Forum logs for 15 Nov 2013
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62220002 = 1.8666 BTC [-] | [00:00] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1070 @ 0.00014 = 0.1498 BTC [+] | [00:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0057881 = 0.1216 BTC [+] | [00:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1242 @ 0.00578843 = 7.1892 BTC [+] {2} | [00:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.62220001 = 7.4664 BTC [-] {2} | [00:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17832 @ 0.00083004 = 14.8013 BTC [+] {2} | [00:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2597 @ 0.0008286 = 2.1519 BTC [-] | [00:39] |
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dub | https://onlycoin.com/ | [00:42] |
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ThickAsThieves | does it take bitcoins? | [00:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18759 @ 0.0001396 = 2.6188 BTC [+] {3} | [00:45] |
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dub | no | [00:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 65105 @ 0.00014 = 9.1147 BTC [+] | [00:46] |
mike_c | "starts shipping summer 2014". riight. | [00:46] |
dub | well | [00:46] |
pankkake | you just need to swipe your debit cards and it can act like it? | [00:46] |
pankkake | I knew those cards weren't secure, but really? | [00:46] |
dub | well, all of my bank cards are chipped/NFC now | [00:47] |
Namworld | Some people can clone your cards just by passing a device over your pocket | [00:47] |
dub | just I think all the requesite data is still in teh mag stripe | [00:47] |
dub | s/just/but | [00:47] |
mike_c | No, you add your cards through their mobile app | [00:47] |
dub | and attached card skimmer | [00:48] |
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Namworld | yes, all data is still on the mag stripe even with the darn chip as far as I know. | [00:48] |
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Namworld | So buy that coin thing, receive 1 card skimmer? | [00:48] |
Namworld | That's totally not going to cause any issues at all. | [00:48] |
dub | but yes, your pin is an has always been the only 'security' applied | [00:48] |
dub | hence card skimming folks need a camera or fake keypad inline with teh skimmer | [00:49] |
dub | krebs did a peice on this recently quite clever some of the shit these guys come up with | [00:50] |
Namworld | I've seen that. Skimmers that can be inserted in ATM slot, with small cam looking at keypad | [00:50] |
dub | http://krebsonsecurity.com/all-about-skimmers/ | [00:50] |
ozbot | All About Skimmers — Krebs on Security | [00:50] |
Namworld | Well not the krebs thing but similar I guess. | [00:50] |
dub | somw of them are a skin that fits over teh entire atm | [00:50] |
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Namworld | lol | [00:50] |
Namworld | wow | [00:50] |
dub | interfacing with it to actually draw your cash out too | [00:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.26099997 = 1.305 BTC [+] {2} | [00:51] |
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pankkake | I always try very hard to remove the card slot to check for skimmers. never encountered one yet :( | [00:52] |
dub | my approach is to earn too much to notice incedental theft | [00:53] |
pankkake | :D | [00:54] |
dub | the banks insurance takes care of major shit | [00:54] |
dub | was looking at a statement yesterday and found some shithole corner store and charged $105 for a $5 item | [00:55] |
dub | cannot find a given fuck to pursue it | [00:56] |
mike_c | 0.25 btc! | [00:57] |
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towski | is anyone investing in CBTC | [01:02] |
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towski | or is the bitcoin casino market too saturated | [01:02] |
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Namworld | Apparently there is people investing | [01:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083012 = 7.139 BTC [+] {2} | [01:24] |
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pankkake | http://i.imgur.com/gV33x8U.png | [01:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+] | [01:40] |
towski | that is reassuring | [01:43] |
asciilifeform | the magstripe widget will be hacked (in the positive sense) and someone will build the illicit but intensely necessary gadget i described a year ago. | [01:46] |
firedrops | describe moar | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | (where people load up cards and sell the complete stripe data on a 'silk road' of sorts) | [01:47] |
firedrops | ah, tks | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | then write it to a card | [01:47] |
firedrops | it would make carders lives much easier | [01:47] |
firedrops | wipe it if the cops come | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | solves the btc to fiat issue, at least until the cops drag you away | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | (when you end up using a stolen card #) | [01:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00014 = 0.21 BTC [+] | [01:48] |
asciilifeform | the lives of 'carders' are already quite easy. they buy blank cards (sold by the kilo on ebay, quite openly) and magstripe writer ($50 or so.) | [01:48] |
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asciilifeform | the likely outcome is, this will be the nudge that pushes the americans (and any other holdovers) into some sort of 'smart card' affair | [01:49] |
asciilifeform | (of course passive rfid is even easier to clone. no need to take a suspicious-looking widget out of your wallet, either.) | [01:50] |
firedrops | thieves errywhere | [01:51] |
pankkake | I already have a rfid debit card. no choice given | [01:51] |
firedrops | you could change banks | [01:51] |
firedrops | or smash it? | [01:53] |
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pankkake | I'd like to smash my bank, yes | [01:54] |
firedrops | lol, ditto | [01:54] |
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nubbins` | lel, acquaintance posts house-for-sale ad on facebook | [02:19] |
nubbins` | me: "hey, i know that house, they found a golf bag full of dirty needles when they raided it" | [02:19] |
nubbins` | "it's in the hood" | [02:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.1151055 BTC [-] | [02:19] |
nubbins` | acquaintance deletes post, re-posts ad with "my friend is selling her house" | [02:19] |
TomServo | haha | [02:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00014 = 1.4 BTC [+] | [02:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.1151051 BTC [-] | [02:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00014 = 0.126 BTC [+] | [02:32] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 189 @ 0.00563422 = 1.0649 BTC [-] {4} | [02:36] |
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thestringpuller | ;;market buy 50000 | [02:39] |
gribble | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16457.932 bitcoins, for a total of 705343476.0952 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds | [02:39] |
thestringpuller | ;;market sell 50000 | [02:39] |
gribble | A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 14052175.5822 USD and would take the last price down to 196.3171 USD, resulting in an average price of 281.0435 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.2971 seconds | [02:39] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc .03 * 500 | [02:41] |
gribble | 15 | [02:41] |
pankkake | .d | [02:42] |
ozbot | 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 481 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.6820% in 2d 19h 30m 29s | [02:42] |
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davout | ;;market sell 1000 | [03:04] |
gribble | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 419251.4911 USD and would take the last price down to 413.2111 USD, resulting in an average price of 419.2515 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0002 seconds | [03:04] |
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Kleeck_ | Hey guys, I'm coming up with a new tool called KleeckCoin that will color your coin all shades of Kleeck when they pass through one of my wallets. Some people will value Kleeck coins more because I'm awesome. Some people will think they're worth less. | [03:12] |
Kleeck_ | Am I a genius yet?! | [03:12] |
thestringpuller | does it suck my cock? | [03:17] |
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thestringpuller | MJ | [03:29] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014 = 0.112 BTC [+] | [03:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2000 @ 0.0010313 = 2.0626 BTC [-] {17} | [04:05] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform poor germany. all its gold stolen yet again. | [04:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.001026 = 0.513 BTC [-] {2} | [04:07] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs | [04:15] |
ozbot | Milton Friedman - Socialism vs. Capitalism - YouTube | [04:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00102513 = 0.5126 BTC [-] {6} | [04:20] |
mike_c | not much of an achievement to pwn donahue, but still fun to watch :) | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | the thing is, much in the style of marauding retards, they will gleefully ignore it and continue. | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | "mommy, can i have cake ?" "no" "mommy, can i have cake ?" "no." "mommy, can i have cake ?" "no you obese slob with the spine of an amoeba, stfu" "mommy, can i have cake ?" | [04:23] |
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mircea_popescu | in other news, http://24.media.tumblr.com/10ee5a2c41e64680300e30d0aaaa7ef2/tumblr_mfk8d8hPhI1r5q1hbo1_500.gif | [04:26] |
mike_c | ah, but eventually you can elect a mommy that does give you cake. | [04:26] |
mike_c | and then you end up with.. | [04:27] |
mike_c | http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/05/21/french-tax-soars-over-100/ | [04:27] |
ozbot | French Tax Soars Over 100% - Forbes | [04:27] |
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mircea_popescu | lol pankkake how;s that working out for you | [04:28] |
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mircea_popescu | so basically france is folding up as a going concern. | [04:36] |
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benkay | far right looks like fun | [04:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.199999 BTC [+] | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | and cookies. | [04:40] |
benkay | i'll raisin d'etre her cookie | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | by the way : | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | "The Central Intelligence Agency is secretly collecting bulk records of international money transfers handled by companies like Western Union " | [04:47] |
benkay | i figured they just recorded everything on WU systems. | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/us/cia-collecting-data-on-international-money-transfers-officials-say.html | [04:48] |
benkay | hey so how are the plans for cardano-style wallet hardware coming along? | [04:51] |
benkay | tArGetBiTcoInAdDrEsSs123454|1.99999999 into specific dir | [04:52] |
benkay | mount, unmount | [04:52] |
benkay |
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benkay | derp: unmount, remount | [04:53] |
benkay | :( | [04:53] |
nubbins` | derp | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | wallets need the blockchain | [04:55] |
benkay | not an insurmountable thing | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [04:56] |
nubbins` | neither is putting something into orbit | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | whoa look at cisco figures | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | they got creamed. | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | since the backdoor was reported it's been what, a month ? current quarter dropped 10%, that means 30% since the news. | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | in russia it was 30% so they lost 90% of marketshare there. | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | 3/4 in brazil | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | cisco is pretty much fucking bankrupt now. | [04:57] |
nubbins` | good riddance | [04:58] |
KRS1 | damn..they used to be a good company | [04:58] |
nubbins` | a dollar used to be an ounce of silver ;) | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | they did use to be a good company. | [04:59] |
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KRS1 | wtf happened? Poorly managed to death or wtf? | [05:04] |
KRS1 | I haven't been watching. | [05:04] |
KRS1 | maybe they rested on their laurels? | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1 it came to light they put a nsa backdoor in one product line | [05:05] |
KRS1 | and that killed a company like cisco..damn..thats some drama. | [05:05] |
benkay | your business is making hardware in networks | [05:07] |
benkay | it comes to light that using your hardware generally compromises networks on which it's deployed | [05:08] |
benkay | "o hai we build nuke rods" | [05:08] |
benkay | "they go supercritical 2 years after purchase" | [05:09] |
benkay | "u wants?" | [05:09] |
KRS1 | Nay..but damn..they were bigger than the beatles. | [05:09] |
KRS1 | harsh competition..a number of other forces catch up..ya i guess i can see it. | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/two-business-ideas-for-missing-arms/ | [05:10] |
ozbot | Two business ideas for missing arms pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | possibly one of my better articles. | [05:10] |
KRS1 | Hmm. | [05:11] |
Namworld | cisco > Beatles, Beatles > Jesus, Jesus > cisco | [05:11] |
Namworld | We have a new rock paper scissor variant. Thanks KRS1. | [05:11] |
KRS1 | HAH | [05:11] |
KRS1 | Its been a number of years since I was a network engineer..who's got the juice now? | [05:12] |
nubbins` | that's a lot of lead-up for a punch line, but i lel'd | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | i tend to work the girls up for a long time before they may cum. | [05:13] |
nubbins` | well, i keep reading, don't i? | [05:14] |
mircea_popescu | so you do. | [05:14] |
Namworld | OP : Coming up with business ideas for the handicapped. | [05:16] |
Namworld | MP : That IS what I do. I’m involved in Bitcoin you know? | [05:16] |
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nubbins` | don't spoil it | [05:16] |
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TomServo | KRS1: Let's not get carried away. They lost a little over 10%. They still make good (great?) hardware. | [05:17] |
nubbins` | tsa-approved luggage locks are "great" too | [05:18] |
KRS1 | I'm gonna read up about it thanks TomServo | [05:18] |
KRS1 | I think their hardware was tops, rivaled motorola even. | [05:18] |
KRS1 | Sorry not was-is..its just been a while since I've worked with their products. | [05:22] |
mircea_popescu | TomServo 10% on the quarter. | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | if you sell 10 dollar's worth of hamburgers a day, and then one day it comes out that your hamburgers have e coli in them, and then the next day your week ends and you only made 60 dollars | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | it means your sales just went -100% | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | ok so this happens to be the fucking tits. obama just gave the 1 year obamacare delay that the house wanted a month ago. except by now it's too fucking late, and as a result of his inept dickery 5mn unfortunate fucks are left without coverage as they were already cancelled. | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | this article, 3 days ago : http://trilema.com/2013/obama-getting-crushed-in-the-marketplace/ | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | except 100% moreso now. | [05:33] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.632 BTC [+] | [05:55] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000139 = 0.139 BTC [-] | [05:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00565926 = 0.3452 BTC [-] {3} | [06:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014 = 0.14 BTC [+] | [06:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.634 BTC [+] | [06:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.63477973 = 43.165 BTC [+] {8} | [06:16] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1415 @ 0.00105095 = 1.4871 BTC [+] {6} | [06:19] |
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* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading | [09:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9285 @ 0.00014 = 1.2999 BTC [+] | [10:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7143 @ 0.00014 = 1 BTC [+] | [10:43] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.0058979 = 0.6547 BTC [-] | [11:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.26099998 BTC [-] | [11:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0058979 = 0.1769 BTC [-] | [11:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.623325 = 4.9866 BTC [-] {4} | [11:40] |
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benkay | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technicalillusions/castar-the-most-versatile-ar-and-vr-system | [12:57] |
ozbot | castAR: the most versatile AR & VR system by Technical Illusions — Kickstarter | [12:57] |
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gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.01001, Best ask: 448.96394, Bid-ask spread: 1.95393, Last trade: 446.30004, 24 hour volume: 20936.08171263, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 449.79997, 24 hour vwap: 434.81827 | [13:15] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.19779999 BTC [-] | [13:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.19789999 = 0.7916 BTC [+] {4} | [13:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 150 @ 0.00104963 = 0.1574 BTC [-] | [13:41] |
smidge | ;;ticker | [13:43] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 448.01, Best ask: 448.01001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 450.0, 24 hour volume: 20630.12631041, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 450.0, 24 hour vwap: 435.01918 | [13:43] |
benkay | let me know when we hit gold parity | [13:45] |
benkay | ;;ticker --currency xau | [13:45] |
gribble | MtGox BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.359032, Best ask: 0.359989592, Bid-ask spread: 0.00096, Last trade: 0.358408, 24 hour volume: 20649.44224450, 24 hour low: 0.332, 24 hour high: 0.36, 24 hour vwap: 0.348030792 | [13:45] |
benkay | eh. a few months left i warrant. | [13:46] |
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smidge | i think the questions is, what is going to reach 1k usd first, btc or gold? | [14:00] |
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benkay | is coinbr the state of the art in mpex charting? | [14:13] |
pankkake | http://coinflow.co/ has MPEx | [14:16] |
pankkake | I only look at assbot, charts are in my head | [14:16] |
benkay | do note last recorded trade on that site | [14:16] |
pankkake | indeed | [14:17] |
pankkake | wasn't the guy behind it on this channel? | [14:17] |
benkay | last tweet was in august | [14:18] |
benkay | ;;seen coinflow | [14:18] |
gribble | coinflow was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: |
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pankkake | hmm… the best I can find for trades sources is http://mpex.co/mpex-rss.php | [14:21] |
pankkake | no historical data | [14:21] |
benkay | socket has historical data | [14:21] |
pankkake | http://live.coinbr.com/trades1m.json?mpsic=S.MPOE that's better | [14:23] |
pankkake | socket isn't free, right? | [14:23] |
benkay | correct | [14:26] |
mircea_popescu | i can;t remember who did coinfglow | [14:34] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00589998 = 0.3422 BTC [+] {5} | [14:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62220003 = 1.8666 BTC [-] | [14:45] |
pigeons | heh i saw that coinflow referenced here so i took a look, milk came out my nose when i saw reddit and bitcointalk listed under "research" | [14:47] |
mircea_popescu | coulda been worse | [14:48] |
mircea_popescu | coulda been in pdf. | [14:48] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.56061000 BTC to 1`121`220 shares, 50 satoshi per share | [15:00] |
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firedrops | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334391.0 | [15:10] |
ozbot | Free BTC Faucet - selling adspace | [15:10] |
firedrops | lulz | [15:10] |
firedrops | TF taking down faucets... | [15:11] |
pigeons | you'd think he'd be busy with other things | [15:12] |
pankkake | or remove the "security" in his sig | [15:12] |
pigeons | or the site itself | [15:13] |
pigeons | or the other site | [15:13] |
pankkake | is coinlenders defaulting? | [15:13] |
pigeons | oh i dont follow too closely | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | not unless you're calling debt. | [15:14] |
pigeons | heh | [15:15] |
firedrops | guy is in over his head... | [15:17] |
pigeons | he says he's a kid too | [15:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0059 = 0.2124 BTC [+] {2} | [15:29] |
firedrops | he's not more than 19 | [15:33] |
BingoBoingo | Funny how a few months ago he advertised himself as a decade older... | [15:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 199 @ 0.00104963 = 0.2089 BTC [-] | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | firedrops how do you know that ? | [15:44] |
pankkake | http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3886606.htm | [15:45] |
pankkake | "you don't sound very old" "I'm over 18 but not much over" | [15:46] |
firedrops | ^ | [15:47] |
firedrops | he said that in here or on a post? I can't recall, but that is my 'source'. | [15:48] |
firedrops | nobody says they're 'not much over 18' if their 21, do they? | [15:49] |
firedrops | they're* | [15:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9040 @ 0.000828 = 7.4851 BTC [-] | [15:55] |
ThickAsThieves | that sure is an odd interview | [15:55] |
pigeons | no, when you're 18 you somehow thin 21 is way older[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | it probably all revolves around the twin and contrary requirements, on one hand of being taken seriously, on the other on avoiding legal responsibility. | [15:58] |
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gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 450.5, Best ask: 453.9, Bid-ask spread: 3.40000, Last trade: 450.5, 24 hour volume: 20487.45403144, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 458.0, 24 hour vwap: 436.52028 | [16:00] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, actually, in australia. | [16:05] |
Perlboy | 18 is it. | [16:05] |
Perlboy | you are legally responsible for everything. | [16:05] |
pigeons | but when i took your money i wasnt 18 yet ;) | [16:06] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine most jurisdictions more or less copy the romanian 14/16/18 system | [16:06] |
Perlboy | huh? | [16:07] |
mircea_popescu | (under 14 irresponsible, under 16 presumed irresponsible unless proven contrary, over 16 presumed responsible unless proven contrary, over 18 responsible period) | [16:07] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, nope. | [16:08] |
mircea_popescu | aha ? | [16:08] |
Perlboy | in aus, the only thing you'll get away with @ 16 | [16:08] |
Perlboy | is underage sex. | [16:08] |
Perlboy | oops | [16:09] |
Perlboy | only thing you WON'T get away with | [16:09] |
Perlboy | 14 doesn't mean anything | [16:09] |
Perlboy | 16 is the same as 14 | [16:09] |
mircea_popescu | um | [16:09] |
Perlboy | except if you're female and you have sex with someone | [16:09] |
Perlboy | then that someone is put for statutory rape. | [16:09] |
Perlboy | everything else, 18 is adult | [16:09] |
Perlboy | anything under, you're a minor. | [16:09] |
Perlboy | final. | [16:09] |
mircea_popescu | so 16 yos can steal an infinite supply of games from game stores ? | [16:10] |
Perlboy | Yeah pretty much. | [16:10] |
Perlboy | might eventually end up in juve | [16:10] |
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Perlboy | as would a 14 | [16:10] |
Perlboy | or a 13 or a 12 y/o | [16:10] |
pigeons | they don't even have "juvenile detention" in australia? | [16:11] |
Perlboy | yes.. they do.. | [16:11] |
Perlboy | anyone over 12 can apply. :) | [16:11] |
mircea_popescu | so basically you're just going by what you understood of what they say on tv ? | [16:11] |
pigeons | oh i see you said that | [16:11] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, huh? | [16:11] |
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Perlboy | the only thing that savings a 12 y/o vs. a 14 y/o vs. a 16 y/o is the higher probability of it being a first offense. | [16:12] |
Perlboy | even >18, australian judicial system is pretty heavily weighted for most crimes to be really nice on first offense. | [16:13] |
mircea_popescu | well... but you're not a lawyer, paralegal, judge, anything of the sort, are you ? | [16:13] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, no but as a kid i went through a variety of legal related things. | [16:13] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [16:14] |
Perlboy | and i can tell you, right up to 17.99999 | [16:14] |
Perlboy | you can get away with a shitload. | [16:14] |
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mircea_popescu | musta been the unhappiest birthday in your life. | [16:14] |
Perlboy | and @ 18, expunged, no record anywhere, nothing on employment history. | [16:14] |
pigeons | how old was noagendamarket when he killed that guy? | [16:14] |
nubbins` | hi | [16:14] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, yeah, but i could drown my sorrows with rum.. legally... :) | [16:14] |
nubbins` | canada has a similar 14/16/18 thing | [16:16] |
nubbins` | not sure of the exact years | [16:16] |
nubbins` | but those under 18 are occasionally tried as adults | [16:16] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, most recent example, a 19 y/o king hit a minor | [16:16] |
Perlboy | minor fell on the pavement and died. | [16:16] |
Perlboy | 19 y/o got 4 yrs and parole in like 18 months. | [16:17] |
Perlboy | 'cause it was an accident' | [16:17] |
pigeons | you have kings there? | [16:18] |
Perlboy | 'king hit' :) | [16:18] |
pigeons | oh | [16:18] |
nubbins` | the son of a former premier here was driving drunk doing stunts in a parking garage some years ago, killed his friend, and was granted full parole after 1 year | [16:18] |
Perlboy | see it's funny | [16:18] |
pigeons | well he was sorry i'm sure | [16:18] |
Perlboy | in aus, you get caught drink or drug driving | [16:18] |
Perlboy | you're in a world of hurt. | [16:18] |
Perlboy | first time, you lose your license for 3 months | [16:19] |
Perlboy | second time you lose it for 12 and have to do community service | [16:19] |
Perlboy | third time you're almost guaranteed jail time. | [16:19] |
nubbins` | you don't need a license to drive, though | [16:19] |
Perlboy | nubbins`, get caught unlicensed regardless of your intoxication | [16:20] |
Perlboy | you're in lock up and facing a magistrate. | [16:20] |
nubbins` | well, nod | [16:20] |
nubbins` | but the car will still start without one | [16:20] |
nubbins` | "get caught" is the key | [16:20] |
Perlboy | lols, true dat | [16:20] |
nubbins` | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/unlicensed-uninsured-driver-racks-up-45k-in-fines-1.2350214 | [16:21] |
ozbot | Unlicensed, uninsured driver racks up $45K in fines - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News | [16:21] |
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nubbins` | ^ that's a 22yo | [16:21] |
Perlboy | kill someone while unlicensed or drunk. | [16:21] |
Perlboy | manslaughter | [16:21] |
Perlboy | minimum 3 - 5 yrs | [16:21] |
Perlboy | australian legal system is a bit warped. | [16:21] |
Perlboy | get caught with <6 ounces of weed. | [16:21] |
Perlboy | goto 'drug diversion' for 1 hour, no permanent entry on your record is taken. | [16:22] |
nubbins` | my impression of australia is that the politics and government are completely fucked | [16:22] |
Perlboy | nubbins`, most australians hate our politicians. | [16:22] |
Perlboy | kind of always have | [16:22] |
Perlboy | but more so now. | [16:22] |
Perlboy | 'government' wise | [16:23] |
Perlboy | i'd say has the whole social welfare thing covered pretty well | [16:23] |
Perlboy | almost too well if you're a high income earner <-- me. | [16:24] |
Perlboy | but, free health care, free ambo's etc. | [16:24] |
Perlboy | there's pluses. | [16:24] |
Perlboy | just costs 40%+ in tax. | [16:24] |
nubbins` | free ambulances! | [16:24] |
nubbins` | great | [16:24] |
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Perlboy | compulsary superannuation (what americans would call pensions/401K) | [16:25] |
Perlboy | of 9% of income | [16:25] |
Perlboy | mircea_popescu, here's another one, in australia, anyone over 13 y/o can register for an ABN and start a business. | [16:26] |
nubbins` | well, government gives out enough and they start feeling like they can tell people what to do | [16:26] |
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Perlboy | but if they rack up debts it's their parents who have to pay the bill not them. :) | [16:26] |
nubbins` | imagine extending credit to a 13yo | [16:27] |
Perlboy | actually, i'm more thinking if they go into business | [16:27] |
Perlboy | take payment up front | [16:28] |
mircea_popescu | online noone knows you're a dog. | [16:28] |
Perlboy | then spend it on money. | [16:28] |
Perlboy | oops spend it on lollies. | [16:28] |
Perlboy | their parents are responsible to the creditors | [16:28] |
Perlboy | and ironically, the tax man too.. | [16:28] |
nubbins` | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qnqn1/a_pledge_i_invite_you_to_help_us_stop_the_threats/ | [16:29] |
nubbins` | lelelelelelelelel, "The cabal of taint-lickers" | [16:30] |
nubbins` | oh m | [16:30] |
nubbins` | *my | [16:30] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [16:30] |
pankkake | I suspect this throwaway-o is quite young | [16:31] |
nubbins` | nod | [16:31] |
pankkake | not a bad person but… | [16:31] |
nubbins` | lots of "I will" | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | kinda trying to inject himself into relevancy. | [16:32] |
nubbins` | ^ | [16:32] |
nubbins` | I will save you all! | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | who cares what exactly he does or doesn't do ? | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | there's other forces keeping the mike hearn idiocy at bay. | [16:32] |
nubbins` | "i will teach myself to code and save us" | [16:32] |
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pankkake | I think he's genuinly concerned but clueless :) | [16:32] |
pankkake | I've seen it mostly on other subreddits | [16:32] |
nubbins` | well, this is i guess one step further than sharing a link about it on facebook | [16:33] |
nubbins` | i'll give him that | [16:33] |
pankkake | s/seen it/seen him/ | [16:33] |
nubbins` | ah, he is a wizard? | [16:34] |
pankkake | wizard? | [16:34] |
Category: Logs
Monday, 18 May 2020
Witam, witam i o zdrowie pytam :D
Friday, 4 June 2021
OOTL but lulz?
Friday, 4 June 2021
I suppose the original item might be preserved anyways.
Originally from http://laurent.bachelier.name/notes.txt