Forum logs for 14 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	so it loses a sub-whisker now and again. doesn't even notice.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	grows ten more.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut?	[00:01]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?	[00:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369522 << btw, i've actually been in this comical situation, on more than one occasion	[00:01]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:14:23; assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."	[00:02]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Per the latest mod6 v script, playing with all the things	[00:02]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369510 << they are ubiquitous where i live. i think literally everybody, other than flat-dwellers, has one	[00:02]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:09:39; mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?	[00:02]
asciilifeform	with possible exception of folks whose gen was stolen and haven't gotten around to buying a new one yet	[00:03]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369476 << somebody with an 's' name, i think... smickles ??	[00:05]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 23:45:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?	[00:05]
asciilifeform	;;seen smickles	[00:05]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs	[00:05]
asciilifeform	maybe not	[00:05]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369394 << this is what 'will is everything' looks like - a mental asylum, half full of provocateur stooges, half - of diagnosable imbeciles	[00:07]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:53; shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/	[00:07]
asciilifeform	!s new york death ray	[00:07]
assbot	12 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray	[00:07]
asciilifeform	if death ray man were not already in jail, he would find good company in oregon.	[00:08]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? << the only mirror at this time is http://thebitcoin.foundation	[00:08]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?	[00:08]
assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )	[00:08]
mod6	your latest two patches & corresponding seals were added.	[00:08]
asciilifeform	mod6: the www ?	[00:08]
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asciilifeform	or is there some rsync thing going	[00:08]
mod6	well, it's really http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/	[00:08]
assbot	Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )	[00:08]
asciilifeform	ah	[00:08]
mod6	but you don't hvae to know the subdir to make the sync work properly. you just put the root URL of the given mirror	[00:09]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong.	[00:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:09]
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mircea_popescu	cool.	[00:10]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? << i think what we need is basically like an RFC of the thing to explain the overall concepts and baseline functions. this way anyone can implement their own V without having to parse mine, yours, or bens, or whomever.	[00:11]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL << youi have to appreciate this is before your oregon was invented	[00:11]
mod6	I just need to get to it. lol. lot on my plate. if anyone would like to start work on this with direction from me that'd be fine too. just let me know.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	(you may not know of all the 90s "urban revival" attempts that created such as modern portland etc, after a seattle blueprint)	[00:11]
mod6	so currently, the main thing im working on/looking at is a possible high/low-S vpatch	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. << it's funny how much of a judeoxtian fundamentalist you are seeing how you don't even alphabet! wouldn't something equally ridiculous like indian-whatever go better with your semiotic ideas ?	[00:14]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.	[00:14]
asciilifeform	mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag	[00:15]
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asciilifeform	esp. when we finally get that mine pool	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	mod6 basically all it needs is a test-and-substract.	[00:15]
mod6	was thinking that. could just have a switch for "classic" mode where you get the 50/50 action on high/low, or only low-S.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	(this can be tacked on at the end, the protocol is really that shitty)	[00:15]
asciilifeform	or all-highS	[00:15]
asciilifeform	(i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one)	[00:16]
mod6	is there a reason for only high-S ?	[00:16]
asciilifeform	to fill our high-S-only pool, of course!111	[00:16]
mod6	ok, other than that?	[00:16]
asciilifeform	can't think of for what else	[00:16]
asciilifeform	thing is, like it or not, high-S is LEGITIMATELY bitcoin	[00:16]
asciilifeform	just as low-S	[00:17]
mod6	yeup, ofc.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ?	[00:18]
mod6	but, i'd be nice to ship a bitcoinatron that actually bitcoinates without the weird shit. i'd like Mr. P. to be able to send coins without issues.	[00:18]
mod6	*it'd	[00:18]
asciilifeform	to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool	[00:19]
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asciilifeform	rather than adding talmudistry to trb	[00:19]
asciilifeform	if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter,	[00:20]
mod6	so here's a thing -- if I make a vpatch for this, one doesn't need to build with it either. but one could, and that should resolve the issue.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	somebody ought to be collecting those fees!	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dun think you understand how this works.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	blocks aren't individual items. they are chained.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	aha..	[00:20]
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asciilifeform	and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	there isn't a "you do yours and i do mine" thing here. IF we decide to mine as much as one single high s block, this INVALIDATES all further work of all noncompliant miners. forever.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	For. Ever.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	we currently can at any point revert to high-s, or any-s.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	they can not.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	only that they are not selected for blocks	[00:21]
asciilifeform	or relayed	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	yes, they did, that's what the "soft fork" debacle was all about.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	i thought it was only the relay and selector	[00:22]
asciilifeform	(and, naturally, tx generator)	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin split specificallyt because miners "voted" to approve the (non controversial, even here, see logs) patch	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	then failed to implement it	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	then mined a block with high-s and the whole shebang was forked for 36 hours	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	this is why we do not give a rat;s ass about "voting", fundamentally : they already had a vote that indicated ~100% miner agreement that then had 0% actual support.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	and incidentally - if it weren't cheaper to implement than to just forget it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	votes or no votes.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	what made it cheaper ?	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	(non controversial, even here, see logs)	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, understand the strategic situation here. i can, at this and any future point, decide to revert this soft fork. they can not, they are committed to forever sticking to it.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	i'm not about to lead this ace into random trick.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	blockbridge!	[00:25]
asciilifeform	if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ?	[00:25]
asciilifeform	i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	mno. soft forks are a narrowing of the protocol.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	they can be applied by convention. as the chance is still valid by everyone's rule, no changes are needed.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	hard forks are a change of the protocol. as the change is NOT valid by everyone's rules, it is definitionally an alt coin.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	generally the reason power rangers keep wanting to hide the chain and the validation mechanisms is simply that	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	their version of bitcoin is not actually valid as per the bitcoin protocol.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	barely hangs on by a mix of "grandfathering" and "don't look in this box", much like the usg that spawned them.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	in this sense, building atop that shit is an excursion in insanity, which is why ONLY usg-financed "companies" do it (in the sense of pretending to do anything besides hiring more ustards and eating rubber chickens at "conferences")	[00:28]
ben_vulpes	i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined	[00:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i think you are conflating the DER encoding thing with the high/low-S thing	[00:36]
asciilifeform	they were separate items	[00:36]
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asciilifeform	and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx	[00:37]
asciilifeform	what am i missing	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	you seem to be operating on the delusional notion miners user prb ?!	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	!up changenie	[00:39]
-assbot-	You voiced changenie for 30 minutes.	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	hi there changenie	[00:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not speaking of miners, but of your earlier statement re:, approx, 'mining a high-S-containing block is a perma-fork'	[00:40]
asciilifeform	trying to figure out how this is so	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	and you are right, BIP66 was "strict DER".	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << pretty good discussion.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	i am trying to grasp what, precisely, would happen, if mircea_popescu or anybody were to build a high-S miner	[00:41]
assbot	bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/201qFup )	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	for some reason the whole high/low S thing is part and parcel of this in my head.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	'The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. ' <<< ahahaha turns out i was right, even per the horse's own mouth	[00:42]
asciilifeform	you ~can~ miner high-S without permafork	[00:42]
asciilifeform	*mine	[00:42]
asciilifeform	but somehow 'everybody' was persuaded not to	[00:42]
asciilifeform	(because ????????)	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	i suppose this is something we can experiment with once someone picks up the pool thing ?	[00:42]
asciilifeform	well certainly not with bare hands.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	but my earlier hypothesis was that a high (or at least nondiscriminatory)-S pool would specifically have an edge.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	(because 'market' for them, if you will, is under-served for no good reason)	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	not really. because it is trivial to malleate txn	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	see, miner that sees high-S tx can either reject it, or just low-S it.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	malleate prior to your pool seeing the original ?	[00:44]
asciilifeform	let'em try their luck	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	it's happening all the time ?	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	i currently send both kinds, and the mined blocks include the low-ified S all the time.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	no miner rejects high S txn as such.	[00:45]
asciilifeform	incidentally i still don't fully grasp the point of the whole malleation thing	[00:45]
asciilifeform	with whom, specifically, does it screw ?	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	there is no fucking point. what is the point of https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/8b/5d/258b5d875293b906b5c97c318c92de29.jpg other than "get all these bitches lined up in thin plastic wrapped young titties so we can stroke it better" ?	[00:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/201r3c8 )	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	that's how "states" are built, you're supposed to be aped by the awesome power of this imaginary thing that lo! it makes whole rafts of bitches to absurd shit like this	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	when you can't even get one to spread properly.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	i must be simple-minded, then	[00:48]
asciilifeform	because i don't see the mega-point	[00:48]
asciilifeform	tx malleation brings not one single hooligan a step closer to the pirannha tank.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	wut ?	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	did i just talk through you ?	[00:48]
asciilifeform	possibly?	[00:49]
asciilifeform	how is tx malleation supposed to impress anybody with the majesty of usg ?	[00:49]
asciilifeform	it doesn't ~do~ anything	[00:49]
asciilifeform	it's got no tits.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	but "everyone" does it. and you want to be just like everyone, don't you ?	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	tits are for older boys, like they had in pre-nazi germany.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	for the raft of 3yos the us is infested with, tits yet hold a different meaning than ravishment.	[00:50]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally, i would suppose that is "child porn" by today's standards, right ? buncha fourteen year olds in clingwrap tops.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	whar is teh compliance documents!11	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform to fully formulate the impedance mismatch here, because on reread this isn't satisfactory. suppose you have a chain of blocks, B1...Bn. suppose you also have a chain (different concepts) of txn , T1...Tm.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	all miners, whether they be S-indiscriminate or S-selective can mine T1 necessarily. the latter as is ; the former as T1 in 50% of cases and as T1' in the remainder cases, where T1' = C-T1	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	should T1' be mined, then T2...TN is now invalid, and will have to be resent.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	well yes	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	it's true that this costs S-indiscriminate miners the txn fees of T2-Tn, but	[00:59]
asciilifeform	but the S-selection does not appear to touch block-validity-tester at all!	[00:59]
asciilifeform	in any known client	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	a) the expectation is, as you've seen, that i'll get an accountant out of bed and on my own dime fix the mess power rangers made because hey, why not, it's a decentralized protocol which means some idiots break it and the world fixes it	[01:00]
asciilifeform	DER-encoding thing? yes.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	S ? no	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	however more importantly b) there is NO WAY for neutral-S miners to profit from T2-Tn as-is.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	so yet another aspect of the well familiar by now disaster of commons	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	but i must an' gladly do commend your stubborn insistence because yeah in fact i was conflating two things in mah head.	[01:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00051319 = 5.8658 BTC [+]	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	now, if subsidy was more like 25 cents than 25 BTC, we wouldn't even have this discussion.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	but sadly... it's hard to make a function to describe future human behaviour.	[01:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23902 @ 0.00051548 = 12.321 BTC [+] {4}	[01:13]
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phf	asciilifeform: cryptological theme park, is that the spy museum or this some other facility?	[01:15]
asciilifeform	phf: nah, a sorta restaurant/club	[01:15]
asciilifeform	корпоратив.	[01:16]
phf	huh	[01:18]
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asciilifeform	phf: one of those places that exists for 'team building' gymnastics	[01:19]
phf	aah, i see	[01:19]
phf	because a cryptology themed restaurant, that would be something i'd want to see. nsa contractors go there for burgers, kind of ironically, but also cause it's close to "the location". spy memorabilia, but all utterly obscure for a casual observer. cute frequency analysis problems sprinkled all over	[01:21]
asciilifeform	they have (had? it's been a while) colourful substitution cipher rebuses in the 'starbucks' around dc area	[01:22]
phf	i vaguely recall that	[01:26]
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mircea_popescu	"old crows", used to be a thing.	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	!up idkwhat2dowithmy	[02:19]
-assbot-	You voiced idkwhat2dowithmy for 30 minutes.	[02:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37909 @ 0.00051203 = 19.4105 BTC [-] {3}	[02:21]
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idkwhat2dowithmy	Thank you mircea, I've been reading qntra and thought I'd pop in here	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[02:23]
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BingoBoingo	V-enture seems to have worked	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	wd!	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	atm rescanning an ancient wallet to see if anything is there. Hopefully datacenter gets back to me tomorrow about dedi-box, which is practice for colo-box	[03:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00050484 = 17.7451 BTC [-] {4}	[04:03]
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BingoBoingo	That trump bet's looking like it could make it to 100 BTC	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.bbet	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (530 shares, 0.06 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001184 / 0.00013 (2930 shares, 0.35 BTC)	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	trb behaving as expected so far, no forgetten gold in the wallet.dat yet	[05:01]
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punkman	http://i.imgur.com/kbB3Z84.jpg	[08:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf4bNs )	[08:04]
punkman	https://www.rt.com/news/328844-indonesia-suicide-attacks-isis/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYqiNpkUoAAnxK2.jpg check out the diy grenades	[08:10]
assbot	Suspected ISIS attacks in Jakarta — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAd )	[08:10]
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mircea_popescu	punkman the whole thing of even having black people in star wars. seriously ? the retcon of all time.	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	"oh black people always existed, we just didn't film any back in the 60s."	[09:02]
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fluffypony	Billy Dee Williams (who played Lando Calrissian) was in Empire Strikes Back and in Return of the Jedi	[09:07]
fluffypony	and he's black as night	[09:08]
shinohai	;;blocks	[09:10]
gribble	393287	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	so the retcon forks off episode V rather than episode I ? or wait... actually this franchise starts midway does it ?	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	i guess that's what i get for commenting on stuff i never bothered to actually see.	[09:13]
shinohai	I skipped the Jar-Jar awfulness. I have seen first 3 movies and the latest	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	mmkay so : Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope being the 1977 & first release of the thing, has no black people in it. does it ?	[09:14]
shinohai	I don't recall. Don't think so unless it is a background character.	[09:15]
fluffypony	well	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	"Star Wars was released theatrically in the United States on May 25, 1977. It earned $461 million in the US and $314 million overseas, totaling $775 million. It surpassed Jaws (1975) to become the highest-grossing film of all time; its gross was later surpassed by that of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982). When adjusted for inflation as of 2013" << check it out, there was inflation since the 80s ?!	[09:15]
fluffypony	it kinda did	[09:15]
fluffypony	David Prowse was black	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	ah did it ? alrighty then.	[09:16]
fluffypony	but I doubt many people knew it	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck do these people still bitch about it then ?!	[09:16]
fluffypony	I mean James Earl Jones, not David Prowse	[09:16]
shinohai	Ah!	[09:16]
fluffypony	and in the prequels there was Samuel L Jackson	[09:17]
*	mircea_popescu has no idea who any of these people are, googles the latter, he looks about as black as wesley snipes wtf.	[09:17]
shinohai	But alas, James Earl Jones was but a voice, underneath they still made vadar a wrinkly old white guy.	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	oh	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	voice actor	[09:17]
fluffypony	yeah, that's why I said I doubt many people knew that Darth Vader's voice was a black guy	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	i dun think it would have "count"-ed for the same people.	[09:18]
shinohai	Samuel L Jackson kills in th the new Hateful Eight movie.	[09:18]
fluffypony	I guess the running joke is that most of the films only had 1 (visible) black actor/actress	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	eh, his best work is pulp fiction.	[09:18]
fluffypony	but they had a bunch of aliens, so it's a dumb argument	[09:18]
fluffypony	"there weren't enough Gungans in the original trilogy!"	[09:18]
fluffypony	#GunganLivesMatter	[09:19]
shinohai	I liked Four Rooms, but that was only co-produced.	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony well moreover it's only relevant in the sense of fan service commentary. "oh, really, it just so happened all your bridge bunnies were 180 and freshly laid off the siegfried follies ? fancy that coincidence into the future!"	[09:19]
punkman	episode 4 had one black person, then the added a bunch more in 5 and 6	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	"oh, you made a movie in 2010 and there's a buncha black dudes in it ? how considerate of you, where were you in 1952!"	[09:20]
fluffypony	punkman: Lando Calrissian was the only memorable on-screen black character, tho	[09:21]
fluffypony	but in a movie where a small green hobbit-creature is a major star, I don't know if that counts	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	he looks spanish	[09:21]
fluffypony	to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race	[09:21]
shinohai	Moorish	[09:22]
punkman	fluffypony: much more than Samuel L. Jackson	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	shinohai yeah, or i guess brazillian-portuguese.	[09:22]
shinohai	mircea_popescu is right, he would be the perfect space Moor	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony that'd be because they are lol.	[09:22]
fluffypony	yeah	[09:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050045 = 14.0626 BTC [-] {2}	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	saw a proper black dude yest, about 6 feet fifty-eight inches, ebony-black. very pretty.	[09:23]
*	mircea_popescu tries to recall which west african country was a spanish dominion already.	[09:24]
punkman	Angola?	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[09:25]
punkman	actually that's portuguese	[09:26]
punkman	seems the spanish didn't ever go further than the Sahara	[09:26]
shinohai	Casablanca and Morroco are straight - up Spanish tho	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	nono there was one	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	equatorial guinea! there.	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	exactly where these dudes be from.	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	between cameroon and gabon	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	in unrelated news, guy complains about not getting my email, i tell him his shit's probably badly set up, he tells me my shit's prolly blacklisted, i go what the fuck. spend a time googling to see if this can be even tested, turns out it can, i end up on http://www.mail-tester.com/web-WeHDBS which says that i'm perfect except "listed in pyzor".	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	i do some digging around, it turns out that, get this : https://github.com/SpamExperts/pyzor/issues/39 they list THE FUCKING MESSAGE. so if you ever wondered why the string "123" can't be sent through email, take a motherfucking guess.	[09:31]
assbot	Spam Test Result by mail-tester.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkjX )	[09:31]
assbot	Listed on Pyzor · Issue #39 · SpamExperts/pyzor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkAo )	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	who gave imbeciles computers! BE ASHAMED OF YOUR BAYESIAN SELF!	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	(hey, but 123 is a... symbol, right ? it MAKES SENSE to attach meaning to symbols, right ? buncha illiterate louts!)	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	and of course the "service" "has moved" to nowhere and is imported downstream without any sort of sanity checking by unwarrantedly-popular mass market services and on it fucking goes.	[09:34]
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mircea_popescu	!up Atomicat	[09:41]
-assbot-	You voiced Atomicat for 30 minutes.	[09:41]
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Atomicat	mircea_popescu: Hi and thanks	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	yw. who're you ?	[09:42]
Atomicat	Bitcointalk member	[09:42]
jurov	hahahaha	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	:))	[09:42]
Atomicat	mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741	[09:47]
assbot	View the profile of MPOE-PR ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPV0Kk )	[09:47]
Atomicat	Is this your profile on bitcointalk?	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	you're not THAT are you ?!	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[09:47]
Atomicat	For a long time I though that's your profile.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	no, that's hanbot	[09:48]
Atomicat	haha hanbot's idle time: 0d 6h 38m 51s	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	;;seen hanbot	[09:49]
gribble	hanbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_122015.txt.asc	[09:49]
Atomicat	MPOE-PR Last Active: December 01, 2014, 11:41:22 PM	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	there is a log, it's searchable, have a ball.	[09:50]
Atomicat	BTW, What's your profile on bitcointalk?	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	i dun have one.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	!s tardstalk	[09:50]
assbot	105 results for 'tardstalk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tardstalk	[09:50]
Atomicat	You own MPEX and don't have a profile on bitcointalk??	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[09:52]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 9.66061887 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b25	[09:55]
punkman	http://theweek.com/articles/598367/china-building-first-military-base-africa-america-should-nervous	[10:04]
assbot	China is building its first military base in Africa. America should be very nervous. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPWmVB )	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	heh. usg can't afford to even consider this matter. it "never happened".	[10:05]
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punkman	!up PeterL	[10:10]
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PeterL	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2016#1367133 << we don't need any hash power to make TRB mining pool, miners bring the has power, we tell them what to mine	[10:12]
assbot	Logged on 12-01-2016 01:10:25; assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	PeterL im planning to offer a little bonus, but someone DOES have to run the actual pool.	[10:12]
PeterL	item for trilema jobs board?	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	not really. in my mind, trilema jobs board is a sort of "free for all" - items that anyone can pick up. this is only open to l2, really.	[10:13]
PeterL	Atomicat, I used to be active on bitcointalk, but then I found this place. Now I never go there anymore.	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	you don't advertise jobs requiring a clearance in the want ad section of teh newspaper either.	[10:14]
PeterL	good point	[10:14]
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shinohai	I only made an account a few days ago during the bitbet brouhaha	[10:20]
shinohai	Other than that every post seems to be whining about "being censored" and sych	[10:21]
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mircea_popescu	!up Atomicat	[10:51]
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-assbot-	You voiced Atomicat for 30 minutes.	[10:51]
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Atomicat	PeterL: What is a TRB mining pool?	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	there's a PR-Bitcoin maintained by the power rangers. there's also the true bitcoin, maintained by the bitcoin foundation ( http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )	[10:52]
assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of non-compliant or vaguely compliant mining pools out there.	[10:52]
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mircea_popescu	the idea'd be to have an actually compliant pool, for once.	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	(not that pools are such a bright idea in the first place, but sadly this is a dropped ball we can't so far fix)	[10:53]
Atomicat	mircea_popescu: I have a good programming background and might be interested in running a pool if I can offer something other pools doesn't	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	!up PeterL	[10:53]
-assbot-	You voiced PeterL for 30 minutes.	[10:53]
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mircea_popescu	Atomicat the best avenue for you would be to register in the wot and spend half year or so reading hte logs to get up to speed.	[10:53]
PeterL	Atomicat, it would be a mining pool run using the same rule as TRB (the real bitcoin)	[10:53]
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mircea_popescu	!up AndChat-63600	[10:54]
-assbot-	You voiced AndChat-63600 for 30 minutes.	[10:54]
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PeterL	iiuc, the current reference implementation of trb does not support pooled mining, so somebody would have to port the current trb ruleset into a mining pool program	[10:55]
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Atomicat	mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.	[10:55]
Atomicat	Sorry for asking too many questions but what's a #b-a pool?	[10:56]
PeterL	same thing, different name	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	#b-a is short for #bitcoin-assets	[10:56]
Atomicat	ah	[10:56]
PeterL	#b-a is this group, which is where trb is developed	[10:56]
PeterL	although, somebody outside this group could pick up trb and start their own pool, so I guess it is not exactly the same thing	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	"the differences, while present, are not yet important"	[10:57]
PeterL	#b-a mining pool implies it is run by people within the #b-a WoT, trb pool implies it follows the rules set forth in trb	[10:58]
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mircea_popescu	ha! quite.	[10:58]
PeterL	as far as we know, we are the only people using trb?	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	pretty much thinking like a scientist.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	PeterL this is a public channel. for obvious security reasons trb is a superset thereof.	[10:58]
PeterL	pretty much thinking like a scientist. << is there any other way to think?	[11:00]
Atomicat	I will look into this later today. What are the rules set forth in TRB?	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	Atomicat you wanna look into V and all that.	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	brace yourself, while derps derped on tardstalk etc, a LOT of work went on towards actual bitcoin, and so there's a lot of catch up to do.	[11:00]
PeterL	there is a mailing list, on the website mircea_popescu linked, and most of it is discussed in these logs	[11:00]
Atomicat	V? What's the difference between Bitcoin Core and TRB? Does it use the same blockchain?	[11:01]
thestringpuller	good morning #b-a	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	it does use the same blockchain.	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	v is a signature-based versioning system and other things.	[11:01]
PeterL	also read this: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/25/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-i/	[11:01]
assbot	An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part i. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok6H8T )	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	it allows you to build software on the basis of patches signed by people you specifically trust.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	come to think about it... what would you say to "what is v ?" mod6 ? asciilifeform ? anyone else ?	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	twelve words or less.	[11:02]
Atomicat	How do I get a positive trust from someone on this list: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/? I would really love to !up myself. ;p	[11:02]
assbot	A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )	[11:02]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	!rate Atomicat 1 New blood	[11:02]
assbot	Atomicat is not registered in WoT.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	Atomicat register, basically.	[11:02]
thestringpuller	Atomicat: start with	[11:03]
thestringpuller	!help	[11:03]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it's complicated.	[11:03]
thestringpuller	seems complicated in the sense the trustworthy miners don't advertise themselves but hide in the darkness.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	but i'll quote this much to you : 你这么牛掰，你怎么不会汉语啊。01f601哈哈哈，反正你也不懂，我觉得很有意思！祝你好运哈！	[11:03]
thestringpuller	and whereas still to date no mining hardware company has ever delivered equipment on time	[11:04]
Atomicat	mircea_popescu: I have registered with gribble.	[11:04]
Atomicat	Isn't that the WOT?	[11:04]
PeterL	mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. << people offering "mining services" might all be scammers, but there might be people mining for themselves who are not scamming	[11:04]
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mircea_popescu	Atomicat nah, it forked a year ago over a misunderstanding.	[11:04]
PeterL	but I might be wrong	[11:04]
thestringpuller	PeterL: this people do not advertise. probably have to go to the deserts of china to find them.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	china is actually not in a desert. mongolia sort-of is.	[11:05]
Atomicat	I following this guide: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[11:06]
Atomicat	I think it needs to be updated.	[11:06]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	specifically ?	[11:06]
Atomicat	followed*	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	yes but what's wrong with it	[11:06]
PeterL	aha, it still references gibble WoT	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	oh	[11:07]
PeterL	needs update to AssWoT	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell hey ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[11:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:07]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[11:07]
Atomicat	Yep, that's what I meant	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[11:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:07]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	;;msg	[11:08]
gribble	Error: "msg" is not a valid command.	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	;;list	[11:08]
gribble	Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, (1 more message)	[11:08]
Atomicat	Can I register with assbot using a bitcoin address?	[11:08]
shinohai	!s http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[11:08]
PeterL	lol, poor hey getting your message	[11:08]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )	[11:08]
assbot	60 results for 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.bitcoin-assets.com%2Ffirst_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	Atomicat no, you need a pgp signature.	[11:08]
thestringpuller	G.R.E.A.M - GPG rules everything around me.	[11:09]
PeterL	;;seen dub	[11:10]
gribble	dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: hallo	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	;;later	[11:10]
gribble	Error: "later" is not a valid command.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck was it	[11:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	;;last	[11:12]
gribble	[09:09:12] [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[11:13]
-assbot-	You voiced gabriel_laddel for 30 minutes.	[11:13]
*	assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	;;notes	[11:14]
gribble	I currently have notes waiting for ben_vulpes, cazalla, crypt0queen, hey, joseph_young, kako, M-John, mike_c, nubbins`, pierre_rochard, psztorc, saifedean, TheNewDeal, therealascii, Ukto, Ukyo, whaack, and Wolf`.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	there we go.	[11:14]
gabriel_laddel	;; later tell adlai I was referring to the dataflow paradigm.	[11:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	;;notes hey	[11:15]
gribble	Sent 7 minutes ago: ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	;;notes therealascii	[11:15]
gribble	Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, and 35 minutes ago: fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault	[11:15]
PeterL	;;seen Ukyo	[11:15]
gribble	Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: mgio_: ping	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	heh. so basically most gribble traffic is from b-a huh,	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	;;notes crypt0queen	[11:15]
gribble	Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, and 34 minutes ago: Need ya to contact me. House fire, and the cleanup crew broke my sign. Snapped off the A. Do you have another for sale or the 'ACCEPTED' part?	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell michail1 you know the later tell thing is public right ?	[11:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up xiaomorph	[11:19]
-assbot-	You voiced xiaomorph for 30 minutes.	[11:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00050901 = 15.2703 BTC [+] {2}	[11:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up DerpUnion	[11:59]
-assbot-	You voiced DerpUnion for 30 minutes.	[11:59]
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DerpUnion	so whats the deal with Classic, gavin is starting to look desperate	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	"starting" eh.	[12:02]
DerpUnion	first it was 20MB, then 8MB-8GB, now its down to 2MB, that is like atleast a 10x change in his "technical position"	[12:02]
Michail1	PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :[07:00] ;;later tell mircea_popescu Yes, why?	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	gavin looks more or less like http://40.media.tumblr.com/8897aa45b63e00398849f8d57ecd11f0/tumblr_mevisnYxfK1ruyqizo1_1280.jpg , which is fitting.	[12:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/231vIgK )	[12:04]
DerpUnion	mircea_popescu: Whats the deal with Erik Voorhees supporting larger blocks, u still in touch with him?	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	;;seen evoorhees	[12:06]
gribble	evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	not in a coupla years.	[12:06]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - DOW low under 16000 before April 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1225/dow-low-under-16000-before-april-2016/#b25	[12:06]
thestringpuller	!gettrust assbot evoorhees	[12:09]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=evoorhees \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/	[12:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00051183 = 16.6857 BTC [+] {3}	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c here's a thought, in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ might be a good idea to hide users not seen in i dunno, a quarter ? a year ? something ? explained, and with link for "full list".	[12:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:12]
assbot	WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S )	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	!seen gribble	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	and kakobrekla - how about assbot getting a !seen which returns "timestamp of last successful !v response" ? so as not to have to use gribble's.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	cut right down on the name squatting business.	[12:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25599 @ 0.00051328 = 13.1395 BTC [+]	[12:16]
thestringpuller	I can't get the numbers to work to make mining profitable. I don't see how it would be possible. It's like flushing BTC down a toilet.	[12:16]
DerpUnion	id reckon its only possible with subsidised or free electricity	[12:17]
thestringpuller	that's not the problem. it's the escalating difficulty.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	you recall the mpoe-pr's buffett quote ?	[12:18]
thestringpuller	any miner going online today will never break even at the retail price point	[12:18]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: oh yea. it's zero sum. I have that saved somewhere around here.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	so... yeah. it isn't nor could it be.	[12:18]
DerpUnion	how cld that be? if your running cost is 0 and your income non-zero, u will eventually recoup	[12:18]
DerpUnion	though that cld be a long eventually	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	link him then thestringpuller ?	[12:19]
thestringpuller	From the horse's mouth: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1985.html	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	!rate atomicat 1 New blood	[12:21]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/58dc0bb375decb96	[12:21]
DerpUnion	thestringpuller: think i might have read this b4, but will go thru it again, thx	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.atomicat.1:5483b037c87df6ab61aeef4e9e34a256445265b6491b4cefe4b0540842b5edbe	[12:21]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for atomicat with note: New blood	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	" The domestic textile industry operates in a commodity business, competing in a world market in which substantial excess capacity exists." and subsq.	[12:22]
thestringpuller	Relevant part hanbot had posted >> "Over the years, we had the option of making large capital expenditures in the textile operation that would have allowed us to somewhat reduce variable costs. Each proposal to do so looked like an immediate winner. Measured by standard return-on- investment tests, in fact, these proposals usually promised greater economic benefits than would have resulted from comparable expenditures in our	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	actually check out this wonder : https://archive.is/9Ao8F#selection-37.331-37.5373	[12:24]
assbot	Chairman's Letter - 1985 ... ( http://bit.ly/231zarE )	[12:24]
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thestringpuller	and then "But the promised benefits from these textile investments were illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign, were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each company’s capital investment decision appeared cost- effective and rational; viewed collectively, the decisio	[12:25]
Atomicat	mircea_popescu: I really appriciate it.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	cheers.	[12:26]
thestringpuller	DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	the strange with bitcoin is that mining is ALWAYS a market in which supracapacity exists, for the odd reason that mining is a ~0 demand activity, which is altogether a concept unknown in economy so far.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	what happens is that the same nominal amount will be distributed to all producers uniformly by lottery, no matter the volume of production.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	that there exists no marginal demand created by production increase nor any demand destroyed by production shortages makes the situation quite peculiar.	[12:27]
thestringpuller	This is why you get stories of people investing in mining and holding BTC until price escalates then sell portion to get net profit. But bear market has prevented that for the past 1.5-2 years	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	there IS the implicit fiat short where you finance your mining with [tax deductible] fiat losses, and maintain your profits in bitcoin.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	which is the primary driver for the extreme run-up in hashing we've been experiencing the past coupla years.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	but this behaviour is very difficult to model.	[12:29]
thestringpuller	aha! the plot thickens.	[12:29]
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thestringpuller	!up DerpUnion	[12:30]
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thestringpuller	i had a theory the "profitable" miners (ones that got in early before major difficulty increase vis-a-vis jgarzik getting first avalon miner and paying it off in 1 month), will drop the price to push other miners offline.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't trust jgarzik's ability to correctly account for a business venture, for one thing.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	"old miners" do what you say in cases such as saudi arabia cutting prices to sink obama's hopes of reindustrializing the us, sure. but note that there's a strong "god-given" element to this : the saudis didn't BUILD those oil deposits.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	in a sense they're stuck with them. much like a preppy kid that's stuck with his parents house.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	the other kids in school'd BETTER think his dad's house is cool, or else he stands to lose a lot. so he has a vested interest in having the sluttier chicks in class over by his pool each weekend, that other kids in better situations don't.	[12:33]
thestringpuller	this is how gatsby tried to rise to power, but was struck down by "old money". it would seem miners would operate under the same mentality.	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	you are aware that's a book, written about "how it is to be rich" by someone who was himself poor ?	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	something like https://archive.org/details/memoirsoftalleyr02talliala would make a better sample of "what it's like", that dude was loaded.	[12:36]
assbot	Memoirs of Talleyrand : Talleyrand-Périgord, Charles Maurice de, prince de Bénévent, 1754-1838 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1mYilNs )	[12:36]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370176 I suspect bitfury is a wholly-owned subsidiary of TMSC	[12:37]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 15:24:47; thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry	[12:37]
thestringpuller	f. scott fitzgerald really didn't get experience "the rich life", it's just interesting to me that "old miners" operate similar to "old money". i do find it intriguing the proletariat of America found that book so fascinating in declaring "the american dream" dead.	[12:37]
Atomicat	How can I register on MPEX and is there any profittable assets to invest in currently?	[12:40]
thestringpuller	Atomicat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#3	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	iirc mpex assets have been the only profitable sort of bitcoin assets throughout bitcoin's history.	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	now, just how profitable and which... that's an open question.	[12:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31128 @ 0.0005077 = 15.8037 BTC [-] {2}	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	but, illo tempore, http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/	[12:43]
assbot	The best investments in the history of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DBmu )	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	as well as, for completness, http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/	[12:43]
assbot	The list of discontinued assets on MPEx on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DI1j )	[12:43]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: thanks for the link. french bourgeois life during that time. my what a time.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	you know who the guy was right ?	[12:44]
thestringpuller	I'm reading about him right now and his diplomacy in france.	[12:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7586 @ 0.00050752 = 3.85 BTC [-]	[12:44]
thestringpuller	seems dope as hell: "His career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe."	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	right. napoleon got to be napoleon for two reasons and a spot of luck. the ancient nobility prince here named is one reason, count bernadotte, later king, is the other.	[12:45]
thestringpuller	Yea he was the kissinger of napoleon from what I'm reading.	[12:45]
thestringpuller	srsly. why go to college when you have #bitcoin-assets	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	and of everyone else.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	and ugly as fuck, but the hottest fuck in paris. at least if you ask the sluts.	[12:46]
thestringpuller	punkman: are you talking about that tawainese semiconductor company?	[12:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00050027 = 17.0592 BTC [-] {3}	[12:47]
Atomicat	mircea_popescu: "Make sure you include verbiage to reflect that you are aware you will be required to pay 50 BTC as fees for registering the account, and are prepared to do so. "	[12:48]
Atomicat	Is this still valid?	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	Atomicat yeah. but there are brokers, such as for instance jurov's coinbr.com that are less onerous.	[12:48]
thestringpuller	coinbr is a good deal. 0.019 btc a month	[12:49]
thestringpuller	;;calc 50 / 0.019	[12:50]
gribble	2631.57894737	[12:50]
thestringpuller	^- months to pay off mpex fee at coinbr rates. << so you can't beat that	[12:50]
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Atomicat	thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu should lower the price bacuase the bitcoin was not this high at that time.	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	the price was actually lower historically.	[13:03]
thestringpuller	Atomicat: he value of a seat on the New York Stock Exchange has been falling after reaching a high nearly $4 million in 2005 to a value arounf $2.5 million today. << Significantly cheaper than a seat at the NYSE	[13:04]
Atomicat	lol yeah but MPEX is not as big as NYSE.;p	[13:05]
Atomicat	How many assets are listed on MPEX? Is there a list?	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/	[13:06]
assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfC2pe )	[13:06]
Atomicat	IMO, There isn't much listed there.	[13:08]
thestringpuller	I blame the VC-fueled derps. Others blame the school systems.	[13:09]
Atomicat	lol	[13:09]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag	[13:10]
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mircea_popescu	eh what's the rush anyway.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	as bitcoin grows there'll be more stuff to list.	[13:10]
ascii_butugychag	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733	[13:11]
assbot	OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )	[13:11]
thestringpuller	srsly?!?	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	'The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious server into leaking client memory to the server, including private client user keys.	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	'	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	SECURITY: ssh(1): The OpenSSH client code between 5.4 and 7.1	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	contains experimential support for resuming SSH-connections (roaming).	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	server into leaking client memory to the server, including private	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	client user keys.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[13:13]
ascii_butugychag	still waiting for anybody to suggest removing ALL the 'mebbe for later' crapolade	[13:17]
ascii_butugychag	or would that be t3rr0r1zm!1111	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	how would progress progress!	[13:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115816 @ 0.00049927 = 57.8235 BTC [-]	[13:23]
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BingoBoingo	to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race << What abot DOn Cheadle?	[13:43]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: he's the exception to the rule, you also get the occasional light-skinned Nigerian :)	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	apparently you can also get blue eyed black people, 1 in 5mn or somesuch	[13:44]
thestringpuller	I'm green eyed black person, but that doesn't count.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	that's somewhat more common.	[13:46]
BingoBoingo	i dun have one. << I swore you had one with mebbe 5 posts or something	[13:48]
thestringpuller	he does	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	i do ?	[13:49]
thestringpuller	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923	[13:49]
thestringpuller	unless someone squatted you	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	i dunno what that is.	[13:49]
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BingoBoingo	Sounds kinda like MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35900.msg444504#msg444504	[13:56]
assbot	Bounty 1 BTC for a new Friend - All my friends are ReTards ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2t75P )	[13:56]
BingoBoingo	Then again who can remember all they things wine talked them into	[13:57]
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shinohai	I'm shocked not a single person has left feedback on that MP account lol	[14:07]
BingoBoingo	Didn't exist yet	[14:08]
BingoBoingo	Thermos introduced the rating system sometime in 2013	[14:08]
BingoBoingo	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733	[14:10]
assbot	OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 and CVE-2016-0778 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )	[14:10]
BingoBoingo	UPDATE: Affects all OpenSSH 5.4 - 7.1: Apply the workaround and wait for an upcoming release.	[14:10]
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BingoBoingo	http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/5.7/common/022_ssh.patch.sig	[14:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N9HPwL )	[14:11]
BingoBoingo	Sounds a lot like ascii_butugychag was always right "SSH roaming enables a client, in case an SSH connection breaks	[14:12]
BingoBoingo	unexpectedly, to resume it at a later time, provided the server also	[14:12]
BingoBoingo	supports it. The OpenSSH server doesn't support roaming, but the OpenSSH client	[14:12]
BingoBoingo	supports it (even though it's not documented) and it's enabled by	[14:12]
BingoBoingo	default."	[14:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00049802 = 4.2865 BTC [-]	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/b17b3f105a3bfbf838443492b1974592/tumblr_n34z2zgTth1trf4yko1_500.gif	[14:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N9KvKJ )	[14:31]
BingoBoingo	In still other news http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/#comment-39755	[14:39]
assbot	Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQ7a5c )	[14:39]
thestringpuller	so gavin conceded >> http://gavinandresen.ninja/classic-unlimited-xt-core << "In the long run I think everything will work out fine, no matter what happens with the block limit."	[14:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8864 @ 0.00050498 = 4.4761 BTC [+]	[14:59]
deedbot-	[Qntra] OpenSSH Client Bug Leaks Memory Contents - http://qntra.net/2016/01/openssh-client-bug-leaks-memory-contents/	[15:00]
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BingoBoingo	!up idkwhat2dowithmy	[15:02]
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idkwhat2dowithmy	BingoBoingo I've been reading your stuff on qntra	[15:03]
idkwhat2dowithmy	Good stuff	[15:03]
BingoBoingo	thank you	[15:03]
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shinohai	!s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/	[15:59]
assbot	Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO )	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	maybe link him to the whole pogo thing ?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	perhaps the biggest matzah ball hanging over the heads of all this well meaning & naive "foss" thing is the sheer disinclination of the kids to do research.	[16:09]
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mircea_popescu	;;google Varg Quisling Larssøn Vikernes	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	heh	[16:17]
gribble	Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Varg Vikernes \| Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: ; Some Facts about Varg Vikernes & his Case \| Thulean Perspective:	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	da nordic model is not without its quislings	[16:19]
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BingoBoingo	!up idkwhat2dowithmy Mebbe fix your connection	[16:25]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[16:37]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.47, vol: 4485.50246632 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.05, vol: 4968.71595 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.01, vol: 14521.98254248 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.615917, vol: 31225.21250000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.16367, vol: 49.14092684 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.3657, vol: 59.86576517 \| Volume-weighted last average: 430.622890863	[16:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/14/server_retired_after_18_years_and_ten_months_beat_that_readers/	[16:40]
assbot	Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORItnW )	[16:40]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/037d6253192bbb88959455bc7684cccc/tumblr_mzp1mac2cP1rwmba9o1_1280.jpg	[16:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ORJJHG )	[16:54]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Water Quality Crisis In United States Lake Region - http://qntra.net/2016/01/water-quality-crisis-in-united-states-lake-region/	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:24]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[18:24]
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ascii_butugychag	so i looked into what folks did in the dark ages prior to 'v'	[18:25]
ascii_butugychag	and behold,	[18:25]
ascii_butugychag	https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[18:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33863 @ 0.00050066 = 16.9538 BTC [-] {2}	[18:25]
ascii_butugychag	mega-l0l, worth a read	[18:25]
ascii_butugychag	esp. to all the folks who want to 'automate' crypto	[18:25]
ascii_butugychag	i think in the time it takes to even read that page, you could write a quite respectable v-tron...	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	i... shot him an email.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag you have to know tho. in the time it takes most women to suck at their amorous life, they could make themselves into quite respectable slavegirls. so what of it ?	[18:27]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[18:28]
ascii_butugychag	could they, now.	[18:28]
ascii_butugychag	could i become a respectable sumo wrestler in the time i take on the train, aha.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	there's a major difference between disciplines of the mind, such as NOT BEING STUPID	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	and disciplines of the ass, such as being a sumo wrestler.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	the former's all removal. much like our work on bitcoin pore.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	for it's not really any sort of core. tis a pore.	[18:29]
ascii_butugychag	my mind is still boggling at the sheer monumental complexity of the signed-git crud	[18:31]
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mircea_popescu	complexity is improvement ; war is peace.	[18:32]
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mircea_popescu	i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.	[18:34]
thestringpuller	the funny thing is the core devs proclaim "No need to use V or TRB method. We sign our git patches!!!!111"	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[18:35]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: this is intensely selected for in the 'job market'	[18:35]
ascii_butugychag	(if your system makes sense to others, you might get sacked, etc)	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag it is, but not just. the nonsense is in fact so pervasive that when someone does something horrible ~and it matters not at all what it is ~ the first, the automatic, the one true psychological defense is... "you don't understand"	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	as if your don't undertstanding is an extenuating circumstance, that somehow makes anything better, like salt and blowing up the whites.	[18:36]
thestringpuller	pretty sure security through obfuscation has been disproven.	[18:37]
thestringpuller	should aim for _actual_ security not pseudo security	[18:37]
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ascii_butugychag	thestringpuller: the observation was about 'job security'	[18:38]
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thestringpuller	there was once a Ph.D ex-NASA worker employed by my buddy at McAffee back in the day. He built job security around "filtering mail". When my buddy became a manager, he asked the d00d "What do you actually do?" The guy gave this long obfuscated explanation, and my buddy said, "So we can replace you with a mail proc script?"	[18:40]
thestringpuller	The d00d kept trying to say how his job was meaningful and useful, etc.	[18:40]
thestringpuller	So one day, buddy gives this d00d a pink slip, and replaces him with a mail proc script.	[18:40]
ascii_butugychag	if he had to explain at all, he clearly failed to 'securitify' his job	[18:40]
thestringpuller	for the old management he did, but he couldn't bullshit my buddy.	[18:41]
BingoBoingo	!up brg444	[18:41]
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brg444	new rules?	[18:42]
BingoBoingo	?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	?	[18:42]
brg444	couldn't seem to manage to !up?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	no changes afaik.	[18:42]
BingoBoingo	!gettrust assbot brg444	[18:42]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/	[18:42]
brg444	[16:45] You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)	[18:42]
brg444	ah!	[18:43]
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thestringpuller	https://archive.is/9ZfPP << apparently the culprit (via pete_dushenski)	[18:43]
BingoBoingo	!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:9851d7a0361f264dc91cb22826ff9694902bee07b46676ec73d9c945b4c5894b	[18:43]
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brg444	so mircea_popescu mike head already hanging in your living room?	[18:44]
brg444	if not safe to say you can now claim the body http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/business/dealbook/the-bitcoin-believer-who-gave-up.html	[18:44]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peg5s1 )	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	that's ok, the usg can keep it.	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	brg444: Ah pete gave you a egrate	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	negrate	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	brg444: I'm working on the Qntra piece on the NYTimes piece	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot brg444	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	ah you got nulled.	[18:45]
brg444	I'm seeing that now :/	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	what exactly is the contention there ?	[18:45]
brg444	I've no idea	[18:46]
thestringpuller	pete didn't like what he said on reddit?	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	"Two years ago, Mr. Hearn quit a cushy programming job at Google’s Swiss headquarters" << dude gtfo, cushy gofer job.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	idiots.	[18:46]
brg444	likely	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	!rate brg444 1 whatevs	[18:46]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: where are you reading that?	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	" Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left and quietly took a job at a new start-up."	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	o REALLY.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	fucking nyt ffs. no research right ?	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	asshat didn't "become disillusioned", and he was never a prominent "leader".	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	he was a prominent mole, ever since the original forkattack.	[18:48]
brg444	more importantly do we know if he really had bitcoins ?	[18:48]
B0g4r7_	bad_duck BananaLotus ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo bounce brg444	[18:48]
thestringpuller	that picture is priceless. he could at least have a few sluts to pose with.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah BingoBoingo qntra gotta run a piece setting "nathaniel popper" straight.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck is that asspirate anyway.	[18:49]
ascii_butugychag	afaik hearn was a loud, unrepentant 'garnish' from day 1 on stage ...?	[18:49]
BingoBoingo	Yes	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[18:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Thing hit my radar just after the Post industrial shithole piece.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	but the fact that they can't keep their oh-so-precious "state secrets" from the republic bothers them immensely.	[18:50]
ascii_butugychag	l0l i'm still waiting for an ~actual~ seeeekrit	[18:51]
shinohai	!gettrust asciilifeform	[18:51]
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thestringpuller	"He believes that the dangers of the current impasse have not been reflected in the price of Bitcoin because the full debate has been censored in many of the online forums where Bitcoin is discussed." << When did reddit become "the forum"?	[18:51]
thestringpuller	oh this takes the cake >> “I want to be in a professional environment again where people are grounded in some sort of business reality.”	[18:52]
brg444	^ meh. Price did react and tanked when he released the XTurd	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	briefly.	[18:52]
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brg444	sure	[18:52]
thestringpuller	What is this nonsense? Mike Hearn gets exiled from Bitcoin and decides to keep complaining?	[18:53]
ascii_butugychag	he is being placed in storage	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	what did you expect him to do, "i am an abject failure that decided to go up against better men, who first warned me and then turned me inside out like a glove" ?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag pretty much.	[18:54]
ascii_butugychag	on account of the faux-trb 'bitcoin classic' crapolade	[18:54]
ascii_butugychag	which is usg's new tack	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	nono, they were gonna matter!	[18:54]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:54]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i don't recall any other scammer being as vocal after they failed.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	hahaha wut ?	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	how about every single idiot to date!	[18:55]
thestringpuller	but not _this_ vocal	[18:56]
brg444	thestringpuller there's not quite an attention whore like mike	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	in the sense that nytimes only publishes the faux accounts of SOME scammers, rather than all scammers.	[18:56]
thestringpuller	i guess how cops only catch some of the criminals not all of them.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah. "some".	[18:57]
ascii_butugychag	thing is, muppets are cheap	[18:57]
thestringpuller	i forgot. sometimes they just sprinkle crack on nigger homeowners and call it a day.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, expect him to show up in system-d or whatever. "grounded in business reality"	[18:57]
ascii_butugychag	yesterday - hearn, tomorrow - some other	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	quite. they spawn like cockroaches.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs.	[18:58]
thestringpuller	the pointless and the witless in full effect.	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	so i'm not seeing any actual defeat here	[18:58]
brg444	they're already breeding the new generation "toomim"	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag you won't see any actual defeat no matter what happened.	[18:58]
thestringpuller	"Pointless : I guess sooner or later I'll lose, because idiocy has infinite hitpoints."	[18:59]
ascii_butugychag	why not ?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	you'll sit there on a mass grave with a million corpses in it, and alternatively piss inside and go "no defeat here"	[18:59]
ascii_butugychag	l0lz	[18:59]
thestringpuller	while at the same time woodchipper continues to spew moar corpses into grave while idiots tell you "they know better"	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i'm short a woman currently, so how about you lot get busy making some replacements.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	date moar!	[19:00]
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mircea_popescu	for there is no such thing as defeat, as alf correctly observes. but there is such thing as victory.	[19:01]
ascii_butugychag	sure is.	[19:01]
ascii_butugychag	i'd like to live to see it, even.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	!up PeterL	[19:04]
-assbot-	You voiced PeterL for 30 minutes.	[19:04]
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PeterL	ty	[19:04]
PeterL	so I was trying out v, version 99997, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/14a90ef2-4619-4c89-b976-dede86778384/?raw=true I think something is wrong?	[19:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SQNejk )	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	o.O da fuck is that	[19:05]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370425 << This is going in the first paragraph	[19:06]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 21:54:03; mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	!help	[19:06]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[19:06]
PeterL	I think it should have a different fingerprint for each person, but it is showing the same for everybody	[19:06]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: did you somehow copy my key over every other ?	[19:06]
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PeterL	no, I looked at the files, they are each different	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	uh	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	can you paste the script that output that ?	[19:07]
PeterL	just a sec	[19:07]
PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/50aad8c0-d795-4237-b435-c3b4097e1ab5/?raw=true	[19:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Pejk2B )	[19:08]
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mircea_popescu	i meant the script. v.pl	[19:11]
PeterL	oh, sure	[19:11]
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trinque	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d8baa878-8c30-47bb-ba86-f1a9d7c45877/?raw=true << I get normal output.	[19:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PejK99 )	[19:12]
PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/38578613-73c4-49f2-9610-0b5ce976cb00/?raw=true	[19:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PejOG9 )	[19:13]
*	adlai wonders how serene a republic must get for the first n00b to volunteer log summary deeds... not like anybody able to pay for this would either do so or volunteer himself	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	why deed the logs ?	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	Why summarize logs?	[19:15]
adlai	well the logs themselves are deeded (or at least the past year(s)? didn't verify it all myself)	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	the latter's actuyally useful.	[19:15]
*	adlai agrees with mircea_popescu here!	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	PeterL the script looks ok i have nfi how it could put out the output you show.	[19:16]
samO_	shesek shinohai shovel_boss_ sinetek so Soligor starsoccer stoon STRML sueastside	[19:17]
samO_	shesek shinohai shovel_boss_ sinetek so Soligor starsoccer stoon STRML sueastside	[19:17]
PeterL	this is with Perl v5.18.2, on Xubuntu	[19:18]
PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e0a0f007-3a1e-4ef8-aaae-fa44eed9a031/?raw=true	[19:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PekDP4 )	[19:23]
PeterL	maybe? alf and mircea I copied key off net and into file, they show up fine in v list, the other two I imported into gpg key and then exported to a file	[19:24]
PeterL	did gpg --export mess something up?	[19:24]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_butugychag	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	not in this manner at any rate.	[19:25]
PeterL	anyway, I am off to get dinner, will check back in later sometime	[19:26]
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*	adlai wonders whether qntra would be a better venue than deeds for summaries; it has the advantage of requiring review and implying approval, rather than merely inviting sha256 and best-effort backup	[19:35]
trinque	it's certainly more an editorial/publishing concern than mere archival	[19:39]
BingoBoingo	Qntra is the wrong place for log "summaries," News that happens in the logs yes. General summmaries of X period in the logs no. The complete logs are their own canon.	[19:42]
adlai	quidquid editore dictum est, sic fiat	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/the-amateur-whore.png	[19:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ODjY )	[19:49]
BingoBoingo	Is that getting wrapped into a trilema post?	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	nah	[19:51]
BingoBoingo	You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something.	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	adlai: Cliff notes are not reading shakespeare, even if the kid passes the classroom test. Even a quality summary is at best merely an aid useful for assisting a thrid or fourth rereading of the actual canon material.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	in my mind at least, "summary" has merged much closer to re-threadify.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	sort-of how philosophy is studied both historically and thematically. the log is historical, but there should prolly be a thematic repository	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something. << wait, wut ?!	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	That's not summary, that's commentary.	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: At some point you are surely going to find occasion to include that amateur whore in a Trilema. It will be the exact derp to properly explain some other derp who needs a good shiting on.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	should that happen, which seems improbable, i'll just... fish another one ?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	but i guess who knows teh future huh.	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	That's how USG works, just fishing new Hearnias everytime the dumber power rangers rig up a fresh truss to pretend the last one wasn't a problem.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i thought you meant you wanted to use it or something.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	which, if that's what you meant, go ahead.	[20:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4283 @ 0.00050082 = 2.145 BTC [-]	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	Ah no. I jsut suspected you might be writing a post. Then when you said it wasn't going into a post decided to jinx it.	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	haven't i derped enough about okcupid on trilema ?!	[20:07]
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BingoBoingo	You've never covered anything enough on Trilema. This is a serious optimization problem.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00049925 = 6.5946 BTC [-]	[20:08]
shinohai	;;later tell mod6 V pressed out correctly this time, is building.	[20:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:09]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369798 << for starters, because Bitcoin differentiates between them, modulo s/were/are/ ; and because fixing this requires admitting that separating the merkle roots covering inputs and outputs might actually be onto something	[20:11]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 03:31:31; ben_vulpes: i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined	[20:11]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369694 << I hope you don't mean anything that makes it ~easier~ to use (treatises in latin are not included, but a bitch to write)	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 02:55:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ?	[20:13]
adlai	cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512]	[20:14]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.	[20:14]
adlai	"can read source and figure out wtf it does and why" is almost as sybil-resistent as PoW	[20:15]
*	adlai would guess that it's a little early for an RFC, but has no readily available data about the time-in-market for RFCed technology	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0005028 = 4.7273 BTC [+]	[20:18]
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*	adlai still things that !s S.MPOE would be more useful in deedbot than log.b-a	[20:28]
adlai	assbot isn't 100% correct, but this is fixable	[20:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00051 = 17.1615 BTC [+]	[20:32]
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adlai	not in the "produce non-cuantic trading engine" sense, but in the "RFC if your trade didn't appear properly" sense	[20:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050188 = 9.8368 BTC [-] {2}	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00050133 = 10.0767 BTC [-]	[20:47]
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*	adlai wonders whether a sign of 'Bitcoin Mecca' will be legislating that taxable income must be delivered in local fiat, without actually making non-fiat payment illegal as incentive, enticement, teasing, etc	[21:00]
adlai	the fiat gov signing such a law signs its own expiration warrant, but the average legislator probably isn't smart enough to be reading the logs	[21:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00050999 = 2.6519 BTC [+] {2}	[21:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00049925 = 3.0454 BTC [-] {2}	[21:09]
thestringpuller	afk grabbing food	[21:11]
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adlai	^ pure snr imnsho, along with !down etc	[21:12]
thestringpuller	wrong channel :<	[21:14]
*	adlai files incident under "excuses to steal"	[21:16]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370343 << i see this constantly	[21:18]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 21:32:41; mircea_popescu: i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.	[21:18]
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ben_vulpes	ui programmers are especially prone to this, imho because the smalltalk MPI style of MVC and data marshalling through layers is very much not a paradigm that lends itself to simplicity of code design.	[21:23]
deedbot-	[Qntra] NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" - http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/	[21:25]
*	adlai blinks... since when does deedbot- follow nyt? or hearn for that matter?	[21:25]
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ben_vulpes	qntra, yo	[21:25]
adlai	afk grabbing sleep/etc	[21:26]
BingoBoingo	Quadruple title chain via deedbot- yo	[21:26]
jurov	;;ticker	[21:35]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 427.56, Best ask: 427.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 427.52, 24 hour volume: 13409.57571648, 24 hour low: 426.0, 24 hour high: 435.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[21:35]
jurov	^ clearly abject failure	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	something occurred ?	[21:45]
mod6	shinohai: good to hear, thx for the update.	[21:47]
mod6	now i will look at PeterL's issue.	[21:48]
mats	https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt	[21:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TYRpYI )	[21:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00049892 = 5.987 BTC [-] {3}	[21:48]
mod6	;; later tell PeterL hey, the version of 'v.pl' that you have looks correct to me. the issue is that you have the pubkeys named incorrectly, try with 'mod6.asc', 'ben_vulpes.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc' and 'mircea_popescu.asc'	[21:51]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:51]
mod6	;;later tell PeterL I guess also, if that doesn't resolve the issue, there could be something weird going on with your gpg import. might have to investigate more with you.	[21:53]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:53]
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phf	asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"?	[21:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.00049883 = 5.6088 BTC [-]	[21:55]
BingoBoingo	Looks like I missed https://archive.is/9Kmlb	[22:10]
assbot	The resolution of the Bitcoin experiment — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYTm7y )	[22:10]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell bitstein I missed that original piece by Mike Hearn. I see no reason to link it or an archive of in in the Qntra article. Mike Hearn hasn't had a say on any subject in a long time. Why should he get one about himself?	[22:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:12]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3282 @ 0.00050312 = 1.6512 BTC [+] {2}	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	" but it’s now common to be asked to pay more to miners than a credit card would charge."	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	dude get the everloving fuck out.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	which is why people who aren't poorfags use wires.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	reading mike hearn is like reading timecube without the humor, writing skill, grounding in reality, variety and aesthetic appreciation.	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[22:17]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZAB70Z.txt )	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	That's the other good reason it wouldn't have been linked if I found it in time. It's like Cryptsy screaming their were hacked after their end has already entered the record. Too late.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	this ustard fixation with credit cards.	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/#comment-39977	[22:19]
assbot	NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYU7NY )	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	"oh, cars don't even have buggywhips!!11 CARS HAVE FAILED!11"	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	stop trying to hurt horses, idiot.	[22:19]
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BingoBoingo	What, my car has a buggy whip. Not very useful when moving anymore, but might be useful if stopped by an angry urban crowd.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	heh	[22:23]
adlai	some of my best friends defuse road rage with firearms (works in the middle east, at least, where it's initiated with posturing rather than intent)	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	up until they run into one of the people that go by the principle that "if i see you armed you're dead."	[22:24]
*	adlai has yet to see the "51st state" go full usgtard	[22:25]
*	BingoBoingo prefer the whip for historical lulz. If going down to an angry urban mob might as well tack on the irony of defending self with Antebellum era agricultural tool.	[22:26]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[22:33]
gribble	Current Blocks: 393357 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 \| Next Difficulty In: 1778 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[22:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00050037 = 1.5842 BTC [-]	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck	[22:40]
assbot	Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr )	[22:40]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370555 << ahahahahaha whole thing is worth reading:	[22:40]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 00:46:28; mats: https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt	[22:40]
asciilifeform	'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.'	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	http://www.themillionairebloggingsystem.com/ << epic shit.	[22:40]
assbot	The Millionaire Blogging System ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa3Bv )	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was improved.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015#1336374	[22:41]
assbot	Logged on 04-12-2015 14:59:41; asciilifeform: (does anyone recall the very recent thread re: gcc optimizing away a certain kind of security check WHEN EXPLICITLY ASKED NOT TO ?)	[22:41]
BingoBoingo	http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck << http://maddox.xmission.com	[22:42]
assbot	Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr )	[22:42]
assbot	rULeR Of thE UniverSe. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa9ct )	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	ty,	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	but i think ima stop listening to people who don't have what i want (tits)	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	also... "this could be my office"	[22:43]
asciilifeform	holy shit is that reptilia's hotel ?!!	[22:43]
asciilifeform	re: earlier, see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298696	[22:44]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	it's some old dude apparently living in costa rica (which he invented), telling the world truths in centered lines. "Yes, in case you didn't know it Facebook is a HUGE Blogging Platform and it earns Facebook Billions of Dollars !In fact Facebook generated $217.00 every second, 24hrs a day during 2013. And they Earned that money from You Blogging!"	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure that's how they got it. not from random usg tendrils washing billions in "advertising".	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	"I have and I am continuing to make posts relating to different Occupations and Passions that can Profit and or Benefit from having a Blog. I will give a touch of ideas of HOW a Blog can Help each topic."	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	this is Lulzy and extreMely Amuseing.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	in other 'news', 4 days of malleus without a blackholing	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	o/	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	"The Video is just a small sample that can get you started with Your Blog. Each subject is also reinforcement for ideas that You can use in your Life. Example .. The Ideas that I give for a Doctor can easily be modified and applied to another business or Passion. The basics of How a Doctor can monetize her Blog can also be applied to a person with a Coin Collection."	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	this vaguely reminds me of me when i was 6.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	did i tell the story of the utility program i wrote in basic ?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	hm?	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	was a lengthy list of 4+7*3 = 25	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	not sorted in any particular order. so that you know, if you needed a calculatuion made... you could just run my program and ... look it up.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	maybe you wish to know what 6+5+3+2*3 = ?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	l0l matrix multiplication tables!	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	what can i say. you got me.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	i had it saved on tape.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	THEN i figurd out the tape could get damaged	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	so i saved it on another tape.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	preserved to this day ?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	my mother prolly has it.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	i have floppies from before i was born, that still read ok	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	This Hearnia stuff has be stuck back reading March 2013 Trilema. Prolly one of my top 5 favorite Trilema months http://trilema.com/lets-capture-forum-bugs-in-amber	[22:52]
assbot	Let's capture forum bugs in amber on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSb10G )	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	actually the ddr metallic-something tapes of the era were much better than everything i saw since.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	aha!	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	you got favourite months bb ?!	[22:52]
asciilifeform	those were mega-spiffy	[22:52]
asciilifeform	my folks had'em	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	basf made excellent ones and so did uh	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	i forget, yellow.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	basf made the best floppies also	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	i think the best igot were 3m	[22:53]
asciilifeform	best in orcland at any rate	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	3m actually was a fine corp for a long time.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	i still remember my first 3m product	[22:53]
asciilifeform	mother brought it in one day - a box of 'post-it-notes'	[22:53]
asciilifeform	they had a strange perfume inside, also	[22:54]
asciilifeform	(today it is no longer used)	[22:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yes, but I can only ever name one at a time and never specify and ordering lest I jinx the list. This is still feeling now like an alt universe version of 2012-2013	[22:54]
BingoBoingo	And seriously March 2013 trilema linked to /dtng/ even http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/	[22:55]
assbot	Rape is fun, or let's fuck up Adria Richards on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeBAsR )	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050653 = 2.1528 BTC [+]	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00049837 = 1.6197 BTC [-] {4}	[22:58]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/dIA0kWk.jpg	[23:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC7uC )	[23:04]
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BingoBoingo	https://imgur.com/a/B8PMl	[23:05]
assbot	The Yay! Blood Glucose Monitor - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC81T )	[23:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00049809 = 2.2912 BTC [-]	[23:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00050891 = 22.0612 BTC [+] {5}	[23:54]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370562 << take a guess.	[23:59]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 00:52:44; phf: asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"?	[23:59]
asciilifeform	fuck hidden state.	[23:59]

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