Forum logs for 13 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3134466/Im-son-ate-Angry-dwarf-jailed-sticking-sucker-dart-head-pretending-Dalek-row-led-Tasered-twice-police.html	[00:43]
assbot	Angry dwarf Ian Salter-Bromley jailed after pretending to be a Dalek in row with police \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlXFaY )	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	^ Truly an hero for our people	[00:44]
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asciilifeform	from the lulzfarms: https://cryptome.org/2015/08/michael-hastings-thoughts.htm	[00:48]
assbot	Thoughts About Michael Hastings ... ( http://bit.ly/1WkAOl4 )	[00:48]
asciilifeform	'"For secret assassination, either simple or chase, the contrived accident is the most effective technique. When successfully executed, it causes little excitement and is only casually investigated."'	[00:48]
trinque	who can even question what happened to him	[00:49]
trinque	poor fella went for a 130mph drive in the middle of the night, I suppose I'm supposed to believe	[00:49]
asciilifeform	and exploded like 'movie car', aha	[00:49]
asciilifeform	by itself.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	in fireball that equals at least half a kilo of trotyl, no less.	[00:50]
trinque	sparks even, as though trying to jam the breaks, iirc	[00:50]
trinque	*brakes	[00:50]
trinque	I remember that happening, and the reality of it sinking in	[00:50]
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trinque	"They're everything they ever claimed they defend against."	[00:50]
asciilifeform	times $maxint.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against.	[00:51]
trinque	yep	[00:52]
*	trinque was about to depart, but couldn't help but comment seeing "Hastings"	[00:52]
trinque	bbl	[00:52]
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BingoBoingo	True shame Hastings didn't live long enough to make the target on his back more vivid by flirting with #b-a	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	"The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start."	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	"Motorcycle Gangs" is USG code for blessed sons of the DEA. Nearly all their contemporary membership is eather hobbyist medical pros or former Law enforcement	[01:06]
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BingoBoingo	The law enforcement - Biker gang connection even leaks into USG blessed pop culture from time to time.	[01:09]
BingoBoingo	"If the subject's personal habits make it feasible, alcohol may be used [very successfully] to prepare him for a contrived accident of any kind." << FU Hoover	[01:10]
BingoBoingo	Hastings may very well have simply pushed his luck one too many times with reckless behavior. In true Hunter S. Thompson fashion. Even then it would still be interesting to know what he was working on. A lesson for acoyltes of the press? << Thompson preserved his live by straddling the edge of credibility. "To weird to die" was likely both his motto and official USG policy.	[01:12]
BingoBoingo	"The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start." << If Mr. Bolles has a known propensity for peyote and cocaine he likely could have avoided this fate whil	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	e still reporting the same things.	[01:13]
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BingoBoingo	USG though always operates under the assumption Nixon era "Drugs once damaged forever" cridibility doctrine holds	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	By this form a tab of LSD to asciilifeform may extend his life a decade, or USG whims could change	[01:17]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[01:19]
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phf	i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something?	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	phf: Plenty in his sports writing.	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	But, that could also be sports writing.	[01:22]
BingoBoingo	He published in book form a bunch of shit he got being one of the few people Nixon could talk Football with	[01:22]
BingoBoingo	USG, I will send you to Kismet and I will eat your soul	[01:23]
phf	is that the Campaign Trail '72 one?	[01:23]
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BingoBoingo	phf: Yeah	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	Great read	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	I gave my copy to some girl I fancied at the time which was not the girl I fancied at the time who would have appreciated it.	[01:24]
phf	i've lost a lot of good books that way	[01:25]
*	BingoBoingo is nothing if not arbitrary in lightening his shelves	[01:25]
phf	it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again	[01:26]
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BingoBoingo	I am actually not sure to this day if that girl is literate herself.	[01:26]
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mircea_popescu	i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today << win.	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	Tonight's film Cinderella Man	[01:48]
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BingoBoingo	Great USG poverty flick so far	[01:50]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against. << who, the soviets ?	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	WWIII was a necessary involvement for the Yankees. One that strengthened the South immeasurably.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.	[01:55]
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mircea_popescu	and similarly moore's mostly an opportunist. nevertheless, they represent the neverending hope of the countless christine wiigs out there, between fargo and paris (wi) that they to one day could be famous!	[01:56]
pete_dushenski	goddam wiig even wants to shit on ghostbusters now	[01:57]
pete_dushenski	along with hamplanet mccarthy, naturally	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it.	[01:57]
pete_dushenski	not that i have any real love lost for ghostbusters movies, but the cartoons...	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	this "giving" bs is like lifting kids up to the basketball hoop. pointless and boring.	[01:58]
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pete_dushenski	lol @ vex	[01:58]
*	mircea_popescu never followed either	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	was this HB ?	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	myea, twas a generational thing	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	sorry, hb ?	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	hanna-barbera	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	aha, like flinstones and jetsons	[02:00]
*	mircea_popescu loved both cow&chicken and animaniacs. not THAT generational.	[02:00]
pete_dushenski	i definitely enjoyed animaniacs and pinky and the brain, never watched much cow&chick	[02:01]
wilbns	ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	if you ever want to introduce a kid to surrealism, c&c is the way to go.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	plus exactly the right brand of anarchic anti-authoritarian, sexually innuendo-ian and so forth	[02:02]
trinque	I still re-watch ren & stimpy time to time	[02:03]
pete_dushenski	'the real ghostbusters' (cartoon) was developed by columbia pictures and 'dic entertainment'. i'm not sure that it was any good, more that the siren sound of the car as played in the theme song was really rather memorable	[02:03]
pete_dushenski	wilbns: which one was gummy bears again ?	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	it's a pity they took southpark the route of this hot topic "let's stand in front random news event of the week"	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	show used to be a lot better a decade ago	[02:04]
wilbns	pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4aJz2E5LQI:	[02:04]
assbot	Gummi Bears 0401 Gummi´s At Sea (Full Episode) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TvUo9K )	[02:04]
trinque	indeed. clearly wanted to cash in and go do broadway	[02:04]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin.	[02:04]
trinque	r&s is imo an excellent satire of various common american mental illnesses	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski it's a great show, starting maybe about 5-6-7 or so but be prepared to support the kid by not being a hypocrite cop-out sorta parent. which always sounds a lot easier than it turns out to be	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	wilbns dude i think i ate some of those	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea they were a cartoon	[02:06]
wilbns	mircea_popescu: haha, yes, exactly, that was my favorite candy as a kid which is why i liked the cartoon	[02:06]
pete_dushenski	they're no sour patch kids	[02:06]
pete_dushenski	the show looks like a stoner's brainchild	[02:08]
*	trinque now has the duck tales theme stuck in head	[02:08]
trinque	ah oooooh ooh	[02:08]
wilbns	trinque: me too	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it. << Been a decade and months since my mistake. Recognized when I wanted to see them again.	[02:09]
wilbns	after hanna barbera stuff and disney cartoons, will never forget the first time i accidentally stumbled upon aeon flux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVZXElRgYwk	[02:09]
assbot	(MTV) Aeon Flux Series - Season 1 (1991) - Pilot N/A - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je565e )	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	saw the film of that thing, because hot chick. was thoroughly disappointed.	[02:09]
wilbns	didn't see the movie, but there was all kinds of wacked out stuff happening in the cartoon. that was the first time i think i saw two animated characters getting it on w/ each other	[02:11]
trinque	http://images.alphacoders.com/480/480232.png	[02:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Je5kJB )	[02:11]
trinque	didn't see the film, but now I can see wanting to	[02:11]
pete_dushenski	mercy.	[02:11]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, liberast twist in "Cinderella Man" is wife doesn't want him to risk it for the children	[02:26]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-08-2015#1233728 << if it still works i'll buy it from you	[02:32]
assbot	Logged on 10-08-2015 22:33:31; *: shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere ....	[02:32]
wilbns	ah, what a phone	[02:32]
wilbns	fell off a roof onto my hip which had that phone clipped to it, no problem. accidentally put in a cup of whisky and coke, no problem.	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	The music-and if possible it should be the same music for everybody-is the most important ingredient. Its function is to prevent thought and conversation, and to shut out any natural sound, such as the song of birds or the whistling of the wind, that might otherwise intrude. The radio is already consciously used for this purpose by innumerable people. In very many English homes the radio is literally never turned off,	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	though it is manipulated from time to time so as to make sure that only light music will come out of it. I know people who will keep the radio playing all through a meal and at the same time continue talking just loudly enough for the voices and the music to cancel out. This is done with a definite purpose. The music prevents the conversation from becoming serious or even coherent, while the chatter of voices stops one	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	from listening attentively to the music and thus prevents the onset of that dreaded thing, thought. For:	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	The lights must never go out.	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	The music must always play,	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	Lest we should see where we are;	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	Lost in a haunted wood,	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	Children afraid of the dark	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	Who have never been happy or good.	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	what did jobs "invent" again ?	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	a whole fucking century with this.	[02:42]
ben_vulpes	(coracle at 281753)	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	How did "Million Dollar Baby" get acclaim and "Cincerella Man" didn't	[02:48]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: did you have any 'absolute path' issues when setting up coracle ? i still haven't overcome this issue with my rotor attempts	[02:49]
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BingoBoingo	Ho Bitch wife #CinderellaMan	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	Gaddammit Bitch wife	[03:05]
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hanbot	what did jobs "invent" again ? << elective lobotomies with moar rounded corners	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	not sure any cutting was required.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	some brains are born circumcised.	[03:08]
BingoBoingo	And Bitc wife comes to when she realizes only one outcome lets her live	[03:10]
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pete_dushenski	http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt << where my 'rotor' efforts for debian 7 currently rest.	[03:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NbXEr6 )	[03:25]
pete_dushenski	^mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes etc.	[03:26]
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fluffypony	lolwut	[03:27]
fluffypony	I just got a pm from WoodCollector	[03:27]
fluffypony	As the new owner of this account I have removed any feedback left by the previous owner as a courtesy before I sell the account.	[03:27]
fluffypony	PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE YOUR FEEDBACK AS IT IS HISTORICAL AND A REMINDER TO ALL TO BE CAREFUL.	[03:27]
fluffypony	This account is being sold soon, so please do not trust anyone on this account who says they are the original woodcollector.	[03:27]
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pete_dushenski	best price.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	...	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	is the new owner advising people against trusting the new owner ?	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	apparently obamacare doesn't make the lithium strong enough anymore.	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	"Vox Media, a publishing house for the digital age, has landed a $200 million strategic investment from the entertainment group NBCUniversal"	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	see, now that investment makes sense	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	values vox at $1 bn	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	nothing nbc bought in the past 2-12-20 billion has turned out worth anything	[03:31]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: what else has nbc bought in the last 5 years ?	[03:33]
*	BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	NBC bought Trump	[03:39]
BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[03:39]
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*	BingoBoingo likes the hollywood dichotomy of break your neck on a stool vs. buy a house in Jersey	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski they buy 5-20 shows a yerar.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	none of which you've heard of.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	none of which cost less than 10mn or so	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	aha. shows.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	for 20 years now, they've not caught a break.	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	30 rock was theirs.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	since seinfeld practically.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ?	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	30 rock might actually be the last tv show i watched that had me in stitches	[03:48]
fluffypony	http://imgur.com/gallery/tuG5A	[03:48]
assbot	Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ )	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski	[03:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: it probably grosses a couple million a year ? leaving a net of a few hundred k, i'd wager	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	...	[03:50]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: btw, what's the going rate for online ads these days ? sounds like cpm is dead, but do you know 'average' cpc off-hand ?	[03:51]
pete_dushenski	i'm trolling a local newsrag and need to know how far to take my schtick :)	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski << Seriosly NBC is too poor to film police dramas in NYC. Hence "Chicago PD"	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	it's about the same as buying "seer advice". you can pay as much as you want to, but you should buy the cheapest.	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ? << SNL, but "retired"	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	(usually cheapest here means - just get someone to edit your apache server logs)	[03:52]
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pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: they can always film in chicago and call it nyc, throw in some pixels so no one notices	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	The same way ESPN is mostly "athletes" but "retired"	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Not really. Middle America will know	[03:53]
pete_dushenski	you'd know better than i	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	skyline!	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: If any part of the "Chicago River" is in a frame most of use can smell it.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: But take comfort. The "Chicago River" is a 21st century open sewer	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	So post modern	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	Not long ago they pointed it away from Lake Michigan	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	How long ago is up to debate. Good metrics suggest most of it still goes to Lake Michigan.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	"a chity so chic its name even starts with chicloaca maxima!"	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	In the native language of the displaced folk, apparently Chicago meant "place that reeks of onion"	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	Because it was the wrong kind of bog.	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	Instead of bury your cheese to keep it safe Chicago was more... Like a FUPA	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	No way to avoid the mold	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	I have a fat acquaintence who moved to Shitcago. His fellow probationers are a harder and less human sort than he did rehab with here.	[04:02]
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BingoBoingo	Dude has a future though, he made himself some Jew Lawyer's pet.	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	lol	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	http://getoffmyinternets.net/token-fat-girl-blogger-dies-suddenly-at-age-30/	[04:07]
assbot	‘Token Fat Girl’ Blogger Dies Suddenly At Age 30 \| GOMI ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc319K )	[04:07]
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BingoBoingo	http://blog.genesisfellowship.com/2013/03/15/pray-for-the-spurlock-family.aspx	[04:07]
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BingoBoingo	The lawyer who has taken custody of my planetary acquainance is a good person though. I trust she will keep him safe. Her political opinions are close to Pete's except for the Bitcoin is going to burn the world part.	[04:10]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235775 <<< tbh, it was a sly attemptin asking you to speculate for what purpose that lab might've been used for, google didn't turn up anything	[04:29]
assbot	Logged on 12-08-2015 13:15:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235694 << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards	[04:29]
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punkman	http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/12/ohm-is-a-smarter-lighter-car-battery-that-works-with-your-existing-car/	[04:49]
assbot	Ohm Is A Smarter, Lighter Car Battery That Works With Your Existing Car \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJjMG9 )	[04:49]
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cazalla	http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/lenovo-pcs-and-laptops-seem-to-have-a-bios-level-backdoor.html	[04:58]
assbot	Lenovo PCs and Laptops seem to have a BIOS level backdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtYpAT )	[04:58]
cazalla	still catching up on logs so sorry if repost	[04:59]
cazalla	ah shit, not more than 10 lines later and i see shinohai beat me to it	[05:00]
shinohai	nw, it's kinda old news on my part realy that Lenovo has been exploiting UEFI	[05:01]
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punkman	is ubuntu compatible yet?	[05:02]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236757 <<< can vouch for this.. the 80 year old guy over the fence is always inviting me over to just stroll into his backyard and take what i want.. tools, veggies, whatever, help yourself he says but he is also a little senile so i've not taken up the offer lest he call the police because some intruder is in the backyard	[06:35]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 02:44:41; BingoBoingo: And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people.	[06:35]
cazalla	guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave	[06:37]
shinohai	I am almost ashamed to addmit I will converse with this old Mexican lady for up to an hour just because I love her damned pepper garden.	[06:37]
cazalla	what sort of peppers?	[06:38]
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shinohai	Jalepenos Habaneros	[06:41]
shinohai	I usually leave with a bundle of cilantro and onions too	[06:41]
shinohai	Literally tons of it growing around her place. I wish she grew pot.	[06:42]
cazalla	i've got a couple chillis to go in this spring - anaheim and royal black	[06:47]
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cazalla	tomatoes i've got planned are black cherry, mary italian and sweetie	[06:48]
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shinohai	oooh nice	[06:49]
shinohai	I buy tomatoes at farmers market usually.	[06:49]
cazalla	not convinced such markets are actually selling the product they claim to be	[06:50]
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cazalla	there was some media attention to that effect just a few months ago here.. imported chinese garlic sold as australia.. fucking food labelling here is so awful that you cannot know what comes from where.. example "made in australia from local and imported ingredients"	[06:52]
cazalla	another trick is to import chinese grown produce into australia by way of new zealand so can smack a "made in new zealand" label on it	[06:54]
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shinohai	Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.	[06:59]
shinohai	Usually camped out within a few yards of actual gardens xD	[07:00]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236922 <<< how much does a 2012 account go for?	[07:09]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 06:38:31; *: BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...	[07:09]
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shinohai	BingoBoingo: who are you on btctalk again?	[07:47]
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shinohai	!up Uglux	[08:42]
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shinohai	;;ticker	[08:43]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 263.44, Best ask: 263.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 263.45, 24 hour volume: 13872.40075161, 24 hour low: 263.33, 24 hour high: 270.09, 24 hour vwap: None	[08:43]
shinohai	http://thenextweb.com/apple/2015/08/13/just-stop-it/	[08:53]
assbot	A flasher exploited Apple's AirDrop feature ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwPDwu )	[08:53]
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shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/UFOEbGr.png hue	[09:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N5sa6U )	[09:53]
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asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2015/08/se-ends-part-assange-probe.htm << lulz	[10:54]
assbot	Sweden Ends Part of Assange Probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzBp20 )	[10:54]
asciilifeform	^ reads like an atrociously bad translation ?	[10:54]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236825 << looks like. there is this standard pattern of 'mentions interesting people/events, but no apparent contribution to the subject'	[11:02]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?	[11:02]
asciilifeform	what i don't get is - why?	[11:02]
asciilifeform	wtf is the point.	[11:02]
asciilifeform	smoke screen is the only rational explanation i can think of thus far.	[11:03]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236826 << tried to read several works of mr t. utter garbage.	[11:03]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:16; mircea_popescu: i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.	[11:03]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236905 << please post your rotor directory tree.	[11:05]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 06:25:25; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt << where my 'rotor' efforts for debian 7 currently rest.	[11:05]
asciilifeform	from this point on, this applies to anyone who wants help in building the thing	[11:06]
asciilifeform	i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with.	[11:06]
kakobrekla	he is so modest.	[11:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236937 << i read some variant of this claptrap on usenet, in, when, '96 ?	[11:08]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 06:48:16; assbot: Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ )	[11:08]
asciilifeform	funny how these things get recycled forever.	[11:08]
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shinohai	;;later tell pete_dushenski pm me and I'll get you past http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt	[11:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NbXEr6 )	[11:09]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236842 << all three of these were translated (the traditional ru single-voice crappy dub) and i saw'em as a boy	[11:16]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 05:01:16; wilbns: ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here.	[11:16]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236984 << can't wait for these to come with a cranked dynamo (preferably in the cab proper, perhaps somewhere under dashboard?)	[11:20]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 07:49:31; punkman: http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/12/ohm-is-a-smarter-lighter-car-battery-that-works-with-your-existing-car/	[11:20]
asciilifeform	then we can go full circle to the old days when there was no such thing as a car you couldn't start by hand	[11:20]
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pete_dushenski	shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !	[11:45]
shinohai	sweet :)	[11:45]
pete_dushenski	as such, 'tevye' is currently at 24404 and climbing	[11:46]
funkenstein_	pete_dushenski, congrats :)	[11:46]
pete_dushenski	soon, he will be a rich man !	[11:46]
funkenstein_	"For man only stays human by preserving large patches of simplicity in his life, while the tendency of many modern inventions-in particular the film, the radio and the aeroplane-is to weaken his consciousness, dull his curiosity, and, in general, drive him nearer to the animals."	[11:46]
shinohai	I liked this morning article as well. You may have noticed I fumbled the syntax.	[11:46]
funkenstein_	The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?	[11:46]
pete_dushenski	funkenstein_: lol cheers. i'm sorta surprised i didn't need more help than i did	[11:47]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell mod6 'tevye' the debian 7 rotor lives !	[11:47]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:47]
pete_dushenski	funkenstein_: who's the author of this quote ?	[11:48]
funkenstein_	from the orwel series	[11:48]
pete_dushenski	aha	[11:50]
pete_dushenski	which essay in particular ?	[11:50]
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funkenstein_	Pleasure Spots - Orwell	[11:50]
pete_dushenski	cool. i'm currently wandering through 'inside the whale'	[11:51]
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funkenstein_	wow that looks like a mega-review, consistent with his recommendation for book reviewers linked earlier :)	[11:55]
funkenstein_	I must say the rotor is a software release like no other I have seen, yes very deterministic	[11:55]
pete_dushenski	funkenstein_ speaking of nothing, are you still blogging much ? and what was the name of your site again ?	[11:57]
funkenstein_	perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this)	[11:57]
pete_dushenski	we never had it added to scoopbot_revived it seems.	[11:57]
funkenstein_	I've been busy but got several pieces started and torn up ;)	[11:57]
pete_dushenski	from what i recall of it, i'd much rather read funkenstein_'s writings than this junk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220877. as prophetic as this bit of ta was	[11:58]
assbot	Logged on 01-08-2015 15:05:18; scoopbot_revived: Short Term Update: headed to $255 https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/short-term-update-headed-to-255/	[11:58]
funkenstein_	I am hoping you will still be able to contravex us regulary even with new arrivals :)	[11:59]
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funkenstein_	frass.woodcoin.org <-- another place I display my ignorance from time to time	[11:59]
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punkman	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings	[12:03]
assbot	Jazz Jennings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsKh3u )	[12:03]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell williamdunne can we see about having frass.woodcoin.org to scoopy's roster ? please and thanks	[12:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:06]
williamdunne	Yes	[12:06]
pete_dushenski	cheers	[12:06]
pete_dushenski	funkenstein_: i imagine that contravex posts will either become shorter or slightly less frequent, but we shall see	[12:07]
pete_dushenski	it may go back to the 2-3 per week it was in its first ~6 months before it ramped up to the current 4-5 per week	[12:07]
pete_dushenski	!up thestringpuller	[12:08]
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thestringpuller	did anything come of this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969761	[12:09]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu:"The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"	[12:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.0006042 = 29.4245 BTC [-] {4}	[12:10]
pete_dushenski	"Imagine for a second that you see a great street juggler. He deserves a token of your appreciation. However instead of putting a hat out, he puts a sign up:"	[12:10]
pete_dushenski	"Thanks for your support! Please drive to E.Bumfuck, Ontario on Tuesday between 2 and 3 pm to make a donation, where we accept Disneyland Tickets or Hershey Park rain-date vouchers."	[12:10]
pete_dushenski	^cute imagery	[12:10]
punkman	where;s that from	[12:11]
pete_dushenski	funkenstein_'s http://frass.woodcoin.org/musicians-publish-a-fucking-address-already/	[12:11]
assbot	Musicians: Publish a fucking address already \| Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsL5pk )	[12:11]
thestringpuller	/wind 5	[12:15]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet	[12:26]
assbot	Intel left a fascinating security flaw in its chips for 16 years – here's how to exploit it • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsN0tX )	[12:26]
pete_dushenski	if this doesn't have you hunting the local classifieds for amd opterons and fxes, i dunno what will	[12:27]
pete_dushenski	"The good news is that Intel spotted the howler in its processor blueprints, and corrected the issue: chips built from January 2011 and onwards (Sandy Bridge Core CPUs and later) are not affected. " << highly suspicious	[12:29]
pete_dushenski	"old intel products like all old computing hardware is unsafe at any speed. please to upgrade to latest blackbox for maximal safety and suckoority"	[12:30]
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pete_dushenski	mhm. right.	[12:30]
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scoopbot_revived	A little bit of local research. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/13/a-little-bit-of-local-research/	[12:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237119 << howling idiocy. smm has been in the official docs, from intel and amd both, since 486.	[12:41]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 15:26:25; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet	[12:41]
pete_dushenski	"When the Pentium Pro (a P6 family chip) arrived in 1995, Intel allowed kernel-level developers to reprogram the local APIC so that it would appear elsewhere in physical memory. This was handy for moving the local APIC out of the way of low-level software that expected to use that high 0xFEE00000 address for something else."	[12:41]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: so amd is no cure for this nonsense ? and i'm guessing ppc is in the same boat ?	[12:42]
asciilifeform	which nonsense	[12:42]
asciilifeform	if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram	[12:42]
asciilifeform	including nothing at all	[12:42]
asciilifeform	likewise you can turn off all sources of smi (system managament interrupt) that put the machine in smm handler to begin with	[12:42]
asciilifeform	(ring0 code can still trigger smi by writing particular vendor-specific magic to the southbridge, but this is in no sense a vuln)	[12:43]
phf	also relevant https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole	[12:44]
assbot	xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsPhW3 )	[12:44]
pete_dushenski	"So Domas looked through Intel's sample SMM code, which is provided to firmware vendors to bake into motherboards. It turns out that pretty much all vendors use Intel's template SMM code."	[12:44]
asciilifeform	the apic thing is also a snore, in the sense of NO SHIT anything that sits on the bus can read from arbitrary physical ram	[12:44]
asciilifeform	including, say, your ethernet card	[12:45]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: the typical application for smm is items like the screen brightness keys found on laptops	[12:45]
pete_dushenski	don't forget key brightness	[12:46]
phf	seems reminiscent of bios virii from back then. "if you boot this floopy..! well, no shit"	[12:46]
asciilifeform	where the cpu needs to do a certain brief chore in an os-agnostic way	[12:46]
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asciilifeform	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l	[12:57]
assbot	Intel doubles its bounty for women and ethnic minorities • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsR4u7 )	[12:57]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/12/serenissima-your-serenissma-2015/#comment-26215	[12:58]
assbot	Serenissima Your Serenissma (2015) \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRbpB )	[12:58]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237071 << congrats pete_dushenski !	[13:01]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 14:44:54; pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !	[13:01]
pete_dushenski	haha thanks :D	[13:01]
asciilifeform	anyone still remains who tried to build rotor, but could not ?	[13:01]
asciilifeform	hanbot ?	[13:01]
pete_dushenski	i am now a ~real~ man	[13:02]
shinohai	awesum	[13:02]
pete_dushenski	https://youtu.be/DDW4hTWbRYs?t=22m30s << 'to hunt is ~so~ much fun, it is a great feeling when you kill an animal. it make you feel like a ~real~ man.'	[13:04]
assbot	Borat's Guide to Britain - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRT69 )	[13:04]
pete_dushenski	and with that, i'm off to have my weary joints and hulking muscles massaged good and proper. adieu !	[13:05]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237135 << so, i read the slides. 1) 20MB powerpoint pdf turd?!!! wtf, people. 2) the picture which implies priv escalation is disingenuous. there is, just as i said earlier, no esclation. you gotta be in ring0 to move the apic window. NONE OF THIS SHIT WAS SECRET, how did they even get a talking slot at 'blackhat' ?	[13:19]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 15:43:43; phf: also relevant https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole	[13:19]
*	BingoBoingo has a feeling asciilifeform could be the entire speaker slate at blackhat with things known since time immemorial. A few years ago I thought things being presented were novel. Now I look at the program and see loads of snore.	[13:23]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: one reason for this change is that ~actual~ exploits are (or are at least now thought to be) worth money.	[13:24]
phf	asciilifeform: i think that's a standard blackhat fair. i think the useful part is another cubbyhole to put rootkit fallback hooks, but it's presented like an earth shattering revelation, because	[13:24]
BingoBoingo	Seems people finally got the memo that if you find it you can sell it.	[13:25]
asciilifeform	phf: except that my fucking ~~~486~~~ reference manual describes smm	[13:25]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it	[13:25]
asciilifeform	here's an observation:	[13:26]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it << You have well founded suspicions of what happens to the unannoited who sell	[13:26]
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asciilifeform	vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market'	[13:26]
asciilifeform	where thousands of disposable 19-year-olds fight for a chance to publicly measure their cocks	[13:27]
asciilifeform	while giving the goods away for almost nothing	[13:27]
asciilifeform	but what they have really succeeded in is creating a 'fuck-you market'	[13:27]
asciilifeform	where plenty of folks just sit on the goods, 'because fuck you'	[13:27]
asciilifeform	it isn't even because i expect to meet up with folks who pay the 'fair price' at some future time,	[13:31]
asciilifeform	but simply because scorched earth.	[13:31]
phf	i think you have higher expectation of what should be coming out of security conferences. toorcon, schmoocon, defcon, blackhat (though i always though bh is like a grownup version) always seemed like a poc\|\|gtfo in a face-to-face with beer format	[13:31]
asciilifeform	phf: there was, at one time, considerably less flavour of scammitude and in-your-face lying	[13:32]
asciilifeform	also fewer 'eiffel towers built of matchsticks' - elaborately labyrinthine 'rube goldberg' machines, like the last third of that slide deck, which ultimately sum to 'i read a 486 manual taken from a dumpster'	[13:33]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the way it presently works is that the seller is at the total mercy of the buyer. disposable 19y.o. puts up with this because he is fucked in the head. a grown man - typically - does not	[13:35]
phf	when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negative desire to come up with systemati	[13:37]
phf	c solutions that address problems at the core	[13:37]
asciilifeform	for the record, i have never attended such an event	[13:38]
asciilifeform	but occasionally read the slides, at the instigation of colleagues and various other folks	[13:38]
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asciilifeform	it is virtually always the same kind of thing.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	the point i was trying to make is that: i hypothesize that the '0day market' consists very largely of folks who are sitting on 0day and not 'marketing' at all	[13:39]
asciilifeform	because they are not 19	[13:39]
asciilifeform	and/or do not want to give aid and comfort to usg.	[13:40]
BingoBoingo	Makes sense	[13:40]
asciilifeform	a simple calculation shows that - unless one is extraordinarily lucky - the effort which goes into finding a typical vuln, vs the typical 'bug bounty' offered by, e.g., microshit, works out to approximately u.s. minimum wage.	[13:42]
phf	i dunno, i think people sit on a lot of denial of service, but developing that to a working exploit takes time and unhealthy level of juvenile ocd.	[13:42]
asciilifeform	phf: perhaps my perspective is a little skewed because i do hardware.	[13:42]
BingoBoingo	Related http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-11056	[13:43]
assbot	Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKQ5Er )	[13:43]
mats	there is no systematic solution to be had	[13:44]
mats	just shrinking the attack surface a bit.	[13:44]
phf	i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.	[13:44]
asciilifeform	phf: this labour is traditionally contracted out, aha	[13:45]
asciilifeform	i know a fellow who used to work in one of those farms	[13:45]
asciilifeform	they didn't even 'clearance' the slaves, as this costs far too much and eats into the margins	[13:45]
asciilifeform	he was in his early 20s, iirc, and it was an upgrade from driving truck, so looked like a good job.	[13:46]
phf	hehehe	[13:46]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237194 << solution to what ?	[13:47]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 16:43:50; mats: there is no systematic solution to be had	[13:47]
mats	the problems phf speaks of, which I imagine are endemic vulns in software	[13:49]
asciilifeform	there is always the obvious solution.	[13:49]
mats	burn the thing to the ground, I know	[13:49]
phf	mats: there's a systematic solution to an entire class of problems. in the poor people world perl "solved" buffer overflows on string input by closing the abstraction leak, meanwhile introducing its own leaky abstraction, i.e. string injection attacks. the solution to that problem was known for 50 years now, specifically structured/validated data	[13:49]
asciilifeform	(burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)	[13:49]
asciilifeform	the ultimate systemic solution is 'fits-in-head'	[13:50]
mats	as I think more about it, there may yet be a software solution... will share later. asciilifeform will not like it - this involves, inevitably, a multitude of mitigations	[14:04]
asciilifeform	'mitigations' in which we can make plenty of (imaginary) money digging for holes in, aha	[14:05]
asciilifeform	good times.	[14:05]
phf	^	[14:05]
mats	this is the ship we got, and its underway. for those on it, the holes must be plugged; we cannot return to port and build anew	[14:06]
asciilifeform	mats: plenty of islands to take your chances on.	[14:07]
asciilifeform	sinking on the ship is - voluntary.	[14:07]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237091 << if you recall, this was my original (~6 mo. ago) suggestion for how to do development on therealbitcoin. but a number of folks (chiefly mircea_popescu) did not like it. for entirely logical reasons	[14:20]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 14:56:38; funkenstein_: perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this)	[14:20]
asciilifeform	then again, 99% of the time spent by folks who aren't me, thus far, appears to have been spent chasing various annoying little misconfigurations	[14:21]
asciilifeform	but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd.	[14:22]
phf	a deployment strategy in that case could be qemu-x86 -hda bitcoind.img -hdb /dev/blockchain_drive	[14:23]
asciilifeform	slow.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	this was to have been for ~development~ only.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	(compile would be 50x slower, yes. but only compile.)	[14:24]
phf	add OP_SIGVERIFY as an intel instruction :)	[14:24]
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asciilifeform	ew	[14:25]
phf	turdels all the way down	[14:25]
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asciilifeform	!up Belxjander	[15:31]
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asciilifeform	Belxjander: AmigaOS ?!	[15:31]
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mats	anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI	[15:36]
mats	this works better than suggesting folks write code in ocaml, erlang, haskell, etc...	[15:37]
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mats	and more reasonable than casting sailors to islands filled with savages	[15:37]
asciilifeform	holy fuck is mats telling us now that winblowz can be lived with ?	[15:39]
mats	i didn't say that. but _the cost of attack can still be substantially increased_	[15:40]
asciilifeform	the cost of dredging up an 0day from the infinite stash of stuxnetiana is still zero (for usg)	[15:40]
asciilifeform	regardless of whether folks run 'lint' or whatnot on their own shit.	[15:40]
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mats	we have fences nao. but, what if 萬里長城 can be had?	[15:41]
asciilifeform	l0	[15:42]
asciilifeform	l	[15:42]
mats	dunno man. maybe i'm lost in the matrix.	[15:42]
asciilifeform	did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' !	[15:42]
asciilifeform	why not maginot line!	[15:42]
mats	hey, i've maintained that its about increasing cost. not preventing the barbarians from entering.	[15:43]
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asciilifeform	mats: ever play 'underhanded c contest' ?	[15:45]
asciilifeform	(or at least read the medalists' entries)	[15:45]
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mats	yes, have read	[15:45]
asciilifeform	how many of these would be caught by, e.g., 'cyclone' ?	[15:45]
asciilifeform	or whatever your favourite c tool was	[15:45]
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mats	not many.	[15:47]
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asciilifeform	ergo 'mitigation' is medicine for a corpse.	[15:48]
asciilifeform	now, if some schmuck wants to pay you to administer medicine to a corpse, go ahead.	[15:48]
asciilifeform	but to advocate it as some kind of actual state of the art, is another thing.	[15:49]
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mats	well, sure. like a detective or a physician, folks attempting to write secure applications begin from a position of weakness. and rarely win.	[15:51]
asciilifeform	mortician.	[15:51]
mats	there are criminals to catch and people to save, regardless	[15:52]
asciilifeform	http://www.coindesk.com/itbit-adds-nsa-veteran-to-advisory-board << mega-l0l	[15:52]
assbot	ItBit Adds NSA Veteran to Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfuYxx )	[15:52]
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asciilifeform	mats: folks who begin from 'mitigation' position, cannot win by definition. they aren't even trying to. just to 'lose more slowly'	[15:53]
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asciilifeform	usg's most effective weapon is the learned helplessness of schmucks who accept 'being pwned is inevitable fact of life'	[15:54]
asciilifeform	see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774691 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774692	[15:55]
assbot	Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your will from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of your will changes everything and forever. With your own will s	[15:55]
assbot	Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: sheath, you have traded places with the pederasti - now you are sighted, and they are blind. Now you no longer struggle in the darkness with something foggy and omnipresent, which softly absorbs every blow - instead, you can now clearly make out a pathetic piece of shit, which has smeared itself over the most important part - the eyes - of a large and powerful man. You can now deal b	[15:55]
assbot	Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.)	[15:55]
phf	не верь не бойся не проси	[15:56]
asciilifeform	pocket-sized version of same.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	the poor english folks have not invented this technology yet. so gotta teach'em.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	slow, painful process, like teaching the water closet to india.	[15:57]
asciilifeform	it has to start out as an abstract 'don't shit in your drinking water'	[15:57]
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phf	mats: well, i actually meant the opposite. classes of attacks can be eliminated by not using c. i think that majority of the attacks come from leaky abstractions. there's no in c, but there's a null terminated memory region. there's no in perl, but there's a character array with sql text in it. one of the solutions is to plug abstraction holes on a level of the language, in such a way that you can't not use improved abstractions	[16:01]
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phf	e.g. sql_execute takes character arrays. if your sql_execute took ASTs instead, well, in that case you can't violate the assumptions of the abstraction	[16:02]
phf	traditional infosec solution to problems like that is a proactive bandaid and then yelling at people for not using bandaid appropriately	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	phf iirc this theory was variously tried and failed to deliver.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	it turns out that the sort of people who write good code write it in asm for a z80 or in c	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	and the rest can not be mechanically helped.	[16:03]
phf	in the sql example, it's sql_execute('select * from ' + sql_var_sanitize(variable)). naturally people keep forgetting the sql_var_sanitize	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	so the solution remains to plug the holes in the heads. either alf style, with bullets, or else wot style, or somehow unknown yet.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	but there's nothing "naturally" about stupidity.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	do people naturally forget to breathe ?	[16:04]
asciilifeform	and it isn't as if we don't have history to learn from.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/3gus46/did_anyone_take_mircea_popescus_offer_hed_need/ << reddit has circlejerk. somehow it fails to read "oh shit, if only we had any money then. or now" and isntead reads "oh how mp is bad mkay"	[16:05]
assbot	Did anyone take Mircea Popescu's offer? He'd need more than 25000 BTC to settle his bet now... : ethtrader ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfxx2J )	[16:05]
asciilifeform	i was playing with a hp200lx, it is orders of magnitude more responsive than 'iPnohe' etc. for note taking, text editing, spreadshits, etc	[16:06]
asciilifeform	and runs msdos, even. complete with xmm!	[16:06]
asciilifeform	pair of 'aa' cells runs it for a MONTH	[16:06]
asciilifeform	and doesn't crash.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	but i liked the part about "he abandoned twitter so is no longer reachable"	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the top google result for i will pay for your tits is still me.	[16:07]
ag3nt_zer0	good afternoon	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	ello	[16:07]
asciilifeform	'I sort of hope she crashed and burned on this one..'	[16:07]
asciilifeform	l0l, we all knew!	[16:08]
asciilifeform	hanbot you can turn off the android now	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	kids today. a myopic.	[16:08]
asciilifeform	we learned the seekrit.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	waitwut ?	[16:08]
asciilifeform	the 'mircea is a gurl' meme lives on, in that thread	[16:09]
ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: a while back we were having an exchange about tienanmen and it's relation (or non) to the fall of the wall... I have looked a bit in the direction you indicated but haven't found so much... you got any rcommended paths for that ?	[16:09]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: learn ru or mandarin	[16:09]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: srsly.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:09]
mats	tiananmen sq literally does not matter to anybody but english readers	[16:09]
phf	mircea_popescu: yeah, i've not reevaluated it since the last time i thought it, which was 2005 or so	[16:09]
asciilifeform	(if you are specifically interested in cn matters, mandarin. if you just want to unplug from the idiot anglo cultural matrix, ru.)	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	phf don't get me wrong, i'd love for it to work. i'd also love for the "not beating kids makes them smarter" and "all education should consist of is encouragement" nonsense to work.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	was fashionable (in russia, too) coupla decades ago.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	sadly...	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 you have to understand that this entire "market" thing is more of a DoS thing than a local thing. there isn't a substantial similarity between ukraina and china that makes both appear in the press you read as "so and so square".	[16:11]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: it matters to cn only in the sense that your body killing a particular bacterium you ate last night matters to you.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	the notion that people in china dislike their government to any degree is not unlike claiming that there's going to be a peasant revolt that'll shoot stalin', where stalin' = stalin - 99.9% of the killings.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	it's rank nonsense, they love it (perhaps for good reason) like you love washington.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	usg tried to 'orange revolution', failed. tries again every day since.	[16:12]
ag3nt_zer0	haha	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	but re the languages thing : both ru and cn have ~their own~ idiot matrices.	[16:14]
phf	mircea_popescu: my russian education was downright abusive by u.s. standards. or you're talking eton style mandatory beatings?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	so no : you can not be mechanically helped.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	cn, like ru, has plenty of experience (which arguably neither ever fully recovered from!) of being ruled by foreign yoke	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	phf no no, i dunno if you ever met these or not, but	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	right after the 90s these "englightened" folks started to pop up, usually looking just like steve jobs	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	with betterment ideas and whatnot.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	this communicate anything ?	[16:15]
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mircea_popescu	it was almost like a cult, of sorts.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	one of the fringes of "intellectual" throughout the period.	[16:16]
scoopbot_revived	Montreal Expo Postponed For Lack of Sponsors http://qntra.net/2015/08/montreal-expo-postponed-for-lack-of-sponsors/	[16:16]
phf	no, my school was ran by a strong georgian woman pretty much on her terms. 35A 35B starting classes were reduced to 12A 15B by 12th grade, through gentle "your kid is just not right for this place. i suggest you remove him, because it might get very HARD for him to study here very soon"	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools"	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	the societal consensus being at the time that "to the best worker belong the best tools"	[16:19]
*	asciilifeform was always envious of his elder brother, who did all ten grades in the proper school.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	this was a major thought cleavage, which i noticed at the time, and i noticed that people were actually visibly... peculiar about other things.	[16:19]
ag3nt_zer0	okay thanks for the byzantine feedback	[16:19]
*	asciilifeform did all but two grades in the land of mordor	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	but maybe just my anecdote	[16:19]
ag3nt_zer0	I wouldn't want it any other way	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	to my eyes what separates these is a major chasm.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237000 << how's this different from being affraid of being gay ?	[16:21]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 09:36:42; cazalla: guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	poor old guy, gets isolated because people are getting incredibly weirder, and then when he tries to break out that's grounds for further isolation ?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	roast a fuckjing rabbit take it over or something sane.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237014 << whiole that lasts.	[16:23]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 09:59:16; shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.	[16:23]
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asciilifeform	well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools" << now, if it were simply a matter of strength and weakness, one could argue that 'more folks could dig well with bulldozer than with spade'	[16:23]
asciilifeform	but it isn't	[16:23]
asciilifeform	it is really a matter of 'malicious twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade'	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe not that far, but certainly in between the two.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	illustration of overall direction.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	how about	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	'malignant twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade'	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	i can see that.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	bbs	[16:25]
ag3nt_zer0	on another note I was doing some reading on the history of astrology yesterday and came across the "fact" that originally, in mesopotamia, what became astrology began as a simple catalog of omens, reflected in "if this, then that" statements... this avenue was state-sponsered too... just got me thinking of the "evolution" of this logic and how these same statements are now applied to exclusively reductionist pragmatic mat	[16:26]
asciilifeform	for instance, when my brother was a uni student and took 'operating systems', they were stuck testing on actual 486 and reboot, reboot, 500 times a day with precious little meaningful output	[16:26]
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asciilifeform	when i was, decade later, we had proper emulator	[16:26]
asciilifeform	imagine, i thought, what an advance, you can finally emulate a proper pc on itself	[16:26]
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asciilifeform	what bug could survive	[16:26]
asciilifeform	but no such thing, of course, ever happened.	[16:26]
asciilifeform	instead emulator (and, more often, its optimized sibling, virtualizator) is used to host ten thousand instances of lolcat server on one poor intel box	[16:27]
phf	mircea_popescu: i see the parallels, yeah i was insulated from that sort of mentality, but i was also insulated from the stupid and the lazy	[16:27]
phf	the idea that "would do better job with better tools" applies very differently when you're dealing with people who are already operating at near capacity and would benefit from a better tool	[16:28]
asciilifeform	^	[16:28]
asciilifeform	my entire blog, all ~7+ years of it, is about this.	[16:28]
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jurov	https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11305478975/in/album-72157638544764936/ lol	[16:43]
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jurov	britishlibrary released zillions of pics	[16:44]
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mats	http://blog.exodusintel.com/2015/08/13/stagefright-mission-accomplished	[17:16]
assbot	Stagefright: Mission Accomplished? \| Exodus Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnLhqW )	[17:16]
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mats	if you're the guy pissing double digit share orders in the mpoe book, you suck	[17:20]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237379 << l0l!	[17:25]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 20:15:56; mats: http://blog.exodusintel.com/2015/08/13/stagefright-mission-accomplished	[17:25]
asciilifeform	'In summary, the Stagefright disclosure process was an interesting one to observe. The (un)surprising outcome being that given all the exposure this vulnerability received combined with essentially infinite resources on the vendor side, effective security mitigations were still not deployed.'	[17:25]
mats	project0 too busy chasing the sexy bugs	[17:26]
asciilifeform	'Despite our notification (and their confirmation), Google is still currently distributing the faulty patch to Android devices via OTA updates.'	[17:27]
asciilifeform	Run Moar Turdroid !	[17:27]
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asciilifeform	'For example, if a malicious MP4 is crafted with a chunk_size of 0x1ffffffff (notice this is larger than a 32-bit value) the faulty overflow check will be bypassed because chunk_size > SIZE_MAX. Next, chunk_size is added to size. If size is any value greater than 0, an integer overflow will occur. If, for instance, size is 1, the addition will result in a value of 0x200000000, which is larger than a 32-bit value. The following	[17:32]
asciilifeform	call to the new operator will truncate that value down to fit into a 32-bit integer, thus allocating an undersized buffer. Subsequently, chunk_size worth of data is read into this undersized buffer. Even if the value is truncated to 32-bits, the function will still read 0xFFFFFFFF bytes into the buffer, leading to a heap overflow...'	[17:32]
asciilifeform	aaaaand i'm still a loonie for calling for, among other things, a cpu with hardware bounds checking.	[17:32]
asciilifeform	y'know, like they had in 1978.	[17:32]
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asciilifeform	the less room for 'oops', the harder it is for scoundrels to masquerade as imbeciles.	[17:33]
asciilifeform	(mircea_popescu's eternal question re: why do we have imbeciles programming computers is a valid but separate question)	[17:33]
mats	race ya to the bottom.	[17:35]
*	trinque adjusts his tin foil hat	[17:37]
trinque	the amount of time it takes to "fix" things like this is... notable	[17:37]
trinque	stuxnet patch, same	[17:37]
asciilifeform	trinque: afaik, stuxnet ~still~ works	[17:37]
trinque	yeah, that's what I've read	[17:38]
asciilifeform	would be interesting to learn how it contacts the apparently-dead c&c boxes	[17:38]
asciilifeform	prolly reroute of traffic out of .ir at the backbone	[17:38]
asciilifeform	to 'magic' routes	[17:38]
trinque	interesting thought	[17:39]
asciilifeform	where the old hosts still resolve to something working	[17:39]
asciilifeform	(alternatively, vuln is kept alive for some nth-generation revised variant that never lost contact)	[17:39]
mats	i met a guy that took abacus classes and placed p high at competitions in junior high	[17:42]
mats	he did a buncha 3x5 (digit) calculations for me to prove he could do it, i was impressed	[17:42]
asciilifeform	nobody cancelled abacus.	[17:42]
asciilifeform	but a decent stage magician can do 3x5 mentally in a few sec.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	(digits)	[17:43]
mats	in his head, mind you: i spat out e.g. 253 * 35923 and it took him ~3s to give me an answer	[17:43]
asciilifeform	aha then	[17:43]
trinque	I'll take a machine for that	[17:43]
mats	wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering	[17:43]
asciilifeform	!s trachtenberg	[17:44]
assbot	4 results for 'trachtenberg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trachtenberg	[17:44]
asciilifeform	^ one source	[17:44]
mats	saved	[17:44]
trinque	alt-T py 253*35923	[17:45]
trinque	probably ~3sec	[17:45]
kakobrekla	hm when i was a kid a had a base2 wrist watch	[17:47]
kakobrekla	it wasnt long before pattern recognition kicked in	[17:47]
kakobrekla	and i wasnt doing any more math.	[17:48]
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trinque	yeah, I had a hex clock on my taskbar for a bit	[17:53]
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trinque	why? probably nothing more than social signaling... "omg s0 1337"	[17:54]
kakobrekla	to impress the gurlz!	[17:55]
trinque	lol, ey girl check out my leet hax	[17:56]
trinque	panties disintegrate	[17:56]
kakobrekla	mhm	[17:56]
*	asciilifeform invites somebody to try retesting a phuctored key, e.g., http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279	[18:05]
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asciilifeform	^ this change is unfortunately necessary.	[18:06]
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jurov	!mpif	[18:12]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021525 B (Total: 427.66 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]	[18:12]
jurov	!t m f.mpif	[18:12]
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mircea_popescu	ahh	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	overheard in #eulora : the middle road is shit	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	win.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	media cacorea.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237047 << purely formal approach to life. about at the level of intellectual maturity of pubers that scribble down their name + sexual interest's.	[21:26]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 14:02:03; asciilifeform: wtf is the point.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	it... DOES SOMETHING	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	if you draw hearts or explosions or w/e around it, even better/	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	obviously once rigurous education is abandoned, the whole of society reverts to a "tribe of monkeys" levels.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237054 << i thought you were a reverse engineering hacker, what scammery is is this!	[21:27]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 14:06:12; asciilifeform: i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with.	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237078 << "humans are not animals" is in the vein of "crickets are not bugs - they also sing."	[21:29]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 14:46:10; funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	there's an elided [just] in there, which the illiterately-literate have no idea about.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.	[21:33]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 15:41:57; asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237144 << this is so retarded. so if i'm in the business of selling 0 days i better hire anothr white man to keep a stable of enslaved african women to provide me with for the purpose of arbitraging this insanity ?	[21:34]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 15:56:51; asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	why is the usg so insistent in pushing its "private" agencies into forcing slavery on random people ?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up.	[21:36]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 16:25:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	we can even have a "usg affiliated entities pay 4x, people not in wot pay 2x."	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	can be cummulative.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237179 << i am broadly in agreement with him. last time i went to one there was a pr&modelling conference nearby and i ended up just hanging out with the gals.	[21:39]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 16:37:05; phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and pr	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	decade+ ago	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237196 << this is completely imaginary. the nsa can't hire enough talent to keep its own systems running safely. printing money does not help in any sense, if they got a 10x budget approved they't just pay the same people within maybe 5% ~8-9x more.	[21:41]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 16:44:22; phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237208 << this is homomorphic to "exclude everyone currently involved".	[21:43]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 16:49:27; asciilifeform: (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237221 << upside is massive but hard to quantify. upside is that we HAVE FOUND THE HOLES IN GCC! upside is that we know what to say about linux, and why we're saying it. upside is that we have rotor, and that we know why nobody without a rotor has a chance. upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you".	[21:45]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 17:21:57; asciilifeform: but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	just like the upside of picking sane girls to fuck isn't "that hot blondie" but "i fucked over a thousand women in my life, most of whose names i don't remember, and yet i never had a venereal disease". that's the upside.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237238 << it is particularly NOT possible to kill memory corruption in C.	[21:47]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 18:36:18; mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	there's all sorts of ways to make you feel better about it, tho.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	wanli changcheng omfg so THIS is how it feels when people use languages you don't know.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	sucks.	[21:49]
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mircea_popescu	think about it mats : if great wall "can't be had", if the statement is correct, there's something fundamentally wrong not merely with your fences, but with the idea of making one and more importantly with the process that results in this perceived need.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason people who only have sewer water don't take hot baths in it.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	if you can't have clean water, not only is it that you can't take a hot bath - it's that you couldn't conceivably want to.	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237249 << iirc, the idea wasn';t that it'll keep anyone out. it was that it'll keep the invaders IN long enough, especially if loaded with booty, to make the whole thing impracticable.	[21:53]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 18:42:04; asciilifeform: did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' !	[21:53]
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mircea_popescu	in the sense that yes they could come out of ANYWHERe, and make a hole anywhere, but then had to spend time to loot, and then had to come back AT THE HOLE, ie not anywhere. so either take time to make a new hole or go back to where the old one was. in either case, giving the imperial army enough time to plug their ass.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	or well... at least in times when the imperial administration was any good.	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	and omg where is everyone	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	are you partying without me ?	[22:05]
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shinohai	;;later tell mod6 gentoo was a sucess o/	[22:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:07]
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mats	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237505 << yes. you are the first white person i have encountered that knows this	[22:13]
assbot	Logged on 14-08-2015 00:53:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237249 << iirc, the idea wasn';t that it'll keep anyone out. it was that it'll keep the invaders IN long enough, especially if loaded with booty, to make the whole thing impracticable.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	well it's spreading now :p	[22:15]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237476 << unlike, e.g., bitcoin, coreboot is deadly easy to build	[22:16]
assbot	Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	actually resembles 'buildroot' and the grandfather, naturally - linux kernel	[22:16]
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asciilifeform	(complete with ncurses menuconfig)	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	this does not matter.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	just about everything there is to say about it would fit in a paragraph... let's see:	[22:17]
asciilifeform	1) their www has a list of boards known to work (and ones that don't, with brief statements of ~why~)	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	take the useful part out of the enemy's tendency to sit in front of things. there is actual value in the "do X, do Y, do Z, you're now done" list.	[22:18]
asciilifeform	2) the job of the thing is to init the box as quickly as possible and get the fuck out of the way	[22:18]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237275 << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea+asked+you+anything \|\| that thinbg where alf discusses the actual meaning of "who're you" which i can't now find.	[22:18]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2015 18:55:34; phf: не верь не бойся не проси	[22:18]
assbot	5 results for 'from:mircea asked you anything' - #bitcoin-assets search	[22:18]
asciilifeform	3) you can insert an arbitrary binary as payload. the most traditional payload is another item called 'seabios', which emulates typical pc bios and can even boot winblowz	[22:18]
asciilifeform	!s кто ты по жизни	[22:19]
assbot	0 results for 'кто ты по жизни' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE+%D1%82%D1%8B+%D0%BF%D0%BE+%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	odd huh	[22:19]
asciilifeform	aha!	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in other news - they've made a new extra dark chocolate icecream. i can't explain it.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	woah	[22:21]
*	asciilifeform wantz	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	goes especially well cherry cream.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	mm.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	re: earlier thread: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Motherboards_supported_in_coreboot	[22:22]
assbot	Supported Motherboards - coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3uZ14 )	[22:22]
asciilifeform	to this i will add that pretty much anything with an amd on it will run.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	and virtually nothing with an even moderately recent intel - will.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	and by 'run' i mean properly, honest-to-goodness run. with all the peripherals working.	[22:23]
asciilifeform	if you have a reasonably spacious (e.g., 8MB) eeprom, you can cram your favourite linux kernel right in there as payload	[22:24]
asciilifeform	and dispense with 'seabios' etc	[22:24]
asciilifeform	after that, a clever and patient man will take a pair of snippy-cutters	[22:24]
asciilifeform	and snip the write-enable leg off.	[22:24]
*	assbot gives voice to thestringpuller	[22:25]
asciilifeform	(don't leave it floating, pull the stump to the supply rail (it is typically active-low. consult data sheet!))	[22:25]
asciilifeform	if more patient still, wire it to a front-panel switch.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	not rocket surgery.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	http://www.thingaweak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/switches_closeup.jpg	[22:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J3vf04 )	[22:26]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237481 << this is more difficult than mircea_popescu might appreciate. for one thing, i do hardware, where merely the ~fact of~ a usable hole existing is half the secret - once you say, credibly, folks know precisely where to look; the other half of it is that i am in the wot neither of folks buying nor of folks brokering; and the third 'half' is that any attempt at this will hav	[22:29]
asciilifeform	e to wait for my physical jailbreak from usaschwitz..	[22:29]
assbot	Logged on 14-08-2015 00:36:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up.	[22:29]
gernika	FYI OpenBSD w/o db patch wedged at 367850	[22:30]
asciilifeform	mega-unsurprise	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	1 is readily surmountable by abstraction. i know how to do this. (you may think you are the first to meet the problem - you are not. scripts are sold in show biz all the time etc). 2. is readily solved, whether you like to or not, and 3 yes.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	gernika: precisely where it will sit, forever, until you patch it!	[22:31]
gernika	Patching...	[22:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'd be delighted to learn how 2 is solved. but the full story can wait for 3 if you like	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:32]
*	asciilifeform more than content to wait to learn how to fly a carpet until he actually gets the carpet.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what was the pdf to text tool ?	[22:34]
asciilifeform	'pdf2txt.py' on this box	[22:35]
asciilifeform	came with gentoo package 'pdfminer' iirc	[22:35]
asciilifeform	there may be others	[22:35]
asciilifeform	there is 'pdf2html' but it shits out a massive dir with html index and gif pages	[22:36]
asciilifeform	(rides on ghostscript. any box you run it on, you may as well use a traditional displayer)	[22:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ... upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you" << aha. precisely this.	[22:37]
asciilifeform	i try to explain this point to folks and nearly always fail	[22:37]
asciilifeform	'you walked, anybody can walk' 'fine. go and walk back. through the same minefield'	[22:38]
trinque	right, try getting someone to pay for all the bugs you didn't put in their software	[22:38]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237496 << not without turning your 'c' into a 'half-finished bug-ridden reimplementation of ada'	[22:39]
assbot	Logged on 14-08-2015 00:46:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237238 << it is particularly NOT possible to kill memory corruption in C.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	(see, e.g., 'cyclone')	[22:39]
asciilifeform	and not then, either.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	not even yeah	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	it really isn't what it's for.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	for massage only.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	the attempts of folks who tried to 'kill mem corruption in c' are a lulzmine of their own.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	that said, static allocation goes a long way. this connects to the "fixed time" discussion re rsa yest.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	specifically - the cheapest and most effective approach to security still is and remains "giving people an easier task". chief on the list of ways to achieve this,	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	stop asking them to do any sort of "optimization"./	[22:43]
asciilifeform	this saves you from leakage but not from corruption (you just trade heap overflow for stack if you fuckup!)	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	"this program takes as much memory torun at all as it totally employs". "this program takes as much time to run every time as it takes the longest time" etc.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	yes, no sort of hard solution by any means.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	but yes, when this is physically possible, it is done. in any safety-critical system	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	right.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	i'm also fond of cramming things in rom	[22:44]
asciilifeform	go overwrite, aha.	[22:45]
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asciilifeform	phun phakt: 'romcc' exists. http://www.h-online.com/open/features/About-ROMCC-and-V3-746827.html	[22:45]
assbot	About ROMCC and V3 - The H Open: News and Features ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7qPK3 )	[22:45]
asciilifeform	(thingie which lets you build a c proggy for, i shit thee not, ~stackless+heapless~ machine. as in 0 bytes of addressable ram)	[22:47]
asciilifeform	regs only.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	(naturally it is a bit of a constricted subset of the language)	[22:47]
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trinque	btw, my ex-gf had no trouble with the gentoo guide aside from asking me about the definitions of a few terms	[23:09]
trinque	n6: wherever you are, take note... following orders gets ya places	[23:10]
mod6	trinque: nice!	[23:10]
mod6	thank your ex-gf for me ;)	[23:10]
trinque	heh will do	[23:11]
trinque	and she says thanks for the guide	[23:11]
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mod6	cool. glad she tested it for us.	[23:11]
trinque	her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"	[23:11]
trinque	I told her that was exactly the right ordering of the two	[23:12]
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trinque	I am actually going to throw her at common lisp first and see what happens	[23:13]
trinque	watch her end up lapping me	[23:13]
mats	why not sicp	[23:13]
trinque	actually I misspoke, put The Little Schemer in her hands first	[23:14]
trinque	so you're right, scheme's a good choice	[23:14]
trinque	oh hey, this is cool https://xuanji.appspot.com/isicp/	[23:17]
assbot	Interactive SICP ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb0ej1 )	[23:17]
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trinque	http://sicp.shithouse.tv/	[23:26]
assbot	sicp ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb15Ak )	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	!up Asenath	[23:27]
-assbot-	You voiced Asenath for 30 minutes.	[23:27]
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mats	there doesn't appear to be anything actually interactive there	[23:28]
mod6	Well, unless you count submitting the answers to the exercises.	[23:29]
trinque	mats: https://xuanji.appspot.com/isicp/1-1-elements.html	[23:29]
assbot	iSICP 1.1 - The Elements of Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb1mTL )	[23:29]
mats	oh. i was expecting some kind of output	[23:29]
mod6	And it looks like you can take notes or something	[23:29]
trinque	the examples are editable	[23:29]
trinque	and you have to click outside the editor box, which is lame	[23:30]
mod6	Oh, i didn't notice you could actually edit the examples. neat.	[23:30]
mod6	oh i just deleted a ')', im screwed.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	lawl	[23:31]
trinque	mod6: here ya go )	[23:31]
mod6	thx trinque ;]	[23:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30805 @ 0.00062459 = 19.2405 BTC [-] {3}	[23:34]
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gernika	Does it take a while to get past 367850? Or might I still be stuck...	[23:34]
mod6	do you have the maxint_locks_corrected patch applied?	[23:36]
gernika	mod6 I applied asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch	[23:38]
gernika	and rebuilt, yes	[23:38]
mod6	ok, good deal. just let it do its thing.	[23:39]
mod6	if start to see repeating errors in debug.log let us know.	[23:39]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237609 << let me know if you discover either of these. i've always wanted.	[23:46]
assbot	Logged on 14-08-2015 02:11:19; trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"	[23:46]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237612 << if you think therealbitcoin without rotor is rough, you haven't tried common lisp without emacs+slime...	[23:47]
assbot	Logged on 14-08-2015 02:12:38; trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp first and see what happens	[23:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00063597 = 16.6624 BTC [+] {3}	[23:48]
asciilifeform	i suspect that 99% of folks who think they 'hate lisp!111!!111' were created by the harmful delusion that any meaningful work can be done without emacs+slime or the exact equivalent	[23:48]
asciilifeform	(asking folks to, e.g., match parens or indent by hand is ~retarded~)	[23:49]
asciilifeform	^ or to program in cl without a button that evaluates the current set of parens your cursor is in	[23:49]
asciilifeform	or 101 other essential knobs	[23:50]
asciilifeform	yes, ancestors did not have these. they also lacked water closet.	[23:50]
trinque	asciilifeform: told her as much, lol! right question! sadly, only horribly approximate answers	[23:50]
trinque	I've walked her through setting up both emacs and slime	[23:51]
trinque	she's rather sharp, taking to it well	[23:51]
asciilifeform	in other news, filipinos hard at wurk! >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gutfp/if_youre_not_running_a_node_youre_not_really/	[23:52]
assbot	"If you're not running a node, you're not really using Bitcoin." u/luke-jr : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb3nPT )	[23:52]
asciilifeform	'I admit there is value in running a node/mining, but certainly a community that claims to favor freedom should have the ability (and courage) to welcome a diverse range of users, even if they don't meet some arbitrary standard set by an elitist insider.'	[23:52]
asciilifeform	i can't wait for one of these tards to accidentally publish his madlibs template	[23:52]
asciilifeform	like those comment sp4mz0rz on mircea_popescu's site	[23:53]
trinque	tyranny!	[23:53]
trinque	o mai gad	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	onoes, happenings happen ?	[23:53]
asciilifeform	'...redefining "bitcoin user" so that less than 1% of bitcoin holders are anointed as 'Real Users'. Enough already. It smells like tyranny, it looks like tyranny - it IS tyranny. And Bitcoin, more than any other community, should overthrow these flawed attempts at governance. Where a minority holds the rest hostage.'	[23:53]
asciilifeform	pure gold	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	"Remember, bitcoin works through consensus by code. Not consensus by CODERS."	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	except no, it doesn't. but anyway.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	wtf does "consensus by code" even mean.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	wrong question. what does a screen full of static snow 'mean' ?	[23:55]
asciilifeform	shannonizers don't create meaning	[23:55]
asciilifeform	but lulz, yes, create.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	like watching clouds.	[23:55]
trinque	reduces to "I matter" and I suppose any living thing making a sound is also saying that	[23:56]
asciilifeform	i am reading this to the tune of billions of living things each saying 'i matter i matter chirp i matter'	[23:56]
trinque	haha	[23:57]
asciilifeform	!s brekekekekex	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	well... the thing ius, crickets and frogs and whatnot, which do EXACTLY this, do it to reproduce, and succeed in reproducing.	[23:57]
*	assbot removes voice from Asenath	[23:57]
assbot	0 results for 'brekekekekex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brekekekekex	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	i dunno redditard fucks as a result.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	insect will chirp just so when in a killing jar.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	ergo reddit.	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00063451 = 9.6128 BTC [-] {3}	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2216 @ 0.00063406 = 1.4051 BTC [-]	[23:59]

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