Forum logs for 14 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05500014 = 0.275 BTC [+] [00:00]
asciilifeform DMA is also not really confined to PC arch; there's the fact that all recent (20 yrs. or so) DRAM works best in 'burst mode' [00:01]
asciilifeform that is, addr is clocked in, and auto-incremented for N cycles [00:01]
asciilifeform since a 'von-neumann style' cpu cannot guarantee 'paying attention' for a sufficiently-large N of cycles, we get dma. [00:02]
asciilifeform to understand 'burst', see any sdram datasheet, e.g. [00:03]
asciilifeform i mention this in the hope of making it clear how pervasive the architectural problem mentioned in MP's piece is. [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0818 = 0.409 BTC [+] [00:05]
benkay much informative! [00:06]
benkay big problem. [00:06]
asciilifeform that is, not the fact of dma being satanic in and of itself (it isn't), but just how thoroughly hardware designers are enslaved by architectural oddness beyond their control. [00:06]
asciilifeform e.g. support PCI or die, support consumer SDRAM sticks or die, etc. [00:07]
ThickAsThieves mircea_popescu lawsky wants you to write more blogs to tell him how to make the bitlicense regulations [00:07]
mircea_popescu can i has summary ? [00:08]
asciilifeform virtually no one gets to 'design a computer' now. (not apple, either.) they get to glue the same old crap together in mildly-different ways. [00:08]
ThickAsThieves it's long... [00:09]
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ThickAsThieves about 11min he starts saying that [00:09]
ThickAsThieves and then gives some examples of things he's considering [00:09]
asciilifeform if fpga with published internal specs existed (as it did in 1994, say) but of modern proportions, this could change. [00:10]
Duffer1 "think of it as open-source code regulation" [00:11]
asciilifeform (see and below) [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698 = 0.349 BTC [+] [00:12]
kakobrekla [00:13]
ozbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? [00:13]
kakobrekla zomg wtf is this some new levels of sarcasm i dont get?=! [00:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00086941 = 16.3197 BTC [-] [00:21]
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mircea_popescu [00:30]
ozbot MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:30]
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mircea_popescu rassah is back ?! [00:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 580 @ 0.0001734 = 0.1006 BTC [+] {9} [00:32]
kakobrekla what is this article about, anyway. [00:32]
kakobrekla take a look [00:32]
kakobrekla [00:32]
kakobrekla scissors and tape [00:32]
kakobrekla mtgox - making collages since bitcoin [00:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1426 @ 0.00017948 = 0.2559 BTC [+] {7} [00:33]
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decimation ascii - in your article the interviewer proposes fixing the diddled NIC with a TPM chip - lel [00:34]
kakobrekla is this rassah some idiot i forgot about? [00:34]
decimation need a TPM in my mouse [00:34]
decimation And a TPM in my TPM [00:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla well old timer, was really excited when btc broke 30, posted a story on forum about how he bought btc w/o his partner's knowledge out of their savbings, then sold out and bought a car [00:35]
mircea_popescu for great profit [00:35]
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mircea_popescu but then as btc exploded i kind-of lost track [00:35]
mircea_popescu karpeles looks like he's writing php [00:36]
kakobrekla bought a fucking car. why does this ring a bell. [00:37]
mircea_popescu because people. and cars. [00:37]
kakobrekla kanzure Keefe kleinessteak knotwork Kromulus KRS-One Kushedout [00:37]
mircea_popescu hey k: Advance Domain Availability Notice:You may be interested in, which will be available by auction soon. [00:37]
kakobrekla i got taht shit too. [00:38]
kakobrekla well done! [00:38]
mircea_popescu they're srsly handspamming us ? [00:38]
kakobrekla i have no other explanation [00:39]
mircea_popescu << 2012 stuff. "10% return on my S.MPOE trade today yesss 4.5 BTC" ; "It was a once in a lifetime opportunity I bought all that was available below 36000" [00:39]
ozbot The Bitcoin Conference Nobody Went To pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:39]
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mod6 mp: nice write up on gox [00:40]
mircea_popescu mod6 im sure it'll be all the rage on reddit. [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00086705 = 18.5228 BTC [-] [00:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053534 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {3} [00:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2585 @ 0.00017998 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {4} [00:48]
mod6 lol one guy in r/mtgox was just trying to buy someones account [00:48]
mod6 [00:48]
ozbot Does anyone want to sell me there MT Gox account ? : MtGox [00:48]
mod6 kids these days.. [00:48]
Bugpowder Thinknig of making some more money on S.MPOE... just need to get the new key working with pyMPEX [00:48]
mircea_popescu mod6 link him to the earlier discussion here ? [00:50]
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mod6 Bug: should just be able to add the new key to your keyring and then grab the latest version [00:52]
mod6 if it's got this line: self._mpex_fingerprint = 'A57D509A' [ you should be ok ] [00:52]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ahh, I would, don't have reddit acct. [00:53]
mod6 maybe I can just make an anon comment? /me tries [00:53]
mircea_popescu mod6 that's their curse, nobody with a clue has accounts [00:53]
mircea_popescu eh let it be, makes no diff. [00:53]
mod6 ahh, ok. [00:54]
mike_c Bugpowder: have you seen herbi's charts? I think he decided if you see between 7 and 9 downward ticks you buy immediately for fast profits! [00:54]
mod6 lol "Moderators: MagicalTux" :: He'd prolly just delete the post. [00:55]
Bugpowder I'll give it a try again. I have a bit of an issue because I use a sub key for my own key and need to specify it directly in the pyMPEX script. [00:55]
mod6 ahh [00:56]
mircea_popescu mod6 i doubt he has the time for anything these days. [00:57]
mod6 too busy programming strange things in php [00:57]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder how did that hk thing work in the end ? [00:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053138 = 0.2497 BTC [-] {6} [00:58]
Bugpowder China spread collapsed before we could set it up [00:58]
Bugpowder but it was good to talk to a good lawyer team about bitcoin financial issues [00:59]
mircea_popescu spreads will rise again. [00:59]
BingoBoingo [00:59]
ozbot MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history : Bitcoin [00:59]
mircea_popescu lol stealth [00:59]
mircea_popescu pretty much the only thing one can say about 2014 btc/fiat is "spreads" [01:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 723 @ 0.00018181 = 0.1314 BTC [+] {3} [01:00]
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herbijudlestoids hullo ladies/gents [01:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 912 @ 0.00018219 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {3} [01:03]
mircea_popescu Add to the very narrow margins and very active competition the burden of regulatory infringement. Money changers are spending as it is now literally immense sums (in Bitcoin terms) to try and mostly comply with obscure and convoluted regulation, which they can’t avoid or ignore because they’re always stuck with one foot in fiat. In exchange for this draining expenditure they are receiving nothing at all, certainly [01:04]
mircea_popescu not the protection of their etatist overlords. [01:04]
mircea_popescu They’re not in fact receiving as much as recognition of status or effort, they find themselves in the untenable position of a poor immigrant who is spending all his wages and borrowing at unbearable, immigrant-ghetto rates to buy flowers and wine for some local beauty who barely even registers their desperation or even presence. [01:04]
mircea_popescu [01:04]
ozbot Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:04]
mircea_popescu god i wish i was a girl so i could fuck myself. [01:04]
KRS-One i would fondle my boobies. [01:04]
KRS-One .bait [01:04]
ozbot [01:04]
KRS-One pfft [01:04]
KRS-One .bait [01:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-] [01:04]
ozbot [01:04]
mircea_popescu what pff, you discriminate against onelegged women ? [01:04]
herbijudlestoids last night i put 10ATC onto openex in a cascade limit [01:04]
imsaguy hi [01:04]
herbijudlestoids just to see what would happen [01:05]
KRS-One I demand a certain quality of bait. [01:05]
herbijudlestoids all the way down to 1 satoshi over the highest bid [01:05]
mircea_popescu imsaguy ello [01:05]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so what happened ? [01:05]
imsaguy ltns [01:05]
herbijudlestoids went to the bathroom and someone had cleared about 5.25 out [01:05]
herbijudlestoids by the time igot back [01:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-] [01:05]
mircea_popescu at 600 ?! [01:05]
herbijudlestoids no [01:06]
herbijudlestoids from 201 to 275 [01:06]
herbijudlestoids i had it in 0.125 and 0.5ATC increments [01:06]
mircea_popescu herbi, how would you like to be my atc daytrader on openex ? [01:06]
herbijudlestoids lol [01:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70909 @ 0.00019548 = 13.8613 BTC [+] {37} [01:06]
herbijudlestoids will you send me some BTC to actually limit bid the market? [01:07]
herbijudlestoids or do i have to take some ATC hits to generate my own BTC to limit the market [01:07]
mircea_popescu no, ima send you some atc. [01:07]
Bugpowder Is ATC listed on cryptsy yet? [01:07]
herbijudlestoids yea well its kinda fuckin hard to be a successful daytrader in a 0 liquidity market :P [01:07]
pankkake what, under 500 satoshi?! I should have sold all my stuff to jurov! [01:07]
herbijudlestoids unless i have the fund to make my own market [01:07]
mircea_popescu if it's hard when it's easy then it's hard permanently. [01:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1408 @ 0.00019999 = 0.2816 BTC [+] [01:07]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. [01:07]
mircea_popescu actually, do we like crypsy ? [01:08]
herbijudlestoids i dun think we do [01:08]
KRS-One i think crypsy sucks ass [01:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? [01:08]
herbijudlestoids certainly not the xchange iv been hearing ThickAsThieves talking about [01:08]
herbijudlestoids hes mentioning other ones iirc [01:08]
KRS-One LOL scamspert [01:08]
pankkake I use cryptsy… but it's so broken [01:08]
mircea_popescu mkay then. we don't like cryptsy. [01:08]
jurov pankkake :> [01:08]
pankkake auto sell doesn't work anymore [01:08]
mircea_popescu pankkake heretic [01:08]
Apocalyptic Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. // we certainly don't [01:08]
pankkake so I am forced to use that horrible interface [01:08]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so you game or what ? [01:09]
pankkake I guess I could use btc-e for what I do (sell primecoin) [01:09]
Bugpowder I like cryptsy's order matching [01:09]
mike_c mircea_popescu: the "vendor expoliting tx malleability until our wallet was empty" was the silk road excuse, not the mtgox excuse i believe [01:09]
Bugpowder it's so brillian [01:09]
pankkake because it's buggy? :) [01:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 40417 @ 0.00021994 = 8.8893 BTC [+] {25} [01:09]
mircea_popescu mike_c :) [01:09]
mircea_popescu [01:10]
ozbot dpaste: #1615275 [01:10]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: like i said. the market has no liquidity, which makes the only game in town worth playing, making markets. if i cant make on both sides of the book, then its basically me just selling ATC arbitrarily, or i gotta take some initial losses to generate BTC from ATC sales and use those small amount of BTC to make the bids [01:10]
mike_c hehe [01:10]
mike_c ok [01:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23125 @ 0.000257 = 5.9431 BTC [+] {3} [01:10]
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ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? <<<< i dont know any of the people doing any of em, but this morning i inquired with all of them [01:11]
mircea_popescu see Jere_Jones people have a lot of trouble stepping outside of the environment they perceive as familiar and thus imagine safe. [01:11]
herbijudlestoids we arent talking about an exchange running asset class where there is intraday vol [01:11]
herbijudlestoids so its not as if there is some vol to scalp [01:12]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you familiar with the concept that he who can't make a sharpened stick can't make an airplane or anything else ? [01:12]
kakobrekla he who can make a shapened stick can make a buttcoin [01:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla anywhere he wants :D [01:13]
mircea_popescu you know the joke ? [01:13]
herbijudlestoids not specifically [01:13]
mircea_popescu guy goes to brothel, asks for most expensive dame [01:13]
mircea_popescu they bring him a $250 a number chick [01:13]
mircea_popescu he's like im not looking to spend less than 10k [01:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1779 @ 0.000257 = 0.4572 BTC [+] [01:13]
mircea_popescu so he leaves. goes to next brothel. [01:13]
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mircea_popescu they being tipped off pretend like the fee is 10k. [01:14]
mircea_popescu guy follows gal in the room, she sprawls herself on bed, "Honey what'd you like ? cunt ? assgole ?" [01:14]
mircea_popescu the asshole's laying out some shit from his case onto a small table [01:14]
mircea_popescu "babe, for 10k i make my own holes" [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025677 = 0.2568 BTC [-] {2} [01:14]
herbijudlestoids haha [01:14]
mircea_popescu sooo... anyone with a sharpened stick can make his own buttcoin [01:15]
mircea_popescu anywhere he wants. [01:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00298145 = 0.2981 BTC [+] {6} [01:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC [01:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [01:16]
ThickAsThieves mp wants his troops trained before the battle [01:17]
ThickAsThieves brazzers/pornhub taking btc now [01:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves generally, if you live in a town where people have the right to bear arms, it's better to live in the one where people actually know how to use arms. [01:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [01:17]
mircea_popescu this i guess is somewhat counterintuitive [01:18]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i get the joke, its amusing. but i am not sure why you feel what im saying is an indication of trouble for me stepping outside my comfort zone [01:18]
herbijudlestoids i dont mind playing in new markets, but all businesses should be appropriately capitalised [01:19]
mircea_popescu the thinking is like this : it's a bare market. [01:19]
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mircea_popescu any dangers, inconveniences and issues you face, anyone else also faces. [01:19]
herbijudlestoids no [01:19]
mircea_popescu sure, someone could show up with a 100 btc wallet and beat you into a pulp. [01:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025 = 0.25 BTC [-] [01:20]
ThickAsThieves plus if you mm there, i'll have someone to play with! [01:20]
mircea_popescu why would they throw 100 btc on atc ? [01:20]
herbijudlestoids i face one extra risk that say, you, dont [01:20]
mircea_popescu you're immune from it for a very soft yet very strong reason [01:20]
herbijudlestoids they are potentially not undercapitalised [01:20]
mircea_popescu so this is exactly it : you perceive safety in banality. [01:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086736 = 7.4524 BTC [+] [01:21]
mircea_popescu it is illusory. and it blinds you to the actual safety in barren lands [01:21]
decimation As I grow older I've learned to perceive danger in banality [01:21]
mircea_popescu decimation you got at least a decade on him [01:21]
decimation heh yeah I'm almost 35 [01:21]
mircea_popescu maybe not then [01:21]
decimation I'm an old man at heart [01:22]
mircea_popescu lol [01:22]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids this dovetails neatly into an older saying of mine, re the sailor being required to sail the boat in any wind. [01:22]
herbijudlestoids got a skype meeting, back soon [01:22]
decimation prediction: there will be an operating legal BTC exchange in the US within 2 years [01:22]
mircea_popescu that's a sailor. people who can sail a boat in some circumstances are sail management technicians or w.e [01:22]
mircea_popescu decimation that'd be the optimistic view as to the us' future. [01:23]
decimation like pot, the civil servants who run the states can smell the tax revenue [01:23]
decimation I know, but I'm contrary while I'm contrary [01:23]
mircea_popescu im not sayin' it's unlikely or anything, perfectly possible. [01:23]
decimation new york seems really serious about this bitlicense deal [01:24]
mircea_popescu the us turning into a sort of continent sized syria is however also quite possible. [01:24]
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decimation Of course it would with all kinds of AML KYC rules but that's obvious [01:24]
mircea_popescu the only sane way to do that would be making a state agency which handles the aml kyc. [01:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02636138 = 0.2636 BTC [-] [01:25]
mircea_popescu you get the license, the customer applies with the agency. you get the ok, you are legally immune [01:25]
davout mircea_popescu: why is that? [01:25]
mircea_popescu because you don't wish to be involved with or responsible of law enforcing. [01:25]
mircea_popescu you're a businessman not a policeman. let the policemen do their job. [01:25]
decimation If I'm right, then the next leg up on the BTC/USD is going to happen when the trillions of $ in retirement accounts start washing into BTC; via Gresham's law [01:25]
mircea_popescu what trillions ? [01:25]
Apocalyptic the trillions they see on their balance :) [01:26]
davout that how it works though, and it's the sad state of affairs where if you have any sort of financial license you *are* required to monitor activity, and pretty much be the police [01:26]
mircea_popescu :) [01:26]
Apocalyptic not that it's real money or anything [01:26]
mircea_popescu davout so that's what new york may offer to convince me to ok their license bs : [01:26]
davout there's no such thing as a "ok you're kosher" kind of stamp [01:26]
benkay leave those jurisdictions, then. [01:26]
mircea_popescu if they take back enforcing, we can talk. [01:26]
mircea_popescu if they don't... there's nothing on the table. [01:26]
mircea_popescu i mnean sure, they can continue talking to the scammers and be scammed till they're happy and had enough. [01:27]
Apocalyptic davout, reminds me of your model actually [01:27]
davout mircea_popescu: what is it you said once about one party of a deal saying "that's the way it's gonna be" again ? [01:27]
Apocalyptic when essentially LW is the policemen and in charge of validating clients [01:27]
davout Apocalyptic: howso? [01:27]
Apocalyptic you stick to the btc stuff [01:27]
mircea_popescu davout aha ? [01:27]
decimation [01:28]
decimation Total U.S. retirement assets were $17.5 trillion as of December 31, 2010, up 5.2 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010 and up 9.1 percent for the year. [01:28]
ozbot ICI - Retirement Assets Total $17.5 Trillion in Fourth Quarter 2010 [01:28]
davout Apocalyptic: yup, they be the police, i don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole [01:28]
decimation Of course, many of these assets are "invested" in stocks, run by bandits who pump & dump the price [01:28]
mircea_popescu i see your ici and i raise you a trilema : [01:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00023899 = 0.239 BTC [-] {10} [01:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0008693 = 29.9039 BTC [+] {2} [01:29]
mircea_popescu ;;google Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap [01:29]
gribble BitBet, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Politica si Prostie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Thanks to Government, Banks Treat You Like Crap and Spy on You: [01:29]
mircea_popescu derp. omfg google you betray me so. [01:29]
mircea_popescu < there. see the pic. [01:29]
ozbot Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 727 @ 0.00024028 = 0.1747 BTC [+] {7} [01:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0055 = 0.176 BTC [01:30]
decimation on the other hand, the idea of a bitcoin retirement 'fund' is retarded [01:30]
decimation why should some third party keep your keys because the gov't says? [01:30]
decimation it seems a different matter than a third party keeping your gold, for instance [01:30]
mircea_popescu only if you're looking for them to invest for you [01:30]
mircea_popescu otherwise you keep the btc [01:30]
davout Apocalyptic: just FTR LW has access to your EUR data, they have zero access to your BTC history and activity [01:31]
decimation yeah, but the way it works in the us is that you must have a custodian for your retirement account (tax free accrual) [01:31]
Apocalyptic davout, could they get it upon request ? [01:31]
decimation I guess this stems from the root of the problem being that a tax on bitcoin is retarded [01:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18519 @ 0.00087094 = 16.1289 BTC [+] [01:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 192 @ 0.0008353 = 0.1604 BTC [-] [01:32]
jurov lol even wall street veterans are warning against btc regulation [01:32]
mircea_popescu davout thats okay, let them tax it. [01:32]
davout mircea_popescu: the BTC [01:33]
davout ? [01:33]
mircea_popescu the retirement account. [01:33]
davout Apocalyptic: with some court order or w/e [01:33]
mircea_popescu you don't care if it's tax free accrual or not. [01:33]
decimation true, I guess if there is 100x growth, then who cares if the gov't takes 10% [01:34]
decimation or whatever [01:34]
decimation it's their fiat anyway [01:34]
decimation like Shylock, bitcoin owners will take their pound of flesh when the time is right [01:35]
mircea_popescu moreover... if you put taxed money into it [01:35]
mircea_popescu it's untaxable. [01:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00087094 = 9.711 BTC [+] [01:37]
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decimation there is a thing called the "roth IRA" where you save post-income-tax money; USG claims it will never tax it again [01:39]
decimation A fool is born every minute etc. [01:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00024499 = 2.4499 BTC [+] {2} [01:40]
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mircea_popescu decimation hey, in that sense simply living in the us is taking your life in your hands. [01:41]
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decimation you wrote a few days ago about the lunacy of a self-enforcing contract due to the context of language [01:43]
decimation yet there are those here who think the Constitution operates exactly in this way [01:43]
decimation Moldbug is more-or-less correct about the power that rules the us; it's the coordinated actions of the media, civil service, and academia (and all their attachments) [01:44]
mircea_popescu the media has no power. [01:45]
mircea_popescu the academia has... you know, the exact power of romania's "dissident" "inteligentsia" [01:45]
mircea_popescu it is a self-bestowed power of no actual consequence. [01:45]
mircea_popescu let me dig you this thing for you to read : [01:46]
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BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You are marketmaking ATC nao? How long until moon? [01:49]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: i might try and make a lil market today [01:50]
herbijudlestoids see what happens [01:50]
herbijudlestoids looks like someone has come in and put some bid in already at 375 [01:50]
herbijudlestoids good sign [01:50]
herbijudlestoids was it someone here? [01:51]
* BingoBoingo dunno who that could be... [01:51]
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herbijudlestoids im about to narrow the fuck out of that spread [01:51]
herbijudlestoids just waiting for some confirmations on my BTC deposit [01:51]
herbijudlestoids i also found a bug on openex last inght and lodged an issue on github [01:52]
herbijudlestoids seems like ok software tho [01:52]
Apocalyptic herbijudlestoids, was the bug security-related ? [01:52]
herbijudlestoids nah [01:52]
decimation The media has the power to veto things if they are able to make someone look bad [01:53]
herbijudlestoids just in relation to orders >8 decimal places [01:53]
decimation academia has the power to insert ideas into the bureaucratic process [01:53]
mircea_popescu decimation [01:53]
mircea_popescu that's the article, in romanian. [01:53]
mircea_popescu it summarizes a book, which is mostly built on the stenographs of romania's dictator and sole source of power, [01:54]
mircea_popescu meeting romania's academia, in corpore. [01:54]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: chess tonight? :D [01:54]
mircea_popescu the man passed for an idiot in their theoretical writings, he owns them on the floor. not because of a threat of violence, but through simple intellectual superiority. [01:54]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Why not? [01:54]
mircea_popescu this, i am convinced, is the situation of the us academia : they tell each other they're smart, [01:54]
mircea_popescu but if they get caged with a head of civil service they get wiped. [01:55]
mircea_popescu not because the guy orders them killed, but because the guy is actrually smarter than them, and breaks off their metaphorical arms and beats them into a pulp with them [01:55]
herbijudlestoids yey, i will ping you in ~8h [01:55]
decimation I think that's true to some extent - not so with elected officials though [01:56]
decimation The civil service in the US is mostly a jobs program, but the elite staff at the top generally knows what they are doing (like Ceausescu, they have learned through doing) [01:57]
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BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I can't guarantee I'll be awake that far into the future. [01:58]
mircea_popescu so basically... the press is just living off handouts, the academia mostly wishes to circlejerk undisturbed, has first dibs on available cash and otherwise grumbles but is thankful if resources dwindle [01:58]
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mircea_popescu the us is the civil service, like any socialist state, the bureaucracy. [01:59]
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decimation This is mostly true, but the civil service can't entirely ignore the media either. On the other hand, the civil service also tells the media what to print [02:00]
decimation Rule by permanant bureaucracy is actually pretty stable historically [02:00]
decimation look at the Eastern Roman empire, and China [02:00]
mircea_popescu so then yes it can entirely ignore it. [02:01]
mircea_popescu it just tells it what to print. [02:01]
decimation The trick that the us government must navigate is to make the people still think they matter while making all the real decisions for them [02:01]
decimation that's the job of the media largely [02:01]
mircea_popescu it's only stable for as long as there's no new technology. [02:01]
mircea_popescu it is very unstable once the currency is attacked. [02:01]
mircea_popescu louis had the rule by bureaucracy down pat. [02:01]
davout mircea_popescu: nice article, preaching to the converted :-) [02:02]
mircea_popescu this is why attacking the currency is so paramountly important. [02:02]
mircea_popescu davout i like preaching to the converted, they have the best cleavage. [02:02]
davout mircea_popescu: i'll need to ask pankkake to explain this one to me [02:03]
mircea_popescu lol p has good cleavage ?! [02:03]
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davout i don't know what you mean by cleavage [02:03]
pankkake what [02:03]
davout pankkake: your english is better than mine [02:03]
pankkake décolleté [02:03]
decimation I'm certainly a fan of peaceful transitions [02:04]
mircea_popescu [02:04]
decimation hopefully there will be no Committee for Public Safety in the us [02:04]
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pankkake and I don't wear those [02:04]
herbijudlestoids ok back from my calls [02:04]
davout haha i still don't get it >< [02:04]
mircea_popescu decimation peaceful transition is experimentally a function of ethnic and cultural homogenity and size. [02:05]
pankkake me neither [02:05]
mircea_popescu the us is a large, federal (as opposed to national) construct. [02:05]
mircea_popescu it can't not be bloody. [02:05]
mircea_popescu davout me either, but cleavage. [02:05]
davout mircea_popescu: this i get [02:05]
mircea_popescu me too. [02:05]
mircea_popescu daily basis! [02:05]
davout :-) [02:06]
decimation yeah, there are many possibilities but the most likely seems to be falling back to individual soviergnty of the states [02:06]
mircea_popescu corsage cleavage actually. [02:06]
mircea_popescu decimation how do you reason ? [02:06]
decimation especially the ones that haven't been demographically ruined [02:06]
decimation some states are fairly homogeneous, and the idea of a 'state' is a sufficient Schelling point around which militia can rally [02:06]
mircea_popescu except the only point of history n the us is the defeating of such a construct. [02:07]
mircea_popescu or review the legal history of the concept of nullification [02:07]
mircea_popescu no argument that it will probably get bloody around this argument rather than any other, [02:07]
mircea_popescu so a schelling point it is. [02:07]
mircea_popescu just, not for peaceful transition. [02:08]
decimation yeah I think you are likely correct [02:08]
decimation the trouble is that the collapse of the US will engulf the entire world in instability [02:08]
mircea_popescu "the entire world" as seen from the us. [02:09]
mircea_popescu may spill into canada, certainly will destroy mexico. [02:09]
KRS-One decimation is correct, unfortunately [02:09]
KRS-One not sure about the stability part, but it will be felt. [02:09]
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mircea_popescu how ? suddenly much cheaper oil and ciggarettes ? [02:10]
decimation Well, almost all "sovereign" nations today define themselves in relation to US power [02:10]
mircea_popescu how did you end up with that conclusion ? [02:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00025498 = 0.3825 BTC [+] [02:10]
decimation at the very least, there will be a hunt for collaborators [02:11]
mircea_popescu you tihnk ? [02:12]
mircea_popescu that's how medieval italy played out, except everyone inside blamed everyone for doing it [02:12]
mircea_popescu "bringing foreign troops into italia" [02:12]
decimation I guess if everyone is at fault then nobody is at fault [02:12]
mircea_popescu i doubt us people will actually want russian boots in pennsylvania [02:12]
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decimation no they will stop that [02:13]
mircea_popescu obviously should the russians, chinese, saudi, israelis etc etc actually want to set foot [02:13]
mircea_popescu there'll be not many to stop them anyway [02:13]
mircea_popescu decimation incidentally, you know how late venice resolved the problem of french invaders ? [02:13]
jurov mircea_popescu: maybe north korea will invade the south once us troops go home [02:13]
jurov china joins the fray, then japan,... [02:13]
mircea_popescu jurov famished as they are, they'll be prolly beaten off with a stick [02:13]
decimation We are talking 1600's or so? no I don't [02:13]
jurov hopfully and dumbed by meth. [02:14]
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mircea_popescu decimation the venetian whores fucked them well. [02:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000255 = 0.255 BTC [+] [02:14]
mircea_popescu including a certain high ranking chick the french king. [02:15]
mircea_popescu so i can totally see arizona liberated by the las vegas cocksucker tribe. [02:15]
herbijudlestoids im not betting on war :) [02:15]
herbijudlestoids although the senkakku/daiyou island stuff is troubling [02:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+] [02:15]
decimation This was Charles VIII's invasion? [02:16]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids war lite. people shooting each other with small arms as if it were burbank. [02:16]
mircea_popescu decimation yea [02:16]
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decimation interesting. the trouble with a turbulant future for the US (or other nuclear powers) is: what happens to the nukes? [02:17]
mircea_popescu decimation what happened to the russian nukes ? [02:18]
jurov the us bought them [02:18]
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mircea_popescu notrly, but anyway. [02:18]
pankkake does S.MPOE intend to buy nukes? [02:18]
jurov hahaha [02:19]
mircea_popescu if they're cheap enough, why not. [02:19]
mircea_popescu a sovereign is a sovereign, it will do anything it may deem worth doing. [02:20]
decimation indeed, and once a 'bitcoin sovereign' acquires nukes, the foothold will be forever established [02:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086745 = 10.4961 BTC [-] [02:21]
herbijudlestoids [02:21]
ozbot 26 Super-Sexy Pairs Of Men's Underwear Totally Perfect For Valentine's Day [02:21]
decimation The Russian nukes were managed by the civil service who wrought them [02:21]
mircea_popescu decimation not really, it's an expensive and dirty foothold. [02:21]
mircea_popescu we're not living in 1953 [02:21]
decimation Well, if there is a major collapse of the US dollar for instance [02:22]
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decimation the DoD will be broke [02:22]
decimation the aircraft carriers will rot in their docks [02:22]
mircea_popescu decimation expensive i meant in an absolute sense. [02:22]
mircea_popescu you have to maintain them [02:22]
decimation absolutely [02:22]
decimation and the delivery mechanisms [02:22]
mircea_popescu its a major hassle. [02:22]
mircea_popescu one of the reason this sovereign beats that sovereign is that it has a better definition of sovereignity. [02:23]
mircea_popescu one that's not tailored to the last lost war and its constraints. [02:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+] [02:24]
mircea_popescu in 2013 nuclear warheads are about as useful as DTT bombs in an apple model store. [02:24]
mircea_popescu really, they'll kill a fly ? and douse everyone in there in carcinogenics ? [02:24]
jurov they will prolly sell them at thinkgeek [02:24]
mircea_popescu wait till you read the blogfeeds. [02:24]
decimation well, the ultimate argument against nukes today is that wealth is not held physically anymore [02:25]
decimation the value of a city is the sum of all the services its brains can provide [02:25]
decimation nuking the place ruins the value, making it a foolish proposition for any rational actor [02:26]
herbijudlestoids yo mirpop, its 2014 [02:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] [02:26]
mircea_popescu moreover, practically : tokyo was hit worse than if the us had actually detonated a large nuclear warhead. [02:26]
mircea_popescu according to tokio administration, everything is and has been ok. [02:26]
mircea_popescu so i guess... it doesn't do much, after all. [02:26]
jurov there are irrational actors. religious nuttery is actually on the rise. [02:26]
decimation Yeah nukes are actually surprisingly survivable: [02:27]
mircea_popescu jurov the guarantee isn't that no city will be hit. in fact as i say above, at least one already has. [02:27]
mircea_popescu the guarantee is that it won't matter. it won't. [02:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.000255 = 0.9945 BTC [+] [02:29]
decimation even in the red zone you would likely survive the immediate radiation if you were in a simple bunker [02:29]
decimation the pressure and fire, not so much perhaps [02:29]
mircea_popescu this is in fact the laser pointer argument all over again. the earth is very large. nukes are rather limited. see [02:29]
mircea_popescuū_Maru [02:29]
ThickAsThieves from Cryptsy "We pick coins based on what we perceive the volume will be not based on any criteria you can just meet." [02:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000255 = 1.53 BTC [+] [02:30]
ThickAsThieves do it up herb! [02:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1618 @ 0.00087094 = 1.4092 BTC [+] [02:31]
mircea_popescu o looky, wikipedia finally running out of bandwidth ?! [02:31]
pankkake I thought you just had to bribe them [02:32]
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decimation indeed, and any attack against a nuclear state with nukes must always be considered suicidal because of the uncertainty about counter-strikes [02:32]
mircea_popescu "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon." [02:32]
ThickAsThieves technically they dont want romanians reading it [02:33]
herbijudlestoids okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi [02:33]
ThickAsThieves sorry! [02:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3920 @ 0.000255 = 0.9996 BTC [+] [02:33]
herbijudlestoids ill try and keep it so [02:33]
mircea_popescu decimation not quite. the russians would retaliate against the us and eu, the us would probably retaliate against china, [02:33]
mircea_popescu china likely won't retaliate and that's the whole story. [02:33]
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Apocalyptic okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi // you're aware of the fees right ? [02:33]
herbijudlestoids what do you mean? [02:33]
herbijudlestoids i am aware that there is a commission, yes...what does that have to do with the bid/ask spread? [02:34]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you can load the page ? [02:34]
herbijudlestoids Apocalyptic: im trying to build a microstructure and get paid appropriately for it [02:34]
herbijudlestoids haha fuck yes! [02:35]
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herbijudlestoids already some bots seen it [02:35]
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herbijudlestoids i am not the only one with this game in mind it seems, someone has an algo waiting [02:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07166666 = 0.215 BTC [+] {3} [02:36]
Apocalyptic your spread has to be higher than the commission in order to make it profitable disregarding price movement [02:36]
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [02:36]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.97, Best ask: 606.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.02000, Last trade: 603.06, 24 hour volume: 28763.64056223, 24 hour low: 601.54, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.853465711 [02:36]
kakobrekla o no moar gox here as well [02:37]
pankkake finally [02:37]
kakobrekla amazing [02:37]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:37]
benkay ;;ticker --market mtgox [02:38]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.0, Best ask: 444.47083, Bid-ask spread: 0.47083, Last trade: 444.0, 24 hour volume: 29456.16303645, 24 hour low: 444.0, 24 hour high: 549.0, 24 hour vwap: 492.42453 [02:38]
mircea_popescu iiiincredible. [02:38]
kakobrekla options dude mixed up 400 with 4k [02:39]
herbijudlestoids Apocalyptic: gotta build it first. [02:39]
kakobrekla i tell ya. [02:39]
herbijudlestoids Apocalyptic: if i can convince some other fuckers to be doing the same thing then it starts to roll [02:39]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe so. even if he had tho... he'd still be underwater atm [02:39]
* Apocalyptic can't understand how openex can have such a volume [02:40]
kakobrekla myea [02:40]
pankkake openex has volume? [02:40]
Apocalyptic the guy running it is a nobody with shady past history afaik, UI is shit, the engine is PHP and looks like shit too [02:41]
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pankkake so are the other altcoin trading places [02:41]
herbijudlestoids Apocalyptic: doesnt have much volume [02:41]
Apocalyptic it still does way more it should imi [02:41]
Apocalyptic *imo [02:41]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic sounds about right [02:42]
BingoBoingo Their order matching seems to be shit as well. [02:42]
Apocalyptic ^ [02:42]
kakobrekla the string, is not tight enough. [02:42]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? [02:42]
mircea_popescu i think we should ban kakobrekla because he is slanderous. [02:42]
Apocalyptic BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? // try to sell for a price of 0.00001 [02:42]
kakobrekla not this again, whats next, you gonna ask me to fix and run mpex? [02:43]
Apocalyptic order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids [02:43]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: i tried to wipe out your bids with one limit order down to 111 satoshis and it skipped your bids and sold cheap [02:43]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol [02:43]
mircea_popescu order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids << ahahaha WHAT [02:43]
Apocalyptic it's just... WTF [02:43]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: cos theres no liquidity in my bids [02:43]
Apocalyptic yeah mircea, i'm not even joking [02:43]
herbijudlestoids it matched correctly [02:43]
B007 mircea_popescu: [02:43]
herbijudlestoids and if that was you, butthole :P [02:43]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so it puts unfunded bids on the book ?! [02:43]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: when i say no i mean low [02:44]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: No, I just manually sniped your bids after that fail. [02:44]
mircea_popescu so it should have still executed [02:44]
mircea_popescu why skip them [02:44]
herbijudlestoids it didnt skip them [02:44]
herbijudlestoids they were executed! [02:44]
herbijudlestoids i own ~3000 more ATC than i did a few minutes ago [02:44]
Apocalyptic in my experience they weren't [02:44]
Apocalyptic WHAT [02:44]
mircea_popescu B007 ty, what's that ? [02:44]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: They were executed after the sale at 110 satoshis. Because I had to target them at the exact price [02:45]
B007 pics of girls [02:45]
B007 everyone likes girls [02:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2} [02:45]
Apocalyptic seriously this openex is unworthy of ATC [02:45]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: check the ATC trade history [02:45]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic seems so. [02:46]
kakobrekla so can atc buy pussy yet? [02:46]
mircea_popescu but it was the first one in the market. [02:46]
mircea_popescu sorta how mtgox happened. [02:46]
mircea_popescu took 3 years to get rid of. [02:46]
Apocalyptic i wonder why atc does require libboost [02:46]
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Apocalyptic *libboost_chrono [02:47]
herbijudlestoids welp [02:47]
pankkake all bitcoins require it [02:47]
herbijudlestoids now you took my bids i got no more bids [02:47]
herbijudlestoids gg [02:47]
pankkake well, I updated the makefile, older boost versions don't need that change [02:48]
mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo in battlegear [02:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-] [02:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm just waiting for the next challenger to try to close the bid-ask spread [02:49]
kakobrekla is the market cap > than 1 pussy ? [02:49]
Apocalyptic x-bt's libboost libs are too old for that [02:49]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:49]
pankkake openex considers a 30 char password is only "good" [02:49]
mircea_popescu i had no idea there's ecosystem [02:49]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i'll sell you 1 pussy for 100 atc. [02:50]
kakobrekla those better not be digital? [02:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069 = 0.138 BTC [+] [02:50]
mircea_popescu [02:50]
kakobrekla scammed [02:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12471428 = 0.873 BTC [+] {5} [02:51]
herbijudlestoids haha ffs BingoBoingo [02:52]
herbijudlestoids lets see how you like this then [02:53]
mircea_popescu << noobs today. [02:53]
ozbot Crypto Pump Guru (CryptoPumpGuru) on Twitter [02:53]
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mircea_popescu basically the concept of altcoin matched just perfectly on the preexisting pump and dump thing. [02:54]
Duffer1 "Will be doing huge pumps in the future. Honest, safe, never pre-pump." [02:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] [02:54]
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B007 I made some dosh doing pump & dump [02:57]
B007 not much though [02:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: old owner still had working passwords - half a year after the transfer was completed" << Butugichag is waiting with open arms for these fine folks. [02:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 2011 tho. you gotta understand, it was sort-of like atc. [02:59]
mircea_popescu ie, this plaything. [02:59]
kakobrekla B007 i hope you feel proud! [03:00]
herbijudlestoids this is slightly more amusing than chess BingoBoingo [03:00]
herbijudlestoids is it really just you [03:00]
herbijudlestoids or is there other participants in this shenanigans [03:00]
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B007 kakobrekla: I do [03:01]
kakobrekla lel. [03:01]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I dunno [03:01]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu wheres that personal responsibility url [03:01]
kakobrekla slap it to B007's face. [03:02]
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mircea_popescu i'm not shenaniganing. [03:02]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: if you want the market to be liquid at ~100 so be it :P [03:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.00025437 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2} [03:03]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no because who's he. [03:03]
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mircea_popescu is that 100 satoshi ? [03:04]
kakobrekla some dude typing in this box [03:04]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You are the one who keeps Buying high and selling low [03:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo as rickles once said, he's making a loss on every trade but hopes to make it up on volume. [03:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: My favorite part of this exercise is the one where I nao have moar ATC and BTC [03:05]
BingoBoingo Except for that mistake in their order matching left me down some ATC, because string and cans [03:05]
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pankkake approved [03:07]
pankkake oh, it's lexo [03:07]
kakobrekla the what? [03:07]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: the goal was to seed a microstructure, but if you dont want one, thats coo :) i can just lift the offers [03:12]
herbijudlestoids now what? nothin. boring. [03:12]
herbijudlestoids we coulda played pass the parcel [03:12]
kakobrekla first you need to fake up the volume [03:13]
Vexual im coming to the party [03:13]
kakobrekla to get some eyes watching [03:13]
herbijudlestoids kakobrekla: isnt that wut i said [03:13]
pankkake should fake volumes be a feature of :) [03:13]
kakobrekla i have no idea what you said [03:13]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I believe this point came up in the -assets log earlier. You didn't need someone with 100 BTC to beat your efforts at Market Marking. All it took as someone with 0.015 BTC and some ATC. [03:13]
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herbijudlestoids ? thats exactly what i said would happen? [03:14]
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herbijudlestoids i am not capitalised correctly to make bids [03:14]
kakobrekla i dont know what is happening. so ill leave. [03:14]
herbijudlestoids and if im not capitalised correctly then the best i can do is the best i can do [03:14]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Or you could simply try to not become less capitalized? [03:15]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: yer, in which case the spread stays at 300 and nobody gives a fuck about the market [03:17]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: It isn't necessarily unhealty. It simply means sellers and buyers have a disagreement. [03:18]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: ok well let us see how much activity occurs with a spread of 300, my guess is none. [03:19]
herbijudlestoids probly between me and you there has been more activity in ATCBTC in the last hour than the last 5 days [03:20]
mike_c not even close. [03:20]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Consider this a lesson in fundamental assumptions that vary between the fiat and BTC worlds. Fiat can have money come in at any price. [03:20]
herbijudlestoids not really sure how this is any different from a fiat market [03:21]
herbijudlestoids aside from lack of leverage [03:21]
herbijudlestoids its just a two way auction. [03:21]
BingoBoingo BTC on the other hand is too expensive to throw away on making a market look right. [03:21]
BingoBoingo It is more important the market actually BE right, than to look "right" [03:22]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Consider the spreads on S.BBET and S.NSA [03:23]
herbijudlestoids right, so the correct state of ATCBTC is no trades? gg [03:23]
mircea_popescu what is the atc voluem to date actually ? [03:23]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: No the correct state is trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value. [03:23]
herbijudlestoids sweet fuck all [03:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Earlier this week it was up to 0.1 in a 24 hour period on Openex [03:24]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids gotta be a least a coupla bitcoins by now [03:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so like ~2btc total ? [03:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, it wasn't sustained long enough [03:24]
herbijudlestoids i count the cumulative volume as 0.18 [03:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069 = 0.276 BTC [+] [03:25]
mircea_popescu yeah but iirc i bought like 500k otc, [03:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value << where have you traded - and what? - where trade happens in some other way? [03:25]
herbijudlestoids from all trades listed in the recent trades window [03:25]
mircea_popescu and then ThickAsThieves also bought some iirc, so did you [03:25]
pankkake my sales are probably 0.3 BTC tops [03:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3017 @ 0.000255 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {3} [03:26]
herbijudlestoids lel the smallest market in the world [03:26]
mircea_popescu i think it all adds up to 2-3 over its lifetime [03:26]
duduqa hi folks [03:26]
mircea_popescu very cutely microscopic. [03:26]
pankkake bernankoin had a sole $25 transaction [03:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [+] [03:27]
pankkake making it worth $10668370931 now [03:27]
mircea_popescu [03:27]
mike_c HunterS sold a couple million ATC supposedly [03:27]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio [03:27]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio [03:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c i thought 1mn [03:28]
mike_c he said he already offloaded 1.6mn before that [03:28]
mircea_popescu ah [03:28]
mircea_popescu ok so looks more like 5 really ? [03:28]
pankkake ;;calc 16850*512 [03:28]
gribble 8627200 [03:28]
mircea_popescu amusingly this is way better than bitcoin's first year [03:29]
kakobrekla Next difficulty (estimate) [03:30]
kakobrekla 32,319.43 [03:30]
kakobrekla -48.47% change to current [03:30]
kakobrekla 1294 blocks until difficulty changes [03:30]
mircea_popescu i think it took about 19 months for a 5 btc aggregated trade [03:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I haven't much traded. I simply saw herbijudlestoids buying and selling at prices I like. [03:30]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unless i'm missing something, trade only happens when buyer and seller agree on a price. when goods change hands regardless, we usually use another word for it. [03:31]
herbijudlestoids asciilifeform: you say price, BingoBoingo is talking perceived value. [03:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well,sure [03:31]
mircea_popescu i thought you were both discussing other people's other trades [03:33]
mircea_popescu rather than your own [03:33]
herbijudlestoids nah i put some bids in, try and create some interest, bingo wanted the bids instead of pass the nothin [03:34]
herbijudlestoids i dun have enough BTC to keep the shenanigans goin [03:34]
BingoBoingo When he put in asks I also found them palatable. [03:34]
mircea_popescu lol [03:34]
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mircea_popescu "so, fiat quant finds crypto playground, gets creamed" ? [03:35]
herbijudlestoids well, it was my assumption that BingoBoingo wouldnt wanna see the last trade as ~100 but i guess i was wrong [03:35]
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mircea_popescu happens. [03:35]
mircea_popescu [03:35]
mircea_popescu check it out, kate's back, they say. [03:36]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: last trade now seems to be 700 [03:36]
ozbot [BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE-PT - Industrial Mining & High Performance Computing [03:36]
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Apocalyptic someone's dumping hard on stamp [03:36]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i have not been creamed in any market since may 6 2010 :) [03:36]
mircea_popescu well what happened here then lol [03:37]
duduqa Apocalyptic: fresh newbies desperate [03:37]
mircea_popescu traditionally "i had a plan, gotta discontinue cause out of capital" is creamed. [03:37]
KRS-One creamed? [03:37]
KRS-One .bait [03:37]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i sold some BTC for some ATC? at above the diff implied price? [03:37]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, that's what happens when you're MMing with low funds [03:37]
herbijudlestoids ^ [03:37]
B007 ozbot: boob are too big [03:37]
mircea_popescu holy shit i know that chick. [03:38]
mircea_popescu those aren't her boobs eithr. [03:38]
KRS-One yeah its totally looking the other way all stuck up [03:38]
mircea_popescu this is a chop/ [03:38]
KRS-One rebait [03:38]
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KRS-One Mmmm rawr [03:38]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you're always going to be low on funds. this is bitcoin. [03:39]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so then what's the prblm ? [03:39]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: no problem specifically, but its unsustainable, id prefer to continue making a market around the diff implied price than not [03:41]
mircea_popescu how is it unsustainable, selling btc for atc at above diff implied price ? [03:41]
mircea_popescu or you mean, the atc was above ? [03:41]
herbijudlestoids i mean, now that i have no BTC in the account, i cant make the market...thats all [03:42]
mike_c so you made some profitable trades and now you're broke. [03:42]
mircea_popescu so then you got creamed. [03:42]
KRS-One .bait [03:42]
herbijudlestoids lel [03:42]
ozbot [03:42]
mircea_popescu it is either one or the other you know. [03:42]
herbijudlestoids not really sure how im failing to explain this [03:42]
mircea_popescu either what you do is profitable and sustainable, or else it isn't. we have a word for that latter. [03:42]
herbijudlestoids so if i make a profit, but i cant make another profit, it counts as getting creamed? [03:44]
herbijudlestoids just to clarify on your definitions? [03:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 315 @ 0.0055 = 1.7325 BTC {2} [03:44]
mircea_popescu yup. [03:44]
mircea_popescu cause obviously you didn't make a profit. [03:44]
kakobrekla > I'm not sure why I ordered 8 rather than 9 upgrades, perhaps it was all we could afford at the time. [03:44]
mircea_popescu you just booked a profit. [03:44]
KRS-One [03:44]
kakobrekla this is how you run a company. [03:44]
kakobrekla perhaps we were short, perhaps i was high [03:44]
mircea_popescu perhaps the lucy in the sky... [03:45]
jayk oh dear [03:45]
kakobrekla perhaps i cut my dick off with that btc [03:45]
mircea_popescu and now i want the world to see [03:45]
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Duffer1 i've never seen that color of star trek shirt [03:45]
jayk at least ringo wasnt singing [03:45]
herbijudlestoids i find your definitions to be strange [03:45]
herbijudlestoids and confusing [03:45]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [03:46]
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jayk did you ever find out who that band of naked ladies was mircea_popescu [03:46]
mircea_popescu btw kakobrekla since you're not doing anything useful anyway, approve some bashes ? [03:46]
mircea_popescu jayk which one ? [03:46]
jayk oh id have to look for the picture [03:46]
jayk it was a week and half ago [03:46]
jayk it was in black and white [03:46]
mircea_popescu yes well you gotta cut me some slack here, i deal with nude bands of amazons on a biweekly basis [03:47]
jayk it was kind of amusing [03:47]
mike_c herbijudlestoids: it is not complicated. you did not "make a profit". you entered a position. [03:47]
mircea_popescu s/cut/cunt/ [03:47]
jayk hah [03:47]
BingoBoingo I made two profits. [03:47]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [03:47]
BingoBoingo And last trade on ATC was 700 Satoshis [03:48]
jayk [03:48]
mircea_popescu incidentally, why are you two so convinced a high last trade is useful or important ? [03:48]
jayk that pic [03:48]
mike_c omg. their order matching is horrible [03:48]
mircea_popescu not saying it isn't necessarily, but curious as to the rationale. [03:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm no [03:48]
kakobrekla wait, reading the forum is not useful!? fuck, the time wasted. [03:48]
BingoBoingo *not [03:48]
BingoBoingo But I think Dogers like high last trades [03:49]
mircea_popescu jayk ah, nope. they claimed it was some slovenian band but it turned out to be a scam [03:49]
jayk oic [03:49]
jayk haha [03:49]
mircea_popescu there. [03:49]
BingoBoingo Hopefully some Dogers will see 700 and think my selling at 625 is cheap [03:49]
BingoBoingo At least I hope idiocy works that way [03:50]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: im starting to feel like i perceive value at 110 :) [03:50]
mircea_popescu because smaller amount of derphone ? [03:50]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Isn't two cans and a sting magical [03:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6647 @ 0.00087106 = 5.7899 BTC [+] {2} [03:53]
herbijudlestoids as long as the spread is wide it costs me almost nothing to keep the last at 110 :P [03:53]
herbijudlestoids i can keep the idiots far away [03:54]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: How do you know you aren't gifiting me cheap ATC at that price? [03:54]
herbijudlestoids i am, sure, 0.00000001 ATC [03:54]
mircea_popescu to reiterate my earlier q : why are you so convinced a high price is better than a low price ? [03:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm not at all convinced. I just want to trick herbijudlestoids into gifting me more coins. [03:56]
mircea_popescu well yes, it's what generally goes on in the markets. [03:56]
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BingoBoingo Now I just have to see if my withdrawal of most of herbijudlestoids's BTC makes it from Openex to [03:57]
Apocalyptic good luck [03:58]
Duffer1 LvCunts [03:58]
Duffer1 nice [03:58]
mircea_popescu cunt levelling service ? [03:59]
herbijudlestoids i will just have to get another $9 :P [03:59]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you're focusing on the wrong aspect here. nobody is proposing you should be hanged, the argument isn't that o woe, you lost your dwelling and your woman and your future playing barbute with teh atc market. [04:00]
herbijudlestoids yea im not really sure what the argument is other than BingoBoingo wanted to prove some point about the way BTC markets should be [04:01]
herbijudlestoids gg [04:01]
mike_c ;;ud gg [04:01]
gribble | GG. "Good Game" 1. A polite remark uttered after the end of a round, game, or other measured interval to indicate that a match was fair and enjoyable. Usually ... [04:02]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: gg [04:02]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Well, the point is they should be different from Doge markets with their pumping and dumping and a lack of actual value [04:02]
mircea_popescu "good going" [04:02]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: gg [04:02]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids think in terms of autonomous entities. like say an insect, or whatever. its survival as a type and as a species depends on interracting with an unspeicifed envronment a certain way. [04:02]
mircea_popescu so far you're failing that test. [04:03]
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herbijudlestoids lol ok? [04:04]
herbijudlestoids lucky my survival doesnt depend at all whatsoever on my attempts to generate interest on openex in ATCBTC :) [04:05]
mike_c you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? [04:05]
herbijudlestoids haha fuck mike_c if its so aggravating, you can just put me on ignore, right? like i dont want to draw sighs from anyone [04:06]
mike_c uh oh. don't get all sensitive again [04:06]
herbijudlestoids again? [04:06]
Duffer1 bitbet anyone? [04:07]
ozbot [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] [04:07]
mike_c nevermind, nevermind. anyway, the spread has gotten lower. [04:07]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids no but see, the argument is that nature did well enough populating the earth without trying to populate the earth [04:07]
mircea_popescu but merely out of a bunch of things following my rule above. [04:07]
mircea_popescu meanwhile obama did very poorly trying to "restart the economy" from the top down [04:07]
mircea_popescu and generally, the ideology surrounding bitcoin is that these two are irreconciliable, and the 2nd is wrong. [04:08]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: yall seem convinced that you have taught me some kind of lesson...or that im learning it...or whatever...all i can see is approx what i said would happen if undercapitalised, happened. i dont really take any exception to it happening, but to the idea that there was some kind of inherent lesson, or some point, whatever... i dont see it [04:10]
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herbijudlestoids this all started because mircea_popescu asked if i would be his "ATC daytrader on openex" because i mentioned having put on a small cascade of limit sells last night...and i said i didnt think there was anything to the market except the potential for MM [04:11]
Apocalyptic still talking about this heh ? [04:11]
pankkake Duffer1: I don't know if it will attract anyone. is almost dead [04:11]
herbijudlestoids i tried it anyway, to keep an open mind because maybe i am missing some concept... but i dont think i am. [04:11]
herbijudlestoids apparently this == quant gets creamed [04:11]
pankkake was better but required a lot of forum whoring :) [04:11]
ozbot BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors [04:12]
herbijudlestoids for strange definitions of creamed [04:12]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: your analogies arent even close to related. nature builds simple robust systems, obama trying to restart a complex system far from equilibrium... [04:14]
Vexual Prince defined it back in '91 [04:14]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: in no sense am i trying to build a complex system, just provide the seedbed for liquidity in ATCBTC on openex, in the hopes of enticing others to do similar [04:15]
benkay hope and socialism and a couple million bucks might get you a market. [04:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00087115 = 10.3667 BTC [+] [04:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+] [04:16]
mike_c herb, i wasn't trying to rile you up. i was just commenting on you saying you didn't care because you lost $9. my point was that's the best kind of loss to learn from if you can. [04:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08174 = 0.4087 BTC [-] {2} [04:17]
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herbijudlestoids im not riled up lol, im trying to understand wtf [04:18]
mircea_popescu well ok, so how come my analogies are not related ? [04:19]
jimjenkin hi mircea [04:19]
mircea_popescu heya [04:19]
jimjenkin good post on mtgox [04:19]
mircea_popescu why ty. [04:19]
jimjenkin on your blog [04:19]
Apocalyptic damn i missed the new trilema [04:19]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids anyway, it's nothing as heavyhanded as "a lesson" blabla, it's just we apparently all seem to see sometyhing there. [04:20]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i just explained it? nature does not build systems which drift from equilibrium. obama is literally riding a complex system in escape velocity. the implication is that what i tried to do is ...incorrect...because its obama-esque and not saying thats so far from what i was trying to accomplish, that i dont understand the connection [04:21]
mircea_popescu so what were you trying to accomplish ? because it seems one of those polymorphous things which changes under examination. [04:21]
herbijudlestoids .... [04:21]
mircea_popescu were you trying to turn a profit, were you trying to improve the atc ecosystem, what was it ? [04:21]
jimjenkin obama cant build obamacare becuase its impossible to scale 1 system to 330million individuals duh. [04:22]
jimjenkin that type of health system works in tiny populations like norway [04:23]
mircea_popescu jimjenkin norway has the advantage it doesn't need to build self-sustaining system, because they're getting free money from the sea. [04:23]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: what i said to you from the very beginning was that there is no profit to turn, except in the potential for MM, which i am underfunded for, but i would give a crack anyway [04:23]
jimjenkin thats true too mircea [04:23]
mircea_popescu so were you trying to turn a profit ? [04:23]
herbijudlestoids profit can come when there is an actual stack of bids and offers to sell into, in the meantime can make a small market around the diff implied price which encourages others to do same, generating the potential for daytrading, etc [04:24]
mircea_popescu that's a yes or a no? [04:25]
jimjenkin lol [04:25]
jimjenkin answers a simple question with gibberish [04:25]
herbijudlestoids ... [04:25]
herbijudlestoids am i really speaking gibberish here? [04:26]
jimjenkin the man asked you a question [04:26]
mircea_popescu amusingly, this is pretty much bitcoin-fiat dialogue, personified. [04:26]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: the purpose of my activity, like i explained to you (now 3 times) was to have a go at something i was skeptical would work, specifically because you seemed to think there was some potential in trying the idea out [04:27]
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herbijudlestoids i couldnt decipher what the potential was on questioning [04:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2} [04:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0008721 = 13.7792 BTC [+] {2} [04:28]
herbijudlestoids but willing to keep an open mind and have a go anyway [04:28]
mircea_popescu so what you're saying is basically that my question can not be answered, in that you can't in retrospect establish if you were or were not trying to turn a profit. [04:28]
herbijudlestoids i already said from the beginning that its highly unlikely for any business to succeed if undercapitalised and in this case i am undercapitalised for "daytrading ATC on openex" [04:28]
mircea_popescu you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? << the problem here is, of course, that people will waive their immunity to reality when reality is still powerless. this kind of puts a low bound on everyone's education, and this is why it's so much cheaper to educate poor kids. [04:28]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids what's that to do with anything ? [04:29]
mircea_popescu so you said hail mary before stepping on the battlefield. so ? [04:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c also why slaves are the most educable. they own nothing, are immune to nothing, have no choice but tu learn. [04:29]
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jimjenkin mircea_popescu: can you talk about the latest developments regarding the tx mal. bullshit, does it matter? [04:30]
mircea_popescu jimjenkin depends what your criteria are, but i dunno why it would generally matter. [04:30]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i was not specifically, with the amount of capital input, trying to turn a profit. no. i figured that was clear but apparently not. the goal, specifically, was to entice an "ecosystem" as you put it, into existence, from which a profit can actually be derived. [04:31]
mircea_popescu so you were not trying to turn a profit, but to build up the ecosystem. [04:31]
mircea_popescu how is this different from obama trying to "restart the economy" ? [04:31]
herbijudlestoids i dun really see how its related at all. [04:33]
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mircea_popescu so you perceive no point of contact between the two whatsoever ? [04:33]
jimjenkin everyone in crypto is trying to build an ecosystem, but they never explain what that ecosystem actually is [04:34]
jimjenkin another catchphrase of the tech community [04:34]
herbijudlestoids for the retarded, pls explicitly state what is the point of contact between trying to establish liquidity for exchanging ATCBTC and obama trying to kickstart a disjoint complex system in failure mode [04:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16046 @ 0.0008704 = 13.9664 BTC [-] [04:35]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the us economy is in state S, obama intends to move it to state S'. [04:35]
mircea_popescu atc is in state A, you intend to move it to state A' [04:35]
mircea_popescu it would seem you are substantially both the same thing doing the same thing : having identified a "better" state and labouring to enact this notion of yours into reality. [04:36]
herbijudlestoids soooo basically, everything fighting entropy in any form whatsoever is now analoguous to obama trying to kickstart the economy [04:36]
mircea_popescu not in any form whatsoever. [04:36]
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herbijudlestoids my body is in state X and trying to move to state X' [04:36]
herbijudlestoids my body is obama [04:36]
mircea_popescu nope. [04:36]
mircea_popescu your body is not aiming for a state in that sense, but merely proceeding from X. [04:36]
mircea_popescu you see, if your liver relases glycogen, this is because of X, not because of X'. [04:37]
mircea_popescu this distinction, which may appear without a difference, is actually the whole story. [04:37]
herbijudlestoids usually when you type mircea_popescu i feel like there is a ray of insight and knowledge which i can catch and appreciate. not so much today. [04:38]
jimjenkin so are you trying to make a profit [04:38]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i guess it must be cloudy :) [04:39]
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random_cat what is the underlying for mpex options these days? [04:41]
mircea_popescu random_cat same as always, the bitcoincharts usd basket [04:41]
herbijudlestoids random_cat: [04:41]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids can you proceed through reductio ad absurdum ? [04:42]
* MisterE is listening to Tom Petty — Free Falling, from the album Full Moon Fever [Song] [04:42]
MisterE how low can it go? [04:42]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: its been a while, but i guess so [04:42]
MisterE :D [04:42]
MisterE for some reason a drop always makes me giddy [04:42]
random_cat ty [04:42]
mircea_popescu MisterE in this case it makes me giddy too, i've a boatload of puts. [04:42]
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pankkake [04:42]
ozbot Linksys Routers Exploited By "TheMoon" - Slashdot [04:42]
MisterE :) [04:43]
random_cat i knew i'd seen the basket answer before, but it got lost somewhere in the grey matter [04:43]
herbijudlestoids pankkake: there is a slashdot boycott underway you know :P [04:43]
MisterE fuck beta! [04:43]
herbijudlestoids ^ [04:43]
Jere_Jones ;;bc,24hprc [04:43]
gribble 566.99 [04:44]
mircea_popescu 1st comment is pretty cool pankkake [04:44]
mircea_popescu the only problem is that they're not decentralised, that's why. [04:45]
mircea_popescu if only they could be decentralised it'd work. [04:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+] [04:46]
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BingoBoingo .bait [04:47]
ozbot [04:47]
KRS-One she looks fun [04:49]
mircea_popescu she looks cold. [04:49]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [04:55]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.21, Best ask: 583.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.29000, Last trade: 580.2, 24 hour volume: 34030.08209270, 24 hour low: 575.13, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 623.550568937 [04:55]
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BingoBoingo ;;asks 10000 [04:58]
gribble There are currently 29342.931 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 33898938.0649 USD in total. | Data vintage: 87.7646 seconds [04:58]
BingoBoingo .bait [04:58]
ozbot [04:58]
jcpham goxfail is funny [04:59]
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ThickAsThieves wow you guys really overanalyzed this ATC mm thing [05:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55999999 BTC [+] [05:03]
ThickAsThieves herb, you did it wrong [05:03]
ThickAsThieves di it righter next time [05:03]
ThickAsThieves do* [05:04]
herbijudlestoids lol thx for the tips ThickAsThieves [05:04]
ThickAsThieves as soon as i saw your orders i knew you'd fail [05:05]
herbijudlestoids iv come up with a new strategy to keep hitting the bids with tiny increments and keep the last price down, somebody doesnt like it and has been thickening the book for me [05:05]
ThickAsThieves though the book looks better now [05:05]
herbijudlestoids yea they have to keep the book thicker to stop the tiny offers hitting their bids [05:05]
herbijudlestoids otherwise i can keep the price low indefinitely [05:06]
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ThickAsThieves 500 is low? sweet [05:07]
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the20year1 375, dang [05:08]
BingoBoingo Doge just had its first halving, Altcoin need to work on its Moon. [05:08]
the20year1 There is now nearly a $200 gap between gox and coinbase [05:09]
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ThickAsThieves it's not a gap it's a conversion rate [05:10]
ThickAsThieves goxcash and $ are not the same [05:10]
the20year1 I understand [05:11]
the20year1 however at one time the $ over coinbase price was quite high [05:11]
taub still spooky watching gox die like this [05:11]
herbijudlestoids [05:12]
ozbot Silk Road 2 Hacked, Over 4,000 Bitcoin Allegedly Stolen | TechCrunch [05:12]
the20year1 What's this reference wallet stuff> [05:12]
ThickAsThieves maybe Silk Road 3 will be the charm! [05:12]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [05:13]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.73, Best ask: 556.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 556.0, 24 hour volume: 36665.57017113, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 621.045881481 [05:13]
ThickAsThieves cheap coins [05:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12794 @ 0.00087083 = 11.1414 BTC [+] {2} [05:13]
ThickAsThieves wow [05:13]
ThickAsThieves gox is at 360 [05:13]
ThickAsThieves 308 [05:14]
ThickAsThieves wow [05:14]
Vexual do they still have any magic cards to trade? [05:14]
ThickAsThieves that was weird [05:14]
ThickAsThieves the book just disappeared and reappeared [05:14]
ThickAsThieves bids were filling at 305 [05:14]
ThickAsThieves then like 3000btc of bids reappeared [05:15]
ThickAsThieves wtf [05:15]
herbijudlestoids bids filled at 302 [05:15]
ThickAsThieves how do they many orders just appear? [05:15]
ThickAsThieves that* [05:15]
ThickAsThieves something fishy [05:16]
ThickAsThieves or maybe the feed was outta whack [05:16]
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ThickAsThieves now the bid is $20 over the ask [05:17]
ThickAsThieves this is it boys [05:19]
ThickAsThieves gox is gasping for air [05:19]
mike_c it is in freefall [05:20]
ThickAsThieves these guys are just shorting on losses to eachother [05:20]
ThickAsThieves it's gonna break 200 i bet [05:20]
twizt below 100 [05:20]
twizt lol [05:20]
the20year1 312 [05:20]
twizt imo [05:20]
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herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: what do you mean shorting [05:22]
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asciilifeform [05:22]
herbijudlestoids i thought gox was a long only market [05:22]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves> it's not a gap it's a conversion rate << more like a convulsion rate. [05:22]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i thought they were 5k btc yest. [05:22]
benkay also lulzy [05:22]
benkay [05:23]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: you thought what was 5000BTC yesterday? [05:23]
ThickAsThieves i mean people are panicking, thinking they are actually selling at a loss so they can buy cheaper [05:23]
ThickAsThieves but no one is left [05:23]
ThickAsThieves they are just pushing it to 0 [05:23]
herbijudlestoids ah right [05:23]
herbijudlestoids well if they have halted bitcoin withdrawals then... [05:23]
ThickAsThieves or, [05:24]
ThickAsThieves gox knows theyve been had [05:24]
MisterE if they have halted withdrawals its over [05:24]
ThickAsThieves and is fractional big time [05:24]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: from my understanding only bitcoin withdrawals have been halted [05:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0028036 = 1.4018 BTC [-] {8} [05:25]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: i get the feeling it wasnt fractional until the US Gov took several millions of their monies :P [05:25]
ThickAsThieves i dont envy the goxer right now? [05:25]
MisterE I still cant find any difinitive news about it [05:25]
ThickAsThieves which currency to fall back on? [05:25]
ThickAsThieves goxcash or goxcoins? [05:25]
MisterE yea I never wanted to trade at Gox ever [05:25]
ThickAsThieves herb it's been fractional since they decided to have a God account [05:25]
MisterE not after their harsh verification crap [05:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00279702 = 4.1955 BTC [-] {5} [05:26]
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herbijudlestoids MisterE: isnt that weird that you can never seem to find information? lol .... " As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin [05:26]
mircea_popescu this is it boys << you have any idea how many different times in its history gox showed crossed wire ? [05:28]
MisterE wow Gox at $340 now [05:28]
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MisterE btc-e and huboi ftw! [05:28]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids as far as i recall the original reports of the sr 2.0 failure placed the loss at 5k btc [05:28]
mircea_popescu which was a gross overstatement even then [05:29]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: ah right in reference to SR2. thx [05:29]
ThickAsThieves mp, cant you just let me be dramatic! [05:29]
mircea_popescu a ok [05:29]
MisterE Japan is always lying about their stuff that goes wrong [05:29]
mircea_popescu MisterE the guy is a french citizen [05:29]
MisterE it's the asian face saving thing [05:29]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: is btc-e really that trustworthy? [05:29]
mircea_popescu who apparently grew up in a romanian orphanage (?!) [05:29]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids no. [05:29]
herbijudlestoids thought so [05:29]
herbijudlestoids so, ftl :P [05:30]
ThickAsThieves oh i forgot to check how reddit is doing [05:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1226 @ 0.000257 = 0.3151 BTC [+] [05:30]
MisterE whats wrong with btc-e? [05:30]
ThickAsThieves reddit is asleep i guess [05:30]
mircea_popescu they were involved in at least one case of pumping a premined coin [05:30]
mircea_popescu back before this had become standard reddit practice [05:30]
MisterE oh? which? [05:30]
MisterE ahh [05:30]
mircea_popescu what was it even called, puresomething [05:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00087259 = 17.8445 BTC [+] {2} [05:31]
MisterE theres almost 100 altcoins now [05:31]
ThickAsThieves novacoin [05:31]
ThickAsThieves was btc-e's scamcoin [05:31]
MisterE I think that counts the ones that have failed too [05:31]
mircea_popescu and otherwise, sort-of dubious russian folk. not necessarily untrustworthy, just not particularly trustworthy for any reasons. [05:31]
MisterE huh, interesting [05:31]
mircea_popescu MisterE no coin ever fails. much like the us dollar, a coin has no actual obligations [05:31]
MisterE yea thats the only thing that worried me was the Russian angle [05:31]
mircea_popescu and so can never fail. [05:31]
MisterE well people drop it [05:31]
MisterE like Coinye [05:32]
mircea_popescu sure [05:32]
MisterE hashrate falls, etc. [05:32]
ThickAsThieves coins are zen [05:32]
MisterE LTC is dying a slow death [05:32]
the20year1 russian angle? [05:32]
ThickAsThieves it is man who holds discontent [05:32]
cazalla MisterE: it'll be on gox any moment! [05:32]
MisterE yea it's Russian owned [05:32]
MisterE or started in Russia or someting [05:32]
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MisterE lol cazalla [05:32]
ThickAsThieves just got another message, "what are your long-term plans for Altcoin?" [05:32]
benkay MisterE: better to assume everything's a scam but Bitcoin. [05:33]
MisterE that is their only hope is to take on altcoins [05:33]
mircea_popescu either that or to take cock. [05:34]
herbijudlestoids kakobrekla: still there? [05:34]
MisterE haha [05:35]
MisterE cock pays [05:35]
MisterE always has, always will [05:35]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 5000 --mtgox [05:36]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:36]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 5000 [05:36]
gribble A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1616577.0448 USD and would take the last price down to 291.3229 USD, resulting in an average price of 323.3154 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1923 seconds [05:36]
mircea_popescu ;;market sell 5000 --market mtgox [05:36]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:36]
mircea_popescu took it out huh. [05:36]
ThickAsThieves gox is default still [05:36]
mike_c ATC is fifth highest volume on openex [05:37]
mircea_popescu << cold water. it doesn't shrink only cocks. boobs too. [05:38]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no it's not [05:38]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: lelll youre like an artist and your theme is "one naked lady amongst many clothed people" [05:38]
herbijudlestoids always. [05:38]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids aka "the human condition" [05:39]
herbijudlestoids too cryptic for the retarded [05:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19221 @ 0.00086838 = 16.6911 BTC [-] {2} [05:39]
mircea_popescu the human condition is a major theme in artwork across the centuries. [05:39]
ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves no it's not <<< it is for the market command it seems [05:40]
mircea_popescu omg what sloppy banishment is this [05:40]
mircea_popescu ;;market sell 5000 --market bitstamp [05:40]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:40]
ThickAsThieves dat syntax [05:40]
mircea_popescu ;;market sell 5000 --usd --market bitstamp [05:40]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:40]
mike_c ;;market sell --market bitstamp 5000 [05:41]
gribble A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2665619.2280 USD and would take the last price down to 500.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 533.1238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds [05:41]
taub marketmaking in these chinese exchanges is too tough [05:41]
mircea_popescu o wait hah [05:41]
taub or not worth it [05:41]
BingoBoingo ;;market sell 25000 [05:41]
taub too much competition [05:41]
gribble A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0754 seconds [05:41]
taub don't lose money, but don't make any either [05:41]
taub just swapping btc back and forth for 0% fee [05:41]
mircea_popescu ;;market sell --market mtgox 25000 [05:41]
gribble A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.7914 seconds [05:41]
mircea_popescu it is the default. [05:41]
taub yea [05:42]
mircea_popescu bs. [05:42]
* ThickAsThieves steals a cookie. [05:42]
mircea_popescu [05:43]
ThickAsThieves lol [05:43]
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herbijudlestoids valentines day in aus already. [05:45]
herbijudlestoids gotta say, funniest vday on facebook iv ever seen, people are making good jokes [05:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00531947 = 0.5319 BTC [-] {3} [05:45]
ThickAsThieves does it involve Australian kisses? [05:45]
herbijudlestoids are Australian kisses something people overseas think we do but actually dont? :P [05:45]
B007 ;;market sell 100000 [05:46]
gribble A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7106160.6930 USD and would take the last price down to 2.6954 USD, resulting in an average price of 71.0616 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1413 seconds [05:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 213 @ 0.00083555 = 0.178 BTC [+] [05:46]
ThickAsThieves they are kisses "down under" [05:46]
herbijudlestoids ahha ThickAsThieves, this is one of the posts "Fuck roses, lick 'er cunt." [05:46]
B007 ;;market sell 10000000 [05:46]
gribble A market order to sell 10000000 bitcoins right now would net 7228836.5211 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0001 USD, resulting in an average price of 0.7229 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.2271 seconds [05:46]
ThickAsThieves lol [05:46]
mircea_popescu wasn't it "in the bush" ? [05:47]
KRS-One .bait [05:47]
ozbot [05:47]
herbijudlestoids also lots of people are saying happy Vladintines day, with pictures of putin being seductive, fucken hilarious [05:47]
benkay does namecoin work? [05:47]
ThickAsThieves supposedly they have a new browser plugin for it [05:48]
ThickAsThieves some PR about it today [05:48]
benkay as in does what ams said on tin? [05:48]
B007 ;;market sell 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 [05:48]
gribble This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 0 bitcoins, for a total of 7229404.4576 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 123.7412 seconds [05:48]
mircea_popescu it sort-of works [05:48]
herbijudlestoids benkay: i thought there was an issue that broke it, but apparently its been fixed, so i assume so [05:48]
KRS-One ;;market buy .bait [05:48]
gribble Error: '.bait' is not a valid non-negative floating point number. [05:48]
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B007 ;;market sell 10 [05:48]
gribble A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 3909.1550 USD and would take the last price down to 387.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 390.9155 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 158.0034 seconds [05:48]
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herbijudlestoids B007: having fun there? [05:49]
B007 wait where can i buy for 390 [05:49]
herbijudlestoids ... [05:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.071625 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {3} [05:49]
KRS-One mtgox ...go [05:49]
benkay ;;market sell KRS-One [05:49]
gribble Error: 'KRS-One' is not a valid non-negative floating point number. [05:49]
KRS-One cant afford meh [05:49]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 1 kilo [05:50]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:50]
Namworld Oh fuckin bullshit [05:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves take you about three weeks. [05:50]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell --silkroad 1 kilo [05:50]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:50]
ThickAsThieves oh wait [05:50]
Namworld Yet again I can't do stuff not related to driving because they only take driver's license as a form of ID. [05:50]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell --silkroad 2 1 kilo [05:50]
gribble (market sell [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD. [05:50]
ThickAsThieves ok ill stop [05:50]
Namworld Seriously... [05:50]
B007 wait coinbase you can sell for 600 [05:51]
mircea_popescu good idea. [05:51]
B007 are mtgox buys not going though? [05:51]
mircea_popescu Namworld clearly you're a terrorist, because everyone drives [05:51]
mircea_popescu only the terrorists fly. [05:51]
Namworld Yes. Obviously. Planning to take over the world with my flying fortress that rains doom. [05:52]
ThickAsThieves Canada doesnt have an ID card that works just like license? [05:52]
mircea_popescu canada has something that works ?! [05:52]
B007 canada is like mini usa [05:53]
Namworld No. Not in French Canada. [05:53]
Namworld And it's a canadian business. Photo ID or Driver's license - No passport or provincial health card. [05:53]
benkay a coupla chainsaws mebbe [05:54]
B007 ;;market buy 10000 [05:54]
gribble A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6752680.8043 USD and would take the last price up to 949.2028 USD, resulting in an average price of 675.2681 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 56.0308 seconds [05:54]
Namworld I only have passport and health card available here. [05:54]
benkay a bicycle? [05:54]
moiety morning, muffins are atually in the process of being made finally! [kiwi/apple] [05:55]
herbijudlestoids moiety: how much do kiwis cost in scotland! [05:56]
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B007 I have a $50,000.00 USD sell limit; anybody wanna sell? [05:56]
moiety kiwis are so underrated [05:56]
herbijudlestoids moiety: we get em cheap here cos just across the pond from NZ [05:57]
moiety just using jam herbi, its the bestthing to use for muffins [05:57]
herbijudlestoids ah true [05:57]
moiety i love the NZ accent, i wonder if they all sound so cheeky [05:57]
ThickAsThieves kiwis are so so [05:57]
moiety i wonder if my muffins will turn out green, hope so [05:57]
moiety might make them blue, i have dye [05:57]
ThickAsThieves they will turn out acidic [05:58]
bloctoc B007 that's a question for bitcoin-otc this forum is exclusively for smart-ass commentary [05:58]
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benkay [05:58]
benkay polizei in america [05:58]
B007 scary [05:59]
Duffer1 r/Bad_cop_no_donut [05:59]
B007 ;;market buy 100000 [06:01]
gribble This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 31159.02 bitcoins, for a total of 594758785.7867 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 202.6239 seconds [06:01]
herbijudlestoids B007: just for the record, you know you can talk to gribble in /query right? :) [06:02]
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B007 yeah I should probably do that [06:04]
moiety ye of little faith ThickAsThieves [06:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1175 @ 0.0027757 = 3.2614 BTC [-] {8} [06:05]
herbijudlestoids benkay: yo that article is fucked right up. [06:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12000 @ 0.00025694 = 3.0833 BTC [+] {7} [06:08]
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benkay nah, right in line with predictions. [06:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00275 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3} [06:09]
Namworld Can someone explain to me why CasinoBitcoin trades at 400 MONTHS of profits now? Keeps raising. [06:10]
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herbijudlestoids benkay: true enough [06:11]
benkay did you hear about the kid who got sent away for more than just one night for getting sarcastic on the internet? [06:11]
benkay [06:11]
ozbot The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life - - News - Dallas - Dallas Observer [06:11]
Duffer1 Namworld probably gambling on possible buyout price [06:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1946 @ 0.00025749 = 0.5011 BTC [+] {3} [06:11]
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herbijudlestoids benkay: yea heard plenty of those stories [06:13]
herbijudlestoids holllyyyyy shitballs! YESSSSS [06:13]
herbijudlestoids i just got word [06:13]
Duffer1 oh Namworld they acquired bit777 and peerbet [06:13]
herbijudlestoids my company landed the big customer we have been courting :) [06:13]
herbijudlestoids let the cash flowwwww [06:13]
Duffer1 announced yesterday [06:13]
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moiety i remember that benkay, ridiculous [06:15]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids wd. [06:16]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 how much does one pay for one of the casinos ? [06:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14063 @ 0.00087096 = 12.2483 BTC [+] {2} [06:16]
benkay congrats herbi, we just fired a client. [06:17]
benkay let me know if you need ops support ;) [06:17]
Duffer1 "Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. " [06:17]
mircea_popescu derp. [06:17]
Duffer1 [06:17]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: we got a buyout offer from a large company, now we can tell them to f off or value us at 10-20 times more [06:17]
Duffer1 Updates tab has the announce [06:17]
herbijudlestoids this huge [06:17]
* herbijudlestoids dance [06:17]
benkay us-pacific tz [06:17]
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mircea_popescu lol ultraplay actually owned those shits ?! [06:18]
mircea_popescu this must be a misnomer. [06:18]
mircea_popescu " (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013" [06:19]
mircea_popescu derp. [06:19]
mircea_popescu how retarded do you have to be to claim first=anything in 2013 ?! [06:19]
the20year1 i'm the first rentalstarter on bitcoin in 2013 [06:19]
mircea_popescu "trong financials Bit777/Peerbet" [06:19]
Duffer1 i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month [06:20]
mircea_popescu i wonder what the strong financials those'd be. undisclosed as is customary ? [06:20]
mircea_popescu the20year1 you may well be, actually. [06:20]
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the20year1 I don't know why Duffer1. They said they were listing at HL, and it took me from Jan 9th to Feb 7th to get listed. [06:20]
the20year1 And that's with 10 days of them having lost our paperwork [06:21]
Duffer1 cbtc financials: we took in the pooper but since we were so overvalued to begin with we used the remainder to buy the competition [06:21]
mircea_popescu ahahaha check out this nonsense [06:21]
ozbot – Bitcoin Gambling Market Analysis | | Bitcoin Gaming [06:21]
Duffer1 took it* [06:21]
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benkay how much of your ipo have you sold, the20year1? [06:21]
mike_c !t h rent [06:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (1183 shares, 6.50650000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC) [06:23]
the20year1 48346 out of 78534 [06:23]
mike_c assbot is lagged? he says 30188 [06:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00491499 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5} [06:24]
the20year1 So what, 39% or so of the first round has been sold [06:24]
mircea_popescu !jd [06:24]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 14272 BTC profit, 41.5k BTC invested, 630.69 mio bets, 5.00 mio BTC wagered [06:24]
the20year1 I'm not sure how the calculate it, since we had shares from bitfunder that migrated [06:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0049143 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2} [06:25]
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mike_c some guy just dropped 1k btc on jd. it was a ride. [06:25]
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moiety o.o [06:25]
moiety o/ muffins turned out :D [06:26]
ThickAsThieves i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month <<< they probly cant afford the listing fees [06:26]
benkay who's responsible for keeping track of that? [06:26]
ThickAsThieves plus theyre a scam anyway [06:26]
Vexual i'm shocked asic hasn't told em off yet [06:26]
benkay hl? [06:26]
Duffer1 i know lol that's why i'm surprised havelock hasn't fallen all over itself to list them [06:26]
moiety my muffins are not a scam, how dare you [06:26]
ThickAsThieves i believe! [06:27]
benkay it's kinda crazy there's nowhere you can point and be like "look: notional float adds up simply" [06:27]
Duffer1 maybe kenilworth too greedy to share the spoils of their scam with havelock [06:27]
ThickAsThieves no kenilworth just didnt fool enough people to get any volume [06:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15738 @ 0.00087297 = 13.7388 BTC [+] [06:28]
Vexual but they got a new landcruiser [06:28]
benkay el oh el everything's a scam [06:28]
benkay i'm going for a slice of pizza [06:28]
ThickAsThieves is that what the call kangaroos now? [06:28]
Duffer1 i'm pretty sure they got thousands [06:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1075 @ 0.00083462 = 0.8972 BTC [-] {5} [06:29]
ThickAsThieves cuz they got em from you? [06:29]
Duffer1 they didn't get a satoshi from me [06:29]
moiety kangaroos are scary [06:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00083402 = 0.2269 BTC [-] {2} [06:30]
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Vexual landcruiser is rock where kangaroo is scissors [06:31]
the20year1 i imagine they're like all sorts of real world IPOs, milk the capital till it's dry, move on [06:31]
Vexual ? [06:31]
mircea_popescu what, moiety's muffin is a scam ?! [06:31]
moiety FUD mircea_popescu!! [06:31]
mircea_popescu "fuck you doo" ? [06:32]
Vexual dont ill bust another gut [06:32]
mircea_popescu the20year1 like facebook, groupon, twitter etc ? [06:32]
mircea_popescu !t h cbtc [06:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00012000 / 0.00020914 / 0.00025998 (246707 shares, 51.59604926 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015478 / 0.00025998 (1080713 shares, 167.27789495 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00012483 / 0.00025998 (2308771 shares, 288.19321627 BTC) [06:33]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 3000000 * 0.00012483 [06:33]
gribble 374.49 [06:33]
ThickAsThieves facebook will let you choose special genders now [06:33]
Vexual so will aussie passports [06:34]
moiety no, the muffins are not a lie! [06:34]
mircea_popescu derp. the largest casino IN THE WORLD is worth less than pocket change [06:34]
moiety special genders? [06:34]
mircea_popescu yet it "Acquires" things and whatnot [06:34]
Vexual other [06:34]
asciilifeform [06:34]
ozbot NNSA Reaches B61-12 Life Extension Program Milestone: First Full-System Mechanical Environment Test [06:34]
moiety retarded bi? [06:34]
Vexual necessity [06:34]
asciilifeform (but no pop! disappointment.) [06:34]
ThickAsThieves Havelock says CBTC market is 2034btc [06:34]
mircea_popescu wait! they trade at a deep discount! [06:35]
ThickAsThieves it also says AM1 is 10899btc [06:35]
ThickAsThieves which is pretty funny [06:35]
ThickAsThieves cuz it'd be way higher, yet could never ever survive slippage [06:36]
herbijudlestoids 302 looks like its holding the lows on gox [06:36]
herbijudlestoids light activity ~400ish [06:36]
Vexual who cares about magic the gathering, whats atc doing? [06:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00547192 = 0.5472 BTC [+] {4} [06:37]
ThickAsThieves i managed some coinbase buys at 550 [06:37]
herbijudlestoids Vexual: currently im frustrating all of BingoBoingos attempts to get the price to read 700 :P [06:37]
Vexual you need some collateral mate? [06:37]
mircea_popescu omg aussie conspiraci [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00086822 = 18.0156 BTC [-] {4} [06:38]
herbijudlestoids nah plenty of ATC on hand, he can easily stop my efforts by continuing to fatten out the book [06:38]
ThickAsThieves aboriginal espionage [06:38]
herbijudlestoids actually looks quite nice now [06:38]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids does that clarify the point, incidentally ? [06:38]
the20year1 mircea_popescu: sort of. All these little tech startups suck their funding dry and then move on to 'the next big thing' and screw over some other institutional investor [06:38]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu? [06:38]
moiety how is ATC doing ThickAsThieves should i have a wallet by now? [06:38]
ThickAsThieves you dont need a wallet til you buy some [06:39]
the20year1 For a few years my brother worked for one such tech startup, their stupidity was amazing [06:39]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:39]
ThickAsThieves so far ATC has seen lows of like 150sat to highs of 700 [06:39]
herbijudlestoids moiety: get a wallet and i will send you one freshly mined ATC no strings attached! [06:39]
herbijudlestoids well..its 120 blocks old... [06:40]
the20year1 Spent several million dollars on a rock band for pc where you used your keyboard. First week sales were a couple hundred dollars [06:40]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it had lows of like 125 fo sho [06:40]
ThickAsThieves word [06:40]
mircea_popescu the20year you mean like guitar hero ? [06:40]
ThickAsThieves i'd value it at about 1750sat [06:40]
herbijudlestoids lows were 110 yall. [06:40]
the20year1 yeah mircea_popescu that too [06:40]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves get out of here, 10x doge ? [06:40]
mircea_popescu or is it 100x doge by now [06:41]
ThickAsThieves well doge has more coins [06:41]
Vexual how many more? [06:41]
ThickAsThieves tons [06:41]
herbijudlestoids only a few satoshis above doge [06:41]
ThickAsThieves cant compare just by mkt price [06:41]
herbijudlestoids can so :P [06:41]
ThickAsThieves probly how everyone else does... [06:42]
mircea_popescu srsly, why can't i [06:42]
Vexual noone knows, they moved the cap [06:42]
moiety that's really kind herbi, but it's ok, i could try and mine one myself... OH I got my vanity! but its all mixed case D: [06:42]
ThickAsThieves total supply of doge is listed at 50trilliom [06:42]
mircea_popescu actually atc book looks deeper than doge book [06:42]
ThickAsThieves n [06:42]
ThickAsThieves total supply of ATC is like 268m [06:43]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i think bingo has been thickening it up while we argued earlier, cos i kept pinging his bids hehe [06:43]
herbijudlestoids looks good now i admit [06:43]
ThickAsThieves i'm in there too ;) [06:43]
herbijudlestoids yey [06:43]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: regardless of the total supply, if i can go to market and get more satoshis per dogecoin (and i can, the liquidity is way better) then.... [06:45]
ThickAsThieves lol these coins i bought on coinbase like an hour ago are +$70 [06:45]
mircea_popescu [06:46]
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mircea_popescu derp. "i wasn't here so nothing happened" [06:46]
ozbot Is mcxNow trustful? [06:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake [06:46]
ThickAsThieves lol [06:47]
herbijudlestoids Vexual: [06:48]
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ThickAsThieves seems to have died [06:48]
ThickAsThieves Scrat ^ [06:49]
ThickAsThieves meh scrat aint here and dont care probly [06:49]
mircea_popescu what was bitfetch ? [06:49]
ThickAsThieves torrent dl condom [06:49]
herbijudlestoids ok so another idea i had [06:50]
herbijudlestoids was AWS S3 style storage [06:50]
herbijudlestoids but billed in bitcoin [06:50]
herbijudlestoids crazy? stupid? useful? [06:50]
ThickAsThieves billed? [06:50]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: cloud storage is billed usually by the GB/month [06:51]
herbijudlestoids like 10c/GB/month [06:51]
herbijudlestoids so instead of 10c its 10c equiv of bitcoin [06:51]
ThickAsThieves so billed in fiat, but payable in btc [06:51]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids just kind-of old. [06:52]
mircea_popescu nobody has yet done a splendid job of bitcoin-based hosting, and there'd definitely be demand. [06:52]
herbijudlestoids web hosting you mean? [06:52]
mircea_popescu aws w/e [06:52]
herbijudlestoids right [06:53]
mod6 can you withdraw atc @ openex? or just btc? [06:54]
mircea_popescu you'll likely move from offering just storage to offering processing too anyway [06:54]
Bunnyh how come some of my Altcoin block rewards are only 50 ATC ? i've mined a couple hundred blocks and most are 512, but three blocks are only 50 [06:54]
herbijudlestoids mod6: yea anything they trade is withdrawable [06:54]
mod6 cool, thx her [06:54]
mircea_popescu Bunnyh nopw that sounds like a bug [06:54]
mircea_popescu can you identify such a block ? [06:54]
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mod6 herb* [06:54]
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Bunnyh txids: 600b598d44a39d0d6c98a02462ce453296ce0733b8febd039a1173f205519d7f 64c330b169c013de2da3137b11a9bf110f91118b9c00af7f4a4ce4921f674c9c f50ed30a51ad8b40660fb96c43f3b44dffb57652e4c3ee208fa768f5fcff4684 [06:55]
Bunnyh [06:55]
mircea_popescu weird. [06:56]
Vexual shit [06:56]
herbijudlestoids mod6: withdrawals seem to require manual admin approval while theyre still in beta so keep that in mind [06:57]
herbijudlestoids i seen lots of people complaining in the chat cos they thought theyre automatic [06:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [06:58]
herbijudlestoids Bunnyh: that is kind of weird yeah. [06:58]
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herbijudlestoids Bunnyh: got debug.log from your altcoind? [06:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 139 @ 0.50462769 = 70.1432 BTC [-] {43} [06:59]
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ThickAsThieves maybe we discover how to hack bitcoin to have smaller block rewards [06:59]
Bunnyh yes i think so, unless it has already rotated enough so that those blocks aren't visible [06:59]
Bunnyh can't access it until after a few hours though [07:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [+] [07:00]
mod6 herbi: thanks for the heads up. [07:00]
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herbijudlestoids Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there [07:01]
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herbijudlestoids looks like theyre older than what i got [07:01]
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Bunnyh i mined them on the 2nd [07:01]
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Bunnyh and with eloipool actually, so i guess debug.log wouldn't have anything interesting anyway [07:02]
mircea_popescu sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ? [07:02]
herbijudlestoids wait, did you mine them solo or in pool? [07:02]
mircea_popescu perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ? [07:02]
Vexual lol [07:02]
herbijudlestoids or personal pool? [07:02]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids makes no diff really, cause the block was the block [07:03]
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Bunnyh herbijudlestoids: solo pool, i had too much hashpower to use altcoind directly [07:03]
Vexual did you get any 512 blocks like that? [07:03]
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Bunnyh yes, hundreds [07:03]
Bunnyh just those three 50 ATC blocks randomly [07:03]
Vexual why you telling people thne? [07:03]
herbijudlestoids it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying [07:04]
ThickAsThieves we didnt have the source code on the 2nd tho [07:04]
ThickAsThieves did we? [07:04]
mircea_popescu pankkake ^ you ever heard of shit like that ? [07:04]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: no [07:04]
Bunnyh Vexual: huh? i'm just interested in how/why that could happen [07:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-] [07:05]
Vexual are you mining bc on the same rig? [07:06]
MisterE too much hashpower is a good problem to have [07:06]
Bunnyh Vexual: sure, i just thought i'd point those asics to a new coin for a night, it's not like that "too much hashpower" really makes much btc nowadays [07:07]
herbijudlestoids weird as well because those 50 blocks are surrounded by 512 blocks [07:07]
ThickAsThieves so it thought it was bitcoin not altcoin somehow [07:07]
herbijudlestoids not like its 50, 50, 50...its 512, 50, 512, 512, ... 50, 512... [07:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4800055 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2} [07:08]
ThickAsThieves so how do we do the reverse is the question [07:08]
Bunnyh "thought it was bitcoin" ? i have no idea what that could mean [07:08]
ThickAsThieves mine 512btc block [07:09]
Bunnyh they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind [07:09]
Vexual someone would notic 512 bc blocks [07:09]
ThickAsThieves so [07:09]
MisterE 512 bc is a lot [07:09]
ThickAsThieves yep [07:09]
ThickAsThieves so is 5000btc [07:09]
ThickAsThieves or 1m [07:09]
Vexual so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked [07:09]
MisterE there's a thousand pundits waiting to say the whole thing is b0rked [07:10]
ThickAsThieves i knew ATC would be disruptive! [07:10]
MisterE Poor Robert Bork [07:10]
MisterE last niminee to try to be honest [07:10]
MisterE nominee* [07:10]
ThickAsThieves can nodes somehow affect this? [07:10]
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ThickAsThieves when/where is the block reward determined? [07:11]
Bunnyh can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? [07:11]
Vexual what code are you running bunny? [07:11]
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Bunnyh that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool [07:11]
MisterE I'll just follow the chat then jump on the sploit when you guys figure it out OK :p [07:11]
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herbijudlestoids im looking at ../src/main.cpp:1076 [07:12]
herbijudlestoids hang on ill pull it up [07:13]
herbijudlestoids [07:13]
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herbijudlestoids is that the line that determines the block reward? [07:13]
Bunnyh looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations [07:14]
Evolyn can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~ [07:14]
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herbijudlestoids Bunnyh: so for some reason when that function was called, it COIN must have = 0.097... [07:15]
agorecki What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it? [07:15]
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ThickAsThieves [07:15]
ThickAsThieves dunno if that is of interest [07:16]
ThickAsThieves just searching for 50s [07:16]
ThickAsThieves ... [07:16]
ThickAsThieves that's the only one [07:16]
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herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: that looks like an error code tho [07:17]
Vexual get you 0.01 back tat [07:17]
mircea_popescu can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can [07:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00531907 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2} [07:17]
mircea_popescu Evolyn nobody said anything so far. [07:18]
mircea_popescu you can prolly ask toffoo [07:18]
mircea_popescu oops i mean topace [07:18]
Bunnyh so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config [07:18]
ThickAsThieves evolyn, its probly cloudflare [07:18]
Bunnyh it was just a continuous run and those 50 ATC blocks happened randomly, spaced with dozens of normal blocks [07:18]
ThickAsThieves loads fine for me [07:18]
ThickAsThieves give it 5min [07:19]
Evolyn sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time [07:19]
ThickAsThieves there's something buggy in the code i think [07:19]
ThickAsThieves where it retries a bunch [07:19]
ThickAsThieves and then triggers CF [07:20]
ThickAsThieves happens to me a lot when pushing shares to people [07:20]
MisterE it's probably being ddosed [07:20]
Bunnyh Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated? [07:20]
Bunnyh 50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising... [07:20]
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MisterE yea 50 per block right? [07:21]
ThickAsThieves might wanna point out we arent talkin bout btc to luke [07:21]
MisterE and to me :p [07:21]
cs1980 taking about altcoin? [07:22]
ThickAsThieves yes [07:22]
Bunnyh Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount [07:22]
Luke-Jr I can. [07:23]
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ThickAsThieves care to share? [07:24]
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herbijudlestoids i got a present for yall [07:28]
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herbijudlestoids [07:28]
ThickAsThieves jurov when comes the ATC Coinroll? [07:28]
MisterE dammit man, I see images inline [07:28]
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MisterE buy a Tesla: What happens when a Tesla Model S gets rear ended? [07:29]
ThickAsThieves what is that a Kia? [07:30]
herbijudlestoids MisterE: never admit to geeks you see your images inline. [07:30]
MisterE fucker! [07:30]
MisterE it's ok I'm numb to goatse [07:31]
Bunnyh i wouldn't even want to imagine what most irc channels look like with inline images ... [07:32]
Luke-Jr ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh. [07:32]
MisterE its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over [07:32]
KRS-One lol MisterE [07:33]
ThickAsThieves Luke-Jr I never even heard of the thing [07:33]
ThickAsThieves just wondering [07:33]
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herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: give us a clue and we might be keen to contribute a patch? ;) [07:34]
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Luke-Jr subsidy = 5000000000 >> (height // 210000) [07:34]
herbijudlestoids is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before [07:35]
Luke-Jr used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block [07:35]
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Luke-Jr Eloipool [07:35]
Luke-Jr and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P [07:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00087297 = 4.3212 BTC [+] [07:36]
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ThickAsThieves so it was caused by eloipool not altcoind [07:37]
Vexual phew [07:37]
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Bunnyh thanks, mystery solved [07:38]
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herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: can we help with a patch? or its just a discrepancy for altcoins? [07:38]
Bunnyh that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins [07:38]
ThickAsThieves herb i think it's an incompatibility [07:39]
ThickAsThieves how is eloipool supposed to know what to predict if it isnt predictable [07:39]
Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: a patch would be handy [07:39]
Luke-Jr I'd think a simple config var with a lambda type would work [07:40]
Luke-Jr and complex altcoins could always define a full function in the config if they had to :p [07:40]
herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: i think im on your github, but not 100% sure. do you mind pulling it up? file/line number? [07:41]
mircea_popescu o that's it then [07:41]
Bunnyh herbijudlestoids: line 160 [07:42]
Luke-Jr Eloipool is Gitorious-only FWIW [07:42]
Luke-Jr and Bunnyh beat me to it [07:42]
mircea_popescu might be an idea to grep the code for any 5000000000 [07:43]
mircea_popescu just to be on the safe side [07:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00531478 = 0.6537 BTC [-] {7} [07:43]
herbijudlestoids [07:43]
mircea_popescu because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse. [07:43]
ozbot in bitcoin/eloipool:master - Gitorious [07:43]
Bunnyh no other hits for 5000000000 [07:43]
mircea_popescu cool then. [07:44]
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herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: i like to think that i dont suck at python, but iv never used lambda functions before [07:53]
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ThickAsThieves [07:54]
ozbot ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It [07:54]
mircea_popescu 2fa huh. [07:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087297 = 3.4919 BTC [+] [08:07]
Duffer1 pankakke around? [08:08]
Duffer1 ;;later tell pankakke for your thread [08:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:09]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips [08:11]
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Duffer1 ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury [08:12]
Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: abc = lambda(a, b): a + b [08:12]
Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: is the same as [08:12]
Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: def abc(a, b): return a + b [08:12]
Luke-Jr except abc might be instead of just a word [08:12]
Duffer1 er probably bitfury [08:12]
mircea_popescu it's bitfury [08:12]
mircea_popescu not that many actual chips around. not yet anyway. [08:12]
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herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: why lambda and not int? dont want to hassle you about stupid shit so feel free to ignore [08:13]
Duffer1 it's interesting that people still believe anything ken says [08:13]
herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: let me finish this patch im attempting, if it sucks you can tell me what i did wrong :D [08:13]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: Do I need to resend my public key to MPEx to use my account? I keep getting unrecognized sig responses. [08:13]
mircea_popescu internet contrarianism. [08:13]
Duffer1 down is up here [08:13]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder did you after oct ? [08:14]
Bugpowder I don't think so [08:14]
mircea_popescu then yes. [08:14]
Bugpowder OH [08:14]
Bugpowder OK [08:14]
benkay (defun higher-order-function-for-passing (thinger) (inc thinger)) [08:15]
Bugpowder I love how I can spent an hour trying to fix gpg only to discover this fact. [08:15]
Bugpowder sending.. [08:15]
Duffer1 I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing? [08:15]
Duffer1 he's an idiot, don't overthink it OR is there another reason... [08:16]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 i dun see another reason [08:16]
mircea_popescu random internet person likes to get into arguments. [08:16]
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mircea_popescu no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong. [08:16]
mircea_popescu perhaps some upside, he's gonna be an internet expert if it randomly happens he' sright. [08:17]
Bugpowder I hope this works... [08:17]
Duffer1 he might be right in some rick and morty universe where 1+1=3... [08:17]
mircea_popescu "it's 2014 and that picture quality doesn't even exist anymore" i liked that part. [08:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087066 = 4.7886 BTC [-] [08:17]
herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: ok i emailed to the email address in your headers. [08:17]
Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: int cannot do what lambda does :P [08:18]
herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know [08:18]
herbijudlestoids but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify? [08:19]
mircea_popescu he doesn't know for a fact it will be always ints. [08:19]
Luke-Jr it could be an exponential degrade every block, for example [08:20]
Luke-Jr or the subsidy could grow [08:20]
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herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business [08:21]
herbijudlestoids i guess not really a "deal" [08:22]
mircea_popescu lol [08:22]
mircea_popescu pledge ? [08:22]
herbijudlestoids yea i pledge on mircea_popescus pants [08:22]
mircea_popescu best put some on then [08:23]
Luke-Jr I wouldn't call it correct. [08:23]
Luke-Jr I would argue that CoinDecimals*CoinBlockReward is wrong [08:23]
Luke-Jr and that software should only ever work in the base unit [08:23]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids remove this "decimals" nonsense from your head right now. [08:24]
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mircea_popescu all bitcoin amounts are simply satoshi ints. [08:24]
mircea_popescu there's no fractions in crypto. [08:24]
benkay learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids [08:24]
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herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000 [08:25]
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mircea_popescu wait thats not right [08:25]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 100000000 / 10000000 [08:26]
gribble 10 [08:26]
mircea_popescu that's a dent. [08:26]
herbijudlestoids static const int64 COIN = 100000000; [08:26]
herbijudlestoids static const int64 CENT = 1000000; [08:26]
mircea_popescu a ok. [08:26]
herbijudlestoids sorry i might have the wrong number of 0s, didnt use CENT in my code in the end [08:27]
herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: so aside from that single multiplication issue, its ok? [08:27]
Luke-Jr looks ok [08:27]
benkay engineering can never be a copy/paste affair. [08:27]
herbijudlestoids alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out [08:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086801 = 24.7817 BTC [-] {2} [08:28]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope [08:28]
herbijudlestoids benkay: i didnt say i copied it :) [08:28]
herbijudlestoids but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code [08:28]
herbijudlestoids and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN [08:28]
herbijudlestoids ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool) [08:29]
Luke-Jr k [08:30]
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mircea_popescu lmao [08:33]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [08:33]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from [08:33]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:06f4e6d6f3f39f655619c7c5064ab96dcfcb77e103c7dedbccf58e2c [08:33]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 Noob. [08:33]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded. [08:33]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder should be ok [08:34]
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herbijudlestoids thx mircea_popescu [08:34]
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herbijudlestoids i have been waiting to do this for so long [08:35]
herbijudlestoids ;;rate BingoBoingo sexysosexy [08:35]
gribble Error: 'sexysosexy' is not a valid integer. [08:35]
herbijudlestoids ;;rate BingoBoingo 10 sexysosexy [08:35]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. [08:35]
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Bugpowder YES [08:35]
herbijudlestoids amirite? [08:35]
herbijudlestoids imrite [08:36]
Bugpowder if only I had gotten this to work a few months ago [08:36]
Bugpowder I was gonna by calls at 100 [08:36]
Bugpowder hey [08:36]
Bugpowder how are bitcoin transfers working right now? [08:36]
Bugpowder Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled? [08:36]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 etc [08:37]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded. [08:37]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder what's malled ?! [08:37]
Bugpowder like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated? [08:38]
mircea_popescu what difference does it make ?! [08:38]
mircea_popescu i have no idea %s, i dunno anyone counted. [08:38]
mircea_popescu ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 ATC [08:38]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded. [08:38]
Bugpowder dunno. I just don't want to send a deposit and have it go to limbo [08:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087362 = 32.2366 BTC [+] {2} [08:39]
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mircea_popescu anyway, that's it for me. take care all. [08:40]
Vexual anyone blacklisting wonky nodes? [08:40]
herbijudlestoids cya mp [08:40]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [17:24]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [17:24]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [17:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.000869 = 5.4313 BTC [-] [17:26]
boolcrap whats an assbot [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+] [17:31]
asciilifeform boolcrap: tickers. [17:32]
mircea_popescu boolcrap it's a bot. it does various useful things like [17:33]
mircea_popescu !t m x.eur [17:33]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00197733 / 0.00197826 / 0.00198459 (1550 shares, 3.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00175376 / 0.0019975 (21050 shares, 36.92 BTC) [17:33]
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asciilifeform and this.... 'amazing' [17:33]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:33]
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kakobrekla !h boolcrap [17:35]
assbot List of commands: [17:35]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [17:35]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [17:35]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [17:35]
kakobrekla hm [17:35]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [17:35]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [17:35]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from [17:35]
assbot !bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} [17:35]
assbot !quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} [17:35]
kakobrekla tjos os mpt tje way ot should be [17:35]
kakobrekla whatever [17:35]
mircea_popescu lol [17:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'everything new is carefully forgotten old' - [17:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol [17:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla but srsly, bet closed on 14th, guy agitates about not being paid on 14th ? [17:37]
mircea_popescu it's not even been a day >< [17:37]
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pankkake !rules [17:37]
kakobrekla ah right [17:38]
kakobrekla i missed that part [17:38]
herbijudlestoids hullo guys [17:38]
herbijudlestoids just about bedtime here [17:38]
mircea_popescu i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still. [17:38]
kakobrekla sry mp, thought it was 5 days. [17:38]
mircea_popescu "aveti putintica rabdare" as teh phrase goes. [17:38]
mircea_popescu np np [17:38]
jborkl the option bid/ask is offline right now MP? [17:38]
mircea_popescu jborkl bot must have failed to get a quote [17:39]
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Jere_Jones mircea_popescu Feature request for A link to the part in the relevant part at so that context is easier to find. [17:39]
mircea_popescu this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ? [17:40]
jborkl ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember [17:40]
mircea_popescu bitcoincharts, as before. [17:40]
jborkl ok thanks [17:40]
mircea_popescu i've never changed that [17:40]
herbijudlestoids i been thinking tonight, i might have to force myself to not come in here for a while. in a week or so big things coming and i need to make sure all my focus on it. this place is just too distracting :P ...hopefully when i come back ill be rich. [17:40]
kakobrekla i approve of the idea. [17:40]
mircea_popescu << this is such lulz. [17:41]
herbijudlestoids aside from reading bash and trilema, any advice for someone who has to take a gap? [17:41]
boolcrap i see [17:41]
mircea_popescu "mp, you must do what we say or else we'll hurt ourselves! care!" [17:41]
ozbot MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:41]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids get laid. [17:41]
herbijudlestoids haha [17:41]
herbijudlestoids -assets related advice [17:41]
mircea_popescu dun worry too much, as exciting as it may seem and as fleeting it may appear for that reason, bitcoin will still be here in a decade, and so will this chan. [17:42]
mircea_popescu you'll just be older and decrepit-er and senile-er [17:42]
mircea_popescu aka richer. [17:42]
boolcrap your saying that humanity will survive another 10 years? [17:42]
kakobrekla YOU A RE HUMAN!?! [17:42]
boolcrap im pretty sure we are on the verge of blowing all of ourselves up [17:43]
mircea_popescu boolcrap just the girls. [17:43]
boolcrap hrm [17:43]
boolcrap they would become asexual? [17:43]
chetty we been there for 50 years, nothing to see there [17:43]
herbijudlestoids ok thx. [17:43]
asciilifeform 'we shall all bake together when we bake...' [17:44]
boolcrap lawl. [17:44]
herbijudlestoids i might try to pop in occasionally for a rematch against bingoboingo [17:44]
herbijudlestoids behave yourselves :) [17:44]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids : "go! go to your fancy fire!" [17:44]
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mircea_popescu ;;google blow tumbler [17:45]
gribble blow on Tumblr: ; beyonce blow on Tumblr: ; Blown glass Tumbler - YouTube: [17:45]
mircea_popescu google seems stuck in safe mode [17:45]
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boolcrap assbot [17:48]
boolcrap show me some ass [17:48]
boolcrap !ass [17:48]
boolcrap !hotass [17:48]
asciilifeform .bait [17:48]
ozbot [17:48]
boolcrap there we go [17:48]
boolcrap !hotamericanjailbaitass [17:48]
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ThickAsThieves bitstamp open for withdrawals again [18:11]
ThickAsThieves [18:13]
assbot 123! [18:13]
ozbot Charting Bitcoin's Unsteady Rise | MIT Technology Review [18:13]
ThickAsThieves minimally interesting... [18:14]
ThickAsThieves "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" [18:15]
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mike_c and by "spent" they mean.. moved? [18:16]
mike_c so when mining pools distribute shares the coins are "spent" i guess? [18:16]
deadweasel they don't know what they mean. [18:16]
deadweasel spendthrift miners! [18:16]
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ThickAsThieves yeah the graphic is kinda useless [18:18]
ThickAsThieves sorry MIT [18:18]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves> "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" << on the basis of what ? [18:36]
mircea_popescu this should be lulzy. [18:38]
ozbot Calling out [18:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ [18:38]
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pankkake I wouldn't reduce bitbet to gambling [18:43]
mircea_popescu this is a point. [18:43]
pankkake and I think CBTC is the least worst havelock security :) (I sold mine as soon as I could make a profit, because fuck havelock, but anyways) [18:44]
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mircea_popescu yes, which is why the mention. [18:45]
mircea_popescu wtf must you be thinking, to simply make false statements for absolutely no reason. [18:45]
mircea_popescu pretty disappointing. [18:45]
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pankkake "the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games" is true if you account for "unique" [18:46]
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pankkake everything's unique in some way [18:46]
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mircea_popescu not really. [18:46]
mircea_popescu i get that this has of late become fashionable, but it's not actually true. [18:46]
mircea_popescu every apple is not unique. it's just an apple. [18:46]
mircea_popescu more abstractly : for things to be unique it's not enough for them to be different, it's also required for that difference to be meaningful in some sort of actual system. it's not enough that a system may exist in which the difference may be meaningful. it has to be actually meaningful in an actual system. [18:47]
mircea_popescu and one's mother is not a system. [18:47]
deadweasel Hey, they launched a poll to confirm their beliefs about their upcoming growth spurt... what other evidence do you need? [18:47]
deadweasel A poll, in the forums.... [18:48]
mircea_popescu deadweasel maybe they can laungh a poll so that 2013 comes before 2011 in their personal history. [18:48]
deadweasel since they're trading below IP, it would make them look profitable! [18:48]
deadweasel IPO* [18:48]
mircea_popescu s/laungh/launch. apparently laugh got impacted in there [18:48]
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deadweasel glad you took them to task. that is a very scammy venture judging by their post. [18:50]
mircea_popescu i'm with pankkake, they actually are one of the less scammy things on havelock. [18:50]
mircea_popescu they only took their investors down 30% or so, so far. [18:50]
deadweasel i've stopped looking at anything on havelock, because if it's on havelock.... [18:50]
mircea_popescu [18:50]
mircea_popescu this is the worst fucking idea ever. [18:50]
mircea_popescu any chick with nice tits has serious problems running topless. [18:51]
mircea_popescu they should have let them wear bras and nothing else. [18:51]
pankkake they're over the IPOs price now I think [18:51]
mircea_popescu pankkake yeah, because they want to sell more treasury stock. [18:51]
pankkake they made 3 IPOs, each newer IPO… cheaper [18:51]
deadweasel hahaha [18:51]
mircea_popescu derp. [18:51]
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pankkake and the first one was sold out very quick, it traded much higher for a short time, like the older havelock IPOs [18:52]
pankkake so that whole thing was badly done [18:52]
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deadweasel were they IPOd before havelock changed ownership? [18:52]
pankkake yes [18:53]
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jborkl topace doesnt own havelock anymore? [18:54]
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mircea_popescu they did some dubious shuffling of assets [18:55]
mircea_popescu it's clearly a fraudulent construct and will be pierced by any court, but hey. [18:55]
pankkake seems to be a bit stronger than the others [18:56]
jborkl oh huh, what did they inc in another country and transfer type of deal? [18:56]
topace correct i am no longer a majority stakeholder in havelock (the exchange) [18:56]
pankkake if you want lulz [18:56]
ozbot [ActiveMining] Shareholder Discussion Thread {moderated TROLL FREE} [18:56]
mircea_popescu jborkl i don't even remember which bahamas it supposedly was. [18:57]
jborkl ok, yeah I missed that completely. [18:58]
mircea_popescu pankkake that'll be interesting. i guess the results are only predictable to like five people or some shit. [18:58]
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mircea_popescu "We are being blocked, even in a startup the owners can move their ownership to another investor, we can't even do that." [18:58]
mircea_popescu derp. [18:58]
mircea_popescu why the fuck are all these people without a clue involved in stuff. [18:59]
jborkl I thought Activemining was resolved as a fat guy in the trunk of a 67 skylark 6 months ago [18:59]
mircea_popescu it was. [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60766948 BTC to 1`676 shares, 95923 satoshi per share [18:59]
jborkl ok, just making sure [18:59]
mircea_popescu nothing ever goes away on the forum. [18:59]
mircea_popescu even the gbbg dood is still there. [18:59]
mircea_popescu heck, goat is still there, rpietilla is still there, one of these days the pirate character is gonna start posting again. [19:00]
benkay some of the goat's posts ocassionally get 'edited' [19:00]
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Jere_Jones Favorite mp quote so far: "There’s however no intelligence required to be an asshole." [19:01]
mircea_popescu i said that ?! [19:01]
jborkl I noticed almost 0 of the advertising slots have been filled for about a month, I read about vaporware every few days [19:01]
Jere_Jones [19:01]
ozbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib [19:01]
Jere_Jones Right before "Meanwhile, quoth Business Insider :" [19:02]
mircea_popescu lol ozzie is too short for my titulature needs. [19:02]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones wonderful thing technology, i'd have forgotten 80% of my good ideas without it. [19:02]
Asa9 sir - I wish you were around when I was a teen. I would have had my shit together way before now. [19:07]
Asa9 you should call yourself the Oracle something [19:08]
Asa9 just wanted to add that after reading your site for awhile now [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+] [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02467648 = 0.6169 BTC [-] {8} [19:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00023897 = 0.1195 BTC [-] [19:10]
mircea_popescu i shall call myself mp! [19:12]
deadweasel 'his discourse is about on par with what you’d expect out of the Ohio representative in the Miss America competition.' >> ahahahahha [19:12]
Jere_Jones And... I'm out of trilema credits. I guess I should get some work done. [19:13]
mircea_popescu back to the mines. [19:13]
deadweasel dogecoin, because kids are starving in africa, [19:13]
mircea_popescu incidentally, this brings forth an interesting point : [19:13]
mircea_popescu people love to think that trilema credits system is there cause im greedy, but it may just as well be the case [19:14]
mircea_popescu they're there to force people to also do some work in a day. at the very least to pay for the credits. [19:14]
mircea_popescu fight the tendency to spend 100% of one's life in the sinagogue [19:14]
deadweasel or have rotating vpn.. [19:14]
mircea_popescu still needs to be paid for [19:14]
deadweasel i pay for it by reading it ;) [19:15]
mircea_popescu lol [19:15]
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deadweasel my brain will never be the same [19:15]
mircea_popescu no but this is in reference to an amply discussed 19th century problem, where jewish kids didn't really want to do anything but learn [19:15]
mircea_popescu cause it was more stimulating [19:15]
mircea_popescu and well... you can't have a society of nothing but that. [19:15]
deadweasel we're certainly trying over here, only we've managed to learn in a poorly to not-at-all fashion. and we're great at it. [19:16]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess that's progress. [19:16]
mod6 FORWARD SOVIET [19:17]
Jere_Jones Eh. No worries. Trilema credits are cheap. Surprisingly so. [19:17]
mircea_popescu mod6 it is, you know ? i mean people who haven't lived this side of the iron curtain can't really get the depth of it, it;s not the same to be told about it or to see it with your own eyes [19:18]
mircea_popescu but it is fucking soviet. [19:18]
mircea_popescu fractally so. in excruciatingly shocking detail. [19:18]
asciilifeform sad part is, these folks are about to get a Free! Amazing! excursion there. no time machine needed. [19:18]
mircea_popescu all sorts of obscure nonsensical shit you sincerely thought are an artefact of the time and place, [19:19]
mircea_popescu a resut of the stupidity of one particular race, [19:19]
asciilifeform the new, 'streamlined', 'modern' ussr. all butugichag, no kurchatov. [19:19]
mircea_popescu anything you wish. nope... was not. [19:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform then what's ann arbor ? [19:20]
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asciilifeform it'll be in anchorage or something [19:21]
asciilifeform the americans seem eager to move into the mythical ussr they themselves painted. [19:22]
asciilifeform where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.' [19:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the joke with the little girl and the icecream ? [19:22]
asciilifeform yes [19:22]
asciilifeform everyone knows it [19:22]
mircea_popescu fucking hell. [19:22]
mircea_popescu you know, i like the americans better. at least to them i can tell jokes :D [19:22]
asciilifeform anyone here doesn't know it? [19:23]
* deadweasel knows not [19:23]
Asa9 i don't [19:23]
Asa9 :( [19:23]
mircea_popescu mwahaha. [19:23]
deadweasel plunder our laughs [19:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you say it [19:23]
mod6 it has been quite the transformation over the last 30 years. WE WILL HAVE PROGRESS, FROM HOPE, TAXATION OF THE WEALTHY AND UNICORN FARTS! WE WILL SHOW THE WORLD HOW EXCEPTIONAL WE ARE! [19:24]
boolcrap tell me this joke i have not heard it [19:24]
mod6 *cough* [19:25]
asciilifeform mp, i liked your telling. let's have it [19:25]
mircea_popescu i told it before ? [19:25]
mircea_popescu jesus i'm already an old man, check me out. [19:25]
asciilifeform at some point [19:25]
* mircea_popescu coughs [19:25]
mircea_popescu ok, so school in soviet russia [19:26]
mircea_popescu a guy in the required sunglasses joins the 4th grade to help with their political educaiton [19:27]
mircea_popescu tells the kiddos all about the horrible imperialist barbaric lands outside of The Country, and how children there are kept naked and starving and forced to labour in huge child labour camps [19:27]
mircea_popescu whereas for comparison the kids in the soviet union are free and happy and even get icecream! [19:28]
mircea_popescu little girl in last row starts crying her pioneer shirt off [19:28]
mircea_popescu "what's the matter little girl ?" [19:28]
mircea_popescu "i want to go to the soviet union!!!" [19:28]
Asa9 lol [19:28]
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boolcrap heh [19:29]
mod6 *grin* [19:29]
boolcrap i have a joke [19:29]
mircea_popescu shoot [19:29]
boolcrap its my only joke ever. [19:29]
boolcrap ok so [19:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what were schoolkids' paramilitary thing called in the ussr ? i forget. [19:29]
boolcrap a rabbi a priest and little boy are sitting at a table, the little boy is kind of bent over the table getting something [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+] [19:29]
boolcrap so the priest turns to the rabbi and says " boy id love to screw that little boy" [19:30]
boolcrap and the rabbi says " out of what?" [19:30]
mircea_popescu lol [19:30]
Jere_Jones lol [19:30]
mod6 haha [19:30]
jborkl heh very good [19:30]
Asa9 I went to the shrink once. He diagnosed me as being Stoic. I cried. [19:30]
Jere_Jones Anyone heard the "Theory vs Reality" joke? It's the only one I have that routinely gets geniuine laughs. [19:30]
mircea_popescu anyway [19:31]
ozbot Hymn of the USSR - Red Army Choir (English Sub.) - YouTube [19:31]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones "two whores" ? [19:31]
Jere_Jones Yeah [19:31]
Jere_Jones A life lesson and a joke in one. [19:31]
mircea_popescu there's this romanian joke whereby the insane in one asylum loved jokes, and knew them so well that people'd just say the index # and everyone laughed. [19:31]
Jere_Jones That joke is romanian? [19:32]
mircea_popescu so the romanians say. [19:32]
Jere_Jones lol [19:32]
mircea_popescu im sure it's persian or something [19:32]
boolcrap popescu do you like romanian gymnasts ? [19:33]
mircea_popescu sure, why not. [19:33]
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boolcrap i have nothing further to contribute to this. [19:34]
boolcrap hey i hear the internet is amazing in romania. [19:34]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00087104 = 21.7324 BTC [+] {2} [19:35]
mircea_popescu it is actually. top 5 in teh world or something. [19:35]
pankkake really? [19:35]
mircea_popescu yeah. [19:35]
boolcrap popescu are you like, the only honest man in romania? [19:35]
pankkake for some reasons romania is banned as a whole in many private torrent trackers [19:35]
pankkake so I supposed it was shitty [19:35]
mod6 lol, someone should spoof that USSR Hymn, change the words to USSA and obummer & co. [19:36]
mircea_popescu pankkake nah, it's definitely the best in the eu. [19:36]
mircea_popescu boolcrap nah. [19:36]
pankkake if you don't account for scandinavia maybe [19:36]
mircea_popescu [19:37]
ozbot Top 10: Where to Find the World's Fastest Internet: 5. Romania - Bloomberg [19:37]
boolcrap dam [19:37]
jborkl pankkake, MP can answer this- but I seem to remember Romania had a bad rap for spam email servers awhile back so it is assumed [19:37]
mircea_popescu yes, if you account for it. [19:37]
boolcrap what kind of line do u have at your house in romania? [19:37]
mircea_popescu [19:38]
mircea_popescu that's the provider. 150mbps for like 30 bux or w/e [19:38]
boolcrap dam [19:38]
mircea_popescu o wait, 9 bux [19:38]
boolcrap sounds amazing [19:38]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:38]
mircea_popescu apparently they slashed it [19:38]
pankkake :o [19:38]
boolcrap what about [19:38]
boolcrap in the country side [19:38]
boolcrap what kind of internet do they have? [19:38]
mircea_popescu this is the country side. [19:38]
boolcrap heh [19:38]
boolcrap so [19:38]
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mircea_popescu europe, and especially romania, has been continuously inhabited for 2k years. [19:39]
mircea_popescu there is no "countryside" in the arizona sense of the term [19:39]
deadweasel 9 bucks! i am in prison... [19:39]
mircea_popescu deadweasel told ya. [19:39]
boolcrap theres no places where there isnt fiber run? [19:39]
mod6 i used to live in the az countryside :) [19:39]
mircea_popescu boolcrap there are, but you'd have to go there FOR THAT purpose. [19:39]
boolcrap o [19:39]
* mod6 daydreams [19:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, getting gbps connections isn't either hard or expensive. [19:40]
boolcrap dam i just moved to the country [19:41]
boolcrap bad internet [19:41]
boolcrap back to 1997 speeds. [19:41]
mod6 ahh, waiting for boobs, one line of pixels at a time 'eh [19:41]
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mircea_popescu lmao [19:41]
pankkake I pay 50€ for 100M down / 5M up. and most people don't even have access to that [19:41]
mircea_popescu pankkake told ya. [19:42]
boolcrap im getting about 56k down [19:42]
mircea_popescu >< [19:42]
boolcrap :) [19:42]
boolcrap how do i jerk off, no one knows [19:42]
boolcrap nothing worse than waiting for some hot porn to load [19:42]
mod6 slowly [19:42]
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mircea_popescu boolcrap so get a woman. [19:43]
boolcrap well [19:43]
boolcrap in my country i dont have a stable of women [19:43]
boolcrap like u do [19:43]
mircea_popescu builds character anyway. you'll get trained against doing i too early. [19:43]
mircea_popescu pankkake incidentally, banning romania in a torrent tracker is pretrty much idiotic. [19:43]
mircea_popescu i would guess 50% of all material in the eu is in romania. [19:43]
pankkake most French internet is 20M down/1M up for 30€ (DSL) - some lucky people have real FTTH though, with symetric bandwith [19:43]
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pankkake conversely, there are many romanian trackers [19:44]
mircea_popescu pankkake obviously you can have anything custom installed. the discussion is more about you know, entry level or average or w/e [19:44]
pankkake either it was because some ISPs were altering the traffic (happens in Israel), or there were too many cheaters (romanians, after all) [19:44]
pankkake well French FTTH is about 30€ too. just way too few places where it is installed [19:45]
pankkake and it seems most of the hurdle is bureaucracy [19:45]
pankkake the lines are built [19:45]
mircea_popescu of course. [19:45]
mircea_popescu pankkake what'd a cheater do to a torrent ?! [19:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51941 BTC [-] [19:46]
pankkake my coproperty said yes to an ISP… 3 years ago [19:46]
pankkake private trackers rely on the clients to tell how much they upload and download [19:46]
pankkake but you can totally lie [19:46]
pankkake of course, unless everyone lies, you can figure out who did lie [19:47]
mircea_popescu but why do you care if they lie or not / [19:47]
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pankkake each user has upload/download stats [19:47]
pankkake and you have to maintain a good ratio of those [19:47]
jborkl [19:48]
ozbot FiOS customer discovers the limits of “unlimited” data: 77TB a month | Ars Technica [19:48]
pankkake the goal is to encourage sharing [19:48]
mircea_popescu this sounds to me like french bureaucracy [19:48]
pankkake haha [19:48]
mircea_popescu just let people do whatever the fuck it is they please to do. [19:48]
pankkake well, the end result is a lot of content and a lot of speed [19:49]
mircea_popescu seeing how there's no comparison point, all soviet bureaucracies claim a lot of speed and content [19:49]
mircea_popescu north korea is at this very moment saying the same [19:49]
punkman1 the goal is usually to get people to pay for download credits, since they can't actually upload anything [19:49]
mircea_popescu derp. [19:49]
punkman1 because too many people uploading [19:49]
pankkake the real issue of private trackers is… CENTRALIZATION!! [19:49]
mircea_popescu so the goal is to try and recreate riia out of material stolen from the riia [19:50]
pankkake the best trackers - as in best content and spee- usually don't do that [19:50]
mircea_popescu obviously. [19:50]
mircea_popescu and the better ones actually don't block romania, on the grounds of you know, being in romania in the first place. [19:50]
pankkake [19:51]
mircea_popescu kinda meaningless to me but hey. [19:52]
pankkake I wanted to compare the different reward/"economic" systems but never got to it [19:52]
punkman1 pankkake: how can that small amount of leechers support those seeders? [19:52]
mircea_popescu lol! [19:52]
pankkake what do you mean? [19:52]
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punkman1 seeders need leechers to get download credit, not enough leechers for everyone [19:53]
punkman1 yeah it's a bit twisted this logic [19:53]
pankkake the thing is, most of your torrents stay idle, but you then can seed a LOT of things [19:53]
mircea_popescu [19:53]
pankkake I have about 6000 albums seeding on that tracker alone [19:54]
mircea_popescu wikipedia deletes page because people who didn't like obama used it as an example. [19:54]
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pankkake and maybe 5 at a time max with downloaders. so it's manageable [19:54]
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pankkake wikipedians love to delete pages [19:54]
mircea_popescu only some of them. [19:55]
mircea_popescu they don't delete the retarded pages about nonsense like bullying [19:55]
mircea_popescu they do delete pages that dare notice that indeed forward is shorthand for stupid. [19:55]
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deadweasel i leech plenty [20:13]
deadweasel limit my up to 10kb [20:13]
deadweasel :) [20:13]
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Duffer1 hola [20:20]
mircea_popescu hey [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06647788 = 2.6591 BTC [-] {9} [20:24]
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Asa9 mp - Im doing some housework and Im hummiing along with the hymn of the soviet union. Thanks a lot! [20:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28551 @ 0.0008708 = 24.8622 BTC [-] {3} [20:27]
asciilifeform soyuz nerushymyj,... [20:27]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:31]
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mircea_popescu bessmertnykh idej kommunizma! [20:32]
asciilifeform haha [20:32]
asciilifeform lenin velikij nam put' ozaril... [20:32]
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mircea_popescu nono the best part about lenin (in romanian at least) is Partiia Lenina!!!! [20:33]
mircea_popescu because in romanian, feminine is derogatory, and party and lenin are both masculine. [20:33]
mircea_popescu so it's like... partidette leninette a la smurfette. [20:33]
asciilifeform ahaa [20:34]
mircea_popescu people tended to lol at that part. [20:34]
asciilifeform 'only the laziest won't kick a dead lion' (rus) [20:35]
mircea_popescu i guess hipsters don't either, nor rabis. [20:35]
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kakobrekla o pankkake whatcd :) [20:50]
pankkake which has been ddosed for weeks :( decentralize it! [20:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00087253 = 8.3763 BTC [+] {2} [20:57]
kakobrekla i barely use it anymore [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1739 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3793 BTC [+] [20:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0729 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {2} [21:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00087387 = 68.861 BTC [+] {4} [21:19]
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pankkake easy MPOE-PR opportunity: [22:41]
mod6 oh wow. [22:41]
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mod6 2FA key was written down on paper as "backup". << 2FA ftw lawl [22:43]
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pankkake well if the paper was the issue, that's someone he knows [22:44]
punkman1 "So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?" [22:44]
Willdude123 Hello [22:45]
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kakobrekla hi [22:48]
kakobrekla [22:48]
punkman1 i lol'd [22:48]
Willdude123 What was that rather large stock exchange that shut down? Something E [22:49]
Willdude123 Or did it shut [22:49]
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Willdude123 Are there any good books on investments I can read? [22:50]
B007 yes [22:50]
Asa9 the richest man in babylon [22:51]
Asa9 start there [22:51]
Asa9 :D [22:51]
Asa9 there are many pdfs online [22:51]
kakobrekla B007's favorite 'Pumpin'n'dumping by Pirrratee Atrobterts' [22:51]
Willdude123 Is that not a little old? [22:52]
Asa9 well what do you mean on investments? [22:52]
kakobrekla afaik preorders were just ipoed [22:52]
B007 kakobrekla: oh you [22:52]
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kakobrekla Willdude123 turned out to be a good book to read up on investments [22:53]
Willdude123 So just reading what people say here? [22:53]
kakobrekla and said. [22:54]
Willdude123 I don't particularly understand this B.SELL and B.MINE business [22:54]
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kakobrekla read the contract if there is any [22:55]
pankkake it's inspired by [22:55]
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Willdude123 Somewhat difficult to understand, will continue [22:56]
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kakobrekla take the time to understand and self learn yourself [22:57]
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Willdude123 kakobrekla, so how can they afford to pay out what a 5 mh/s miner would pay out? [23:04]
Willdude123 Do they have miners? [23:04]
Jere_Jones punkman1 What's wrong with asking customers what they want? [23:05]
punkman1 Jere_Jones: in this case, read the thread, and see the derps asking Havelock to 2FA HARDER [23:05]
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Willdude123 Well this is remarkably confusing [23:08]
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Willdude123 So it costs £12000 to register with MPEX. How does anyone make any profit? [23:11]
bones` I would think successful trades? [23:12]
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deadweasel i don't think he accepts £ [23:14]
Willdude123 Well, 30BTC then [23:16]
Willdude123 Sorry, I've yet to manage thinking in BTC without converting it to my own currency [23:16]
bones` Some good introductory reading: [23:17]
Willdude123 Whut? [23:18]
Willdude123 The lmgtfy thing didn't really work as one was not expecting to google that [23:19]
Asa9 [23:19]
ozbot Does Janet Yellen believe in deflation? - Brett Arends's ROI - MarketWatch [23:19]
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Willdude123 I think I sort of just about get it now [23:26]
kakobrekla Willdude123 [23:28]
Willdude123 :) [23:29]
Willdude123 I semi-understand it [23:29]
Willdude123 I'm not making a claim to understanding it [23:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2} [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] [23:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] [23:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [23:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55489999 = 1.1098 BTC [+] {2} [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {3} [23:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210004 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2} [23:40]
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punkman1 [23:51]
ozbot Stephen Law: How the US Treasury imposes sanctions on me and every other "Stephen Law" on the planet [23:51]
BingoBoingo Oh, Altcoin now leads Opened in BTC volume [23:52]
pankkake 0.3BTC? WOW! [23:54]
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