Forum logs for 14 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform mod6: have you made any experiment to learn whether binary changes at all when this flag is set ? [00:00]
asciilifeform might be interesting [00:00]
mod6 statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid. [00:00]
mod6 <@asciilifeform> might be interesting << i have not, as of yet. [00:00]
trinque didn't openssl itself have some derpy module-loader thing? [00:00]
mod6 would be easy for me to try now though. [00:00]
trinque perhaps the flag enables/disables that [00:01]
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decimation yes, openssl had a dynamic library loader flag [00:03]
asciilifeform aha [00:03]
asciilifeform what was it [00:03]
decimation sigh, search is down [00:04]
asciilifeform no-dso iirc [00:04]
mircea_popescu I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull [00:04]
asciilifeform ^^^ [00:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00055519 = 6.6068 BTC [+] [00:04]
asciilifeform pleez folks, sign [00:04]
asciilifeform if you read, understood - sign. [00:05]
mod6 sign the patches before pulling? [00:05]
asciilifeform can sign and say 'this is a bad idea', note [00:05]
mod6 this is for *Experimental* only. [00:05]
asciilifeform doesn't imply endorsement [00:05]
decimation yeah no-dso [00:05]
mod6 I only stamp approval at release time. [00:05]
assbot Compilation and Installation - OpenSSLWiki ... ( ) [00:05]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems. [00:06]
asciilifeform a signature from a reasonably literate wot face, 'i read this and it made sense', is worth something. [00:06]
asciilifeform to me, at least. [00:06]
decimation mthreat explained his hosting guy forgot to pay the bills [00:06]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah was just gonna say search not working [00:06]
mod6 There are some very far reaching effects of the patches applied in these build logs. They appear to "work", but as of yet, they're basically untested. [00:06]
mircea_popescu mod6 not strongarming you [00:07]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: << thread [00:07]
assbot Logged on 13-07-2015 18:43:01; ascii_field: << other lulz of the day [00:07]
mod6 not taken that way :] [00:07]
ag3nt_zer0 asciilifeform: yes I found that... thx [00:07]
asciilifeform mod6: thus far the longest-running test is the s.nsa node. [00:07]
asciilifeform it features my entire shebang through 'stator'. [00:08]
mod6 that's good! [00:08]
ag3nt_zer0 was just looking up z86 heh [00:08]
asciilifeform presently 47 connections, incl. a bunch of cn, interestingly [00:08]
mircea_popescu nb. [00:09]
ag3nt_zer0 z80 [00:09]
asciilifeform usually hovers between 35-50 [00:09]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pay it a visit, log in, see if spot anybody you know... [00:10]
mircea_popescu eh, im working on an eulora release rightnao [00:10]
asciilifeform neat [00:10]
mod6 ok building again without 'no-shared' for binary examination [00:11]
mod6 <@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant. [00:12]
mod6 I emboss cryptographically, stating that I've read, comprehended, approved and would apply in my own battlestation. [00:13]
asciilifeform normally folks say why they're signing something [00:13]
asciilifeform when they sign it [00:13]
mod6 That's fair if it has a disclaimer. [00:13]
mod6 lol, guess I just didn't wanna clutter up the turdomatic or confuse anyone either. [00:14]
asciilifeform compared to most similar boards, it is practically empty [00:14]
asciilifeform (imho a 'feature, not bug') [00:14]
mod6 less is more, as always. if there's too much in there, it's less likely to be read. [00:14]
asciilifeform has plenty of room for assorted strange. [00:14]
asciilifeform without becoming crowded. [00:15]
mod6 I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind. [00:15]
mod6 One of the resasons that I haven't even posted the gentoo build guide to the list either. [00:16]
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mod6 I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be. [00:17]
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mod6 I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones. [00:17]
trinque I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 [00:18]
asciilifeform feel free to use a different graphic if the old 'jolly roger' has gotten boring [00:18]
trinque with some note [00:18]
trinque ascii-dickbutt [00:18]
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mod6 asciilifeform: noted. [00:18]
mod6 <+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal? [00:19]
mod6 i thought so too. and it's a credit to my trust of asciilifeform that I verify his signature, and we have a L1 trust between us. [00:20]
mod6 eh, that was poorly worded. I think you all understand my meaning. [00:20]
asciilifeform trust & fuzzies is great, but i'd really like folks to start reading the patches [00:21]
asciilifeform (mod6 does. ben_vulpes? who else) [00:21]
trinque I mean that it indelibly marks the text in question with the involvement of the signers [00:21]
asciilifeform trinque? [00:21]
asciilifeform and yes, after read, and think - sign. [00:21]
trinque I do read the mailing list, yes [00:21]
asciilifeform 'i read this, grasped it' [00:21]
asciilifeform or even 'i read this and it made no fucking sense and wtf' [00:22]
trinque oh that reminds me [00:22]
trinque jurov: tls outbound smtp for the mailing list plz? [00:22]
trinque should be a simple switch to flip in [00:22]
trinque (if postfix) [00:22]
trinque for no better reason than I've required it on my end and it cut spam by 100x [00:22]
asciilifeform trinque: why was this needed ? [00:22]
asciilifeform hm [00:23]
mod6 asciilifeform: point taken. glad we talked about it. and yeah, very much so read and examine every patch. [00:23]
asciilifeform trinque: it's also how you get the next 'hearbleed' on your box [00:23]
asciilifeform *heart [00:23]
trinque yeah that is true [00:23]
asciilifeform this atmosphere where 'gotta have ssl or else' is an engineered product [00:23]
trinque sure, I wasn't saying that [00:23]
asciilifeform i advocate - resistance. [00:23]
trinque the box was getting ass-blasted with spam [00:24]
asciilifeform there are other ways to filter spam, no ? [00:24]
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trinque sure, was running spamassassin and whatnot [00:24]
trinque your point about heartbleed is well taken [00:24]
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asciilifeform i also have a habit, of compulsively re-reading own patches [00:25]
asciilifeform to see if made a mistake. [00:25]
asciilifeform i recommend this habit. [00:25]
mod6 it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time. [00:25]
asciilifeform a mistake that is owned up to, before it sinks any ships - can perhaps be accepted as a mistake, and forgiven [00:26]
asciilifeform not sure about other kinds [00:26]
asciilifeform as the war heats up. [00:26]
mod6 also more eyes help too. sometimes we all miss stuff. [00:26]
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trinque I'm off; gnite gents [00:28]
mod6 night trinque [00:29]
asciilifeform later [00:29]
mod6 I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time. [00:30]
asciilifeform i recall that last we spoke of this, folks signed and noticed that jurov's patch sig widget didn't eat them correctly [00:31]
asciilifeform and stopped [00:31]
mod6 and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;) [00:31]
asciilifeform possibly i misremember. [00:31]
asciilifeform check, when search comes back [00:31]
mod6 ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted. [00:32]
mod6 They needed to basically have the same SHA1s as the originals, with my own detatched sig. [00:32]
mod6 Anyway, yah, will take a look when search comes back. [00:33]
mod6 Someday, we're gonna get the kinks worked out of this system. [00:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87466 @ 0.00054424 = 47.6025 BTC [+] {2} [00:34]
mod6 ok this build is just about done... [00:35]
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ag3nt_zer0 good night [00:38]
mod6 ni [00:38]
ag3nt_zer0 whoops that was for trinque... hadn' scrolled [00:39]
phf ben_vulpes:! [00:39]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [00:39]
mod6 asciilifeform: ok, compile complete. [00:40]
asciilifeform << unrelated l0lpharm, for connoisseurs of 'functional' prog. styles [00:42]
assbot Open Source @ Jane Street ... ( ) [00:42]
mod6 welp, they do hvae differenet hashes. that at least is obv. [00:43]
asciilifeform mod6: hexdump -C, then diff [00:43]
mod6 ok, i was just gonna do a quick `xxd | less` and look at 'em side by side. [00:45]
mod6 ok looking through the hexdump -C diff now.... [00:49]
asciilifeform mod6: also worth comparing objdump output [00:50]
asciilifeform probably oughta begin there, vs the hex [00:50]
* asciilifeform bbl [00:51]
mod6 yeah, i thought about that first actually. but gotta recompile since bins are striped [00:52]
mod6 *stripped [00:52]
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mod6 i'll tackle that tomorrow i think. [00:56]
mod6 night all! [00:57]
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ag3nt_zer0 Gute Nacht! [01:02]
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mircea_popescu holy shit phf you found wooly mushroom ?! [01:14]
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phf i will neither confirm nor deny it until i understand the implications :> [01:33]
danielpbarron i'll buy your keys+enumerations [01:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49636 @ 0.00054258 = 26.9315 BTC [-] {2} [01:41]
phf speaking of, why are keys get turned into little bit o' nothings? [01:43]
mircea_popescu nothing's forever. [01:47]
mircea_popescu !up moneycat [01:47]
-assbot- You voiced moneycat for 30 minutes. [01:47]
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mircea_popescu phf << implications [01:47]
assbot An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:47]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, is this ddos on qntra or something else? [02:18]
mircea_popescu ddos. [02:18]
mircea_popescu its up right now neh ? [02:19]
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cazalla not from here [02:34]
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BingoBoingo Seems down [02:36]
mircea_popescu now it is lol [02:40]
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mircea_popescu actually... i see it. [02:41]
mircea_popescu slow tho. [02:41]
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phf well, that was my first eulora drama, came back to find my future fortune literally crumble to little bits o' nothing. tracked the coordinates, explored.. nothing. literally feels like i just frantically dug a bunch of earth looking for wooly mushrooms that are no longer there [02:49]
mircea_popescu aw! why didn't you dig therm up on the spot like ? [02:49]
phf i had no time to, i was enjoying the scenery :) [02:51]
mircea_popescu lol [02:51]
mircea_popescu sucks, the mushrooms are in short supply. [02:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00055472 = 19.1101 BTC [+] [02:52]
phf scuffed up my pick for nothing too. eulora is unforgiving! [02:52]
mircea_popescu well... so how do youi like the scenery ? [02:55]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [02:59]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 289.0, Best ask: 289.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 289.0, 24 hour volume: 69603.92785995, 24 hour low: 281.5, 24 hour high: 308.8, 24 hour vwap: None [02:59]
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phf it's amusing, old school. reminds me of early 3d rpgs. i didn't realize how small the island is though. needs more scenery [03:00]
mircea_popescu incientally, you can lock claims you know ? [03:02]
phf mircea_popescu: oh, then and they stick around? [03:02]
mircea_popescu ya [03:02]
mircea_popescu anyway, as the population progresses there's gonna be moar maps, but atm too noobish :D [03:03]
mircea_popescu you folk haven't even built a ship yet! [03:03]
phf :o [03:04]
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mircea_popescu or an escherian trestlework even [03:04]
phf i saw someone's tent so i assume that was possible, but a ship [03:04]
phf are you thinking of extending the same map, or completely new locations via teleports or such? [03:06]
mircea_popescu the latter. [03:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00055472 = 15.6986 BTC [+] [03:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, the whole thing is very much player driven. for instance, out of the ~dozen skills available, afaik players found like .. 4 so far ? i guess 5. [03:08]
mircea_popescu there's going to be an update this week adding more, but i doubt anyone's gonna see it this month. maybe. depends how seriously ppl play. [03:09]
mircea_popescu and generally, i expect expansions to be there long before anyone actually reached the point where they can play them [03:10]
mircea_popescu at least, that's the intended strategy. [03:10]
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phf well, my initial impression is that it would be hard to discover all the available functionality [03:12]
BingoBoingo Does Eulora have chairs yet, so that they may be stacked for space exploration purposes? [03:13]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes. [03:13]
phf i started with help, but there wasn't even a mention of mining, and some of the commands that are in help are not implemented (e.g. /dig) [03:13]
mircea_popescu crucial tool for mcguyvering too. [03:13]
mircea_popescu phf yeah the helpfile as bundled with the client is a mess atm. [03:13]
phf oh i thought that was pulled from the server [03:14]
mircea_popescu if you read the first node, which is really all that i've bothered with, it even tells you the location on disk [03:14]
mircea_popescu make your own :D [03:14]
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phf ha [03:14]
phf "lock yo shit!" [03:15]
mircea_popescu it'll get wiped eventually even if locked, but you get more than the unlocked hour. [03:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83137 @ 0.00055533 = 46.1685 BTC [+] {4} [03:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, the current eulora problem as far as miners are concerned is : there's a single shot very powerful mining tool, which seems like the oinly hope to acquire essential resources choking toolmaking and cooking. since these are in short supply, people are working to make a map of known resources, so as to explore the unknown spots [03:17]
mircea_popescu so you can help with that. [03:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146113 @ 0.00055648 = 81.309 BTC [+] {3} [03:18]
mircea_popescu or alternatively you could find someone to sell you the crafting starter item and try to get skill starter drops [03:18]
mircea_popescu which has also been pretty slow. [03:18]
phf it's very much a scarcity world [03:20]
mircea_popescu well, the copper's bitcoin based, so. [03:20]
phf right, exactly i was about to say, necessary with the funding model [03:21]
mircea_popescu not even the funding model, it deliberately has a strong currency for purely game design concerns [03:21]
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mircea_popescu none of that bullshit bezzle game economics, ima puke if i see another SoJ [03:21]
mircea_popescu !up CrazyLoafer [03:21]
-assbot- You voiced CrazyLoafer for 30 minutes. [03:21]
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CrazyLoafer wow this is where all the celebrities hang out :O [03:22]
CrazyLoafer i enjoy your writings mircea_popescu :) [03:22]
mircea_popescu an' who might you be ? [03:22]
mircea_popescu cool. [03:22]
CrazyLoafer just a crypto investor; saw a mention of this site and wanted to check it out [03:22]
mircea_popescu !topic [03:23]
cazalla CrazyLoafer, what are your investments? [03:23]
mircea_popescu hm that dun work huh. anyway, logs are in teh topic. [03:23]
CrazyLoafer BTC, LTC, XMR, some other smaller alts [03:23]
mircea_popescu which was xmr again ? [03:23]
CrazyLoafer monero [03:24]
CrazyLoafer rpietila's coin :P [03:24]
mircea_popescu haha i thought it was fluffypony 's [03:24]
CrazyLoafer well his too [03:24]
mircea_popescu wait. [03:24]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you actually met the silver baron dude ? [03:24]
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mircea_popescu !up artilectinc [03:30]
-assbot- You voiced artilectinc for 30 minutes. [03:30]
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mircea_popescu phf or for that matter wow style "rares" which everyone has. wtf is achievement even supposed to mean outside of a scarcity world. [03:30]
mircea_popescu dumbass ipad games, you tap the screen twice and it's CONGRATULATIONS! you're level 5. [03:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114303 @ 0.00055811 = 63.7936 BTC [+] {4} [03:32]
mircea_popescu which obviously, together with their inability to model, makes bullshit like "level caps" unavoidable and on and fucking on [03:32]
* mircea_popescu doesn't actually like anything about current games. [03:32]
mircea_popescu i guess the melonsized tits are ok, if pressed. [03:32]
* BingoBoingo built cal3d, building crystalspace, seeing later if Eulora builds [03:33]
mircea_popescu what on, ubuntu ? tis breezy [03:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: OpenBSD [03:33]
phf 3d jiggle technologies have gone a long way [03:33]
BingoBoingo cal3d was in ports, so yay [03:33]
mircea_popescu phf cheaper to just put one slave girl on twerk detail while playing an actual game [03:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo mind that you need a specific one. [03:33]
phf :D [03:33]
BingoBoingo Well only one way to find out [03:34]
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mircea_popescu this is true. [03:38]
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mircea_popescu if you manage to get it going on openbsd put the recipe in ima give you some gin or wine or something [03:39]
assbot Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( ) [03:39]
BingoBoingo K [03:40]
phf it seems like a tricky balance between integrity and fun. i've not thought about this enough, but it seems the more integrity you have in game the more you gain by not actually directly playing the game [03:41]
BingoBoingo I'm just trying the lazy way before actually hunting down the "correct" versions of Cal3d and crystalspace [03:41]
phf mining for example is usually solved either by people who have nothing better to do but grind, or else heavy scripting [03:41]
mircea_popescu eulora mining is complex. [03:45]
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mircea_popescu phf in any case, there is no actual incentive to bot, or i suppose the proper format would be to say everyone can bot just as well. [03:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00056172 = 37.0173 BTC [+] {2} [03:54]
phf i'm thinking i don't know enough about how eulora world works to say much. you mentioned that people are mapping mining locations, but then i tried searching for mushrooms around a location where i found them previously and couldn't find any [03:56]
phf so i'm sure there's some kind of logic there that i don't yet understand [03:56]
mircea_popescu sure. [03:57]
mircea_popescu but basically, from a player pov, the economy is elastic enough you can choose. you wish to risk 100 coppers per click, do X. you wish to risk 10k per click, no need to do X 100 times, can just as well do Y. [03:57]
mircea_popescu whereas in stupid games, it's "faucet X is the biggest, gotta bot this or bust". [03:58]
mircea_popescu and it has little to dowith bottage, it becomes a time arbitrage - if bots are prevented chinese farms will do it by hand [03:58]
phf seems like if i wanted to find them, i might as well write a bot that would do random walk, then explore, etc. let it run for a day. though that will cost me in pick quality. hmm [03:58]
mircea_popescu well yes. [03:58]
mircea_popescu that's exactly it. [03:58]
phf i see what you mean above [03:58]
phf right [03:58]
mircea_popescu some people enjoy the detail, they can do X. some people enjoy pacino's puckered asshole... let them do y. [03:59]
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mircea_popescu there's no level cap either, you can craft anything as a noob. [03:59]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yep I have, although afaik he's getting out the silver game [03:59]
mircea_popescu so is he for real ? [03:59]
mircea_popescu had the longest standing debate with hanbot, whether he's a superellaborate troll or what. [04:00]
fluffypony yeah, and he's a nice enough guy, had fun drinking with him in Berlin [04:00]
mircea_popescu nuts. [04:00]
fluffypony which of you said he isn't a troll? [04:00]
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mircea_popescu amusingly, we took turns at it over the years. [04:00]
fluffypony lol [04:00]
mircea_popescu but mostly, her. [04:01]
fluffypony CrazyLoafer: Risto holds XMR, and he's vocal, but he's not responsible for directing it in any way - [04:01]
assbot The People Behind Monero | Monero - secure, private, untraceable ... ( ) [04:01]
scoopbot_revived The increasingly tricky proposition of multiculturalism. [04:03]
mircea_popescu phf which is why it's fun - actually fun. because you gotta find a way. it's too complex to effectually model even, at least so far, so therefore what bots. [04:04]
mircea_popescu now, granted, this isn'tr most people's idea of fun - having an untractable problem in their lap. [04:05]
mircea_popescu then again, i don't give a shit about most people. [04:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58300 @ 0.0005575 = 32.5023 BTC [-] [04:07]
phf well, it was naive of me to expect a b-a game to be mindless ;) [04:08]
mircea_popescu it is pretty disruptive, or in the converse expression, it isn't at all described by what people think when they hear the word mmorpg. [04:11]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` btw, phf managed to get it going on os/x [04:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:18]
trinque [04:24]
assbot Donald Trump Calls FBI After El Chapo, Escaped Drug Lord, Threatens Him On Twitter ... ( ) [04:24]
mircea_popescu they'd better shut down his account! [04:24]
trinque seriously where are the administrators [04:24]
mircea_popescu threats are a serious matter. expecially on the internets! [04:24]
trinque lol [04:24]
trinque this would be the best publicity yet for mr trump [04:25]
mircea_popescu and especiallymost when directed at random starlets so desperate for publicity they'd eat their own head [04:26]
ag3nt_zer0 I struggle to see how cultural relativism, multiculturalism as manisfest in states, offers any sort of couldn't-do-without-benefit to the western civilizational heritage... It seems to be manifested as a hugely destructive and degenerative force in US regarding everything from lowered national debate standards to laxed educational standards, erosion of free speech, critical theory where it doesn't really belong, poltical [04:27]
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ag3nt_zer0 past and thus no concern for the future,, etc [04:27]
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mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 cultural relativism has just about nothing to do with multiculturalism [04:29]
mircea_popescu the relationship is quite akin fast food and cuisine. [04:29]
mircea_popescu mr tricatel isn't in any sense part of the academie francaise, that's for mr. duchemin [04:30]
mircea_popescu (you seen l'aile ou la cuisse ?) [04:30]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: in the states this is what it is [04:31]
mircea_popescu mno [04:31]
mircea_popescu "the states" isn't a special place where the derps can get 5 to be an transcendental if they so agree. [04:31]
ag3nt_zer0 I think we are talking about different thnigs here [04:31]
mircea_popescu aha ? [04:32]
ag3nt_zer0 Here it becomes simply a term that excuses all of that shit I described [04:32]
trinque I think we just wiped our ass with our only copy of the language. [04:32]
mircea_popescu sure, and there you also have "the country of africa" and assorted other fictions [04:32]
ag3nt_zer0 its lumped right there with tolerance and diversity [04:32]
ag3nt_zer0 I think Mark Steyn said multiculturalism is a unicultural phenomena [04:35]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: if that was for me, I haven't seen l'aile ou la cuisse [04:36]
trinque whatever one can say about multiculturalism, it's not going to come from any observation of the modern usa [04:37]
mircea_popescu so maybe check it out. it's the same discussion, except carried out in the 70s [04:37]
ag3nt_zer0 what about Sharia law in London? [04:37]
mircea_popescu what about it ? [04:38]
ag3nt_zer0 I mean I like the mexicans tacos for sure but the culture doesnt respect education in the same way... so there is a clash there [04:39]
trinque the education problem isn't their culture, it's the school's culture [04:39]
ag3nt_zer0 and the way it is dealt with in the west these days seems to just LCD everything [04:39]
mircea_popescu the who to the what now ? [04:39]
ag3nt_zer0 ok. does not Sharia Law conflict in a number of ways with the western "liberty traditon"? [04:40]
mircea_popescu i dunno. like which ways ? [04:41]
ag3nt_zer0 well for instance what's the left gonna do when the gays have issues with the muslims? [04:41]
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mircea_popescu this you gotta ask the left :) [04:42]
mircea_popescu but from the little i cared to read, it'd seem to me "sharia law" applies in london within sharia laws communities, which is not actually relevant to you. [04:43]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: I don't think thats the reason... Intelligence and motivation are greater than facilities and even teachers [04:43]
mircea_popescu what about "amish law" and whatever./ [04:43]
ag3nt_zer0 check US Ed Reform black hole for supporting statistics [04:43]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: my comment was about why you have to care whether they "respect education" [04:43]
trinque if so why are they in school [04:43]
trinque once they're there, how do you expect to fix it? [04:44]
trinque as for the sharia thing, they play that a lot in the "right" leaning news here [04:44]
trinque that europe is falling to teh muslims [04:44]
trinque probably about like maryland is falling to the blacks [04:44]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: I don't know what about Amish Law. [04:45]
mircea_popescu but there's this community of weirdos doing things like forcing kids to go without electricity. [04:45]
ag3nt_zer0 I see multiculturalism as about as well-intentioned as the food court in the mall [04:46]
mircea_popescu not to even go into the no-transfusion groups or whatnot. [04:46]
ag3nt_zer0 hmmm [04:46]
ag3nt_zer0 well I dont mind that [04:46]
mircea_popescu bully for you [04:46]
cazalla the no transfusion thing is bullshit .. i grew up with that and when push comes to shove, most opt to take blood [04:46]
mircea_popescu so what's this, we're gonna tailor the shoulds and should nots by what you mind ? [04:46]
ag3nt_zer0 haha no [04:46]
ag3nt_zer0 I dont see the connection [04:46]
mircea_popescu some people keep the kids in blessed underwear ; some people keep the kids without ipads ; some other people keep the kids in burkas [04:47]
ag3nt_zer0 Have you seen detroit? [04:47]
trinque yes but I don't like the burkas [04:47]
mircea_popescu what exactly is your choice paradigm to distinguish between these, and why exactly is it that the utah mormons don't bother you but the london muslims do. [04:47]
trinque that totalitarian thought gets buried deep. [04:48]
mircea_popescu to not even go into the chinatowns. those people put VINEGAR into their COOKED food, and sugar in things which are not desert. [04:48]
ag3nt_zer0 because the utah mormans are still under the umbrella of western aeonic development [04:48]
mircea_popescu this, in romania, is excomunication. [04:48]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wut. [04:48]
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chetty the difference is the mormons dont try to insist everyone should wear their underwear, the muslims get pretty insistant about burkas [04:50]
mircea_popescu o really ? [04:50]
ag3nt_zer0 different peoples just have different ways of doing things... this also means that they have different ways of doing civilization... so that maybe one group can't take the reigns from another without significant hardship and the potential high risk for failure and disaster [04:50]
ag3nt_zer0 see detroit maybe [04:50]
mircea_popescu i take it you've never had jehovites at the door chetty ? [04:50]
ag3nt_zer0 sure i have [04:50]
chetty well none of them ever tried to behead me for not listening [04:51]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 yeah well if the brits weren't some unvigorous waster cunts, mayb the muslims wouldn't HAVE TO take their country from them [04:51]
mircea_popescu how about that. [04:51]
trinque chetty: sounds like a defense problem [04:51]
trinque technology should solve that one [04:51]
mircea_popescu chetty as proven by what, that you still have your head ? maybe they tried but ineptly, like anything else they do [04:51]
chetty hahahaha [04:51]
mircea_popescu lol [04:51]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: how bout it. might be somethin to that [04:52]
trinque they did after all blow up that building that time [04:52]
mircea_popescu i dunno that muslims pester non muslim women to wear burkas. not anymore than catholics pester non catholic women about how to raise the children [04:52]
trinque and some other ones [04:52]
mircea_popescu but i did find out with dismay that the fucktarded usians convicted some dude to hard prison for fucking his partner on some beach [04:53]
trinque "florida man" [04:53]
mircea_popescu which to me personally is about as offensive as anything the mulsims do in their god forsaken desert shithole. [04:53]
ag3nt_zer0 "partner" haha [04:53]
chetty well if the news can be believed they are killing a lot of christians in the ME for not converting ... [04:53]
trinque it's really sad. reported as a pair of perverts because gasp, a 4 year old saw [04:53]
mircea_popescu what, like the us is killing a buncha ukrainians for same ? [04:54]
mircea_popescu war is war. tana-nanana [04:54]
ag3nt_zer0 oh thats bad [04:54]
mircea_popescu [04:54]
assbot Live is Life - Opus - YouTube ... ( ) [04:54]
ag3nt_zer0 let's talk about this again in 20 years! [04:55]
chetty MP just might feel a little different if he were female [04:55]
mircea_popescu well you'd feel a lot different if you were a lobster [04:55]
ag3nt_zer0 I, for one, can't wait for the premiere of I am Cait! [04:55]
mircea_popescu cuz iirc they don't eat lobster. [04:55]
mircea_popescu or wait, that's the jess [04:56]
mircea_popescu jews* [04:56]
cazalla ag3nt_zer0, are ya gonna gather the family round and watch together? [04:57]
ag3nt_zer0 given that the suicide rate is like 10 times higher if you are by "nature" transgender, I have this sick thought that it would be epic if I am Cait ended with a self inflicted shotgun blast to the head... [04:57]
trinque so this guy cut his dick off to land a TV series? [04:58]
mircea_popescu what's this thing anyway ? [04:58]
ag3nt_zer0 cazalla: yes [04:58]
ag3nt_zer0 Bruce Jender [04:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, there's a very readily obvious and openly available method to not have to suffer the indignities of the defeated. [05:00]
mircea_popescu don't fucking lose. [05:00]
ag3nt_zer0 [05:01]
assbot The European Grammar of Self-Intolerance [Jonathan Bowden] - YouTube ... ( ) [05:01]
cazalla ag3nt_zer0, the white guilt shit in that video, i don't really understand or grasp why people suffer from that [05:06]
trinque [05:06]
assbot Iran, big powers clinch landmark nuclear deal [05:06]
trinque so how long before saudi asks pakistan for one of its preordered nukes? [05:06]
trinque cazalla: me either [05:07]
ag3nt_zer0 well, ... the video is 12 minutes long and i posted it 6 minutes ago... maybe at least give the whole thought a listen [05:08]
cazalla ya, only 4m in [05:08]
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ag3nt_zer0 fwiw, I sat through college lectures on "micro-aggressions" where the big bad white man just sat there and took it that he was the bad guy [05:09]
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trinque I'm still listening to it [05:09]
ag3nt_zer0 that's the guilt [05:09]
ag3nt_zer0 or the cowardice [05:10]
ag3nt_zer0 whatever [05:10]
trinque yeah, american college is terrible [05:10]
trinque I was paid to go and still left [05:10]
punkman "“We’re dealing with basically tourists,” Dafonseca said. “They’re here on the beaches of Manatee County, our public beaches. So you want to make sure that this isn’t something that just goes by the wayside. And that it is well known to the community what will be tolerated and what won’t be.”" [05:10]
punkman ahaha [05:10]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: what guilt? the class is on teaching you that you're guilty. [05:10]
trinque so tell them to fuck themselves? [05:10]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah maybe [05:10]
ag3nt_zer0 but when you put in 7 years [05:10]
ag3nt_zer0 most arent willing to do that [05:11]
ag3nt_zer0 I did. [05:11]
trinque too bad for 'em [05:11]
ag3nt_zer0 but I was alone [05:11]
ag3nt_zer0 they were all busy loving [05:11]
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ag3nt_zer0 or chasing that psper [05:11]
ag3nt_zer0 I was terrified while I was doing it man... they held the power [05:11]
ag3nt_zer0 and I did it for stupid idealistic shit [05:12]
trinque I'm just a bag of mineral water walking around, man [05:12]
trinque fuck a national or cultural identity [05:12]
mircea_popescu haha mineral water srsly. [05:12]
ag3nt_zer0 like "if I dont stand up now, I cant tell studetns to later" [05:12]
ag3nt_zer0 haha... fortunately it worked out [05:12]
trinque this guy said hegemonic [05:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00056235 = 43.5821 BTC [+] {2} [05:13]
trinque yeah man, he's just giving people excuses for being confused about who they are [05:14]
trinque maybe it is harder in the shit ocean, but sucks for them [05:14]
ag3nt_zer0 Oh I love Bowden man [05:14]
trinque otherwise what, a better church? [05:14]
trinque or a mother-state? [05:14]
ag3nt_zer0 it's like medicine for california disease [05:14]
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trinque I am always suspicious of a person giving someone a very serious sounding description of an abstract mental dysfunction they have. [05:16]
trinque apply that to whatever you like [05:16]
trinque church, public school bureaucrats, so on [05:16]
cazalla ag3nt_zer0, i never finished school but by paying to attend these places of higher education, you are buying what they're selling whether it be white guilt or what not.. i ran into this type of shit in different jobs but i always just refused to go along with it and they were always stumped as what to do next [05:16]
trinque both for the obvious reason and because for the person hearing it, it sounds like a damned fancy excuse to not put themselves together [05:16]
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cazalla in the mid 90s students were asked to sign a "sorry book" apologising to the australian aboriginies.. i just refused to sign it and that was that, if the other students had simply done the same, it would not have gained any traction, there was no consequence for not signing the stupid fucking book [05:18]
punkman "Jose Caballero, 40, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison today for an X-rated beach frolic he had with Elissa Alvarez, 21, last July. Both Caballero and Alvarez will both have to register as sex offenders for their mischief, which involved copulating on a crowded beach, in the middle of the day, in front of a four-year-old." [05:18]
trinque lol! sorry book! [05:18]
punkman only 2.5 years [05:18]
trinque cazalla: that's hilarious [05:18]
trinque we're just supposed to look sadly at the page of the book on the trail of tears for a few minutes, then move on [05:18]
cazalla but these fucking drones just signed it and passed it to the next person, i never really understood that [05:19]
punkman sorry book indeed [05:19]
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ag3nt_zer0 trinque: fuck a national or cultural identity - i used to feel that way... but I always felt like you can go the other way too... thinking that things matter. So, it's from there that I would ask are a culture and, much later, a nation, originally expressions of individual races? [05:19]
cazalla but anyway.. what is that saying.. a nation can survive anything but treachery from within.. mircea_popescu is right that if you don't want to suffer this, don't be on the losing team.. if muslims ride into battle and rape and kill all the english (or australians) than i guess so be it, only thing i despite more than the muslims are the limp wristed whites [05:20]
mircea_popescu it'll do them a lot of good [05:21]
mircea_popescu the people born of that will not suck so much [05:21]
mircea_popescu punkman and she's pretty, too. [05:22]
trinque she got less time, maybe because of that? [05:22]
trinque or maybe she turned on him and signed the "yes we actually fucked" papers [05:23]
mircea_popescu cazalla so people wanna play this kink for a while, big whoop. [05:23]
mircea_popescu trinque or maybe they just dunno wtf they're doing, spinning the wheel of morality over there [05:23]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: I still feel that way btw... I just oscillate in efforts to destroy what I thought earlier [05:23]
trinque who trusted us with a country [05:23]
mircea_popescu "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ? [05:24]
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mircea_popescu nothing can happen "in front of a four year old". because no four year old is the fucking axis of thew world already [05:24]
punkman trinque: she got no time [05:25]
trinque lol! [05:25]
trinque well good, it's only penises that are illegal anyway [05:25]
ag3nt_zer0 cazalla: yes I bought what they sold and willingly... and I am that now [05:26]
punkman [05:26]
assbot This rapper shot a police officer. Will 'Stand Your Ground' set him free? | Fusion ... ( ) [05:26]
BingoBoingo What's the weirdest node useragent everyone is connected to right now. I'm apparently peering with: "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.11.99/Gangnam Style:v1.00XL", [05:27]
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cazalla what is the command BingoBoingo [05:33]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Depends on your version. In 0.7 getpeerinfo was introduced [05:33]
BingoBoingo Otherwise I guess you gotta check the logs [05:33]
cazalla "subver" : "/btcwire:0.2.0/", have not seen this one before [05:35]
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cazalla meh nothing interesting, only 30 odd connections.. was over 100 for a few weeks but dropped off for some reason [05:36]
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mircea_popescu !up Itile [05:46]
-assbot- You voiced Itile for 30 minutes. [05:46]
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Itile Hi all. When bet 1158 will be payed, who know? [05:48]
cazalla Itile, you win that one too eh? [05:49]
mircea_popescu tonight prolly. [05:50]
cazalla i believe bets are paid 2 days from resolved now [05:50]
Itile 3 days 7 hours [05:50]
* mircea_popescu blames bitcoin. [05:51]
cazalla poor Itile, waiting like patience on a monument over here [05:51]
mircea_popescu guy got a point. [05:52]
Itile What is maximum of delaying in days? Faq not answer this. [05:52]
cazalla eh i'm waiting too, i could bitch that kakobrekla should pay as fast as he collects but who'd listen, i'm sure it'll be paid [05:52]
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punkman how long did ya hold out cazalla [05:53]
mircea_popescu Itile you mean maximum so far ? i dunno, something like a week on contentious bets iirc. [05:53]
cazalla punkman, about 6 weeks.. not drinking sorta reminded me of why i drank in the first place [05:54]
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BingoBoingo Ah, an empty block 365248 [05:55]
assbot Bitcoin Block #365248 ... ( ) [05:55]
mircea_popescu why was that ? [05:55]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, me? [05:56]
mircea_popescu ya [05:56]
cazalla meh i dunno, it's a good friend in that you don't see it for a while but you just pick up where you left off [05:58]
cazalla can't say that about many other people in my life [05:58]
BingoBoingo So, asciilifeform's node is connected to [05:59]
assbot Transactions Relayed By - ... ( ) [05:59]
BingoBoingo cazalla: You had a good run [06:00]
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Itile Bet 1090 was resolved 30-06, but payed 11-07. Why so long period? 11 days! [06:01]
BingoBoingo Very contentious stuff that bat [06:02]
cazalla BingoBoingo, yeah longer than i thought i'd last.. i'll enjoy this bottle and then take another break i think [06:04]
mircea_popescu Itile a contentious bet can linger forever. [06:04]
punkman was USMS the longest bet? [06:08]
mircea_popescu possibru [06:09]
mircea_popescu bfl was also open for a while [06:09]
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punkman kakobrekla: 10/10 customer support, would buy again [15:56]
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mircea_popescu << myeah working on it. [16:13]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 12:32:12; jurov: ;;isup [16:13]
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mircea_popescu << i am never using cloudflare. [16:14]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 14:43:36; fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive [16:14]
nubbins` !up ascii_field [16:14]
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mircea_popescu and the infortmation of WHO READS IT is not usg's business. [16:14]
nubbins` why not use windows for casual web browsing? [16:14]
nubbins` it's not like the etc etc [16:14]
nubbins` why not smash your dick with a hammer? [16:14]
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nubbins` etc [16:15]
mircea_popescu "Please understand that you mentioned you accept "Bitcoin" as a method of payment. Some online payment companies are fairly new and inexperienced and they do not provide sufficient fraud protection to members. When we review payment methods to determine whether they are allowed on eBay, two key factors that we consider are "Security and Safety" and "Ease of use". Please do not offer this payment method." [16:15]
mircea_popescu fucktards. [16:15]
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mircea_popescu "ideology" ? yeah, that's right : usg's fucking ideology. [16:15]
ascii_field ferfuxxake, direct fiefdom of paypal [16:16]
ascii_field who exactly expected to be able to use btc there [16:16]
ag3nt_zer0 good morning [16:16]
mircea_popescu dude, forget this expecting. [16:16]
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mircea_popescu im not setting mental limits on the basis of implicit conventions. [16:17]
mircea_popescu << myeah. [16:17]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism. [16:17]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I didn't mean indefinitely [16:17]
fluffypony I meant whilst this is going on [16:17]
mircea_popescu if i recall this was discussed, i was spouting things like "sort the tx pool by value per byte, kick out bad txn and nodes that propose them, always offer a buttered selection to askers" [16:17]
ascii_field no, i meant what i said and i said what i meant, walrus is certain one hundred percent (tm) (r) [16:17]
ascii_field gotta evict from cache or crash [16:18]
ascii_field unbounded data structure + finite ram == barf [16:18]
ag3nt_zer0 the funnies: [16:19]
assbot Philosophers Football - Monty Python's Fliegender Zirkus - YouTube ... ( ) [16:19]
ascii_field we have two of these left: the block index (discussed previously, 300 byte per blk) and the mempool. [16:19]
thestringpuller ascii_field: you can set the policy to drop tx's without fees from the mempool i though [16:20]
trinque buhhh no search [16:20]
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trinque so suppose I dropped a link to last night's islam thread [16:20]
ascii_field thestringpuller: not the answer to 'potentially infinite liquid shit in a finite bag' [16:21]
trinque it's a problem solved by both the WoT and building cities according to a concept of "good standing == access" not universal access for all [16:21]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i dun parse that, are you disagreeing or wut ? [16:21]
trinque cardano would be a nice device for this [16:21]
trinque you go up to some gate and do assbot-style authentication [16:21]
trinque and either enter or don't [16:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: was trying to point out that we need a mechanism to manage mempool on the node. just simple oldest-evict for starters. [16:22]
ascii_field rather than 'oomkill because retarded' [16:22]
mircea_popescu if we're going to do this, which is nonstandard, a) better make it good. [16:22]
ascii_field like i said for the orphans, [16:22]
ascii_field IT ALREADY DIES [16:22]
mircea_popescu there is no benefit to half-solving the problem. [16:22]
ascii_field already has the limit [16:22]
ascii_field sheer physical limit. [16:22]
ascii_field so where is this 'nonstandard.' ~ANY~ machine has finite ram, it is entirely standard. [16:23]
thestringpuller would this be first in first out type of mechanism? [16:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41922 @ 0.00055874 = 23.4235 BTC [-] [16:23]
thestringpuller oldest tx's get evicted first for newer tx's received? [16:24]
ascii_field for starters. [16:24]
ascii_field this is closest to the default behavior (death of whole node) [16:24]
mircea_popescu so, how about, something like this : 1. pogo acquires max memory to be used for tx pool ; 2. pogo accepts txn into this until full ; 3. pogo calculates per byte value for eacxh accepted txn ; 4. pogo accepts new txn only if their per-byte value constitutes an increase to its pool ; 5. pogo keeps a score on all nodes ir EVER SAW, by IP! as to what txn it sent : -so much for sending unacceptable txn, + so much for sendin [16:24]
mircea_popescu g accepted txn. then it refuses connectioon to shit nodes. permanently. it still reads from them, but sends nothing. [16:24]
ascii_field did mircea_popescu just ask for a <=4GB db ? [16:24]
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mircea_popescu this way, our nonstandard behaviour can at least be excused, nodes will continue to peer us for economic reasons, and your dream fo someday someone mining off a pogo may come closer. [16:25]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field nothing wrong with keeping a finite ip db and flushing the lowest entries as needed, just like iptables works. [16:25]
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mircea_popescu ideally the -so much, +so much and min_node_value are to be set in config file by user. [16:27]
ascii_field this is not a bad scheme, but - complicated [16:27]
mircea_popescu not worth doing the other one. you'll just end up isolated on the network. [16:27]
ascii_field 'why not start small, he said, offering the yoga n00b a single nail' [16:27]
ascii_field no more isolated than if you do nothing [16:28]
ascii_field and crash [16:28]
* mircea_popescu , master of bitesizes. [16:28]
mircea_popescu yes. that's isolated. [16:28]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: briefly describe hypothesis re: why an evict-oldest mempool node would end up isolated [16:29]
mircea_popescu because you present an arbitrary fraction of the current mempool, there is no incentive for anyone to peer you. [16:29]
mircea_popescu you may either present : a) the whole mempool (current best behaviour) or b) a selected fraction (hopefully future best behaviour) [16:30]
ascii_field this is different from 'isolated.' isolated would mean that extant nodes auto-drop you [16:30]
ascii_field 'no incentive' for most of the network participants to do what they are doing - is the current situation. [16:30]
mircea_popescu i didn't mean that isolated. i just meant, "and it never amounted to anything" isolated [16:30]
ascii_field ok [16:30]
ascii_field then - yes [16:31]
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mircea_popescu << this is actually not bad an idea [16:32]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 15:08:39; jurov: dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come [16:32]
mircea_popescu << eh stfu. [16:34]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 15:40:48; funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend, there are a few others that will get your tx to miners [16:34]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains. [16:35]
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ascii_field possibly the most dangerous change yet proposed [16:35]
mircea_popescu but it is i think the first chance to actually improve on extant code by writing something since the start of this project. rather than just cutting warts off and sewing the crater together [16:35]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:35]
ascii_field i dare say the second [16:35]
ascii_field parallel verif. - also useful [16:35]
ascii_field (and approximately same complexity) [16:36]
nubbins` <+ascii_field> who exactly expected to be able to use btc there <<< once listed a casascius coin on ebay. a buyer messaged me through the site asking to pay in btc :o [16:36]
mircea_popescu ah right [16:36]
mircea_popescu o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ? [16:36]
ascii_field nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine [16:36]
mircea_popescu ascii_field his point was "who expects". apparently, buyer. [16:36]
ascii_field but if you accept anything but paypal - can be thrown out of 'ebay' [16:36]
ascii_field aha [16:37]
ascii_field << consider posting some pseudocode for this, if you have a notion of how it oughta work [16:41]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 19:31:33; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains. [16:41]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: why would the network isolate you if you're dropping tx's out of the mempool? [16:41]
thestringpuller it seems this is broken, if tx's oom a nodes' mempool wouldn't this technically be a fraction of the mempool shared by other nodes with more memory? [16:42]
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thestringpuller this being the default functionality [16:42]
ascii_field precisely what i said. [16:42]
mircea_popescu << you can't, and fuck your stupid mother for fucking the lousy drunk that would spring forth an attempted abortion such as yourself for EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT. [16:43]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from [16:43]
ascii_field thestringpuller: but it is also true that most nodes presently have sufficient physical ram to hold the mempool [16:43]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller the notion that bitcoin is open "to everyone" does not include fromfuctorhead above. [16:43]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is open for everyone who can keep the whole thing. the whole blockchain, the whole mempool, etc. [16:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00056844 = 24.6703 BTC [+] {2} [16:48]
mircea_popescu << o motherfucker will there be no end of this idiocy [16:48]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 16:58:35; fromphuctor: im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed [16:48]
chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [16:48]
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ben_vulpes phrance! [16:49]
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ben_vulpes whoa mp's getting out the banhammer [16:49]
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mircea_popescu no dude, "the consumers have come to expect". pssshhh [16:50]
trinque ... and it's a beneficial service?! [16:51]
trinque for free!! [16:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: you know that's the shared arse for everyone who comes in from, right ? [16:51]
trinque say "thank you" [16:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86082 @ 0.00056869 = 48.954 BTC [+] {2} [16:51]
mircea_popescu ascii_field on the same ip. [16:51]
ascii_field ah [16:51]
trinque ascii_field: but he banned the specific mask for that user [16:51]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ? <<< just coming up for air 8) [16:51]
ascii_field ah i c [16:51]
ascii_field l0lz [16:51]
ascii_field imho the fella was trolling [16:52]
ascii_field he didn't claim a name, or a key, much less a signature of one with the other [16:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33529 @ 0.00056879 = 19.071 BTC [+] [16:52]
nubbins` <+ascii_field> nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine <<< i suggested to buyer we take tx off-site; he agreed. mildly surprised message filters or smth didn't get in the way [16:52]
ascii_field and readily admitted to having uploaded it himself, to sks [16:52]
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ascii_field nubbins`: 'How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard...' [16:53]
ben_vulpes trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert [16:53]
nubbins` 8) [16:53]
ascii_field (tm) (r) [16:53]
nubbins` and yet here we are [16:53]
ben_vulpes trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext [16:53]
ben_vulpes WOO [16:53]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes everyone emails passwords in plaintext. EVERYONE [16:54]
mircea_popescu it's fucking retarded. [16:54]
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ben_vulpes the *stored* password [16:54]
ben_vulpes the *unsalted* *unhashed* *stored* password [16:54]
nubbins` i used to work for big insurance co [16:54]
mircea_popescu well if you email it anyway... why bother with bcrypt ? [16:54]
nubbins` called helpdesk one day with an issue [16:54]
mircea_popescu cheaper to sniff mail than to break server. [16:54]
nubbins` they asked me for my password over the phone [16:54]
nubbins` "you want me to just say it?" [16:55]
mircea_popescu and it happened to be drop table if exist dash dash ? [16:55]
trinque ben_vulpes: lawl [16:55]
nubbins` "but i work in a cubicle" [16:55]
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thestringpuller ;;isup [16:57]
gribble is down [16:57]
thestringpuller damn. down all day. [16:57]
trinque that idea of opening a gate with a cardano... really fun [16:58]
trinque I can't wait to hold one in my hands [16:58]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:58]
ascii_field waitwut [16:59]
ascii_field opening a gate ? [16:59]
ascii_field i can't wait to see all the nails folks try to pound in with this microscope. [16:59]
trinque ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence [16:59]
trinque I've actually had a few dreams about such a place [17:00]
thestringpuller what if someone steals your cardano? [17:00]
thestringpuller lol [17:00]
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trinque thestringpuller: same answer as if someone steals your anything [17:00]
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trinque what's better, a retinal scan? lol [17:00]
ascii_field we had this thread [17:01]
ascii_field with mr ninjaspam [17:01]
ascii_field see logz. [17:01]
trinque ascii_field: which? stolen cardano? [17:01]
ascii_field aha [17:01]
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trinque seems you'd have some other key elsewhere, you'd sign your cardano key [17:02]
trinque and you could perhaps sign a "my cardano was stolen" message to address thestringpuller [17:02]
ascii_field << this appears in, among other places, 'beneath a steel sky'. [17:02]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 19:56:20; trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence [17:02]
mircea_popescu ascii_field garage door! [17:02]
trinque ascii_field: neat [17:02]
ascii_field trinque: also not so easy. see the key revocation thread of last month. [17:03]
trinque k [17:03]
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trinque in this case presumably the city itself would be controlled by someone in particular [17:04]
trinque so it is a centralized problem [17:04]
trinque *he* grants you access or does not [17:04]
ben_vulpes zhe [17:04]
trinque so there is a central point which can reject the key in the future [17:04]
trinque ben_vulpes: the lesbian dreadfort notwithstanding [17:05]
ascii_field assbotburg [17:05]
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ascii_field perhaps folks who are '! downed' will slide, literally, down a chute. [17:06]
mircea_popescu cryptoguillotine ? [17:06]
ascii_field cryptodulap. [17:06]
mircea_popescu not sure i wanna see that. [17:06]
nubbins` cryptooubliette [17:09]
nubbins` hm. cryptoubliette? [17:09]
ascii_field we did that one here [17:10]
ascii_field 'coke machine' [17:10]
nubbins` bbl [17:12]
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thestringpuller #b-a labeled gasenwagens? [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00057034 = 33.0797 BTC [+] {2} [17:15]
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mod6 !up ascii_field [17:23]
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mircea_popescu gernika_ it's up and down as i have the 363736 issue examined. [17:29]
mircea_popescu by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain. [17:29]
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mircea_popescu relatedly : i am reasonably satisfied the ~950 kb single tx a few days ago was trying its best to make pre 0.10 clients unable to verify the chain anymore. [17:35]
ascii_field ^ mechanism ? [17:35]
mircea_popescu it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have. [17:35]
ascii_field would love to read the logic behind this hypothesis [17:35]
ascii_field (i [17:35]
ascii_field 've been looking myself, for this) [17:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field not fully understood yet, but it seems to exploit a buffer overflow in their own fucktarded code. [17:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens. [17:36]
ascii_field i still have a 0.8, it runs [17:36]
mircea_popescu but i said 6 or 7 [17:36]
ascii_field ah hm [17:36]
ascii_field BingoBoingo ^ ? [17:36]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't work ALL the time either [17:37]
ascii_field broomstick only needs to shoot once [17:38]
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ascii_field << waitasec, how's that work [17:39]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:01; mircea_popescu: it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have. [17:39]
ascii_field afaik i'm the only one actually running a public-facing realbitcoinotron [17:39]
mircea_popescu the stator nodes don't suffer from it [17:39]
ascii_field ah [17:40]
mircea_popescu and no, i have nfi why [17:40]
ascii_field actually i think i do [17:40]
mircea_popescu hm ? [17:40]
ascii_field we cremate orphan tx. and the 'tx spam' is sent in rapid succession, and depends on previous instances of same, and hence spends much of its life cycle as 'orphan tx' [17:41]
mircea_popescu oh [17:41]
ascii_field aha. [17:41]
mircea_popescu yeah very probable. [17:41]
* ascii_field does these things for actual reasonz [17:41]
mircea_popescu yeah you know what, this work actually made a difference. [17:42]
ascii_field spiffy. [17:42]
mircea_popescu i have nfi where i'd be had b-a never happened and foundation never happened and etc, trying to make sense of this situation [17:42]
ascii_field probably somewhere deep in the 2012 shitter [17:42]
mircea_popescu as it is, i'll be moving infrastructure to strator. [17:42]
* ascii_field will enjoy reading mircea_popescu's old node if he ever gets tired of it and prints it [17:43]
mircea_popescu *towards* i guess, is the better word [17:43]
mircea_popescu neway, needless to say, i'm actually impressed. for once world of shit averted. [17:44]
mircea_popescu had no particular expectation to see anything like this yet, either. [17:44]
ascii_field how, i must say i wonder, did mircea_popescu even persuade anyone to shovel the sheer tonnage of shit to write his soviet pdp clone 0.6 [17:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113593 @ 0.00054082 = 61.4334 BTC [-] {2} [17:44]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it's complicated. [17:44]
ascii_field if it was written by a phriend, i would love to see him among our number here. [17:44]
mircea_popescu but the truth, in general, is that closed systems have a very short shelf life. you can get away with it for a matter of years, maybe, if you're very good at managing it. not decades. [17:45]
gernika <+mircea_popescu> by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain. << got it. switched to another node and now syncing. [17:45]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Takes about as much time as any other "problematic" block but gets chewed through just the same [17:50]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: 0.7 ? [17:51]
mircea_popescu what machine ? what's logs say ? [17:51]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: 0.7.2 Just renumbered it to advertise as [17:52]
ascii_field incidentally, there's never been a better time to open a zoo of these [17:52]
ascii_field all known versions, etc [17:52]
mircea_popescu hm. might be too late. [17:52]
mircea_popescu yes. [17:52]
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mircea_popescu very much so. [17:53]
ascii_field not too late, flood of crud still going strong. [17:53]
mircea_popescu the "tx spam" bs never did anything. [17:53]
mircea_popescu best i could tell anyway [17:53]
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ascii_field it 'did' the 950+kB blox, what else [17:53]
mircea_popescu ah in that sense [17:54]
ascii_field aha. [17:54]
mircea_popescu nah, that block was a single tx. [17:54]
mircea_popescu and it was not even relayed (as it's not in fact relayable) [17:54]
ascii_field the one moving to/from 6-char brainwallets [17:54]
ascii_field afaik it is part of the overall crap fleet. [17:54]
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BingoBoingo Ah, looks like megatx never got here [17:59]
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mircea_popescu well that'd explain it. [18:04]
thestringpuller << interesting haven't finished it tho [18:04]
thestringpuller but love the line "This compulsion means that, for the first time, the opinion of the ignorant masses (if misled, or merely divided) can actually destroy Bitcoin." [18:05]
ben_vulpes << twas my assperience [18:12]
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ben_vulpes phf: didja grunt out a script or something else i could try? [18:13]
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mircea_popescu << here's the woman, and here's the tech. therefore, woman in tech. [18:16]
mircea_popescu any questions [18:16]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: don't you mean tech in women? [18:31]
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ben_vulpes thestringpuller: aka teledildonics? [18:41]
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Adlai straw poll here, please [19:19]
Adlai who's ever had somebody try to sell them bitcoins unsolicited? [19:19]
fluffypony everyone [19:19]
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* Adlai only lost that cherry tonight [19:19]
ascii_field Adlai: not me [19:19]
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Adlai aha [19:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2000 @ 0.00111 = 2.22 BTC [19:19]
trinque then the guy tried to give me some oddly [19:20]
mats smells like a trap [19:20]
trinque a miniscule amount [19:20]
* Adlai is guessing that ascii_field steers clear of bitcoin "meetups", of all their shapes and forms [19:20]
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trinque mine was some scamzor from otc [19:20]
Adlai exactly. i ratted the guy out in front of the group, it was a little hilarious [19:20]
Adlai suddenly everybody tries to buy [19:20]
* ascii_field never went to anything even vaguely bitcoin-related in the flesh other than for mircea_popescu's c2 and c3 [19:20]
Adlai HOW MUCH DID HE WANT etc [19:20]
Adlai ascii_field: bitcoin != Bitcoins [19:21]
Adlai shit [19:21]
Adlai but you get the idea [19:21]
Adlai one of those was a typo [19:21]
ascii_field not them, either [19:21]
ascii_field i live in wrong part of the world for this [19:21]
Adlai as though i'm in the right part! [19:21]
Adlai now it's my turn to 'lol' [19:21]
ascii_field although university of maryland did have buterin over as guest speaker, apparently, some months ago [19:22]
ascii_field i entirely missed this. [19:22]
Adlai one good thing did come of the meetup, my new Bitcoin Price Index is fees/coin [19:22]
ascii_field (they also had obama, no less than twice. also missed that. snore.) [19:22]
Adlai the question is... which percentile of "fees" is used in the calculation [19:22]
Adlai thus our answer is in fact just another question [19:23]
mats missed it? as in, you wanted to go? [19:23]
ascii_field no. [19:23]
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ascii_field missed as in, was vaguely aware and didn't give a flying fuck [19:24]
Adlai please tell me it was the same event [19:24]
ascii_field dun think so [19:24]
Adlai last i heard, from the most reputable of reputables, obama was gunna "crush" bitcoin [19:25]
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Adlai few days later, 300, 160, who knows what. here we are today. [19:25]
* Adlai goodnight [19:25]
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pete_dushenski the only thing obama is gonna crush are his video game enemies in 'easy' mode. [19:28]
pete_dushenski the dude couldn't even put boots on the ground in syria, as fucking if he could do better than gavin and hearn. [19:29]
mats hey, he armed ISIS. close enough to 'boots on the ground'. [19:29]
pete_dushenski he could -maybe- throw a wrench in some up and coming social media app. maybe.. [19:29]
pete_dushenski mats lol. now helping the enemy win is a victory ! [19:30]
pete_dushenski because hey, can't just be losing wars for two generations straight. [19:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35231 @ 0.00054945 = 19.3577 BTC [-] {2} [19:31]
pete_dushenski gotta find victories wherever you can. and, hell, just create them ex nihilo everywhere else. [19:31]
mats well, they weren't the enemy at the time. just 'moderates' looking for cash and weapons to fight al-Assad [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75769 @ 0.00054324 = 41.1608 BTC [-] [19:32]
mats circa 2011 iirc [19:32]
pete_dushenski maybe if obama promises to pay eternal tribute to the caliphate, isis won't wipe his face in his own vomit. [19:32]
mats hard to anticipate, they've gotta take baghdad first [19:32]
pete_dushenski mats sure, in dreamlandia where anyone can be allies with the devil and then turn their back on him whenever they feel like it with no repercussions. [19:33]
mats iran and the saudis are active in the region and may crush them yet [19:33]
mats out of sheer self-interest and to return the balance of power to as it was [19:33]
pete_dushenski saudis will fall to isis. [19:33]
pete_dushenski there's little doubt of that. [19:33]
mats i doubt it. [19:34]
pete_dushenski saudis are already teetering on the bring of self-immolation post-abdullah [19:34]
pete_dushenski brink* [19:34]
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pete_dushenski i dun seriously think that the saudis are ruthless enough nor rich enough to win this contest [19:35]
trinque and ISIS is rich enough? [19:35]
trinque how many oil fields do they have now? [19:35]
pete_dushenski a couple anyways. [19:36]
pete_dushenski but isis has a sufficiently powerful 'why' that their soldiers are cheap and oh so very cut throat [19:36]
trinque this much is true, yet [19:36]
* trinque checks over his shoulder [19:37]
pete_dushenski saudis don't stand for jack shit [19:37]
trinque no isis yet boss [19:37]
trinque just a lovely landscape [19:37]
trinque among other things I think whatever successes ISIS has had reflect that nobody really wants to have Iraq or Syria be their problem [19:37]
pete_dushenski and why should the middle east be anyone's problem other than that of the middle easterners ? [19:38]
trinque I am talking about middle eastern powers [19:38]
trinque I am not a scholar on the subject, but it seems as an outsider that the major factors are Saudi, Iran and Israel [19:39]
trinque those seem to be perpetually beating war drums against eachother; perhaps ISIS is a complicating factor in that situation which none want to approach lest they unbalance the former [19:39]
decimation saudis are not ruthless enough < I strongly doubt. Saudis would throw every merc in the world at someone challenging their rule [19:40]
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decimation also they would very likely summon usg [19:40]
pete_dushenski trinque those 3, yes, plus usa currently holding down the eastern corners of the mediterranean with turkey and egypt [19:40]
pete_dushenski decimation again, only if they can afford it [19:40]
pete_dushenski it's incredibly, almost impossibly expensive to fight against an opponent as ideologically driven as isis (or b, tmsr~) [19:41]
decimation if there's a threat to saudi rule - it's their own stomachs: [19:41]
assbot Why the Saudis Are Going Solar - The Atlantic ... ( ) [19:41]
decimation pete_dushenski: not really, it's quite simple, they would fall to a single marine division if on the field in open battle [19:42]
decimation however, trying to dislodge them in an occupation war is another matter [19:42]
trinque right [19:42]
pete_dushenski aha, again, the expense of occupation of syria/lebanon is more than any soi-dissant 'world power' can seem to muster. [19:43]
decimation yes, agreed [19:43]
decimation mainly because nobody can convince themselves to give enough of a shit [19:43]
pete_dushenski so battles can be won against isis, wars will be lost. [19:43]
trinque it's reasonable to say that the appetite for total war in the west... ^ [19:43]
trinque right [19:43]
decimation yes, isis is much too young to expand beyond iraq/syria [19:44]
decimation in 30 years after their rule is solidified... [19:44]
trinque if what's said about their regressiveness regarding science is true, they're not going to amount to anything [19:44]
pete_dushenski it won't take a generation if the saudi's run out of oil money [19:44]
decimation aye, true [19:45]
trinque they're going to what, shout about allah and shoot hand-me-down russian weapons? [19:45]
trinque and the force of their will alone will overcome? [19:45]
trinque I don't buy it at all [19:45]
pete_dushenski trinque well, the west's 'science' is a largely (if not entirely) a lot of fluff 'epidemiology' [19:45]
trinque they're a nuisance and if they become anything more they'll all be killed [19:45]
trinque pete_dushenski: that has little to do with them ignoring the subject entirely [19:46]
trinque I bet central americans had a great deal of "will" too [19:46]
pete_dushenski i see them as being quite related, if throwing out the baby with the bathwater. [19:46]
pete_dushenski trinque sorry, you're saying that isis is a nuisance that'll be wiped out if they get too uppity ?? [19:47]
trinque I am indeed. [19:47]
decimation it's political suicide in the us to commit to another full-scale middle east war, which is what is giving isis breathing room [19:47]
pete_dushenski hm. i don't underestimate them to the same degree. [19:47]
trinque pete_dushenski: I could very well see something 20 years down the line that's much different [19:48]
trinque but it would require them getting that far [19:48]
pete_dushenski isis will continue to grow, because that's what lifeforms do : they grow. [19:48]
trinque they also go extinct [19:48]
pete_dushenski so it'll start with syria/lebanon and keep going [19:48]
trinque one might speculate it will; we'll see [19:48]
pete_dushenski to saudi arabia, yemen, egypt, etc. [19:48]
decimation maybe, but if this happens it probably won't be through open battle [19:49]
pete_dushenski decimation i'm with you there. [19:49]
pete_dushenski if isis is undone, it'll be from 'multicultural' technology [19:49]
pete_dushenski from the inside out. [19:49]
pete_dushenski i don't see an external player that has the means or the will to take them down. they're no wimpy upstart. isis means business. [19:50]
trinque sure, and their ideology is based on magical thinking [19:50]
pete_dushenski as all populist ideologies must be. [19:50]
pete_dushenski hell, even the 'elite' ideologies can fall victim to dreams. [19:51]
trinque let me put it this way: if something doesn't come along that could squash an ISIS in a moment, that's on us. [19:51]
trinque they're primitive morons with weapons somebody else's war machine manufactured [19:51]
trinque sitting on oil wells they didn't drill [19:52]
pete_dushenski so what, bitcoin made the computers, chips, and internet infrastructure that it's taking over the world with ? [19:52]
pete_dushenski we're all sitting on 5-10 year old hardware. idjits would readily call this 'primitive' [19:53]
trinque I do not see the equivalence at all [19:53]
pete_dushenski what you want 'advanced' weapons like nukes ? [19:53]
trinque isis is a cargo cult thinking allah will bring them more russian or american weapons if they piss in the wind some more [19:53]
trinque they will never make anything themselves [19:53]
decimation tribalism is in the bones over there, I find it unlikely that a political entity could centralize power effectively [19:54]
pete_dushenski trinque the equivalence is in the disruptive potential [19:54]
trinque as for bitcoin, one *would* hope those working within it do understand the mechanics of the technology involved [19:54]
trinque pete_dushenski: of what [19:54]
trinque on ISIS' side [19:54]
trinque there's nothing novel or interesting about their ideology [19:55]
pete_dushenski the nation states of the middle east as we know/knew them. [19:55]
trinque mongols they are not [19:55]
trinque they're not going to build a working empire when they're done [19:55]
pete_dushenski doesn't appear to me that they're trying to build an 'empire' in the centralised sense of the term [19:55]
pete_dushenski decimation perhaps not. though if you spill enough blood... [19:56]
phf ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle [19:56]
pete_dushenski trinque i mean hey, if isis were going the centralised route, don't you think they'd have a king or ruler already ? [19:57]
trinque they've got that baghdadi guy [19:57]
decimation they do [19:57]
assbot Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [19:57]
trinque and if they can't organize past that level, all the better [19:57]
pete_dushenski instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag [19:57]
trinque mongols had a khan [19:58]
trinque furthermore if all they can manage is guns and missiles, the non-morons that understand science can respond with defensive technology that makes that irrelevant [19:59]
pete_dushenski not necessarily [19:59]
pete_dushenski under your defensive technology is a satellite colony orbiting the earth [19:59]
trinque cities have defended themselves well against raiding hordes of morons before [20:00]
pete_dushenski ideologies will rip through the heart of whatever armour you've got. [20:00]
trinque we build them today like they're safe from all that [20:00]
trinque doesn't mean we have to [20:00]
trinque and theirs is what? [20:00]
trinque praise be to allah the space god and pass the ammunition? [20:00]
trinque come on [20:00]
pete_dushenski trinque pre-instant communication tech, sure. [20:00]
pete_dushenski protecting yourself used to be a physical issue. [20:01]
trinque and how is their ideology going to rip through my heart? [20:01]
pete_dushenski i'm not saying it will. [20:02]
pete_dushenski i'm saying that it's war. [20:02]
trinque ah well there we agree [20:02]
pete_dushenski only the losers get ripped. [20:02]
trinque I would just like to see bitcoin kill these morons too [20:02]
trinque 2015 is no place for desert gods [20:03]
trinque (unless as I said, it's outside great cryptographic walls) [20:03]
pete_dushenski well, human brains are still human brains, i'm afraid [20:03]
trinque might very well be that something like ISIS will kill a great many "westerners" in the future [20:04]
pete_dushenski and it'll take more than a generation, or even a hundred, to change our defaults [20:04]
trinque and I could still imagine a world where I don't care [20:04]
pete_dushenski trinque for sure, because those 'westerners' are a bunch of blinded sheep who could use a good raping [20:05]
trinque I had this incredibly vivid dream years ago of a city which denied access based on some mechanism (undefined in the dream) of verifying identity and relationship to those dwelling within [20:06]
trinque walls and automated weapons prevented entry by unsanctioned means [20:07]
trinque entering the gate meant being approved to do so [20:07]
trinque ancient as it gets [20:07]
trinque this is what I would like to live within someday [20:07]
pete_dushenski like babylon eh [20:07]
trinque not something where every moron can piss on my front lawn [20:07]
pete_dushenski walls 30 stories tall [20:07]
trinque indeed [20:07]
trinque and if ISIS wants to keep the outsiders busy, have at it [20:07]
pete_dushenski well as long as you don't move the middle east, you can probably get by where you are, even without the ginormous walls. [20:09]
pete_dushenski it's one thing for isis to whip their compatriots into shape, it'd be an order of magnitude more resource intensive to bother with us.istan. [20:10]
trinque usistan may fall over on its own before they come of age [20:10]
pete_dushenski federal gov may 'fall over' but the only thing most people will notice is how much lighter the weight on their shoulders is [20:11]
pete_dushenski life will go on. [20:11]
trinque heh, true enough [20:11]
pete_dushenski mebbe chinese come in to rape the blondies and suck up the minerals, maybe they can't be bothered and they leave the peoples formerly known as 'americans' to reoganise themselves [20:13]
pete_dushenski that could be along existing state lines, or regions could be smaller or larger. [20:13]
pete_dushenski hard to say, really. [20:13]
pete_dushenski anyways, i'm off. don't be surprised if this convo makes it into a post :D [20:19]
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trinque ;;later tell pete_dushenski I've enjoyed when they do. [20:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:23]
BingoBoingo [20:24]
assbot 'BitCoin donations to the OpenBSD Foundation.' - MARC ... ( ) [20:24]
trinque so don't use bitpay, guy [20:24]
trinque "Sorry for any inconvenience, this is just how these things work." << lol [20:25]
mircea_popescu derp. [20:29]
BingoBoingo ;;google Bob Beck [20:29]
gribble The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: ; "I saw, and was saddened." on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: [20:29]
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mircea_popescu they've decided they wanna hang out with wintel and the rest of the "good guys in their own mind" club [20:53]
BingoBoingo At least Bob Beck's financial crowd. Thing was saved by the forces of good, then the forces of Microshit came with ongoing whatever the fuck [20:57]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [21:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 287.42, vol: 10360.89110159 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.2, vol: 7314.37326 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 287.21, vol: 23271.55971267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 298.0, vol: 4.75786649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 287.816427, vol: 16983.68120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 288.70809, vol: 36.26405777 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.990219008, vol: 72.01758395 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [21:02]
BingoBoingo ;;more [21:02]
gribble average: 286.913709409 [21:02]
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assbot Sorry for potato quality - Imgur ... ( ) [21:46]
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assbot Checking your bits ... ( ) [21:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99314 @ 0.00054324 = 53.9513 BTC [-] [21:51]
BingoBoingo Even today, nasa with the JPEG plumes [21:53]
assbot xkcd: Pluto ... ( ) [21:53]
trinque << I am considering grabbing this thing if it doesn't look too beat-up in person. [21:55]
assbot HP DL 585 Server ... ( ) [21:56]
trinque seems like a decent box for bitcoin dev and other projects [21:56]
BingoBoingo [21:56]
assbot FreeBSD Code of Conduct ... ( ) [21:56]
trinque price is a little oddly low [21:56]
BingoBoingo trinque: Pull the trigger [21:56]
trinque waiting on the guy's response [21:57]
BingoBoingo 24BG of RAM on an Opteron machine at that price, shit is better than Ebay [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42921 @ 0.00053831 = 23.1048 BTC [-] [21:59]
gernika BingoBoingo I paid roughly 7x for a similar configuration (new) [22:04]
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BingoBoingo I know that is a fucking steal. [22:04]
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cazalla [22:06]
assbot Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. : announcements ... ( ) [22:06]
cazalla "Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen: These are very complicated issues, and we are putting a lot of thought into it." bit of a contradiction eh [22:07]
trinque eh, cowards [22:09]
trinque how's voat doing? [22:09]
* trinque checks [22:09]
trinque not too bad actually [22:10]
BingoBoingo Voat just has growing pains. The fat hate movement isn't the only thing carrying Voat anymore. [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84048 @ 0.00054298 = 45.6364 BTC [+] [22:15]
trinque aw yeah, hp server guy replied [22:19]
BingoBoingo Sweet [22:20]
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trinque claims it lived in a climate-controlled data center its whole life [22:22]
trinque probably true, given what it is [22:22]
trinque I wonder if a local tech company went under [22:23]
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BingoBoingo Likely [22:25]
asciilifeform rip openbsd. [22:26]
* BingoBoingo contemplating blasphemy and getting a "late model" mac [22:26]
* asciilifeform would also say 'rip freebsd' but it died for him when it went with clang [22:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al: that's approx. the correct price for a machine of that type and vintage, if one buys from a local scrap dealer [22:27]
* asciilifeform sometimes does [22:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.000574 = 16.359 BTC [+] [22:27]
asciilifeform 'server' mobos have an annoying habit of including 'remote management' crapolade, however. caveat emptor. [22:28]
trinque can I neuter that? [22:28]
* BingoBoingo getting tempted into a mac mini by cheap machine spacific colo offers [22:28]
asciilifeform best neuter is for it not to be there. [22:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: worst possible choice. plenty of boxes with identical specs costing 50-60% of what crapple wants [22:28]
asciilifeform (specs including size and mass) [22:28]
trinque seems otherwise like a good snag of amd hardware [22:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: probably physically smallest amd x86-64 is the 'pcengines' linked in earlier thread [22:29]
asciilifeform i have several, at $dayjob [22:29]
asciilifeform comes with schematics even. [22:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Looking used. Trying to find hosts that take similar machines for colo at similar prices. [22:29]
asciilifeform it is about 7/8th inch tall. [22:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << it [22:30]
assbot PC Engines apu system boards ... ( ) [22:30]
asciilifeform they also sell smaller x86 boards, [22:30]
asciilifeform (cpu soldered down on all of them) [22:30]
BingoBoingo I might start mailing some of these people about whenther they take machines smaller than mac mini at mac mini rate [22:30]
asciilifeform i esp. like the 100% open bios [22:31]
asciilifeform one of the few x86 boxes still manufactured, which supports this [22:31]
asciilifeform down sides include a total absence of video [22:31]
asciilifeform you will not be connecting a tele-kvm to this thing - unless your colo has the serial port kind [22:31]
asciilifeform also i'm not entirely certain why your colo box has to be an x86 [22:32]
asciilifeform but as far as those go, this is probably the size/mass/cost champ [22:32]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well I'm looking at services like this and a few other options that go down to $25-26, but so far this one has the least objectional terms [22:33]
assbot MacStadium - Dedicated Mac Mini Hosting, Colocation, and Cloud Solutions ... ( ) [22:33]
asciilifeform ugh [22:35]
asciilifeform betcha crapple subsidizes. [22:35]
BingoBoingo Would use to run many-connections bitcoin node plus services, and maybe a couple static html pages [22:35]
BingoBoingo Eh, they let you supply own box. [22:36]
BingoBoingo May try shoving pc engines in mac mini chassis [22:36]
asciilifeform they let you supply own, but probably has to be the apple [22:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you do the switcheroo, make sure thing has ethernet mac addr from the old unit [22:37]
asciilifeform or rather, an addr in apple's registered range [22:37]
asciilifeform (hope to not get lucky & get existing) [22:37]
BingoBoingo Seems a sensible precaution. [22:37]
asciilifeform not sure where you'd get a mobo that fits in the original case without looking odd [22:38]
asciilifeform (the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?) [22:38]
BingoBoingo Generally been pricing 2011 and earlier minis (including G4 models) [22:38]
asciilifeform ugh [22:38]
BingoBoingo (the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?) Only eth0 jack matters... Arts&Crafts [22:38]
asciilifeform can get hosting on an old p3 (equiv. of fastest g4) for less than the quoted price [22:39]
asciilifeform with hoster-supplied box, too [22:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: eth0, dc in, usb for the telekvm... [22:39]
BingoBoingo If configured at home is kvm even necessary? [22:39]
asciilifeform perhaps not [22:40]
BingoBoingo Most of these services seem to have a daily charge for troubleshooting with their KVM adapters [22:40]
asciilifeform whole thing sounds scammy [22:40]
asciilifeform why colo host, to begin with ? [22:41]
BingoBoingo It does. [22:41]
asciilifeform i can think of a few cases where it makes sense, but is this one ? [22:41]
BingoBoingo Colo host to get box out of house so I don't have to see macbomination [22:41]
asciilifeform don't have to see it if you don't buy one, l0l [22:41]
BingoBoingo Also configure at home seems like a nice alternative to cpanel dedibortion or vps. [22:42]
asciilifeform that, it does [22:42]
BingoBoingo Want machine to live in datacenter, not eating home bandwidth. getting maximal bitcoind connections at min dollars [22:42]
* asciilifeform lulz at the memory of how never saw 'cpanel' anywhere until mircea_popescu's [22:43]
BingoBoingo lol [22:43]
BingoBoingo Saw at Godaddy in the past... Apparently powers their shared hosting [22:43]
trinque we (which is to say they) used it at an old shitty php job [22:44]
trinque specifically whm I guess [22:44]
trinque that was a lulzy job; worked on software for those ebay pawn shops [22:45]
* BingoBoingo was planning if acquired mac mini to install max ram, max sub $200 SSD, OpenBSD 5.6, Set up SSH keys, bitcoind sync, and ship [22:47]
asciilifeform << those folks have 'ideology' like a forest fire does. [22:47]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:23; pete_dushenski: instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag [22:47]
asciilifeform i suppose 'combustible things must combust' is ideology then. [22:47]
mod6 BingoBoingo: i was kinda thinkin the same thing, could be a market for someone to just ship a drive ready to go. [22:48]
asciilifeform << mongols were able to produce the state-of-art weapons of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own. [22:48]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:38; trinque: mongols had a khan [22:48]
trinque state of the art fighting techniques too [22:48]
trinque and then held down a vast empire with a sane legal system and so on [22:49]
trinque these are a bunch of twitter-posting imbeciles with AKs [22:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43546 @ 0.00055289 = 24.0761 BTC [-] [22:50]
trinque that's not really fair, they are also whatever's left of saddam's army [22:50]
BingoBoingo ISIS takes state of the art fighting weapons and USia spends Imperial treasure on F-35 redefining state of the art as shittier [22:50]
asciilifeform wake me up when the untermenschen can produce so much as one brass shell. [22:51]
asciilifeform on their own. [22:51]
mats plenty of war materiel and munitions for purchase [22:52]
asciilifeform mats: presently - for phree! [22:53]
mats no reason why they can't subsist on ru supply chain indefinitely [22:53]
asciilifeform while supplies last (tm) [22:53]
asciilifeform ru newz media are kinda lulzy in re: 'isis': invariably prefix with 'islamic army, the organization banned in our country, has...' [22:54]
mats NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price [22:54]
mats just, you know, not directly. [22:54]
asciilifeform << i'd like to know what he oughta use. to turn those coins into food, rent, mains power. [22:54]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 23:21:27; trinque: so don't use bitpay, guy [22:54]
asciilifeform dealer in dark alley ? [22:54]
mats -otc? [22:55]
asciilifeform i mean, yes, bitpay is a usg op [22:55]
asciilifeform what otc. [22:55]
asciilifeform the one that's just about entirely dead, as far as my naked eye can see ? [22:55]
danielpbarron mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22 [22:57]
mats ;;book BTC [22:57]
gribble Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, to see list of orders for this item. [22:57]
trinque asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels [22:58]
trinque or CAD or whatever they like best [22:59]
mats ;;book USD [22:59]
gribble Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, to see list of orders for this item. [22:59]
mats plenty of middlemen to be had for the right price as far as i can see [22:59]
trinque well I'm not sure, is there a sort of AML/KYC equivalent for donations? [23:00]
mats for the folks cashing btc, prob [23:01]
trinque if so, it plainly illustrates the degree to which these things have crept forward.. [23:03]
trinque I can toss a 50 into the goodwill box anonymously, but not BTC [23:03]
trinque no one ever busted up a piss-odorous santa ringing his bell outside walmart [23:04]
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BingoBoingo i mean, yes, bitpay is a usg op << My impression is BitPay is under such constraints because born insufficiently USG, now merely avoiding a Shreming [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00053831 = 4.145 BTC [-] {2} [23:12]
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BingoBoingo And all the pederasty that comes with it [23:16]
danielpbarron << confirmed. I haven't bothered to boot my 0.7.2 node back up since my power outage because it was completely wedged from this thing [23:22]
assbot Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:43; mircea_popescu: anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens. [23:22]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: try it now ? [23:22]
danielpbarron you want me to boot it up? I bet it will still be wedged as I haven't done anything to it [23:22]
asciilifeform aha [23:23]
asciilifeform << if you have a usd-denominated bank account, it probably does not matter through which channels you turn btc into usd [23:23]
assbot Logged on 15-07-2015 01:55:19; trinque: asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels [23:23]
asciilifeform every single movement of the bank is reported. [23:23]
danielpbarron i'm sure I can manually feed it blocks or whatever the fix is, but my node didn't need manual intervention / is currently synced [23:23]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: i specifically want to see what ends up in the log [23:23]
asciilifeform as it tries to catch up [23:23]
danielpbarron you want my debug.log files? [23:24]
* trinque departs to pick up new puter [23:24]
asciilifeform tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log > somewhere.txt [23:24]
asciilifeform as it runs. [23:24]
danielpbarron also i've been saving up debug.log between restarts via cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log [23:24]
asciilifeform above works better [23:24]
danielpbarron yes I now see why that would be better and feel foolish for the way I had been doing it [23:25]
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danielpbarron funny too because I have tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log going 24/7 but as a way of monitoring it [23:25]
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asciilifeform << historical lulz [23:33]
assbot Eric Roberts: The spy who suffered - BBC News ... ( ) [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155114 @ 0.00054444 = 84.4503 BTC [+] {2} [23:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60536 @ 0.00053788 = 32.5611 BTC [-] [23:35]
ag3nt_zer0 cause for concern? or just another wiggle-the-sore-tooth obsession? [23:35]
assbot Anti-racist mathematics - Psychology Wiki ... ( ) [23:35]
ag3nt_zer0 "While Western mathematicians often claim Western mathematics is universal, anti-racist mathematics and ethnomathematics scholars share the assumption that any given mathematical understanding or practice is a product of a particular culture.[4] Scholars such as C. K. Raju have advocated multicultural mathematics, in which different cultures can develop different forms of mathematics." [23:35]
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asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: the (present-day) west's academitardia is trolling. ignore the lot of'em. [23:37]
ag3nt_zer0 yes but the entertsinment! [23:38]
ag3nt_zer0 heh [23:38]
ag3nt_zer0 how's your day asciilifeform? [23:39]
asciilifeform << related, re: provocateurs [23:39]
assbot MI5 spy controlled UK Nazi group, files reveal - BBC News ... ( ) [23:39]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) [23:40]
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asciilifeform 'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' [23:40]
mircea_popescu cazalla ah the mystery unravels, they wanted the guy as ceo so as to buy some legitimacy for something stupid they want to do. [23:41]
ag3nt_zer0 whats a pr013? proletariat? [23:42]
mircea_popescu in other news : i am satisfied that the 363730 fork and the 363730-363736 dead chain contain nothing remarkable from a "hey guise they switched out the blokchanin" perspective. so i'm letting this rest. [23:43]
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asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: hard to describe unless you live here. [23:43]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: the 'offensively poor' as described in mircea_popescu's articles. [23:43]
asciilifeform and the accoutrements that go with them (blatantly recycled food, tabloids, lottery crapolade, etc) [23:43]
mircea_popescu iirc the term was lumpen [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was largely empty, iirc ! [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has it! lumpens. [23:44]
mircea_popescu as in lumpenproletariat [23:44]
asciilifeform aha [23:44]
asciilifeform but these have somewhat different flavours in different places. [23:44]
mircea_popescu of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own. << in no way did they do this. they merely went around with a horde of gypsies, chinese, etc. heck, the siege of byzantium used a hungarian cannonmaster. [23:46]
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mircea_popescu in this sense, the few captive "us trainers" they have work exactly like the mongols' [23:46]
asciilifeform turks [23:46]
asciilifeform hungarian cannonmaster, siege, -- turks [23:46]
mircea_popescu NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << god knows romania has been doing it for a decade straight. [23:47]
asciilifeform but point taken. there is actually a mega-lulzy ru film about a captive ru derp used as 'computermaster' by chechens [23:47]
ag3nt_zer0 it would be cool if readers in this group had a "Recommended readings" list or something... that would be awesome actually [23:48]
mats costco is great [23:48]
ag3nt_zer0 well, I would love it at any rate [23:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80787 @ 0.00054878 = 44.3343 BTC [+] [23:49]
asciilifeform mats: i kinda wonder how many subscribers are paying not to see the lumpens [23:49]
asciilifeform rather than for the 2 percent off chumpatronics [23:49]
mircea_popescu 'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' << used to shop at their equiv in ro. "selgros". [23:49]
mats dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol [23:50]
danielpbarron ag3nt_zer0, [23:50]
assbot ... ( ) [23:50]
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ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: php got Eulora running on OSX... did he do anything different than is on the wiki? [23:50]
mircea_popescu iirc he updated the wiki to reflect his experience. [23:50]
mats they can't exclude plebs for those particular purchases i believe [23:50]
asciilifeform mats: the one i went to had a bouncer. [23:50]
asciilifeform no photo card - no enter. [23:50]
mats lol [23:51]
asciilifeform also no credit cards, but 'amex' [23:51]
mircea_popescu the romania version requires you to have a corp registered [23:51]
mats really? no MC/Visa? [23:51]
ag3nt_zer0 I was following then got all paranoid and been stuck on researching what GCC is, whether or not it can compromise system, and whether this is all an elaborate scam to get my non-existent bitcoins [23:51]
ag3nt_zer0 haha [23:51]
asciilifeform mats: aha. nope [23:51]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 gcc is the basic compiler. your kernel was compiled in it. [23:52]
mats never seen one like that. but i have been tempted to get a 'costco amex', the rates are good and amex has historically had great customer service [23:52]
mats and i hear their entire back-end is mostly paper [23:52]
asciilifeform mats: the clerk informed me (when collecting my hundy) that their amex thing will vanish next year. [23:52]
* danielpbarron has amex [23:52]
asciilifeform leaving hell knows what, if anything [23:52]
ag3nt_zer0 danielpbarron: thanks! [23:52]
BingoBoingo mats: aha. nope << Other cards still work if processed as "debit" rather than "credit" [23:53]
mod6 so i've got the two binaries recompiled, not stripped. not exactly sure what i'm looking for in here. doing a diff with objdump. [23:53]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aha [23:53]
BingoBoingo [23:53]
mod6 i have serached forward to SSL [23:53]
assbot tootie comments on Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. ... ( ) [23:53]
mats that sounds dicey. wouldn't want to input a PIN at their POS [23:53]
asciilifeform iirc they also take old-fashioned money. [23:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's a miracle of fiat makingall sorts of distinctions where same accounts use many different payment network messes [23:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the operative distinction is 'no chargebacks', i think [23:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's the terms of chargebacks more often [23:55]
BingoBoingo fiat is weird [23:55]
* danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" [23:55]
mats asciilifeform: is there a repository on the internets somewhere for windows symbol files (not Windows Symbol Server)? [23:56]
asciilifeform mats: not afaik [23:56]
asciilifeform but if exists, probably .ru [23:56]
asciilifeform try yandex. [23:56]
mats i'm looking for a pdb to 'vwififlt.sys', for an intel wifi card i believe [23:56]
mats ok [23:56]
asciilifeform i can't think of a reason to suspect that this was ever public, but doesn't hurt to look. [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65888 @ 0.00053749 = 35.4141 BTC [-] {2} [23:57]
ag3nt_zer0 Today I was looking at LoperOS and one of the things I read was his article about the kill switch... searched the logs for commentary but didn't find too much. But I thought maybe I had read something addressing it on Trilema... is that right? [23:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19362 @ 0.00053467 = 10.3523 BTC [-] [23:58]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys' [23:58]
asciilifeform why this was - i can't recall. might like to ask him. [23:59]
BingoBoingo dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol << Rules for this happen on a state-by-state basis. Normally the "shame" keeps all but saviest lumps out [23:59]
ag3nt_zer0 was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? [23:59]
BingoBoingo was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? << at the time likely in part [23:59]
decimation re: costco amex < yeah I posted about this awhile ago. turns out amex didn't want to 'make a deal' to keep costco, and instead steer their business toward servicing poor folks at walmart [23:59]
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