Forum logs for 17 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo fxd [00:00]
BingoBoingo [00:02]
assbot GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love [00:02]
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bounce re kool aid / small identity: "taxpayer" is apparently a big part of many people's identity [00:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00073499 = 1.0657 BTC [-] [00:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00073452 = 12.4134 BTC [-] {2} [00:08]
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Apocalyptic pankkake is back guys [00:13]
Apocalyptic at #paymium at least [00:14]
ben_vulpes is that davout's thing? [00:14]
ben_vulpes ayup [00:15]
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ThickAsThieves he could at least make his case ova hea [00:20]
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Apocalyptic he has a case ? [00:22]
ThickAsThieves well not exactly [00:22]
ThickAsThieves but i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering whats up [00:22]
Apocalyptic i'm not up to speed with what happened to him [00:22]
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ThickAsThieves he abandoned the blogfeed and such, said do it urself [00:23]
ThickAsThieves and he told pete he's stupid [00:23]
ThickAsThieves draaaaaaaa ma [00:23]
mats_cd03 heh [00:23]
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ben_vulpes obvious distancing job is obvious [00:25]
ben_vulpes winter is coming [00:26]
dub ;;ud distance job [00:26]
gribble | Having a relationship, even though it is long-distance. You may not get ... still with Ashley? Him: Yeah, we're trying to make our long-distance relationship work. [00:26]
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BingoBoingo [00:27]
assbot Code Quality - OpenSSLWiki [00:27]
kakobrekla probably to no-ones surprise at this point, the pressure on bistamp is coming from usss this time. [00:27]
mats_cd03 treasury? [00:28]
mats_cd03 > us secret service [00:28]
bounce they're wording it like they like it ("our policies") and reportedly they're starting with the thef^Wconfiscating a month early [00:28]
BingoBoingo USSA low on coins to short? [00:29]
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kakobrekla thats all i got atm. [00:29]
ben_vulpes USSA low on coins to short? << so drama [00:30]
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mike_c any word on who the "regulators" are that will get those coins? [00:31]
Adlai aren't bitstamp registered in UK now? [00:31]
kakobrekla idk and i suspekt it wont be public [00:31]
Apocalyptic aren't bitstamp registered in UK now? // they are for some time now [00:32]
bounce somewhere down the line you may find they have very well-regulated pockets [00:32]
Apocalyptic but afaik Nejc & co are still in Slovenia, as is the bank [00:32]
kakobrekla let them stupid videos of how usg has no fucking clue be public and be broadcasted even live [00:32]
kakobrekla but lets not tell the bid price for them coins. [00:32]
kakobrekla ever. [00:32]
Adlai right, but the regulatory agency which gets the confiscated funds is probably the one in the jurisdiction where the corp is registered [00:33]
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ben_vulpes how would anyone in here know [00:35]
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BingoBoingo Regulatory agency that gets coins is probably the one that complains loudest [00:35]
kakobrekla i can see how usg will want at least usg customers coins [00:36]
kakobrekla or those who have visited usg [00:36]
kakobrekla or looked at it [00:36]
bounce or used a computer network with connections to usg at some point in their lives [00:36]
jurov grrrr, still here .. gyus, what about adding,, etc... for such cases? [00:37]
kakobrekla fix your hosts? [00:37]
dub wat [00:37]
jurov maybe i can donate some myself? [00:37]
jurov kakobrekla it's not my hosts, it's rela dns cache [00:37]
jurov *real [00:37]
bounce drop the cache? [00:37]
kakobrekla use hidemyass or smth? [00:38]
kakobrekla inbrowser proxy [00:38]
jurov *rolls eyes* tell that to erveryone who wants to read qntra and cannot [00:38]
Adlai works perfectly over tor [00:39]
bounce has address [00:39]
bounce did you force dns over tor too then? [00:40]
jurov ikr? google dns does it right [00:40]
Adlai tbb [00:40]
jurov but my damn isp and many others dutifully cache it till the ttl expire [00:41]
jurov so at least decrease the ttl pls if you expect such shenanigans in future [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4701 @ 0.00073439 = 3.4524 BTC [-] [00:45]
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jurov yes i'm a bitch sometimnes. but altdomains can be handy. next someone hacks's godaddy acct [00:46]
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bounce hax! [00:47]
mircea_popescu ascii_on_tour> and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back? << "free publicity" only worth something on soem chains [00:49]
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mircea_popescu cazalla> just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on <<< jesus non-tpe relaitonships must suck [00:51]
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mircea_popescu nanotube perhaps it's also time to move ;;ticker defaults from bitstamp to something less scammy. [00:52]
mircea_popescu idk and i suspekt it wont be public << course it will be. they'll respond to the foia requests a month after the one month legal term. seriously. promise. [00:53]
mircea_popescu it is after all a real state they got over there, not some sort of fourth reich or anything. [00:54]
mircea_popescu grrrr, still here .. gyus, what about adding,, etc... for such cases? << i dunno how this would help anything ? [00:54]
mircea_popescu a cache can be fucked up for an arbitrary number of entries as well as for a single one. [00:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00073733 = 2.6175 BTC [+] [00:55]
mircea_popescu but anyway, yes. they're out, and have a lot to repay now, our good friends in washington. [00:56]
mircea_popescu and if the price runs up, someone will have a lot of splaining to do, as ot where all the millions went. [00:57]
mircea_popescu someone who really is too fucktarded and arrogant to understand what a negligible quantity he actually is. [00:57]
mircea_popescu so... yeah. [00:57]
thestringpuller flush da dns cache [01:00]
Adlai d-d-d-drop da cache [01:01]
mircea_popescu lol [01:01]
Adlai (in this cache, 'cache' is pronounced to rhyme with 'face', as sean connery would pronounce it) [01:01]
ThickAsThieves i'd vote for bitfinex or btcchina for ;;ticker price ... it's slim pickins. I guess coinbase might even be valid. [01:02]
mircea_popescu bitfinex is a scam. [01:02]
mircea_popescu i guess yeah, there's just no way huh. [01:02]
mircea_popescu was bound to happen eventually. [01:03]
BigBitz bfx is a scam now? [01:03]
mircea_popescu now ? [01:03]
mircea_popescu when wasn;'t it. [01:03]
Adlai scam or just a bunch of incompetents? [01:03]
ThickAsThieves i partly suggest them because of my observation of price and which exchanges veer off the most [01:03]
BigBitz some definition required I think mircea_popescu. [01:03]
ThickAsThieves i'm thinking coinbase might be best now [01:04]
mircea_popescu BigBitz just because you don't bother to keep up ? [01:04]
assbot MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so. | [01:04]
ThickAsThieves since it's only one without tricks [01:04]
ThickAsThieves no orderbook, no leverage [01:04]
ThickAsThieves no margin [01:04]
ThickAsThieves no swaps [01:04]
BigBitz mircea_popescu I've not been around. [01:04]
mircea_popescu yeah, "the one which was a usg front openly and from day one, totally legit" [01:04]
mircea_popescu BigBitz not since feb 2013 ?! [01:04]
mircea_popescu how do you know it even exists then. [01:04]
BigBitz is it because they use Bitconica code? :) [01:04]
BigBitz Have some sentiment... [01:05]
BigBitz You're better than that. [01:05]
mircea_popescu no sentiments here. [01:05]
BigBitz So they're a scam as they use shitty code? [01:05]
ThickAsThieves i see nothing in this post about usg [01:05]
BigBitz or they're a scam as they're stealing coins? [01:05]
mircea_popescu they're a scam because the people in charge steal and lie. [01:05]
Adlai please take sentimentality to #bitcoin-sentiment [01:05]
mircea_popescu it's how this thing called scamming works. [01:05]
BigBitz OK so how do they steal / lie ? [01:05]
BigBitz ( I have some coins there, I'm intrigued ;) ) [01:06]
Adlai for one thing, they're offering this fishy mining contract as a "beta" but taking real money for it [01:06]
mircea_popescu some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in puiblic) [01:06]
mircea_popescu and in general, you can't merit-wash a scammer with money. [01:06]
BigBitz I admit their use of Bitconica code is that of retards. [01:06]
mircea_popescu i don't care who thinks he wants to try. [01:06]
BigBitz BUT... being stupid doesn't a scammer make. [01:06]
mircea_popescu orly. [01:06]
BigBitz yarly. [01:06]
BigBitz stupidity != scammer. [01:06]
ThickAsThieves they claim bitcoinica code was replaced long ago [01:06]
BigBitz scammer may be stupid, sure. [01:06]
bounce no wai! [01:07]
BigBitz wai wai wai ! [01:07]
mircea_popescu i guess you missed out on a lot of discussion. [01:07]
mircea_popescu best catch up ? [01:07]
bounce o snap [01:07]
BigBitz mircea_popescu if that's your rationale then how can I argue... [01:07]
BigBitz Those stone cold facts. [01:07]
mircea_popescu who said anything about arguing ? [01:07]
BigBitz ALL OF THE DETAIL. [01:07]
BigBitz Well, debate, question, learn, whatever. [01:07]
mircea_popescu best way to learn is through reading the log. [01:08]
BigBitz Let's move on then. Since you can't articulate. [01:08]
kakobrekla BigBitz stupid people do stupid things. you dont want to expose your coins to stupid behavior. [01:08]
BigBitz kakobrekla sure, I agree with that wholly. [01:08]
BigBitz but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers. [01:08]
Adlai btw when you say "spend 6-12mo reading #b-a logs", do you mean read that many months of logs, or spend that many months studying logs? [01:09]
mircea_popescu so you can't agree. [01:09]
mircea_popescu who are you again and why would i care or w/e. [01:09]
BigBitz agree, sure. [01:09]
BigBitz hah don't high horse on me mircea_popescu. [01:09]
kakobrekla Adlai depends how fast you can read :) [01:09]
mircea_popescu dude look here : i agree that your stupidity does not make YOU a scammer. [01:09]
mircea_popescu you're jsut some derpy dude with nary a clue left around since the early days [01:09]
BigBitz lol [01:09]
mircea_popescu back when bitcoin took just aobut anyone [01:09]
mircea_popescu but that does nothing for your derpy "arguings" or w/e you think they are. [01:10]
BigBitz I'm not an early day Bitcoiner. [01:10]
BigBitz but you knew that, right? [01:10]
BigBitz since, you KNOW ALL ? [01:10]
kakobrekla but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers. < so, it takes some time. are you going to wait for it? [01:10]
BigBitz kakobrekla well that's why I was asking. Feel free to educate me as to how they're inclined to scam. [01:10]
kakobrekla by being stupid. [01:10]
BigBitz I did say "I have some coins there" [01:10]
thestringpuller i'd move those coins [01:11]
ThickAsThieves i'd say that 12-18mos of logs is probly the requirment now, the discourse hasnt been as dense this year [01:11]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves or maybe the same six months or who knows. [01:11]
bounce probably need to compile a couple dossiers. where's the intern? [01:11]
mircea_popescu truth be told time is working against us on that score, we will have to somehow create a compendium [01:11]
ThickAsThieves yeah i think reading 2013 would be great [01:11]
BigBitz I'm happy to move them - I just like to knoe some information/detail. [01:11]
kakobrekla BigBitz anyway best you keep them coins there so we can find out. [01:11]
bounce mpoe-pr was a handy-dandy reference, at that [01:11]
BigBitz Not "because mircea_popescu says so" [01:11]
mircea_popescu BigBitz looky, either you do your own research or you follow someone [01:12]
BigBitz using any exchange is exposure, sure. [01:12]
mircea_popescu there's no middle road. [01:12]
BigBitz mircea_popescu I am happy to follow; but some context is always good. [01:12]
BigBitz ie; some sort of 'rationale' [01:12]
kakobrekla follow bfx users why not them [01:12]
* Adlai thinks improved history searching tools are better than requiring newbs to read up, since they can also serve forgetful veterans [01:13]
mircea_popescu " some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in public)" [01:13]
BigBitz yeah mircea_popescu, I know that, but they claim (liars, potentially) that code is non-existant on their platform now. [01:13]
mircea_popescu Adlai the thing is, the way the search is organised now, you click on the finds and it gives you the day's context [01:13]
mircea_popescu it's perhaps not ideal, but a workable substitute [01:13]
mircea_popescu BigBitz so why is that relevant ? [01:14]
ThickAsThieves bigbitz, i think the point is they were conspitors in the first place [01:14]
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ThickAsThieves so whats that story? [01:14]
BigBitz ThickAsThieves sure. [01:14]
thestringpuller !up ninja_alt [01:14]
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mircea_popescu "don't worry about fucking me, it's true i raped a girl last week but i washed all the blood off my cock so should be ok" [01:14]
BigBitz mircea_popescu I just like to know. [01:14]
ThickAsThieves !down ninja_alt [01:14]
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BigBitz anyways... clearly there is no sane argument in reference to that, so, what's todays hot topic, mircea_popescu. [01:14]
mircea_popescu ... [01:15]
mircea_popescu i love density, srsly. what's not a sane argument ? [01:15]
ThickAsThieves bigbitz=pankkake=ddos source! where's my cookie? [01:15]
mircea_popescu you admit they stole, but you claim they're not scammers because what again ? [01:15]
Adlai BigBitz: i volunteer to translate. "don't trust bitfinex with your money, because they're potentially unwitting scammers through a combination of fecklessness and incompetence" [01:15]
kakobrekla such variety. i want to get off this planet away from stupid people. BigBitz wants to give them money. [01:16]
bounce I hear there's an "Ark B" scheduled for launch in a bit. might wanna get on, eh? [01:16]
BigBitz :) [01:16]
mircea_popescu eh and go where. [01:16]
kakobrekla bullet is cheaper. [01:16]
bounce well, fly after that "Ark A" that's leading the way [01:17]
Adlai mircea_popescu: earth, of course [01:17]
mircea_popescu Adlai im curious, did you figure that out from context or did you do suupportive reading ? [01:17]
Adlai looks like you have some reading to do as well :P [01:17]
mircea_popescu the translation i mean. [01:17]
BigBitz I know they could be stupid by association. [01:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00073733 = 14.7835 BTC [+] [01:17]
BigBitz but it's better than the clusterfuck that is Bitstamp. [01:17]
kakobrekla leave britney alone! [01:18]
kakobrekla north bitstamp is best bitstamp. [01:18]
Apocalyptic who's britney nao ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu yes, but this "republicans are better than democrats" bs is neither rational nor something to ever consider. [01:18]
BigBitz Bitstamp is Best stamp. [01:18]
BigBitz mircea_popescu: I agree. [01:18]
BigBitz but I can't day trade on thin air. [01:18]
kakobrekla BigBitz what did you think of btstp 2 years ago? [01:18]
mircea_popescu so you know, just because they're not quite as feckless as bitstamp, what's that do for anyone. [01:18]
Adlai mircea_popescu: context. BigBitz seems to have a different definition of "scammer" than the rest of the channel [01:19]
mircea_popescu Adlai well it's pretty good at any rate. [01:19]
BigBitz I have a very defined view of a scammer. [01:19]
ThickAsThieves ftr i dont classify bfx as scammers [01:19]
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BigBitz mircea_popescu less feckless is less feckless. [01:19]
ThickAsThieves i wont leave coin there if i'm not playing tho [01:19]
BigBitz ThickAsThieves which is a sensible view/action. [01:20]
mircea_popescu i don't envy you ppl trying to trade your cross or anything. [01:20]
BigBitz mircea_popescu I just trade for fun. Nothing fancy. Bitcoin doesn't have place for TA :) [01:20]
nanotube mircea_popescu: why is bitstamp scammy? also, is there anything out there less scammy with non-piddling volume? [01:20]
ThickAsThieves nanotube, how bout coinbase? [01:20]
mircea_popescu nanotube well the recent "We will steal user's btc and deliver it to the usss" stuff is pretty much fucking the goat. [01:21]
BigBitz coinbase isn't an exchange, though, ThickAsThieves. [01:21]
mircea_popescu but you have a point, no alternatives emerge ;/ [01:21]
ThickAsThieves exactly [01:21]
BigBitz It's a marketplace. [01:21]
ThickAsThieves thats why [01:21]
ThickAsThieves they have to live on top of the exchanges [01:21]
nanotube mircea_popescu: got link to that former bit? [01:21]
ThickAsThieves might be more reliable price [01:21]
BigBitz shouldn't an indiciator of price ie; a ticker show an Exchange. [01:21]
kakobrekla there is no place for an honest exchange [01:21]
BigBitz kakobrekla I strongly disagree. [01:21]
BigBitz very strongly. [01:21]
bounce the chinese aren't more reliable, are they? [01:21]
BigBitz There is plently of room/place for an honest Exchange. [01:21]
kakobrekla BigBitz you can strongly anything. [01:22]
BigBitz It's exactly what Bitcoin needs. [01:22]
Apocalyptic there is no place for an honest exchange // i'm beginning to think that way as well [01:22]
ThickAsThieves this cant go anywhere [01:22]
mircea_popescu nanotube [01:22]
assbot BitStamp: Unverified Accounts to be Closed, Balances to Regulators | [01:22]
ThickAsThieves no exchange is decentralized [01:22]
ThickAsThieves this none can be trusted [01:22]
ThickAsThieves thus [01:22]
BigBitz An Exchange by definitation cannot be de-centralized. [01:22]
BigBitz It's not an Exchange then. [01:22]
mircea_popescu the chinese aren't more reliable, are they? <<< we don't fucking know. [01:22]
BigBitz P2P Exchanges aren't Exchanges. [01:22]
ThickAsThieves only chinese exchange i'd consider is btcchina [01:22]
Apocalyptic the regulation burden is driving away those with the potential to do it right [01:22]
bounce well, sure. but you'd first need a jurisdiction that does away with the AML/KYC CYA BS and then you need a bunch with clue running the exchange [01:23]
BigBitz The Banking platform is the issue. [01:23]
ThickAsThieves what price is otc using these days? [01:23]
mircea_popescu god only knows. [01:23]
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ThickAsThieves whatever gribble serves? [01:23]
bounce likely. peruse the order book? [01:23]
ThickAsThieves meh [01:23]
Apocalyptic depends on the individuals obviously TAT [01:24]
BigBitz buyer vs seller, ThickAsThieves. [01:24]
BigBitz like all OTC :) [01:24]
BigBitz some may pay +5% some may pay last. [01:24]
mircea_popescu most otc volume is repo anyway [01:24]
kakobrekla bounce the majority of people think regulation is cool until they get fucked. [01:24]
ThickAsThieves same for nonregulation ;) [01:25]
mircea_popescu derpy web based exchanges figure into it pretty much not at all. [01:25]
nanotube mircea_popescu: i see. i'd venture to guess they are not doing that voluntarily, so 'scam' is not quite the right word. [01:25]
ThickAsThieves semantics [01:25]
mircea_popescu they made their choice. between bitcoin and fiat they chose fiat [01:25]
bounce sure. hence the need for people understanding regulation running the exchange in a jurisdiction that doesn't force them to fuck over the customers [01:25]
mircea_popescu good for them but why should we care. [01:25]
nanotube (also thanks for the link :) ) [01:25]
ThickAsThieves mp if they dont choose fiat, they arent an exchange [01:25]
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mircea_popescu sure. [01:26]
ThickAsThieves unles you wanna do altcoins exchange [01:26]
Apocalyptic bounce, by definition regulation does fuck everyone: operators and customers alike [01:26]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i agree the art of dancing with goats is necessary if you agree it doesn't include fucking them. [01:26]
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bounce that's a bit of a non-argument, you ought to know this [01:27]
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mircea_popescu hm ? [01:27]
bounce nah, apocalyptic [01:27]
BigBitz dat Tor node. [01:27]
Apocalyptic bounce, how so ? [01:27]
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kakobrekla same for nonregulation ;) < thats for different reasons [01:27]
mircea_popescu BigBitz lol. "o no, tor is anon" lol [01:27]
Apocalyptic the only one benefitting of the regulation is that narrow class of people who impose/enforce it [01:28]
ThickAsThieves reasons nonetheless [01:28]
BigBitz mircea_popescu wut. [01:28]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic is this true of regulation say, b-a voice ? [01:28]
mircea_popescu BigBitz dat tor node. [01:28]
bounce consider the situation. stamp is being forced to "KYC", but they're taking it to eleven of their own volition. the problem then is twofold: they should know better than that and the forcing needs to go. [01:28]
BigBitz lol mircea_popescu :) [01:28]
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mircea_popescu bounce nobody is forcing anyone to anything. [01:29]
ThickAsThieves first off let's be fair, stamp has been warning about kyc for like a year [01:29]
mircea_popescu it's all a "deal" [01:29]
mircea_popescu as idiots understand dealmaking. [01:29]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, I don't regard the b-a voice system as a regulation mecanism [01:29]
ThickAsThieves theyre just cleaning house [01:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves and they have been warned that if they do do it, they're fucked. [01:29]
mircea_popescu also for a year. [01:29]
mircea_popescu what's unfair here ? [01:29]
ThickAsThieves nothing [01:29]
ThickAsThieves i dont care about stamp [01:29]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic well but i mean, then obama doesn't regard executive orders as regulation mechanisms. [01:29]
mircea_popescu i mean what's in a regard. [01:29]
ThickAsThieves the only thing i dont like in this [01:29]
ThickAsThieves i smoney going to regulators [01:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, that's the least bad part in all this [01:30]
ThickAsThieves the rest is whatevs [01:30]
mircea_popescu they're rich but stupid, and their nose is way too up [01:30]
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mircea_popescu what they'll do is bundle it with a ton more dollars and make us another gift down the road [01:30]
mircea_popescu this is welcome. [01:30]
ThickAsThieves i need two things, a place to trade and a place to cash out [01:30]
ThickAsThieves dont have to be same place [01:30]
mircea_popescu !up chetty [01:30]
-assbot- You voiced chetty for 30 minutes. [01:30]
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chetty [01:31]
assbot Obama may call on reserves to deal with Ebola in Africa [01:31]
mircea_popescu lol that's gonna be riotous [01:31]
chetty ty [01:31]
ThickAsThieves canada gon gut some visitors [01:31]
ThickAsThieves get [01:31]
chetty yeah, danged if I would go. [01:31]
mircea_popescu who wouldn't want to go into the world's arsehole to deal with a contagious viral disease that makes you puke blood ?! [01:32]
ThickAsThieves who would honestly go to ebola ground zero for obama? [01:32]
chetty (fortunately I am out of range now) [01:32]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, I'm not sure I get this, do you consider the b-a voice system as such ? [01:32]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic well, it oppresses some people, right ? [01:32]
ThickAsThieves is all induced friction a regulation? [01:32]
mircea_popescu that's what rules are. the means to oppression. [01:32]
chetty ready reserve ...all them folks that recnetly got out ..oh yeah thats gonna work [01:32]
bounce where're those reserves gonna be deployed? [01:32]
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mircea_popescu chetty do they get shot if they don't show up or how does it work ? [01:33]
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Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, it does indeed [01:33]
chetty beats me, I knew it was possible but I never saw it done before [01:33]
bounce 4k people, so probably all specialists. they're calling dibs well in advance, then. [01:33]
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chetty like all them navy chiefs they just forced out .. [01:34]
bounce eh? [01:34]
mircea_popescu t5his would be the army no ? [01:35]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, so your point is that regulation can be suitable on a case by case basis ? [01:35]
ThickAsThieves all regulation causes some harm [01:36]
mircea_popescu my point is that regulation is an essential function of life. your homeostasis is the result of regulation. [01:36]
ThickAsThieves but it's a way to steer [01:36]
mircea_popescu the problem is that these days "regulation" is the name for the visible part of regulation [01:36]
mircea_popescu which is only visible because it diverges from nature. [01:36]
mircea_popescu which is why you think regulation = always bad. [01:37]
mircea_popescu yes, as implemented by socialists and in socialist states, it is always bad. [01:37]
chetty visible regulation tends to be contra nature, ie unworkable [01:37]
kakobrekla qntra now down again, or still ? [01:38]
bounce laws putting a punishment on murder count as "regulation", yet they're quite useful most of the time. [01:38]
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ThickAsThieves i dunno, bringing nature into this gets shakey for me [01:39]
ThickAsThieves dafuck is nature [01:39]
ThickAsThieves everything we do is either totally or wholly unnatural [01:39]
ThickAsThieves sry [01:39]
ThickAsThieves opposites [01:39]
chetty nah, we all still breathe, and eat .. [01:40]
ThickAsThieves everything we do is either totally natural or wholly unnatural [01:40]
bounce then disregard it. the point is more that rules that "go with the flow" are less visible than rules that stand in the way and cause a diversion in the flow [01:40]
thestringpuller kakobrekla: qntra is up. check your dns records. [01:40]
thestringpuller if all else fails [01:41]
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ThickAsThieves i think its the wrong perspective, and namely that, [01:41]
ThickAsThieves it's a matter of perspective [01:41]
ThickAsThieves one man;s bad reg is another's good [01:41]
ThickAsThieves maybe third man points out both suck [01:42]
ThickAsThieves whatever [01:42]
ThickAsThieves it's a thing, there's no bent to it [01:42]
bounce welcome to the united states of whatever [01:42]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, i'll quote some trilema here : [01:42]
assbot Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:42]
ThickAsThieves as the monster gets bigger, it gets less agile [01:42]
Apocalyptic "Principally, regulation seeps in where people don’t care." [01:42]
ThickAsThieves thats all [01:42]
bounce says who? [01:42]
bounce tat, you've successfully abstracted all meaning out of the meandering. that's maybe not entirely useful. [01:43]
chetty hmm seems to me it is trampling in all over, where people do care. [01:43]
ThickAsThieves i think i was proving there wasnt so much depth there in the first place [01:43]
ThickAsThieves everyone was attaching bias to all aspects [01:44]
ThickAsThieves going nowhere [01:44]
bounce from you perhaps not. the nature of rules is quite deep and subtle, though. [01:44]
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Apocalyptic more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked [01:45]
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ThickAsThieves fwiw i wrote to nydfs today sharing some thoughts about why they should ease up [01:46]
chetty "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread." [01:47]
ThickAsThieves i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray [01:48]
ThickAsThieves not the reverse [01:48]
bounce que? that means they'll take all their pre-existing stupidity with them, something bitcoiners got into bitcoin for to avoid. [01:49]
chetty bounce, that could be pretty if we get to watch them get their teeth kicked in [01:50]
dub s/bitcoiners/libertards [01:50]
bounce like the SEC? [01:50]
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bounce what'd you write to the nydfs? [01:51]
ThickAsThieves basically so banks can compete with coinbase or such [01:52]
ThickAsThieves right now legal depts wont guve oks [01:52]
ThickAsThieves give [01:52]
bounce got the text somewhere? [01:52]
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ThickAsThieves yeah sec [01:53]
ThickAsThieves note i just sent it quickly off so youre gonna be mor epicky than i probly was [01:54]
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ThickAsThieves "This regulation just won't work other than to give big institutions a way to feel safe getting into bitcoin services. That's fine, but the fact is that this is global, and money as a concept needs to change to be a private concern along with this. A centralized government should not try to impose its ideals on the world, it just can't work, will be expensive, and will ultimately hinder [01:55]
ThickAsThieves the US in transition to the new paradigm. Odds are that bitcoin, and the people in its regard, are a sovereign that no one nation can control. [01:55]
ThickAsThieves The crimes that may be committed with bitcoin are no different, and lesser, than those made with cash dollars, an area which our government has a lose grip on itself. These crimes are ultimately realized not when the money is laundered, but when that money is obtained. Those are the crimes to focus on. You can't hide a kidnapped child in a bitcoin, you can't make a bomb with a bitcoin, [01:55]
ThickAsThieves you can't steal with a bitcoin, and you can't smuggle drugs with a bitcoin. [01:55]
ThickAsThieves Please, take a step back and ask yourself, as a consumer and citizen, what you are really doing, who you are really protecting, and then consider the price that will be paid in privacy, freedom, and consumer value." [01:55]
ThickAsThieves crit! [01:55]
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bounce sounds good. not that they'll listen; their motivation isn't the good of all, it's their own careers and coming up with regulation for this newfangled thing scores brownie points all over -- their own organisation, law enforcement, you name it. citizens? not important. so it only sounds good from the point of view of the important. [02:00]
bounce the reddit AMA of the ny financial regulation guy is enlightening in that respect [02:00]
ThickAsThieves sure, but i'm playing on the fact one human will read this [02:00]
ThickAsThieves not a machine [02:01]
ThickAsThieves The Fool, i know [02:01]
bounce might throw it out as an open letter to some large paper or other [02:01]
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ThickAsThieves i think evoorhees has that high horse occupied [02:01]
bounce don't know until you try [02:02]
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mircea_popescu one man;s bad reg is another's good <<< not a matter of man here. that's why nature. why would anyone's opinion count in this discussion ? [02:11]
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mircea_popescu more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked << it just makes the point that regulation is the stricture of death. which it is [02:12]
mircea_popescu (regulos is the god of death, in that game) [02:13]
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mircea_popescu i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray << not helpful. the only helpful thing they can do is say "every financial institution of the fiat persuasion has six months to get mp's okay or lose its fiat license" [02:14]
mircea_popescu that's useful regulation. everything else, as useful as piss. [02:14]
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mircea_popescu amusingly, the situation is exactly the reverse of churchill's "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." [02:18]
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mircea_popescu that time they figured the enemy is big and it may be placated. it didn't work, originally, so they had to do a 180 and fight the war. [02:19]
mircea_popescu this time they figure the enemy is small and it may be overrun. it won't work, and they'll have to do a 180 and suck the cock. [02:19]
mircea_popescu so this time, they're chosing war and will have dishonor. [02:19]
thestringpuller whose cock? [02:20]
mircea_popescu it's an abstraction. [02:20]
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mircea_popescu no one actual cock could serve for this role, because it is to provide abject and complete humiliation. [02:20]
thestringpuller it's like constructing a hanging machine [02:21]
asciilifeform a telephone pole ought to work, as its equivalent did in past centuries. [02:21]
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thestringpuller construct a giant cock for them to suck [02:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not really. pain and a painful death are actually honorable. [02:21]
mircea_popescu << something more like this. [02:22]
assbot Ginger's End from Casino | Anyclip [02:22]
asciilifeform eh that's a christian hallucination [02:22]
asciilifeform (the notion that any and all pain is honourable) [02:22]
asciilifeform every sane culture afaik has a humiliation+pain combo [02:22]
asciilifeform available for deserving clients. [02:22]
mircea_popescu i dun think so. [02:23]
asciilifeform jp had seppuku (honourable) but also haritsuke (look it up...) [02:23]
mircea_popescu if it were a hallucination it wouldn't be quite so evenly distributed ethnically and geographically. [02:24]
mircea_popescu sure, but the latter's an artifice. [02:24]
* asciilifeform realizes that one-size-fits-all humiliation is not optimal, probably needs to be custom per client, a la 'room 101.' [02:25]
mircea_popescu it's really self inflicted, that thing. [02:25]
asciilifeform yes. without the client's cooperation, not possible (as pictured in the book) [02:25]
asciilifeform but, usually he provides it. [02:26]
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asciilifeform afaik - some variant of gibbeting/outdoor starvation is mostly cross-cultural [02:35]
asciilifeform experts - comments ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu what, like stilpniki [02:36]
asciilifeform like the little binding post in the cloaca maxima [02:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform [02:38]
assbot Simeon Stolpnik - Wikipedia, slobodna enciklopedija - , [02:38]
asciilifeform ah him [02:38]
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asciilifeform afaik he was a volunteer [02:38]
mircea_popescu so aren't you ? [02:38]
asciilifeform lel [02:38]
mircea_popescu who isn't a volunteer ? obama and herr speer both are volunteers. [02:38]
asciilifeform didja mean herr canaris ? [02:39]
mircea_popescu the architect dude [02:39]
mircea_popescu you know, "the nazi that said sorry" [02:40]
asciilifeform aha yes [02:40]
mircea_popescu listend here in the sense of "people who volunteer both ways", nothing else. not meaning to imply speer had a quota degree or that obama can use the noggin [02:40]
asciilifeform we call that - приспособленец. [02:41]
mircea_popescu (incredible, incidentally, that people who supposedly invest resources into getting a degree aren't even bothering to mention the distinction between actual degrees and quota degrees) [02:41]
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mircea_popescu it seems reasonable that any degree given to any "protected minority" by any university with a quota programme should be discounted. [02:42]
nubbins` ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец [02:42]
mircea_popescu rly ?! [02:42]
nubbins` no :( [02:42]
asciilifeform approximately 'adaptablefella' [02:42]
nubbins` i said "snofshanofshanof" to myself as i pasted it ;/ [02:43]
asciilifeform aka, very roughly, turncoat, but with the implication of being a stinking little chameleon who never wants for anything regardless of who's on the throne [02:43]
asciilifeform by virtue of powerful cock-suction compressor [02:43]
mats_cd03 o_O [02:44]
nubbins` mats_cd03 they sell em at princess auto [02:44]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [02:44]
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mircea_popescu sell what ?! [02:44]
BingoBoingo cock suction compressors [02:45]
nubbins` ^ [02:45]
nubbins` POWERFIST brand [02:45]
mats_cd03 i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once [02:46]
nubbins` nb, nb [02:46]
mircea_popescu o/O [02:46]
nubbins` for a bitcoin, or..? [02:46]
mats_cd03 i was home alone and 11 [02:46]
ThickAsThieves <+nubbins`> ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец /// lol [02:47]
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thestringpuller [02:49]
assbot Bit-trader defunct. : Bitcoin [02:49]
kakobrekla The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now. [02:50]
kakobrekla lol wat [02:50]
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asciilifeform tale not built to be believed. [02:51]
asciilifeform it's a fuckyou [02:51]
bounce why even bother with the sob story? just vamoose already. [02:51]
asciilifeform probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear? [02:51]
bounce gather more funds to pay off the "robber"? [02:52]
asciilifeform perhaps the chumps can be fleeced yet more? [02:52]
asciilifeform ^ [02:52]
kakobrekla i thought you need to wait for recharge [02:52]
jurov "i'll return the booty if 25% more is raised" [02:53]
jurov i cant even... [02:53]
kakobrekla well it makes sense, you see 100+25-25=100 [02:53]
jurov totally [02:54]
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asciilifeform carnival trick, if i recall [02:56]
asciilifeform where chumpwheel operator offers a chance to 'win back' loss for $smallint [02:56]
jurov usg debt policy, too [02:57]
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asciilifeform only so many basic mechanics for running chumpatron. [02:57]
bounce oh, there it is. it's not teh jooz, nor the big bankers, it's the carnies that're secretly running the usg! [02:57]
jurov aye it's one big fair [02:58]
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mircea_popescu probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear? <<< will be valuable in future, those. [03:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's the basic unified theory for all the sc4mz0rz who don't simply take the money&run, never to be heard of again [03:02]
mircea_popescu aye it's one big fair << hence the preoccupation with "fairness"!!!11 [03:02]
mircea_popescu shit boys, the plot's unraveled! [03:02]
bounce carnies guarding fairness. oh yes, brilliant plan. [03:02]
BingoBoingo !b 8 [03:02]
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mircea_popescu "While preparing for the final audit results, a task we were working on for weeks now, our bitcoin wallet has been hacked and emptied, just after exchanging our fiat holdings within the exchanges to bitcoin and transferring our entire holdings to our wallet, in order to proof our solvency." [03:04]
mircea_popescu lol proof our read. [03:04]
mircea_popescu "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors." [03:04]
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mircea_popescu who the fuck is this schmuck anyway. [03:04]
mircea_popescu known fact, srsly ?!@ [03:04]
bounce !s it are a fact [03:05]
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bounce wrong function. anyway. obviously a learned type. [03:06]
mircea_popescu a few dozen small and medium investors ? readding tarddit is funy at timmes [03:07]
kakobrekla small is sub 0.1 and medium is sub 1? [03:07]
mircea_popescu small is easily imagined and medium is like kinda not so easily [03:08]
mircea_popescu meanwhile big is pleasantly imagined [03:08]
mircea_popescu "Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic." [03:09]
mircea_popescu lol [03:09]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors." <<< "see what you guise made me do? seeya in six months with a new name!" [03:09]
asciilifeform i keep waiting for the 'we have your cat' scam [03:10]
nubbins` wait, six months is a long time [03:10]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well at least he wasn't you know, part of the cult of b-a or anything. [03:10]
asciilifeform ru invention afaik. knock on door, opens up, mesh bag with $animal, 'we have your $beast, pony up $sum.' father: 'we don't have a $beast...' kid: 'but so cute...111!' [03:10]
thestringpuller [03:10]
assbot [03:11]
asciilifeform btc variant: 'pony up $smallint so $cutegurl or the like can get her $bigint back' [03:11]
mircea_popescu << such an absolute typical ponzi. [03:11]
assbot John Carley (@BTC_Trader) | Twitter [03:11]
mircea_popescu 0.8% a day, then "sysadmin will look into it" [03:11]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: yup, pirate@40 round 2 [03:12]
asciilifeform << scamdal [03:12]
assbot Anonabox - Tor router box is false representation, possibly even scam! : privacy [03:12]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller from that link : "I found this site few days ago and bought mining shares, and have been getting 1.42% return every day. I'm using the returns to buy a smaller amount of trading shares. Full disclosure: I am not related to this site in any way, shape or form." [03:12]
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mircea_popescu yeah, totally. [03:12]
asciilifeform apparently complete with backdoor. [03:14]
asciilifeform (an elementary, hardcoded orifice) [03:14]
mircea_popescu "Hi, I have been using the site since mid December. You do have to be careful where you put your coins. The site has some . . . well, issues. A .biz suffix for one, but also they work out of the UK (trading stops on UK holidays) but are incorporated in Panama with no locational address or phyiscal contact method. [03:14]
mircea_popescu They also have glowing reviews from all over the world posted on their site after only a month of operation. It feels like trying too hard. That said, I did take a chance and invest some coins. I contacted them about my concerns (after I invested a few coins) and they were responsive and discussed things with me. Their backend is pretty sophisticated and you can withdraw your earnings at any time without fees. If it [03:14]
mircea_popescu is a scam, it's had a lot of work put into it. " [03:14]
mircea_popescu ^ check out the sweet scent of chump [03:14]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: I don't get why people are hating on the anonabox, why does it matter if they were using existing hardware? [03:16]
mircea_popescu "Ok i can't say how much i invested in total, i had shares worth $25k but i reinvested from daily earnings, wasn't so much i signed up in September... [03:17]
mircea_popescu Maybe it was $23k ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu Fact is they ran away with $25k from me, if it was reinvested or not doesn't matter really as they promised to make it from trading..." [03:17]
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asciilifeform Azelphur: because elaborate public lie, complete with doctored photos and claims of openable source that physically cannot be fulfilled? [03:17]
mircea_popescu Azelphur apparently the existing hardware is the only part that works as advertised [03:17]
Azelphur heck, if I wanted to build something like the anonabox, that's exactly the way I would build it, find some cheap mass produced decent existing hardware, build decent software to run on it, and ship it out preconfigured [03:17]
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asciilifeform Azelphur: because hardcoded backdoor? [03:17]
Azelphur oh right [03:17]
Azelphur carry on with the hating then :P [03:17]
asciilifeform Azelphur: because at least three waves of lie and denial? [03:17]
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Azelphur I thought everyone was hating on it because it used the TP-Link board, xD [03:17]
asciilifeform now, a similar contraption was, if i recall, sold several years ago, but that makes abox merely boring. [03:18]
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asciilifeform (and if you really wish for this, you can construct it yourself with scarcely any effort) [03:18]
mircea_popescu !up Yna [03:18]
-assbot- You voiced Yna for 30 minutes. [03:18]
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Azelphur sure, I have no desire to purchase it I have a very nice OpenWRT router that I can do all the things with [03:19]
asciilifeform interestingly, if you load the 'kickstarter' page, you can see the chump counter dropping. very slowly. [03:19]
Yna :o [03:19]
* asciilifeform will not be the least bit surprised if the turdmeister walks out with his 1/2mil [03:19]
mircea_popescu Yna who're you and what do you seek [03:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd be surprised if he didn't ?! how wouldn't he 1? [03:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if admins pull plug [03:20]
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mircea_popescu eh. [03:20]
Yna I am a gambling addict that seeks somewhere to investment lock my remaining btc so I can have guaranteed growth (however small). [03:20]
asciilifeform or if the chumps pull out in the ~month they have left to do so [03:20]
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thestringpuller even reddit hates em: [03:20]
assbot Anonabox scam - Why I don't trust them! : technology [03:21]
mircea_popescu wait, this kickstarter thing is like, repudiable ? [03:21]
mircea_popescu ohohhhohoh [03:21]
mircea_popescu so then why the fuck do you ppl quote the numbers for. [03:21]
asciilifeform the numbers are a running ticker. [03:21]
mircea_popescu i can just go in there, plonk down 1mn for some project, then 25 days later cancel it ? [03:21]
asciilifeform afaik - yes. [03:21]
kakobrekla O_o [03:21]
mircea_popescu Yna so find a far out bitbet and send it there [03:21]
asciilifeform unless that makes it meet goal. [03:21]
asciilifeform then - no [03:21]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform but this met goal. [03:21]
* asciilifeform rtfm-s [03:22]
kakobrekla Yna nothing is guaranteed [03:22]
kakobrekla cept scam. [03:22]
Yna That doesn't seem like a low rick investment [03:22]
kakobrekla scam is guaranteed. [03:22]
Yna risk [03:22]
decimation sounds more like another form of merit-washing to me [03:22]
mircea_popescu Yna how did "gambling adict" turn tro "low risk" [03:22]
decimation daddy mc warbucks puts $1 mil to 'prove' junior is a real businessman, etc [03:23]
Yna Again. [03:23]
Yna As I said I need to lock it somewhere [03:23]
cazalla mats_cd03: i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once <<< how about a belt sander? [03:23]
kakobrekla Yna get in the wot and ill take care of your coins for 1% a year. [03:23]
asciilifeform decimation: merit-washing, yes [03:23]
asciilifeform decimation: usually it's done in a more prestigious venue, though [03:23]
kakobrekla you pay ofc. [03:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform decimation not even, simple penny stock scam. you make "company", ask for 1.1 mn, i drop down 1mn, then withdraw it. you got the "social proof" and some money in the bank/ [03:24]
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mircea_popescu course this is illegal, except if you're a "revolutionary" ycombinator sort of scam. [03:24]
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bounce and don't forget to supply lots of government-issued documents with pictures of you, for your own safety, of course. while I'm holding your coins. and running. [03:24]
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asciilifeform seems like you can cancel up to 48hrs before end time [03:25]
Yna rt [03:26]
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Yna er* [03:26]
asciilifeform [03:26]
mircea_popescu !up undata [03:26]
-assbot- You voiced undata for 30 minutes. [03:26]
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undata mircea_popescu: ty [03:27]
mircea_popescu sure! who're you ? [03:27]
mircea_popescu one day i'm gonna accidentally elide that quote and ask someone whore you? [03:27]
asciilifeform [03:27]
assbot Why Kickstarter 'can't' and won't protect backers once a project is funded | Polygon [03:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so there you have it then. [03:28]
asciilifeform some contradiction though. [03:28]
mircea_popescu it's flushed money, basically. [03:28]
asciilifeform 'Kickstarter advisor and board member Sunny Bates doesn't deny the risks of pledging but argues the price of individual Kickstarter pledges is so low that even if fraud did rear its head it wouldn't be worth the legal action from a backer.' << amazing model. steal a penny from $maxint people - not a crime at all... [03:28]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:28]
undata mircea_popescu: a guy from portland, oregon that writes code [03:28]
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mircea_popescu undata there's worse fates. [03:29]
undata mircea_popescu: I've seen some intelligent-sounding stuff on the trilema blog and thought I'd sit in a while [03:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and then they wanna bitch at bitcoin, these people. [03:29]
kakobrekla asciilifeform thats the model bitstamp is using among others. [03:29]
mircea_popescu i wanna see sonny bate's note from stalin. [03:29]
asciilifeform he walks a free man, that's proof of note [03:30]
asciilifeform (until he doesn't. if stops playing ball in whatever prescribed way.) [03:30]
mircea_popescu no proof of note. i wish to see the actual note. [03:30]
kakobrekla undata you should check the logs perhaps. [03:30]
mircea_popescu this never ending pile of meta-bullshit. [03:30]
asciilifeform chances are, it consists of a list of 19yo kids to be meritwashed on schedule. [03:31]
undata kakobrekla: eh? [03:31]
mircea_popescu i dun think stalin gets to pick the form of his own fucking letters. [03:31]
asciilifeform if you know folks in the publishing industry, consider the story of the sf book/film 'eragon.' [03:31]
kakobrekla undata [03:31]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [03:31]
asciilifeform (turd that was pushed through because note from fellow with note from fellow with note from stalin) [03:31]
thestringpuller eragon is that old? [03:32]
undata kakobrekla: what in particular? [03:32]
kakobrekla the intelligent sounding stuff. [03:32]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: not the story per se [03:32]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller, kakobrekla: the story of how the steaming pile of shit was published. [03:32]
mircea_popescu undata cool. [03:33]
asciilifeform at any rate, what kind of idiot would leave written record of this kind of wink and nod ? [03:38]
asciilifeform (possibly that kind - see 'climategate' etc) [03:38]
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asciilifeform << how sweet the smoke. as if any of these were - or could possibly be - 'unfriendly' [03:46]
assbot FBI director: Tech companies should be required to make devices wire-tap friendly - The Washington Post [03:46]
asciilifeform precisely this, is what differentiates muppet show from puppet show. [03:46]
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asciilifeform obligatory: [03:48]
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thestringpuller also obligatory: [03:52]
bounce such lies. lies and hot button soup. [03:52]
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PinkPosixPXE Thank you [04:00]
asciilifeform from the loltron: [04:03]
assbot How Microsoft Appointed Itself Sheriff of the Internet | WIRED [04:03]
asciilifeform 'a messenger from the courts, who handed him a stack of legal documents—three inches thick. Somewhere in that stack—buried in all the legalese—was the news that Microsoft had taken control of his company, but Durrer didn’t have time to read it. Almost immediately, his pager lit up with messages saying the company’s internet services had stopped working.' [04:03]
asciilifeform (retelling of old news, yes.) [04:04]
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asciilifeform re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread. [04:11]
cazalla qntra down again : [04:11]
cazalla and just as i am about to publish a story [04:11]
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decimation asciilifeform: but what we have seen from the cdc et. al. is incompetence at coordination [04:12]
decimation I suspect that usg is apple's bitch and not vice versa [04:13]
asciilifeform sufficiently advanced incompetence is equivalent to malice, or how did it go. [04:13]
asciilifeform (for some people, still breathing is a malicious act) [04:13]
asciilifeform they know that they do. [04:14]
asciilifeform decimation: apple and usg are not distinct entities. [04:14]
decimation my point is merely that usg has generally shown to be plain incompetent, not conspiratorially incompetent [04:15]
asciilifeform picture a serial killer that picks up women and then proceeds to get lost in the desert [04:16]
kakobrekla isnt that what they would want you to belive decimation [04:16]
asciilifeform runs out of gas, promises to go find help, then never comes [04:16]
asciilifeform dessicated corpses found. [04:16]
asciilifeform then he's caught, pleads that he's simply very forgetful [04:16]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i can't upload images btw, says no write access [04:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00073553 = 24.1989 BTC [-] {4} [04:16]
asciilifeform goes to find town and water, then just kind loses track. [04:16]
asciilifeform not a very organized fellow, you see. [04:16]
asciilifeform not at all conspiratorially competent. [04:17]
decimation kakobrekla: of course, but it's also possible that the pleading is genuine, so that congress or whoever will make a law or something stupid like that [04:17]
cazalla [04:18]
assbot Robocoin Removed By Australian Police As Part Of Drug Arrests | [04:18]
cazalla it's all happening down under [04:18]
asciilifeform !s atm fortress [04:18]
assbot 5 results for 'atm fortress' : [04:18]
asciilifeform [04:19]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2014 06:30:54; mircea_popescu: in any event it's a fortressy thing to do. "here is money for the taking. take it only like so, or else you die" [04:19]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah this is a reasonable idea [04:21]
decimation after all, fortresses in the middle ages were mostly used as tollbooths [04:21]
asciilifeform from point of view of the uniformed thugs, that thing is just a peculiarly heavy chest of cash to plunder. [04:22]
nubbins` [04:22]
assbot Wildly successful crowdfunded 'anonabox' router accused of lying to customers [04:22]
asciilifeform nubbins`: read log [04:22]
decimation the secret keys which 'hold' bitcoin are so easy to lift that it requires impressive trustworthy physical security to protect [04:22]
nubbins` :( [04:22]
asciilifeform decimation: if the builder had any sense, those zeroed when it was unplugged [04:23]
asciilifeform (and/or moved) [04:23]
decimation hopefully the crypto is inserted in a separate plug [04:23]
asciilifeform (not that it is trivial to do this correctly.) [04:23]
kakobrekla Because despite positive press coverage from the Guardian, TechCrunch, WIRED, ReadWrite and beyond ... < you should set the domains of those sites to resolve to in your hosts. [04:24]
asciilifeform zey vere oonly fullowing urders. [04:24]
nubbins` kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen? [04:24]
decimation re: qntra 'purpose' discussion < it would be useful if it simply named names [04:24]
nubbins` i think not! [04:24]
nubbins` that httpd is a secret! [04:25]
PinkPosixPXE I wonder if this live coinbase cofounder AMA coming on in 30 minutes, will be any good. [04:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: re: your 'escape' plans << it's true that in the us your property isn't safe, least of all from usg - but is there really a country that credibly offers a better deal [04:26]
asciilifeform decimation: better deals are sold in various locales. the cost of betterdeals in usa is uncommonly high. [04:27]
asciilifeform (around $maxint, and usually need blood connections) [04:27]
decimation good point. political connections, 'can call $bureaucrat' etc is the us 'better deal' [04:28]
asciilifeform usually no need to call. [04:28]
decimation right, simply threat of call [04:28]
asciilifeform the nomenklatura knows who they are. [04:28]
asciilifeform (didja know that usg has an actual nomenklatura? i didn't, until it was shown to me. the document isn't even secret.) [04:28]
decimation you mean the 'plum book'? [04:29]
asciilifeform of course, not all of the folks who 'don't need to call' are in there. [04:29]
asciilifeform yes, it. [04:29]
decimation supposedly after failing to win the presidency, bob dole went to work for k street - was pay $ 5 digits to make a single phone call [04:29]
decimation because no bureaucrat will not take bob dole's call [04:30]
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decimation wapo had a story yesterday that allows you catch a glipse of 'status', the real money in wash dc [04:31]
assbot Who sits where? The etiquette of dinner seating - The Washington Post [04:31]
asciilifeform there is probably an equivalent of plum for the folks who aren't nominally public servants. it's considerably thicker. [04:31]
decimation usg 'party planner' types studious grade each bureaucrat with the military equivalent, and then rank in parties appropriately [04:32]
nubbins` !s $maxint [04:32]
assbot 43 results for '$maxint' : [04:32]
nubbins` !s $minint [04:32]
assbot 0 results for '$minint' : [04:32]
decimation [04:32]
assbot Across Difficult Country: Ebola Solutions [04:32]
kakobrekla nubbins` you are looking for 'mininum' [04:32]
nubbins` !s $minnaturalnumber [04:33]
assbot 0 results for '$minnaturalnumber' : [04:33]
nubbins` ^ assbot takes a stand [04:33]
asciilifeform << megatrol, 'sim-postal!' [04:33]
assbot Gruesome trailer released for Hatred, a game about mass shootings [04:33]
kakobrekla why does assbot offer you a link when there is 0 results, i dont know. [04:34]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [04:36]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [04:36]
decimation asciilifeform: somehow extreme violence is considered more-or-less 'ok' in the us, but sexuality isn't (at least in public) [04:37]
asciilifeform us? [04:38]
nubbins` kakobrekla proof [04:38]
asciilifeform 'Hatred is a third-person shooter in development from Polish studio Destructive Creations.' [04:38]
decimation heh I didn't see that [04:38]
* asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp the appeal of 'fishing with dynamite' sims [04:38]
asciilifeform there was a sim-auschwitz at one point, if i recall [04:39]
asciilifeform snore. [04:39]
ben_vulpes ;;google papers please [04:39]
gribble Papers, Please: ; Papers, Please - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Papers, Please on Steam: [04:39]
decimation someone should make an 'rpg' where you are in europe post-nazi victory [04:39]
decimation or trying to survive in the gulag [04:39]
decimation ben_vulpes: I loved papers please [04:39]
asciilifeform decimation: gulag << exists. translated, ineptly, with title 'dungeon cleaners.' [04:40]
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asciilifeform is in fact about a prison planet modelled very closely on russian prison (by a former employee, and well-loved blogger Goblin) [04:40]
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decimation heh neat [04:40]
asciilifeform someone could probably make a 'thinking man's Doom' (a la 'Thief') based on the premise of intelligent saboteur/terrorist, who plants limpets, burns reichstags, etc. -- but the author is likely to end up having problems. [04:41]
asciilifeform the way i see it, the meme of small-arms 'postal' is kept going, with maximal help from the many-tentacled beast, to keep miscreants from going full bore 'stand on zanzibar' and using actually effective weapons (their brains, primarily) [04:42]
asciilifeform obligatory: [04:43]
decimation asciilifeform: it has been remarked here before about how good 'democracy' (as practiced today) is so good at misdirecting the masses' need for war/violence/etc [04:44]
asciilifeform [04:44]
asciilifeform decimation: mtb is ok with violence. or, thinks it is, has 'full spectrum dominance' in the field (or thinks so at any rate) [04:44]
asciilifeform ;;isitdown [04:45]
gribble is down [04:45]
decimation it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war [04:45]
asciilifeform phun phact [04:45]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu interestingly, google cache appears to be disabled for trilema. [04:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:45]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. [04:46]
kakobrekla [04:46]
kakobrekla opens here [04:46]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: had it lying around? [04:46]
decimation take for instance that fellow hiding in the woods of PA - he could have done far more 'damage' if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity, rather than murdering a cop and giving every cop in the 5-state area a hardon for his ass [04:47]
kakobrekla the page opened for me. [04:47]
asciilifeform aha [04:47]
kakobrekla as in trilema. [04:47]
thestringpuller decimation: did you ever see the story about the man who lived in maine? [04:48]
decimation thestringpuller: to whom are you referring? [04:48]
thestringpuller [04:49]
assbot Hermit caught after 27 years in Maine woods | US news | [04:49]
asciilifeform that one's famous, yes. [04:49]
asciilifeform there was another one who lived in a dugout in a national park. [04:49]
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asciilifeform decimation: if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity << see the novel 'wasp' (eric frank russel) [04:51]
asciilifeform [04:52]
asciilifeform lol had no idea that was just sitting there, waiting. [04:52]
* asciilifeform wonders if fbi/dhs paid russel's estate royalties when they hosted his tale on the 'resist' honeypot. [04:53]
ben_vulpes nice. [04:53]
ben_vulpes nah libre cover [04:53]
ben_vulpes ofc, bureaucrats [04:53]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform you've an admirable appreciation of their byzantine mindset [04:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: these folks are almost as predictable as stellar bodies [04:54]
thestringpuller is qntra down? [04:54]
ben_vulpes provided you've seen them in action i imagine [04:54]
thestringpuller ;;isdown [04:54]
gribble Error: "isdown" is not a valid command. [04:54]
thestringpuller ;;isup [04:54]
gribble is down [04:54]
decimation that maine fellow is amusing. it demonstrates that as long as you don't make yourself a general 'problem', you will have ranger bob on your ass and not an entire state's police force [04:55]
asciilifeform whose 'general problem' was david koresh? [04:56]
BingoBoingo decimation: A different "ranger bob" could have just as easily left him buried in the woods to be found next century [04:56]
asciilifeform ^ [04:56]
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decimation [04:57]
assbot Cops In Texas Seize Millions By 'Policing for Profit' - Forbes [04:57]
decimation maybe Mr. koresh failed to grease the right palms [04:58]
asciilifeform sometimes the beast just needs target practice. [04:58]
asciilifeform if you're a suitable target - bad luck. [04:58]
asciilifeform to these folks, you and i are just the same as the paper hares and squirrels at the shooting gallery. [04:59]
decimation what about mr. bundy in nevada [05:00]
asciilifeform above the level of the folks who are merely practicing, there's someone who is making a point. same point as every king ever. public impalement to show he still 'has it.' [05:00]
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undata a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed [05:01]
asciilifeform 'Wolf went on, "The weight of a wasp is under half an ounce. Compared with a human being its size is minute, its strength negligible. Its sole armament is a tiny syringe holding a drop of irritant, formic acid, and in this case it didn't even use it. Nevertheless it killed four big men and converted a large, powerful car into a heap of scrap." "I see the point," agreed Mowry, "but where do I come in?" "Right h [05:02]
asciilifeform ere," said Wolf. "We want you to become a wasp."' [05:02]
* asciilifeform recommends this vintage and very entertaining story to everyone [05:02]
decimation re: mr. bundy << rumor was that it was sen. reid behind to whole thing, so that he could 'merit-wash' the land and gift it to his son's enterprises [05:07]
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asciilifeform the solar panel thing? [05:07]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: if it's free why not thanks for the link [05:08]
decimation of course this article describe how that couldn't possibly be the case [05:08]
decimation yeah [05:08]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: if you like paper, and live near a secondhand book shop - it'll be $1 or so. [05:09]
thestringpuller why so cheap? [05:09]
asciilifeform ancient paperback, cult classic [05:09]
thestringpuller oic [05:09]
asciilifeform short, too [05:09]
thestringpuller i'll put it on the bed-computer and read it instead of watching tv in bed [05:10]
asciilifeform << intro to 'meritwashing' for n00bs [05:11]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work [05:11]
asciilifeform ^for the record [05:11]
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* asciilifeform thinking that single-word notation is probably good search engine spamatronic practice [05:11]
decimation "Trusting that the system was fair and just, Americans simply gave up their independence of mind, and put their faith in newspapers and so-called ‘common sense’. The scepticism of Europeans towards public opinion had given way to a naive faith in the wisdom of the crowd. " [05:13]
assbot Alexis de Tocqueville on the Dark Sides of Democracy « Isegoria [05:13]
kakobrekla !google merit washing [05:13]
kakobrekla eh [05:13]
kakobrekla ;;google merit washing [05:13]
gribble MERIT - Early Learning Portal - Access Washington: ; MERIT - Department of Early Learning - Access Washington: ; Washington state career lattice for early care and education ...: [05:13]
asciilifeform lol! [05:14]
decimation de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago [05:14]
ThickAsThieves coinbase ama live vid [05:15]
assbot Coinbase Founders Live AMA - YouTube [05:15]
* asciilifeform prefers notation 'amaa' for these - 'ask me almost anything' [05:15]
asciilifeform truth in advertising, and all that. [05:15]
kakobrekla isnt ama a reddit thing? [05:19]
asciilifeform yes, and a notorious scamwash [05:19]
kakobrekla hm [05:19]
thestringpuller i don't know if I can watch this without cringing [05:19]
asciilifeform where rats of all descriptions are brought onto a stage to show how 'open' they are [05:19]
cazalla i asked em a question [05:19]
assbot Can Africa ever expect reputable companies like /coinbase to service our needs? Countries like Uganda are desperate for legimate players. [05:20]
kakobrekla i dont see anything reddit related on this feed. its on youtube and linking to twitter. [05:20]
cazalla retweet if ya can :P [05:20]
kakobrekla using google hangout. [05:21]
kakobrekla or smth [05:21]
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kakobrekla next is reddit amas on 4chan? [05:21]
cazalla bwahaha [05:22]
thestringpuller cazalla: they answered it [05:24]
thestringpuller just now [05:24]
thestringpuller Wow that was quick [05:24]
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cazalla i should've mentioned ebola in my first tweet : [05:24]
thestringpuller Hmm. Will this thing be recorded? [05:24]
cazalla thestringpuller, they usually are [05:24]
thestringpuller he was talking about how he doesn't know how one would enter a local market in africa cause he's not an expert [05:25]
thestringpuller but that's probably where it's needed most. [05:25]
thestringpuller i'll transcribe the response when i can rewind [05:26]
cazalla don't bother, i'm only trying to troll them [05:26]
thestringpuller LOL [05:26]
thestringpuller well you succeeded [05:26]
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thestringpuller are we all watching this now? [05:36]
RagnarDanneskjol unfortunately yes [05:36]
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decimation asciilifeform: this story reads like the kgb playbook [05:54]
thestringpuller XD [05:55]
assbot PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [05:56]
ben_vulpes xdotcommer back around eh? [05:56]
decimation [05:56]
assbot Yuri Bezmenov: Deception Was My Job (Complete) - YouTube [05:56]
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PinkPosixPXE Thanks BingoBoingo [05:57]
asciilifeform decimation: basic playbook, i doubt has changed since babylon. [05:58]
PinkPosixPXE I just want the bitcoin pillow [05:59]
PinkPosixPXE I want a room of them that I can swim in [05:59]
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ThickAsThieves they wont answer my q :( [06:05]
assbot /coinbase What is your policy and plan regarding blacklisting bitcoin addresses and associating them with customer accounts? [06:05]
asciilifeform decimation: '... former propagandist for kgb!!!111!!' << i'd love to watch a film like this about usa. [06:06]
PinkPosixPXE Someone beat me to mine, re bringing John Collins on board [06:06]
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kakobrekla ill answer it for you. "we are in US so we need to lick dirty anuses. we called chief dirty anus licker expert on board. not only he has experience he also has connections that will allow us to get the freshest anuses." [06:08]
PinkPosixPXE hahaha [06:08]
BingoBoingo ;;isitup [06:08]
gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. [06:08]
PinkPosixPXE nice [06:09]
thestringpuller ;;isup [06:09]
gribble is up [06:09]
thestringpuller ;;ping [06:09]
gribble pong [06:09]
asciilifeform 403 [06:09]
thestringpuller me too [06:09]
PinkPosixPXE it's up, but it's getting a 403 forbidden [06:09]
BingoBoingo Also see 403 [06:09]
PinkPosixPXE want me to fix it for you ;P [06:09]
kakobrekla another one with a death wish. [06:09]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: [06:10]
asciilifeform << more phun from mr. b. [06:13]
assbot Feminists Are Useful Idiots, And Doomed. Must Watch. - YouTube [06:13]
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asciilifeform (segment of above, i think) [06:15]
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PinkPosixPXE ;;status [06:16]
gribble (status takes no arguments) -- Returns the status of the bot. [06:16]
PinkPosixPXE ;;status [06:16]
gribble I am connected to freenode as gribble. [06:16]
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assbot Horseshoe Casino Cleveland customer arrested after comment about Ebola | [06:41]
asciilifeform gonna see fewer of those when the leprosariae open. [06:41]
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atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326926.13 in 91 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.59 [06:46]
asciilifeform << neato [06:50]
assbot Let's Look At: Papers, Please (Beta) - YouTube [06:50]
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mod6 < 100 to go 'eh [06:51]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller lol derpy cloudflare. [06:53]
mircea_popescu not only it doesn't do anything, but it also... doesn't do anything. [06:53]
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mircea_popescu and just as i am about to publish a story << yeah well that'sdhelped along by the fact that you're always about to publish one lol [06:54]
BingoBoingo %t [06:56]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [06:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread. << quite. "need reasons" [06:59]
asciilifeform 'stockholm syndrome', or some other condition, IANAS (not a shrink) [07:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you mean google cache disabled ? [07:00]
asciilifeform have a looksee [07:00]
asciilifeform google for, e.g., -- trilema nobody could have foreseen [07:01]
mircea_popescu Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket - Trilema [07:01]
mircea_popescu [07:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00073906 = 4.8039 BTC [+] [07:01]
asciilifeform well yes [07:01]
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asciilifeform but which links show a cache tickbox [07:01]
asciilifeform and which don't [07:01]
mircea_popescu none of them do nor have for years ? [07:01]
asciilifeform (cough up some example where trilema and nontrilema links share the top box) [07:02]
asciilifeform srsly? [07:02]
mircea_popescu afaik [07:02]
asciilifeform robots.txt flag ? [07:02]
mircea_popescu i've not seen those cached links for agws. they still exist ? [07:02]
mircea_popescu i don't see them ion any sites [07:02]
asciilifeform odd [07:02]
asciilifeform i think you might need a civilian www browser to see them [07:02]
thestringpuller qntra is using cloudflare? [07:03]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it was. [07:03]
thestringpuller XD [07:03]
thestringpuller why is qntra getting attacked so heavily? [07:03]
mircea_popescu i dunno dude. [07:04]
asciilifeform somebody has an otherwise-idle chumpnet, clearly. [07:04]
thestringpuller this reminds me of back when mpex got ddosed [07:04]
asciilifeform (see discussion of botnet economics from the other day) [07:04]
thestringpuller !s botnet economics [07:04]
assbot 0 results for 'botnet economics' : [07:04]
thestringpuller ? [07:05]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen? << no, they have to enter combinations of keys first. [07:05]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: [07:05]
assbot Logged on 16-10-2014 01:26:15; asciilifeform: back to botnet topic - we will increasingly see pointless acts of hooliganism [07:05]
mircea_popescu since you were mentioning it, [07:07]
assbot United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions (Plum Book), 2012 [07:07]
asciilifeform was never secret. [07:07]
asciilifeform srsly one sat in my old office. [07:08]
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asciilifeform plumbook is not interesting because of the appointees (everybody who gives half a damn already knows who they are.) but for the 'ses' bureaucrats, the real backbone of usg. [07:11]
asciilifeform these are immune to elections and more or less all weather [07:12]
mircea_popescu ;;isitdown [07:12]
gribble is up [07:12]
mircea_popescu decimation: it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war << who in the us is innocent ? [07:13]
mircea_popescu and of what exactly ? [07:13]
thestringpuller is trilema getting attacked too? [07:20]
thestringpuller it's up for me but really slow [07:20]
mircea_popescu Even more property was forfeited by participating in a federal program known as “equitable sharing.” By partnering with a federal agency, local and state law enforcement can keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds from a forfeited property. Incredibly, police can collaborate even if doing so would circumvent their own states’ protections for property owners. [07:24]
mircea_popescu herp. [07:24]
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mircea_popescu "Between 2001 and 2007, law enforcement agencies seized and kept over 35,000 cars, homes and electronics, forfeiting more than $280 million." [07:26]
mircea_popescu check out how osama won :D [07:26]
asciilifeform probably truth, if there's any in that line, is - netted 280m on auction. [07:26]
asciilifeform stole - $billions. [07:26]
undata to be fair, the cops have been involved in similar corruption in the US since the beginning [07:27]
asciilifeform (confiscate house, sell for half price to fella with stalin note) [07:27]
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mthreat that's been happening for a while.. 90s at least [07:27]
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mircea_popescu undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed <<< which fails to explain why the us govt is not taking better care of staying out of our way. [07:27]
mircea_popescu mthreat i show my link you show me yours ? :D [07:28]
mthreat [07:28]
assbot I heard that /coindesk pays all of their writers in fiat! RT if you think they should offer pay in bitcoin! /shak /emilyspaven /southtopia [07:28]
mthreat my reply: "I'd rather they just stop publishing altogether." [07:28]
mircea_popescu or maybe they should pay them in shares lol. [07:29]
mthreat touche [07:29]
mthreat may have same effect [07:29]
mircea_popescu coinbase shares for sure. [07:30]
mircea_popescu a secret that won't stay under wraps for so long. [07:30]
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undata mthreat: the history of the LAPD is particulary interesting [07:33]
undata mircea_popescu: on the one hand you have the inept, sprawling bureaucracy [07:35]
mircea_popescu <<< the amused retorts of the guy. [07:35]
assbot Feminists Are Useful Idiots, And Doomed. Must Watch. - YouTube [07:35]
mircea_popescu "why... becausae yu're stupid, that's why" [07:35]
undata the pentagon side of things seems rather effective [07:35]
thestringpuller yay qntra is back up! [07:35]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller why are you so invested anyway lol [07:36]
thestringpuller Cause I like reading things. [07:36]
thestringpuller that aren't reddit [07:36]
thestringpuller or coindesk [07:36]
undata one can look to black nationalism for an example of how the usgov deals with an actual, organized opposition [07:36]
mircea_popescu how's that ? [07:37]
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undata mircea_popescu: they went after its command structure with assassinations, (sometimes wrongful) imprisonments, etc [07:39]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller makes sense. [07:39]
undata meanwhile destroying the communities with crack, economic oppression, other tools [07:39]
mircea_popescu undata this seems rather dubious a summary to me. [07:39]
undata this is sort of musing on the idea of an actual opponent to the US govt [07:39]
mircea_popescu there's two points here. the easy to dispatch one is the naive narcissism. i can see why you'd imagine the usg is important or powerful. this is neither true or particularly likely, from a neutral pov. but moving on, [07:41]
mircea_popescu you ever saw the movie jackie brown ? [07:41]
undata I haven't; worth seeing? [07:41]
mircea_popescu i'd say so, yes. [07:42]
mircea_popescu there's a fine example of your "black nationalism" in there, as deployed by sam l jackson's character [07:42]
mircea_popescu or at least, it's a fine summary of what i tihnk of it. [07:42]
Vexual excellent flick [07:42]
undata mircea_popescu: I was looking for a film for tonight anyway. [07:43]
mircea_popescu so then enjoy and we can continue the convo after. [07:43]
undata alright [07:43]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu has seen jackie brown? [07:43]
mircea_popescu course ? [07:43]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema jackie brown [07:44]
gribble Mai 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Life of Crime *** (2013, Jennifer Aniston, Tim Robbins, Isla Fisher ...: [07:44]
undata oh, nevermind, I've seen this [07:44]
undata mircea_popescu: ^ [07:44]
mircea_popescu ok. so there's "black nationalism". "that's what they do, turning brother against brother" [07:44]
mircea_popescu it was never anything but a chumpatron. [07:45]
mircea_popescu a woefully transparent one at that. [07:45]
undata right, I wasn't saying it had any chance [07:45]
mircea_popescu that's not the point tho. the point is that it wasn't anything but a cheap sales pitch, without any substance. [07:46]
mircea_popescu even the scientologists got more meat on the bones than that. [07:46]
mircea_popescu (and notice that the scientologists raped the fuck out of the usg, in the 70s. back when it was still a thing) [07:46]
undata right, that's a good example of the weakness to be fair [07:47]
mircea_popescu so no, the usg didn't black nationality anything. it just put a bunch of thugs away, and much fewer than it either could or should have. [07:47]
thestringpuller Accross 110th Street [07:48]
thestringpuller i'm going to listen to that soundtrack now [07:49]
mircea_popescu hey not a bad idea. [07:49]
undata I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think might displace the US govt. [07:52]
mircea_popescu this. [07:52]
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undata mircea_popescu: pure capitalism atop bitcoin? [07:56]
mircea_popescu no, economy and government are unrelated. [07:56]
mircea_popescu this, #bitcoin-assets. [07:56]
undata hm, I suppose I'd better stick around then. [07:57]
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mircea_popescu can't hurt haha [07:58]
Vexual fonda: wanna fuck? deniro:sure [07:58]
mircea_popescu undata << there, coupla articles to save you from trying to shoot in the dark [07:59]
assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:59]
assbot GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:59]
thestringpuller lol Vexual [08:00]
thestringpuller that was an interesting scene [08:00]
undata mircea_popescu: I'll check them out; I was talking with friends earlier about how a WoT could be used to delegate authorities to members of an organization [08:00]
mircea_popescu a yeah, there's that, too [08:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google what the wot is how it works and how to use it [08:00]
gribble How WOT ratings work | Help Center | WOT (Web of Trust): ; Why WOT works | WOT (Web of Trust): ; What to do when the World of Tanks game launcher doesn't work ...: [08:00]
mircea_popescu fu gribble [08:00]
mircea_popescu wtf google do you use seriously ? [08:01]
mircea_popescu < there. [08:01]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [08:01]
asciilifeform << me derping re: wot prior to knowing anything on subject. posted for archaeologists a while ago.. [08:01]
assbot kyristor [08:01]
undata mircea_popescu: I'll read, digest and get back to ya [08:01]
asciilifeform (re: delegate authorities) [08:01]
undata asciilifeform: huh... yeah, that. [08:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform gitta satm you got the formalisaiton quite exactly. [08:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform gotta say, you got the formalisation quite exactly. [08:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wrote most of that turd in mid-'09 [08:04]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: started out with notion of automatic iq test for gating forums - junked, because realized that thinking people usually vouched for by others of their kind [08:05]
asciilifeform then proceeded to generalize [08:05]
asciilifeform but did nothing of any use whatsoever with this, because - the mines. [08:05]
asciilifeform not even the toil of the mines, but wasn't certain that cared for much human contact anyway [08:06]
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mircea_popescu Судьбы моей рычаг, [08:06]
asciilifeform ^yes [08:06]
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asciilifeform ...урановый рудник бутугычаг. [08:07]
mircea_popescu it's funny what people make out of things. [08:07]
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mircea_popescu insanely enough, trilema ranks for Zhygulin [08:12]
mircea_popescu why is this guy so obscure anyway [08:12]
asciilifeform [08:13]
assbot , [08:13]
asciilifeform not really obscure [08:13]
asciilifeform just not ported. [08:13]
asciilifeform << complete works [08:14]
assbot . [08:14]
mircea_popescu i suppose soljenitsin is more readily accessible, and whatever, tolstoy readily seems so to teh western reader [08:15]
asciilifeform also more useful for the purposes of the translators [08:15]
asciilifeform and so picked. [08:15]
mircea_popescu like useful how [08:16]
asciilifeform like making convenient orcs [08:17]
mircea_popescu tolstoy ?! [08:17]
asciilifeform (aside from orcs existing perfectly well, they must also be made - apparently such is the nature of pesky humans) [08:17]
asciilifeform speaking more of herr s [08:18]
mircea_popescu i picked the pair for a reason11! [08:18]
asciilifeform hm [08:18]
mircea_popescu but be that as it may, it's fascinating how the stuff that doesn't cross is always more interesting than the stuff that does [08:19]
asciilifeform and not merely because unfamiliar. [08:19]
mircea_popescu and this seems fucking independnet of which side you sit on if any at all, and time invariant for that matter. [08:19]
asciilifeform yes. [08:19]
asciilifeform because the things on other side of a filter - always more interesting - alive. [08:19]
mircea_popescu no. for one thing, "i salute you, memories of my youth, and knob upon which my fate turned" is unfamiliar to no one [08:19]
mircea_popescu besides, fucking latins had the same observation. [08:20]
asciilifeform lever. [08:21]
mircea_popescu in any case, this speaks directly to a revolutionary wonderment, to wit that "how is it that these reactionary types always see the golden age in some past". [08:21]
mircea_popescu well... because nobody translates worth a shit, and filters even worse than that ? perhaps ? [08:21]
ben_vulpes my golden age is today [08:22]
ben_vulpes i mean its dingy as fuck but mebbe if i work really hard [08:22]
Vexual you shoerted copper too? [08:22]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes golden ages are of cultures not of people you lout you! [08:23]
asciilifeform but also 'traduttore, tradittore.' [08:23]
asciilifeform e.g., the brit translation of 'monday begins on saturday' (strugatski brothers) [08:23]
asciilifeform just doesn't, well, go. [08:23]
asciilifeform because how would it. [08:23]
ben_vulpes ah yes well i'm but an american lout [08:23]
ben_vulpes a pauperized american lout [08:23]
ben_vulpes despite my best bezzlefforts [08:23]
mircea_popescu but also 'traduttore, tradittore.' << but consider ... cinema treason adds to the story. [08:24]
ben_vulpes (which - i ain't sharing details - are pretty good) [08:24]
mircea_popescu who ever heard of narration substractive treason [08:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw you ever seen sedmikrasky ? [08:25]
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asciilifeform negative [08:26]
asciilifeform looks interesting though [08:26]
mircea_popescu a, maybe check it out. 1960s femen. [08:26]
asciilifeform banned for wasting food on the set, lulzies. [08:27]
mircea_popescu mhm. [08:27]
mircea_popescu 60s. [08:27]
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Vexual not much has changed since then [08:32]
asciilifeform k was supposed to ride on a demo vehicle gizmo, [08:34]
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asciilifeform lives in my... [08:35]
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asciilifeform everybody's got'em [08:35]
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Vexual why didn't you? [08:46]
Vexual (ride the aforementioned device) [08:47]
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asciilifeform Vexual: meant, s was to be a demo system for k [08:52]
Vexual I have no idea what youre talking about •nevermind [08:53]
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Vexual im sure the readers would prefer your discourse to mine [08:57]
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Vexual [09:20]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [09:29]
gribble is up [09:29]
mircea_popescu cheerios. [09:29]
mircea_popescu this should be the end of ddos issues. [09:29]
mircea_popescu got a decent router in front of the server, puny as it is. [09:30]
mircea_popescu beefy server still due this coming week. [09:30]
Vexual you ganna sell the blacklist? [09:30]
mircea_popescu just publish it. [09:30]
Vexual [09:33]
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mircea_popescu cazalla great robocoin find btw lol [09:42]
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pete_dushenski i'm looking for a non-us-based email host and found this: [09:56]
assbot Pricing | [09:56]
pete_dushenski i'm in no rush, so if anyone has recommendations, please to give me a holla :) [09:56]
pete_dushenski i'm also open to suggestions for web hosting and ddos prevention services, since we're on the topic atm [09:57]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu:"Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic." << lmao. this pretty much made my night [09:58]
pete_dushenski undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed << hm. now why might that be? [10:01]
pete_dushenski decimation: de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago << mhm. which is why he would've loved to watch the pendulum swing back in the "proper" direction. [10:04]
assbot Democracy vs. Aristocracy | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [10:04]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: my golden age is today << lady v is with child already? [10:11]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: this should be the end of ddos issues. << wunderbar. contravex's links will work! [10:12]
pete_dushenski and as a closing thought before the dreams take hold, i have a hard time imagining that bitstamp will seize much more than 10k bitcoin. what's that, a week of price depression? [10:14]
pete_dushenski the usgcannon is regressing from a-bombs to slingshots, slowly but surely. [10:14]
pete_dushenski and with that, bon soir! [10:15]
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Vexual hi pete [10:18]
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Vexual the abc version is interesting, poastcode tags [10:33]
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mircea_popescu oh what fresh hell awaits us today ? [18:50]
ThickAsThieves [18:50]
Adlai [18:50]
assbot Democracy and Education in the 21st Century and Beyond: An Interview With Noam Chomsky [18:50]
kakobrekla [18:51]
mircea_popescu Adlai he say anything interesting ? [18:51]
Adlai mircea_popescu: still reading [18:51]
ThickAsThieves "You have to improve the institutions responsible for indoctrination of the young. You have to control children. You have to make sure that they're not too free and creative and independent, and it shows up in all sorts of ways." [18:52]
mircea_popescu this is like self-plagiarism [18:53]
mircea_popescu he was saying that in the 70s [18:53]
ThickAsThieves he's just happy he can remember [18:53]
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assbot Distributed Web of Trust Proposal 2 - My Private Wiki [18:54]
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mircea_popescu you know it's startying to wear on me this. there's a currently-in-the-process-of-universalizing-itself mode of behaviour of the principal mode of failure of contemporary youth (previously discussed) which consists in essentially... prayer. [18:55]
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Adlai mircea_popescu: he's paraphrasing a book, i don't think he agrees with that statement himself [18:55]
mircea_popescu "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT" [18:55]
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mircea_popescu fucking helpless twerp brigade. [18:56]
* Adlai didn't quite follow [18:56]
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* bounce starts the church of bitcoin. you know, like scientology, only with bitcoin instead of bad sf. [18:57]
mircea_popescu Adlai that's like the worst error message ever. [18:57]
mircea_popescu bounce yeah, just make sure you have a wallet inspector made out of two cans and a string or something. [18:57]
Adlai "printer on fire" [18:57]
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kakobrekla hey i got a patent on that. [18:58]
bounce mod a robocoin for bitcoin-paid confession taking or something [18:58]
bounce a patent on setting printers on fire? [18:59]
Adlai "One reason we don't hear anything about [5M killed in the Congo] is because there's very limited official US involvement of the press corps." [18:59]
ThickAsThieves i have peterl a list of blawgs to make a new aggregator, i *think* i got everyone [18:59]
kakobrekla no no, the cans and strings. [18:59]
ThickAsThieves gave* [18:59]
bounce so you can sue kindergarten science fairs [18:59]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i was using it under license :D [19:00]
kakobrekla :D [19:00]
bounce "respect mah intellectual propertay!" [19:00]
Adlai mircea_popescu: so you mean that the failure mode of contemporary youth is that they pray with their hands instead of their feet? [19:01]
mircea_popescu Adlai you readily ignored the (previously discussed) reference and now are making a soup of the statement ? [19:01]
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mircea_popescu << there, lemme do the work. [19:02]
assbot Logged on 16-10-2014 16:13:23; mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world" [19:02]
Adlai oh, i thought you were talking about the chomsky article [19:02]
ThickAsThieves well he was [19:03]
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mircea_popescu in my own way... [19:03]
mircea_popescu to quote the cristina chick, "todo hace juego con todo" [19:03]
mircea_popescu course the antioficialismo newspapers are nao calling her paranoid over that impermissible holistic approach. [19:04]
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ThickAsThieves off they go... [19:08]
assbot U.S. Soldiers Get Just Four Hours of Ebola Training - The Daily Beast [19:08]
mircea_popescu just ? how much shoukld they get ? [19:09]
mircea_popescu a fucking postdoc ? [19:09]
ThickAsThieves agreed [19:10]
mircea_popescu "wear this gear. wash your hands. don't put stuff in your eyes, mouth, asshole" [19:10]
ThickAsThieves like it takes 4 hours to teach someone to go AWOL [19:10]
mircea_popescu dude i just did 30 seconds ebola training for intelligent people. [19:10]
ThickAsThieves “I’ll be honest with you,” one soldier told the newspaper. “I’m kind of scared.” [19:10]
mircea_popescu that us soldiers need 14400 seconds seems mildly insulting. [19:11]
ThickAsThieves i'm worried this will turn into the thing that traps me in the US forever [19:11]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i think going awol is probably more of a risk than ebola. [19:12]
Adlai "don't eat shit" [19:13]
Adlai ThickAsThieves: are you seriously worried about contracting ebola? [19:13]
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ThickAsThieves no [19:13]
ThickAsThieves thats not what i meant [19:14]
mircea_popescu well, unless there's a refugee camp with hot sexy 12 year old locals. then all bets are off. Standard UN policy in the matter, as seen in Congo, Haiti, Liberia, Sudan, Burundi etc. [19:14]
ThickAsThieves i mean i'm worried this will turn into a whole new CDC that operates like Homeland Security [19:14]
ThickAsThieves and more freedoms removed [19:14]
ThickAsThieves etc [19:14]
Adlai "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself", but sadly that includes other people's fear [19:14]
mircea_popescu ah don't worry about that tat. you can always fuck a virgin and you'll be cured. or if not, one can make a proposal and publish it on tumblr. [19:15]
mircea_popescu there are so many ways to resolve problems now that we have the social media. [19:15]
Adlai it's amazing how the same remedies cure both aids and ebola [19:15]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:15]
ThickAsThieves cured of oppression by virgin [19:15]
mircea_popescu Adlai praise jeebus! [19:15]
ThickAsThieves i'm game i guess [19:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ironically, that's the one thing where it does work. [19:15]
mircea_popescu but seriously : this machine which purports to remove freedoms, as if, and replace them with "rights", as if. [19:17]
mircea_popescu fuck your fiat rights lmao. hard freedoms! [19:17]
mircea_popescu usg: "you have the right to blablabla" cartman: "fuck you, i do what i want" [19:18]
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Adlai usg: "respect my authoritah!" [19:20]
ThickAsThieves "Check out new CEX.IO wallpapers!" [19:20]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:20]
ThickAsThieves fukn wallpapers [19:20]
mircea_popescu cartman: "screw you guise, i'm going home" [19:20]
ThickAsThieves where the fuck is my qntra wallpapers [19:21]
ThickAsThieves maybe swol would be better [19:21]
ThickAsThieves mpex you slackin [19:21]
mircea_popescu they fell in between the server's ddorsal fins [19:21]
mircea_popescu wallpapers holy shit, we can't even afford a cascading ss. [19:22]
ThickAsThieves true [19:22]
mircea_popescu and the typefaces are from the cheapo bin at the print shop [19:22]
ThickAsThieves Ethereum announced they hired new people to make a new website and new 'brand' [19:22]
ThickAsThieves wtf [19:22]
mircea_popescu mwahjahha [19:22]
ThickAsThieves ttheyre like branded into the ground as is [19:22]
mircea_popescu where are all the people "interested" in lending me some to short ? [19:23]
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mircea_popescu o, shit, i forgot. all their "investors" never actually existed. ooops. [19:23]
ThickAsThieves their update is ALL hirings [19:23]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you can write their next update yourself. so can i. if either of us do and we send it to qntra, [19:23]
ThickAsThieves maybe not all, i couldnt read to the end... [19:23]
mircea_popescu would it be news or would it not be news ? [19:23]
ThickAsThieves sature [19:24]
ThickAsThieves i [19:24]
mircea_popescu hm ? [19:24]
ThickAsThieves satire [19:24]
ThickAsThieves not news [19:24]
Adlai it's ingenious, you can't short something which doesn't exist [19:24]
mircea_popescu no, it would actually be news. inasmuch as we KNOW that's what's going to happen. [19:24]
ThickAsThieves prophesizing? [19:24]
Adlai new word: prophletizing [19:24]
TomServo prediction? [19:24]
mircea_popescu Adlai if you review the log, there was ev en a contract drawn for the purpose. and a bunch of people were gonna participate. [19:24]
mircea_popescu TomServo but it already happened. [19:25]
Adlai !s short ether [19:25]
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mircea_popescu how is something that's a fact that idiots don't know anything but news ? [19:25]
Adlai prophletizing = making up prophecies for the purpose of prosletizing [19:25]
mircea_popescu that's not how you spell that. [19:26]
ThickAsThieves sorry mp, just cuz you haz confidence in your ability to predict what predictable will do, doesnt make your predictions news or fact [19:26]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves do you dispuite the ethereum "money" is already stolen at this point ? [19:26]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt dare [19:26]
mircea_popescu seems you don't actually have an argument past empty formalism. [19:26]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:27]
ThickAsThieves formalism? [19:27]
BingoBoingo ;;isup [19:27]
gribble is down [19:27]
mircea_popescu "do ity like this cause that's how it's done" [19:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i knoe ;/ [19:27]
BingoBoingo Ah [19:27]
ThickAsThieves so lets just skip formalities and settle some bitbets now [19:27]
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ThickAsThieves i'm sure you KNOW the answers [19:27]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't dare. [19:28]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:28]
mircea_popescu but no, generally, i have nfi. [19:28]
ThickAsThieves !b 1 [19:28]
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ThickAsThieves gotcha [19:28]
mircea_popescu tis true, whadda ya want from me. [19:28]
Adlai fucking ideas [19:28]
ThickAsThieves what we all want [19:28]
ThickAsThieves answers! [19:29]
* Adlai can't handle the truth tho [19:29]
mircea_popescu yeah well i have scant few of those and nobody seems to like 'em. [19:29]
ThickAsThieves well we're all here aint we [19:29]
mircea_popescu oic [19:30]
mircea_popescu yeah, i guess that's a point. [19:30]
* Adlai is only here for the hookers and blow [19:30]
mircea_popescu ;;seen moiety [19:30]
gribble moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: i have to go, it was nice to see yous [19:30]
mircea_popescu shit, scottie's back ?! [19:30]
mircea_popescu (tbh, irrespective of her manul infatuations, this is how i've always imagined moiety : ) [19:31]
Adlai tl;dr of chomsky's interview: Had the people in the 1950s had been asked, "Do you want your taxes to go to development of the kind of technology that will allow your grandchildren to have iPads or do you want your taxes to go into a livable society? Health care, education, places where people can have decent lives? And so on. What would people have decided? Well, whatever the answer was, they didn't [19:31]
Adlai have an answer because they never had a choice. [19:31]
mircea_popescu this idea that "people" should have "a choice" is bullshit of the first degree. [19:32]
mircea_popescu they had all the choices they can meaningfully have. go to work or don't. read or don't read, beat your wife or don't beat your wife, whatever. [19:33]
Adlai eh, i don't think it has to be bullshit, it's just bullshit in the current way government is conducted [19:33]
mircea_popescu they made THOSE choices, and this is the result. [19:33]
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mircea_popescu if it sucks, it's because they suck. that's all. [19:33]
Adlai if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in [19:33]
mircea_popescu Adlai we readily agree, provided by "current way government is conducted" you mean "pencil dicks who chiefly need the government to steal from others and give them part of the proceeds as a means of support derp about how to formalise choice" [19:34]
mircea_popescu what the fuck, "the answer was". chomsky conveniently forgets all the problems inherent in FORMALISNG these problems, in speech ? [19:34]
ThickAsThieves i gotta agree, if thats the TLDR of Chomsky's thing, it's useless babble at best [19:34]
mircea_popescu what is this, senility day, buffett structures his business so as to avoid tax then derps that he pays less than his secretary so his middle management shouild be taxed more [19:35]
mircea_popescu and chomsky proposes people be ASKED ?! like how, orally ? [19:35]
ThickAsThieves sounds like a horrible drunken philosophy conversation, inventing moments of choice in the past [19:35]
mircea_popescu he's not yet come up with a way to ask people how intelligent they are. what the fuck. [19:35]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves exactly. [19:35]
Adlai my takeaway from it is that he's disappointed with how [his] government has mishandled tax money over the past decades, and disappointed in how "intellectuals" have been unable to steer government towards benefitting anybody other than aforementioned pencildicks [19:35]
mircea_popescu that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails" [19:36]
Adlai although i must say, they're not really pencildicked if they've managed to fool so many people so much of the time [19:36]
ThickAsThieves well how can we social media and seo while making important choices about the past? [19:36]
mircea_popescu Adlai that's what pencil dicks are : those who attempt to fool people as a means to existence. [19:36]
mircea_popescu see, they need to, because pencil dick. [19:37]
Adlai they're not just attempting though, they're vastly successful at it [19:37]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> that's what "chomksy" means. "disappointed over how the people running his ideology apportion the proceeds of the theft that ideology entails" /// i like that [19:37]
mircea_popescu Adlai yes, but failure is no defense. [19:37]
Adlai practically speaking, it doesn't matter if they're pencildicked or horsecocked, they're still raping our children [19:38]
mircea_popescu but anyway, alkl this aside, let's put to bed the "if government were structured as a business selling services to citizens, they could choose what to "invest" in" idiocy. [19:38]
mircea_popescu yes, they would. [19:38]
ThickAsThieves and theyd be wrong too [19:38]
Adlai well we probably wouldn't call it "government" at that point [19:38]
mircea_popescu well... the forum is investing, ain't it ? [19:39]
mircea_popescu the solution is to remove all the means to choice from the mass. [19:39]
Adlai we'd just call it "that company that handles my health insurance", or "that company that pays the garbage guy" [19:39]
mircea_popescu they shouldn't have money, or the vote, or for that matter be able to read at all. [19:39]
ThickAsThieves crowds are horrible at decisions [19:39]
ThickAsThieves exponentially too [19:39]
mircea_popescu they should find a master when old enough to interest anyone, and live thus, as slaves. [19:39]
ThickAsThieves even a 12-person board can ruin a company led by a masterful ceo [19:40]
* Adlai was toying the other day with an alternate world where everybody is born into indentured servitude, but can buy their way to freedom once they've saved up enough [19:40]
mircea_popescu Adlai something like that, but not exactly money based. [19:40]
mircea_popescu wot based. [19:40]
ThickAsThieves adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2 [19:40]
ThickAsThieves or In Time [19:40]
mircea_popescu when enough people trust you (people!!! not fucktards/slaves) you emancipate. [19:40]
Adlai In Time was a fantastically bad execution of an interesting idea [19:41]
* Adlai googles black mirror [19:41]
ThickAsThieves still fun to watch [19:41]
ThickAsThieves guilty, but i liked it [19:41]
ThickAsThieves Black Mirror is a much different take [19:41]
ThickAsThieves the whole series is cool [19:41]
ThickAsThieves but ep2 is best [19:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves is this the one with the cubical universe ? [19:41]
Adlai yes it's well-produced, lots of effects and sexy young actors. still a terrible movie. [19:41]
mircea_popescu some guy saves up and gives some chick his credits, she ends up bullied into pronz ? [19:41]
ThickAsThieves shhh [19:42]
mircea_popescu no, i'm with adlai : HORRIBRU execution. [19:42]
ThickAsThieves he was talking about In Time [19:42]
mircea_popescu that should probably be redone, but with a sexploitation cast and perhaps tarantino in charge. [19:42]
Adlai and please, a better ending [19:42]
ThickAsThieves they both play on same concept though [19:42]
ThickAsThieves life credits [19:42]
mircea_popescu granted. [19:42]
mircea_popescu but srsly, i wouldn't do tokens. [19:42]
Adlai i'm fine with open ended philosophical movies having open ended philosophical endings [19:42]
mircea_popescu let it be wot trust, it's the correct solution. [19:43]
Adlai but action movies should have an ending that ends, period [19:43]
mircea_popescu not tokenisable. [19:43]
mircea_popescu Adlai thse shoulds are iffy. [19:43]
danielpbarron if assbot l2 goes under -10, you die? [19:43]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron no, you just shut the fuck up [19:43]
Adlai no, you just have to beg for food in a different irc channel [19:43]
mircea_popescu ^ [19:44]
Adlai isn't currency just a fungible trust system though? [19:44]
mircea_popescu not at all. [19:44]
Adlai it SHOULD be! [19:44]
BingoBoingo runaway politeness: [19:44]
assbot over 50 hours to sync localy Issue #3953 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [19:44]
mircea_popescu Adlai nope. [19:44]
mircea_popescu trust is not a scalar. [19:44]
Adlai is it binary? how would you quantify it? [19:45]
ThickAsThieves "This is well known, but swearing won't do anything except insult people and elicit responses like: If you think you can do better then do better." [19:45]
mircea_popescu "it drops local connections like a whore that's lost her crack pipe. something is badly broken and needs to be fixed urgently." [19:45]
mircea_popescu Adlai how about you read and then we resume. [19:46]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:46]
assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:46]
Apocalyptic In Time was a fantastically bad execution of an interesting idea // pretty much [19:46]
Adlai wonderful: [19:46]
assbot Linux kernel swear counts [19:46]
Apocalyptic if this is the film with Timberlake [19:46]
ben_vulpes Pierre_Rochard: clojure's mostly libs, less frameworks. the stack we use is http-kit for serving web apps, and datomic on postgres for data persistence. [19:46]
Adlai Apocalyptic: yes, timberlake and seyfried iirc [19:46]
ben_vulpes for API's we use liberator, which neatly takes all of the functions in a namespace and turns them into rest-y endpoints [19:47]
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* Adlai reads a little [19:47]
mike_c "Not the place for neither profanity nor a discussion on profanity." [19:48]
mike_c hm.. "just do what i say and stfu" [19:48]
mike_c kiss my ass? [19:48]
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mircea_popescu mike_c do you find rimming enjoyable ? [19:49]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [19:49]
mike_c my ass, not my asshole [19:50]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [19:50]
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mircea_popescu wait, anyone actually means THAT !? [19:50]
Adlai what's the use [19:50]
mircea_popescu "here, kiss my elbow." [19:50]
Adlai "kiss my cheek" :* "no the other one" [19:50]
mike_c we should get this ivan frimmel guy in here, i like the way he yells at bitcoin devs. [19:50]
mircea_popescu :* "no, not up here, down there" [19:50]
mircea_popescu mike_c so send him a githubsocialmedia privatemessage [19:50]
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mike_c on the other hand, he's all over the bfl forums [19:55]
ThickAsThieves “If people use bitcoin in a lazy, easily censorable way where they are reusing addresses – which were always intended to be one-time in the design of the system – then this creates a serious systemic risk in that someone might try to order nodes, developers, and/or miners to censor the system.” ~Maxwell [19:55]
mircea_popescu "we" ? [19:55]
mircea_popescu maxwell had NO PART in the design of "the system" [19:55]
mircea_popescu the fucking gall of these people. [19:55]
ThickAsThieves we means i when i want you to agree with me [19:55]
mircea_popescu incredible the sheer amount of slime bitcoin attracts, jesus. [19:56]
BingoBoingo [19:56]
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assbot Two Male Strippers Quarantined After Sitting Near Ebola Nurse on Plane [19:56]
mircea_popescu not even sure there's enough bile in the world to wash it all away [19:56]
ben_vulpes PUA lulzatron: [19:56]
assbot Time For A False Rape Accuser Registry | Chateau Heartiste [19:56]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes and i'm sure he's saying "here, this is the registry i made, contribute" [19:57]
mircea_popescu rather than the castrated "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT" [19:57]
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ben_vulpes no no, it's definitely a prayer [19:58]
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ThickAsThieves so it's basically a list of women that are safe to rape? [19:58]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if he had any balls, yes. [19:59]
mircea_popescu but then he'd be stuck quoting trilema instead of pretending like he's his own thing, so... [19:59]
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BingoBoingo [19:59]
assbot Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems [19:59]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes they let anyone into alphadom dese dayz. [19:59]
BingoBoingo ^Debian reconsidering systemd [19:59]
mircea_popescu "IMO developments since March show that the concerns put forward then [20:00]
mircea_popescu were well-founded. Following discussions elsewhere including -devel I [20:00]
mircea_popescu have received enough offers of seconds by private email." [20:00]
mircea_popescu o noes, systemd gets fucked ? awww. [20:00]
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BingoBoingo Well it isn't certain yet. [20:02]
mircea_popescu the only thing certain in this world is the death of governments. [20:03]
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BingoBoingo Obola is looking pretty certain [20:04]
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Adlai mircea_popescu: thank you for recommending a tv series which i can finish in a single weekend [20:08]
mircea_popescu which ?! [20:08]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: lol "the alpha board" [20:09]
mats_cd03 i am curious what percentage of eth is recycled USG cents and duped chumps [20:09]
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Adlai black mirror [20:11]
mats_cd03 i know a few doods that 'invested' in eth because 'its a good idea' and 'i want to hedge if it becomes huge' [20:12]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 i guess you need better doods lol. [20:12]
mircea_popescu Adlai i thought ThickAsThieves recommended that. [20:13]
mats_cd03 exposure to doods is inevitable on irc :( [20:13]
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Adlai ah lol your nicks are the same length [20:13]
Adlai thank you ThickAsThieves :) [20:13]
ThickAsThieves it was actually recommended to me by someone else here, and then when i watched it, i realized i had already seen it when it aired [20:13]
ThickAsThieves mp would probly like ep1 [20:14]
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ThickAsThieves bbc just makes some great short series [20:15]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 exposure to kids that make all sorts of claims, of having banged a bunch of chicks, of having bought a bunch of fish etc idem. [20:15]
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ThickAsThieves check out The Fades too if you like creepy stuff Adlai [20:15]
mircea_popescu Adlai are you one of those unfortunate souls that prefers to watch than to read ? [20:15]
ThickAsThieves well you can do both yknow [20:15]
mircea_popescu can i be an asshole just this once and bother people ? [20:16]
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Pierre_Rochard ben_vulpes: thank you, this looks like a sane version of the node/mongo stack, I’ll dig in [20:16]
ThickAsThieves not with me around! [20:17]
ThickAsThieves luckily, i'm off for a while, toodaloo [20:17]
Adlai i'd actually rather read, which is why i don't like tv series that last for dozens of hours [20:17]
Adlai o/ [20:17]
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Adlai HIMYM and BrBa were great for wasting hours in the army but i try and waste time productively these days [20:17]
ben_vulpes Pierre_Rochard: there's really not much similarity between js/lisp and mongo/datomic [20:18]
ben_vulpes lisp is lisp and datomic is a persistant prologish fact store with time built in [20:18]
mats_cd03 [20:18]
mircea_popescu ;;ud himym [20:18]
gribble | Acronym for the TV show, How I Met Your Mother. ... Hey, did you check out last night's episode of HIMYM? by teegee87 October 13, 2007. 353 65. Merch ... [20:18]
mircea_popescu ;;ud brba [20:18]
gribble | ... Brazzing · brazzle · Brazzu · brb · brb2 · BRB2mins2secs · BRB52 · brba · brb aids · brbasaif · brbats · brbb · brb basement · brb bb · brbbc ... brba isn't defined. [20:18]
Adlai breaking bad [20:18]
mircea_popescu is this the one with the old guy chemist that joins some derpy kid and they make meth ? [20:19]
Adlai yes [20:19]
Adlai it's a good show, as far as shows go [20:19]
mats_cd03 i had a burger today with grass fed beef fried in beer batter with bacon and spicy mayo [20:20]
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mats_cd03 im probably going to have a stroke next year but s'ok [20:21]
mircea_popescu from a burger ? [20:21]
mircea_popescu you should see what they eat here. [20:21]
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mats_cd03 i also had a side of poutine with pork belly [20:23]
mats_cd03 mighta been 2400cals in all [20:23]
Adlai yeah, you're fucked [20:23]
ThickAsThieves [20:23]
assbot Sources: SEC Investigation of "Alex Green" Underway - Coin Fire [20:23]
ThickAsThieves "On October 9th Coin Fire received information from a source inside the US SEC that Moopay LTD along with seven other cryptocurrency companies were under active investigation for unregistered securities in the cryptocurrency world. " [20:24]
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ThickAsThieves "On October 10th, we received a second confirmation of the information and an updated list showing that several companies while under active investigation have been placed on the back burner so that forensic accountants brought in from the IRS and other federal agencies to begin combing through the information." [20:24]
Adlai my uncle used to work at the SEC [20:24]
mircea_popescu "Coin Fire was first made aware of this investigation on October 14th but officials with the SEC and the Department of Justice actively informed our editorial team to not jeopardize current investigations. However, as new information has come to light and a third source stepped forward with further information our editors now feel compelled to begin publishing information." [20:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074065 = 4.1476 BTC [+] [20:24]
ThickAsThieves so are they waiting for late tax filings to go after people? [20:24]
mircea_popescu um... i kinda have my doubts. [20:24]
Adlai had lunch with him a few weeks ago, he's very curious about all this decentralized stuff, in the best kind of curiosity [20:24]
Adlai wtf is "forensic accounting" [20:25]
mircea_popescu coinfire guy has terrible prose, but anyway. [20:25]
ThickAsThieves are there even 7 businesses offering securities? [20:25]
Adlai forensics should involve test tubes and blood, not sifting through numbers [20:26]
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ThickAsThieves forensic accounting is finding evidence to support your pre-determined conclusion [20:26]
mircea_popescu so basically this thing reads to me like, "we've read about this on reddit, here's a re-narration of events that makes us sound important" [20:26]
ThickAsThieves can the SEC even tell someone not to share info? [20:27]
ThickAsThieves particularly a reporter? [20:27]
ben_vulpes oh guys guys i found the worst thing ever [20:27]
ben_vulpes [20:27]
mircea_popescu the sec can try all sorts of things, but why would it talk to some derpy nobody snipping at the edges is unclear. [20:27]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is all mp butthurt, next the twobit idiot is going to want to claim "o noes, teh sec is talking to me in my sleeps!!1" [20:28]
mircea_popescu and so it goes, 2015 will be the year of that set of lolz. [20:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves anyway, to revisit that yest discussion : THIS isn't news. [20:28]
Adlai i hope it's more successful than the "year of multisig" [20:28]
mircea_popescu it fails to even state a claim. [20:28]
Adlai ben_vulpes: why do you do this to my tender mind [20:29]
ThickAsThieves it was news to me [20:29]
ThickAsThieves even if it was in fact passed down [20:29]
mircea_popescu what, specifically ? [20:29]
mircea_popescu the guy was arrested, it was all over. [20:30]
ThickAsThieves that SEC gave a shit about moolah and 7 companies are under investigation and SEC tries to tell people to shut up [20:30]
mircea_popescu o, i was just discounting all that. [20:31]
mircea_popescu ok, if you take those, yeah, i guess it is news. [20:31]
ThickAsThieves one man's discount... [20:31]
Adlai are the SEC targeting Moolah for being scammy shysters, or just for running an unregistered business? [20:31]
mircea_popescu cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information. [20:32]
* Adlai was actually pleased about the SEC investigating pirate's scam [20:32]
mircea_popescu then watch the adjustments, retractions and "taking of full responsibilities" come pouring in. [20:32]
mircea_popescu devthedev im not voicing you, because last time i did you linkbombed and i dun see the benefit. [20:35]
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kakobrekla < yes i had the unpleasure to work with ExtJS and Sencha Touch [20:38]
assbot The Lino framework — The Lino framework [20:38]
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ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: why do you do this to my tender mind << welcome to assets [20:44]
mircea_popescu [20:46]
assbot The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:46]
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TheNewDeal ;;nethash [21:02]
gribble 249486041.351 [21:02]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [21:03]
gribble Current Blocks: 325751 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 840 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35874185573.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.4904 [21:03]
BingoBoingo %d [21:03]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326825.17 in 74 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.60 [21:04]
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BingoBoingo %p [21:06]
atcbot >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 956.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.79 TH/s [21:06]
TheNewDeal this an accurate translation, or is it butchered by AI - Wittgenstein , " Whereof one can not speak, thereof one must be silent [21:08]
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Adlai sometimes fixing merge conflicts can be therapeutic [21:36]
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ben_vulpes seeing merge conflicts in client code makes me more comfortable with my rates [21:39]
ben_vulpes client *commits* to *master* [21:39]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal no that's pretty much it. [21:40]
mircea_popescu good idea to read the thing it comes from tho., [21:41]
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ThickAsThieves tol, what qntra was simply a private news site, and you had to buy subscription and be in wot to have IPs cleared [22:16]
ThickAsThieves if* [22:16]
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ThickAsThieves or some version of that [22:17]
ThickAsThieves oh it's up [22:17]
jurov shows cpanel [22:19]
jurov and dns is still cached here [22:20]
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mircea_popescu !up Decima| [22:30]
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mircea_popescu jurov dc crew went gangbuster, new server is early. [22:32]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [22:33]
gribble is up [22:33]
mircea_popescu cool. [22:33]
asciilifeform from the loltron: [22:34]
assbot President Obama's Credit Card Was Declined [22:34]
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mircea_popescu lol usg running out of cash ? [22:34]
ThickAsThieves certainly running out of credit [22:35]
devthedev Ha, Obama: 'No really, I think that I’ve, uh, been paying my bills.’ [22:35]
ThickAsThieves file under: shoulda used bitcoin [22:35]
asciilifeform ceremonial object. [22:35]
ThickAsThieves yknow what, fuck any website that embeds Gravity ad widgets [22:36]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:37]
mircea_popescu or disqus. [22:37]
bounce huh. so, to combat fraud they're going to heap even more sensitive personal information in some database or other [22:37]
ThickAsThieves and better track your spending and travel behavior [22:38]
ThickAsThieves oh, tat's just in amsterdam again, it's cool! [22:38]
devthedev mircea_popescu: I agree that the Gravity ad platform is retarded but what's wrong with Disqus? [22:39]
asciilifeform 'fraud' -> thoughtcrime, blackmarketeering, republikflucht. [22:39]
mircea_popescu devthedev "give us your comments! for free! " ? [22:39]
bounce disqus has its tentacles everywhere and is a steaming heap of slow js [22:39]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with it ? [22:39]
ThickAsThieves i kinda like the disqus concept tbh, i wish there was a bitcoin/namecoin/wot version [22:40]
mircea_popescu same thing that's wrong with cloudflare, and with all the rest of the crap ruining the web [22:40]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves why! [22:40]
mircea_popescu "centralize all the things" ? [22:40]
ThickAsThieves why a crypto version? [22:40]
bounce one namecoin per comment please [22:40]
mircea_popescu bounce no, better yet. "the MTA has turned off comments on blogs because reasons" [22:40]
mircea_popescu stop giving idiots power. [22:40]
ThickAsThieves um [22:41]
ThickAsThieves i have no power over whether i cna comment on a website regardless [22:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not the point. [22:41]
ThickAsThieves they cna just rmeove the option [22:41]
ThickAsThieves it's the point you made [22:41]
mircea_popescu yes, but they have to do it individually. [22:41]
bounce $site will just 403 anyone coming in on tor because the spamblocking system on the commenting system doesn't take half measures [22:41]
devthedev The point is the centralization? [22:41]
mircea_popescu devthedev centralization in wrong hands. [22:41]
ThickAsThieves ok but i meant to highlught the concept of having a crypto version tho [22:42]
mircea_popescu i could see if it centralized in my own hands. but centralizing it in the hands of the enemies of everything that's nice and good in this world, the ycombinator crowd ? [22:42]
mircea_popescu i'd rathe eat dirt. [22:42]
ThickAsThieves yeah sure fuk whoever at disqus think sthey can get money outta the arrangement [22:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so then you like the concept for everything the concept isn't ? [22:42]
ThickAsThieves the concept of a spec'd way to comment on websites with one account? [22:43]
ThickAsThieves maybe of a way to auth on any website with one account? [22:43]
ThickAsThieves sure [22:43]
mircea_popescu so basically you're talking pluggable identity ? [22:43]
bounce didn't we already have a sackton of "SSO" trickery for websites? [22:43]
ThickAsThieves yes [22:43]
mircea_popescu bounce has it. [22:44]
ThickAsThieves dunno SSO [22:44]
ThickAsThieves ;;google SSO [22:44]
gribble Single sign-on - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Enterprise Software Initiatives SSO : Logon: ; SSO: Summary for ProShares Ultra S&P500- Yahoo! Finance: [22:44]
ThickAsThieves well we have ebough of centralized evil SSO, yeah probly [22:44]
ThickAsThieves disqus is good enough therein [22:45]
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mircea_popescu i still don't see what's the advantage of "go everywhere with an identity provided by a 3rd party" [22:45]
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ThickAsThieves the advantage is keychaining a lifestyle that uses 10 3rd parties as is [22:46]
mircea_popescu sure, it saves you from interacting with various people. which, you know, if that's the goal why are you commenting. [22:46]
asciilifeform plus lamers like 'remember 1 pw instead of 11111 !' [22:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't this eminently a local config issue tho ? give people scripts to just do it locally. [22:47]
asciilifeform scripts on what. [22:47]
asciilifeform iPnohe [22:47]
asciilifeform ? [22:47]
mircea_popescu not like browsers aren't extensible and whatnot. [22:47]
ThickAsThieves in the current sense, yes, but if decentralized wouldnt it be a way to purposefully maintain a continuity in your online identity? [22:47]
asciilifeform mr lamer owns 111 devices, 110 aren't scriptable in any sense [22:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves my point being that this is something you solve client side not server side. [22:47]
asciilifeform the last is, but in visual basic [22:47]
ThickAsThieves hmm [22:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how is this an argument lol [22:47]
asciilifeform a pathologoanatomic diagnosis [22:48]
mircea_popescu "some people connect to internet through brooms, or try to" ?! [22:48]
asciilifeform not argument. [22:48]
asciilifeform 'patient lacks arms' [22:48]
ThickAsThieves like adding password keychain to the bitcoin wallet app [22:48]
bounce so you're saying that dumbing down and appliancification breeds more of same [22:48]
mircea_popescu there's no advantage to trying to hide hardware deffects in software [22:48]
ThickAsThieves if you can auth into the wallety you can auto log into wherever using the bitcoin web browser [22:48]
mircea_popescu quite the contrary, such a programming paradigm is immoral. [22:48]
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asciilifeform virtually everything that passes for 'software' in three+ decades is precisely this. [22:49]
asciilifeform duct tape over hardware defects. [22:49]
bounce fixing that is going to be expensive though. means rebuilding lots of stuff from the ground up. n'mind that the current tide is that of "oh we'll fix it in software nohow" [22:49]
mircea_popescu bounce last i heard, the usg was throwing money into the street because "gotta spend" [22:49]
asciilifeform like every disagreement with physical reality, this one will make itself felt [22:49]
mircea_popescu since when is expensive a counterargument? [22:49]
mircea_popescu what is this, the 80s and fucking reagan ? [22:49]
asciilifeform and the harder derps run, the more painful the gravel in the face will be. [22:49]
bounce nothing ended up here. could use a bit of bezzle. say, to build a harder-to-snoop phone. [22:50]
asciilifeform bounce, mircea_popescu: not a money problem. the 'fix' is not available off the shelf. [22:50]
mircea_popescu see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it" [22:50]
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mircea_popescu yes, we do. and bush too, and so on and so forth [22:50]
mircea_popescu mysteriously, "everything" they do never includes a "we wil spend one trillion dollars to fix our software-hardware. all of it." [22:51]
mircea_popescu try that, see who hates you then. but no, they';ve tried "everything" : banged head on wall, sat on hot stove, kicked shin against all corners.... nothing in this house works [22:51]
mircea_popescu worst house ever! [22:51]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no need for trillion. 10^7 would suffice - but it'd have to be spent on doubleplusungood crimethinkers, and that's a no-go. [22:52]
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mircea_popescu fuck that shit. war on drugs, poverty, people far away that don't like us and think we're stupid... [22:53]
mircea_popescu shit, how about a war on bad software and hardware ? [22:53]
mircea_popescu unlike the foregoing, these ARENT rules of the fucking world. [22:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they had one. microshit won the contract. [22:53]
asciilifeform and we know the rest. [22:53]
bounce don't need a war either. just bring together the means. [22:53]
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asciilifeform i shit thee not, ms winblows is one of the two (afaik) nsa-approved os. [22:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform not that dude. when they wanted to send a guy to the moon they didn't give gm "the contract" [22:54]
asciilifeform the other being a mystery meat by 'green hills corp.' [22:54]
bounce some bezzle, gather together the people that can do the block-building, ship'em off to shenzen, open-source the results [22:54]
mircea_popescu if they had, the soviets would still be a thing, painting the moon red [22:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, know the moon painting joke ? [22:54]
asciilifeform aye [22:54]
asciilifeform moon, incidentally, is trivial in comparison. [22:54]
mircea_popescu yes, itis. but it didn't USE TO BE [22:54]
mircea_popescu do you know why ? [22:54]
asciilifeform ? [22:55]
mircea_popescu fucking kennedy. once it's done it's trivial. [22:55]
mircea_popescu before it's done it can't be done. [22:55]
mircea_popescu ask any virgin. [22:55]
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bounce that's some seriously ambitious necrophilia [22:56]
mircea_popescu lol [22:56]
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mircea_popescu my words! they has been taken out of context! and given unforeseen boners! [22:56]
mircea_popescu but anyway, that's why the entire "press" derped and ocasionally still derps about kennedy = us royalty. becauise that guy was the last us president to go "fuck you, do something useful with your time" [22:57]
mircea_popescu that is the royal superbity. [22:57]
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asciilifeform my point was that 'moonshot' is fundamentally different from problem at hand [22:57]
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asciilifeform in that it decomposes into work for an army of people [22:58]
bounce plenty people to do work in this world [22:58]
mircea_popescu so does this. [22:58]
thestringpuller !s qntra [22:58]
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asciilifeform this - doesn't decompose. [22:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o yes it does. let's take the smallest part of it. [22:59]
mircea_popescu "i want a complete report on every tcp/ip implementation out there. by hand. line by line comparison of all versions ever made" [22:59]
mircea_popescu how many people ? [22:59]
asciilifeform nahaha [22:59]
mircea_popescu oyes. [22:59]
mircea_popescu how do you think my intel works ? [22:59]
asciilifeform we're back to reviewing c crud again. [22:59]
mircea_popescu it has to be reviewed. [23:00]
asciilifeform fly to the moon by stacking chairs, yes. [23:00]
asciilifeform no - burned. [23:00]
mircea_popescu FIRST reviewed. [23:00]
asciilifeform and the ashes buried in chernoble. [23:00]
mircea_popescu you understand this ? anecdotic agreement by wizard x with wizard y is not how you fly to the moon. [23:00]
mircea_popescu it's how you write chinese literature. [23:01]
thestringpuller ;;isup [23:01]
gribble is up [23:01]
asciilifeform well, aside from wizards, you fly by understanding that you need a vehicle other than oxcarts [23:01]
asciilifeform one that, can, say, exert thrust vertically, for starters [23:01]
thestringpuller is the dns repropagating or something? [23:01]
TheNewDeal It's working for me [23:01]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller yes. [23:01]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller is the watchdog of democracy over here. [23:02]
asciilifeform one does not take flight by ordering every horse, ox, pig in the empire, assessed for suitability for flight [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that understanding is built on reports. [23:02]
mircea_popescu o no ? how do you know that ? [23:02]
asciilifeform how do i know that my arse does not contain monkeys? [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [23:03]
bounce every time one flies out you conclude you're safe now [23:03]
mircea_popescu you don't understand the network effects. once the entire fucking country is engrossed in throwing chattel around, [23:03]
mircea_popescu people start fucking listening to people who have better solutions. [23:03]
asciilifeform orly [23:03]
mircea_popescu this is what government does : it provides a base. it doesn't provide solutions [23:03]
mircea_popescu oya. [23:03]
mircea_popescu it provides good fucking reasons for people to come up with solutions, and right now. [23:04]
asciilifeform and it might be important to ask, what qualifies as 'having' the better solution [23:04]
mircea_popescu that it flies. [23:04]
asciilifeform does it need to be gift-wrapped for the taking? [23:04]
mircea_popescu nope. [23:04]
asciilifeform what if it takes actual resources, for example. [23:04]
mircea_popescu sure. [23:04]
mircea_popescu anything as long as it's not throwing more pigs around. [23:04]
asciilifeform nah it'll be pigs. [23:05]
mircea_popescu no it won't. how long do you think people can spend reading shitty c/c++ tcp/ip implementations before they give up their idiocy like the plague ? [23:05]
mircea_popescu the only reason it even exists atm is because nobody's forcing anyone to read it. [23:06]
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asciilifeform how i know? my estimation, three people who can crap out the answer. one's a schizophrenic, far gone, other's me, who works 3 jobs, and the third is probably too old already. [23:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, suppose your job for the next ten years, and you know this, now, is to read 29 different turds and report. [23:07]
mircea_popescu wouldn't you just forget about it, hit the bottle, and then write a proper fucking thing ? [23:07]
thestringpuller no just annoyed i can't get legit information because hooligans are butthurt [23:07]
asciilifeform if could get away with it, yes. [23:07]
mircea_popescu who's to stop you. [23:07]
asciilifeform number of hours in the clock? [23:08]
mircea_popescu something's not getting through here./ [23:08]
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mircea_popescu let's try the great patriotic war, maybe that's a better knob. so... is that also a "doesn't decompose" sort of task ? [23:10]
asciilifeform decomposes beautifully. [23:10]
asciilifeform at least, most of it [23:11]
mircea_popescu heh. [23:11]
asciilifeform job of being, e.g., zhukov - doesn't. [23:11]
mircea_popescu so... everything except the problem at hand ? [23:11]
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mircea_popescu but we're not discussing the job of being zhukov [23:11]
mircea_popescu because being zhukov is post facto [23:11]
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mircea_popescu the job of having been zhukov does decompose. [23:11]
asciilifeform my argument, for many years, is, roughly 'it has to fit in a head.' [23:12]
mircea_popescu more importantly : the war didn't work like, one day there was a zhukov, and he went hey, what if we had the germans attack us, so they i could be really cool ? [23:12]
asciilifeform not surprised if nobody agrees - i think i've yet to meet anyone who does (other, than, possibly, chuck moore, and i haven't asked him in person - only read him) [23:12]
mircea_popescu on the contrary. the way it worked was that the germans attacked, stalin commited, and a zhukov emerged. [23:12]
mircea_popescu out of a million slaughtered, lanky, blonde russian kids. [23:12]
asciilifeform gedankenexperiment [23:13]
mircea_popescu that "stalin comitted" point is fucking important [23:13]
asciilifeform picture if, instead of zhukov, there was this kid who knew how to build death ray. [23:13]
mircea_popescu western world has nobdy capable of comitment today [23:13]
mircea_popescu ok. let [23:13]
mircea_popescu 's call him tesla. [23:13]
asciilifeform as in, complete blueprints, drawn up b/w tractor runs [23:13]
asciilifeform ok we're on the same page. so we know how it ends. [23:14]
mircea_popescu go on [23:14]
asciilifeform he retires to feed pigeons, if lucky [23:14]
mircea_popescu what was the public comitment at the time of tesla ? [23:15]
asciilifeform death ray becomes a byword for implausible fictional tech. [23:15]
mircea_popescu war on alcohol, right ? [23:15]
asciilifeform lol yes [23:15]
mircea_popescu well how is this an argument for oyu ? [23:15]
asciilifeform but also ww1. [23:15]
mircea_popescu seems an argument for me. [23:15]
asciilifeform in which precisely no one took interest in death rays. [23:15]
mircea_popescu ww1, the war notoriously named by gallup poll ? [23:15]
asciilifeform it. [23:15]
mircea_popescu well ? [23:15]
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mircea_popescu these may be arguments, maybe, but they're not arguments for your side here. [23:16]
asciilifeform plenty of tech investment there, though [23:16]
asciilifeform just - in well-understood, fungible things. [23:16]
mircea_popescu not my point, the investmentr [23:16]
mircea_popescu if you ask the us, it does "plenty of investment" today too. [23:16]
mircea_popescu adding columns of numbers is great for accountants. [23:16]
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mircea_popescu the motherfucking point of leadership is to provide... leadership. wow! [23:17]
mircea_popescu to say "by the end of the decade - man on moon" is substantially different from "hey, we're spending some moneys on some things" [23:18]
bounce you're talking about the "have a vision" part [23:18]
mircea_popescu it'd definitely fix the us problem, which is a purely credibility problem. [23:19]
asciilifeform what i was suggesting is, that it is very difficult (not impossible, but close to it) to get people to shake off design-space constraints when it jumps costs by orders of magnitude. [23:19]
mircea_popescu if the obola was out there, "by the end of this decade we will have actually functional computers, this shit is ridiculous" [23:19]
bounce which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there [23:19]
mircea_popescu he could again borrow as much as he could possibly spend. [23:19]
mircea_popescu from the chinese first of all. [23:19]
asciilifeform it's not like convincing folks to drink 'cyanide koolaid' - it's like convincing them to drink sulfuric acid. (who? management specifically. of any nation.) [23:19]
mircea_popescu bounce duh. yes, to have leadership one requires leadership. [23:19]
asciilifeform imagine der fuhrer knocks on my door; [23:19]
asciilifeform and we sit down for tea, and i tell him we have to use... ternary [23:20]
asciilifeform and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing. [23:20]
bounce yes, duh, but *looks around at various governments* apparently not so duh. [23:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude. her fuhrer had people do a) rocketry. b) airplanes powered by hydrazine ; c) rommel in africa looking for the holy grail [23:20]
mircea_popescu are you fucking kidding me or what ?1 [23:20]
mircea_popescu bounce kinda the irony of the situation. [23:20]
asciilifeform s/der fuhrer/mein fuhrer [23:20]
mircea_popescu well ?! [23:21]
mircea_popescu that'd be my fucking point, innit. [23:21]
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asciilifeform lelz [23:21]
mircea_popescu see, people go "o, anything obama does you hate him for it" << [23:21]
bounce it's a bit morisette on the scale of irony though [23:22]
bounce s/ise/isse/ [23:22]
mircea_popescu which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there <<< also don't neglect the ever essential part that someone somewhere may call you a cult leader! [23:22]
mircea_popescu plus, all sorts of special interest groups will be infairly umpacted or something. [23:22]
* asciilifeform checked mailbox, no bag of gold from fuhrer wanting death ray. [23:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform try again tomorro! [23:23]
asciilifeform ahaha [23:23]
mircea_popescu and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing. <<< all the skills needed to drive carriages, honed at the significant expense of sweat and often blood by the original wells fargo corporation [23:23]
mircea_popescu now - gone! GONE! [23:23]
mircea_popescu all the music that didn't fit notation, developed at huge cost of time during times of frequent famine ... gone [23:24]
mircea_popescu it happens. all that's needed is... leadership. [23:24]
asciilifeform happens. yes. [23:24]
mircea_popescu well that's the extend of the discussion. what's stopping mr "nobel prize" from being it ? [23:25]
mircea_popescu whatever it is, he ain't it. that's why people object. not because he's black, and not just because he's stupid. [23:25]
mircea_popescu but because he's a leaderless leader. [23:25]
mircea_popescu got nothing interesting to say. snore. [23:25]
mircea_popescu checking again tomorrow. [23:25]
asciilifeform predecessors who pissed away the throne's authority also did not help. [23:25]
mircea_popescu fuck that. [23:25]
mircea_popescu dude, who asked kennedy if he inherited the best throne he could have ? [23:26]
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mircea_popescu there is no situation fubar enough as to render leadership powerless. [23:26]
thestringpuller is it just me or am I seeing more commercials with banks introducing "p2p payments" [23:27]
mircea_popescu how about napoleon ? better string of predecessors pissing away throne could scarcely be devised. [23:27]
thestringpuller i.e. you send someone money via email or something with their app [23:27]
asciilifeform can you picture an actual human (much less true leader) climbing on that particular throne today? [23:27]
asciilifeform (via the usual mechanism, no coup etc) [23:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can imagine all sorts of things. [23:27]
asciilifeform i can also imagine. e.g., strategic guided monkeys rocketing from my arse [23:27]
asciilifeform but - in practice. [23:28]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i dun see that many commercials. [23:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you asked if i can imagine. [23:28]
asciilifeform lol [23:28]
undata anyone that wants to innovate socially might have to get off earth to do so [23:31]
mircea_popescu because why ? [23:31]
undata that's what I was poorly articulating yesterday, thinking it unlikely that one could either hide from or commandeer the vast pile of weapons and thugs manning them [23:31]
mircea_popescu why do you think weapons are needed at all ? [23:31]
undata I think they'll always have them. [23:32]
undata spaceflight gives you the option of "stupidly far away" [23:32]
mircea_popescu this is so broken. [23:32]
undata mircea_popescu: the leaders (obama) you're decrying are vetted by the guys on the pile of weapons [23:33]
undata what is broken? [23:33]
mircea_popescu the proposition that space flight creates somehow independence. [23:34]
mircea_popescu how the shit is this supposed to work ? if you don't have the ability to control anything, how are you going to own the industrial processes makin space flight possible ? [23:34]
ThickAsThieves pretty much amounts to, if i could be a god on another planet, everything would be my way [23:34]
mircea_popescu the most loyal subjects of each european crown were the respective colonies. for fucking centuries. [23:34]
mircea_popescu because well... it's a colony. it depends on its mother. [23:35]
mircea_popescu and if there were some guys on a pile of weapons somewhere, who then could vet anything, [23:36]
mircea_popescu they'd come up with something a little better than derpobama. [23:36]
mircea_popescu only crowdsourcing can explain this level of fuming stupidity, i'm affraid. [23:36]
undata he makes no important decisions [23:36]
mircea_popescu this does not amount to "someone else does" [23:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, this entire "fix the computers" thing is just a random example. [23:40]
mircea_popescu week ago we were discussing the "iraq will be the 51st us state" [23:40]
mircea_popescu also a project. there's no shortage of projects, it's not like you can either pick "go to moon" or nothing. [23:40]
* bounce was just thinking, a real crisis tends to bring out the real leadership (if available). then so there's people like the skull+bones fraternity that believe the people are happiest when there's something to fight for, so they promote perpetual war(s on stuff) (and gotten the likes of dubya on the throne). and, well, the people're getting sick of it because weak leadership. [23:43]
mircea_popescu which is why i said earlier, why;d the gunpile be integral. [23:44]
mircea_popescu i used to have one, don't particularly miss it. [23:44]
ThickAsThieves which is why when real leadership is needed for ebola, obama stepped aside and appointed a czar [23:44]
* jurov has an idea to "fix the computers".. just put together a fund to become highest bidder for botnets [23:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves except the "czar" is a nobody. [23:45]
jurov immediately after,buying, issue rm -rf / [23:45]
mircea_popescu jurov not a bad idea at all, the first part. [23:45]
ThickAsThieves well she;s a scapegoat [23:45]
mircea_popescu the second... meh. [23:45]
bounce the likes of redmond could do that, plenty cash. instead they're abusing the legal system with ex partes [23:45]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [23:46]
gribble is up [23:46]
mircea_popescu dude is this like a record ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu bounce redmond who ? [23:46]
ThickAsThieves heh [23:46]
bounce the wired news rehash yesterday about [23:46]
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mircea_popescu bounce no, my point is, the likes of popescu. mircea popescu. the likes of redmon ? redmond who ? [23:47]
undata ThickAsThieves: the above was more like "when a new continent is found, the new inhabitants sometimes try things a bit differently in regards to government" [23:47]
undata s/new/inhabited by people who are no match/ [23:47]
mircea_popescu undata for my curiosity, be a darling and narrate the boston tea party ? [23:48]
BingoBoingo I hear Redmond I think Microshit [23:48]
thestringpuller i think nintendo [23:48]
thestringpuller lol [23:48]
thestringpuller nintendo of america [23:49]
mircea_popescu well whatever you think, you're not thinking as person, therefore not a sovereign, therefore nevermind. [23:49]
* bounce throws a chair into the discussion [23:49]
* Adlai is thinking as a drunk [23:49]
Adlai drunks are people too! [23:50]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [23:50]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [23:50]
mthreat [23:50]
assbot Flaite apaleado en la micro (Concepcin) 2014 - YouTube [23:50]
mthreat a failed thief on a bus in Chile. [23:50]
mthreat bus driver locks him in and beats him with a bat [23:51]
mthreat as he drives him to the police station [23:51]
mircea_popescu mthreat ahahaah [23:51]
mthreat i wish they did that here [23:51]
mthreat instead, they make them national heroes [23:51]
mircea_popescu uh ?! [23:51]
ThickAsThieves [23:51]
cazalla ThickAsThieves: i haz a post i wanna give them dibs on <<< if you've posted it to your own site, i don't see much point in qntra mirroring it [23:52]
undata mircea_popescu: prized import destroyed by angry colonists not wanting the "over there" making decisions "over here" without their involvement [23:52]
undata tea act, taxation/representation, etc [23:53]
cazalla i gave you a retweet though TaT [23:53]
ThickAsThieves thanks! [23:54]
bounce "NGOs" doesn't take an apostrophe, btw [23:54]
ThickAsThieves yeah i just got antsy, sry [23:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves [23:54]
ThickAsThieves lol [23:54]
ThickAsThieves may i tweet that? [23:55]
mircea_popescu go ahead [23:55]
mthreat I thought it was "I'm fucking matt damon" [23:55]
mthreat if it's referring to the sarah silverman skit [23:55]
cazalla looks photoshopped [23:56]
ThickAsThieves [23:56]
assbot BREAKING! [23:56]
mircea_popescu cazalla it's legit. i can tell by some pixels. [23:56]
ThickAsThieves there goes my cred of getting retweets from my serious blog article earlier! [23:57]
mircea_popescu what, on twitter ? [23:57]
ThickAsThieves got 11 retweets [23:57]
ThickAsThieves i git dat social currency nao [23:57]
mircea_popescu buy yourself a rabbit [23:57]
mircea_popescu to put on your head. [23:58]
ThickAsThieves i pwefer wabbit [23:58]
BingoBoingo Also pancake to go on rabbit's head when on your head ThickAsThieves [23:58]
ThickAsThieves and shoe on top of pancake or underneath? [23:58]
ThickAsThieves lol i got 1 rt for the dorian pic already [23:59]
ThickAsThieves i bet it wins [23:59]
* Guest40058 is now known as TheNewDeal [23:59]
ThickAsThieves rt was fromn this guy,lol [23:59]
assbot /coinbase does charles "coblee" lee's autism make him difficult to work with at the office? [23:59]
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