Forum logs for 18 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

chetty	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/15/europe-s-problematic-ebola-patients.html	[00:00]
assbot	Europes Hidden Ebola Cases - The Daily Beast	[00:00]
cazalla	that's me ThickAsThieves , don't be racist	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	racist?	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	i just liked teh tweet!	[00:01]
cazalla	you said black	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	i said it silently tho!	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/slavery-the-best-thing-for-you-no-seriously/ << sauce for the dorian pic	[00:01]
assbot	Slavery : the best thing for you. No, seriously. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:01]
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ThickAsThieves	oh is that new?	[00:02]
ThickAsThieves	cool	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	i was just writing it	[00:04]
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TheNewDeal	!s sd	[00:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24908 @ 0.00073967 = 18.4237 BTC [-] {4}	[00:05]
assbot	136 results for 'sd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sd	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	mthreat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOtCkSBxrdQ << fuck, you're right	[00:06]
assbot	I'm fucking Matt Damon - YouTube	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	well, im an old man, my popknowledge is... weak.	[00:06]
ThickAsThieves	the ETH POW https://t.co/pzkO9QeW36	[00:08]
assbot	Ethereum ASIC-resistant PoW spec - Google Docs	[00:08]
Adlai	All algorithms are defined via Python code in order to… provide a working implementation… This function will not be fully written here	[00:12]
Adlai	"this function is left as an exercise to the sucker"	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	"guys, i have a great idea for a thing. here it is : function greatidea(); return;"	[00:13]
undata	masters write the function headers, slaves implement	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	that's how the function names end up being _____BgFkShit___1()	[00:14]
kakobrekla	i use impossibly long function and var names when im coding pissed off.	[00:16]
undata	descriptive is good	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla now we know how your indictment will read	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	undata: No, he just pads with FUFUFUFUFUFUFUUFUFUFUFUFU	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	"your honor, his entire plan of terrorism can be read as function headers"	[00:17]
kakobrekla	i guess so	[00:17]
kakobrekla	i guess source must never leak nao	[00:17]
jurov	kakobrekla rot13 all identifiers	[00:18]
undata	also add underscores	[00:19]
kakobrekla	its not about making it unreadable but more of french cursing inspiration leaking in	[00:19]
undata	that means they're secret	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00073851 = 12.8131 BTC [-]	[00:20]
ThickAsThieves	https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B0LZ6kLCAAA57cq.mp4	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	OMG Theo De Reaadt caught being diplomatic! http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141012180624&mode=expanded	[00:21]
assbot	LibreSSL 2.1.0 Released	[00:21]
jurov	use google translator then	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	BURN HIM	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdBMQITQerc <<< this btw was pretty good	[00:24]
assbot	Tommy Lee - The Roast of Pamela Anderson - YouTube	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	totally fucken drunk courtney love.	[00:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0007382 = 15.9451 BTC [-] {3}	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[00:34]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	fuck, shit's back to being boring.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	why does nothing last in this world ;/	[00:34]
TheNewDeal	Everything is up? This is good news.	[00:34]
TheNewDeal	Boring when it's all down, at least from my pov	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well, you're a lover not a fighter.	[00:35]
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TheNewDeal	I love to fight	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	o hey, here we go, guy's back! cool.	[00:38]
bounce	want medical records? soonish you can just buy uk medical records of anyone who didn't think to "opt out": http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/17/gp_records_soon_wide_open_gp_open_data_really_is_open_just_walk_into_a_safe_haven/	[00:38]
assbot	GP records soon wide open again: Just walk into a safe haven The Register	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	bounce what's the argument for their secrecy again ?	[00:38]
Apocalyptic	qntra.net is up // I get a 403	[00:39]
bounce	sensitive personal details thrown out in public? surely there can be no argument against that.	[00:39]
asciilifeform	'The corpse of a British man who died in Macedonia is being flown to Frankfurt for Ebola testing.' << for testing, small vial of corpse juice ought to suffice, no? what's the purpose of shipping the entire carcass...?	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	bounce so is the argument that disease is personal ?	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic possibly because you need to flush dns ?	[00:42]
Adlai	corpse juice!	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a possible explanation : flying the whole thing relieves the family of the cost to fly a corpse (20-30k or so)	[00:42]
asciilifeform	still only half way to 'blighty'	[00:42]
Adlai	shit yes why are corpses so expensive to fly	[00:42]
Adlai	can't they just fly coach like a normal person	[00:43]
asciilifeform	;;google cargo 200	[00:43]
gribble	Cargo 200 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cargo 200 (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cargo 200 (2007) - IMDb:	[00:43]
Apocalyptic	mircea, indeed, fixed	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	Adlai it's like 1/4 ton with all the lead required etc.	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00073934 = 8.0588 BTC [+]	[00:46]
bounce	why yes, disease affects the person; information about the disease can do the same thing again, and again, and again. so throwing it out for all to see isn't something doctors typically did, and when it inadvertedly happens, it's a big scandal. so the government elevating "sharing" medical details to the new standard just because they went all digital is a bit of a deviation from custom.	[00:46]
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bounce	s/to the/to be the/	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	bounce how far does this extend ? the fact that i know you're fair haired gives me the power to say "blondie"	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	in short : everything worth talking about "affects the person"	[00:48]
bounce	the fact that your insurer knows you've been ill lately gives them the power to raise their rates on you	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	the person has no indemnity against "being affected"	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	so what's the problem with that ?	[00:48]
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bounce	it's a subversion from how insurance is supposed to work	[00:48]
bounce	as such, an abuse of power	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	wait wait.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	you are objectively more expensive to insure. reflecting this in the cost of insurance is a subversion ?	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[00:49]
asciilifeform	casino.	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[00:49]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17XY0HC.txt )	[00:49]
asciilifeform	folks expect insurance to be at least a vegas-grade casino	[00:49]
asciilifeform	house edge - ok; weighted wheel - not	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	i dun get it.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	if you do this, why not forbid public maps ?	[00:50]
asciilifeform	well, they'll walk into a casino, but not a 'leave yer money here house' typically.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	gotta be a sporting chance.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	that way insurers won';t be able to tell the difference in flood insurance between kansas and louisiana	[00:50]
asciilifeform	usg works this kind of scheme.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	but THAT is the abuse.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	tornados, too	[00:50]
asciilifeform	and people continue to build in godforsaken death zones, yes.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	dan mocsny had a thread about this.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	imagine if we knew precisely when each man would die. would we give up on the concept of life insurance? or would it turn into a ludicrous farce.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	propped up by force of the king.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	that's precisely the thing. and pertains to earlier thread, too. people are reluctant to let go, destroy, demolish.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	well, concepts, anyway	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	well no, not people.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	cities - fine. concepts - no.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	what's left of people after 70 years of selection for derpitude.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	well yes, these. 'the army you have.'	[00:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00073805 = 11.8088 BTC [-] {2}	[00:53]
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mircea_popescu	fortunately destruction is an easy enough task	[00:53]
*	asciilifeform telegrams mars to ship new set of people.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	now THAT fits in one head alright	[00:53]
asciilifeform	obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/02/wheel-of-misfortune.html	[00:54]
assbot	ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	;;google wheel of morality	[00:54]
gribble	Animaniacs - Wheel of Morality Compilation - YouTube: ; Wheel of Morality - Animaniacs Wiki: ; Animaniacs - Wikiquote:	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he doesn't know the juicy details that fate was held as more powerful than zeus.	[00:56]
asciilifeform	i suspect - knows.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	and it's moira, not tyche	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	wtf is tyche	[00:56]
asciilifeform	fortuna.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	meh. hardly.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this is too complex an argument	[00:57]
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asciilifeform	equally obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html	[01:00]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance	[01:00]
asciilifeform	'I would like to sell you some hunger insurance. Are you insured against hunger? Perhaps you should be! Without this coverage, you may find it impossible to continue to afford feeding yourself and your family. With this coverage, not only will you be assured of continuing to get at least some food, but so will I. In fact, thanks to this plan, I will get to eat very, very well indeed.'	[01:01]
asciilifeform	thing is, insurance and full-blast commune are both ways of distributing risk. (sorta how cannibalism is just another way of producing meat, but i digress.)	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	i think there's equivocation at work here.	[01:04]
Adlai	modern western society is pretty much cannibalistic	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	there's insurance, which makes sense, if events happen discretely converting them into a continuous stream is useful.	[01:05]
Adlai	drinking sweat is just a more palpable form of eating meat	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	then there's sociaism, which makes no sense (average out nonscalar values)	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	now these may be used synonymously, but this misuse speaks only to the idiocy of the user.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	it does not affix to the concepts themselkves.	[01:06]
asciilifeform	average out nonscalar values << curious what's in there	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	(as to the first part, bitcoin mining is EXACTLY insurance, as a mechanism. it turns a string of discrete events (blocks found) into a practically continuous stream of services (hashes))	[01:06]
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Adlai	that's an interesting way of looking at it	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, the earlier discussion about iq, say, in the recent days.	[01:07]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:07]
*	Adlai always thought of pool operators as selling insurance to miners... but are miners collectively selling insurance to nonminers?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as in, take five people, pretend they're all the same, insure the lot.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	same thing as discussing "average iq" or other similar insanities born out of an inability to statistics.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	Adlai yes.	[01:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: seems like the fight between insurance client and insurer is really a dispute over what the house edge should be.	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	maybe.	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	doubt it tho, the house edge naturally trails the quality of prediction.	[01:09]
*	Adlai mutters something about decentralization, no houses no edges	[01:09]
asciilifeform	what casino wouldn't love to know if some fellow blessed by the gods to win $maxint that day (or simply a card counter) walks in?	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, the REASON insurance in the us is so expensive, is exactly the nonsense noise and crap induced in the calculations by the socialist legislation.	[01:09]
asciilifeform	and in the case of the latter - they compare notes, throw the 'malefactors' out	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	otherwise the market, if left alone instead of forced to "not abuse power" or w/e it's called, would push them to what can be borne on volatility	[01:09]
asciilifeform	or biodiesel.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	what's the market value of the clients remaining alive? (and on what market?)	[01:10]
asciilifeform	sans bezzle.	[01:10]
bounce	you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions.	[01:11]
bounce	s/statistics/using &/	[01:11]
Adlai	someday, human life will get a little less overvalued	[01:11]
bounce	so what is the value and the valuation of a human life?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions. << i do not agree.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	this is the communal view, based on a cooperative of the poor.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	but insurance is a financial matter, based on the wealth of the rich.	[01:12]
[]bot	Bet created: "Director of CDC to step down before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1057/	[01:12]
RagnarDanneskjol	yes	[01:12]
bounce	the rich don't need insurance, they can pay the disaster out of the way out of pocket.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	no, no, the rich provide the insurance.	[01:13]
undata	bounce: they're betting against each other with it	[01:13]
Apocalyptic	obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/02/wheel-of-misfortune.html // thanks for the link, a quite enjoyable article	[01:13]
assbot	ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune	[01:13]
Adlai	bounce: i don't know what it's worth exactly, but just listening to everybody's fearbabble and the taboo against suicide suggest that it's way overvalued these days	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	this is why the trading states (historical la serenissima, others) benefited so much from rich people in their midst. it creates stability, when there';s a guy with a large fortune capable to make specific statements about the future.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	luck + informational asymmetry == chumpatron.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	"the odds of this crop failling are 1%, pay me a dime get a ducat if your crop fail"	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	there's no "distribution " of anything in there.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not so.	[01:14]
undata	if I'm willing to provide you insurance, I'm giving you useful information about my assessment of your risk-level	[01:14]
undata	that kind of thing?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	for instance.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	"if you can't insure it don't do it" is how it goes on ws.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	and it is the ONLY injection of safety in a market,	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	in spite of WAY more spent on "regulation"	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	that provably does jack.	[01:15]
bounce	you don't need an external rich party to provide insurance; you can create your own. all you need is enough people with the same problem.	[01:15]
asciilifeform	there are things arguably vital (civilizationally) that are uninsurable.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce sure. you can also go to the moon by pulling on your underwear	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	all you need is enough people doing the same.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	har har.	[01:15]
bounce	eh, no.	[01:15]
asciilifeform	go insure against losing ww2. or failing to invent x.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	enough people with the same problem construct a large problem, not a solution.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	the solution comes from rich people.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	(try asking for 'peak oil' insurance, etc)	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform these are things that should be emin ently insurable in bounce's paradigm of insurance	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	not so in mine.	[01:16]
bounce	look. fire insurance. over some area 2% of the houses burn down every year. so you insure against that by gathering a goodly bunch of house owners and they contribute 2% of their own house's rebuilding value to the pot, plus a little extra to cover administration. instant rich party to cover houses burning down.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	just because insurance co-ops exist doesn't mean they're anything important you know.	[01:17]
bounce	well, they work a lot better than trying to go to the moon your way	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	you can't emulate a rich man by getting 100 poor idiots to donate a dime.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	this is actually better discussed in an old article, lemme find it.	[01:18]
bounce	you can pot up the risk, which is the function of the rich man in the narrative	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/tara-ca-un-hotel-sau-o-schimbare-de-perspectiva/	[01:18]
assbot	Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	the relevant part : "Ca sa ne intelegem mai bine : Ion e un copchil sarac si cam prost dintr-un cartier amarit din ceva orasel indistinct. Intr-o zi, Mircea cel Rau vine pe-acolo cu treaba, se aseaza-n bar cu cele doua catele ghemuite la picioare si bea un rom ceva. Fetele din cartieru’ respectiv, din dragoste de patrie (in exemplu’ nostru cartieru’ respectiv) il iau pe sus pe Ion, il aseaza la masa de vis-a-vis	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	si i se ghemuiesc la picioare si ele, ca alelalte. Ele sigur nu-s sclave, n-au nici antrenamentu’ nici priceperea nici pina la urma nevoile si structurile relatiei respective, acasa nu le-asteapta coloane de marmura, gradini unde apa susura printre chiparosi si havuzuri din care irumpe martipan ci peretii goi de beton, carpeta cu rapirea din serai si noptiera de placaj ramasa de la strabuna cu plosnite cu tot. Da’	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	indiferent de toate aceste aspecte, ele joaca un rol ca sa sustina o teorie : ca si la noi aici in cartieru’ curului avem chestii fine, si-un Ion care chiar daca-i numa’ din trei litere totusi e la fel de bun ca orice sef venit din zari.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	Ei, asta-i patriotismul, fetele din exemplu dau dovada de “dragoste de cartier”, si asta-i chestia pe care s-a construit Romania socialista daca sunteti curiosi, o structura de altfel imprumutata de la Romania carlista. Totul pentru patrie!"	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	ie, john is a poor but stupod kid from some downtown ghetto in some derpy town. one day, mircea the evil comes there on business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches cuddling at his feet and drinks a rum or something	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	the girls in the ghetto, for love of their fatherland, pick up john, sit him down at the table opposite and cuddle at his feet, just like the others.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	they are not slaves, have not the training, nor the skill nor in the end the needs or structures of that relationship.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	but irrespective of all this, they play a role to support a theory, and that theory is "we too".	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	it dun work.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	a guy with one million one dollar bills collected from his fellow nobodies is not a millionaire. he's a dangerously overpowered representative of the mob.	[01:21]
undata	complicated way to say that the primary role of the rich guy is dispensing his capital-allocating wisdom, if I follow	[01:22]
asciilifeform	how about the guy with the $m collected from his father?	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	undata well, could be summarized thus. moreover, what it's saying is that capital allocating wisdom can not be faked by merely collecting capital.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform depends.	[01:22]
bounce	good thing insurance co-ops only have one thing to do	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	bounce except it never stays that way, does it.	[01:24]
undata	bounce: yes if you define it broadly	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	soon enough they're out there supporting causes and underwriting bonds with gs and stuff.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	then the town is bankrupt suddenly, and everyone wonders	[01:25]
undata	bounce: how does the thing know when to pay out?	[01:25]
bounce	that would appear to be the rub, yes. pension funds and "financial products" and whatnot	[01:25]
bounce	you ask for the insurance administrator to hop by and observe your freshly burned-out house	[01:25]
undata	I'll admit I've never thought of insurance as such a central component of economics	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	bounce because mircea the evil can and will tell everyone to go fuck himself with a rolled up newspaper, among other things. because it's his motherfucking million.	[01:25]
*	undata has been in the bit mines too long	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	but co-ops are just co-ops. no owner, no sovereign, no hope and no future.	[01:26]
bounce	small ones that stick to their shtick can work pretty well	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	right-o.	[01:26]
bounce	big ones with ambitions... oh dear. that's the ones with their fingers in medical records.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	and if they work well they grow.	[01:26]
bounce	actually that doesn't have to be the case. some do pay back the excess and stay small.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	but my argument is : just because your john is an idiot, itdoes not follow you now have license to make a rule as to what mircea the evil can or can not do with his slavegirls.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	and similarly, arguing that insurance can't see the maps of the land because you want to have coops of idiots in insurance is nonsensicla.	[01:28]
bounce	that's your argument, and it's not the problem	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	aite, what did i miss	[01:28]
bounce	the problem is that they're making the maps so detailed as to follow every single thing on there, real-time. not areas, single persons.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	right.	[01:29]
bounce	that has nothing to do with making statistics work for you and everything with squeezing every single chump	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	...	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	something's missing.	[01:29]
bounce	whereabouts?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	well thereabouts : if i live in a neighbourhood where flood is 10% yearly, but because of where exactly my house is my chances are 2.3%	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	you want me to pay 10% for the greater good ?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	how about no and fuck you ?	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/09/18/ike.last.house.standing/art.gilchrist.house.irpt.jpg << the argument that this is "just sheer luck" reduces to both "if you built a business it's not your business" and "einstein never happened"	[01:31]
bounce	I don't follow. did that guy know that would happen in that case?	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	how would you know if he did or didn't ?	[01:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00073737 = 13.9363 BTC [-] {3}	[01:32]
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mircea_popescu	and more importantly, what licenses you to make this call.	[01:32]
bounce	plenty governments make that call, and even take away your ability to opt out of insurance altogether.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	we are, as a species, the results of that house surviving, you know.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, dinosaurs would still be "too big to fail"	[01:33]
undata	bounce: you're saying the government knows better than the hurricane?	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	lol great way to put it	[01:34]
bounce	no? 'sides, making the call without a clue is something governments do all the time	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	Load Averages: 0.00 0.00 0.00 <<< now listen cazalla, you'd better get moving with that qntra thing nao!!1	[01:36]
bounce	though anyway, the point of applying statistics in insurance is exactly because you don't know who's gonna get hit, you only know larger-scale numbers. even so, with this you can mitigate disaster to manageable proportions. that's why it exists.	[01:39]
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asciilifeform	it's his motherfucking million << his and the riflemens' ?	[01:40]
undata	bounce: if we all pile into the grenade together, some of us will survive!	[01:41]
undata	*onto	[01:41]
thestringpuller	i thought that worked though	[01:41]
Adlai	dinosaurs didn't fail though...	[01:41]
thestringpuller	one person lands on the grenade to save the rest	[01:41]
undata	maybe I'm smart enough to avoid them entirely	[01:41]
*	undata goes back to shoveling python	[01:41]
thestringpuller	matyr	[01:41]
asciilifeform	there was an sf tale where rich folks (alien dragon-like creatures, i think it was) actually get bigger	[01:43]
asciilifeform	and can hold off the town singlehandedly	[01:43]
asciilifeform	but, humans don't work this way.	[01:43]
Adlai	reptilians!	[01:43]
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Adlai	humans are but a genetic cross between mammals and reptiles	[01:43]
asciilifeform	('tooth and claw', j. walton)	[01:43]
undata	bounce: example, I'm a small biz owner and in my 20s	[01:44]
undata	due to the recent US healthcare laws, I'm expected to subsidize the old and infirm	[01:45]
undata	and receive virtually no actual insurance for my trouble	[01:45]
asciilifeform	did since fdr.	[01:45]
bounce	``Tooth and Claw is the easiest of my books to summarize. It's a sentimental Victorian novel in which all the characters are dragons who eat each other. If that sounds appealing, you'll like it. If not, then probably not.''	[01:45]
asciilifeform	^accurate	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	undata that's a different story tho. some allowance will have to be made for people who worked in one system, if you change it to another system,	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	otherwise it's just pillage.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	or in other words : someone's going to be stuck with the old and the infirm no matter how you work it out.	[01:46]
cazalla	"..which included a fingerprint scanner and camera, downloaded images of users' bitcoin identification cards." << where do i get one of these?	[01:47]
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bounce	the usg thing is a layer cake of fail. but yes, you'll end up with /some/ subsidizing in any such system. over the long run you'll have been young, subsidizing the old, and old, mooching off of the young both.	[01:47]
undata	that is true	[01:47]
undata	I wouldn't mind seeing the last few generations of americans starve, though.	[01:47]
undata	bounce: families should do that	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	well that's probably the only universal atm.	[01:48]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, qntra editor needs his breakfast before the day begins	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	undata note that this isn't a matter of should, but of does.	[01:48]
undata	nobody in mine needs it, but if they did, the younger generation could float them	[01:48]
bounce	if you live in a house for a hundred years, it never burned down, you paid its rebuilding value (given the 2%) twice over. is that a loss? or a win, after al, the house didn't burn down.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i shall have some baba ganoush in your honor.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	undata sure, but that's not really a societal response.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	bounce a properly built house doesn't "Burn down" anyway.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	nobody in romania has heard of or could imagine the point of "a sprinkler system"	[01:49]
undata	mircea_popescu: so pragmatically, what to do with the useless?	[01:49]
bounce	the really young (and thus families with young kids) also are a drain.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	nor "fire insurance"	[01:49]
undata	I haven't a clue	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	at least, not until the idiot westerners came in to build "offices" and "supermarkets"	[01:50]
bounce	so that's the problem. youse houses be just too good!	[01:50]
undata	box them in soviet apartments	[01:50]
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mircea_popescu	undata not just. houses too, if you build brick walls on concrete pillars... wtf is going to burn ?	[01:50]
bounce	ceaucescu did a lot of building, too, wasn't it?	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	Does terrafoam burn?	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo all plastics burn, more or less.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	!up Freen0deAdmin	[01:51]
-assbot-	You voiced Freen0deAdmin for 30 minutes.	[01:51]
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bounce	hm yeah still often quite a bit of wood. floors, roof holding up the tiles, that sort of thing	[01:51]
Freen0deAdmin	whats up	[01:52]
bounce	the roof. on fire.	[01:52]
chetty	BingoBoingo all plastics burn, more or less./usually with a lot of toxic smoke	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	bounce the roof is tarred tho.	[01:52]
Freen0deAdmin	hi	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	like you know, telephone poles. you ever seen a charred old pole, from a lightning strike ?	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	doesn't start burning	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	chetty ayup	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	Freen0deAdmin read the logs.	[01:53]
Freen0deAdmin	about?	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	about becoming a useful member of teh community.	[01:53]
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bounce	concrete'll burn, if the fire getting it going is hot enough. or whatwasit, turn back into quicklime and whatever else they put in it	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	not about yourself lmao, who the fuck gives a shit about yourself ? and you least of all!	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	bounce no it doesn't wtf are you talking about	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	o.o	[01:56]
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Freen0deAdmin	wow	[01:56]
bounce	!down Freen0deAdmin	[01:56]
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bounce	http://www.slideshare.net/DeadP/fire-effects-on-concrete	[01:57]
undata	mircea_popescu: so you're going to keep the Freen0deAdmins as pets?	[01:58]
assbot	Fire effects on concrete	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	undata uh whatcher asking me ?	[01:58]
undata	the huddled useless masses I'm paying insurance for, and who are going to receive unburnable housing	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	lol i don't have a particular plan in mind	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	maybe, if they look anything like the qntra gurlz.	[01:59]
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undata	the fantasy for me goes something like emperor Musk establishing space stations throughout the asteroid belt for mining	[02:04]
undata	he takes me with him to uh... build space roobas or something, and the rest are left on earth which at that point is one big venezuela	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	no homo ?	[02:04]
undata	oh maybe the tip	[02:05]
undata	but I am sure he's covered	[02:05]
undata	*roombas	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	anyone giving me even money on undata being a chick ?	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	jesus the prop market sucks in here!	[02:08]
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BingoBoingo	Ben Fox is usually the person with signal on this issue	[02:09]
undata	pow, right in the manhood	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	hey, i'm a sporting man. i like to lay the occasional bet.	[02:10]
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BigBitz	what are we betting on? :)	[02:10]
undata	muh genitals	[02:11]
RagnarDanneskjol	ahahah	[02:11]
undata	look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	undata you know there's worse things than being a chick.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	like for instance - being a cat.	[02:12]
BigBitz	has the Hawaii chick been to space yet?	[02:12]
BigBitz	I'd rather be a chick than a cat, that's for sure.	[02:12]
BigBitz	I fucking hate cats.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	who doesn't.	[02:12]
BigBitz	Stupid people?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	well... stupid women, at any rate	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	there's no explaining children otherwise.	[02:12]
BigBitz	True story.	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	o, this just in from the PW:RN&other dox department	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.seabreeze.com.au/img/Content/5072319/5072362.jpg <<< undata is 2nd from left.	[02:14]
undata	haaa	[02:14]
BigBitz	undata you know if you show tits that mircea_popescu will give you coin.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, totally forgot about that.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	;;rated undata	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate undata " look guys, I'm merely gay-for-trip-to-spacestation"	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	suppose you get in that wot thingee eh.	[02:15]
BigBitz	Doh.	[02:15]
BigBitz	not even in WoT and someone +v her.	[02:15]
BigBitz	I bet she has multiple cats. ffs.	[02:15]
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undata	mircea_popescu: I am also trinque	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	chicks get anything they want these days huh.	[02:16]
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BigBitz	mircea_popescu yup...	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	undata what's a trinque ?	[02:16]
BigBitz	pussy controls.	[02:16]
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undata	mircea_popescu: apparently wine makers at some point	[02:17]
mats_cd03	;;get trinque	[02:17]
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mircea_popescu	;;get laid	[02:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00073878 = 9.6411 BTC [+]	[02:19]
thestringpuller	toxic is an understantement	[02:19]
thestringpuller	^- chetty	[02:19]
thestringpuller	BigBitz: i saw your interview about Alex Green	[02:20]
BigBitz	Interview...	[02:20]
BigBitz	Heh.	[02:20]
BigBitz	Where is it now?	[02:20]
thestringpuller	CCN	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	yeah there needs to be another word for the stuff.	[02:20]
BigBitz	I didn't interview, a friend asked me some information, I told him... ummJackson wasn't to allow CCN to use it.	[02:20]
BigBitz	thestringpuller got a link?	[02:21]
BigBitz	did they at least use the message I signed -- and made a typo in. Sigh.	[02:21]
BingoBoingo	0.o	[02:21]
BigBitz	Yeah - typos are lame.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz hey, wanna give an interview to BingoBoingo about how it sucks to be "interviewed" and so forth ?	[02:22]
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BigBitz	LOL	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	:D	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	!up AdrianoOliveira	[02:22]
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BigBitz	Since you ask so nicely, how could I not?!	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	alrighty, have fun you two.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	and no homo!	[02:22]
thestringpuller	".I, BigBitz, can confirm the person in this video is indeed Mr. Ryan Kennedy. I say Ryan Kennedy, and not Alex Green or Ryan Gentle or various other nonsense, as Ryan Kennedy is the name I had him arrested under when he scammed me" - BigBitz via https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/new-sources-verify-bitcoin-exchange-moolah-ceo-alex-greens-former-scammer-identity/	[02:22]
assbot	New Sources Verify Bitcoin Exchange Moolah CEO Alex Green's Former Scammer Identity	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	It turns out no actual news happened while we were being DDOS'd so nothing else to cover	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#880461 << that, and it's quite marginal.	[02:23]
assbot	Logged on 17-10-2014 17:29:41; mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.	[02:23]
jurov	all scammers were too busy ddosing	[02:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up moldysnizz	[02:24]
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mircea_popescu	jurov if this is not only a pathetic effort, but a CROWDSOURCED pathetic effort ...	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	im out of lolz.	[02:24]
BigBitz	I like how they called my Anonymous.	[02:24]
thestringpuller	what are butthurt hooligans to do?	[02:24]
BigBitz	then put my name. Nice.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you know, hooligans is what ceausescu called the dudes that shot him.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	resulting in a song, quite popular at the time, "mai bine huligan decit dictator", "better off a hooligan than a dictator"	[02:25]
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thestringpuller	that's deep shit man	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	it tellingly ends with a "better off dead than communist"	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	here it is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w	[02:26]
assbot	Imnul golanilor - YouTube	[02:26]
thestringpuller	so now we turn it to "better off deat than socialist"?	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	the difference is negligible.	[02:26]
jurov	well, that's my proposal for qntra article: "Qntra was under DDoS sustained for 3 days. Ther was no newsworthy scam activity in bicoinland during this time."	[02:26]
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jurov	gimme my 30 shares	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov that soulds more like a byline lol	[02:27]
bounce	bylines pay double, right? right?	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	you been in print have you.	[02:27]
thestringpuller	i don't understant though fully. If hooligans have access to botnets and can't monetize them, why don't they rent them out for people to attack other people?	[02:28]
BigBitz	thestringpuller should I get a manager?	[02:28]
BigBitz	and sign autographs?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	i have access to women and can't monetize them,	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	why don't i rent them out to fuck other people ?	[02:28]
thestringpuller	i mean you could?	[02:28]
thestringpuller	right?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	well sure i could.	[02:28]
BigBitz	can't? or won't...	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	if i were poor and stupid.	[02:28]
BigBitz	you're not poor, I know that much.	[02:28]
thestringpuller	are you saying the hooligans are not poor and stupid?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	well now that all depends.	[02:29]
undata	the risk is they take your women...	[02:31]
undata	er... bots	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[02:31]
BigBitz	bots, women, interchangeable for mircea_popescu.	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	you know the story about how they kidnapped that chick, sent a ransom note,	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	and the response came that "i might take that much to take her off your hands" ?	[02:31]
thestringpuller	LOL	[02:31]
undata	ha	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	take 'em, take 'em, enjoy your life	[02:31]
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thestringpuller	if cop dramas portraying kidnapping were real, I'd think that'd be in the media more often.	[02:32]
thestringpuller	"We want 1 mn for her safe return." "No thx. You did me a favor kthxbai."	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	"could you kidnap the other one too ?"	[02:33]
thestringpuller	it's like that chappelle joke about how terrorist never take black hostages	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	oh ?	[02:34]
thestringpuller	"We have 3 hostages. They are black. Hello? Hello? They hung up."	[02:34]
thestringpuller	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ASPUkkHMs << reference	[02:35]
assbot	Dave Chapelle: why terrorists won't take black people as hostage - YouTube	[02:35]
cazalla	so they turned my alter ego into a short doco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrRXP1tp6Kw	[02:36]
assbot	Bitcoin in Uganda - Empowering People - YouTube	[02:36]
thestringpuller	cazalla: Hah. And you were just trolling!	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller lol not bad	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	he's like totally wasted isn't he ?	[02:38]
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thestringpuller	Yea. He's usually high on weed like 95% of the time.	[02:39]
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thestringpuller	!up devthedev	[02:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[02:47]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	ah come on what sort of bs is this	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	i was promised ddos and turmoil god dang it!	[02:48]
BigBitz	Why would you want it DDoS'd? :	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	i was enjoying getting all the lists.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	(this is the downside of ddos : fuck with the wrong target, lose your botnet)	[02:50]
Adlai	well it'll still be effective against non-wrong targets	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	think about it. for a computer to be in a botnet it has to be vulnerable to something, right ?	[02:52]
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mircea_popescu	what happens if i give you a list of ips of computers you know to be vulnerable to something ?	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	Oh, Another botnet takes the botnet. Then there's botnets in all of the botnets.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	i mean sure, idiot users aren't patchable, so probably the same box will surface again later	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	but it won't be yours, ever again. not likely, at any rate.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	not when we're talking peanuts ops on the fringe.	[02:54]
Adlai	the wrongest target would be one that patches the vulnerability after infection	[02:54]
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mircea_popescu	o hey look at that! Load Averages: 13.43 3.55 1.18!	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	now we're talkin'!	[02:56]
bounce	what is that box running?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	qntra.	[02:57]
bounce	and OS?	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	rhel	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	So Buttcoin seems to have the best bearwhale gallery http://www.buttcoinfoundation.org/i-am-the-bearwhale-goo-goo-gjoob	[02:58]
bounce	pity. might've tried and stuck an accept filter in there, see if that drops the load a bit	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	how you mean ?	[02:59]
TheNewDeal	looks like someone even went and 3d printed a bearwhale	[03:00]
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bounce	OS feature: freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=accf_http	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	ah that	[03:03]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#881389	[03:04]
assbot	Logged on 18-10-2014 00:01:40; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#881389	[03:04]
kakobrekla	hm	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wait wut ?!	[03:04]
kakobrekla	ah i failed	[03:04]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#881394	[03:05]
assbot	Logged on 18-10-2014 00:02:52; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#881394	[03:05]
kakobrekla	ok	[03:05]
*	Adlai loves it	[03:05]
BingoBoingo	!b 9	[03:05]
assbot	Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1STS0BN.txt )	[03:05]
kakobrekla	was hoping to get the first line of the log for the day and messed up the first try. ah well.	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	Well just set up tomorrow's log to have 1st poast	[03:08]
kakobrekla	maybe this one http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#884000	[03:12]
assbot	Logged on 01-01-1970 00:00:00; :	[03:12]
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kakobrekla	assbot cant grasp future lol.	[03:13]
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kakobrekla	stupid bot.	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[03:14]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/20DMCQK.txt )	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	!future	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	!t h future	[03:15]
assbot	I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.	[03:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25488 @ 0.00073878 = 18.83 BTC [+]	[03:20]
diametric	asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/16/this-debunked-kickstarter-project-may-be-the-biggest-crowdfounding-fail-to-date/	[03:31]
assbot	This debunked Kickstarter project may be the biggest crowdfunding fail to date - The Washington Post	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	Load Averages: 3.71 14.67 16.87 << you'll have to do better than that babe!	[03:31]
diametric	I'm actually surprised kickstarter cancelled this one.	[03:31]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/a-free-bitcoin-atm-machine-for-suitable-hosts/ maybe mircea_popescu can get one for his bedroom if foot traffic meets criteria?	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	dude what the shit, 0.27 load what is this bullcrap	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	THE TAUNTINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL DDOS IMPROVES!~!!	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you know what'd happen if women had no feet ?	[03:35]
cazalla	cry because they have no shoes (googled that one)	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	cazalla no, they'd leave trails like slugs.	[03:36]
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bounce	"automatic teller machine machine"	[03:53]
bounce	http://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/2014/10/btc/	[03:53]
assbot	Free Banking on a Bitcoin Standard–The State Prepares its Death Blow \| PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[03:54]
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cazalla	bounce, sorta like RIP in Peace eh?	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	"That line right there, if accepted into regulation, would be enough to conclusively destroy any hope of a Bitcoin monetary takeover. It effectively sets a 100% reserve requirement for Bitcoin banks, making it imposible for the supply of Bitcoin to expand in the ways that would be necessary for the cryptocurrency to displace conventional money."	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	imbecile be imbecile.	[03:55]
bounce	just for your FYI	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment. << obviously.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	a well.	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up copumpkin	[03:58]
-assbot-	You voiced copumpkin for 30 minutes.	[03:58]
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copumpkin	allo	[03:59]
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copumpkin	(so if my connection drops, that's probably why)	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	how goes ?	[04:01]
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mike_c	;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com	[04:23]
gribble	log.bitcoin-assets.com is down	[04:23]
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mircea_popescu	orly ?!	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[04:27]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[04:27]
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thestringpuller	;;isup trilema.com	[04:27]
gribble	trilema.com is down	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	no wai ?!	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	;;isup qntra.net	[04:27]
RagnarDanneskjol	!s is down	[04:27]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	da fuck, i seem ?	[04:27]
thestringpuller	people must really hate qntra and trilema ~_~	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	dude wtf.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-dangers-of-irish-pubs/	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	oh cuz assbot is ded	[04:29]
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thestringpuller	i still can't connect ~_~	[04:30]
kakobrekla	load average: 70.20, 65.31, 38.20	[04:30]
RagnarDanneskjol	'lema works for me	[04:30]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller what's dig qntra.net say to you ?	[04:30]
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thestringpuller	might be dns	[04:30]
thestringpuller	yea checking now mircea_popescu	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	http://browsershots.org/http://qntra.net/ << i just did this	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	it's up.	[04:31]
assbot	Website Overview for http://qntra.net/	[04:31]
RagnarDanneskjol	dem lawgs still down	[04:31]
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thestringpuller	http://dpaste.com/3P3NYHZ	[04:32]
assbot	dpaste: 3P3NYHZ: trilema dig	[04:32]
kakobrekla	lawgs not coming back	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yup.	[04:32]
RagnarDanneskjol	kakobrekla please clarify	[04:33]
thestringpuller	is that right?	[04:33]
decimation	re: kennedy "committed" < but all he really did was quite unknowingly empower von braun, whose scheme it was in the first place	[04:33]
thestringpuller	^ mircea_popescu	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	decimation so ?	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yes it is o.o	[04:33]
decimation	well, hitler also empowered von braunn, but also was 'committed' to a retarded strategy	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation exactly!	[04:35]
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thestringpuller	i can't traceroute to them either :(	[04:36]
kakobrekla	RagnarDanneskjol kig does not need 100% uptime, so it will back when its back	[04:37]
kakobrekla	kig = log	[04:37]
decimation	but neither hitler not kennedy really knew shit about von braun or rocketry.	[04:37]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh my. hmm	[04:37]
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decimation	for instance, bush jr, 'committed' to putting a man on mars, which is obviously retarded for many reasons, not the least of which being that no one is in charge of nasa, and certainly not von braun	[04:38]
RagnarDanneskjol	is there a log arxiv available elsewhere?	[04:38]
thestringpuller	~_~	[04:39]
thestringpuller	do we need mirrors already	[04:39]
kakobrekla	idk	[04:39]
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kakobrekla	id publish archive on files.bitcoin-assets.com	[04:43]
kakobrekla	but its down :)	[04:43]
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thestringpuller	kakobrekla: DDOS?	[04:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it has to be vulnerable to something, right ? << hate to disappoint, but 99% of the chumps are accounted for by perfectly lame trojans.	[04:46]
TheNewDeal	;;seen bugpowder	[04:46]
gribble	bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: Draper	[04:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no exploitation to speak of.	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	https://gist.github.com/dchest/1091803	[04:49]
assbot	UNIX V5, OpenBSD, Plan 9, FreeBSD, and GNU coreutils implementations of echo.c	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform for one thing, 99% of that 99% is the same damned three trojans	[04:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mostly 'zeus' & variants.	[04:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: virtually the whole of the turdware world has, for some years, been accounted for by cargocult l4m3rs who 'license' a turd (why? because, even building a ready tarball found wherever - is far beyond their intellectual level)	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	no dude, licensing is moar businesslike!	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	they be ceos.	[04:51]
asciilifeform	so yes, same 3, and some imbecile paid for his command box addr to be hardcoded in	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	decimation bush jr commited to nothing.	[04:52]
decimation	he said some words, which is more or less what kennedy did	[04:52]
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asciilifeform	a number of peculiarly 'challenged' sp4mz0rs distribute a turd which consists of... stock 'putty' (ssh client for winblows) in a wrapper which runs it in such a way as to create a tunnel.	[04:54]
asciilifeform	usually this is used as a spamproxy	[04:54]
asciilifeform	but can be ddos, etc	[04:54]
asciilifeform	why this is peculiarly retarded - challenge for alert reader.	[04:54]
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mircea_popescu	decimation in no sense "saying some words" is what anyone did.	[04:54]
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mircea_popescu	so anyway, the ddos of qntra is dead. here are the captions : 12`754`766 requests from 5397 unique wordpress installations.	[05:01]
asciilifeform	# not from wp ?	[05:01]
kakobrekla	well not dead, moved.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	a coupla mil.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	but my point is, this comes to ~100 hits an hour from each of these idiots. just slightly under, which means the 100 was the prospective rate set by the attacker,	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	not their upper bound bandwidth.	[05:02]
asciilifeform	many turdmeisters throttle the chump engines	[05:03]
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asciilifeform	lengthens turd life	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	now, at a conservative 50kb per page, each of these installations comes to ~11kbps sustained over a day.	[05:03]
asciilifeform	(lamer with 'me box is sl000w' tends to end up reformatting, rewinblowsing)	[05:03]
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mircea_popescu	WordPress: Now Powering 50 Million Blogs - The Next Web	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	let's do the math shall we.	[05:04]
decimation	asciilifeform: if all these boxes are exploited with the same malwarez, does that mean that the malwarez exploit the same unpatched holes?	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 50000000 * 11000	[05:04]
gribble	550000000000	[05:04]
danielpbarron	!isdown http://logs.bitcoin-assets.com/	[05:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: see 5 min ago	[05:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: almost all turdware is plain trojan. only exploit is between the chumper's ears.	[05:04]
decimation	ah I see what you mean	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	o look at that! Mullenweg & automattic are responsible for a maximal 550 gbps, sustained indefinitely.	[05:05]
asciilifeform	precious and rare, the 'drive by'	[05:05]
decimation	as in 'click the .exe' or whatever variant	[05:05]
asciilifeform	(actual exploit, generally from vulnerable browser and a habit of reading spam)	[05:05]
decimation	or vulnerable office docs	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	^	[05:05]
decimation	like that rsa keyfob scam	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	i think that's the majority, ppl running office-etc	[05:05]
asciilifeform	office is a bottomless mine of 0day	[05:06]
decimation	actually that was flash exploited via excel http://gcn.com/articles/2011/04/04/rsa-hack-securid-adobe-flash.aspx	[05:06]
asciilifeform	turdware is an interestingly btc-related 'scientific' field, because one hundred percent of folks with brains who have any truck with turdware (production end, that is) occupy themselves with somehow mapping their activity to btc income.	[05:07]
asciilifeform	(with brains - by definition. ones who operate in fiat - are diagnosably retarded here from our chairs)	[05:08]
asciilifeform	said mapping is nontrivial, and isn't getting any easier.	[05:08]
decimation	for instance 'cryptolocker'	[05:08]
asciilifeform	(mining difficulty etc)	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	so now the moral dilemma of all time : should i use my list of wordpress installs to blow wordpress.com off the internets or shouldn't i.	[05:09]
asciilifeform	cryptolocker << one (mostly spent) shot, yes	[05:09]
decimation	cryptolocker's approach is to force the victim to do the conversion of fiat to btc, like a mule	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	then take out one by one all the "press venues" that failed to report on my article, while at it.	[05:09]
asciilifeform	decimation: or to fetch backups (we all have them, no..?)	[05:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 5k bots is rather threadbare for this purpose	[05:10]
asciilifeform	(otherwise entirely admirable)	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	let's not confuse things. the chump's list is 5k	[05:10]
asciilifeform	ahaha	[05:10]
asciilifeform	well then.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	my list is about 7.5 mn	[05:10]
asciilifeform	though i imagine they're already rather occupied.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	i've been spidering the net since early oct	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	honestly... doubt it very much.	[05:11]
decimation	it's pretty likely that someone 'behind' the victim press sites have something to do with the ddos	[05:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what, meat without flies ?	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	dude do you know how much meat is out there ?	[05:11]
asciilifeform	many more flies.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	planet of meat. what flies ? in outer space ?	[05:11]
asciilifeform	ehe. i've a honeypot coughing up log to a scrolling term at all hours, reliably farts wp probing	[05:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: w.r.t. the 'putty' controller above, I thought 'modern' malware used generated dns records to 'phone home'	[05:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: this was the most illiterate possible turd, consisting of entirely unmodified 'putty' with a batch script giving it command line args to create 'ssh tunnel.'	[05:13]
decimation	that's lulzy	[05:16]
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decimation	the truely elite hax0r figures out how to pirate an existing botnet	[05:17]
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mircea_popescu	o it thought the truely elite haxxor works for the nsa	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: How do you thing NSA/FBI does their DDOs? They pirate legit ru/cn/Ohio botnets	[05:19]
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decimation	"with paper money he could buy a lot of the deeds needed to back up the words. With paper money he could persuade the Sirian foe to kick himself good and hard in the pants and save the Terrans a tedious chore"	[05:20]
cazalla	logs down or under attack now as well?	[05:25]
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kakobrekla	both i guess	[05:27]
TheNewDeal	I've been using them pretty much the last 12 hours with no issues. Must have just started	[05:28]
kakobrekla	up (for now)	[05:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00074019 = 7.661 BTC [+]	[05:41]
asciilifeform	decimation: existing botnet << often quite trivial. but then what to do with it.	[05:47]
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asciilifeform	the basic fact is, unless you have the infrastructure for reprocessing hot fiat into purified chumpatronium, botnet is not of particularly much use today.	[05:50]
asciilifeform	(what fiat? mostly shenanigans revolving around the us/natoblok idiot credit card system)	[05:50]
asciilifeform	the people who have the silent crown blessing to carry on with this - know who they are.	[05:51]
asciilifeform	the rest - prey animals for the 'tough on cyb3rsc4mz0rs!!!111!! arm of usg.	[05:52]
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decimation	asciilifeform: what I find amusing is that obama was complaining about credit card fraud while he (or at least, the people over which he nominally presides) are chiefly responsible	[05:52]
decimation	one imagines King Louis joining the paris mobs	[05:53]
asciilifeform	botnet << see logs from other day for rough calculation of how even half a million bots would scarcely suffice to live on	[05:55]
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asciilifeform	assuming no wish to forfeit your arse by dealing in fiat with known fiatmiscreants	[05:55]
asciilifeform	('live on' means, roughly, six fig. usd minimum., equiv. - folks who can live on tree bark, don't need to descend to writing turdware, tree bark is normally free for the taking)	[05:56]
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decimation	seems like a risky proposition if one lives within reach of usg	[05:57]
asciilifeform	which?	[05:57]
decimation	trying to live off six figures of botnet-bezzled fiat	[05:57]
mike_c	i don't understand. what's the fun of all the ddos if you're not going to come in here and taunt?	[05:57]
asciilifeform	living on even a penny of stolen fiat is 'risky proposition' if not a favoured son	[05:57]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I'm enjoying 'the wasp'	[06:05]
asciilifeform	neato	[06:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00073805 = 7.565 BTC [-]	[06:06]
mod6	$vwap s.mpoe	[06:11]
empyex	mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00073936 high: 0.00074241 low: 0.0007342 volume: 845832 btc: 625.37433682 7 day: average: 0.00073809 high: 0.00074368 low: 0.00073316 volume: 8213009 btc: 6061.91560232 30 day: average: 0.00074413 high: 0.00075684 low: 0.00073316 volume: 24117723 btc: 17946.7632577	[06:11]
mod6	%ob	[06:12]
atcbot	7k@266 99k@255 29k@225 \| 28k@190 70k@180 100k@175	[06:12]
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thestringpuller	is trilema down for anyone else?	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	%d	[06:17]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 327338.31 in 60 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.57	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	!s down	[06:17]
assbot	4366 results for 'down' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=down	[06:17]
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cazalla	thestringpuller, works here	[06:18]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/	[06:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34032 @ 0.00073773 = 25.1064 BTC [-] {3}	[06:21]
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thestringpuller	i'm going to retry with tor	[06:28]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/523308238700175360 lol andreas	[06:31]
assbot	/sovryntech and /S_Murphy_PhD helped bitcoin trader market their pump, scammers along with /aantonop, seems like all you lot at LTB are init	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	the basic fact is, unless you have the infrastructure for reprocessing hot fiat into purified chumpatronium, botnet is not of particularly much use today. << that's the beauty of nature tho! instead of making it secure, they decided to "stop criminality" by making criminal-cash worthless. inasmuch as they've rpetty much succeeded... they also made their own cash worthless.	[06:31]
thestringpuller	yea I can get through to trilema and qntra with tor	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	because as usual, bad money drives out the good	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't understand. what's the fun of all the ddos if you're not going to come in here and taunt? << i was doing the taunting. saturated mkt.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller pm me your ip ?	[06:33]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you had been ipbanned. i fixt it now. check tor too, if it works now then well... it's not all that tor-y	[06:35]
thestringpuller	thanks	[06:36]
decimation	even obama complains about how 'his' 'cash' isn't worthy	[06:37]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[06:39]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 379.28, Best ask: 379.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 379.27, 24 hour volume: 9506.96031850, 24 hour low: 370.96, 24 hour high: 386.0, 24 hour vwap: 379.451409648	[06:39]
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thestringpuller	https://o.info/index.php/How_to_issue_a_cryptosecurity << where did this wiki come from ~_~	[06:46]
assbot	How to issue a cryptosecurity - O.info	[06:46]
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danielpbarron	cazalla, Mark Edge was also in the ad; he's one of the freetalklive guys I've been tweeting at / seems to be the one managing @FreeTalkLive http://twitter.com/FreeTalkLive	[06:59]
assbot	FreeTalkLive (@FreeTalkLive) \| Twitter	[06:59]
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cazalla	danielpbarron, i'll add it	[07:00]
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cazalla	i don't know how they could create an advertisement like that without at all being suspicious	[07:05]
danielpbarron	https://twitter.com/FreeTalkLive/status/523320788557238272	[07:06]
assbot	Oh, man. This is too sweet. http://t.co/2oMG2KYkPs /FreeTalkLive /sovryntech /S_Murphy_PhD /qntra /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets	[07:06]
cazalla	they don't get it, i'm not claiming they ran the ponzi but assisted it and like andreas, they don't accept their foolish behaviour so it will happen again	[07:08]
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danielpbarron	in one of their recent radio broadcasts, they practically told listeners to buy bitcoin from one of their advertisers in order to pay for drugs on the silkroad	[07:14]
danielpbarron	https://www.expresscoin.com/	[07:15]
assbot	Buy Bitcoins! Fast, Easy, and Safe - expresscoin	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	so basically what, "commercial immunity" ? we can make any add for satan himself, as long as we're getting paid ?	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	Safer to make ads for satan. Recognizable brand. Customers know what they get when the Buy Satan.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	lol that's a point	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	With the caveat that you only advertise for Satan under his own brand.	[07:20]
BingoBoingo	Using the ponzi label when advertising a Ponzi anytime after the historical ponzi's bust... fine. Advertizing ponzi under any other brand like Pirateat40, not fine.	[07:22]
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decimation	" For example, in America, observed de Tocqueville, a book that does not make money – because it does not sell well – cannot be good, because the test of all goodness is money. And anything that makes a profit must be admirable in every way. I"	[07:29]
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BingoBoingo	!up Maryjane	[07:42]
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BingoBoingo	Hello Maryjane	[07:42]
Maryjane	Hi	[07:42]
Maryjane	:)	[07:43]
xanthyos	hi	[07:43]
BingoBoingo	What brings you around these parts?	[07:43]
Maryjane	Xan	[07:43]
Maryjane	:)	[07:43]
xanthyos	Maryjane is a bee expert	[07:43]
Maryjane	Hehehe	[07:44]
Maryjane	Yeah winter is boring	[07:45]
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mircea_popescu	o, srsly, you raise bees ?	[07:46]
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kakobrekla	10000 elements in 60 seconds (166.67 elements/s)	[07:50]
kakobrekla	wait no	[07:51]
kakobrekla	10000 elements in 21 seconds (476.19 elements/s)	[07:51]
kakobrekla	:D	[07:51]
kakobrekla	833 e/s	[07:52]
kakobrekla	not too shabby eh	[07:52]
kakobrekla	1k now	[07:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: amusing story. the moral: once a wasp - always a wasp until death or total victory	[07:55]
Maryjane	Yes	[07:56]
Maryjane	It's wintering season atm though	[07:57]
decimation	apiculture is an ancient and honorable profession	[07:57]
Maryjane	It's creation	[07:57]
Maryjane	:)	[07:58]
decimation	Maryjane: do you live in the usa?	[07:58]
Maryjane	Yes	[07:58]
decimation	what do you make of the panic with respect to the africanized bees coming from the south?	[07:59]
Maryjane	It's over panicked	[07:59]
decimation	seems to me that the main danger is letting neglected properties become fully infested	[08:00]
Maryjane	Italians and carni's are what we raise here usually, but bees even African iced are highly adapted creatures. The African iced ones are forced into a place they don't thrive. It's like how the Russian bees don't do well here either	[08:01]
Maryjane	Afrocanized*	[08:01]
xanthyos	african iced, is that an auto correct?	[08:03]
Maryjane	Yesss	[08:03]
decimation	I read somewhere that south american beekeepers now prize the africanized bees for their honey production	[08:03]
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Maryjane	They thrive in south America	[08:03]
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Maryjane	Pollen flow is very different	[08:03]
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decimation	I suspect the best 'solution' is to interbreed the africanized bees with other species and select against aggressive broods.	[08:05]
xanthyos	and make the perfect broodwich	[08:06]
Maryjane	Yes. They could. But that could go either good or bad	[08:07]
decimation	how could it go bad?	[08:07]
Maryjane	Because any breed can Africanize even italians or carnolians	[08:07]
Maryjane	Or Caucasians	[08:08]
xanthyos	sicilians are africanized italians	[08:08]
decimation	interesting. apparently the bees are are aware of the 'one drop' rule	[08:09]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:10]
Maryjane	They'll adapt by themselves	[08:10]
Maryjane	They have since before our years	[08:11]
Maryjane	I've worked with aggressive carnolians	[08:12]
Maryjane	They made a new queen and she calmed the whole colony	[08:12]
decimation	heh. interesting.	[08:13]
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xanthyos	!up Maryjane	[08:13]
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Maryjane	I like russian bees.	[08:14]
decimation	apparently carniolan bees are from romania	[08:14]
decimation	how are russian bees different?	[08:15]
Maryjane	Their propolis production	[08:15]
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decimation	do you have problems with mites?	[08:17]
Maryjane	Carnolians are great they originated in like the southern Austrian alps and Danube valley	[08:17]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:17]
Maryjane	Mites are always here	[08:18]
Maryjane	Varroa	[08:18]
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Maryjane	We treat with powdered sugar to help that issue	[08:18]
decimation	do the russian bees seem more resistant to the mites? It appears the gov't thinks that's the case.	[08:19]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:19]
Maryjane	Their immune system is stronger against varroa than carnolians	[08:19]
Maryjane	Italians are ok	[08:19]
xanthyos	agreed!	[08:20]
Maryjane	They aren't too bothered by varroa	[08:20]
decimation	the russian sage in front of my home was filled with bees this summer, they are gone now	[08:21]
Maryjane	We had epic basswood honey this yr	[08:22]
xanthyos	r	[08:22]
Maryjane	It was soo white	[08:23]
Maryjane	The comb. Unf.	[08:23]
decimation	have you seen colony collapse disorder?	[08:27]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:27]
Maryjane	The queen starts laying drones	[08:28]
Maryjane	She gets weak	[08:28]
xanthyos	do you think it's related at all to cell phone tower radiation?	[08:28]
Maryjane	Could very well be	[08:29]
Maryjane	It's also gmos	[08:29]
decimation	eh, I think that theory is crazy. much more likely is widespread pesticide us	[08:29]
decimation	use	[08:29]
decimation	cell phone radiation just doesn't affect things that much	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla elements ?	[08:30]
Maryjane	Any man made pesticide will weaken their immune system but plant based is ok	[08:30]
Maryjane	Bees actually use plants as pesticides	[08:30]
decimation	http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/05/09/pesticides-not-mites-cause-honeybee-colony-collapse/	[08:30]
assbot	Pesticides, Not Mites, Cause Honeybee Colony Collapse - D-brief \| DiscoverMagazine.com	[08:30]
Maryjane	There's varying reason	[08:31]
cazalla	i wanted to get into bees this spring but council regs won't permit it :	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	apparently carniolan bees are from romania ?<< yeah.	[08:31]
Maryjane	I treat	[08:32]
Maryjane	7000 lbs this yr but I worked commercially	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you need a permit to keep bees ?!	[08:32]
Maryjane	We lost some due to wax moth damage	[08:33]
decimation	Maryjane: do you move your hives long distances to pollinate?	[08:33]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:33]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, you need to register for a licence, another keep has to come check out your hive, hive cannot be within x distance of other homes plus others	[08:33]
Maryjane	Well my boss did	[08:33]
Maryjane	I personally just want my hives here	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[08:34]
Maryjane	My boss has bees in ga and California and vermont	[08:34]
decimation	cazalla: the People continue to wage war on anything unusual	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	back in romania, pretty much any old guy that's not a fucktard keeps bees	[08:35]
Maryjane	That's a part of beekeeping	[08:35]
cazalla	i could host the hive elsewhere but defeats the added benefit of having the bees in the backyard to help pollinate veg and fruit trees	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	in the countryside i mean.	[08:35]
decimation	Maryjane: in California for the almonds?	[08:35]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:35]
Maryjane	:)	[08:35]
Maryjane	Almond Honey tastes like leather shoes	[08:36]
Maryjane	Ew	[08:36]
Maryjane	Lol	[08:36]
decimation	yeah but almonds are delicious, I'm glad for the bees.	[08:36]
Maryjane	Same	[08:36]
Maryjane	Almond expenses go to ppl like me too	[08:36]
Maryjane	So buy them lol	[08:36]
Maryjane	Bees are extremely expensive both money and time wise	[08:37]
decimation	mircea_popescu: I suspect that any farmer who actually plans on living on his own harvest is much the same	[08:37]
decimation	the bees are worth their wage when they pollinate more efficiently than the alternatives	[08:38]
Maryjane	Most hobbyists I know here cannot keep up with keeping the bees tho	[08:38]
xanthyos	that would be a fun job; transporting colonies	[08:39]
Maryjane	It is	[08:39]
Maryjane	Especially down the Champlain valley	[08:39]
xanthyos	and watching them interact with a stranger colony	[08:39]
Maryjane	Mmf	[08:39]
xanthyos	like first contact	[08:39]
decimation	Maryjane: what are the main expenses? seems to me you just need to harvest the honey every once in awhile	[08:39]
Maryjane	7 days a week	[08:39]
decimation	for a small hive?	[08:40]
Maryjane	U have to move brood and honey for expansion, clean out drone caps, treat and feed.	[08:40]
Maryjane	U could lose a queen any day	[08:41]
Maryjane	Should have more than 1 hive	[08:41]
decimation	if the colony swarms?	[08:41]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:41]
Maryjane	Which u can save that colony from moving brood frames.	[08:42]
Maryjane	From ur other colonies	[08:42]
Maryjane	They'll draw s new queen	[08:42]
decimation	so they swap places basically?	[08:42]
Maryjane	Yes	[08:42]
decimation	yeah I can see how this would pose some difficulties keeping track of what is going on	[08:43]
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decimation	!up Maryjane	[08:44]
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decimation	well I'm going to retire for the evening, thanks for the interesting conversation	[08:44]
Maryjane	Same I'm sleepy :F	[08:44]
Maryjane	Goodnight :)	[08:44]
decimation	goodnight.	[08:45]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu requests per second	[08:45]
kakobrekla	tcpdump port 80 \| logtop	[08:46]
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RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.scmagazine.com/ssdp-reflection-ddos-attacks-on-the-rise-akamai-warns/article/377754/	[08:51]
assbot	SSDP reflection DDoS attacks on the rise, Akamai warns - SC Magazine	[08:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.ijerest.in/papers/IJEREST-1103112014.pdf	[08:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	[A Survey on Distributed Denial of Service Attacks, Tools, and Countermeasures]	[08:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	[http://www.ijedr.org/papers/IJEDR1403077.pdf	[08:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	[Intrusion Detection Techniques and Open Source Intrusion Detection (IDS) Tools]	[08:52]
RagnarDanneskjol	[http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/10/14/dirty-tuesday-chinese-shipping-apocalypse/	[08:53]
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mircea_popescu	Should have more than 1 hive << generally about 60 to a hundred or two is what people keep	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aha	[09:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they decided to "stop criminality" << not exactly. one set of criminals profits from every single penny of cc theft (bank) while another set (the sp4mz0r) gets to be made example of.	[09:13]
asciilifeform	princeling - sins, whipping boy - grunts.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[09:14]
asciilifeform	!s chargeback	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	i don't think a princeling exists sharp enough to do any of this.,	[09:14]
assbot	40 results for 'chargeback' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chargeback	[09:14]
asciilifeform	mr t called this 'skin in the game lemma' or sumthinglikethat	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	nah, it mostly feeds non-nato powers.	[09:16]
asciilifeform	chargebacks.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	well, exactly how the loss is distributed inside the system is a diff story.	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	fact remains, cc nonsense mostly bleeds cash out of the nato structure.	[09:17]
asciilifeform	ru sp4mz0r steals cc #, charges 10k usd. on, e.g., 'amazon'; chumper reads his bill, complains, bank magically vacuums 10k+C (positive constant C, chargeback penalty) from 'amazon', plasma tv is nowhere to be found (drop house, magicked away)	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[09:18]
asciilifeform	this is permitted to exist in precisely this form - for a reason. this is bezzlatron's way of making folks who don't want $consumercrud - buy it whether want or not.	[09:18]
asciilifeform	'so you won't buy plasmatron for yourself, voluntarily, ok. you'll buy it for this derp.'	[09:19]
asciilifeform	at 40% interest.	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	sure, but that	[09:20]
asciilifeform	then go 'prove you're not a camel'	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	's besides the point	[09:20]
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mircea_popescu	!up Maryjane	[09:21]
-assbot-	You voiced Maryjane for 30 minutes.	[09:21]
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Maryjane	hi :)	[09:23]
asciilifeform	orcs pilfering the wealth of men is a thermodynamic inevitability - like waterfalls. but there's a clever bugger drinking the waterfall, to run with the metaphor.	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform all i can see from where im sitting is a closed system that constantly loses mass to the outside.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	its fate is quite clear, thermodynamically.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	it's not even "cash" properly that the enemy keeps taking out. it's straight value.	[09:26]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[17:03]
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mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[17:04]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[17:04]
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mircea_popescu	orly ?!	[17:04]
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Apocalyptic	mircea, and so is trilema	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	except not.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	i think the updown thing managed to get itself ip banned	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic pm me your ip too	[17:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://pastebin.com/D4j4Qv5S	[17:06]
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RagnarDanneskjol	confirmed - atc pool is down now	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	%d	[17:12]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 328680.54 in 40 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.50	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	onoes!!1	[17:12]
Apocalyptic	so close	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	what if it never makes it, you know ?	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	be like... oooooooooo	[17:13]
kakobrekla	sup	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	so basically now we have a spammer trying to claim this is all trolls everywhere else while pming everyone every week PLUS a script kiddie trying to claim we suck while pming everyone every week.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	there's also a camwhore from india that comes by periodically, but at least she has tits	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	clearly, we're doing things wrong.	[17:16]
RagnarDanneskjol	lol	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess, let's see, what else is there...	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	next we'll have a patent troll right ? that's the one thing missing.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	maybe some concern trolling, tho that's kinda weaksauce-y	[17:17]
PeterL	you want them to not come around, or just not be able to get in when they get here?	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	no no, i'm fine as is	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	was in no sense a complaint.	[17:18]
PeterL	do you think the voicing model is succeeding at keeping cruft out?	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	i think it's definitely succeeding at making it clear to the wanna-bes that they're wanna-bes, and that we're the stars, and what cocks to suck	[17:19]
Namworld	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/fashion/how-apples-siri-became-one-autistic-boys-bff.html?_r=0	[17:19]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times	[17:19]
Namworld	TL;DR Siri helps autistic buy to learn to speak correctly by talking with him and providing data about his obsessions.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	the wringing and derpage is unavoidable, but they'll get in line alright.	[17:19]
Namworld	autistic boy*	[17:19]
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nubbins`	maybe it's that guy who lost 10btc at bitbet ;p	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	yeah, because if that guy could like, do things, he'd have waited for a year.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	what, he flipped burgers for the summer to save enough money to put a 10 bux downpayment on a derpy 5k botnet ?	[17:22]
Namworld	I'd consider myself a wanna-be myself more than anything else...	[17:22]
Adlai	the worst are the wanna-wannas, who don't even know what they wanna-be	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	well, at a certain age it's just the usual stuff. access to resources, respect of peers, etc.	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic try now.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	and anyone know the ip of that isitdown service ?	[17:25]
Adlai	http://isup.me	[17:26]
assbot	Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?	[17:26]
Adlai	http://isup.me/qntra.net	[17:26]
assbot	Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	yeah but what's its ip	[17:26]
Adlai	oh	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	clearly it managed to get itself banned	[17:27]
Adlai	looks like 50.97.161.229	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[17:28]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	;;isup trilema.com	[17:28]
gribble	trilema.com is up	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	thanks Adlai	[17:28]
kakobrekla	i think im banned again by both	[17:28]
Adlai	np	[17:28]
Apocalyptic	mircea, ty	[17:28]
kakobrekla	;;isup bitbet.us	[17:28]
gribble	bitbet.us is down	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	anyone else ?	[17:29]
punkman	bitbet kinda slow, saw a couple 502 errors	[17:29]
punkman	everything else seems ok	[17:29]
kakobrekla	yes bb is being nuked	[17:29]
kakobrekla	top - 16:27:39 up 315 days, 12:11, 1 user, load average: 76.39, 72.95, 49.48	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla unbanned nao.	[17:31]
kakobrekla	ty	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	what about banned humans not in this chan?	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	they have to wait for storm to finish?	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	well, let's put it this way, if someone was making a shitton of requests right then but isn't in chan there's something seriously off with them.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	time to get in the chan.	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt make shitton	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	i cant see qntra	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	can you see trilema ?	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	hanging...	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	nope	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	myeah. well you can either pm your ip to whitelist or else get a diff one ?	[17:35]
bounce	so how many makes a shitton of requests?	[17:35]
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ThickAsThieves	sure, i wa smore asking in the grand scheme	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	qntra will be IP whitelist only?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	bounce ima prolly revise the list, make it moar permissive.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the entire world is whitelist only, in each and every aspect. there's no getting around this simple fact,	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	...	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	it's ok you can answer me	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no dude, it's open.	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	i dont actually have a problem with a site being whitelist only, but that has its own problems	[17:38]
chetty	I can see trilema from one system but not the other, same ip	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves theory aside, you gonna halp RagnarDanneskjol host the atc proxy by getting him a server ?	[17:38]
bounce	referrer filtering? o_O?	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	first i've heard	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	chetty now that's bizarre	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	bounce neah.	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	atc proxy?	[17:38]
chetty	and no I havent been making a lot of requests :P	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	pool i mean sorry	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	well i could help fund it if that's what you mean	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	but i have no servers	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	weren't you like an ubersuccessful trader last we left you ?	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	nor confidence to provide them	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	get the man a server.	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	what's it cost?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi ?	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	well he can ask me for help if he wants	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not even sure whats going on in this regard	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	ok, maybe i'm completely misreading this, but your strategy seems to be equal parts mixture of waxing poetic over how you have no serious stake in things and waiting for stake to ask you out.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	a) it just did, yo! and b) that's seriously not how it works. you want something, get it.	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	when did i say no?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	well he can ask me for help if he wants << that.	[17:41]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves what, you don't think a whitelist-only news aggregator can make an income? ;p	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	well he can	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno what server, how much or nuthin	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/cum-gestionezi-abordarile-ghid-pentru-cetatencele-de-sex-opus/ << this is a misnomer btw,	[17:42]
bounce	you givin' out VPSes or summat?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it says "guide for citizens of the opposite sex", but it's not. it's universal.	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` isn't that the entire premise of the "secret report" biz ?	[17:42]
nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> ok, maybe i'm completely misreading this <<< maybe 8)	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	first i even heard someone needed help with atc anything	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[17:42]
bounce	!up progressupdate	[17:42]
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nubbins`	it's almost like the guy doesn't wanna dick around configuring a server :D	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` impossibru	[17:43]
ProgressUpdate	thanks bounce. brb, making otc account.	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what's the score yet ?	[17:44]
bounce	that's a start. I suppose you can say hello and stuff after.	[17:44]
nubbins`	man has priorities	[17:44]
nubbins`	wot first, hi later	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	can't argue with that.	[17:44]
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nubbins`	!up fivezerotwo	[17:47]
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nubbins`	tide ya over for now	[17:47]
nubbins`	;;google 502 area code	[17:47]
gribble	502 Area Code 502 - Map, time zone, and phone lookup: ; Area code 502 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Reverse Phone Lookup – Number Directory for 1-502 \| WhitePages:	[17:47]
fivezerotwo	502 as in bad gateway :)	[17:48]
nubbins`	ah :D	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	ive said it before and i'll say it again ftr, if someone wants to get paid to polish ATC wallet, packages, or has plans or needs some resoruces to provide infrastructure, services, or products related to ATC, i'm all ears. Just ask me directly and be reasonable. Note that I am no programmer, no hacker, so resources would be limited to funding/investment, project work, and maybe some	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	visual communication needs	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	it is writeen	[17:49]
nubbins`	writeen	[17:50]
bounce	love the punchline: http://wolfstreet.com/2014/07/21/russian-point-of-view-new-sanctions-wont-impress-putin/	[17:50]
assbot	Russian View: Why Putin Is Not Impressed \| Wolf Street	[17:50]
fivezerotwo	;;verify http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=brhE7zDk	[17:52]
gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve clearsigned data. Check your url.	[17:52]
nubbins`	;;bg	[17:53]
gribble	Error: "bg" is not a valid command.	[17:53]
nubbins`	wat	[17:53]
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nubbins`	;;guide	[17:53]
gribble	Guide to using #bitcoin-otc: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc	[17:53]
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fivezerotwo	;;ident fivezerotwo	[17:55]
gribble	Nick 'fivezerotwo', with hostmask 'fivezerotwo!~ProgressU@162.253.131.18', is identified as user 'fivezerotwo', with GPG key id D999E6FB8830F6F7, key fingerprint D77774FF9166856C68E656D0D999E6FB8830F6F7, and bitcoin address None	[17:55]
fivezerotwo	kkk	[17:55]
thestringpuller	okkk?	[17:55]
thestringpuller	is devthedev trying to make his own qntra?	[17:55]
fivezerotwo	thestringpuller, not like he's going to get anything with coinbr fees	[17:55]
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fivezerotwo	so. duh.	[17:55]
nubbins`	fivezerotwo HI	[17:56]
fivezerotwo	hello	[17:56]
nubbins`	welcome	[17:56]
nubbins`	what do you do?	[17:56]
thestringpuller	"My team's goal is to provide the utmost quality publications and commentary regarding CryptoCurrencies. We came up with the idea to launch CryptoDeck because many other news sources focus solely on the generation of ad revenue and could care less what they're advertising, ultimately leading to low quality news."	[17:56]
fivezerotwo	I ddos sites like bitbet.us	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	how much to hire you to do it back to whomever hired you?	[17:57]
bounce	so they can care less. hm. and you can't? oh dear.	[17:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00073885 = 15.1464 BTC [+]	[17:57]
fivezerotwo	a high figure that you won't pay	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	;;rate fivezerotwo 1 kinda derpy kid with a kinda derpy botnet.	[17:57]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fivezerotwo has been recorded.	[17:57]
nubbins`	fivezerotwo cool!	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	i'm asking outta curiosity mostly	[17:58]
thestringpuller	how much are they paying you?	[17:58]
fivezerotwo	;;isup cryptodeck.com	[17:58]
gribble	cryptodeck.com is down	[17:58]
fivezerotwo	have this on us :)	[17:58]
nubbins`	fivezerotwo how long you been ddosing sites?	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	dont know much about rates for your kinda service	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i can explain to you how to make "his kind of service" in about ten minutes. provited you've not read the logs to put it together yourself.	[17:58]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah i'm just interested in some of the market aspects	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	what, you serious nubsy ?	[17:59]
nubbins`	nah	[17:59]
nubbins`	never	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	is devthedev trying to make his own qntra? << no idea ?	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	whats a cryptodeck.com?	[17:59]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, these attacks are sorta "what can you do with $10" experiment	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi omfg i feel old now	[17:59]
nubbins`	i thought pankkake was trying to make his own qntra	[18:00]
*	nubbins` chickles	[18:00]
nubbins`	^ similar to chuckling	[18:00]
fivezerotwo	ThickAsThieves, shitty news site with shitty articles that is now down	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo figures.	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	cool	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	cazalla did the dev kid ever send you a submission ?	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	can you take down coindesk?	[18:00]
thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jjqjr/cryptodeck_has_now_launched/ << from our friend devthedev	[18:00]
assbot	CryptoDeck has now Launched! : Bitcoin	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	and maxkeiser?	[18:00]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust devthedev	[18:00]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=devthedev \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev \| Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	and bitcointalk	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	such dictatorship	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	at least it'd have good logos...	[18:01]
nubbins`	but if bitcointalk goes down where am i gonna sell my cas coins?	[18:01]
fivezerotwo	remain assured that after i've maxed out the limits of this tiny $10 vps, i'll be actually attacking qntra.net / trilema.com / et al, for realz.	[18:01]
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ThickAsThieves	interesting	[18:01]
nubbins`	fivezerotwo sweet, feel free to pop in with updates	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:01]
nubbins`	can't go wrong with a bit of excitement	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	buy some bitcoin, it'll do more for you.	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	it really wou;d be sweet to have you write a qntra posty	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	post*	[18:01]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu maybe he gets paid in btc?	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	i suspect he's not being paid at all	[18:02]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, i have plenty of btc, and we have plenty of btc.	[18:02]
nubbins`	fivezerotwo you interested in writing an article about your motivations and techniques?	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	and he is the offended party	[18:02]
nubbins`	o o o	[18:02]
fivezerotwo	i'd sign you from an address with 1k btc if you'd pay me for mixer fees.	[18:02]
nubbins`	offended!	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well, so can obama.	[18:02]
nubbins`	obummer	[18:02]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves offended at what?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	not that hard to borrow a little these days. as part of all that "bitcoin wil never function as a world currency" etc.	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	seeing how much btc you have doesnt really get anyo9ne anywhere	[18:02]
nubbins`	the continuous lels we all share together?	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` YES!	[18:03]
nubbins`	oh wow	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	i assume offended, cuz this seems like spite	[18:03]
thestringpuller	fivezerotwo: I know who you work for ;)	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	nothing to gain from taking down mp web presence	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller what did she do last summer ?	[18:03]
nubbins`	could be boredom	[18:03]
fivezerotwo	nubbins`, maybe ;; mircea_popescu i think you'll find someone who can borrow 1k btc in the span of a hour to be similar	[18:03]
nubbins`	there's only so much news a man can read in the run of a day	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	how much btc to get you to tell us what the problem is?	[18:04]
nubbins`	i mean, in the long run, i don't think any of us give any particular fucks about the whole situation aside from the spectacle	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	yeah, i can still get my news from coindesk and reddit	[18:05]
nubbins`	HEH	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[18:05]
nubbins`	or, y'know, from the bloggers that feed qntra ;p	[18:05]
nubbins`	i found /r/bitcoinserious yesterday	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	oh he's after them too tho	[18:05]
nubbins`	oh, k.	[18:05]
nubbins`	it's not updated as frequently, but they disallow memes and price discussion	[18:06]
bounce	http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/10/17/2226200/the-one-app-you-need-on-your-resume-if-you-want-a-job-at-google ``The sexy job in the next ten years will be statisticians.'' -- given that it's gotten more often wrong than right... this is going to be a bit of a ride.	[18:06]
assbot	The One App You Need On Your Resume If You Want a Job At Google - Slashdot	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	9: bank.kensavage.com << holy shit, the stuff that's in my logs!!1	[18:06]
kakobrekla	;;isup bitbet.us	[18:06]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[18:06]
nubbins`	keeping an eye on it for a bit to see if it's worth reading	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo << to work!	[18:06]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, oi, moved it to cryptodeck.com	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so basically like here, except without all the advantages ?	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	omg whyyyyy	[18:06]
fivezerotwo	back to bitbet it us	[18:07]
fivezerotwo	;;isup bitbet.us	[18:07]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	such a cocktease already	[18:07]
fivezerotwo	;;isup bitbet.us	[18:07]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i'd liken it to reading the logs, but less pithy	[18:07]
gribble	bitbet.us is down	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	you ddosing gribble now ?	[18:07]
fivezerotwo	how will otc survive without gribble!	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	what is sort numeric again, -n ?	[18:07]
nubbins`	altgribble, i guess :(	[18:07]
nubbins`	brb jazz cig	[18:08]
thestringpuller	what is a jazz cig?	[18:08]
thestringpuller	is that when you smoke a cig like a jazz musician?	[18:08]
PeterL	jazz cig is weed ;)	[18:09]
thestringpuller	Hey that's a good term!	[18:09]
thestringpuller	oh no bitbet is down!	[18:10]
thestringpuller	;;isup bitbet.us	[18:10]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[18:10]
fivezerotwo	lmao	[18:10]
fivezerotwo	cryptodeck is still trying to recover from the attack that ended 5 minutes ago https://cryptodeck.com/	[18:10]
mats_cd03	hue hue	[18:11]
fivezerotwo	;;later tell devthedev your server sucks, and you're bad at writing. and why are you trying to proxy apache with nginx or something?!	[18:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:12]
mats_cd03	fresh drama today	[18:12]
mats_cd03	n an active script kiddy in the wot	[18:12]
mats_cd03	hallo thrrr	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 this one admits it, there's plenty otherwise.	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo how long have you been reading the logs anyway ?	[18:14]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, years	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	i guess im updating the "six months" thing.	[18:15]
fivezerotwo	haha	[18:15]
ben_vulpes	how can one tell how long a party'd been reading the logs?	[18:17]
ben_vulpes	is the variety speak not an adequate filter anymore?	[18:17]
PeterL	noobs sound nooby	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes well he speaks that well enough.	[18:18]
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thestringpuller	!up fivezerotwo	[18:19]
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fivezerotwo	!up	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo you need to pm it to assbot	[18:19]
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fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, ah ty	[18:20]
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ThickAsThieves	nice swap bid 30d 0.2%/d 396,026.71	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	<+fivezerotwo> mircea_popescu, ah ty /// such a polite attacker	[18:22]
kakobrekla	maybe he has liabilities too	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	lol and so the myth of the gentleman ddoser was born	[18:23]
fivezerotwo	;; later tell devthedev you suck. 26 Fernon Lane Palm Coast FL 32137	[18:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	now and again sysadmins would find a red rose in teh cable tangle	[18:23]
kakobrekla	whats next, give 100% of the ddos back if i ddos you with 25% ?	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[18:24]
nubbins`	my sides	[18:24]
ben_vulpes	i'd like my bw back plz	[18:24]
fivezerotwo	lol. you guys aren't going to pay someone to stop ddosing, so i'm not going to bother	[18:24]
punkman	so where does one host a blog that can take some abuse and won't cost $2k a month?	[18:24]
fivezerotwo	punkman, maybe wordpress.com	[18:24]
nubbins`	red rose in teh cable tangle << !	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we will pay, but'd probly require more than just stopping	[18:24]
fivezerotwo	oh no, we'd kill it with layer 7	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	bs wordpress.com	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	let us centralize all the things!11	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	requirement would be turncoat	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	lol tat wants an army	[18:25]
fivezerotwo	heh	[18:25]
nubbins`	lel	[18:26]
nubbins`	yeah, let's all huck in on a ddos, guys	[18:26]
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nubbins`	WHERE DO I SEND MY COINS	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	wait guise. the price is backed by lulz and drama right ? BUT THIS MEANS...	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[18:26]
*	ben_vulpes scrambles for coins	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	shiiit	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[18:26]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 393.89, Best ask: 394.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.67000, Last trade: 393.89, 24 hour volume: 7886.58498704, 24 hour low: 375.65, 24 hour high: 395.0, 24 hour vwap: 382.444409536	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	y'see	[18:26]
mats_cd03	i left my coins in my other pants	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 can you at least sign with them ?	[18:27]
chetty	whats this now, an arcade game?	[18:27]
mats_cd03	yes	[18:27]
ben_vulpes	btc is ultimate arcade game	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	also with side scroller	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	except upside down	[18:28]
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ben_vulpes	and its actually scrolling into a dimension you can't really percieve correctly	[18:29]
nubbins`	A+++++++ sure plays a mean pinball would do business with again	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo so what do you do for a living anyway ?	[18:29]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes 4th spatial!	[18:29]
nubbins`	press x/y/z to swap it for the appropriate axis	[18:29]
ben_vulpes	there was a vaporware around this, right?	[18:29]
bounce	random x/y/z/t swaps?	[18:29]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes i remember some video game demo	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes one ? infinity.	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	t/u/v/w, but w/e	[18:30]
nubbins`	http://miegakure.com/	[18:30]
assbot	Miegakure: A 4D puzzle-platforming game.	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: this game is impossible.	[18:30]
nubbins`	made my brain feel weird	[18:30]
bounce	y/m/c/k	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	"i can't quit you"	[18:30]
nubbins`	bounce +1	[18:30]
nubbins`	incidencally, YMCK is what it should be fuckin called	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	COLORS ARE NOT DIMENSIONS	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	buncha acid fiends	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	kek	[18:30]
nubbins`	!b 3	[18:31]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S4P066.txt )	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	it's just an arbitrary set of letters representing stuff...man	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	nubbins`: that's the one.	[18:31]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, too personal. i'll let you know that a significant amount of things I do is dox/ddos/hack (generally in that order)	[18:31]
bounce	well, if going north goes black, you know who's been playing with the letters, eh	[18:31]
kakobrekla	dox?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	yeah i was thinking. wut ?	[18:32]
nubbins`	lel	[18:33]
nubbins`	i hope i don't get doxed	[18:33]
punkman	;;seen pentester	[18:33]
gribble	I have not seen pentester.	[18:33]
fivezerotwo	hah. well, talking about dox more broadly. like mapping the target from all areas.	[18:34]
mats_cd03	11:21:02 <+fivezerotwo> ;; later tell devthedev you suck. 26 Fernon Lane Palm Coast FL 32137 << trying hard to impress #b-a	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	is this dox thing like, going on violentacres and saying "listen mike, i know where yo ulive" ?	[18:34]
mats_cd03	dis turncoat thing won't b hard after all	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	well, if we had a coat, that is.	[18:35]
fivezerotwo	mats_cd03, more like archiving it as i'm sure log.bitcoin-assets won't remove it	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	it's not that reliable, it's lost lines before	[18:35]
ben_vulpes	http://m.gpo.gov/plumbook/ << this is a pretty good example of how the ussa builds software.	[18:36]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, more like "here's everything this guy does and have done, oh here's their gmail password"	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes kinda why i linked it :)	[18:36]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: different link	[18:36]
nubbins`	somebody said there would be free coats?	[18:36]
bounce	.oO( ``army protection racket'' )	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes o i c. right you are, nm. :p	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo kinda lulzy, that. all the "anyonymous" derpage is getting on my nerves.	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	lol at your link and 'software' that's a decent joke albeit accidental	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	:)	[18:38]
fivezerotwo	but i haven't even got my LOIC out and getting 15 year old teenage girls to suicide on tumblr	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	fivezerotwo: that's a waste of resources, dood	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	hey, someone got the patience to hussle 15yos, more power to em.	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	you could have them making human pyramids instead	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	not the hassling, the suiciding	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, how did the "Dead babies" trope get to be such a big deal ?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	dead teenagers seems more apt.	[18:40]
ben_vulpes	if you're going for max shock, dead niggers.	[18:40]
ben_vulpes	dead feminists.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	dead really hot black teenagers	[18:40]
ben_vulpes	dead $SACRED_COW	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	this is fucking rare anyway, i'd weep for the loss.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2006/12/sure-shes-gained-popularity-but-is-it-really-worth-being-snarky-like-violent-acres/ << decade old lolz.	[18:41]
assbot	Sure, she’s gained popularity, but is it really worth being snarky like Violent Acres? \| :Ben Metcalfe Blog	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	"sure, life is good, but is it WORTH BEING MEAN!?!?!?!?!"	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	fucktards.	[18:41]
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ben_vulpes	being mean is the point of life.	[18:43]
bounce	why, yes, yes, it is totally worth being mean... if you're after drama for popularity.	[18:43]
bounce	then again, not everyone relishes in drama.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	how about not giving a shit about spurious and extraneous categories idiots use to classify the world	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	in their doomed but hopeless quest to make it feel ok ?	[18:45]
bounce	that too can yield fine drama	[18:45]
ben_vulpes	undata: a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed <<< which fails to explain why the us govt is not taking better care of staying out of our way. << "smart"	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	ah yes.	[18:46]
ben_vulpes	what's the background on "scientologists raped the usg in the 70s" claim?	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	"Applying Growth Hacking to a Book (and to getting ahead) October 14, 2014 — 4 Comments I just put up a 5,000 word breakdown of the campaign for Growth Hacker Marketing for the New York Observer. " << dude these people...	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	they hacked the growthboxen	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	;;google scientology infiltrated the usg stole fbi irs and other secret paperwork	[18:50]
gribble	Serpo « Reality Uncovered: ; BUNKER SPECIAL: David Touretzky on L. Ron Hubbard, Mark - The ...:	[18:50]
Adlai	they could've done things so much more interesting while they were in there	[18:50]
Adlai	instead they were just all "hurr durr let's read about ourselves because we're most important"	[18:51]
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mircea_popescu	Adlai which dovetails neatly in the hitler, kennedy and herr braun discussion yest.	[18:51]
ben_vulpes	neat stuff.	[18:51]
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*	asciilifeform as usual slept through choicest lulz	[19:00]
asciilifeform	and here's one more.	[19:01]
asciilifeform	http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/10/17/executive-order-improving-security-consumer-financial-transactions	[19:01]
assbot	Executive Order --Improving the Security of Consumer Financial Transactions \| The White House	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	wait.	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.17133181 BTC to 16`307 shares, 7183 satoshi per share	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what the fuck, THIS is executive order matter now ?!	[19:02]
asciilifeform	fuhrers steps in some dogshitte. 'executive order, dogs shall shit in prescribed vessels...'	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.09444684 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 443 satoshi per share	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	dude seriously ?! the land of the free, of the brave ? the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	reduced to this ?!	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	"With this tailwind working for us, Charlie and I hope to build Berkshire’s per-share intrinsic value by constantly improving the basic earning power of our many subsidiaries" truly.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	and this - http://7online.com/health/memorial-for-ebola-victim-held;-obama-opposes-cutting-off-west-africa-/351170	[19:05]
assbot	US can't cut ties with Africa due to Ebola, Obama says \| 7online.com	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	lol because africa is important somehow ?	[19:06]
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ben_vulpes	https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/status/488885766001410048?s=09 << amusing honesty	[19:07]
assbot	68% of Americans think elections are rigged. http://t.co/duqMRiV8x9	[19:07]
bounce	we've seen that before. "because colonialism"	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	but it ended, no ?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	i could see if it was still a colonial empire, "britain can not be cut itself from the diamond in its crown"	[19:07]
bounce	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2014#869130	[19:08]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2014 01:09:30; xanthyos: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/cnn-panelist-we-cant-cut-flights-to-liberia-over-ebola-because-of-slavery/ << political correctness will be the end of us all. an avoidable plague will soon be upon us because of bureaucracy and cowardice	[19:08]
asciilifeform	not bureaucracy, not cowardice. deliberate.	[19:08]
ben_vulpes	the secret fuhrer again?	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	nobody is this amusing deliberately, sorry.	[19:09]
asciilifeform	well, the cowardice of the praetorian guard, who presumably think they'll all be assigned choice bunks in the mountain bunkers.	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	what is this, carlin the president ?	[19:09]
asciilifeform	well, he did appoint a lawyer/lobbyist to head the new dept. of obola.	[19:13]
asciilifeform	so clearly we are intended to laugh. while bleeding from various pores.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	basically americans will be like women, except all over ?	[19:14]
asciilifeform	that'd be interesting. if someone, pulls, like rabbit out of hat, a 'cure' that resembles the aids one	[19:14]
asciilifeform	stabilizes victim into a state similar to this.	[19:14]
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asciilifeform	whether or not nero actually fiddled while rome burned - here we have an entire symphonic orchestra.	[19:16]
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asciilifeform	!up fivezerotwo	[19:25]
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fivezerotwo	oh, i was de-voiced as I got a cloak	[19:25]
fivezerotwo	ty	[19:26]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: pray tell, why is scarcely anyone writing crapware worth reading (polymorphers, proper exe infectors, p2p c&c mechanism, etc.) ?	[19:26]
asciilifeform	used to be - so many educated folks at work	[19:27]
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fivezerotwo	the ones that are decent don't get popular	[19:27]
asciilifeform	well, aren't distributed as spam payloads, yes	[19:27]
asciilifeform	but one would imagine an infector would turn 'popular'	[19:28]
ben_vulpes	undata not just. houses too, if you build brick walls on concrete pillars... wtf is going to burn ? << http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/CEB_Press	[19:28]
assbot	CEB Press - Open Source Ecology	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	the ones that are decent don't get popular << no, im sure he has it. they're "not user friendly"	[19:28]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: or did you mean to say that they don't become popular in the sense of being imitated ?	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	not in the way batch file wrapped putty is.	[19:28]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, heh, very much	[19:28]
fivezerotwo	asciilifeform, mircea_popescu said it better. not user friendly	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes "Sorry This video does not exist." but thank you for your contribution :D	[19:29]
fivezerotwo	you don't design a gui when a CLI interface will do better.	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: try w js?	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	http://vimeo.com/49864277	[19:30]
assbot	The CEB Story 2012. on Vimeo	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	noty. im sure you can make sand fucking burn, at the cost of ten thousand bezzlars a gram of burnt sand	[19:30]
asciilifeform	theremite is cheap.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	but i've also set places on fire, and the repairs consist of repainting the walls.	[19:30]
ben_vulpes	no no no, wrong takeaway	[19:30]
ben_vulpes	guy's built and published the plans for a compressed-earth brick maker	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	isn't that a stupid use of topsoil ?!	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	i mean, you make bricks out of clay rather than cernosiom for a reason	[19:31]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: why not take the time to grow your 5k into 500k with an improved virulent payload?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	(reason being, you can't plant trees in clay)	[19:31]
ben_vulpes	gotta dig the clay out and make the bricks	[19:32]
fivezerotwo	asciilifeform, there's also a bit of brain drain with the more clever ones choosing to work with a vendor instead	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	^	[19:32]
ben_vulpes	i think the thing is pretty ambivalent to input media	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	the clever ones find better lines of work than ddosing noobs.	[19:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: phun phact. when i came to usa, though 'what desolate martian land is this' upon finding earth to be red instead of чернозем.	[19:32]
asciilifeform	*thought	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform some parts of the us are shitty like that.	[19:32]
ben_vulpes	anyone giving me even money on undata being a chick ? << i'll take it	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	not all tho.	[19:32]
fivezerotwo	meanwhile the dumbest ones get hired at intelligence agencies developing state sponsored malware	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes you're late :D	[19:33]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: yes	[19:33]
fivezerotwo	see: flame. 20MB, lolwhat	[19:33]
ben_vulpes	i know	[19:33]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: what a waste of perfectly good 0day!	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo but dude! the bandwidths keep expanding 50% a year! by 2024 it'll be fine!	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	gotta invest in the future!	[19:33]
chetty	whether or not nero actually fiddled while rome burned - here we have an entire symphonic orchestra.//+++++	[19:33]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: though these folks aren't necessarily clinically stupid, any more than microshit employees are. just managed by the 'differently abled' with particular objectives that don't include elegance.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	it's really not that symphonic	[19:34]
bounce	such appreciation of the fine arts in here today	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	more like an entire cacophonic orchestra.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	arse tubas.	[19:34]
fivezerotwo	it's like all the bad phishing emails with bad spelings and incorrect grammer. two reasons	[19:34]
bounce	you're just tone deaf	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha zing	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo that's in the logs.	[19:34]
fivezerotwo	1) people who can write convincing emails don't write phishing emails	[19:34]
fivezerotwo	2) people who'll fall for phishing scams will fall for it anyway with obvious typos	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	nah, it's a selection mechanism.	[19:35]
asciilifeform	no one suggested, so i will - the mutilated words are convincing precisely because mutilated. target is - clinical imbeciles.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	!s spam typo	[19:35]
assbot	0 results for 'spam typo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spam+typo	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	hm what was it ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	!s spam misspelled	[19:35]
assbot	2 results for 'spam misspelled' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spam+misspelled	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	there we go	[19:35]
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fivezerotwo	heh.	[19:36]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: other thing is, the gov-sponsored crapware doesn't really need to spread. installed by a bribed/threatened/turned man inside the enemy target. so no need to 'keep a slender figure.'	[19:36]
asciilifeform	spreading is in most cases a minus there. a human being might turn it up and publish reversing, sooner than author would like.	[19:37]
fivezerotwo	asciilifeform, that's true, but it shows that it's a product of brute force instead of talent.	[19:38]
mats_cd03	rofl	[19:38]
asciilifeform	fivezerotwo: brute force << yes, it is. i've met folks who have toiled in the fuzz farms.	[19:38]
fivezerotwo	oh yes, fuzzing is quite different	[19:38]
mats_cd03	l0l	[19:38]
asciilifeform	usg employs enormous numbers of these wretches. usually through subcontractors.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	Fuzz & Fur Farm, LLC is an alpaca farm located in Fort Wayne	[19:39]
asciilifeform	lol!	[19:39]
ben_vulpes	worst part of ddos is noise in assets logs.	[19:39]
ben_vulpes	and y'all complain of tib and mor.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes gotta keep the logs user-friendly.	[19:39]
ben_vulpes	best response to ddos is to...not notice.	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	ah funny ddos story	[19:40]
fivezerotwo	kakobrekla, not bad mitigating (if that was you)	[19:40]
fivezerotwo	here's round 2.	[19:40]
fivezerotwo	;;isup bitbet.us	[19:40]
gribble	bitbet.us is down	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	client recently pushed a change to their frontend app that changed the rate at which the js called the backend	[19:41]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: what did you pay this fine fellow for the heat test?	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	with no safety checks or timeouts or anything	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	oh, involuntary self-ddos is best ddos	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	cascaded into a whole-site-takedown	[19:41]
fivezerotwo	ben_vulpes, national bank?	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	i asked nicely for a staging environment so that we could keep working when they do this in the future	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	fivezerotwo: now why would you think that?	[19:42]
fivezerotwo	well, something very similar happened to one. their "IDS" ended up dropping everyone that signed in.	[19:42]
mats_cd03	in other news, windows internals 7th edition is available for preorder	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	"hey you live in new york? cool! do you know this other random guy i met one time?"	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	"no."	[19:43]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03: what's new in 7th?	[19:43]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform nothing, maybe someone else i taking the bill.	[19:43]
kakobrekla	is*	[19:43]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: you must remember to thank him when he's done.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he's got a +1, what more.	[19:44]
mats_cd03	windows 8.1 coverage, i think.	[19:44]
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asciilifeform	mats_cd03: ah yes, the winblows which no one runs.	[19:44]
fivezerotwo	kakobrekla, ya. ;; i'm off now, later.	[19:44]
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mats_cd03	fry cook shift comin up?	[19:45]
kakobrekla	lol	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	oh b-a Y U SO MEAN	[19:45]
mats_cd03	im sorry, dont ddos me bro	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	feelsgood.png	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i mean noisy or not shit's pretty lulzy.	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	subjective	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	i prefer ancient history	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	"kistmet", etc.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	kismet ?	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	maybe the problem here is that i don't spend nearly eno0ugh time with teenaged/young adult males. so to me all sort of shit's funny that most everyone else has had it with up to here	[19:49]
bounce	so go teach at the local highschool?	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	i am, except it's a private institution	[19:50]
ben_vulpes	ya, typo.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	and it includes corporal punishment	[19:50]
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bounce	but no males	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	myeah. male kids seem naturally inclined to convince themselves that the stick's to be avoided.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	girls have more sense.	[19:52]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu surrounded by angst	[19:58]
thestringpuller	that would be a good premise for a tv show or somethin	[19:58]
thestringpuller	surrounded by angsty teens**	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	i don't think any sort of mp reality show can be on tv	[19:59]
thestringpuller	i imagine it'd be like bender's show	[19:59]
thestringpuller	bender should not be allowed on television!	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how that goes	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	;;isup bitbet.us	[20:04]
gribble	bitbet.us is up	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	wait, wasn't this supposed to be down ?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	what bs service is this scam ddos.	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/ << so meanwhile apparently THIS happened	[20:17]
assbot	I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell (2009) - IMDb	[20:17]
danielpbarron	i read his books	[20:18]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: he's just aiming for qntra and trilema	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron anythng good ?	[20:20]
danielpbarron	yeh, there are some pretty hilarious stories in them	[20:20]
danielpbarron	http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/tucker-goes-to-campout-owns-duke-nerds/	[20:21]
assbot	Tucker Goes to Campout, Owns Duke Nerds « TuckerMax.com	[20:21]
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danielpbarron	"HAHAHAHAHAH! Did you just quote a German philosopher at me? You’re standing in mud and piss at 2am, and you just quoted a German philosopher at me?"	[20:22]
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thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net	[20:25]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[20:25]
thestringpuller	stop lying to me	[20:25]
thestringpuller	%tslb	[20:28]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#46329): 1 hour(s), 21 minutes	[20:28]
BingoBoingo	;;isup trilema.com	[20:29]
gribble	trilema.com is up	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	what, srsly ? don't see em ?	[20:30]
thestringpuller	am I ipbanned again?	[20:30]
*	mircea_popescu looks	[20:30]
danielpbarron	i suspect the ddos drama is funded by someone in here, for the purpose of making this channel look more important; not strongly enough to bet on it though	[20:31]
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mircea_popescu	totally my bad thestringpuller BingoBoingo	[20:31]
BingoBoingo	Shit happens.	[20:31]
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mircea_popescu	sysadmin warned me about amateur sysadmining, but hey, it looked like too much fun.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, you ever had to do a highly qualified job while the boss' teenage kid sits right behind you going o let me drive the plane let me let me!!1	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	because that's kinda how this went, with me being my own teenaged son. total mindfuck on the poor professionals involved.	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	prolly	[20:33]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron you know "attax" failed when people start suspecting they're self inflicted based on the end result.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	but i tell you, it's just the kiss of good management that makes things look that way.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	!up opusorange	[20:35]
-assbot-	You voiced opusorange for 30 minutes.	[20:35]
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danielpbarron	well it makes for an entertaining read either way	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	I had a chance to hear Tucker Max talk about the movie at a screening and he seemed quite confident that it would surpass Wedding Crashers as the highest grossing comedy of all time. After seeing the movie, it became quite clear that he was completely delusional.	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	This movie was absolutely hysterical. Remember when Alan accidentally gave his friends roofies thinking it was Ecstasy…oh Sorry about that, I was accidentally reviewing "The Hangover," which is what "I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell" is without the funny, wit, good writing, and personality. I want to do a compliment sandwich with this movie, but the reality is that I cannot give any because there's none to give. So I'l	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	l just get into it: This movie is bad. Not offensive bad. Let me repeat: NOT OFFENSIVE BAD. Bad bad. This is the Battlestar Gallactica of comedy. The plot is hackneyed and worn out and executed poorly. The characters are so boring and mundane. There's no character development. There are attempts at it, but it falls flatter than William Hung's face. Remember that William Hung reference folks, because it's as obscure and	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	obsolete as the jokes in the movie.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	dude this sounds like the worst movie ever. i'm watching it.	[20:47]
thestringpuller	!b 1	[20:48]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/006Z008.txt )	[20:48]
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Adlai	if you like bad movies, you must someday watch The Core	[20:53]
Adlai	http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/core.html	[20:54]
ben_vulpes	oh the core	[20:55]
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asciilifeform	https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pscindx.htm << 'movies' section for memorably bad physics in film	[21:08]
assbot	Science, Pseudoscience, and Irrationalism	[21:08]
asciilifeform	!s steve dutch	[21:08]
assbot	0 results for 'steve dutch' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=steve+dutch	[21:08]
asciilifeform	eh.	[21:08]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: this does read like a KGB playbook (wasp)	[21:13]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: it's an everybody-with-brain playbook	[21:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9727 @ 0.0007382 = 7.1805 BTC [-]	[21:15]
thestringpuller	'makes me wanna be a spy	[21:15]
kakobrekla	to anyone who has any parsers or whatever on bitbet or any b-a service i suggest pming me your ip to get on the whitelist	[21:18]
mike_c	pm kakobrekla add me add me!	[21:19]
kakobrekla	sure	[21:19]
mthreat	kakobrekla: the search.b-a crawler is one	[21:20]
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asciilifeform	thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	just like soviet partisans did (this aspect, naturally, was not emphasized in the children's books.)	[21:26]
thestringpuller	no spoilers!!!!	[21:26]
asciilifeform	this is a spoiler for what, page 3.	[21:26]
thestringpuller	I'm just being silly.	[21:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37519 @ 0.00073928 = 27.737 BTC [+] {2}	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	"Confidence: I was not lacking in confidence beforehand, but add a bullhorn and I became superhuman. It was like having a gun, except better. Walking around with a bullhorn gives all the authority of a gun, without any of the toolishness or danger of it accidentally discharging in your sweatpants. People just assume you’re in charge and defer to you."	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	this shit probably works, in the us of a.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	either a bullhorn or a clip pad thingee	[21:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00074113 = 24.939 BTC [+] {3}	[21:58]
thestringpuller	!t m s.mpoe	[22:00]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073564 / 0.00073862 / 0.00074211 (586720 shares, 433.36 BTC), 7D: 0.00073316 / 0.00073805 / 0.00074368 (8320567 shares, 6,141.07 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.00074402 / 0.00075684 (24347793 shares, 18,115.42 BTC)	[22:00]
thestringpuller	such stability	[22:00]
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thestringpuller	kakobrekla: are logs still down?	[22:12]
kakobrekla	if someone cant open the lawgs ping me	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	check this shit out : www.jstor.org/stable/20008753	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	"Throwing Like a Girl: A Phenomenology off Feminine Body Comportment. Motility and Spatiality*. Iris Marion Young. Department of Philosophy, Miami University."	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	rug muncherz be doing phelosoplee nao!	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Iris_Marion_Young.jpg << author.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	books and teeth, what more could one look for in a woman. spatial motility and whatchagot there.	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	she lived to be 57, apparently becoming a woman doesn't REALLY extend one's life expectancy.	[22:19]
bounce	it was the looks that did her in	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	bitch seriously built a career out of quoting irigaray	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	and her career was "normative review of public policy"	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	ie, telling bureaucrats what they should be shoulding and how they should be shoulding.	[22:22]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu: cazalla did the dev kid ever send you a submission ? <<< a couple but i believe he's moved on	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	aha aite.	[22:36]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yeah I was going to raise that point with you	[22:53]
decimation	the 'wasp' model is more-or-less a pointless suicide mission for a lone wolf	[22:53]
mats_cd03	welfare science...	[22:59]
decimation	mircea_popescu: people like her run the 'ideas' side of usg	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	hardly any ideas there.	[23:02]
decimation	right, which is why the 'triumph' of her generation is obama - who gave us slightly more health-centered welfare	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	from what i see the quality of health services decreased abruptly past decade.	[23:12]
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decimation	http://www.computerworld.com/article/2835288/h-1b-fraud-may-cost-you-your-car-and-gorgeous-contemporary.html	[23:23]
assbot	H-1B fraud may cost you your car and gorgeous contemporary \| Computerworld	[23:23]
decimation	texas gave up actually proving that these guys committed fraud; just took their stuff	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea why they don't just out and confiscate private property.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	they learned nothing from history ? do it in one go.	[23:26]
decimation	do it all at once, rather than one at time you mean?	[23:26]
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mircea_popescu	well yes. even the greeks have this noted down : if you're going to murder, rape, pillage your own polis,	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	do it all in one go then restore order	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	this slow drip one today, one tomorrow thing will get you overturned.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, i guess the greeks "don't understand how the world works"	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	because us libtards do.	[23:28]
decimation	'ah-hocism'. We dug ourselves in a giant hole - let's dig faster.	[23:28]
chetty	i have no idea why they don't just out and confiscate private property.//they do all the time	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean all of it.	[23:30]
chetty	well first off what private property is there?	[23:31]
chetty	anything they can just take whenever doesn't really qualify as private property does it?	[23:32]
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decimation	chetty has a point. at the root of much lib-tardism is the redefinition of concepts against natural law	[23:37]
chetty	a system contrary to natural law will not stand, nothing else is possible.	[23:39]
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BingoBoingo	!up only	[23:43]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: apparently chomsky's linguistcis peers have discovered that he's an idiot http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9381705&fileId=S0022226714000061	[23:46]
assbot	Cambridge Journals Online - Journal of Linguistics - Abstract - A Galilean science of language	[23:46]
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BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0PUHkPIYAIxBKj.png << machines present lies	[23:51]
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cazalla	tempted to bust out an emulator, save state and try each box	[23:58]
decimation	"Second, Ebola is actually a difficult disease to catch. It's not transmitted through the air like the flu. You cannot get it from just riding on a plane or a bus. The only way that a person can contract the disease is by coming into direct contact with the bodily fluids of somebody who is already showing symptoms. I've met and hugged some of the doctors and nurses who've treated Ebola patients. I've met with an Ebola patient	[23:59]
decimation	who recovered, right in the Oval Office. And I'm fine."	[23:59]
decimation	http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/10/18/weekly-address-what-you-need-know-about-ebola	[23:59]
assbot	Weekly Address: What You Need To Know About Ebola \| The White House	[23:59]
decimation	well, then, that puts things to rest	[23:59]
decimation	cazalla: probably would be simpler to reverse-engineer the code	[23:59]

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