Forum logs for 13 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: the people payong	[00:13]
thestringpuller	paying*	[00:13]
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mike_c	you don't have to cater to the person paying. if you are providing a premium product customers will deal with the headaches. would you jump through some hoops to get an ad on www.berkshirehathaway.com? what if they said it had to be text only?	[00:17]
mike_c	or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint).	[00:18]
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mike_c	or loper-os. i'd pay for that shit and say thank you for putting my text on your site.	[00:19]
mike_c	so really what you're saying is you don't think the venues available right now are worth the headache. which may or may not be true.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...	[00:19]
mike_c	but, i would say you are more likely to allow a text-only ad. perhaps not.	[00:20]
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asciilifeform	mike_c: not if the text is 'lol cockz'	[00:20]
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mike_c	yes, well, i am not loper so i don't get to be picky :)	[00:21]
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mike_c	i'm actually not doing it for the money. btcalpha isn't meant to be directly monetized.	[00:21]
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asciilifeform	mike_c: must confess, i might submit to the indignity of ads on my site if it meant actual money	[00:22]
asciilifeform	mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery	[00:22]
mike_c	how much would it take? btc/month.	[00:22]
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asciilifeform	mike_c: that's like asking 'how many btc you want for your nail clippings'	[00:23]
asciilifeform	mike_c: say, 10/mo. for either my nail clippings or ads on site.	[00:23]
mike_c	that might not be out of the question.	[00:24]
mike_c	retardtalk gets 50/mo	[00:24]
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asciilifeform	lol, what do i need to smoke for this to make sense	[00:25]
mike_c	you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	retardtalk is run by expert chumpatronic engineers.	[00:25]
mike_c	so imagine how you could monetize an audience that is not composed of chumps. you're actually selling me here :)	[00:26]
mike_c	who knew ascii was expert negotiator. big "go away" sign on lawn attracts customers	[00:26]
asciilifeform	ever read 'scientific american' pre-'97 or so ?	[00:26]
asciilifeform	they had rather peculiar ad clients	[00:27]
mike_c	hm. don't think so	[00:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 677 @ 0.00180576 = 1.2225 BTC [-] {9}	[00:27]
asciilifeform	ad contents was heavily geared to the stuff aging 'imperial age' americans with intellectual inclinations might buy. primarily - whiskey.	[00:27]
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mike_c	well it wasn't charity. it probably worked.	[00:28]
asciilifeform	... it didn't work. ad revenue from the fine scotch drinkers did not suffice. magazine was: sold, dumbed down hilariously	[00:29]
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mike_c	hm. advertising successfully is hard but not impossible. i don't take this to mean loper couldn't be monetized effectively.	[00:30]
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asciilifeform	i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone.	[00:31]
asciilifeform	(have i turned everybody off yet?)	[00:31]
mike_c	nope, that's what vanads is all about. serious money is still TBD.	[00:32]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery << Pretty much all I'd spend money on is "lol, cocks" or "White Africa Future" (link to interracial gangbang) or perhaps some other mischeif...	[00:32]
mike_c	yes but you aren't running a consumer facing buisness.	[00:32]
mike_c	WoL will be an advertiser soon.	[00:32]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/orangecat/	[00:35]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if you want to pay 10/mo to display 'lol cockz in white africa' i'm game...	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The point of the game is that one never knows when troll ad enters their rotation. Troll ad simply appears	[00:38]
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BingoBoingo	Still prolly better than those glossy mining hardware things	[00:38]
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BingoBoingo	d-dimer: Is it a clot?	[00:39]
*	BingoBoingo references of course the test for fibrin degeneration products in the blood, known as a d-dimer	[00:40]
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asciilifeform	i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense.	[00:44]
mike_c	well, it's the audience that is monetized.	[00:47]
jborkl	ok, i will report in 30 days how the orange cat article is doing, filled with keywords and nonsense	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	jborkl: lol you forgot to credit where petel got his idea from, and I mean so far its his only one	[00:52]
jborkl	let me correct that, he got it from you if I am reading that correct?	[00:54]
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BingoBoingo	jborkl: Well, what does his post say?	[00:55]
jborkl	sorry I was talking to someone else here	[00:55]
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mike_c	BingoBoingo: i'm looking for an example for a blog post. who is currently the 2nd best sports bitcoin betting site?	[01:06]
nubbins`	man, i went to fedex to mail some coins and i had to fill out two goddamn enormous forms	[01:07]
nubbins`	so nosy!	[01:07]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck.	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: That's a good question. Prolly Cloudbet or Nitrogen sports. Maybe Anonibet? All I really do sports betting wise any more off of BitBet is penny bets on baseball and bigger bets against Serena according to the bet against Serena algorithm	[01:08]
mike_c	heh. i didn't see the end the other day, did venus manage to beat her?	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	But yeah, they all have their devoted fanbases and all offer shitty lines now.	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: She played venus the other day?	[01:08]
nubbins`	mike_c the grue ate everyone's coin D;	[01:08]
mike_c	yeah, went to third set	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	Line must not have been good enough for me to get pinged	[01:09]
mike_c	nubbins`: should be havelock's tagline :)	[01:09]
BingoBoingo	Oh,, Venus won	[01:09]
mike_c	"Venus topped Serena 6-7 (2), 6-2, 6-3 on Saturday in the hard-court event for her first victory over her sister since 2009 in Dubai."	[01:09]
nubbins`	you know how many goddamn bitcoin i "made" and subsequently "lost" on that fuckin site?	[01:09]
nubbins`	it'd make ya weep	[01:09]
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jborkl	BingoBoingo , ok i added the proper credit there	[01:11]
nubbins`	"People can administer this drug fairly unknowingly to someone — an unknowing person — and we've had reports in the past, not so much of ketamine, but we have had reports in the past of these typos of drugs being administered in local establishments," said Curnew.	[01:12]
nubbins`	^ amazing	[01:12]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:12]
nubbins`	"these typos of drugs"	[01:12]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell jborkl Lol, actual credit belongs to the cats	[01:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:32]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/12/filtering-noise/	[01:35]
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ben_vulpes	"expert chumpatronic engineers" << quite.	[01:37]
nubbins`	"hello, i was just wondering if you have any positions available. thanks"	[01:38]
nubbins`	^ second email we've gotten like this	[01:38]
nubbins`	ah, the earnest young	[01:39]
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ben_vulpes	"position is work all day. pay is a bed in the corner and scraps from the table. interedast?"	[01:39]
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ben_vulpes	;;8ball do i risk the rain biking back to the office from this client meeting?	[01:41]
gribble	The answer is a resounding no.	[01:41]
ben_vulpes	fu gribble	[01:41]
ben_vulpes	I'M FUCKING DOING IT	[01:42]
ben_vulpes	watch me get drenched	[01:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 109 @ 0.01270359 = 1.3847 BTC [-] {4}	[01:43]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: So are you still blogging something today about how they all suck then?	[01:46]
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nubbins`	ben_vulpes checked her out on facebook, studied "graphic design" at local college	[01:48]
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nubbins`	no thanks	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	FAA now involved in StL's Gaza moment: https://twitter.com/honeynoir/status/499304482619285504	[01:49]
assbot	/jasiri_x FAA restricts aviation over /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash...read the reason. I found this on the Federal FAA website http://t.co/cgIGlFPWWf	[01:49]
nubbins`	wow.	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/499327703388930048	[01:53]
assbot	This /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash thing reminds me of /hashtag/Occupy?src=hash except peaceful protesters actually making /hashtag/TheMan?src=hash tremble with fear	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	I plan on staying on the Illinois side of the river for a while, shit is getting serious	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thebaffler.com/blog/amway-journalism/	[01:54]
assbot	Amway Journalism \| The Baffler	[01:54]
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nubbins`	Personal Brand™	[01:59]
nubbins`	shoot me in the face with a gun	[01:59]
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nubbins`	i've seen people ask for advice on how to develop their personal brand	[01:59]
nubbins`	they didn't capitalize it, but you can tell they were doing it in their heads when they wrote it	[01:59]
nubbins`	nothing reeks more of desperation	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Building a personal brand is an excellent advice but these fuckers do it all wrong. Step 1: Call People fuckers Step 2: Get drunk and Markov chain rant a bit... etc	[02:00]
nubbins`	step 3, join this chan and vanish into the babble ;D	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[02:02]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RSAR18.txt )	[02:02]
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ben_vulpes	lol ssl php ===	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	At least it looks like Libressl portable is making a lot of progess http://opensslrampage.org/	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	Even if the ssl premise is bork'd	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	"Remove disabled (weakened export and non-ephemeral DH) cipher suites from the cipher list. This reduces code size, saves data segment space and prevents them from being turned back on at runtime by flipping a bit in memory."	[02:07]
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BingoBoingo	%d	[02:16]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2010 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00	[02:16]
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BingoBoingo	Seems given these long block times... Atc is on a long walk to the next diff drop	[02:16]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: the twitter will get the fro when the right picture comes along :)	[02:17]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: that bogotan graffiti!	[02:18]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: blog is more about bitcoin gambling.. perhaps focusing on WoL :)	[02:18]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Cool	[02:18]
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BingoBoingo	!up AdrianoOliveira	[02:22]
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BingoBoingo	hello AdrianoOliveira	[02:22]
mike_c	it's getting long. perhaps i'll post as pdf and call it a book.	[02:22]
AdrianoOliveira	hi BingoBoingo, thanks	[02:22]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski +1	[02:22]
nubbins`	they close all the roads in dt bogota every sunday so people can ride bikes w/ their families	[02:22]
nubbins`	fun thing	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: If you need someone to proofread your Latex file...	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	AdrianoOliveira: What brings you here?	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: and there's giant outdoor dance lessons in the middle of it all	[02:24]
AdrianoOliveira	Im was looking for info/people trading options on btc and ended up on bitcoin-assets.com	[02:24]
pete_dushenski	cyclo dia	[02:24]
pete_dushenski	or cyclovia or something	[02:24]
nubbins`	yah	[02:24]
AdrianoOliveira	although it doesn't seem to be the right place, i came to check the channel, as i have never been in the channel before	[02:24]
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pete_dushenski	we rented some bikes, pretty bush league things but that's what there was	[02:24]
nubbins`	bike is king	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	AdrianoOliveira: Lurk a bit, you might learn something	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	$20/day and these bikes would've been left beside the dumpster in canada, untouched	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	AdrianoOliveira: This is a bit trading nexus, a bit social club	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	AdrianoOliveira: how did you hear about b-a?	[02:25]
chetty	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu3ixOdIMAAdNTM.jpg	[02:26]
BingoBoingo	AdrianoOliveira: This kind of gives the gist of things http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/	[02:26]
assbot	The forum and its implementation. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:26]
BingoBoingo	Huge props to kakobrekla for making this humble channel many moons ago	[02:26]
nubbins`	that's expensive	[02:26]
AdrianoOliveira	pete_dushenski: I follow a link posted on a comment in one of the topics at bitcointalk	[02:26]
nubbins`	we rented rad bikes in amsterdam for i think 9 euro per day	[02:27]
AdrianoOliveira	pete_dushenski: one of the mpex, i think	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	Is there a link back to there we could follow?	[02:27]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: well see amsterdam knows what to do with tourists	[02:27]
nubbins`	if only tourists knew what to do with bikes ;D	[02:27]
AdrianoOliveira	BingoBoingo: thanks for the advice, I am familiar with irc and I am usually at bitcoin-otc, just didn't know the bitcoin-assets :-)	[02:28]
nubbins`	but yeah, tourism in colombia is decades behind	[02:28]
chetty	AdrianoOliveira, its a good place to hang around and read and learn	[02:28]
nubbins`	you visit a picturesque small town to spend your money and have a good time and maybe bring friends with you next time	[02:28]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: tis, but the customer service, particularly at the restaurants we went to, was out of this fucking world	[02:28]
nubbins`	you're just as likely to get robbed by a local who doesn't understand that he's shooting himself in the wallet	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	%t	[02:28]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216	[02:28]
pete_dushenski	it was so goddam civilized it hurt	[02:28]
pete_dushenski	professional wait staff like that are unknown in canada	[02:29]
nubbins`	yup	[02:29]
nubbins`	i ruptured an eardrum in colombia	[02:29]
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pete_dushenski	fairmont or whatever, they have no idea how to make you feel like a king. they're too educated, too "i'm equal"	[02:29]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: oof	[02:29]
nubbins`	bad eustacian tubes, wanted to scuba dive, lied on the medical questionnaire	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	holy logs sherlock!	[02:30]
nubbins`	couldn't clear left ear, popped drum while trying, ear full of seawater	[02:30]
nubbins`	immediate nausea	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: dig deeper, watson!	[02:30]
nubbins`	still went down for the second dive ;(	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? << more like a platform, so people can make their own muds but have some basic tools (btc payments, [blockchain based] random dungeon generator etc)	[02:31]
mike_c	sounds interesting, but doesn't sound profitable.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	more of a culture sort of thing than a business sort of thing.	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[02:32]
mike_c	then it sounds like fun, which I don't have time for unfortunately.	[02:32]
atcbot	4 minutes and 13 seconds	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	%d	[02:33]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2008 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	jus' puttin' it out there.	[02:33]
mike_c	i'm too busy writing my book	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	ahahaah	[02:34]
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BingoBoingo	My new friend here does MUDS he could probably do Bitcoin MUDS http://imgur.com/f3WZB3R	[02:35]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[02:35]
nubbins`	mike_c paste a link to the pdf when you're done, yes?	[02:36]
nubbins`	also: you don't have time for fun? D:	[02:36]
mike_c	penguirker will find it. it's the b-a library of congress	[02:36]
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BingoBoingo	I swear my first IRL bitcoin meetup might involve the next person who professes to have self published "The Book on Bitcoin" without the slightest familiarity with the Chicago Manual of style	[02:38]
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BingoBoingo	And correction http://thecodelesscode.com/case/134	[02:40]
assbot	The Codeless Code: Case 134 Thin Ice	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	mike_c sexual congress i hope.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 << you know people can just upload their jpg and be done with it if they want,.	[02:43]
nubbins`	what in the world is a jpg	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: That doesn't seem to be implemented yet...	[02:45]
nubbins`	answer: jotion picture (experts) group	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the idea being that you can dump whatever text/images you have/care to and van will sort out some kind of ad out of it.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	if you just want to make specified banners, fine, do that.	[02:46]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: it's a Jaguar-Panther-tiGer	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's for others. I like the "Bold Text, Bold Claims" approach to ad buying myself	[02:47]
pete_dushenski	sort of a mystical beast, unknown anywhere but the most remote jungles of south asia	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, the notion is to leave the whole "profession" of designers without employment.	[02:47]
nubbins`	try hiragino kaku gothic pro bold	[02:48]
nubbins`	beauty of a font	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	because if one ca'n't get paid "designiong" ads anymore, they can't get paid designing period.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	so whatever, if it's successful nubbins` will love us for it.	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	lol	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	but if you;'re gonna be subversive, you gotta actually be subversive.	[02:48]
nubbins`	^	[02:48]
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nubbins`	the more i work, the more i feel like the word "design" is a poor descriptor for what i do	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	so win-win then.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	o look, btcscoop.com already live and getting accolades ?	[02:50]
nubbins`	i blame all the "designers"	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	Killing the design industries, just another Tuesday	[02:50]
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nubbins`	someone says "yeah i'm a graphic designer", i get my list ready and ask them what their full name is	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, peterl is on that	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` dude you're just not getting it.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	you're supposed to call me a religious leader and complain of ad hominem	[02:51]
nubbins`	o o	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	THIS IS NOT HOW NORMAL DEBATES WORK	[02:51]
nubbins`	i thought we were all in agreement	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	;;google kalvin clein nevertheless	[02:52]
gribble	Escape Calvin Klein perfume - a fragrance for women 1991: ; Polo Ralph Lauren Wholesale Free Shipping, 100% Original & Easy ...: ; Emerald Insight \| The internationalization of the high fashion brand ...: (1 more message)	[02:52]
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BingoBoingo	WAIT I BLOGGED HYPNOTIC TOAD IMAGE TODAY I RELIGULOUS LEADER	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	Or is that someother sort of toad	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	it's a frog.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	and google you suck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iViyKfcI1IQ	[02:52]
assbot	kramer at calvin klein - YouTube	[02:52]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, the thing I posted today is a toad, has warts	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	!up AdrianoOliveira	[02:53]
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nubbins`	hypnotoad? he's a toad	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Wait not all toads hypno?	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	i guess i don't know my amphibians.	[02:53]
asciilifeform	;;google hypnotoad	[02:54]
gribble	Hypnotoad - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: ; Everybody Loves Hypnotoad - YouTube: ; r33b.net - ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!:	[02:54]
asciilifeform	^ that one	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	If it was a frog that big, its legs would have been fired. Toad... not so much.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	*fried	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	so for the ecologists still clinging on to the logs somehow : argentina heats on electricity, has no insulation and does not care.	[02:55]
nubbins`	take this poster, for example: http://imgur.com/LWe1Gfj	[02:55]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[02:55]
nubbins`	i'm proud of it, and the bands who paid for it thought it was great	[02:55]
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nubbins`	but did i "design" it?	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	i have three holes in my wall about ten square inches total, wind blows through freely. i burned > 100kwh this month so far. they dun give a shit. thsi is normal here.	[02:55]
nubbins`	sure, in the sense that the sanitation engineer collected my trash this morning	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ideally van will be able to do that on its own	[02:56]
nubbins`	sure, it's just colors and shapes	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff	[02:56]
nubbins`	computers r hard	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:clientsfromhell.com "it's easy if you know what you're doing"	[02:57]
gribble	No matches found.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[02:57]
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nubbins`	funny, someone in -otc linked that site about 10 minutes ago	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	;;seen organofcorti	[02:57]
gribble	organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 8 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	dude come back, we like your blog.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ac or what ?	[02:58]
nubbins`	i'm in a rather enviable position, in that half the people i do work for just give me full artistic liberty	[02:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ac, waterheater, doubleconvertingups	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	shit. i thought i was excessive but 1mwh ?!	[02:58]
nubbins`	i did a run of silkscreened posters yesterday and the client saw the design for the first time when he exchanged a wad of cash for them	[02:59]
nubbins`	i generally try not to brag about this around people who earn a living as "graphic designers"	[02:59]
nubbins`	their rage scares me	[02:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ac is ~70% of it	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint). << i'd rather buy, honestly.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` isn't it great, having a free brag space ?	[03:00]
nubbins`	one of the reasons i come here	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	i thought you just liked the enchiladas.	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Any other year situation would be similar here with power, but having a "temperate" year	[03:00]
nubbins`	if by that you mean circular conversations, then YES :D	[03:00]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: very 'temperate' year here, as well.	[03:01]
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BingoBoingo	"Polar Vortex" was unkind this winter but welcome now	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience. << the proposition that tardstalk has a valuable audience is outrageous.	[03:01]
BingoBoingo	Several weeks with AC off and windows open	[03:01]
mike_c	hehe. somebody's got buy all those miners.	[03:01]
BingoBoingo	Which would normally never happen in July	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	mike_c it's more like, van is a piggy bank. if i start pulling money out rather than pushing money in it'll prolly debalance it.	[03:02]
*	asciilifeform has no solid clue who reads his site, other than a multitude of trilema readers	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	not so different from atc really.	[03:02]
mike_c	so take all the revenue and use it buy ads.	[03:02]
nubbins`	asciilifeform time for a poll ;D	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	i don't net buy or net sell based on what i want, but based on what everyone else is doing	[03:03]
nubbins`	https://plus.google.com/+ColinMcMillen/posts/eFVJLCVKLdc	[03:03]
nubbins`	HAHAHAHAHA	[03:03]
*	mircea_popescu is suspicious of distortion but definitely more thinking will go int this	[03:03]
mike_c	pulling out/pushing in implies a closed system.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	how is it open ?	[03:04]
mike_c	including a trilema ad slot could increase the supply in general and rise all boats.	[03:04]
mike_c	it's open cuz anyone can buy ads	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	this will definitely need some moar thinking.	[03:05]
mike_c	trilema slot would increase awareness of vanads and bring more advertisers?	[03:05]
mike_c	which could benefit all venues	[03:05]
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mike_c	who wouldn't want to fill trilema's slot?	[03:05]
mike_c	hehehe	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone. << van is kinda tailored for that last part, at least.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	mike_c one of the things i did was have ppls prepare code so i can show ads to non-cookied users only.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	amazingly, this can actually be done.	[03:06]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:06]
*	asciilifeform prepares for spam school	[03:06]
mike_c	amazingly? perhaps for a php dev. seems easy.	[03:06]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	mike_c gotta appreciate trilema runs a custom string of hacks off 6 yo wp	[03:07]
*	asciilifeform isn't sure who is crazy enough to buy ad on his site, however	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Just post cats, google images will send traffic	[03:07]
mike_c	ah ascii, i can see you are beings sucked in. join the crowd! peer pressure!	[03:07]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i get a ludicrous amount of traffic from google images	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: More than actual google, right?	[03:08]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=lisp+machine	[03:08]
assbot	lisp machine - Google Search	[03:08]
asciilifeform	6 or 7 - mine...	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense. << in fairness, i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" in any way applies to van stuff.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	"monetizing" a fine example among it.	[03:09]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&q=hypercard	[03:09]
assbot	hypercard - Google Search	[03:09]
asciilifeform	^ 4 or 5	[03:09]
BingoBoingo	;;google noise canceling toad	[03:09]
gribble	#002 - Honda Accord insulation to cut down road noise. - YouTube: ; Noise pollution - Property Law: ; Quiet, Please! How to Cut Noise Pollution at Home - Houzz:	[03:09]
mike_c	hm, derpage aside, the point of advertising is to make money.	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thickasthieves look at this http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/ you	[03:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:09]
assbot	Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info \| Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	re rich now.	[03:10]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c is the point of fucking to make money ?	[03:10]
mike_c	for some people. not me though.	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	right.	[03:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	if advertising is to survive, it'll have to invent itself as something else than medieval "fuck so wife makes more peons which make more koku"	[03:11]
mike_c	wtf else is there?	[03:11]
mike_c	for advertising.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	that's not a valid objection.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	(also known as appeal to ignorance)	[03:12]
mike_c	ok. then this: what use does vanads present other than to help advertisers make money?	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea if it helps them make money or not, but it allows them to get places they wouldn't get otherwise.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	more like the wot than like the btc.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	not that the two are divorced or orthogonal or anything.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ?	[03:13]
mike_c	not directly. indirectly? every one.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	right-o.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	that said, i have nfi. we're mostly guessing here.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	all across the board that is.	[03:14]
mike_c	your analogy sucks.	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	ty.	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ? << SUre, I wanted cigarettes when I came to	[03:14]
nubbins`	"the average canadian spends more on taxes than on food, shelter and clothing combined"	[03:14]
nubbins`	:0	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` does the average canadian also get more food, shelter and clothing from the government than he gets on his own dime ?	[03:14]
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nubbins`	as an above-average canadian, i cannot say with any degree of certainty	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	well yea you get moose sausage and whatnot.	[03:15]
nubbins`	gotta pay for the moose license	[03:15]
nubbins`	well. someone does	[03:15]
nubbins`	all i gotta pay for is casings	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c your adhominem religious leadership aside, this whole discussion dovetails neatly into the converse, ascii's curiosity as to why am i giving bitdimes to random sluts.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	well... there's apparently reasons. have i made money ?	[03:17]
nubbins`	"According to the Vancouver-based think-tank, the average Canadian family earned $77,381 in 2013 and paid $32,369 in total taxes — or 41.8 per cent of income — compared with 36.1 per cent for food, shelter and clothing combined."	[03:17]
mike_c	not yet. that's different from simply no.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	have i made money supporting openbsd ?	[03:17]
mike_c	yes	[03:18]
mike_c	although accidentally	[03:18]
nubbins`	heh.	[03:18]
nubbins`	got ya on a technicality	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	the fact that when openssl got shot in the head there was someone there to pick the pieces...	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	i mean, reality being complex, evaluating how you make money becomes untrivial.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	as wall street finds out every sixteen months.	[03:18]
mike_c	sure. ads increase awareness way beyond CTR.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	ads also allow people to live.	[03:18]
asciilifeform	evaluating how you make money becomes untrivial >> for us peons it's pretty easy though	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	some people you might depend on.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	i played solforge, some card trading game, and as for the past 500 games i played for more than 2 hours, i paid them something	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	ten or fiddy or i don't remember.	[03:19]
nubbins`	can't have nice things if you don't want to pay for them	[03:19]
nubbins`	get this: i buy music :0	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	maybe this doesn't make me any money, or maybe this is the last thing that keeps playable games available which is what keeps me from killing andreas for realz.	[03:20]
mike_c	ok, but vanads as tipbox.. idk. ascii won't join for 5 doge.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	it's not the argument.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	from the position of the ad buyer, i was more than once confronted with endless lists of "venues" to buy space on.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	what did i buy on ? i couldn't care less about the "numbers"	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	numbers can and universally are faked.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	i bought on oglaf and other respectable comics. why ?	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	well... specifically because they were respectable.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	and the thought in my head was "i'd buy the whole book, if i had a guarantee your book is all respectable folk, no mfa, no shit. no torrents w/e"	[03:22]
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mircea_popescu	so my rationale is, make a place which actually only lists legitimate venues, people won't have the problem i had anymore.	[03:22]
asciilifeform	re: tips: phun phact. my largest donor, a fellow claiming to be zooko wilcox-ohearn (of the 'zooko's triangle.')	[03:22]
asciilifeform	^ http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009&cpage=1#comment-3871	[03:22]
assbot	Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	may have other problems, sure. generally we don't see th eproblems we don't have anymore. like in this oglaf comic :	[03:22]
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asciilifeform	^ 1.0101101	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	http://oglaf.com/chronotherapy/	[03:23]
assbot	Chronotherapy	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's pretty cool.	[03:24]
asciilifeform	0b10101101 == 173 -> ascii '{'	[03:24]
asciilifeform	no idea what this symbolizes.	[03:24]
mike_c	i dunno. luckily we don't have to come to agreement because we will see what happens. i do agree it is something worth trying.	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	And this is why Batman beats Superman, he solves problems Superman can't afford to know exist.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	that's not really how it works sadly. we'll have to argue it whether it succeeds or fails	[03:26]
mike_c	but we'll have more evidence to argue with	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	because the argument of why it did either can't be put to rest by the mere observation that it did it.	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	that's fo sho.	[03:26]
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mircea_popescu	for the admittedly slanted view from my tower however, i can definitely say that i would trade a billion visitors from twitter for a thousand visitors fro whatever,	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	zooko's blog.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	i guess at the basest, anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers and the govt dole that supports them.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	taleb'd call this antifragile businesses.	[03:28]
asciilifeform	!s charity trilema	[03:28]
assbot	1 results for 'charity trilema' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=charity+trilema	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	related, but quite distinct.	[03:28]
asciilifeform	how distinct?	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	about on the degree of the distinction between going for a play and going to the doctor.	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	they're both professional venues where experts do something to your benefit.	[03:33]
asciilifeform	anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers >> the old, essentially bulletproof explanation for death of art and science.	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[03:33]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/rortybomb/status/499345604297121792	[03:35]
assbot	The /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash police look more militarized now than the actual National Guard, here from the 1967 Newark riots: http://t.co/qk3CKqSp8o	[03:35]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: nice little preview of usa when 'the holiday' comes.	[03:38]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2014#496666	[03:39]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[03:39]
asciilifeform	^ also related http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html	[03:41]
assbot	ClubOrlov: The Rationale behind the Boston Psy-ops	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I think Fergeson is the application of the Boston lessons.	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	Still I plan on keeping to Illinois this weekend.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform since you linked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 dja know what stotting is ?	[03:44]
assbot	Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.	[03:44]
asciilifeform	certainly	[03:44]
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BingoBoingo	Fergeson is in North county, but West and South County have had riots as well	[03:44]
asciilifeform	also known as 'peacocking'	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	there';s no need for fiddy billion people to be smart.	[03:44]
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mircea_popescu	fiddy billion people can be anything they want. all it takes is one.	[03:44]
asciilifeform	the N - 1 neolithic folks who didn't discover fire, yes.	[03:45]
hanbot	new ip 190.172.16.40 old ip 190.172.13.30 por favorh!	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck. <.	[03:47]
kyuupichan	;;nethash	[03:51]
gribble	180239894.005	[03:51]
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BingoBoingo	!up the20year	[03:56]
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peterl	!up	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: presently you can do a kind of basic 'iq filter' just by, e.g. ignoring anything whatsoever distributed as an ms-word turd << ya think ?! :D	[03:56]
asciilifeform	it's only a very basic filter.	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	BigBitz: such irony. << they deserve it for using lastpass, srsly.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	the idiocy of it knows no bounds.	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	peterl: Nice work	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5 << omfg you haxt my cameras ?!	[04:00]
kakobrekla	i dont have a better explanation.	[04:01]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis <	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	!up leochilll	[04:02]
-assbot-	You voiced leochilll for 30 minutes.	[04:02]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up << this is useful & interesting.	[04:04]
assbot	The Matasano Crypto Challenges	[04:04]
*	asciilifeform remembers the rsa key challenge and its quiet disappearance	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	yea what happened to that ?	[04:05]
asciilifeform	they pulled it.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	said only 'this isn't needed any more'	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	course some older readers may recall the phuctor and it's quiet quietness. not everything is a they.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	it's still there; hungry.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony lol not bad that guy. is he the real jeff jarvis ? :D	[04:06]
BingoBoingo	Nah	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	Real Jeff Jarvis comes in later all butthurt	[04:08]
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[]bot	Bet created: "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7 << this is a typically fuctarded article as one'd have come to expect out of the economist.	[04:12]
assbot	The Economist explains: Why the price of commercial sex is falling \| The Economist	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	" Location matters too. Prostitutes in San Francisco, where the cost of living is high, charge more than those in cheaper cities such as Prague."	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	a) the idiots in san francisco were whining a month ago about how $10/sq foot is "outside of what a "normal" business can pay in rent"	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	prague is more expensive than that.	[04:13]
TheNewDeal	ridiculous bet	[04:13]
TheNewDeal	kitko is showing gold above 1300 RIGHT NOW	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	b) europeans are not fucktarded about sex like the us barbarians are.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal it can drop can't it ?	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	"THE ECONOMIST has analysed 190,000 profiles of female sex workers on websites where customers post reviews. The data cover 84 cities in 12 countries, with the biggest number of workers in America and most of the rest in big cities in rich countries. According to our analysis, the price of an hour of sex with a female prostitute has been dropping fairly steadily in recent years. In 2006 the average cost was around $340	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	. By 2014 it had dropped to about $260."	[04:13]
TheNewDeal	the bet doesn't say CLOSE	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	this is roughly the equivalent of scrapping seo blogs to get the average revenue of a seo expert.	[04:14]
TheNewDeal	price above at any point	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	let the permanent record permanently reflect the permanent fact that the economist is a piece of toilet paper upon which down syndrome patients scribble whatever shit happens through their head.	[04:14]
leochilll	aka the "subtle shill" per	[04:15]
leochilll	periodical	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	who might you be ?	[04:15]
TheNewDeal	ooooh I get this now	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	I dunno mircea_popescu you're being awfully harsh on downs syndrome patients comparing them to the economist	[04:16]
leochilll	just a bitcoin fan sick of the propaganda!	[04:16]
mike_c	TheNewDeal: how did you WoL bets go?	[04:16]
TheNewDeal	it's a european call style	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal exactly.	[04:16]
TheNewDeal	good of course	[04:16]
mike_c	glad to hear it	[04:16]
peterl	BingoBoingo: thanks, still working on it	[04:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3200207 = 0.64 BTC [-]	[04:19]
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BingoBoingo	peterl: Just a suggestion, you don't have to follow it, but make your own WP theme, keeps shit simpler	[04:19]
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peterl	yeah, I just grabbed one to get started, I am planning on rewriting most of it as I go	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	peterl: "Toolbox" is a decent blank slate to shape to your whims	[04:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3210001 = 0.642 BTC [+]	[04:23]
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TheNewDeal	just curious - why did the URO bet get cancelled. Shitty resolution resource?	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	Prolly jsut shitty thing to bet on	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal shitty coin. people wanna advertise on bitbet, might as well either outright buy it or else put some money down.	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	im not paying people shareholder $$$ to advertise their dog's vomit.	[04:25]
TheNewDeal	but then why accept the bet?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	noob mod.	[04:26]
TheNewDeal	gotcha	[04:26]
TheNewDeal	I couldn't care less about URO, hadn't heard of it until the bet.	[04:26]
TheNewDeal	Would rather go by kilos of piss on the street - will be worth more tomorrow	[04:26]
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ben_vulpes	eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff << i've got the basics down pretty well. sifting through the midden without bringing the whole heap down on oneself is far beyond basics.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	one day i'll figure out the basics of being nice.	[04:46]
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ben_vulpes	"i could but fuck it"?	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	s/it/her/	[04:48]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: How comes your book?	[04:49]
mike_c	working on illustrations	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	Sweet	[04:49]
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mircea_popescu	can it has tits ?	[04:49]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform, mike_c, mircea_popescu: seems like there's some demand for an ad slot that's invisible unless paid for with a venue-specified minimum bid per day.	[04:51]
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mircea_popescu	owner can just put a bid.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	no need for code.	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	^ that	[04:51]
ben_vulpes	ho	[04:51]
B51Num1	bats_cd03 Belsage ben_vulpes bertani bettycla1p bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo bitcoinhtx bitspill Blazedout419 blg bounce	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: What evidence suggests that...	[04:52]
mike_c	yeah, i'm not demanding that.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes welcome to the empire of good design, where most customer requests get a "no need for new code, you're doing it wrong" from management.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i hear it's a thing to behold.	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[04:52]
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ben_vulpes	thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania << Where is dude's intel department?	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell TimSwanson Hello http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/ Sorry I was too drunk last night and passed out before we could meet	[04:56]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:56]
assbot	Malpidity \| Bingo Blog	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	actually romania has an extensive network of caves and carstic phenomena.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	it's like florida only walkable.	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	Missouri has a lot of Karst geology as well. Most pictures of "Nature" in Romania remind me of the Ozarks	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	karstic*	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah just about, same geology	[04:57]
BingoBoingo	Lots of water raping a lot of limestone	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar" << You are whether you admit it or not.	[04:58]
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mircea_popescu	no actually he's a highschool english teacher	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	or w/e tefl qualifies you for.	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-thumbs	[05:00]
assbot	The Thumbs « Michael W Lucas	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	the environment derp is a different tim swanson	[05:00]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, this Tim Swanson is totally an environmental derp, but English is a sloppy language.	[05:01]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: for example "TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies" << He studies mosses and Lichen	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what if one of these days you'll unwrap a gift to find a weird egg or somesuch	[05:01]
asciilifeform	lol	[05:01]
asciilifeform	;;google hans rickheit	[05:02]
gribble	Hans Rickheit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Chrome Fetus - The Comix of Hans Rickheit: ; CHLOE by Hans RIckheit - Ectopiary:	[05:02]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/search?q=hans+rickheit&tbm=isch	[05:02]
assbot	hans rickheit - Google Search	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/11/anonymous_wifi_the_latest_casualty_of_russia_net_neurosis/	[05:03]
assbot	Anonymous wifi the latest casualty of Russia net neurosis The Register	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792217 << Definitely established as a lie	[05:04]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i say one thing, derp reads what's preloaded in his stupid head. then i say "you're too stupid to understand what's being said", derp figures i'm "attacking" him.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	too bad so sad etc.	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	This Swanson dicklick makes me want to stay pseudonymous forever, with my real name still an open secret among all WoTty people who care to ask. Just so silly onomatapeia can be more real then Tim, the San Fransisco Man	[05:06]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	congrats to fluffypony FabianB dignork mthreat justusranvier	[05:08]
asciilifeform	Morloch << a moloch worshipped by morlocks?	[05:10]
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mircea_popescu	lol i guess so.	[05:10]
mike_c	kakobrekla doesn't have a single negative rating. what a nice guy.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform footnoted.	[05:14]
kakobrekla	yeah well pirate didnt either	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	mike_c he gets banned a lot.	[05:14]
mike_c	that is true. i guess he only pisses off people that don't matter	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	or pisses them off enough they can't remember their passwords	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	The Best Trilema http://trilema.com/2011/arta-pedepsirii/	[05:14]
assbot	Arta pedepsirii pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you understand that ?	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	your romanian is impressive by now.	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	Enough for and English speaker	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, my romanian is shit. I can't speak it and barely translate it. My reading though is improving.	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	if you can actually read trilema you're above about a third of native speakers.	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	I doubt I could read much non-Trilema romanian though.	[05:17]
BingoBoingo	Basically for a Trilema I map the grammer and then dictionary the words	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	this is how one comprehends a text.	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	it's what i have the slavegirls do when in doubt.	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	Then again not many English speakers have done better with post switch trilema compared to pre-switch have they?	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	this is how one comprehends a text. << Rarely taught in US. Surprised classmates when in Spinoza class I told them my secret weapon was posterboard for mapping things to other things.	[05:19]
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BingoBoingo	But how else does one do geometry of a medium more portable than a chalkboard?	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	it was taught just about a thousand years ago in teh monasteries.	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	But secular humanist emoting!!! Old is bad, new is mestraul painting. Don't worry about OSHA no helmet required.	[05:21]
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BingoBoingo	!up peterl	[05:22]
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BingoBoingo	When I tried philosophy grad school everyone got in pissing matches over who read Whitehead or Russel, but how many other gave a shot at their Principia they did together? 0	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	hence "impudent cocklets"	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	Because apparently Logos is the least important area of Philosophy	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	I mean if you are making love to knowledge Logos is basically the tits	[05:24]
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mircea_popescu	http://cryptopals.com/sets/6/challenges/42/	[05:26]
assbot	Bleichenbacher's e=3 RSA Attack	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	ahh this is so sweet.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	in other words, "find anyone implementing e=3 pseudocrypto and fire them"	[05:27]
copumpkin	that's how the first iphone unlock worked	[05:27]
ben_vulpes	!s old time	[05:28]
assbot	65 results for 'old time' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=old+time	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin exactly.	[05:28]
ben_vulpes	!s rosenfeld	[05:29]
assbot	17 results for 'rosenfeld' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rosenfeld	[05:29]
BingoBoingo	As far as the teaching Assistant part of being a grad student goes going from freshman logic to babysitting pharm students was a godsend. The latter FEARED the material they were studying.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	nothing beats material that can punch you in the gut.	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	http://cryptopals.com/sets/6/challenges/44/ also sweet.	[05:31]
assbot	DSA nonce recovery from repeated nonce	[05:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3199838 = 0.96 BTC [-]	[05:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00073906 = 9.46 BTC [-] {2}	[05:34]
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kakobrekla	!up danielpbarron	[05:39]
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kakobrekla	a ok	[05:40]
kakobrekla	i just got the other message.	[05:40]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: be the amazing!	[05:40]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:40]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Lol, you noticed	[05:40]
mike_c	publishing my novel	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was a book	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	IS IT ALSO A NOVEL!?!?	[05:41]
mike_c	hm. novels are fiction, right? i guess not.	[05:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 46 @ 0.01180153 = 0.5429 BTC [-] {4}	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	;;later tellTimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works << Actually the model is more like ISIS	[05:45]
gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tellTimSwanson" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.	[05:45]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell TimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works << Actually the model is more like ISIS	[05:45]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:45]
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BingoBoingo	if you can actually read trilema you're above about a third of native speakers. << You know on this point alone if Silicon Valley really cared about BTC they'd be wining and dinign me by nao	[05:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28145 @ 0.00074229 = 20.8918 BTC [+] {2}	[05:49]
asciilifeform	e=3 >> this is a schoolboy mistake - even schneier's red book as i recall warned against it	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/michael-brown-protests_n_5672163.html?utm_hp_ref=tw	[05:52]
assbot	Police Officer Caught On Video Calling Michael Brown Protesters 'F***ing Animals'	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/11/surreal-video-images-out-of-ferguson-as-unrest-resumes-following-shooting-of-unarmed-teenager-i-cant-believe-this-is-happening/	[05:53]
assbot	Surreal Video, Images Out of Ferguson as Unrest Resumes Following Shooting of Unarmed Teen: I Cant Believe This Is Happening \| Video \| TheBlaze.com	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/jasonplusone/statuses/499015768156016640	[05:53]
assbot	Twitter / jasonplusone: "@BigBoi: Wow ! This cop points ...	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	"@BigBoi: Wow ! This cop points his AR at an unarmed ward Alderman. RT @AntonioFrench: #Ferguson https://vine.co/v/MYZmwD9Dqhu " #MartialLaw	[05:54]
assbot	Right now in #Ferguson	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	%t	[05:55]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216	[05:55]
mike_c	i don't know about you guys, but my blog posts are done when i can't stand to look at them anymore.	[05:58]
asciilifeform	same	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: It's like that for about 50% of mine	[05:58]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/	[06:00]
decimation	re: swanson << his writings make sense if you assume he is ignorant of Gresham's law	[06:00]
decimation	and also lacking sense	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	decimation: That doesn't explain his ignorance of how to structure a document he is going to try to label a "book"	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	%d	[06:06]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2005 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[06:07]
gribble	Current Blocks: 315356 \| Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 \| Next Difficulty In: 1155 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 16 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 24113710923.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: 22.2207	[06:07]
decimation	you see a book is a container that holds words that you vomit	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Still, the container has a standard form. Toilets can have different looks, but are recognizable as toilets.	[06:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00074076 = 11.9633 BTC [-] {2}	[06:10]
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mircea_popescu	i don't know about you guys, but my blog posts are done when i can't stand to look at them anymore. << i take about half an hour.	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	I've spent anywhere from 30 minutes to a day and a half depending on the post.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo not the frenc ones.	[06:12]
decimation	moldbug describes how all prices will be recalculated once the world passes from the dollar through the bitcoin-vortex	[06:13]
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decimation	someone standing on the shore today sees only a ripple where that vortex will one day consume everything	[06:13]
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asciilifeform	decimation: the 'monetary restandardization' piece, yes	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	i wasn't aware curtis switched camps to pro-btc	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	when did that happen ?	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Honestly I often spend more time trying to make the stupid posts less stupid then say fuck it and hit publish	[06:15]
decimation	I'm riffing a bit, he was talking about gold mainly	[06:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: he was never 'anti' in the usual sense, just very pessimistic	[06:15]
decimation	he did mention bitcoin at the end	[06:15]
asciilifeform	'gasenwagen will come surely'	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	mmm.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo never bother with the stupid.	[06:15]
decimation	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/04/on-monetary-restandardization.html	[06:15]
assbot	Unqualified Reservations: On monetary restandardization	[06:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's a work in progress	[06:16]
decimation	he thinks usg will stop bitcoin - I don't find that a very credible thesis.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/04/bitcoin-is-money-bitcoin-is-bubble.html << continued here	[06:16]
assbot	Unqualified Reservations: Bitcoin is money, Bitcoin is a bubble	[06:16]
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decimation	I just mentally edit his posts with s//gold/bitcoin/	[06:17]
asciilifeform	he thinks usg << could've, too, if the hearts had bled on schedule. bullet whistled by.	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	;;calc 364/12	[06:17]
gribble	30.3333333333	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	Eh a month to walk to Mexico sounds right	[06:18]
decimation	"On the dollar's last day as a meaningful unit of account, total dollar net worth is at its historical peak. ... Best of all, unlike theglobe.com, this boom is sustainable. Ideally, it terminates in an allocated BITCOIN standard with no debt - the American and European economies at present, of course, being brutally overcapitalized. "	[06:19]
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decimation	THis is another mistake swanson makes. THe idea that transactions are so costly in dollar terms is quite irrelvant to bitcoin holders.	[06:21]
decimation	becuase once the world has passed through the bitcoin vortex, all prices will be recalculated - and there's no formula to get from here to there	[06:22]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Well, in the San Francisco world of Bitcoin ATM's transactions actually do cost $40 or $50 above spot	[06:29]
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decimation	somehow the fact that bitgo and xapo have raised money means that bitcoin is expensive to secure	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	Nah, it means there's people with too much fiat who can't be arsed to secure it themselves yet	[06:39]
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decimation	man I thought mircea was hard on the guy but after reading a few pages of the book he deserves worse	[06:42]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: I toldl you.	[06:44]
BingoBoingo	Also the fucking page numbering, lack of citation style, etc	[06:45]
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decimation	I'm trying to figure out what his angle is. What rich prince (perhaps in his mind) wants poorly-written anti-bitcoin pablum?	[06:47]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Well... To be determined	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	I just mentally edit his posts with s//gold/bitcoin/ << that's a way to go about it. prolly would have made hitler quite palatable too	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	s/jews/racists	[06:55]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i wouldn't bother.	[06:55]
danielpbarron	k	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation> man I thought mircea was hard on the guy but after reading a few pages of the book he deserves worse << and importantly, i read no pages of the book.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	this heuristic must be valuable.	[06:57]
decimation	deciding what not to spend mental cycles on is a valuable skill	[07:01]
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mircea_popescu	"The Pioneer has before declared that our only safety depends upon the total extirmination of the Indians. Having wronged them for centuries, we had better, in order to protect our civilization, follow it up by one more wrong and wipe these untamed and untamable creatures from the face of the earth."	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	l f baum (wizard of oz), cca 1890.	[07:11]
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decimation	we did worse - we made them depend on the bezzle for welfare - now most of them exist in a drunken half-stupor	[07:14]
nubbins`	;;google beothuk	[07:16]
gribble	Beothuk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Beothuk - Newfoundland and Labrador Heritage: ; Beothuk - First Nations\|Issues of Consequence:	[07:16]
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mircea_popescu	dickshovel ?!	[07:18]
nubbins`	maybe Dick's Hovel?	[07:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00074164 = 2.1878 BTC [+]	[07:19]
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nubbins`	http://www.dickshovel.com/why.html	[07:19]
assbot	Why dickshovel.com?	[07:19]
nubbins`	hahahah	[07:19]
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asciilifeform	expertSexchange.	[07:20]
asciilifeform	therapist/theRapist, etc.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	For Mencken, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was the finest work of American literature. Much of that book relates how gullible and ignorant country "boobs" (as Mencken referred to them) are swindled by confidence men like the (deliberately) pathetic "Duke" and "Dauphin" roustabouts with whom Huck and Jim travel down the Mississippi River. These scam-artists swindle by posing as enlightened speakers on temperance (to ob	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	tain the funds to get roaring drunk), as pious "saved" men seeking funds for far off evangelistic missions (to pirates on the high seas, no less), and as learned doctors of phrenology (who can barely spell). Mencken read the novel as a story of America's hilarious dark side, a place where democracy, as defined by Mencken, is "the worship of jackals by jackasses".	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	such change wow progress.	[07:26]
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mircea_popescu	"I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding, supervision of environment and education, extending over many generations, it might be possible to make an appreciable improvement in the stock of the American negro, for example, but I must maintain that this enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is inconceivable that the negro stock, however caref	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	ully it might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it. The educated negro of today is a failure, not because he meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty generations of him have lived in civilization. And even then, the superior white race will be fifty generations ahead of him."	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	check out mencken being spectacularly wrong.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	devious and mediocre—the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	and then right.	[07:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.0007405 = 1.9994 BTC [+]	[08:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6039 @ 0.00073978 = 4.4675 BTC [-]	[08:38]
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kyuupichan	Does anybody maintain a BTC market cap as % of all coin cap? I think it must be near a 2-year high.	[08:43]
kyuupichan	coinmarketcap.com reckons it's 94.6%	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	alts have been getting crushed by altcoin alright.	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	tat's evil plan comes to fruition.,	[08:49]
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kyuupichan	http://bitbet.us/bet/1010/bitcoin-to-drop-under-450-before-september/ might be underpriced right now	[08:52]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September :: 1.22 B (9%) on Yes, 11.62 B (91%) on No \| closing in 1 week 6 days \| weight: 51`309 (100`000 to 1)	[08:52]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[08:53]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 558.98, Best ask: 561.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 561.0, 24 hour volume: 7189.81050835, 24 hour low: 556.5, 24 hour high: 572.35, 24 hour vwap: 0	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	mebbe.	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM	[08:55]
assbot	The Shangri-Las -Leader Of The Pack Video with High Quality Sound - YouTube	[08:55]
FabianB	$mpexstatus	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	FabianB http://mpex.bz/ is worx atm.	[09:00]
assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.	[09:00]
empyex	FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	http://mpex.biz/ as well.	[09:00]
assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.	[09:00]
FabianB	ic	[09:01]
FabianB	$proxies mpex.bz mpex.biz	[09:01]
empyex	FabianB: Temporarily saved.	[09:01]
empyex	FabianB: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.biz MPEx-Status: 1672 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	um no, don't do that, because well... suppose these two crap out. what'll people do then without the other two listed ?	[09:02]
FabianB	"03:10 #bitcoin-otc-ratings: <+gribble> New rating \| assbot > 1 > fabianb \| #bitcoin-assets" <- thanks assbot	[09:02]
FabianB	ok, let's reorder	[09:03]
FabianB	$proxies mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com	[09:03]
empyex	FabianB: Temporarily saved.	[09:03]
empyex	FabianB: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1675 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	FabianB maybe make it so if one fails it tries the next ?	[09:04]
FabianB	good idea, will implement that later	[09:05]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/petameta/	[09:07]
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RagnarDanneskjol	re- gambler's fallacy: http://www.razerwares.com/live-arbing.html	[09:36]
assbot	Live Arbing - Razerwares	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	;;rated RagnarDanneskjol	[09:37]
gribble	You have not yet rated user RagnarDanneskjol	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 Recruiter.	[09:37]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded.	[09:37]
RagnarDanneskjol	oooh weee	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	:p	[09:38]
xmj	how do i see ratings between users?	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust mircea_popescu xmj	[09:41]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user xmj: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=xmj \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xmj \| Rated since: Fri May 23 01:38:16 2014	[09:41]
xmj	whois not authed?	[09:41]
RagnarDanneskjol	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 bitcoin anti-christ. suck it roger v	[09:42]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[09:42]
punkman	bonjorn	[09:42]
punkman	http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/141645-heard-joke-once-man-goes-to-doctor-says-he-s-depressed	[09:48]
assbot	Quote by Alan Moore: Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's ...	[09:48]
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mircea_popescu	trixisowned you mean Abū ʿAbd al-Lāh Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd al-Lāh l-Lawātī ṭ-Ṭanǧī ibn Baṭūṭah	[09:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2960006 = 0.592 BTC [+]	[10:04]
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mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol that's a fine example of why one doesn't really want to offr live betting.	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	why attract a horde of internet "entrepreneurs" trying to do a lot of high bandwidth nonsense in their retarded quest of getting five euros off you "risk free" ?	[10:10]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh yea, recipe for disaster	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	if they just flipped burgers they'd make more per hour with less work,	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	but you can't talk sense into these overgrown children with their delusions of independence.	[10:11]
fluffypony	where's Kyle when you need someone for an abject lesson	[10:12]
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mircea_popescu	Just don't place arbs which gives you less than 5% of your "under" stake. If you place 100 EUR on under at Europeans , it means that you must place only arbs which give you more than 5 EUR. This way, you need only 20 arbs to recover the losses from " 1 goal" for the 30 (might even less) sec you need after you first bet is accepted probably is less than 1/20. This rule of 5% profit from you under stake is reasonable. So	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	me statistics of collected data from such bets could reveal more, but this 1/20 goal scoring assumption seems to be close to reality. Base on my own stats the probability of the goal is 1,8% , which means that 1,8 goals are scored in 100 bets. My net profit is smth like 65% of my total profit, the rest (35%) is the loss i have suffered from goals being scored in pending time. You must never place bets less than 5 EUR	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	(5% of your under bet, which we are assuming it is 100 EUR) unless it is HT where there is no danger. If you place bets for 2 EUR profit, you need now 50 arbs to recover the losses and i doubt that you will make any money.	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	based on his own fucking data o.O	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	"his own data" being an arbitrary, uncontrolled and irreproducible cutout of the general flow.	[10:14]
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RagnarDanneskjol	mhmm. if he hurls enough data though, surely this gaping hole will be overlooked	[10:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.28854545 = 3.174 BTC [-] {3}	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure the schmuck is sitting in a bar somewhere right now, all radiant of his greatness as he imagines it.	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	that unless he's not running for his life from a coupla thugs owned by some bookie he owes to.	[10:20]
RagnarDanneskjol	HA	[10:22]
punkman	http://www.fastcodesign.com/3033847/3-business-lessons-from-the-sinaloa-drug-cartel	[10:25]
assbot	3 Business Lessons From The Sinaloa Drug Cartel \| Co.Design \| business + design	[10:25]
Vexual	robin williams doesnt do coke anymore	[10:26]
RagnarDanneskjol	sounds a lot like b-a	[10:26]
punkman	I just lol'd at title+url	[10:27]
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mircea_popescu	Blockbuster is gone. So are Lehman Brothers, Atari, Pan Am, Circuit City and countless others each year. Startups fail, too, with 80% going belly up within the first 18 months. But here’s something to consider in comparison: criminal syndicates don’t go out of business. The Chinese Triads have been around since the 17th century. For 25 years, Mexico’s Sinaloa Cartel has outmaneuvered vicious competition at home a	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	s well as the United States' $51 billion--annually--“War on Drugs.”	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	yeah well the problem with that is that it's more akin to saying that detroit or hollywood don't go away.	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	"the chinese triads" aren't a the in this context any more than "the chinese government" is a the. obviously there's going to be some sort of government, such as for instance the one in taiwan.	[10:30]
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mircea_popescu	FabianB or anyone interested : .ws switch blew. the rest are fine. ws should be back within hours as replacement gets installed.	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	"Another is just a sorrowful question: What if these talented criminals had only used their talents for good?"	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	allow me to rephrase : what if the state went the fuck away and stopped bothering people.	[10:36]
Vexual	people would be confused for a few months	[10:37]
RagnarDanneskjol	this guy would be warren buffett -http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/11/5799714/leo-sharp-sinaloa-drug-mule	[10:37]
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punkman	speaking of syndicates, ISIS in Lebanon already. They just need some boats now and then Pirates of the Mediterranean !	[10:38]
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mircea_popescu	i kinda am rooting for them to invade italy, force italians into sex slavery in morocco	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	i'd prolly visit just for to shoot new trilema header.	[10:40]
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Vexual	morocco or italy?	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	morocco	[10:42]
punkman	http://online.wsj.com/articles/mosul-dams-takeover-by-isis-raises-risk-of-flooding-1407799954	[10:42]
assbot	Mosul Dam's Takeover by ISIS Raises Risk of Flooding - WSJ	[10:42]
punkman	oh lol dam without foundation, they just pump a mix of water/cement/sand into foundation cavities all the time	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	there's no real way to make foundations there iirc.	[10:44]
RagnarDanneskjol	yea, all sand	[10:44]
Vexual	dubai is sandy no?	[10:44]
Vexual	deep works	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	in things like permafrost you can at least put deep pillars in and pour on that	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	but ice is a crystalline lattice. sand is not	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	it just grinds your pillars to dust and there you go.	[10:45]
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Vexual	hmm	[10:48]
Vexual	i attempted the engine from ore thing	[10:49]
Vexual	but diverted apter i ruined my kitchen	[10:50]
Vexual	wehn considering improvements to the valve system i imagined a better concrete pump	[10:51]
punkman	melting beercans?	[10:51]
Vexual	saucepans	[10:51]
Vexual	beerscans burned up	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxhs-O_9BLc	[10:52]
assbot	Seinfeld - Kramer (the Merv Griffin set) - YouTube	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	he tries to make gravel. in a blender.	[10:52]
Vexual	lol	[10:52]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[20:02]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[20:02]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[20:02]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[20:02]
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asciilifeform	re: 'adversarial stylometry' << i had this working privately, years ago, for long-finished project. never thought it was remarkable in any way.	[20:05]
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asciilifeform	;;google shakespeare gzip	[20:05]
gribble	Download - Open Source Shakespeare: ; XMill - Examples - Liefke: ; XMill - An Efficient Compressor for XML - Liefke:	[20:05]
asciilifeform	^ fail	[20:05]
asciilifeform	http://news.sciencemag.org/2002/01/reading-bits-shakespeare << based on this.	[20:06]
assbot	Reading the Bits of Shakespeare \| Science/AAAS \| News	[20:06]
asciilifeform	ordinary gzip plus a little bit of script gets you where you want to go.	[20:06]
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asciilifeform	whether you want to imitate - or diverge from - a sample corpus, depends naturally on application.	[20:07]
kakobrekla	cpanel !?! < since ever	[20:07]
wyrdmantis	!jd	[20:08]
assbot	Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered	[20:08]
kakobrekla	that is old wyrdmantis	[20:08]
wyrdmantis	ok...and?	[20:08]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:09]
*	asciilifeform suspected this.	[20:10]
kakobrekla	wyrdmantis what good does it do you	[20:10]
*	asciilifeform likes to imagine that they talk to the mothership purely via blockchain telegraph, never knowing where it lives	[20:10]
kakobrekla	cpanel hosts are actually not the cheapest	[20:10]
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kakobrekla	as they need to pay for... cpanel.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	they're not that cheap, no.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	they're disposable tho, sure.	[20:11]
wyrdmantis	i'm just testing some commands :)	[20:11]
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wyrdmantis	!t	[20:13]
assbot	Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?	[20:13]
wyrdmantis	lol	[20:14]
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wyrdmantis	;;ticker	[20:15]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 541.83, Best ask: 544.58, Bid-ask spread: 2.75000, Last trade: 544.6, 24 hour volume: 22684.48763127, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 546.416149241	[20:15]
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wyrdmantis	how to send messages to someone not online?	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell wyrdmantis this way	[20:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:16]
BingoBoingo	%t	[20:16]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 154k High: 250 Low: 188 VWAP: 192	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/1021/ltc-dead-before-doge/	[20:18]
assbot	BitBet - LTC dead before Doge :: 0.02 B (2%) on Yes, 0.88 B (98%) on No \| closing in 10 months 3 weeks \| weight: 99`625 (100`000 to 10`000)	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	the shitcontest!	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/hashtag/etherium << this is uncharacteristically lulzy.	[20:21]
assbot	Twitter / Suche - #etherium	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	mostly because... https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syscoin?src=hash	[20:22]
assbot	Twitter / Suche - #Syscoin	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	THE WHALES!!11	[20:22]
asciilifeform	interesting that they didn't have the patience to find a bulk buyer - or at least to piss it out to the exchanges slowly	[20:25]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[20:25]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 540.34, Best ask: 540.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.61000, Last trade: 540.32, 24 hour volume: 22676.31398977, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 546.408520967	[20:25]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: cpanel indeed	[20:26]
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asciilifeform	impatience - an almost inescapable attribute of any dumb criminal	[20:26]
ben_vulpes	hey is that the dump from ether profits?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes kinda what the usg needs, more loans of this type.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	imbecile forumites are more than happy to provide	[20:26]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i immediately assumed that's what it was, when it began. seems like other people also like this hypothesis. doesn't prove it is true	[20:26]
kakobrekla	it could be anything really	[20:27]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: they more or less confessed	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	at least here we know it has a fucking end.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	everything has a fucking end	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	no.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	fiction has no end.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	that'd be the principal problem with fiction.	[20:28]
kakobrekla	end can possibly never end.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	as any successful fiction writer found out in short order.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	'that is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die' etc	[20:28]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ether is a loan to the usg?	[20:29]
ben_vulpes	or meta-usg/	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	"now you gotta write a sequel"	[20:29]
ben_vulpes	or btc sent to ether addr is loan to usg?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: see earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#794519	[20:29]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:29]
*	mircea_popescu redirects ben_vulpes to the hermetic http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/	[20:29]
assbot	Let’s pretend… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:30]
ben_vulpes	yeah, i get it i read it, but whence the source? there was the usms sale which is theoretically trickling into the market, and the ether sale which may or may not be trickling into the market. the former, clearly usg. the latter as well?	[20:32]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: usg << one possible explanatory hypothesis for why they bought straight from the vendor instead of mircea_popescu's short	[20:32]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes pretty much every single major sucking of chumps change you will see from about q1 onwards will be and has been a psyops riding on top of a usg-backed institutional lending for shorts	[20:35]
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mircea_popescu	here's the scheme : whatever usg affiliate, be it goldman sachs or herpy q derp that holds any sum of btc will lend it to the usg btc policy bureau in exchange for fiat guarantees.	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	any usg affiliate or more likely, herpy q derp that looks like he may acquire any btc sum through any means will receive all the soft backing possible, from business insder news articles to an invitation to the fucking white house. anything whatsoever as long as it loks natural rather than spammy	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	all these loan contracts are promised to unwind in fiat eventually, and will be in fact profitable for all parties if and only if bitcoin actually fails.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	they are no major concern for the usg in either case, because man who hangs for a goat might as well hang for a goat and a chick	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	no matter how cool the chick was.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	and so here we are. part ii of the game is, how much do you ~actually~ like this thing, once money actually is on the table.	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	unremarkably, the worthless shitheads that joined late have nothing to contribute.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	but suddenly, the large early holdings that all the shitheads-with-a-megaphone were decrying as dangerous to bitcoin	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	turn into a major point of support for bitcoin.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	which is how things work in moronia, down is up, etc.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	the large early holdings << these moved ?	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[20:41]
asciilifeform	so isn't it rather like saying 'volcano was a major point of support for pompei until day x'	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	if the volcano never erupts, the fertile land on its slopes is actually enough to make the village own the other villages and build an empire.	[20:42]
*	asciilifeform wonders if the dump wasn't the work of an impatient man, but of a thinking one - trying to induce 'stress fracture' (what's the correct term?) via stampede effects	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this whole charade'd have worked a damned sight better if the various y-combinator bezzlers, the foundation hearn, gmaxwell and co would have actually had what they thought they had and everyone thought they should have, ie, actual respectability and bitcoin cred.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	thankfully, uncommon sense prevailed. so far at least.	[20:43]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what i think on that topic is perhaps apparent from what i do, namely, that i'm even talking about all this.	[20:44]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, for momentum shorts soft landing is the worst fucking news imaginable. so far, we're beating the shit out of a soft flubbery substance the size of a continent.	[20:44]
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*	asciilifeform infers that, should a peculiar effect be seen and mircea_popescu is silent, then it must be truly interesting	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	or imaginary (ie, powerless)	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	it's kinda funny how this works in qm terms. basically, an oracle of the wave function, but just on the real part. is this actually useful ?	[20:45]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/ Odds: 68(Y):32(N) by coin, 67(Y):33(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.57 BTC. Current weight: 94,939.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that's the major change here. after the missed boat of govt mining last year, this year the us fed has actually given its infinite fiat backing to any scheme that convincingly may help, and meanwhile to trying to depress price.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	this isn't something other countries can do, nor do they need to. this is the one opportunity they get to stock up.	[20:51]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hard to see who else could have reanimated the corpse of the 2011-era human wave chump attacks	[20:53]
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mircea_popescu	apparently it's sop.	[20:54]
the20year	for?	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	it boggles the mind what ends up being sop in a system that survives long enough.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	kinda best argument against survival, that. "you'll end up weird."	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony you know i can't look at spagni.net and not think spaghetti on the first pass.	[20:56]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-refund-date-updated-08132014/	[20:56]
fluffypony	lol	[20:56]
fluffypony	that's the way it's meant to be	[20:56]
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los_pantalones	BFL tried to sell ~3k BTC over the counter 10 days ago	[20:59]
los_pantalones	i told them to eff off	[20:59]
los_pantalones	not sure if anyone did the trade	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	they did :)	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	should be interesting, because no way that doesn't get attached.	[20:59]
los_pantalones	was my argument to my buddy who thought about pulling the trigger	[20:59]
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asciilifeform	attached << i.e. wagen ?	[21:00]
los_pantalones	i told him he was a moron and welcome to the litigation party	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in bankruptcy proceedings, suspect trades of the management can be attached to the proceedings.	[21:00]
los_pantalones	yup	[21:00]
los_pantalones	as they should	[21:00]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:00]
los_pantalones	b/c otherwise i'd sell my POS equipment in the corner	[21:00]
los_pantalones	to my buddy	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	in bankruptcy proceedings with an aroma of fraud, criminal liability may flow through such trades	[21:00]
los_pantalones	for whatever price i want, bankrupt the co and walk out w/ cash	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones yeah, no practical way for an unwotted system to work otherwise.	[21:01]
los_pantalones	correct	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	notably the inventors of capitalism didn't either want or use such procedures.	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1126 @ 0.00175578 = 1.977 BTC [-] {11}	[21:01]
asciilifeform	attached, stolen coin << i've long suspected that chumpatrons like eth are 'anmesty funnels' for such stashes	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	but then again they were specifically uninclusive, or should i say anti-inclusive.	[21:02]
asciilifeform	*amnesty	[21:02]
los_pantalones	bbl, DMV time!	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, they aren't in fact, but surely, such is promised.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	anything is promised when the matter at hand is extending the life of promise as a thing into the world.	[21:02]
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thestringpuller	mod6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmif3lNneg	[21:10]
assbot	Jeezy on Sway in the Morning: Jay Z, Rick Ross, His Son, Freddie Gibbs, Illuminati and more - YouTube	[21:10]
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thestringpuller	^ you're welcome	[21:10]
thestringpuller	:D	[21:10]
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mircea_popescu	%d	[21:13]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 215279.89 in 1996 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -88.54	[21:13]
thestringpuller	chain hop chain hop!	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/ << 10 days for 3,65k blocks	[21:14]
assbot	BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time :: 2.5 B (26%) on Yes, 7.05 B (74%) on No \| closed 2 weeks 3 days ago	[21:14]
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mod6	thx tsp :]	[21:15]
mod6	was someone else looking for me earlier?	[21:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 989 @ 0.00174 = 1.7209 BTC [-]	[21:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00171459 = 1.7146 BTC [-] {8}	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 458 @ 0.00171111 = 0.7837 BTC [-] {2}	[21:22]
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jurov	;;bc,convert eur	[21:51]
gribble	1 BTC = 546.99 USD = 409.093821 eur	[21:51]
pankkake	;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur	[21:52]
gribble	Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker \| Best bid: 411.01, Best ask: 414.49999999, Bid-ask spread: 3.49000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 98.8638896, 24 hour low: 401.0, 24 hour high: 433.98, 24 hour vwap: 414.70497387	[21:52]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[21:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1760 @ 0.00171113 = 3.0116 BTC [-] {4}	[21:59]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 545.45, Best ask: 546.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 546.34, 24 hour volume: 24793.05892021, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 545.688021621	[21:59]
thestringpuller	interesting	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	and mpex.ws is back in the game too.	[22:04]
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jurov	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJmk7Q_vw4 lol where i ended up	[22:19]
assbot	Petrodollar Scam Breaking Down - YouTube	[22:19]
jurov	we should bribe him to narrate some trilema material	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	aw shit. sorry.	[22:21]
jurov	lmao mircea	[22:21]
nubbins`	nice paste	[22:21]
assbot	Send Money, Pay Online or Set Up a Merchant Account - PayPal	[22:21]
nubbins`	how many horses did you need to make that much paste :D	[22:21]
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mircea_popescu	fucking youtube scammed me.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the point i had buried under all that failpaste is... wtf, "petrodollar scam breaking down plz send me paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr dollar instead" ?	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	(from #emacs: "better than a gun-activated bitcoin printer")	[22:25]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: emacs-activated gun printer	[22:28]
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the20year	Any RS investors? We just sent out August financials	[22:37]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/89400642/dallas-cowboys-cornerback-orlando-scandrick-crazy-explanation-ped-suspension#!bCM1YY	[22:48]
assbot	Orlando Scandrick tried to explain his PED use. \| SportsonEarth.com : Will Leitch Article	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	here's a funny story from the past : in 1936 (ie, after the disastrous effects of roosevelt's socialist inanity became apparent to anyone worth the mention), literary digest sent out 10mn questionnaires to all the people buying it + anyone with a car or a phone.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	they got ~2.5mn responses.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	according to these, roosevelt was going out of office.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	according to people who didn't read literary digest, own a car or a phone however... he stayed.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	the ~other~ us liberal dictator, died in office, during his 4th term.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	(also author of the sec, in case anyone missed the memo on what exactly the play is "undo the new deal", should they continue unaligned.)	[22:54]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: mdma is performance-enhancing ?	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Amphetamines are which is what the test was positive for. His story is MDMA, because recreational drugs have a lesser penalty (counseling vs. unpaid 4 game suspension)	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	you can test specifically for mdma clearance tho neh ?	[23:01]
BingoBoingo	Prolly, whether the NFL does or not is murky.	[23:01]
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asciilifeform	when i studied ochem (admittedly a while ago) telling the two apart still required a human who could read spectra reasonably well	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	not like they have to test so many samples they can't afford a lab technician	[23:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's usually done with bots	[23:04]
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mircea_popescu	jacking off is also usually done with bots, nevertheless athletes usually can afford stripper service.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not because of quantity, but because 'human factor'	[23:06]
asciilifeform	i.e. this - http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/22/annie-dookhan-former-state-chemist-who-mishandled-drug-evidence-agrees-plead-guilty/7UU3hfZUof4DFJGoNUfXGO/story.html?p1=ArticleTab_Article_Bottom	[23:06]
assbot	Annie Dookhan, former state chemist who mishandled drug evidence, agrees to plead guilty - Metro - The Boston Globe	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	not like this is an unmanageable problem.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	have three of them.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	like soviet rocket assemblers	[23:07]
asciilifeform	sure	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	the courts can';t afford it and the das don't want it, but that is immaterial here i'd guess.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	korolev, afaik, invented this system	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	well it's not so much to invent, babylonians prolly invented it.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	if not, the roman triumvirate works as invention too	[23:08]
asciilifeform	one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign.	[23:08]
asciilifeform	all 3 answer with heads.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	alternatively, they do all 3 in different gulag stations	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	then results compared at moscow	[23:09]
asciilifeform	rocket's a bitch to move.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	make three rockets.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	whichever rocket is not seen... it's where the other rockets land.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	very fair system, too.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	'two in a box' school of management.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	you recall the romanian bridgebuilding joke ?	[23:10]
chetty	thats a joke? I thought it was a true story!	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	lol well that's why it's funny.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, if you meant two in a box like this idiocy : http://www.opposingviews.com/i/two-in-a-box-management-works-like-equal-parenting it's exactly not what i had in mind.	[23:12]
assbot	'Two in a Box' Management Works Like Equal Parenting	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	the irrelevant and replaceable parts are the actors, not the agents.	[23:13]
asciilifeform	nah the other two-in-a-box. e.g. let's have kgb and gru play same field	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	there's no need for two guys to come up with ways to test the mdma. one's enough. there may be need for three dudes to implement the testing, however.	[23:13]
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asciilifeform	sometimes human factor is a plus (soviet nuke subs, manual reactor controls)	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2004/07/01/374834/ << for historical interest. this is how the party records looked back when the usg had few and marginal enemies, a solid grip on power, and people looked at the usgisation of places like intel as a Good Thing.	[23:15]
assbot	How Intel Grooms Its Leaders The succession formula is downright revolutionary: It picks CEOs years in advance, without drama or surprise. - July 1, 2004	[23:15]
asciilifeform	pipetting liquids in a predefined volume all day long is not one of these cases	[23:15]
asciilifeform	machine wins. but three drivers sitting in front of it, sure	[23:15]
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asciilifeform	'This extremely rare type of keyswitch actually presses a fake switch, similar to the Cherry MX Blue ‘jumping bean’ mechanism... Underneath each row of keys is an isolated ‘transfer bar’, which the sliding ‘beans’ strike. On each end of the bar, a transducer (i.e. microphone or piezo) picks up the sound of the strike transmitted through the bar. The difference in arrival time between the two transduc	[23:24]
asciilifeform	ers tells which key was pressed... It’s corrosion resistant, impervious to the environment, and yes – it will work underwater.'	[23:24]
asciilifeform	(http://blog.keyboard.io/post/93901487184/what-you-and-i-missed-at-keycon-2014)	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	keycon ?!	[23:25]
*	asciilifeform was surprised too	[23:25]
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asciilifeform	principle is ancient though. it's how the first 'artist tablets' worked	[23:26]
asciilifeform	with a spark gap for the audio source	[23:26]
asciilifeform	(triangulated sound)	[23:26]
asciilifeform	1960s if i recall	[23:27]
asciilifeform	(and the by now known to virtually everyone nsa typewriter trick)	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.ziuaconstanta.ro/images/stories/2014/08/03/radu-mazare_stefan-cel-mare/radu-mazare_stefan-cel-mare_1.jpg << this guy is the mayor of a seaside romanian town.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	http://observatordeconstanta.ro/cdn/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/carnaval_mamaia_2014-29.jpg << same dude.	[23:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://observatordeconstanta.ro/cdn/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/carnaval-mamaia1.jpg http://www.urban.ro/data/Image/image/artisti%20noi/radu%20mazare%20-%20costum.jpg etc	[23:32]
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ben_vulpes	!t h rent	[23:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00403501 / 0.00440115 / 0.00450000 (245 shares, 1.07828173 BTC), 7D: 0.00389999 / 0.00421793 / 0.00450000 (1864 shares, 7.86221338 BTC), 30D: 0.00305500 / 0.00407116 / 0.00540000 (10338 shares, 42.08760370 BTC)	[23:38]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: bitcoin-gunned emacs printer	[23:39]
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BingoBoingo	%t	[23:43]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 152k High: 195 Low: 188 VWAP: 192	[23:43]
BingoBoingo	%ob	[23:43]
atcbot	16k@250 1k@245 43k@225 \| 185k@190 47k@188 37k@187	[23:43]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[23:43]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 542.5, Best ask: 543.18, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 543.18, 24 hour volume: 24947.54085957, 24 hour low: 524.55, 24 hour high: 572.0, 24 hour vwap: 545.10933068	[23:43]
BingoBoingo	%d	[23:43]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 189345.91 in 1995 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.92	[23:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00185199 = 0.7408 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
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mircea_popescu	what i want to know is, how's eskimobob's rent a clay oven business working.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	has it roi hand over fist yet ?	[23:49]
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mod6	lel	[23:51]
the20year	the litecoin pottery investment?	[23:52]
the20year	ART on LTCG	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	yes that	[23:53]
the20year	i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY	[23:53]
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BingoBoingo	http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/dallas-police-anti-government-corinth-gunman-said-he-wanted-to-occupy-house-in-far-north-dallas.html/	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	the worst thing in that pic is the astroturf.	[23:58]
BingoBoingo	lol	[23:58]
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mircea_popescu	"LeGuin did tell a 911 call taker that he intended to occupy the Far North Dallas house as a sovereign nation for himself."	[23:58]
asciilifeform	cremated by polizei in own astroturf ?	[23:58]
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asciilifeform	or wait, alive	[23:58]
BingoBoingo	alive	[23:58]
FabianB	$mpexstatus	[23:59]
empyex	FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[23:59]
empyex	FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (683 milliseconds), mpex.bz (605 milliseconds), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (769 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (889 milliseconds)	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	Maj. Jeff Cotner of the crimes against persons division said the whole incident was surreal. “I’ve been here 32 1/2 years. This is bizarre,” he said. <<< dear usg worker, do yourself a favour, read http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ today.	[23:59]
assbot	The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing "surreal" about it and it's not going away. it will have your throat slit if you persist. love, mp.	[23:59]

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