Forum logs for 15 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot Unofficial IS Site Shut Down, Seeks Bitcoin Donations [00:00]
mircea_popescu o hey. wb qntra [00:00]
cazalla not yet [00:01]
cazalla old host just unsuspended [00:01]
mircea_popescu A twitter account, @QA_AF, is now seeking bitcoin to assist in paying server costs although the donation address2 is yet to receive any bitcoin donations. << you know, those are usually scams. [00:01]
asciilifeform << 'sandworm' sploit [00:02]
mircea_popescu << is this leah mcderp that found satoshi ? [00:02]
assbot 404 Not Found [00:02]
cazalla prolly but everyone was claiming its official ISIS where as the twitter feed itself said hey, we're not official [00:02]
mircea_popescu the derp brigades on social media are something else i swear. [00:03]
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cazalla plus given the host admitted to shutting it down, prob is legit, no donations yet anyway [00:06]
mircea_popescu wait. how is the twitter acct related to the shut down domain ? [00:06]
cazalla it's not but that twitter account was complaining about it at the same time [00:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16405 @ 0.00073558 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2} [00:08]
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mircea_popescu well... you see what i mean. [00:08]
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cazalla i'm not gonna try and contact the guy, aus gov already kicked down a bunch of doors for less [00:10]
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mircea_popescu not really of much interest anyway. [00:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51655 @ 0.00073389 = 37.9091 BTC [-] {2} [00:12]
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thickasthieves jurov, closed last short with profit, spent that on coins and am sitting out for a bit. [00:18]
assbot That'll do pig, that'll do (ending to Babe) - YouTube [00:18]
jurov asciilifeform: i've seen mircea's ways to exchange x.eur directly into crisp cash, maybe you should ask him for guidance to do likewise [00:19]
jurov not six figures, though [00:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15010 @ 0.00073696 = 11.0618 BTC [+] {2} [00:23]
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asciilifeform jurov: having large cash holdings is a health hazard where i live. and it isn't like i can buy machinery from, e.g., taiwan, with it, either. [00:23]
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jurov i did not mean it as cocncrete advice, just that there are things i did not deem possible before [00:24]
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asciilifeform jurov: there are groups of deviants in nyc, etc. who are said to trade btc to and from usd in cash. but this is not very useful to me in particular. [00:27]
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asciilifeform jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way. [00:28]
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PeterL ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 runs mpex, has not run off yet [00:29]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2. [00:29]
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jurov one needs to get creative. these overseas people don't know about btc? [00:30]
PeterL ;;rate ninjashogun -1 crackpot, pushy [00:30]
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Adlai what has ninjashogun been up to that gets him so popular in here? [00:32]
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asciilifeform jurov: i have made inquiries. they know about it. but no one, readily, yet works for coin. or, more importantly, can be trusted to carry out a contract with the white man without the strings attached to using fiat/usd. [00:32]
bounce you in nyc? talk to bcb. [00:33]
PeterL ;;rate cazalla 1 qntra - good source of bitcoin news [00:33]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded. [00:33]
asciilifeform Adlai: and much more of the same. [00:33]
asciilifeform bounce: nope. wash. dc area. [00:34]
PeterL ;;rate bingoboingo 1 qntra - good source of bitcoin news [00:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bingoboingo has been recorded. [00:34]
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bounce right next to virginia. hm. [00:34]
asciilifeform bounce: this discussion is academic, however, because we can't afford the NRE that would be involved in having prototypes made in a 'proper' plant. [00:35]
jurov did you consider - what if large proportion of cardano sales end up being bitcoins? [00:36]
jurov or you fess up to paypal crap? [00:36]
* bounce wonders what it'd cost to buy up and reactivate one of those laid up fabs. [00:36]
jurov just genuinely interested [00:36]
asciilifeform bounce: [00:37]
assbot Logged on 02-10-2014 05:27:15; asciilifeform: the pick'n'place cum pastelayer is the only cut to a 'gordian knot' - namely, can't have the boards populated at a genuine factory (prohibitive cost for small batches) - but can't populate by hand with acceptable yield (very fine-pitch components) [00:37]
asciilifeform jurov: no paypal. no fiat sales. btc only. [00:37]
jurov then, if you can't use btc now, how it will change? [00:37]
kakobrekla afaik he mentioned once he plans to take em to his grave. [00:38]
thickasthieves good to have a plan [00:38]
asciilifeform jurov: great question. if critical mass of btc, i can escape to a friendly country and build small plant using modern tech. [00:38]
jurov maybe you'll need reseller in less derpy jurisdiction ;) [00:38]
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Adlai asciilifeform: btw have you seen scalpl? [00:40]
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bounce I was really talking chip fabs, not pcb plants. IIRC IBM wanted to offload fishkill, and nobody wanted it because tech too old. also, random search result: [00:40]
assbot Map of Semiconductor Fabs - 10stripe [00:40]
asciilifeform jurov: recall my gravity well analogy. one gram of rocket fuel gets you nowhere nearer to escaping, e.g., earth or moon. a hundred tonnes - does. the gram brings you nearer to blowing out from the well only in the sense that it's one gram less that you must collect. [00:40]
mircea_popescu [00:41]
assbot Cher with Beavis & Butthead - I Got You Babe (1993) - YouTube [00:41]
asciilifeform bounce: we'd be talking seven figures in tax and enviro-bureaucracy fees alone. [00:41]
asciilifeform bounce: if not eight. [00:42]
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bounce if the fab is laid up there's lots of tax break leverage. but you'd have to be a big corp to really make that happen. you know, apple and their sea^Wocean of bezzle. they can't use it in the usa though, have to buy up something somewhere else. [00:43]
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bounce wonder if buying chunks of laid up corporate tax evasion bezzle at a discount would be sellable to them corps. [00:44]
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jurov what? you mean ascii to confuse some agency into believeing that NSA ordered the cardano manufacture? [00:46]
mircea_popescu jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way. <<< yeah, which is why meth isn't a problem either. [00:46]
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mircea_popescu jurov> or you fess up to paypal crap? << cardano won't sell for fiat./ [00:47]
bounce s/discount/& for bitcoin/ [00:47]
mircea_popescu actually, nothing i've made since 2011ish sells for fiat. [00:47]
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mircea_popescu bounce: we'd be talking seven figures in tax and enviro-bureaucracy fees alone. << you don't understand how leveraged crap generally is. [00:48]
mircea_popescu if industry worked like you represent it here apple would have no choice but to list 20 trillion in assets worldwide. [00:49]
thickasthieves in Lawsky in 10m, the video feed has a chat function if qntra wants to ask Q's [00:52]
assbot HTTP 500 : Internal Server Error [00:52]
bounce blah silverlight [00:54]
cazalla ok so site xferred, hopefully dns refresh fast [00:56]
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bounce looks to work here [00:59]
cazalla nah old host [00:59]
mircea_popescu ;;whois [00:59]
gribble Error: You don't have the network.whois capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. [00:59]
mircea_popescu ;;google whois [00:59]
gribble Jon Matonis To Headline Bitcoin4iGaming Conference This November: ; Internet Watch Foundation Claims Bitcoin Increasingly ... - ; Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian (1 more message) [00:59]
mircea_popescu ;;google whois [00:59]
gribble Jon Matonis To Headline Bitcoin4iGaming Conference This November: ; Internet Watch Foundation Claims Bitcoin Increasingly ... - ; Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian (1 more message) [00:59]
mircea_popescu meh [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00073754 = 20.6142 BTC [+] [01:00]
thickasthieves [01:00]
assbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? [01:00]
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mircea_popescu cazalla seems it's propagated everywhere but melbourne [01:01]
mircea_popescu sucks to live in the sticks eh cazalla ? [01:01]
bounce and which is the old, which the new? [01:02]
mircea_popescu 206.x is the new. [01:02]
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cazalla well, that's australia for you [01:04]
cazalla just making backups before i nuke the old one and we'll see [01:05]
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bounce [01:17]
assbot Moolah is having to close its doors. | Moolah [01:17]
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Adlai at least "If you fail to withdraw your funds before the platform is shut down on October 31st, you will receive an email asking you where you want your funds to go." [01:19]
mircea_popescu check it out, i found something to go with : [01:19]
assbot The Right to Rape - Sci-Fi & Fantasy - [01:19]
mircea_popescu the universe is balanced again. [01:19]
mircea_popescu "After 10 months as a high-risk startup in a volatile environment, Moolah has reached a stage where it is unable to continue operations in today’s market. With rising costs and dropping revenue, and the loss of a number of key clients vital to the ongoing operation of the company, we are no longer able to continue functioning." [01:20]
mircea_popescu heh. splendid. [01:20]
dub another victim of success [01:20]
thickasthieves the bell tolls [01:20]
Adlai tbh it's amazing that a business primarily focused on "payment" processing for the dogeconomy was able to survive this long [01:20]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:20]
thickasthieves omg lawsky is just doing comedy bits [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00073601 = 13.8738 BTC [-] {2} [01:23]
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Apocalyptic !s poodle [01:33]
assbot 5 results for 'poodle' : [01:33]
thickasthieves this stream is shit [01:34]
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Apocalyptic [01:35]
assbot Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback [01:35]
Apocalyptic the SSL lulz keeps on [01:35]
cazalla do you guys see qntra or place holder now on [01:35]
Apocalyptic I see "dns refresh" [01:36]
cazalla cpu is at 100% on new host too mircea_popescu [01:36]
kakobrekla lol [01:36]
cazalla lots of wordpress pings too [01:37]
kakobrekla i get Resource Limit Is Reached [01:37]
jurov i see just 500 infernal error [01:37]
jurov where it is hosted now? [01:38]
thickasthieves me too [01:38]
kakobrekla some derp host ? [01:38]
cazalla with mp [01:38]
cazalla CPU Usage 100 / 100 %, Virtual Memory Usage 380 / 380 MB [01:39]
mircea_popescu um [01:39]
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mircea_popescu You have reached entry processes (number of simultaneously running php and cgi scripts, as well as cron jobs and shell sessions) limit 217796 times [01:40]
mircea_popescu lol you're being dderpos'd. [01:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, the site's online, it's being mitigated, whatevs. [01:41]
jurov um... add some apache/nginx rule to weed out these pingback as soon as possible? [01:41]
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mircea_popescu jurov i'd rather acquire the guy's list. [01:42]
kakobrekla jurov you really need to do it at a lower lever [01:42]
kakobrekla level [01:42]
jurov yes, but still better than letting cgi/php run for them [01:43]
jurov and can be still logged if you want [01:43]
mircea_popescu lol the log's 50mb [01:43]
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cazalla damn trolls and haters [01:45]
danielpbarron Disabling SSL 3.0 support, or CBC-mode ciphers with SSL 3.0, is sufficient to mitigate this issue, but presents significant compatibility problems, even today. Therefore our recommended response is to support TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV. [01:46]
assbot Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback [01:46]
Apocalyptic danielpbarron, linked to it above [01:47]
danielpbarron wah.. i searched for it in the logs and everything :< [01:47]
mircea_popescu lol [01:48]
kakobrekla search is delayed a bit. [01:48]
jurov frist!!! [01:48]
bounce you could try and condense the actual attack into a single paragraph. the paper and announcement are less than helpful. [01:48]
assbot BTC2B - The First Bitcoin To Business Congress - Brussels [01:48]
jurov mircea here's your list ? [01:54]
assbot 100K Top WordPress Powered Sites | [01:54]
mircea_popescu jurov i dunno, but thanks. adding it all to the ping list. [01:56]
mircea_popescu which doesn't look like will ever be exhausted. [01:56]
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BingoBoingo Oh is it the Reddit police? [02:01]
bounce need a pingback sink then? [02:02]
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BingoBoingo Or Mullenwang to stop insisting DOS cannon be a part of default wordpress installs [02:03]
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mircea_popescu <<< attack's ded. [02:04]
assbot CPUvMEM(MB)pMEM(MB)EPnPROCIO(KB/s) FromToamlamlamlamlam - [02:04]
jurov i see only dns refresh now [02:08]
kakobrekla i see Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it? [02:08]
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jborkl Sup guys [02:09]
BingoBoingo Not too much [02:09]
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mircea_popescu !up net [02:10]
-assbot- You voiced net for 30 minutes. [02:10]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla so click the linx [02:11]
kakobrekla dunno home page brokd [02:14]
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mircea_popescu anyway, problem solved, cazalla BingoBoingo carry on. [02:18]
BingoBoingo Cool [02:18]
cazalla ty [02:18]
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BingoBoingo I'm kind of impressed we burned through a shitbox so quickly [02:19]
mircea_popescu the net is full of crap, and instead of people urinating the mouths of crapmongers a la matt mullenweg and co, [02:19]
mircea_popescu they are invited to conferences and people listen to them as if they were people [02:19]
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mircea_popescu the net result is that unless you're rich and powerful, you're fucked. [02:19]
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mircea_popescu this is perhaps the most immoral state of affairs one could imagine [02:19]
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mircea_popescu and it all stems from the boneheaded tolerance to idiocy and incompetence that has become part of western culture. [02:20]
mircea_popescu the next best thing you can do for sugar, spice and everything nice, after owning some bitcoin, is beating your kids when they fuck up. [02:21]
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mircea_popescu so keep that in mind as you age. [02:21]
thestringpuller i thought that was common knowledge [02:22]
mircea_popescu if it were common knowledge there wouldn't be 100k+ broken wordpress installs all over the net. [02:22]
thestringpuller What is that saying, "Have you ever thought of turning off the TV, sitting down with your children and hitting them?" [02:22]
thestringpuller Oops the actual quote: "Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?" [02:23]
bounce eh, your cute widdle powerpuff girls will beat you up instead [02:24]
mircea_popescu << graphs, if anyone's curious. [02:25]
cazalla yeah, i don't mind that others beat their kids, not so sure i'd beat my own [02:26]
mircea_popescu there's gotta be some enforced responsibility somehow, somewhere [02:27]
mircea_popescu otherwise everyone sinks in this mire of "creativity" and bullshit. [02:27]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu:nanotube could the defaults on viewratingdetail.php be sorted by time rather than by rate'rs total point count ? it kinda pointlessly emphasises a meaningless measure, as-is. <<< iirc this used to be the way it worked, and only recntly changed to sort by rater total rating. [02:28]
BingoBoingo [02:29]
assbot After DOS /qntra is back on stronger hosting [02:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i recall the same thing, was kinda surprised. [02:29]
mircea_popescu for the lulz : logs are... 135.53 MB now. [02:30]
thestringpuller less than an episode of seinfeld [02:31]
mircea_popescu that's what, 1mn lines in an hour ? herp. [02:31]
cazalla ok dns refreshed but i see old posts, not new ones, do you guys see the IS article or write for qntra on front page? [02:31]
mircea_popescu ? [02:31]
assbot Unofficial IS Site Shut Down, Seeks Bitcoin Donations [02:31]
cazalla do you see that on front page? [02:32]
* Adlai sees write for [02:32]
jurov it worked once, now i'm back at "dns refresh" [02:32]
mircea_popescu linked there on the right [02:32]
cazalla hmm something is messed up then [02:32]
Adlai but yes, recent posts includes real recent posts [02:32]
nubbins` ;;notes nubbins [02:33]
gribble Sent 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, and 48 minutes ago: Got the print. Nice! [02:33]
nubbins` how can i clear this? [02:33]
nubbins` ;;notes nubbins [02:33]
gribble Sent 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, and 48 minutes ago: Got the print. Nice! [02:33]
jurov do /nick nubbins [02:34]
nubbins` oh, duh [02:34]
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nubbins any messages, gribs? [02:34]
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nubbins` ;;notes nubbins [02:34]
gribble Error: I have no notes for that nick. [02:34]
nubbins` RIGHT ON [02:35]
jurov what's the business with the mini schlong, anyway? [02:35]
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nubbins` nice one [02:38]
nubbins` `jurov` it's scammer-proof [02:38]
* `jurov` feels quoted properly [02:38]
nubbins` employees `must` wash hands after using toilet [02:38]
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* `jurov` invented antiscam quotes. beat that! [02:41]
`jurov` they will be implemented in php soon [02:42]
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punkman kakobrekla, deedbot needs a home, you got a corner it can sit in? [02:43]
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kakobrekla what does it need [02:46]
punkman a terrarium for its snakes [02:47]
kakobrekla heh [02:47]
punkman (virtualenv) [02:47]
punkman it also runs an electrum daemon [02:47]
punkman and need some sort of webserver of interface [02:48]
punkman *for interface [02:48]
kakobrekla who is going to maintain this? [02:48]
punkman I will [02:48]
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kakobrekla ok [02:49]
kakobrekla i can raise you an instance at do [02:50]
kakobrekla debian? [02:50]
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punkman the thing I want to avoid is securing the server outside the app [02:51]
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punkman I could write an Ansible playbook if given detailed steps [02:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00073657 = 20.624 BTC [+] [02:54]
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kakobrekla hold on [02:55]
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kakobrekla a bit of emergency here [02:55]
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Lycerion assbot huh [02:58]
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Lycerion clever [02:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00073738 = 18.5451 BTC [+] {3} [02:59]
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nubbins` ass for assets, obv [03:00]
nubbins` !t h hif [03:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00003999 / 3.999E-5 / 0.00003999 (14 shares, 0.00055986 BTC), 7D: 0.00003727 / 3.763E-5 / 0.00004097 (5931 shares, 0.22317780 BTC), 30D: 0.00003010 / 4.719E-5 / 0.00009799 (23563 shares, 1.11205519 BTC) [03:00]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 403.33, Best ask: 403.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 403.33, 24 hour volume: 24830.68690172, 24 hour low: 390.48, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 404.124433348 [03:01]
nubbins` 417! imagine [03:01]
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nubbins` 1btc=1xau by xmas [03:01]
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nubbins` oh and they withdrew the charges for the 3 parking tickets [03:02]
nubbins` i didn't even get to present my case :/ [03:02]
punkman mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares? [03:02]
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nubbins` [03:05]
assbot Nude Beach Blow Job Jet Ski Fight Leads to Wifes Death [03:05]
nubbins` it's like they just rolled a bunch of word dice. [03:05]
punkman can't resist title [03:05]
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kakobrekla sorta back [03:08]
kakobrekla well what is at stake here, a few bit cents? [03:08]
BingoBoingo T m s.bbet [03:09]
BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet [03:09]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00036 / 0.00036 / 0.00036 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC) [03:09]
punkman pretty much [03:09]
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kakobrekla so it does not require much if any attention really [03:09]
kakobrekla dobian then? [03:10]
kakobrekla debian* [03:10]
punkman should do it [03:10]
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kakobrekla ;;ident punkman [03:12]
gribble Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None [03:12]
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BingoBoingo !t m s.qntr [03:12]
assbot Quest for vision is a great blessing. [03:12]
nubbins` no trades yet [03:12]
BingoBoingo No shares yet [03:12]
nubbins` heh [03:13]
nubbins` no yet [03:13]
nubbins` IPO documents: bringing faces to irc nicks since 2011 [03:14]
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BingoBoingo Oh, you didn't see my slave name was lready on Trilema? [03:15]
nubbins` guess i missed it! [03:15]
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nubbins` wait, you left a death threat on someone's voicemail?! [03:18]
nubbins` my sides [03:18]
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BingoBoingo Allegedly [03:20]
BingoBoingo Also allegedly the other party is not a conservative, but the avatar of socialism incarnate. [03:21]
cazalla figured some people would begin digging, good luck, i'm behind 7 proxies [03:24]
kakobrekla punkman see pm [03:24]
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kakobrekla punkman make a new user for the thing clearly [03:26]
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[]bot Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" Odds: 38(Y):62(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.65541987 BTC. Current weight: 52,100. [03:32]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [03:34]
gribble Current Blocks: 325354 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1237 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35959402986.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.73387 [03:34]
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thickasthieves [03:39]
assbot /moolah_io Contact me. [03:39]
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devthedev It's nice to see Qntra back up. [03:47]
BingoBoingo Yeah, now the new hosting is strong on plow [03:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 950 @ 0.0011 = 1.045 BTC [+] {2} [03:51]
nubbins` [03:51]
assbot More tampered P.E.I. potatoes found in N.S. and Newfoundland - - CBC News [03:51]
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BingoBoingo SexySaffron got a dye job [04:07]
assbot /hashtag/tittytuesday?src=hash What do you guys think of me as a blonde? ;) /hashtag/NSFW?src=hash /hashtag/boobies?src=hash [04:07]
cazalla niice [04:08]
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devthedev Hmm, what to write about [04:10]
BingoBoingo devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks? [04:12]
devthedev I'm not aware of who that is [04:12]
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devthedev I love you too assbot. [04:15]
BingoBoingo devthedev: He's the benevolent dick of WordPress [04:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10077 @ 0.00073858 = 7.4427 BTC [+] [04:15]
cazalla devthedev, i was going to write up the moolah story but you can do that one if you like, i have another one to work on [04:16]
devthedev Okay, I actually worked with Moolah personally in the past. [04:16]
devthedev Interesting character [04:17]
BingoBoingo Maybe two Moolah stories then? [04:17]
devthedev Possibly [04:18]
devthedev dns refresh, brb [04:18]
cazalla you might have to forward your article to BingoBoingo devthedev, i'm unable to access the dashboard yet [04:19]
devthedev Okay [04:19]
devthedev DNS hasn't propagated over there yet? [04:20]
BingoBoingo Yeah, cazalla is testing how we handle submitters [04:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.11898181 = 1.3088 BTC [+] {2} [04:36]
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penguirker New blog post: [04:44]
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BingoBoingo Fight Matt Mullenwang, vote up on /. [04:47]
assbot WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot [04:47]
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-assbot- You voiced JimDowJo3es for 30 minutes. [04:48]
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mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares? << you don';t get em [04:48]
devthedev Well it looks like Moolah investors are at a loss. [04:50]
mircea_popescu devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks? <<< btw, you want data to write a qntra ddos piece or not really ? [04:51]
devthedev Yes please! [04:51]
mircea_popescu devthedev "investors" [04:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Put one on the personal blawg [04:53]
assbot WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot [04:53]
devthedev I always have this in the back of my mind, Lol you have a death wish? [04:53]
BingoBoingo now DOS'd [04:53]
mircea_popescu lol [04:54]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla you ever tried phone sex btw ? [04:54]
BingoBoingo At least Dreamhost admits fault when their shitbox plan sucks dick [04:54]
mircea_popescu you get a condom, put the phone inside, then shove it in either the girl's vagina or asshole [04:54]
mircea_popescu then fuck the other hole while calling the inserted phone [04:55]
mircea_popescu bonus points if she manages to pick up and you can hear yourself sloshing [04:55]
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-assbot- You voiced Tykling for 30 minutes. [04:56]
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devthedev You would think that they would at least keep the Moolah site online as the community's gathering info for our negative articles. [04:56]
BingoBoingo devthedev: Well, what is their interest in that [04:57]
Apocalyptic damn, it was up a few minutes ago [04:58]
devthedev Maybe someone discovered the server IP and DoS'ed it? [04:58]
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BingoBoingo devthedev: Server IP should be obvious, cloudflare bullshit is for mammilian potatoes [05:00]
Apocalyptic devthedev, some mad "investor" ? poor consolation [05:00]
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devthedev Maybe Apocalyptic. [05:00]
devthedev BingoBoingo: Yeah, there's a ton of cloudflare resolvers that are pretty accurate. (Tried finding my server IP behind it) [05:01]
kakobrekla BingoBoingo perhaps ddoser is reading the lawgs [05:01]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Maybe, but atm they are just making my dick harder [05:01]
BingoBoingo I don't surrender to motherfuckers who could arrest me, why would I surrender to people who merely DOS me? [05:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i wouldn't be too worried about it, pop back up by tomorrow or w/e [05:03]
mircea_popescu lmao 1/4 gb qntra logfile [05:06]
mircea_popescu this is going to be a riot tomorrow. [05:06]
BingoBoingo I dunno how much hate I have left to give, and I'm full of hate at the moment. [05:07]
Apocalyptic mircea, the DDOS is still ongoing ? [05:07]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic apparently. [05:07]
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mircea_popescu well it's not doing anything, but i guess so, yeah. [05:07]
BingoBoingo I kind of thought having the slave name on the listing would make people less inclined to feed me hate. [05:08]
BingoBoingo Or does google lack updated pictures of my beard [05:09]
devthedev Hm, [05:12]
assbot Anyone else see the humor in /moolah_io advertising zero fee trading to entice people into depositing before they shut down? [05:12]
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mircea_popescu [05:16]
assbot Living Room of Satoshi Packs It In [05:16]
mircea_popescu myeah, it's visible alright. [05:16]
mircea_popescu [05:16]
assbot - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary [05:16]
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BingoBoingo devthedev: Maybe gribble auth? [05:18]
devthedev I'm on the laptop [05:18]
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mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo should be interesting to see what quantcast makes of this lmao [05:19]
BingoBoingo Indeed [05:19]
BingoBoingo Then again the way quantcast discounted all of Yesterday [05:19]
BingoBoingo [05:19]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [05:19]
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kakobrekla ha [05:22]
BingoBoingo lol [05:22]
mpmcsweeney ty [05:22]
kakobrekla ill take mine back [05:22]
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mpmcsweeney lol [05:22]
kakobrekla still got two! [05:22]
BingoBoingo mpmcsweeney: You aren't getting Dos too are you? [05:22]
mpmcsweeney denial of service? [05:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol such bs [05:23]
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devthedev Does anyone know if there's a way to determine how long a site's been offline? [05:23]
BingoBoingo Yeah, Everyone is Dos'ing people by weaponizing mommy blogs [05:23]
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xinxi why do you up me? [05:24]
mike_c devthedev: if popular it will be on here: [05:24]
assbot Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not? [05:24]
BingoBoingo xinxi: Because you are interesting [05:24]
xinxi oh, thanks [05:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25047 @ 0.00073565 = 18.4258 BTC [-] [05:24]
cazalla when can that static page be removed from qntra? [05:25]
BingoBoingo cazalla: qntra nao has normal home page [05:25]
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cazalla yeah i can see that, not login yet, gonna jump on windows and see what it is like there [05:26]
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cazalla ya can't use commas? swear i have done that before, probably ran into same problem [05:29]
mircea_popescu lol noob [05:30]
mircea_popescu ppls are "wtf is he talking about. can't be." then later "oh." [05:30]
mircea_popescu well anyway, consider these past few hours your baptism of fire ? [05:31]
mircea_popescu not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all. [05:31]
mircea_popescu in fact, that may well exceed the total logfile of all bitcoin newsites to date. [05:31]
BingoBoingo not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all. << Actually this is the ass end of week 2 [05:32]
mircea_popescu a ok [05:32]
mircea_popescu THAT CHANGES ERRYTHING [05:32]
BingoBoingo For Srs, also first, best time thedrinkingrecord was Dos [05:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The domain qntra has reached its bandwidth limit (22195.78/20000.00 Megs). [05:33]
mircea_popescu uh no ?! [05:33]
BingoBoingo Dunno if real, but email says so [05:34]
BingoBoingo I assume email lies though [05:34]
Apocalyptic same here [05:34]
Apocalyptic "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" [05:34]
mircea_popescu may be only now scripts are catching up with all the funs. [05:34]
mircea_popescu im having it looked into. [05:34]
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BingoBoingo So... when do we hand wp_matt [05:35]
BingoBoingo *hang [05:35]
mircea_popescu yep you're over bw. sec. [05:36]
cazalla oh great, login becomes available, site goes down again [05:36]
mircea_popescu dawgs, 20gb in six hours ? heh. [05:36]
BingoBoingo This is my 12th consecutive hour just straight up mainlining hate. [05:36]
BingoBoingo A /.ing isn't this bad [05:36]
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nubbins` what in the world are you into [05:37]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Obola it seems [05:38]
BingoBoingo Ebumma must dislike us [05:38]
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nubbins` ebummer, dude [05:38]
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BingoBoingo What's up DowntimeBsns [05:38]
DowntimeBsns shared host lol [05:39]
BingoBoingo Well, used to be [05:39]
DowntimeBsns gj [05:39]
BingoBoingo Now just niggers.txt [05:39]
BingoBoingo DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police? [05:39]
DowntimeBsns yes [05:39]
BingoBoingo DowntimeBsns: Why do u hate me? [05:40]
BingoBoingo I live in tent. I homeless leik u. [05:40]
DowntimeBsns oh [05:40]
Apocalyptic mircea, can't you just nullroute the offending IPs or is the range too broad ? [05:40]
mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo should be back in business. [05:40]
BingoBoingo Just trying to earn super legit living DowntimeBsns [05:40]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic eh let teh kids have funs. [05:40]
DowntimeBsns why don't you guys start a hosting business [05:40]
cazalla DowntimeBsns, you know we punch on for less than this down under [05:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: qntra seems up [05:41]
DowntimeBsns instead of derping over shit service providers [05:41]
mircea_popescu DowntimeBsns you must be new here. [05:41]
BingoBoingo DowntimeBsns: WHy Y bully me and not Dogescam? Or Obola Scam? [05:41]
DowntimeBsns i'm goat [05:42]
DowntimeBsns fuck you [05:42]
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BingoBoingo DowntimeBsns: Why U instead pick on people trying to adapt to economy nuevo [05:42]
devthedev Lol [05:42]
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mircea_popescu lmao [05:43]
mircea_popescu it must suck to suck. [05:43]
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mircea_popescu <<< how's 40mbps sound ? [05:45]
mircea_popescu but oh no, matt derpyweed knows better and has made "technical tradebacks" or w/e they're called. [05:45]
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BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: You can talk nao [05:52]
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PinkPosixPXE So to get level 2, I have to accomplish a few trades that go well and get in the ranking system, correct? [05:56]
mircea_popescu basically. [05:57]
PinkPosixPXE k, just making sure I wasn't confused [05:57]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Not necessarlily trades, but situations definitely [05:57]
PinkPosixPXE ah, so I Don't have to trade [05:58]
PinkPosixPXE ? [05:58]
PinkPosixPXE I read the documentation, but I think I'm missing something [05:58]
mircea_popescu o hey, here we go again, round... 3 is it ? [05:58]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE as long as someone o nthe lordship list trusts you you're in. [05:58]
kakobrekla PinkPosixPXE got any skills? [05:58]
PinkPosixPXE I gotcha [05:59]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: What do you do? [05:59]
PinkPosixPXE I just didn't want to jump into trading right away, but if that was the requirement for level 2/+v, wanted to check [05:59]
PinkPosixPXE I am a Sr. Linux Systems Admin [05:59]
PinkPosixPXE For a Publishing company [05:59]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Requirement for L2 is impress somebody. How can you impress? [05:59]
PinkPosixPXE I work with nix variations, server maintenance [05:59]
PinkPosixPXE Do you need a bash script written [06:00]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: What's your favorite *nix? [06:00]
BingoBoingo I dun use bash [06:00]
BingoBoingo Korn [06:00]
BingoBoingo Ok band, mediocre shell [06:00]
PinkPosixPXE I really prefer rhel/centos, but ubuntu is ok too, we use a variety of flavors in our environment, but those are the main ones. [06:00]
kakobrekla ubuntu :( [06:01]
BingoBoingo RH is on the naughty list for pushing SystemDeviant out [06:01]
kakobrekla skinned windows. [06:01]
PinkPosixPXE and OEL [06:01]
BingoBoingo And keeping Poettering from starving [06:01]
PinkPosixPXE for our oracle database clusters [06:01]
PinkPosixPXE I don't choose the OS's, I just build them, configure, and maintain them when they break while management snaps the whip [06:01]
kakobrekla no worries [06:02]
PinkPosixPXE You know how it goes, but I have to work with a lot of different things, so it broadens my skillset [06:02]
PinkPosixPXE anywho [06:02]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Any recommendations for scalable server on Motorola 68K? [06:02]
PinkPosixPXE before I ramble [06:02]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: You try writing prose at all? [06:02]
kakobrekla Whats the ramble about? [06:03]
BingoBoingo rabble [06:03]
PinkPosixPXE BingoBoingo: A Motorola 6800, hrm fairly old, you want to scale out and replace it, or change the setup how, precisely? [06:05]
PinkPosixPXE BingoBoingo: I have written prose, unfortunately to a fault at times... I'm not very succinct [06:06]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: I want a 6830, but with a GHz class clock. Or... daydreams [06:06]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Try a post for qntra [06:06]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: resource limit reached again [06:06]
Apocalyptic %d [06:07]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 321004.15 in 185 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.91 [06:07]
BingoBoingo still abides nao that cacheing is reenavled [06:07]
PinkPosixPXE BingoBoingo: Do you enjoy playing with older hardware and different arch types? IT can be fun, just frustrating as well at times. [06:09]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: It is the only way to play. C is supposed to be portable. If your kernel can't take SPARC or 68K I dunno if it is correct enough to live [06:10]
Adlai wtf -82.91% [06:11]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Tis ATC [06:12]
Adlai that's a fantastically ungoogleable tla [06:12]
Apocalyptic hopefully in a week we'll be at the new diff [06:12]
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PinkPosixPXE I'll check out posting on qntra [06:16]
PinkPosixPXE or if anyone needs help with a linux issue, I can try to assist there [06:16]
TomServo Adlai: [06:17]
assbot The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again [06:17]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Know any way to seed an entropy pool in NEtBSD on MacSE/30? [06:18]
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nanotube mircea_popescu: it used to sort by rating value... i figured sorting by rating total is a more informative first display... though ideally it would sort by 'total trust from nanotube' or something like that, but that would require writing some code to run those calculations in batch mode and caching them, cuz running every rater live would be expensive... [06:22]
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mircea_popescu nanotube how a bout just sort on freshness ? [06:22]
mircea_popescu save everyone a click. [06:22]
asciilifeform interestingly, my favourite hosting co. is virtually ddos-proof and costs almost nothing. [06:24]
asciilifeform down side - only eats usd, and doesn't give actual machine (not even vm.) so no persistent processes. [06:24]
asciilifeform (re: ddos tale) [06:25]
assbot PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [06:27]
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PinkPosixPXE ty [06:27]
PinkPosixPXE BingoBoingo: I'd need more details, but essentially you can use rng-tools/rng to increase the entropy on a server. How it would be implemented for your exact use, would require more discussion. [06:27]
asciilifeform i think he's asking for hardware. [06:28]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Yeah, talking about specific hardware I cooked before trying to gen GPG keys using the NetBSD PGP implementation [06:28]
BingoBoingo because apparently real Macs don't generate entropy [06:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from whence did you imagine it would come? [06:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cloud chamber... [06:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally, commodore-64 (and 128) had hardware noise. (in the 6581 sound chip.) [06:29]
PinkPosixPXE did it time out on generating a gpg key due to lack of entropy? [06:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that one: [06:30]
assbot Parallel Port SID6581 Interface [06:30]
BingoBoingo There were motherboard component that looked like they could fill the role [06:30]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Not time out... cooked self [06:30]
PinkPosixPXE overheated? [06:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Could have been helpful [06:30]
BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE: Overheated to the extent that magic smoke [06:31]
PinkPosixPXE wow [06:31]
asciilifeform magic smoke out of what ? [06:31]
PinkPosixPXE just trying to generate entropy [06:31]
asciilifeform if not sure from what, probably had electrolytic cap burst [06:31]
asciilifeform routine on vintage gear. [06:31]
asciilifeform find which, replace. [06:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Out of class mac case SE/30 lives in [06:31]
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asciilifeform pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit. [06:32]
PinkPosixPXE I mean, there's plenty of hardware abounds, it depends what you want, want to use it for, and your budget/access to hardware [06:32]
PinkPosixPXE then there's tools that help increase entropy [06:32]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit. << Maor concerned with shaming WP matt [06:32]
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PinkPosixPXE ok, I'm not the only one struggling in that department ;P ... No offense intended of course [06:33]
asciilifeform PinkPosixPXE: tools that help increase entropy << what've we come to. as if the heat death of universe weren't arriving quickly enough... [06:33]
PinkPosixPXE hehe, well now the theory has changed to the "cold death" of the universe, as it's expanding at an ever increasing rate, and galaxies/etc. are moving further away [06:35]
PinkPosixPXE from each other [06:35]
PinkPosixPXE but I digress.. [06:35]
PinkPosixPXE [06:35]
assbot Helping The Random Number Generator To Gain Enough Entropy With rng-tools (Debian Lenny) | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials [06:35]
BingoBoingo At the moment universe is headed to a hate death, because Wordpress's Matt Mullenwang dunno priorities [06:36]
asciilifeform PinkPosixPXE: this tool does precisely nothing without a hardware rng. [06:36]
mircea_popescu mkay, so with the 3rd attack the list of goat's botnet ips went from 1k to 3k items [06:36]
PinkPosixPXE ignore the debian portion, rng-tools is something most OS's should have available [06:37]
PinkPosixPXE So we have to increase entropy somehow. This can be done with rng-tools, a package to use a hardware true number generator (TRNG). Don't worry, you don't need any extra hardware, we will use /dev/urandom as our true number generator. [06:37]
mircea_popescu looking forward to full discovery. [06:37]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, qntra is back in working order. [06:37]
PinkPosixPXE Fixed my issue earlier today, entropy isn't solely hardware dependant, [06:38]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i cannot log in, again, 403 [06:38]
asciilifeform PinkPosixPXE: in the sense of 'it works better if you plug it in' ? [06:39]
BingoBoingo !up devthedev [06:39]
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mircea_popescu cazalla meh, apparently he's got moar. [06:39]
cazalla in fact, entire site is 403 for me now except static page [06:39]
PinkPosixPXE it uses /dev/urandom, it's not hardware driven, it just pulls entropy through rng-tools software, rather than 'mouse input' or 'disk activity' etc. [06:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.00073514 = 8.1814 BTC [-] {3} [06:43]
asciilifeform not hardware driven << a schoolboy can write his own 'mersenne twister', get the same inferior result, for no effort really. [06:45]
mircea_popescu why is mt inferior ?! [06:45]
BingoBoingo Twistor is harder though [06:45]
PinkPosixPXE There's that new usb device called 'entropy' which is a usb coin wallet, that you can just plug in [06:45]
asciilifeform inferior to hardware [06:45]
assbot Mycelium Successfully Funds USB Bitcoin Wallet Device, Entropy, With Indiegogo - CryptoCoinsNews [06:45]
asciilifeform !s mycelium [06:45]
assbot 46 results for 'mycelium' : [06:45]
devthedev Ugh, CCN [06:46]
PinkPosixPXE When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive, hardware-based entropy is harnessed to create a large, truly random, number. The random number is generated using a static RAM chip, which Holcomb, D.E.; Burleson, W.P.; and Fu. K. have proven is capable of generating “128-bit true random numbers.” This number is then used as the seed to generate a private key and corresponding Bitcoin [06:46]
PinkPosixPXE address [06:46]
cazalla anyone else getting "You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server." on [06:46]
asciilifeform ('inferior' is perhaps poor choice of word here. for cryptographic purposes. for, say, homework, where the run must be replicable - one must use prng.) [06:46]
devthedev No cazalla [06:46]
asciilifeform !s sram rng [06:46]
assbot 3 results for 'sram rng' : [06:46]
asciilifeform nothing new under the sky. [06:46]
PinkPosixPXE asciilifeform: For serious security, perhaps yes, but everything runs on hardware, it's just the software layer that interacts with how entropy is derived from teh hardware wether it's something you plug in or something you run on a server [06:47]
PinkPosixPXE but depends on your end goal/objective [06:47]
asciilifeform that'd be 'it works better if you plug it in.' [06:47]
asciilifeform that is, if you process the output of noise apparatus as prescribed, you get the expected result; if you forget to, and call 'return(3)' as in the comic - not. [06:48]
asciilifeform [06:48]
assbot xkcd: Random Number [06:48]
asciilifeform what shall we teach next? arithmetic? [06:48]
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mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo anyway, we're on to actual ddos, no more of that wordpress mickey mouse bs [06:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why are you convinced that it was a 'wordpress'-based ddos ? [06:51]
mircea_popescu somebody's butthurt. [06:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Wordpress was their last weapon. [06:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Oh, they really care nao? [06:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the first ~2mn lines all carry the tell tale GET / HTTP/1.0" 508 7287 "-" "WordPress/4.0;; verifying pingback from headers. [06:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well, shitty botnet really, under 5k ips. [06:53]
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BingoBoingo Does rifle make sense as company expense at 500k IP botnet? [06:54]
asciilifeform lol pingback crud [06:55]
mircea_popescu people with 500k dont derpthis bad [06:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because at 500k zombies, rifle is expected [06:56]
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BingoBoingo Dreamhost party line [07:00]
assbot dpaste: 0295SB7 [07:00]
kakobrekla Jay Z? [07:01]
kakobrekla the keys are right next to each other [07:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3091 @ 0.00073858 = 2.283 BTC [+] [07:02]
mike_c how are you mitigating the attack? big ip ban lists? [07:03]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Mitigating with heft of ballsack atm [07:04]
mike_c that works too [07:04]
mircea_popescu mike_c 90% of the attack was mitigated simply by using a html file for root, instead of the php. guy did like 3 blasts before figuring it out. then it did a blast in which instead of / he called /index.php?[randnumber] [07:04]
mircea_popescu that resulted in a ban for any node calling the fucking obviously nonstandard url [07:05]
mike_c got it [07:05]
mircea_popescu at which point he moved to actual ddos as opposed to wordpress reflect crud, which is being mediated in the normal manner. [07:05]
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BingoBoingo Needhelp: Whachu need? [07:15]
Needhelp Thanks, are there any admins for bitbet here? [07:15]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla and mircea_popescu [07:16]
kakobrekla well speak son [07:17]
Needhelp Potential problem in the site with a finished bet. I think someone is trying to claim my bet is invalid in comments, but I think it is. [07:17]
BingoBoingo Needhelp: Which bet? [07:18]
Needhelp Was hoping someone could take a look and see if I'm an idiot and missing something, or if I'm right. [07:18]
BingoBoingo Also where is pankkake when you need a troll [07:18]
Needhelp Bet 1052 [07:18]
Needhelp About CME oil futures. [07:18]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [07:19]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.14, Best ask: 401.4, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 401.4, 24 hour volume: 25775.54639046, 24 hour low: 394.46, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 405.207115291 [07:19]
Needhelp If you read the comments, you should get both sides of the story. My bet is the last one in, someone is claiming it was after bet was determined, but the time stamps should show it was 38 minutes before the deciding trade. [07:20]
BingoBoingo Only 0.75 BTC [07:20]
assbot Savage Axis Bolt Action Rifle .30-06 Springfield 22" Barrel 4 Rounds Matte Black Synthetic Stock Matte Black Barrel [07:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nothing about btc on vendor's site... ? [07:26]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: For some tools, the only vendors don't care where money is headed because they have inventory [07:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: where i live there are gigantic markets where such hardware is bought and sold with cash [07:28]
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BingoBoingo Same around here [07:28]
asciilifeform though for certain arbitrary legal criteria (barrel too long, too short, too thick, something or other, IANAL) you have to fill out a form of some sort [07:29]
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BingoBoingo Well for price comparison though you need internet vendor [07:29]
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asciilifeform << mikroskope and lens both here at last. seen with common household objects for size reference. [07:39]
asciilifeform (i've misplaced the 3 of clubs in a moving crate somewhere, i think) [07:39]
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BingoBoingo So qntra suspended again [07:47]
cazalla good a time as any for a few beers i guess [07:51]
Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, doesn't look like it, I got a 403 now [07:51]
cazalla it did say suspended before, 403 now [07:53]
mircea_popescu cazalla nao ? [07:56]
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cazalla its back [07:57]
decimation asciilifeform: [07:57]
decimation seems legit. [07:57]
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decimation asciilifeform: << sorta like what you are building I guess "The built-in time/pressure dispenser handles both solder paste and adhesives, with a syringe vacuum control feature that can be adjusted to prevent low-viscosity liquids from dripping out of the syringe." << sounds dubious [08:03]
assbot Manual Pick and Place Machine: Manual SMT Placement Equipment: Low Cost Pick and Place [08:03]
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cazalla front page works, posts won't though mircea_popescu [08:04]
decimation lol it is listed on amazon for $4895 [08:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla you know how it is, give it a minute try again [08:05]
cazalla it has to be andreas, he's had enough [08:06]
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BingoBoingo Andreas would be a match for the timing [08:07]
mircea_popescu it's just about derpy enough to be any random redditard. [08:08]
BingoBoingo << Has rail like Derpshikov [08:08]
assbot Excel Arms MP-22 Semi Auto Handgun .22 Magnum 8.5" Barrel 9 Rounds Stainless Steel Black Adjustable Sights EA22301 [08:08]
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decimation what kind of rail should I buy for my ak? [08:13]
mircea_popescu crazy shit stick on all sides! [08:13]
mircea_popescu ;;isdown [08:13]
gribble Error: "isdown" is not a valid command. [08:13]
mircea_popescu ;;isitdown [08:14]
gribble is up [08:14]
mircea_popescu mkay then. [08:14]
mircea_popescu [08:15]
assbot Lawsky Stays Lulzy [08:15]
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mircea_popescu !up mpmcsweeney [08:21]
-assbot- You voiced mpmcsweeney for 30 minutes. [08:21]
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mpmcsweeney thank you :) [08:21]
* Adlai finally implements kraken's rate limit algorithm [08:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12959 @ 0.00073887 = 9.575 BTC [+] [08:22]
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mpmcsweeney you folks are the qntra team no? [08:23]
BingoBoingo Yes [08:23]
mpmcsweeney good stuff I read every day [08:23]
Adlai we folks are a strict superset of the qntra team [08:24]
mpmcsweeney crypto is the best story in technology yet [08:24]
BingoBoingo Adlai: You can submit a piece [08:24]
* Adlai is still thinking of ideas for that [08:25]
BingoBoingo Adlai: A wordpress alternative that runs in Emacs? [08:25]
Adlai eh? [08:25]
* Adlai would want to contribute an original article, not just paraphrase/edit shitty pieces from other sites [08:26]
Adlai not that i'm saying anybody has done that [08:26]
cazalla shots fired Adlai [08:26]
Adlai but i'm currently unable to produce "news" other than that [08:26]
mpmcsweeney hey man thats part of the process [08:26]
BingoBoingo Well take your time [08:26]
mpmcsweeney information is a great river [08:27]
cazalla i watched parts of that lawsky video [08:27]
* Adlai didn't, although he may go to an upcoming conference [08:27]
mpmcsweeney shit I wish we had 10 more crypto sites [08:27]
mpmcsweeney Bitell is very good for China stuff [08:27]
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Adlai is market analysis welcome on qntra? [08:28]
BingoBoingo Adlai: Sure [08:28]
* Adlai keeps that in mind [08:28]
Adlai at some point i want to make indicators based on the philosophy that my bot uses, since none of the existing ones exactly mirror this [08:28]
Adlai this process could make for some interesting posts as it happens "live", although i'm busy on other aspects atm [08:29]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [08:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.42, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.58000, Last trade: 398.8, 24 hour volume: 24837.71430735, 24 hour low: 394.46, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 405.142065291 [08:29]
BingoBoingo No report on breaking $400 today [08:29]
Apocalyptic so about this Mintpal critical bug, there was a guy in -otc some days ago claiming he found a bug [08:29]
Apocalyptic and was looking for a programmer to help him [08:29]
Apocalyptic [08:29]
assbot 0bin - encrypted pastebin [08:29]
cazalla Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat" [08:31]
cazalla mebe we can run a kickstarter BingoBoingo, what do you think [08:32]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Not unless one of us gets Obola [08:32]
mpmcsweeney just no sponsored content please [08:33]
mpmcsweeney some asshole was on Bloomberg TV talking about native advertising, its a real shame what has become of the written word [08:33]
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Adlai how about monthly ppv token auctions through colored coins? [08:38]
Adlai (or some other asset issuance thingy if you don't like colored coins) [08:38]
BingoBoingo Seems like interesting DOS mitigation tool [08:39]
Adlai the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt trilema's readership credit code to deal with them [08:39]
assbot Stiletto TICLW12 ClawBar Titanium Nail Puller - Stilletto Nail Puller - [08:39]
cazalla Adlai, why not just bitcoin instead? [08:42]
Adlai less risky for the blog administrators [08:42]
Adlai you can calculate exactly how much you need to raise to cover costs, and price readership tokens accordingly [08:43]
Adlai rather than hoping that revenue exceeds expenses [08:43]
asciilifeform decimation: manual pick&place << not the least bit like what i'm doing. that's just a frame where you move the carriage with hands. can't move to coordinates of known points. [08:44]
Adlai another way of looking at it: you auction off tokens to guage readership interest, then reserve hosting capacities accordingly [08:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Manul pick and place... once the immune system is worked out [08:44]
Adlai cazalla: tl;dr: a decentralized readership token offloads some risk from the administrators to the asset bagholders [08:44]
asciilifeform decimation: my apparatus is only manual in the sense that i lack the time/equipment to produce autofeeders, so the lifter must be guided over pre-popped tape manually. [08:45]
BingoBoingo hirsute cats... the future [08:45]
mpmcsweeney so full disclosure: I work for CoinDesk :) [08:46]
Apocalyptic heh [08:46]
mpmcsweeney happy to exit if y'all wish, but this seem slike a cool crypto forum and Id like to hang if possible [08:46]
BingoBoingo mpmcsweeney: It's ok I don't work [08:46]
asciilifeform and time/pressure dispensers drool (literally.) and suckback hose does not help - if set to a backpressure that actually has any effect, the contents of the syringe end up slowly sliding up, and eventually into the vacuum pump. schlurp. [08:46]
Adlai mpmcsweeney: anything you care to say publicly (this channel is logged) about their sponsored content practices? [08:47]
mpmcsweeney no sponsored content at CoinDesk [08:47]
Adlai didn't that one twit/redditor get an email back agreeing to publish a sponsored feature? [08:47]
mpmcsweeney my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies [08:47]
mpmcsweeney likely a scam [08:48]
* asciilifeform to bed. [08:48]
mpmcsweeney our only revenue generator currently are the recent ads we kicked off [08:48]
mpmcsweeney *generators [08:48]
BingoBoingo mpmcsweeney: You can hang here, just be aware that... Coindesk kind of does the sponsored content thing... The just do the plausible deniability thing too... [08:48]
mpmcsweeney howso? [08:48]
BingoBoingo It's been documented and I got drunk. [08:49]
BingoBoingo !s coindesk [08:49]
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assbot 182 results for 'coindesk' : [08:49]
BingoBoingo Somewhere up there [08:49]
BingoBoingo Is the answer [08:49]
mpmcsweeney hrm whenabouts was that? admittedly I have only been working here for 6 months [08:49]
BingoBoingo Well more concerning than sponsored content are the funder's other investments [08:49]
mpmcsweeney but to my knowledge (I used to be in the marketing content biz and I have asked) we've never gone down that road [08:49]
BingoBoingo ;;google crunchbase coindesk [08:50]
gribble CoinDesk | CrunchBase: ; Shakil Khan - Founder @ CoinDesk | CrunchBase: ; The CoinDesk Bitcoin Price Index | CrunchBase: [08:50]
cazalla robocoin runs windows xp as per [08:50]
assbot The Great Robocoin Rip-off [08:50]
mpmcsweeney haha I mean outside of BitPay I dont know too much about Khan's investments [08:50]
mpmcsweeney and that's never colored our reporting [08:51]
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BingoBoingo mpmcsweeney: There's just things people who came here before coindesk was worry about [08:51]
BingoBoingo !up mpmcsweeney [08:51]
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mpmcsweeney danke [08:51]
mpmcsweeney I guess my point is that there's honestly no influence to our reporting, at least as far as I as a reporter and editor can tell -- and Im intimately involved in the process [08:52]
mpmcsweeney and never once has any pressure about anthing come down from my superiors [08:53]
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mpmcsweeney *anything [08:53]
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cazalla i know nothing [08:54]
mpmcsweeney I dunno, I do this for story telling, its a good industry [08:54]
mpmcsweeney and its good to meet others who share that enthusiasm :D [08:55]
cazalla how much do coindesk pay for articles mpmcschultz [08:55]
mpmcsweeney when I was a freelancer it was more or less $10 every 100 words [08:55]
mpmcsweeney nowadays I make a monthly salary [08:56]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah I think your solution is definitely better than the $5k machine I linked. I doubt anyone makes something like it, and if they did it wouldn't be cheap [08:59]
Adlai coinbase don't pay in shares? :P [08:59]
mpmcsweeney coinbase pays in phylacteries [09:00]
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mpmcsweeney night all - good talking to u [09:02]
Apocalyptic thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at!" from [09:02]
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cazalla and qntra is suspended again [09:03]
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Adlai holy shit, intersection right outside my door is flooded up to the windshields of private cars [09:39]
Adlai guess who isn't going to work today? [09:40]
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thickasthieves <+Apocalyptic> thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at!" from /// done. removed the hitbtc one too [09:42]
thickasthieves mpmcsweeney link to your articles? [09:43]
thickasthieves [09:44]
assbot Stan Higgins - Reporter, CoinDesk [09:44]
thickasthieves such clipart [09:46]
thickasthieves that's a lotta articles [09:48]
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mircea_popescu Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat" << that was at some point the counter ran [09:56]
mircea_popescu it's more like 40ish gb really [09:56]
mircea_popescu the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt trilema's readership credit code to deal with them << [09:56]
assbot Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:57]
thickasthieves i like stuff coinprism is doing, in style mostly, but, like always, no one actually gives a shit about colored coins [09:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25317 @ 0.00073411 = 18.5855 BTC [-] {4} [09:59]
thickasthieves i assume ya'llready know is down [09:59]
mircea_popescu yeah it's taking a short break [09:59]
mircea_popescu mpmcsweeney: my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies << that's bs, you know it, i know it, why even bother with it ? [10:00]
* Adlai is a recently liberated corporate slaveboi! =_= [10:00]
mircea_popescu nobody particularly cares if you stay or go, but people wil get pretty aggravated by this sort of pr/party line approach. the reason this is a cool forum is exactly not allowing that sorta crap. [10:01]
mircea_popescu Adlai o yeah ? where'd you work ? [10:01]
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Adlai mircea_popescu: your article mainly addresses problems with decentralized security systems as a replacement for high-frequency exchanges. i think it's still possible to issue tokens such as readership credits (or movie tickets, etc) in this fashion, since their market is a lot less dependant upon dedicated market makers [10:02]
Adlai (the companies issuing and accepting the tokens are forced to act as market makers) [10:02]
mircea_popescu so it's not dependent on them then. [10:03]
mircea_popescu what is this reddit logic. [10:03]
* Adlai worked analytics at and "research" at [10:04]
assbot PlayScape | A New Kind of Publisher [10:04]
assbot Autodesk Israel R&D Center [10:04]
mircea_popescu too lazy to dig, but how diod they end ? acquihire ? simple burnout ? [10:05]
Adlai playscape has been burning VC money for years and downsized 33%, autodesk terminated my employment due to "being unable to accomodate working from home or at odd hours" [10:05]
mircea_popescu o.O [10:06]
* Adlai refuses to work even-numbered hours [10:06]
mircea_popescu lol [10:06]
mircea_popescu so research what, derping on google analytics and whatever other clickbezzlor node.js websites ? [10:07]
Adlai custom stack handrolled from google bigquery and excel glued together with mutant python scripst [10:08]
mircea_popescu but basically, counting fake clicks all day ? [10:09]
Adlai impressions, purchases, which players downloaded which additional games after finishing which levels, etc [10:09]
Adlai i dealt mostly with making data accessible for my boss, so he could perform the actual analysis [10:09]
Adlai don't have too much interesting to say about it, i'd rather discuss decentralized assets [10:12]
Adlai i'm far from convinced they're good for anything, but the only way to really know is by watching them break under stress/attacks [10:12]
Adlai you could also auction qntra credits through a centralized system, that aspect of my suggestion isn't dependent upon decentralized issuance [10:16]
thickasthieves just use bitcoin [10:19]
thickasthieves ta-da! [10:20]
thickasthieves (or Altcoin) [10:20]
mircea_popescu Adlai you know this is like... done already. right ? [10:20]
Adlai not really, i'm only familiar with qntra et al for what, three days? [10:21]
Adlai so if i mention stuff that's already done, please just point it out [10:21]
mircea_popescu wasn't i reading a bevy of suggestions from you above tho ? [10:21]
Adlai you probably were. i can shut up if that's what you're asking me to do. [10:22]
mircea_popescu i'm not. i'm instead kloinking you over the head for the add-water-and-stir suggestion dust you got. [10:22]
mircea_popescu are they supposed to work just like that, in principle, don't even need to know what you're suggesting about or anything ? [10:22]
Adlai are what supposed to work just like how? [10:23]
mircea_popescu let's build a simulacra. [10:24]
mircea_popescu guy in the hospital. adlai talks to doctor : this dude should get casts. casts are cool. doctor to adlai : did you see his xrays ? adlai umm... no. but casts are cool. [10:24]
mircea_popescu see the problem with the approach ? [10:24]
* Adlai would probably not get invited into the operating theatre just for walking around outside the hospital with an anatomy coloring book [10:25]
mircea_popescu a discussion of casts is entirely spurious. the problem's the approach. [10:25]
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Adlai +mircea_popescu | so research what, << oh, if you were asking what i did at autodesk, it was much more interesting [10:30]
Adlai i worked on connecting to the backend powering [10:30]
assbot Dynamo BIM [10:30]
assbot Project Shapeshifter [10:30]
mircea_popescu all the shit i never heard of o.O [10:31]
Adlai essentially, got paid to learn C++ and C#. not things i'd like to use in new projects, but still good tools to have [10:32]
mircea_popescu Adlai this isn't the amazon thing is it ? [10:32]
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mircea_popescu you're not old enough to be talking of that "limits to growth" retardation [10:34]
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Adlai no, dynamo is a scripting engine for vasari/revit (BIM tools aka CAD for architects/engineers), shapeshifter is a generative modeling library for making things like [photo incoming...] [10:35]
Adlai what "limits to growth" retardation? [10:35]
Adlai will gribble kick me for an imgur link here? [10:35]
mircea_popescu there was this first pass of algoreism, "golf club" patternism and all the rest of the retardation [10:36]
mircea_popescu it was written in either algol or cobol i forget, and was supposed to be a big deal for rich hippies in the 70s [10:36]
mircea_popescu no. [10:36]
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Adlai "when all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" type thinking? [10:37]
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mircea_popescu ;;google rome club limits to growth dynamo [10:38]
gribble The Limits to Growth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; DYNAMO (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; World3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [10:38]
Adlai no relation to that. [10:38]
mircea_popescu !s autodesk [10:39]
assbot 4 results for 'autodesk' : [10:39]
Vexual excuse the interjection, but for the love of god>>> xinxi: cazalla university of melbourne and ANU, which one is better?>>> ANU [10:42]
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Vexual they do gold too [15:13]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:13]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.64, Best ask: 398.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 396.61, 24 hour volume: 22780.62197345, 24 hour low: 386.68, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 400.380297893 [15:13]
thickasthieves hehe i like this typo "its not a bug, its a future" [15:14]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'insta-zap' this reminds me of the poor, self-deluding fuckers who work at a defense contractor client of mine. "it's different somehow if there's a *camera* on the flying robot", never mind that the algo's to point a gun are a quadratic estimation away from the algos to lock a camera [15:15]
thickasthieves works nice for all these vulns being 'discovered' [15:15]
ben_vulpes "it's different somehow if we write 'pure' code to do flight path planning", never mind that the flight paths are for killing [15:15]
ben_vulpes just pick up a gun and be done with it, ye hypocritical nerds [15:15]
mircea_popescu CME Site use GMT-5. CME Charts use GMT-4. << lmao the shit bitbet admin has to put up with [15:16]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you got your finger on a sore spot there. [15:16]
ben_vulpes this is the "curse of the cool problem" that these over-educated CS people must endure. cannot simply work in salt mines, 'cause inadequately intellectually fulfilling. instead, sell soul to devil, lie about it to self for the duration of life. [15:17]
mircea_popescu hey. it's adequate to their needs and aspirations. [15:17]
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ben_vulpes tellingly, none of them will touch btc. [15:17]
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ben_vulpes "too volatile". [15:17]
ben_vulpes "no economists". [15:17]
mircea_popescu the entire "shit in your mouth and think about how you're not" thing definitely manages to keep a bunch of intelligently stupid folk busy. [15:18]
mircea_popescu the best makework the devil ever invented. beats the shit out of painting rocks white then turning them over [15:18]
ben_vulpes poor children, unable to comprehend the world for themselves without someone there instructing them on what to parse from the atoms a-knocking. [15:18]
ben_vulpes "we need safe-by-construction computers in this application. here's 10M." [15:19]
ben_vulpes ('safe-by-construction', 'correct-by-construction' - as asciilifeform points out time and time again, these are impossibilities). [15:19]
ben_vulpes they do enjoy themselves, and the USG keeps otherwise brilliant and hardworking people from being useful at large. [15:20]
mircea_popescu exactly the wordpress problem, repeated. [15:20]
nubbins` otherwise brilliant 8) [15:20]
nubbins` he's brilliant, except for the fucking idiot part [15:20]
mircea_popescu because a bunch of asswipes are pushing out insecure code, and because a bunch of imbeciles heart those assholes, [15:20]
mircea_popescu people can't run websites. [15:20]
mircea_popescu this is the entire us system, at its core. [15:20]
Vexual [15:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` happens atrociously often. [15:21]
nubbins` no kidding [15:21]
ben_vulpes bright folks are easily deluded outside their areas of competence [15:22]
mircea_popescu and you know, everyone's hope is that they will live for long enough in a pile of goop made out of copies of themselves big enough that they won't ever have to go face to face with those "evil sociopaths" and "trolls" [15:23]
mircea_popescu yet something tells me the recent beheadings aren't excesses, but merely the early drops of a coming avalanche. [15:23]
penguirker New blog post: [15:23]
penguirker New blog post: [15:23]
penguirker New blog post: [15:23]
penguirker New blog post: [15:23]
Vexual ive decided the pray away the gay tapes are working sine i learned you have a sister [15:24]
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nubbins` ben_vulpes: that's pretty much btc space in a nutshell [15:24]
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ben_vulpes nubbins`: whole world, really [15:24]
* nubbins` nods [15:25]
Vexual oh shit i am kill [15:25]
ben_vulpes cazalla: "per se" [15:25]
ben_vulpes (lawsky) [15:25]
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thickasthieves p3s1 on lawsky article is missing quotes [15:26]
ben_vulpes step it up, chief [15:27]
thickasthieves also has license mispelled once [15:27]
nubbins` lisence [15:27]
nubbins` lysense [15:27]
mircea_popescu the lynsolence! [15:27]
ben_vulpes lisene [15:28]
nubbins` lycopene [15:29]
ben_vulpes you mispelled it, nubbins` [15:29]
thickasthieves btw site pages are loading fast for me now [15:30]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves what is it that they were calling it, "a war something or the other" [15:32]
ben_vulpes mmm launch day [15:32]
ben_vulpes up at 4.20, caffinated by 5.30 [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9707 @ 0.00073379 = 7.1229 BTC [-] [15:32]
nubbins` 5:30 :0 [15:32]
Vexual i get caffinated before i wake [15:32]
nubbins` somebody lives on the west coast [15:33]
nubbins` it's 10am here [15:33]
ben_vulpes he maths! he timezones! he prints shirts! [15:33]
ben_vulpes the one, the only, the inimitable! [15:33]
nubbins` Vexual i used to, but the IV kept ripping out of my arm while i slept [15:33]
bounce thought that coast was deserted except for the hippies [15:33]
ben_vulpes nah, it's where the programmers with a care for cost and quality of living reside [15:33]
nubbins` ben_vulpes: the peerless, the incomparable... [15:33]
thickasthieves war on intelligence? [15:34]
thickasthieves not sure what u refer to [15:34]
ben_vulpes thickasthieves: yourself as well :P [15:34]
nubbins` ;;google it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom [15:34]
gribble Bill Hicks - War on drugs - YouTube: ; BILL HICKS WAR ON DRUGS - YouTube: ; Bill Hicks - War On Drugs - YouTube: [15:34]
thickasthieves myself as well? [15:35]
ben_vulpes not sure what u refer to [15:35]
thickasthieves whas gonon hea? [15:35]
nubbins` suppose i should roll down the hill to pick up that pantone swatchbook [15:35]
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Vexual [15:38]
ben_vulpes wah.. i searched for it in the logs and everything :< << good example of the persistent connection's utility. [15:38]
ben_vulpes one can search, copy, paste, etc without relying on other's mystery meat. [15:38]
ben_vulpes (or leaving the comfort of emacs, if one's so inclined...) [15:38]
Vexual do you mean outdoors? [15:39]
ben_vulpes i emacs outdoors [15:40]
Vexual thats right, you do it in bars [15:40]
ben_vulpes i do it wherever i pleases! it, *and* emacs. [15:41]
Vexual straight pimpin [15:41]
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ben_vulpes [15:41]
assbot JAY-Z - Big Pimpin' ft. UGK - YouTube [15:41]
ben_vulpes i ain't got no patience... [15:42]
ben_vulpes a terrarium for its snakes << DOCKER, YOU FOOLS [15:43]
ben_vulpes you're going to put python on an actual system? [15:44]
kakobrekla docker is scam. [15:44]
* ben_vulpes quakes in boots [15:44]
ben_vulpes python is scam [15:44]
kakobrekla scam is scam. [15:44]
kakobrekla shit abstractions all the way down to the metal. [15:45]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes just so you know, i'm writing an article because of you. [15:46]
ben_vulpes wrap the shit in shit [15:46]
* ben_vulpes quakes again [15:46]
Vexual this drowns out the sound of town cars that obviosly aren't mercs [15:46]
Vexual i am frighten [15:46]
ben_vulpes on a more serious note, i've gotten really great mileage from using docker to santize insane client django stacks [15:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00073725 = 19.4265 BTC [+] {2} [15:46]
* ben_vulpes looks through requirements.txt, sees PIL, GEOS, reaches for docker [15:47]
kakobrekla the thing you need to ditch first from above is the 'client' part [15:47]
ben_vulpes gotta eat, kakobrekla [15:47]
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ben_vulpes didn't get in early enough on btctrain [15:47]
kakobrekla excuses [15:47]
ben_vulpes got a big list [15:48]
kakobrekla :) [15:48]
ben_vulpes almost as long as my schlong [15:48]
ben_vulpes hey, it's the one thing we're actually taught in usschool [15:48]
ben_vulpes how to dodge responsiblity for our own poor decisions [15:48]
kakobrekla heh [15:48]
ben_vulpes oh hey subject of personal responsibility, i saw a direct report's eyes glaze over with adoration and loyalty last night [15:50]
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ben_vulpes "no no, this is my fault because x, y, z" {x,y,z} being things outside her control and knowledge that she expected to be held responsible for [15:50]
ben_vulpes tempered with a brief glare signifying "don't do this to me again." [15:51]
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punkman just dusted off ancient juicer, still works [15:53]
ben_vulpes OH SO THE METAL HALIDE STORY [15:54]
ben_vulpes went to grow store, was sorely disappointed by potheads unable to comprehend the utility of grow lights in a warehouse cum office situation and unable to make purchasing recommendations that fell within a reasonable price/quality zone [15:55]
ben_vulpes went to home depot (BEZZLE CENTRAL, APPARENTLY) [15:55]
ben_vulpes options for lighting are: [15:56]
ben_vulpes CFL [15:56]
ben_vulpes CFL in housing that doesn't look like a CFL [15:56]
Vexual plamsa [15:56]
ben_vulpes CFL in packaging that FAILS TO DISCLOSE CFL INTERNALS [15:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00073815 = 10.7032 BTC [+] {2} [15:57]
ben_vulpes LED bundles [15:57]
ben_vulpes and ofc halogen and metal halide bulbs but NO GODDAMN BALLASTS [15:57]
punkman "hello I want a 60watt bulb" "here take this 7 watt stealth CFL, same thing" [15:57]
punkman fuckers [15:58]
ben_vulpes "hello i want to dissipate 60 watts" [15:58]
Vexual [15:58]
ben_vulpes "surely you mean you want the equivalent amount of light from this tiny little zone in the spectrum" [15:58]
ben_vulpes "no asshole i want a black body emitter" [15:58]
Vexual photosythetic active radiation [16:00]
bounce "heat bulbs" [16:02]
assbot Heatbulbs - The lightbulbs for heating & lightbulbs for decoration [16:02]
Vexual whaadday got lizards? [16:02]
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bounce just out of idle curiosity, why the preference for tungsten? [16:04]
Vexual ya want a philips plasma thing [16:04]
Vexual hoi [16:04]
kakobrekla about half of my bulbs at home are led [16:06]
kakobrekla cfl in the bathroom cause slow start [16:06]
Vexual i bought all leds a while back nd they're all harsh blue [16:06]
bounce the ones in use most here are halogen-variety tungsten [16:07]
Vexual they make em in any colour now [16:07]
mircea_popescu the one, the only, the inimitable! << now reimplement it in gaskell. [16:07]
kakobrekla punkman subdomain should be live [16:08]
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punkman kakobrekla: yeah getting to that [16:10]
assbot RagnarDanneskjol: !deed - [16:10]
mircea_popescu "hello I want a 60watt bulb" "here take this 7 watt stealth CFL, same thing" << lol yup. commerce now meas bait and switch apparently. [16:11]
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kakobrekla i think i found a bug in DO billing script [16:11]
Vexual oldest trcik in the book [16:11]
kakobrekla scam everywhere [16:12]
mircea_popescu just out of idle curiosity, why the preference for tungsten? <<< goes with the preference for emacs. old thing proven to work well. [16:12]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the wonderful world of computing is becoming dangerous for people able to think on their own. [16:12]
bounce that wasn't why I was asking [16:12]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu one day ill cut the cable never to return. [16:13]
mircea_popescu that'll be sad. [16:13]
mircea_popescu bounce sorry, what did i miss ? [16:13]
bounce sometimes there's specific reasons why alternatives just won't do. "old and proven" doesn't mean the alternative won't work. [16:14]
Vexual my phatographer says tungsten and halogen are diddimilar [16:14]
mircea_popescu bounce but you were asking why the preference [16:15]
mircea_popescu did you mean to ask "why do you think the alternative won't work" ? [16:15]
bounce no, I wanted to know which, if any, specific reason would apply for him. [16:15]
mircea_popescu well that's a point. [16:15]
Vexual [16:16]
mircea_popescu ok this bill hicks thing works lol [16:16]
mircea_popescu "how about that, people are winning a war and they're fucked up" [16:17]
punkman incandescents not that great in the summer [16:17]
punkman and who has time to switch them [16:17]
bounce secondary ligthing circuits with a master switch in the basement. suddenly, all the light switches control a different set of lamps [16:19]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever lived in a room small enough that the lighting fixtures made a noticeable difference. [16:19]
mircea_popescu and for the record, i routinely use 200W incandescents etc. [16:20]
kakobrekla lemme guess, bulb sex? [16:20]
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Vexual thats not a thing [16:21]
mircea_popescu lol no dude, high ceilings [16:22]
penguirker New blog post: [16:23]
Vexual [16:23]
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mircea_popescu holy shit. keith richards is still alive ? [16:28]
mircea_popescu i wonder what his heroin habit looks like by now. [16:29]
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Vexual under control i guess [16:29]
mircea_popescu prolly has a can the size of dry protein economy packs. [16:29]
mircea_popescu "eight tablespoonfulls should do" [16:29]
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Vexual amy winehouse only died coz she slowed up [16:34]
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mircea_popescu prolly. [16:34]
pete_dushenski howdy [16:35]
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mircea_popescu how's canada ? [16:35]
pete_dushenski now that qntra has brought wp and hosting to top of mind, and after i changed hosting platforms, i noticed something odd on my stats page... [16:36]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the days are getting waaay shorter. no more 11pm sunsets ;( [16:36]
mircea_popescu o cuz winter coming up there huh ? [16:36]
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mircea_popescu im buying light linen suits over here. [16:37]
mircea_popescu Adlai: automated extraction of 3d movements from professional porn and cloud-based rendering of your nudes in their place? << o.O [16:37]
Vexual you in oz pete? [16:37]
pete_dushenski the oddity is that this ( is the "top download" [16:37]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not really odd on a new and rapidly growing site. [16:37]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: surely enough. yellow leaves are clinging on for dear life. [16:37]
mircea_popescu Vexual: big first week huh? << huge, but apparently it's a 2nd week. [16:38]
Vexual oh, i dont do time [16:38]
mircea_popescu lmao [16:38]
mircea_popescu did i rate this guy even [16:38]
mircea_popescu ;;rated Vexual [16:38]
gribble You have not yet rated user Vexual [16:38]
pete_dushenski also, awstats is so blatantly superior to any wp plugin i've ever seen. amazing i'm just finding it now! [16:38]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:38]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Vexual he don't do time, for ain't no one here got time for that. [16:38]
gribble Error: 'he' is not a valid integer. [16:38]
pete_dushenski Vexual: i'm in canuckistan. [16:39]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski myeah. also, wp plugins are generally trouble [16:39]
mircea_popescu trilema runs on like... two. [16:39]
Vexual a month off yyoure dead [16:39]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Vexual 1 he don't do time, for ain't no one here got time for that. [16:39]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [16:39]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:40]
Vexual [16:40]
mircea_popescu assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off <<< eagerly awaiting the qntra write-up because is too js-y for me. [16:41]
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pete_dushenski heya Pierre_Rochard ! [16:42]
mircea_popescu !up Pierre_Rochard [16:42]
-assbot- You voiced Pierre_Rochard for 30 minutes. [16:42]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard [16:42]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014 [16:42]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves: just do money exchange desks << this is exactly what i'm doing. [16:43]
Vexual what does pierre rochard do? [16:43]
mircea_popescu it requires competence tho. [16:43]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off <<< eagerly awaiting the qntra write-up because is too js-y for me. << i know two guys who bought these. one of them actually pgps. maybe an interview can be arranged by cazalla or bingoboingo? [16:43]
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Vexual !up namworld [16:43]
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mircea_popescu i guess so, even though... how's the interview of a bagholder supposed to go ? [16:43]
pete_dushenski Vexual: Pierre_Rochard works at bitpay [16:43]
Pierre_Rochard ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard [16:43]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014 [16:43]
thickasthieves !s vancleef [16:43]
assbot 2051 results for 'vancleef' : [16:43]
pete_dushenski ;;rated Pierre_Rochard [16:44]
gribble You have not yet rated user Pierre_Rochard [16:44]
danielpbarron ben_vulpes, yeah; i shoulda checked my own version of the logs, or better yet, scroll up one page.. :/ [16:46]
pete_dushenski ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 il a la tête sur les épaules [16:46]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded. [16:46]
Vexual qntra comments: leah:source? cazalla:snarky sunt! [16:46]
pete_dushenski ;;rated kako [16:46]
gribble You have not yet rated user kako [16:46]
pete_dushenski ;;rated kakobrekla [16:47]
gribble You rated user kakobrekla on Fri Jun 27 18:12:54 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: greaser of #bitcoin-assets wheels. hasn't run off with bitbets. [16:47]
pete_dushenski ;;rate kakobrekla 3 runs bitbet like a champ. #bitcoin-assets bots too. [16:48]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3. [16:48]
Vexual ive never spilled by breakfast whisky reading coindesk [16:48]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: interview goes "i would never do this again because las vegas derp is a so-and-so" [16:49]
thickasthieves what tips your whiskey these days? [16:49]
pete_dushenski anyways, i'm still confused by this /robots/txt thing. don't know how it got there, if it's bad mkay, or why it would attract hits/downloads. [16:50]
mircea_popescu `jurov`: weird. clicked on comment, again 404 << sounds like some weird yet elusive dns issue. [16:51]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski robots.txt is by convention a file which describes the site owner's view on robots [16:51]
mircea_popescu ie, who, what and how much is acceptable to download. well behaved robots honor it. google does. [16:52]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: a well til. ty! [16:53]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive << see [16:54]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:54]
assbot Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [16:54]
thickasthieves BRK-A down 1.6%! [16:54]
mircea_popescu o noes [16:54]
thickasthieves :) [16:54]
RagnarDanneskjol [16:54]
assbot Assessing Macro Risks For The 4 Most Important Berkshire/Buffett Stocks | Seeking Alpha [16:54]
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mircea_popescu what is he even holding, i forget. chewing gum, hfcs water and what ? [16:55]
mircea_popescu zippers and buttons ? [16:55]
thickasthieves wells fargo [16:55]
RagnarDanneskjol WFC, KO, AXP, and IBM [16:55]
pete_dushenski thickasthieves: and ebola is picking up the slack! [16:56]
assbot Ebola Spurs Lakelands Stock Rally, Adding $118 Million - Yahoo Finance [16:56]
thickasthieves lol [16:56]
mircea_popescu wfc is purely symbolic, just an ombillicum to daddy govt [16:56]
Vexual if i might descibe some symolism [16:56]
thickasthieves wfc does at least seems to be one of the banks moving along better than most [16:56]
thickasthieves horrible logo tho [16:57]
thickasthieves destined to fail by logo [16:57]
mircea_popescu hahaha what a winchel analysis [16:58]
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Vexual ;;google winchel [16:59]
gribble Walter Winchell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Winchel Irrigation: ; Beki Winchel (@bekiweki) | Twitter: [16:59]
Vexual dat it? [16:59]
mircea_popescu yeah [16:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, nfi what ibm is supposed to do for anyone. [16:59]
pete_dushenski << if anyone is interested in catching a glimpse of contravex's awstats since hosting move on sunday :D [16:59]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [16:59]
mircea_popescu from what i gather it's mostly a real estate play by now. sort of catholic church [17:00]
thickasthieves IBM probly just makes compuers for NSA and DARPA [17:00]
mircea_popescu hardly [17:00]
thickasthieves then wtf do they do [17:00]
thickasthieves hehe [17:00]
mircea_popescu jesus this seeking alpha bs... let's make a derpy article 14 pages long so everyone reding an article does 14+ clicks [17:00]
thickasthieves make chess robots? [17:00]
mircea_popescu so then we can lie to the advertisers better [17:00]
bounce sell software and consulting "services" [17:01]
mircea_popescu ^ [17:01]
Vexual ;;google the significance of the pickle [17:01]
gribble Arlo Guthrie - Motorcycle (Significance of the Pickle) - YouTube: ; Arlo Guthrie - The Motorcycle Song (The Significance Of The Pickle ...: ; Arlo Guthrie – Motorcycle (Significance Of The Pickle) Song – Listen ...: (1 more message) [17:01]
mircea_popescu basically they're a fatter, older ben_vulpes [17:01]
Vexual lol [17:01]
bounce get in on the ground floor! invest nao! [17:01]
mircea_popescu a olook at that. seekingalpha sends me a popup with no close button [17:01]
mircea_popescu dude this shit... [17:01]
Vexual well i could tell you the significance of the mickey mouse [17:02]
bounce even the mainframe business exists mostly to charge 35k+/month for the licences, or something to that tune [17:02]
kakobrekla scam here scam there [17:03]
kakobrekla pump n dumpers [17:03]
Vexual ;;ticker [17:03]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.97, Best ask: 398.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.46000, Last trade: 398.43, 24 hour volume: 22403.83407178, 24 hour low: 386.68, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 400.117740165 [17:03]
Adlai Vexual: now that's a song i haven't heard in a looooong time [17:03]
bounce maybe should check some spam archive or other to see if there's secret pennystock buy recommendations pumping eurusd [17:04]
mircea_popescu lol ewro is up nao ? [17:04]
kakobrekla totally [17:04]
mircea_popescu seems legit [17:04]
kakobrekla uhum [17:04]
Vexual since down yesterday? [17:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla so how much did you save your investors by closing the thing by now ? 5% ? [17:04]
kakobrekla if we were to continue as it was? [17:05]
thickasthieves kako did they get you with that pump? [17:06]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> ok this bill hicks thing works lol << guy was a sage [17:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes. [17:06]
mircea_popescu cazalla can you explain that 4plebs img thing ? i dun have the context. [17:07]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu with that last adjustments that were made about flat, without them prolly worse than -5% but i havent checked really [17:07]
kakobrekla thickasthieves from the chart id say i got them [17:08]
thickasthieves is there a list of winchellese phrases and words anywhere? [17:08]
thickasthieves never heard of the guy til now [17:08]
thickasthieves sounds fun [17:08]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves sure, people've done studies [17:08]
Vexual [17:08]
mircea_popescu doubt anything online tho [17:08]
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thickasthieves omg why is the internet so lacking in what i want [17:09]
mircea_popescu ;;google "and all the ships at sea" [17:09]
gribble Walter Winchell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Walter Winchell - Wikiquote: ; Good Evening Mr. and Mrs. America, and All the Ships at Sea: Novel ...: [17:09]
thickasthieves cut from the berra cloth a but [17:11]
thickasthieves bit [17:11]
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nubbins` ships at sea, huh [17:12]
nubbins` ;;google playin my music on the submarines and the boats [17:12]
gribble ODB - I Can't Wait (Big Baby Jesus) - YouTube: ; Ol' Dirty Bastard - I Can't Wait Lyrics | MetroLyrics: ; War in the Boats: My WWII Submarine Battles ...: [17:12]
mircea_popescu Adlai: oh durban. another friend got deported from there... this appears to be the national pastime for my age group << how da fuck do you get deported FROM durban [17:13]
mircea_popescu isn't that where they send you ? [17:13]
nubbins` ;;google durban poison [17:13]
gribble Durban Poison Strain Information - Leafly: ; Cannabis Encyclopedia strain review: Durban Poison | Marijuana ...: ; Durban Poison // Expert Strain Reviews & Photos - 91LIFE: [17:13]
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Vexual indeed, durban seems like a final destination [17:14]
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nubbins` durban poison sounds fucking great [17:14]
Vexual say that on the flipside [17:14]
nubbins` can't, don't have any [17:14]
nubbins` it's all kush here in .ca [17:15]
Vexual ergot final destination [17:15]
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mircea_popescu << this has more volume than the last argentine exchange, recently closed down [17:17]
assbot BitBet - Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th) :: 7.4 B (42%) on Yes, 10.14 B (58%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 4 days | weight: 46`339 (100`000 to 1) [17:17]
mircea_popescu unisomething [17:17]
nubbins` [17:17]
assbot Ergot and its effect on your wheat grade [17:17]
nubbins` more like ergot and its effect on your chemistry lab, amirite? [17:17]
thickasthieves that durban poison looks like something i'd eat [17:17]
nubbins` looks like something i'd smoke [17:18]
Vexual yeah but going to za for durban is like going to tokyo for hamburgers [17:19]
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Vexual you'll try it and ou know it'll be good, but it's not why you're there [17:20]
Vexual [17:22]
nubbins` heh [17:22]
nubbins` decided to try adding pigment to silver base today [17:23]
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nubbins` [17:23]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [17:23]
nubbins` verdict: not too shabby [17:24]
mircea_popescu aaaannnd ddos is back. round... i forget, 7 ? 8 ? [17:24]
nubbins` bbl bank appt [17:24]
kakobrekla hack into nsa and host it there [17:25]
mike_c has the responsible party taken credit for the qntra harrassment? [17:25]
kakobrekla yesterday reddit police came by yes [17:26]
mike_c those guys must be really bored. get mp kicked off twitter! ddos qntra! [17:26]
mircea_popescu lol [17:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i doubt the nsa is actually strong enough. their entire shtick is security through obscurantism [17:27]
mircea_popescu or whatever it's spilled. [17:27]
mircea_popescu shit im on a punroll. [17:27]
Vexual typoing liek a champ [17:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, the "reddit police" was the earlier, muchly belulzed trilema ddos. [17:28]
mircea_popescu this actually was... goat ? [17:28]
mircea_popescu !s goat [17:28]
assbot 565 results for 'goat' : [17:28]
kakobrekla !s police [17:28]
assbot 653 results for 'police' : [17:28]
Vexual ! goat + police [17:28]
mircea_popescu <<< [17:28]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2014 02:39:56; DowntimeBsns: i'm goat [17:28]
kakobrekla [17:28]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2014 02:37:22; BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police? [17:28]
kakobrekla [17:28]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2014 02:37:27; DowntimeBsns: yes [17:28]
mike_c uh, is resolving to localhost? [17:29]
kakobrekla i havent heard this guy 'sueing' anyone - so not goat. [17:29]
kakobrekla at least no chaang goat [17:29]
kakobrekla some other goat perhaps [17:29]
mircea_popescu mebbe. on the other hand, the absolutely only person who would care enough about goat to name goat would be goat himself. [17:29]
mike_c i got srsly weirded out there. went to and the btcalpha rss feed came up. [17:30]
mircea_popescu o.O [17:30]
chetty ooo marketwatch is down, but I got an email dow is bleeding bad [17:30]
kakobrekla goat the chaang doesnt have ddos capabilities [17:30]
kakobrekla he can hardly import private key [17:30]
Vexual he doesnt have a post to tie himself to [17:30]
mircea_popescu he can suck cock, can't he ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu this is all derpy anyway, a kid with a wp list and a lousy 3.5kish botnet. [17:31]
Vexual it might be huff [17:31]
kakobrekla well he can but sucking a cock is not a crime. [17:32]
Vexual might be fuckin news ltd [17:32]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla not a crime, but a means of payment [17:33]
mircea_popescu gets you a pack of ciggs or w/e. [17:33]
Vexual is he incarceraed? [17:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9375 @ 0.00073347 = 6.8763 BTC [-] [17:33]
mircea_popescu just stuck in thailand. [17:33]
Vexual lol [17:33]
mike_c not sure if this is part of fighting attack, but feed is returning 403. [17:34]
assbot 403 Forbidden [17:34]
mircea_popescu chetty 16116.85 -198.34 (-1.22%) ? [17:34]
mircea_popescu if anyone wants on the whitelist you can just pm me an ip. [17:35]
mats_cd03 it seems nobody has noticed all of the bugs patched today haven't been properly fixed [17:36]
`jurov` punkman: what if coinbr issues you redeemable signed receipt in exchange for your shares, [17:36]
mats_cd03 they could be used for remote exploitation, e.g. non-browser, non-document things [17:36]
`jurov` that entitles you (or anyone who has it) for delivery of these assets to their coinbr acct within 14 days of redemption, plus any dividends in meantime? [17:36]
chetty eh -198, that not so bad [17:36]
mats_cd03 if u r a 0day hunter... get on it and make some monaaaay [17:36]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 why does it seem nobody has noticed lol [17:37]
mats_cd03 well, they weren't patched. thats mostly why. [17:37]
mircea_popescu jurov that leading quote is the substance of annoying. anyway, "anyone who has it" can backfire massively. [17:37]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 o you meant by the victims, nm. [17:38]
`jurov` um... it's up to him to keep it secret, no? [17:38]
`jurov` or he can give it to someone else [17:39]
Vexual [17:39]
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`jurov` he has to trust me i won't leak it anyway, not sure if that can be solved [17:40]
mircea_popescu better if you require explicit assignation [17:40]
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mircea_popescu not to mention it motivates him to finish the deeds thing already :D [17:41]
`jurov` i'm trying to figure out a way for poor qntra writers to have their shares, too, while avoiding freeloading [17:42]
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mircea_popescu i know. but i mean, issue it in his name/gpg key, and require that in order for a third party to benefit, there must be a deeds registered, signed assignation [17:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2175 @ 0.00073457 = 1.5977 BTC [+] [17:44]
`jurov` yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" [17:45]
`jurov` and then empty accounts don't pay monthly fee [17:45]
Vexual this is like when my car bacfired out the front of the meachanics shop and they thought i had a gun [17:46]
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punkman `jurov`: I had pretty much the same idea, was gonna ask [17:46]
punkman maybe I fund and account at coinbr with 0.1 and you mark it as frozen? [17:46]
Vexual nah man, im here to give you money [17:46]
kakobrekla ;;seen smickles [17:46]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs [17:46]
`jurov` punkman thing is, it isn't coded yet. so far we can just make a deed about the loan with above conditions (14 day redemption) [17:47]
mircea_popescu <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" <<< this may be a better idea, run your own fund i guess [17:48]
`jurov` and you'll need an acct only on redemption [17:48]
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punkman ;;ident `jurov` [17:48]
gribble Nick '`jurov`', with hostmask '`jurov`!', is not identified. [17:48]
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jurov ;;iden jurov [17:48]
gribble Error: "iden" is not a valid command. [17:48]
jurov ;;ident jurov [17:49]
gribble Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!', is not identified. [17:49]
jurov mkay [17:49]
jurov ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e3039a807de091554a4ed03c10aadf7def402a5268d9e4cbe87e4bab [17:49]
gribble You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7 [17:49]
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mike_c so this is it, SSL is dead now. crazy. [17:53]
Vexual are you being funny? [17:54]
punkman mircea_popescu: my shares to be sent to jurov whenever the board pleases [17:54]
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mike_c possibly unintentionally. i just mean that it is now going to be widely discarded instead of narrowly discarded. [17:54]
nubbins` i wonder is goat actually in thailand? [17:54]
ben_vulpes mike_c: to what are you referring? [17:54]
Vexual yah bankok [17:55]
mircea_popescu the recent soup of holes [17:55]
mike_c poodle. [17:55]
Vexual awful place [17:55]
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nubbins` never been [17:55]
* nubbins` shrugs [17:55]
mike_c [17:55]
assbot Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback [17:55]
nubbins` last address i had for him placed him in the usa [17:55]
jurov mike_c: in favor of what? i don't see any scramblingo to implement,. say gpg signatures support in browsers [17:55]
* Vexual shugs [17:56]
mircea_popescu what's to stop em ? [17:56]
ben_vulpes <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" << not at all, just import all the keys and verify all the sigs at transfer. [17:56]
punkman [17:56]
bounce somebody did, then the thing broke [17:56]
assbot OpenPGP.js | OpenPGP JavaScript Implementation [17:56]
mike_c in favor of TLS. don't worry, that one is secure! [17:56]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha okay [17:56]
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punkman and if you want more lulz [17:57]
assbot PGP Encryption Tool - iGolder [17:57]
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bounce there was "firegpg" for a bit. aparently there's "webpg" [17:57]
Vexual nubbins`: if you can hang onto your wallet it's not bad [17:58]
nubbins` never trust a man named jared [17:58]
jurov but i mean on same level as tls is now [17:58]
bounce oh, "mailvelope" [17:58]
mircea_popescu "Since August 1st, 2013 iGolder is no longer accepting new accounts and balances can only be redeemed. During the past years, we have been recommending Bitcoin more than our own payment system. We believe in physical gold ownership, and developed iGolder as a mechanism for people to acquire physical gold by trading with one another." [17:59]
jurov ben_vulpes: that doesn't preclude circulation of duplicates [17:59]
mircea_popescu more power to them [17:59]
mircea_popescu << someone explain to me how is this a tool. [18:01]
assbot PGP Encryption Tool - iGolder [18:01]
mircea_popescu so send your plaintext over https to a server, which then gives yo ua safe token for your correspondant [18:01]
mircea_popescu couldn't you do the same sending https email ? [18:01]
ben_vulpes jurov: what does a duplicate matter? [18:01]
jurov ben_vulpes race conditions who will redeem it first and such mess [18:02]
jurov not to mention if someone succeeds to sell and circulate them further, coinbr will be blamed [18:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00073334 = 27.9769 BTC [-] [18:05]
ben_vulpes well race condition only happens if someone sells and signs on to two seperate parties [18:05]
jurov yes, that's what i mean [18:05]
ben_vulpes brings us back to trusting humans [18:05]
ben_vulpes eg, cazalla counterparties trusting him to not resell [18:06]
ben_vulpes you just hold a hard line [18:06]
ben_vulpes "first to the gate" [18:06]
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jurov could be fun, i agree [18:06]
ben_vulpes keys -> accountability [18:06]
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jurov ikr. but some setups have bigger mess potential, other ones less [18:08]
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jurov and the benefit isn't so big [18:08]
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Vexual quit your crying you havent fucked up yet [18:10]
jurov lol.. should I? to learn faster? [18:10]
mats_cd03 yes [18:11]
Vexual hell n, do what your doind, no discounts [18:11]
nubbins` [18:12]
nubbins` 90% sure that's goat [18:12]
mircea_popescu lol another dude named jared ? [18:12]
Vexual whaddayyou fuckin high nubbins, whadda you care? [18:13]
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nubbins` sorry, 100% sure [18:14]
Vexual its him [18:14]
nubbins` Vexual actually sober, caffeine aside [18:14]
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Vexual i wouldnannah said it otherwise [18:14]
nubbins` [18:15]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [18:15]
mircea_popescu dude looks like a bag of dicks [18:16]
nubbins` woah, he actually has a kid hey? [18:17]
* Vexual muttleys [18:17]
nubbins` hey now [18:17]
nubbins` ah heh, this one was his avatar on the forums for a while [18:18]
nubbins` [18:18]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [18:18]
Vexual everything is so proud [18:18]
Vexual hes got like 12 million domarions and a shotgun too [18:19]
Vexual *spotty dogs [18:19]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the miracle of professional photography eh ? [18:19]
nubbins` no kidding [18:20]
ben_vulpes that hair [18:20]
mats_cd03 nubbins`: dat goat? [18:20]
nubbins` yeah [18:20]
mats_cd03 kek [18:20]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: i should change my name to gben vulpes <<< maybe gben vulpes-fuckin [18:21]
Vexual i prefer benkay [18:23]
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mircea_popescu << ahahaha WAT [18:24]
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Vexual k is the ninth letter bit i call him ben10 [18:29]
Vexual vuples the mexican is good too [18:31]
nubbins` mp inorite [18:32]
nubbins` [18:33]
nubbins` ^ this man shares my name [18:33]
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Vexual [18:34]
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Vexual bacon? eggs? [18:37]
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xinxi Vexual - it’s must be quite late in au now. [18:39]
Vexual yes my dentis appointment [18:39]
Vexual 2:30 [18:39]
nubbins` am?! [18:40]
nubbins` does your dentist also sleep upside-down? [18:40]
Vexual must be quite late in bejing also [18:40]
nubbins` where can i buy gallons of speedball silver acrylic? [18:40]
Vexual yes, he works nights [18:40]
Vexual silver acyrilis? [18:41]
TomServo [18:42]
TomServo "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story." [18:42]
TomServo Fuck you, Bruce. [18:42]
Vexual easy tiger [18:46]
bounce because the only thing that matters is the story? [18:47]
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xinxi It’s 11:45pm in Singapore. [18:48]
xinxi I live in SG. [18:48]
nubbins` 1:15pm here in god's country [18:49]
Vexual longitudes a funny thing in this world [18:49]
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bounce because youse blest and the rest of the world's pinko commie furriners nohow [18:49]
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Vexual i suppose your adressing nubbins` [18:50]
nubbins` bounce pretty much [18:50]
mats_cd03 newfoundland? [18:50]
nubbins` mats_cd03 yep [18:51]
nubbins` 709 represent [18:51]
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mats_cd03 i'm sorry [18:51]
nubbins` blow it out your ass [18:51]
mats_cd03 huk [18:52]
Vexual nice to meet you xinxi, goodevening all [18:52]
nubbins` peace [18:52]
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xinxi nice to meet you too. [18:53]
nubbins` vexual using tor [18:53]
nubbins` imagine [18:53]
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nubbins` [18:56]
assbot Waterman & Milley - For Ted When He Dies - YouTube [18:56]
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BingoBoingo woke up to this solicitation [18:58]
assbot dpaste: 33C9NER [18:58]
nubbins` BingoBoingo, what an opportunity [19:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.16106012 BTC to 16`164 shares, 7183 satoshi per share [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 5.30186800 BTC to 171`028 shares, 3100 satoshi per share [19:03]
Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, did you redirect him to coindesk ? [19:04]
nubbins` october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.81893928 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 506 satoshi per share [19:05]
BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: Just did [19:05]
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nubbins` heh [19:07]
nubbins` coindesk: we swear it's a news site [19:07]
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xinxi I am very happy to see that there is some liquidity in my site now. If you need a fair market to trade bitcoin options, you can come. [19:09]
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Apocalyptic xinxi, is there a way to view the orderbook without being logged in ? [19:12]
xinxi sorry, currently no. there are many expiry dates and a few assets. it’s going to be a lot data. [19:13]
Apocalyptic I don't see the relevance regarding who do you display this to [19:14]
xinxi Oh, as some people trade options here, and since MPOE is down. I guess some of you may need it. [19:14]
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kakobrekla xinxi in the faq, the first question is 'who are you' which is encouraging, but the answer is written for 'what is this' [19:17]
jurov ;;rate xinxi 1 b-a voice, - we'll see how it goes [19:19]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [19:19]
jurov xinxi you aren't registered? [19:19]
xinxi wangxinxi [19:19]
jurov ;;rate wangxinxi 1 b-a voice, - we'll see how it goes [19:19]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wangxinxi has been recorded. [19:19]
xinxi Thank you! [19:19]
xinxi sorry, where is the FAQ? I cannot find from the [19:20]
jurov go to wiki [19:20]
kakobrekla here: [19:20]
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xinxi I see. I guess you need this: [19:21]
jurov !up mechtronic2001 [19:21]
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ben_vulpes sweet my personal gmail's down [19:21]
xinxi Thanks for pointing out. I thought that people are more interested in what we do. [19:21]
Apocalyptic xinxi, did you code the page yourself ? [19:21]
xinxi yeah, I coded every line. [19:22]
ben_vulpes xinxi: gpg key on about page mebber [19:22]
Apocalyptic what do you use "
" for ?
kakobrekla csrf? [19:22]
xinxi it’s for session tracking. [19:22]
xinxi if the user does not support cookie, the site will still work. [19:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11703 @ 0.00073435 = 8.5941 BTC [+] {2} [19:23]
xinxi ben_vulpes - you mean I should put my gpg key on my about page? [19:26]
xinxi kakobrekla - csrf is impossible. [19:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21169 @ 0.00073787 = 15.62 BTC [+] {2} [19:28]
xinxi the session id cannot be used to login. [19:28]
assbot PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [19:29]
BingoBoingo !up PinkPosixPXE [19:29]
kakobrekla !up PinkPosixPXE [19:29]
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kakobrekla lel [19:29]
kakobrekla !down PinkPosixPXE [19:29]
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kakobrekla no free voices. [19:29]
kakobrekla !up PinkPosixPXE [19:29]
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PinkPosixPXE thank you [19:30]
kakobrekla return one to bb. [19:30]
BingoBoingo plz thnx [19:30]
BingoBoingo [19:30]
assbot Vietnam: Prosecutors Reject Charging Bitcoin Traders | [19:30]
penguirker New blog post: [19:30]
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Apocalyptic [19:34]
Apocalyptic today it's openssl [19:34]
nubbins` anyone able to link good articles about GPG contracts? (aside from the one on trilema) [19:34]
xinxi ubuntu stil has no update. [19:35]
Apocalyptic neither has debian [19:36]
kakobrekla fuck you im installing windows [19:37]
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kakobrekla xp [19:37]
BingoBoingo ME [19:38]
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Apocalyptic heh kako, at least move to ms-dos then [19:38]
BingoBoingo MS Xenix [19:38]
danielpbarron nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use [19:39]
Apocalyptic danielpbarron, it's not only that, they are trying to reinvent a better wheel, because they know better [19:39]
danielpbarron a smart-wheel that spins itself based on distributed consensus [19:40]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: You considered producing any text for qntra yet? [19:41]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, i would like to in the future, but i don't have time for it in autumn [19:42]
danielpbarron i can barely keep up with -assets [19:42]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Ah, just remember it is an option if you find a bit a spare time and a thing not covered [19:43]
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danielpbarron i have free time for most of the year, just not for these few months [19:43]
BingoBoingo Happens [19:43]
danielpbarron and of cousre autumn is when all the interesting things in bitcoin happen :/ [19:44]
danielpbarron i really like the idea of working for shares [19:46]
BingoBoingo Fall is indeed the season for drama [19:47]
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ben_vulpes drama mode [19:47]
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nubbins` heh [19:49]
nubbins` i might do a practical writeup on gpg contracts [19:50]
nubbins` background theory + nuts and bolts + examples [19:50]
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xiando mister Draper is moving his coins. [19:57]
assbot Bitcoin Address 16cTyJLWbXQz3UZ3sYjy6A6VGX4sAqiEo1 [19:57]
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asciilifeform Bruce Schneier Censored by Snowden Censors << wat. backwards headline. s is one of the central snowden censors, afaik. [20:01]
BingoBoingo Tensor Tensor! [20:02]
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asciilifeform 'tenser, said the tensor, tenser, said the tensor. tension, apprehension, and dissension have begun.' [20:03]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [20:05]
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ben_vulpes [20:05]
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jborkl hello [20:06]
ben_vulpes lady: "maybe you should take a nap before our dinner party" [20:06]
BingoBoingo realzies: << Interesting to see the Prosecutors recognize of tool of great use in their personal business [20:06]
assbot Vietnam: Prosecutors Reject Charging Bitcoin Traders | [20:06]
BingoBoingo Hello jborkl [20:06]
ben_vulpes me: "yeah, taking care of myself would be a good idea. i'll let you know if i get around to it!" [20:06]
ben_vulpes jborkl wants qntra shares [20:06]
BingoBoingo Well, write? [20:07]
bounce gotta rite rite, rite? [20:07]
BingoBoingo Well find something and then make it news'd [20:07]
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thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> ///thats not our ben [20:10]
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thickasthieves i tell ya, it aint easy buying a nice computer chair [20:10]
thickasthieves i got turned away at the herman miller place [20:11]
ben_vulpes [20:11]
thickasthieves theyre just too busy for my business today [20:11]
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thickasthieves Staples wouldnt sell me their last best chair either [20:11]
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thickasthieves "we can order it" [20:11]
thickasthieves yeah fuck you [20:11]
ben_vulpes don't buy things in meatspace [20:12]
ben_vulpes just order from amazon [20:12]
thickasthieves no herman miller on there [20:12]
ben_vulpes middleman is getting squozed out of existince in this qntry [20:12]
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thickasthieves i guess i could order one direct without trying it... seems foolish [20:13]
ben_vulpes or sit in thing [20:14]
ben_vulpes then order [20:15]
ben_vulpes SO MANY OPTIONS [20:15]
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BingoBoingo Remember those couple years when Intel was out of the CPU speed competition [20:16]
assbot PC World: Apple G5 Gets Trounced By Athlon 64 - Slashdot [20:16]
thickasthieves fwiw, the first words on the dealer website: "Welcome to Workscapes. Workscapes is a woman owned business." [20:17]
thickasthieves they also dont know how to use hyphens [20:17]
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nubbins` do not buy a chair without sitting in it [20:18]
nubbins` hit up one of the local office furnishing places, fuck staples [20:19]
BingoBoingo %d [20:19]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 323749.02 in 152 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.76 [20:19]
ben_vulpes clearly those people don't understand business [20:19]
ben_vulpes it's a business owned woman [20:19]
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BingoBoingo I'm probably going to have to replace the fan it the laptop again. This time I'll probably buy 5 or so [20:20]
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mircea_popescu "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story." << lel [20:21]
mircea_popescu !up mpmcsweeney [20:21]
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mpmcsweeney danke [20:21]
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BingoBoingo [20:22]
assbot Screw you guys. : Bitcoin [20:22]
mircea_popescu ;;rate mpmcsweeney 1 Stan Higgins [20:23]
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mircea_popescu d;oh. [20:23]
mircea_popescu how about you get with the times ? [20:23]
mpmcsweeney haha I still use an iphone 2 :) [20:24]
mpmcsweeney well, "use" is a strong word [20:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: vexual using tor. imagine << it's easy, he just went over to the tor ip and proceeded to push keys until he was let in. [20:24]
thickasthieves other than robocoin's shitty numbers, i dont think this while consumer ripoff report is all that convincing anyway [20:25]
thickasthieves whole* [20:25]
thickasthieves some customers are just assholes sometimes [20:25]
BingoBoingo I'm trying to hunt for new and "expensive thing was expensive" keeps introducing noise today. [20:26]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month << i think in some us states it's illegal to get breast cancer out of wedlock, or on any other month. [20:26]
thickasthieves heh they do have hm chairs on amazone whaddaya know [20:26]
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nubbins` thickasthieves TBF the robocoin replies were brutal [20:27]
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thickasthieves yeha i'm not defending them so much as leaving the door open to both parties being asses [20:28]
nubbins` "I want to first acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we are working extremely hard, drinking from a fire hose and solving problems, stabilizing the platform AND continuing to improve every day." [20:28]
nubbins` srsly though [20:28]
thickasthieves i know what it's like to have a vindictive customer turn a small problem into a worse one [20:28]
mircea_popescu "This issue affects OpenSSL [20:28]
mircea_popescu 1.0.1 server implementations for both SSL/TLS and DTLS regardless of [20:28]
mircea_popescu whether SRTP is used or configured." [20:28]
mircea_popescu herp [20:28]
nubbins` "i want to acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we're a bunch of fuckups who took on more than we could handle and now we need pitchforks to shovel all our excuses" [20:29]
mircea_popescu "This issue was reported to OpenSSL on 26th September 2014, based on an original issue and patch developed by the LibreSSL project. Further analysis of the issue was performed by the OpenSSL team. The fix was developed by the OpenSSL team." << gotta love the seething anger. [20:29]
mpmcsweeney the part where he pretty much implies that they cant refund the customer until they sell the unit, thats no good [20:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no, saying that would be truthful and "unprofessional" [20:30]
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xinxi nubbins`: - what do you do ? [20:30]
mircea_popescu it'd allow them to grow the fuck up, which is verboten in openssl bruceworld. [20:30]
nubbins` xinxi in here, i mostly just modify the S/N ratio. in meatspace, i print things [20:30]
thickasthieves mpmcsweeney - customer did agree to a no refund policy [20:31]
xinxi i mean your company. [20:31]
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nubbins` thickasthieves in the guy's defence, he waited six months before his emails even started to turn snippy [20:31]
nubbins` xinxi: we print things :D [20:31]
mircea_popescu OpenSSL 0.9.8 users should upgrade to 0.9.8zc. << best fucking part. what do they do when run out of minor versions ? use a letter. and when you run out of the 27 motherfucking letters ? [20:31]
mircea_popescu use another one. [20:31]
mpmcsweeney for sure - just pointing that element out, its a sticky situation nonetheless [20:31]
nubbins` xinxi: the text i quoted earlier was from Robocoin [20:31]
mircea_popescu soon it'll be "users are advised to upgrade to openssl 0.9.8obamakilledthejews" [20:31]
thickasthieves they should just use satoshis [20:32]
thickasthieves fuck teh decimal [20:32]
kakobrekla nah it will be 0.9.8zzzzzzzzzz [20:32]
mircea_popescu they can't use satoshis [20:32]
mircea_popescu because nobody knows where satoshi is [20:32]
nubbins` anyway [20:32]
thickasthieves goat is satoshi i though [20:32]
nubbins` [20:32]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [20:32]
xinxi Oh, robocoin luanched in Singapore. [20:32]
thickasthieves t [20:32]
nubbins` my sides &c [20:32]
thickasthieves lol [20:32]
thickasthieves he looks like mega douche [20:32]
nubbins` thickasthieves you ever read something goat wrote? [20:33]
mircea_popescu nubbins` : in castellan, your sides are called matambres [20:33]
nubbins` definitely not satoshi [20:33]
mircea_popescu just thought you'd like to know. [20:33]
thickasthieves ive read too much of goat [20:33]
nubbins` MATAMBRES! [20:33]
nubbins` ENTIENDO CASTELLANO! [20:33]
xinxi god, I should have known it a few months ealier. [20:33]
mircea_popescu muy bien! [20:33]
nubbins` srsly, they call it castellano in .ar? [20:33]
mircea_popescu jesus who;'s that vocational school reject in the pic ? [20:33]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yup. most of south america. [20:33]
nubbins` same in .pe [20:33]
nubbins` colombians i think are an exception [20:34]
thickasthieves basically goat only knows how to say "i am awesome, i make lotsa coins, think of me as a financial beast plz!", but in 5000 different ways [20:34]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use << this guy is veering into prophetic. [20:34]
nubbins` heh +1 [20:34]
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mircea_popescu thickasthieves kinda what makes me think of him as a whore. [20:34]
nubbins` your writeup is great for the theory side, i'd like to marry it with something technical [20:34]
mircea_popescu pretty much the only group where giving the impression is actually the substance of the profession. [20:34]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` not a bad idea, have at. [20:35]
bounce that'd be geishas [20:35]
nubbins` man shaves sides of heat, decides to wear a suit and tie anyway [20:35]
mircea_popescu i recall pete and maybe ben fox both did something [20:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6357 @ 0.00073545 = 4.6753 BTC [-] [20:35]
bounce or pole dancers or any old performers [20:35]
nubbins` i have vague memories of both as well [20:35]
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nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot devthedev [20:36]
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nubbins` wat? [20:36]
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nubbins` ;;down devthedev [20:36]
gribble Error: "down" is not a valid command. [20:36]
nubbins` !down devthedev [20:36]
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nubbins` up yourself [20:36]
nubbins` :/ [20:36]
mircea_popescu !drown the dev [20:37]
nubbins` !up devthedev [20:37]
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nubbins` you owe me like 5 satoshi for this [20:37]
devthedev Heh [20:37]
devthedev I still can't access Qntra from over here for some reason. [20:38]
nubbins` gpg keys in safety deposit box (obfuscated or not): pros/cons? [20:39]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: read the treasure thread [20:39]
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mircea_popescu you get all the advantages of marking it as valuable with none of the downside of accessibility or deniability. [20:39]
BingoBoingo !s safe deposit box [20:39]
assbot 11 results for 'safe deposit box' : [20:39]
bounce sounds like win-win all around [20:40]
mircea_popescu all you need is sarcasm. [20:40]
nubbins` heh [20:40]
nubbins` not bad, not bad [20:40]
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asciilifeform [20:40]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything. [20:40]
nubbins` excludes damage from robbery! [20:41]
asciilifeform and further down, a few 100 lines. [20:41]
nubbins` actually a couple visits ago, they lost the sign-in sheet for my box [20:41]
nubbins` "i guess we'll just start a new one" [20:41]
nubbins` "actually, i guess i'll have a seat while you find the fucking sheet" [20:41]
bounce and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in [20:42]
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asciilifeform the fiat bank, as at this point even a child knows, is what we in usaschwitz call a 'faith-based institution' [20:43]
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nubbins` so, TLDR, great for a backup copy of your homeowner's insurance policy but not much else [20:43]
asciilifeform the chumpers line up to get boxes, etc. not out of legally-enforceable promise of correct function, but - from faith. [20:44]
asciilifeform it's a temple. [20:44]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: a smart-wheel that spins itself based on distributed consensus << i dunno if you know or not, but this actually is a historical thing, proposed by Villard de Honnecourt. [20:44]
assbot History of Computers and Computing, Automata, The Automata of Villard de Honnecourt [20:44]
devthedev I'm slightly worried about the Qntra shares. If the amount of S.QNTR shares double monthly wouldn't the revenue have to double as well to keep up with the inflation? [20:44]
nubbins` hmm [20:44]
mircea_popescu devthedev in theory, a newsite's ability to earn should be a function of the content it holds. [20:45]
nubbins` i'm picturing a repurposed bank vault with gpg access control [20:45]
nubbins` i guess i'm actually imagining it, because the nebulous thing in my head right now isn't really a picture [20:45]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: that's called - vault with rectothermal (or, hammer drill...) access control. [20:45]
asciilifeform the weakest link in the system is the automatically the value of x in 'x access-controlled.' [20:46]
mircea_popescu bounce> and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in << if they do you can sue, and they will settle. [20:46]
mircea_popescu easy way to pay a mortgage. [20:46]
mircea_popescu just make sure to name the branch manager and the clerk in the suit. [20:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: according to the box contract in all extant u.s. banks, they can simply 'lose' the contents, and max liability is a joke number [20:47]
asciilifeform (5 figures) [20:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform heres' the funny thing : yes, they can lose the content [20:47]
mircea_popescu no, they may not lose the paperwork [20:47]
mircea_popescu see the beauty of it all ? [20:47]
asciilifeform so the paperwork will state, box sat in good order until such-a-date when god disintegrated it with death ray [20:48]
asciilifeform why would they need to 'lose' paperwork. [20:48]
mircea_popescu that's why you name the people in question. see if they're willing to lie for the bank or not. [20:48]
mircea_popescu gotta help the enemy breed loyalty after all. [20:48]
asciilifeform the particular contract i saw specifically waived the right to sue anybody for anything. [20:49]
mpmcsweeney all hail our banking overlords [20:49]
asciilifeform and these have held up in court, too [20:49]
asciilifeform ;;google binding arbitration [20:49]
gribble Binding arbitration legal definition of Binding arbitration: ; Arbitration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Arbitration Basics | [20:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform umm well you need a better contract then [20:49]
asciilifeform from bank of mars, yes [20:50]
mircea_popescu maybe im behind the times, this was a 2000s event [20:50]
asciilifeform definitely behind. [20:50]
mircea_popescu o the arbitration thing [20:50]
mircea_popescu heh [20:50]
mircea_popescu "gotta have 'magistrate' judges and 'arbiters' and anything and everyting as long as it';s not a judge" [20:50]
mircea_popescu gotta love these people. [20:50]
bounce that should end up a contract with lots of sections elided [20:51]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: lady: "maybe you should take a nap before our dinner party" << translation "fuck me!" [20:51]
asciilifeform 'arbitration' in usa is a term where the folks who fuck you over with the contract specify that you agreed to use tame judges, of their choosing (who are not in fact judges of the crown) in any dispute. [20:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't recall ever signing a contract iwth arbitration clauses. [20:52]
asciilifeform bounce: feel free to try this. the flunkie will show you the door. [20:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these are SOP today, for things as mundane as telephone service. [20:52]
mircea_popescu and in a dispute with the romanian immigration service five years ago or so, they brought this objeciton in court, specifically, that i can't sue them before i do arbitration [20:53]
mircea_popescu and i said that either they drop it or i sue them and overturn THAT idiocy too [20:53]
mircea_popescu and so they dropped it. [20:53]
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mircea_popescu so in the end i only overturned the dumbass "regulation" they had invented in the first place. [20:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one can theoretically try this in usa, but it will cost $maxint. and at the end of the day can end up 'having problems.' [20:54]
mircea_popescu yes but what else is a life for, i ask you, [20:54]
mircea_popescu other than problems. [20:54]
mircea_popescu only thing i ever heard an excited mathematician say was [20:54]
asciilifeform well normally the 'problems' generator is used very sparingly, because most folks lack $maxint [20:54]
mircea_popescu "this is an interesting problem!" [20:54]
nubbins` ^ [20:54]
asciilifeform or even $65535. [20:55]
nubbins` interesting problems with elegant solutions [20:55]
nubbins` i had a prof get overcome once when a student presented a surprisingly succinct proof in ring theory [20:55]
nubbins` what a fucking nerd ;/ [20:55]
mircea_popescu lol [20:55]
asciilifeform in fact, i know many folks with less than 9 bits of usd at any given moment. [20:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 38 @ 0.09873684 = 3.752 BTC [-] {9} [20:55]
nubbins` uh, $512? [20:56]
asciilifeform aye [20:56]
nubbins` we talking in-hand or total life's possessions? [20:57]
asciilifeform both, either. [20:57]
nubbins` i suppose i do, too [20:57]
bounce in-hand can be higher while total worth is considerably less. [20:57]
mircea_popescu well sure, plenty of people in their 30s are underwater [20:57]
asciilifeform majority, i think [20:57]
nubbins` ^ [20:57]
nubbins` anyone with a mortgage, essentially [20:57]
mircea_popescu no, because 100mn europeans and 80mn usians are a tiny sliver of a 600mn population in their 30s [20:58]
mircea_popescu and in most of the world, 30s is the peak age. [20:58]
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nubbins` sierra leone, you only got 5 years left at 30 [20:58]
asciilifeform and the ones not underwater - are one wave away from being under [20:58]
asciilifeform one car wreck, disease, bad gamble of whatever kind, etc [20:58]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` as i was explaining to gabriel_laddel coupla days ago, averages are slippery. in sierra leone it's 35 because a bunch of retarded infants die young. [20:59]
mircea_popescu if this happened in the us, too, it'd be a much better place to be., [20:59]
asciilifeform ussr did not calculate life expectancy using the retard formula [20:59]
asciilifeform if you never lived, you're not part of the equation. [20:59]
nubbins` oh, hm. infant mortality. that's a valid point [20:59]
nubbins` retrospectively obvious, as well D; [20:59]
mircea_popescu averages are really only to be used by qualified people. [20:59]
asciilifeform in fact, life expectancy as scalar is retarded. [20:59]
mircea_popescu they're the numeric equivalent of nitric acid [20:59]
asciilifeform i'm not particularly interested in the chances of having died while 5 [21:00]
asciilifeform because, well, didn't. [21:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok [21:00]
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mircea_popescu harder than crypto, tho the fonts of difficulty be well related [21:01]
nubbins` wow, actually 56.55 years at birth, sez here [21:01]
asciilifeform this is why the machine guns will eventually be taken away from the monkeys. [21:01]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok << +1 [21:02]
mircea_popescu incidentally, one of the major pillars of the fallacious theory of "progress" is exactly this. back in 1700, a bunch of retarded kids that should never have lived died before being 21. [21:03]
jurov asciilifeform was there a "damage from incorrect date calculation", like in my household insurance? [21:03]
mircea_popescu the current day progressive averages all that out and comes up with o wow, "life expectancy has doubled"!!!1 [21:03]
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mircea_popescu in fact, expectancy of quality of life has more than halved [21:03]
asciilifeform jurov: nah, i think the y2k crap has all been snipped out by now [21:03]
mircea_popescu whereas actual life duration expectancy hasn't much changed. except if you're a retard. [21:03]
mircea_popescu which change is both immoral and unwelcome [21:03]
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mircea_popescu otherwise, seneca lived 94 years just as well as buffett or w/e [21:05]
asciilifeform not 'just as well.' immeasurably better [21:06]
asciilifeform in what company, think. [21:06]
mircea_popescu right. [21:07]
asciilifeform and probably could not even imagine synthetic food, etc. [21:07]
mircea_popescu because all the seo experts of his time were dogfood by age 6 [21:07]
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asciilifeform actually, the dogfood mechanism being selective for born seo experts is not a necessary hypothesis [21:08]
asciilifeform (valid. but not necessary) [21:08]
mircea_popescu sure. [21:08]
asciilifeform where we are now is just as easily explained by crowded world. [21:08]
mircea_popescu how did it get to be crowded ? [21:08]
asciilifeform in which otherwise functional humans can end up seo experts, also. [21:08]
asciilifeform how did << in precisely this way, yes [21:08]
mircea_popescu so then. [21:09]
asciilifeform how else. [21:09]
penguirker New blog post: [21:09]
mircea_popescu easy enough fix, just bring back the mp education system. examine the kids aged 7, 11, 15 and 19. kill a tenth each time. [21:10]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: it's a business owned woman << i think stating that is a top taboo in teh us. [21:14]
mircea_popescu like saying you enjoy the feel of 17yo pussy giving way or something [21:14]
mircea_popescu womenz can not be owned!!1 [21:15]
mircea_popescu do not even joke about it, it's too soon etc. [21:15]
mircea_popescu "Of note is the 3.2GHz Pentium 4, coming in competitive with the G5, but significantly behind the Opteron and Athlon 64 systems."" << i wonder if these two share tech. [21:16]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: amd hired away most of the original dec alpha team. but not all. [21:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i meant intel and apple. [21:16]
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mircea_popescu they [21:16]
mircea_popescu 're both [21:17]
mircea_popescu New blog post: [21:17]
mircea_popescu oops [21:17]
assbot The Register: Man Hunts Insufficiently Random Nonces, Wallets Vulnerable | [21:17]
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asciilifeform apple could not manufacture its current x86 product line without access to at least a good subset of intel's 'real dirt', no. [21:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla trololo [21:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're both dogs of the same sled so to speak [21:19]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo cazalla trololo < rolfcopter [21:19]
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asciilifeform apple was kept alive to play 'good cop' to microshit in the '90s, yes. [21:19]
thickasthieves [21:20]
assbot Market indexes dive, erasing 2014's gains [21:20]
asciilifeform in other news, 'cryptome' appears to be under heavy ddos. [21:20]
asciilifeform somebody really doesn't like the schneier piece? or was it the crown jewels catalogue circa '03? [21:21]
bounce it's a ploy to get people to buy more cryptome dvds, I'm telling you [21:21]
Apocalyptic thickasthieves, the picture is priceless [21:21]
asciilifeform speaking of apple -- [21:21]
assbot Apple KILLS SUPER MARIO. And Zelda. And Sonic The Register [21:22]
thickasthieves traders look like astronauts [21:22]
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asciilifeform incidentally, the apple emulator ban is an instance of a much larger and more interesting phenomenon. [21:23]
asciilifeform same reason hollywood famously let old movies rot in vaults [21:23]
asciilifeform the shitmongers are not interested in competing with their grandfathers. [21:23]
asciilifeform they would much like to magic away the past. year zero. [21:23]
TomServo of course, not when you can 're-imagine' and resell the same POS. [21:24]
mircea_popescu ^ [21:24]
mircea_popescu "reimagine" heh. [21:24]
asciilifeform (and, occasionally, lift old wine and sell in new bottle, when no 'up and coming' retard needs to be merit-washed at a given moment) [21:24]
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mircea_popescu the one thing any entertainer in the world would pay for, would be a memory zap device. [21:24]
bounce "who is the zombie now, mister moviegoing fan?" [21:24]
mircea_popescu that way he could APPEAR to get better and better to his audience [21:24]
mats_cd03 Market indexes dive, erasing 2014's gains << good thing i only have to worry about BTC taking a dive [21:25]
asciilifeform ;;google melancholy elephants [21:25]
gribble Spider Robinson: Melancholy Elephants: ; Melancholy Elephants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Melancholy Elephants: Spider Robinson: 9780812552317: Amazon ...: [21:25]
mircea_popescu 15961.05 -354.14 (-2.17%) [21:25]
mircea_popescu gotta say, chetty called it. [21:25]
mircea_popescu hey ! mr usg man, play a song for me [21:26]
mircea_popescu i'm not sleepy and there is no place i'm going to [21:26]
asciilifeform lol! [21:26]
mircea_popescu hey! mr usg man, play a song for me [21:26]
mircea_popescu all about how bitcoin's going down and your crock of shit will survive in blank rhyme [21:27]
mircea_popescu annnnnnd next time, before thinking about fucking with the bull, think about the horns. [21:27]
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TomServo Oh, you thought you were milking the cow? We don't have a cow. [21:28]
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mircea_popescu lol [21:29]
mircea_popescu i think ima submit my first qntra article. this should be fun. [21:29]
TomServo [21:31]
assbot Kingpin--cow milk - YouTube [21:31]
TomServo Credit where credit is due. Carry on. [21:31]
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thickasthieves uh oh mp is gonna print shares [21:35]
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mats_cd03 where do i lay suit? [21:36]
thickasthieves this share method is bound to prop up more problems [21:36]
thickasthieves i mean i like the idea n all [21:36]
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thickasthieves but i suspect there's a reason it aint done this way [21:36]
mircea_popescu cazalla << for your consideration. [21:44]
assbot Title: After defeating it in the Bitcoin market, La Serenissima bleeds the USG a - [21:44]
asciilifeform 'The exhibitor, Professor Faber, was a sad-faced man, dressed in respectable well-worn clothes that were soiled by contact with tools, wood, and machinery. The room looked like a laboratory and workshop, which is was. The Professor was not too clean, and his hair and beard sadly wanted the attention of a barber. I had no doubt that he slept in the same room as the figure—his scientific Frankenstein monster—a [21:51]
asciilifeform nd I felt the secret influence of an idea that the two were destined to live and die together.' [21:51]
thickasthieves mp, qntra being a news site, shouldnt you include some sources for your USG accusations? [21:51]
asciilifeform ( ) [21:51]
assbot History of Computers and Computing, Automata, Joseph Faber [21:51]
thickasthieves or is qntra to be like zerohedge [21:51]
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mircea_popescu i dunno thickasthieves, let the editor figure it out neh ? [21:55]
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mircea_popescu it's definitely not going to be a sort of citation-needed retardopedia, for that end of things [21:55]
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thickasthieves word, jusayin [21:56]
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mircea_popescu aww shit, it bottomed out too ? [21:58]
mike_c seems stylistically like a piece for the opinion page. [21:58]
thickasthieves or the conspiracy theory page [21:58]
thickasthieves i mean i'd love for it to be true [21:59]
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thickasthieves but i see no usable evidence [21:59]
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mircea_popescu news, dood. doesn't ask you anything. it just puts the burden upon you to make room for it in your gestaalt as it were [21:59]
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mircea_popescu that's what's so attractive about the newsman job. you get to rape a bunch of people's heads. [22:00]
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thickasthieves not sure i agree on that [22:00]
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thickasthieves that's why news is dangerous, and why people with that attitude in news are even more so [22:01]
thickasthieves of course we may be defining 'news' differently [22:01]
mircea_popescu how about "iraq wmds" ? [22:01]
thickasthieves ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu didja see any facts ? what facts didja see ? [22:02]
thickasthieves are you saying 'they started it!' ? [22:02]
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mircea_popescu nope. im putting some pressure on your quaint but broken notions of truth, factuality and so on [22:02]
thickasthieves lies are lies, wherever they are communicated [22:02]
thickasthieves news is not lies [22:02]
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mircea_popescu but things that actually happened that you personaly can't verify are what ? [22:02]
thickasthieves not news [22:03]
TomServo trilema articles! [22:03]
mircea_popescu the word is news. [22:03]
TomServo :P [22:03]
mircea_popescu lol [22:03]
thickasthieves i feel like you arent really mp right now [22:03]
mircea_popescu ahahaha good one! [22:03]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "fuck me" it is that time of the month, yes [22:03]
TomServo I'd like to see qntra stick to the (published!) facts, personally. [22:03]
mircea_popescu the reason accuracy is a concept at all is that news can't ever be correct. which is why estimates are accurate and calculations are correct. [22:03]
ben_vulpes relatedly: why do guys derp on about PMS and not about the ovulation? [22:04]
mircea_popescu !s pms [22:04]
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mircea_popescu shit, we do! who knew! [22:04]
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thickasthieves this is the same as the wot concepts, the including footnotes and source links concepts, etc [22:04]
ben_vulpes that's like a third "private messages" a third "project manager" and a third bitchy babes [22:05]
thickasthieves news may quote liars, but it may not lie [22:05]
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ben_vulpes how are ya, berndj [22:05]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves looky. factually the btc bottom happened. factually the dow movement happened. [22:05]
mircea_popescu what do you contest ? the link ? [22:05]
thickasthieves factually i took a shit at the same time too [22:05]
thickasthieves maybe i shouold shit more often [22:05]
ben_vulpes factually i got a blowjob! [22:05]
mircea_popescu well yes. so there yo uhave it : any way you go about things you're going to be selecting something. [22:06]
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thickasthieves like zh [22:06]
mircea_popescu i imagine like qntra [22:06]
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thickasthieves well like we've both said recently, cazalla's problem i guess [22:07]
mircea_popescu at least it gets to be an exciting, interesting job. [22:07]
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mike_c you don't have to like every article. [22:07]
thickasthieves i'm having trouble seeing the value in S.QNTR shares [22:07]
mircea_popescu !up kakobrekla [22:07]
ben_vulpes womenz can not be owned!!1 << the line is that humans cannot be owned, and it's only spouted by those who've not realized they're owned [22:07]
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thickasthieves they constantly dilute, except for core owners [22:08]
mircea_popescu no, they constantly dilute except for active writers. [22:08]
* kakobrekla might be expecting someone [22:08]
ben_vulpes no, they constantly dilute except for active writers. << clever [22:08]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mpex ipos are nothing if not experiments. [22:08]
mike_c they don't constantly dilute [22:08]
mike_c they dilute in a geometrically decreasing fashion [22:09]
ben_vulpes i envy your playground mircea_popescu [22:09]
adrrr [22:09]
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ben_vulpes nah, i got my own [22:09]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i can see it. [22:09]
thickasthieves ? [22:09]
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thickasthieves so they stop diluting? [22:09]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves he means that by the time there's 10bn, a few more added won't make a difference [22:09]
mircea_popescu you know, LIKE SATOSHI DID IT [22:09]
ben_vulpes i ain't no dissembler [22:09]
thickasthieves they also wont be worth striving for [22:10]
mircea_popescu ideally people do their job because of their job, not because of their carrot [22:10]
thickasthieves :/ [22:10]
thickasthieves you put out a carrot and then say, oh dont worry about that [22:10]
bounce colour me conservative, but I expect news-writing on a news-site [22:10]
thickasthieves do it cuz you want to [22:10]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves exactly! [22:11]
thickasthieves :/ [22:11]
thickasthieves i think doing it for the equity is great [22:11]
mircea_popescu bounce so they can't report on derpy stuff like moolah or w/e ? [22:11]
mike_c bounce: in the lifestyles section? or the opinion page? or the comics page? [22:11]
thickasthieves it's literal stake in what you do [22:11]
thickasthieves but the inflating shares bring issues [22:11]
thickasthieves there's also an ironic conflict of interest for 3 owners in writing [22:12]
mircea_popescu yes thickasthieves. the issue is as follows : no matter how much fun you'll have, there's more people making more people having more fun than you out there. [22:12]
bounce does qntra have those? [22:12]
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mike_c they have categories. same difference. [22:12]
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bounce hmhm so it's a blog after all [22:13]
mike_c or a newspaper [22:13]
mircea_popescu everything';s a blog after all. [22:13]
thickasthieves it's just database [22:13]
mircea_popescu the blog is the superset of the written word. tom sawyer is a badly implemented blog. [22:13]
mike_c not even any css [22:13]
bounce then there's no point in trying to be different, is there? [22:13]
mircea_popescu different from what ? [22:14]
kakobrekla blog is buzzword [22:14]
thickasthieves well the trying t be different, i thought, was to eschew now-common problems in news [22:14]
thickasthieves like shilling, lying, etc [22:14]
bounce well, why do you submit something to qntra that would do peachy fine on trilema? [22:14]
thickasthieves cuz ideas! [22:14]
bounce oh. ideas. [22:14]
mircea_popescu bounce think about it, if i never submitted anything to qntra wouldn't ppl want to know why i don't ? [22:14]
thickasthieves this sounds a bit like the colored coins conversation ;) [22:15]
bounce you're rooting for the tin foil hats that speculate you'll get paid to not write for qntra? [22:15]
kakobrekla cept we are being coloured [22:15]
jurov this is an editorial not an article [22:15]
thickasthieves retrofitting problems to solutions [22:16]
mircea_popescu bounce lol i think im good either way, not about to starve if they reject my contribution :D [22:16]
bounce right so [22:16]
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asciilifeform and the smell comes through [22:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can see your angle. if you feel like doing one sometime... [22:17]
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BingoBoingo qntra prolly ought to grow to include editorial eventually. cazalla's decision as to when [22:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's the thing, i couldn't possibly write one and have it be any more 'on subject' than yours above! [22:17]
thickasthieves it's just new, we are indeed trying to judge a toddler like an adult [22:17]
thickasthieves shows our interest though [22:18]
thickasthieves which is good [22:18]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves wel no, this is the sort of shit that happens. one day cazalla was minding his own fucking business. suddenly, it's "make a news site!" then the next week it's ddosed to hel, and then the next week it's "here's an artikcle from mp, everyone in chan wants to make a call, it's on your head. make a decision" [22:18]
Apocalyptic %d [22:18]
asciilifeform thickasthieves: i'd argue that it isn't simply too new, or done improperly in some way. but - does wrong job. [22:18]
mircea_popescu never a dull moment. [22:18]
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thickasthieves we have blogs, we have shit news, now we want qntra [22:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how do you mean wrong job ? [22:19]
asciilifeform thickasthieves: imho folks who think 'hate shitnews, gonna make my own nyt and forbes, with hookers & blackjack' are missing some of the problem [22:19]
asciilifeform i'll give example [22:19]
asciilifeform 'the fall of'. 'lawsky stays lulzy.' 'butterfly turds something-or-other.' etc [22:20]
thickasthieves right [22:20]
mircea_popescu myeah. [22:20]
asciilifeform i think in usa this is called 'framing' [22:20]
asciilifeform or maybe not [22:20]
thickasthieves the b-a culture and btc culture is leaking [22:20]
devthedev framing? [22:20]
asciilifeform but the subject matter itself is the problem [22:20]
bounce framing. [22:20]
asciilifeform rather than execution [22:20]
bounce putting stuff in suggestive light [22:20]
asciilifeform wrong word, nm [22:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you want, get a better army ? [22:21]
thickasthieves i think execution is part of it though [22:21]
mircea_popescu from where, heaven ? [22:21]
mike_c the lawsky title was a bit silly for my taste, but the content was useful to me. i'm glad i read what happenned. [22:21]
asciilifeform qntra lifted the choice of subjects from the turdmeisternews [22:21]
thickasthieves you can tell when qntra is trying to be cold, and when it's catering to b-a readers [22:21]
mircea_popescu that was baked in the design. "take their subjects, write them better" [22:21]
asciilifeform example of -interesting- and genuine news - mp's piece. but he can't cough up the actual intel to substantiate the piece, that would aid the enemy. [22:21]
bounce headline writing is a fine art though. news shops have people that specialise in exactly that. [22:21]
mike_c if you just want occassional useful articles, read blogs.b-a. [22:22]
mircea_popescu bounce very true. im hoping someone will emerge [22:22]
mircea_popescu probably out of the ba chickdom. [22:22]
mike_c if you want to know all the stupid shit that is hapenning, not told to you by idiots, read qntra. [22:22]
asciilifeform ^ [22:22]
thickasthieves when i worked at newspaper, headline writing was mostly editors job [22:22]
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thickasthieves writers (and even layout people) would write placeholer headlines [22:22]
thickasthieves and editor would adjust [22:22]
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mircea_popescu i think mike substantially has it, tbh. that's pretty much the mission. [22:23]
Apocalyptic if you want to know all the stupid shit that is hapenning, not told to you by idiots, read qntra. // that's probably the best definition of what it does [22:23]
mircea_popescu i mean sure in time it can branch out and grow and w/e, but as an anchor, that's how it was born [22:23]
asciilifeform perhaps i simply don't like the dish, and should not bash the cook. [22:23]
bounce there's more or less three candidates, given the wordcount rule [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform idea being, everything needs to be done. cables are needed too. [22:24]
mircea_popescu even if "cables are ugly" or w/e. [22:24]
mircea_popescu bounce candidates to what ? [22:24]
asciilifeform one of the problems i always had with 'news' is the regurgitation [22:25]
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asciilifeform true newsman, imho, actually goes places and lifts facts from the earth, not cut&paste. [22:25]
mircea_popescu ;;google first steps to bitcoin assets [22:25]
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mircea_popescu ah there you go! [22:25]
thickasthieves my main gripe with news is when it's propaganda or meant to manipulate [22:25]
asciilifeform that's everybody's main gripe, but leaves certain things in the shadows [22:25]
bounce first it's got to steal your attention, then it's got to keep it, then it's gotta fill the article, then it's got to pad the wordcount [22:26]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves news will have a pov. want it to or not. [22:26]
mircea_popescu bounce my idea was to make it contrary forces. so the wordcount should result like the stuff in colorado, a splendor. [22:26]
asciilifeform 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' [22:26]
asciilifeform (naggum, who else. ) [22:27]
assbot Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." - Naggum cll archive [22:27]
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thickasthieves lol every article should say how many shares it made at the bottom [22:28]
asciilifeform here are some imaginary examples of actual 'bitcoin news' [22:28]
mircea_popescu emacs can tell you :D [22:28]
asciilifeform picture a blog where some chap analyzes latest crapware, and posts reverse engineer autopsies of samples which somehow concern btc. [22:28]
asciilifeform or one where a fellow who owns some big iron (several hundred cpu, perhaps) walks the blockchain every day in search of strange [22:29]
mircea_popescu this is not news stan. this is science publications. [22:29]
mircea_popescu this is the stuff that blogs are made for. [22:29]
thickasthieves like organofcorti [22:29]
mircea_popescu quite. [22:29]
cazalla well see, qntra is titled news, views and commentary so thickasthieves, you are quite welcome to submit an article in response to mircea_popescu's [22:29]
asciilifeform or by an anonymous kid who plants wifi bugs, which forward captures to his wpa cracking cluster, around usg facilities [22:29]
cazalla and gee i had a few too many last night [22:29]
thickasthieves heh [22:29]
asciilifeform i could go on forever [22:29]
mircea_popescu cazalla what, that means i'm in ? [22:29]
thickasthieves maybe i'll submit an article about the problem with qntra share dist model [22:30]
thickasthieves probly more suited to mike_c tho [22:30]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, yes but a little reminiscent of when the stooge is told to give a check to the tangiers lol he does as he is told [22:31]
mircea_popescu TheBroker put that text blob in gpg to decode it [22:31]
asciilifeform qntra reads just like ordinary newspaper! 'company c now selling turd t.' 'company s having supply chain problems with their shit.' 'politician p derps on topic t.' [22:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well guess why! [22:31]
BingoBoingo maybe i'll submit an article about the problem with qntra share dist model << Qntra shares embody MP view of wealth as % of math rather than number ot tokens [22:31]
cazalla qntra authors are compromised because yesterday mircea_popescu organises hosting, today he wants to be an authour! [22:31]
thickasthieves you three get shares for each article too right? [22:32]
thickasthieves your own articles i mean [22:32]
thickasthieves i know you get them for others [22:32]
bounce "free software a mediocre idea" oh well [22:32]
cazalla yes, we can earn from the pool as well [22:32]
thickasthieves so while qntra has the least income, and needs the most from few (as in it's founders will work for equity only at start) it's founders and groundfloor employees get the most equity [22:33]
thickasthieves this leads to income eventually [22:34]
asciilifeform how is it supposed to generate income again? [22:34]
* asciilifeform confused [22:34]
thickasthieves which by then shares are very diluted for everyone but 3 founders [22:34]
thickasthieves i just cant sort why owning shares and holding them will ever be good [22:34]
thickasthieves and if that is true [22:35]
thickasthieves its never good for market buyers either [22:35]
mike_c thickasthieves: you see peterl's article on it? [22:35]
thickasthieves i havent no [22:35]
mike_c !s from:peterl qntra [22:35]
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thickasthieves which is his blog? [22:36]
mike_c [22:36]
assbot Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog [22:36]
cazalla i think coindesk got to thickasthieves [22:38]
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thickasthieves peterl's conclusion seems to be that only buyers of shares would logically be donors [22:39]
thickasthieves make people spend shares to read it i guess [22:39]
mike_c cazalla: suggestion: pick a reasonable set of categories (8-10?) and apply to all articles. this would allow for sections and filtering. [22:40]
mike_c additional tags of course don't hurt anything [22:40]
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cazalla mike_c, we've been adding categories as we go so they will expand over time, not that fussed on tags though tbh [22:41]
thickasthieves possibly, the only ways for qntra shares to go up in value would be divs becoming great, or somehow closing the loop by having a way to 'spend' shares.. but at that point all you did was make an altcoin [22:42]
mike_c but if you have a core set of tags it is easy to have finance page, legal page, editorial page, etc. (this is what I would want, perhaps not widely desired). [22:42]
mircea_popescu "free software a mediocre idea" oh well <<< who ? [22:43]
thickasthieves also could look at it from the feeds point of you [22:43]
thickasthieves maybe mike_c only wants to follow one category [22:43]
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mike_c or perhaps tat wants to ignore certain categories (like commentary) [22:44]
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mircea_popescu mike_c wow i hadn't either. [22:44]
thickasthieves hey i like mp's commentary [22:44]
thickasthieves but it aint news [22:44]
mike_c neither is the editorial section of the paper. [22:44]
thickasthieves if i wrote an article saying that mp wrote the article, thats news :) [22:44]
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mircea_popescu thickasthieves bad title tho. i got better titles than blogger, and the big thing there is the dow manipulation [22:46]
mike_c another section of the paper that isn't news: classifieds! put the otc order book out of bizness and makes shareholders happy. [22:46]
thickasthieves mp i admittedely didnt put my all into the headline [22:46]
asciilifeform it's more or less out of business for ages [22:46]
mircea_popescu Romanian Billionaire And Unrepentant Murderer of Anton Derpopoplus Claims Foreign Interest Manipulate Dow [22:46]
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thickasthieves mp just write all your articles for qntra about your articles on trilema and i'll be happy lol [22:47]
mircea_popescu lol [22:47]
bounce Unrepentant Romanian Claims Foreign Interests Manipulate Dow [22:47]
thickasthieves !up peterl [22:47]
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mircea_popescu Breaking : A Trilema Article I wrote about a Song I wrote about some Music I wrote. [22:47]
peterl hi, I think you misunderstood the conclusion of my article [22:48]
thickasthieves ok [22:48]
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thickasthieves fix me [22:48]
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peterl at first, the people buying shares of S.QNTR will be donating to authors [22:48]
peterl but eventually the paper might make money [22:48]
asciilifeform how? [22:48]
peterl so people will be buying shares to get a part of the income [22:48]
cazalla punkman: just dusted off ancient juicer, still works <<< i've got a juicepresso, fkn thing is great after drinking the previous night [22:48]
thickasthieves wouldnt it require a drastic amount of money though, the more time passes and shares are created? [22:49]
devthedev Yes [22:49]
peterl how to make money? sell ads or subscriptions or classifieds or whatever [22:49]
asciilifeform ads? [22:49]
thickasthieves the curves can easily be unfavorable [22:49]
asciilifeform to whom? [22:49]
thickasthieves and likely will always be unfavorable [22:49]
peterl but if they make some money, then it will be shared among the shares [22:50]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves the newspaper business isn't really for poor people ya know. [22:50]
peterl so the price might be really low, but it will still be some positive number [22:50]
asciilifeform i confess that i'm seeing a perpetuum mobile, but, 'this time it'll be different, we're using 6061 instead of villard de honnecourt's oak !' [22:50]
thickasthieves IPOing isnt really for nonincome businesses [22:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [22:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 391.2, Best ask: 391.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.39000, Last trade: 391.6, 24 hour volume: 21327.08255323, 24 hour low: 385.92, 24 hour high: 413.0, 24 hour vwap: 397.092249358 [22:50]
asciilifeform *6061 aluminum [22:50]
peterl but anybody can see the inflation coming, so the whole market will discount the share price as appriate to compensate between "profit now" and "profit later" [22:51]
mats_cd03 it sounds like mp has implicitly agreed to be the hearst/murdoch of qntra [22:51]
thickasthieves in that case, no need to be a public co [22:51]
thickasthieves just pay people [22:51]
mircea_popescu no need, sure. [22:51]
mircea_popescu so ? [22:51]
peterl already there are some bids up for S.QNTR, some people are being generous to the authors, some not so much [22:52]
* asciilifeform realized that he simply regards william randolph hearst's basic invention (mass news) as fundamentally pernicious, and not something that 'good folks can do right because they're good and hearst is evil' [22:52]
thickasthieves well think of this conversation as informing to potential investors that this isnt really an investment to expect gains from, other than knowing your favorite news source will continue to exist [22:52]
mike_c what? [22:53]
mike_c ok, i'll write it up. [22:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more to it than simply that, i suspect. [22:53]
asciilifeform mass news and derp are inseparable in my head. perhaps one can have one without the other, but that's not unlike a unipolar magnet. [22:54]
mircea_popescu well, i suspect there's a lot of unresolved questions in there. [22:54]
asciilifeform in some 'unconventional' models of physics, they exist. [22:54]
peterl thickasthieves: hopefully investors are smart enough to read the listing and understand what is going on [22:54]
thickasthieves and yknow, i'm not saying i wouldnt buy shares just to support it [22:55]
mircea_popescu im not even sure what are yu saying lol. [22:55]
asciilifeform i was very unsure re: this hypothesis prior to qntra [22:55]
asciilifeform but now i strongly suspect that it is true [22:55]
mircea_popescu for one thing, every news outlet to date, pando, gawker, you name it, was started with a nest egg and no perspective to make money. [22:55]
devthedev I hope it turns out okay for authors too, we'll have to wait and see. [22:55]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, whatsapp has yet to make any money. etc. [22:55]
mircea_popescu so yeah, s.qntr is only slightly better than the blue chip fiat company. [22:56]
mircea_popescu sure. [22:56]
thickasthieves i dont care about bluechip fiat co [22:56]
mircea_popescu right. [22:56]
peterl people are buying with the hope they might make some profit in the future [22:56]
mircea_popescu but whatever you care about, that's what alternatives investors have. [22:56]
cazalla mircea_popescu: cazalla can you explain that 4plebs img thing ? i dun have the context. <<< ANZACs go off to fight for the country, ya know, cis gendered men who promote the patriarchy, meanwhile all the leftys move in to Melbourne, meh wtf do i know anyway [22:56]
mircea_popescu ;;ud ANZAC [22:57]
gribble | Anzac. 1. A soldier from Australia or New Zealand. Originally referred only to Gallipoli campaigners, (the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps), then to all  ... [22:57]
mircea_popescu ah [22:57]
mircea_popescu so it's one of those "while you're away at boot camp your wife is sucking snails out of the lesbian couple next door" ? [22:57]
thickasthieves would qntra be interested in some logo mockups? i wont be offended if you dont use any, i just think it makes a create letterform [22:58]
cazalla mircea_popescu, pretty much [22:58]
thickasthieves great not create [22:58]
thickasthieves not sure if ur outright anti-logo [22:59]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves gotta talk to cazalla [22:59]
thickasthieves i am! [22:59]
asciilifeform another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes? [22:59]
cazalla thickasthieves, not at this time but thanks [22:59]
thickasthieves word [22:59]
asciilifeform how we don't actually have more food today than in 1700, just greater quantities of food-like substance that staves off starvation [22:59]
mircea_popescu yeah, i recall it. [22:59]
asciilifeform well, if we were to go back to actual food, we would have to get used to perhaps 1/1000 as much of it mass-wise as we had 'food.' [22:59]
asciilifeform well, same applies to news. [23:00]
thickasthieves cazalla, may i ask why? [23:00]
asciilifeform i'm not certain that an article per day of actually interesting matter happens in the world. at least, not where a reporter can get to it. [23:00]
cazalla thickasthieves, because then the discussion will turn to how the logo can be improved and i'll end up focusing on that instead of content [23:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to follow that model. qntra isn't a seller of 0-dioxin, 1814-equivalent tomatoes, but a greengrocer where they don't hire retards and don't mix shit in the fruit sala.d [23:00]
mircea_popescu still a green grocer. [23:00]
asciilifeform hm. [23:01]
* cazalla planted his tomatos last weekend [23:01]
cazalla tomatoes even, grosse and cherry, put some romas in next month [23:01]
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BingoBoingo The tomatoes in the garden here are still fucking producing. It nearly frosted 3 weeks ago, but they won't stop this year. [23:03]
asciilifeform [23:04]
assbot FCC Commissioner: Butt-Dialing is Taxing 911 - Businessweek [23:04]
bounce leaving aside "acts of nature", news is created by the doings of people. there're a lot more of those around than there were in 1700. if you assume only the top N most important bits are important, then that number stays constant. if you assume the top N% is important, then the absolute number of newsworthy things would likely adjust with the headcount [23:05]
asciilifeform bounce: there're a lot more of those around than there were in 1700 << no. there aren't. [23:05]
asciilifeform see the tomatoes example. [23:05]
cazalla BingoBoingo, i didn't get any last year, we had hail proceeded by a 5 day heat wave, that was the end of them [23:05]
asciilifeform no more people today than in 1700. fewer. more shaved apes - yes, there are. [23:05]
asciilifeform hard to emphasize this enough. [23:05]
bounce debatabel. we have a lot more opportunity, if perhaps and arguable less incentive, for not-yet-people to become people. [23:06]
bounce s/abel/able/ [23:06]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Two years ago the bumper crop was brussel sprouts, produced into January [23:06]
asciilifeform not sure this happens after age 7 or so. [23:06]
asciilifeform physiologically. [23:06]
cazalla BingoBoingo, nice, yet to grow them although i've considered it [23:07]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, i'll have your article up later this morning [23:07]
cazalla thickasthieves, deal with it --0-0--- or write an article in response to our commentary :P [23:08]
mircea_popescu this bounce-asciilifeform debate will probably live in the annals. [23:12]
mircea_popescu i mean... i can see either side of it. wtf to do now. [23:12]
mircea_popescu i can tell it's probably an important question. [23:12]
* BingoBoingo wonders why the focus on news exclusively as announcement of what happens now and not as the record historians dig through. [23:13]
mircea_popescu because historians are generally regarded like the rats in the sewer [23:13]
mircea_popescu they shoulkd be happy to get whatever it is that reaches them ? [23:14]
thickasthieves cazalla s'all good [23:14]
bounce the essential part seems to be how many shaved apes can become people, ie can become truly important. and this may or may not be limited within a sphere of influence, but there too we've managed to specialise, and multiple spheres are now more feasible. [23:14]
mircea_popescu bounce but hear the contrarian view. in 1814, there were about 1k actual scientists in the world, ie, people making their own moral judgements, as independent agents [23:14]
mircea_popescu and a few millions lawyers, doctors, journalists and other liberal professions, [23:15]
bounce what this does to relative and absolute importance depends on your viewpoint as much as plenty other factors [23:15]
mircea_popescu if not idem then at least somewhat approximting the same [23:15]
mats_cd03 thickasthieves: wut was that site that downloaded torrents for you? [23:15]
mircea_popescu today, someone who has the unmitigated audacity to misrepresent herself as "senior" SEC counsel [23:15]
mircea_popescu lacks the authority to make a deal in her purported field of expertise [23:15]
mircea_popescu forget being an independent agent. she cant' even deal. she's not even a representative. [23:16]
thickasthieves mats_cd03 it died [23:16]
mircea_popescu what are we talking about then ? the five or so people that mp ? [23:16]
asciilifeform to the extent that today's 'news' are worth paying attention to, it is to write the history of mass lies. [23:16]
mats_cd03 thickasthieves: ya but what was it. i'd like to reproduce it. [23:16]
asciilifeform example, [23:16]
asciilifeform [23:16]
assbot New Ebola Infection at Dallas Hospital Puts Focus on Health Workers - Businessweek [23:16]
thickasthieves [23:16]
asciilifeform read the one page and think about the arse-mouth gymnastics the buggers are going through to avoid saying 'yep, it's airborne' [23:16]
thickasthieves add a search to it and ur golden! [23:16]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's obviusly particulate airborne. [23:17]
asciilifeform this shit - will be remembered. history of how usa fellated its pistol. [23:17]
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mircea_popescu which is why and how the entire "don't sneeze on people" thing was introduced. [23:17]
bounce apparently "senior counsel" doesn't mean "chief dealmaker". so she's in a position that sounds important but is essentially toothless when it's not about bullying random other parties into filling in a bunch of forms. this phenomenon isn't exactly new. [23:18]
mircea_popescu but if so is she, what hope has who ? [23:18]
asciilifeform airborne in the sense of, if you want to stand next to the patient and live, wear a suit appropriate for bathing in sarin. [23:18]
mircea_popescu jesus that was broken english. [23:18]
bounce the sec is more or less a puppet anyway; look into the commentary around the flash crash, esp. the nanex guys [23:19]
mircea_popescu so if not her, then who ? [23:19]
mircea_popescu if the sec is a puppet, if senior counsel for the sec ~= housewife [23:19]
asciilifeform who << shadowhitler? [23:19]
bounce around the sec? quite possibly nobody. [23:19]
mircea_popescu then who ? who are those numerous people that make news ? [23:19]
mircea_popescu so then... no news ? [23:19]
bounce sound and fury, signifying nothing. [23:20]
asciilifeform yes. [23:20]
kakobrekla no news. as no computing. [23:20]
mircea_popescu see, the distance between bounce's theory and asciilifeform's practice is that in theory there's a lot of things that aren't actually fouind in practice ? [23:20]
asciilifeform unless you - personally - planted a video bug in the toilet stall where ebama fucks his interns, and brags to them about zapping the white man with obola. [23:20]
asciilifeform and can prove it. [23:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not so. [23:21]
mircea_popescu suppose i put this on trilema, right now. [23:21]
mircea_popescu do you see pelosi coming out and chastising obama ? [23:21]
asciilifeform lol [23:21]
bounce could well be an emergent property of our social limits, mind. like how the human social intelect can deal with ~150 "friends" [23:21]
asciilifeform yes, in the popular imagination, 'exposing' something is as simple as printing a few words. [23:21]
mircea_popescu bounce that's a dubious theory. i don't credit it so much. [23:21]
bounce that puts a bit of a damper of how many people you can remember to be important [23:21]
asciilifeform in reality, you have to patch into satellite and show him eating the kitten on prime time tv. for a week straight. to have even small effect. [23:22]
mircea_popescu bounce in the same spirit (of statistics) : the average bacterium makes no penicillin [23:22]
thickasthieves whom is important is dynamic and relative [23:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you've just moved the goalpost ? [23:22]
asciilifeform perhaps. given as i'm not even sure there's a game [23:23]
bounce it's not impossible, even if hard to see being as it is that same emergent property. so the point is not to discount it too easily. [23:23]
mircea_popescu suppose qntra buys mtv, and obama is shown back to back doing that, 18`994 times over two weeks. [23:23]
mircea_popescu so ? [23:23]
mircea_popescu to quote the teflon don speaking to sam giancanna, "all they got is a tape. let 'em play it 'till they're sick of it" [23:23]
asciilifeform this occasionally happens (nixon?) - then muppet is replaced with an otherwise-identical spare, who has not yet eaten the public kitten fillet. [23:23]
asciilifeform life continues. [23:23]
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mircea_popescu so in short : there's not going to be external solutions to internal problems [23:25]
mircea_popescu no matter how you bang on it, the shit chip won't suddenly start dropping magic packets. [23:26]
mircea_popescu makes sense neh ? [23:26]
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bounce currently I think the effect is a bit midway. much larger bulk of apes, lower relative yield of persons despite much better all around education(!), still a net absolute plus, but in a sense a disappointing one [23:26]
mircea_popescu ah but consider the matter further. [23:27]
mircea_popescu a child is conceived. he is healthy. inside his cranial cavity, among water, thin strings of protein run every which way. [23:27]
mircea_popescu another child, not healthy. inside his cranial cavity, slightly more water. [23:27]
bounce bit of a... paradox perhaps, that improved life circumstances yield a better baseline but a lower top yield [23:27]
mircea_popescu and yet... that 2nd brain will never function. all it takes is a little more doping and suddenly you *don't * have a semiconductor [23:28]
mircea_popescu you'll have to argue for that better baseline. what's better about it ? [23:28]
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bounce emergence of a middle class was a bit of a giveaway. increased life expectancy, better literacy all-around, lots of little stuff. life got a lot shinier for a great many people, to the point of bringing a great many more people in the world. [23:30]
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mircea_popescu so let me randomly pick one. [23:31]
mircea_popescu "increased literacy" ? how, when ? [23:31]
mircea_popescu this never happened, seriously. you seen that early 1900s test for ohio if memory serves highschoolers ? [23:31]
bounce [23:32]
assbot Many Eyes : Percentage of Literacy in the 1600's-1700's [23:32]
mircea_popescu no. [23:32]
bounce meaning that fully half the people couldn't read in the 1700s, where it's now closer to just about all of them who can read. [23:33]
mircea_popescu you don't get to measure literacy as counted by j h newman with "literacy" as counted by some fuckardacy. [23:33]
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mircea_popescu << [23:33]
assbot A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [23:33]
mircea_popescu people today can't read. [23:33]
mircea_popescu they can convincingly pretend like they can read. but in point of fact, they can not and do not. [23:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2489 @ 0.00073765 = 1.836 BTC [-] [23:34]
mircea_popescu reddit is the temple of this bizarre sect, the large collection of people who can use letters but don't understand sentences. [23:34]
mircea_popescu bounce << there. are you literate per the 8th grade standards ? [23:34]
assbot The CrowHouse [23:35]
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jurov i propose using s.qntra shares as payment for trilema credits, upon which they are irreversibly destroyed [23:36]
bounce I think you're a bit spoiled here; try and compare reddit derpage and tardery with the complete inability to even follow the simplest instructions when they're paid to do exactly that in places with real modern day rampant illiteracy [23:36]
mircea_popescu comparing modern day idiocy in africa with the white areas of 1800 ios nonsense [23:36]
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jurov however, then the owners share will increase indefinitely [23:36]
mircea_popescu romania was in the shitter in 1984, and has more gold per capita than most states today. all it too k was getting rid of the soviets. [23:37]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, africa had no soviets, it was and will remain in the shitter. [23:37]
mircea_popescu jurov what, not complex enough already ? [23:37]
jurov even bitcoins can be irreversibly destroyed [23:40]
jurov but s.qntr shares would outlive the stars or such [23:40]
jurov "D [23:40]
jurov just my brainfarts [23:41]
jurov what can be infinitely created, should be destroyable [23:42]
asciilifeform 'literacy' as understood by extant managerial civilization (usa, friends, imitators) is simply the ability to fill out forms and perform other simple mechanics of the giant meat computer of bureaucracy. [23:42]
BingoBoingo But at least it is only countably infinite! [23:42]
jurov asciilifeform it was ability to follow written instructions,no? [23:43]
asciilifeform africa had no soviets << vanishing the thieves and dekulakizers is not enough, one has to actually... produce wealth [23:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform one has to have a whole lotta things. literacy is a good start, of course. the actual kind. [23:44]
penguirker New blog post: [23:44]
asciilifeform we don't really know how to make 'more and more' actual people. to figure it out, would have to rewind to when they were mostly exterminated and go from there. [23:45]
asciilifeform and who even said we need more and more. just that there be some. [23:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have an experimentally verified method. [23:46]
mircea_popescu it is exhausting but not particularly difficult or complex. [23:46]
asciilifeform experimentally verified << ahaha, but does it work with Sr-90 in the atmosphere. [23:47]
asciilifeform and other modern nuances. [23:47]
asciilifeform this is why i don't like to say 'experimentally verified' re history. [23:47]
mircea_popescu works just fine. you start with women in their 20s, self selected. you beat and humiliate them into shape. five to ten years later, people emerge of this. [23:48]
mircea_popescu yield is well above a third, too. [23:48]
asciilifeform is this how we bake, e.g., a new james clerk maxwell? [23:48]
asciilifeform carl friedrich gauss ? [23:49]
mircea_popescu this is too soon to tell. [23:49]
mircea_popescu the most we have to go on is that while the recent aberrations produced neither of those, [23:49]
* asciilifeform waves to deng xiaoping [23:49]
mircea_popescu their times were run like i describe. [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0007389 = 15.1475 BTC [+] {3} [23:49]
asciilifeform may well be that this is like draining the hydrocephalic's skull to turn him into a normal man [23:50]
asciilifeform yes, we know bullet killed jfk, no, taking it out, does not resurrect. [23:50]
asciilifeform or - it does. 'can you play violin? don't know - haven't tried yet.' [23:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun fact : rabies doesn't kill per se. current therapy consists of essentially freezing the brain while the virus is flushed out by the immune system [23:51]
asciilifeform yes. [23:51]
mircea_popescu the drainage sometimes actually works [23:51]
asciilifeform widely known, i think. [23:51]
mircea_popescu not that widely, it's recent and still experimental therapy afaik [23:52]
asciilifeform but - for infection, not congenital aberration. [23:52]
asciilifeform i get the point, yes [23:52]
mircea_popescu except the most common form of congenital malformation is fixed with ties. [23:52]
* asciilifeform still puzzled on how adding a trilema post to qntra fixes the broken concept of 'news.' but perhaps is simply not the target audience ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu whadda ya mean ? [23:53]
asciilifeform the latest piece. [23:54]
asciilifeform it wants to live on trilema. [23:54]
mircea_popescu why ? [23:54]
devthedev I wish I could read it [23:54]
asciilifeform devthedev: wait it's dead again? [23:54]
mircea_popescu devthedev what's keeping you ?! [23:54]
devthedev All I've seen is "dns refresh" [23:54]
jurov devthedev refresh till it works [23:55]
devthedev Lol [23:55]
jurov but mp's submission was via pastebin [23:55]
jurov [23:56]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2014 18:16:30; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla trololo [23:56]
mircea_popescu bounce incidentally, since you quoth macbeth. "She should have died hereafter; there would have been a time for such a word. To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, [23:56]
mircea_popescu creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! " [23:56]
mircea_popescu what the fuck does that even say ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu this was read, over screams and bellows, in a crummy theatre, and people fucking understood it ?! [23:56]
jurov < no, this [23:56]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2014 18:42:08; mircea_popescu: cazalla << for your consideration. [23:56]
mircea_popescu this ? you kidding me ? and people bitch at trilema being too complex to read ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu i should do a shakespeare once just to mess with people. [23:56]
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