Forum logs for 12 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu Conservatives oppose abortion but are okay with war and capital punishment. (So am I - I think everyone in the capital deserves to be punished) [00:01]
mircea_popescu better watch out alf, he's coming for you. [00:01]
* asciilifeform already in pretty good punishment just by living here [00:02]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ? << heheh. i might have gotten a bite or two. i paid them back ~10x iirc. [00:02]
nubbins` nah i don't crochet [00:02]
nubbins` i think that was a lens flare [00:02]
mod6 where i live these things are not just a nuisance like in .ar, but ubiquitous [00:03]
asciilifeform almost thick enough to walk on, here. [00:05]
mod6 heheheh [00:06]
mod6 'tis one of the reasons i enjoyed camping in the west so much, back east the mosquitoes try to carry you away. [00:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform install filtyers, make diesel ? [00:08]
mircea_popescu "More specifically, nobody wants a meritocracy based on actual accomplishment. What both camps really want is a meritocracy of values, that is, an aristocracy in which position is dictated by attitude and conduct." [00:08]
mircea_popescu heh. usians don't want to work no more. news at 99:99 [00:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for all i know, my tank is full of precisely mosquito petrol even now. [00:09]
mircea_popescu "hola nos quedamos sin trabajo mi esposo y yo y busco ayuda economica a cambio de sex para asi poder ahorrar algo y poner un negocio soy ama de casa no modelo ni profecional en esto soy bajita 36 años" [00:12]
mircea_popescu definitely a new one. [00:12]
asciilifeform ^ brendafdez ? [00:12]
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mircea_popescu (housewife wants money to get sex change operation to earn money to start a business) [00:12]
mircea_popescu nah [00:12]
asciilifeform mega-inv3stm3nt. [00:13]
mircea_popescu this has got to be some sort of very specialised praying on aging usian expats. [00:15]
mircea_popescu it makes no sense outside of "a collection of fetishes liable to drive a 60 yo protestant dude with money" [00:15]
asciilifeform oughtn't it be in the king's inglisch then ? [00:15]
mircea_popescu maybe that's a giveaway [00:16]
scoopbot_revived The Trump Train is heading for the White House. Maybe. [00:17]
asciilifeform 'You eat food you didn't grow and in many cases have no idea where it came from or what it looks like in nature. You rely on elaborate machines to get you places, but have no idea how they work. If your car stops, you have no idea what went wrong or what to do to fix it. In many cases, there is nothing you personally can do. To travel long distances you get into a big flying tube that leaves you completely at the mercy of othe [00:20]
asciilifeform r people. Your illnesses are treated by people who speak a language you don't understand and who give you little nondescript pills containing who knows what? Everything in your house connects to outlets in the wall that supply electricity created by processes you don't understand. You are reading this on a device that might as well be populated by fairies for all you know. And when something pops up saying you have a virus or [00:20]
asciilifeform the FBI has caught you downloading illegal material, you don't have a clue what to do. ... ... Most Americans are like that, kept alive and prosperous only through the exertions of people more productive, inventive and generous than they are. The productive view them not so much as loathsome insects, as puppies who will eventually go to the pound if they pee on the rug too often.' [00:20]
asciilifeform (dutch) [00:20]
mircea_popescu in this vein : went to pharmacy here, told pharmacist what i want, he went and fetched. cox-2 inhibitor, no prescription needed becasuse the criteria in argentina is "do you speak the language ? if not, get someone who does to write what you need down for you" [00:21]
mircea_popescu but i happen to speak that language. [00:22]
asciilifeform iirc banned by usg [00:23]
asciilifeform who still makes them ? [00:24]
asciilifeform (india?) [00:24]
mircea_popescu msotly banned because the idiots prescribed them like they prescribe anything, "forever", and they don't work forever. [00:25]
mircea_popescu but still unparalleled for extemporaneous intervention. [00:25]
asciilifeform how will pharma execs snort coke from golden toilets if prescribing were not forever, aha [00:26]
mircea_popescu and this was produced by merck. for "export", ie, "to be sold in sane countries" [00:26]
asciilifeform how will predatory castes of lawyers, 'social workerz', etc. eat [00:26]
mircea_popescu 30 bux, 28 pills. [00:26]
asciilifeform spiffy [00:26]
mircea_popescu for their effectual purpose, good for a decade or more. [00:27]
asciilifeform like most pharma [00:27]
mircea_popescu meanwhile usians with the same sort of problem get substandard care in the shape of cox-1&2 inhibitors in massive dossage. [00:27]
asciilifeform (the exceptions are few and generally well-documented) [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7894 @ 0.00060669 = 4.7892 BTC [+] {3} [00:30]
mircea_popescu (if anyone is curious - yes the pharmacist tested me. he asked "what dosage ?" and i said uh... 100... maybe 50, no, not really. 80 ? turns out he had 60, 90 and 120. because 50 is not really quite enough and 100 is maybe a little too much, but if those are the options go for 100 [00:30]
mircea_popescu and once i knew that, he had no further questions) [00:30]
asciilifeform what of classical dopes, of the 'down' or 'up' kinds, either [00:31]
asciilifeform also sold for the asking ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu not usually carried. [00:31]
mircea_popescu they're petrified of "insecuridad" these folks. like they live with the vikings or something. [00:32]
asciilifeform l0l [00:32]
mircea_popescu you'l lhave to get it at a major hospital. [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45750 @ 0.00060783 = 27.8082 BTC [+] {6} [00:32]
* asciilifeform once visited a shop, not far from home, which sold gigantic safes. most of the pre-owned units were from pharmacies, and some had catalogues of the contents still glued to inside of door [00:33]
mircea_popescu safe, like fighter jet , is not the whole story. [00:33]
asciilifeform naturally. [00:33]
mircea_popescu and the people who actually have the whole story do not reaslly employ safes [00:33]
mircea_popescu or at least a story on my blog tends to support this theory. [00:34]
asciilifeform the safes existed to begin with on account of usg fiat [00:34]
asciilifeform (the drugs are cheap and their theft is no serious loss to the shop) [00:34]
asciilifeform story? [00:34]
mircea_popescu you recall, the whores. [00:34]
* asciilifeform thinks [00:34]
asciilifeform which whores [00:34]
mircea_popescu there. [00:35]
assbot Spargatorii si curva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:35]
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asciilifeform 'One of the juicier scientific scandals of recent times involves Dutch psychologist Diederik Stapel, who admitted to fabricating many of his research results. A full list of Stapel's falsified articles hasn't been published, but the titles of some of his articles (some of which may not be tainted) offer insights. The article that outed him was "Coping with Chaos: How Disordered Contexts Promote Stereotyping and Discrimination. [00:44]
asciilifeform " ... ... Lots of emphasis on stereotyping, how we construct reality, and so on. Nothing that challenges the basic assumptions of social scientists at all. And that's really how he got away with it. He reported what his colleagues expected to see. ... There are probably tons of articles in the scientific literature based on faked data, and undetected because the results were uncontroversial. There are many more where data were [00:44]
asciilifeform filtered or fudged but which remain undetected because the end results were correct. Still more contain honest errors that went undetected because the overall results were valid or the error was peripheral to the main point of the paper.' [00:44]
mircea_popescu where "uncontroversial" = fit the political agenda [00:50]
asciilifeform aha [00:50]
asciilifeform how else. [00:50]
mircea_popescu like "global warming" flavour of "uncontroversial". like lysenko "uncontroversial" [00:50]
mircea_popescu like psychological school of moscow "uncontroversial". asshats. [00:50]
asciilifeform (there is also the 'impenetrably obscure' flavour of 'uncontroversy') [00:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2362 @ 0.00061586 = 1.4547 BTC [+] [00:52]
mircea_popescu anwyay, lest we be too harsh on the social pseudoscientists that gotta eat, [00:53]
mircea_popescu one must remember the fabled charge of the electorn measurements. [00:53]
mircea_popescu people are just assholes, is all. [00:53]
asciilifeform that's kinda the one i think of automatically [00:53]
mircea_popescu myeah. [00:53]
asciilifeform and incidentally just about every serious field has own millikan [00:53]
asciilifeform or three [00:53]
asciilifeform almost a pons asinorum for basic literacy in $subject - 'name the millikans.' [00:54]
asciilifeform (one can debate whether it is proper to speak of a millikan in a subject without experimentals, like mathematics. but overall anybody who fogs brains with his auctoritas while even in the grave, is a millikan) [00:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00060574 = 21.9581 BTC [-] [01:36]
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mircea_popescu thew problem is of course not mr m. [02:35]
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scoopbot_revived Microsoft Issues Third Generation Anti-Stuxnet Patch [02:50]
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punkman [03:27]
assbot Twenty Four Hours in Ramallah ... ( ) [03:27]
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punkman "Irwin Lipkin, 77, agreed he owes the government a Rolex watch, a well-known painting by Red Skelton and $170 billion cash on Monday, and was sentenced to six months in jail Wednesday" [03:52]
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punkman (Bernie Madoff employee) [03:53]
punkman "Lipkin also agreed to give up a vacation home in Delray Beach, Florida as part of his plea deal, but he was allowed to keep another home in New Jersey, his stamp collection and another Red Skelton painting." [03:53]
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cazalla *yawn* just how do you enforce a judgement on a degenerate like garza? [05:03]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2015 20:56:02; shinohai: Ouch >>> [05:03]
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shinohai Pray he comes back from Dubai and politely pays you in full cazalla ? Like Krapeles [05:11]
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punkman "GAW Miners failed to pay for months of electrical provision as well as infrastructure installation. The utility initially sought $346,647.29 plus interest and court fees." [05:28]
fluffypony that's a loooot of money [05:28]
punkman I wonder if any miners are doing this systematically [05:29]
cazalla <<< nigga, we wuz pharaohs and shit [05:30]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2015 21:47:42; mircea_popescu: how exactly did some us black guy get his "we" to include i presume egyptians, which weren't black while he wasn't in africa, is anyone's guess. [05:30]
punkman mine as long as utility company doesn't cut power, make new account, start over [05:30]
assbot ... ( ) [05:30]
cazalla <<< sorta mirrors the growth in the blockchain size [05:33]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2015 21:34:56; trinque: [05:33]
punkman [05:42]
assbot Mexican Oil and Drug Cartels: Cocaine & Crude (Full Length) - YouTube ... ( ) [05:42]
shinohai [05:42]
assbot ~44% of Bitcoin mining hash power is currently voting to support 8 MB blocks. : Bitcoin ... ( ) [05:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00060984 = 22.1067 BTC [+] {2} [05:49]
cazalla looking at tassie property.. come across all but abandoned laboratory in the middle of nowhere in the middle of tasmania, maybe perfect for asciilifeform types? [06:00]
BingoBoingo [06:01]
assbot ... ( ) [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00062135 = 15.0367 BTC [+] [06:05]
shinohai ROFL BingoBoingo [06:08]
punkman went to the bakery, was thinking about buying a donut, then a cockroach looked at me through the donut hole [06:13]
shinohai nope.exe [06:16]
punkman I've never seen such a thing before [06:16]
shinohai Because I'm too lazy to go out this morning, bagels and coffee at home. [06:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00060163 = 4.061 BTC [-] {2} [06:19]
shinohai vermin free. [06:19]
punkman girl infected me with some kind of cold, been sweating at random intervals since last night, but no fever. [06:21]
cazalla i would think just about every bakery has some cockies punkman [06:21]
punkman cazalla: yeah but not where you can see them [06:21]
shinohai funded by teh guv [06:32]
assbot Identifies Illegal Activity on Blockchains, Willing to Work With Law Enforcement - ... ( ) [06:32]
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shinohai Russia being obtuse again. [07:00]
cazalla "More than 285,000 people have backed an online petition on, an international website that hosts campaigns, calling on President Vladimir Putin to revoke the decision and hand the food to people in need. " this shit is recurring recently, i come across it even in the local rag [07:09]
shinohai I see as simply an outlet for the masses to feel as if they are inspiring social change. [07:12]
fluffypony the people have spoken! [07:13]
fluffypony it's just that nobody is listening [07:13]
shinohai Oh well, be the change and all. [07:23]
* assbot gives voice to williamdunne [07:29]
williamdunne bank has notarized + apostilled documents certifying GPG key owned by me. bank uses GPG. bank requires documents to be signed in front of a notary and apostilled and won't accept GPG signatures. wao. fiat word sux [07:30]
williamdunne The whole apostille thing is fuckheaded as well [07:30]
* williamdunne is bitter [07:31]
punkman how do they use GPG then? [07:33]
shinohai Do they have someone writing out keys on bankslips? [07:42]
fluffypony stamps [07:42]
fluffypony they're the way of the future [07:42]
fluffypony obviously can't be faked [07:42]
shinohai lets just all go back to wax seals and signet rings. [07:43]
williamdunne punkman: you can send and receive encrypted and signed emails to and from your relationship manager. [07:43]
williamdunne shinohai: corporate stamps are still a thing [07:44]
shinohai well that's something at least. [07:44]
shinohai Oh I know. I had an array of stamps in one of my former jobs. [07:44]
williamdunne Recently I had the pleasure of having a legalized translation done [07:44]
williamdunne 62 pages translated to RO [07:44]
williamdunne Then three copies had to be done [07:45]
williamdunne In both English and Romanian [07:45]
williamdunne One for the translator, one for the notary, and one for me [07:45]
williamdunne Then each page had to be stamped and signed [07:45]
williamdunne And then the final page had to have seven (yes seven) stamps [07:45]
williamdunne Of course, this process had to be completed on each copy.. [07:45]
shinohai guvment efficiency. Notarize with deedbot or something. [07:46]
williamdunne [07:46]
assbot ... ( ) [07:46]
williamdunne And then there is the lulz with South Africa too. "We need proof of address for the company" [07:47]
williamdunne "It's a new company" [07:47]
williamdunne "You need proof of address, like a utility bill or bank statement to open an account in the company name" [07:47]
williamdunne UNless I can sort out proof of address somehow, the process is: [07:48]
williamdunne Open account with another bank, that will literally send someone to the building to check it is where we say we are [07:48]
williamdunne Use a bank statement with the other bank, to open account with the bank who wants to work with us [07:48]
williamdunne 50 shades of derp [07:48]
punkman sounds like you might be doing it wrong [07:50]
shinohai When in Rome, you gotta do as the Romans do I guess. [07:50]
shinohai Gotta give williamdunne props for navigating it all tho. You make jeffery smith look like an amateur [07:52]
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kakobrekla < That's Secondmarket/DCG/Barry Silbert's company. [08:52]
kakobrekla Guess who else they invested in? Shapeshift. [08:52]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 02:10:46; assbot: wants to unmask Bitcoin transactions and has raised $1 million in funding. : Bitcoin ... ( ) [08:52]
kakobrekla which is voorhees iirc [08:52]
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shinohai ShapeShit [08:59]
kakobrekla nice logo. [08:59]
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Adlai also voorhees [09:14]
assbot evoorhees comments on [bitcoin-dev] Significant losses by double-spending unconfirmed transactions ... ( ) [09:14]
williamdunne Eh, shapeshift seems pretty well executed from a customer perspective [09:15]
williamdunne If you're gonna be into crapcoins, might as well do it on a simple platform like shapeshift [09:16]
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shinohai [09:24]
assbot I ran Bitcoin Core for >3 years, and I turned it off today ... ( ) [09:24]
shinohai hilarious. Whining about censorship when theymos censored nothing. [09:24]
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Adlai bwah, /buffer 33 [09:56]
Adlai oops [09:56]
Adlai at least it's not a brainwallet [09:56]
kakobrekla or is it [10:03]
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asciilifeform << mega-lulzy how microshit drags it onwards for ~years~ on more-or-less undeniable orders from of nsa [10:13]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 05:50:26; scoopbot_revived: Microsoft Issues Third Generation Anti-Stuxnet Patch [10:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060163 = 5.2943 BTC [-] [10:15]
asciilifeform << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards [10:15]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 08:59:59; cazalla: looking at tassie property.. come across all but abandoned laboratory in the middle of nowhere in the middle of tasmania, maybe perfect for asciilifeform types? [10:15]
mircea_popescu lmao murdoch [10:19]
asciilifeform not to mention the fact that au is a kind of proving ground for fresh usg idiocies, with simplified bureaucracy, desaparecido without so much as a squeak [10:20]
mircea_popescu fluffypony if it's half and half 350k over 4 months means [10:21]
mircea_popescu something like half a mw, give or take. [10:21]
mircea_popescu not entirely inconceivable. and if you take the other half and pretend materials are free and you get billed for construction work at 50 an hour, that's about six weeks worth of a 12 man team's work. [10:23]
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mircea_popescu also not inconceivable. [10:23]
mircea_popescu ~44% of Bitcoin mining hash power is currently voting to support 8 MB blocks. << jesus fuck look at these idiots, didn't skip a beat [10:25]
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mircea_popescu "85% voted to implement a trivial change that was both needed and uncontroversial. they didn't implement it and bitcoin forked. lesson learned! 44% "vote" to implement a change that mp said he will attack. WHATCOULDGOWRONG!111" [10:25]
asciilifeform why would they skip a beat [10:25]
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mircea_popescu right. [10:26]
asciilifeform hearn put on 'oppressed by cruel censors' suit, is now a darling of 'the masses' etc [10:26]
mircea_popescu eh what masses. [10:26]
asciilifeform the fecal masses, what other. [10:26]
asciilifeform mobilize the bolus! (tm) (r) (uncle al) [10:27]
mircea_popescu punkman sounds like some horrible african ebola. who's she been seeing ? [10:27]
mircea_popescu I see as simply an outlet for the masses to feel as if they are inspiring social change. << well mostly it's an obama thing. guy made his own reddit, somewhat more dysfunctional. [10:28]
mircea_popescu The whole apostille thing is fuckheaded as well << yeah srsly. [10:29]
mircea_popescu punkman: you can send and receive encrypted and signed emails to and from your relationship manager. << who keeps all of them plaintext in his internet-connected excel. [10:30]
shinohai kek [10:30]
punkman ^ aha [10:30]
punkman also, there are worse things than having to apostille a document [10:30]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: I, mr government official, confirm that mrs notary, did in fact agree that the documents were correct that he brought on the day. She said so and she signed it. [10:30]
williamdunne punkman: Legalization, I know [10:30]
williamdunne I had to do that as well [10:30]
mircea_popescu williamdunne> 50 shades of derp << they have the same nonsense here. /me had cute notary clerk over for biscuits, problem solved. [10:31]
williamdunne yeah, mine came over to my house as well to deal with all the paperwork because she gave me some other pricks passport. [10:32]
mircea_popescu williamdunne people wanna matter. whenever a vote comes to whether they wanna matter more or less, they vote they wanna matter more. meanwhile they keep mattering less. what's one to do. [10:34]
mircea_popescu give them some silly putty to play with. [10:34]
mircea_popescu "The business model associated with the service is noble and honorable, as the company wants to eliminate any criminal activity associated with virtual currencies." [10:35]
mircea_popescu eh gtfo [10:35]
mircea_popescu "noble and honorable" since when is this part of the discourse. [10:35]
mircea_popescu hire more native speakers, yo. [10:35]
asciilifeform << earlier [10:35]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 02:12:41; asciilifeform: how long has it been since sc4mz0rz quit doing the most elementary homework to see if other, larger and better-connected sc4mz0rz are pulling the same scam already ? [10:35]
williamdunne I'd happily give them some silly putty, but I'd rather not be forced to waste my own time and resources for something that should be easy like opening a bank account. Bitcoin has spoiled me. [10:35]
asciilifeform they're stuck competing (for usg trough) with noblis et al [10:35]
williamdunne Haven't you heard? Criminal activity is immoral by default [10:36]
asciilifeform and yes, their ad copy smells of india [10:37]
williamdunne If they outlaw breathing, you should not break the social contract by fighting for life [10:37]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is not a drawback. [10:38]
mircea_popescu most scamzors live their entire life replicating what actually successful people do. [10:38]
asciilifeform and stone age islanders spend entire lives replicating what airplane makers do, aha [10:39]
asciilifeform just slightly differently [10:39]
punkman "if nobody else is doing it, there's no money in this scam" [10:39]
mircea_popescu for that matter, looky here. when i was younger, we had this constant problem where kids watched who knows what on the (recently available) tv and decided they're gonna be MOBSTERERS!!11 LIEK IRL!! [10:40]
mircea_popescu then you had the practical choice of either killing a bunch of 16 yos or complete disorder [10:40]
mircea_popescu (which was generally resolved by beating the shit out of them in group - apparently teenaged boys benefit from the shared experience). [10:40]
asciilifeform sorta how it was handled in ru at the time, aha [10:41]
mircea_popescu well what the fuck you gonna do, decimate the teens ? [10:41]
mircea_popescu not that people weren't tempted, especially after a fucking while. [10:41]
asciilifeform they were born to feed cannons [10:42]
mircea_popescu nothing better illustrates the fundamentally maggoty quality of the human race than being in the position of, approximately speaking, a highschool disciplinarian. [10:42]
williamdunne Never understood the usage of gang-beatings to show strength. I can understand it to create fear.. but strength [10:42]
mircea_popescu williamdunne what's your theory of homosexual rape in prison ? what drives it ? [10:43]
williamdunne Domination [10:43]
mircea_popescu so there you go. what fucking "strength". [10:43]
williamdunne I'd disagree that a gang-beating is particularly dominating [10:44]
asciilifeform incidentally, by all accounts even the vikings had 'lowering into pederasty' precisely like ru prison [10:44]
asciilifeform cross-cultural institution [10:44]
mircea_popescu ever been beaten ? [10:44]
asciilifeform there are folks who were never beaten? not even a bit ? [10:45]
williamdunne No, only ever done hte beating [10:45]
williamdunne So far [10:45]
mircea_popescu and you disagree it works ?! [10:45]
mircea_popescu you must've been doing it wrong. [10:45]
williamdunne Sure, but I was always on the smaller/equal side [10:45]
mircea_popescu ... [10:45]
williamdunne I've never given a gang beating [10:45]
mircea_popescu i don't follow ? [10:46]
mircea_popescu well so then on what grounds do you disagree of anything there lol. [10:46]
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williamdunne Purely in my head, I'm not certain I'd fear any individual in a group of 8 that beat me [10:46]
mircea_popescu obviouisly an amicable bout between friends & equals is a great community building tool. [10:46]
mircea_popescu no argument. [10:46]
punkman asciilifeform: there are folks who were never beaten? not even a bit ? << lots of em [10:47]
williamdunne For example, when one person tried to get a few to jump me, they were forced to keep a fairly large distance between themselves and I [10:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "i've never been punched! black and white are the same color! a yellow apple on a yellow cab!" [10:47]
asciilifeform l0lwat [10:47]
mircea_popescu ;;google "i've never been punched! black and white are the same color! a yellow apple on a yellow cab!" [10:47]
gribble SNL Transcripts: Daniel Radcliffe: 01/14/12: You Can Do Anything!: ; Color of the Week: Spring Blossom Yellow - Houzz: ; SocketSite™ | San Francisco's Yellow Cab Cooperative Could Be ...: (1 more message) [10:47]
mircea_popescu williamdunne we're not talking of the same thing. [10:48]
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mircea_popescu and to close on a musical note, [10:52]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: What are we talking of? [10:52]
mircea_popescu ;;google don't take your guns to town [10:52]
gribble JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Don't Take Your Guns To Town - A-Z Lyrics: ; Don't Take Your Guns to Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Johnny Cash "Don't Take Your Guns to Town" - YouTube: [10:52]
mircea_popescu williamdunne i don't expect this is something that can be verbally communicated, and jesus fuck have i wasted some time if that's actually not so. but perhaps it'll be easier to understand when you take yourself out of there. [10:53]
mircea_popescu ever heard of rotherham ? [10:53]
williamdunne Only the town [10:54]
mircea_popescu so in that town, there once were a bunch of girlies, which for whatever reason grew up with the impression that they're not plainly wrapped fuckmeat for some dudes. [10:54]
mircea_popescu and actualised this delusion by bitching at who knows what. [10:55]
mircea_popescu next thing you know, one's doused in gasoline begging for no lights and the other's staring at text messages in her cellphone about her sister and so forth. [10:55]
mircea_popescu so they DO change their mind, and go take their place in the line of plainly wrapped, bipedal fuckmeat. [10:55]
mircea_popescu it, apparently, for them, worked just fine. [10:55]
mircea_popescu ever read about all that ? [10:56]
williamdunne Not in any detail, I'll have a look [10:56]
mircea_popescu now, sure, maybe you personally are different from a few thousand pubescent girlies. [10:56]
mircea_popescu but the one time you'll know this, apparently hasn't come yet. [10:56]
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williamdunne Did it work fine for them? [10:58]
mircea_popescu seems so. [10:58]
williamdunne From what I can see they may contend that point [10:59]
mircea_popescu howssat ? [11:00]
williamdunne Well the only references I'm seeing to it are describing it as a traumatic experience. While traumatic can be a force for good I can't see anything suggesting it did her any particular favours [11:01]
mircea_popescu you gotta be kidding me. [11:02]
mircea_popescu how about the references where they withdrew complaints / ran off from the da the day of testimony / etc ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu how about the references where hundreds of people were involved in raping thousands of preteens for a decade + and all the ridiculous queen's got are five convictions for less than five years a head ? [11:03]
mircea_popescu those dudes are going to be out before next year's out, they probably just wanted a break. [11:03]
williamdunne That sounds more like it went well for the one pouring the gas, than her [11:03]
mircea_popescu uhm. [11:04]
mircea_popescu don't impose your values on others mkay ? [11:04]
mircea_popescu wen't great for her, she's rapemeat, she loves it, ask her! [11:04]
mircea_popescu da couldn't get her to say otherwise, after all. [11:04]
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asciilifeform the pakis are there on deliberate authority of the local affiliate of usg. [11:07]
asciilifeform they are doing their job. [11:07]
asciilifeform which is, yes, cultural massage. [11:08]
asciilifeform yi yi zhi yi. [11:08]
mircea_popescu so no, people aren't these magical snowflakes made out of independent thought and closely held principle. that view is chiefly an economical surplus phenomena, people tend to form that view if they live for too long unchallenged. otherwise, people are lazy and small. some smaller than lazy, some lazier than small. but by and large not worth the mention. [11:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun buy it. [11:08]
mircea_popescu the pakis are there because between fifty of them they have more balls than the collected population of britons. [11:09]
asciilifeform the last part is not in dispute [11:09]
asciilifeform but they were shipped in for a reason. [11:09]
mircea_popescu the part you propose is not necessary. [11:09]
mircea_popescu yes, for the reason that shipping's cheap now. [11:09]
asciilifeform they are also not collecting rapemeat in the financial district of london; or in oxbridge [11:10]
asciilifeform or any other Places That Matter (tm) [11:10]
mircea_popescu and no, the us didn't make shipping cheap, china did (srsly - look at what they did to that market if you wanna get scared). [11:10]
mircea_popescu and yes, china would be the main beneficiary of getting rid of all these northern barbarians. [11:10]
mircea_popescu so if you want to have a superpower, use china. the us is neither a superpower not really invovled. [11:11]
asciilifeform the way 'yi yi zhi yi' works is that a usg fiefdom controls its lower classes, which might otherwise have some vitality left, by importing orcs [11:11]
mircea_popescu actually rotherham is not that badly off. kinda why i used it to derail our amiable friend. [11:11]
asciilifeform 'not badly off' != globalelite [11:11]
mircea_popescu globalelite = patriarchy = cis scum = jew bankers = illuminati = omfg spare me. [11:12]
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asciilifeform 'the folks whose daughters are exempt from paki' are as good an approximation as any [11:13]
mircea_popescu no folks daughters are so exempt except the paki's. [11:13]
mircea_popescu btw, northern barbarians = the pakis. china's been pushing populations west since forever, and is continuing to do so. not intentionally, mind you. [11:13]
mircea_popescu it just is so fucking big it causes gravity waves. when it weakens, the northern barbarians move east and you have european "peace". [11:14]
mircea_popescu when it strengthens back, the barbarians run off west, and yo uhave "end of empires". [11:14]
mircea_popescu why did rome succeed "holding the barbarians at bay" for a millenium and then collapsed in two centuries ? look at what was going on in china during. [11:14]
mircea_popescu globalisation's older than dirt. [11:14]
asciilifeform obligatory: [11:14]
assbot ClubOrlov: Meet the Chechens ... ( ) [11:15]
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asciilifeform 'And the only reason they succeeded in doing so is because we were total shit. We are still shit, but not quite so liquid, and in that shit there are some steel particles.' [11:15]
mircea_popescu and the steel particles are gonna stick with the shit ? lol, kay. [11:17]
mircea_popescu i moreover envision a situation where whatever steel's left, if there is, bands together and the shit gets buried. [11:17]
mircea_popescu make a shovel already, i've had it. [11:17]
asciilifeform << shovel [11:19]
assbot ... ( ) [11:19]
mircea_popescu maybe. [11:20]
asciilifeform << source. famous [11:20]
assbot How to make a AK-47 from a shovel? - ... ( ) [11:20]
asciilifeform (and no, not the barrel. what did you think.) [11:21]
mircea_popescu On the Russian side, it was invariably the mommy who came, and nagged her son: “You shouldn't fight! Fighting is bad!” On the Chechen side it was invariably the father who came. He slapped his son upside the head and told him: “How dare you lose a fight to a stinking Russian—the son of an alcoholic and a prostitute? Tomorrow you thrash him so hard that he pisses himself from fear any time he sees you!” [11:21]
mircea_popescu heh. [11:21]
mircea_popescu drunk and whore, what "prostitute". [11:21]
mircea_popescu for one thing, a whore's not prost [poorly] situated. [11:22]
asciilifeform bad translat [11:22]
mircea_popescu no, translation by a... putin russian. [11:23]
mircea_popescu how do you call that little barrel in which you keep sour cream ? putinica in romanian. [11:23]
shinohai [11:25]
shinohai ^ how did i miss that? [11:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what kind would you prefer? a white guard officer ? [11:26]
asciilifeform (vs 'putin russian') [11:26]
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mircea_popescu honestly, i would prefer a chechen. [11:26]
mircea_popescu but it is not really my place to prefer. [11:27]
asciilifeform hey they speak ru. ask'em [11:27]
asciilifeform (sorta how english is spoken in india, but yes, they speak) [11:27]
mircea_popescu fuck em, what ask. [11:27]
mircea_popescu looky, verbal-ness is drastically overrated this morning. [11:28]
mircea_popescu there's no way i can explain to williamdunne what he asks and there's nothing i have to ~say~ to chechens. [11:28]
asciilifeform spartan speaks with sword, aha [11:28]
* asciilifeform groks this, but also does not know of how to explain in printed word to folks who don't [11:29]
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asciilifeform linked essay imho illustrates that 'chechens or local equivalent' are a necessary part of a balanced diet [11:30]
asciilifeform even and especially for folks who like civilization [11:31]
mircea_popescu right. [11:31]
asciilifeform this is a point that gets lost, somehow. [11:31]
mircea_popescu "When I showed up, there were fifteen of them waiting for me, all grown men. I thought that they would simply kill me." [11:31]
mircea_popescu lmaop fucking idiot. who figures this, seriously. [11:31]
mircea_popescu oh, wait, this is a boy huh. myeah. kay. [11:31]
asciilifeform aha [11:31]
mircea_popescu problem is, armies don't actually work for this purpose. [11:32]
mircea_popescu << this, for instance, is a mistake., [11:33]
assbot ... ( ) [11:33]
mircea_popescu not "shooting civillians". not "cowardly bombing". [11:33]
mircea_popescu you wanna win one of these wars, simply ship your guys over. by fucking bus. [11:33]
asciilifeform the only mistake i see in that photo is that the pit ain't full [11:33]
mircea_popescu the mistake is that the standing guy sought to protect himself. [11:33]
asciilifeform militarily speaking [11:33]
asciilifeform well it also [11:33]
asciilifeform but i assumed this was a victory shot [11:34]
mircea_popescu "victory". [11:34]
asciilifeform aha. [11:34]
mircea_popescu where's that discussion of busses [11:34]
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assbot Logged on 16-07-2014 23:42:34; mircea_popescu: if teh muricans really just wanted "something that shoots and a bus ticker there", i'd have been really worried about the afghanistani. [11:34]
asciilifeform ^ here [11:34]
mircea_popescu right ty. [11:34]
mircea_popescu so, yeah. do that, last fucking time you ever have to "fight" the "terrorists". [11:35]
asciilifeform incidentally what happened was precisely this [11:35]
asciilifeform trains full of volunteers from all over ru [11:35]
mircea_popescu so is it pacified ? [11:35]
asciilifeform not all the 'brightest bulbs', mind you. there were some comical incidents of the train stopping and local police confiscating (yes) weapons [11:35]
mircea_popescu and they didn't hang tyhe "local police" by the lamp posts ? [11:36]
asciilifeform as i said, not brightest bulbs [11:36]
mircea_popescu myeah. [11:36]
asciilifeform re: 'pacified?' - my understanding is that it is somewhat like a leaking pipe tied over with gauze [11:36]
asciilifeform will hold, for how long? [11:37]
mircea_popescu you know, teaching a woman that she's supposed to neglect the functioning of her head so she can focus on... the kitchen, i guess, as the puritans can't quite make the cunt point, is criminal. [11:37]
mircea_popescu but teaching a boy that he should somehow cleave his intelligence from his activity is just as fucking criminal. [11:37]
mircea_popescu you're not smart to live a long time, you're smart to live well. length don't enter into it. [11:37]
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phf that orlov quote is questionable, with the same message as his other writing, i.e. "orks are cooler then you" where you is a u.s. office worker. i grew up in intelligentsia family and when i started getting into fights i was sent to sambo. i also saw fights involving chechen boys, including "деревня на деревню" kind, and in none of those were russian boys holding back. what is this [11:38]
mircea_popescu phf this is rt-blog. [11:38]
asciilifeform phf: orlov is obsessed with the subject of 'noble orcs', where it is gypsy, or eskimo, or whoever hasn't invented water closet yet [11:39]
phf mircea_popescu: oh that's the idea about him, i guess that makes sense [11:39]
mircea_popescu that's my idea about him at any rate. [11:40]
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asciilifeform he is also obsessed with characteristic flavour of '90s ru decay, and is convinced that he is observing it in usa [11:40]
mircea_popescu dunno that it's all that widely accepted. [11:40]
asciilifeform the latter point isn't even so far off [11:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is that the us never having been a nation, it can't possibly fail like one. [11:40]
mircea_popescu leaving aside resurgence. [11:41]
asciilifeform can fail like india [11:41]
mircea_popescu already is. [11:41]
asciilifeform aha. [11:41]
mircea_popescu but hey, orlov doesn't know about india. he got a hammer an' he's a builder. [11:41]
mircea_popescu he's gonna build you a wood-and-nails ethernet card! [11:41]
asciilifeform with square sails. [11:41]
mircea_popescu ahaha [11:42]
mircea_popescu beahahahahaa why the fuck is that so funny omg [11:42]
mircea_popescu *air* [11:42]
* asciilifeform bbl [11:42]
mircea_popescu "Another time, in school, a group of Chechens stormed into a classroom in the middle of a class, selected the three most attractive girls, and dragged them away with them. Later we found out that the girls were presented as birthday presents to a local Chechen criminal authority." [11:47]
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mircea_popescu i think he's mixing the pots, too. this story's from serbia. [11:47]
mircea_popescu and the "criminal authority" has a name. also ran a hotel, which also had a name. etc. [11:48]
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phf "my brother's brother heard it from the guy WHO WAS THERE" "man, i wish i could just steal girls from classrooms like a brave chechen, because i sure as hell can't talk to them" [11:52]
mircea_popescu irk? [11:53]
phf my interpretation of the piece. [11:54]
mircea_popescu i know, right ? [11:54]
phf oh right right [11:54]
mircea_popescu i'm not an authority on subcaucasian tribal customs, but my guess would be that such deeds would be a face wound for the poor guy in question incompatible with any sort of continued authority. [11:55]
mircea_popescu at the very least he'll be henceforth known as abdulbek the schoolteacher or something. [11:56]
phf heheh [11:56]
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mircea_popescu (the funniest thing about chechens is that they actually use the given name bula. [11:58]
mircea_popescu bula is, in romanian, the protagonist of all jokes.) [11:59]
punkman "Totos" in greek [12:00]
phf why classroom though? how was selection process working with everyone running all over the place? did they had to dump one or two, because upon closer examination they were kind of meh? [12:00]
mircea_popescu phf ever seen salo ? [12:00]
mircea_popescu "una si bella fanciula... nessun' ne se h'a accorso..." [12:00]
mircea_popescu punkman does it mean anything ? [12:00]
punkman nope [12:00]
phf oh, lined them up, checked teeth and vulvas [12:02]
mircea_popescu and then never facefucked any of them. [12:02]
mircea_popescu (anyway, one girl, the only one that is overtly flirting with the men, is rejected for the obscure reason that she had a bad 1st molar. the procureress protests (in italian) that such a pretty girlie! nobody even noticed! [12:04]
mircea_popescu the real dynamic there is that the dudes are so fucking scared of actual womanhood they desperately seek, and for their sins find, an escape path. [12:04]
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phf oh i thought it's a control fantasy, a bureaucrat who imagines himself a sultan will necessarily act a bureaucrat in that role [12:07]
mircea_popescu i do not believe so. [12:07]
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mircea_popescu for one thing, if it were bureaucracy driven, wouldn't you expect the girl be shot ? the woman dismissed ? some sort of "repercussions" ? "consequences" and whatnot ? [12:10]
mircea_popescu a record made of the incident at the very list! what sort of bureaucracy is this. [12:11]
phf well, the fantasy is a from the perspective of the bureaucrat himself, so he doesn't necessarily sees the bigger picture like a monarch would, he just does the inspection. record would be required though [12:13]
mircea_popescu i don't disagree with the point at all, i just don't think that's what happened there. [12:14]
phf right, i've not seen it in a while, so i'm definitely misremembering [12:14]
* mircea_popescu remembers the early hopeful days of the chechen republic whatever it was called and that mustacioed fellow whose name, inescapably, came to "joker" [12:17]
phf dudayev? [12:19]
mircea_popescu aha [12:20]
mircea_popescu duda something at any rate. [12:20]
mircea_popescu yeah. Dzhokhar Musayevich Dudayev check that out [12:21]
phf apparently means "doubt" in spanish, so "doubtson" [12:21]
mircea_popescu it also means elderberry in romanian. [12:23]
kakobrekla duda < baby pacifier here [12:26]
phf duda is a form of bagpipes, though not used in russian much, there's still "dudet'", which is to make a bagpipe sound. someone could work that into him being a blowhard somehow [12:27]
phf i started reading orlov with his piece about "everyone should get russian passport and move syberia to survive orks and global warming", i thought that maybe he was one of those slightly misguided older russian expats, so i sent him an email in russian with the general idea of, what about existing power structures there, it's not like moving to alaska, there's not going to be a shortage of local generals interested in hunting out of shape expats [12:30]
phf for fun. later i did some research and realized that he's some kind of u.s. aparatchik who spent his 90s in russia [12:30]
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mircea_popescu lol wut, srsly ? [12:31]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is "Everyone" going to do in siberia, upvote the snow ? [12:32]
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phf well, by then, there's not going to be snow, because moderate climate areas are going to be mad max hell holes, where's your siberian mcmansion is only going to appreciate in value [12:33]
mircea_popescu yeah, universal literacy totally was a good idea, i see it now. [12:34]
mats [12:35]
assbot Jacob Torrey - Towards a new model of computational expressiveness ... ( ) [12:35]
mircea_popescu "A Crypto Trick That Makes Software Nearly Impossible to Reverse" [12:37]
* mircea_popescu is not particularly impressed with this recently discovered pop-crypto celeb. srsly, this is it, people stopped giving a shit about "music" so mpaa may die, but there's going to be a naa creating "crypto popstars" instead ? [12:37]
* mircea_popescu is further unimpressed with "Since joining the cult of LangSec, I've spent a great deal of time pondering" intros. [12:38]
mircea_popescu my chair has spent a great deal of time pondering my ass. [12:38]
phf (there's a 90s russian commedy, дмб, about a bunch of hapless army conscripts. at some point they are supposed to provide entertainment for generals, in some total buttfuck nowhere location. one of the activities is pig hunting, they release a pig, and the general goes after it. so of course the pig gets eaten by one of the hungry conscripts, and he has to pretend to be a pig running through fields. i can't help but think about orlov's boomer [12:39]
phf s setting up base somewhere in that location) [12:39]
mircea_popescu "The divergence between the theoretical Turing machines and the machines designed to emulate has grown significantly; most of the "work" modern computers (including mobile devices, etc.) perform is not computation oriented as it was with a Turing machine. Today networking, graphics/audio and interaction with the physical world (SCADA, wearables, etc.) have become the key features that the industry is working on improvi [12:39]
mircea_popescu ng, not the emulation gap between modern CPUs and a theoretical Turing machine." [12:39]
mircea_popescu whjat the fuck is this. please explain it to me. [12:39]
mircea_popescu not computational oriented ? [12:39]
m4rCsi mariorz mats MCM-Mike Michail1 midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mitzip mius mixdio MobGod_ mod6 moneycat Mrstickball mthreat muruc [12:41]
mircea_popescu current computer science favours the speed of light over other speeds "much more important to "us"". it is a serious fucking problem for usg/nsa/alphabetsoup that there still exist people who even vaguely understand what this shit even is, because even one in a million that can make actual decisions based on actual facts when that asshole asciilifeform publishes things about pgp keys or that asshole mircea_popescu thre [12:42]
mircea_popescu atens "bitcoin improvement" prgrammes is way too much. [12:42]
mircea_popescu heck, given the shape they're in, one in a billion may be excessive. [12:42]
mircea_popescu now my question to you, mats, becomes : what's this to you ? does the apparent novelty catch your eye ? or wut ? [12:43]
phf this must be a puton, his twitter says "Described by @wireheadlance as the Anthony Bourdain of InfoSec" [12:44]
mats i get the sense that he's on to something but lacks the ability to clearly describe it [12:44]
mircea_popescu now this may be. [12:44]
mats like he's attempting to improve upon the 'chomsky hierarchy' [12:45]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is anthony bourdain [12:45]
mircea_popescu and omfg the x of y enough already god damned pigdinheads [12:45]
mircea_popescu mats there's certainly a difference between brainfuck and c++ programs that's driven by difference between actual brainfuck and c++. what exactly it is, tho... [12:45]
mircea_popescu "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities. [12:47]
mircea_popescu THEY WERE NOT EVEN NAKED! [12:47]
mircea_popescu see phf, men are deeply afraid of women. especially the men that never killed anyone for the simple aesthetic pleasure of taking a life. [12:47]
mircea_popescu s/orlov/orwell/ heh [12:52]
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phf that's kind of an obvious point to a nerd boy, i thought the solution always was "stop being such a little shit", not "let's change everyone around me so i finally don't feel inadequate" [13:03]
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phf (the pig scene, for the curious [13:08]
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jurov siberia is good for hiding, i guess... not in mcmansion, tho [13:11]
jurov novosibirsk is on same latitude than denmark.. just that swings between -40 +40C in the year [13:13]
jurov *temperature [13:13]
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phf the heat in novosibirsk like in all russian cities is provided through pipes in a form of a compressed steam and hot water from a ТЭЦ. (a major difference between eastern europe and the states). if ТЭЦ fails, novosibirsk turns into a ice coffin, on account of all the concrete box construction. that actually happened in the past for short periods of time (like a week or two) and it's usually a major humanitarian disaster. we don't even know [13:31]
phf precisely how many people died in remote locations like that during the 90s as a result of rapid transition from central planning economy to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine". that info might never surface [13:31]
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mircea_popescu ^ [13:40]
mircea_popescu siberia is to be approached sanely, which is to say, dressed in furs you tanned yourself, with trained dogs and women that are provedly able to live like this. [13:40]
mircea_popescu if you can't field this you don't belong there. [13:41]
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ascii_field 'Jacob Torrey – Cyber-security Philosopher and Boffin' << to the furnace [13:41]
ascii_field plz. [13:41]
jurov no need for furs... just get some 10mm polystyrene from china [13:42]
mircea_popescu it doesn't grow on trees. [13:42]
jurov trade for oil, praps? [13:42]
ascii_field << recent trend in u.s. academitardia, [13:42]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 15:36:52; mircea_popescu: "A Crypto Trick That Makes Software Nearly Impossible to Reverse" [13:42]
ascii_field !s homomorphic [13:42]
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ascii_field ^ them [13:42]
mircea_popescu how about you go live in china, then, if your plan is to put your life on a foundation of trade with china ? [13:42]
ascii_field pseudomathematical claptrap. [13:42]
jurov 100mm i mean [13:42]
mircea_popescu ascii_field "trick" "recent" blabla. [13:42]
jurov gotta trade with somebody [13:42]
ascii_field 'learn the trick reverse engineers hate!!11' [13:43]
mircea_popescu jurov if "gotta trade with somebody" is your premise, go to new york, and be a jew. [13:43]
ascii_field << orwell [13:44]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 15:46:48; mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities. [13:44]
ascii_field it was orwell. [13:44]
jurov but what i wanted to say... our block got just 70mm insulation and whole damn thing heats itself by used electricity and body heat alone, i have cold radiator at -20 outside [13:44]
ascii_field ok its in the logz [13:44]
mircea_popescu ah yeah. that stuff works. [13:45]
ascii_field << orlov devoted a whole chapter to this, for english readers [13:45]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 16:31:25; phf: precisely how many people died in remote locations like that during the 90s as a result of rapid transition from central planning economy to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine". that info might never surface [13:45]
mircea_popescu romania got covered in them too. [13:45]
mircea_popescu of course... once they age they'll be the best cockroach house any cockroach could dream for. [13:46]
mircea_popescu but let's not talk of "20 years later". not on the internet, of all places. [13:46]
jurov heh yes, will be funny to see how good is the "lifetime warranty" for [13:46]
jurov but whole blocks are mostly in half of their 70y projected lifetime [13:47]
mircea_popescu better'd be to see who hanged for the fact that prefab production wasn't transitioned to "sandwiched prefab with styofoam". in like, 1992. [13:47]
jurov what? whole prefab concrete thing stopped by 1992 [13:49]
mircea_popescu right. [13:49]
jurov and yes, it took another 10y for insulation to start seriously [13:52]
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phf jurov: theoretical potential is not the problem. what i'm saying is that there's existing "flora and fauna" that you're going to run into pretty fast. local деревенские "people from the village", police, military divisions that for all practical purposes own the locations principality style and don't need to "trade" in order to get guns, cars and supplies. for some reason that sort of fantasies don't usually go "let's build a dream su [13:55]
phf rvivalist spot in Tamaulipas" [13:55]
jurov ofc, not for everyone [13:56]
* mircea_popescu has actually visited tamaulipas. [13:57]
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ascii_field in all fairness, orlov never advocated 'let's all you plankton move to x and colonize' [13:58]
mircea_popescu the only places plankton can colonize are the uk, france, etc. [13:59]
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jurov i heard some stories that brasilia is okay [14:03]
jurov too [14:03]
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ascii_field for plankton, anywhere is ok until... not [14:06]
mircea_popescu but fungus only grows on corpses. [14:08]
mircea_popescu it is true that spores go everywhere, yes. [14:08]
mats Torrey's research is actually interesting, if you'd take the time to read it instead of the Wired write up... [14:09]
ascii_field mats: obligatory: [14:10]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different. [14:10]
* mircea_popescu has dutifully read what mats linked. [14:10]
ascii_field [14:11]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle. [14:11]
punkman jurov: how does that insulation work out in the summer btw? [14:11]
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jurov it heats up slower... but also slower to cool down [14:12]
mircea_popescu James Burnham's theory has been much discussed, but few people have yet considered its ideological implications–that is, the kind of world-view, the kind of beliefs, and the social structure that would probably prevail in a state which was at once UNCONQUERABLE and in a permanent state of 'cold war' with its neighbors. [14:15]
mircea_popescu i don't think orwell is properly credited with the invention of this term ? [14:15]
mircea_popescu didn't churchill in fact use it latert than 1945 ? [14:15]
mircea_popescu [14:17]
assbot Bernard Baruch coins the term “Cold War” - Apr 16, 1947 - ... ( ) [14:17]
mircea_popescu list of things to never trust : [14:17]
mircea_popescu 1. the consensus of the people ; 2. the internet ; 3. the consensus of people on the internet. [14:17]
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ascii_field iirc orwell - cold war. [14:17]
ascii_field and not some schmuck. [14:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google who coined the term "cold war" [14:18]
gribble Bernard Baruch coins the term “Cold War” - Apr 16, 1947 - HISTORY ...: ; Cold War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cold war (general term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [14:18]
mircea_popescu "philantropist and financier" [14:19]
mircea_popescu as if this is how it works nao. [14:19]
mircea_popescu Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to put an end to large- [14:20]
mircea_popescu scale wars at the cost of prolonging indefinitely a 'peace that is no peace'. [14:20]
ascii_field !s you and the atomic bomb [14:20]
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ascii_field ^ many threadz [14:20]
mircea_popescu aha [14:20]
mats << you may be right. regardless, 'HARES' is pretty cool. [14:27]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle. [14:27]
mats << white paper for interested folks. only available in pdf, unfortunately [14:28]
ascii_field 'cool' in precisely the same sense as the bomb collars [14:28]
assbot ... ( ) [14:28]
ascii_field on ~other people~ strictly. [14:28]
mircea_popescu my perception of "secured computing", for what it's worth (perhaps not much) is that it's very much akin to clothing. sure, it "protects the body". yet one generally wishes for the sort of house that allows, and that's populated by the sort of women that don't particularly need that protection. [14:31]
mircea_popescu that munroe character makes the same point with schoolchildren, schoolmasters and condoms, but i have no taste for it. [14:32]
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mircea_popescu so : yes, great, for outside. not the chief point of computing in any sense. [14:32]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the 'homomorphic' shit is strictly for 'secure against owner' [14:33]
mircea_popescu "I think it is worth recording what some of them cost, just to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest them in something that grows.I think it is worth recording what some of them cost, just to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest them in something that grows. [...] Between them, in nine years, those seven rose bushes will have given what would add up to a hundred or a hundred and fif [14:33]
mircea_popescu ty months of bloom" << epic. in the same article he complains about someone complaining about roses being bourgeois. [14:33]
mircea_popescu guy's fuckin' delicious already [14:33]
mircea_popescu ascii_field looky, there's some value into getting better control of the "owners" of zombie computers. [14:34]
* mircea_popescu is kind of sick paying "datacenters" for hosting, i'd much rather pay "criminals". [14:34]
* ascii_field not following how this relates [14:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you don't imagine the stuff won't be hacked, right ? [14:35]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: which 'stuff' [14:35]
mircea_popescu let the good people of jwz nation run "secure" "homowhatever" computers. [14:35]
mircea_popescu so i can run trilema off of them and there's nothing they can do about it. [14:36]
ascii_field the (largely lysenkoine and fraudulent, but bear with me) promise of 'homomorphic' is that you can, ostensibly, make a circuit where determining function is similar to breaking rsa [14:36]
mircea_popescu aha. [14:37]
ascii_field trivial example being paillier's algo [14:37]
mircea_popescu in your mind this means "i won't be able to tell if nsa is running X on my computer". in my mind, this means "nsa won't be able to tell if i'm running trilema off obama's computer". [14:37]
mircea_popescu technology has no particular social value. [14:37]
ascii_field except nsa ~can~ [14:38]
mircea_popescu or so it ~thinks~. [14:38]
ascii_field on account of the whole thing being a 'weak keys' crock of shit [14:38]
mircea_popescu ideally. [14:38]
ascii_field like (potentially) aes. [14:38]
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mircea_popescu these things never work the way one hopes they will. [14:38]
mircea_popescu but yes, you're broadly correct in suspecting that past this general, "managerial" intuition i lack any actual idea of how it'd work out in practice. [14:39]
mircea_popescu so it can directly be dismissed if one's inclined to dismiss on such grounds. [14:40]
ascii_field anyway this would be more interesting if 'homomorphic crypto' weren't a sc4m [14:41]
ascii_field (see also, for similar lulz, 'whitebox cryptography') [14:41]
mircea_popescu :) [14:44]
assbot White Box Cryptography | Software Monetization Solutions | SafeNet ... ( ) [14:44]
mircea_popescu anyway, icesomething or the other is making a pretty penny out of obfuscating and bytecoding php [14:44]
mircea_popescu or was, at some point [14:44]
ascii_field understand the (claimed!) difference [14:45]
ascii_field protocol vs promise (tm) [14:45]
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mircea_popescu "Fourthly, the tea should be strong. For a pot holding a quart, if you are going to fill it nearly to the brim, six heaped teaspoons would be about right." [14:50]
mircea_popescu holy shit, the brits actually ate tea stu ?! [14:50]
mats pronto> << 'A steganography PoC demonstrating encoding via transmission delays' [14:52]
assbot Uberroot/tsteg-poc · GitHub ... ( ) [14:52]
mats pronto's a fella on freenode. [14:53]
mats (poor copy+paste on my part) [14:53]
mircea_popescu one of the best places for stego i can think of. [14:54]
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mats in the parlance, 'HARES' is not so much as a 'crypter' than a 'packer'. [15:57]
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ascii_field mats: i read the paper. it's a crock of shit. why does this fella assume that no one can run his process under cycle-accurate emulation ? [16:00]
ascii_field plenty of talk of 'protecting the key: erase from caches' etc [16:00]
mats ask him. or i can do so on your behalf. he's on freenode [16:00]
mats 'sirnarwhal' [16:01]
ascii_field i'm not mpoe-pr and don't engage with sc4mz0rz recreationally [16:01]
ascii_field but i do earn a living demolishing idiocy quite like what was described, yes. [16:01]
ascii_field (not publicly, because - why?) [16:02]
mats do you have a link to a paper to what was mentioned here ? having a hard time with the googles [16:03]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 02:18:54; asciilifeform: mats: iirc inria had a cycle-and-cache-accurate x86 emulator. might be up your alley. [16:03]
ascii_field it wasn't a paper, but a downloadable source thing [16:03]
ascii_field << wasn't inria. go figure [16:03]
assbot Marss86 ... ( ) [16:03]
ascii_field but ^ [16:03]
mats ok [16:03]
* ascii_field has not tried personally [16:03]
ascii_field the gold standard for this kind of work is instrumented hardware [16:04]
ascii_field but this costs. [16:04]
ascii_field << not a bad way to transmit ephemeral (session) keys [16:06]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 17:54:13; mircea_popescu: one of the best places for stego i can think of. [16:06]
mats ascii_field: he asserts that 'massr86' uses a VMM, which would be detected [16:13]
ascii_field not according to the docs [16:14]
ascii_field claims proper (100% userland) emu [16:14]
ascii_field sorta like the uniquitous qemu [16:14]
ascii_field but i have not tried it. no need. [16:14]
mats guy's not a scammer as far as i can tell, and you do a disservice to folks (and yourself) by coming to judgment so quickly [16:15]
ascii_field seems like he's already told one lie [16:15]
ascii_field according to the docs, thing is built on qemu. with none of the 'accelarator' crud that used kernel mods. [16:17]
ascii_field ergo, no vmm. [16:17]
ascii_field but, again, this is a cheapo 90% solution for poor folks. [16:17]
mats wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake [16:19]
ascii_field (typically malware folks try to detect emulators by looking for well-known imperfections - if operator is an idiot, these will be found - or for external time base, which can set off a trap if machine appears to be uncommonly slow by wall clock time.) [16:19]
ascii_field but all of this is well-known. [16:19]
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ascii_field the thing about the 'hares' fella is that he is a textbook case of 'but terrorists wouldn't DO that!!111' [16:22]
ascii_field as in, [16:23]
assbot Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:27; asciilifeform: one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives! [16:23]
assbot Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me. [16:23]
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punkman ascii_field: but they do run windows [16:26]
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ascii_field punkman: the goat-fucking ones - sure [16:26]
punkman ascii_field, someone has to pick the low hanging fruit, no? [16:27]
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trinque punkman: why pick anything but? [16:29]
mats i'm rapidly tiring of being a relay, but: he says that intel's 'trusted execution technology' wouldn't work with marss86, and you'd also have to have the key to provision marss [16:29]
ascii_field aha so relies on fritz chip. [16:29]
punkman works on AMD as well right? [16:30]
ascii_field which there is no mention of in the paper. [16:30]
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mats so there's no attack here. [16:30]
punkman he does acknowledge both instrumented hardware and emulation as problems [16:31]
assbot Jacob Torrey - HARES FAQ ... ( ) [16:31]
ascii_field boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip (and yes, i will keep calling it that, because the motherfuckers don't get to pretend that fritz, palladium, etc. never happened.) [16:33]
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ascii_field generally, folks who are obsessed with 'someone may steal my magic algo!!111!!!!' ship the whole shebang on fpga with config in sram, backed with watch battery; [16:36]
ascii_field and this is often gnarly and expensive to reverse, because it's on fpga, yes, and might need 500 units to destroy [16:36]
ascii_field but the saving grace is that in 100% of such cases, the 'intellectual propertyyyyy!111!' holder is a twerp, and cheaper to give one of his employees a candy bar [16:36]
ascii_field see also [16:38]
assbot Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:21; mircea_popescu: here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints. [16:38]
mats << s4.3.3 [16:38]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 19:30:01; ascii_field: which there is no mention of in the paper. [16:38]
ascii_field ty mats, found it [16:39]
ascii_field aha, then relies 100% on fritz chip. [16:39]
ascii_field i never understood how anyone could ever be so gullible as to believe that 'remote attestation chip' could be a thing [16:40]
punkman [16:41]
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ascii_field let's say it sits on the bus and refuses to decrypt magic blob unless it thinks hash(ram) == H [16:41]
mats he is quite clear about what it can and can't do, no dishonesty as far as i can tell [16:41]
ascii_field what's to keep me from sitting it down on one bus where ram hashes to H, then it spits key, and i sit it back down on another. [16:41]
ascii_field every other clock cycle if i want. [16:41]
ascii_field the best scam is the kind where the scammitude is implicit [16:44]
ascii_field and baked into an orchestra of 'no one could have foreseen's [16:44]
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ascii_field and 't3rror1sts would never do!!! x'-es [16:44]
ascii_field incidentally, the only reason fritz chip was not pushed more aggressively is that it was really intended to prohibit linux [16:45]
ascii_field but the latter succumbed to its own weight [16:46]
ascii_field and so the bullet was deemed unnecessary [16:46]
ascii_field fwiw, i always thought the idea of a copyprotection dongle that tries to take over the whole machine was quite lulzy. [16:47]
ascii_field i mean, it's one thing to consider a whole computer in a safe which sets off built-in nuke if anyone so much as scratches the door [16:49]
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ascii_field it's quite another to propose that this can be a little pc peripheral turd that i can get 10,000 of and somehow still not crack [16:50]
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jurov not that i complain.. needed some fiat :D [17:52]
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mircea_popescu wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake <<< it's a very interesting point as to how do you establish this ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu not even necessary in the case at hand, but as a general rule. [18:10]
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ascii_field see also >> [18:11]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog" [18:11]
mircea_popescu i'm rapidly tiring of being a relay << why's the guy not come over anyway ? well... i guess the answer's actually obvious huh. nm. [18:11]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it's still an interesting problem, even if not necessarily of practical consequence. [18:12]
mircea_popescu sort-of like the interesting problem of "detecting emulator" [18:12]
ascii_field sure is. [18:12]
mircea_popescu it can readily be shown riguroulsy that this is impossible iun the general case [18:12]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... [18:12]
mircea_popescu a good steak is also impossible i nthe general case. [18:12]
ascii_field kinda one of the reasons wot is a thing [18:12]
ascii_field for answers to questions that don't have rigorous answers, but must be answered. [18:13]
mircea_popescu myeah. [18:13]
ascii_field !gettrust sirnarwhal [18:15]
assbot ascii_field and sirnarwhal are not registered in WoT. [18:15]
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ascii_field aaand we answered it. [18:15]
mircea_popescu boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip << the reason they don't call it that is because they are trying to avoid the literature documenting the costs of making it hard and the limitation its softness imposes. [18:15]
ascii_field see log, also, for why the approach where the whole computer is not inside the fritz is laughable on its face [18:16]
ascii_field (regardless of what the fritz is made of) [18:16]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field incidentally, it's funny to consider the relations between "remote attestation" and hock or w/e the thing was called [18:18]
mircea_popescu urbit ? [18:18]
ascii_field no direct relation afaik [18:18]
ascii_field mr mold doesn't do hardware [18:19]
ascii_field (i asked him) [18:19]
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mircea_popescu but it does rely on "outside primitives" right ? [18:22]
ascii_field (for n00bz: 'remote attestation' is this crackpot concept where usg has permanent root (yes) on 'your' computer, and uses it to verify that you aren't, e.g., running illegal linux) [18:22]
mircea_popescu not sure how to best convey this as the guy's terminology is a sort of pigdin latin numerals. [18:22]
mircea_popescu very poor. [18:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: relies on an interpreter he wrote in c [18:22]
mircea_popescu nevertheless : he has this idea that you can nono. [18:22]
mircea_popescu i mean the wtf he called them [18:22]
mircea_popescu the turbines [18:22]
ascii_field jets [18:22]
mircea_popescu aha! [18:22]
mircea_popescu so : those could as well be the remote part of a fritz chip [18:22]
mircea_popescu in a sense they always are : they verify at the minimum that math is homogenous in the universe. [18:23]
mircea_popescu (an untested assumption i might add) [18:23]
ascii_field a falling brick does that. [18:23]
mircea_popescu quite so. [18:23]
mircea_popescu or pulsar, as the case may be, same principle. [18:23]
ascii_field actually an electron in free space brings in most of known maths [18:24]
mircea_popescu enough to prima facie anyway [18:24]
shinohai Lovely, lovely Lenovo: [18:27]
assbot Lenovo G50-80 dialog box - Ars Technica OpenForum ... ( ) [18:27]
mircea_popescu "Trusted Platform Module From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Fritz-chip) Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is an international standard for a secure cryptoprocessor," [18:29]
mircea_popescu international things are better right ? [18:29]
ascii_field ;;google NovoSecEngine2 [18:31]
gribble Lenovo G50-80 dialog box - Ars Technica OpenForum: ; Lenovo is shipping a rootkit in their BIOS...…: ; Kristian Köhntopp - Google+: [18:31]
* ascii_field got ~5 results [18:31]
ascii_field evidently 'this never happened, move along' [18:31]
ascii_field oh and Run Moar Winblowz !! [18:31]
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ascii_field 'Before booting windows 7 or 8, the bios checks if C:Windowssystem32autochk.exe is the Lenovo one or the original Microsoft one. If it is not the lenovo one, it moves it to C:Windowssystem32409zz_secautobin.exe, and then writes it's own autochk.exe. During boot, the Lenovo autochk.exe writes a LenovoUpdate.exe and a LenovoCheck.exe file to the system32 directory, and sets up a services to run one of them when an [18:39]
ascii_field internet connection is established. I don't know too much exactly what those do, but one appears to phone home to ... 2_oko.json which is a bit worrying with the combination of a "ForceUpdate" parameter shown and the lack of ssl, making it fairly likely that it's exploitable for remote code execution by anyone who can intercept your traffic(public wifi, etc).' [18:39]
assbot Error ... ( ) [18:40]
ascii_field ^ lulzy, quoted for the record. [18:40]
ascii_field btw this is precisely how the well-known 'computrace' works. [18:40]
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ascii_field moar gold: [18:41]
ascii_field 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:windowssystem32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx file) and in a random [18:41]
ascii_field Chinese forum (in Chinese, which I can't read, but it seemed to be about Lenovo). In the end it did the exact same thing that the autochk.exe method (under Windows 7) does (loads LenovoUpdate.exe, installs a service, etc), except you get a cryptic entry in your System Log: "A platform binary was successfully executed."' [18:41]
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mircea_popescu herp [19:01]
Adlai derp [19:03]
mircea_popescu The books that I have counted and priced are the ones I have here, in my flat. I have about an equal number stored in another place, so that I shall double the final figure in order to arrive at the complete amount. I have not counted oddments such as proof copies, defaced volumes, cheap paper-covered editions, pamphlets, or magazines, unless bound up into book form. Nor have I counted the kind of junky books-old schoo [19:03]
mircea_popescu l text-books and so forth–that accumulate in the bottoms of cupboards. I have counted only those books which I have acquired voluntarily, or else would have acquired voluntarily, and which I intend to keep. In this category I find that I have 442 books, acquired in the following ways: [19:03]
mircea_popescu holy shit. [19:03]
mircea_popescu i owned > 10k volumes before getting rid of the lot, as a 20yo man. [19:04]
mircea_popescu what the fuck "i own 442 books" what is this! [19:04]
ascii_field in those days, they cost money [19:04]
mircea_popescu they cost money in all days. [19:04]
ascii_field today even a schmuck like me has tens of thou [19:04]
mircea_popescu quote : "You don't suppose we read that stuff, do you? Why, half the time you're talking about books that cost twelve and sixpence!" [19:04]
mircea_popescu twelve and sixpence is about 20 dollars in today's money. [19:04]
Adlai dunno, growing up in an apartment full of books is kinda good [19:04]
Adlai but i guess you're not growing up a kid [19:05]
ascii_field aha my father had pretty much no exposed wall at all [19:05]
ascii_field just book [19:05]
ascii_field wall-to-wall. [19:05]
mircea_popescu same. [19:05]
Adlai ed zackary [19:05]
mircea_popescu how ELSE are you going to furnish a house ? [19:05]
Adlai pianos1 [19:05]
ascii_field ikr? [19:05]
mircea_popescu it's not like it's blue collar shelter. [19:05]
Adlai s/1/!/ [19:05]
* mircea_popescu sadly never thought to take pictures of the thing itself, all he has is various nude girlies in front of bookwalls. [19:06]
ascii_field i have more or less solid wall-to-wall now. [19:06]
Adlai but a single piano is more expensive than most book collections [19:06]
mircea_popescu oddly enough, more interested in the books than in the girls, coupla decades later. [19:06]
mircea_popescu Adlai a good one, easily. [19:06]
Adlai what's odd about that [19:06]
Adlai s/what/nothing/ [19:07]
Adlai a good piano is worth its weight in divorce lawyers [19:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, the "biblioteca de arta" collection was easily 500 volumes. it mostly dealt with cultural anthropology, aesthetics and such. tiny fraction of a fucking library seriously [19:07]
mircea_popescu Adlai at the time it seemed the other way. [19:08]
Adlai [19:09]
assbot Quote by Leo Tolstoy : “All happy families are alike; each unhappy fami...” ... ( ) [19:09]
mircea_popescu lol [19:09]
ascii_field obligatory >> [19:10]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 22:21:02; asciilifeform: those aren't naggum's books! [19:10]
Adlai ultimately sentiment trumps [19:10]
Adlai yeah but naggum was dead [19:10]
Adlai and couldn'tc speak for which books were his, and which weren't [19:10]
ascii_field (old thread, re: when i discovered that some derp posted a fake (!) 'naggum's books' list in place of real one) [19:10]
Adlai divorce is generally a much more lively affair, due to involvement of the living [19:10]
ascii_field the original was posted shortly after his death. i have a copy. [19:10]
mircea_popescu "Twenty-five pounds a year sounds quite a lot until you begin to measure it against other kinds of expenditure. It is nearly 9s. 9d. a week, and at present 9s. 9d. is the equivalent of about 83 cigarettes (Players): even before the war it would have bought you less than 200 cigarettes. With prices as they now are, I am spending far more on tobacco than I do on books. I smoke six ounces a week, at half-a-crown an ounce, [19:11]
mircea_popescu making nearly £40 a year. Even before the war when the same tobacco cost 8d. an ounce, I was spending over £10 a year on it" [19:11]
mircea_popescu there you have it. [19:11]
mircea_popescu i don't think i smoked enough to pay for a decent book in those tobacco prices. [19:11]
Adlai you smoked!? [19:11]
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mircea_popescu i still do, on occasion. [19:12]
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Adlai !up ascii_field [19:12]
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Adlai fyi smoke is carcinogenic [19:12]
mircea_popescu but i doubt i actually went through a pound yet. [19:12]
mircea_popescu much lagging behind his half pound weekly. [19:12]
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Adlai why smoke [19:13]
Adlai flowers are too beautiful to burn [19:13]
Adlai and burning leaves is just... heathen [19:13]
mircea_popescu ... [19:13]
mircea_popescu what do you do with leaves, eat them ? [19:13]
Adlai [19:14]
assbot Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( ) [19:14]
* Adlai quotes the answer, for logs: "Nope. Smoking is foolish in an age when vapourising technology is so evolved and readily available." [19:14]
mats << context, of course. in this particular case, he addressed the issue of VMM being detected by the loader as indicated in s4.3.4 [19:14]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 21:09:46; mircea_popescu: wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake <<< it's a very interesting point as to how do you establish this ? [19:14]
Adlai "i don't think i smoked enough to pay for a decent book" << as though books are priced by content and not... who knows [19:16]
mircea_popescu "I have said enough to show that reading is one of the cheaper recreations: after listening to the radio probably THE cheapest." [19:17]
mircea_popescu then he wonders why it went to shit. [19:17]
mircea_popescu no human activity ever survived and very few have recovered from the mass of people taking an interest. [19:17]
mircea_popescu and the mass of people take an interest once the poor activity becomes the cheapest in a class. [19:17]
Adlai last price i heard quoted for books was "50% of the price you bought'em, if they came from this shop" [19:17]
mircea_popescu "Meanwhile, what is the actual amount that the British public spends on books? I cannot discover any figures, though no doubt they exist. But I do know that before the war this country was publishing annually about 15,000 books, which included reprints and school books. If as many as 10,000 copies of each book were sold–and even allowing for the school books, this is probably a high estimate-the average person was on [19:18]
mircea_popescu ly buying, directly or indirectly, about three books a year. These three books taken together might cost £1, or probably less." [19:18]
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Adlai why reprint books [19:18]
Adlai there is literally zero need for that [19:18]
Adlai plenty of excellent books ROT on shelves [19:18]
mircea_popescu how else are you going to read the old ones ? [19:18]
Adlai pay the bag^H^Hookholders a little premium [19:19]
mircea_popescu if i ever want to buy a bible, i do not wish to buy a soggy dog eared piece of composted toilet paper ensmeared with the biological refuse of five generations of idiots of the sort that'd misread a bible. [19:20]
Adlai well that's why book buying needs a wot just as much as pretty much anything else [19:20]
Adlai you think i throw my books out the window? no, they go to trusted friends [19:20]
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Adlai (go, not "are lent to") [19:21]
mircea_popescu women, also ? [19:21]
Adlai [19:22]
assbot Never Lend Books - YouTube ... ( ) [19:22]
Adlai women should be neither sold nor lent... [19:22]
* mircea_popescu makes note : jews don't keep lent. [19:23]
mircea_popescu (and besides, you said yourself : go, not "are lent to") [19:23]
Adlai fwiw fasting is an excellent ritual [19:23]
Adlai but typically gets grossly mismanaged [19:24]
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assbot The best place to play go online! ... ( ) [19:26]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field i submit to you that no, not "books cost money". people were just stupider a century ago. quoth : [19:27]
assbot Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( ) [19:27]
mircea_popescu "Three of these books deal with subjects of which he is so ignorant that he will have to read at least 50 pages if he is to avoid making some howler which will betray him not merely to the author (who of course knows all about the habits of book reviewers), but even to the general reader. " [19:27]
mircea_popescu i beg your pardon ? i read 50 pages in half hour. [19:27]
mircea_popescu i read a million words a day, and have been reading a million words a day each day for years straight. [19:28]
mircea_popescu what the fuck already, 50 pages ? [19:28]
* Adlai calls bullshit [19:28]
Adlai 'skim' /= 'read' [19:28]
mircea_popescu orly. [19:28]
Adlai yarl. [19:29]
mircea_popescu read the piece, tell me anything but skim is contemplated. [19:29]
* Adlai reserves the right to have called bullshit on orwell rather than our lord mircea [19:29]
mircea_popescu then do the math on what 1-2k lines of daily log mean, in words. [19:29]
mircea_popescu lol k [19:29]
mircea_popescu the last time i encountered humans that balked for hours at reading "at least 50 pages" i was in jr high and the humans in question where the losers in the class. [19:31]
Adlai dunno man i'm still working my way through GEB [19:31]
mircea_popescu they couldn't get into the highschools, so prepuberty is the last time we met at the table. [19:31]
Adlai skimming huge chunks, sure, but there are also interesting bits [19:32]
mircea_popescu Adlai the egptyan god ? [19:32]
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Adlai [19:32]
Adlai assbot: pls to [19:33]
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mircea_popescu the golden braid thing ? [19:33]
mircea_popescu my mother got into an episode with that thing once. [19:34]
Adlai episode, of what kind? [19:35]
mircea_popescu you know, like noob lsd takers ? [19:36]
ascii_field mega-b00k [19:36]
ascii_field prolly the one i'd like to take to my oubliette [19:36]
ascii_field (if they gave books there) [19:36]
Adlai aha it has the staniseal of approval [19:36]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i think they give books more in line with "tehnologia navigatiei cu vele" [19:37]
Adlai ascii_field: iiuc sfine, as long as you "declare the pennies on your eyes" [19:37]
mircea_popescu (commie romania had weirdo "to buy x you must also buy y" quota system to prop up the central economy. that particular book was outrageous in a country nobodyu owned as much as a raft, let alone yachts. so it became symbolic) [19:37]
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Adlai :( [19:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00061786 = 2.1934 BTC [+] [19:38]
Adlai helloe mpoe [19:39]
Adlai lsd is kinda like bitcoin [19:40]
Adlai you don't know what'll happen, but you know it'll be interesting [19:40]
mircea_popescu "The great majority of reviews give an inadequate or misleading account of the book that is dealt with. Since the war publishers have been less able than before to twist the tails of literary editors and evoke a paean of praise for every book that they produce, but on the other hand the standard of reviewing has gone down owing to lack of space and other inconveniences. Seeing the results, people sometimes suggest that [19:41]
mircea_popescu the solution lies in getting book reviewing out of the hands of hacks. Books on specialised subjects ought to be dealt with by experts, and on the other hand a good deal of reviewing, especially of novels, might well be done by amateurs. Nearly every book is capable of arousing passionate feeling, if it is only a passionate dislike, in some or other reader, whose ideas about it would surely be worth more than those of [19:41]
mircea_popescu a bored professional. But, unfortunately, as every editor knows, that kind of thing is very difficult to organise. In practice the editor always finds himself reverting to his team of hacks–his "regulars", as he calls them." [19:41]
mircea_popescu meanwhile they organised it alright [19:41]
mircea_popescu it still doesn't work. [19:41]
Adlai who organized what [19:42]
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Adlai oh helloe mpoe [19:42]
mircea_popescu "the editors" organized "on the other hand a good deal of reviewing, especially of novels, might well be done by amateurs. Nearly every book is capable of arousing passionate feeling, if it is only a passionate dislike, in some or other reader, whose ideas about it would surely be worth more than those of a bored professional" [19:43]
mircea_popescu except it turns out that passion only seemed valuable because so rarely encountered from the sort of women these people hung out with (ie, carefully not whores) [19:43]
mircea_popescu and so they imagined it's a panacea. which it definitely is not. [19:44]
mircea_popescu passion's as good as whoever puts it forth, which means that with most people it has the consistency of puss and the aroma of old faces. [19:44]
mircea_popescu faeces* [19:44]
Adlai obviously someboderp with passionate dislike will write a more impassioned review than one with mildly apathatic approval [19:44]
mircea_popescu which will be a worse read. [19:44]
Adlai upon this principle have been built many subbreddits [19:44]
Adlai or as they're called these days, "verses" [19:44]
Adlai or is it "subverses" [19:45]
* Adlai got a ping and goes to check on the kids [19:45]
mircea_popescu "It is Sunday afternoon, preferably before the war. The wife is already asleep in the armchair, and the children have been sent out for a nice long walk. You put your feet up on the sofa, settle your spectacles on your nose, and open the NEWS OF THE WORLD. Roast beef and Yorkshire, or roast pork and apple sauce, followed up by suet pudding and driven home, as it were, by a cup of mahogany-brown tea, have put you in jus [19:45]
mircea_popescu t the right mood. Your pipe is drawing sweetly, the sofa cushions are soft underneath you, the fire is well alight, the air is warm and stagnant. In these blissful circumstances, what is it that you want to read about?" [19:45]
mircea_popescu see ? of course they'd think passion's the answer. [19:46]
Adlai well reading a review for lolzvalue is /= to reading a review for wotrating value [19:46]
* Adlai spends tons of time on leddit, because "laughter is the best medicine" [19:47]
mircea_popescu you ever looked at the voat thing ? [19:49]
Adlai as in, loaded it in a browser, yes [19:49]
Adlai not much beyond [19:49]
punkman life's too short for reading what reddit derps think [19:50]
* Adlai is rapidly itching to get his github streak going again [19:50]
mircea_popescu was gonna ask if it's different any [19:52]
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punkman mircea_popescu: why would it be [19:53]
Adlai as my unfamous friend is apt to say, "same shit -- diffrent day" [19:53]
mircea_popescu just curious, nothing much past that [19:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33912 @ 0.00062218 = 21.0994 BTC [+] [19:53]
Adlai they've copied the mechanics, and leached the self-identified "edgiest" parts of the community [19:55]
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mats fun fact: ru cosmonauts have used the time it takes spit to freeze on insulation as a way to measure temperature [20:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062272 = 18.4014 BTC [+] [20:16]
Adlai well that only measures temp at the point the spit hits [20:17]
Adlai you'd have to spit all over everywhere to get useful weather data [20:17]
thestringpuller << hearn's analysis on "consensus" [20:20]
phf Adlai: does that secp256k1 implementation you have in your github works? [20:27]
Adlai phf: works for whats? [20:30]
Adlai ;;gettrust phf [20:30]
phf for doing ecdsa [20:30]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014 [20:30]
Adlai !gettrust phf [20:30]
assbot Trust relationship from user Adlai to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | | [20:30]
* Adlai rewrote secp256k1.lisp, but ecdsa invovles more than a mere ec group api [20:31]
phf Adlai: i'm trying to decide if i want to get working OP_CHECKSIG first by blindly using someone else's code or ffi'ing to openssl; or write a first approximation of ECDSA myself. will probably offset me by a week [20:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00062804 = 9.7824 BTC [+] {2} [20:33]
phf i see [20:33]
Adlai it really depends what your objectives are... if you're learning without immediate product deadlines, i strongly recommend rabid NIH celebrations [20:34]
Adlai but if you need to produce results: cannibalize, with extreme prejudice [20:35]
phf fair, i'm itching to validate blocks, but it'll have to wait [20:40]
Adlai fwiw, i'm using much more than secp256k1.lisp [20:41]
assbot cjhunt/hunt.lisp at master · adlai/cjhunt · GitHub ... ( ) [20:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4824 @ 0.00062538 = 3.0168 BTC [-] [20:41]
phf understood, you have a different objective though [20:46]
Adlai so just to lay this to rest: i only rewrote the EC group function. ECDSA requires hashing and proper combination of EC group functions, which has not yet been verified. tl;dr: don't use my code [20:49]
mircea_popescu phf so you're not getting eulora mushrooms because you're writing bitcoin in lisp ? [20:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform < also a fan ? [20:59]
assbot Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( ) [20:59]
Adlai worse yet, he's stuck in my sandtrap [20:59]
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phf mircea_popescu: that would be a very ungenerous way of looking at it [21:00]
mircea_popescu i am known for my kindly, generous, charitable disposition [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00062617 = 6.3556 BTC [+] {2} [21:00]
mircea_popescu on account of it being so rare. [21:00]
mircea_popescu "Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralised society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the n [21:02]
mircea_popescu ame of "managers". These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. Private property rights will be abolished, but common ownership will not be established. The new "managerial" societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main indu [21:02]
mircea_popescu strial centres in Europe, Asia, and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom." [21:02]
Adlai so... oligarchy? [21:03]
Adlai of the management class [21:03]
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mircea_popescu so today. with the reddit of out of work waitresses and musicants [21:04]
mircea_popescu and the ba of... ba. [21:04]
mircea_popescu (the above was a prediction in 1946) [21:04]
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mats mmm, my mpex trading balance is nao up ~250% since march [21:28]
mats many thanks to mp and jurov [21:28]
shinohai O.o [21:29]
* Adlai is just glad to be out of hiatus [21:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00062369 = 23.669 BTC [-] {3} [21:30]
mircea_popescu wd [21:33]
mircea_popescu hookers and blow time ? [21:34]
mats nah. i'm just less poor. maybe i'll buy a pair of pants. [21:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one hundred percent of orwell, afaik, is on the net [21:38]
mircea_popescu aha [21:38]
kakobrekla mats run a pc for mpif? [21:38]
mircea_popescu yeah but on what. [21:39]
kakobrekla or is that Adlais plan now :) [21:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and did they really have folks buy hofstadter's 'geb' as part of some spamatron!!?!! [21:39]
mircea_popescu yes [21:39]
kakobrekla on what he is making butcoin now, mpoe ? [21:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13399 @ 0.00060189 = 8.0647 BTC [-] {2} [21:39]
asciilifeform or wait, 'navigation by sail' [21:39]
asciilifeform aha [21:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mind that these anecdotes in no way diminish the book [21:39]
Adlai kakobrekla: i'm still waiting on the bit4x api [21:39]
kakobrekla :( [21:39]
Adlai ;_; [21:39]
mircea_popescu ahaha hey... that'd be pretty epic. have TWO pcs on that thing. [21:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla where is it! [21:40]
kakobrekla wait whut, im saying mats / Adlai should run a pc on mpoe [21:41]
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* Adlai likes it, scalpl was always intended to be an interactive tool anyways [21:41]
mats isn't TAT running a pc on mpoe? or is that done with? [21:41]
Adlai isn't TAT running? [21:41]
kakobrekla tat running? maybe from us. [21:42]
Adlai yes that kind of runnings [21:42]
mircea_popescu "Lenin, indeed, is one of those politicians who win an undeserved reputation by dying prematurely." [21:43]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [21:43]
Adlai jfk [21:43]
mircea_popescu peron too [21:43]
Adlai yoni netanyahu, although not quite a politician [21:44]
Adlai "His younger brother, Benjamin Netanyahu, is the current Prime Minister of Israel." [21:44]
assbot Yonatan Netanyahu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [21:44]
mircea_popescu jesus, the mother of the series. [21:45]
mircea_popescu caesar [21:45]
mircea_popescu etc. [21:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00062966 = 14.1044 BTC [+] {2} [21:47]
Adlai in other news, [21:55]
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mircea_popescu As late as the autumn of 1945, a Gallup poll taken among the American troops in Germany showed that 51 percent "thought Hitler did much good before 1939". This was after five years of anti-Hitler propaganda. [21:59]
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asciilifeform ahahaha. [22:07]
thestringpuller lizard hitler 2016 [22:08]
mats so wait - if TAT took off, who is running PC5? [22:09]
mats jurov? [22:11]
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mircea_popescu jurov yes. tat never ran a pc ? [22:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ran one but it was liquidated properly. [22:17]
mats oh ok. i recall tat being offered pc5 but i see now he did not accept [22:18]
mircea_popescu < if anyone somehow cares, re phuctor and rsa exponents. since my comment is still unapproved a day later. [22:19]
assbot dpaste: 25PZKC1 ... ( ) [22:19]
mircea_popescu i have no idea why i keep engaging random nobodies online, but hey. [22:19]
BingoBoingo Oh, a Double trigger warning on Reddit [22:20]
assbot [DOUBLE TRIGGER WARNING]- Swolshamed by my Swolemaiden and other Iron Path Patron in the same day! : swoleacceptance ... ( ) [22:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! where was this [22:20]
mircea_popescu [22:20]
assbot Choose your own exponents in RSA? | Question and Answer ... ( ) [22:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a straight rip off 'stack exchange' [22:21]
mircea_popescu myeah. [22:21]
mircea_popescu one'd expect better managed than this. [22:21]
mircea_popescu somehow innovative derps lifting stuff manage to effectually squander the scant opportunities their good fate and their betters' peculiarities afford. [22:22]
asciilifeform [22:22]
assbot Choose your own exponents in RSA? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( ) [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [22:22]
asciilifeform and i meant, 'straight rip' [22:22]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha mkay, never saw that [22:22]
mircea_popescu guess joke's on me. [22:23]
asciilifeform prolly why nobody answered. [22:24]
mircea_popescu mhm [22:25]
mats Does a different, larger exponent increase the work effort required for an attacker? Does it increase the work effort required for legitimate uses? << a bigger exponent increases computational time [22:25]
asciilifeform (on classic stackexchange, occasionally folks do speak, e.g., ) [22:25]
assbot random - Offline RSA strong prime test similar to Phuctor? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( ) [22:25]
mircea_popescu mats not on correctly implemented rsa. [22:25]
asciilifeform mno [22:25]
asciilifeform it does. [22:25]
mircea_popescu why would it ? [22:25]
asciilifeform but not in a way that a legit user would give half a fuck about [22:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for each bit set in exponent, you end up doing a round in chinese remainder iirc [22:26]
mircea_popescu if the implementation allows me to discover stuff about the exponent through timing the thing, it's broken [22:26]
mircea_popescu you do all the rounds for your platforms maxint ANYWAY [22:26]
asciilifeform proper implementations (e.g. mine) are fixed-time. [22:26]
mircea_popescu doh [22:26]
asciilifeform this is not hard. [22:26]
asciilifeform srsly [22:26]
asciilifeform but abstractly, more work for machine given a longer public exponent [22:27]
asciilifeform (which enemy already knows) [22:27]
mircea_popescu machine doesn't care. [22:27]
asciilifeform enciphering too. [22:27]
mircea_popescu and enemy doesn't need to know that much [22:27]
asciilifeform and no, nobody cares. [22:27]
scoopbot_revived Serenissima Your Serenissma (2015) [22:29]
* mircea_popescu is rather nonplussed at how social media in its "experts exchange" format has given rise to what amounts to a distributed network of "experts" recruited from among the highschool "metalworkers" as they were called [22:29]
mircea_popescu those insufferable kids that can't think so they try to compensate by "Working hard" [22:29]
mircea_popescu endless parrotting of uncomprehended, mechanically learned pseudoscience and assorted factoidal half truths for the daily dose of congratulatory popcorn from the poor teacher. [22:30]
asciilifeform Expert Sexchange !!11 [22:30]
mircea_popescu all the intellectual curiosity of "will this be on the exam" [22:30]
mircea_popescu and all the personal bravure of "but the teacher said!" [22:31]
asciilifeform american education ftw [22:31]
mircea_popescu nah, it was deeply soviet [22:31]
asciilifeform confucian, really [22:31]
mircea_popescu it is the true calling of "universal" education. [22:31]
mircea_popescu makes bureaucrats. as intended. [22:31]
asciilifeform how else. [22:32]
asciilifeform mandarins. [22:32]
mircea_popescu mandamyfoot. [22:32]
asciilifeform no, really. almost complete with the mandatory balls-in-a-jar token of office [22:33]
* mircea_popescu has for many years now meditated on this point, but i do not think i loathe or despise any class more than the bureaucrat. i have no problem hanging out with convicted murderes, wanton rapists, the insane, dying men or women, and probably aliens [22:33]
mircea_popescu but i can't breathe the air in the same room with these. [22:33]
asciilifeform funny how one can smell'em even without air! [22:33]
mircea_popescu i can hear them think. [22:33]
asciilifeform they could be light-years away, but unmistakeable stink [22:33]
asciilifeform how many photons does one need, wonder, to transmit it. [22:33]
mircea_popescu i think it's just one photon [22:34]
mircea_popescu for the lot [22:34]
mircea_popescu but mishapen [22:34]
asciilifeform !b 10 [22:34]
assbot Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [22:34]
asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo have you ever tried to run an apple 'powerbook wallstreet' with an ssd ? [22:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: High on the wanted list [22:38]
BingoBoingo 'Wallstreet' seems like the pinacle of apple portables. [22:39]
BingoBoingo May have regular fiat income coming in soon. If it works out higher priority is those couple mac minis for cheap colo to stand up some industrial nodes. [22:40]
mircea_popescu o hey BingoBoingo where've you been! [22:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Studying the ways of the fiat job interview. And sleeping. [22:41]
mircea_popescu good for you. [22:41]
mircea_popescu got anything ? [22:41]
BingoBoingo Two on Monday in the same building for the same job classification, but different departments. [22:41]
mircea_popescu cool. [22:42]
BingoBoingo Income would be modest but local apartments offer still more modest prices. [22:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00060191 = 15.8904 BTC [-] [22:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nah, that was 'pismo' [22:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But does anyone ever sell their pismo? [22:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: me, if i can't get the bugger reading ssd! [22:46]
asciilifeform (which srsly cost 2x what that old boat anchor of a machine did!) [22:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: From what I understand Pismo has finicky drive controller. Must use drive from whitelist. [22:46]
BingoBoingo What whitelist? Exists in lore of trial and error. ATA 100 right out. [22:47]
BingoBoingo ATA 66 or 133, Maybe? [22:47]
BingoBoingo From the inclusion of a TPM, the ThinkPad was lost sort of shit here. [22:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mno. this drive works at all ata speeds (tested) and still won't boot the box [22:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: See [22:50]
assbot MacOPINION : Charles Moore | Hotrodding The Pismo Phase Two: Faster Hard Drive ... ( ) [22:50]
BingoBoingo Problem is on motherboard [22:51]
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BingoBoingo It isn't that the interface works at some speeds and not others. It is that it only works at some speeds and at those speeds only with some drives. [22:52]
BingoBoingo And all of those people who complained and tested seemed to do so before the consumer SSD revolution [22:53]
asciilifeform again, the fact that it does not mount the drive is obvious experimentally. but the given hypothesis does not follow [22:55]
asciilifeform the ssd in question happily runs at 66 and even 33, and negotiates this speed with test box running adult os [22:55]
BingoBoingo Discerning the exact problem likely requires a time machine, a baseball bat, and a trip to Cupertino or Mumbai [22:57]
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mats i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today [23:05]
mats i think she was coming back to talk to me but then decided not to when i didn't notice her at the periphery of my vision [23:06]
mats i was looking at a buncha nice summer squash and it barely registered that someone was facing me for five seconds [23:06]
mats worth it, that squash is dericious [23:06]
mats pricy shit at the market though, i spent ~20 on six linked sausages weighing 2lbs total [23:07]
mats i told a friend these events in exactly the same order as irc and she told me i'm gay :( [23:07]
trinque haha [23:07]
BingoBoingo mats: What kind of summer squash? [23:09]
mats the label at the stand said 'golden striped squash' i believe [23:11]
phf is it green with yellow stripes? [23:12]
mats no its yellow with green stripes [23:13]
BingoBoingo Ah mats if you find the small white ones, they are especially delicious. Save a couple for seeds though. It was $2.50 for six seeds this spring for the pattypan squash. Never have I seen seeds that expensive for a vegetable. Worth it though, just saving them this year. [23:15]
mats i will be watchful [23:15]
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trinque who wants to make small-talk at the grocery store anyway? [23:17]
phf i've rarely seen patissons in stores [23:17]
trinque sounds terrible; I'd rather pass judgment on squash too [23:17]
mats its not my fault she was too shy to ask me for my number [23:19]
phf but they come out really nice when pickled [23:19]
mats when i see her again i will ask for hers and then make fun of her at dinner [23:20]
BingoBoingo mats: On the plus side those things were really productive when they grew. If you have any outdoor space be it a yard or balcony I highly reccomend them. [23:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00060191 = 4.7623 BTC [-] [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00060233 = 14.0343 BTC [+] {2} [23:25]
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mats i don't, but i've been meaning to try hydroponics anyway [23:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00059995 = 37.4369 BTC [-] {3} [23:33]
BingoBoingo hydroponics is for people who want enhanced law enforcement attention. Dirt is fine and very productive. [23:33]
BingoBoingo And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people. [23:45]
BingoBoingo The new kinder, gentler Gawker Media. As socialist as ever: [23:51]
assbot An Expensive Sandwich Should Come With a Side ... ( ) [23:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00060778 = 27.107 BTC [+] {3} [23:54]
BingoBoingo Also note that Gawker/Kinja pages take longer than ever to be processed by ... Almost as though there is an arms race between archiver and those not wanting to be preserved [23:55]
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