Forum logs for 13 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3134466/Im-son-ate-Angry-dwarf-jailed-sticking-sucker-dart-head-pretending-Dalek-row-led-Tasered-twice-police.html [00:43]
assbot Angry dwarf Ian Salter-Bromley jailed after pretending to be a Dalek in row with police | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlXFaY ) [00:43]
BingoBoingo ^ Truly an hero for our people [00:44]
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asciilifeform from the lulzfarms: https://cryptome.org/2015/08/michael-hastings-thoughts.htm [00:48]
assbot Thoughts About Michael Hastings ... ( http://bit.ly/1WkAOl4 ) [00:48]
asciilifeform '"For secret assassination, either simple or chase, the contrived accident is the most effective technique. When successfully executed, it causes little excitement and is only casually investigated."' [00:48]
trinque who can even question what happened to him [00:49]
trinque poor fella went for a 130mph drive in the middle of the night, I suppose I'm supposed to believe [00:49]
asciilifeform and exploded like 'movie car', aha [00:49]
asciilifeform by itself. [00:49]
asciilifeform in fireball that equals at least half a kilo of trotyl, no less. [00:50]
trinque sparks even, as though trying to jam the breaks, iirc [00:50]
trinque *brakes [00:50]
trinque I remember that happening, and the reality of it sinking in [00:50]
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trinque "They're everything they ever claimed they defend against." [00:50]
asciilifeform times $maxint. [00:51]
asciilifeform 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against. [00:51]
trinque yep [00:52]
* trinque was about to depart, but couldn't help but comment seeing "Hastings" [00:52]
trinque bbl [00:52]
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BingoBoingo True shame Hastings didn't live long enough to make the target on his back more vivid by flirting with #b-a [01:03]
BingoBoingo "The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start." [01:05]
BingoBoingo "Motorcycle Gangs" is USG code for blessed sons of the DEA. Nearly all their contemporary membership is eather hobbyist medical pros or former Law enforcement [01:06]
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BingoBoingo The law enforcement - Biker gang connection even leaks into USG blessed pop culture from time to time. [01:09]
BingoBoingo "If the subject's personal habits make it feasible, alcohol may be used [very successfully] to prepare him for a contrived accident of any kind." << FU Hoover [01:10]
BingoBoingo Hastings may very well have simply pushed his luck one too many times with reckless behavior. In true Hunter S. Thompson fashion. Even then it would still be interesting to know what he was working on. A lesson for acoyltes of the press? << Thompson preserved his live by straddling the edge of credibility. "To weird to die" was likely both his motto and official USG policy. [01:12]
BingoBoingo "The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start." << If Mr. Bolles has a known propensity for peyote and cocaine he likely could have avoided this fate whil [01:13]
BingoBoingo e still reporting the same things. [01:13]
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BingoBoingo USG though always operates under the assumption Nixon era "Drugs once damaged forever" cridibility doctrine holds [01:15]
BingoBoingo By this form a tab of LSD to asciilifeform may extend his life a decade, or USG whims could change [01:17]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [01:19]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 265.24, vol: 10337.49740711 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 260.0, vol: 5300.23822 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 265.46, vol: 15668.6887239 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 264.01, vol: 0.16 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 259.904939, vol: 17254.58870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 265.19423, vol: 80.9109058 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 271.380062055, vol: 60.95966155 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [01:19]
BingoBoingo ;;more [01:20]
gribble 262.858012852 [01:20]
phf i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? [01:21]
BingoBoingo phf: Plenty in his sports writing. [01:21]
BingoBoingo But, that could also be sports writing. [01:22]
BingoBoingo He published in book form a bunch of shit he got being one of the few people Nixon could talk Football with [01:22]
BingoBoingo USG, I will send you to Kismet and I will eat your soul [01:23]
phf is that the Campaign Trail '72 one? [01:23]
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BingoBoingo phf: Yeah [01:23]
BingoBoingo Great read [01:23]
BingoBoingo I gave my copy to some girl I fancied at the time which was not the girl I fancied at the time who would have appreciated it. [01:24]
phf i've lost a lot of good books that way [01:25]
* BingoBoingo is nothing if not arbitrary in lightening his shelves [01:25]
phf it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again [01:26]
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BingoBoingo I am actually not sure to this day if that girl is literate herself. [01:26]
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mircea_popescu i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today << win. [01:48]
BingoBoingo Tonight's film Cinderella Man [01:48]
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BingoBoingo Great USG poverty flick so far [01:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform> 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against. << who, the soviets ? [01:53]
BingoBoingo WWIII was a necessary involvement for the Yankees. One that strengthened the South immeasurably. [01:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ? [01:55]
mircea_popescu i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no. [01:55]
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mircea_popescu and similarly moore's mostly an opportunist. nevertheless, they represent the neverending hope of the countless christine wiigs out there, between fargo and paris (wi) that they to one day could be famous! [01:56]
pete_dushenski goddam wiig even wants to shit on ghostbusters now [01:57]
pete_dushenski along with hamplanet mccarthy, naturally [01:57]
mircea_popescu it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it. [01:57]
pete_dushenski not that i have any real love lost for ghostbusters movies, but the cartoons... [01:58]
mircea_popescu this "giving" bs is like lifting kids up to the basketball hoop. pointless and boring. [01:58]
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pete_dushenski lol @ vex [01:58]
* mircea_popescu never followed either [01:58]
mircea_popescu was this HB ? [01:59]
pete_dushenski myea, twas a generational thing [01:59]
pete_dushenski sorry, hb ? [01:59]
mircea_popescu hanna-barbera [01:59]
pete_dushenski aha, like flinstones and jetsons [02:00]
* mircea_popescu loved both cow&chicken and animaniacs. not THAT generational. [02:00]
pete_dushenski i definitely enjoyed animaniacs and pinky and the brain, never watched much cow&chick [02:01]
wilbns ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here. [02:01]
mircea_popescu if you ever want to introduce a kid to surrealism, c&c is the way to go. [02:02]
mircea_popescu plus exactly the right brand of anarchic anti-authoritarian, sexually innuendo-ian and so forth [02:02]
trinque I still re-watch ren & stimpy time to time [02:03]
pete_dushenski 'the real ghostbusters' (cartoon) was developed by columbia pictures and 'dic entertainment'. i'm not sure that it was any good, more that the siren sound of the car as played in the theme song was really rather memorable [02:03]
pete_dushenski wilbns: which one was gummy bears again ? [02:03]
mircea_popescu it's a pity they took southpark the route of this hot topic "let's stand in front random news event of the week" [02:04]
mircea_popescu show used to be a lot better a decade ago [02:04]
wilbns pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4aJz2E5LQI: [02:04]
assbot Gummi Bears 0401 Gummi´s At Sea (Full Episode) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TvUo9K ) [02:04]
trinque indeed. clearly wanted to cash in and go do broadway [02:04]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin. [02:04]
trinque r&s is imo an excellent satire of various common american mental illnesses [02:05]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it's a great show, starting maybe about 5-6-7 or so but be prepared to support the kid by not being a hypocrite cop-out sorta parent. which always sounds a lot easier than it turns out to be [02:06]
mircea_popescu wilbns dude i think i ate some of those [02:06]
mircea_popescu i had no idea they were a cartoon [02:06]
wilbns mircea_popescu: haha, yes, exactly, that was my favorite candy as a kid which is why i liked the cartoon [02:06]
pete_dushenski they're no sour patch kids [02:06]
pete_dushenski the show looks like a stoner's brainchild [02:08]
* trinque now has the duck tales theme stuck in head [02:08]
trinque ah oooooh ooh [02:08]
wilbns trinque: me too [02:09]
BingoBoingo it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it. << Been a decade and months since my mistake. Recognized when I wanted to see them again. [02:09]
wilbns after hanna barbera stuff and disney cartoons, will never forget the first time i accidentally stumbled upon aeon flux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVZXElRgYwk [02:09]
assbot (MTV) Aeon Flux Series - Season 1 (1991) - Pilot N/A - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je565e ) [02:09]
mircea_popescu saw the film of that thing, because hot chick. was thoroughly disappointed. [02:09]
wilbns didn't see the movie, but there was all kinds of wacked out stuff happening in the cartoon. that was the first time i think i saw two animated characters getting it on w/ each other [02:11]
trinque http://images.alphacoders.com/480/480232.png [02:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je5kJB ) [02:11]
trinque didn't see the film, but now I can see wanting to [02:11]
pete_dushenski mercy. [02:11]
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BingoBoingo Oh, liberast twist in "Cinderella Man" is wife doesn't want him to risk it for the children [02:26]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-08-2015#1233728 << if it still works i'll buy it from you [02:32]
assbot Logged on 10-08-2015 22:33:31; *: shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere .... [02:32]
wilbns ah, what a phone [02:32]
wilbns fell off a roof onto my hip which had that phone clipped to it, no problem. accidentally put in a cup of whisky and coke, no problem. [02:35]
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mircea_popescu The music-and if possible it should be the same music for everybody-is the most important ingredient. Its function is to prevent thought and conversation, and to shut out any natural sound, such as the song of birds or the whistling of the wind, that might otherwise intrude. The radio is already consciously used for this purpose by innumerable people. In very many English homes the radio is literally never turned off, [02:42]
mircea_popescu though it is manipulated from time to time so as to make sure that only light music will come out of it. I know people who will keep the radio playing all through a meal and at the same time continue talking just loudly enough for the voices and the music to cancel out. This is done with a definite purpose. The music prevents the conversation from becoming serious or even coherent, while the chatter of voices stops one [02:42]
mircea_popescu from listening attentively to the music and thus prevents the onset of that dreaded thing, thought. For: [02:42]
mircea_popescu The lights must never go out. [02:42]
mircea_popescu The music must always play, [02:42]
mircea_popescu Lest we should see where we are; [02:42]
mircea_popescu Lost in a haunted wood, [02:42]
mircea_popescu Children afraid of the dark [02:42]
mircea_popescu Who have never been happy or good. [02:42]
mircea_popescu what did jobs "invent" again ? [02:42]
mircea_popescu a whole fucking century with this. [02:42]
ben_vulpes (coracle at 281753) [02:46]
BingoBoingo How did "Million Dollar Baby" get acclaim and "Cincerella Man" didn't [02:48]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: did you have any 'absolute path' issues when setting up coracle ? i still haven't overcome this issue with my rotor attempts [02:49]
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BingoBoingo Ho Bitch wife #CinderellaMan [03:02]
BingoBoingo Gaddammit Bitch wife [03:05]
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hanbot what did jobs "invent" again ? << elective lobotomies with moar rounded corners [03:07]
mircea_popescu not sure any cutting was required. [03:08]
mircea_popescu some brains are born circumcised. [03:08]
BingoBoingo And Bitc wife comes to when she realizes only one outcome lets her live [03:10]
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pete_dushenski http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt << where my 'rotor' efforts for debian 7 currently rest. [03:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbXEr6 ) [03:25]
pete_dushenski ^mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes etc. [03:26]
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fluffypony lolwut [03:27]
fluffypony I just got a pm from WoodCollector [03:27]
fluffypony As the new owner of this account I have removed any feedback left by the previous owner as a courtesy before I sell the account. [03:27]
fluffypony PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE YOUR FEEDBACK AS IT IS HISTORICAL AND A REMINDER TO ALL TO BE CAREFUL. [03:27]
fluffypony This account is being sold soon, so please do not trust anyone on this account who says they are the original woodcollector. [03:27]
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pete_dushenski best price. [03:27]
mircea_popescu ... [03:29]
mircea_popescu is the new owner advising people against trusting the new owner ? [03:29]
mircea_popescu apparently obamacare doesn't make the lithium strong enough anymore. [03:30]
pete_dushenski "Vox Media, a publishing house for the digital age, has landed a $200 million strategic investment from the entertainment group NBCUniversal" [03:30]
mircea_popescu see, now that investment makes sense [03:30]
pete_dushenski values vox at $1 bn [03:31]
mircea_popescu nothing nbc bought in the past 2-12-20 billion has turned out worth anything [03:31]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: what else has nbc bought in the last 5 years ? [03:33]
* BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but... [03:38]
BingoBoingo NBC bought Trump [03:39]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [03:39]
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* BingoBoingo likes the hollywood dichotomy of break your neck on a stool vs. buy a house in Jersey [03:40]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski they buy 5-20 shows a yerar. [03:46]
mircea_popescu none of which you've heard of. [03:47]
mircea_popescu none of which cost less than 10mn or so [03:47]
pete_dushenski aha. shows. [03:47]
mircea_popescu for 20 years now, they've not caught a break. [03:47]
pete_dushenski 30 rock was theirs. [03:47]
mircea_popescu since seinfeld practically. [03:47]
mircea_popescu heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ? [03:47]
pete_dushenski 30 rock might actually be the last tv show i watched that had me in stitches [03:48]
fluffypony http://imgur.com/gallery/tuG5A [03:48]
assbot Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ ) [03:48]
mircea_popescu sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski [03:49]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: it probably grosses a couple million a year ? leaving a net of a few hundred k, i'd wager [03:49]
mircea_popescu ... [03:50]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: btw, what's the going rate for online ads these days ? sounds like cpm is dead, but do you know 'average' cpc off-hand ? [03:51]
pete_dushenski i'm trolling a local newsrag and need to know how far to take my schtick :) [03:51]
BingoBoingo sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski << Seriosly NBC is too poor to film police dramas in NYC. Hence "Chicago PD" [03:52]
mircea_popescu it's about the same as buying "seer advice". you can pay as much as you want to, but you should buy the cheapest. [03:52]
BingoBoingo heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ? << SNL, but "retired" [03:52]
mircea_popescu (usually cheapest here means - just get someone to edit your apache server logs) [03:52]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: they can always film in chicago and call it nyc, throw in some pixels so no one notices [03:52]
BingoBoingo The same way ESPN is mostly "athletes" but "retired" [03:52]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not really. Middle America will know [03:53]
pete_dushenski you'd know better than i [03:53]
mircea_popescu skyline! [03:53]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: If any part of the "Chicago River" is in a frame most of use can smell it. [03:54]
mircea_popescu lol [03:54]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But take comfort. The "Chicago River" is a 21st century open sewer [03:54]
BingoBoingo So post modern [03:55]
BingoBoingo Not long ago they pointed it away from Lake Michigan [03:55]
BingoBoingo How long ago is up to debate. Good metrics suggest most of it still goes to Lake Michigan. [03:56]
mircea_popescu "a chity so chic its name even starts with chicloaca maxima!" [03:56]
BingoBoingo In the native language of the displaced folk, apparently Chicago meant "place that reeks of onion" [03:57]
BingoBoingo Because it was the wrong kind of bog. [03:57]
BingoBoingo Instead of bury your cheese to keep it safe Chicago was more... Like a FUPA [03:58]
BingoBoingo No way to avoid the mold [03:58]
BingoBoingo I have a fat acquaintence who moved to Shitcago. His fellow probationers are a harder and less human sort than he did rehab with here. [04:02]
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BingoBoingo Dude has a future though, he made himself some Jew Lawyer's pet. [04:03]
BingoBoingo lol [04:04]
BingoBoingo http://getoffmyinternets.net/token-fat-girl-blogger-dies-suddenly-at-age-30/ [04:07]
assbot ‘Token Fat Girl’ Blogger Dies Suddenly At Age 30 | GOMI ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc319K ) [04:07]
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BingoBoingo http://blog.genesisfellowship.com/2013/03/15/pray-for-the-spurlock-family.aspx [04:07]
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BingoBoingo The lawyer who has taken custody of my planetary acquainance is a good person though. I trust she will keep him safe. Her political opinions are close to Pete's except for the Bitcoin is going to burn the world part. [04:10]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235775 <<< tbh, it was a sly attemptin asking you to speculate for what purpose that lab might've been used for, google didn't turn up anything [04:29]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2015 13:15:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235694 << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards [04:29]
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punkman http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/12/ohm-is-a-smarter-lighter-car-battery-that-works-with-your-existing-car/ [04:49]
assbot Ohm Is A Smarter, Lighter Car Battery That Works With Your Existing Car | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJjMG9 ) [04:49]
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cazalla http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/lenovo-pcs-and-laptops-seem-to-have-a-bios-level-backdoor.html [04:58]
assbot Lenovo PCs and Laptops seem to have a BIOS level backdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtYpAT ) [04:58]
cazalla still catching up on logs so sorry if repost [04:59]
cazalla ah shit, not more than 10 lines later and i see shinohai beat me to it [05:00]
shinohai nw, it's kinda old news on my part realy that Lenovo has been exploiting UEFI [05:01]
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punkman is ubuntu compatible yet? [05:02]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236757 <<< can vouch for this.. the 80 year old guy over the fence is always inviting me over to just stroll into his backyard and take what i want.. tools, veggies, whatever, help yourself he says but he is also a little senile so i've not taken up the offer lest he call the police because some intruder is in the backyard [06:35]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 02:44:41; BingoBoingo: And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people. [06:35]
cazalla guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave [06:37]
shinohai I am almost ashamed to addmit I will converse with this old Mexican lady for up to an hour just because I love her damned pepper garden. [06:37]
cazalla what sort of peppers? [06:38]
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shinohai Jalepenos Habaneros [06:41]
shinohai I usually leave with a bundle of cilantro and onions too [06:41]
shinohai Literally tons of it growing around her place. I wish she grew pot. [06:42]
cazalla i've got a couple chillis to go in this spring - anaheim and royal black [06:47]
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cazalla tomatoes i've got planned are black cherry, mary italian and sweetie [06:48]
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shinohai oooh nice [06:49]
shinohai I buy tomatoes at farmers market usually. [06:49]
cazalla not convinced such markets are actually selling the product they claim to be [06:50]
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cazalla there was some media attention to that effect just a few months ago here.. imported chinese garlic sold as australia.. fucking food labelling here is so awful that you cannot know what comes from where.. example "made in australia from local and imported ingredients" [06:52]
cazalla another trick is to import chinese grown produce into australia by way of new zealand so can smack a "made in new zealand" label on it [06:54]
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shinohai Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible. [06:59]
shinohai Usually camped out within a few yards of actual gardens xD [07:00]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236922 <<< how much does a 2012 account go for? [07:09]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 06:38:31; *: BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but... [07:09]
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shinohai BingoBoingo: who are you on btctalk again? [07:47]
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shinohai ;;ticker [08:43]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 263.44, Best ask: 263.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 263.45, 24 hour volume: 13872.40075161, 24 hour low: 263.33, 24 hour high: 270.09, 24 hour vwap: None [08:43]
shinohai http://thenextweb.com/apple/2015/08/13/just-stop-it/ [08:53]
assbot A flasher exploited Apple's AirDrop feature ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwPDwu ) [08:53]
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shinohai https://i.imgur.com/UFOEbGr.png hue [09:53]
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asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2015/08/se-ends-part-assange-probe.htm << lulz [10:54]
assbot Sweden Ends Part of Assange Probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1hzBp20 ) [10:54]
asciilifeform ^ reads like an atrociously bad translation ? [10:54]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236825 << looks like. there is this standard pattern of 'mentions interesting people/events, but no apparent contribution to the subject' [11:02]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ? [11:02]
asciilifeform what i don't get is - why? [11:02]
asciilifeform wtf is the point. [11:02]
asciilifeform smoke screen is the only rational explanation i can think of thus far. [11:03]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236826 << tried to read several works of mr t. utter garbage. [11:03]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:16; mircea_popescu: i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no. [11:03]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236905 << please post your rotor directory tree. [11:05]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 06:25:25; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt << where my 'rotor' efforts for debian 7 currently rest. [11:05]
asciilifeform from this point on, this applies to anyone who wants help in building the thing [11:06]
asciilifeform i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with. [11:06]
kakobrekla he is so modest. [11:07]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236937 << i read some variant of this claptrap on usenet, in, when, '96 ? [11:08]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 06:48:16; assbot: Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ ) [11:08]
asciilifeform funny how these things get recycled forever. [11:08]
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shinohai ;;later tell pete_dushenski pm me and I'll get you past http://dpaste.com/3VCV3R8.txt [11:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbXEr6 ) [11:09]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236842 << all three of these were translated (the traditional ru single-voice crappy dub) and i saw'em as a boy [11:16]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 05:01:16; wilbns: ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here. [11:16]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236984 << can't wait for these to come with a cranked dynamo (preferably in the cab proper, perhaps somewhere under dashboard?) [11:20]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 07:49:31; punkman: http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/12/ohm-is-a-smarter-lighter-car-battery-that-works-with-your-existing-car/ [11:20]
asciilifeform then we can go full circle to the old days when there was no such thing as a car you couldn't start by hand [11:20]
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pete_dushenski shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land ! [11:45]
shinohai sweet :) [11:45]
pete_dushenski as such, 'tevye' is currently at 24404 and climbing [11:46]
funkenstein_ pete_dushenski, congrats :) [11:46]
pete_dushenski soon, he will be a rich man ! [11:46]
funkenstein_ "For man only stays human by preserving large patches of simplicity in his life, while the tendency of many modern inventions-in particular the film, the radio and the aeroplane-is to weaken his consciousness, dull his curiosity, and, in general, drive him nearer to the animals." [11:46]
shinohai I liked this morning article as well. You may have noticed I fumbled the syntax. [11:46]
funkenstein_ The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it? [11:46]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_: lol cheers. i'm sorta surprised i didn't need more help than i did [11:47]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell mod6 'tevye' the debian 7 rotor lives ! [11:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:47]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_: who's the author of this quote ? [11:48]
funkenstein_ from the orwel series [11:48]
pete_dushenski aha [11:50]
pete_dushenski which essay in particular ? [11:50]
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funkenstein_ Pleasure Spots - Orwell [11:50]
pete_dushenski cool. i'm currently wandering through 'inside the whale' [11:51]
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funkenstein_ wow that looks like a mega-review, consistent with his recommendation for book reviewers linked earlier :) [11:55]
funkenstein_ I must say the rotor is a software release like no other I have seen, yes very deterministic [11:55]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_ speaking of nothing, are you still blogging much ? and what was the name of your site again ? [11:57]
funkenstein_ perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this) [11:57]
pete_dushenski we never had it added to scoopbot_revived it seems. [11:57]
funkenstein_ I've been busy but got several pieces started and torn up ;) [11:57]
pete_dushenski from what i recall of it, i'd much rather read funkenstein_'s writings than this junk http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220877. as prophetic as this bit of ta was [11:58]
assbot Logged on 01-08-2015 15:05:18; scoopbot_revived: Short Term Update: headed to $255 https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/short-term-update-headed-to-255/ [11:58]
funkenstein_ I am hoping you will still be able to contravex us regulary even with new arrivals :) [11:59]
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funkenstein_ frass.woodcoin.org <-- another place I display my ignorance from time to time [11:59]
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punkman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings [12:03]
assbot Jazz Jennings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsKh3u ) [12:03]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell williamdunne can we see about having frass.woodcoin.org to scoopy's roster ? please and thanks [12:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:06]
williamdunne Yes [12:06]
pete_dushenski cheers [12:06]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_: i imagine that contravex posts will either become shorter or slightly less frequent, but we shall see [12:07]
pete_dushenski it may go back to the 2-3 per week it was in its first ~6 months before it ramped up to the current 4-5 per week [12:07]
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thestringpuller did anything come of this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969761 [12:09]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu:"The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts" [12:09]
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pete_dushenski "Imagine for a second that you see a great street juggler. He deserves a token of your appreciation. However instead of putting a hat out, he puts a sign up:" [12:10]
pete_dushenski "Thanks for your support! Please drive to E.Bumfuck, Ontario on Tuesday between 2 and 3 pm to make a donation, where we accept Disneyland Tickets or Hershey Park rain-date vouchers." [12:10]
pete_dushenski ^cute imagery [12:10]
punkman where;s that from [12:11]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_'s http://frass.woodcoin.org/musicians-publish-a-fucking-address-already/ [12:11]
assbot Musicians: Publish a fucking address already | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsL5pk ) [12:11]
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pete_dushenski http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet [12:26]
assbot Intel left a fascinating security flaw in its chips for 16 years – here's how to exploit it • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsN0tX ) [12:26]
pete_dushenski if this doesn't have you hunting the local classifieds for amd opterons and fxes, i dunno what will [12:27]
pete_dushenski "The good news is that Intel spotted the howler in its processor blueprints, and corrected the issue: chips built from January 2011 and onwards (Sandy Bridge Core CPUs and later) are not affected. " << highly suspicious [12:29]
pete_dushenski "old intel products like all old computing hardware is unsafe at any speed. please to upgrade to latest blackbox for maximal safety and suckoority" [12:30]
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pete_dushenski mhm. right. [12:30]
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scoopbot_revived A little bit of local research. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/13/a-little-bit-of-local-research/ [12:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237119 << howling idiocy. smm has been in the official docs, from intel and amd both, since 486. [12:41]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 15:26:25; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ << somehow hasn't made it in here yet [12:41]
pete_dushenski "When the Pentium Pro (a P6 family chip) arrived in 1995, Intel allowed kernel-level developers to reprogram the local APIC so that it would appear elsewhere in physical memory. This was handy for moving the local APIC out of the way of low-level software that expected to use that high 0xFEE00000 address for something else." [12:41]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: so amd is no cure for this nonsense ? and i'm guessing ppc is in the same boat ? [12:42]
asciilifeform which nonsense [12:42]
asciilifeform if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram [12:42]
asciilifeform including nothing at all [12:42]
asciilifeform likewise you can turn off all sources of smi (system managament interrupt) that put the machine in smm handler to begin with [12:42]
asciilifeform (ring0 code can still trigger smi by writing particular vendor-specific magic to the southbridge, but this is in no sense a vuln) [12:43]
phf also relevant https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole [12:44]
assbot xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsPhW3 ) [12:44]
pete_dushenski "So Domas looked through Intel's sample SMM code, which is provided to firmware vendors to bake into motherboards. It turns out that pretty much all vendors use Intel's template SMM code." [12:44]
asciilifeform the apic thing is also a snore, in the sense of NO SHIT anything that sits on the bus can read from arbitrary physical ram [12:44]
asciilifeform including, say, your ethernet card [12:45]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the typical application for smm is items like the screen brightness keys found on laptops [12:45]
pete_dushenski don't forget key brightness [12:46]
phf seems reminiscent of bios virii from back then. "if you boot this floopy..! well, no shit" [12:46]
asciilifeform where the cpu needs to do a certain brief chore in an os-agnostic way [12:46]
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asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l [12:57]
assbot Intel doubles its bounty for women and ethnic minorities • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsR4u7 ) [12:57]
pete_dushenski shinohai: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/12/serenissima-your-serenissma-2015/#comment-26215 [12:58]
assbot Serenissima Your Serenissma (2015) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRbpB ) [12:58]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237071 << congrats pete_dushenski ! [13:01]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 14:44:54; pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land ! [13:01]
pete_dushenski haha thanks :D [13:01]
asciilifeform anyone still remains who tried to build rotor, but could not ? [13:01]
asciilifeform hanbot ? [13:01]
pete_dushenski i am now a ~real~ man [13:02]
shinohai awesum [13:02]
pete_dushenski https://youtu.be/DDW4hTWbRYs?t=22m30s << 'to hunt is ~so~ much fun, it is a great feeling when you kill an animal. it make you feel like a ~real~ man.' [13:04]
assbot Borat's Guide to Britain - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRT69 ) [13:04]
pete_dushenski and with that, i'm off to have my weary joints and hulking muscles massaged good and proper. adieu ! [13:05]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237135 << so, i read the slides. 1) 20MB powerpoint pdf turd?!!! wtf, people. 2) the picture which implies priv escalation is disingenuous. there is, just as i said earlier, no esclation. you gotta be in ring0 to move the apic window. NONE OF THIS SHIT WAS SECRET, how did they even get a talking slot at 'blackhat' ? [13:19]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 15:43:43; phf: also relevant https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sinkhole [13:19]
* BingoBoingo has a feeling asciilifeform could be the entire speaker slate at blackhat with things known since time immemorial. A few years ago I thought things being presented were novel. Now I look at the program and see loads of snore. [13:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: one reason for this change is that ~actual~ exploits are (or are at least now thought to be) worth money. [13:24]
phf asciilifeform: i think that's a standard blackhat fair. i think the useful part is another cubbyhole to put rootkit fallback hooks, but it's presented like an earth shattering revelation, because [13:24]
BingoBoingo Seems people finally got the memo that if you find it you can sell it. [13:25]
asciilifeform phf: except that my fucking ~~~486~~~ reference manual describes smm [13:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it [13:25]
asciilifeform here's an observation: [13:26]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it << You have well founded suspicions of what happens to the unannoited who sell [13:26]
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asciilifeform vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market' [13:26]
asciilifeform where thousands of disposable 19-year-olds fight for a chance to publicly measure their cocks [13:27]
asciilifeform while giving the goods away for almost nothing [13:27]
asciilifeform but what they have really succeeded in is creating a 'fuck-you market' [13:27]
asciilifeform where plenty of folks just sit on the goods, 'because fuck you' [13:27]
asciilifeform it isn't even because i expect to meet up with folks who pay the 'fair price' at some future time, [13:31]
asciilifeform but simply because scorched earth. [13:31]
phf i think you have higher expectation of what should be coming out of security conferences. toorcon, schmoocon, defcon, blackhat (though i always though bh is like a grownup version) always seemed like a poc||gtfo in a face-to-face with beer format [13:31]
asciilifeform phf: there was, at one time, considerably less flavour of scammitude and in-your-face lying [13:32]
asciilifeform also fewer 'eiffel towers built of matchsticks' - elaborately labyrinthine 'rube goldberg' machines, like the last third of that slide deck, which ultimately sum to 'i read a 486 manual taken from a dumpster' [13:33]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the way it presently works is that the seller is at the total mercy of the buyer. disposable 19y.o. puts up with this because he is fucked in the head. a grown man - typically - does not [13:35]
phf when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negative desire to come up with systemati [13:37]
phf c solutions that address problems at the core [13:37]
asciilifeform for the record, i have never attended such an event [13:38]
asciilifeform but occasionally read the slides, at the instigation of colleagues and various other folks [13:38]
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asciilifeform it is virtually always the same kind of thing. [13:38]
asciilifeform the point i was trying to make is that: i hypothesize that the '0day market' consists very largely of folks who are sitting on 0day and not 'marketing' at all [13:39]
asciilifeform because they are not 19 [13:39]
asciilifeform and/or do not want to give aid and comfort to usg. [13:40]
BingoBoingo Makes sense [13:40]
asciilifeform a simple calculation shows that - unless one is extraordinarily lucky - the effort which goes into finding a typical vuln, vs the typical 'bug bounty' offered by, e.g., microshit, works out to approximately u.s. minimum wage. [13:42]
phf i dunno, i think people sit on a lot of denial of service, but developing that to a working exploit takes time and unhealthy level of juvenile ocd. [13:42]
asciilifeform phf: perhaps my perspective is a little skewed because i do hardware. [13:42]
BingoBoingo Related http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-11056 [13:43]
assbot Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKQ5Er ) [13:43]
mats there is no systematic solution to be had [13:44]
mats just shrinking the attack surface a bit. [13:44]
phf i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway. [13:44]
asciilifeform phf: this labour is traditionally contracted out, aha [13:45]
asciilifeform i know a fellow who used to work in one of those farms [13:45]
asciilifeform they didn't even 'clearance' the slaves, as this costs far too much and eats into the margins [13:45]
asciilifeform he was in his early 20s, iirc, and it was an upgrade from driving truck, so looked like a good job. [13:46]
phf hehehe [13:46]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237194 << solution to what ? [13:47]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 16:43:50; mats: there is no systematic solution to be had [13:47]
mats the problems phf speaks of, which I imagine are endemic vulns in software [13:49]
asciilifeform there is always the obvious solution. [13:49]
mats burn the thing to the ground, I know [13:49]
phf mats: there's a systematic solution to an entire class of problems. in the poor people world perl "solved" buffer overflows on string input by closing the abstraction leak, meanwhile introducing its own leaky abstraction, i.e. string injection attacks. the solution to that problem was known for 50 years now, specifically structured/validated data [13:49]
asciilifeform (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines) [13:49]
asciilifeform the ultimate systemic solution is 'fits-in-head' [13:50]
mats as I think more about it, there may yet be a software solution... will share later. asciilifeform will not like it - this involves, inevitably, a multitude of mitigations [14:04]
asciilifeform 'mitigations' in which we can make plenty of (imaginary) money digging for holes in, aha [14:05]
asciilifeform good times. [14:05]
phf ^ [14:05]
mats this is the ship we got, and its underway. for those on it, the holes must be plugged; we cannot return to port and build anew [14:06]
asciilifeform mats: plenty of islands to take your chances on. [14:07]
asciilifeform sinking on the ship is - voluntary. [14:07]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237091 << if you recall, this was my original (~6 mo. ago) suggestion for how to do development on therealbitcoin. but a number of folks (chiefly mircea_popescu) did not like it. for entirely logical reasons [14:20]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 14:56:38; funkenstein_: perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this) [14:20]
asciilifeform then again, 99% of the time spent by folks who aren't me, thus far, appears to have been spent chasing various annoying little misconfigurations [14:21]
asciilifeform but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd. [14:22]
phf a deployment strategy in that case could be qemu-x86 -hda bitcoind.img -hdb /dev/blockchain_drive [14:23]
asciilifeform slow. [14:23]
asciilifeform this was to have been for ~development~ only. [14:23]
asciilifeform (compile would be 50x slower, yes. but only compile.) [14:24]
phf add OP_SIGVERIFY as an intel instruction :) [14:24]
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asciilifeform ew [14:25]
phf turdels all the way down [14:25]
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asciilifeform !up Belxjander [15:31]
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asciilifeform Belxjander: AmigaOS ?! [15:31]
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mats anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI [15:36]
mats this works better than suggesting folks write code in ocaml, erlang, haskell, etc... [15:37]
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mats and more reasonable than casting sailors to islands filled with savages [15:37]
asciilifeform holy fuck is mats telling us now that winblowz can be lived with ? [15:39]
mats i didn't say that. but _the cost of attack can still be substantially increased_ [15:40]
asciilifeform the cost of dredging up an 0day from the infinite stash of stuxnetiana is still zero (for usg) [15:40]
asciilifeform regardless of whether folks run 'lint' or whatnot on their own shit. [15:40]
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mats we have fences nao. but, what if 萬里長城 can be had? [15:41]
asciilifeform l0 [15:42]
asciilifeform l [15:42]
mats dunno man. maybe i'm lost in the matrix. [15:42]
asciilifeform did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' ! [15:42]
asciilifeform why not maginot line! [15:42]
mats hey, i've maintained that its about increasing cost. not preventing the barbarians from entering. [15:43]
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asciilifeform mats: ever play 'underhanded c contest' ? [15:45]
asciilifeform (or at least read the medalists' entries) [15:45]
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mats yes, have read [15:45]
asciilifeform how many of these would be caught by, e.g., 'cyclone' ? [15:45]
asciilifeform or whatever your favourite c tool was [15:45]
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mats not many. [15:47]
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asciilifeform ergo 'mitigation' is medicine for a corpse. [15:48]
asciilifeform now, if some schmuck wants to pay you to administer medicine to a corpse, go ahead. [15:48]
asciilifeform but to advocate it as some kind of actual state of the art, is another thing. [15:49]
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mats well, sure. like a detective or a physician, folks attempting to write secure applications begin from a position of weakness. and rarely win. [15:51]
asciilifeform mortician. [15:51]
mats there are criminals to catch and people to save, regardless [15:52]
asciilifeform http://www.coindesk.com/itbit-adds-nsa-veteran-to-advisory-board << mega-l0l [15:52]
assbot ItBit Adds NSA Veteran to Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfuYxx ) [15:52]
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asciilifeform mats: folks who begin from 'mitigation' position, cannot win by definition. they aren't even trying to. just to 'lose more slowly' [15:53]
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asciilifeform usg's most effective weapon is the learned helplessness of schmucks who accept 'being pwned is inevitable fact of life' [15:54]
asciilifeform see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774691 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774692 [15:55]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will s [15:55]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: sheath, you have traded places with the *pederasti* - now you are sighted, and they are blind. Now you no longer struggle in the darkness with something foggy and omnipresent, which softly absorbs every blow - instead, you can now clearly make out a pathetic piece of shit, which has smeared itself over the most important part - the eyes - of a large and powerful man. You can now deal b [15:55]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.) [15:55]
phf не верь не бойся не проси [15:56]
asciilifeform pocket-sized version of same. [15:56]
asciilifeform the poor english folks have not invented this technology yet. so gotta teach'em. [15:56]
asciilifeform slow, painful process, like teaching the water closet to india. [15:57]
asciilifeform it has to start out as an abstract 'don't shit in your drinking water' [15:57]
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phf mats: well, i actually meant the opposite. classes of attacks can be eliminated by not using c. i think that majority of the attacks come from leaky abstractions. there's no in c, but there's a null terminated memory region. there's no in perl, but there's a character array with sql text in it. one of the solutions is to plug abstraction holes on a level of the language, in such a way that you can't not use improved abstractions [16:01]
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phf e.g. sql_execute takes character arrays. if your sql_execute took ASTs instead, well, in that case you can't violate the assumptions of the abstraction [16:02]
phf traditional infosec solution to problems like that is a proactive bandaid and then yelling at people for not using bandaid appropriately [16:03]
mircea_popescu phf iirc this theory was variously tried and failed to deliver. [16:03]
mircea_popescu it turns out that the sort of people who write good code write it in asm for a z80 or in c [16:03]
mircea_popescu and the rest can not be mechanically helped. [16:03]
phf in the sql example, it's sql_execute('select * from ' + sql_var_sanitize(variable)). naturally people keep forgetting the sql_var_sanitize [16:04]
mircea_popescu so the solution remains to plug the holes in the heads. either alf style, with bullets, or else wot style, or somehow unknown yet. [16:04]
mircea_popescu but there's nothing "naturally" about stupidity. [16:04]
mircea_popescu do people naturally forget to breathe ? [16:04]
asciilifeform and it isn't as if we don't have history to learn from. [16:05]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/3gus46/did_anyone_take_mircea_popescus_offer_hed_need/ << reddit has circlejerk. somehow it fails to read "oh shit, if only we had any money then. or now" and isntead reads "oh how mp is bad mkay" [16:05]
assbot Did anyone take Mircea Popescu's offer? He'd need more than 25000 BTC to settle his bet now... : ethtrader ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfxx2J ) [16:05]
asciilifeform i was playing with a hp200lx, it is orders of magnitude more responsive than 'iPnohe' etc. for note taking, text editing, spreadshits, etc [16:06]
asciilifeform and runs msdos, even. complete with xmm! [16:06]
asciilifeform pair of 'aa' cells runs it for a MONTH [16:06]
asciilifeform and doesn't crash. [16:06]
mircea_popescu but i liked the part about "he abandoned twitter so is no longer reachable" [16:07]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the top google result for i will pay for your tits is still me. [16:07]
ag3nt_zer0 good afternoon [16:07]
mircea_popescu ello [16:07]
asciilifeform 'I sort of hope she crashed and burned on this one..' [16:07]
asciilifeform l0l, we all knew! [16:08]
asciilifeform hanbot you can turn off the android now [16:08]
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mircea_popescu kids today. a myopic. [16:08]
asciilifeform we learned the seekrit. [16:08]
mircea_popescu waitwut ? [16:08]
asciilifeform the 'mircea is a gurl' meme lives on, in that thread [16:09]
ag3nt_zer0 asciilifeform: a while back we were having an exchange about tienanmen and it's relation (or non) to the fall of the wall... I have looked a bit in the direction you indicated but haven't found so much... you got any rcommended paths for that ? [16:09]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: learn ru or mandarin [16:09]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: srsly. [16:09]
mircea_popescu lol [16:09]
mats tiananmen sq literally does not matter to anybody but english readers [16:09]
phf mircea_popescu: yeah, i've not reevaluated it since the last time i thought it, which was 2005 or so [16:09]
asciilifeform (if you are specifically interested in cn matters, mandarin. if you just want to unplug from the idiot anglo cultural matrix, ru.) [16:10]
mircea_popescu phf don't get me wrong, i'd love for it to work. i'd also love for the "not beating kids makes them smarter" and "all education should consist of is encouragement" nonsense to work. [16:10]
mircea_popescu was fashionable (in russia, too) coupla decades ago. [16:10]
mircea_popescu sadly... [16:10]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 you have to understand that this entire "market" thing is more of a DoS thing than a local thing. there isn't a substantial similarity between ukraina and china that makes both appear in the press you read as "so and so square". [16:11]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: it matters to cn only in the sense that your body killing a particular bacterium you ate last night matters to you. [16:11]
mircea_popescu the notion that people in china dislike their government to any degree is not unlike claiming that there's going to be a peasant revolt that'll shoot stalin', where stalin' = stalin - 99.9% of the killings. [16:12]
mircea_popescu it's rank nonsense, they love it (perhaps for good reason) like you love washington. [16:12]
asciilifeform usg tried to 'orange revolution', failed. tries again every day since. [16:12]
ag3nt_zer0 haha [16:12]
mircea_popescu but re the languages thing : both ru and cn have ~their own~ idiot matrices. [16:14]
phf mircea_popescu: my russian education was downright abusive by u.s. standards. or you're talking eton style mandatory beatings? [16:14]
mircea_popescu so no : you can not be mechanically helped. [16:14]
asciilifeform cn, like ru, has plenty of experience (which arguably neither ever fully recovered from!) of being ruled by foreign yoke [16:14]
mircea_popescu phf no no, i dunno if you ever met these or not, but [16:15]
mircea_popescu right after the 90s these "englightened" folks started to pop up, usually looking just like steve jobs [16:15]
mircea_popescu with betterment ideas and whatnot. [16:15]
mircea_popescu this communicate anything ? [16:15]
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mircea_popescu it was almost like a cult, of sorts. [16:15]
mircea_popescu one of the fringes of "intellectual" throughout the period. [16:16]
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phf no, my school was ran by a strong georgian woman pretty much on her terms. 35A 35B starting classes were reduced to 12A 15B by 12th grade, through gentle "your kid is just not right for this place. i suggest you remove him, because it might get very HARD for him to study here very soon" [16:18]
mircea_popescu well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools" [16:19]
mircea_popescu the societal consensus being at the time that "to the best worker belong the best tools" [16:19]
* asciilifeform was always envious of his elder brother, who did all ten grades in the proper school. [16:19]
mircea_popescu this was a major thought cleavage, which i noticed at the time, and i noticed that people were actually visibly... peculiar about other things. [16:19]
ag3nt_zer0 okay thanks for the byzantine feedback [16:19]
* asciilifeform did all but two grades in the land of mordor [16:19]
mircea_popescu but maybe just my anecdote [16:19]
ag3nt_zer0 I wouldn't want it any other way [16:20]
mircea_popescu to my eyes what separates these is a major chasm. [16:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237000 << how's this different from being affraid of being gay ? [16:21]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 09:36:42; cazalla: guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave [16:21]
mircea_popescu poor old guy, gets isolated because people are getting incredibly weirder, and then when he tries to break out that's grounds for further isolation ? [16:21]
mircea_popescu roast a fuckjing rabbit take it over or something sane. [16:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237014 << whiole that lasts. [16:23]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 09:59:16; shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible. [16:23]
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asciilifeform well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools" << now, if it were simply a matter of strength and weakness, one could argue that 'more folks could dig well with bulldozer than with spade' [16:23]
asciilifeform but it isn't [16:23]
asciilifeform it is really a matter of 'malicious twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade' [16:24]
mircea_popescu maybe not that far, but certainly in between the two. [16:24]
asciilifeform illustration of overall direction. [16:24]
mircea_popescu how about [16:24]
mircea_popescu 'malignant twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade' [16:25]
mircea_popescu i can see that. [16:25]
mircea_popescu bbs [16:25]
ag3nt_zer0 on another note I was doing some reading on the history of astrology yesterday and came across the "fact" that originally, in mesopotamia, what became astrology began as a simple catalog of omens, reflected in "if this, then that" statements... this avenue was state-sponsered too... just got me thinking of the "evolution" of this logic and how these same statements are now applied to exclusively reductionist pragmatic mat [16:26]
asciilifeform for instance, when my brother was a uni student and took 'operating systems', they were stuck testing on actual 486 and reboot, reboot, 500 times a day with precious little meaningful output [16:26]
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asciilifeform when i was, decade later, we had proper emulator [16:26]
asciilifeform imagine, i thought, what an advance, you can finally emulate a proper pc on itself [16:26]
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asciilifeform what bug could survive [16:26]
asciilifeform but no such thing, of course, ever happened. [16:26]
asciilifeform instead emulator (and, more often, its optimized sibling, virtualizator) is used to host ten thousand instances of lolcat server on one poor intel box [16:27]
phf mircea_popescu: i see the parallels, yeah i was insulated from that sort of mentality, but i was also insulated from the stupid and the lazy [16:27]
phf the idea that "would do better job with better tools" applies very differently when you're dealing with people who are already operating at near capacity and would benefit from a better tool [16:28]
asciilifeform ^ [16:28]
asciilifeform my entire blog, all ~7+ years of it, is about this. [16:28]
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jurov https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11305478975/in/album-72157638544764936/ lol [16:43]
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mats http://blog.exodusintel.com/2015/08/13/stagefright-mission-accomplished [17:16]
assbot Stagefright: Mission Accomplished? | Exodus Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnLhqW ) [17:16]
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mats if you're the guy pissing double digit share orders in the mpoe book, you suck [17:20]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237379 << l0l! [17:25]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 20:15:56; mats: http://blog.exodusintel.com/2015/08/13/stagefright-mission-accomplished [17:25]
asciilifeform 'In summary, the Stagefright disclosure process was an interesting one to observe. The (un)surprising outcome being that given all the exposure this vulnerability received combined with essentially infinite resources on the vendor side, effective security mitigations were still not deployed.' [17:25]
mats project0 too busy chasing the sexy bugs [17:26]
asciilifeform 'Despite our notification (and their confirmation), Google is still currently distributing the faulty patch to Android devices via OTA updates.' [17:27]
asciilifeform Run Moar Turdroid ! [17:27]
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asciilifeform 'For example, if a malicious MP4 is crafted with a chunk_size of 0x1ffffffff (notice this is larger than a 32-bit value) the faulty overflow check will be bypassed because chunk_size > SIZE_MAX. Next, chunk_size is added to size. If size is any value greater than 0, an integer overflow will occur. If, for instance, size is 1, the addition will result in a value of 0x200000000, which is larger than a 32-bit value. The following [17:32]
asciilifeform call to the new operator will truncate that value down to fit into a 32-bit integer, thus allocating an undersized buffer. Subsequently, chunk_size worth of data is read into this undersized buffer. Even if the value is truncated to 32-bits, the function will still read 0xFFFFFFFF bytes into the buffer, leading to a heap overflow...' [17:32]
asciilifeform aaaaand i'm still a loonie for calling for, among other things, a cpu with hardware bounds checking. [17:32]
asciilifeform y'know, like they had in 1978. [17:32]
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asciilifeform the less room for 'oops', the harder it is for scoundrels to masquerade as imbeciles. [17:33]
asciilifeform (mircea_popescu's eternal question re: why do we have imbeciles programming computers is a valid but separate question) [17:33]
mats race ya to the bottom. [17:35]
* trinque adjusts his tin foil hat [17:37]
trinque the amount of time it takes to "fix" things like this is... notable [17:37]
trinque stuxnet patch, same [17:37]
asciilifeform trinque: afaik, stuxnet ~still~ works [17:37]
trinque yeah, that's what I've read [17:38]
asciilifeform would be interesting to learn how it contacts the apparently-dead c&c boxes [17:38]
asciilifeform prolly reroute of traffic out of .ir at the backbone [17:38]
asciilifeform to 'magic' routes [17:38]
trinque interesting thought [17:39]
asciilifeform where the old hosts still resolve to something working [17:39]
asciilifeform (alternatively, vuln is kept alive for some nth-generation revised variant that never lost contact) [17:39]
mats i met a guy that took abacus classes and placed p high at competitions in junior high [17:42]
mats he did a buncha 3x5 (digit) calculations for me to prove he could do it, i was impressed [17:42]
asciilifeform nobody cancelled abacus. [17:42]
asciilifeform but a decent stage magician can do 3x5 mentally in a few sec. [17:43]
asciilifeform (digits) [17:43]
mats in his head, mind you: i spat out e.g. 253 * 35923 and it took him ~3s to give me an answer [17:43]
asciilifeform aha then [17:43]
trinque I'll take a machine for that [17:43]
mats wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering [17:43]
asciilifeform !s trachtenberg [17:44]
assbot 4 results for 'trachtenberg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trachtenberg [17:44]
asciilifeform ^ one source [17:44]
mats saved [17:44]
trinque alt-T py 253*35923 [17:45]
trinque probably ~3sec [17:45]
kakobrekla hm when i was a kid a had a base2 wrist watch [17:47]
kakobrekla it wasnt long before pattern recognition kicked in [17:47]
kakobrekla and i wasnt doing any more math. [17:48]
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trinque yeah, I had a hex clock on my taskbar for a bit [17:53]
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trinque why? probably nothing more than social signaling... "omg s0 1337" [17:54]
kakobrekla to impress the gurlz! [17:55]
trinque lol, ey girl check out my leet hax [17:56]
trinque *panties disintegrate* [17:56]
kakobrekla mhm [17:56]
* asciilifeform invites somebody to try retesting a phuctored key, e.g., http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279 [18:05]
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asciilifeform ^ this change is unfortunately necessary. [18:06]
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trinque bwahaha assbot askin for smokes?! [18:29]
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BingoBoingo Equalitits http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article31009581.html [19:04]
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phf начальник, папароски не найдется [19:59]
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mircea_popescu ahh [21:05]
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mircea_popescu overheard in #eulora : the middle road is shit [21:22]
mircea_popescu win. [21:22]
mircea_popescu media cacorea. [21:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237047 << purely formal approach to life. about at the level of intellectual maturity of pubers that scribble down their name + sexual interest's. [21:26]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 14:02:03; asciilifeform: wtf is the point. [21:26]
mircea_popescu it... DOES SOMETHING [21:26]
mircea_popescu if you draw hearts or explosions or w/e around it, even better/ [21:26]
mircea_popescu obviously once rigurous education is abandoned, the whole of society reverts to a "tribe of monkeys" levels. [21:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237054 << i thought you were a reverse engineering hacker, what scammery is is this! [21:27]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 14:06:12; asciilifeform: i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with. [21:27]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237078 << "humans are not animals" is in the vein of "crickets are not bugs - they also sing." [21:29]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 14:46:10; funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it? [21:29]
mircea_popescu there's an elided [just] in there, which the illiterately-literate have no idea about. [21:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete. [21:33]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 15:41:57; asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram [21:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237144 << this is so retarded. so if i'm in the business of selling 0 days i better hire anothr white man to keep a stable of enslaved african women to provide me with for the purpose of arbitraging this insanity ? [21:34]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 15:56:51; asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/intel_pays_double_for_women_and_ethnic_minorities << mega-l0l [21:34]
mircea_popescu why is the usg so insistent in pushing its "private" agencies into forcing slavery on random people ? [21:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up. [21:36]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 16:25:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it [21:36]
mircea_popescu we can even have a "usg affiliated entities pay 4x, people not in wot pay 2x." [21:37]
mircea_popescu can be cummulative. [21:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237179 << i am broadly in agreement with him. last time i went to one there was a pr&modelling conference nearby and i ended up just hanging out with the gals. [21:39]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 16:37:05; phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and pr [21:39]
mircea_popescu decade+ ago [21:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237196 << this is completely imaginary. the nsa can't hire enough talent to keep its own systems running safely. printing money does not help in any sense, if they got a 10x budget approved they't just pay the same people within maybe 5% ~8-9x more. [21:41]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 16:44:22; phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway. [21:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237208 << this is homomorphic to "exclude everyone currently involved". [21:43]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 16:49:27; asciilifeform: (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines) [21:43]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237221 << upside is massive but hard to quantify. upside is that we HAVE FOUND THE HOLES IN GCC! upside is that we know what to say about linux, and why we're saying it. upside is that we have rotor, and that we know why nobody without a rotor has a chance. upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you". [21:45]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 17:21:57; asciilifeform: but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd. [21:45]
mircea_popescu just like the upside of picking sane girls to fuck isn't "that hot blondie" but "i fucked over a thousand women in my life, most of whose names i don't remember, and yet i never had a venereal disease". that's the upside. [21:45]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237238 << it is particularly NOT possible to kill memory corruption in C. [21:47]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 18:36:18; mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI [21:47]
mircea_popescu there's all sorts of ways to make you feel better about it, tho. [21:47]
mircea_popescu wanli changcheng omfg so THIS is how it feels when people use languages you don't know. [21:49]
mircea_popescu sucks. [21:49]
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mircea_popescu think about it mats : if great wall "can't be had", if the statement is correct, there's something fundamentally wrong not merely with your fences, but with the idea of making one and more importantly with the process that results in this perceived need. [21:50]
mircea_popescu there's a reason people who only have sewer water don't take hot baths in it. [21:50]
mircea_popescu if you can't have clean water, not only is it that you can't take a hot bath - it's that you couldn't conceivably want to. [21:51]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237249 << iirc, the idea wasn';t that it'll keep anyone out. it was that it'll keep the invaders IN long enough, especially if loaded with booty, to make the whole thing impracticable. [21:53]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 18:42:04; asciilifeform: did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' ! [21:53]
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mircea_popescu in the sense that yes they could come out of ANYWHERe, and make a hole anywhere, but then had to spend time to loot, and then had to come back AT THE HOLE, ie not anywhere. so either take time to make a new hole or go back to where the old one was. in either case, giving the imperial army enough time to plug their ass. [21:55]
mircea_popescu or well... at least in times when the imperial administration was any good. [21:58]
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mircea_popescu and omg where is everyone [22:05]
mircea_popescu are you partying without me ? [22:05]
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shinohai ;;later tell mod6 gentoo was a sucess o/ [22:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:07]
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mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237505 << yes. you are the first white person i have encountered that knows this [22:13]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 00:53:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237249 << iirc, the idea wasn';t that it'll keep anyone out. it was that it'll keep the invaders IN long enough, especially if loaded with booty, to make the whole thing impracticable. [22:13]
mircea_popescu well it's spreading now :p [22:15]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237476 << unlike, e.g., bitcoin, coreboot is deadly easy to build [22:16]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete. [22:16]
asciilifeform actually resembles 'buildroot' and the grandfather, naturally - linux kernel [22:16]
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asciilifeform (complete with ncurses menuconfig) [22:16]
mircea_popescu this does not matter. [22:17]
asciilifeform just about everything there is to say about it would fit in a paragraph... let's see: [22:17]
asciilifeform 1) their www has a list of boards known to work (and ones that don't, with brief statements of ~why~) [22:17]
mircea_popescu take the useful part out of the enemy's tendency to sit in front of things. there is actual value in the "do X, do Y, do Z, you're now done" list. [22:18]
asciilifeform 2) the job of the thing is to init the box as quickly as possible and get the fuck out of the way [22:18]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237275 << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea+asked+you+anything || that thinbg where alf discusses the actual meaning of "who're you" which i can't now find. [22:18]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2015 18:55:34; phf: не верь не бойся не проси [22:18]
assbot 5 results for 'from:mircea asked you anything' - #bitcoin-assets search [22:18]
asciilifeform 3) you can insert an arbitrary binary as payload. the most traditional payload is another item called 'seabios', which emulates typical pc bios and can even boot winblowz [22:18]
asciilifeform !s кто ты по жизни [22:19]
assbot 0 results for 'кто ты по жизни' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE+%D1%82%D1%8B+%D0%BF%D0%BE+%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8 [22:19]
mircea_popescu odd huh [22:19]
asciilifeform aha! [22:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in other news - they've made a new extra dark chocolate icecream. i can't explain it. [22:21]
asciilifeform woah [22:21]
* asciilifeform wantz [22:21]
mircea_popescu goes especially well cherry cream. [22:21]
asciilifeform mm. [22:21]
asciilifeform re: earlier thread: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Motherboards_supported_in_coreboot [22:22]
assbot Supported Motherboards - coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3uZ14 ) [22:22]
asciilifeform to this i will add that pretty much anything with an amd on it will run. [22:22]
asciilifeform and virtually nothing with an even moderately recent intel - will. [22:22]
asciilifeform and by 'run' i mean properly, honest-to-goodness run. with all the peripherals working. [22:23]
asciilifeform if you have a reasonably spacious (e.g., 8MB) eeprom, you can cram your favourite linux kernel right in there as payload [22:24]
asciilifeform and dispense with 'seabios' etc [22:24]
asciilifeform after that, a clever and patient man will take a pair of snippy-cutters [22:24]
asciilifeform and snip the write-enable leg off. [22:24]
* assbot gives voice to thestringpuller [22:25]
asciilifeform (don't leave it floating, pull the stump to the supply rail (it is typically active-low. consult data sheet!)) [22:25]
asciilifeform if more patient still, wire it to a front-panel switch. [22:25]
asciilifeform not rocket surgery. [22:25]
asciilifeform http://www.thingaweak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/switches_closeup.jpg [22:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3vf04 ) [22:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237481 << this is more difficult than mircea_popescu might appreciate. for one thing, i do hardware, where merely the ~fact of~ a usable hole existing is half the secret - once you say, credibly, folks know precisely where to look; the other half of it is that i am in the wot neither of folks buying nor of folks brokering; and the third 'half' is that any attempt at this will hav [22:29]
asciilifeform e to wait for my physical jailbreak from usaschwitz.. [22:29]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 00:36:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up. [22:29]
gernika FYI OpenBSD w/o db patch wedged at 367850 [22:30]
asciilifeform mega-unsurprise [22:31]
mircea_popescu 1 is readily surmountable by abstraction. i know how to do this. (you may think you are the first to meet the problem - you are not. scripts are sold in show biz all the time etc). 2. is readily solved, whether you like to or not, and 3 yes. [22:31]
asciilifeform gernika: precisely where it will sit, forever, until you patch it! [22:31]
gernika Patching... [22:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd be delighted to learn how 2 is solved. but the full story can wait for 3 if you like [22:32]
mircea_popescu quite. [22:32]
* asciilifeform more than content to wait to learn how to fly a carpet until he actually gets the carpet. [22:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what was the pdf to text tool ? [22:34]
asciilifeform 'pdf2txt.py' on this box [22:35]
asciilifeform came with gentoo package 'pdfminer' iirc [22:35]
asciilifeform there may be others [22:35]
asciilifeform there is 'pdf2html' but it shits out a massive dir with html index and gif pages [22:36]
asciilifeform (rides on ghostscript. any box you run it on, you may as well use a traditional displayer) [22:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you" << aha. precisely this. [22:37]
asciilifeform i try to explain this point to folks and nearly always fail [22:37]
asciilifeform 'you walked, anybody can walk' 'fine. go and walk back. through the same minefield' [22:38]
trinque right, try getting someone to pay for all the bugs you didn't put in their software [22:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237496 << not without turning your 'c' into a 'half-finished bug-ridden reimplementation of ada' [22:39]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 00:46:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237238 << it is particularly NOT possible to kill memory corruption in C. [22:39]
asciilifeform (see, e.g., 'cyclone') [22:39]
asciilifeform and not then, either. [22:39]
mircea_popescu not even yeah [22:39]
mircea_popescu it really isn't what it's for. [22:39]
asciilifeform for massage only. [22:39]
asciilifeform the attempts of folks who tried to 'kill mem corruption in c' are a lulzmine of their own. [22:40]
mircea_popescu ^ [22:41]
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mircea_popescu that said, static allocation goes a long way. this connects to the "fixed time" discussion re rsa yest. [22:43]
mircea_popescu specifically - the cheapest and most effective approach to security still is and remains "giving people an easier task". chief on the list of ways to achieve this, [22:43]
mircea_popescu stop asking them to do any sort of "optimization"./ [22:43]
asciilifeform this saves you from leakage but not from corruption (you just trade heap overflow for stack if you fuckup!) [22:43]
mircea_popescu "this program takes as much memory torun at all as it totally employs". "this program takes as much time to run every time as it takes the longest time" etc. [22:44]
mircea_popescu yes, no sort of hard solution by any means. [22:44]
asciilifeform but yes, when this is physically possible, it is done. in any safety-critical system [22:44]
mircea_popescu right. [22:44]
asciilifeform i'm also fond of cramming things in rom [22:44]
asciilifeform go overwrite, aha. [22:45]
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asciilifeform phun phakt: 'romcc' exists. http://www.h-online.com/open/features/About-ROMCC-and-V3-746827.html [22:45]
assbot About ROMCC and V3 - The H Open: News and Features ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7qPK3 ) [22:45]
asciilifeform (thingie which lets you build a c proggy for, i shit thee not, ~stackless+heapless~ machine. as in 0 bytes of addressable ram) [22:47]
asciilifeform regs only. [22:47]
asciilifeform (naturally it is a bit of a constricted subset of the language) [22:47]
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trinque btw, my ex-gf had no trouble with the gentoo guide aside from asking me about the definitions of a few terms [23:09]
trinque n6: wherever you are, take note... following orders gets ya places [23:10]
mod6 trinque: nice! [23:10]
mod6 thank your ex-gf for me ;) [23:10]
trinque heh will do [23:11]
trinque and she says thanks for the guide [23:11]
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mod6 cool. glad she tested it for us. [23:11]
trinque her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program" [23:11]
trinque I told her that was exactly the right ordering of the two [23:12]
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trinque I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens [23:13]
trinque watch her end up lapping me [23:13]
mats why not sicp [23:13]
trinque actually I misspoke, put The Little Schemer in her hands first [23:14]
trinque so you're right, scheme's a good choice [23:14]
trinque oh hey, this is cool https://xuanji.appspot.com/isicp/ [23:17]
assbot Interactive SICP ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb0ej1 ) [23:17]
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trinque http://sicp.shithouse.tv/ [23:26]
assbot sicp ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb15Ak ) [23:26]
mircea_popescu !up Asenath [23:27]
-assbot- You voiced Asenath for 30 minutes. [23:27]
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mats there doesn't appear to be anything actually interactive there [23:28]
mod6 Well, unless you count submitting the answers to the exercises. [23:29]
trinque mats: https://xuanji.appspot.com/isicp/1-1-elements.html [23:29]
assbot iSICP 1.1 - The Elements of Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb1mTL ) [23:29]
mats oh. i was expecting some kind of output [23:29]
mod6 And it looks like you can take notes or something [23:29]
trinque the examples are editable [23:29]
trinque and you have to click outside the editor box, which is lame [23:30]
mod6 Oh, i didn't notice you could actually edit the examples. neat. [23:30]
mod6 oh i just deleted a ')', im screwed. [23:30]
mircea_popescu lawl [23:31]
trinque mod6: here ya go ) [23:31]
mod6 thx trinque ;] [23:31]
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gernika Does it take a while to get past 367850? Or might I still be stuck... [23:34]
mod6 do you have the maxint_locks_corrected patch applied? [23:36]
gernika mod6 I applied asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch [23:38]
gernika and rebuilt, yes [23:38]
mod6 ok, good deal. just let it do its thing. [23:39]
mod6 if start to see repeating errors in debug.log let us know. [23:39]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237609 << let me know if you discover either of these. i've always wanted. [23:46]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 02:11:19; trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program" [23:46]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237612 << if you think therealbitcoin without rotor is rough, you haven't tried common lisp without emacs+slime... [23:47]
assbot Logged on 14-08-2015 02:12:38; trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens [23:47]
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asciilifeform i suspect that 99% of folks who think they 'hate lisp!111!!111' were created by the harmful delusion that any meaningful work can be done without emacs+slime or the exact equivalent [23:48]
asciilifeform (asking folks to, e.g., match parens or indent by hand is ~retarded~) [23:49]
asciilifeform ^ or to program in cl without a button that evaluates the current set of parens your cursor is in [23:49]
asciilifeform or 101 other essential knobs [23:50]
asciilifeform yes, ancestors did not have these. they also lacked water closet. [23:50]
trinque asciilifeform: told her as much, lol! right question! sadly, only horribly approximate answers [23:50]
trinque I've walked her through setting up both emacs and slime [23:51]
trinque she's rather sharp, taking to it well [23:51]
asciilifeform in other news, filipinos hard at wurk! >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gutfp/if_youre_not_running_a_node_youre_not_really/ [23:52]
assbot "If you're not running a node, you're not really using Bitcoin." u/luke-jr : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fb3nPT ) [23:52]
asciilifeform 'I admit there is value in running a node/mining, but certainly a community that claims to favor freedom should have the ability (and courage) to welcome a diverse range of users, even if they don't meet some arbitrary standard set by an elitist insider.' [23:52]
asciilifeform i can't wait for one of these tards to accidentally publish his madlibs template [23:52]
asciilifeform like those comment sp4mz0rz on mircea_popescu's site [23:53]
trinque tyranny! [23:53]
trinque o mai gad [23:53]
mircea_popescu onoes, happenings happen ? [23:53]
asciilifeform '...redefining "bitcoin user" so that less than 1% of bitcoin holders are anointed as 'Real Users'. Enough already. It smells like tyranny, it looks like tyranny - it IS tyranny. And Bitcoin, more than any other community, should overthrow these flawed attempts at governance. Where a minority holds the rest hostage.' [23:53]
asciilifeform pure gold [23:53]
mircea_popescu "Remember, bitcoin works through consensus by code. Not consensus by CODERS." [23:54]
mircea_popescu except no, it doesn't. but anyway. [23:54]
mircea_popescu wtf does "consensus by code" even mean. [23:54]
asciilifeform wrong question. what does a screen full of static snow 'mean' ? [23:55]
asciilifeform shannonizers don't create meaning [23:55]
asciilifeform but lulz, yes, create. [23:55]
asciilifeform like watching clouds. [23:55]
trinque reduces to "I matter" and I suppose any living thing making a sound is also saying that [23:56]
asciilifeform i am reading this to the tune of billions of living things each saying 'i matter i matter chirp i matter' [23:56]
trinque haha [23:57]
asciilifeform !s brekekekekex [23:57]
mircea_popescu well... the thing ius, crickets and frogs and whatnot, which do EXACTLY this, do it to reproduce, and succeed in reproducing. [23:57]
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assbot 0 results for 'brekekekekex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brekekekekex [23:57]
mircea_popescu i dunno redditard fucks as a result. [23:57]
asciilifeform insect will chirp just so when in a killing jar. [23:58]
asciilifeform ergo reddit. [23:58]
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