Forum logs for 13 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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deedbot-	[Trilema] And now the story has an ending. - http://trilema.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/	[00:12]
kakobrekla	she will be missed	[00:24]
mod6	indeed	[00:25]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] In Memoriam - http://qntra.net/2016/01/in-memoriam/	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25107 @ 0.00050692 = 12.7272 BTC [+] {3}	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050779 = 9.9527 BTC [+] {2}	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	thanks.	[01:28]
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BingoBoingo	turns out it was too close to transformer	[02:12]
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BingoBoingo	In lighter news https://i.imgur.com/1k6zUyn.png	[02:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RL8AxS )	[02:37]
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pete_dushenski	if that's light i dun wanna be heavy	[02:40]
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BingoBoingo	lol pete_dushenski	[02:50]
pete_dushenski	anyone else sombrely, slowly reading through http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-12.log.html#t12:05:36 with (perhaps not so) strange solemnity ?	[02:54]
assbot	#Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-01-12 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLa9fg )	[02:54]
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pete_dushenski	rip chetty.	[02:55]
pete_dushenski	i guess the strange part is how unusual a window into the last few hours and minutes of a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew.	[03:01]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368046 << writing's on the wall. has been for a while, i suppose. http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/	[03:02]
assbot	Logged on 12-01-2016 13:36:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367861 << heh welcome to post-industrial society.	[03:02]
assbot	Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLaWg4 )	[03:03]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368633 << i'm with kako. seems pretty unambiguous. what bc.i lists is what determines the outcome of https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/	[03:09]
assbot	Logged on 12-01-2016 22:24:10; punkman: the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently	[03:09]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 :: 0.94 B (31%) on Yes, 2.09 B (69%) on No \| closing in 4 months 2 weeks \| weight: 64`877 (100`000 to 2`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkQi8 )	[03:09]
pete_dushenski	fwiw	[03:09]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[03:10]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 427.64, Best ask: 428.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 427.84, 24 hour volume: 39860.64921575, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 449.98, 24 hour vwap: None	[03:10]
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pete_dushenski	apparently usb drives still come formatted in 'fat' which doesn't seem to like files >12gb, apparently.	[03:22]
pete_dushenski	apparently !	[03:23]
pete_dushenski	'journaled' seems to be the ticket.	[03:23]
pete_dushenski	can't say i've ever had to reformat a usb drive for that...	[03:24]
pete_dushenski	before the blockchain, that is	[03:24]
pete_dushenski	is there nothing bitcoin doesn't disrupt ?	[03:24]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1334322 << i did it again, didn't i... fuckin eh...	[03:31]
assbot	Logged on 30-11-2015 23:20:22; mircea_popescu: alternatively, all women are the same woman, eh pete_dushenski ?	[03:31]
pete_dushenski	oh, i see what happened now. nvm me...	[03:34]
pete_dushenski	https://bitbet.us/bet/1240/cardano-to-ship-before-xmas-2016/ << heh	[03:40]
assbot	BitBet - Cardano to Ship before Xmas 2016 :: 0.07 B (8%) on Yes, 0.76 B (92%) on No \| closing in 10 months 3 weeks \| weight: 99`845 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ohtget )	[03:40]
*	BingoBoingo is thankful St Louis finally got forked off of the NFL chain so we can be done with the Inglewood rams.	[03:48]
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BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: How much longer do you plan to be awake?	[03:56]
pete_dushenski	maybe an hour	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[03:56]
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BingoBoingo	scribd breaks my gas mask	[04:00]
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pete_dushenski	"Let me start with the economy, and a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history."	[04:16]
pete_dushenski	" The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."	[04:17]
copypaste	North Korea has the most powerful economy and army in the World, as measured by The People's Bureau of Statistics of North Korea.	[04:17]
copypaste	yawn	[04:17]
copypaste	"X is the best according to X"	[04:18]
copypaste	And now you realize that the speeches of American presidents are now informercials	[04:18]
pete_dushenski	"and since no one else spent usdollars, we spent the most usdollars! combined!"	[04:18]
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pete_dushenski	(all but last quote via, yes, bahamas)	[04:19]
copypaste	I could tell without an attribution, it has his typical bravado backed by nothing	[04:19]
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pete_dushenski	you know your muppets	[04:20]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Ulbricht Appellate Brief Filed - http://qntra.net/2016/01/ulbricht-appellate-brief-filed/	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	ty goes to pete_dushenski for gopping places my gas mask clog	[04:21]
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pete_dushenski	i might not kill enough people around here, but i know how to handle myself in harsh environments	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Diaper duty will do that I am told	[04:23]
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pete_dushenski	quite so	[04:24]
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BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/#comment-39002	[04:32]
assbot	Two US Navy Boats And Ten Sailors In Iranian Custody \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cotp )	[04:32]
pete_dushenski	is it just me or does joseph biden look an awful lot like karl lagerfeld with those high white dress shirt collars ? eg. http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Joe-Biden-or-Karl-Lagerfeld-.png	[04:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cyRi )	[04:35]
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davout	pete_dushenski: there definitely is something	[04:50]
pete_dushenski	must be the angle	[04:51]
pete_dushenski	or that biden's 8 years older than the first time i saw him, that much closer to the senior mr. l	[04:52]
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adlai	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1F65SGC.txt	[05:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsE95s )	[05:34]
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adlai	;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368945 << if you have to ask, you've never https://archive.is/n0n34	[05:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:39]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 01:24:02; gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?	[05:39]
assbot	Matthew Veety on Twitter: "@maybekatz I've probs said this before but thank you for making chanl. It's the best thing ever." ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqmK2V )	[05:39]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsFwBc )	[05:42]
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copypaste	Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy	[06:03]
assbot	Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )	[06:03]
adlai	what's cryptsy?	[06:03]
copypaste	Cryptsy is an exchange where you can trade real Bitcoins (and Pushcoins) for virtually any shitty coin imaginable, even those with no running clients.	[06:04]
copypaste	For example, Litecoins, "Stellar", Ethereum, and so on, but even far less known scams like "007coin" and "Aidencoin".	[06:05]
copypaste	In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.	[06:06]
copypaste	Or at least in theory you could, before they "paused" everything a few hours ago.	[06:06]
adlai	!s sarchasm	[06:10]
assbot	1 results for 'sarchasm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sarchasm	[06:10]
copypaste	hehehe	[06:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.0005053 = 1.8039 BTC [-]	[06:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.0005053 = 2.8484 BTC [-]	[06:39]
jurov	sad news. but what a life!	[07:01]
jurov	and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner	[07:04]
jurov	(i went by train so no big deal)	[07:06]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b9	[07:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8539 @ 0.00050835 = 4.3408 BTC [+] {2}	[07:26]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b19	[07:46]
copypaste	;;nethash	[07:51]
gribble	886939250.494	[07:51]
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jurov	;;later tell davout maybe i'm blind but where's paymium api, like vwap?	[07:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:55]
jurov	advance.paymium.com does make recognizable calls like https://paymium.com//api/v1/data/eur/ticker but it's not clear whether it's daily vwap	[07:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZkdemU )	[07:58]
jurov	And since I want to make an agreement with customers based on paymium price (instead of some wannabe indexes),	[08:04]
jurov	i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.	[08:04]
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davout	jurov: vwap is 24h	[08:35]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369075 <<< not exactly sure what you mean	[08:36]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 11:02:15; jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.	[08:36]
jurov	when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?	[08:37]
davout	we don't archive it	[08:50]
davout	i'm busy integrating a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me	[08:50]
jurov	it would be very useful, thanks.	[08:52]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b28	[09:01]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 6.26374519 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b10	[09:26]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 9.99900000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b20	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell pete_dushenski that's nice to know. thanks pete.	[09:30]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368941 << you'll have to bear with me, my hair is pointy and my comprehension ponderous.	[09:31]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 01:22:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.	[09:32]
davout	no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp	[09:38]
assbot	Assemblée nationale ~	[09:38]
davout	"Les constructeurs de matériel doivent prendre en compte dans leurs constructions la nécessité de donner aux forces de l’ordre, dans le cadre d’une enquête judiciaire et après autorisation d’un juge, l’accès aux matériels."	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	there is such a thing as french hardware ?!	[09:38]
davout	some women make my wares hard	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:39]
davout	and sometimes it's my hard wares that use the back doors	[09:39]
davout	enough of this	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	o la la	[09:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369017 << "i am the most powerful mobster in nycity. i pay more in shakedowns than anyone else! and this'll last, too, because it's a stable sort of situation!"	[09:42]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 07:15:01; pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."	[09:42]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369091 << guess he'll have to stop pgping on that minitel console...	[09:46]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 12:36:22; davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp	[09:46]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant	[09:46]
assbot	Logged on 12-01-2016 13:49:39; mircea_popescu: why even bother with the phone after that ?	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	so you're spending your youth, or at least every waking hour away from your child and his mother, to do things you wouldn't use on a platform you hate ?	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	do they have any words for insanity in your language ?	[09:47]
*	asciilifeform exists, possibly, to make ben_vulpes look sane	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	not to get facile over here or anything, but let me point out to you from bitter experience that there is generally less time than one'd reasonably have thought.	[09:48]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369063 << ben_vulpes and i had the honour. we went for coffee, and chetty took us to a park on the outskirts of town where we fed little parrots	[09:48]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 10:02:08; jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner	[09:48]
ben_vulpes	it was the most direct short on the startup market id found pre btc	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	i can see it ben_vulpes .	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im pretty sure jurov and chet met, i have this memory of hanging out and smoking.	[09:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369090 << i've been doing this since '07, publicly. but as mircea_popescu points out, memento mori (tm), there is little time, and i have been doing other things	[09:52]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 12:30:08; mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.	[09:52]
ben_vulpes	furthermore, it is the only cashflow positive short against the startup market.	[09:53]
ben_vulpes	well, a cashflow positive one.	[09:53]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 18.64000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b21	[09:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00050659 = 1.2918 BTC [-] {2}	[09:54]
*	asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform...	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	enjoy!	[09:56]
ben_vulpes	ganbatte	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	"Постарайся", именно в этой форме, а не "старайся".	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369054 << o shit, does this mean de gig is up ?	[09:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:59]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 09:04:03; copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.	[09:59]
ben_vulpes	heh the lightly-salted bootstrap on bitcoinclassic is highly amuse	[10:03]
ben_vulpes	"seriously we am serious with very serious footer!"	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	serious (r) - i can't believe it's not seriouse!	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	!s seriouse	[10:05]
assbot	1 results for 'seriouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=seriouse	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	hmm that's odd.	[10:05]
ben_vulpes	;;seen thickasthieves	[10:05]
gribble	thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: but you da boss	[10:05]
ben_vulpes	the self-eulogies are funny too	[10:06]
ben_vulpes	;;seen artifexd	[10:06]
gribble	artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.	[10:06]
ben_vulpes	;;seen ninjashogun	[10:07]
gribble	ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)	[10:07]
ben_vulpes	heh	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, that wasn't even the outskirts. kinda midtown, the park is two blocks down from chacarrita, the cemetery. she lived nearby. i have a place a good 6 miles further north, right on the province border. the town extends past that, arguably.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	and it extends almost twice as far away from the port in the south -west than i nthe north. a town the size of a respectable country.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	at least in europe, at any rate.	[10:13]
jurov	;;seen chetty	[10:16]
gribble	chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369079 << you could play observer, sign and deed it. alternatively you could just archive.is, but i suspect that'll get gnarly.	[10:16]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 11:35:57; jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?	[10:16]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369131 << http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aindiancandy1+seri* ?	[10:16]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 13:03:07; mircea_popescu: !s seriouse	[10:16]
assbot	8 results for 'from:indiancandy1 seri*' - #bitcoin-assets search	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	oh darn. thx.	[10:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00050836 = 7.8287 BTC [+]	[10:21]
*	adlai would calculate p-values but 'math is hard'	[10:23]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b22	[10:24]
jurov	http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha	[10:26]
assbot	Emerging Harsh Noise Artist Revealed To Be Faulty Air Conditioning Unit - The Hard Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcX1ZW )	[10:26]
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jurov	"However, sources indicate future Decondtioned releases remain in doubt after Packard’s father upgraded the garage air conditioner to a brand new Amana “Whisper Quiet” unit."	[10:27]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.29182984 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b17	[10:28]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: rip chetty?!	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[10:37]
ben_vulpes	alas.	[10:37]
jurov	mircea_popescu: chetty was on second timisoara meeting, too?	[10:39]
shinohai	!s http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops	[10:39]
assbot	BlackBerry PGP handsets 'cracked' by Dutch cyber cops - IT News from V3.co.uk ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rlw6mk )	[10:39]
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mircea_popescu	jurov im pretty sure she showed up at least for some of the stuff.	[10:40]
jurov	because i'm sure i have missed eulora demo (again due to later arrival)	[10:41]
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mircea_popescu	ah	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	but i recall us two discussing wao, for instance.	[10:41]
jurov	um, that is possible	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	an' therefore you must've met.	[10:42]
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mircea_popescu	"I was fired. Sometimes you find it hard just not to cry. (Said employer purged its 20% insubordinate, belligerent, ingenious, and flat-out insane employees. What remained was loyal to a fault, perfect in execution, possessed of fine silk neckties, and unemployed 18 months later when the whole company folded.)"	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	lol hard to not appreciate teh mazepath.	[10:52]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.89167341 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b31	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	"Al, you simply must call Althea Frutex at Glanders, Associates. I FAXed her your resume and she practically jumped through the phone with enthusiasm."	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	"This is Dr. Frutex. Yes, I heard about you! Tell me, how would you generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate in a linear hydrophobic matrix synthesized below its glass transition temperature?"	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	"That should not be difficult. Use attrition technology developed for cobalt-cemented tungsten carbide and substitute about 10 mole-% of high molecular weight PVK to adsorb upon the micaceous platelet crystal surfaces. Thus when you add the dispersed phase to a pre-polymer syrup of about 50,000 centistokes viscosity, non-Fickian Type II diffusion will volumetrically plasticize the adsorbate preventing particle agglomer	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	ation."	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	"Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE!	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	the difference between the kids of today and the kids of back when it was worth meeting new kids... s/lfkdjgkjlewrhgkerhklgj/diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate/	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	guy actually knows wtf he's talking about.	[11:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00050836 = 4.1177 BTC [+]	[11:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050212 = 9.3394 BTC [-] {5}	[11:18]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b67	[11:49]
shinohai	http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/01/13/us-intelligence-boss-james-clappers-phone-and-personal-email-were-hacked/ <<< cracka strikes again	[11:53]
assbot	US intelligence boss phone and personal email were hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1SOwHfU )	[11:53]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/#b8	[11:58]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform... << i'm going to use this to define "uranium mines" to people	[12:09]
thestringpuller	;;nethash	[12:21]
gribble	886485320.427	[12:21]
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thestringpuller	;;calc ( (416666666.667 / 1000 / 1000) / 4.6 ) * 1800	[12:31]
gribble	163043.478261	[12:31]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[12:31]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 428.76, Best ask: 428.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 428.95, 24 hour volume: 40576.26464751, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 448.1, 24 hour vwap: None	[12:31]
thestringpuller	;;calc 163043.478261 / 428.76	[12:31]
gribble	380.267464924	[12:31]
thestringpuller	^- estimated btc for 0.5% of hashpower	[12:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11090 @ 0.00050836 = 5.6377 BTC [+]	[12:44]
thestringpuller	however it looks like no new miner could break even at current prices. (Break even in: infinity days)	[12:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050836 = 1.5759 BTC [+]	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	retail is for suckers.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	"The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.	[13:11]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[13:14]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[13:14]
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ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369206 << l0l, he did say 'as the punchline..' !11	[13:15]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 16:09:36; mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	...	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to decide if you want those salesmen networking or not.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	what's with all these confused broads posing for dating site profile pics WITH THEIR MOTHER.	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	insufficiently humiliated girlhood births monsters.	[13:17]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369182 << he eventually wrote back, promised to generate pgp key, when finds the time...	[13:21]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!	[13:21]
ascii_butugychag	i think he took a look at the logs and was not able to readily distinguish us from the chirp of the frogs.	[13:21]
ascii_butugychag	a problem i had when first showed up, like, i suspect, many folk	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	i guess so, huh.	[13:22]
ascii_butugychag	as, possibly, taleb, et al	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"this, too, shall pass."	[13:22]
ascii_butugychag	old timers are especially allergic to real-time anything	[13:22]
ascii_butugychag	i was sorta on the cusp of this.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"Uncle Al's next first job, four years later, was industrial. Uncle Al was to isolate kerogen (the "not anything like oil") in Colorado oil shale (a calcareous marlstone, not shale). Low rank coal organics are like cured epoxy. They ain't comin' out. The literature was rife with researchers who tortured oil shale then sang like vultures about presumed stuff extracted. Uncle Al dissolved the rock to leave the kerogen. (	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"Orthogonal reactivity" to folks in lab coats, "idiot idea" to idiots in suits.) It was his first Personnel file Pink sheet! He wasn't supposed to succeed."	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	reads like the fucking soviets.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	this isn't really real-time. this is "alligned apperture time".	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	or rather, allignable.	[13:23]
ascii_butugychag	and yes, it shall pass, and with it shall pass the last folks who know how to generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate...	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	"The next first job was creating ophthalmic implants. How is a 5 micron diameter hole drilled through 500 microns of implantable Plexiglas contact lens? It isn't. Nothing can drill such a 100:1 aspect ratio hole. Uncle Al put about 500 7 micron diameter holes through a foot-long Plexiglas rod, the long way, and said "dice it." Holes are a stuff problem, science: vacuum cast glass wool in plastic, dice, then dissolve ou	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	t with aqueous NH4HF2. Engineering diddles things: computers, excimer lasers, and business lunches. It was a Pink solution."	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	ok this is what sheer genius is.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	"turn the fucking spoon around, idjits"	[13:25]
ascii_butugychag	its straight out of altshuller's book	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	i once sent al a scan, he appreciated.	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	!s suddenly the inventor	[13:26]
assbot	5 results for 'suddenly the inventor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suddenly+the+inventor	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	thing had whole chapter on inversions	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	inversion being possibly the most important intellectual activity.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	half the time when someone talking to me here suddenly gets that sinking feeling in his gut and rug flies out from under feet, what had just happened was precisely an inversion.	[13:30]
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mircea_popescu	the other possibly most important intellectual activity is ironically ALSO displayed in the piece : classification	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	"this is a that. that is a this. stop mixing this and that idjits!"	[13:31]
ascii_butugychag	'suddenly the inventor appeared' is the only actually worthwhile book on heuristics i know of.	[13:32]
ascii_butugychag	i was given it as a small child	[13:32]
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mircea_popescu	having run some math... i suspect he is actually correct in the absolute. ie, nothing can for physical reasons drill 5 micron holes in half micrometer lens.	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	make it a few mm squared and you can etch, yes. but...	[13:42]
ascii_butugychag	this is well-known	[13:42]
ascii_butugychag	which is why, e.g., syringe needles, are drawn	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	well im not in fine mfging what can i sya	[13:43]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b68	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	Do opposite shoes vacuum free fall nonidentically? << they do, actually.	[13:53]
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mircea_popescu	difference in angular gravitational momentum	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	i suppose by "vacuum" one might mean "in the book universe where mass exists in points etc".	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[13:55]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[13:56]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: this was the eotvos thing	[13:56]
ascii_butugychag	!s eotvos	[13:56]
assbot	21 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile i noticed the image aha	[13:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Mining Difficulty Already Up 9.12% This Year - http://qntra.net/2016/01/mining-difficulty-already-up-9-12-this-year/	[14:01]
BingoBoingo	Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy << Scammer's don't get to pick their narrative	[14:01]
assbot	Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	"Economists do the economy as psychologists do the mind. A watershed of data is statistically manipulated. Miserably intricate deeply parameterized speculative theory is fit to data, protected from criticism by complexity. Extrapolations are made. Official predictions are absurd versus observed reality. Economists scream "heteroskedasticity!" and demand multi-$trillion Federal bailouts. Psychologists disdain irrelevanc	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	e in a discipline that is self-defined relevant."	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	myeah. the "global warming" bullshit is merely the more visible application of an otherwise historical pseudoscientific process	[14:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up paparazzi	[14:09]
-assbot-	You voiced paparazzi for 30 minutes.	[14:09]
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paparazzi	hello	[14:11]
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paparazzi	!up	[14:11]
thestringpuller	!gettrust paparazzi	[14:12]
assbot	paparazzi is not registered in WoT.	[14:12]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b69	[14:13]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: arguably same process as lysenko	[14:13]
paparazzi	I am still confused	[14:13]
ascii_butugychag	(and not, as often supposed, medieval theology - as it did not have totalitarian apparatus attached)	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	hardly. lysenko had... passion. these twerps just talk about it.	[14:13]
ascii_butugychag	the 1960s enviro-whiners who started the current wave, also had 'passion'	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, anyone saw "the witches of eastwick" ? yet another of nicholson's signature porn stuff.	[14:14]
ascii_butugychag	modern enforcers do not, and need not	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	the man started in "the raven" and has been doing the same thing ever since : playing the devilishly dangerous lone male in a world of boring, twaddled middle aged women.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	goes nicely with the valium for the worthless female subculture of the 80s. sort-of like stoner movies, for a different holstein.	[14:15]
trinque	paparazzi: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[14:16]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	"Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes." ahahaha lovely put.	[14:17]
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ascii_butugychag	'first ecstacy - then laundry.' -- also al	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	nah that's much older.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, you read this bit with the crystals ? behold!	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	"Memory cannot be found because it is not localized, nor does it exist as such. One felicitous memory model is the amorphous glassy metal alloy Ce3Al. Melt-spun alloy passes all local and global tests (HRTEM, ED, XRD, 2D XRD) for random order. Load a diamond anvil cell with a 50x40x15 micron3 sample. At 3,539,000 psi it remains amorphous. At 3,626,000 psi it is a single crystal. Science 332(6036) 1404 (2011), "Long-ran	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	ge topological order in metallic glasses."	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	Devitrifying a glass into crystals is wholly unremarkable. Given the opportunity, solids will descend into their lowest energy state at equilibrium - a crystal. This offers large families of glass-ceramic wonder materials, plus sporadic glassblower loud profanity. That glasses exist at all is also unremarkable. Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes. The problem is scale.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	Atomic bonding does its thing at a scale of angstrom lengths. A 50x40x15 micron sample is (5x105)x(4x105)x(1.5x105) angstroms3 or 3x1016 Å3. How does random structure spontaneously quickly order in a discontinuous transition to sharp diffraction lines (XRD) and spots (2D XRD), with such mammoth amplification? There is no global information! Thermal devitrification at 200°C affords a hexagonal symmetry finely polycrys	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	talline product not a face-centered cubic single crystal.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	The noise that was observed as random structure was not itself random. It contained topological order, a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together. Supercomputer simulation of 24,000 cerium atoms plus 8000 aluminum atoms with or without the topological footnote added is enlightening. Plot respective structure factors against the reciprocal space vector for each case. The curves are identical! Where is the inform	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	ation? It is everywhere, but in no particular place."	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	methinks the real meta-nsa might well be santa claus1	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	have you been good alfie ?	[14:19]
ascii_butugychag	horrid	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	well...	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	!s roboclaus	[14:20]
assbot	0 results for 'roboclaus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=roboclaus	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	;;google roboclaus	[14:20]
gribble	Mrazek shows off RoboClaus, Howard rocks 'ugly sweater' on great ...: ; Robo Claus - Thomas Radcliffe: ; Robot Santa Claus - Futurama Wiki - Wikia:	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	honestly, i always suspected randomness is not merely "not a property of numbers", but altogether not a thing.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	this is the view say danielpbarron would be held to hold anyway.	[14:20]
ascii_butugychag	it is a thing in the sense that 'enemy' is a thing	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	and no further sense than that.	[14:21]
ascii_butugychag	fortunately we don't need the other senses for anything	[14:21]
ascii_butugychag	at least ~i~ don't	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	whoever sits closer to the rng in the sky prints all the money.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	at any rate this has been in fact the history of life on earth to date.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	"a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together" << and yet he hates obama.	[14:22]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	obviously, not altogether for the reasons the idiots who are incapable to love anything like to pretend those who could love don't.	[14:23]
ascii_butugychag	http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty.	[14:24]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes, adlai, phf, gabriel_laddel, et al ^	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	takes 4eva to load	[14:25]
ascii_butugychag	i think it just now choked	[14:25]
ascii_butugychag	damn.	[14:25]
ascii_butugychag	my 'midas touch'...	[14:26]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:27]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[14:27]
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ascii_butugychag	apparently amd actually started proving their alu with acl2, in reaction to the intel fdiv scandal	[14:28]
ascii_butugychag	back in the day.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	yup	[14:28]
ascii_butugychag	(note that the proofs don't need to be about a commonlisp program per se, but anything that can be expressed as one)	[14:30]
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mircea_popescu	"Genrich Altshuller, TRIZ, And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared. Orthodoxy excludes discovery. Heterodox observation falsifies assumed knowledge. Validation studies are bottle washing and button sorting. All discovery is insubordination. Management exists to kill the future, for the only trusted employee is one whose sole marketable asset is loyalty." << o look even mentions him.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	but the management dig is, if perhaps justified by personal experience, nevertheless on the level of "all men are pigs".	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	what does it say of you, that only pigs wish to sleep with you ?	[14:33]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.92120897 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b23	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	"Hippies' marijuana and hallucinogens had interesting outputs; slums' opiates, crack, and crystal meth less so." << yeah, because you apriorily decided you wish to fuck a hippie chick not a filipina brothel slave. that's all.	[14:36]
ascii_butugychag	what's she output?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	moans. just like the other.	[14:37]
ascii_butugychag	the other outputs also other things	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[14:37]
ascii_butugychag	theorems	[14:38]
ascii_butugychag	etc	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	name a hippie theoremist.	[14:38]
ascii_butugychag	or what, this only happens on my planet	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	what, we're going to have a franklin vs baez dispute now ?	[14:38]
ascii_butugychag	i can't name a philipina moanist, either..	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	yes, you can, because you've seen her in jackie brown.	[14:39]
*	ascii_butugychag hasn't	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	what do you think pam grier did with her youth, pre tarantino travolting her career ?	[14:39]
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mircea_popescu	oh, not seen the big bird cage either ?	[14:40]
ascii_butugychag	nope	[14:40]
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mircea_popescu	yes. well...	[14:40]
ascii_butugychag	hard to do, at the bottom of a mine shaft	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	how about "women in cages" ? guy ended up obsessed with the closing shot	[14:41]
ascii_butugychag	nein	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	well, they're 10 cents a pop since teh torrents, seeing how they weren't made by dosney.	[14:42]
phf	my condolences, mp	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	thanks.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	cancer taking the first bite off the lordship list, more fodder for the list of things no one could have predicted.	[14:51]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:58]
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*	ascii_butugychag vaguely recalls an obituaty of some #b-a old-timer in... 2012 ?	[15:02]
ascii_butugychag	*obituary	[15:02]
ascii_butugychag	somebody from the old era	[15:02]
BingoBoingo	First woman on the internet's already gone, to cancer of all things.	[15:06]
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ascii_butugychag	what just happened ?	[15:12]
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BingoBoingo	!up X16a	[15:13]
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BingoBoingo	No idea. buch of K-lines	[15:14]
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copypaste	ascii_butugychag: looks like some IRCop accidentally K-lined all of IRCCloud	[15:20]
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copypaste	Which is a web service that allows people to connect to IRC, similar to CGI:IRC and qwebirc	[15:21]
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copypaste	But IRCCloud comes with USG spying and allows you to idle.	[15:21]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 17.01875309 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b24	[15:50]
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mats	copypaste: yes but did you see irccloud evade my kline?	[15:51]
mats	i didn't expect my client to do that.	[15:55]
copypaste	mats: I'm of the opinion that any service that offers to idle on IRC for you exists for the sole purpose of spying on you	[15:57]
copypaste	And in the case of IRCCloud, is probably a USG front. So of course connecting at all costs is important.	[15:58]
copypaste	(It's also possible that the IRCop made a mistake and removed the KLine.)	[15:58]
mats	irc surveillance is very low on my list of priorities	[15:59]
copypaste	What's low on your list of priorities is probably high on your government's	[15:59]
mats	good	[16:00]
adlai	freenode exists for the purpose of spying, what more do you need?	[16:00]
copypaste	^	[16:00]
mats	I hope the agents will enjoy reading years of trolling and arguments about trivial shit	[16:01]
adlai	"if it's not encrypted, it's public" is an excellent way to treat anything (even off the internet)	[16:01]
copypaste	Well, if that's all you do on IRC you're using it wrong	[16:01]
copypaste	I've conducted deals worth tens of thousands of dollars on IRC	[16:01]
copypaste	So speak for yourself.	[16:01]
mats	I mostly use it to connect to freenode graybeards	[16:02]
adlai	copypaste: do you also sell btc while waiting in line at starbucks?	[16:02]
copypaste	hahaha, no. I don't drink that crap.	[16:02]
adlai	or maybe at least get a table	[16:02]
copypaste	I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC	[16:02]
adlai	!s dpaste.org	[16:03]
assbot	0 results for 'dpaste.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpaste.org	[16:03]
mats	can pass gpg messages, sir	[16:03]
*	adlai apparently can't, oh well	[16:03]
mats	like folks do, with dpaste	[16:03]
adlai	if you're worried about metadata, encrypt your trolling or start a shill or two, it pays for itself in elizatherapy	[16:04]
phf	irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire	[16:07]
phf	copypaste: the fact that your "tens of thousands of dollars" deals have not been compromised is entirely due to "uncatchable joe" factor. is russian joke, "this there is uncatchable joe. -- woah, nobody can catch him? -- no, nobody cares to"	[16:08]
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copypaste	phf: :D	[16:14]
copypaste	O	[16:14]
copypaste	I'm not saying they were illegal, was just demonstrating that IRC isn't just for trolling	[16:14]
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shinohai	;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/	[16:21]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:21]
assbot	ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )	[16:21]
adlai	shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-12-2015#1346910	[16:23]
assbot	Logged on 18-12-2015 22:48:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai too late. If you want a beat you can't just mention diff increase in chan without dropping an encrypted dpaste full of qntra submission.	[16:23]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b70	[17:16]
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thestringpuller	!up Quent	[17:45]
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Quent	thanks - looks like la serene republic finds itself between a rock and a hard place	[17:46]
Quent	2mb fork one one hand SW on the other	[17:46]
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thestringpuller	you can always choose C. the world isn't necessarily always binary.	[17:46]
Quent	will you go for cover which allows you independence? or visibility which means certain invasion?	[17:46]
thestringpuller	this is all in the logs.	[17:47]
Quent	it is very binary unfortunately, in this space anyway	[17:47]
Quent	you see what theymos is doing - you see what centralisation does	[17:47]
Quent	all that applies to the real world...	[17:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050004 = 7.1506 BTC [+] {3}	[17:48]
thestringpuller	Theymos is a known scammer.	[17:48]
thestringpuller	!gettrust assbot theymos	[17:48]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=theymos \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/theymos/	[17:48]
Quent	my point is the masters of real world can bring their hammer down	[17:48]
Quent	if we dont play smart	[17:49]
Quent	they did it to 3-gol or whatever it was	[17:49]
Quent	e-gold*	[17:49]
Quent	you kids can say your shit in your corners	[17:49]
thestringpuller	!gettrust Quent	[17:49]
assbot	Quent is not registered in WoT.	[17:49]
Quent	but without the grown ups covering your shit......	[17:49]
Quent	you become exposed	[17:50]
thestringpuller	you aren't even in WoT	[17:50]
Quent	that's what some are agitating for	[17:50]
Quent	and provoking	[17:50]
Quent	they want the, from the masses view, extrimists to prevail...	[17:50]
Quent	so that the whole thing can be dismissed	[17:50]
Quent	we offer cover for your little corner	[17:50]
Quent	thats realism kids	[17:50]
thestringpuller	okay how about you lurk some more >> http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ when you do come back and discuss	[17:51]
Quent	nah, I've said too much already	[17:53]
Quent	your choice	[17:53]
Quent	oh... well... you hardly have a choice to make lol	[17:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8760 @ 0.00049812 = 4.3635 BTC [-] {4}	[18:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00049626 = 3.2952 BTC [-]	[18:07]
trinque	"that's what 'some' are"	[18:09]
trinque	"I've said too much"	[18:09]
trinque	wtf is this, an action movie?	[18:09]
trinque	Quent: why did the masters of the universe permit you to divulge such privileged information?	[18:10]
trinque	WHO SENT YOU. WHOOOO	[18:10]
Quent	lmao	[18:10]
Quent	good to see the paranoid head pops up first ahaha	[18:11]
Quent	omg he could be an alien ahaha	[18:11]
Quent	anyway	[18:11]
Quent	I have a suggestion	[18:11]
Quent	how about you guys stay out of this?	[18:11]
Quent	you in between a rock and a hardplace	[18:11]
Quent	no choice you can make is good	[18:11]
Quent	so...	[18:11]
trinque	!down Quent	[18:11]
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shinohai	da fuq? lol	[18:23]
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shinohai	yess sah massa Quentin, we gon' stay out of it.	[18:25]
thestringpuller	guy is worse than mr. spam.	[18:26]
shinohai	Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....	[18:28]
thestringpuller	I'm actually in favor of them attempting a hard fork cause it provides war profiteering opportunities.	[18:32]
shinohai	^	[18:33]
thestringpuller	then the guy goes off in PM how trinque censored him, when literally none of the lines he said had any value. it's like a hobo wandering in talking craziness...	[18:35]
shinohai	Must be e reddit person if he cries censorship. Those are the only ppl I know that do.	[18:38]
trinque	"just wants to" feel important	[18:43]
thestringpuller	that's how jgarzik amounted to not much at all. at least at red hat he was doing _something_	[18:47]
thestringpuller	now all he does is posts on twitter and jumps from startup to startup	[18:47]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - S&P 500 to close above 2000 on December 30th - http://bitbet.us/bet/1238/s-p-500-to-close-above-2000-on-december/#b9	[18:53]
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jurov	accept the unspecified protection of our nebulous entity or else!	[19:22]
jurov	ummm... between cock and hard place	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	What was that trilema about the cock eating rock?	[19:34]
shinohai	;;gettrust lrvick	[19:35]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user lrvick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=lrvick \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lrvick \| Rated since: Mon Jun 27 14:19:15 2011	[19:35]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/	[19:40]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ winning	[19:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:40]
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hdbuck	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613	[20:37]
assbot	Transactions and Scripts: DUP HASH160 ... EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG ... ( http://bit.ly/201aTzK )	[20:37]
hdbuck	for the records.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	hdbuck aha.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	but this was back before.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?	[20:47]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 18:00:55; ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369382 << standard here seems to be dpaste, actually.	[20:49]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 19:00:44; copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369389 << this is both why this channel is logged publicly and why the whole "oh herp derp published logs are unexpected" bloviation of EVERY OTHER irc channel is so funny.	[20:50]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 19:05:14; phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369395 << wtf is this, for alfie, with love ? :D	[20:51]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:54; assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller wouldja stop upping this quent derp already. it's like reading vexual-on-stupid-drugs.	[20:52]
thestringpuller	yea. my b. i'm too nice.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	dat feeling when random idiot used to derp in trilema comments FIVE YEARS AGO comes back. same ip. same derpage. time stood still.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	how do they do this ?	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369468 << lol. all paper deal, too, i bet.	[20:56]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 22:38:14; deedbot-: [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	hey "coinbase" - most LOSERS manage a better acquihire after FIVE YEARS. grow beards already, start entertaining at the metro let out.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	so hanbot is working out. she's on one of those balls. i go "hey... silbert picks up coinbase in all-paper acquihire". she starts laughing. she can't stop laughing. eventually she lets out "that entire work-out... just warm-up for this laugh."	[20:59]
kakobrekla	you mean coindesk	[21:01]
kakobrekla	also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems	[21:03]
kakobrekla	at paypal*	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	aww, no more xapo is going to revolutionize and things ?	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla oh wait, different coin-derps ? a well. there goes a good laugh.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND!	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	"A Proposal for Correcting Social Inequities Intrinsic to the Drunkard's Walk: No Photon Left Behind"	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	Classical physics demands certainty. Quantum mechanics demands probability. Diversity demands one more turn of the screw - nullity. We cannot allow the impositions of society to crush the aspirations of culture. Those who are empirically materially productive steal wealth from those who pursue transient hedonistic objectively valueless personal agendas. Diversity is admission for reason of disqualification. Ill-gotten	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	gains from focused efforts must be confiscated by higher authority and distributed to the deserving, less user fees.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	dis dude....	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo have you read uncleal btw ? you gotta read uncleal.	[21:08]
kakobrekla	coindesk = 'news site' , coinbase = 'exchange'	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[21:08]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I prolly need to read moar Uncle Al, so far barely touched the stuff. Most of today's time was spent capping wires and Moar Batteries.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	lol making the bombs ?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	anyway, hearthily recommended, should prolly be on the "introductory reading materials" for new and aspiring qntra editors.	[21:09]
BingoBoingo	Nah, Just getting myself to a solid two or so hour uptime with storm season approaching.	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	And capping wires because why should outlets and switches to nowhere need power?	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	gasoline generator is a loud theftmagnet	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.	[21:11]
assbot	NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND! ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrWk0B )	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you can always bury it.	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	Anysort of actual generation capacity is waiting for wizard tower.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	(not completely, needs air, but pretty well nevertheless)	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	I've see buried natural gas, uncle has one.	[21:12]
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BingoBoingo	For wizard tower looking to do PV and FeNi batteries when the time comes. Until then just doing the off the shelf UPS deal.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	also works.	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	mod6: you around ?	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369180 << heh. why the hell not, y'know ?	[21:16]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."	[21:16]
*	BingoBoingo also spied cheap dedi box on clearance will set up trb node on linux when datacenter gets back to me about paying them.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	because of the very obvious danger this approach poses, pete_dushenski	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	it's the equivalent of a bug going "oh hey, there's some food here. how come ? i didn't put it there ? well... i guess i'll just have some,w hat's the worst that can happen".	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.	[21:17]
pete_dushenski	squish	[21:17]
pete_dushenski	or "this tastes kinda like poi...."	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	and you need 100% of your production redirected away from you, through taxes, spousal support and any and all other available avenues. because omfg.	[21:18]
pete_dushenski	it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money	[21:20]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.	[21:21]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 16:20:20; ascii_butugychag: as, possibly, taleb, et al	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	"wavelength as a second parameter photons" ahahahaha omfg.	[21:21]
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pete_dushenski	this is, recall, the guy who shows up to coffee dates sometimes ~hours~ early, just so he isn't late.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:23]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369296 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 17:18:22; ascii_butugychag: !s roboclaus	[21:25]
assbot	She-santa brings the presents, robo-reindeer bring the pain. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrX4ms )	[21:25]
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pete_dushenski	it's the reindeer that were robo	[21:26]
pete_dushenski	no homo	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	!up guest21333	[21:27]
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BingoBoingo	So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd	[21:50]
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mod6	<+pete_dushenski> mod6: you around ? << yup	[21:54]
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shinohai	@ BingoBoingo I still wound up patching manually :/	[22:06]
BingoBoingo	I'm closer to getting it to work	[22:07]
mod6	<+BingoBoingo> The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd << because the two latest ones haven't been read or tested by me yet.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ?	[22:08]
mod6	you should be able to drop those patches into your patches directory for V, and then also put the seals in your seals dir -- once that's complete doing `./v.pl f` should show you a flow with those patches in there with 'asciilifeform' as the signatory.	[22:08]
mod6	after this, you should be able to press out a new trb that includes the latest patches, then build from there.	[22:09]
BingoBoingo	So do I need to unpack a source Bitcoin tarball anywhere special?	[22:09]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ? << i don't see a problem with doing it this way.	[22:10]
mod6	i can throw those in there. just a moment	[22:10]
shinohai	I got as far as pressing, but code doesnt change mod6 :/	[22:10]
mod6	were the new patches included in your 'flow' output?	[22:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050933 = 12.2239 BTC [+] {2}	[22:15]
BingoBoingo	first press seems fine	[22:16]
BingoBoingo	Also what if you want to press 3 heads at same time?	[22:17]
mod6	it does a single head.	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else	[22:18]
mod6	ok those two latest patches and their corresponding seals from asciilifeform are in the mirror.	[22:18]
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mod6	you should be able to sync the whole thing now and get those ones as well.	[22:18]
BingoBoingo	k	[22:18]
mod6	<+BingoBoingo> So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else << no, you can just up through a given vpatch in the flow.	[22:18]
mod6	*press up	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	But I mean to get the next head do you just repeat pressing with a different head or???	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times	[22:21]
mod6	just one press at a time. choose a new output dir to ensure clean press.	[22:21]
BingoBoingo	k	[22:21]
mod6	<+BingoBoingo> So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times << no should just be able to choose the last one in the flow output	[22:21]
mod6	then it should press all that come before it.	[22:21]
BingoBoingo	There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.	[22:22]
mod6	im about to do this, just a sec.	[22:22]
BingoBoingo	AH, I was doing leaves, not flow	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	my bad	[22:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[22:23]
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BingoBoingo	Ok, I've got a everything	[22:24]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369493 << turned loooong ago	[22:24]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:01:18; kakobrekla: also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems	[22:24]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369531 <<<<<<	[22:25]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	this, unfortunately, is unfixable.	[22:26]
ascii_butugychag	rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369530	[22:26]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:18:25; pete_dushenski: it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	it is easy for the young to ignore the outright heroic accomplishment that it is for say 60yos to just keep track of this mess.	[22:26]
ascii_butugychag	brb train	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	but... one time you'll be 60, and you'll have the opportunity to pick up teenaged chicks off the street. and you'll try, i'm sure, and manage, i'm sure. right ?	[22:27]
pete_dushenski	obligatory re: wences : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/	[22:27]
assbot	Wences whacked, Xapo zapped. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOkvt )	[22:27]
mod6	BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1MP1W10.txt & for future ref.	[22:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOhzT )	[22:27]
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pete_dushenski	"Wences: Okay, I agree with that, friend ; I don’t want to offend you, so I am going to use my mom as an example." << can you spot the three tell-tale scammer hooks here ?	[22:28]
mod6	shinohai: see if you can get the same as me ^^ (see dpaste)	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	ty mod6	[22:36]
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ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369453 << lol11!!	[22:38]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 21:26:30; shinohai: Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....	[22:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0005003 = 8.5551 BTC [-] {3}	[22:41]
mod6	<+BingoBoingo> ty mod6 << np. good questions.	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	funny how nobody in france and generally in the "nordic model" train of euro-socialistoid train wants to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle, the exact equivalent of say arafat, got to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	d us" chiefly because it served the anglo puppet masters.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	"things better left unsaid", stuff like La France being a lot more a creation of militant, government-bombing activism than christianity. and so on.	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	heck, modern spain was built on the rape-and-pillage of more civilised, peace loving, law abiding muslims by religious zealots.	[22:46]
ben_vulpes	noches	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	!up Cristina_	[23:04]
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ben_vulpes	> CGI:IRC << til	[23:07]
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ben_vulpes	> vexual-on-stupid-drugs << ahahaha hey lissen LOOK HOW MUCH WORSE IT COULD BE	[23:12]
asciilifeform	so i didn't finish, train went in tunnel,	[23:17]
asciilifeform	re: surrender,	[23:17]
asciilifeform	what would that ~look~ like ??!	[23:17]
asciilifeform	is there a magic door to surrender into ?	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: computes on commute?	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	now /that/ is luxury	[23:17]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha why the fuq not	[23:17]
asciilifeform	it's an hour+ of train	[23:17]
asciilifeform	don't they have gsm modems in the zimbabwe where you live ?	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20644 @ 0.0005036 = 10.3963 BTC [+]	[23:18]
asciilifeform	(in my zimbabwe we do, but tunnels have spotty reception)	[23:18]
ben_vulpes	i have yet to build the partial-differential-equable-actuator-standing-on-ball to haul computer along on the walk to the office	[23:18]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:19]
asciilifeform	why does ben_vulpes even need to ~go~ to his office	[23:19]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369104	[23:19]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 12:44:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant	[23:19]
asciilifeform	buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ?	[23:19]
ben_vulpes	youthful architectural mistakes on one hand	[23:19]
asciilifeform	the kind that rolls around	[23:19]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i actually enjoy my carbon units	[23:20]
asciilifeform	staff consists of pretty gurlz ? hm ok	[23:20]
ben_vulpes	you've seen the handwritings	[23:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:20]
asciilifeform	neato	[23:20]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes makes women program ipNoje ?	[23:21]
asciilifeform	what cruelty..	[23:21]
ben_vulpes	make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him	[23:21]
asciilifeform	in other nyoooz,	[23:22]
asciilifeform	http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A08093&term=2015&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y	[23:22]
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asciilifeform	turns out ny is the mecca of clipperchipdom,	[23:22]
asciilifeform	who knew.	[23:22]
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asciilifeform	'Relates to the manufacture and sale of smartphones on and after January 1, 2016 that are capable of being decrypted and unlocked by the manufacturer or its operating system provider.'	[23:22]
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ben_vulpes	> "GREATLY EMBOLDEN ONLINE CR1M1NALZ"	[23:22]
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asciilifeform	'Recent technological advances have the potential to greatly embolden online criminals, providing new methods for abusers to avoid detection. The United States Attorney General, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and others have severely criticized the efforts of smartphone manufacturers to keep evidence immune from lawful process. Criticism, however, is not enough. In some cases, perpetrators take advantage	[23:23]
asciilifeform	of encryption and anonymizing technology to conceal contraband materials and disguise their locations. Andrew Weissmann, a former FBI general counsel, has publically called the use of such encryption technology outrageous. According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't get Apple or Google to help retrieve potential evidence. In essence these companies	[23:23]
asciilifeform	are announcing to criminals, 'use this device.''	[23:23]
asciilifeform	best of all,	[23:23]
asciilifeform	'Justice Department officials have said that if the new systems work as advertised, they will make it virtually impossible to solve some cases,as the companies have promised customers the equivalent of a house that can't be searched, or a car trunk that could never be opened.'	[23:23]
asciilifeform	2. Establishes that any smartphone manufactured after January 1, 2016 and sold or leased in New York must be capable of being decrypted by itsmanufacturer 3. Establishes the penalty to those who knowingly sell or lease smartphones that cannot be decrypted or unlocked by the manufacturer, andprovides that sellers and lessors are prohibited from passing any portion of penalty costs on to customers.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	etc...	[23:24]
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ben_vulpes	http://dogs.shithouse.tv/	[23:26]
assbot	dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcogVP )	[23:26]
asciilifeform	in unrelated nyooz, i just came back from a party thrown by $firm, at a kind of cryptological theme park. and one of the riddles involved a skytale.	[23:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16946 @ 0.00050782 = 8.6055 BTC [+] {2}	[23:26]
asciilifeform	(scytale ?)	[23:26]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ? << we have one of those in our office that rolls around and shit. it's actually not bad, although don't see why a conference call can't suffice...	[23:28]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369582 << https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/610831-every-social-association-that-is-not-face-to-face-is-injurious-to	[23:29]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 01:23:57; assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.	[23:29]
assbot	Quote by Nassim Nicholas Taleb: “Every social association that is not face-to-fa...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcovjN )	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wut surrender ?	[23:29]
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mircea_popescu	unrelatedly, i'm starting to be real suspicious over here about plainly observable nonliniarities in the flow of time.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	for instance... did you know that ~20% of women looking to hook up are 29 ?	[23:31]
thestringpuller	^- yea. i think >50% of women who hook up before that age end up "regretting it"	[23:31]
ben_vulpes	that cuspy "ohmigaerd the fun times are about to be oooover" age	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	innit.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	some of them don't even look 45.	[23:32]
thestringpuller	it's amazing what a gym membership can do	[23:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:32]
ben_vulpes	and sleep.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369635 << wait, it's, to quote, "your profile is very interesting, not to mention your devilish good looks" ?	[23:34]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 02:19:37; ben_vulpes: make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him	[23:34]
ben_vulpes	i have farcial hair now, total game-changer	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	" According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't" << oh no, what ever more fearsome thing than when the fiction begins to fray.	[23:36]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: what level of evilness is your facial hair? >> http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg	[23:37]
ben_vulpes	unkempt-i-haven't-had-time-to-sleep-much-less-shave-and-no-my-farcial-hair-doesn't-have-complete-coverage-yet-thank-you-very-much	[23:39]
ben_vulpes	send help i have faulty genes	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	you're just young!	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	i couldn't really grow a decent beard before my 30s.	[23:40]
ben_vulpes	"you're not a man until you can get a girl off just by tickling her with your whiskers"	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?	[23:41]
thestringpuller	i thought girls hated getting scratched by beards?	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	but in other news : chocolate cake being in the making, i was humbly presented with spoon of ganache to lick. (yes while sitting here, ha!). and so i did and because of my beard ... the pleasant scent still floats around my nose.	[23:42]
ben_vulpes	> scrofula	[23:46]
ben_vulpes	I R INSULT	[23:46]
ben_vulpes	FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL	[23:46]
ben_vulpes	> and only two years remain before they will be having a layoff << work for other people, get fired by other people	[23:48]
ben_vulpes	work for clients, get fired by clients	[23:48]
ben_vulpes	death comes for us all	[23:48]
ben_vulpes	pay for your gravestone today!	[23:48]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369687 << i think i only paid enough for pirannhas	[23:54]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 02:47:05; ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today!	[23:54]
asciilifeform	and i bet they are already hatched, somewhere.	[23:54]
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*	asciilifeform recently changed professions in a direction that probably brings them a little nearer	[23:55]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369678 << pet loves scratchy	[23:55]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 02:39:41; mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?	[23:55]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ?	[23:57]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae.	[23:59]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	and it is an iron cockroach, and quite indifferent to poison.	[23:59]

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