Forum logs for 14 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform so it loses a sub-whisker now and again. doesn't even notice. [00:00]
asciilifeform grows ten more. [00:00]
asciilifeform << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? [00:01]
assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches? [00:01]
asciilifeform << btw, i've actually been in this comical situation, on more than one occasion [00:01]
assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:14:23; assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea." [00:02]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Per the latest mod6 v script, playing with all the things [00:02]
asciilifeform << they are ubiquitous where i live. i think literally everybody, other than flat-dwellers, has one [00:02]
assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:09:39; mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ? [00:02]
asciilifeform with possible exception of folks whose gen was stolen and haven't gotten around to buying a new one yet [00:03]
asciilifeform << somebody with an 's' name, i think... smickles ?? [00:05]
assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 23:45:24; mircea_popescu: << who was this ? [00:05]
asciilifeform ;;seen smickles [00:05]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs [00:05]
asciilifeform maybe not [00:05]
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asciilifeform << this is what 'will is everything' looks like - a mental asylum, half full of provocateur stooges, half - of diagnosable imbeciles [00:07]
assbot Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:53; shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: [00:07]
asciilifeform !s new york death ray [00:07]
assbot 12 results for 'new york death ray' : [00:07]
asciilifeform if death ray man were not already in jail, he would find good company in oregon. [00:08]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? << the only mirror at this time is [00:08]
assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches? [00:08]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( ) [00:08]
mod6 your latest two patches & corresponding seals were added. [00:08]
asciilifeform mod6: the www ? [00:08]
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asciilifeform or is there some rsync thing going [00:08]
mod6 well, it's really [00:08]
assbot Index of /v ... ( ) [00:08]
asciilifeform ah [00:08]
mod6 but you don't hvae to know the subdir to make the sync work properly. you just put the root URL of the given mirror [00:09]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong. [00:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:09]
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mircea_popescu cool. [00:10]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? << i think what we need is basically like an RFC of the thing to explain the overall concepts and baseline functions. this way anyone can implement their own V without having to parse mine, yours, or bens, or whomever. [00:11]
assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones. [00:11]
mircea_popescu FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL << youi have to appreciate this is before your oregon was invented [00:11]
mod6 I just need to get to it. lol. lot on my plate. if anyone would like to start work on this with direction from me that'd be fine too. just let me know. [00:11]
mircea_popescu (you may not know of all the 90s "urban revival" attempts that created such as modern portland etc, after a seattle blueprint) [00:11]
mod6 so currently, the main thing im working on/looking at is a possible high/low-S vpatch [00:14]
mircea_popescu << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. << it's funny how much of a judeoxtian fundamentalist you are seeing how you don't even alphabet! wouldn't something equally ridiculous like indian-whatever go better with your semiotic ideas ? [00:14]
assbot Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce. [00:14]
asciilifeform mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag [00:15]
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asciilifeform esp. when we finally get that mine pool [00:15]
mircea_popescu mod6 basically all it needs is a test-and-substract. [00:15]
mod6 was thinking that. could just have a switch for "classic" mode where you get the 50/50 action on high/low, or only low-S. [00:15]
mircea_popescu (this can be tacked on at the end, the protocol is really that shitty) [00:15]
asciilifeform or all-highS [00:15]
asciilifeform (i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one) [00:16]
mod6 is there a reason for only high-S ? [00:16]
asciilifeform to fill our high-S-only pool, of course!111 [00:16]
mod6 ok, other than that? [00:16]
asciilifeform can't think of for what else [00:16]
asciilifeform thing is, like it or not, high-S is LEGITIMATELY bitcoin [00:16]
asciilifeform just as low-S [00:17]
mod6 yeup, ofc. [00:17]
asciilifeform if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ? [00:18]
mod6 but, i'd be nice to ship a bitcoinatron that actually bitcoinates without the weird shit. i'd like Mr. P. to be able to send coins without issues. [00:18]
mod6 *it'd [00:18]
asciilifeform to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool [00:19]
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asciilifeform rather than adding talmudistry to trb [00:19]
asciilifeform if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter, [00:20]
mod6 so here's a thing -- if I make a vpatch for this, one doesn't need to build with it either. but one could, and that should resolve the issue. [00:20]
asciilifeform somebody ought to be collecting those fees! [00:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think you understand how this works. [00:20]
mircea_popescu blocks aren't individual items. they are chained. [00:20]
asciilifeform aha.. [00:20]
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asciilifeform and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block [00:21]
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mircea_popescu there isn't a "you do yours and i do mine" thing here. IF we decide to mine as much as one single high s block, this INVALIDATES all further work of all noncompliant miners. forever. [00:21]
mircea_popescu For. Ever. [00:21]
mircea_popescu we currently can at any point revert to high-s, or any-s. [00:21]
asciilifeform iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid [00:21]
mircea_popescu they can not. [00:21]
asciilifeform only that they are not selected for blocks [00:21]
asciilifeform or relayed [00:21]
mircea_popescu yes, they did, that's what the "soft fork" debacle was all about. [00:21]
asciilifeform i thought it was only the relay and selector [00:22]
asciilifeform (and, naturally, tx generator) [00:22]
mircea_popescu bitcoin split specificallyt because miners "voted" to approve the (non controversial, even here, see logs) patch [00:22]
mircea_popescu then failed to implement it [00:22]
mircea_popescu then mined a block with high-s and the whole shebang was forked for 36 hours [00:22]
mircea_popescu this is why we do not give a rat;s ass about "voting", fundamentally : they already had a vote that indicated ~100% miner agreement that then had 0% actual support. [00:23]
* asciilifeform digs for the prb src [00:23]
mircea_popescu and incidentally - if it weren't cheaper to implement than to just forget it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED [00:23]
mircea_popescu votes or no votes. [00:23]
asciilifeform what made it cheaper ? [00:23]
mircea_popescu (non controversial, even here, see logs) [00:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, understand the strategic situation here. i can, at this and any future point, decide to revert this soft fork. they can not, they are committed to forever sticking to it. [00:24]
mircea_popescu i'm not about to lead this ace into random trick. [00:24]
mircea_popescu blockbridge! [00:25]
asciilifeform if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ? [00:25]
asciilifeform i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying [00:25]
mircea_popescu mno. soft forks are a narrowing of the protocol. [00:25]
mircea_popescu they can be applied by convention. as the chance is still valid by everyone's rule, no changes are needed. [00:26]
mircea_popescu hard forks are a change of the protocol. as the change is NOT valid by everyone's rules, it is definitionally an alt coin. [00:26]
asciilifeform aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules [00:26]
mircea_popescu generally the reason power rangers keep wanting to hide the chain and the validation mechanisms is simply that [00:27]
mircea_popescu their version of bitcoin is not actually valid as per the bitcoin protocol. [00:27]
mircea_popescu barely hangs on by a mix of "grandfathering" and "don't look in this box", much like the usg that spawned them. [00:27]
mircea_popescu in this sense, building atop that shit is an excursion in insanity, which is why ONLY usg-financed "companies" do it (in the sense of pretending to do anything besides hiring more ustards and eating rubber chickens at "conferences") [00:28]
ben_vulpes i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined [00:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i think you are conflating the DER encoding thing with the high/low-S thing [00:36]
asciilifeform they were separate items [00:36]
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asciilifeform and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx [00:37]
asciilifeform what am i missing [00:38]
mircea_popescu you seem to be operating on the delusional notion miners user prb ?! [00:39]
mircea_popescu !up changenie [00:39]
-assbot- You voiced changenie for 30 minutes. [00:39]
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mircea_popescu hi there changenie [00:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not speaking of miners, but of your earlier statement re:, approx, 'mining a high-S-containing block is a perma-fork' [00:40]
asciilifeform trying to figure out how this is so [00:40]
mircea_popescu and you are right, BIP66 was "strict DER". [00:40]
mircea_popescu << pretty good discussion. [00:41]
asciilifeform i am trying to grasp what, precisely, would happen, if mircea_popescu or anybody were to build a high-S miner [00:41]
assbot bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( ) [00:41]
mircea_popescu for some reason the whole high/low S thing is part and parcel of this in my head. [00:42]
asciilifeform 'The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. ' <<< ahahaha turns out i was right, even per the horse's own mouth [00:42]
asciilifeform you ~can~ miner high-S without permafork [00:42]
asciilifeform *mine [00:42]
asciilifeform but somehow 'everybody' was persuaded not to [00:42]
asciilifeform (because ????????) [00:42]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is something we can experiment with once someone picks up the pool thing ? [00:42]
asciilifeform well certainly not with bare hands. [00:43]
asciilifeform but my earlier hypothesis was that a high (or at least nondiscriminatory)-S pool would specifically have an edge. [00:43]
asciilifeform (because 'market' for them, if you will, is under-served for no good reason) [00:44]
mircea_popescu not really. because it is trivial to malleate txn [00:44]
mircea_popescu see, miner that sees high-S tx can either reject it, or just low-S it. [00:44]
asciilifeform malleate prior to your pool seeing the original ? [00:44]
asciilifeform let'em try their luck [00:44]
mircea_popescu it's happening all the time ? [00:45]
mircea_popescu i currently send both kinds, and the mined blocks include the low-ified S all the time. [00:45]
mircea_popescu no miner rejects high S txn as such. [00:45]
asciilifeform incidentally i still don't fully grasp the point of the whole malleation thing [00:45]
asciilifeform with whom, specifically, does it screw ? [00:46]
mircea_popescu there is no fucking point. what is the point of other than "get all these bitches lined up in thin plastic wrapped young titties so we can stroke it better" ? [00:46]
assbot ... ( ) [00:46]
mircea_popescu that's how "states" are built, you're supposed to be aped by the awesome power of this imaginary thing that lo! it makes whole rafts of bitches to absurd shit like this [00:47]
mircea_popescu when you can't even get one to spread properly. [00:47]
asciilifeform i must be simple-minded, then [00:48]
asciilifeform because i don't see the mega-point [00:48]
asciilifeform tx malleation brings not one single hooligan a step closer to the pirannha tank. [00:48]
mircea_popescu wut ? [00:48]
mircea_popescu did i just talk through you ? [00:48]
asciilifeform possibly? [00:49]
asciilifeform how is tx malleation supposed to impress anybody with the majesty of usg ? [00:49]
asciilifeform it doesn't ~do~ anything [00:49]
asciilifeform it's got no tits. [00:49]
mircea_popescu but "everyone" does it. and you want to be just like everyone, don't you ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu tits are for older boys, like they had in pre-nazi germany. [00:50]
mircea_popescu for the raft of 3yos the us is infested with, tits yet hold a different meaning than ravishment. [00:50]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, i would suppose that is "child porn" by today's standards, right ? buncha fourteen year olds in clingwrap tops. [00:53]
mircea_popescu whar is teh compliance documents!11 [00:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to fully formulate the impedance mismatch here, because on reread this isn't satisfactory. suppose you have a chain of blocks, B1...Bn. suppose you also have a chain (different concepts) of txn , T1...Tm. [00:57]
mircea_popescu all miners, whether they be S-indiscriminate or S-selective can mine T1 necessarily. the latter as is ; the former as T1 in 50% of cases and as T1' in the remainder cases, where T1' = C-T1 [00:58]
mircea_popescu should T1' be mined, then T2...TN is now invalid, and will have to be resent. [00:59]
asciilifeform well yes [00:59]
mircea_popescu it's true that this costs S-indiscriminate miners the txn fees of T2-Tn, but [00:59]
asciilifeform but the S-selection does not appear to touch block-validity-tester at all! [00:59]
asciilifeform in any known client [00:59]
mircea_popescu a) the expectation is, as you've seen, that i'll get an accountant out of bed and on my own dime fix the mess power rangers made because hey, why not, it's a decentralized protocol which means some idiots break it and the world fixes it [01:00]
asciilifeform DER-encoding thing? yes. [01:00]
asciilifeform S ? no [01:00]
mircea_popescu however more importantly b) there is NO WAY for neutral-S miners to profit from T2-Tn as-is. [01:00]
mircea_popescu so yet another aspect of the well familiar by now disaster of commons [01:00]
mircea_popescu but i must an' gladly do commend your stubborn insistence because yeah in fact i was conflating two things in mah head. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu now, if subsidy was more like 25 cents than 25 BTC, we wouldn't even have this discussion. [01:03]
mircea_popescu but sadly... it's hard to make a function to describe future human behaviour. [01:04]
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phf asciilifeform: cryptological theme park, is that the spy museum or this some other facility? [01:15]
asciilifeform phf: nah, a sorta restaurant/club [01:15]
asciilifeform корпоратив. [01:16]
phf huh [01:18]
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asciilifeform phf: one of those places that exists for 'team building' gymnastics [01:19]
phf aah, i see [01:19]
phf because a cryptology themed restaurant, that would be something i'd want to see. nsa contractors go there for burgers, kind of ironically, but also cause it's close to "the location". spy memorabilia, but all utterly obscure for a casual observer. cute frequency analysis problems sprinkled all over [01:21]
asciilifeform they have (had? it's been a while) colourful substitution cipher rebuses in the 'starbucks' around dc area [01:22]
phf i vaguely recall that [01:26]
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mircea_popescu "old crows", used to be a thing. [02:05]
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mircea_popescu !up idkwhat2dowithmy [02:19]
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idkwhat2dowithmy Thank you mircea, I've been reading qntra and thought I'd pop in here [02:23]
mircea_popescu cool. [02:23]
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BingoBoingo V-enture seems to have worked [03:09]
mircea_popescu wd! [03:10]
BingoBoingo atm rescanning an ancient wallet to see if anything is there. Hopefully datacenter gets back to me tomorrow about dedi-box, which is practice for colo-box [03:15]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.15378746 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - [04:51]
BingoBoingo That trump bet's looking like it could make it to 100 BTC [04:53]
BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet [04:53]
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BingoBoingo trb behaving as expected so far, no forgetten gold in the wallet.dat yet [05:01]
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punkman [08:04]
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punkman check out the diy grenades [08:10]
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mircea_popescu punkman the whole thing of even having black people in star wars. seriously ? the retcon of all time. [09:02]
mircea_popescu "oh black people always existed, we just didn't film any back in the 60s." [09:02]
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fluffypony Billy Dee Williams (who played Lando Calrissian) was in Empire Strikes Back and in Return of the Jedi [09:07]
fluffypony and he's black as night [09:08]
shinohai ;;blocks [09:10]
gribble 393287 [09:10]
mircea_popescu so the retcon forks off episode V rather than episode I ? or wait... actually this franchise starts midway does it ? [09:12]
mircea_popescu i guess that's what i get for commenting on stuff i never bothered to actually see. [09:13]
shinohai I skipped the Jar-Jar awfulness. I have seen first 3 movies and the latest [09:14]
mircea_popescu mmkay so : Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope being the 1977 & first release of the thing, has no black people in it. does it ? [09:14]
shinohai I don't recall. Don't think so unless it is a background character. [09:15]
fluffypony well [09:15]
mircea_popescu "Star Wars was released theatrically in the United States on May 25, 1977. It earned $461 million in the US and $314 million overseas, totaling $775 million. It surpassed Jaws (1975) to become the highest-grossing film of all time; its gross was later surpassed by that of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982). When adjusted for inflation as of 2013" << check it out, there was inflation since the 80s ?! [09:15]
fluffypony it kinda did [09:15]
fluffypony David Prowse was black [09:15]
mircea_popescu ah did it ? alrighty then. [09:16]
fluffypony but I doubt many people knew it [09:16]
mircea_popescu why the fuck do these people still bitch about it then ?! [09:16]
fluffypony I mean James Earl Jones, not David Prowse [09:16]
shinohai Ah! [09:16]
fluffypony and in the prequels there was Samuel L Jackson [09:17]
* mircea_popescu has no idea who any of these people are, googles the latter, he looks about as black as wesley snipes wtf. [09:17]
shinohai But alas, James Earl Jones was but a voice, underneath they still made vadar a wrinkly old white guy. [09:17]
mircea_popescu oh [09:17]
mircea_popescu voice actor [09:17]
fluffypony yeah, that's why I said I doubt many people knew that Darth Vader's voice was a black guy [09:17]
mircea_popescu i dun think it would have "count"-ed for the same people. [09:18]
shinohai Samuel L Jackson kills in th the new Hateful Eight movie. [09:18]
fluffypony I guess the running joke is that most of the films only had 1 (visible) black actor/actress [09:18]
mircea_popescu eh, his best work is pulp fiction. [09:18]
fluffypony but they had a bunch of aliens, so it's a dumb argument [09:18]
fluffypony "there weren't enough Gungans in the original trilogy!" [09:18]
fluffypony #GunganLivesMatter [09:19]
shinohai I liked Four Rooms, but that was only co-produced. [09:19]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well moreover it's only relevant in the sense of fan service commentary. "oh, really, it just so happened all your bridge bunnies were 180 and freshly laid off the siegfried follies ? fancy that coincidence into the future!" [09:19]
punkman episode 4 had one black person, then the added a bunch more in 5 and 6 [09:20]
mircea_popescu "oh, you made a movie in 2010 and there's a buncha black dudes in it ? how considerate of you, where were you in 1952!" [09:20]
fluffypony punkman: Lando Calrissian was the only memorable on-screen black character, tho [09:21]
fluffypony but in a movie where a small green hobbit-creature is a major star, I don't know if that counts [09:21]
mircea_popescu he looks spanish [09:21]
fluffypony to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race [09:21]
shinohai Moorish [09:22]
punkman fluffypony: much more than Samuel L. Jackson [09:22]
mircea_popescu shinohai yeah, or i guess brazillian-portuguese. [09:22]
shinohai mircea_popescu is right, he would be the perfect space Moor [09:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony that'd be because they are lol. [09:22]
fluffypony yeah [09:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050045 = 14.0626 BTC [-] {2} [09:23]
mircea_popescu saw a proper black dude yest, about 6 feet fifty-eight inches, ebony-black. very pretty. [09:23]
* mircea_popescu tries to recall which west african country was a spanish dominion already. [09:24]
punkman Angola? [09:24]
mircea_popescu mmm [09:25]
punkman actually that's portuguese [09:26]
punkman seems the spanish didn't ever go further than the Sahara [09:26]
shinohai Casablanca and Morroco are straight - up Spanish tho [09:26]
mircea_popescu nono there was one [09:27]
mircea_popescu equatorial guinea! there. [09:27]
mircea_popescu exactly where these dudes be from. [09:27]
mircea_popescu between cameroon and gabon [09:27]
mircea_popescu in unrelated news, guy complains about not getting my email, i tell him his shit's probably badly set up, he tells me my shit's prolly blacklisted, i go what the fuck. spend a time googling to see if this can be even tested, turns out it can, i end up on which says that i'm perfect except "listed in pyzor". [09:31]
mircea_popescu i do some digging around, it turns out that, get this : they list THE FUCKING MESSAGE. so if you ever wondered why the string "123" can't be sent through email, take a motherfucking guess. [09:31]
assbot Spam Test Result by ... ( ) [09:31]
assbot Listed on Pyzor · Issue #39 · SpamExperts/pyzor · GitHub ... ( ) [09:31]
mircea_popescu who gave imbeciles computers! BE ASHAMED OF YOUR BAYESIAN SELF! [09:31]
mircea_popescu (hey, but 123 is a... symbol, right ? it MAKES SENSE to attach meaning to symbols, right ? buncha illiterate louts!) [09:31]
mircea_popescu and of course the "service" "has moved" to nowhere and is imported downstream without any sort of sanity checking by unwarrantedly-popular mass market services and on it fucking goes. [09:34]
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mircea_popescu !up Atomicat [09:41]
-assbot- You voiced Atomicat for 30 minutes. [09:41]
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Atomicat mircea_popescu: Hi and thanks [09:41]
mircea_popescu yw. who're you ? [09:42]
Atomicat Bitcointalk member [09:42]
jurov hahahaha [09:42]
mircea_popescu :)) [09:42]
Atomicat mircea_popescu:;u=52741 [09:47]
assbot View the profile of MPOE-PR ... ( ) [09:47]
Atomicat Is this your profile on bitcointalk? [09:47]
mircea_popescu you're not THAT are you ?! [09:47]
mircea_popescu mno. [09:47]
Atomicat For a long time I though that's your profile. [09:48]
mircea_popescu no, that's hanbot [09:48]
Atomicat haha hanbot's idle time: 0d 6h 38m 51s [09:49]
mircea_popescu ;;seen hanbot [09:49]
gribble hanbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: deedbot- [09:49]
Atomicat MPOE-PR Last Active: December 01, 2014, 11:41:22 PM [09:49]
mircea_popescu there is a log, it's searchable, have a ball. [09:50]
Atomicat BTW, What's your profile on bitcointalk? [09:50]
mircea_popescu i dun have one. [09:50]
mircea_popescu !s tardstalk [09:50]
assbot 105 results for 'tardstalk' : [09:50]
Atomicat You own MPEX and don't have a profile on bitcointalk?? [09:51]
mircea_popescu aha ? [09:52]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 9.66061887 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - [09:55]
punkman [10:04]
assbot China is building its first military base in Africa. America should be very nervous. ... ( ) [10:04]
mircea_popescu heh. usg can't afford to even consider this matter. it "never happened". [10:05]
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punkman !up PeterL [10:10]
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PeterL << we don't need any hash power to make TRB mining pool, miners bring the has power, we tell them what to mine [10:12]
assbot Logged on 12-01-2016 01:10:25; assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool. [10:12]
mircea_popescu PeterL im planning to offer a little bonus, but someone DOES have to run the actual pool. [10:12]
PeterL item for trilema jobs board? [10:12]
mircea_popescu not really. in my mind, trilema jobs board is a sort of "free for all" - items that anyone can pick up. this is only open to l2, really. [10:13]
PeterL Atomicat, I used to be active on bitcointalk, but then I found this place. Now I never go there anymore. [10:14]
mircea_popescu you don't advertise jobs requiring a clearance in the want ad section of teh newspaper either. [10:14]
PeterL good point [10:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26837 @ 0.00049932 = 13.4003 BTC [-] {2} [10:20]
shinohai I only made an account a few days ago during the bitbet brouhaha [10:20]
shinohai Other than that every post seems to be whining about "being censored" and sych [10:21]
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mircea_popescu !up Atomicat [10:51]
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Atomicat PeterL: What is a TRB mining pool? [10:51]
mircea_popescu there's a PR-Bitcoin maintained by the power rangers. there's also the true bitcoin, maintained by the bitcoin foundation ( ) [10:52]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( ) [10:52]
mircea_popescu there's a lot of non-compliant or vaguely compliant mining pools out there. [10:52]
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mircea_popescu the idea'd be to have an actually compliant pool, for once. [10:52]
mircea_popescu (not that pools are such a bright idea in the first place, but sadly this is a dropped ball we can't so far fix) [10:53]
Atomicat mircea_popescu: I have a good programming background and might be interested in running a pool if I can offer something other pools doesn't [10:53]
mircea_popescu !up PeterL [10:53]
-assbot- You voiced PeterL for 30 minutes. [10:53]
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mircea_popescu Atomicat the best avenue for you would be to register in the wot and spend half year or so reading hte logs to get up to speed. [10:53]
PeterL Atomicat, it would be a mining pool run using the same rule as TRB (the real bitcoin) [10:53]
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mircea_popescu !up AndChat-63600 [10:54]
-assbot- You voiced AndChat-63600 for 30 minutes. [10:54]
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PeterL iiuc, the current reference implementation of trb does not support pooled mining, so somebody would have to port the current trb ruleset into a mining pool program [10:55]
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Atomicat mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool. [10:55]
Atomicat Sorry for asking too many questions but what's a #b-a pool? [10:56]
PeterL same thing, different name [10:56]
mircea_popescu #b-a is short for #bitcoin-assets [10:56]
Atomicat ah [10:56]
PeterL #b-a is this group, which is where trb is developed [10:56]
PeterL although, somebody outside this group could pick up trb and start their own pool, so I guess it is not exactly the same thing [10:57]
mircea_popescu "the differences, while present, are not yet important" [10:57]
PeterL #b-a mining pool implies it is run by people within the #b-a WoT, trb pool implies it follows the rules set forth in trb [10:58]
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mircea_popescu ha! quite. [10:58]
PeterL as far as we know, we are the only people using trb? [10:58]
mircea_popescu pretty much thinking like a scientist. [10:58]
mircea_popescu PeterL this is a public channel. for obvious security reasons trb is a superset thereof. [10:58]
PeterL pretty much thinking like a scientist. << is there any other way to think? [11:00]
Atomicat I will look into this later today. What are the rules set forth in TRB? [11:00]
mircea_popescu Atomicat you wanna look into V and all that. [11:00]
mircea_popescu brace yourself, while derps derped on tardstalk etc, a LOT of work went on towards actual bitcoin, and so there's a lot of catch up to do. [11:00]
PeterL there is a mailing list, on the website mircea_popescu linked, and most of it is discussed in these logs [11:00]
Atomicat V? What's the difference between Bitcoin Core and TRB? Does it use the same blockchain? [11:01]
thestringpuller good morning #b-a [11:01]
mircea_popescu it does use the same blockchain. [11:01]
mircea_popescu v is a signature-based versioning system and other things. [11:01]
PeterL also read this: [11:01]
assbot An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part i. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [11:01]
mircea_popescu it allows you to build software on the basis of patches signed by people you specifically trust. [11:02]
mircea_popescu come to think about it... what would you say to "what is v ?" mod6 ? asciilifeform ? anyone else ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu twelve words or less. [11:02]
Atomicat How do I get a positive trust from someone on this list: I would really love to !up myself. ;p [11:02]
assbot A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [11:02]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. [11:02]
mircea_popescu !rate Atomicat 1 New blood [11:02]
assbot Atomicat is not registered in WoT. [11:02]
mircea_popescu Atomicat register, basically. [11:02]
thestringpuller Atomicat: start with [11:03]
thestringpuller !help [11:03]
assbot [11:03]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it's complicated. [11:03]
thestringpuller seems complicated in the sense the trustworthy miners don't advertise themselves but hide in the darkness. [11:03]
mircea_popescu but i'll quote this much to you : 你这么牛掰,你怎么不会汉语啊。

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