Forum logs for 18 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu everything totally gotta be "fun" [00:01]
mircea_popescu “I guess you will have to go to jail. If that is the result of not understanding the Income Tax Law, I will meet you there. We shall have a merry, merry time, for all our friends will be there. It will be an intellectual center, for no one understands the Income Tax Law except persons who have not sufficient intelligence to understand the questions that arise under it.” [00:06]
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mircea_popescu guess the yea. [00:07]
asciilifeform drm glasses << (scroll down to story) [00:07]
assbot Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only ... ( ) [00:07]
mircea_popescu year* [00:07]
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mircea_popescu “The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.” [00:12]
mircea_popescu im well persuaded by this, incidentally. [00:12]
mircea_popescu curious that the "advanced northern europe" isn't coming out with "brevik is pretty much our greatest achievement", [00:13]
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mircea_popescu at least the us has the decency to worship its degenerates. [00:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu reading herr kokkarinen ? [00:14]
mircea_popescu this came off [00:14]
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mircea_popescu “The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.” lol [00:15]
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cazalla you know, with the new pokemon game coming out in a few days time, idea of a bitcoin pokemon market would be great, could even have gpg pokemon contracts [00:16]
mircea_popescu you'll have to explain this like we've never been five [00:16]
mircea_popescu my idea of a pokemon is roughly speaking a beanie baby. what's to gpg there ? [00:17]
cazalla for trading pokemon, you know, so i can point and say hey, you said you would deliver pokemon xyz and you decided to back out at the last minute, don't trade with this guy [00:21]
mircea_popescu oh they're like playing cards ? [00:22]
TheNewDeal pokemon was also a card game back in the day, like Magic. Not sure if he's talking about software game [00:22]
mircea_popescu i suppose someone who knows about trading cards could re-make mtgox. [00:23]
danielpbarron it was a gameboy game first; you could trade via the connection cable [00:23]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, never played pokemon? so you catch them as you would say find an item in an mmorpg, you train em, level em up, you can trade them as you would an item in an mmorpg to other players [00:23]
mircea_popescu aha [00:23]
mircea_popescu no, i never played such a thing. [00:23]
cazalla i doubt there is any demand for it but i would buy a desired pokemon for btc [00:23]
mircea_popescu what pokemon would you buy ?! [00:24]
danielpbarron the rare mewtwo with alt colorz! [00:24]
cazalla a shiny of course [00:24]
cazalla i am partial to the original 150 [00:25]
cazalla i wonder if nintendo capitulated and will allow 2 male pokemon to make a baby pokemon [00:26]
danielpbarron the amount of "work" that goes into finding a shiny would put it in the 1 to 10 BTC range [00:26]
mircea_popescu o.O [00:27]
mircea_popescu all these fucktarded nsa "codewords". it would not surprise me if the central nodes in the administration of all this perpetually overbudget, perpetually mismanaged nonsense are desocialised to the point they can no longer interact with people in a shop or bar or w/e [00:28]
mircea_popescu exactly like star trek ninnies, speaking a wholly unintelligible pigdin and laughing out of the blue for nutty reasons. [00:28]
TheNewDeal like Clockwork Orange? [00:29]
mircea_popescu pressure tube metrogripe toyfucks ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu keycard fashioncleft! [00:29]
danielpbarron like the yale-tards i overheard at louis lunch the other day? like it was their first time interacting with people outside of acedemia? [00:30]
mircea_popescu something like that. [00:30]
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cazalla mebe you nintendo could even use blockchain technology to timestamp when you found a pokemon so no-one can sell you dupes [00:35]
cazalla could call it.. the brockchain [00:36]
punkman NintendoCoin obvs [00:37]
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punkman "The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce it has received a $1,000,000 donation from Jan Koum, CEO and Co-Founder of WhatsApp. This marks the largest single donation to the Foundation since its inception almost 15 years ago" [00:43]
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assbot Blockstream closes $21M seed round | Blockstream ... ( ) [00:51]
punkman gmaxwell's thing [00:52]
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punkman "The reason we were able to attract A-list investors is our group of founders and the promise of blockchain technology." [00:54]
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mats_cd03 what a nice picture [00:56]
asciilifeform blockstream << archetypical shitgnome circus [00:56]
mats_cd03 this is the impression i'm getting, too. [00:58]
asciilifeform funny how one can almost 'smell' these, without any need for detailed study [00:59]
thestringpuller cazalla: a pokemon exchange?!? lol. i think I may be the only one in this channel who plays pokemon. [00:59]
nubbins` no doubt [01:01]
mircea_popescu could call it.. the brockchain <<< lale [01:01]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: blockstream << lol i look at the founders page and of course gmaxwell is on it [01:02]
asciilifeform i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains' [01:02]
nubbins` heh [01:03]
thestringpuller its funny to see who is employing these "core developers" [01:03]
thestringpuller its like "the only thing I can do is work for cash burning start up or suck dick" [01:03]
punkman hey 20 million bezzlars, that's gotta last them at least a year [01:04]
thestringpuller so they run out of money not finding useful stuff to do and ask for more. so does this make all the core developers essentially beggars? [01:05]
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nubbins` a beggar is not one who accepts money but one who begs for it [01:06]
nubbins` asciilifeform re: that book you posted earlier [01:06]
nubbins` they match puffin with "nuffin" [01:06]
nubbins` and leave a blank space in lieu of a picture 8) [01:07]
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mircea_popescu punkbot these deals always depend on how much they actually get. [01:08]
asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes << barf log from one of my runs. [01:09]
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nubbins` downloading blockchain, take three. go! [01:19]
mircea_popescu gl! [01:20]
cazalla [01:20]
assbot CoinVault: Decrypt One File For Free, Send Bitcoin To Decrypt The Rest | ... ( ) [01:20]
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nubbins` thinking about making a pgp infographic-type poster [01:21]
nubbins` gotta find a neat angle on it tho [01:22]
cazalla asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains' <<< why you gotta try oneup my brockchain :( [01:22]
danielpbarron you could stream pokemon trades through ashbot [01:23]
nubbins` haha [01:23]
nubbins` [01:24]
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mircea_popescu actually, someone should make a backup service, exactly identical to tarsnap except it only accepts material gpg-encrypted to your key. [01:51]
thestringpuller what is the speed like on encrypting large files? [01:54]
thestringpuller with gpg* [01:54]
thestringpuller << says GPG encrypts at 115 mb/s on an i7 2.7 ghz [01:55]
mircea_popescu on the current, symetric cypher based process, not bad. to the tune gbps depending on your system specs [01:55]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller note that the question is leading. sure, "aes optimised" hardware may deliver better performance, at an unknown cost to security. [01:57]
thestringpuller i guess maybe that is first test I will run on cardano: get arbritarily large file and find rate at which it decrypts/encrypts [01:58]
thestringpuller serve as good baseline methinks [01:58]
mircea_popescu cardano storage isn't very large. [01:59]
mircea_popescu so timing it won't be trivial. [01:59]
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mircea_popescu “The legacy of Democrats and Republicans approaches: Libertarianism by bankruptcy.” [02:02]
mircea_popescu Nick Nuessle, 1992 [02:02]
mircea_popescu who da fuck is this nick ? he knew it plain two decades prior. [02:02]
mircea_popescu Oh, for an honest Libertarian who would say "Yes, in Libertopia we'd have rampant quackery, organ-seizure, baby-selling, slavery in all but name - BUT THAT'S FREEDOM!" ~Seth Finkelstein [02:07]
mircea_popescu as it happens, i've been saying exactly that. course, the honest libertarian apparently doesn't personally use the terminology of some random polis to describe himself, nor does the random polis readily recognize him, and so... seth's safe. [02:07]
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mircea_popescu “We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ” ~Stephen Schneider, environmental activist, in _Discover_, Oct. '89 [02:11]
mircea_popescu aaand [02:11]
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mircea_popescu “Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.” 1896 ~John Dewey, of the dewey system. [02:11]
mircea_popescu and on that note, gnite all! [02:13]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform undata << there, you inspired me. [12:41]
assbot Between the hammer and the anvil… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [12:41]
BingoBoingo [12:43]
assbot mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX | ... ( ) [12:43]
mircea_popescu lol [12:48]
punkman "I'll be willing to complete the beta as quickly as possible if people want to donate some BTC to me, this way I can show the wife it's more like a job than a hobby. As to the amount, I think 250BTC would be enough to get her off my back" [12:51]
punkman lol [12:51]
punkman [12:54]
assbot Wife acceptance factor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [12:54]
mircea_popescu hahahaah what ? [12:59]
mircea_popescu punkbot tell this man's wife 0.1 BTC and tits already. [13:00]
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mircea_popescu hm. no more notary ? [13:00]
punkman all that uptime, I must make it disconnect more [13:00]
mircea_popescu punkman no i mean, back to being punkbot [13:01]
punkman yeah I mean it'd change back to notary if it disconnects, but otherwise not smart enough yet [13:02]
mircea_popescu ah ah [13:02]
mircea_popescu "It will be as revolutionary as mcxNOW was originally in 2013." << i clearly missed out on yet another biggestfirstbest revolution [13:02]
mircea_popescu what was this thing ? [13:02]
punkman some derpxchange [13:02]
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mircea_popescu o wait, realsolid's latest scam. [13:03]
mircea_popescu i c. [13:03]
mircea_popescu 16 people in #mtMOX heh. [13:04]
BingoBoingo Yes, the Bitcoin to shitcoin thing [13:04]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust Realsolid [13:04]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Realsolid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [13:04]
mircea_popescu we raided! [13:05]
BingoBoingo Yeah, I'll lurk until I see a response [13:05]
mircea_popescu i enjoyed the article lol. [13:06]
* mircea_popescu had no idea how great a qntra will be until qntra was finally made, and now he's like... omfg how did i live before. [13:06]
BingoBoingo Thanks, benefit of having last November's mcxNAO article I wrote to crib off of. [13:07]
mircea_popescu So people are asking what is happening with MicroCash, especially in regards to me. There are 2 problems I ran into in late May. 1) Needing to make some money 2) Lack of motivation [13:07]
mircea_popescu lmao i 1) know! 2) let's make 3) a 4) list. [13:07]
mircea_popescu IT'S FUN! ANYONE CAN DO IT! [13:08]
BingoBoingo To think that the Ad platform was going to come before a place to park an ad platform! [13:08]
mircea_popescu I know people think "one day" SolidCoin/MicroCash will be worth a lot but it's hard to sell that to a wife as I'm sure some of you may be aware! <<< actually, it's difficult to sell that generally. [13:08]
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mircea_popescu 4. CH releases article "Solidcoin Ready For Bitcoin Collapse". [13:10]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha oh the precious. reminds me of all the forum ninnies getting ready for "mp's extradition!11" [13:11]
BingoBoingo << Looky their reaction [13:11]
assbot dpaste: 01TD6GH: #mtmox raid!!! ... ( ) [13:11]
mircea_popescu [13:12]
assbot SolidCoin is ready for Bitcoin collapse ... ( ) [13:12]
mircea_popescu foir the terminally curious. [13:12]
punkman [13:14]
assbot Bitcoin Ninja ... ( ) [13:14]
mircea_popescu #bitcoin-wizards ?! [13:15]
mircea_popescu oh that thing. mkay. [13:15]
punkman Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat. [13:15]
mircea_popescu [13:16]
assbot Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | [o__o] ... ( ) [13:16]
mircea_popescu as far as i can tell, a sort of wanna-be -assets minus the cool stuff. [13:16]
BingoBoingo [13:17]
assbot mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX: Can RealSolid Count to 3? : Bitcoin ... ( ) [13:17]
mircea_popescu "What would government involvement in Bitcoin look like? Well one of their first goals would be to let the project stagnate. The disappearance of the founder "Satoshi" and appointment of Gavin Andresen, someone who has publicly admitted he doesn't want much to change in Bitcoin allows us to see one big reason for stagnation." << from the solidcoin derpage. [13:22]
mircea_popescu clearly, "stagnation" is what the progressive state wants out of things :D [13:22]
BingoBoingo lol [13:22]
mircea_popescu "After developing numerous sites and businesses using Bitcoin, those of us now involved with SolidCoin saw major problems. Massive flaws in interfacing with the Bitcoin network forced us to use numerous work-arounds, using nearly all of our decades long experience as computer scientists." [13:22]
mircea_popescu luckily, he has some of the decades left, it's not all used. [13:23]
mircea_popescu that thing's such a gem, i had forgotten. [13:23]
mircea_popescu "numerous sites and businsesses yo!" [13:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, let the record reflect that yes, there was a point in 2011 when gavin was sane. [13:24]
mircea_popescu "We wondered why nobody fixed the issues and made things easier for the many out there that aren't computer engineers. After some discussion with a few of the developers we came away completely surprised. They thought, and still do, Bitcoin is fine and very little needs to change." [13:24]
mircea_popescu "On top of this the recent release of SolidCoin has highlighted another problem in the Bitcoin protocol. It it susceptible to a drop off in "mining power", which is essentially the people who process transactions switching to more profitable things such as SolidCoin." [13:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon. <<< well, as tal said to pete, "what's my incentive to interact with reality ?" [13:31]
mircea_popescu decimation: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least << nah, Nixon was actually trying to clean house, was pushed out by those who are above the law << what, he gets points for trying ? there's better ways to clean things up than sending spooks to derp in offices. [13:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00078865 = 18.9276 BTC [-] [13:36]
mircea_popescu decimation: "The Brazilification of society can be a samba carnival assuming you approach it the right way, and most importantly, get to live on the pleasant side of the barbed wire fence." <<< this has been exactly my experience to date. [13:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: ^ #b-a search is broken. why am i seeing text that does not contain the literal word 'structuring' ? <<< mthreat's thing has a stemmer. [13:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00078865 = 7.8865 BTC [-] [13:41]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: durian is a weapon of mass destruction <<< you thinking Duriel ? [13:42]
mircea_popescu from [13:43]
assbot Melanie Shapiro's CryptoLabs Launches GSM Enabled Hardware Wallet With Camera | ... ( ) [13:43]
mircea_popescu ""We are the most secure option because we're a piece of dedicated hardware. We use multi-sig authentication. There are three keys and each of those keys is stored in a different location."" [13:44]
mircea_popescu i don't get this braindamage. "we're the most secure option because you don't actually own your keys" ? [13:44]
mircea_popescu decimation: also here's her PhD: "Dr. Melanie Shapiro holds a PhD in Consumer Behavior and specializes in customer acquisition, branding strategy and digital marketing. " <<< ahh this chan delivers. [13:48]
assbot Melanie Shapiro, Ph.D. | SheSquad ... ( ) [13:48]
punkman related: [13:48]
assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 17:17:27; mrjr: los_pantalones: i run LedgerLock, we're working on a product called time-vault, to secure your bitcoins in nlocked transactions rather than protecting the priv key [13:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: dafuq do you know, maybe you need to bridge two pins together with a diode hanging for no reason to make it work <<< this is how i used to solder things! [13:49]
mircea_popescu punkman ever get the impression that everyone's really working on the same thing ? [13:49]
punkman all the time [13:49]
mircea_popescu if they dropped the act and just got together maybe they';d finish it and then we could ignore an actual thing [13:49]
mircea_popescu rather than a lot of peri-blather. [13:49]
mircea_popescu assbot: U.S. Should Quit $100 Bill to Stop N. Korea Counterfeiting <<< yeah, THAT is why they'll quit it lmao [13:52]
mircea_popescu in other news, overweight redditards don't go out of the house for fear of rapists. not as you might imagine, for lack of long enough tanktracks [13:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00078944 = 18.8676 BTC [+] {2} [13:53]
mircea_popescu decimation: I would therefore like to ask all my readers to take a look around them and note everything plastic, and then say a quiet "thank you" to the right-wingers <<< imo that argument fails on pretty much all the angles. [13:54]
mircea_popescu aside the obvious objection that "right wingers" have nothing to do with all this, and aside the spurious conflation of plastics and nuclear power, [13:55]
mircea_popescu on one hand three cents is an insane price to pay for a plastic spoon. those things go for about a bitcoin a ton. so whatever, 500 satoshi each ? [13:55]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, outside some very narrow applicaitons such as i dunno, oversized icecream cones, i don't actually use nor would i want to use a plastic spoon. because what for ? do i need it to eat my campaign flan and i'm too far from an actual table with actual cutlery or something ? [13:56]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, i'm gonna need to see your ID if you intend to purchase plastic knives for use in australia [14:04]
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punkman cazalla, lol [14:04]
mircea_popescu see, it's stupidities of this sort that make me never want to visit places. [14:04]
punkman do they probe your ass if you want to buy a metal knife? [14:05]
mircea_popescu da fuck, pay money to go be somewhere where they want your id for plastic knives ? [14:05]
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cazalla punkman, they'll arrest you for carrying a knife unless you happen to have a fishing rod with you, are a chef.. some "legitimate excuse" for having a knife in other words [14:06]
mircea_popescu what's the crime ? [14:06]
mircea_popescu "possession of man's tools" ? [14:07]
punkman I remember buying bread knife in UK, cashier advised "don't open it before you get home" [14:07]
* mircea_popescu remebers buying machete in costa rica, from roadside shop [14:07]
punkman was impossible to open plastic packaging without second knife anyway [14:07]
cazalla mircea_popescu, knives are a controlled weapon here, self defence is no excuse! in fact, worst excuse one can have [14:08]
mircea_popescu i suppose the 10 buns in a package producer lobby is working as we speak to make the bread knife illegal. [14:09]
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cazalla technically, you can't even carry a screwdriver unless legitimate reason [14:10]
mircea_popescu ... [14:11]
punkman they should ban clothes, could use them to strangle people [14:11]
mircea_popescu cazalla is this in fact just giving the police ample room to hassle obnoxious teenagers ? [14:12]
cazalla prolly, never heard of anyone being arrested for this sort of shit but prob happens from time to time [14:12]
mircea_popescu aha. [14:12]
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punkman [14:13]
assbot Hardfork Wishlist - Bitcoin ... ( ) [14:13]
cazalla i wonder if boomerangs are illegal [14:14]
mircea_popescu becoming ever more relevant. [14:14]
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cazalla you have a new fan BingoBoingo, see your latest article [14:16]
BingoBoingo Lulzy [14:16]
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mircea_popescu here's a good one, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, whoever else can follow the logic : [14:17]
mircea_popescu "Elimination of output scripts: all transactions pay-to-scripthash, probably with a single byte indicating the scripthash type. Other than reducing effective output script secrecy (which is not possible without OP_EVAL anyways) this is believed to be costless, and the secrecy can be recovered with recursive OP_EVAL. The motivation here is that data in outputs is far more expensive than inputs because some outputs may b [14:17]
mircea_popescu e never prunable, and pay-to-scripthash minimizes output size without harming total size." [14:17]
cazalla anyway zzz, needed a beer after installing gentoo and trying to install xfce, throws all these USE flags required and other shit, mircea_popescu recommended for noobs my ass, i'll smash the laptop [14:18]
mircea_popescu awww! [14:18]
mircea_popescu sorry c man. but think about it like the girl thinks of her virginity [14:18]
mircea_popescu it only hurts once. [14:18]
mircea_popescu after that, it itches. [14:19]
mircea_popescu and since doing this, bitcoin foundation (the actual one) may get a lol at just how sparse this is : [14:22]
assbot Prohibited changes - Bitcoin ... ( ) [14:22]
mircea_popescu maybe an idea to make a proper list ? [14:22]
mircea_popescu mod6 ^ [14:22]
mircea_popescu and, for the curious soul, artforz' timewarp attack explained : [14:27]
assbot Possible way to make a very profitable 50 plus ish attack for pools? | ... ( ) [14:27]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform 'rawlsian veil of ignorance.' << first time i hear of this o.O [21:09]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform 'rawlsian veil of ignorance.' << first time i hear of this o.O [21:09]
mircea_popescu i guess we find jus how ignorant i am or something. [21:09]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is rawls anyway. [21:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky (born September 11, 1979[citation needed]) is an American blogger, writer, and advocate for friendly artificial intelligence." << lol i guess tardpedia actually informs, for once. [21:11]
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asciilifeform !s lesswrong [21:16]
assbot 19 results for 'lesswrong' : [21:16]
asciilifeform ^ mr y's mega-chumpatron [21:16]
mats_cd03 [21:16]
assbot Jihadists Buy 'Islam for Dummies' on Amazon | New Republic ... ( ) [21:16]
mats_cd03 also "The Koran for Dummies". top keks [21:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, what's the connection there ? [21:17]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 allah loves the honest man, neh ? [21:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, consider leaving a shlomo comment on the article itself, for readers of teh future. [21:18]
mircea_popescu knowledge always benefits from dissemination. [21:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's the connection << organized abuse of statistical concepts for satanic purposes [21:19]
mircea_popescu but by him personally ? [21:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes him personally. he organized a perverse cult around bayes's theorem, and hypnotized a thousand reasonably-intelligent folks (mathematical, physical, etc. students) [21:20]
mircea_popescu wait, you are crediting a 35 yo blogger from san francisco with having single handedly created the pop-bayesian idiocy now making up half of applied math out there ?! [21:21]
mircea_popescu dude talk of achievement. [21:21]
mircea_popescu the onlyproblem with this theory being that spamfilters predate his adolescence. [21:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ask around. i know, it's difficult to believe. but the man (yes, he was an actual hassid, afaik he was expelled from their number) is a 'natural hitler' or however it is called these days. [21:22]
mircea_popescu i do not believe this outrage. [21:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: spam filter - and, aha, bayes lived long ago, likewise. mr y did not invent the moving parts. just stuck the pig head on the pole and convinced various folks to dance. [21:23]
mircea_popescu well ok but how do i evaluate how many folks and how much dancing. [21:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to see 'what' dance, visit their forum, their wiki, put on gas mask. to see how many - ask intel dept. i have not counted them. [21:24]
mircea_popescu the ever-loving intel dept i could not survive without actually just slipped me a note, [21:25]
mircea_popescu "you are greatly overstating the importance of the site, it's not reddit sized. it's not even sized, as of today. it's actually smaller than your blog, 5-10k a month sort of affair." [21:25]
mircea_popescu so i suppose this is where i backtrack. [21:26]
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mircea_popescu jurov answered :D [21:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7782 @ 0.00074942 = 5.832 BTC [-] {2} [21:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, i guess now i'm stuck doing a rawls is a clueless ignoramus masquerading as a philosopher (if the "american" part didn't give it away by itself), inept enough to present mere circular reasoning as "moral thought" [21:32]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 5-10k a month sort of affair5-10k a month sort of affair << of maths grad students, though. not homo redditicus. although, to be fair, this is from my personal observations of 5 yrs. or so vintage. [21:43]
asciilifeform damn, springs doubling up [21:43]
mircea_popescu but... bomo redditicus is us phd students. [21:43]
mircea_popescu who did you think was on reddit ? [21:44]
asciilifeform it was actual people. at least - then [21:44]
mircea_popescu well the advantage to us being two different people is that our data doesn't match. [21:44]
asciilifeform as in, folks who can do addition correctly, etc. [21:44]
mircea_popescu stop selling reddit short, it's a great empire of intellectual pinnacling. [21:45]
asciilifeform eh i've no data here, only personal sense of smell, and it was long ago. [21:45]
mircea_popescu shit, people there can even ddos [21:45]
mircea_popescu sort-of. [21:45]
asciilifeform l0l! [21:46]
mircea_popescu it's funny how the history of that thing went. it was about as retarded as lesswrong, originally, a sort of obscure livejournal clone populated by worthless shut-ins (which doesn't mean alkl shut-ins are worthless). [21:48]
mircea_popescu then some guy decided to fill it up with child porn, and so it (obviously) took off [21:48]
mircea_popescu but ever since, and apparently to its last day, it had an inferiority complex to 4chan [21:48]
mircea_popescu so to this day it's still trying to sort-of pretend it's that, /b/ in its glory days, 2005ish [21:49]
asciilifeform i have yet to encounter a 'mousetrap' more effective than 'lesswrong' circa 2009 or so - that is, a mechanism for wasting the time of intelligent folks. has to be seen to be believed, really. [21:49]
mircea_popescu except you know... minus all the actual things. [21:49]
mircea_popescu reddit is cargo /b/ basically. [21:49]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: aaaand s.mpoe is back << apparently o.O [21:50]
mircea_popescu !up Gassho [21:51]
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mircea_popescu is the name in recognition of your many queefs or what. [21:51]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Oh response<< any idea what that's supposed to mean ? [21:54]
mats_cd03 ive got nothing against jihadis personally [21:54]
mircea_popescu i do. what the fuck do they think they are, reddit on steroids ? [21:56]
mats_cd03 legitimate grievances or not, i don't see a problem with taking up arms in support of wutever they believe [21:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: what's a 'bme' anyway? << body modification ezine, was a focus for a bunch of weird individuals + some really banging adolescewnt females [21:56]
mats_cd03 if you're clever enough to win, then you live long enough to see the mess you've created [21:57]
mats_cd03 if not... you live long enough to see your buddies dragged behind a cart. [21:57]
mircea_popescu (women have a very deeply entrenched masochism in them, as you'd expect of machines made to actually carry to term and give birth. the more heavily sexed ones often have trouble managing it until their late 30s) [21:57]
asciilifeform jihadis >> << creatures of usg [21:57]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, i believe their sustenance is genuine. [21:57]
mircea_popescu *: asciilifeform always wondered, in that spirit, if there exist folks with 'useful' tattoos, e.g., one that turns you into a 'human slide rule' <<< yes. in russian prisons. [21:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform jihad long predates the invention of america, let alone the creation of the usg. [22:00]
asciilifeform jihad - yes; jihad (TM) - usg [22:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ".@rabite I think I liked you better as a Christian, could you go back to the Jesus stuff please" lol [22:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and that's about as relevant to the people in the field as the "bitcoin (tm)" "vessenes scam foundation" are relevant to bitcoin. [22:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: distinction is not unimportant, no? flies-cutlets separation. [22:02]
mircea_popescu distinction IS unimportant, inasmuch as you're not interested in either flies or rotten meat. [22:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: applying statistical (or otherwise) counterfactuals to an actual reality is a mistake of the same elementary scope as division by zero, or direct conversion of metres to grams - but for some reason which entirely escapes me, this is not obvious to people << the reason may escape you but is obvious. [22:03]
mircea_popescu take global warming. it is EXACTLY that, they created an imaginary reality to replace earth's history, and that imaginary reality now serves... what does it serve ? [22:03]
mircea_popescu preexisting policy goals ? DING DING DING the man's a winner! check out the ~coinicidence~ there! [22:03]
mircea_popescu it's so statistically improbable :D [22:03]
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mircea_popescu let's add two and two together here. [22:04]
mircea_popescu the first two, "giving poor people money so they're too fat to ferguson" : [22:05]
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mircea_popescu "Do you want riots in the streets? How much does it cost to prevent LA (or the city of your choice) from catching fire? Answer: $600/month/person, plus Medicaid. Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it's a disease, it's nobody's fault. Yay empiricism. [22:06]
mircea_popescu Those who are arguing about the cost of healthcare or think that poor people are lying to get benefits are completely and utterly missing the point of the system. It wants this in the hands of doctors, because it would be toxic to everyone else. Can you imagine your Senator deciding who gets benefits and who doesn't?" [22:06]
mircea_popescu now the other two : [22:07]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 00:09:10; mircea_popescu: “We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ” ~Stephen Schneider, environmental activist, in _Discover_, Oct. '89 [22:07]
mircea_popescu so add these two together, what do you get ? obviously the actual goals of the entire "global warming" stuff, especioally if scrubbed of all the crud, would generally be beneficial and are in any case unavoidable. [22:07]
mircea_popescu but that's not how it works, because to keep up the semblance of "popular democracy" one is stuck "persuading" the cattle. so all sorts of "justifications" have to be made up. [22:08]
mircea_popescu and if they have to be made up... they will be. [22:08]
mircea_popescu just like a professor won't have the mp superbity to go into the review meeting hands in pockets and deliver a stern "fuck you, i'm doing you a favor being here, now you prove yourselves to me and then go home." [22:08]
mircea_popescu instead, he will present a list of "proofs". of his value, importance and utility. which he knows are bunk. but what's he to do ? [22:09]
mircea_popescu governing a herd of idiots who nevertheless think themselves the crown of creation is no easy feat. it is also no feat any thinking man should ever accomplish, for any accomplishment at all, and most mere attempts, are quite morally wrong, and taint something fierce. [22:11]
mircea_popescu yet, everyone loves this "i had no choice" and "what would you have me do ? LEAVE ?" thing. [22:11]
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asciilifeform i voz oonly fulloving urderz! [22:12]
mircea_popescu right ? i predict "the dictates of reality" as a concept to make its appearance at the war on terror warcrimes tribunal. [22:12]
mircea_popescu "i was following orders111" "who the fuck from ?" "reality!" [22:12]
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mircea_popescu anyway. in the country where no man may say "do it this way ~becayse i say so~" all sorts of pathologies are bound to develop. because in point of fact a country has some scope for that sort of thing, whether you want to or not. and like in any living organism, once a metabolic pathway is blocked, homeostasis becomes extremely difficult if at all possible. and will take all sorts of crazy to pull off. [22:16]
asciilifeform would generally be beneficial and are in any case unavoidable << wai wat ? [22:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the us has to get off consumerism. this is not an if. [22:16]
asciilifeform or was that simply re: collapse? in which case, aye [22:16]
mircea_popescu there are many decades, century+ worth of bad decisions baked in that will have to be unwound. [22:17]
mircea_popescu it worked before people travelled, but your average usian thatever visited europe now knows that the sprawl is fucking insane AND not needed. [22:17]
asciilifeform the hunchback will straighten in his grave. [22:17]
mircea_popescu but meanwhile, the hunchback is trying to straighten "through science". [22:17]
mircea_popescu can you blame him ? perhaps. can you mock him ? definitely. will he stop tho ? [22:17]
asciilifeform aha. will keep going until, well, done. [22:18]
mircea_popescu right. so yeah, the worst thing about a friend getting cancer is that point where they lose it [22:18]
mircea_popescu and start "really believing" in quack cures. [22:19]
mircea_popescu rare is the man that actually won't. [22:19]
asciilifeform i bet that modern folks will discover, to some surprise, how many were subscribed to the 'last bullet health & pension insurance co.' [22:21]
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mircea_popescu not even so much surprise, where is that song [22:22]
mircea_popescu who was it, baez had a song about how [the wife] has opened the last can of baked beans [22:23]
thestringpuller mats_cd03: sounds similar to the line from The Dark Knight. "Live long enough to become the villian" [22:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: that is, 'slavery is bad mmkay because what if you were a slave' << lol i remember an encounter with this in kindergarten. substitute whoever attacked some longstanding privilege of mine that i meanwhile forgot with the totally unexpected "can't do that, because what if all the other kids want it too ?" [22:29]
mircea_popescu it took me a coupla passes until it sunk in that the woman actually is seriously presenting this as some sort of an argument, [22:29]
mircea_popescu out of which she even has like, expectations, not to mention thinks it victorious in principle and afore the fact, like calling the name of god or something. [22:30]
mircea_popescu i still can't shake the same bemused, "wait, did the monkey srsly just try to shoot me with a stick" disbelief whenever confronted with it, to this day. [22:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect precisely this, almost to a word, is a formative experience for every boy with half a brain. sorta like if adult tells boy that sky is same colour as grass [22:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and the rawlsian lottery is presumed to include only them <<< ahhh, excellent point re the "inner light" stuff. it wasn't directly apparent, [22:32]
mircea_popescu but in fact, considering pedigrees, that's exactly what the antecessor of this was huh. [22:32]
mircea_popescu puritards, i swear... they're worse than the catholics. [22:32]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've been trying to pinpoint the pathology for a while now. this so far is the best hypothesis i know. [22:33]
mircea_popescu i'm sold. [22:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1866 @ 0.00070732 = 1.3199 BTC [-] {4} [22:34]
thestringpuller !t amhash1 [22:35]
assbot The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow. [22:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK:AMHASH1] 1D: 0.00119143 / 0.00120124 / 0.00120492 (4271 shares, 5.13050131 BTC), 7D: 0.00115001 / 0.00118762 / 0.00121112 (48372 shares, 57.44779008 BTC), 30D: 0.00115001 / 0.00124483 / 0.00135000 (592106 shares, 737.07110440 BTC) [22:35]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Well this whole Jesus thing has kind of been a huge bummer for Western civilization ever since the Romans started taking it seriously <<< it happened as the very complex roman religions were brought closer to the understanding of teh plebs. [22:37]
cazalla pete's article - [22:38]
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thestringpuller and they complained about my footnotes. (jus' sayin') [22:39]
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cazalla thestringpuller, they? one or two people! [22:40]
thestringpuller the royal "they" [22:41]
thestringpuller or whatever [22:41]
cazalla well, you know, some people's footnotes are longer than the article itself [22:41]
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mircea_popescu cazalla best women = longer legs than torso. [22:43]
thestringpuller so they can kick you more easily? [22:47]
mircea_popescu well, you. [22:48]
punkman what woman has longer torso than legs anyway [22:48]
thestringpuller s/woman/human [22:49]
mircea_popescu sjws [22:49]
mircea_popescu short jorso warriors! [22:49]
mircea_popescu by the way, any transhumanists of the future reading this, secretly in their secret coven while being grieviously oppressed by an unrelentingly ignorant society : [22:50]
mircea_popescu i propose euman as the term. it's different from human in that it's BETTER! [22:50]
mircea_popescu whereas to the counterparty, those oppressing them : you could probably switch to "man and homan". [22:51]
thestringpuller who you pronounce that? [22:51]
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mircea_popescu like ho meets man. [22:51]
thestringpuller E-ooh-maan? [22:51]
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thestringpuller how* [22:51]
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mircea_popescu no, /hɒːmən/ [22:53]
thestringpuller i see! [22:53]
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mircea_popescu !up poulos [23:06]
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cazalla fucking lol, that shapiro chick favourited the qntra article on her hardware wallet [23:06]
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mircea_popescu no, /hoːmən/ actually, my bad. ɒː is the other one. [23:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla she might know more than you about how to deal with such things [23:07]
mircea_popescu "Today EFF is pleased to announce Let’s Encrypt, a new certificate authority (CA) initiative that we have put together with Mozilla, Cisco, Akamai, IdenTrust, and researchers at the University of Michigan that aims to clear the remaining roadblocks to transition the Web from HTTP to HTTPS." [23:07]
mircea_popescu holy shit... [23:07]
cazalla or she didn't actually read the article [23:08]
mircea_popescu "The need to obtain, install, and manage certificates from that bureaucracy is the largest reason that sites keep using HTTP instead of HTTPS. " <<< most common != largest. [23:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: [23:08]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 15:42:20; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: RIP EFF. [23:08]
mircea_popescu the common cold is the most common disease. it is not the "largest" nor the most important disease. [23:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah it's where i got it from. [23:08]
mircea_popescu cazalla quite :) [23:08]
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mircea_popescu under the umbrella of the Ghee Kung Tong, identified by the feds as a de facto Chinese mafia organization. Chow begs to differ: “My organization is not what they call a secret society,” he says. “People misunderstand—it’s not a secret. It’s a private self-help group, helping people, our people. It’s about loyalty, trust, honor. As the chairman, it’s my job to help people.” [23:13]
mircea_popescu lmao let's not read history with shrimpboy. [23:13]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this, 1914 ?! [23:13]
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cazalla there is nothing worse than having a beautiful, sunny morning tainted by a complaining woman! [23:37]
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cazalla A guy told me one time.. do not let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.. why didn't i listen lol [23:38]
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nubbins` cazalla sounds like the honeymoon's over [23:56]
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