will I get more dividends than if I buy the shares after the 23rd of Feb?"	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	sigh	[21:11]
Jere_Jones	Speaking of scams, I have always thought, and the dictionary agrees with me, that a scam was defined by dishonesty. BingoBoingo made a comment that a scame is defined by "not paying". Whether not paying is due to malice, incompetince, or a natural disaster is irrelevant.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones this revolves around the concept of meaningful difference.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	because it is impossible to establish malice at all, a difference predicated upon establishing malice is meaningless.	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	maybe not irrelevant, but possibly indistiguisable	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	also "incompetence"	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	sp	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	indistinguishable.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	ima start charging in altcoins for this service.	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	hey i asked for no service, what are you a government?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	zing	[21:13]
Jere_Jones	So "scam" is used, not as an attack on one's character, but as a characterization of their trustability?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	i shall now charge myself for self-zinging commentary a 5 atc tax.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones no, it's an attack on their character.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	there not existing any malice anyway, their character === their trustability.	[21:14]
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mircea_popescu	plus it's easier to spell than trustabillyhilly	[21:14]
TomServo	not the === again!	[21:14]
Jere_Jones	Incompetence is something that everyone starts out with.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of magical php, any language out there which isn't served enough by 3 and has 4 or more ?	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	you mena ignorance?	[21:15]
Jere_Jones	"Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something."	[21:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00086507 = 19.7236 BTC [-]	[21:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07398787 = 2.4416 BTC [+] {2}	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	im really looking forward to clauses like if i ==== j then else if i === j then else if i == j then else if i = j then.	[21:15]
Jere_Jones	Ignorance leads to incompetence.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones nobody forces you to act blind.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	learn first, act after.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	what, everyone gets a banker certificate with their birth certificate now ?	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	ignorance also leads to competance, soooo	[21:16]
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pankkake	mircea_popescu: some programmers check twice, or allocate a variable twice, to be sure. I'm not kidding.	[21:16]
bones`	"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice".	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i think that may be leftover from the old days of cobol horror.	[21:16]
deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: not so, see USG	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	bones` i think that's also comutative.	[21:17]
pankkake	well, the ones I've seen do it were fresh out of school	[21:17]
ThickAsThieves	not quite my point deadweasel	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	"any sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from turpid stupidity"	[21:17]
ThickAsThieves	just saying no one (but mp) is born a knowitall	[21:17]
bones`	So good at being bad it must be a mistake?	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	bones` yup.	[21:17]
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deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying that the ignorance itself doesn't lead to comptence	[21:18]
deadweasel	or spelling	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	most of the high ticket scammers are going for that angle.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel you aware of the neoplatonist loophole you got there right ?	[21:18]
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deadweasel	i'm aware of rabbit hole I stuck my head it here, but not the formal proposition of it.	[21:19]
deadweasel	please, help!	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	if not ignorance, then what ? if not hunger leads you to sate, then what ?	[21:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.074 = 1.554 BTC [+]	[21:19]
deadweasel	death	[21:19]
deadweasel	you don't eat you die, happens all the time.	[21:19]
deadweasel	not sated	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	but death is not of this world.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	for once death is, you are no longer, and while you still are, death is not.	[21:20]
deadweasel	depends on who I am	[21:20]
deadweasel	and if I really know what the truth of that is.	[21:20]
ThickAsThieves	so that means we will all live forever!	[21:20]
ThickAsThieves	until we dont	[21:20]
deadweasel	now we're deep in the rabbit hole.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	doesn't depend on anything, if it isn't it couldn't possibly cause.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	because!	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	that which is is, and necessarily is, whereas that which is not is not	[21:21]
deadweasel	What if 'I' is not only the body/mind, what if there is a consciousness beyond this.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	and necessarily is not.	[21:21]
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ThickAsThieves	death causes us to value life more, no?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	even so. no presumption as to your body or mind was made.	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.000202 = 0.303 BTC [-] {3}	[21:21]
deadweasel	i'm just saying since we don't know the final outcome, assuming it ends at death is a big jump.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	the greeks disagree :D	[21:21]
deadweasel	as they disagreed with their peers.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	and /me beams at having injected into conversation like the oldest remaining text as well as various other classical bits	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	AND NOBODY KNEW	[21:22]
ThickAsThieves	who cares what Zeus thinks	[21:22]
*	deadweasel did way too much introspection this weekend.... or just enough?....	[21:22]
Jere_Jones	Seems to me that being incompetent is a transitional phase that must be passed through. The key is to minimize outside exposure to my incompetence while I work through it?	[21:23]
ThickAsThieves	incompetance is imposed	[21:23]
ThickAsThieves	not assumed	[21:23]
ThickAsThieves	it requires a context	[21:24]
Jere_Jones	A label that must be applied by a third party?	[21:24]
Jere_Jones	That doesn't seem right.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones why not ?	[21:24]
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Jere_Jones	Why can't I say "I am not competent to create X. I must improve."?	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	omg look at this, there's no anaxagoras on teh english web	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones you can, surely.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	but what if you lack the metacognitive capabilities to see this ?	[21:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29269 @ 0.00086507 = 25.3197 BTC [-]	[21:25]
Jere_Jones	The more time I spend in here, the more I realize that I know exactly squat.	[21:25]
ThickAsThieves	just make shit up, it works for me	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#506092 point in case	[21:26]
deadweasel	Jere_Jones: you're doing it right then	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	what does he do now ?	[21:26]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	in fact, empirically, if you think you're not competent enough to create x you must improve you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	whereas if you think you're competent enough to create x and need no improvement you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.	[21:27]
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deadweasel	ah, i see now	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel quotation marks to be supplied by the parser.	[21:27]
Jere_Jones	My opinion of my own competence is irrelevant to my actual competence?	[21:27]
deadweasel		[21:28]
bones`	Jere_Jones, reducing the number of unknown unknowns is a good thing, but takes time	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones pretty much.	[21:28]
Jere_Jones	Well... fuck	[21:28]
deadweasel	Jere_Jones: it's best to always think you're totally incompetent, until you are the expert in a field.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	welcome to the splendid world of thought.	[21:28]
deadweasel	then it's still best.	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	although it's typically more fruitful to assume you are wrong than right	[21:28]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe fruitful is the wrong word	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	prudent	[21:29]
deadweasel	then, when you act, and fail, you'll be well ready to know exactly where and how you failed.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves never quote me on this or i'll kill you, but, the only reason this hjolds true is because us nuttery about "encouraging" people and so on and so forth. in other cultures the opposite holds true.	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	!b 1	[21:29]
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Jere_Jones	lol	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:29]
bones`	Welp yer ded	[21:30]
*	ThickAsThieves dies	[21:30]
*	deadweasel weeps	[21:30]
deadweasel	so... like, was that it, or is there something after dead?	[21:30]
*	mircea_popescu dirges	[21:30]
deadweasel	death*	[21:30]
deadweasel	brain-death, in my case.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/N5-thpEU-MQ	[21:31]
ozbot	Olympia Brass Band - funeral dirge - YouTube	[21:31]
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ThickAsThieves	here's how i see it	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	being alive is "heaven"	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	the rest is being a chaotic pool of particles	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	btw asciilifeform since oyu liked eminescu, here : http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/fulger.php afaik the best elegy in all poetry of THE WORLD	[21:32]
bones`	Trying to find utility in delaying your progress for an afterlife is hard for me	[21:32]
deadweasel	your heaven sounds lame. I'd like not to administer ALTCOIN in heaven.	[21:32]
Jere_Jones	If I believe that I am incompetent, I won't act until I believe that I am, at least minimally, competent. Always thinking that I am totally incompetent would lead to paralysis. At some point I have to open up the editor and lay code down or I am useless.	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	it's heaven, you can do whatever you want man	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones this is where community becomes important.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	everyone is incompetent, and will fail.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	do fail in such a manner as to advance the common truths	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	rather than as to repeat the history of common mistakes.	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	jere-jones, if that's how you feel, read some Coelho	[21:33]
*	Jere_Jones bawls "BUT I DON'T WANNA FAIL!"	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	fuck you.	[21:33]
deadweasel	i see what you did there, ThickAsThieves, and I agree.	[21:33]
bones`	blah blah Edison, 1000 ways a lightbulb doesn't work	[21:33]
bones`	Just try to fail with satoshis instead of tens of BTC	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	bones` this sounds smart but it is really just a moving of the trash under the rug	[21:34]
Apocalyptic	or with ATC	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	“There is only one thing that makes a dream impossible to achieve: the fear of failure.”	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	his point re paralysis remains unscathed.	[21:34]
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deadweasel	knowing where that point is, I think, is a skill derived from failing continously up until that point.	[21:34]
bones`	Getting passed that first failure helps	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	no argument.	[21:35]
deadweasel	the jumping off point, for idiots, is as soon as they have an idea.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	well... "idea".	[21:35]
deadweasel	exaclty	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	"hei guise, wouldn't it be cool if ketchup and mustard came in the same bottle ?"	[21:35]
deadweasel	Mustchup!	[21:35]
deadweasel	my favorite brand!	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	I WILL IPO MY MUSTCHUP IDEA NAOP	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	ketard	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha	[21:36]
deadweasel	lol1	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	ketard mustchup!	[21:36]
deadweasel	omg, i must have this.	[21:36]
*	deadweasel mixes his mustard and ketchup bottles	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	wait this must exist alrdy	[21:36]
Jere_Jones	It would speed up the hot dog line.	[21:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00086363 = 26.168 BTC [-]	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones except if people want different proportions.	[21:36]
Jere_Jones	You can already buy peanut butter and jelly mixed together.	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	i can tell you that mixing sriracha and ketchup is pretty good	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	then you'll have to have 500 mixed bottles and people will argue over which was used.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	actually this company could come up for its first product	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	with the selzer-salsa.	[21:37]
Jere_Jones	http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/paulocoelh404735.html	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	lol the coelho is spreading!	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	Herp. Derp. Dumbletum trumblemum.	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	since i cant even tell my jokes from my seriouses, i wanna note that coelho is retarded	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	"and so am i"	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	he's okay for inspiring pussies i guess	[21:40]
ThickAsThieves	or sating them at least	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	or bedding them	[21:40]
ThickAsThieves	inspirational! would do again!	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	aspie-rational.	[21:41]
ThickAsThieves	assburger's that could be the name for the ketard sriratchup company	[21:41]
deadweasel	working with aspies on a regular basis, I find that hilarious.	[21:41]
deadweasel	sure, leave out mustchup, TATTIES.	[21:42]
deadweasel	cutting me out already	[21:42]
deadweasel	before the mustard is even mixed!	[21:42]
deadweasel	:P	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	yeah. S.ASS. Assburger, inc. An aspie-rational food product company, and MORE.	[21:42]
mod6	mmm. assburgers.	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	yer too incompetant for this!	[21:43]
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deadweasel	it's true	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	e	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	e===a, a=e	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	now i know my PHPs!	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	"Having just gone through this from the other side of the fence I thought I would share some perspective. The reality is no successful startup founder wants hundreds or thousands of investors. Contrary to the silly games you see on "crypto exchanges" with startups issuing billions of shares to thousands of investors no founder wants that. Less is better when it comes to investors because it means less overhead and m	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	ore time spent on the business."	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	yet somehow dt magically doesn't understand what (one of) the appeal of mpex is.	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	that statement doesnt even state anything imo	[21:45]
deadweasel	ycombinated minds... again, get yer phraseology outta my brain, mp!	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	all money is green, right?	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:45]
benkay	shit apples still taste like shit	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	it's this incredible brainrot people in the us and over 30 have to fight with.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	basically it's, if you're under 30 you're too stupid to do much anyway. if you're over 30 and us you're too stupid to ever recover	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, by the time you manage to brush off all the idiocy you're 50 and ready to retire.	[21:47]
benkay	it's a shame that y combinator is now understood to be a shitty us gambling operation	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	never before has a whole culture been so thoroughly discriminated against by the forces of reality.	[21:47]
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ThickAsThieves	where's that quote from?	[21:50]
deadweasel	original	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	i can't google it	[21:50]
deadweasel	sounds like	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	dt discussing the safello thing with gweedo, who thinks he is an investor.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	Swedish bitcoin exchange Safello has secured a $600,000 investment that it hopes will push it into the wider European market. The exchange, which launched its service last August, can now count bitcoin luminaries Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver among its investors.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	Safello, which also saw Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary invest, is currently revamping its website, and promises a range of new services in the coming months.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	Aside from the amount invested, this investment round is also notable for the number of investors involved. The firm lists 15 in its statement announcing the deal, which would mean an average of $40,000 each (although the investment is likely to be unevenly spread).	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	i really enjoy reading teh forums these days.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	"look, fifteen people put in fifty bitcoin each! THIS IS HUGE NEWS!!!1"	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	what a horrible name	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	like Othello, but Safe?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	eh they suck at naming things what can i say.	[21:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.062604 = 0.313 BTC [-] {4}	[21:52]
ThickAsThieves	Safello, the Geek Tradegy	[21:52]
ThickAsThieves	does anyone even use coinapult?	[21:54]
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mircea_popescu	i tried to give them a domain for free back in 2012	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	"nascent" this word is getting old	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	they never actually managed to collect	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i dun remember if i even bothered extending it or what happened in the end.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	and now for something completely different : any interest in a potential S.POT, which'd be a company dedicated to acquiring a florida pot growing license ?	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	does that exist?	[21:57]
pankkake	https://cryptostocks.com/securities/63	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	FL pot license	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	speculatively.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	mp lobbies.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	when mp lobbies, shit happens.	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	i'm a supporter of legalization, but i think we're barely getting medical for cancer patients on the ballot this year	[21:59]
ThickAsThieves	either way, i'd invest	[21:59]
kakobrekla	s.pot will make the grounds for s.laughing	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	>D	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	where does cannabit operate anyway?	[22:01]
pankkake	you mean s.laughter	[22:01]
pankkake	I'm waiting for s.lut myself	[22:01]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: I think "it's a secret" - forums are down so can't check	[22:02]
deadweasel	Florida, home of the DEA.	[22:02]
KRS-One	aint that the truth	[22:02]
mod6	why florida?	[22:02]
ThickAsThieves	Sunshine State!	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	old people	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	tourism	[22:03]
KRS-One	florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them	[22:03]
KRS-One	funny you can still drive around and still see abandoned store fronts that were once 'pain clinics'	[22:03]
KRS-One	I wonder how many doctors are sitting in prison right now who once had it all.	[22:04]
mod6	well, you can get a lic for co or wa today iirc.	[22:04]
ThickAsThieves	now all i see is Vape shops	[22:04]
mod6	just grow indoor.	[22:04]
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KRS-One	Anyone besides me here in FL?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	mod6 lots of old people,	[22:04]
deadweasel	KRS-One, if they had it all, they wouldn't be selling pill illegally?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	and home of the dea.	[22:04]
ThickAsThieves	all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings	[22:04]
mod6	ahh.	[22:04]
ThickAsThieves	i'm in FL	[22:04]
ThickAsThieves	i dont want to be, but i am	[22:05]
ThickAsThieves	fukn wife just landed a better job too...	[22:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086454 = 11.0661 BTC [+]	[22:05]
KRS-One	ThickAsThieves same here..sucks for I.T. I'm in south FL, aka little "New York"	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	buncha old jewish princesses ?	[22:05]
deadweasel	JAPs	[22:05]
KRS-One	mircea_popescu: you bet	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so you're in paris, make me something i can call s.lut	[22:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00086497 = 27.679 BTC [+] {3}	[22:06]
pankkake	what's the relation with paris?	[22:06]
KRS-One	deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions.	[22:06]
pankkake	oh, lutèce ? :)	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	pankkake isn't that where the s lol	[22:06]
ThickAsThieves	french gaming company, call it Lüt	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	where the sluts live ? intl capital of sluttery ?	[22:07]
pankkake	meh	[22:07]
pankkake	more bitches than sluts	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	s.bit doesn't have the same bite to it.	[22:07]
KRS-One	Boca Raton FL is like little "New York" and jewish american princesses abound.	[22:07]
ThickAsThieves	Leisure Under the Table	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	del boca vista raton, florida.	[22:08]
KRS-One	Some are quite hawt.	[22:08]
KRS-One	del boca what lol	[22:08]
KRS-One	There is Del Rey Beach	[22:08]
ThickAsThieves	we have a Treasure Island too	[22:08]
KRS-One	yeh those are typical names	[22:08]
KRS-One	ThickAsThieves where is Treasure Island?	[22:08]
ThickAsThieves	maybe good place for S.POT	[22:08]
ThickAsThieves	off cost of Tampa	[22:09]
ThickAsThieves	coast	[22:09]
KRS-One	oh cool	[22:09]
KRS-One	http://www.mytreasureisland.org/	[22:09]
kakobrekla	pankkake its called a laughing stock, not a laughter stock.	[22:09]
KRS-One	I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there.	[22:09]
ozbot	Welcome to City of Treasure Island, Florida	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	we already had K.S.Laughter anyway	[22:10]
KRS-One	I dont like the west coast..the gulf is a sesspool.	[22:10]
pankkake	kakobrekla: but, slaughter	[22:10]
kakobrekla	FU	[22:10]
kakobrekla	..rate -500	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc :	[22:11]
kakobrekla	o look a zillion dorra forum is down	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	what'd be the likely effect on the wot if the ratings were free up to maxint ?	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	obv the sum total would just be w/e modulo maxint	[22:11]
deadweasel	KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^	[22:12]
KRS-One	haha you too?	[22:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9668 @ 0.00086571 = 8.3697 BTC [+]	[22:12]
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deadweasel	raised in S.Texas. Oooh, i like th sound of that. S.Texas	[22:12]
KRS-One	East coast, Atlantic = Best beaches until you get to Sebastian, Daytona	[22:13]
KRS-One	Did you see much from the oil disaster there	[22:13]
ThickAsThieves	so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be	[22:13]
deadweasel	mississipi river dumps all the farmers gobshite into the gulf. death ensues.	[22:13]
KRS-One	thats right, sesspool	[22:13]
deadweasel	i'm NNE states	[22:13]
deadweasel	now	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	it's like california, florida and new york	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	you know, where money and broadband lives.	[22:14]
KRS-One	mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point.	[22:14]
deadweasel	and we're overrun by brown people.	[22:14]
deadweasel	whom we LOVE.	[22:14]
deadweasel	because yards don't clip themselves	[22:14]
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davout	hello	[22:15]
ThickAsThieves	my lawn guy is white	[22:15]
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KRS-One	my guy is mexican and i dont know how he gets it all done so fast	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	KRS-One ask the wife ? :D	[22:16]
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KRS-One	LMAO!!!	[22:16]
deadweasel	haha	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:16]
KRS-One	As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D	[22:16]
deadweasel	my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking	[22:16]
deadweasel	but maybe not, who knows	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y9mnx/yes_its_official_ben_lawsky_has_agreed_to_the/	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	i knew there was some bush comedy-value-add in there somewhere.	[22:16]
KRS-One	deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right?	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	mp did he acknowl your twet?	[22:16]
deadweasel	yup, agreeed	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i didn't look lessee	[22:17]
deadweasel	they are still happy	[22:17]
ozbot	Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	Someone who curses in public is strongly signaling 1) substance, 2) no hypocrisy, 3) freedom of opinion... But he is not necessarily right.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	whoa check out mr taleb	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	i really like that guy more and more wtf.	[22:17]
davout	black swan is supposedely an awesome read	[22:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00086336 = 24.3468 BTC [-] {3}	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	lawsky likes his supernintendo meme	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	davout factually.	[22:19]
kakobrekla	what meme	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves see you made me go on twitter now im spending mah bitcoins,	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	you'll be the poverty of me.	[22:19]
davout	worth being ordered? so be it	[22:19]
ThickAsThieves	"Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance.	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	he'll be bitcoin jesus next week	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	lmao now this is a good bitbet :	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	first us official to be arrested over bitcoin stuff.	[22:21]
davout	ThickAsThieves: not sure if good or new bruce wagner	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.0055 = 0.4345 BTC	[22:23]
ThickAsThieves	i think lawsky actually loves bitcoin	[22:24]
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ThickAsThieves	and is just trying to do his job	[22:25]
kakobrekla	like nsa loves privacy	[22:25]
ThickAsThieves	while a funny juxtapos, no	[22:25]
kakobrekla	he did express some feelings re dogecoin though.	[22:26]
ThickAsThieves	his job is probably impossible though	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	to mate his world and bitcoin's	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	regardless of his bias	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	http://jezebel.com/meet-the-woman-who-straight-up-rocks-a-beard-1525265585?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow	[22:28]
ozbot	Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07496329 = 0.8246 BTC [+] {3}	[22:28]
deadweasel	beardo	[22:31]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves possibly.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	is jezebel the dyke site ?	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	"Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster."	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	and... it isn't ?	[22:34]
kakobrekla	im sorry but lotsa hair does not imply 'shemale', noobs.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	a beard ?!	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	dude, everyone i know in that way is shaved down there.	[22:35]
davout	kakobrekla doesn't get fooled into sex that easily	[22:35]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	can you electrolysis the face?	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	ha i didnt even know this existed: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	you're the HJO.	[22:37]
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mircea_popescu	" tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. "	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	teh miners tell it like it is yo! lol	[22:38]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[22:38]
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ThickAsThieves	they wanna be pitched	[22:38]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i'll go in there waiving bounties around	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	no one takes me up on them anyway	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	lol splendid way to end up alt-bankrupt	[22:39]
Apocalyptic	https://www.newaltex.com/ another cc exchange sigh	[22:39]
ozbot	Newaltex - MINT/BTC Market	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	"totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic there will be ~5k of these.	[22:40]
Apocalyptic	mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	"At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting."	[22:41]
pankkake	want to lol? read https://cryptorush.in/index.php?p=faq	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	none of these people are english native speakers are they.	[22:41]
pankkake	also, they have the fake altcoin	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	Please check out https://www.newaltex.com/ ALT/BTC pair added ready for some trading. Its a fairly new site but growing daily. Really cool dev too.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	o the same one hehe	[22:42]
Apocalyptic	yeah got the link from there	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	off of it's users	[22:42]
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Apocalyptic	thay have over600 ATCs on asks	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	this sounds like it shgou;d partner with that clickclick guy	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	We are sorry for causing any inconvenience with this method. Please keep this in mind while trading, and that it's not a bug but still being worked on while Crypto Rush is in Beta.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.0008455 = 0.1674 BTC [+]	[22:44]
pankkake	cryptorush also has negative balances	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	wait is ALT=ATC?	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	at newaltex	[22:45]
pankkake	no	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	o look #cryptorush	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	they have a webirc embed on the page.	[22:45]
dub	cryptocrush?	[22:46]
*	dub invents next big thing	[22:46]
Apocalyptic	cryptorush claims to have : Total BTC volume: 2,800.36597993	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	http://linkandzelda.com/ << this is the owner	[22:46]
ozbot	Linkandzelda's Projects \| The Home Of Everything I Do	[22:47]
ThickAsThieves	http://bbs.wabigong.com/thread-835-1-1.html	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	he has a hosting whitelabel, a pokemon community...	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	this dude either is usagi	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	or else should have usagi's babies.	[22:48]
pLambert	I got a coinbase phishing email today. It was very convincing.	[22:49]
davout	a phishing e-mail pretending to be a legitimate scam company, heh	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:50]
kakobrekla	!b 3	[22:51]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1634938/plain/)	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	curious what comes of this. there's ~150 people there but nobody says anything	[22:51]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu can you auth plox?	[22:51]
kakobrekla	first s.pot, now buying facebook shits	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:52]
kakobrekla	i dont belive it.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[22:52]
gribble	Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	shit i forgot my key guise!!1	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e8184214a3f62d741e64b684dad0a7e561d3314ad57e8ff10c9a4b60	[22:52]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[22:52]
kakobrekla	dammit, its real.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests!	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	also runs a "buy twitter followers" and "generate fake testimonials" site	[22:53]
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davout	even localbitcoins has a better engine...	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty epic shit.	[22:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00301 = 0.8789 BTC [+]	[22:55]
Apocalyptic	^	[22:55]
Apocalyptic	although you have to admit it's better than r3wt's one	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile they're also sending spam emails, because their servers got blacklisted	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	and so are having a meltdown in their own chan	[22:55]
Apocalyptic	heh	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	iscrawler: I checked our email system 5 minutes ago	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	we have send 2 k emails in 24 hours.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	robert keith cristopher jr.	[22:56]
Jere_Jones	Shoulda used ses to send out emails	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	https://www.resume.com/devianttwo	[22:57]
ozbot	Robert Keith Christopher JR's Resume	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called FragCorner.net which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	omfg this shit is epic.	[22:57]
Apocalyptic	dude he's an expert cashier	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	this is going on trilema.	[22:58]
kakobrekla	to you are store?	[22:58]
kakobrekla	who is store?	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	too good typefaction.	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	who is this guy?	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	i missed something	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	so read log	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	i thought i did, it's r3wt?	[22:59]
Apocalyptic	cryptorush's admin	[22:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999799 = 0.16 BTC [+]	[22:59]
Apocalyptic	well, one of them	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	i dunno r3wt has anything to do with it	[22:59]
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Apocalyptic	which it looks like they are...	[23:00]
Apocalyptic	for the love of god who broke them now...	[23:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00020749 = 1.6599 BTC [+] {5}	[23:01]
Apocalyptic	mircea stop breaking dem mails	[23:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00020769 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3}	[23:02]
Jere_Jones	Their order matching engine must be completely whack.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ?	[23:04]
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davout	it's not an engine, it's probably an == or an === operator	[23:04]
Jere_Jones	I know, right	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	davout an operator ~==== an engine	[23:04]
davout	mircea_popescu: lol	[23:04]
Jere_Jones	oooo 4 ='s	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator.	[23:05]
davout	it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	their power combined ~=> engine	[23:05]
Jere_Jones	like C++'s toward operator?	[23:06]
nicknock	hey guys, do you know where I can still find tradable gox derivs? plus500 removed it and btc.sx is out of reserves.	[23:06]
Jere_Jones	while (c --> 0) { // do shit }	[23:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00020989 = 0.2561 BTC [+] {3}	[23:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52100002 = 1.563 BTC [-]	[23:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00086271 = 20.36 BTC [-]	[23:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07502525 = 0.3001 BTC [+] {3}	[23:09]
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ThickAsThieves	lol get this	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	the bitcoin software."	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	nicknock sorry what ?!	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	he wants to fuck with cheap goxcoins i think	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	"fuck with" in the hiphop sense	[23:14]
nicknock	mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate.	[23:14]
nicknock	heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already	[23:15]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	Ukraine's capital streamed live as police threaten crackdown	[23:17]
ozbot	Espreso TV - LIVE - YouTube	[23:17]
nicknock	how are the mpex fiat futures settled?	[23:20]
davout	nicknock: delivery	[23:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 47 @ 0.02420002 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {3}	[23:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.05800001 = 1.508 BTC [-] {4}	[23:21]
davout	nicknock: it's in the contract	[23:21]
jurov	nicknock: http://explo.yt/post/2013/12/16/All-about-X.EUR-future-on-MPEx	[23:21]
nicknock	thx	[23:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [-]	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/	[23:30]
ozbot	Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm	[23:30]
Jere_Jones	Woohoo!! Time to use my credits!	[23:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07699912 = 0.308 BTC [+] {4}	[23:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07887488 = 0.631 BTC [+] {5}	[23:32]
nicknock	TaT: i'm thinking of transferring some asicminer from 796 to havelock. never transferred shares before, any caveats to think of?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	and special thanks to pankkake	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	also logs if anyone conceivably wants them http://dpaste.com/1635097/	[23:35]
ThickAsThieves	nicknock, i never worked with 796, you;ll need to convert to direct shares first	[23:35]
ThickAsThieves	otherwise, instructions are in the description	[23:36]
Jere_Jones	"I would be lost without Trilema. It's exactly what I've been looking for."	[23:39]
Jere_Jones	- Petrina U. (via http://testimonial-generator.com/index.php)	[23:39]
Jere_Jones	lol	[23:39]
nicknock	TaT: ok thanks	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	lolz	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	Petrina Urina ?	[23:40]
Jere_Jones	Sure. Why not?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	Desdemona Safello	[23:41]
Jere_Jones	Then you'd have the real Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd saying "I never said that!	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	Cuntess Ersatz-Szerbet of Elderberry	[23:41]
Jere_Jones	Can't have that.	[23:41]
pankkake	hahaha I love the last one	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	sorta sounds like erzsi bathory	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	jurovs' dreamgal	[23:43]
jurov	yup	[23:43]
jurov	have you seen the recent slovak film about her?	[23:44]
jurov	she's very charming	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	i haven't, no.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	lots of nudity and pubescent gore ?	[23:44]
jurov	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/	[23:44]
ozbot	Bathory: Countess of Blood (2008) - IMDb	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	is it any good ? 6.0 doesn't promise	[23:45]
jurov	some hints.. but it's never clear	[23:45]
jurov	it's just weird as everyhinng from that director	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	“I also like to help people setup multiple things”	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	…such as the bomb.	[23:46]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[23:46]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder how many actual nuts that end up shooting people COULD in fact be detected by reading facebook pages.	[23:47]
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jurov	they can, but only if they are in love	[23:48]
Jere_Jones	mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all."	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	how is a tard not going to be a tard ?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done.	[23:50]
Jere_Jones	By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	you're slow, you're slow. what are you going to do ?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	move out of the fast lane and enjoy the view.	[23:50]
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mircea_popescu	everyone ends up in the same place anyway.	[23:51]
Jere_Jones	I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	dude get out of here. what was your resume like at 30 ?	[23:52]
Jere_Jones	I have never written a resume, but if I had, it would have been dominated by Aviation Electronics Technician, US Navy.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:53]
Jere_Jones	Every job I've ever had has been via word of mouth.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	this one is dominated by stocking shelves.	[23:53]
Jere_Jones	That was funny.	[23:53]
ThickAsThieves	this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	so you know, doing stupid shit is one thing, being a tard is a different thing.	[23:53]
Jere_Jones	My resume at 18 would have been dominated by KFC. He sounds like a kid.	[23:54]
Jere_Jones	KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs...	[23:54]
Jere_Jones	Speaking of responsibilities. Back to them. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones the ged was in 2001.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	2001 you hear me /	[23:56]
Jere_Jones	Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now?	[23:57]
Jere_Jones	Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now.	[23:57]
Jere_Jones	That's a long time to work dead-end jobs.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	time don't flow equally fast for everybody.	[23:58]
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