Forum logs for 13 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
pankkake I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself [00:00]
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jurov nice, can't he be hired? or is he already? [00:00]
pankkake I only know of my mother-side family history during the war [00:01]
pankkake I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p [00:01]
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mircea_popescu jurov send him to meet people all over france ? [00:02]
jurov not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates [00:03]
mircea_popescu i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s [00:03]
pankkake just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC [00:03]
pankkake what nonsense? [00:03]
mircea_popescu "omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me" [00:04]
mircea_popescu latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains" [00:04]
BingoBoingo pankkake: He pays you or you pay him? [00:04]
pankkake I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free [00:04]
pankkake he pays me [00:04]
mircea_popescu as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer. [00:04]
BingoBoingo pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him. [00:05]
jurov pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian [00:05]
deadweasel well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. [00:05]
pankkake tabernacle ! [00:05]
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punkman you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris? [00:06]
deadweasel BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore. [00:06]
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deadweasel this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc. [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+] [00:07]
mircea_popescu deadweasel apparently. [00:07]
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mircea_popescu punkman wrote some :) [00:07]
davout jurov: that sounds like fun [00:07]
punkman [00:07]
ozbot The Road to Chad/Darfur [00:07]
* davout writes "impudent cocklet" down in his little insults book [00:07]
mike_c mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall. [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-] [00:08]
davout jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring [00:08]
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mircea_popescu mike_c maybe he's honing his skillzors. [00:11]
mircea_popescu << this shit is so lulzy. [00:12]
ozbot ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison [00:12]
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deadweasel did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD [00:15]
mircea_popescu no srsly, it is epic shit. [00:15]
mircea_popescu pankkake you should have a blog baby. [00:16]
pankkake I have a blog [00:16]
pankkake a dead blog [00:16]
mircea_popescu just saying, this stuff is the substance of blogging. [00:17]
pankkake yeah I have a few topics like that [00:17]
pankkake I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+] [00:18]
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pankkake Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot [00:19]
pankkake :( [00:19]
kakobrekla i think thesevend is missing on the table [00:19]
mike_c where is this lovefest taking place? [00:19]
kakobrekla theseven aka [7] [00:19]
deadweasel is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what? [00:19]
pankkake #activemining [00:20]
deadweasel ah, thx! [00:20]
pankkake theseven wasn't a willing participant [00:20]
kakobrekla nigga what?! [00:20]
pankkake I mean, not PR-wise [00:20]
mircea_popescu more like a naive participant i guess [00:20]
pankkake he was contracted for stuff, and named [00:20]
* [7] listens up [00:21]
pankkake :p [00:21]
[7] any labcoin news? [00:21]
pankkake not that I know [00:21]
[7] did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this? [00:21]
Panadol_ pankkake parseval Perlboy pgp phish pingo pizzaman1337 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman [00:22]
Panadol_ pankkake parseval Perlboy pgp phish pingo pizzaman1337 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman [00:22]
mircea_popescu [7] nah, pankkake just made a nice summary thread [00:22]
pankkake there's an italian lawsuit it seems [00:22]
pankkake so maybe! [00:22]
kakobrekla AA is in china or somesuch anyways [00:23]
mircea_popescu pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now [00:23]
mircea_popescu it'd cost me nothing to do so [00:23]
mircea_popescu and nothing'd happen. [00:23]
mircea_popescu eu lawsuits are quite different from us [00:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-] [00:23]
pankkake well the guy's probably in italy [00:23]
kakobrekla naw [00:23]
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mircea_popescu << check out dr greg's withering retort! [00:24]
ozbot [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus [00:24]
mircea_popescu i need to hire out vincent vega. [00:24]
pankkake what's so bad about dr greg anyway? [00:25]
punkman *bald [00:25]
punkman he could IPO that forehead [00:25]
kakobrekla can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock? [00:25]
pankkake lol [00:25]
davout LOL [00:26]
pankkake ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk [00:26]
pankkake and I'll be productive [00:26]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ahaha epic [00:26]
pankkake I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it [00:26]
benkay ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on [00:26]
pankkake [00:26]
mircea_popescu pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot. [00:26]
mircea_popescu he's that half-educated idiot. [00:26]
pankkake as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better… [00:27]
mircea_popescu i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er. [00:27]
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punkman wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er? [00:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4} [00:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+] [00:28]
benkay pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the scam [00:29]
pankkake that would have been better [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7} [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+] [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [00:29]
mircea_popescu punkman likely. [00:29]
pankkake I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand [00:29]
mircea_popescu pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway. [00:30]
mircea_popescu because see, reasons. and things. [00:30]
benkay no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord [00:30]
pankkake well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though [00:30]
mircea_popescu was it for a foreheadectomy ? [00:30]
pankkake he promised low returns! [00:30]
benkay what were you thinking! [00:31]
benkay PIFF is the place for low returns! [00:31]
pankkake he left a nice comment about PIF too :) [00:31]
benkay you already own the low-returns market! [00:31]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest? [00:31]
benkay oh he's nice [00:31]
benkay that's good. a sign of competence, being nice. [00:32]
deadweasel Jere_Jones: it's free, in the logs [00:32]
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pankkake I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments [00:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+] [00:35]
kakobrekla regulation [00:35]
pankkake i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account [00:35]
pankkake but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however [00:36]
kakobrekla at least for a fraction of the problem [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2} [00:36]
mike_c general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted. [00:37]
kakobrekla hehe [00:37]
kakobrekla pankkake general public can use kickstarter :) [00:37]
kakobrekla same result, they get shit. [00:37]
pankkake indeed [00:37]
pankkake at least for the time being, as it's new [00:38]
davout pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested [00:38]
pankkake cool [00:38]
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Mats_cd03 weak [00:38]
mike_c half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :) [00:38]
kakobrekla anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world [00:39]
kakobrekla its just you are not in #fiat-assets [00:39]
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kakobrekla and are totally missing out. [00:39]
pankkake lol, no I know there are [00:39]
pankkake and very similar ones than in btc [00:39]
pankkake actually, I was scammed by my banker [00:39]
pankkake first investment ever [00:39]
pankkake NATIXIS [00:39]
pankkake I was a poor student too [00:40]
pankkake lost 90% of its value [00:40]
Asa9 w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP! [00:41]
Asa9 er kakobrekla [00:41]
Asa9 ty! [00:41]
kakobrekla you are very welcome [00:41]
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kakobrekla was it like in southpark "and its gone?" [00:42]
pankkake pretty much :/ [00:42]
Asa9 lol [00:42]
pankkake basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs [00:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2} [00:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+] [00:42]
pankkake they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs [00:43]
kakobrekla i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net. [00:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] [00:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] [00:44]
kakobrekla 23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz [00:44]
pankkake I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood [00:44]
pankkake made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student) [00:45]
pankkake should have done the same with the bitcoin… [00:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2} [00:45]
kakobrekla yea [00:45]
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Mats_cd03 .mpoe [00:49]
davout pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee [00:51]
pankkake beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart [00:53]
davout do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? [00:53]
pankkake maybe in gare du nord :p [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2} [00:58]
davout pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D [00:59]
ThickAsThieves [17:59] WTS 50k ActM shares [01:00]
ThickAsThieves [17:59] how much ThickAsThieves [01:00]
ThickAsThieves [17:59] I only take ATC [01:00]
pankkake but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet [01:00]
pankkake lol [01:00]
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pankkake haha "which one" [01:00]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis. [01:03]
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pankkake is there a reference I'm missing? [01:04]
BingoBoingo pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know. [01:04]
pankkake oh, I know none [01:05]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop [01:07]
pankkake well I'm not fighting [01:07]
pankkake so far always avoided it [01:08]
Mats_cd03 scrub [01:08]
mike_c i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap [01:08]
pankkake hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it [01:08]
pankkake what would be the point? [01:09]
Mats_cd03 Beating him up and getting away with it [01:10]
Mats_cd03 Also a good work out [01:10]
davout pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all [01:11]
pankkake certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up [01:11]
pankkake the actual scam runners why not [01:11]
BingoBoingo Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit? [01:11]
pankkake human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do [01:12]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ? [01:12]
Shakespeare cuz we have too many brains [01:12]
mircea_popescu I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame. [01:13]
pankkake why? [01:13]
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BingoBoingo Looks like there aren't too many Altcoins on standing between ATC and the moon. [01:13]
pankkake such spread [01:13]
KRS-One [01:13]
ozbot tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube [01:13]
mircea_popescu actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ? [01:13]
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pankkake I don't think I know that one [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] [01:14]
Shakespeare mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate." [01:14]
mircea_popescu [01:14]
ozbot Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb [01:14]
pankkake haha, looks awesome [01:15]
mircea_popescu do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes. [01:15]
mircea_popescu they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place [01:15]
mircea_popescu they just need to sort out the website for it [01:15]
KRS-One <+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy [01:16]
mircea_popescu lol Shakespeare [01:16]
davout mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination [01:17]
mircea_popescu indeed. [01:17]
mircea_popescu back when i was much younger i must confess [01:17]
mircea_popescu we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere [01:17]
Shakespeare Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple? [01:17]
mircea_popescu mocked all the doods and felt up all the chiks [01:17]
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mircea_popescu the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois [01:18]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success. [01:18]
mircea_popescu except we had a trunk full of heavy equipment [01:18]
mircea_popescu beat the shit out of the entire village youth [01:18]
mircea_popescu counted for a weekend trip [01:18]
pankkake Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM [01:18]
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mircea_popescu Jere_Jones i guess that's one way to look at it. [01:18]
benkay !b 9 [01:19]
assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( [01:19]
Jere_Jones The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout. [01:19]
mircea_popescu part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary. [01:19]
Shakespeare someone lied to me! [01:19]
pankkake or wikipedia lies [01:20]
Shakespeare Pretend I said Roy Orbison [01:20]
pankkake I liked the mistery though [01:21]
mircea_popescu why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator. [01:21]
Jere_Jones I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do". [01:21]
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mircea_popescu Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway. [01:21]
Shakespeare this site has nice CSS [01:22]
mircea_popescu for instance, the link to has been pasted by me here 3 times, and by others more times. [01:22]
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Jere_Jones *I* am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be. [01:22]
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mircea_popescu in it, you will find : "Much like “nobody knows how to make movies” was generally true in Hollywood, “nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses” is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into “so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike”. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn [01:22]
mircea_popescu ow all the ways movies can’t be made. That’s what they’ve been doing with their years and the investors’ money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they can’t in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that it’s very expensive) knowledge ain’t got a prayer." [01:22]
mircea_popescu now, had you read that before or is it your first time ? [01:22]
Jere_Jones It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth. [01:23]
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mircea_popescu ok but see ? that's the problem. [01:24]
mircea_popescu this is given culture, it's a shared foundation. [01:24]
mircea_popescu when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing. [01:24]
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Shakespeare [01:25]
mircea_popescu in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits [01:25]
ozbot Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube [01:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+] [01:26]
Jere_Jones I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning. [01:26]
mircea_popescu asking questions hurts nothing. [01:26]
Shakespeare these guys are nits [01:26]
Shakespeare nuts [01:26]
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Jere_Jones Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the site. [01:28]
mircea_popescu the former. [01:28]
davout Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc [01:28]
benkay the former [01:29]
benkay [01:29]
Jere_Jones Got it. [01:29]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare no, you had it right the 1st time. nits. [01:29]
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mircea_popescu half a nitwit. [01:29]
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jurov beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again? [01:30]
Jere_Jones Damn. Too bad I lost my key. [01:30]
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benkay 'tain't too late to spin up a new one. [01:31]
mircea_popescu jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath. [01:31]
Jere_Jones [01:31]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ [01:31]
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Jere_Jones ^ From my first bitcoin purchase [01:31]
ozbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data [01:32]
mircea_popescu jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that. [01:32]
mircea_popescu just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there. [01:32]
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mircea_popescu like say bitcoin. [01:32]
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jurov hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ? [01:34]
jurov should get my nightly glass of wine [01:34]
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mircea_popescu ya re-0read the whole thing lol [01:35]
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deadweasel holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan [01:37]
jurov still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk [01:37]
deadweasel pushing* [01:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] [01:37]
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mircea_popescu you ever been to a rural disco ? [01:38]
jurov ah now it clicked [01:39]
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mircea_popescu :) [01:39]
jurov one has just imagine being in their skin [01:39]
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davout tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu [01:40]
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davout but evil can be fun heh [01:40]
jurov why evil? they deserve it [01:41]
mircea_popescu davout no argument. [01:42]
BingoBoingo [01:42]
ozbot Utopia, Silk Road's Latest Replacement, Only Lasted Nine Days - Slashdot [01:42]
mircea_popescu im an evil motherfucker. [01:42]
davout if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation [01:42]
jurov BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized [01:42]
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davout but like i said that can be fun [01:43]
benkay grownup trolling. [01:43]
davout s/evil/weak/ [01:43]
BingoBoingo jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly. [01:43]
davout benkay: exactly [01:43]
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davout benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually [01:43]
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BingoBoingo Related to the Utopia bust [01:44]
benkay something like that [01:44]
BingoBoingo Moare hedge c0k [01:44]
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benkay man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass [01:44]
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mircea_popescu benkay you should just go to an orgy already. [01:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4300 @ 0.00015044 = 0.6469 BTC [-] {8} [01:46]
mircea_popescu eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring [01:46]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [01:47]
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benkay yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either [01:50]
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benkay but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest [01:51]
benkay surely you know the routine [01:51]
benkay chase? hunt. [01:51]
asciilifeform the solution to the 'idiot X pays Q btc for fistfight' is: pay idiot Y, R btc, to present himself for fistfight to idiot X, where R < Q. [01:52]
asciilifeform pocket the difference, and watch. [01:53]
BingoBoingo ^^ [01:53]
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jurov that's basically what i suggested to davout [01:53]
asciilifeform this is not deep science. [01:53]
jurov but seems he's too cultured to arrange that [01:54]
BingoBoingo There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread [01:54]
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asciilifeform fistcoin. [01:54]
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davout asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits [01:55]
davout jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it [01:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07318 = 0.3659 BTC [-] {3} [01:55]
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pankkake I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight [01:57]
pankkake I wouln't bet on me [01:57]
mircea_popescu benkay i dunno dood, i never chase. [01:58]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro. [01:58]
jurov they don't american football in fr [01:59]
davout we rugby baby [01:59]
pankkake we call them rugbymen [01:59]
jurov i stand corrected [02:00]
BingoBoingo jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg [02:00]
davout helmets are for faggots [02:00]
pankkake it's not the same [02:00]
pankkake exactly [02:00]
pankkake no protection [02:00]
davout on concrete [02:00]
pankkake :D [02:00]
davout only in winter [02:00]
BingoBoingo By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos [02:00]
jurov and theatrical injuries [02:00]
jurov and false rape claims [02:00]
jurov er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers [02:01]
davout funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars [02:01]
davout jurov: pilolz [02:02]
mircea_popescu jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ? [02:02]
jurov certainly. but nobody is allowed to know [02:02]
davout mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries [02:02]
pankkake is that why monaco is doing so well this year? [02:03]
pankkake I haven't followed the details [02:03]
davout pankkake: i don't really follow soccer [02:03]
mircea_popescu davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep [02:03]
davout mircea_popescu: explain the difference [02:04]
pankkake yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax: [02:04]
pankkake uh [02:04]
pankkake wrong [02:04]
pankkake well, it does, the URL is wrong [02:04]
mircea_popescu [02:04]
davout no the URL says "n'échappera pas" [02:04]
ozbot [Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake [02:04]
mircea_popescu "It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, " [02:04]
pankkake but the title say it escapes :) [02:04]
davout pankkake: oh wait [02:04]
pankkake confusing! [02:04]
davout pankkake: you're right [02:04]
mircea_popescu that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc [02:05]
pankkake so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1 [02:05]
davout funny you mention that, [02:05]
davout i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance [02:06]
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davout I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter [02:07]
BingoBoingo davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days [02:07]
deadweasel i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up. [02:08]
mircea_popescu impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures. [02:08]
davout "oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank" [02:08]
pankkake light greylisting removed most of my spam [02:08]
pankkake so only crappy botnets still spam :p [02:08]
davout BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too [02:08]
BingoBoingo davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now. [02:09]
davout that sounds like a sensible explanation [02:10]
mircea_popescu " Le ministre délégué au Budget" [02:10]
mircea_popescu check out the shit france has. [02:10]
BingoBoingo I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then. [02:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3} [02:11]
jurov BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets [02:11]
jurov that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool [02:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21} [02:13]
davout mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ? [02:13]
davout incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong [02:13]
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BingoBoingo jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing [02:13]
pankkake Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique [02:14]
pankkake decentralisation ! [02:14]
mircea_popescu davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ? [02:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20} [02:14]
davout mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement [02:14]
jurov Fleur Pellerin, [02:14]
jurov ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif, [02:14]
mircea_popescu fuck that, nue but denudement [02:14]
davout denuement means poverty [02:14]
mircea_popescu wtf is with this language. [02:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google fille nue [02:15]
gribble Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: ; Fille Nue - YouTube: ; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...: [02:15]
mircea_popescu yeah them bitches look poor [02:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2} [02:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-] [02:21]
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TestingUnoDosTre can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat? [02:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58} [02:22]
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asciilifeform [02:23]
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benkay death to the tyrant [02:28]
benkay cascadia now [02:28]
pankkake does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music? [02:29]
benkay there is no movement. [02:29]
benkay except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive. [02:30]
mircea_popescu lots of cooties infections ? [02:30]
benkay ? [02:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2} [02:31]
mircea_popescu the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections. [02:31]
mircea_popescu you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country. [02:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5} [02:32]
pankkake sex is probably too mainstream for them [02:32]
mircea_popescu there is that. [02:33]
mircea_popescu ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh. [02:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2} [02:33]
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pankkake dogecoin now number 4 [02:34]
benkay for clarity - there is no movement. [02:34]
punkman wink wink [02:34]
mircea_popescu after alt ?! [02:34]
mircea_popescu benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly. [02:35]
mircea_popescu pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs, [02:35]
mircea_popescu ripple total net worth is about -$400 [02:35]
pankkake last trade * total units. like mpoe :) [02:36]
benkay that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat" [02:36]
mircea_popescu mpoe actually stands for something. [02:36]
mircea_popescu benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol [02:36]
benkay repression of the people, iirc. [02:37]
benkay 'my feeelingsssss' [02:37]
mircea_popescu Sexcoin $ 539,512 [02:37]
mircea_popescu gimme a break. [02:37]
benkay well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage [02:37]
mircea_popescu LottoCoin $ 710,196 [02:37]
benkay that'd entail knowing what slippage *is* [02:37]
pankkake ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise [02:37]
mircea_popescu seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ? [02:37]
benkay good luck selling any. [02:38]
punkman oh CMC now has two pages of coins [02:38]
mircea_popescu Bitgem $ 246,833 [02:38]
mircea_popescu dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking [02:38]
mircea_popescu when you could just make a gem and buy a house [02:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [02:38]
Shakespeare so if ATC is .00000529 [02:38]
Shakespeare then we're almost at $1m [02:38]
mircea_popescu CraftCoin $ 56,614 [02:38]
Shakespeare for all the coins ever [02:38]
pankkake ;;calc 16763*512*.00000529 [02:39]
gribble 45.40225024 [02:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off. [02:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16} [02:39]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market. [02:39]
TestingUnoDosTre junkcoin $328,000 [02:39]
asciilifeform unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat' [02:40]
asciilifeform unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?) [02:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors" [02:40]
punkman if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced [02:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+] [02:40]
mircea_popescu fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat. [02:40]
mircea_popescu it's merely a transfer towards the issuer. [02:40]
asciilifeform quite the opposite [02:40]
mircea_popescu well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage [02:41]
TestingUnoDosTre wait what? [02:41]
Shakespeare "Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time." [02:41]
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Shakespeare thats what coinmarketcap wants [02:41]
Shakespeare as part of listing requirements [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-] [02:41]
mircea_popescu and basically you could put whatever in there [02:41]
asciilifeform benjamin costs >100 usd to make? [02:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform most bills are 20s [02:41]
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asciilifeform and they cost >20? [02:42]
pankkake they support openex? [02:42]
Shakespeare dunno [02:42]
Shakespeare i can try [02:42]
Shakespeare but need url [02:42]
mircea_popescu cause of all the security elements asciilifeform [02:42]
mircea_popescu the only way to keep people from counterfitting them [02:42]
pankkake I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange [02:42]
mircea_popescu is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value [02:42]
mircea_popescu and i do mean MAKE [02:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4} [02:42]
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pankkake number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins [02:42]
mircea_popescu pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily / [02:43]
asciilifeform last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK) [02:43]
TestingUnoDosTre Im not entirely convinved [02:43]
pankkake I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect [02:43]
pankkake well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool" [02:43]
mircea_popescu [02:43]
mircea_popescu nm, i eat cocks. [02:43]
pankkake !b 1 [02:43]
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asciilifeform i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it [02:44]
pankkake how anonymous is cash? [02:44]
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pankkake if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further? [02:45]
Shakespeare that's how USD gets value, cost to print it [02:45]
asciilifeform pankkake: if someone cares to. [02:45]
Shakespeare also USD is not inflationary [02:45]
punkman maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers [02:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] [02:45]
Shakespeare there is a fnite amount [02:45]
Shakespeare just dunno what yet [02:45]
Shakespeare still mining it [02:46]
benkay buuuuwaaaaaaat [02:46]
asciilifeform Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel. [02:46]
mircea_popescu [02:46]
mircea_popescu check out that title. [02:46]
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mircea_popescu "World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs" [02:46]
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TestingUnoDosTre TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill [02:47]
asciilifeform punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.' [02:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm. [02:48]
Shakespeare Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed [02:48]
mircea_popescu srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how. [02:48]
Shakespeare Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me [02:49]
Shakespeare all the rooms are full, end of story [02:49]
asciilifeform electric theft involves considerably less physical labour. [02:49]
asciilifeform (e.g. 'carding') [02:49]
asciilifeform when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it [02:50]
punkman for or all we know, we are awash in fakes [02:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip. [02:50]
benkay another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant [02:50]
mircea_popescu generally speaking you're best served by going the other way [02:50]
asciilifeform the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue. [02:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2} [02:50]
benkay "90% of your 20s are made in NK" [02:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank [02:51]
TestingUnoDosTre what is this carding you speak of? [02:51]
mircea_popescu there's really no difference [02:51]
asciilifeform 'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money [02:51]
Shakespeare pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that [02:52]
asciilifeform to those who can process them industrially. [02:52]
asciilifeform using tame banks. [02:52]
mircea_popescu so then there's exactly no difference. [02:52]
pankkake it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script [02:52]
mircea_popescu those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them [02:52]
mircea_popescu pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time [02:53]
pankkake so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily [02:53]
asciilifeform correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive. [02:53]
mircea_popescu nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility [02:53]
mircea_popescu adjust it once a month or w/e [02:53]
pankkake actually… does your hosting allow php or something? [02:53]
Shakespeare yes [02:53]
Shakespeare i have it on namecheap [02:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business. [02:54]
asciilifeform 'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it. [02:54]
pankkake ok, cool, writing now [02:54]
mircea_popescu how do banks profit from carding ? [02:54]
asciilifeform 'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants. [02:54]
asciilifeform they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee. [02:54]
mircea_popescu but that'd be visa and mastercard [02:55]
mircea_popescu wich aren't banks [02:55]
asciilifeform ah, yes. [02:55]
asciilifeform they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure. [02:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked... [02:56]
asciilifeform the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some. [02:56]
mircea_popescu small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line [02:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3} [02:56]
mircea_popescu large merchants are immune to chargebacks. [02:57]
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mircea_popescu (actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis [02:57]
mircea_popescu it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_ [02:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2} [02:58]
punkman the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions [02:58]
asciilifeform yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop. [02:58]
punkman not Visa/Mastercard [02:58]
mircea_popescu Visa processes, what are you talking about ? [02:58]
punkman Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale [02:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share [03:00]
asciilifeform fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.) [03:00]
punkman mircea_popescu: [03:00]
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asciilifeform instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.' [03:02]
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decimation I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only [03:03]
asciilifeform incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM. [03:04]
asciilifeform (i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.) [03:05]
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decimation Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA? [03:05]
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asciilifeform decimation: probably. but not economically. [03:06]
asciilifeform one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail [03:06]
decimation It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance [03:06]
asciilifeform these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves. [03:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+] [03:07]
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decimation No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him? [03:07]
asciilifeform i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $. [03:08]
asciilifeform then 'prove you're not a camel.' [03:08]
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pankkake banks sue people who explain how easy carding is [03:08]
asciilifeform so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it. [03:09]
asciilifeform (how?) [03:09]
pankkake "Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case." [03:10]
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asciilifeform these are a dime a dozen. [03:10]
asciilifeform like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts. [03:10]
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herbijudlestoids hullo kids [03:11]
asciilifeform (at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder) [03:11]
mircea_popescu punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. " [03:12]
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asciilifeform pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain. [03:12]
mircea_popescu seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining. [03:12]
punkman when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa [03:13]
mircea_popescu incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt. [03:13]
mircea_popescu o look, it's a herbijudlestoids [03:13]
asciilifeform btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter. [03:14]
decimation The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system [03:14]
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mircea_popescu decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state. [03:15]
herbijudlestoids i been sick as a fucken dog [03:15]
herbijudlestoids no work done this week :( [03:15]
herbijudlestoids on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC [03:15]
mircea_popescu we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer [03:15]
herbijudlestoids im riech biech [03:15]
asciilifeform prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close. [03:15]
decimation well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy [03:15]
mircea_popescu < why is this named [03:15]
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asciilifeform 'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer. [03:16]
decimation ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler [03:16]
asciilifeform and yet it is SOP now. [03:16]
asciilifeform most of the new cards have it. [03:16]
asciilifeform electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy. [03:17]
decimation There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin' [03:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ? [03:17]
asciilifeform something like that. [03:18]
asciilifeform 'circumvention device !1!!' [03:18]
mircea_popescu yeah, i see great future for the fiat system. [03:18]
decimation As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points" [03:19]
mircea_popescu confederate money still have some value. [03:19]
decimation it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats [03:20]
herbijudlestoids just going through the log [03:20]
herbijudlestoids isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512? [03:20]
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mircea_popescu yes it is. [03:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2} [03:21]
mike_c for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon. [03:21]
asciilifeform [03:21]
herbijudlestoids so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially? [03:22]
mircea_popescu decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases. [03:22]
mircea_popescu "good for one fuck" nudie party tokens. [03:22]
herbijudlestoids here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally....,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO [03:22]
mircea_popescu "good for one spin" casino chips [03:22]
mircea_popescu etc [03:22]
kakobrekla i think you can use blockr api for altcoin [03:23]
decimation sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity [03:23]
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mircea_popescu a, that. [03:24]
mircea_popescu pretty cool. [03:24]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at? [03:24]
mircea_popescu vwap [03:24]
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herbijudlestoids so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess [03:25]
decimation I have a small collection of Weimar Marks [03:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5} [03:25]
mircea_popescu funny how ? [03:26]
herbijudlestoids its got that huge gap [03:26]
herbijudlestoids also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on [03:26]
herbijudlestoids definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared [03:27]
decimation ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin [03:27]
asciilifeform "You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand [03:28]
asciilifeform -ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed." [03:28]
decimation indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note [03:28]
decimation it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle [03:29]
BingoBoingo I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem [03:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4} [03:30]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop [03:31]
asciilifeform "... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th [03:31]
asciilifeform en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l [03:31]
asciilifeform ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam." [03:31]
decimation it's the biggest scam going [03:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all. [03:34]
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decimation One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard? [03:34]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one [03:34]
asciilifeform i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1. [03:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems) [03:35]
asciilifeform for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it. [03:35]
mircea_popescu decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard. [03:35]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities. [03:36]
decimation I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far [03:37]
mircea_popescu nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right. [03:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes. [03:37]
mircea_popescu romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages [03:38]
mircea_popescu (for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth) [03:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ? [03:38]
decimation well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded [03:38]
asciilifeform "To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov) [03:38]
mircea_popescu decimation except it wouldn't be state funded. [03:39]
mircea_popescu it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all. [03:39]
decimation ok; that's even worse [03:39]
mircea_popescu well yes. [03:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck). [03:40]
decimation why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania? [03:40]
mircea_popescu it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase. [03:40]
mircea_popescu decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D [03:40]
decimation Indeed. [03:40]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit [03:41]
mircea_popescu because hey, it's a golden opportunity. [03:41]
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benkay plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol [03:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident. [03:41]
mircea_popescu plus that. [03:41]
asciilifeform i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose. [03:42]
decimation Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere? [03:42]
mircea_popescu decimation nope. [03:42]
mircea_popescu but you should write it, save me the trouble. [03:42]
decimation You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec [03:42]
BingoBoingo decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation [03:42]
BingoBoingo decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec. [03:43]
mircea_popescu decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team [03:43]
mircea_popescu and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers. [03:43]
decimation well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works [03:43]
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BingoBoingo AH, sorry eye lag, vodka [03:43]
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BingoBoingo decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all. [03:44]
BingoBoingo At least not as I understand problem and BTC code [03:44]
BingoBoingo As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago. [03:45]
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benkay decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol? [03:47]
BingoBoingo The problem is Derp php coders making website. [03:47]
benkay hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay? [03:47]
benkay it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang. [03:47]
BingoBoingo benkay: PHP is great for what it does well. [03:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6} [03:47]
decimation I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code [03:47]
benkay nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is) [03:48]
benkay besides [03:49]
pankkake Pee Hash Pee [03:49]
mircea_popescu derp. [03:50]
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decimation after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth [03:50]
mircea_popescu start small, do it in 3rd first. [03:51]
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benkay herp. [03:51]
decimation heh [03:51]
benkay lisp zeroth [03:51]
benkay decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays [03:51]
benkay [03:51]
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decimation I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: [03:52]
decimation I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth [03:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-] [03:52]
benkay baw haw haw javascript anything i cry [03:53]
decimation yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy [03:53]
decimation I saw that greenarrays stuff [03:54]
BingoBoingo An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in) [03:54]
decimation ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor [03:55]
mircea_popescu before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol. [03:55]
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decimation true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec [03:55]
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mircea_popescu decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools. [03:56]
BingoBoingo Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars [03:56]
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mircea_popescu a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background. [03:57]
pankkake I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la [03:57]
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Azelphur Python programmer as day job, can confirm. [03:57]
benkay if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars. [03:58]
mircea_popescu benkay by thinking people. [03:58]
benkay there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns [03:58]
benkay and then there's blockchain validation [03:59]
decimation these can and ought to be split into modules [03:59]
pankkake [03:59]
benkay indeed [03:59]
benkay (outta my face - where's the source?!?!) [04:00]
benkay in any event [04:00]
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benkay i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into [04:01]
benkay what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers [04:01]
mircea_popescu sounds about right. [04:01]
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benkay it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger [04:02]
benkay or it would be if anyone would write it [04:03]
BingoBoingo Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets [04:03]
mike_c it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great. [04:03]
decimation yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it. [04:04]
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mike_c what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it. [04:05]
mike_c take the blockchain validator for instance. [04:05]
benkay i'd rather take the network client actually [04:05]
benkay state: init [04:06]
benkay transition to state: exchange version messages [04:06]
mircea_popescu decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D [04:06]
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benkay transition to state: getblocks | state: getaddrs [04:07]
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mike_c yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner. [04:07]
BingoBoingo Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79 Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid [04:07]
mircea_popescu mike_c what'd be the alternative ? [04:07]
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mike_c it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better. [04:09]
mircea_popescu the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ? [04:10]
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mircea_popescu it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not. [04:11]
benkay ^^ [04:11]
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mike_c any program can be thought of that way. [04:12]
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mircea_popescu indeed. [04:12]
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decimation mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC [04:33]
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mircea_popescu2 da fuck i just been targetted [04:33]
mircea_popescu2 i ended up having to connect by ip because for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip [04:34]
herbijudlestoids ~60k to ~1k [04:35]
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mike_c yeah, me too. [04:38]
mike_c let's get some PEP's in here. [04:38]
herbijudlestoids decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint [04:38]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [04:53]
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mircea_popescu2 that was trippy [04:53]
* You are now known as mircea_popescu [04:53]
MisterE the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use [04:53]
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michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio [04:54]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio [04:54]
mircea_popescu MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ? [04:54]
MisterE :P [04:54]
MisterE nobody / arrogance [04:54]
mircea_popescu mkay. [04:54]
mike_c [04:55]
MisterE anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored [04:55]
ozbot Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:55]
benkay oh you decided on PEPs did you? [04:55]
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benkay ^^ mike_c [04:55]
mike_c 2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin [04:55]
mike_c benkay: yes. need the why more than the how. [04:55]
benkay mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal? [04:56]
mike_c yes [04:56]
asciilifeform ok what's this talk of state machines ? [04:56]
benkay no man bitcoin is in feature freeze [04:56]
mike_c feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :) [04:56]
benkay asciilifeform! [04:56]
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asciilifeform benkay: here i am [04:57]
benkay for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing [04:57]
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asciilifeform sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise. [04:58]
BingoBoingo Oh, davout's gone. [04:59]
mircea_popescu mike_c lol [04:59]
B007 I'm soooo hungry [04:59]
MisterE pizza! [04:59]
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mircea_popescu for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first [04:59]
asciilifeform 'rotary debugger.' [04:59]
mircea_popescu it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality [04:59]
mike_c my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale. [04:59]
B007 mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have [04:59]
B007 don't lie [05:00]
mircea_popescu B007 some. [05:00]
MisterE thats not polite [05:00]
MisterE how rich / poor are you? [05:00]
B007 poor [05:00]
B007 and you? [05:00]
Mats_cd03 jurov: beep [05:00]
mircea_popescu there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight. [05:00]
MisterE in debt :/ [05:00]
B007 yeah [05:01]
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B007 school? [05:01]
MisterE naah worse, health [05:01]
mike_c fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up. [05:01]
BingoBoingo MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao [05:01]
asciilifeform mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation. [05:01]
asciilifeform with no sharp edges. [05:01]
mircea_popescu ^ [05:01]
MisterE :p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends [05:01]
mircea_popescu we can have that novel written sometime in 2050 [05:02]
mike_c but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things. [05:02]
mircea_popescu << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D [05:02]
ozbot Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ... [05:02]
mike_c both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient. [05:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] [05:03]
mircea_popescu mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code. [05:03]
mike_c and less important while we are applying our limited resources. [05:03]
B007 [05:03]
B007 lol [05:03]
mike_c hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride. [05:04]
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BingoBoingo MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite. [05:04]
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MisterE :P it is still irc afterall [05:04]
MisterE too bad I missed out on the ponzi [05:05]
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B007 I hope no btc is in ur mom [05:05]
BingoBoingo MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way. [05:05]
MisterE if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d [05:05]
mike_c the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job. [05:05]
MisterE hmm good point [05:06]
B007 anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH [05:06]
MisterE I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency [05:07]
BingoBoingo B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture. [05:07]
MisterE they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but... [05:07]
asciilifeform MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable. [05:07]
MisterE yea I recon so [05:08]
B007 wtf is a laundry maker [05:08]
BingoBoingo B007: A sharpie in American terms. [05:08]
MisterE marker* [05:08]
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B007 oh a marker [05:09]
B007 lol [05:09]
MisterE :p [05:09]
BingoBoingo B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper [05:09]
B007 nah [05:09]
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BingoBoingo B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there. [05:10]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful. [05:10]
B007 or it will be morthles [05:11]
mike_c *something like [05:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-] [05:11]
B007 *worthless [05:11]
mircea_popescu mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever. [05:11]
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mircea_popescu basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised [05:11]
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BingoBoingo B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary. [05:11]
B007 mircea_popescu: where is my money [05:11]
mircea_popescu how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ? [05:11]
B007!*@* added to ignore list. [05:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+] [05:12]
mike_c yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation. [05:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other. [05:12]
mike_c ok, i've beaten this horse. [05:12]
asciilifeform the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation, [05:13]
mircea_popescu but of a definite one. [05:13]
mircea_popescu something natural language will never be. [05:13]
asciilifeform but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort. [05:13]
asciilifeform the way one understands a kalashnikov. [05:13]
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asciilifeform (what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.) [05:14]
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MisterE mike_c: at this point in time I agree [05:14]
asciilifeform 'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid. [05:15]
MisterE eventualy you have to ship [05:15]
asciilifeform and never as a substitute for mechanics. [05:15]
mike_c yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version. [05:15]
mircea_popescu no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase. [05:15]
mircea_popescu this is science, we're describing an actual real process. [05:15]
asciilifeform the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself. [05:16]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work [05:16]
mike_c you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots. [05:16]
mircea_popescu why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ? [05:17]
mike_c the fricking white paper came before the code [05:17]
mircea_popescu seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction. [05:17]
asciilifeform we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it. [05:17]
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asciilifeform and parts held together with tape. [05:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded. [05:17]
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mike_c asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top. [05:18]
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BingoBoingo I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links [05:18]
asciilifeform mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way. [05:18]
mircea_popescu why does it have to be an either anyway ? [05:19]
mircea_popescu you know the bridges joke ? [05:19]
mike_c it does not and should not. [05:19]
mike_c only the bridge builder one [05:19]
mircea_popescu yea that. [05:19]
mircea_popescu if they meet, you got your bridge [05:19]
mircea_popescu if they don't, i guess you get two [05:19]
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mike_c hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder [05:20]
asciilifeform birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm' [05:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot [05:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world [05:21]
mircea_popescu the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges. [05:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest. [05:22]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water. [05:24]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point. [05:24]
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mircea_popescu well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech [05:25]
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mircea_popescu [05:36]
ozbot It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri [05:36]
mircea_popescu for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING, [05:36]
mircea_popescu sequels are spelled seqeuls, [05:37]
mircea_popescu and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was. [05:37]
herbijudlestoids i read something about hemmingway today [05:37]
herbijudlestoids ... [05:37]
herbijudlestoids [05:38]
ozbot The CIA Helped Build the Content Farm That Churns Out American Literature | Motherboard [05:38]
BingoBoingo I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch [05:38]
herbijudlestoids not specifically him but yea [05:38]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel" [05:38]
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herbijudlestoids in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"? [05:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds [05:40]
mircea_popescu and the middle. [05:40]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids nah, idle. [05:40]
herbijudlestoids kk [05:40]
mike_c no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code. [05:40]
pankkake what about the Go implementation? [05:41]
mike_c who has nothing to do the rest of the year? [05:41]
BingoBoingo mike_c: How good are you at K&R C? [05:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c life. [05:41]
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herbijudlestoids i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree [05:42]
herbijudlestoids for if it was good we would not be having this discussion [05:42]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience. [05:43]
mircea_popescu it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever. [05:43]
mircea_popescu the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons. [05:43]
pankkake the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/ [05:43]
pankkake just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement [05:44]
herbijudlestoids and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable? [05:44]
herbijudlestoids from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code? [05:44]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess? [05:45]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly. [05:45]
herbijudlestoids s/chees/chess [05:45]
herbijudlestoids but i really enjoy playing [05:45]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text? [05:45]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose" [05:45]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose [05:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off [05:46]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers [05:47]
mircea_popescu SAFELY and etc. [05:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+] [05:47]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now [05:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld. [05:48]
BingoBoingo Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka [05:48]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color? [05:49]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: not this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner? [05:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin. [05:49]
pankkake herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes [05:50]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting. [05:50]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober. [05:51]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly want someone with more free time :) [05:51]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails? [05:52]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now. [05:52]
herbijudlestoids i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it [05:52]
BingoBoingo ;;coin [05:52]
gribble tails [05:52]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk? [05:52]
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mircea_popescu i guess you're not man enough for it. [05:53]
herbijudlestoids maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment. [05:53]
BingoBoingo Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/ [05:53]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids right. [05:54]
herbijudlestoids would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0? [05:54]
mircea_popescu it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes [05:54]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids how much ? [05:54]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying. [05:55]
herbijudlestoids i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer [05:55]
herbijudlestoids sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex [05:55]
herbijudlestoids not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully [05:55]
BingoBoingo ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks [05:55]
herbijudlestoids dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000 [05:56]
benkay mike_c: are you satisfied with the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the [05:56]
benkay computation itself. [05:56]
benkay ? [05:57]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded. [05:57]
herbijudlestoids ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price [05:57]
BingoBoingo benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly [05:57]
herbijudlestoids we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value [05:57]
benkay hell no [05:58]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system. [05:58]
mircea_popescu 56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small. [05:58]
benkay BingoBoingo ^^ [05:58]
mike_c benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :) [05:58]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds [05:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-] [05:58]
herbijudlestoids since you guys all love the fucken WoT [05:58]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin? [05:59]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that. [05:59]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating? [05:59]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin [05:59]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE? [06:00]
BingoBoingo Any S.NSA or S.BBET? [06:00]
mircea_popescu he has some mpoe graphs... [06:00]
herbijudlestoids so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT [06:00]
KRS-One haha [06:01]
herbijudlestoids i couldve just taken a no :) [06:01]
mike_c s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal. [06:01]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate. [06:01]
mircea_popescu you'll need moar. [06:01]
mircea_popescu $vwap s.nsa [06:01]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282 [06:01]
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BingoBoingo After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao. [06:01]
mircea_popescu ahaha 645 srsly ?! [06:02]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC [06:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening [06:02]
moiety hihi :) [06:03]
KRS-One of course becase there isnt any demand or volume [06:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though [06:03]
KRS-One I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it [06:03]
mircea_popescu i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi... [06:03]
coingenuity sup mircea_popescu [06:03]
mike_c 10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi [06:03]
mircea_popescu coingenuity same old. [06:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers. [06:04]
coingenuity i feel ya [06:04]
mircea_popescu i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then [06:04]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait [06:04]
BingoBoingo coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?> [06:04]
mike_c herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot. [06:04]
mircea_popescu what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ? [06:04]
moiety i are having stupid question moment. halps? [06:04]
benkay mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing. [06:05]
coingenuity BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get [06:05]
mircea_popescu moiety shoot [06:05]
mircea_popescu benkay totally nobody;s using it. [06:05]
moiety you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious) [06:05]
benkay moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window? [06:06]
herbijudlestoids moiety: win or lin? [06:06]
BingoBoingo moiety: Windows? [06:06]
mircea_popescu yes you may. [06:06]
moiety omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day [06:06]
mircea_popescu terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?! [06:06]
BingoBoingo moiety: I thought you moved past Windows. [06:06]
moiety thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning [06:06]
mircea_popescu moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window [06:06]
moiety no, never got to linuxing [06:06]
mircea_popescu even windows isn't apple. [06:06]
moiety i only just found ctrl alt shift! [06:07]
herbijudlestoids moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter [06:07]
mircea_popescu ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then. [06:07]
BingoBoingo moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client [06:07]
mike_c benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation. [06:07]
asciilifeform probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string) [06:07]
moiety i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet [06:08]
moiety and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that. [06:08]
BingoBoingo moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo [06:08]
herbijudlestoids people still use bitchx? [06:08]
moiety check me oot with ma two wee cmds! [06:08]
moiety well, i had been wondering about bsd [06:09]
mircea_popescu what was the cmd bomb for windows ? [06:09]
herbijudlestoids cmd bomb? [06:09]
asciilifeform he probably meant fork bomb [06:09]
coingenuity mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them [06:09]
mircea_popescu yeah [06:09]
asciilifeform [06:10]
moiety c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu [06:10]
asciilifeform etc [06:10]
BingoBoingo moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable. [06:10]
mircea_popescu ty [06:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You ever play chess? [06:10]
asciilifeform on occasion. [06:10]
asciilifeform i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go. [06:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation? [06:10]
asciilifeform certainly. [06:11]
moiety has anyone tried chess 2? [06:11]
BingoBoingo I could use a loss [06:11]
moiety play me then BingoBoingo [06:11]
asciilifeform can't guarantee a loss [06:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand? [06:11]
asciilifeform i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep. [06:12]
BingoBoingo moiety: Heads or tails? [06:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Works for me. [06:12]
mircea_popescu tails. [06:12]
BingoBoingo ;;coin [06:12]
gribble tails [06:12]
pankkake WHAT [06:12]
* mircea_popescu o/s gribble [06:12]
mircea_popescu pankkake scam [06:13]
moiety hahaha i love gribble more every day [06:13]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Troll the imposter coin. [06:13]
moiety i really can't play very well BingoBoingo [06:13]
asciilifeform pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway [06:13]
asciilifeform no crapartist seems to resist those [06:13]
BingoBoingo moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk. [06:13]
herbijudlestoids i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is [06:14]
mircea_popescu cause gold is valuable. [06:14]
moiety you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win! [06:14]
moiety unless its on a crackhead [06:14]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids welcome to the club. [06:14]
mircea_popescu i've not understood it a year and a half later. [06:14]
herbijudlestoids its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin [06:14]
herbijudlestoids gg [06:14]
pankkake it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP [06:14]
BingoBoingo moiety: White or black [06:15]
herbijudlestoids pankkake: yea exactly. [06:15]
mircea_popescu "Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose." [06:15]
moiety either you choose [06:15]
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mircea_popescu derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ? [06:15]
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BingoBoingo moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black) [06:15]
pankkake I remember when deepbit was the big bad [06:15]
asciilifeform the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. [06:15]
asciilifeform i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies [06:15]
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asciilifeform or their phriends [06:15]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that [06:15]
herbijudlestoids they feel that ASICS are "unfair" [06:16]
herbijudlestoids and that anyone should be able to mine some coins [06:16]
mircea_popescu the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly. [06:16]
asciilifeform that's precisely the thing. warm body rights. [06:16]
BingoBoingo phriends, are people still making blue boxes? [06:16]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore [06:16]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles. [06:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they would if they could. [06:16]
asciilifeform not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far [06:17]
herbijudlestoids i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz [06:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable. [06:17]
moiety i'll be white bingo :) [06:17]
BingoBoingo moiety: K, it is your move. [06:17]
asciilifeform "Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine [06:17]
mircea_popescu | 33554432 | 4 GB | 22864142697 | Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT | | [06:18]
mircea_popescu ahahaha EPIC shit. [06:18]
BingoBoingo "The Gods Must be Crazy" [06:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2} [06:18]
mircea_popescu check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694 [06:18]
herbijudlestoids glegh [06:18]
pankkake if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you [06:19]
moiety i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see [06:19]
asciilifeform eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away. [06:19]
herbijudlestoids moiety: [06:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there. [06:20]
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moiety aw yiss, thank you herbi :D [06:21]
mircea_popescu pankkake [06:22]
mircea_popescu "Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum." [06:22]
mircea_popescu clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles. [06:23]
pankkake fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config" [06:23]
asciilifeform still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'. [06:23]
pankkake basically, properly configured seed nodes [06:23]
asciilifeform i mean, if we're going to collide names... [06:23]
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pankkake altcoins expectations are low [06:23]
mircea_popescu [06:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin [06:23]
asciilifeform beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker [06:24]
mircea_popescu . Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. [06:24]
asciilifeform 'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!' [06:24]
mircea_popescu The Turd Bitcoin [06:24]
mircea_popescu (accidental typo) [06:24]
mircea_popescu Dev, correct start page, [06:25]
mircea_popescu 4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36 [06:25]
mircea_popescu 2^36 = 68,719,476,736 [06:25]
mircea_popescu So could you specify again, how many coins total ? [06:25]
mircea_popescu Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296. [06:25]
mircea_popescu this shit's pretty good [06:25]
mircea_popescu the little error is well... some billions. [06:25]
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asciilifeform that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy. [06:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume [06:26]
asciilifeform (vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...) [06:26]
mircea_popescu too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid [06:26]
herbijudlestoids i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud [06:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins [06:27]
moiety BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please [06:27]
BingoBoingo K, d7-d6 [06:27]
herbijudlestoids what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead [06:27]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work. [06:27]
BingoBoingo freenet? maori like failnet. [06:27]
mircea_popescu link some examples of trollage to shit will you [06:28]
moiety BingoBoingo: b2 to b3 [06:28]
BingoBoingo Cause Whales of fail. [06:28]
BingoBoingo Nf6 [06:28]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit' [06:28]
pankkake did bitcloud produce any code? [06:28]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz [06:28]
asciilifeform asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked. [06:28]
asciilifeform (i.e. serious mathematical advance) [06:29]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that [06:29]
mircea_popescu i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto. [06:29]
herbijudlestoids s/ASCI/ASIC [06:29]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran [06:29]
mircea_popescu learn to keep logs they be important [06:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'! [06:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process" [06:30]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet. [06:30]
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mircea_popescu epic. [06:30]
pankkake java :( [06:30]
pankkake actually, it's mostly usuability issues [06:31]
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BingoBoingo Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids [06:31]
pankkake 0530 pankkake> java :( [06:31]
pankkake 0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues [06:31]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: sure :) [06:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+] [06:31]
herbijudlestoids pankkake: and when was the last time you used it? [06:31]
pankkake 2 years ago I think [06:31]
herbijudlestoids lel [06:31]
pankkake I really like the darknet/opennet approach [06:31]
moiety BingoBoingo: c2 - c3 [06:32]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ? [06:32]
herbijudlestoids try it out then, lots of recent improvements [06:32]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese. [06:32]
mircea_popescu holy shit then there's no trolling there [06:32]
mircea_popescu everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous [06:32]
herbijudlestoids well, except Javier the douchenozzle [06:32]
herbijudlestoids i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll [06:33]
herbijudlestoids troll him all day [06:33]
BingoBoingo moiety: g6 [06:33]
herbijudlestoids then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life [06:33]
pankkake herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me! [06:33]
mircea_popescu trolling idiots is meaningful now ? [06:33]
mircea_popescu why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ? [06:33]
herbijudlestoids nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom [06:34]
herbijudlestoids if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise [06:35]
pankkake but how much time does that cost you? [06:35]
mircea_popescu so ddosing idiots now. [06:35]
asciilifeform '...but the pig will enjoy it.' [06:35]
herbijudlestoids not all the idiots [06:35]
herbijudlestoids just the ones that really get my grill [06:35]
herbijudlestoids anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do [06:36]
herbijudlestoids he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P [06:36]
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herbijudlestoids although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him [06:36]
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pankkake I'm tired of all the nonprojects [06:37]
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pankkake since diaspora [06:37]
nubbins` have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops? [06:37]
pankkake don't think so [06:37]
BingoBoingo diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better [06:37]
mircea_popescu yeah eyah you did [06:37]
herbijudlestoids pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential [06:37]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh [06:37]
nubbins` she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed [06:38]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes. [06:38]
moiety bingoboingo: wut [06:38]
mircea_popescu diaspora meets any. [06:38]
BingoBoingo moiety: I moved pawn g6 [06:38]
nubbins` ^ heh, a challenger approaches! [06:39]
BingoBoingo Cause I'm fly like a g6 [06:39]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc [06:39]
mircea_popescu sounds sensible. [06:40]
BingoBoingo They nevar did that to me. [06:40]
BingoBoingo Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb [06:40]
herbijudlestoids pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p! [06:40]
herbijudlestoids im grateful for that [06:41]
BingoBoingo Tor has nothing on turtle routing [06:41]
pankkake when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions [06:41]
BingoBoingo lol [06:42]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG [06:42]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum [06:42]
pankkake is the turtle on elephants? [06:42]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading [06:43]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :) [06:43]
BingoBoingo pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran [06:43]
herbijudlestoids and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober [06:43]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6 [06:44]
herbijudlestoids anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves [06:44]
moiety just carry on [06:44]
herbijudlestoids this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired [06:45]
BingoBoingo moiety: Your move [06:45]
moiety it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame [06:45]
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BingoBoingo moiety: He's sleeping too [06:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed. [06:45]
herbijudlestoids moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :) [06:45]
BingoBoingo ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth [06:45]
moiety f2-f3 [06:46]
moiety aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol [06:46]
BingoBoingo Bg7 [06:46]
BingoBoingo Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix [06:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00086848 = 31.0916 BTC [-] {3} [06:47]
moiety h3-h4 [06:48]
BingoBoingo 0-0 [06:48]
moiety i have no idea what the board looks like [06:48]
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BingoBoingo moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing [06:49]
nubbins` ha [06:49]
moiety what even is 0? [06:49]
moiety m using herbis picture in paint [06:49]
moiety and a chess site [06:49]
moiety for what the pieces are and where they begin [06:49]
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moiety ive never played without a board, im sorry [06:50]
nubbins` [06:50]
nubbins` ^ svg board and pieces [06:50]
nubbins` open w/ inkscape [06:50]
herbijudlestoids lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;) [06:51]
moiety oh lol thanks herbi [06:51]
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moiety i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow [06:51]
moiety i have that effect a lot [06:52]
BingoBoingo moiety: Try putting the moves in [06:52]
BingoBoingo 0-0 is castle kingside [06:53]
BingoBoingo 1. h3 d6 [06:54]
moiety it puts in your moves too though [06:54]
moiety like guesses [06:54]
moiety i'll stick to drawing it out [06:54]
BingoBoingo 2. b3 Nf6 [06:54]
mircea_popescu 0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies [06:54]
BingoBoingo 3. c3 g6 [06:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087086 = 8.7957 BTC [+] [06:54]
moiety b3-b4 please! [06:55]
BingoBoingo c5 [06:55]
mircea_popescu Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs [06:55]
mircea_popescu fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life. [06:56]
moiety bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner [06:56]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it [06:57]
moiety oh fck sorry [06:57]
BingoBoingo moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in [06:58]
BingoBoingo And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam. [06:58]
pankkake pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that [06:59]
BingoBoingo 4. f3 Bg7 [06:59]
BingoBoingo 5. h4 0-0 [06:59]
BingoBoingo 6. b4 c5 [07:01]
BingoBoingo I think we are caught up to the current state of the game, moiety does this look right? [07:02]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Maybe paleo is wrong? [07:02]
moiety be3 [07:03]
moiety fuck knows [07:03]
BingoBoingo moiety: I dunno how one of your bishops get to e3 [07:03]
moiety ok [07:04]
moiety retract [07:04]
BingoBoingo Bc1-e3 right now seems blocked by your pawn at d3 [07:04]
BingoBoingo *d2 [07:04]
moiety i told you you should play with herbi [07:04]
BingoBoingo pawn at d2 blocks [07:04]
BingoBoingo moiety: Last time I played an aussie it was Vexual. That game was not pretty. [07:05]
moiety are they really good or really bad you mean? [07:05]
bloctoc has etheream been discussed in here yet? [07:05]
bloctoc ethereum [07:06]
BingoBoingo bloctoc: If by discussed you mean laughed at [07:06]
moiety i love chess and i would like to get better, i just didn't realise you meant playing so manually, it's above my station [07:06]
jcpham isn't that what they were growing on the ice planet hoth? [07:06]
BingoBoingo moiety: Well, get caught up on a board or board like website. [07:06]
moiety a2-a3 [07:07]
BingoBoingo moiety: But yes, basically the is playing off of the minimum necessary information. [07:07]
bitcoinpete I must've heard the high praises of ethereum 45 times tonight. [07:07]
bitcoinpete Surpassed only by smart contracts [07:07]
jcpham fuck chess checkers is for real sophisticates [07:07]
bitcoinpete Oh, and howdy [07:07]
BingoBoingo cxb4 [07:07]
moiety im determined, that counts right? [07:08]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: How many dicks could a dickchuck suck if a dickchuck could suck dick? [07:08]
BingoBoingo moiety: Sure [07:08]
bloctoc bitcoinpete where was that? [07:08]
moiety lolololol @ twister [07:09]
jcpham mircea_popescu this channel has AIDS or something [07:09]
bitcoinpete at our meet-up, or "meet-up", [07:09]
bitcoinpete at our meet-up, or "meet-up", [07:09]
jcpham next they'll be planning meet ups [07:09]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Meet up in which region? [07:10]
herbijudlestoids bloctoc: [07:10]
BingoBoingo Springfield Missouri with Active Miner Ken? [07:10]
moiety nd3 [07:10]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: Thankfully not. In Canada. [07:10]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Then smoke a bowl with nubbins' and relax [07:11]
BingoBoingo moiety: Knights dun move that diretion... [07:11]
moiety you are such a good hostess after a few vodkas [07:11]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: My skepticism was confusing to most of them [07:11]
moiety i thought they went L, is that bishops [07:12]
BingoBoingo moiety: They do move in an L, but only that one size of L. [07:12]
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moiety ive been taught it wrong then. i have been trying to move c1 to d3. [07:13]
BingoBoingo The L moiety is defined such that your knight at b1 could move to a3, c3, or d2 [07:13]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: Though I was able to show one that the vagaries of language are to contracts what kraft is to dinner [07:14]
BingoBoingo moiety: The piece you should have on c1 is a Bishop [07:14]
herbijudlestoids i feel like this is the best chess game ever [07:14]
moiety aw fuck i see whati got wrong [07:14]
moiety lol herbi! [07:14]
herbijudlestoids seriously [07:14]
moiety you're watching me learn here [07:14]
BingoBoingo I'm only getting drunker [07:14]
bitcoinpete I quite like that there's a chess game going on. Haven't noticed one before when reading the logs [07:14]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: They happen sporadically [07:15]
moiety as long as you aren't getting more annoyed thats fine [07:15]
BingoBoingo moiety: As long as you don't press for speed chess like truffles I'm fine [07:15]
bitcoinpete This is a truly fascinating corner of the net [07:15]
herbijudlestoids moiety: whats that saying..."never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" ...i feel like if anyone reasonably tried to match BingoBoingo they would lose...but you are winning at lulz here [07:16]
moiety lolol moiety and speed chess in the same sentence [07:16]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: It is indeed [07:16]
moiety well thats a win in my book herbi! :D [07:16]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I lose all of the time in chess [07:16]
moiety not today! [07:16]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here [07:16]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here [07:16]
herbijudlestoids bitcoinpete: do you know that your client is repeating lines? [07:17]
BingoBoingo Sweet Bitcoinpete, nice to see someone does the reading [07:17]
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moiety g1-h4 [07:17]
BingoBoingo ?g1-h3???? [07:17]
moiety i'm saving for trilema, i haven't wanted a subscription before [07:17]
moiety ok ok hang on! [07:18]
BingoBoingo Those L's only come in one size [07:18]
bitcoinpete herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac? [07:18]
bitcoinpete herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac? [07:18]
moiety oh yeah i meant 3 not 4 [07:18]
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herbijudlestoids bitcoinpete: what are you using? [07:18]
moiety i'mbad for hopping extra, sorry [07:18]
BingoBoingo bxc3 [07:18]
herbijudlestoids i would always recommend irssi, but its personal preference [07:18]
bitcoinpete herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free [07:18]
bitcoinpete herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free [07:18]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Maybe try a different client? [07:19]
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herbijudlestoids bitcoinpete: try this one ...or xchat is pretty standard gui [07:19]
BingoBoingo Xchat is nice [07:19]
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MisterE so they begrudgingly passed a debt ceiling bill [07:20]
moiety c3 - b4? [07:20]
bitcoinpete herbijudlestoids: much obliged [07:20]
BingoBoingo moiety: b4 took c3 [07:20]
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MisterE chess? [07:20]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: lol debt ceiling is a joke, right? considering QE to the tune of 80bn/month atm? [07:20]
moiety huh, i have a space [07:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00087099 = 21.9925 BTC [+] {2} [07:21]
MisterE herbijudlestoids: yea they could get their shit together and not need to raise it [07:21]
MisterE plenty of cash flowing in [07:21]
herbijudlestoids lel no they couldnt [07:21]
MisterE cur foreign aid and military [07:21]
herbijudlestoids budget deficit is > trade deficit [07:22]
herbijudlestoids ergo, QE [07:22]
moiety a3-a4 [07:22]
moiety damnit i thought i stole a manny there [07:22]
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herbijudlestoids MisterE: the debt is too large to be reasonably be paid back. it will be defaulted on or inflated away (stealth default) or similar. [07:23]
herbijudlestoids there is no hiding from the mathematics of that fact [07:23]
BingoBoingo cxd2+ [07:23]
MisterE what they couldn't do is make the cuts they should / need to make because it would put a bunch of peopl eout of work [07:23]
MisterE yea thats why they started letting the dollar weaken [07:23]
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moiety i'm back to smuxi, but i would really like to get BitchX going, i just couldn't get it to work [07:24]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: you do realise that foreign aid in toto, including military stuff, is 1% of the US budget? [07:24]
herbijudlestoids moiety: irssi > bitchx imo :) [07:24]
BingoBoingo moiety: Try Xchat with the SASL plugin [07:24]
MisterE that may be direct foregn cash aid but I doubt that covers military [07:24]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Also cxd2+ [07:25]
moiety ive got xchat. whinges at me all the time and smuix is cuter. will look up irssi herbi! [07:25]
moiety ah thanks! [07:25]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: ....2011 total military and economic assitance 50bn [07:25]
MisterE well if it is really that small then start whacking away at the defense and DHS / surveillance state budgets [07:25]
moiety oi no thanks, you took my dude there didnt you [07:25]
MisterE no way, they send just that much to Israel alone every year [07:25]
BingoBoingo moiety: Of course [07:25]
MisterE let alone Egypt, etc. [07:25]
moiety i'm telling mircea on you [07:26]
mircea_popescu bloctoc it doesn't seem to be popular. why do you ask ? [07:26]
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herbijudlestoids MisterE: you are mistaken. [07:26]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: $3bn/annum to israel [07:26]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete do i know you from twittr ? [07:26]
BingoBoingo moiety: I'd be more worried if you told kakobrekla [07:26]
MisterE hmm I wonder how much $3bn could do for schools [07:27]
moiety why? [07:27]
BingoBoingo moiety: Because kakobrekla runs assbot [07:27]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: a lot probably. $3bn is huge in meatspace. dunno if you heard about this (just 15mn) [07:27]
MisterE but thats a lot lower than I expected where are you getting numbers from? [07:27]
bitcoinpete member:mircea_popescu: If you remember me, I'd be flattered :D [07:27]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: where are *you* getting *your* numbers from? [07:27]
moiety i haven't really noticed assbot, i saw an ozbot.. and i like gribble a lot! [07:28]
MisterE I haven't been putting any out heh [07:28]
herbijudlestoids you said the US sends $50bn a year to israel. [07:28]
bloctoc just trying to find out if it's the real deal. I like the fact that certain operations get more hard coded over time and high use. It sounds a lot like how neural pathways get created. Other than that, it's pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year. [07:28]
moiety bf4 [07:28]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: I kept the same screen name with exactly that in mind [07:29]
moiety scrap that i dont know where my own men are [07:29]
BingoBoingo moiety: I'll post a pic [07:29]
mircea_popescu why's bitcoinpete saying things twice why's bitcoinpete saying things twice [07:30]
moiety f1-b5 im sure i can have [07:30]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: its not that im disagreeing with you on certain issues, but its impotant to have the correct information. [07:30]
MisterE Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance. OK thats less than I thought [07:30]
MisterE yea [07:30]
herbijudlestoids for example, because you have incorrect information, you believe the US can fix its problem, whereas i feel the monetary issue in the US has reached escape velocity [07:30]
BingoBoingo moiety: look at first [07:31]
herbijudlestoids we now await the return to atmo [07:31]
MisterE well given the current mindset I agree [07:31]
Mats_cd03 bitcoinpete: irccloud is great [07:31]
MisterE but we can all tighten our belts and balance our checkbooks if there is a real desire [07:31]
BingoBoingo moiety: You are in check so addressing that is priority 1 [07:31]
MisterE Americans are too spoiled so will let it all go to hell instead [07:31]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: *we* have nothing to do with it, when the US Federal Reserve is QEing to the tune of 80bn/month [07:32]
herbijudlestoids they are printing cash to meet obligations and dumping it on your front lawn. [07:32]
mircea_popescu [07:32]
ozbot Exclusive: EU executive sees personal savings used to plug long-term financing gap [07:32]
mircea_popescu eu wants to steal pensions too! [07:32]
MisterE oh that's just the latest face of their printing presses running at full speed [07:32]
MisterE before QE it was direct cash injections into banks [07:32]
MisterE etc. [07:32]
herbijudlestoids ... [07:32]
bitcoinpete Mats_cd03: merci [07:32]
herbijudlestoids the point is that if everyone tightened their belt it has no relevance if on the other side of the field they are spewing tickets. [07:33]
herbijudlestoids make sense or not? [07:33]
herbijudlestoids austerity will not solve this problem [07:33]
mircea_popescu " pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year." and therein you have your answer. [07:33]
mircea_popescu same useless pile of crap, same troop of vultures, same spiel. [07:33]
MisterE yea it probaby has to go to hell for anything to ever be done about the fed [07:33]
herbijudlestoids just like putting a freeze on banker salaries does not stop certain banks from being giant black holes for capital [07:33]
BingoBoingo moiety: Study the board. You are down three pawns. I'm going to the garage to smoke a cigarette. Use these 5-7 minutes to come up with a plan. [07:33]
MisterE *sigh* humans suck [07:34]
mircea_popescu except this time they had the sense to stick to altspace and so i couldn't care less [07:34]
KRS-One i resemble that remark [07:34]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: hell or not i dunno...we are just talking about the obligations of the US Government otherwise called a dollar. [07:34]
moiety aww fuck man thats pretty different from mine [07:34]
moiety [07:34]
MisterE which is not worth the paper it's printed on [07:35]
MisterE backed up by a stack of IOUs [07:35]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids austerity would in fact have solved the problem, back in FY 2009-2010, while creating ohter problems. [07:35]
mircea_popescu meanwhile i agree, it's escaped. [07:35]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: those two statements have *always* been true, at least since 1970s [07:35]
MisterE actually dollars are rags not paper [07:35]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: yes sure. [07:35]
MisterE yea true [07:35]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i dont disagree that GFC was a chance to rebalance [07:35]
MisterE there was a chance in the late 00s [07:35]
moiety well bloody b1 - d2 for a start bingo lol [07:35]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids just, there wasn't who to go on tv and say "you can either all starve and your kids can have a country to live in or else we continue derping around and we might as well just go buy the rope now. so i've chosen for you to starve, stfu and eat it with the big spoon" [07:36]
moiety aw herbi, hes got tons o my bits [07:36]
herbijudlestoids my feeling is that we will just continue to repeat the current boom/bust cycle until one of the cycles kills the dollar as a global reserve asset and the euro takes over [07:37]
MisterE mircea_popescu: American's can't handle that [07:37]
BingoBoingo moiety: I'm still smoking. CHeck the moves so far on this board [07:37]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids not one of. this is it. [07:37]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: highly likely. [07:37]
mircea_popescu MisterE their problem, cause nobody's askin what you can handle. [07:37]
MisterE they will be in the street with their guns, serious civil unrest [07:37]
MisterE they are spoiled [07:37]
mircea_popescu perfect. [07:37]
herbijudlestoids i dont want to make predictions in this discussion, leave it to you [07:37]
mircea_popescu ty ty. [07:38]
MisterE thats why I left 8-years ago and now live in Asia [07:38]
herbijudlestoids just trying to put my 2c out there [07:38]
herbijudlestoids 2satoshis even [07:38]
MisterE heh [07:38]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i was gonna say, you dun got 2 bitcents :D [07:38]
herbijudlestoids butthole, i do, i got just over 2 [07:39]
herbijudlestoids i got 0.02BTC [07:39]
* herbijudlestoids proud [07:39]
* herbijudlestoids checks to make sure they are still there [07:39]
MisterE I tried to buy $100 of BTC at $5 and the site was all funky I could not figure how to get my money transfered in and so I let it go [07:39]
mircea_popescu o hey wd! [07:40]
MisterE like 2-years ago [07:40]
mircea_popescu btc was 30 2 years ago [07:40]
MisterE well, whenever it was 5 [07:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: BTC was 30 three years ago, but not 2 [07:40]
mircea_popescu fuck me no it wasn't [07:40]
MisterE ^ sounds more right [07:40]
mircea_popescu whoa how quickly we forget. [07:40]
MisterE err less wrong [07:41]
MisterE not us losers :p [07:41]
MisterE we dont forget [07:41]
mircea_popescu no, you're right, it was about 5 two years ago [07:41]
BingoBoingo BTC first hit $31 on the Adrian CHen Silk Road Story. [07:41]
BingoBoingo And two years ago was $5-11 because GLBSE scam and BTCST scam [07:41]
BingoBoingo Most of summer 2012 BTC was around 11 until the Pirate default. [07:42]
BingoBoingo Then it went down to $4 [07:42]
bitcoinpete MisterE: At least you finally bought in. I get a kick out of people who were similarly unwilling to get past the exchange rigamarole and now say it's too expensive. [07:43]
MisterE pfft the upside is still exponential [07:43]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: DO you know Paul Graham. [07:44]
MisterE plus I been buying the dips [07:44]
jcpham where can i get bitcoins? [07:44]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: nope [07:44]
jcpham do i mine them? [07:44]
bitcoinpete Ha [07:44]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Shame, know any other VC's? [07:44]
MisterE If you live in a big city [07:44]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: Not really, never needed to [07:45]
jcpham i trolling this chat is retarded to me [07:45]
jcpham i love hearing history lessons fromstrangers [07:45]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: If you find any I have a standing offer on my blog selling bullshit filering services. [07:45]
jcpham basically i hang out in these channels to scoop up your free info [07:46]
MisterE invoice is in the mail jcpham [07:46]
BingoBoingo lol jcpham that's how I finally made /. [07:46]
herbijudlestoids jcpham: nobody minds, better you get it here than elsewhere. if it was secret the chan'd be +k and half wouldnt bein here [07:46]
jcpham i'm just jaded [07:47]
MisterE actually expanding the community benefits us all [07:47]
mircea_popescu jcpham just a little trouble coping is all >D [07:47]
herbijudlestoids i have never met anyone as jaded as the likes of mircea_popescu or BingoBoingo lol [07:47]
mircea_popescu how am i jaded! [07:47]
MisterE jaded how? [07:47]
herbijudlestoids dude you are post jaded [07:47]
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BingoBoingo I wonder that as well. [07:47]
MisterE lol [07:47]
mircea_popescu MisterE now do it in a pesci voice [07:48]
MisterE post-jaded [07:48]
BingoBoingo I am constantly in a state of wonder [07:48]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids what's you mean by jaded ? [07:48]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: haha k [07:48]
jcpham no fucks were given that day mircea_popescu [07:48]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: people who have seen enough to be unimpressed [07:48]
jcpham except every day [07:48]
mircea_popescu o that. i guess i'm jaded then. [07:48]
jcpham i've seen every bitcoin scam and they just repeat [07:49]
herbijudlestoids how do i call urban dictionary? [07:49]
herbijudlestoids ;;urban jaded [07:49]
gribble Error: "urban" is not a valid command. [07:49]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: As I can tell the difference is MP has been shot where as I have merely had a shotgun pointed inches from my face [07:49]
BingoBoingo ;;ud jaded [07:49]
gribble | jaded. The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their ... [07:49]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: jaded [07:49]
mircea_popescu that'd be a little different :) [07:49]
BingoBoingo .bait [07:49]
ozbot [07:49]
herbijudlestoids hmm. i was hoping for a different definition [07:49]
herbijudlestoids hey yo i got a question about the baits! [07:49]
herbijudlestoids forgot, thhought of it last night [07:50]
mircea_popescu o look, she's all laided. [07:50]
herbijudlestoids why does ozbot not pull from [07:50]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: The baits have two cans, add a string and you too can be Gox [07:50]
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MisterE :D [07:50]
bitcoinpete *sigh* I have a feeling I'm going to be spending more time here. Too early to tell whether that's a good thing but I'm inexplicably drawn in by this circus [07:50]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: im making my own exchange. with blackjack and hookers. [07:51]
herbijudlestoids bitcoinpete: tell me about it [07:51]
MisterE yea bitcoinpete the rest of the BTC channels are lame [07:51]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: You can just lurk, I mean look at the lsit online. It is the way of most people. IRC nearly demands it. [07:51]
bitcoinpete never tried the others [07:51]
bitcoinpete trilema pointed here [07:51]
bitcoinpete no one else pointed anywhere else so here I am [07:51]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids hopefully australia has better hookers than what they found in miami [07:51]
BingoBoingo You can try #bitcoin-otc if you like self induced concussions [07:52]
mircea_popescu o look, i have a captive audience. [07:52]
MisterE mircea_popescu: they do but their coke sucks [07:52]
herbijudlestoids wut MisterE sed [07:52]
BingoBoingo MisterE: Give East StL a try [07:52]
herbijudlestoids coke in london is what... $50/g? [07:52]
bitcoinpete mircea: just like you always dreamed [07:52]
mircea_popescu til that the sole path for bilirubin elimination is through the uridine diphosphate glucuronosyltransferase isoform 1A1 [07:52]
herbijudlestoids coke in sydney, half the purity of that of london is $300/g [07:52]
MisterE haha [07:53]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: you dont research your poop enough [07:53]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids actually... there's a trilema article on the subject [07:53]
BingoBoingo I tell you all magnesium citrate is a hell of a way to pass a drug test [07:53]
* herbijudlestoids lels [07:53]
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mircea_popescu ;;google trilema de ce e cacatul maro [07:53]
gribble Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Martie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [07:53]
* herbijudlestoids fires up a VM [07:53]
mircea_popescu literally, inquires and explains why shit's brown [07:53]
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bitcoinpete well whaddya know [07:54]
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herbijudlestoids oh...ok..well i already inquired and got the explanation to that q long ago :) [07:54]
* herbijudlestoids spins down VM [07:54]
mircea_popescu im slow. [07:54]
bitcoinpete I don't remember that from biochem 200 or physl 2xx. [07:54]
MisterE what language is that site in? [07:54]
bitcoinpete And my mom didn't teach me romanian... [07:54]
BingoBoingo I haven't had a bio class since 7th grade. [07:55]
herbijudlestoids almost at 300ATC :) [07:55]
MisterE Romanian? [07:55]
mircea_popescu romanian. [07:55]
herbijudlestoids ;;calc 62700/2621404453 [07:56]
gribble 2.39184761925e-05 [07:56]
herbijudlestoids ^ current ATC/BTC difficulty implied price [07:56]
mircea_popescu 239 ? [07:57]
bitcoinpete I had two romanian architects living with me all summer [07:57]
herbijudlestoids ;;calc 31350/2911847381 [07:57]
gribble 1.07663609723e-05 [07:57]
mircea_popescu you run an architect boarding house ? [07:57]
herbijudlestoids ^^ next diff implied price [07:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On Doge terms that is 20k satoshis [07:57]
bitcoinpete in the off-season [07:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo e-05 would be 5 zeroes. so that's 3 digit satoshi price [07:57]
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bitcoinpete they loved Jaime Oliver and cooked up a storm [07:58]
bitcoinpete My townhouse had a new stink every night [07:58]
mircea_popescu all romanians worth the name can cook. [07:58]
herbijudlestoids gribble reports it in 'hard-for-retards-to-understand' format... ; 62700/2621404453 ~0.00002391847619250229 [07:58]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But Altcoin rules, ignore 3 of the zeros like Doge does. [07:58]
bitcoinpete The "husband" would spend hours slaving over the stove while the "wife" would read [07:58]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete now that's emancipated. were they in their 20s ? [07:59]
herbijudlestoids i bought some books before i got sick...graham greene "our man in havana" (i own almost all his novels now) and flaubert "madame bovary" [08:01]
herbijudlestoids anyone read flaubert? [08:01]
BingoBoingo You know who is emaciated, those creepy ass ski jumpers [08:01]
bitcoinpete mid-late 20s [08:01]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I did and then I buried it with crap [08:01]
bitcoinpete also big fans of QI, Top Gear, and America's Next Top Model [08:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.0008717 = 5.5353 BTC [+] {2} [08:01]
herbijudlestoids how can QI be put in the same line with Top Gear and Americas Next Top Model [08:02]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: DO you have Hulu where you are at? [08:02]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: appreciate the review ;) [08:03]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Well I ask about Hulu because Appilacian Outlaws is the best reality show for understanding Bitcoin. [08:04]
herbijudlestoids haha i was talking about flaubert! [08:04]
herbijudlestoids dude how drunk are you [08:04]
herbijudlestoids youre approaching vex on sat night levels [08:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086675 = 13.608 BTC [-] {3} [08:05]
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BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I'm trying to talk to bitcoinpete about tv shows. I am barely drunk. [08:05]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: If you think I am so intoxicated are you up for a game after this one with moiety is over? [08:06]
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bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: I don't have Hulu. Just got Netflixes [08:06]
herbijudlestoids no, you owe me one discussion about turtle F2F, retroshare and why you use neither. [08:06]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Because anonymity is over rated [08:07]
herbijudlestoids although i did learn today that retroshares routing algorithm is in fact inspired by turtle [08:07]
herbijudlestoids its F2F, not anonymous? [08:07]
BingoBoingo turtle is decent for a private net. [08:07]
BingoBoingo But on public nets you have to account for the meta-NSA [08:07]
BingoBoingo meta-NSA has the solution to all crypto in a drawer [08:07]
BingoBoingo The only way to deal with meta-NSA is to invite them to lick your balls [08:08]
herbijudlestoids can you pls clarify, private net == LAN? or private net == F2F VPN [08:09]
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BingoBoingo Private net is a net where you know all participants. [08:09]
herbijudlestoids yep thx [08:09]
herbijudlestoids i dont think turtle/retroshare is designed as anything but...definitely not for public net [08:10]
BingoBoingo Turtle routing is great for that. You can all watch 12 years an Oscar winnrar on that [08:10]
mrkent Anyone know where the ASIC Miner direct share spreadsheet is? [08:10]
BingoBoingo mrkent: I dunno that such a thing exists [08:11]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: so the reason you dont use it? got no friends? [08:11]
mrkent BingoBoingo, how do people trade direct shares? [08:12]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Nah. [08:12]
herbijudlestoids mrkent: talkin bout this? [08:12]
BingoBoingo mrkent: Talk to fry'd kitty [08:12]
* moiety is caught up ND2 - stealing a man! finarry! o/ [08:12]
BingoBoingo Nd5 [08:12]
BingoBoingo moiety: Your move again [08:13]
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BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: The reason to dislike that stuff is IRL friends are too cool for internet crimes [08:14]
moiety d2-c4 [08:14]
mrkent herbijudlestoids, no i thought there was one where it displays which address owns which shares [08:15]
BingoBoingo Bg7xa1 [08:15]
herbijudlestoids mrkent: sorry, cant help, i just pulled that off google [08:15]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: yea fair enough. i also get the feeling that retroshare might not have the highest code quality [08:15]
mrkent np thanks [08:16]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I can't trust that the petty shit isn't backdoored from the start [08:16]
BingoBoingo I've got misdemeanor charges to still fight [08:16]
herbijudlestoids lel [08:17]
moiety thanks for making me homeless, prick [08:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.0008723 = 23.027 BTC [+] {2} [08:18]
BingoBoingo Can't just roll over and eat a fine. Have to convince that states attorney that if this is how he fight a misdemeanor a felony can't be worth prosecuting [08:18]
herbijudlestoids i was supposed to be in bed recuperating but who can sleep when the greatest chess match of all time is happening in -assets [08:18]
BingoBoingo moiety: It's fine, just maybe try going on the offensive for a change? [08:19]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: stick it to the man! [08:19]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I've actually lost in this chan [08:19]
moiety :P [08:19]
moiety you know im kidding [08:20]
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BingoBoingo moiety: I know, but seriously where is your aggression. You were white? Where are the whips? [08:20]
moiety oh i thought you thought i was being too agressive [08:21]
BingoBoingo moiety: No, It's like you have spent the entire game as an Olympic snowboarder is a green haze. [08:21]
moiety sounds good to me.... [08:21]
moiety i can say it is much easier now i can see the board [08:22]
* moiety will try to be moar vicious [08:22]
BingoBoingo moiety: Well you have two moves before things becomem hopeless. [08:22]
moiety go have another drink [08:23]
BingoBoingo moiety: Force me to do something other than end you. [08:23]
BingoBoingo shit, I only have 3 inches of Vodka left in this fifth [08:23]
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BingoBoingo [08:25]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [08:25]
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moiety h3-g5 [08:26]
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BingoBoingo Bc3+ [08:27]
moiety omg did you see that lol [08:27]
BingoBoingo moiety: This is an anti Doge channel. The best Doge thing to come out of here was selling Sochi DOge skins to the slants. [08:28]
moiety im not particularly pro doge... really is everywhere is all. [08:29]
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BingoBoingo moiety: And how can I be racist. I am black. You moved first trying to colonize my half of the board. [08:30]
moiety ive never seen anything in the centre of a letter on google results, its bizarre [08:30]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: +1 for thinkpad, -999999999 for unity. [08:30]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Unity on FreeBSD ain't bad though. [08:30]
moiety and what did you just do [08:30]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Bc3+ [08:31]
moiety :s ness [08:31]
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moiety nvm [08:32]
herbijudlestoids y...youre using unity on fbsd? [08:32]
herbijudlestoids okkk [08:32]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I won't confirm or deny it. Maybe Open BSD, maybe NetBSD, maybe FreeBSD. [08:33]
moiety jeeves** not google [08:33]
BingoBoingo Unity is awfully portable though and better than GNOME Shell [08:33]
BingoBoingo I also don't much trust that false successor to gnome 2 [08:34]
herbijudlestoids yea gnome3 stole my heart and then broke it [08:34]
herbijudlestoids iv been using xfce since [08:34]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Maybe you need an actual substance abuse problem like me. That might bring your mind to sense. [08:34]
herbijudlestoids how do you know i dont have one? [08:35]
BingoBoingo By substance I mean Bitcoin. An Aristotelian substance. [08:35]
herbijudlestoids lel [08:35]
BingoBoingo I have had so much and squandered so much. [08:35]
herbijudlestoids good save [08:35]
BingoBoingo Not a save herbijudlestoids, an actual meaning [08:36]
BingoBoingo Actual meaning refering to "is does something" [08:36]
BingoBoingo I really dunno what all the Unity hate is over anyways [08:38]
BingoBoingo It isn't like it has a niggers.txt file [08:38]
BingoBoingo Like gnome shell does [08:39]
moiety g5-h3 [08:40]
moiety sorry trying to change my gpg key and failing [08:41]
BingoBoingo moiety: can't do that, you are in check [08:41]
BingoBoingo moiety: You have to take, interpose, or move to address my Bishop on c3 [08:42]
moiety hang on have i moved you to the wrong place [08:42]
moiety g2-h3 [08:43]
moiety c3 [08:43]
moiety g2-c3 [08:43]
moiety i meant c3 before as well [08:43]
BingoBoingo ? is that a move? [08:43]
moiety why not [08:44]
BingoBoingo How does your pawn on g2 get to c3? [08:44]
moiety g2 has a dude, no it is h3, why am i not allowed that [08:44]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete by the way, the circus you see ? this is the house of a free market. that's how one looks, circus-y [08:45]
moiety g2-h3 [08:45]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Because you are in check. Your king is in imminent danger. The Bishop on c3 threatens to take it. [08:45]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids yes i read flaubert. [08:45]
moiety i thought bishops can only move diagonally [08:46]
mircea_popescu try bouvard & pecuchet sometime [08:46]
BingoBoingo You have to kill my Bishop, Block its attack, or evacuate your king [08:46]
mircea_popescu it's like... the history of forum finance. [08:46]
BingoBoingo moiety: My bishop is attacking your king on a diagonal [08:46]
moiety [08:46]
herbijudlestoids hmm mircea_popescu thx i will check it out at the bookstore. any thoughts on madame bovary? [08:47]
moiety i see what i did [08:47]
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Duffer1 russians; pretty good at skating, who knew [08:47]
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MisterE might print up a couple of these if u travel. [08:49]
MisterE doh! [08:49]
moiety bingo i think he is fucked [08:49]
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* MisterE I mean these: [08:49]
BingoBoingo moiety: You are doing better than truffles. I'm uploading a pic again to sync to [08:49]
moiety e1 - f2 and is it not my queen? [08:50]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids plenty. [08:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] {3} [08:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2} [08:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2} [08:50]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Your king can do that. I'm going to take a garage cigarette break. Ask yourself if that is the BEST move. [08:50]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: just out of morbid curiosity, what is wrong with ...xchess, for example? [08:50]
herbijudlestoids why must it be played over irc [08:51]
mircea_popescu there's a trilema post from back in 2009 where some romanian studying at the sorbonne who dared not like it is excruciated by my readership. [08:51]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Mostly sloppy coding and weird errors [08:51]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: good answer [08:51]
* moiety nods [08:51]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: pls link? ill feed it to google translate (assuming its in romani) [08:51]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Xchess demands on particular font most don't have to work even halfway [08:52]
mircea_popescu wtf retarded game of chess is that ?! [08:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The Stallman board version [08:52]
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mircea_popescu but i mean... o wait, moiety is white huh [08:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00087234 = 2.9223 BTC [+] [08:52]
BingoBoingo Yeah [08:52]
mircea_popescu hon you're not very good at this :D [08:52]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids [08:53]
mircea_popescu curious what gt can make out of multi-layered meaning cake a la trilema & its peanut gallery [08:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: She's prolly ready to beat truffles [08:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00296392 = 2.9639 BTC [-] {12} [08:53]
moiety lol nope :D but i will get better mircea_popescu! [08:53]
herbijudlestoids o ffs [08:55]
herbijudlestoids google translate caught by the subscription page [08:55]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: It nearly always is [08:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+] [08:55]
BingoBoingo I remember paying half a BTC for trilema credits and losing the cookie, because webchat [08:56]
BingoBoingo Trilema is worth it enough though that I keep a hot cookie [08:56]
moiety yep e1-f2 [08:57]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: surely cookie is not the only thing tying trilema to your payment? [08:57]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: It actually is because trilema is built the right way. [08:58]
BingoBoingo Nc6 [08:58]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids anyway, among the commenters corina is the letters dept head of i don't recall which kind at the cluj university, als is a meanwhile deceased faggoty movie critic of great repute, esk is the chick in question and so on [08:58]
BingoBoingo Nb-c6 [08:58]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: pls hold while i rip the text into gt manually [08:59]
moiety g1-h7 [08:59]
MisterE what is this truffles I keep hearing about? [08:59]
mircea_popescu MisterE when you bareback a chick with diabethes. [08:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087171 = 7.7146 BTC [-] [08:59]
MisterE thats perfectly OK [09:00]
mircea_popescu no wait. you have the diabethes. she has a yeast infection. [09:00]
MisterE oh no [09:00]
MisterE Yeast is a no go [09:00]
BingoBoingo moiety: You have nothing on g1 [09:00]
moiety i think im number dyslexic, g5-h7 [09:00]
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BingoBoingo Bd4+ [09:02]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: here is the translated article. will do comments once iv read [09:02]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids it may surprise you to know i have access to my own articles :D [09:03]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: you were curious what the translate looked like? [09:03]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: He is always curious what right translations look like [09:04]
mircea_popescu yeah but i loaded up gt [09:04]
herbijudlestoids ah right lol [09:04]
herbijudlestoids so far ineligible [09:04]
moiety f2-e1 retreaaat [09:04]
BingoBoingo right translations of trilema are... challenging though [09:04]
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herbijudlestoids "Notice how not even offer me eat my own ears" [09:05]
BingoBoingo KxNe7 [09:05]
BingoBoingo *KxNh7 [09:06]
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BingoBoingo I need to drink moar [09:06]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: it's a salty circus, which is good because I might actually learn something [09:07]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids ineligible means which can't be chosen [09:07]
mircea_popescu uninteligible however... [09:07]
bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: yes [09:07]
moiety i cant do that BingoBoingo [09:07]
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moiety your king is d8 right [09:07]
mircea_popescu and since we're on it, inedible = uneatable, indelible = uneraseable. [09:08]
herbijudlestoids retarded mircea_popescu i meant illegible. [09:08]
herbijudlestoids <-retard [09:08]
BingoBoingo moiety: My king was on G8 because castling [09:08]
BingoBoingo That 0-0 [09:08]
mircea_popescu but you're legging it just fine :D [09:08]
mircea_popescu لآن الشيء نفسه سوف اهتزت كثيرا، " الفوضى " هي جميع أنواع << this is illegible [09:08]
herbijudlestoids haha [09:09]
moiety then how are we on the same moves? [09:09]
herbijudlestoids Me: see the Latin spoken in cambridge . mo got toothache at one point I roared in the room STOP ! Hammertime ! [09:09]
BingoBoingo moiety: Last pick I snapped should reveal where my king has been [09:09]
BingoBoingo moiety: As would the previous pic [09:09]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: please upload a short video of yourself yelling STOP! Hammertime! to youtube. [09:09]
mircea_popescu it's a metaphore. [09:10]
moiety pics didnt help making moves as theyhad to be in order [09:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00087171 = 16.1266 BTC [-] [09:10]
mircea_popescu i just excused myself and left. [09:10]
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BingoBoingo 0.01 BTC reward to the person who can name the Greek who was good at chaos. [09:10]
moiety both pics do have something on d8 [09:10]
mircea_popescu tho i did use to wear a fro [09:10]
BingoBoingo moiety: Remember that 0-0 though [09:10]
moiety yeah i guessed tha [09:11]
BingoBoingo moiety: My queen is still on d8 where it started [09:11]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: eris [09:11]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Not the clitus I am thinking of [09:11]
herbijudlestoids wut! [09:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo : Eρις [09:11]
mircea_popescu whose name reads just like epic [09:11]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: do you actually refer to chaos... [09:12]
herbijudlestoids chaos itself was a greek god [09:12]
BingoBoingo I was thinking of Heraclitus. [09:12]
mircea_popescu goddes [09:12]
herbijudlestoids wutttt [09:12]
mircea_popescu eris was a bitch [09:12]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: How can a chasm be a god [09:12]
BingoBoingo it is like saying a vagina is a bunch of matter. [09:12]
herbijudlestoids [09:13]
ozbot Eris (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [09:13]
BingoBoingo When the vagina is defined by the lack of matter in its chaos [09:13]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I also sought a person rather than a fictional catch all [09:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04660001 = 0.233 BTC [-] [09:14]
herbijudlestoids "For Hesiod and the early Greek Olympian myth (8th century BC), Chaos was the first of the primordial deities, followed by Earth (Gaia), Tartarus and Eros (Love).[16] From Chaos came Erebus and Nyx.[17]" [09:14]
herbijudlestoids but i would always answer fnord...i mean eris that question... [09:14]
BingoBoingo Yes, from chaos, from her slit. [09:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087283 = 22.7809 BTC [+] {3} [09:15]
BingoBoingo If I asked for a Dago, supposing a real person Vito Corleone would be under Mussolini every day of the week. [09:15]
herbijudlestoids lel [09:15]
herbijudlestoids fair enough, i knew the answer only from my reading of the principia not actually cultured :P [09:16]
moiety i cant find gpg on freenode [09:16]
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herbijudlestoids moiety: what do you mean? gpg is software...gnupg... [09:17]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Well, remember the chaos isn't the whole cunt, but merely the pleasant absence where the dick goes within the cunt [09:18]
bitcoinpete goddesses make me think of Citroens [09:18]
moiety in that room herbi, hopefully someone is around soon [09:19]
herbijudlestoids moiety: if you need any help with gpg i doubt anyone is more qualified than people in this room :) [09:19]
herbijudlestoids what are you trying to do? [09:20]
moiety all i want to do is chage my email address [09:20]
moiety change [09:20]
moiety i try uid bringsuo the key, try deluid tells me to select one [09:21]
moiety brings up* [09:21]
herbijudlestoids moiety: here you go [09:21]
* moiety huugs herbi - oh herbi! thanks so much :D tyty [09:22]
herbijudlestoids you dont really need to deluid, just revoke it [09:22]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: That is one way BTC beats GPG (and there are few [09:22]
herbijudlestoids (with revuid) [09:22]
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moiety right kk [09:22]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: sorry you lost me, in which way does BTC beat GPG? [09:23]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: In the way that anything *id is mutable until it is confirmed. [09:23]
herbijudlestoids yer [09:23]
moiety just keeps saying you must select at least ne user id, ive tried typing it in a million different ways [09:23]
BingoBoingo This shit Gox is bitching about is a strength [09:23]
herbijudlestoids moiety: in which command? gpg --edit-key ? it should just be gpg --edit-key moiety@moiety.moiety [09:25]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i prefer democritus to heraclitus but it might be my childhood exposure to him talking [09:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.1221 = 1.4652 BTC [-] [09:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.074 = 0.888 BTC [-] [09:30]
mircea_popescu you heard democritus talking ? [09:30]
herbijudlestoids poorly constructed sentence [09:30]
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BingoBoingo Must be one of those mythical baby boomers [09:31]
herbijudlestoids as in, the childhood exposure to democritus is talking to me, and convincing me that i prefer one to the other [09:31]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids actually it was fine, it'd have been his talking to be what i pretended it to be. just a little trolling :D [09:32]
herbijudlestoids luvz2betrolz [09:33]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You up for a game? [09:34]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i was about to go for long walk to get some dinners [09:35]
herbijudlestoids still around in a few hours? [09:35]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Who knows? [09:36]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: mm its only 1830. lets play a game, im sure you wont take long to beat me [09:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00086989 = 14.7455 BTC [-] {2} [09:37]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: My game against moiety is still ongooing [09:37]
herbijudlestoids ok..well ill ping you later then :) [09:38]
bitcoinpete Bon sour, mes amis. It's been a pleasure breaking the ice. [09:44]
bitcoinpete soir* [09:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] [09:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+] [09:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.0008672 = 3.2945 BTC [-] [09:47]
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Nick_Fly|2 is anyone here? [10:05]
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mircea_popescu yes. [10:06]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-] [10:07]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-] [10:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2} [10:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-] [10:10]
BingoBoingo,p0,s10,d0 essential watching before Robocop II [10:10]
nick_fly Guys, help me! I'm stuck in Ukraine because of this revolution and I can not go home. But then the border guard offers to give him a bribe and he will miss me. He told that accepts BTC. I know it's sounds like a joke, but tomó it's totally not fun!!! Donate as much as you can. [10:10]
mircea_popescu revolution ?! [10:10]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-] [10:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] [10:11]
nick_fly google "maidan ukrain" [10:11]
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cazalla ukranian eh [10:12]
cazalla you know phil leotardo got mistaken for a ukrainia [10:12]
nick_fly You are my last hope=( [10:12]
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mircea_popescu [10:13]
mircea_popescu check it out, naked chicks. [10:13]
mircea_popescu hey, do you know the topless bunch, what's their name [10:13]
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nick_fly Pussy Riot? [10:13]
moiety wth is going on in that pic [10:14]
nick_fly I would not come here if not for work. Please! Heeeelp!!! [10:14]
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mircea_popescu yeah, that's right, pussy riot. [10:14]
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mircea_popescu moiety a dancer girl is looking for her contacts ? [10:14]
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moiety mircea_popescu: those guys must have paid for them, they look really pissed of she's lost them [10:15]
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cazalla dhl [10:16]
cazalla el package express [10:16]
nick_fly i'm here for 3 days, can't pass the border [10:16]
mircea_popescu seems the sort of thing final year performing arts kids would be doing [10:16]
nick_fly will anyone help me? [10:16]
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mircea_popescu nick_fly you know is actually in belarus, right ? [10:16]
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nick_fly it's proxy [10:16]
nick_fly local provider blocks me [10:16]
mircea_popescu cause of the revolution ? [10:17]
nick_fly ccertainly [10:17]
moiety bingo's being kind enough to just restart fresh board. i move d4 [10:18]
nick_fly when i came here, the first question i have been asked was "going to "EuroMaidan"? [10:18]
BingoBoingo 1. d4 d5 [10:19]
nick_fly mircea_popescu: help pls [10:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-] [10:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] [10:19]
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mircea_popescu why did you go there anyway [10:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] [10:20]
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moiety herbi herbi herbi [10:20]
moiety nc3 [10:20]
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nick_fly mircea_popescu: to sign a contract for the supply of water. Does it important? [10:21]
BingoBoingo c6 [10:21]
mircea_popescu not really to me, no. mostly to you. [10:21]
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nick_fly mircea_popescu: yeah [10:22]
nick_fly 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can [10:22]
mircea_popescu so who were you signing water supply contracts for / [10:22]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: 0.01 BTC for a sharpie in your pooper with Bingo on the left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek [10:22]
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moiety na4 BingoBoingo [10:23]
nick_fly my boss send me here. it's some kind of healing water [10:23]
BingoBoingo Nf6 moiety [10:24]
mircea_popescu well so then why isn't your boss getting you out ? [10:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] [10:24]
nick_fly have you ever heard of ever heard of Borjomi? [10:24]
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BingoBoingo nick_fly: get your boss here it won't be the value I offered you. [10:24]
nick_fly he don't care [10:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15549 @ 0.00087291 = 13.5729 BTC [+] {2} [10:25]
moiety BingoBoingo: c4 [10:25]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: He as you boss could do 5 laundry markers for 0.02 BTC [10:25]
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nick_fly he don't even know what is BTC [10:25]
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BingoBoingo Qa5+ moiety [10:26]
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moiety my thing doesnt register that, what are you meaning [10:27]
BingoBoingo moiety: Queen to a5, check [10:27]
nick_fly guys, i can't discuss here for a long time. access to the internet here is VERY! expensive to me. Please help ANYONE!!!!!!! [10:27]
moiety nvm [10:27]
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nick_fly 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can [10:28]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: Freedom isn't free. [10:28]
nick_fly it's not funny [10:28]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: Freedom simply means, nothing left to lose [10:28]
nick_fly Imagine yourself in my place. IT'S NOT FUNNY! [10:28]
moiety bishop - d2 [10:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28267 @ 0.00087353 = 24.6921 BTC [+] {2} [10:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00012661 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {5} [10:30]
BingoBoingo Qd8 [10:30]
nick_fly BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: help please [10:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12772 @ 0.00012023 = 1.5356 BTC [-] {4} [10:31]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: Open your sphincter first [10:31]
nick_fly implore you [10:31]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: 0.01BTC for a sharpie in your pooper [10:33]
mircea_popescu nick_fly apparently some georgian mineral water. [10:33]
mircea_popescu never had it myself. is it any good ? [10:33]
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moiety ev BingoBoingo [10:35]
moiety e4* [10:35]
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BingoBoingo Nxe4 [10:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2} [10:36]
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* Received a CTCP PING 1157931.953000 from nick_fly [10:37]
* Received a CTCP USERINFO from nick_fly [10:37]
nick_fly heeey [10:37]
* Received a CTCP SOURCE from nick_fly [10:37]
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nick_fly I left for 7-8 minutes until the end of Internet access. SOMEONE!!!! HELP!!!! AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx [10:39]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: If you want anything you can put a sharpie in your pooper or jump the country fence [10:39]
BingoBoingo nick_fly:,p0,s10,d0 [10:40]
mircea_popescu yeah, kinda lukewarm entertainment value so far. [10:40]
nick_fly BingoBoingo: can be seen only from the usa. GUYS.... aaaaaa. heeeeeelp [10:42]
nick_fly mircea_popescu: i'vó read about you. i know you can help. [10:42]
nick_fly mircea_popescu: i'm not asking as much as openBSD asked. just as much as you can [10:43]
nick_fly or as you want [10:43]
mircea_popescu lmao [10:43]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: You could still get BTC from sharpie in pooper [10:43]
mircea_popescu CTCP VERSION [10:44]
* Received a CTCP VERSION from mircea_popescu [10:44]
mircea_popescu CTCP SOURCE [10:44]
* Received a CTCP SOURCE from mircea_popescu [10:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54540204 = 2.727 BTC [-] {4} [10:44]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: Great victories only come from great sacrifices... of dignity [10:44]
MisterE I wonder if we'll see more miners hedge their bet with fpgas which can be useful for other stuff they can get paid for [10:45]
nick_fly the last time - will anyone help me? i can't be here more. please if you have any kindness [10:46]
nick_fly 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx [10:46]
mircea_popescu least likely thing for a miner to hedge with [10:46]
nick_fly!*@* added to ignore list. [10:46]
BingoBoingo nick_fly: I am offering to pay, but only if you entertain first [10:47]
moiety BingoBoingo: Ba5 [10:48]
BingoBoingo moiety: Qxa5+ [10:49]
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BingoBoingo nick_fly: I offered a way to help yourself for 0.01 BTC [10:49]
moiety BingoBoingo: Ke2 [10:51]
BingoBoingo Bg4+ [10:51]
moiety can i keep two emails on one key? [10:52]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Yeah, but that is the least of details [10:52]
moiety i know being destroyed is priority [10:53]
moiety ke3 [10:54]
BingoBoingo Bxd1 [10:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [-] [10:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.1221 = 1.8315 BTC [-] [10:55]
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moiety you bastard [10:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+] [10:56]
moiety she didnt do anything to you [10:57]
moiety rxd1 [10:57]
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BingoBoingo Nf6 [10:59]
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moiety Nc5 [11:02]
BingoBoingo Ng4+ [11:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00087384 = 4.5877 BTC [+] [11:06]
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moiety kf3 [11:08]
mircea_popescu those 7-8 minutes lasted a while. [11:08]
MisterE why least likely hedge mircea_popescu? That's the fastest tradeoff you get short of asic? [11:11]
BingoBoingo Ne5+ [11:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087384 = 8.4762 BTC [+] {2} [11:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0749995 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} [11:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-] [11:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [11:18]
moiety ke2 :( [11:18]
BingoBoingo Nxc4 [11:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16536 @ 0.00087375 = 14.4483 BTC [-] {2} [11:26]
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KRS-One btc-e is down, rumors is that it was taken down perm [11:30]
BingoBoingo lol [11:31]
moiety Nxb7 [11:31]
BingoBoingo Qxa2 [11:33]
midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio [11:34]
midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio [11:34]
mircea_popescu MisterE they could (and do) hedge by putting btc on the bitbet diff bets [11:34]
mircea_popescu they could (and perhaps to a smaller degree d0) hedge by trading diff futures [11:34]
mircea_popescu buying fpgas is not unlike buying taxicabs. not much to do with anything. [11:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00087209 = 32.4627 BTC [-] {3} [11:36]
moiety i cant reverse my last one rc1 [11:40]
BingoBoingo Qxb2+ [11:41]
herbijudlestoids i haz returned [11:42]
moiety kd1 [11:43]
moiety im still losing! [11:43]
moiety wb! [11:43]
herbijudlestoids hehe, did you sort out your gpg key? [11:43]
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BingoBoingo moiety: Qd2++ [11:44]
BingoBoingo Good game [11:44]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You ready for a game? [11:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00087105 = 23.8711 BTC [-] {3} [11:46]
herbijudlestoids sure, BingoBoingo give me 5 to browse the algebraic notation page for chess [11:46]
BingoBoingo K [11:47]
moiety ok be honest, how often could you have finished it before BingoBoingo?! [11:47]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You prefer white or black? [11:47]
BingoBoingo moiety: I doubt he followed too close [11:47]
moiety and i did herbi! thanks :D [11:47]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: happy to flip on it [11:48]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Heads or tails? [11:48]
moiety no BingoBoingo i was sking you how much you let we away with lol [11:49]
herbijudlestoids heads pls [11:49]
moiety asking* [11:49]
BingoBoingo ;;coin [11:49]
gribble tails [11:49]
herbijudlestoids ok i think i understand [11:49]
herbijudlestoids pls pull me up on any mistakes re notation [11:49]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: tails, I prefer black. Your move. [11:49]
moiety was fun with the board that [11:49]
moiety :D [11:49]
herbijudlestoids e4 [11:50]
BingoBoingo d6 [11:50]
herbijudlestoids b3 [11:51]
BingoBoingo Nf6 [11:51]
herbijudlestoids Nc3 [11:52]
BingoBoingo g6 [11:52]
herbijudlestoids Rb1 [11:53]
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BingoBoingo Bg7 [11:53]
herbijudlestoids Bc4 [11:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC [11:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08199 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2} [11:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00087425 = 11.2778 BTC [+] {2} [11:55]
BingoBoingo 0-0 [11:56]
herbijudlestoids how do i do the 0-0 on the html board [11:56]
herbijudlestoids got it [11:58]
BingoBoingo Ke8 to g8 and rook h8 to f8 [11:58]
herbijudlestoids g4 [11:59]
BingoBoingo Bxg4 [11:59]
herbijudlestoids f3 [12:00]
BingoBoingo e5 [12:02]
herbijudlestoids xg4 [12:02]
herbijudlestoids err should be fxg4 i guess sorry [12:03]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [21:04]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [21:04]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [21:04]
* [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: [21:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00083553 = 0.1671 BTC [+] {2} [21:04]
dub lol [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07110001 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2} [21:06]
mircea_popescu Votre Honneur, [21:07]
mircea_popescu Je suis [21:07]
mircea_popescu Mademoiselle Valérie TAGRO, jeune ivoirienne âgée de 21 ans. Je suis une [21:07]
mircea_popescu ancienne lauréate du concours de beauté « Miss Cote D'Ivoire ». [21:07]
mircea_popescu Je [21:07]
mircea_popescu suis aujourd'hui orpheline et je n'ai plus personne pour m'aider et pour [21:07]
mircea_popescu me guider. [21:07]
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mircea_popescu somehow it sounds even dirtier in french [21:08]
asciilifeform gift from the spam gods? [21:08]
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mircea_popescu yea [21:09]
HeySteve2 ah, mircea_popescu. I was wondering you had any comment on "Pandacoin PANDA AKA The Asian Doge Coin / Doge 2.0" [21:09]
mircea_popescu sounds legit. [21:09]
HeySteve2 it is due to be launched tomorrow, with lots of love from Doge pump and dumper Wolong [21:10]
HeySteve2 pre-mine will be a modest 3% [21:10]
mod6 sad panda [21:10]
mircea_popescu HeySteve2 does it have a sarcasm detection mechanism ? [21:11]
HeySteve2 indeed, but I forgot the best feature. Wolong said he's ready to work with authorities to combat terrorism right in the announce thread [21:12]
mircea_popescu lol [21:12]
mircea_popescu what makes you think anyone asked "wolong" anything ? [21:12]
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HeySteve2 well, the coin launched with an open letter from Wolong. [21:13]
HeySteve2 exciting stuff [21:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from the Fun With Widgets dept.: [21:14]
mircea_popescu HeySteve2 i tell you i don't see it. [21:14]
mircea_popescu guy's not even in the wot. [21:14]
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HeySteve2 shocker [21:14]
asciilifeform tldr ver.: drive bus DMA over NIC with diddled ROM. [21:14]
HeySteve2 well the link is here: [21:15]
asciilifeform fun for the whole family [21:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform omfg, look, slovenian! kakobrekla has been a bad boy! [21:15]
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mircea_popescu Well, I would say that it took me approximately 500 man-hours to get to the stage of having a working "shell" [21:16]
mircea_popescu this security, that can be breached in 500 hours. [21:17]
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mircea_popescu feels like we all live in barbie's townhouse. [21:17]
mircea_popescu Arrigo Triulzi: The only way would be trusted computing if implemented properly and without the DRM halo which it normally carries. [21:18]
mircea_popescu this is not actually correct. the correct way is triangular network designs. [21:18]
mircea_popescu much cheaper and definitely practical. [21:19]
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asciilifeform those 'willing to open their third eye' will see the market for deliberately-minimal HW - e.g. NICs without general-purpose CPUs, etc. [21:27]
asciilifeform (wtf does a NIC need a dual-core MIPS?) [21:28]
mircea_popescu indeed. [21:28]
mircea_popescu which ironically will be a major chance for the third world. [21:28]
mircea_popescu it's funny how this battle goes over the years. africa, south america and central asia are colonised, because they suck. [21:29]
mircea_popescu so they suck colonist cock and try their best. [21:29]
mircea_popescu however, by the time they get their tech to the level of making their own lightbulbs and other peripherals [21:29]
mircea_popescu well suddenly the ex-colonizers decide the kind of lightbulbs they can make are illegal to use. [21:29]
mircea_popescu however, just about at the same time the most important industry of the colonizers, ie silicone processing, has "progressed" past the point of usefulness [21:30]
mircea_popescu which opens a door just in time. a brazilian made "ancient" technology nic could command a premium in the marketplace [21:30]
mircea_popescu all the while cisco reports quarters of zero sales [21:30]
mircea_popescu like it did last q. [21:30]
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mircea_popescu logically we'd expect this producer to get no likes on facebook. [21:31]
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ThickAsThieves Bitcoin Now Accounts for 10% of Sales at [21:39]
ThickAsThieves sells bitcoins? [21:40]
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benkay another 2 hour vm provisioning killed because apple kills the wifi card when the display goes off. [21:41]
benkay *raaaage* [21:42]
ThickAsThieves anyone know what the cool kids use to display custom fonts on websites these days? [21:42]
davout benkay: i've never experienced that [21:43]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, but it sells very little porn. [21:44]
mircea_popescu benkay it does. [21:44]
mircea_popescu oops i mean davout it does. [21:44]
mircea_popescu chick has a tablet, can't be used for irc because apple has decided it will turn off devices. unless you root the shit you're stuck. [21:45]
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davout mircea_popescu: yeah ios sucks, but on a powered laptop or on a desktop the wifi doesn't go just because the display goes off [21:47]
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pankkake ThickAsThieves: [21:47]
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davout not sure about a laptop that's not plugged to the power [21:48]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would you run ios on anything but a tablet. [21:48]
mircea_popescu then again i guess who the fuck provisions vms from a tablet. [21:48]
asciilifeform if there's a widget other than phone/tablet that runs ios, this is news. [21:48]
davout mircea_popescu: yeah, irc on a tablet, bad idea, provisioning a vm on a tablet, that's too mainstream [21:49]
mircea_popescu uh [21:49]
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mircea_popescu you can't even type. [21:49]
asciilifeform some people use tablets as 'dumb terminals.' [21:50]
mircea_popescu so how do you produce a tilde and three dashes ? you dictate it / [21:50]
asciilifeform (with keyboards plugged in) [21:50]
davout an ipad is a pretty good reddit terminal [21:50]
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mircea_popescu a like that. kay. [21:50]
mircea_popescu how much is an apple kbd, 300 bucks ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu (no sarcasmo) [21:50]
davout 100 eur last i checked [21:50]
asciilifeform takes standard 'bluetooth' kbd [21:51]
davout or 80 [21:51]
mircea_popescu that should work then [21:51]
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davout yeah, vim on an ipad with your bluetooth keyboard, now *that's* hip [21:51]
mircea_popescu seems for all the trouble you could have just had a dildo. [21:51]
mircea_popescu fuck me. [21:51]
mircea_popescu ok, this is rich : dildo shaped smartphone [21:51]
mircea_popescu you can just sit on it at your cafe while wearing a hat [21:51]
mircea_popescu and typing on your bluetooth kbd [21:52]
davout heh [21:52]
mircea_popescu anyone wants to use the phone they can just blow in your as. [21:52]
asciilifeform the 'tablet terminal' crap would probably vanish if <1kg laptops with 12+hr batteries were available. [21:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wtf do you care, you got a car anyway, right ? [21:53]
davout asciilifeform: the macbook air gets pretty close [21:53]
mircea_popescu i knew this fellow who had his trunk always full. 1-200 loaded laptop batteries/ [21:53]
asciilifeform not me. but people with certain odd habits (working in cafes, on the shitter, etc) [21:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: barely anything comes with removable batteries now. [21:54]
mircea_popescu apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. [21:54]
asciilifeform depends on the cell chemistry [21:54]
asciilifeform Li cell wants to be kept ~70% full at all times, if i recall [21:54]
asciilifeform hates cycling; full discharge, even more. [21:55]
mircea_popescu didn't it have a memory effect ? [21:55]
mircea_popescu an you're supposed to fully draw it ? [21:55]
asciilifeform that's NiCD [21:55]
mircea_popescu so i guess this answers the q :D [21:55]
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asciilifeform Li cell is a scam on the consumer, really. more or less worthless after 2 yrs. or so. [21:55]
mircea_popescu "2 years should be enough for anybody" [21:56]
ThickAsThieves thanks pankkake, i will also look at your php thing tonight hopefully [21:56]
mircea_popescu srsly now... if you've not outgrown your toys in two years it's time for the parents to pack you off for the development specialist. you got issues. [21:56]
asciilifeform got a 16 yr. old lappy here. [21:57]
CheckDavid apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. <-- what? [21:57]
CheckDavid the best thing? [21:57]
mircea_popescu yes. [21:57]
asciilifeform [21:57]
asciilifeform (not mine, but same) [21:58]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu, that is with the old batteries [21:58]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid well yeah, it emerged in the conversation. this was happening cca 2003 so i guess it checks out. [21:58]
CheckDavid oh [21:58]
benkay new laptops every year [21:59]
benkay classic hedonic treadmill [21:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform looks oddly soviet. [21:59]
asciilifeform it's brick-solid. [21:59]
benkay "oh and also we added new widgets to the UI and forced a push out to all boxen so here you go now your perfectly serviceable 2 year old device runs at 1/4 speed because ACCELEROMETER-CONNECTED UI WIDGETRY" [21:59]
asciilifeform one you learn to type with 8 fingers, it's among the best laptop kbds. [21:59]
mircea_popescu benkay heh who the fuck runs original os ontheir laptop. [22:00]
asciilifeform afaik, among the last laptops made in japan [22:00]
benkay mircea_popescu: us derpy web and interaction engineers [22:00]
benkay "engineers" [22:00]
mircea_popescu well fuck them then. [22:00]
davout mircea_popescu: i do, because saint jobs willed it that way [22:01]
mircea_popescu well fuck you then. [22:01]
kakobrekla evenin [22:01]
benkay i'm pretty sure my environment's attitude to me is "fuck you" anyways. [22:01]
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mircea_popescu benkay it's what i'm sayin' :) [22:01]
asciilifeform also among the last laptops without built-in wireless or ethernet. [22:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla why did you break the nice guy's firewall ? [22:01]
kakobrekla heh yeah, thats old by now. [22:02]
mircea_popescu for shame. [22:02]
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mircea_popescu benkay speaking of the ui bs, ubuntu did the exact thing with its v12 [22:02]
benkay mircea_popescu: some day this year we'll be able to afford an office [22:03]
benkay some day shortly after that i'm ditching laptops as a 'work' machine. [22:03]
mircea_popescu and yes i tell you, desktops are the best tops. [22:03]
benkay yeah [22:03]
asciilifeform laptops are not used 'from a good life.' [22:03]
benkay although babes want to consume television in various places around the house [22:04]
kakobrekla since when is this page up? [22:04]
kakobrekla [22:04]
ozbot Secret Bitcoin Project - Come see. [22:04]
benkay i might just mandate that television watching happens on that thing in the corner. [22:04]
Apocalyptic heh [22:04]
benkay FUKKEN YEAH [22:05]
kakobrekla FUKKEN LAZERZ [22:05]
davout oh this... [22:05]
kakobrekla ;;lasers [22:05]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [22:05]
mircea_popescu ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET <<< lmao [22:05]
kakobrekla is true [22:05]
kakobrekla sez I'm hiring devs & a designer. Email me at jobs@secretbitcoinproject. on top [22:05]
mircea_popescu well i guess they owe you one then for advertising their shitty gem ? [22:06]
kakobrekla "i cant tell you what it is, you want to work on in?" "yes." [22:06]
davout kakobrekla: leave your e-mail, you'll be invited to put him in touch with devs [22:06]
mircea_popescu funny how people just rehash the same old scams. so bitcoin investment gems run dry ? it's okay, make doge, the altchain investment gem [22:06]
mircea_popescu it doesn't take money, lives off your redditardation. [22:06]
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mircea_popescu now they have the same principle applied to hiring. [22:06]
mircea_popescu basically everythning the western world is capable of making anymore is powered by mass curiosity, boredom, fear, generally emotions. [22:07]
mircea_popescu we're reduced to an emotions mill. the only power we can still harness. [22:07]
mircea_popescu forget fire and waterfall. [22:07]
benkay fire and waterfall? [22:08]
mircea_popescu yes. fire and waterfall, the original things that europe used to fuck over the entire rest of the world. [22:08]
benkay waterfall as in 'software mgmt'? [22:09]
benkay wtf are you on about [22:09]
mircea_popescu no dude, as in water falling [22:09]
kakobrekla lolz [22:09]
davout lel [22:09]
kakobrekla hahaha [22:09]
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mircea_popescu this was pretty good [22:09]
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kakobrekla !b 25 [22:09]
benkay the depths of my ignorance... [22:10]
assbot Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. ( [22:10]
mircea_popescu you know, originally it went like fire -> metalworking -big jump-> firearms [22:10]
mircea_popescu waterfalling -> mills -big jump-> steam power [22:10]
benkay yeah i got there eventually [22:10]
kakobrekla waterfalling -> put off the fire -> metalworking with cold metal [22:11]
mircea_popescu both the big jumps are simply switching to a different, more powerful, cheaper, easier to deploy aspect of the same principle [22:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla heretic [22:11]
kakobrekla :> [22:11]
kakobrekla bbl [22:12]
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benkay is it so surprising, though mircea_popescu? the us is the land of 'get rich quick accidentally'. people don't understand the world at all, so anything mysterious might make them rich as they don't understand things to begin with. [22:14]
mircea_popescu it didn't use to be. [22:15]
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benkay long long time ago [22:16]
benkay "i can still remember when/the us used to get shit done" [22:16]
benkay [22:17]
ozbot Don McLean- American Pie (with Lyrics) - YouTube [22:17]
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mircea_popescu i liked the madonna version. [22:20]
mircea_popescu am i evil ? [22:20]
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benkay oh god [22:23]
benkay so america [22:23]
benkay [22:24]
ozbot Madonna - American Pie - YouTube [22:24]
mircea_popescu indeed. [22:25]
mircea_popescu [22:25]
ozbot Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe Trilema – Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | Bitcoin News Bits - [22:25]
mircea_popescu check out these fuckwits. "here's a scathing mp article we stole. would you like to buy ripples now ?" [22:25]
mike_c that link redirected me to some scam site.. [22:27]
asciilifeform they lifted some turd from my site a while ago, too [22:27]
mike_c who are these people betting 20 satoshis on JD? how is that fun? [22:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0054 = 0.162 BTC [-] [22:29]
mike_c he won 1 satoshi. he'll be rich soon. [22:29]
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Apocalyptic hey mike_c, working on the JD investment analysis ? [22:32]
mike_c yeah. [22:32]
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mircea_popescu mike_c maybe testing the randomness ? [22:36]
mircea_popescu or maybe just you know, the bottom of a monte carlo. [22:36]
asciilifeform haha, anybody run 'dieharder' on JD/SD/etc. ? [22:36]
mircea_popescu mike_c might. [22:36]
mircea_popescu hey mike, you know diehard/er ? [22:36]
asciilifeform to the victor go the spoils. [22:37]
mike_c if i don't publish anything you'll know what the results were :) [22:37]
mircea_popescu lolwut ? [22:37]
mike_c you'll know it's not so random. [22:38]
Apocalyptic heh [22:38]
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Apocalyptic and we'll know that you're slowly drying out the investment pool [22:38]
mircea_popescu why would you not publish if it came out rotten ?! [22:39]
mircea_popescu o hahaha [22:39]
Apocalyptic cuz he be stealin yo [22:39]
mircea_popescu i have my slow moments [22:39]
asciilifeform well, taking the whole piggy home is a kind of 'publish.' [22:39]
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mircea_popescu i put a lookout for the "mysterious m_c player emptied jd bank" threads [22:39]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, that's why he would have to do it wisely and blame good luck [22:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3200 @ 0.00016999 = 0.544 BTC [+] {4} [22:40]
asciilifeform see 'The Eudaemonic Pie.' [22:40]
asciilifeform always seemed to be like 'provably fair' dice is inherently at odds with sane rng. [22:41]
mircea_popescu fun twist : back in march 2011 i got pissed off at earth hour and declared i will plug everything i nthe house and make my vid card go 100% just so! [22:42]
asciilifeform that is, you're stuck with prng. [22:42]
mircea_popescu then a few months later i got the gift of bitcoin [22:42]
mircea_popescu and i never had to do this since. [22:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how you reason ? [22:42]
asciilifeform well, the whole concept, as i understand, is based on using a prng and disclosing seeds periodically. [22:43]
mircea_popescu yeah, but inasmuch as you rely in any fashion on blockchain generated numbers [22:43]
asciilifeform when using a trng, there is no way to mechanically prove that you are doing so [22:43]
mircea_popescu they're an actual rng [22:43]
asciilifeform any rng where a planet full of bozos contributes to the state is arguably questionable [22:44]
mircea_popescu no question [22:44]
mircea_popescu but questionable or not it is still a rng [22:44]
asciilifeform sort of like if a casino let the crowd piss on the roulette wheel. [22:45]
mircea_popescu yes but see [22:45]
mircea_popescu once you have an actual rng, there's tricks to fix it [22:45]
mircea_popescu like the coin flip etc [22:45]
asciilifeform this only works against 'natural' bias. [22:45]
mircea_popescu but planet full of bozos...well... [22:45]
mircea_popescu a good approximation of nature, at the very least [22:46]
pankkake mircea_popescu did it in Romanian, pankkake did it in French [22:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake together with our powers combined we are [22:46]
mircea_popescu SERGEANT BITCOIN! [22:46]
pankkake capitaine planète ! [22:46]
mircea_popescu fucking hell same day too. [22:47]
* asciilifeform opens Pollution Factory (tm), taunts cpt. plnt. [22:47]
mircea_popescu Pour manifester mon soutien à cette initiative trop peu médiatisée, j’ai éteint à 20h30 les deux ampoules à LED qui m’éclairaient. [22:47]
mircea_popescu Puis j’ai mis en route un sèche-linge, deux plaques électriques, et un emerge -u1avDN world, le tout en musique grâce à un ampli à tubes. Comme il faisait un peu noir j’ai allumé les 8 ampoules halogènes qui étaient à ma disposition. Et comme il faisait un peu chaud avec tout ça, j’ai ouvert la porte de mon réfrigérateur. [22:47]
mircea_popescu win. [22:47]
* asciilifeform feeds mutant beetles, whistles. [22:47]
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asciilifeform (actual scene from that dreadful show) [22:47]
pankkake anyway, those things don't reduce electrical consumption and just create more problems for power plants :p [22:47]
mircea_popescu pankkake yep. [22:47]
mircea_popescu the best part to my taste is this :? [22:48]
pankkake so we saved the word [22:48]
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pankkake world [22:48]
mircea_popescu the coal burning power plants release X mercury into atmosphere as part of their working. [22:48]
mircea_popescu ceteris paribus the halogen lamps reduce this to about .4 X [22:48]
mircea_popescu however they contain between .7 X and 2.2 X mercury in themselves. [22:48]
mircea_popescu so you know, instead of having that thing settle somewhere in the desert, it simply got moved in your kitchen. [22:49]
mircea_popescu this is the whole of the progress involved. [22:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you're thinking of 'fluorescent' tube, rather than halogen [22:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes yes [22:49]
benkay think also of all the energy recoverable from the mass headed towards the landfill [22:50]
mircea_popescu the philips shits [22:50]
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asciilifeform holy trio, 'expensive/shoddy/deadly' [22:50]
asciilifeform of envirowhinerism. [22:50]
mircea_popescu [22:50]
mircea_popescu actually... you know. [22:50]
asciilifeform FL isn't a hg arc lamp, the 'fluorescent' refers to the inner coating of the bulb, well, fluorescing. [22:51]
asciilifeform you can get pretty much any spectrum you want (other than blackbody) - just buy the right rare earths. [22:51]
mircea_popescu a good article overall [22:52]
ozbot ZEISS Microscopy Online Campus | Mercury Arc Lamps [22:52]
asciilifeform hg arc is typically found in high-end microscopes, etc [22:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, this is the thing : [22:53]
pankkake overall I like the halogen replacements. they definitely are not low consumption but they seem to last longer [22:53]
benkay i'm a huge fan of the pot lights [22:54]
benkay we installed one in a shop of mine once [22:54]
davout pankkake: haha i remember reading this article a while ago, awsum [22:54]
benkay we'd work until 8, 9 pm before realizing it was dark outside [22:54]
benkay shitloads of flux, tuned for summer spectrum [22:55]
pankkake ideally I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day [22:55]
benkay made me so dang happy! [22:55]
benkay had so much energy, it was amazing. [22:55]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:55]
pankkake like [22:55]
asciilifeform pankkake: I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day << submarine? [22:55]
asciilifeform or so i recall [22:56]
* pankkake adds submarine to wishlist [22:56]
benkay pankkake: i want to sleep in a completely-blacked out room that spins up the lights with the daylight. [22:56]
benkay that's the kind of home remodeling i can get into... [22:56]
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ThickAsThieves "Is there anything the Bitcoin Foundation can do to help solve this problem?" [22:57]
mircea_popescu maybe we could all get submarines [22:57]
mircea_popescu with hashing [22:57]
ThickAsThieves Karpeles: "The Bitcoin Foundation has hired Bitcoin Developers for the purpose of promoting Bitcoin use. I guess the most puzzling part is why this issue hasn’t be[en] solved since 2011." [22:57]
davout <<<< so much win [22:57]
ozbot Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen : ~4474.26BTC | Deep Dot Web [22:57]
mircea_popescu yeah it was up like two weeks [22:57]
Duffer1 who could have seen that coming [22:58]
Duffer1 :/ [22:58]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves "because they were saving it so karpeles could offer a "credible" lie as to why his well known fractional reserve scam blew open" ? [22:58]
asciilifeform seacoin. [22:58]
mircea_popescu funny tho, he couldn't find investors fast enough. [22:58]
mircea_popescu then the investors who he did find that didn't heed my "you will be butchered" warning got their fingers caught. [22:59]
mircea_popescu so much sadness everywhere. [22:59]
ThickAsThieves "First off, Facebook says that San Francisco residents have the smallest chance of getting into a relationship among people in any of the 50 largest American cities." [22:59]
asciilifeform [22:59]
ozbot Bank Zachodni WBK – Cashing out Bitcoin through Prepaid VISA Cards | Deep Dot Web [22:59]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:59]
asciilifeform at some point these folks will grow brains [22:59]
asciilifeform and do it right. [22:59]
Duffer1 "Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty." [23:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well... not these folks. but maybe some other folks. [23:00]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 "recently discovered in 2011" lolz. [23:00]
mircea_popescu trace that "vendor", it's them. [23:01]
mircea_popescu perfect excuse to the "we run off with teh coin" thing. much better than the used up "we were haxed" workhorse. [23:01]
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Duffer1 yea that's my thoughts [23:01]
mircea_popescu anyway, i guess it's time for a mtgox burial article. [23:01]
jborkl if you can not trust your two week old internet drug dealer-- what is next? [23:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086705 = 3.2948 BTC [-] [23:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.0008694 = 8.0272 BTC [+] {3} [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11567 @ 0.00087372 = 10.1063 BTC [+] [23:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04716666 = 0.283 BTC [-] {2} [23:11]
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benkay pretty astonishing number of coins hitting these mktplacen [23:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087343 = 9.6951 BTC [-] {2} [23:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.04614534 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {8} [23:27]
mircea_popescu !t h rent [23:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC) [23:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0472 = 2.3128 BTC [+] {2} [23:30]
mircea_popescu benkay i have my doubts 4k btc found their way to said dubious sr thing. [23:30]
mircea_popescu basically you have two unreconciliable "realities", and only one is real. [23:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 'strategic...' piece: DMA is an artifact from single-cpu days. [23:30]
mircea_popescu so it is [23:31]
mircea_popescu back then it was safe. [23:31]
asciilifeform solves the problem of 'how do i throw bits out (say,) the DAC, at X kHZ, regardless of what load OS is grunting under.' [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00087475 = 24.5367 BTC [+] {3} [23:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04896982 = 0.9794 BTC [+] {4} [23:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04870569 = 0.5845 BTC [-] {4} [23:33]
bloctoc I wonder how long it will take for the phrase "Silk Road" to replace the word "Al Quaida" as American Press' most feared thingy. [23:33]
asciilifeform nah, they'll just say 'wreckers' (or some suitably anglicised equivalent) and be done with it. [23:34]
mircea_popescu since im digging up the logs [23:34]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00295642 = 1.1826 BTC [-] {5} [23:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever happened? [23:35]
mircea_popescu what ? [23:35]
asciilifeform 'a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam'... [23:36]
asciilifeform or wrong link? [23:36]
mircea_popescu well not afaik [23:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04896983 = 1.0773 BTC [+] {2} [23:36]
mircea_popescu the problem with both of those being that they're not engineering terms. [23:36]
mircea_popescu ie, the appearance and the reality easily cleaves (a word is an engineering term if appearance and reality never cleave) [23:36]
asciilifeform true. [23:36]
mircea_popescu and the criterion is attached to the reality rather than the appearance. [23:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00282401 = 1.6944 BTC [-] {12} [23:37]
asciilifeform question should've been more specific: 'what if' a 'soviet clone' of mpex, that is, one which bows in agreement to all of the technical decisions. [23:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 907 @ 0.00040763 = 0.3697 BTC [-] {6} [23:38]
asciilifeform although at the time i asked this question, i was not fully aware of the 'birdlessness' of the field. [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04896984 = 1.4201 BTC [+] [23:38]
asciilifeform ('in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale') [23:38]
mircea_popescu indeed. [23:40]
mircea_popescu so... why not ? [23:40]
mircea_popescu because it's hard. [23:40]
asciilifeform right. [23:40]
mircea_popescu could a soviet soldier be replaced by any other man ? [23:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.04897985 = 0.8327 BTC [+] [23:40]
mircea_popescu sure, just as soon as that other man is willing to eat dog. [23:40]
mircea_popescu it's not hard in a technological sense, that's the easy part (even if it's what the emotion mill people seem to stumble over) [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002803 = 2.803 BTC [-] {4} [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04898712 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {2} [23:41]
mircea_popescu kind of what we're doing here, for that matter. trying to breed the sort of people that can compete with mpex. [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999993 = 1 BTC [+] [23:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0262 = 0.2358 BTC [-] [23:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00279843 = 8.3953 BTC [-] {7} [23:46]
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asciilifeform re: DMA: it, in itself, is not the problem. the problem, as always, is in the 'mouse-breeding kitchen' of the PC arch. in general. [23:47]
ThickAsThieves "We do respect your answer to this thread, but we do not like that you emidialty put your label "scammy" on our project." [23:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 168 @ 0.04999994 = 8.4 BTC [+] {2} [23:47]
Duffer1 does it ever stop? [23:49]
Duffer1 nevermind [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999995 = 0.2 BTC [+] [23:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039095 = 0.7819 BTC [-] {9} [23:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999995 = 0.55 BTC [+] [23:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999995 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0055 = 0.319 BTC [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.00038105 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2} [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999995 = 0.15 BTC [+] [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.00087297 = 6.6817 BTC [-] [23:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087067 = 19.9819 BTC [-] {2} [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.04999996 = 6.2 BTC [+] {3} [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999996 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.0756925 = 0.6055 BTC [-] {5} [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04999996 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3} [23:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.002798 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {3} [23:58]
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