Forum logs for 13 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

pankkake	I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself	[00:00]
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jurov	nice, can't he be hired? or is he already?	[00:00]
pankkake	I only know of my mother-side family history during the war	[00:01]
pankkake	I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	jurov send him to meet people all over france ?	[00:02]
jurov	not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s	[00:03]
pankkake	just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC	[00:03]
pankkake	what nonsense?	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	"omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me"	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains"	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: He pays you or you pay him?	[00:04]
pankkake	I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free	[00:04]
pankkake	he pays me	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer.	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him.	[00:05]
jurov	pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian	[00:05]
deadweasel	well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.	[00:05]
pankkake	tabernacle !	[00:05]
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punkman	you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris?	[00:06]
deadweasel	BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore.	[00:06]
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deadweasel	this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc.	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+]	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel apparently.	[00:07]
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mircea_popescu	punkman wrote some :)	[00:07]
davout	jurov: that sounds like fun	[00:07]
punkman	http://www.419eater.com/html/RoadToChadDarfur/	[00:07]
ozbot	The Road to Chad/Darfur	[00:07]
*	davout writes "impudent cocklet" down in his little insults book	[00:07]
mike_c	mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall.	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-]	[00:08]
davout	jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c maybe he's honing his skillzors.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 << this shit is so lulzy.	[00:12]
ozbot	ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison	[00:12]
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deadweasel	did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	no srsly, it is epic shit.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you should have a blog baby.	[00:16]
pankkake	I have a blog	[00:16]
pankkake	a dead blog	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	just saying, this stuff is the substance of blogging.	[00:17]
pankkake	yeah I have a few topics like that	[00:17]
pankkake	I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that	[00:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+]	[00:18]
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pankkake	Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot	[00:19]
pankkake	:(	[00:19]
kakobrekla	i think thesevend is missing on the table	[00:19]
mike_c	where is this lovefest taking place?	[00:19]
kakobrekla	theseven aka [7]	[00:19]
deadweasel	is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what?	[00:19]
pankkake	#activemining	[00:20]
deadweasel	ah, thx!	[00:20]
pankkake	theseven wasn't a willing participant	[00:20]
kakobrekla	nigga what?!	[00:20]
pankkake	I mean, not PR-wise	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	more like a naive participant i guess	[00:20]
pankkake	he was contracted for stuff, and named	[00:20]
*	[7] listens up	[00:21]
pankkake	:p	[00:21]
[7]	any labcoin news?	[00:21]
pankkake	not that I know	[00:21]
[7]	did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this?	[00:21]
Panadol_	pankkake parseval Perlboy pgp phish pingo pizzaman1337 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman	[00:22]
Panadol_	pankkake parseval Perlboy pgp phish pingo pizzaman1337 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	[7] nah, pankkake just made a nice summary thread	[00:22]
pankkake	there's an italian lawsuit it seems	[00:22]
pankkake	so maybe!	[00:22]
kakobrekla	AA is in china or somesuch anyways	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	it'd cost me nothing to do so	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	and nothing'd happen.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	eu lawsuits are quite different from us	[00:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-]	[00:23]
pankkake	well the guy's probably in italy	[00:23]
kakobrekla	naw	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5063595#msg5063595 << check out dr greg's withering retort!	[00:24]
ozbot	[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	i need to hire out vincent vega.	[00:24]
pankkake	what's so bad about dr greg anyway?	[00:25]
punkman	*bald	[00:25]
punkman	he could IPO that forehead	[00:25]
kakobrekla	can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock?	[00:25]
pankkake	lol	[00:25]
davout	LOL	[00:26]
pankkake	ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk	[00:26]
pankkake	and I'll be productive	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ahaha epic	[00:26]
pankkake	I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it	[00:26]
benkay	ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on btc.sx	[00:26]
pankkake	btcse.cx	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	he's that half-educated idiot.	[00:26]
pankkake	as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better…	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er.	[00:27]
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punkman	wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er?	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4}	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+]	[00:28]
benkay	pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the btc.sx scam	[00:29]
pankkake	that would have been better	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7}	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+]	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	punkman likely.	[00:29]
pankkake	I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	because see, reasons. and things.	[00:30]
benkay	no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord	[00:30]
pankkake	well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	was it for a foreheadectomy ?	[00:30]
pankkake	he promised low returns!	[00:30]
benkay	what were you thinking!	[00:31]
benkay	PIFF is the place for low returns!	[00:31]
pankkake	he left a nice comment about PIF too :)	[00:31]
benkay	you already own the low-returns market!	[00:31]
Jere_Jones	mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest?	[00:31]
benkay	oh he's nice	[00:31]
benkay	that's good. a sign of competence, being nice.	[00:32]
deadweasel	Jere_Jones: it's free, in the logs	[00:32]
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pankkake	I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]	[00:35]
kakobrekla	regulation	[00:35]
pankkake	i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account	[00:35]
pankkake	but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however	[00:36]
kakobrekla	at least for a fraction of the problem	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}	[00:36]
mike_c	general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted.	[00:37]
kakobrekla	hehe	[00:37]
kakobrekla	pankkake general public can use kickstarter :)	[00:37]
kakobrekla	same result, they get shit.	[00:37]
pankkake	indeed	[00:37]
pankkake	at least for the time being, as it's new	[00:38]
davout	pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested	[00:38]
pankkake	cool	[00:38]
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Mats_cd03	weak	[00:38]
mike_c	half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :)	[00:38]
kakobrekla	anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world	[00:39]
kakobrekla	its just you are not in #fiat-assets	[00:39]
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kakobrekla	and are totally missing out.	[00:39]
pankkake	lol, no I know there are	[00:39]
pankkake	and very similar ones than in btc	[00:39]
pankkake	actually, I was scammed by my banker	[00:39]
pankkake	first investment ever	[00:39]
pankkake	NATIXIS	[00:39]
pankkake	I was a poor student too	[00:40]
pankkake	lost 90% of its value	[00:40]
Asa9	w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP!	[00:41]
Asa9	er kakobrekla	[00:41]
Asa9	ty!	[00:41]
kakobrekla	you are very welcome	[00:41]
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kakobrekla	was it like in southpark "and its gone?"	[00:42]
pankkake	pretty much :/	[00:42]
Asa9	lol	[00:42]
pankkake	basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs	[00:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}	[00:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+]	[00:42]
pankkake	they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs	[00:43]
kakobrekla	i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net.	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-]	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]	[00:44]
kakobrekla	23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz	[00:44]
pankkake	I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood	[00:44]
pankkake	made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student)	[00:45]
pankkake	should have done the same with the bitcoin…	[00:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2}	[00:45]
kakobrekla	yea	[00:45]
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Mats_cd03	.mpoe	[00:49]
davout	pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee	[00:51]
pankkake	beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart	[00:53]
davout	do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble?	[00:53]
pankkake	maybe in gare du nord :p	[00:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2}	[00:58]
davout	pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	[17:59] WTS 50k ActM shares	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	[17:59] how much ThickAsThieves	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	[17:59] I only take ATC	[01:00]
pankkake	but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet	[01:00]
pankkake	lol	[01:00]
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pankkake	haha "which one"	[01:00]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis.	[01:03]
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pankkake	is there a reference I'm missing?	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know.	[01:04]
pankkake	oh, I know none	[01:05]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop	[01:07]
pankkake	well I'm not fighting	[01:07]
pankkake	so far always avoided it	[01:08]
Mats_cd03	scrub	[01:08]
mike_c	i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap	[01:08]
pankkake	hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it	[01:08]
pankkake	what would be the point?	[01:09]
Mats_cd03	Beating him up and getting away with it	[01:10]
Mats_cd03	Also a good work out	[01:10]
davout	pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all	[01:11]
pankkake	certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up	[01:11]
pankkake	the actual scam runners why not	[01:11]
BingoBoingo	Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit?	[01:11]
pankkake	human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ?	[01:12]
Shakespeare	cuz we have too many brains	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame.	[01:13]
pankkake	why?	[01:13]
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BingoBoingo	Looks like there aren't too many Altcoins on https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 standing between ATC and the moon.	[01:13]
pankkake	such spread	[01:13]
KRS-One	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9cS7LaEAYY	[01:13]
ozbot	tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ?	[01:13]
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pankkake	I don't think I know that one	[01:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]	[01:14]
Shakespeare	mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate."	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057051/	[01:14]
ozbot	Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb	[01:14]
pankkake	haha, looks awesome	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	they just need to sort out the website for it	[01:15]
KRS-One	<+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	lol Shakespeare	[01:16]
davout	mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	back when i was much younger i must confess	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere	[01:17]
Shakespeare	Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple?	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	mocked all the doods and felt up all the chiks	[01:17]
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mircea_popescu	the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois	[01:18]
Jere_Jones	mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	except we had a trunk full of heavy equipment	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	beat the shit out of the entire village youth	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	counted for a weekend trip	[01:18]
pankkake	Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones i guess that's one way to look at it.	[01:18]
benkay	!b 9	[01:19]
assbot	Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611022/plain/)	[01:19]
Jere_Jones	The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary.	[01:19]
Shakespeare	someone lied to me!	[01:19]
pankkake	or wikipedia lies	[01:20]
Shakespeare	Pretend I said Roy Orbison	[01:20]
pankkake	I liked the mistery though	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator.	[01:21]
Jere_Jones	I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do".	[01:21]
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mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway.	[01:21]
Shakespeare	this site has nice CSS http://www.famousbirthdays.com/	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	for instance, the link to http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ has been pasted by me here 3 times, and by others more times.	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]	[01:22]
Jere_Jones	I am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be.	[01:22]
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mircea_popescu	in it, you will find : "Much like “nobody knows how to make movies” was generally true in Hollywood, “nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses” is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into “so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike”. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	ow all the ways movies can’t be made. That’s what they’ve been doing with their years and the investors’ money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they can’t in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that it’s very expensive) knowledge ain’t got a prayer."	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	now, had you read that before or is it your first time ?	[01:22]
Jere_Jones	It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth.	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	ok but see ? that's the problem.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	this is given culture, it's a shared foundation.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing.	[01:24]
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Shakespeare	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits	[01:25]
ozbot	Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube	[01:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+]	[01:26]
Jere_Jones	I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	asking questions hurts nothing.	[01:26]
Shakespeare	these guys are nits	[01:26]
Shakespeare	nuts	[01:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00087172 = 6.381 BTC [+] {2}	[01:27]
Jere_Jones	Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the mywot.com site.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	the former.	[01:28]
davout	Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc	[01:28]
benkay	the former	[01:29]
benkay	http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php	[01:29]
Jere_Jones	Got it.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	Shakespeare no, you had it right the 1st time. nits.	[01:29]
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mircea_popescu	half a nitwit.	[01:29]
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jurov	beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again?	[01:30]
Jere_Jones	Damn. Too bad I lost my key.	[01:30]
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benkay	'tain't too late to spin up a new one.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath.	[01:31]
Jere_Jones	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=Jere_Jones	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ	[01:31]
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Jere_Jones	^ From my first bitcoin purchase	[01:31]
ozbot	#bitcoin-otc gpg key data	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there.	[01:32]
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mircea_popescu	like say bitcoin.	[01:32]
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jurov	hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ?	[01:34]
jurov	should get my nightly glass of wine	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	ya re-0read the whole thing lol	[01:35]
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deadweasel	holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan	[01:37]
jurov	still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk	[01:37]
deadweasel	pushing*	[01:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	you ever been to a rural disco ?	[01:38]
jurov	ah now it clicked	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	:)	[01:39]
jurov	one has just imagine being in their skin	[01:39]
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davout	tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu	[01:40]
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davout	but evil can be fun heh	[01:40]
jurov	why evil? they deserve it	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	davout no argument.	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/12/2157234/utopia-silk-roads-latest-replacement-only-lasted-nine-days	[01:42]
ozbot	Utopia, Silk Road's Latest Replacement, Only Lasted Nine Days - Slashdot	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	im an evil motherfucker.	[01:42]
davout	if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation	[01:42]
jurov	BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized	[01:42]
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davout	but like i said that can be fun	[01:43]
benkay	grownup trolling.	[01:43]
davout	s/evil/weak/	[01:43]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly.	[01:43]
davout	benkay: exactly	[01:43]
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davout	benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually	[01:43]
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BingoBoingo	Related to the Utopia bust http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-biggest-bullshit-job-titles-in-tech-1521536472/@sarah-hedgecock	[01:44]
benkay	something like that	[01:44]
BingoBoingo	Moare hedge c0k	[01:44]
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benkay	man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	benkay you should just go to an orgy already.	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4300 @ 0.00015044 = 0.6469 BTC [-] {8}	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring	[01:46]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[01:47]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611105/plain/)	[01:47]
benkay	yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either	[01:50]
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benkay	but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest	[01:51]
benkay	surely you know the routine	[01:51]
benkay	chase? hunt.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	the solution to the 'idiot X pays Q btc for fistfight' is: pay idiot Y, R btc, to present himself for fistfight to idiot X, where R < Q.	[01:52]
asciilifeform	pocket the difference, and watch.	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	^^	[01:53]
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jurov	that's basically what i suggested to davout	[01:53]
asciilifeform	this is not deep science.	[01:53]
jurov	but seems he's too cultured to arrange that	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread	[01:54]
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asciilifeform	fistcoin.	[01:54]
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davout	asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits	[01:55]
davout	jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it	[01:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07318 = 0.3659 BTC [-] {3}	[01:55]
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pankkake	I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight	[01:57]
pankkake	I wouln't bet on me	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	benkay i dunno dood, i never chase.	[01:58]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro.	[01:58]
jurov	they don't american football in fr	[01:59]
davout	we rugby baby	[01:59]
pankkake	we call them rugbymen	[01:59]
jurov	i stand corrected	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg	[02:00]
davout	helmets are for faggots	[02:00]
pankkake	it's not the same	[02:00]
pankkake	exactly	[02:00]
pankkake	no protection	[02:00]
davout	on concrete	[02:00]
pankkake	:D	[02:00]
davout	only in winter	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos	[02:00]
jurov	and theatrical injuries	[02:00]
jurov	and false rape claims	[02:00]
jurov	er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers	[02:01]
davout	funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars	[02:01]
davout	jurov: pilolz	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ?	[02:02]
jurov	certainly. but nobody is allowed to know	[02:02]
davout	mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries	[02:02]
pankkake	is that why monaco is doing so well this year?	[02:03]
pankkake	I haven't followed the details	[02:03]
davout	pankkake: i don't really follow soccer	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep	[02:03]
davout	mircea_popescu: explain the difference	[02:04]
pankkake	yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax: http://www.lefigaro.fr/sport-business/2013/12/13/20006-20131213ARTFIG00394-l-as-monaco-n-echappera-pas-a-la-taxe-a-75.php	[02:04]
pankkake	uh	[02:04]
pankkake	wrong	[02:04]
pankkake	well, it does, the URL is wrong	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=461080.0	[02:04]
davout	no the URL says "n'échappera pas"	[02:04]
ozbot	[Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	"It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, "	[02:04]
pankkake	but the title say it escapes :)	[02:04]
davout	pankkake: oh wait	[02:04]
pankkake	confusing!	[02:04]
davout	pankkake: you're right	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc	[02:05]
pankkake	so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1 http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/ligue-1-classement.html	[02:05]
davout	funny you mention that,	[02:05]
davout	i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance	[02:06]
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davout	I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter	[02:07]
BingoBoingo	davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days	[02:07]
deadweasel	i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures.	[02:08]
davout	"oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank"	[02:08]
pankkake	light greylisting removed most of my spam	[02:08]
pankkake	so only crappy botnets still spam :p	[02:08]
davout	BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too	[02:08]
BingoBoingo	davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now.	[02:09]
davout	that sounds like a sensible explanation	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	" Le ministre délégué au Budget"	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	check out the shit france has.	[02:10]
BingoBoingo	I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then.	[02:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3}	[02:11]
jurov	BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets	[02:11]
jurov	that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool	[02:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21}	[02:13]
davout	mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ?	[02:13]
davout	incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong	[02:13]
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BingoBoingo	jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing	[02:13]
pankkake	Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique	[02:14]
pankkake	decentralisation !	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ?	[02:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20}	[02:14]
davout	mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement	[02:14]
jurov	Fleur Pellerin,	[02:14]
jurov	ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif,	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	fuck that, nue but denudement	[02:14]
davout	denuement means poverty	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	wtf is with this language.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	;;google fille nue	[02:15]
gribble	Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: ; Fille Nue - YouTube: ; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...:	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	yeah them bitches look poor	[02:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2}	[02:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]	[02:21]
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TestingUnoDosTre	can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat?	[02:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58}	[02:22]
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asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/02/kiriakou-14-0202.pdf	[02:23]
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benkay	death to the tyrant	[02:28]
benkay	cascadia now	[02:28]
pankkake	does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music?	[02:29]
benkay	there is no movement.	[02:29]
benkay	except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	lots of cooties infections ?	[02:30]
benkay	?	[02:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2}	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country.	[02:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5}	[02:32]
pankkake	sex is probably too mainstream for them	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	there is that.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh.	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2}	[02:33]
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pankkake	http://coinmarketcap.com/ dogecoin now number 4	[02:34]
benkay	for clarity - there is no movement.	[02:34]
punkman	wink wink	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	after alt ?!	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs,	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	ripple total net worth is about -$400	[02:35]
pankkake	last trade * total units. like mpoe :)	[02:36]
benkay	that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat"	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	mpoe actually stands for something.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol	[02:36]
benkay	repression of the people, iirc.	[02:37]
benkay	'my feeelingsssss'	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	Sexcoin $ 539,512	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	gimme a break.	[02:37]
benkay	well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	LottoCoin $ 710,196	[02:37]
benkay	that'd entail knowing what slippage is	[02:37]
pankkake	ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ?	[02:37]
benkay	good luck selling any.	[02:38]
punkman	oh CMC now has two pages of coins	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	Bitgem $ 246,833	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	when you could just make a gem and buy a house	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[02:38]
Shakespeare	so if ATC is .00000529	[02:38]
Shakespeare	then we're almost at $1m	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	CraftCoin $ 56,614	[02:38]
Shakespeare	for all the coins ever	[02:38]
pankkake	;;calc 16763512.00000529	[02:39]
gribble	45.40225024	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off.	[02:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16}	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market.	[02:39]
TestingUnoDosTre	junkcoin $328,000	[02:39]
asciilifeform	unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat'	[02:40]
asciilifeform	unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?)	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors"	[02:40]
punkman	if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced	[02:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+]	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	it's merely a transfer towards the issuer.	[02:40]
asciilifeform	quite the opposite	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage	[02:41]
TestingUnoDosTre	wait what?	[02:41]
Shakespeare	"Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time."	[02:41]
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Shakespeare	thats what coinmarketcap wants	[02:41]
Shakespeare	as part of listing requirements	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-]	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	and basically you could put whatever in there	[02:41]
asciilifeform	benjamin costs >100 usd to make?	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform most bills are 20s	[02:41]
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asciilifeform	and they cost >20?	[02:42]
pankkake	they support openex?	[02:42]
Shakespeare	dunno	[02:42]
Shakespeare	i can try	[02:42]
Shakespeare	but need url	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	cause of all the security elements asciilifeform	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	the only way to keep people from counterfitting them	[02:42]
pankkake	I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	and i do mean MAKE	[02:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4}	[02:42]
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pankkake	number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily /	[02:43]
asciilifeform	last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK)	[02:43]
TestingUnoDosTre	Im not entirely convinved	[02:43]
pankkake	I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect	[02:43]
pankkake	well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool"	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-100-bill-costs-60-more-to-produce-2013-10-08	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	nm, i eat cocks.	[02:43]
pankkake	!b 1	[02:43]
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asciilifeform	i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it	[02:44]
pankkake	how anonymous is cash?	[02:44]
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pankkake	if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further?	[02:45]
Shakespeare	that's how USD gets value, cost to print it	[02:45]
asciilifeform	pankkake: if someone cares to.	[02:45]
Shakespeare	also USD is not inflationary	[02:45]
punkman	maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers	[02:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]	[02:45]
Shakespeare	there is a fnite amount	[02:45]
Shakespeare	just dunno what yet	[02:45]
Shakespeare	still mining it	[02:46]
benkay	buuuuwaaaaaaat	[02:46]
asciilifeform	Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456252.msg5043968#msg5043968	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	check out that title.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	"World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs"	[02:46]
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TestingUnoDosTre	TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill	[02:47]
asciilifeform	punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.'	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm.	[02:48]
Shakespeare	Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how.	[02:48]
Shakespeare	Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me	[02:49]
Shakespeare	all the rooms are full, end of story	[02:49]
asciilifeform	electric theft involves considerably less physical labour.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	(e.g. 'carding')	[02:49]
asciilifeform	when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it	[02:50]
punkman	for or all we know, we are awash in fakes	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip.	[02:50]
benkay	another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking you're best served by going the other way	[02:50]
asciilifeform	the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue.	[02:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2}	[02:50]
benkay	"90% of your 20s are made in NK"	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank	[02:51]
TestingUnoDosTre	what is this carding you speak of?	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	there's really no difference	[02:51]
asciilifeform	'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money	[02:51]
Shakespeare	pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that	[02:52]
asciilifeform	to those who can process them industrially.	[02:52]
asciilifeform	using tame banks.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	so then there's exactly no difference.	[02:52]
pankkake	it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time	[02:53]
pankkake	so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily	[02:53]
asciilifeform	correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	adjust it once a month or w/e	[02:53]
pankkake	actually… does your hosting allow php or something?	[02:53]
Shakespeare	yes	[02:53]
Shakespeare	i have it on namecheap	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business.	[02:54]
asciilifeform	'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it.	[02:54]
pankkake	ok, cool, writing now	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	how do banks profit from carding ?	[02:54]
asciilifeform	'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants.	[02:54]
asciilifeform	they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	but that'd be visa and mastercard	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	wich aren't banks	[02:55]
asciilifeform	ah, yes.	[02:55]
asciilifeform	they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked...	[02:56]
asciilifeform	the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line	[02:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3}	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	large merchants are immune to chargebacks.	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	(actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_	[02:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2}	[02:58]
punkman	the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions	[02:58]
asciilifeform	yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop.	[02:58]
punkman	not Visa/Mastercard	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	Visa processes, what are you talking about ?	[02:58]
punkman	Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale	[02:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share	[03:00]
asciilifeform	fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)	[03:00]
punkman	mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiring_bank	[03:00]
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asciilifeform	instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.'	[03:02]
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decimation	I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only	[03:03]
asciilifeform	incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM.	[03:04]
asciilifeform	(i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.)	[03:05]
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decimation	Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA?	[03:05]
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asciilifeform	decimation: probably. but not economically.	[03:06]
asciilifeform	one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail	[03:06]
decimation	It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance	[03:06]
asciilifeform	these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves.	[03:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+]	[03:07]
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decimation	No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him?	[03:07]
asciilifeform	i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $.	[03:08]
asciilifeform	then 'prove you're not a camel.'	[03:08]
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pankkake	banks sue people who explain how easy carding is	[03:08]
asciilifeform	so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it.	[03:09]
asciilifeform	(how?)	[03:09]
pankkake	"Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case."	[03:10]
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asciilifeform	these are a dime a dozen.	[03:10]
asciilifeform	like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts.	[03:10]
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herbijudlestoids	hullo kids	[03:11]
asciilifeform	(at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder)	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. "	[03:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 7.41147624 BTC to 19`467 shares, 38072 satoshi per share	[03:12]
asciilifeform	pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining.	[03:12]
punkman	when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	o look, it's a herbijudlestoids	[03:13]
asciilifeform	btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter.	[03:14]
decimation	The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system	[03:14]
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mircea_popescu	decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state.	[03:15]
herbijudlestoids	i been sick as a fucken dog	[03:15]
herbijudlestoids	no work done this week :(	[03:15]
herbijudlestoids	on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer	[03:15]
herbijudlestoids	im riech biech	[03:15]
asciilifeform	prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close.	[03:15]
decimation	well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	http://www.parodie.com/english/smartcard.htm < why is this named parodie.com	[03:15]
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asciilifeform	'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer.	[03:16]
decimation	ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler	[03:16]
asciilifeform	and yet it is SOP now.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	most of the new cards have it.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy.	[03:17]
decimation	There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin'	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ?	[03:17]
asciilifeform	something like that.	[03:18]
asciilifeform	'circumvention device !1!!'	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i see great future for the fiat system.	[03:18]
decimation	As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points"	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	confederate money still have some value.	[03:19]
decimation	it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats	[03:20]
herbijudlestoids	just going through the log	[03:20]
herbijudlestoids	isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512?	[03:20]
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mircea_popescu	yes it is.	[03:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2}	[03:21]
mike_c	for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon.	[03:21]
asciilifeform	http://books.google.com/books?id=wdN0AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT26&dq=kerensky	[03:21]
herbijudlestoids	so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially?	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	"good for one fuck" nudie party tokens.	[03:22]
herbijudlestoids	here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally.... http://imgur.com/46vH0ZV,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	"good for one spin" casino chips	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	etc	[03:22]
kakobrekla	i think you can use blockr api for altcoin	[03:23]
decimation	sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity	[03:23]
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mircea_popescu	a, that.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool.	[03:24]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at?	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	vwap	[03:24]
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herbijudlestoids	so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess	[03:25]
decimation	I have a small collection of Weimar Marks	[03:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5}	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	funny how ?	[03:26]
herbijudlestoids	its got that huge gap	[03:26]
herbijudlestoids	also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on mpex.co	[03:26]
herbijudlestoids	definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared	[03:27]
decimation	ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin	[03:27]
asciilifeform	"You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand	[03:28]
asciilifeform	-ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed."	[03:28]
decimation	indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note	[03:28]
decimation	it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4}	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop	[03:31]
asciilifeform	"... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th	[03:31]
asciilifeform	en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l	[03:31]
asciilifeform	ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."	[03:31]
decimation	it's the biggest scam going	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all.	[03:34]
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decimation	One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard?	[03:34]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one	[03:34]
asciilifeform	i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1.	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems)	[03:35]
asciilifeform	for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard.	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities.	[03:36]
decimation	I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right.	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	(for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth)	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ?	[03:38]
decimation	well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded	[03:38]
asciilifeform	"To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov)	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	decimation except it wouldn't be state funded.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all.	[03:39]
decimation	ok; that's even worse	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck).	[03:40]
decimation	why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania?	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D	[03:40]
decimation	Indeed.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	because hey, it's a golden opportunity.	[03:41]
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benkay	plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	plus that.	[03:41]
asciilifeform	i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose.	[03:42]
decimation	Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere?	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation nope.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	but you should write it, save me the trouble.	[03:42]
decimation	You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers.	[03:43]
decimation	well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works	[03:43]
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BingoBoingo	AH, sorry eye lag, vodka	[03:43]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all.	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	At least not as I understand problem and BTC code	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago.	[03:45]
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benkay	decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol?	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	The problem is Derp php coders making website.	[03:47]
benkay	hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay?	[03:47]
benkay	it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang.	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	benkay: PHP is great for what it does well.	[03:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6}	[03:47]
decimation	I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code	[03:47]
benkay	nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is)	[03:48]
benkay	besides	[03:49]
pankkake	Pee Hash Pee	[03:49]
benkay	THERE IS NO FORMAL DEFINITION OF THE NETWORK PROTOCOL	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[03:50]
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decimation	after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	start small, do it in 3rd first.	[03:51]
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benkay	herp.	[03:51]
decimation	heh	[03:51]
benkay	lisp zeroth	[03:51]
benkay	decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays	[03:51]
benkay	http://www.greenarraychips.com/	[03:51]
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decimation	I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: http://www.forthfreak.net/jsforth.html	[03:52]
decimation	I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-]	[03:52]
benkay	baw haw haw javascript anything i cry	[03:53]
decimation	yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy	[03:53]
decimation	I saw that greenarrays stuff	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in)	[03:54]
decimation	ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol.	[03:55]
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decimation	true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools.	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background.	[03:57]
pankkake	I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la https://xkcd.com/353/	[03:57]
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Azelphur	Python programmer as day job, can confirm.	[03:57]
benkay	if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	benkay by thinking people.	[03:58]
benkay	there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns	[03:58]
benkay	and then there's blockchain validation	[03:59]
decimation	these can and ought to be split into modules	[03:59]
pankkake	http://protocoin.readthedocs.org/	[03:59]
benkay	indeed	[03:59]
benkay	(outta my face - where's the source?!?!)	[04:00]
benkay	in any event	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	http://xkcd.com/276/	[04:00]
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herbijudlestoids	@276	[04:00]
benkay	i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into	[04:01]
benkay	what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	sounds about right.	[04:01]
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benkay	it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger	[04:02]
benkay	or it would be if anyone would write it	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2014/2/12/mold-destroys-600000-library-books/	[04:03]
mike_c	it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great.	[04:03]
decimation	yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it.	[04:04]
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mike_c	what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it.	[04:05]
mike_c	take the blockchain validator for instance.	[04:05]
benkay	i'd rather take the network client actually	[04:05]
benkay	state: init	[04:06]
benkay	transition to state: exchange version messages	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D	[04:06]
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benkay	transition to state: getblocks \| state: getaddrs	[04:07]
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mike_c	yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner.	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79 Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what'd be the alternative ?	[04:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012542 = 1.1288 BTC [-] {8}	[04:09]
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mike_c	it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ?	[04:10]
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mircea_popescu	it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not.	[04:11]
benkay	^^	[04:11]
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mike_c	any program can be thought of that way.	[04:12]
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mircea_popescu	indeed.	[04:12]
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decimation	mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC	[04:33]
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mircea_popescu2	da fuck i just been targetted	[04:33]
mircea_popescu2	i ended up having to connect by ip because chat.freenode.net for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip	[04:34]
herbijudlestoids	~60k to ~1k	[04:35]
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mike_c	yeah, me too.	[04:38]
mike_c	let's get some PEP's in here.	[04:38]
herbijudlestoids	decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint	[04:38]
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mircea_popescu2	that was trippy	[04:53]
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MisterE	the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use	[04:53]
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michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[04:54]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ?	[04:54]
MisterE	:P	[04:54]
MisterE	nobody / arrogance	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[04:54]
mike_c	http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/	[04:55]
MisterE	anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored	[04:55]
ozbot	Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:55]
benkay	oh you decided on PEPs did you?	[04:55]
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benkay	^^ mike_c	[04:55]
mike_c	2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin	[04:55]
mike_c	benkay: yes. need the why more than the how.	[04:55]
benkay	mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal?	[04:56]
mike_c	yes	[04:56]
asciilifeform	ok what's this talk of state machines ?	[04:56]
benkay	no man bitcoin is in feature freeze	[04:56]
mike_c	feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :)	[04:56]
benkay	asciilifeform!	[04:56]
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asciilifeform	benkay: here i am	[04:57]
benkay	for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing	[04:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00087086 = 29.9576 BTC [+]	[04:57]
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asciilifeform	sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise.	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	Oh, davout's gone.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	mike_c lol	[04:59]
B007	I'm soooo hungry	[04:59]
MisterE	pizza!	[04:59]
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mircea_popescu	for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first	[04:59]
asciilifeform	'rotary debugger.'	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality	[04:59]
mike_c	my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale.	[04:59]
B007	mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have	[04:59]
B007	don't lie	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	B007 some.	[05:00]
MisterE	thats not polite	[05:00]
MisterE	how rich / poor are you?	[05:00]
B007	poor	[05:00]
B007	and you?	[05:00]
Mats_cd03	jurov: beep	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight.	[05:00]
MisterE	in debt :/	[05:00]
B007	yeah	[05:01]
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B007	school?	[05:01]
MisterE	naah worse, health	[05:01]
mike_c	fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up.	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao	[05:01]
asciilifeform	mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation.	[05:01]
asciilifeform	with no sharp edges.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	^	[05:01]
MisterE	:p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	we can have that novel written sometime in 2050	[05:02]
mike_c	but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/TomHoepfner/status/431739694250856448 << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D	[05:02]
ozbot	Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ...	[05:02]
mike_c	both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient.	[05:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code.	[05:03]
mike_c	and less important while we are applying our limited resources.	[05:03]
B007	http://ponzi.io/	[05:03]
B007	lol	[05:03]
mike_c	hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride.	[05:04]
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BingoBoingo	MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite.	[05:04]
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MisterE	:P it is still irc afterall	[05:04]
MisterE	too bad I missed out on the ponzi	[05:05]
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B007	I hope no btc is in ur mom	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way.	[05:05]
MisterE	if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d	[05:05]
mike_c	the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job.	[05:05]
MisterE	hmm good point	[05:06]
B007	anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH	[05:06]
MisterE	I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture.	[05:07]
MisterE	they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but...	[05:07]
asciilifeform	MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable.	[05:07]
MisterE	yea I recon so	[05:08]
B007	wtf is a laundry maker	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	B007: A sharpie in American terms.	[05:08]
MisterE	marker*	[05:08]
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B007	oh a marker	[05:09]
B007	lol	[05:09]
MisterE	:p	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper	[05:09]
B007	nah	[05:09]
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BingoBoingo	B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there.	[05:10]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful.	[05:10]
B007	or it will be morthles	[05:11]
mike_c	*something like	[05:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-]	[05:11]
B007	*worthless	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever.	[05:11]
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mircea_popescu	basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised	[05:11]
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BingoBoingo	B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary.	[05:11]
B007	mircea_popescu: where is my money	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ?	[05:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+]	[05:12]
mike_c	yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation.	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other.	[05:12]
mike_c	ok, i've beaten this horse.	[05:12]
asciilifeform	the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation,	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	but of a definite one.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	something natural language will never be.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	the way one understands a kalashnikov.	[05:13]
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asciilifeform	(what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.)	[05:14]
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MisterE	mike_c: at this point in time I agree	[05:14]
asciilifeform	'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid.	[05:15]
MisterE	eventualy you have to ship	[05:15]
asciilifeform	and never as a substitute for mechanics.	[05:15]
mike_c	yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	this is science, we're describing an actual real process.	[05:15]
asciilifeform	the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself.	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work	[05:16]
mike_c	you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots.	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ?	[05:17]
mike_c	the fricking white paper came before the code	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction.	[05:17]
asciilifeform	we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it.	[05:17]
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asciilifeform	and parts held together with tape.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded.	[05:17]
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mike_c	asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top.	[05:18]
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BingoBoingo	I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links	[05:18]
asciilifeform	mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way.	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	why does it have to be an either anyway ?	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	you know the bridges joke ?	[05:19]
mike_c	it does not and should not.	[05:19]
mike_c	only the bridge builder one	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	yea that.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	if they meet, you got your bridge	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	if they don't, i guess you get two	[05:19]
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mike_c	hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder	[05:20]
asciilifeform	birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm'	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges.	[05:21]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest.	[05:22]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water.	[05:24]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point.	[05:24]
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mircea_popescu	well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech	[05:25]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.examiner.com/article/it-was-the-best-of-times-it-was-the-blurst-of-times-throwing-out-your-first-chapter	[05:36]
ozbot	It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING,	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	sequels are spelled seqeuls,	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was.	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	i read something about hemmingway today	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	...	[05:37]
herbijudlestoids	http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-the-cia-turned-american-literature-into-a-content-farm	[05:38]
ozbot	The CIA Helped Build the Content Farm That Churns Out American Literature \| Motherboard	[05:38]
BingoBoingo	I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch	[05:38]
herbijudlestoids	not specifically him but yea	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel"	[05:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]	[05:39]
herbijudlestoids	in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"?	[05:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	and the middle.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids nah, idle.	[05:40]
herbijudlestoids	kk	[05:40]
mike_c	no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code.	[05:40]
pankkake	what about the Go implementation?	[05:41]
mike_c	who has nothing to do the rest of the year?	[05:41]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: How good are you at K&R C?	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	mike_c life.	[05:41]
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herbijudlestoids	i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree	[05:42]
herbijudlestoids	for if it was good we would not be having this discussion	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.	[05:43]
pankkake	the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/	[05:43]
pankkake	just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement	[05:44]
herbijudlestoids	and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable?	[05:44]
herbijudlestoids	from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code?	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess?	[05:45]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly.	[05:45]
herbijudlestoids	s/chees/chess	[05:45]
herbijudlestoids	but i really enjoy playing	[05:45]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text?	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose"	[05:45]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off	[05:46]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	SAFELY and etc.	[05:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[05:47]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld.	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color?	[05:49]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: not particularly...is this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner?	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin.	[05:49]
pankkake	herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting.	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober.	[05:51]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly now...you want someone with more free time :)	[05:51]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails?	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now.	[05:52]
herbijudlestoids	i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	;;coin	[05:52]
gribble	tails	[05:52]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk?	[05:52]
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mircea_popescu	i guess you're not man enough for it.	[05:53]
herbijudlestoids	maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment.	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids right.	[05:54]
herbijudlestoids	would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0?	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids how much ?	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying.	[05:55]
herbijudlestoids	i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer	[05:55]
herbijudlestoids	sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex	[05:55]
herbijudlestoids	not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks	[05:55]
herbijudlestoids	dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000	[05:56]
benkay	mike_c: are you satisfied with the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the	[05:56]
benkay	computation itself.	[05:56]
benkay	?	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded.	[05:57]
herbijudlestoids	ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly	[05:57]
herbijudlestoids	we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value	[05:57]
benkay	hell no	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small.	[05:58]
benkay	BingoBoingo ^^	[05:58]
mike_c	benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :)	[05:58]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds	[05:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-]	[05:58]
herbijudlestoids	since you guys all love the fucken WoT	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin?	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that.	[05:59]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating?	[05:59]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin	[05:59]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE?	[06:00]
BingoBoingo	Any S.NSA or S.BBET?	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	he has some mpoe graphs...	[06:00]
herbijudlestoids	so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT	[06:00]
KRS-One	haha	[06:01]
herbijudlestoids	i couldve just taken a no :)	[06:01]
mike_c	s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	you'll need moar.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	$vwap s.nsa	[06:01]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282	[06:01]
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BingoBoingo	After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	ahaha 645 srsly ?!	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening	[06:02]
moiety	hihi :)	[06:03]
KRS-One	of course becase there isnt any demand or volume	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though	[06:03]
KRS-One	I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi...	[06:03]
coingenuity	sup mircea_popescu	[06:03]
mike_c	10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	coingenuity same old.	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers.	[06:04]
coingenuity	i feel ya	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then	[06:04]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?>	[06:04]
mike_c	herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ?	[06:04]
moiety	i are having stupid question moment. halps?	[06:04]
benkay	mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing.	[06:05]
coingenuity	BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	moiety shoot	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	benkay totally nobody;s using it.	[06:05]
moiety	you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious)	[06:05]
benkay	moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window?	[06:06]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: win or lin?	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Windows?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	yes you may.	[06:06]
moiety	omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?!	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I thought you moved past Windows.	[06:06]
moiety	thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window	[06:06]
moiety	no, never got to linuxing	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	even windows isn't apple.	[06:06]
moiety	i only just found ctrl alt shift!	[06:07]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then.	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client	[06:07]
mike_c	benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation.	[06:07]
asciilifeform	probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string)	[06:07]
moiety	i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet	[06:08]
moiety	and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that.	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo	[06:08]
herbijudlestoids	people still use bitchx?	[06:08]
moiety	check me oot with ma two wee cmds!	[06:08]
moiety	well, i had been wondering about bsd	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	what was the cmd bomb for windows ?	[06:09]
herbijudlestoids	cmd bomb?	[06:09]
asciilifeform	he probably meant fork bomb	[06:09]
coingenuity	mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[06:09]
asciilifeform	http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/82-windows-fork-bomb-crash-windows-in-5-seconds	[06:10]
moiety	c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu	[06:10]
asciilifeform	etc	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	ty	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You ever play chess?	[06:10]
asciilifeform	on occasion.	[06:10]
asciilifeform	i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go.	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation?	[06:10]
asciilifeform	certainly.	[06:11]
moiety	has anyone tried chess 2?	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	I could use a loss	[06:11]
moiety	play me then BingoBoingo	[06:11]
asciilifeform	can't guarantee a loss	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand?	[06:11]
asciilifeform	i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep.	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Heads or tails?	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Works for me.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	tails.	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	;;coin	[06:12]
gribble	tails	[06:12]
pankkake	WHAT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.0	[06:12]
*	mircea_popescu o/s gribble	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	pankkake scam	[06:13]
moiety	hahaha i love gribble more every day	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Troll the imposter coin.	[06:13]
moiety	i really can't play very well BingoBoingo	[06:13]
asciilifeform	pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway	[06:13]
asciilifeform	no crapartist seems to resist those	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk.	[06:13]
herbijudlestoids	i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	cause gold is valuable.	[06:14]
moiety	you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win!	[06:14]
moiety	unless its on a crackhead	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids welcome to the club.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	i've not understood it a year and a half later.	[06:14]
herbijudlestoids	its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin	[06:14]
herbijudlestoids	gg	[06:14]
pankkake	it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	moiety: White or black	[06:15]
herbijudlestoids	pankkake: yea exactly.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	"Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as Cex.io are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose."	[06:15]
moiety	either you choose	[06:15]
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mircea_popescu	derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ?	[06:15]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black)	[06:15]
pankkake	I remember when deepbit was the big bad	[06:15]
asciilifeform	the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining.	[06:15]
asciilifeform	i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies	[06:15]
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asciilifeform	or their phriends	[06:15]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that	[06:15]
herbijudlestoids	they feel that ASICS are "unfair"	[06:16]
herbijudlestoids	and that anyone should be able to mine some coins	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	that's precisely the thing. warm body rights.	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	phriends, are people still making blue boxes?	[06:16]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: they would if they could.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far	[06:17]
herbijudlestoids	i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable.	[06:17]
moiety	i'll be white bingo :)	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	moiety: K, it is your move.	[06:17]
asciilifeform	"Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	\| 33554432 \| 4 GB \| 22864142697 \| Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT \| \|	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha EPIC shit.	[06:18]
BingoBoingo	"The Gods Must be Crazy"	[06:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2}	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694	[06:18]
herbijudlestoids	glegh	[06:18]
pankkake	if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you	[06:19]
moiety	i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see	[06:19]
asciilifeform	eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away.	[06:19]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: http://www.mark-weeks.com/aboutcom/images/ble21alg.gif	[06:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there.	[06:20]
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moiety	aw yiss, thank you herbi :D	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg5107020#msg5107020	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	"Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum."	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles.	[06:23]
pankkake	fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config"	[06:23]
asciilifeform	still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'.	[06:23]
pankkake	basically, properly configured seed nodes	[06:23]
asciilifeform	i mean, if we're going to collide names...	[06:23]
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pankkake	altcoins expectations are low	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140212%2Ffjnk6mru.png&t=537&c=OROVgYkaPEIyYg	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin	[06:23]
asciilifeform	beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	. Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!'	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	The Turd Bitcoin	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	(accidental typo)	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	Dev, correct start page,	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	2^36 = 68,719,476,736	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	So could you specify again, how many coins total ?	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	this shit's pretty good	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	the little error is well... some billions.	[06:25]
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asciilifeform	that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy.	[06:25]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume	[06:26]
asciilifeform	(vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...)	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid	[06:26]
herbijudlestoids	i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins	[06:27]
moiety	BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	K, d7-d6	[06:27]
herbijudlestoids	what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work.	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	freenet? maori like failnet.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	link some examples of trollage to shit will you	[06:28]
moiety	BingoBoingo: b2 to b3	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	Cause Whales of fail.	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	Nf6	[06:28]
asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit'	[06:28]
pankkake	did bitcloud produce any code?	[06:28]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz www.reddit.com/r/bitcloud/comments/1xlwp5/bitcloud_prefers_hype_to_work/	[06:28]
asciilifeform	asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked.	[06:28]
asciilifeform	(i.e. serious mathematical advance)	[06:29]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto.	[06:29]
herbijudlestoids	s/ASCI/ASIC	[06:29]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	learn to keep logs they be important	[06:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'!	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process"	[06:30]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet.	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	epic.	[06:30]
pankkake	java :(	[06:30]
pankkake	actually, it's mostly usuability issues	[06:31]
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BingoBoingo	Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids	[06:31]
pankkake	0530 pankkake> java :(	[06:31]
pankkake	0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues	[06:31]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: sure :)	[06:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+]	[06:31]
herbijudlestoids	pankkake: and when was the last time you used it?	[06:31]
pankkake	2 years ago I think	[06:31]
herbijudlestoids	lel	[06:31]
pankkake	I really like the darknet/opennet approach	[06:31]
moiety	BingoBoingo: c2 - c3	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ?	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	try it out then, lots of recent improvements	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	holy shit then there's no trolling there	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	well, except Javier the douchenozzle	[06:32]
herbijudlestoids	i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll	[06:33]
herbijudlestoids	troll him all day	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	moiety: g6	[06:33]
herbijudlestoids	then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life	[06:33]
pankkake	herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me!	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	trolling idiots is meaningful now ?	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ?	[06:33]
herbijudlestoids	nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom	[06:34]
herbijudlestoids	if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise	[06:35]
pankkake	but how much time does that cost you?	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	so ddosing idiots now.	[06:35]
asciilifeform	'...but the pig will enjoy it.'	[06:35]
herbijudlestoids	not all the idiots	[06:35]
herbijudlestoids	just the ones that really get my grill	[06:35]
herbijudlestoids	anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do	[06:36]
herbijudlestoids	he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P	[06:36]
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herbijudlestoids	although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him	[06:36]
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pankkake	I'm tired of all the nonprojects	[06:37]
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pankkake	since diaspora	[06:37]
nubbins`	have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops?	[06:37]
pankkake	don't think so	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah eyah you did	[06:37]
herbijudlestoids	pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh	[06:37]
nubbins`	she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed	[06:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes.	[06:38]
moiety	bingoboingo: wut	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	diaspora meets any.	[06:38]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I moved pawn g6	[06:38]
nubbins`	^ heh, a challenger approaches!	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	Cause I'm fly like a g6	[06:39]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	sounds sensible.	[06:40]
BingoBoingo	They nevar did that to me.	[06:40]
BingoBoingo	Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb	[06:40]
herbijudlestoids	pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p!	[06:40]
herbijudlestoids	im grateful for that	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	Tor has nothing on turtle routing	[06:41]
pankkake	when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	lol	[06:42]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG	[06:42]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum	[06:42]
pankkake	is the turtle on elephants?	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading	[06:43]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :)	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran	[06:43]
herbijudlestoids	and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6	[06:44]
herbijudlestoids	anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves	[06:44]
moiety	just carry on	[06:44]
herbijudlestoids	this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired	[06:45]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Your move	[06:45]
moiety	it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame	[06:45]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: He's sleeping too	[06:45]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed.	[06:45]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :)	[06:45]
BingoBoingo	ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth	[06:45]
moiety	f2-f3	[06:46]
moiety	aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	Bg7	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix	[06:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00086848 = 31.0916 BTC [-] {3}	[06:47]
moiety	h3-h4	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	0-0	[06:48]
moiety	i have no idea what the board looks like	[06:48]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing	[06:49]
nubbins`	ha	[06:49]
moiety	what even is 0?	[06:49]
moiety	m using herbis picture in paint	[06:49]
moiety	and a chess site	[06:49]
moiety	for what the pieces are and where they begin	[06:49]
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moiety	ive never played without a board, im sorry	[06:50]
nubbins`	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50842076/chess2.svg	[06:50]
nubbins`	^ svg board and pieces	[06:50]
nubbins`	open w/ inkscape	[06:50]
herbijudlestoids	lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;)	[06:51]
moiety	oh lol thanks herbi	[06:51]
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moiety	i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow	[06:51]
moiety	i have that effect a lot	[06:52]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Try putting the moves in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html	[06:52]
BingoBoingo	0-0 is castle kingside	[06:53]
BingoBoingo	1. h3 d6	[06:54]
moiety	it puts in your moves too though	[06:54]
moiety	like guesses	[06:54]
moiety	i'll stick to drawing it out	[06:54]
BingoBoingo	2. b3 Nf6	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies	[06:54]
BingoBoingo	3. c3 g6	[06:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087086 = 8.7957 BTC [+]	[06:54]
moiety	b3-b4 please!	[06:55]
BingoBoingo	c5	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life.	[06:56]
moiety	bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner	[06:56]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it	[06:57]
moiety	oh fck sorry	[06:57]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html	[06:58]
BingoBoingo	And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam.	[06:58]
pankkake	pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that	[06:59]
BingoBoingo	4. f3 Bg7	[06:59]
BingoBoingo	5. h4 0-0	[06:59]
BingoBoingo	6. b4 c5	[07:01]
BingoBoingo	I think we are caught up to the current state of the game, moiety does this look right?	[07:02]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Maybe paleo is wrong?	[07:02]
moiety	be3	[07:03]
moiety	fuck knows	[07:03]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I dunno how one of your bishops get to e3	[07:03]
moiety	ok	[07:04]
moiety	retract	[07:04]
BingoBoingo	Bc1-e3 right now seems blocked by your pawn at d3	[07:04]
BingoBoingo	*d2	[07:04]
moiety	i told you you should play with herbi	[07:04]
BingoBoingo	pawn at d2 blocks	[07:04]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Last time I played an aussie it was Vexual. That game was not pretty.	[07:05]
moiety	are they really good or really bad you mean?	[07:05]
bloctoc	has etheream been discussed in here yet?	[07:05]
bloctoc	ethereum	[07:06]
BingoBoingo	bloctoc: If by discussed you mean laughed at	[07:06]
moiety	i love chess and i would like to get better, i just didn't realise you meant playing so manually, it's above my station	[07:06]
jcpham	isn't that what they were growing on the ice planet hoth?	[07:06]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Well, get caught up on a board or board like website.	[07:06]
moiety	a2-a3	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	moiety: But yes, basically the is playing off of the minimum necessary information.	[07:07]
bitcoinpete	I must've heard the high praises of ethereum 45 times tonight.	[07:07]
bitcoinpete	Surpassed only by smart contracts	[07:07]
jcpham	fuck chess checkers is for real sophisticates	[07:07]
bitcoinpete	Oh, and howdy	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	cxb4	[07:07]
moiety	im determined, that counts right?	[07:08]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: How many dicks could a dickchuck suck if a dickchuck could suck dick?	[07:08]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Sure	[07:08]
bloctoc	bitcoinpete where was that?	[07:08]
moiety	lolololol @ twister	[07:09]
jcpham	mircea_popescu this channel has AIDS or something	[07:09]
bitcoinpete	at our meet-up, or "meet-up",	[07:09]
bitcoinpete	at our meet-up, or "meet-up",	[07:09]
jcpham	next they'll be planning meet ups	[07:09]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Meet up in which region?	[07:10]
herbijudlestoids	bloctoc: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014&bots=true#444028	[07:10]
BingoBoingo	Springfield Missouri with Active Miner Ken?	[07:10]
moiety	nd3	[07:10]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: Thankfully not. In Canada.	[07:10]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Then smoke a bowl with nubbins' and relax	[07:11]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Knights dun move that diretion...	[07:11]
moiety	you are such a good hostess after a few vodkas	[07:11]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: My skepticism was confusing to most of them	[07:11]
moiety	i thought they went L, is that bishops	[07:12]
BingoBoingo	moiety: They do move in an L, but only that one size of L.	[07:12]
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moiety	ive been taught it wrong then. i have been trying to move c1 to d3.	[07:13]
BingoBoingo	The L moiety is defined such that your knight at b1 could move to a3, c3, or d2	[07:13]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: Though I was able to show one that the vagaries of language are to contracts what kraft is to dinner	[07:14]
BingoBoingo	moiety: The piece you should have on c1 is a Bishop	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	i feel like this is the best chess game ever	[07:14]
moiety	aw fuck i see whati got wrong	[07:14]
moiety	lol herbi!	[07:14]
herbijudlestoids	seriously	[07:14]
moiety	you're watching me learn here	[07:14]
BingoBoingo	I'm only getting drunker	[07:14]
bitcoinpete	I quite like that there's a chess game going on. Haven't noticed one before when reading the logs	[07:14]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: They happen sporadically	[07:15]
moiety	as long as you aren't getting more annoyed thats fine	[07:15]
BingoBoingo	moiety: As long as you don't press for speed chess like truffles I'm fine	[07:15]
bitcoinpete	This is a truly fascinating corner of the net	[07:15]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: whats that saying..."never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" ...i feel like if anyone reasonably tried to match BingoBoingo they would lose...but you are winning at lulz here	[07:16]
moiety	lolol moiety and speed chess in the same sentence	[07:16]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: It is indeed	[07:16]
moiety	well thats a win in my book herbi! :D	[07:16]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I lose all of the time in chess	[07:16]
moiety	not today!	[07:16]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here	[07:16]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here	[07:16]
herbijudlestoids	bitcoinpete: do you know that your client is repeating lines?	[07:17]
BingoBoingo	Sweet Bitcoinpete, nice to see someone does the reading	[07:17]
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moiety	g1-h4	[07:17]
BingoBoingo	?g1-h3????	[07:17]
moiety	i'm saving for trilema, i haven't wanted a subscription before	[07:17]
moiety	ok ok hang on!	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	Those L's only come in one size	[07:18]
bitcoinpete	herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac?	[07:18]
bitcoinpete	herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac?	[07:18]
moiety	oh yeah i meant 3 not 4	[07:18]
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herbijudlestoids	bitcoinpete: what are you using?	[07:18]
moiety	i'mbad for hopping extra, sorry	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	bxc3	[07:18]
herbijudlestoids	i would always recommend irssi, but its personal preference	[07:18]
bitcoinpete	herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free	[07:18]
bitcoinpete	herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Maybe try a different client?	[07:19]
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herbijudlestoids	bitcoinpete: try this one http://colloquy.info/ ...or xchat is pretty standard gui	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	Xchat is nice	[07:19]
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MisterE	so they begrudgingly passed a debt ceiling bill	[07:20]
moiety	c3 - b4?	[07:20]
bitcoinpete	herbijudlestoids: much obliged	[07:20]
BingoBoingo	moiety: b4 took c3	[07:20]
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MisterE	chess?	[07:20]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: lol debt ceiling is a joke, right? considering QE to the tune of 80bn/month atm?	[07:20]
moiety	huh, i have a space	[07:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00087099 = 21.9925 BTC [+] {2}	[07:21]
MisterE	herbijudlestoids: yea they could get their shit together and not need to raise it	[07:21]
MisterE	plenty of cash flowing in	[07:21]
herbijudlestoids	lel no they couldnt	[07:21]
MisterE	cur foreign aid and military	[07:21]
herbijudlestoids	budget deficit is > trade deficit	[07:22]
herbijudlestoids	ergo, QE	[07:22]
moiety	a3-a4	[07:22]
moiety	damnit i thought i stole a manny there	[07:22]
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herbijudlestoids	MisterE: the debt is too large to be reasonably be paid back. it will be defaulted on or inflated away (stealth default) or similar.	[07:23]
herbijudlestoids	there is no hiding from the mathematics of that fact	[07:23]
BingoBoingo	cxd2+	[07:23]
MisterE	what they couldn't do is make the cuts they should / need to make because it would put a bunch of peopl eout of work	[07:23]
MisterE	yea thats why they started letting the dollar weaken	[07:23]
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moiety	i'm back to smuxi, but i would really like to get BitchX going, i just couldn't get it to work	[07:24]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: you do realise that foreign aid in toto, including military stuff, is 1% of the US budget?	[07:24]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: irssi > bitchx imo :)	[07:24]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Try Xchat with the SASL plugin	[07:24]
MisterE	that may be direct foregn cash aid but I doubt that covers military	[07:24]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Also cxd2+	[07:25]
moiety	ive got xchat. whinges at me all the time and smuix is cuter. will look up irssi herbi!	[07:25]
moiety	ah thanks!	[07:25]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: ....2011 total military and economic assitance 50bn	[07:25]
MisterE	well if it is really that small then start whacking away at the defense and DHS / surveillance state budgets	[07:25]
moiety	oi no thanks, you took my dude there didnt you	[07:25]
MisterE	no way, they send just that much to Israel alone every year	[07:25]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Of course	[07:25]
MisterE	let alone Egypt, etc.	[07:25]
moiety	i'm telling mircea on you	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	bloctoc it doesn't seem to be popular. why do you ask ?	[07:26]
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herbijudlestoids	MisterE: you are mistaken.	[07:26]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: $3bn/annum to israel	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete do i know you from twittr ?	[07:26]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I'd be more worried if you told kakobrekla	[07:26]
MisterE	hmm I wonder how much $3bn could do for schools	[07:27]
moiety	why?	[07:27]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Because kakobrekla runs assbot	[07:27]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: a lot probably. $3bn is huge in meatspace. dunno if you heard about this http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt (just 15mn)	[07:27]
MisterE	but thats a lot lower than I expected where are you getting numbers from?	[07:27]
bitcoinpete	member:mircea_popescu: If you remember me, I'd be flattered :D	[07:27]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: where are you getting your numbers from?	[07:27]
moiety	i haven't really noticed assbot, i saw an ozbot.. and i like gribble a lot!	[07:28]
MisterE	I haven't been putting any out heh	[07:28]
herbijudlestoids	you said the US sends $50bn a year to israel.	[07:28]
bloctoc	just trying to find out if it's the real deal. I like the fact that certain operations get more hard coded over time and high use. It sounds a lot like how neural pathways get created. Other than that, it's pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year.	[07:28]
moiety	bf4	[07:28]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: I kept the same screen name with exactly that in mind	[07:29]
moiety	scrap that i dont know where my own men are	[07:29]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I'll post a pic	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	why's bitcoinpete saying things twice why's bitcoinpete saying things twice	[07:30]
moiety	f1-b5 im sure i can have	[07:30]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: its not that im disagreeing with you on certain issues, but its impotant to have the correct information.	[07:30]
MisterE	Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance. OK thats less than I thought	[07:30]
MisterE	yea	[07:30]
herbijudlestoids	for example, because you have incorrect information, you believe the US can fix its problem, whereas i feel the monetary issue in the US has reached escape velocity	[07:30]
BingoBoingo	moiety: look at http://imgur.com/XQuzdoi first	[07:31]
herbijudlestoids	we now await the return to atmo	[07:31]
MisterE	well given the current mindset I agree	[07:31]
Mats_cd03	bitcoinpete: irccloud is great	[07:31]
MisterE	but we can all tighten our belts and balance our checkbooks if there is a real desire	[07:31]
BingoBoingo	moiety: You are in check so addressing that is priority 1	[07:31]
MisterE	Americans are too spoiled so will let it all go to hell instead	[07:31]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: we have nothing to do with it, when the US Federal Reserve is QEing to the tune of 80bn/month	[07:32]
herbijudlestoids	they are printing cash to meet obligations and dumping it on your front lawn.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/12/us-eu-banks-savings-idUSBREA1B1ZI20140212	[07:32]
ozbot	Exclusive: EU executive sees personal savings used to plug long-term financing gap	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	eu wants to steal pensions too!	[07:32]
MisterE	oh that's just the latest face of their printing presses running at full speed	[07:32]
MisterE	before QE it was direct cash injections into banks	[07:32]
MisterE	etc.	[07:32]
herbijudlestoids	...	[07:32]
bitcoinpete	Mats_cd03: merci	[07:32]
herbijudlestoids	the point is that if everyone tightened their belt it has no relevance if on the other side of the field they are spewing tickets.	[07:33]
herbijudlestoids	make sense or not?	[07:33]
herbijudlestoids	austerity will not solve this problem	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	" pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year." and therein you have your answer.	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	same useless pile of crap, same troop of vultures, same spiel.	[07:33]
MisterE	yea it probaby has to go to hell for anything to ever be done about the fed	[07:33]
herbijudlestoids	just like putting a freeze on banker salaries does not stop certain banks from being giant black holes for capital	[07:33]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Study the board. You are down three pawns. I'm going to the garage to smoke a cigarette. Use these 5-7 minutes to come up with a plan.	[07:33]
MisterE	sigh humans suck	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	except this time they had the sense to stick to altspace and so i couldn't care less	[07:34]
KRS-One	i resemble that remark	[07:34]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: hell or not i dunno...we are just talking about the obligations of the US Government otherwise called a dollar.	[07:34]
moiety	aww fuck man thats pretty different from mine	[07:34]
moiety	http://i.imgur.com/dDMRjAS.png	[07:34]
MisterE	which is not worth the paper it's printed on	[07:35]
MisterE	backed up by a stack of IOUs	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids austerity would in fact have solved the problem, back in FY 2009-2010, while creating ohter problems.	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile i agree, it's escaped.	[07:35]
herbijudlestoids	MisterE: those two statements have always been true, at least since 1970s	[07:35]
MisterE	actually dollars are rags not paper	[07:35]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: yes sure.	[07:35]
MisterE	yea true	[07:35]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i dont disagree that GFC was a chance to rebalance	[07:35]
MisterE	there was a chance in the late 00s	[07:35]
moiety	well bloody b1 - d2 for a start bingo lol	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids just, there wasn't who to go on tv and say "you can either all starve and your kids can have a country to live in or else we continue derping around and we might as well just go buy the rope now. so i've chosen for you to starve, stfu and eat it with the big spoon"	[07:36]
moiety	aw herbi, hes got tons o my bits	[07:36]
herbijudlestoids	my feeling is that we will just continue to repeat the current boom/bust cycle until one of the cycles kills the dollar as a global reserve asset and the euro takes over	[07:37]
MisterE	mircea_popescu: American's can't handle that	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I'm still smoking. CHeck the moves so far on this board http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids not one of. this is it.	[07:37]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: highly likely.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	MisterE their problem, cause nobody's askin what you can handle.	[07:37]
MisterE	they will be in the street with their guns, serious civil unrest	[07:37]
MisterE	they are spoiled	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	perfect.	[07:37]
herbijudlestoids	i dont want to make predictions in this discussion, leave it to you	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	ty ty.	[07:38]
MisterE	thats why I left 8-years ago and now live in Asia	[07:38]
herbijudlestoids	just trying to put my 2c out there	[07:38]
herbijudlestoids	2satoshis even	[07:38]
MisterE	heh	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i was gonna say, you dun got 2 bitcents :D	[07:38]
herbijudlestoids	butthole, i do, i got just over 2	[07:39]
herbijudlestoids	i got 0.02BTC	[07:39]
*	herbijudlestoids proud	[07:39]
*	herbijudlestoids checks to make sure they are still there	[07:39]
MisterE	I tried to buy $100 of BTC at $5 and the site was all funky I could not figure how to get my money transfered in and so I let it go	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	o hey wd!	[07:40]
MisterE	like 2-years ago	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	btc was 30 2 years ago	[07:40]
MisterE	well, whenever it was 5	[07:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: BTC was 30 three years ago, but not 2	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	fuck me no it wasn't	[07:40]
MisterE	^ sounds more right	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	whoa how quickly we forget.	[07:40]
MisterE	err less wrong	[07:41]
MisterE	not us losers :p	[07:41]
MisterE	we dont forget	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	no, you're right, it was about 5 two years ago	[07:41]
BingoBoingo	BTC first hit $31 on the Adrian CHen Silk Road Story.	[07:41]
BingoBoingo	And two years ago was $5-11 because GLBSE scam and BTCST scam	[07:41]
BingoBoingo	Most of summer 2012 BTC was around 11 until the Pirate default.	[07:42]
BingoBoingo	Then it went down to $4	[07:42]
bitcoinpete	MisterE: At least you finally bought in. I get a kick out of people who were similarly unwilling to get past the exchange rigamarole and now say it's too expensive.	[07:43]
MisterE	pfft the upside is still exponential	[07:43]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: DO you know Paul Graham.	[07:44]
MisterE	plus I been buying the dips	[07:44]
jcpham	where can i get bitcoins?	[07:44]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: nope	[07:44]
jcpham	do i mine them?	[07:44]
bitcoinpete	Ha	[07:44]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Shame, know any other VC's?	[07:44]
MisterE	If you live in a big city localbitcoins.com	[07:44]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: Not really, never needed to	[07:45]
jcpham	i trolling this chat is retarded to me	[07:45]
jcpham	i love hearing history lessons fromstrangers	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: If you find any I have a standing offer on my blog selling bullshit filering services.	[07:45]
jcpham	basically i hang out in these channels to scoop up your free info	[07:46]
MisterE	invoice is in the mail jcpham	[07:46]
BingoBoingo	lol jcpham that's how I finally made /.	[07:46]
herbijudlestoids	jcpham: nobody minds, better you get it here than elsewhere. if it was secret the chan'd be +k and half wouldnt bein here	[07:46]
jcpham	i'm just jaded	[07:47]
MisterE	actually expanding the community benefits us all	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	jcpham just a little trouble coping is all >D	[07:47]
herbijudlestoids	i have never met anyone as jaded as the likes of mircea_popescu or BingoBoingo lol	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	how am i jaded!	[07:47]
MisterE	jaded how?	[07:47]
herbijudlestoids	dude you are post jaded	[07:47]
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BingoBoingo	I wonder that as well.	[07:47]
MisterE	lol	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	MisterE now do it in a pesci voice	[07:48]
MisterE	post-jaded	[07:48]
BingoBoingo	I am constantly in a state of wonder	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids what's you mean by jaded ?	[07:48]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: haha k	[07:48]
jcpham	no fucks were given that day mircea_popescu	[07:48]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: people who have seen enough to be unimpressed	[07:48]
jcpham	except every day	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	o that. i guess i'm jaded then.	[07:48]
jcpham	i've seen every bitcoin scam and they just repeat	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	how do i call urban dictionary?	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	;;urban jaded	[07:49]
gribble	Error: "urban" is not a valid command.	[07:49]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: As I can tell the difference is MP has been shot where as I have merely had a shotgun pointed inches from my face	[07:49]
BingoBoingo	;;ud jaded	[07:49]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded \| jaded. The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their ...	[07:49]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: jaded	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	that'd be a little different :)	[07:49]
BingoBoingo	.bait	[07:49]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ecuvzL6i1r09wbpo1_500.jpg	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	hmm. i was hoping for a different definition	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	hey yo i got a question about the baits!	[07:49]
herbijudlestoids	forgot, thhought of it last night	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	o look, she's all laided.	[07:50]
herbijudlestoids	why does ozbot not pull from imgur.com/r/gonewild?	[07:50]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The baits have two cans, add a string and you too can be Gox	[07:50]
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MisterE	:D	[07:50]
bitcoinpete	sigh I have a feeling I'm going to be spending more time here. Too early to tell whether that's a good thing but I'm inexplicably drawn in by this circus	[07:50]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: im making my own exchange. with blackjack and hookers.	[07:51]
herbijudlestoids	bitcoinpete: tell me about it	[07:51]
MisterE	yea bitcoinpete the rest of the BTC channels are lame	[07:51]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: You can just lurk, I mean look at the lsit online. It is the way of most people. IRC nearly demands it.	[07:51]
bitcoinpete	never tried the others	[07:51]
bitcoinpete	trilema pointed here	[07:51]
bitcoinpete	no one else pointed anywhere else so here I am	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids hopefully australia has better hookers than what they found in miami	[07:51]
BingoBoingo	You can try #bitcoin-otc if you like self induced concussions	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	o look, i have a captive audience.	[07:52]
MisterE	mircea_popescu: they do but their coke sucks	[07:52]
herbijudlestoids	wut MisterE sed	[07:52]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Give East StL a try	[07:52]
herbijudlestoids	coke in london is what... $50/g?	[07:52]
bitcoinpete	mircea: just like you always dreamed	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	til that the sole path for bilirubin elimination is through the uridine diphosphate glucuronosyltransferase isoform 1A1	[07:52]
herbijudlestoids	coke in sydney, half the purity of that of london is $300/g	[07:52]
MisterE	haha	[07:53]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: you dont research your poop enough	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids actually... there's a trilema article on the subject	[07:53]
BingoBoingo	I tell you all magnesium citrate is a hell of a way to pass a drug test	[07:53]
*	herbijudlestoids lels	[07:53]
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mircea_popescu	;;google trilema de ce e cacatul maro	[07:53]
gribble	Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Martie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[07:53]
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mircea_popescu	literally, inquires and explains why shit's brown	[07:53]
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bitcoinpete	well whaddya know	[07:54]
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herbijudlestoids	oh...ok..well i already inquired and got the explanation to that q long ago :)	[07:54]
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mircea_popescu	im slow.	[07:54]
bitcoinpete	I don't remember that from biochem 200 or physl 2xx.	[07:54]
MisterE	what language is that site in?	[07:54]
bitcoinpete	And my mom didn't teach me romanian...	[07:54]
BingoBoingo	I haven't had a bio class since 7th grade.	[07:55]
herbijudlestoids	almost at 300ATC :)	[07:55]
MisterE	Romanian?	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	romanian.	[07:55]
herbijudlestoids	;;calc 62700/2621404453	[07:56]
gribble	2.39184761925e-05	[07:56]
herbijudlestoids	^ current ATC/BTC difficulty implied price	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	239 ?	[07:57]
bitcoinpete	I had two romanian architects living with me all summer	[07:57]
herbijudlestoids	;;calc 31350/2911847381	[07:57]
gribble	1.07663609723e-05	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	you run an architect boarding house ?	[07:57]
herbijudlestoids	^^ next diff implied price	[07:57]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: On Doge terms that is 20k satoshis	[07:57]
bitcoinpete	in the off-season	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo e-05 would be 5 zeroes. so that's 3 digit satoshi price	[07:57]
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bitcoinpete	they loved Jaime Oliver and cooked up a storm	[07:58]
bitcoinpete	My townhouse had a new stink every night	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	all romanians worth the name can cook.	[07:58]
herbijudlestoids	gribble reports it in 'hard-for-retards-to-understand' format... ; 62700/2621404453 ~0.00002391847619250229	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But Altcoin rules, ignore 3 of the zeros like Doge does.	[07:58]
bitcoinpete	The "husband" would spend hours slaving over the stove while the "wife" would read	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete now that's emancipated. were they in their 20s ?	[07:59]
herbijudlestoids	i bought some books before i got sick...graham greene "our man in havana" (i own almost all his novels now) and flaubert "madame bovary"	[08:01]
herbijudlestoids	anyone read flaubert?	[08:01]
BingoBoingo	You know who is emaciated, those creepy ass ski jumpers	[08:01]
bitcoinpete	mid-late 20s	[08:01]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I did and then I buried it with crap	[08:01]
bitcoinpete	also big fans of QI, Top Gear, and America's Next Top Model	[08:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.0008717 = 5.5353 BTC [+] {2}	[08:01]
herbijudlestoids	how can QI be put in the same line with Top Gear and Americas Next Top Model	[08:02]
BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: DO you have Hulu where you are at?	[08:02]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: appreciate the review ;)	[08:03]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Well I ask about Hulu because Appilacian Outlaws is the best reality show for understanding Bitcoin.	[08:04]
herbijudlestoids	haha i was talking about flaubert!	[08:04]
herbijudlestoids	dude how drunk are you	[08:04]
herbijudlestoids	youre approaching vex on sat night levels	[08:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086675 = 13.608 BTC [-] {3}	[08:05]
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BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I'm trying to talk to bitcoinpete about tv shows. I am barely drunk.	[08:05]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: If you think I am so intoxicated are you up for a game after this one with moiety is over?	[08:06]
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bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: I don't have Hulu. Just got Netflixes	[08:06]
herbijudlestoids	no, you owe me one discussion about turtle F2F, retroshare and why you use neither.	[08:06]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Because anonymity is over rated	[08:07]
herbijudlestoids	although i did learn today that retroshares routing algorithm is in fact inspired by turtle	[08:07]
herbijudlestoids	its F2F, not anonymous?	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	turtle is decent for a private net.	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	But on public nets you have to account for the meta-NSA	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	meta-NSA has the solution to all crypto in a drawer	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	The only way to deal with meta-NSA is to invite them to lick your balls	[08:08]
herbijudlestoids	can you pls clarify, private net == LAN? or private net == F2F VPN	[08:09]
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BingoBoingo	Private net is a net where you know all participants.	[08:09]
herbijudlestoids	yep thx	[08:09]
herbijudlestoids	i dont think turtle/retroshare is designed as anything but...definitely not for public net	[08:10]
BingoBoingo	Turtle routing is great for that. You can all watch 12 years an Oscar winnrar on that	[08:10]
mrkent	Anyone know where the ASIC Miner direct share spreadsheet is?	[08:10]
BingoBoingo	mrkent: I dunno that such a thing exists	[08:11]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: so the reason you dont use it? got no friends?	[08:11]
mrkent	BingoBoingo, how do people trade direct shares?	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Nah.	[08:12]
herbijudlestoids	mrkent: talkin bout this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdHRVUjQ5Ql9BQWR6OENLMkhyUktUblE#gid=0	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	mrkent: Talk to fry'd kitty	[08:12]
*	moiety is caught up ND2 - stealing a man! finarry! o/	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	Nd5	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Your move again	[08:13]
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BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The reason to dislike that stuff is IRL friends are too cool for internet crimes	[08:14]
moiety	d2-c4	[08:14]
mrkent	herbijudlestoids, no i thought there was one where it displays which address owns which shares	[08:15]
BingoBoingo	Bg7xa1	[08:15]
herbijudlestoids	mrkent: sorry, cant help, i just pulled that off google	[08:15]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: yea fair enough. i also get the feeling that retroshare might not have the highest code quality	[08:15]
mrkent	np thanks	[08:16]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I can't trust that the petty shit isn't backdoored from the start	[08:16]
BingoBoingo	I've got misdemeanor charges to still fight	[08:16]
herbijudlestoids	lel	[08:17]
moiety	thanks for making me homeless, prick	[08:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.0008723 = 23.027 BTC [+] {2}	[08:18]
BingoBoingo	Can't just roll over and eat a fine. Have to convince that states attorney that if this is how he fight a misdemeanor a felony can't be worth prosecuting	[08:18]
herbijudlestoids	i was supposed to be in bed recuperating but who can sleep when the greatest chess match of all time is happening in -assets	[08:18]
BingoBoingo	moiety: It's fine, just maybe try going on the offensive for a change?	[08:19]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: stick it to the man!	[08:19]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I've actually lost in this chan	[08:19]
moiety	:P	[08:19]
moiety	you know im kidding	[08:20]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: I know, but seriously where is your aggression. You were white? Where are the whips?	[08:20]
moiety	oh i thought you thought i was being too agressive	[08:21]
BingoBoingo	moiety: No, It's like you have spent the entire game as an Olympic snowboarder is a green haze.	[08:21]
moiety	sounds good to me....	[08:21]
moiety	i can say it is much easier now i can see the board	[08:22]
*	moiety will try to be moar vicious	[08:22]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Well you have two moves before things becomem hopeless.	[08:22]
moiety	go have another drink	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Force me to do something other than end you.	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	shit, I only have 3 inches of Vodka left in this fifth	[08:23]
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BingoBoingo	http://imgur.com/91SYf9M	[08:25]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[08:25]
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moiety	h3-g5	[08:26]
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BingoBoingo	Bc3+	[08:27]
moiety	omg did you see that http://imgur.com/gallery/1r9nx lol	[08:27]
BingoBoingo	moiety: This is an anti Doge channel. The best Doge thing to come out of here was selling Sochi DOge skins to the slants.	[08:28]
moiety	im not particularly pro doge... really is everywhere is all.	[08:29]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: And how can I be racist. I am black. You moved first trying to colonize my half of the board.	[08:30]
moiety	ive never seen anything in the centre of a letter on google results, its bizarre	[08:30]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: +1 for thinkpad, -999999999 for unity.	[08:30]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Unity on FreeBSD ain't bad though.	[08:30]
moiety	and what did you just do	[08:30]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Bc3+	[08:31]
moiety	:s ness	[08:31]
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moiety	nvm	[08:32]
herbijudlestoids	y...youre using unity on fbsd?	[08:32]
herbijudlestoids	okkk	[08:32]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I won't confirm or deny it. Maybe Open BSD, maybe NetBSD, maybe FreeBSD.	[08:33]
moiety	jeeves** not google	[08:33]
BingoBoingo	Unity is awfully portable though and better than GNOME Shell	[08:33]
BingoBoingo	I also don't much trust that false successor to gnome 2	[08:34]
herbijudlestoids	yea gnome3 stole my heart and then broke it	[08:34]
herbijudlestoids	iv been using xfce since	[08:34]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Maybe you need an actual substance abuse problem like me. That might bring your mind to sense.	[08:34]
herbijudlestoids	how do you know i dont have one?	[08:35]
BingoBoingo	By substance I mean Bitcoin. An Aristotelian substance.	[08:35]
herbijudlestoids	lel	[08:35]
BingoBoingo	I have had so much and squandered so much.	[08:35]
herbijudlestoids	good save	[08:35]
BingoBoingo	Not a save herbijudlestoids, an actual meaning	[08:36]
BingoBoingo	Actual meaning refering to "is does something"	[08:36]
BingoBoingo	I really dunno what all the Unity hate is over anyways	[08:38]
BingoBoingo	It isn't like it has a niggers.txt file	[08:38]
BingoBoingo	Like gnome shell does	[08:39]
moiety	g5-h3	[08:40]
moiety	sorry trying to change my gpg key and failing	[08:41]
BingoBoingo	moiety: can't do that, you are in check	[08:41]
BingoBoingo	moiety: You have to take, interpose, or move to address my Bishop on c3	[08:42]
moiety	hang on have i moved you to the wrong place	[08:42]
moiety	g2-h3	[08:43]
moiety	c3	[08:43]
moiety	g2-c3	[08:43]
moiety	i meant c3 before as well	[08:43]
BingoBoingo	? is that a move?	[08:43]
moiety	why not	[08:44]
BingoBoingo	How does your pawn on g2 get to c3?	[08:44]
moiety	g2 has a dude, no it is h3, why am i not allowed that	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete by the way, the circus you see ? this is the house of a free market. that's how one looks, circus-y	[08:45]
moiety	g2-h3	[08:45]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Because you are in check. Your king is in imminent danger. The Bishop on c3 threatens to take it.	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yes i read flaubert.	[08:45]
moiety	i thought bishops can only move diagonally	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	try bouvard & pecuchet sometime	[08:46]
BingoBoingo	You have to kill my Bishop, Block its attack, or evacuate your king	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	it's like... the history of forum finance.	[08:46]
BingoBoingo	moiety: My bishop is attacking your king on a diagonal	[08:46]
moiety	http://i.imgur.com/pc7dZkP.png	[08:46]
herbijudlestoids	hmm mircea_popescu thx i will check it out at the bookstore. any thoughts on madame bovary?	[08:47]
moiety	i see what i did	[08:47]
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Duffer1	russians; pretty good at skating, who knew	[08:47]
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MisterE	might print up a couple of these if u travel. https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom	[08:49]
MisterE	doh!	[08:49]
moiety	bingo i think he is fucked	[08:49]
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*	MisterE I mean these: http://i.imgur.com/uzfFF.jpg	[08:49]
BingoBoingo	moiety: You are doing better than truffles. I'm uploading a pic again to sync to http://imgur.com/4P4KaSc	[08:49]
moiety	e1 - f2 and is it not my queen?	[08:50]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids plenty.	[08:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] {3}	[08:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}	[08:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}	[08:50]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Your king can do that. I'm going to take a garage cigarette break. Ask yourself if that is the BEST move.	[08:50]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: just out of morbid curiosity, what is wrong with ...xchess, for example?	[08:50]
herbijudlestoids	why must it be played over irc	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	there's a trilema post from back in 2009 where some romanian studying at the sorbonne who dared not like it is excruciated by my readership.	[08:51]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Mostly sloppy coding and weird errors	[08:51]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: good answer	[08:51]
*	moiety nods	[08:51]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: pls link? ill feed it to google translate (assuming its in romani)	[08:51]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Xchess demands on particular font most don't have to work even halfway	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	wtf retarded game of chess is that ?!	[08:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The Stallman board version	[08:52]
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mircea_popescu	but i mean... o wait, moiety is white huh	[08:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00087234 = 2.9223 BTC [+]	[08:52]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	hon you're not very good at this :D	[08:52]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2009/flaubert-suntem-noi/	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	curious what gt can make out of multi-layered meaning cake a la trilema & its peanut gallery	[08:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: She's prolly ready to beat truffles	[08:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00296392 = 2.9639 BTC [-] {12}	[08:53]
moiety	lol nope :D but i will get better mircea_popescu!	[08:53]
herbijudlestoids	o ffs	[08:55]
herbijudlestoids	google translate caught by the subscription page	[08:55]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: It nearly always is	[08:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]	[08:55]
BingoBoingo	I remember paying half a BTC for trilema credits and losing the cookie, because webchat	[08:56]
BingoBoingo	Trilema is worth it enough though that I keep a hot cookie	[08:56]
moiety	yep e1-f2	[08:57]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: surely cookie is not the only thing tying trilema to your payment?	[08:57]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: It actually is because trilema is built the right way.	[08:58]
BingoBoingo	Nc6	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids anyway, among the commenters corina is the letters dept head of i don't recall which kind at the cluj university, als is a meanwhile deceased faggoty movie critic of great repute, esk is the chick in question and so on	[08:58]
BingoBoingo	Nb-c6	[08:58]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: pls hold while i rip the text into gt manually	[08:59]
moiety	g1-h7	[08:59]
MisterE	what is this truffles I keep hearing about?	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	MisterE when you bareback a chick with diabethes.	[08:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087171 = 7.7146 BTC [-]	[08:59]
MisterE	thats perfectly OK	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	no wait. you have the diabethes. she has a yeast infection.	[09:00]
MisterE	oh no	[09:00]
MisterE	Yeast is a no go	[09:00]
BingoBoingo	moiety: You have nothing on g1	[09:00]
moiety	i think im number dyslexic, g5-h7	[09:00]
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BingoBoingo	Bd4+	[09:02]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: here is the translated article. will do comments once iv read http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QTQVnWbt	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids it may surprise you to know i have access to my own articles :D	[09:03]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: you were curious what the translate looked like?	[09:03]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: He is always curious what right translations look like	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	yeah but i loaded up gt	[09:04]
herbijudlestoids	ah right lol	[09:04]
herbijudlestoids	so far ineligible	[09:04]
moiety	f2-e1 retreaaat	[09:04]
BingoBoingo	right translations of trilema are... challenging though	[09:04]
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herbijudlestoids	"Notice how not even offer me eat my own ears"	[09:05]
BingoBoingo	KxNe7	[09:05]
BingoBoingo	*KxNh7	[09:06]
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BingoBoingo	I need to drink moar	[09:06]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: it's a salty circus, which is good because I might actually learn something	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids ineligible means which can't be chosen	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	uninteligible however...	[09:07]
bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: yes	[09:07]
moiety	i cant do that BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/fsai0zd.png	[09:07]
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moiety	your king is d8 right	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	and since we're on it, inedible = uneatable, indelible = uneraseable.	[09:08]
herbijudlestoids	retarded mircea_popescu i meant illegible.	[09:08]
herbijudlestoids	<-retard	[09:08]
BingoBoingo	moiety: My king was on G8 because castling	[09:08]
BingoBoingo	That 0-0	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	but you're legging it just fine :D	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	لآن الشيء نفسه سوف اهتزت كثيرا، " الفوضى " هي جميع أنواع << this is illegible	[09:08]
herbijudlestoids	haha	[09:09]
moiety	then how are we on the same moves?	[09:09]
herbijudlestoids	Me: see the Latin spoken in cambridge . mo got toothache at one point I roared in the room STOP ! Hammertime !	[09:09]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Last pick I snapped should reveal where my king has been	[09:09]
BingoBoingo	moiety: As would the previous pic	[09:09]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: please upload a short video of yourself yelling STOP! Hammertime! to youtube.	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	it's a metaphore.	[09:10]
moiety	pics didnt help making moves as theyhad to be in order	[09:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00087171 = 16.1266 BTC [-]	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	i just excused myself and left.	[09:10]
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BingoBoingo	0.01 BTC reward to the person who can name the Greek who was good at chaos.	[09:10]
moiety	both pics do have something on d8	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	tho i did use to wear a fro	[09:10]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Remember that 0-0 though	[09:10]
moiety	yeah i guessed tha	[09:11]
BingoBoingo	moiety: My queen is still on d8 where it started	[09:11]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: eris	[09:11]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Not the clitus I am thinking of	[09:11]
herbijudlestoids	wut!	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo : Eρις	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	whose name reads just like epic	[09:11]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: do you actually refer to chaos...	[09:12]
herbijudlestoids	chaos itself was a greek god	[09:12]
BingoBoingo	I was thinking of Heraclitus.	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	goddes	[09:12]
herbijudlestoids	wutttt	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	eris was a bitch	[09:12]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: How can a chasm be a god	[09:12]
BingoBoingo	it is like saying a vagina is a bunch of matter.	[09:12]
herbijudlestoids	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29	[09:13]
ozbot	Eris (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[09:13]
BingoBoingo	When the vagina is defined by the lack of matter in its chaos	[09:13]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I also sought a person rather than a fictional catch all	[09:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04660001 = 0.233 BTC [-]	[09:14]
herbijudlestoids	"For Hesiod and the early Greek Olympian myth (8th century BC), Chaos was the first of the primordial deities, followed by Earth (Gaia), Tartarus and Eros (Love).[16] From Chaos came Erebus and Nyx.[17]"	[09:14]
herbijudlestoids	but i would always answer fnord...i mean eris ...to that question...	[09:14]
BingoBoingo	Yes, from chaos, from her slit.	[09:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087283 = 22.7809 BTC [+] {3}	[09:15]
BingoBoingo	If I asked for a Dago, supposing a real person Vito Corleone would be under Mussolini every day of the week.	[09:15]
herbijudlestoids	lel	[09:15]
herbijudlestoids	fair enough, i knew the answer only from my reading of the principia discordia...im not actually cultured :P	[09:16]
moiety	i cant find gpg on freenode	[09:16]
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herbijudlestoids	moiety: what do you mean? gpg is software...gnupg...	[09:17]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Well, remember the chaos isn't the whole cunt, but merely the pleasant absence where the dick goes within the cunt	[09:18]
bitcoinpete	goddesses make me think of Citroens	[09:18]
moiety	in that room herbi, hopefully someone is around soon	[09:19]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: if you need any help with gpg i doubt anyone is more qualified than people in this room :)	[09:19]
herbijudlestoids	what are you trying to do?	[09:20]
moiety	all i want to do is chage my email address	[09:20]
moiety	change	[09:20]
moiety	i try uid bringsuo the key, try deluid tells me to select one	[09:21]
moiety	brings up*	[09:21]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: here you go https://coderwall.com/p/tx_1-g	[09:21]
*	moiety huugs herbi - oh herbi! thanks so much :D tyty	[09:22]
herbijudlestoids	you dont really need to deluid, just revoke it	[09:22]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: That is one way BTC beats GPG (and there are few	[09:22]
herbijudlestoids	(with revuid)	[09:22]
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moiety	right kk	[09:22]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: sorry you lost me, in which way does BTC beat GPG?	[09:23]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: In the way that anything *id is mutable until it is confirmed.	[09:23]
herbijudlestoids	yer	[09:23]
moiety	just keeps saying you must select at least ne user id, ive tried typing it in a million different ways	[09:23]
BingoBoingo	This shit Gox is bitching about is a strength	[09:23]
herbijudlestoids	moiety: in which command? gpg --edit-key ? it should just be gpg --edit-key moiety@moiety.moiety	[09:25]
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herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i prefer democritus to heraclitus but it might be my childhood exposure to him talking	[09:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.1221 = 1.4652 BTC [-]	[09:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.074 = 0.888 BTC [-]	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	you heard democritus talking ?	[09:30]
herbijudlestoids	poorly constructed sentence	[09:30]
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BingoBoingo	Must be one of those mythical baby boomers	[09:31]
herbijudlestoids	as in, the childhood exposure to democritus is talking to me, and convincing me that i prefer one to the other	[09:31]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids actually it was fine, it'd have been his talking to be what i pretended it to be. just a little trolling :D	[09:32]
herbijudlestoids	luvz2betrolz	[09:33]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You up for a game?	[09:34]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i was about to go for long walk to get some dinners	[09:35]
herbijudlestoids	still around in a few hours?	[09:35]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Who knows?	[09:36]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: mm its only 1830. lets play a game, im sure you wont take long to beat me	[09:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00086989 = 14.7455 BTC [-] {2}	[09:37]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: My game against moiety is still ongooing	[09:37]
herbijudlestoids	ok..well ill ping you later then :)	[09:38]
bitcoinpete	Bon sour, mes amis. It's been a pleasure breaking the ice.	[09:44]
bitcoinpete	soir*	[09:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]	[09:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+]	[09:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.0008672 = 3.2945 BTC [-]	[09:47]
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Nick_Fly\|2	is anyone here?	[10:05]
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mircea_popescu	yes.	[10:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]	[10:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]	[10:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}	[10:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-]	[10:10]
BingoBoingo	http://www.hulu.com/watch/159193#i0,p0,s10,d0 essential watching before Robocop II	[10:10]
nick_fly	Guys, help me! I'm stuck in Ukraine because of this revolution and I can not go home. But then the border guard offers to give him a bribe and he will miss me. He told that accepts BTC. I know it's sounds like a joke, but tomó it's totally not fun!!! Donate as much as you can.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	revolution ?!	[10:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]	[10:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]	[10:11]
nick_fly	google "maidan ukrain"	[10:11]
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cazalla	ukranian eh	[10:12]
cazalla	you know phil leotardo got mistaken for a ukrainia	[10:12]
nick_fly	You are my last hope=(	[10:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ukraine_is_not_a_Brothel-Maidan-3.jpg	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	check it out, naked chicks.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	hey, do you know the topless bunch, what's their name	[10:13]
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nick_fly	Pussy Riot?	[10:13]
moiety	wth is going on in that pic	[10:14]
nick_fly	I would not come here if not for work. Please! Heeeelp!!!	[10:14]
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mircea_popescu	yeah, that's right, pussy riot.	[10:14]
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mircea_popescu	moiety a dancer girl is looking for her contacts ?	[10:14]
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moiety	mircea_popescu: those guys must have paid for them, they look really pissed of she's lost them	[10:15]
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cazalla	dhl	[10:16]
cazalla	el package express	[10:16]
nick_fly	i'm here for 3 days, can't pass the border	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	seems the sort of thing final year performing arts kids would be doing	[10:16]
nick_fly	will anyone help me?	[10:16]
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mircea_popescu	nick_fly you know 178.172.211.44 is actually in belarus, right ?	[10:16]
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nick_fly	it's proxy	[10:16]
nick_fly	local provider blocks me	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	cause of the revolution ?	[10:17]
nick_fly	ccertainly	[10:17]
moiety	bingo's being kind enough to just restart fresh board. i move d4	[10:18]
nick_fly	when i came here, the first question i have been asked was "going to "EuroMaidan"?	[10:18]
BingoBoingo	1. d4 d5	[10:19]
nick_fly	mircea_popescu: help pls	[10:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]	[10:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]	[10:19]
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mircea_popescu	why did you go there anyway	[10:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]	[10:20]
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moiety	herbi herbi herbi	[10:20]
moiety	nc3	[10:20]
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nick_fly	mircea_popescu: to sign a contract for the supply of water. Does it important?	[10:21]
BingoBoingo	c6	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	not really to me, no. mostly to you.	[10:21]
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nick_fly	mircea_popescu: yeah	[10:22]
nick_fly	13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	so who were you signing water supply contracts for /	[10:22]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: 0.01 BTC for a sharpie in your pooper with Bingo on the left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek	[10:22]
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moiety	na4 BingoBoingo	[10:23]
nick_fly	my boss send me here. it's some kind of healing water	[10:23]
BingoBoingo	Nf6 moiety	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	well so then why isn't your boss getting you out ?	[10:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]	[10:24]
nick_fly	have you ever heard of ever heard of Borjomi?	[10:24]
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BingoBoingo	nick_fly: get your boss here it won't be the value I offered you.	[10:24]
nick_fly	he don't care	[10:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15549 @ 0.00087291 = 13.5729 BTC [+] {2}	[10:25]
moiety	BingoBoingo: c4	[10:25]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: He as you boss could do 5 laundry markers for 0.02 BTC	[10:25]
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nick_fly	he don't even know what is BTC	[10:25]
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BingoBoingo	Qa5+ moiety	[10:26]
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moiety	my thing doesnt register that, what are you meaning	[10:27]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Queen to a5, check	[10:27]
nick_fly	guys, i can't discuss here for a long time. access to the internet here is VERY! expensive to me. Please help ANYONE!!!!!!!	[10:27]
moiety	nvm	[10:27]
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nick_fly	13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: Freedom isn't free.	[10:28]
nick_fly	it's not funny	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: Freedom simply means, nothing left to lose	[10:28]
nick_fly	Imagine yourself in my place. IT'S NOT FUNNY!	[10:28]
moiety	bishop - d2	[10:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28267 @ 0.00087353 = 24.6921 BTC [+] {2}	[10:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00012661 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {5}	[10:30]
BingoBoingo	Qd8	[10:30]
nick_fly	BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: help please	[10:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12772 @ 0.00012023 = 1.5356 BTC [-] {4}	[10:31]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: Open your sphincter first	[10:31]
nick_fly	implore you	[10:31]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: 0.01BTC for a sharpie in your pooper	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	nick_fly apparently some georgian mineral water.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	never had it myself. is it any good ?	[10:33]
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moiety	ev BingoBoingo	[10:35]
moiety	e4*	[10:35]
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BingoBoingo	Nxe4	[10:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}	[10:36]
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nick_fly	heeey	[10:37]
*	Received a CTCP SOURCE from nick_fly	[10:37]
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nick_fly	I left for 7-8 minutes until the end of Internet access. SOMEONE!!!! HELP!!!! AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx	[10:39]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: If you want anything you can put a sharpie in your pooper or jump the country fence	[10:39]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159192#i0,p0,s10,d0	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah, kinda lukewarm entertainment value so far.	[10:40]
nick_fly	BingoBoingo: can be seen only from the usa. GUYS.... aaaaaa. heeeeeelp	[10:42]
nick_fly	mircea_popescu: i'vó read about you. i know you can help.	[10:42]
nick_fly	mircea_popescu: i'm not asking as much as openBSD asked. just as much as you can	[10:43]
nick_fly	or as you want	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[10:43]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: You could still get BTC from sharpie in pooper	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	CTCP VERSION	[10:44]
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mircea_popescu	CTCP SOURCE	[10:44]
*	Received a CTCP SOURCE from mircea_popescu	[10:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54540204 = 2.727 BTC [-] {4}	[10:44]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: Great victories only come from great sacrifices... of dignity	[10:44]
MisterE	I wonder if we'll see more miners hedge their bet with fpgas which can be useful for other stuff they can get paid for	[10:45]
nick_fly	the last time - will anyone help me? i can't be here more. please if you have any kindness	[10:46]
nick_fly	13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	least likely thing for a miner to hedge with	[10:46]
nick_fly!@	added to ignore list.	[10:46]
BingoBoingo	nick_fly: I am offering to pay, but only if you entertain first	[10:47]
moiety	BingoBoingo: Ba5	[10:48]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Qxa5+	[10:49]
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BingoBoingo	nick_fly: I offered a way to help yourself for 0.01 BTC	[10:49]
moiety	BingoBoingo: Ke2	[10:51]
BingoBoingo	Bg4+	[10:51]
moiety	can i keep two emails on one key?	[10:52]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Yeah, but that is the least of details	[10:52]
moiety	i know being destroyed is priority	[10:53]
moiety	ke3	[10:54]
BingoBoingo	Bxd1	[10:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [-]	[10:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.1221 = 1.8315 BTC [-]	[10:55]
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moiety	you bastard	[10:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]	[10:56]
moiety	she didnt do anything to you	[10:57]
moiety	rxd1	[10:57]
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BingoBoingo	Nf6	[10:59]
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moiety	Nc5	[11:02]
BingoBoingo	Ng4+	[11:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00087384 = 4.5877 BTC [+]	[11:06]
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moiety	kf3	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	those 7-8 minutes lasted a while.	[11:08]
MisterE	why least likely hedge mircea_popescu? That's the fastest tradeoff you get short of asic?	[11:11]
BingoBoingo	Ne5+	[11:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087384 = 8.4762 BTC [+] {2}	[11:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0749995 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}	[11:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]	[11:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[11:18]
moiety	ke2 :(	[11:18]
BingoBoingo	Nxc4	[11:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16536 @ 0.00087375 = 14.4483 BTC [-] {2}	[11:26]
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KRS-One	btc-e is down, rumors is that it was taken down perm	[11:30]
BingoBoingo	lol	[11:31]
moiety	Nxb7	[11:31]
BingoBoingo	Qxa2	[11:33]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[11:34]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	MisterE they could (and do) hedge by putting btc on the bitbet diff bets	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	they could (and perhaps to a smaller degree d0) hedge by trading diff futures	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	buying fpgas is not unlike buying taxicabs. not much to do with anything.	[11:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00087209 = 32.4627 BTC [-] {3}	[11:36]
moiety	i cant reverse my last one rc1	[11:40]
BingoBoingo	Qxb2+	[11:41]
herbijudlestoids	i haz returned	[11:42]
moiety	kd1	[11:43]
moiety	im still losing!	[11:43]
moiety	wb!	[11:43]
herbijudlestoids	hehe, did you sort out your gpg key?	[11:43]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Qd2++	[11:44]
BingoBoingo	Good game	[11:44]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You ready for a game?	[11:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00087105 = 23.8711 BTC [-] {3}	[11:46]
herbijudlestoids	sure, BingoBoingo give me 5 to browse the algebraic notation page for chess	[11:46]
BingoBoingo	K	[11:47]
moiety	ok be honest, how often could you have finished it before BingoBoingo?!	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You prefer white or black?	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I doubt he followed too close	[11:47]
moiety	and i did herbi! thanks :D	[11:47]
herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: happy to flip on it	[11:48]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Heads or tails?	[11:48]
moiety	no BingoBoingo i was sking you how much you let we away with lol	[11:49]
herbijudlestoids	heads pls	[11:49]
moiety	asking*	[11:49]
BingoBoingo	;;coin	[11:49]
gribble	tails	[11:49]
herbijudlestoids	ok i think i understand	[11:49]
herbijudlestoids	pls pull me up on any mistakes re notation	[11:49]
BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: tails, I prefer black. Your move.	[11:49]
moiety	was fun with the board that	[11:49]
moiety	:D	[11:49]
herbijudlestoids	e4	[11:50]
BingoBoingo	d6	[11:50]
herbijudlestoids	b3	[11:51]
BingoBoingo	Nf6	[11:51]
herbijudlestoids	Nc3	[11:52]
BingoBoingo	g6	[11:52]
herbijudlestoids	Rb1	[11:53]
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BingoBoingo	Bg7	[11:53]
herbijudlestoids	Bc4	[11:55]
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BingoBoingo	0-0	[11:56]
herbijudlestoids	how do i do the 0-0 on the html board	[11:56]
herbijudlestoids	got it	[11:58]
BingoBoingo	Ke8 to g8 and rook h8 to f8	[11:58]
herbijudlestoids	g4	[11:59]
BingoBoingo	Bxg4	[11:59]
herbijudlestoids	f3	[12:00]
BingoBoingo	e5	[12:02]
herbijudlestoids	xg4	[12:02]
herbijudlestoids	err should be fxg4 i guess sorry	[12:03]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[21:04]
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dub	lol	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07110001 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	DECLARATION CERTIFIEE SINCERE	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	Votre Honneur,	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	Je suis	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	Mademoiselle Valérie TAGRO, jeune ivoirienne âgée de 21 ans. Je suis une	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	ancienne lauréate du concours de beauté « Miss Cote D'Ivoire ».	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	Je	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	suis aujourd'hui orpheline et je n'ai plus personne pour m'aider et pour	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	me guider.	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	somehow it sounds even dirtier in french	[21:08]
asciilifeform	gift from the spam gods?	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	yea	[21:09]
HeySteve2	ah, mircea_popescu. I was wondering you had any comment on "Pandacoin PANDA AKA The Asian Doge Coin / Doge 2.0"	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	sounds legit.	[21:09]
HeySteve2	it is due to be launched tomorrow, with lots of love from Doge pump and dumper Wolong	[21:10]
HeySteve2	pre-mine will be a modest 3%	[21:10]
mod6	sad panda	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve2 does it have a sarcasm detection mechanism ?	[21:11]
HeySteve2	indeed, but I forgot the best feature. Wolong said he's ready to work with authorities to combat terrorism right in the announce thread	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	what makes you think anyone asked "wolong" anything ?	[21:12]
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HeySteve2	well, the coin launched with an open letter from Wolong.	[21:13]
HeySteve2	exciting stuff	[21:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: from the Fun With Widgets dept.: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve2 i tell you i don't see it.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	guy's not even in the wot.	[21:14]
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HeySteve2	shocker	[21:14]
asciilifeform	tldr ver.: drive bus DMA over NIC with diddled ROM.	[21:14]
HeySteve2	well the link is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=460037.0	[21:15]
asciilifeform	fun for the whole family	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform omfg, look, slovenian! kakobrekla has been a bad boy!	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	Well, I would say that it took me approximately 500 man-hours to get to the stage of having a working "shell"	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	this security, that can be breached in 500 hours.	[21:17]
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mircea_popescu	feels like we all live in barbie's townhouse.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	Arrigo Triulzi: The only way would be trusted computing if implemented properly and without the DRM halo which it normally carries.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	this is not actually correct. the correct way is triangular network designs.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	much cheaper and definitely practical.	[21:19]
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asciilifeform	those 'willing to open their third eye' will see the market for deliberately-minimal HW - e.g. NICs without general-purpose CPUs, etc.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	(wtf does a NIC need a dual-core MIPS?)	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	which ironically will be a major chance for the third world.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	it's funny how this battle goes over the years. africa, south america and central asia are colonised, because they suck.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	so they suck colonist cock and try their best.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	however, by the time they get their tech to the level of making their own lightbulbs and other peripherals	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	well suddenly the ex-colonizers decide the kind of lightbulbs they can make are illegal to use.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	however, just about at the same time the most important industry of the colonizers, ie silicone processing, has "progressed" past the point of usefulness	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	which opens a door just in time. a brazilian made "ancient" technology nic could command a premium in the marketplace	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	all the while cisco reports quarters of zero sales	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	like it did last q.	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	logically we'd expect this producer to get no likes on facebook.	[21:31]
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ThickAsThieves	Bitcoin Now Accounts for 10% of Sales at Porn.com	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	Porn.com sells bitcoins?	[21:40]
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benkay	another 2 hour vm provisioning killed because apple kills the wifi card when the display goes off.	[21:41]
benkay	raaaage	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	anyone know what the cool kids use to display custom fonts on websites these days?	[21:42]
davout	benkay: i've never experienced that	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nah, but it sells very little porn.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	benkay it does.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	oops i mean davout it does.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	chick has a tablet, can't be used for irc because apple has decided it will turn off devices. unless you root the shit you're stuck.	[21:45]
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KRS-One	.bait	[21:46]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6p4bHQjY1qh9l2to1_500.jpg	[21:46]
davout	mircea_popescu: yeah ios sucks, but on a powered laptop or on a desktop the wifi doesn't go just because the display goes off	[21:47]
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pankkake	ThickAsThieves: http://sixrevisions.com/css/font-face-guide/ https://www.google.com/fonts	[21:47]
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davout	not sure about a laptop that's not plugged to the power	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck would you run ios on anything but a tablet.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	then again i guess who the fuck provisions vms from a tablet.	[21:48]
asciilifeform	if there's a widget other than phone/tablet that runs ios, this is news.	[21:48]
davout	mircea_popescu: yeah, irc on a tablet, bad idea, provisioning a vm on a tablet, that's too mainstream	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	uh	[21:49]
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mircea_popescu	you can't even type.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	some people use tablets as 'dumb terminals.'	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	so how do you produce a tilde and three dashes ? you dictate it /	[21:50]
asciilifeform	(with keyboards plugged in)	[21:50]
davout	an ipad is a pretty good reddit terminal	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	a like that. kay.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	how much is an apple kbd, 300 bucks ?	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	(no sarcasmo)	[21:50]
davout	100 eur last i checked	[21:50]
asciilifeform	takes standard 'bluetooth' kbd	[21:51]
davout	or 80	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	that should work then	[21:51]
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davout	yeah, vim on an ipad with your bluetooth keyboard, now that's hip	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	seems for all the trouble you could have just had a dildo.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	fuck me.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	ok, this is rich : dildo shaped smartphone	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	you can just sit on it at your cafe while wearing a hat	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	and typing on your bluetooth kbd	[21:52]
davout	heh	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	anyone wants to use the phone they can just blow in your as.	[21:52]
asciilifeform	the 'tablet terminal' crap would probably vanish if <1kg laptops with 12+hr batteries were available.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wtf do you care, you got a car anyway, right ?	[21:53]
davout	asciilifeform: the macbook air gets pretty close	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	i knew this fellow who had his trunk always full. 1-200 loaded laptop batteries/	[21:53]
asciilifeform	not me. but people with certain odd habits (working in cafes, on the shitter, etc)	[21:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: barely anything comes with removable batteries now.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc.	[21:54]
asciilifeform	depends on the cell chemistry	[21:54]
asciilifeform	Li cell wants to be kept ~70% full at all times, if i recall	[21:54]
asciilifeform	hates cycling; full discharge, even more.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	didn't it have a memory effect ?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	an you're supposed to fully draw it ?	[21:55]
asciilifeform	that's NiCD	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	so i guess this answers the q :D	[21:55]
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asciilifeform	Li cell is a scam on the consumer, really. more or less worthless after 2 yrs. or so.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	"2 years should be enough for anybody"	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	thanks pankkake, i will also look at your php thing tonight hopefully	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	srsly now... if you've not outgrown your toys in two years it's time for the parents to pack you off for the development specialist. you got issues.	[21:56]
asciilifeform	got a 16 yr. old lappy here.	[21:57]
CheckDavid	apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. <-- what?	[21:57]
CheckDavid	the best thing?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	http://rche.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~hayashi/syumi/lib110s.jpg	[21:57]
asciilifeform	(not mine, but same)	[21:58]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu, that is with the old batteries	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid well yeah, it emerged in the conversation. this was happening cca 2003 so i guess it checks out.	[21:58]
CheckDavid	oh	[21:58]
benkay	new laptops every year	[21:59]
benkay	classic hedonic treadmill	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform looks oddly soviet.	[21:59]
asciilifeform	it's brick-solid.	[21:59]
benkay	"oh and also we added new widgets to the UI and forced a push out to all boxen so here you go now your perfectly serviceable 2 year old device runs at 1/4 speed because ACCELEROMETER-CONNECTED UI WIDGETRY"	[21:59]
asciilifeform	one you learn to type with 8 fingers, it's among the best laptop kbds.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	benkay heh who the fuck runs original os ontheir laptop.	[22:00]
asciilifeform	afaik, among the last laptops made in japan	[22:00]
benkay	mircea_popescu: us derpy web and interaction engineers	[22:00]
benkay	"engineers"	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	well fuck them then.	[22:00]
davout	mircea_popescu: i do, because saint jobs willed it that way	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	well fuck you then.	[22:01]
kakobrekla	evenin	[22:01]
benkay	i'm pretty sure my environment's attitude to me is "fuck you" anyways.	[22:01]
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mircea_popescu	benkay it's what i'm sayin' :)	[22:01]
asciilifeform	also among the last laptops without built-in wireless or ethernet.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla why did you break the nice guy's firewall ?	[22:01]
kakobrekla	heh yeah, thats old by now.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	for shame.	[22:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003 = 0.9 BTC [+]	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	benkay speaking of the ui bs, ubuntu did the exact thing with its v12	[22:02]
benkay	mircea_popescu: some day this year we'll be able to afford an office	[22:03]
benkay	some day shortly after that i'm ditching laptops as a 'work' machine.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	and yes i tell you, desktops are the best tops.	[22:03]
benkay	yeah	[22:03]
asciilifeform	laptops are not used 'from a good life.'	[22:03]
benkay	although babes want to consume television in various places around the house	[22:04]
kakobrekla	since when is this page up?	[22:04]
kakobrekla	http://alphatesters.secretbitcoinproject.com/	[22:04]
ozbot	Secret Bitcoin Project - Come see.	[22:04]
benkay	i might just mandate that television watching happens on that thing in the corner.	[22:04]
kakobrekla	ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET	[22:04]
Apocalyptic	heh	[22:04]
benkay	FUKKEN YEAH	[22:05]
benkay	IT HAS ROCKETS AND LASERS AND SHIT	[22:05]
kakobrekla	FUKKEN LAZERZ	[22:05]
davout	oh this...	[22:05]
kakobrekla	;;lasers	[22:05]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET <<< lmao	[22:05]
kakobrekla	is true	[22:05]
kakobrekla	sez I'm hiring devs & a designer. Email me at jobs@secretbitcoinproject. on top	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	well i guess they owe you one then for advertising their shitty gem ?	[22:06]
kakobrekla	"i cant tell you what it is, you want to work on in?" "yes."	[22:06]
davout	kakobrekla: leave your e-mail, you'll be invited to put him in touch with devs	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	funny how people just rehash the same old scams. so bitcoin investment gems run dry ? it's okay, make doge, the altchain investment gem	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't take money, lives off your redditardation.	[22:06]
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mircea_popescu	now they have the same principle applied to hiring.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	basically everythning the western world is capable of making anymore is powered by mass curiosity, boredom, fear, generally emotions.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	we're reduced to an emotions mill. the only power we can still harness.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	forget fire and waterfall.	[22:07]
benkay	fire and waterfall?	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	yes. fire and waterfall, the original things that europe used to fuck over the entire rest of the world.	[22:08]
benkay	waterfall as in 'software mgmt'?	[22:09]
benkay	wtf are you on about	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	no dude, as in water falling	[22:09]
kakobrekla	lolz	[22:09]
davout	lel	[22:09]
kakobrekla	hahaha	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	this was pretty good	[22:09]
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kakobrekla	!b 25	[22:09]
benkay	the depths of my ignorance...	[22:10]
assbot	Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1614967/plain/)	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	you know, originally it went like fire -> metalworking -big jump-> firearms	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	waterfalling -> mills -big jump-> steam power	[22:10]
benkay	yeah i got there eventually	[22:10]
kakobrekla	waterfalling -> put off the fire -> metalworking with cold metal	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	both the big jumps are simply switching to a different, more powerful, cheaper, easier to deploy aspect of the same principle	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla heretic	[22:11]
kakobrekla	:>	[22:11]
kakobrekla	bbl	[22:12]
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benkay	is it so surprising, though mircea_popescu? the us is the land of 'get rich quick accidentally'. people don't understand the world at all, so anything mysterious might make them rich as they don't understand things to begin with.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	it didn't use to be.	[22:15]
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benkay	long long time ago	[22:16]
benkay	"i can still remember when/the us used to get shit done"	[22:16]
benkay	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U#t=8	[22:17]
ozbot	Don McLean- American Pie (with Lyrics) - YouTube	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	i liked the madonna version.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	am i evil ?	[22:20]
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benkay	oh god	[22:23]
benkay	so america	[22:23]
benkay	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVieEO6GuU	[22:24]
ozbot	Madonna - American Pie - YouTube	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	http://coinbits.com/2013/02/04/stage-n-bitcoin-exists-pe-trilema-un-blog-de-mircea-popescu/	[22:25]
ozbot	Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe Trilema – Un blog de Mircea Popescu. \| Bitcoin News Bits - CoinBits.co	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	check out these fuckwits. "here's a scathing mp article we stole. would you like to buy ripples now ?"	[22:25]
mike_c	that link redirected me to some scam site..	[22:27]
asciilifeform	they lifted some turd from my site a while ago, too	[22:27]
mike_c	who are these people betting 20 satoshis on JD? how is that fun?	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0054 = 0.162 BTC [-]	[22:29]
mike_c	he won 1 satoshi. he'll be rich soon.	[22:29]
mike_c	https://just-dice.com/roll/628591801	[22:29]
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Apocalyptic	hey mike_c, working on the JD investment analysis ?	[22:32]
mike_c	yeah.	[22:32]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c maybe testing the randomness ?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	or maybe just you know, the bottom of a monte carlo.	[22:36]
asciilifeform	haha, anybody run 'dieharder' on JD/SD/etc. ?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	mike_c might.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	hey mike, you know diehard/er ?	[22:36]
asciilifeform	to the victor go the spoils.	[22:37]
mike_c	if i don't publish anything you'll know what the results were :)	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	lolwut ?	[22:37]
mike_c	you'll know it's not so random.	[22:38]
Apocalyptic	heh	[22:38]
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Apocalyptic	and we'll know that you're slowly drying out the investment pool	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	why would you not publish if it came out rotten ?!	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	o hahaha	[22:39]
Apocalyptic	cuz he be stealin yo	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	i have my slow moments	[22:39]
asciilifeform	well, taking the whole piggy home is a kind of 'publish.'	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	i put a lookout for the "mysterious m_c player emptied jd bank" threads	[22:39]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, that's why he would have to do it wisely and blame good luck	[22:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3200 @ 0.00016999 = 0.544 BTC [+] {4}	[22:40]
asciilifeform	see 'The Eudaemonic Pie.'	[22:40]
asciilifeform	always seemed to be like 'provably fair' dice is inherently at odds with sane rng.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	fun twist : http://trilema.com/2011/earth-hour-s-o-facem-lata/ back in march 2011 i got pissed off at earth hour and declared i will plug everything i nthe house and make my vid card go 100% just so!	[22:42]
asciilifeform	that is, you're stuck with prng.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	then a few months later i got the gift of bitcoin	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	and i never had to do this since.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how you reason ?	[22:42]
asciilifeform	well, the whole concept, as i understand, is based on using a prng and disclosing seeds periodically.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but inasmuch as you rely in any fashion on blockchain generated numbers	[22:43]
asciilifeform	when using a trng, there is no way to mechanically prove that you are doing so	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	they're an actual rng	[22:43]
asciilifeform	any rng where a planet full of bozos contributes to the state is arguably questionable	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	no question	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	but questionable or not it is still a rng	[22:44]
asciilifeform	sort of like if a casino let the crowd piss on the roulette wheel.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	yes but see	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	once you have an actual rng, there's tricks to fix it	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	like the coin flip etc	[22:45]
asciilifeform	this only works against 'natural' bias.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	but planet full of bozos...well...	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	a good approximation of nature, at the very least	[22:46]
pankkake	mircea_popescu did it in Romanian, pankkake did it in French http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2011/03/26/lheure-de-la-terre/	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	pankkake together with our powers combined we are	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	SERGEANT BITCOIN!	[22:46]
pankkake	capitaine planète !	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	fucking hell same day too.	[22:47]
*	asciilifeform opens Pollution Factory (tm), taunts cpt. plnt.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	Pour manifester mon soutien à cette initiative trop peu médiatisée, j’ai éteint à 20h30 les deux ampoules à LED qui m’éclairaient.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	Puis j’ai mis en route un sèche-linge, deux plaques électriques, et un emerge -u1avDN world, le tout en musique grâce à un ampli à tubes. Comme il faisait un peu noir j’ai allumé les 8 ampoules halogènes qui étaient à ma disposition. Et comme il faisait un peu chaud avec tout ça, j’ai ouvert la porte de mon réfrigérateur.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	win.	[22:47]
*	asciilifeform feeds mutant beetles, whistles.	[22:47]
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asciilifeform	(actual scene from that dreadful show)	[22:47]
pankkake	anyway, those things don't reduce electrical consumption and just create more problems for power plants :p	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake yep.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	the best part to my taste is this :?	[22:48]
pankkake	so we saved the word	[22:48]
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pankkake	world	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	the coal burning power plants release X mercury into atmosphere as part of their working.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	ceteris paribus the halogen lamps reduce this to about .4 X	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	however they contain between .7 X and 2.2 X mercury in themselves.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	so you know, instead of having that thing settle somewhere in the desert, it simply got moved in your kitchen.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	this is the whole of the progress involved.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you're thinking of 'fluorescent' tube, rather than halogen	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes yes	[22:49]
benkay	think also of all the energy recoverable from the mass headed towards the landfill	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	the philips shits	[22:50]
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asciilifeform	holy trio, 'expensive/shoddy/deadly'	[22:50]
asciilifeform	of envirowhinerism.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/images/mercurylampsfigure1.jpg	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	actually... you know.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	FL isn't a hg arc lamp, the 'fluorescent' refers to the inner coating of the bulb, well, fluorescing.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	you can get pretty much any spectrum you want (other than blackbody) - just buy the right rare earths.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/mercuryarc.html a good article overall	[22:52]
ozbot	ZEISS Microscopy Online Campus \| Mercury Arc Lamps	[22:52]
asciilifeform	hg arc is typically found in high-end microscopes, etc	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, this is the thing : http://www.edisontechcenter.org/lighting/mercVapor/MercGlowDiagram.jpg	[22:53]
pankkake	overall I like the halogen replacements. they definitely are not low consumption but they seem to last longer	[22:53]
benkay	i'm a huge fan of the pot lights	[22:54]
benkay	we installed one in a shop of mine once	[22:54]
davout	pankkake: haha i remember reading this article a while ago, awsum	[22:54]
benkay	we'd work until 8, 9 pm before realizing it was dark outside	[22:54]
benkay	shitloads of flux, tuned for summer spectrum	[22:55]
pankkake	ideally I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day	[22:55]
benkay	made me so dang happy!	[22:55]
benkay	had so much energy, it was amazing.	[22:55]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:55]
pankkake	like http://jonls.dk/redshift/	[22:55]
asciilifeform	pankkake: I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day << submarine?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	or so i recall	[22:56]
*	pankkake adds submarine to wishlist	[22:56]
benkay	pankkake: i want to sleep in a completely-blacked out room that spins up the lights with the daylight.	[22:56]
benkay	that's the kind of home remodeling i can get into...	[22:56]
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ThickAsThieves	"Is there anything the Bitcoin Foundation can do to help solve this problem?"	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	maybe we could all get submarines	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	with hashing	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	Karpeles: "The Bitcoin Foundation has hired Bitcoin Developers for the purpose of promoting Bitcoin use. I guess the most puzzling part is why this issue hasn’t be[en] solved since 2011."	[22:57]
davout	http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/ <<<< so much win	[22:57]
ozbot	Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen : ~4474.26BTC \| Deep Dot Web	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah it was up like two weeks	[22:57]
Duffer1	who could have seen that coming	[22:58]
Duffer1	:/	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves "because they were saving it so karpeles could offer a "credible" lie as to why his well known fractional reserve scam blew open" ?	[22:58]
asciilifeform	seacoin.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	funny tho, he couldn't find investors fast enough.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	then the investors who he did find that didn't heed my "you will be butchered" warning got their fingers caught.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	so much sadness everywhere.	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	"First off, Facebook says that San Francisco residents have the smallest chance of getting into a relationship among people in any of the 50 largest American cities."	[22:59]
asciilifeform	http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/05/bank-zachodni-wbk-cashing-out-bitcoin-through-prepaid-visa-cards/	[22:59]
ozbot	Bank Zachodni WBK – Cashing out Bitcoin through Prepaid VISA Cards \| Deep Dot Web	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:59]
asciilifeform	at some point these folks will grow brains	[22:59]
asciilifeform	and do it right.	[22:59]
Duffer1	"Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty."	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well... not these folks. but maybe some other folks.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 "recently discovered in 2011" lolz.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	trace that "vendor", it's them.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	perfect excuse to the "we run off with teh coin" thing. much better than the used up "we were haxed" workhorse.	[23:01]
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Duffer1	yea that's my thoughts	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i guess it's time for a mtgox burial article.	[23:01]
jborkl	if you can not trust your two week old internet drug dealer-- what is next?	[23:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086705 = 3.2948 BTC [-]	[23:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.0008694 = 8.0272 BTC [+] {3}	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11567 @ 0.00087372 = 10.1063 BTC [+]	[23:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04716666 = 0.283 BTC [-] {2}	[23:11]
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benkay	pretty astonishing number of coins hitting these mktplacen	[23:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087343 = 9.6951 BTC [-] {2}	[23:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.04614534 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {8}	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	!t h rent	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC)	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0472 = 2.3128 BTC [+] {2}	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	benkay i have my doubts 4k btc found their way to said dubious sr thing.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	basically you have two unreconciliable "realities", and only one is real.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: 'strategic...' piece: DMA is an artifact from single-cpu days.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	so it is	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	back then it was safe.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	solves the problem of 'how do i throw bits out (say,) the DAC, at X kHZ, regardless of what load OS is grunting under.'	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00087475 = 24.5367 BTC [+] {3}	[23:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04896982 = 0.9794 BTC [+] {4}	[23:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04870569 = 0.5845 BTC [-] {4}	[23:33]
bloctoc	I wonder how long it will take for the phrase "Silk Road" to replace the word "Al Quaida" as American Press' most feared thingy.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	nah, they'll just say 'wreckers' (or some suitably anglicised equivalent) and be done with it.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1764 since im digging up the logs	[23:34]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[23:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00295642 = 1.1826 BTC [-] {5}	[23:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever happened?	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	what ?	[23:35]
asciilifeform	'a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam'...	[23:36]
asciilifeform	or wrong link?	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	well not afaik	[23:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04896983 = 1.0773 BTC [+] {2}	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	the problem with both of those being that they're not engineering terms.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	ie, the appearance and the reality easily cleaves (a word is an engineering term if appearance and reality never cleave)	[23:36]
asciilifeform	true.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	and the criterion is attached to the reality rather than the appearance.	[23:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00282401 = 1.6944 BTC [-] {12}	[23:37]
asciilifeform	question should've been more specific: 'what if' a 'soviet clone' of mpex, that is, one which bows in agreement to all of the technical decisions.	[23:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 907 @ 0.00040763 = 0.3697 BTC [-] {6}	[23:38]
asciilifeform	although at the time i asked this question, i was not fully aware of the 'birdlessness' of the field.	[23:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04896984 = 1.4201 BTC [+]	[23:38]
asciilifeform	('in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale')	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	so... why not ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	because it's hard.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	right.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	could a soviet soldier be replaced by any other man ?	[23:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.04897985 = 0.8327 BTC [+]	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	sure, just as soon as that other man is willing to eat dog.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	it's not hard in a technological sense, that's the easy part (even if it's what the emotion mill people seem to stumble over)	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002803 = 2.803 BTC [-] {4}	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04898712 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {2}	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	kind of what we're doing here, for that matter. trying to breed the sort of people that can compete with mpex.	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999993 = 1 BTC [+]	[23:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0262 = 0.2358 BTC [-]	[23:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00279843 = 8.3953 BTC [-] {7}	[23:46]
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asciilifeform	re: DMA: it, in itself, is not the problem. the problem, as always, is in the 'mouse-breeding kitchen' of the PC arch. in general.	[23:47]
ThickAsThieves	"We do respect your answer to this thread, but we do not like that you emidialty put your label "scammy" on our project."	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 168 @ 0.04999994 = 8.4 BTC [+] {2}	[23:47]
Duffer1	does it ever stop?	[23:49]
Duffer1	nevermind	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999995 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[23:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039095 = 0.7819 BTC [-] {9}	[23:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999995 = 0.55 BTC [+]	[23:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999995 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0055 = 0.319 BTC	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.00038105 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999995 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[23:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.00087297 = 6.6817 BTC [-]	[23:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087067 = 19.9819 BTC [-] {2}	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.04999996 = 6.2 BTC [+] {3}	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999996 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}	[23:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.0756925 = 0.6055 BTC [-] {5}	[23:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04999996 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3}	[23:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.002798 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {3}	[23:58]
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