Forum logs for 12 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu burberry bag Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:36 d.m. "Hurrah, that The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. what I was exploring for, what a stuff! existing here at this website, thanks admin of this website." [00:27]
mircea_popescu what a stuff! [00:27]
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mircea_popescu Nike Free Run 5 Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:51 d.m. "I all the time used to study article The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. in news papers but now as I am a user of internet thus from now I am using net for content, thanks to web." [00:29]
mircea_popescu thanks to web! [00:29]
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mod6 email treasures [00:31]
mircea_popescu yup [00:32]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [00:38]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.0, Best ask: 574.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 574.12, 24 hour volume: 5758.24513809, 24 hour low: 571.0, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0 [00:38]
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nubbins` what a stuff [00:47]
asciilifeform [00:48]
assbot Optalysys and Optical computing | Locklin on science [00:48]
nubbins` [00:49]
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nubbins` mp at the planetarium [00:49]
asciilifeform (why? [00:49]
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mircea_popescu shit nubbins`, what a stuff! [00:51]
nubbins` :D [00:52]
nubbins` i've got more of you holding babies and stuff too [00:53]
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mircea_popescu "While quantum computing appears to be turning into a multi-decade over-hyped boondoggle of a field, there is no reason why optical computers might not become important." [00:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is this the equivalent of "no offense, but fuck you and that whore of your mother" ? [00:54]
asciilifeform nothing so spicy. just the notion that analogue computing could come back (it was a gloriously interesting field back in the day, dust off some books, fun) [00:55]
asciilifeform see 2nd link. [00:55]
asciilifeform (example of optical 'knapsack packer', posted here some time ago) [00:55]
asciilifeform seems like... [00:55]
asciilifeform they're selling it. [00:55]
mircea_popescu you're just a massive underdog rooter is the thing [00:55]
asciilifeform (or at least pretending to sell it) [00:55]
chetty what we gonna string core again? [00:56]
nubbins` [00:56]
assbot Every Day Is Goof-Off-At-Work Day At the US Patent and Trademark Office - Slashdot [00:56]
* asciilifeform is selective about breed of underdog [00:56]
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nubbins` wowwwwwww [00:56]
nubbins` always suspected, now i know [00:56]
nubbins` "Our quality standards are low," one supervisor told the investigators. [00:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no argument there. [00:56]
asciilifeform nubbins`: they're given quotas (how many patents judged / month) [00:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you think tsa/nsa/anya is any different ? [00:57]
* asciilifeform knows folks working there [00:57]
nubbins` i've seen tsa agents up-close, most of them probably did basic math in high school [00:57]
nubbins` balancing checkbooks and shit [00:57]
asciilifeform there is no 'quality control' (in the usual sense) at uspto - the expectation is that 'mistakes' will be challenged in court. [00:58]
chetty EPA and IRS seem to find stuff to do [00:58]
mircea_popescu chetty yes, that's like the swat team. working for the irs is fun, you get to talk to really scared people all the time [00:59]
nubbins` a large badge that reads "the man" produces the same effect as a large stick, turns out [00:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is rather like imagining that working in a slaughterhouse is fun [01:00]
mircea_popescu it is. [01:00]
nubbins` "you get to cum like ten times a shift" [01:00]
asciilifeform killing things that can't fight back - where's the fun [01:00]
asciilifeform no 'resistance of the medium' [01:00]
mircea_popescu plenty of resistence of the medium. [01:00]
mircea_popescu this is why you can tell venison from butter. [01:00]
asciilifeform venison - resistance. beef - ? [01:01]
mircea_popescu paper doesn't exactly fight back in the sense of hitting bad poets over the head, either. [01:01]
mircea_popescu it should, but it doesn't. [01:01]
mircea_popescu What can it do? Matrix math, basically. Obviously, even thinking about this in the most hand-wavey manner, optical computers should be good at image processing. When you break down what is involved in image processing, matrix math and Fourier transforms come to mind. We know how to do matrix math with optical computers. The limiting aspect is how many elements you can encode and modulate quickly. An optical matrix mu [01:01]
mircea_popescu ltiplication doodad will do it in time, up to the limiting size of the matrices that can be encoded in such a machine. This is huge, as most matrix multiplications are for square matrices of size N. There is all manner of work done on improving matrix multiplication and other forms of matrix math via statistical methods (subject of a coming blog post); the problem is very important, as is pretty bad on large proble [01:01]
mircea_popescu ms. People who have studied the history of computer science know how important the Fast Fourier Transform was. It reduced the 1-d Fourier transform from operations to , opening up vast new applications to signal processing techniques. [01:01]
mircea_popescu ok, i'm sold. he has a solid point there. [01:01]
asciilifeform see TWINKLE and TWIRL [01:02]
asciilifeform (touched in previous discussion, i think) [01:02]
mircea_popescu what sort of insane nut puts o(n^3) as AN IMAGE in the text. [01:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not all browsers support 'mathml' [01:03]
asciilifeform so reasonable. [01:03]
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mircea_popescu i didn't mean it negatively, i meant it admiratively. [01:03]
asciilifeform lel [01:03]
nubbins` heh [01:04]
nubbins` lots of wikipedia math articles do that [01:04]
nubbins` sucks [01:04]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's the sound of mp actually sending the corp an email to see if they want investment or mebbe even ipo. [01:10]
asciilifeform thought it was a bezzlecorp [01:11]
mircea_popescu one way to find out. [01:11]
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asciilifeform i.e. black hole into which investment goes, emerges as burst of gamma rays and gently used cocaine [01:11]
mircea_popescu nah, they only got 500k [01:12]
nubbins` ugh, i remember eigenvalues and eigenvectors [01:13]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how... << generally by doing business with, or perhaps more commonly working for, the people already in the wot. [01:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:13]
nubbins` "my husband got in the wot and all i got was a lousy box of shirts in which a bunch of spiders have taken up nest" [01:14]
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mircea_popescu which reminds me, didja ship the ohio guy those posters ? [01:14]
nubbins` [01:15]
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mircea_popescu lol i c [01:15]
nubbins` :D [01:15]
mircea_popescu hadn't gotten that far into the log. [01:15]
nubbins` i think you'll like em [01:15]
mircea_popescu o hey. [01:16]
mircea_popescu you didn't put any chained tits on them or anything did you ? [01:16]
nubbins` nooooo, imagine moving into a rental & finding such :0 [01:16]
mircea_popescu srsly. [01:16]
mircea_popescu "hello and welcome to DOOM PROPERTIES!" [01:17]
nubbins` i was actually printing a run of posters earlier (pix to follow) and stopped mid-poster to scribble down a couple paragraphs of ideas [01:17]
nubbins` it got all wrinkly on the vac table ;( [01:17]
mircea_popescu you got a vacuum table ?! [01:17]
nubbins` natch [01:18]
nubbins` not for making clamshells, more like an air hockey table in reverse [01:18]
nubbins` only way to print paper :D [01:19]
mircea_popescu spaking of which, [01:19]
nubbins` heh. [01:19]
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nubbins` terrifying [01:19]
nubbins` [01:19]
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chetty O speech today [01:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust << it's not that bad, is it ? [01:21]
nubbins` it's pretty bad [01:22]
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mircea_popescu maybe we talk of different things. do you have the "loan me 10 bitcents for trust" things ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu chetty i dun get it ? [01:22]
nubbins` if i see a ratings page full of "user x repaid his loan in full", not a chance will i go out on a limb for him [01:23]
mircea_popescu from users you know or don't know ? [01:23]
nubbins` don't know, definitely [01:23]
nubbins` know, depends on context [01:23]
mircea_popescu well ok. but you know, if the loan is large enough and the people involved known enough, it's just business. [01:23]
chetty chetty i dun get it ?// empty suit,empty chair,empty podium [01:24]
nubbins` oh, sure, yeah. [01:24]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone puts much value on the ratings of users they don't know. [01:24]
mircea_popescu not anyone very sane, at any rate. [01:24]
mircea_popescu if you do that might as well read the forum straight. [01:24]
mircea_popescu chetty lol [01:24]
mircea_popescu aaaand the ltc is under one bitcent. [01:26]
mircea_popescu MORE SILVER! [01:26]
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mircea_popescu "I try to let my feelings about jed, facebook, and maybe, social entitlment get out of the way and see things with logic ripple vs Stellar or both in a basket. I tried to get some of that free STR and me not having a facebook account made that hard to impossible and kinda deactivated my unbias view of the ecosystem." [01:29]
mircea_popescu social entitlement ? [01:29]
mircea_popescu i can't imagine there ever lived a more easy to hate generation. [01:30]
nubbins` hmm [01:30]
nubbins` isn't social entitlement just a different way of saying you're cool? [01:30]
mircea_popescu it really doesn't take any effort. [01:30]
nubbins` i've got lots of social entitlement, i guess [01:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i suspect what he means is that he isn't cool, can't be bothered to even try and doesn't ~FEEL~ this shoulkd make any difference. [01:30]
nubbins` i occasionally kick people out of bars for fun [01:30]
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nubbins` oh yeah, did i tell you guys we won a couple awards in the local arts rag? [01:31]
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mircea_popescu no ? [01:31]
mircea_popescu any of them for lipstick peacock competition ? [01:32]
nubbins` close [01:32]
nubbins` [01:32]
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nubbins` best book cover, runner-up for best place to get your album art or show posters [01:32]
mircea_popescu who got the 1st place ? [01:32]
nubbins` [01:33]
assbot - Jud Haynes [01:33]
nubbins` well-deserved [01:33]
nubbins` incidentally, we printed the 2nd poster in the 2nd row [01:33]
nubbins` the "hey rosetta" one [01:34]
mircea_popescu +/u/dogetipbot 5 doge ahahha check that out [01:34]
nubbins` heh [01:34]
mircea_popescu they're tipping in hairs and nail clippings by now [01:34]
nubbins` what's 5 doge, epsilon? [01:34]
mircea_popescu ima totally fucking do this, you know, if i'm ever in a place where hte fucking waitress is all doge-fan [01:34]
mircea_popescu ima tip her a pubic hair. [01:34]
mircea_popescu (worth >10 doge) [01:34]
nubbins` "gotta be what, 3 doge?" [01:35]
nubbins` oh, you don't trim [01:35]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [01:35]
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mircea_popescu dude my pubic hair is really gnarly. [01:35]
mircea_popescu you could prolly make baseball bats out of some of these. [01:35]
nubbins` ew [01:36]
nubbins` dem pores [01:36]
nubbins` some parts of my body tend to grow multiple hairs out of the same follicle [01:37]
nubbins` it's pretty cool [01:37]
mircea_popescu imagine if eyeballs did that. [01:37]
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nubbins` i try not to imagine my eyeballs too much [01:38]
nubbins` else i start thinking about the mites i'm mashing into them whenever i rub [01:38]
mircea_popescu all good protein. [01:38]
BingoBoingo %t [01:38]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 349k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198 [01:38]
nubbins` tongue won't reach that far up ;( [01:38]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm << that's such bs. [01:38]
nubbins` but xkcd said ;( [01:38]
chetty [01:39]
assbot Judicial Watch Statement on Declarations by IRS Officials in the IRS Missing Emails Case | Judicial Watch [01:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, you mash them into the eye, the lacrimal glands wash them into the nose drain, from whece they drip straight into your duodenum [01:39]
nubbins` ah, that explains the bad taste [01:39]
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mircea_popescu chetty judge should make an order creating adverse precedent for the irs. [01:41]
mircea_popescu "any taxpayer may prevail themselves of equal standards in any proceedings in this circuit". [01:41]
nubbins` check it out: [01:41]
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BingoBoingo %d [01:42]
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nubbins` 12x18", yellow and silver on black kraft, edition of 55 [01:43]
mircea_popescu !up godovo [01:44]
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godovo danke, but I've got nothing to say [01:45]
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mircea_popescu :p [01:45]
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godovo it is sort of depressing reading the log/blog and understanding how miserable you are [01:45]
nubbins` oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today [01:45]
mircea_popescu how does that go ? [01:45]
nubbins` overall, not a bad start to the week [01:45]
mircea_popescu nubbins` global warming affecting coins ? [01:45]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the prices are rising faster than the mean global temperature [01:46]
mircea_popescu this is easily explained through this mathematical model. [01:46]
nubbins` hey, that's the third line of the "what is bitcoin" posters [01:47]
nubbins` i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate [01:47]
nubbins` she was thrilled [01:47]
mircea_popescu lol [01:47]
mircea_popescu what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper" [01:48]
nubbins` heh [01:48]
nubbins` boxed american-style goulash ;D [01:48]
nubbins` [01:49]
mircea_popescu "our cheesiest flavour" ?! [01:49]
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nubbins` inorite [01:50]
nubbins` in my defense i just made goulash from scratch [01:51]
mircea_popescu omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation). [01:51]
nubbins` that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder [01:51]
nubbins` that's it [01:51]
mircea_popescu what sort of burgeois concilliatory anti-pseudo-scientific nonsense is this! out of wikipedia, the red flanel of the regime! [01:51]
nubbins` but they accept btc [01:51]
mircea_popescu no, they don't. [01:51]
mircea_popescu they accept coinbase or w/e it is [01:52]
nubbins` oh, lame. [01:52]
nubbins` that's not the same thing at fucking all [01:52]
mircea_popescu SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: host []: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable [01:53]
mircea_popescu fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then. [01:53]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? [01:53]
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nubbins` it's not [01:54]
nubbins` it doesn't even come with the meat [01:54]
nubbins` it's just noodles and powdered sodium benzoate [01:55]
nubbins` for $4 [01:55]
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BingoBoingo nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? << This is what marketing does, convincing people to save time at the store by buying the box and some meat instead off... food [01:56]
mircea_popescu on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x trilema credit orders a day by now. [01:56]
mircea_popescu almost enough to live off [01:56]
mircea_popescu in some parts of the world. [01:56]
nubbins` not bad [01:56]
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nubbins` i'm down to like [01:56]
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nubbins` 96! [01:56]
mircea_popescu no way ?! [01:56]
nubbins` yah, i think i started with over 1k [01:57]
mircea_popescu o, ok. [01:57]
nubbins` so, thanks for the content, i guess [01:57]
mircea_popescu imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles. [01:57]
mircea_popescu it's like 100+ books. [01:58]
nubbins` hey, we publish books ;D [01:58]
mircea_popescu hm. on second thought, i guess most people worth talking to actually read over 100 books. [01:58]
nubbins` i read over 100 books by probably the second grade [01:58]
mircea_popescu yeah. [01:58]
mircea_popescu im starting to grok this. [01:58]
nubbins` no longer a common thing, this [01:58]
mircea_popescu for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day. [01:59]
BingoBoingo godovo: [01:59]
assbot Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:59]
mircea_popescu well, 1 bitcent on trilema is way better value than 10 bux on amzon [01:59]
nubbins` oh, that's another thing i noticed about yoorup [01:59]
nubbins` people read books on the fuckin metro [01:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yup, whole trainloads. [01:59]
nubbins` it's all phones here [01:59]
nubbins` people "checking" their facebook [02:00]
BigBitz Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan... [02:00]
BigBitz mircea_popescu- ( squatting [02:00]
mircea_popescu i knew this chick, her thing was, she'd go through the trains at the end collect discarded books [02:00]
mircea_popescu put them on sale for ~1 pound each [02:00]
mircea_popescu BigBitz lol thanks god for ident. [02:00]
BigBitz :) [02:00]
nubbins` not a bad way to make money [02:01]
mircea_popescu where is this anyway ? [02:01]
nubbins` not in a chan afaics [02:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord [02:01]
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mircea_popescu BigBitz where is this anyway ? [02:02]
BigBitz mircea_popescu Freenode, of course. [02:02]
BigBitz message him :) [02:02]
mircea_popescu i thought some chan [02:02]
BigBitz He'll say either "dumb fuck" or "fucking faggot" or something as witty. [02:02]
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BigBitz He's not in any chan. He's squatting you and trying to scam OTC folks. [02:02]
mircea_popescu o pm thing ? [02:02]
BigBitz Yup... [02:03]
nubbins` ;;google robin williams death [02:03]
gribble Robin Williams dead 2014 : Actor killed by celebrity death hoax ...: ; Robin Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Robin Williams - Actor,Comedian - Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life ...: [02:03]
mircea_popescu BigBitz tell him to start a blog. then link him to [02:04]
assbot Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 [02:04]
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mircea_popescu then do ;;calc 235.16906445 * mtgoxlast [02:04]
BigBitz Please don't tell me these are crazy people who pay to read your blog, mircea_popescu? :) [02:04]
nubbins` BigBitz, it was like a dollar! [02:04]
mircea_popescu no, the crazies dun wanna pay. [02:04]
BigBitz damn crazies. [02:05]
mircea_popescu they figure they got enough crazy on their own, don't need trilema. [02:05]
BigBitz Who owns that address? [02:05]
nubbins` BigBitz, mircea_popescu: [02:05]
mircea_popescu it's the trilema credits address. [02:05]
assbot dpaste: 1VKSYD5 [02:05]
nubbins` heh [02:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that's bizarre, why'd he refuse. [02:06]
BigBitz LOL [02:06]
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nubbins` i know, right? [02:07]
nubbins` i was ready to send [02:07]
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mircea_popescu noobs today. can't even scam. [02:07]
RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - I dug up that clearsign bot module in pyth here [02:07]
assbot [Python] cex-bot clearsign - [02:07]
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mircea_popescu o hey, danke. [02:08]
RagnarDanneskjol mhmm [02:08]
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nubbins` !up kdomanski [02:08]
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nubbins` see? i'm un-impostorable [02:08]
nubbins`- yeah, you are. [02:08]
nubbins` who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a - [02:08]
nubbins`- Mr8====D ? [02:09]
nubbins` heh [02:09]
nubbins`- * Mr8====D :Erroneous Nickname [02:09]
nubbins`- bs. [02:09]
* You are now known as Mr8-----D [02:09]
Mr8-----D dicknode only allows slimc0x [02:09]
Mr8-----D ;;ident [02:10]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mr8-----D', with hostmask 'Mr8-----D!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None [02:10]
Mr8-----D mmkay. [02:10]
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nubbins` gtk [02:11]
godovo mircea_popescu: y u allow people using tor reading your stuff for free? [02:12]
mircea_popescu godovo it only works until they run out of credits on the exit nodes. [02:12]
nubbins` who needs tor? use anonymouse [02:12]
nubbins` hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine [02:13]
godovo mircea_popescu: there are plenty of nodes [02:13]
nubbins` this sounds like a job for... [02:13]
nubbins` ;;google lagwagon mr coffee [02:13]
gribble LAGWAGON - Mr. Coffee - YouTube: ; Mr. Coffee by Lagwagon on Spotify: ; Lagwagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [02:13]
godovo mircea_popescu: why not blacklist them all? [02:13]
mircea_popescu godovo define plenty ? [02:13]
mircea_popescu why would i blacklist them ? let people have fun. [02:14]
godovo >1k? [02:14]
mircea_popescu lol so what's > 1k. [02:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23018 @ 0.00073925 = 17.0161 BTC [-] [02:14]
mircea_popescu godovo << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %. [02:15]
nubbins` !up godovo [02:15]
assbot Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:15]
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mircea_popescu moreover, the idea isn't to make it impossible for people to read for free. the idea is to make it not cost effective. [02:16]
nubbins` it takes me several credits worth of time to load trilema through anonymouse [02:16]
mircea_popescu that way, the people whoi can afford to pay, and the people who can't aren't hussled. best of both worlds. [02:17]
nubbins` oh dammit i forgot about the bread [02:17]
nubbins` it rose and fell :( [02:18]
cazalla that moment when you realise it cost you more of your time to find proxies to read than 0.01 [02:18]
godovo cazalla: 0.01 is a lot [02:18]
nubbins` no it's not [02:18]
nubbins` that's a pint of ben & jerry's [02:18]
godovo not when you're buying coin with all the cash you have [02:18]
nubbins` who in the fuck would buy coins [02:19]
BingoBoingo godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months [02:19]
mircea_popescu bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today << [02:19]
nubbins` :D [02:19]
nubbins` selling is the new buying [02:20]
mircea_popescu what, nobody bought, you just sold ? what are you, the us fed ? [02:20]
cazalla i'd rather suck dicks than sell tbh [02:20]
mircea_popescu i'd rather sell people dicks to suck. [02:20]
godovo ^ [02:20]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: i still don't know who in the fuck would buy them ;D [02:20]
nubbins` i'm surprised every time [02:21]
mircea_popescu here's a newsflash : YOU BOUGHT THEM [02:21]
nubbins` tbf i phrased improperly earlier, i meant who in the fuck would buy btc [02:21]
nubbins` with "in this day and age!" implied [02:21]
* asciilifeform gets this; can't bring himself to actually -spend- btc on anything. [02:22]
nubbins` who in the fuck would buy actual clinky coins? collectors [02:22]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` everyone who wants to remain relevant going forward. [02:22]
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nubbins` all those people should already have btc ;( [02:22]
mircea_popescu orly. [02:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'being relevant going forward' needs metal coins ? [02:23]
nubbins` it's 2014! [02:23]
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mircea_popescu because nobody was too fucking smart to ditch something awful and suck our cock instead. like, ever. [02:23]
kakobrekla !up mjr_ [02:23]
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mircea_popescu like, when sec got told what to do, it just... did it, none of that "we're too good to do what our betters tell us to do" [02:23]
nubbins` asciilifeform i think this is one of those parallel discussions [02:23]
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mircea_popescu !up LitecoinSchadenf [02:23]
-assbot- You voiced LitecoinSchadenf for 30 minutes. [02:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform he clarified he meant btc [02:23]
mjr_ hi all [02:23]
malaimo mariorz MCM-Mike miaoux midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio mjr_ MobGod mod6 mrstickball_ mthreat [02:23]
malaimo mariorz MCM-Mike miaoux midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio mjr_ MobGod mod6 mrstickball_ mthreat [02:23]
mircea_popescu hey mjr_ [02:23]
asciilifeform aha [02:23]
mjr_ whats new? [02:24]
LitecoinSchadenf LTC/Doge in the tank - so happy [02:24]
mjr_ was having trouble getting to [02:24]
mircea_popescu under a bitcent huh. [02:24]
mircea_popescu mjr_ when did you last try ? [02:24]
nubbins` mjr_ [02:24]
mjr_ i'm out of the loop as usual, so figured i would check here [02:24]
mircea_popescu ;;isdown [02:24]
gribble Error: "isdown" is not a valid command. [02:24]
mircea_popescu ;;isitdown [02:24]
nubbins` hasn't worked for me in ages [02:24]
gribble is down [02:24]
mircea_popescu o no fucking way [02:24]
mjr_ You don't have permission to access / on this server. [02:24]
mjr_ Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. [02:24]
nubbins` at least a few days [02:24]
cazalla LitecoinSchadenf, it's just the start too :P [02:24]
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LitecoinSchadenf yup! :) [02:24]
mjr_ ah ok, thanks guys [02:24]
nubbins` maybe that's why it couldn't find my public key ;D [02:25]
godovo will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value [02:25]
mircea_popescu well it was working for a while, actually. [02:25]
mircea_popescu but seems some proxies died a thousand deaths. [02:25]
mjr_ ooh, i seem to have missed a lot [02:25]
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LitecoinSchadenf [02:25]
assbot The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) [02:25]
BingoBoingo !up The20YearIRCloud [02:26]
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mjr_ LitecoinSchadenf: I can only hope... [02:26]
nubbins` so after ~40 hours the cop guard outside next door moved along [02:26]
mjr_ i LOL'd so hard at Stellar... [02:26]
nubbins` guess that means the death wasn't a homicide [02:26]
The20YearIRCloud When I grow up ill vnc to my office and up myself [02:26]
mjr_ not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it [02:26]
mjr_ the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's... [02:27]
mjr_ almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find [02:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I believe The20YearIRCloud called you old [02:27]
LitecoinSchadenf what's your issue with the MIses Circle/Nakamoto Institute? [02:27]
The20YearIRCloud I did? [02:28]
BingoBoingo %t [02:28]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 342k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198 [02:28]
BingoBoingo %d [02:28]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1783050.20 in 336 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.74 [02:28]
mjr_ ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP) [02:28]
* asciilifeform still waiting for an alt that isn't an obvious premine scam [02:28]
pete_dushenski ;;nethash [02:28]
gribble 177066673.252 [02:28]
mjr_ asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while... [02:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: vnc << lol [02:29]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: there was that one that tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined. [02:29]
pete_dushenski can't remember the name now [02:29]
nubbins` ;;google derps [02:29]
gribble Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Further derps - Trilema: ; F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [02:29]
mjr_ personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin... [02:29]
mircea_popescu mjr_ nah that's not it at all. it's much more like the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading. [02:29]
godovo pete_dushenski: how did it end? [02:29]
mircea_popescu point in case, the eth launch [02:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What about Altcoin? [02:29]
* asciilifeform loves the presumed-winblows that always pops up in random n0obs' comments [02:29]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: there's a point [02:29]
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mjr_ mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so [02:30]
mircea_popescu no you can't. im talking of the hyip crap. where do you think all these forum-ceos are coming from ? [02:30]
pete_dushenski godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins [02:30]
mjr_ mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble. [02:31]
mjr_ You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams... [02:31]
The20YearIRCloud Just about [02:31]
mjr_ if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin [02:31]
nubbins` mjr_, try using bitbet :D [02:31]
mircea_popescu you can' tshort them because there is nobody buying them lol/ [02:31]
mjr_ ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute [02:31]
mircea_popescu otherwise one could short them either as futures (like i am trying to shoirt eth/doge) [02:31]
mjr_ nubbins`: thanks for the tip [02:31]
mircea_popescu or yeah, on bitbet. [02:32]
mjr_ that is what i meant [02:32]
godovo mircea_popescu: btw, any takers on the eth "deal"? [02:32]
mircea_popescu but inasmuch as the market for them is exactly 0... there's no way to short. nor do they have any value [02:32]
asciilifeform mjr_: '... your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin' << there is a set of ideas that are only 'good', from the point of view of their proponents, if other people are (made to) use them. [02:32]
mjr_ i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell [02:32]
mircea_popescu godovo buncha people want to talk about it. [02:32]
asciilifeform see 'demurrage' and the like [02:32]
mjr_ that is not a good idea [02:32]
mjr_ but i get your point [02:32]
asciilifeform good for the scammer. [02:32]
godovo mircea_popescu: I bet they want "guarantees" or escrow [02:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it. [02:32]
mircea_popescu godovo nope. [02:32]
mjr_ what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea [02:33]
mjr_ it would make it into bitcoin [02:33]
godovo mircea_popescu: what's there to talk about then? [02:33]
mjr_ but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you [02:33]
mircea_popescu godovo beats me. look through the logs, it's all there. [02:33]
mircea_popescu mjr_ there's very little ideas to be had and very many people who like to tell themselves htey have ideas. [02:33]
mjr_ so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego" [02:33]
mjr_ that is my point mircea_popescu [02:33]
godovo will do [02:34]
mjr_ IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt [02:34]
mjr_ if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt [02:34]
mircea_popescu somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans, the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably tied to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc. [02:34]
mjr_ hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens [02:34]
mjr_ there are more than 1 implementation [02:35]
kakobrekla now xapo is sending out spam. lol. [02:35]
mjr_ if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it [02:35]
mjr_ bitcoind has to follow [02:35]
mjr_ so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate [02:36]
pete_dushenski [02:36]
assbot Jerry the Bear Using Bitcoin to Help Children With Type 1 Diabetes Bitcoin Magazine [02:36]
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mjr_ demons? [02:37]
nubbins` using bitcoin to help children with type 1 diabetes [02:37]
mjr_ don't want to get into religion [02:37]
mjr_ ;) [02:37]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: isn't it all for the children? [02:37]
asciilifeform IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea it would make it into bitcoin << increasingly less likely with every idiot-alt. [02:38]
nubbins` it's all for the prescient [02:38]
asciilifeform paging herr naggum! [02:38]
asciilifeform '...people who hate parts of the language, some of the people who created it, or some of the process that created it, who hold personal grudges they cannot let go of, or who think the best way to "improve" the language is to stay in the community and spread negativity and tear down everybody else's enthusiasm, do just that. No improvement at all will take place when such negativity rules because everybody is af [02:38]
asciilifeform raid that if they open up for any change at all, the destructive forces will win and the language they love will be destroyed by the hatemongers and destroyers who seek only their own personal revenge over feature wars lost. And that is precisely the case with Common Lisp. Strong negative forces want to reverse several decisions and threaten to destabilize the language, so in order to maintain the necessary pe [02:38]
asciilifeform ace that will allow developers to use this language at all, _nothing_ happens. By mounting a constant attack on the standards process, the nutcases who are never going to be happy with the language, anyway, ensure that their negative attitude keeps everyone else from being happy and becoming happier, too.' [02:38]
asciilifeform ( [02:39]
asciilifeform we're re-living history, in a way. the sane folks are ever less likely to 'reopen the btcd standard' with every passing day of derp. [02:39]
kakobrekla o i got this one, its 'doom' [02:40]
mjr_ daemon? [02:41]
mjr_ as in a background process? [02:41]
mjr_ not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity? [02:41]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait << such gold [02:42]
mjr_ either way, people vote with their mining power [02:42]
mjr_ ok... [02:42]
mjr_ so when that pool got over 51% [02:42]
mjr_ bitcoin failed right? [02:42]
The20YearIRCloud I want to IPO [02:42]
mjr_ oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40 [02:42]
mjr_ so, if things need to change, they change [02:42]
mjr_ this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2 [02:42]
mjr_ this is money [02:42]
mjr_ and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick [02:43]
mjr_ considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months [02:43]
mjr_ i don't think we have this calcification that you point to [02:43]
mjr_ the only question is WHICH changes [02:43]
mjr_ and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument [02:43]
mjr_ that is 100% academic [02:43]
mjr_ most use python 2 [02:44]
mjr_ the creator wants them to use python 3 [02:44]
mjr_ they don't [02:44]
mjr_ and won't [02:44]
mjr_ yes exactly [02:44]
mjr_ even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3 [02:44]
mjr_ so... [02:44]
asciilifeform bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << what are the miners running? [02:44]
asciilifeform that'd be the standard [02:44]
mjr_ he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does [02:44]
asciilifeform not the phoundation turd [02:44]
mjr_ that is exactly my point [02:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea. [02:45]
mjr_ the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes [02:45]
mjr_ not some guy at a foundation [02:45]
mjr_ which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change [02:45]
mjr_ what are the miners running? [02:45]
mircea_popescu enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better. [02:45]
mjr_ lol [02:46]
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mjr_ markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum [02:46]
mjr_ and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point [02:46]
mjr_ if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already [02:46]
pete_dushenski punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude [02:47]
mjr_ there is no need to launch an alt [02:47]
BingoBoingo !up godovo lulz mine [02:47]
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mircea_popescu considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011. [02:47]
mjr_ perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted [02:47]
mjr_ ok... [02:47]
mjr_ so bitcoin addresses [02:47]
mjr_ instead of ip addresses [02:48]
mjr_ messaging fields [02:48]
mjr_ i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like [02:48]
mjr_ and you can runn a diff on the code if you want [02:48]
mircea_popescu i can refer you to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ? [02:48]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out. < [02:48]
asciilifeform btc is probably, for better or worse, frozen solid. [02:48]
mjr_ i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 [02:48]
asciilifeform because the burden of proof on anybody pushing a 'pheature' to demonstrate that he isn't slipping in a semantic - or syntactic - pwnh0le - is just about impossible to meet. [02:49]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: and more so with every passing petahash [02:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off to the nutty colonists cca 1700. [02:49]
mircea_popescu mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able to run. [02:49]
mircea_popescu you can translte the miner';s desire to "runn different code" in the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on the forum. [02:50]
mircea_popescu there's an entire class of them, occasionally i bitchslap them into the abyss, but whatever. [02:50]
mjr_ ...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses [02:50]
asciilifeform an improvement, even if genuine, will be condemned to grind out a meagre existence as an altchain. [02:50]
mircea_popescu i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 <<< this. [02:50]
mjr_ and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before [02:50]
mjr_ so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong [02:51]
mircea_popescu that's fine. narrowing is always fine. [02:51]
mjr_ you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed [02:51]
mjr_ and perhaps they never will [02:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sounds perfect, really. [02:51]
BingoBoingo !up Jezzz Good Boy! [02:51]
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mjr_ but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added [02:51]
mircea_popescu mjr_ yes, it is to say exactly that. [02:51]
mjr_ you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed [02:51]
mjr_ but you also say that no, no features are removed? [02:52]
mircea_popescu understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television. [02:52]
mjr_ ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets [02:52]
mjr_ so I notice a difference [02:52]
mircea_popescu narrowing fundamentally means those features never actually existed. [02:52]
mjr_ no, they did [02:52]
mjr_ that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed [02:52]
mjr_ they clearly did [02:52]
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mjr_ and then they didn't [02:52]
mircea_popescu if i let you live in my garage because i'm too lazy to kick you out today, that doesn't mean the garage is your home. [02:52]
mjr_ does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home? [02:53]
mircea_popescu you may understandably wish to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not. [02:53]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes Login seems borked. [02:53]
mjr_ i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck [02:53]
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mircea_popescu same thing with bs "features" that meanwhile got thrown out, same thing with bs features the spyteam has been trying to insert. [02:53]
mjr_ i agree [02:53]
mjr_ not useful [02:53]
mjr_ BUT still available to be used [02:53]
mjr_ for example [02:53]
mjr_ have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is [02:53]
mircea_popescu a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn. [02:53]
mjr_ that is a difference [02:53]
mircea_popescu that won't make the gun aprt of bitcoin. [02:54]
mjr_ ok, fair enough [02:54]
mjr_ tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede [02:54]
mircea_popescu multisig is not a thing. [02:54]
mjr_ tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now [02:54]
mjr_ that will be accepted by the network [02:54]
mjr_ valid per bitcoin rules [02:54]
mircea_popescu luke is trying to pretend like it is. that matters in the sense luke trying to pretend obama is jesus matters. [02:54]
mjr_ ok, let me try broadcasting one [02:54]
mjr_ and when it is rejected you are right [02:54]
mjr_ you can [02:54]
mjr_ it is done NOW [02:55]
mjr_ i'm saying that you can bury your head in the sand, it doesn't mean that reality ceases to exist [02:55]
mircea_popescu ... [02:55]
TheNewDeal mjr_ pix or it dint happen [02:55]
mjr_ there was a point where you could not do a multisig [02:55]
mjr_ now you can [02:55]
mjr_ that is a difference [02:55]
mjr_ i don't give a shit how you try to spin that [02:55]
mircea_popescu mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care. [02:55]
mjr_ it is an obvious difference [02:55]
mircea_popescu that day isn't here yet. [02:55]
mjr_ ok, that is your personal choice [02:56]
mjr_ and your personal choice is not the bitcoin network rules [02:56]
mircea_popescu the fact you can make proper payments out of your braindamaged 3whatever also doesnt matter [02:56]
mjr_ the rules changed [02:56]
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mjr_ i don't care...yuo said the protocol hadn't changed [02:56]
mircea_popescu your "multisig" thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it. [02:56]
mjr_ which you can do [02:56]
mircea_popescu it hasn't dood. [02:56]
mjr_ using the blockchain [02:56]
mjr_ i really don't see how you can say that [02:56]
mircea_popescu suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest. [02:56]
pete_dushenski bats_cd03: oops: re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire << nice find! [02:56]
mjr_ unless you mean something different [02:56]
mircea_popescu has mining now changed ? [02:56]
mircea_popescu because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on the machines ? [02:56]
mjr_ yes [02:56]
mjr_ it has [02:57]
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mircea_popescu eh get out. [02:57]
mjr_ because before [02:57]
mjr_ miners would reject that [02:57]
mjr_ now they accept that [02:57]
mjr_ that would be the textbook definition of a change [02:57]
mjr_ how about a simpler one [02:57]
mircea_popescu no. [02:57]
mjr_ you couldn't do tx of a certain size before [02:57]
TheNewDeal mircea_popescu did on this game win the double your wager prize? [02:57]
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mjr_ now you can [02:57]
mircea_popescu the day I AM FORCED TO ACCEPT IT something changed. [02:57]
mircea_popescu until that day. have fun and i don't care. [02:57]
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mjr_ i never said you had to care [02:57]
mjr_ or even notice [02:57]
mircea_popescu so it never changed. [02:57]
mjr_ i said that you can use the subset of features [02:57]
mjr_ and ignore the rest [02:57]
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mircea_popescu if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change. [02:58]
mjr_ that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, you conflate backwards compatible with identical [02:58]
mircea_popescu if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion [02:58]
mircea_popescu backwards compatible is identical. [02:58]
mjr_ i can run 32 bit programs on my 64 bit machine [02:58]
mjr_ not identical [02:58]
mjr_ or are we arguing the defintion of identical [02:58]
mircea_popescu apparently. [02:58]
mjr_ identical means there is no difference [02:58]
mircea_popescu so what if i hexedit the gui and make it pink [02:58]
mjr_ i can run diff on the code and it comes out "no changes" [02:58]
mircea_popescu has bitcoin protcol now changed because pink gui ? [02:59]
mjr_ yes [02:59]
mjr_ that is a change [02:59]
mjr_ 100% certainly [02:59]
mircea_popescu yeah well that's nutty. [02:59]
mjr_ may be, but it is a change [02:59]
mjr_ to say that the color...changed, but there was no change [02:59]
mircea_popescu aite, go ahead an' change the world. [02:59]
mjr_ is logically impossible [02:59]
mjr_ so, we can agree, you don't care about the changes, they don't affect you, they are irrelevant [02:59]
mjr_ they may cease to exist [03:00]
mircea_popescu what's logically impossible is to imagine the bitcoin protocol is something that extends all the way to your soup. [03:00]
mjr_ they may be misguided or stupid [03:00]
mjr_ but they are changes [03:00]
mjr_ huh? [03:00]
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mjr_ i didn't bring up soup [03:00]
mjr_ i am talking about running diff on code [03:00]
mjr_ easy way to see if things have changed [03:00]
mircea_popescu protocol is not code. [03:00]
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mjr_ ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol [03:00]
mjr_ that protocol changed [03:00]
mjr_ for example, you added commands to mpex [03:01]
mjr_ that changed the protocol of what messages were acceptable to mpex [03:01]
mjr_ this is simple [03:01]
mjr_ and i can do it all day [03:01]
mircea_popescu notrly. it only changed it when old ones stopped working. [03:01]
mjr_ ok [03:01]
mjr_ so you only changed it [03:01]
mjr_ the protocol [03:01]
mjr_ for a good reason [03:01]
mjr_ you changed it [03:01]
mircea_popescu well sure. it's mine to change. [03:01]
mjr_ yes [03:01]
mjr_ and bitcoin is the miners to change [03:01]
mircea_popescu not so fast there :) [03:02]
mjr_ and they have [03:02]
mjr_ many times [03:02]
mircea_popescu notrly. [03:02]
mjr_ for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use [03:02]
mircea_popescu and the new version died. [03:02]
mjr_ how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing [03:02]
mjr_ ok... [03:02]
mjr_ but it did change [03:02]
mjr_ and there was a conflict [03:02]
mircea_popescu mno. change died. [03:02]
mjr_ what died [03:03]
mjr_ the change that happened? [03:03]
mjr_ how can something thta doesn't exist die [03:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, here's the story : i hire you to lay bricks for me. that's your job. [03:03]
mircea_popescu one day you come with a hat [03:03]
mircea_popescu the next day without [03:03]
mircea_popescu the third wioth a hangover [03:03]
mjr_ thats a change [03:03]
mjr_ each day [03:03]
mircea_popescu you figure your job has changed each day ? [03:03]
mjr_ no, my ability to do my job [03:03]
mircea_popescu one day job was "lay bricks with hat", the next" lay bricks without hat" ? [03:03]
mjr_ how you would describe me to someone who you wanted to find me [03:03]
mjr_ yes [03:03]
mjr_ find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat [03:04]
mircea_popescu well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover. [03:04]
mjr_ that description is no longer valid on a different day [03:04]
mircea_popescu all i see is the bricks laid. [03:04]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich [03:04]
mjr_ no... [03:04]
mjr_ i am saying that right now, i can use multisig [03:04]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You're welcom [03:04]
mjr_ the job that is done has new possibilties [03:04]
mjr_ i can lay bricks or i can lay cinder blocks [03:04]
mjr_ but you think i can only lay bricks [03:04]
mjr_ and you only want bricks [03:04]
mjr_ thats good for you [03:04]
mircea_popescu mjr_ you could multisig before you. [03:04]
godovo wow [03:05]
mjr_ i'm not saying that you have to change, i am saying that new features are added [03:05]
mjr_ that is a fact [03:05]
mjr_ you don't have to use them [03:05]
mjr_ you don't have to notice or care [03:05]
mjr_ that doesn't change reality [03:05]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: it's was all BingoBoingo :) [03:05]
mjr_ there are new features that the bitcoin protocol allows [03:05]
mircea_popescu reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is the case. [03:05]
mjr_ no [03:05]
pete_dushenski it* [03:05]
mjr_ reality is the state of the world [03:05]
mjr_ the state of the network [03:06]
mjr_ i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything [03:06]
mircea_popescu cool. so then there we go. [03:06]
mjr_ i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock [03:06]
mjr_ and those transactions, that you say don't exist [03:06]
mjr_ are in blocks [03:06]
mircea_popescu you can put any random data in blocks. [03:06]
mjr_ so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter [03:06]
mircea_popescu including pictures of twelve year olds taking horse cock. [03:06]
mjr_ you could call all of the data random [03:06]
mircea_popescu this was done already. [03:06]
mircea_popescu not all of it, no. [03:06]
mjr_ i could view all of the blockchain as random [03:06]
mjr_ yes i could [03:06]
mjr_ it is statistically possible to get that arrangement of bits by chance [03:07]
mjr_ we choose to ascribe meaning to this configuration [03:07]
mjr_ from this meaning, we can maintain records [03:07]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Fix so I can do "Robin Williams DIY Project" ad buy [03:07]
mjr_ and new records are allowed in, and are accepted as being records [03:07]
mjr_ if that is not the case, then none of bitcoin protocol matters, because it is subjective [03:08]
mjr_ i don't think your tx is anything other than random data [03:08]
mircea_popescu that'd be where you're wrong. [03:08]
mircea_popescu it matters precisely because it is subjective, and accepted. [03:08]
mjr_ yes [03:08]
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mjr_ and those features you don't like are accepted and valid [03:08]
mircea_popescu this is what renders the subjective but unaccepted parts irrelevant. [03:08]
mircea_popescu not by me. [03:08]
mircea_popescu and until the day they're accepted by me, they don't exist. [03:09]
mircea_popescu this is how this works. [03:09]
mjr_ i, perhaps the only one, do not judge bitcoins protocol by what you find valid [03:09]
mjr_ i judge it based on what i need, and what i can do [03:09]
mircea_popescu well apparently you judge it by what you find valid. [03:09]
mjr_ ok... [03:09]
mjr_ lets say [03:09]
mircea_popescu right. good for you. [03:09]
mircea_popescu so your bitcoin has changed, mine hasn't, there we go. [03:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 207 @ 0.01239 = 2.5647 BTC [+] [03:09]
mjr_ that if i send a multisig tx to someone, they will in return send me 1,000,000 bitcoin [03:09]
mjr_ i do it, i get the money [03:09]
mircea_popescu that someone won;'t be me. [03:09]
mjr_ nope, it won't [03:09]
mircea_popescu so go talk to them :) [03:09]
mjr_ do i care? not at all [03:10]
mjr_ the market decides what features are in bitcoin [03:10]
mjr_ same as it always has [03:10]
mircea_popescu again ? [03:10]
mjr_ and if i need to do business with you [03:10]
mjr_ i can work with the limited subset of the protocol you find valid [03:10]
mjr_ there is no reason why people can't send floppy disks to people who have the right converters [03:10]
mircea_popescu "the market" doesn't decide jack shit. if "the market" decides things, we might as well make coinbase the new fed and welcome wall street on their own terms. [03:10]
mjr_ it is still a valid form of recording data [03:10]
mjr_ if the market thinks that is a good idea :) [03:11]
mjr_ i don't have to though [03:11]
mircea_popescu fuck it sideways and good riddance. [03:11]
mjr_ i agree [03:11]
mjr_ again [03:11]
mjr_ i believe you conflate backwards compatible, or option with identical [03:11]
mircea_popescu so, yeah. the market may decide anything it wants for just as long as it stays strictly within what i find paltable. that';s how this thing works. [03:11]
mjr_ i have an option to use multisig [03:11]
mjr_ i don't have to [03:11]
mjr_ yeah, you use the parts of it that you like, and don't use the parts you don't [03:12]
mircea_popescu you have an option to do whatever the fuck it is you want to do at all junctures anyway. [03:12]
mjr_ maybe i overly jump to your hyperbole [03:12]
mjr_ why not just go ahead and say that bitpay doesn't exist? [03:12]
mircea_popescu notably, you could have used multisig at any point starting in 2009, and plenty of people did. [03:12]
mjr_ or altcoins [03:12]
mjr_ yeah, you could have [03:12]
mircea_popescu you can share keys and whatnot with or without bitcoin. [03:12]
mjr_ you also could have sent coins to an ip address [03:12]
mjr_ remember that? [03:12]
mjr_ i cannot now send coins to an ip address [03:13]
mircea_popescu and if one day they include a weather service in some client, that'll be about as much change. [03:13]
mjr_ i agree [03:13]
mjr_ in other words, a change [03:13]
mjr_ which was my point [03:13]
mjr_ but if i only wanted to be able to send to ip addresses [03:13]
mjr_ if that was my core feature set [03:13]
mjr_ i'd be an idiot [03:13]
mircea_popescu that was an actual fork. [03:13]
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mjr_ but also, someone who can't actually use the network for what i want [03:13]
mjr_ how can you fork without changing? [03:13]
mircea_popescu and a welcome one at that. fucking ip addresses nuttery. [03:13]
mjr_ i agree [03:13]
mjr_ so get rid of a stupid features [03:14]
mjr_ sounds like a good CHANGE [03:14]
mircea_popescu satoshi did that you know. [03:14]
mjr_ i know [03:14]
mjr_ i don't suck his dick [03:14]
mircea_popescu well it makes a difference. [03:14]
mjr_ he made tons of mistakes [03:14]
mjr_ and lots of good stuff [03:14]
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mircea_popescu yeah, but he was also the only one with the authority to make changes. [03:14]
mjr_ overall, way more good [03:14]
mjr_ WAS [03:14]
mjr_ and gave that up [03:14]
mircea_popescu exaclty. [03:14]
mjr_ in fact [03:14]
mircea_popescu no further satoshi, no further changes. [03:14]
mjr_ passed that down to gavin [03:14]
mircea_popescu end of story. [03:14]
mircea_popescu nope. [03:14]
mjr_ well...apparently the legions of the faithful didn't know that [03:15]
mircea_popescu tough for them. [03:15]
mjr_ because they have been letting gavin make tons of changes [03:15]
mjr_ which the miners faithfully run [03:15]
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mjr_ and derps use [03:15]
mjr_ doesn't mean you have to [03:15]
mircea_popescu is deepbit still on 0.3.x ? [03:15]
mjr_ doesn't affect you [03:15]
mjr_ no clue [03:15]
mjr_ i agree with you [03:15]
mjr_ that they can add what ever fuckery they want [03:16]
mjr_ as long as they don't affect the things i use [03:16]
mjr_ i could care less [03:16]
mjr_ start greenaddresses or purpleaddresses [03:16]
mjr_ i don't care, as long as i can generate my own address whenever i want [03:16]
mjr_ and do business with who i want [03:16]
mjr_ but... [03:16]
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mjr_ i won't say that things i see don't exiest [03:16]
mjr_ i will say they are stupid [03:16]
mjr_ and there is a better way [03:16]
mjr_ but you can't call something stupid if it doesn't exist... [03:17]
mjr_ and i know how you love to call things stupid... [03:17]
mircea_popescu what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time [03:17]
mjr_ its a stupid idea [03:17]
mjr_ the idea exists [03:17]
mjr_ in fact, physically [03:17]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [03:17]
mjr_ there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space [03:18]
BingoBoingo gavin [03:18]
assbot The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog [03:18]
mjr_ so...ideas are not magic [03:18]
mjr_ any more than thoughts [03:18]
mjr_ they exist [03:18]
assbot Bitcoin 'Conspiracy Theory' Alleges Virtual Currency is NSA or CIA Project [03:18]
mjr_ like anything else that can be interacted with [03:18]
mjr_ lol [03:18]
pete_dushenski << robin williams on canada [03:18]
assbot Robin Williams on Canada. [03:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 60 @ 0.022 = 1.32 BTC [03:18]
mjr_ anyway, i really don't understand your point [03:19]
mjr_ and i feel like i have belabored mine [03:19]
pete_dushenski mjr_: this much, we know [03:19]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Canada [03:19]
assbot Gale Boetticher - Breaking Bad Wiki [03:19]
mjr_ and i didn't want to talk about this anyway [03:19]
mjr_ i really just wanted to look at options prices to figure out if i could arb something [03:19]
mjr_ and doesn't work for me now, so i found the other site [03:19]
mjr_ but i still want to know what derps are [03:19]
mjr_ also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore [03:20]
mjr_ besides mircea_popescu and kakobrekla [03:20]
mircea_popescu mjr_ btw is back too [03:20]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords [03:20]
mjr_ cool [03:20]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: World's nicest meth cook [03:20]
mjr_ btw, you heard about my new job? [03:20]
mjr_ i expected to be made fun of a bit more [03:20]
mircea_popescu nope ? [03:21]
mjr_ work at bitfinex [03:21]
mircea_popescu were you working for bitpay or ? [03:21]
mircea_popescu ahahah [03:21]
mjr_ lol [03:21]
mircea_popescu what do you do there ? [03:21]
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mjr_ vp of biz dev (don't laugh) [03:21]
mjr_ i get to do what i want [03:21]
mircea_popescu how much do you get paid ? [03:21]
mjr_ program, try new things [03:21]
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mjr_ enough [03:21]
kakobrekla bleh [03:21]
mjr_ as long as i get to do what i want [03:21]
mjr_ i don't care [03:21]
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mircea_popescu i c. [03:21]
mjr_ i wanna tell you about my other project though [03:21]
mjr_ not btc related lol [03:22]
pete_dushenski mjr_: does "biz dev" entail trading into your own orders? [03:22]
mjr_ hahaha [03:22]
mjr_ nope [03:22]
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mircea_popescu so how are the numbers, still 25% default rates etc ? [03:22]
mjr_ defaults? [03:23]
mjr_ no one defaults [03:23]
mjr_ at least if you mean on the lending market [03:23]
mircea_popescu o nm, i had it conflated with btcjam [03:23]
mjr_ yeah [03:23]
mjr_ lol [03:23]
mjr_ i wouldn't put my money there [03:23]
mircea_popescu bitfinex still exists ?! [03:23]
mircea_popescu wow. [03:23]
mjr_ hahaha [03:23]
mjr_ thanks [03:23]
mjr_ always great to come back home to bitcoin-assets [03:24]
mjr_ how'd it go in romania? i was pissed i couldn't make it [03:24]
mircea_popescu last i recall it was [03:24]
pete_dushenski "Dry excavation work in the new Suez Canal commenced on Sunday as three thousand trucks and loaders in addition to 7,500 workers began work on site," << suez canal 2.0 ! [03:24]
assbot [scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of | [03:24]
mjr_ don't know about that [03:24]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski omfg you gave me a moment of pause cause i thought your line's assbot's [03:25]
mjr_ no lender has lost money, we have never been hacked [03:25]
mjr_ we put up orders [03:25]
mjr_ people trade on them [03:25]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lel [03:25]
mjr_ as far as exchanges go, i think we are pretty good [03:25]
mjr_ don't know of many other exchanges i like better, its why i went to work for them [03:25]
mjr_ bitstamp? [03:25]
mjr_ no thanks [03:25]
mjr_ can't give back an order id on a trade [03:25]
mjr_ but i guess i am "advanced" in that respect [03:26]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts [03:26]
mjr_ one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free? [03:26]
mjr_ i'm in panama! [03:26]
mjr_ is that a thing? [03:26]
mircea_popescu mjr_ still running the bitcoinica codebase ? [03:26]
mjr_ nope [03:26]
mircea_popescu or finally got rid of that ? [03:27]
mjr_ hahaha [03:27]
mjr_ think that maybe the idea was similar, but don't think the execution was similar [03:27]
pete_dushenski mjr_: it is now. please to send 1 btc for private invitation to join [03:27]
pete_dushenski pm for address [03:27]
mjr_ i'm good [03:27]
mjr_ thanks though [03:27]
mjr_ xmj: what was that about? [03:27]
pete_dushenski your loss [03:27]
mjr_ i read about you [03:27]
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mjr_ but didn't know in what context to read [03:27]
mjr_ cool that you do free_bsd [03:28]
mjr_ i like debian personally [03:28]
mjr_ mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going? [03:28]
mjr_ oh [03:28]
mjr_ yes i did say that [03:28]
mjr_ i mean that i miss the people i used to see [03:28]
mjr_ and that none of them are here anymore [03:29]
mjr_ lol [03:29]
mjr_ not like that [03:29]
mircea_popescu Giancarlo Devasini / J.L. van der Velde / Raphael Nicolle << which are still involved ? [03:29]
mjr_ no clue how to go about doing that [03:29]
mjr_ i think they may have gotten burned out [03:29]
mjr_ don't have their addresses [03:29]
mjr_ nope [03:29]
mjr_ just #bitcoin-assets [03:29]
mjr_ so now, i think i know asciilifeform mircea_popescu kakobrekla [03:30]
mjr_ yeah [03:30]
mjr_ miss those guys [03:30]
mjr_ i don't know [03:30]
mjr_ i'm not lol [03:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-] [03:31]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [03:31]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 574.02, vol: 6015.07627334 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.406, vol: 3914.04531 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.3, vol: 7917.82437211 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 573.868008, vol: 7950.04520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 572.76593, vol: 0.47791402 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.83901, vol: 31.21382741 | Volume-weighted last average: 572.906353566 [03:31]
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mircea_popescu ;;ident mjr_ [03:31]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX [03:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01340001 = 0.67 BTC [+] [03:32]
mjr_ yeah i idented [03:32]
mjr_ to get voice [03:32]
mjr_ another change in the protocol around here [03:32]
mircea_popescu mjr_ << the two people you know are still here. [03:32]
assbot Rating Details for User 'Josh_Rossi' [03:32]
mircea_popescu ;;seen davidlatapie [03:32]
gribble davidlatapie was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: Hi BingoBoingo I'll probably go to bed soon [03:32]
mircea_popescu oops [03:32]
mircea_popescu ;;seen davout [03:32]
gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: i'll add a mention about assymetric crypto [03:32]
mircea_popescu ;;seen ben_vulpes [03:32]
gribble ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 minutes and 17 seconds ago: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich [03:32]
mjr_ yeah davout [03:32]
mjr_ true [03:32]
mircea_popescu ;;seen jurov [03:32]
gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: hi all [03:32]
mjr_ ah yeah, and of course jurov [03:33]
mjr_ ok cool [03:33]
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mjr_ feel a little better [03:33]
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mircea_popescu !up Jason [03:33]
-assbot- You voiced Jason without time-limit. [03:34]
* assbot gives voice to Jason [03:34]
jadne Jason jdanks jespern Jezzz joesmoe jonvaage JoshG julles julmac jurov justusranvier jwSchool [03:34]
mircea_popescu dja know how to self voice Jason ? [03:34]
mjr_ what do you think of this slovenia conference [03:34]
mircea_popescu gotta ask kako/jurov, i'm not from around there [03:34]
mjr_ i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like... [03:34]
mjr_ yeah i know [03:34]
mjr_ but i was hoping they started it [03:34]
mjr_ but figured bitstamp started it [03:34]
mjr_ oh yeah [03:35]
mjr_ by the way [03:35]
pete_dushenski [03:35]
mjr_ mircea_popescu: were you critical of bitlicenses? [03:35]
assbot Patriarchy: 1 Cultural Marxism: 0 [03:35]
mjr_ kind of a silly question i suppose [03:35]
mjr_ but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain [03:35]
mircea_popescu ;;google time to make some bitlicenses of our own [03:36]
gribble Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Daisies pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; TBI's Daily Bit — Bitcoin at a Crossroads - Tackling the BitLicense: [03:36]
pete_dushenski also [03:37]
assbot This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [03:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7317 BTC [-] [03:38]
BingoBoingo %d [03:39]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782205.17 in 304 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56 [03:39]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell nubbins` what denomination of casascius coins did you find buyers for today? [03:40]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:40]
mjr_ well, all i meant was [03:43]
mjr_ if you use the blockchain [03:43]
mircea_popescu ;;rated xmj [03:43]
gribble You rated user xmj on Tue Jun 3 08:54:01 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: meets my definition of marauding idiocy.. [03:43]
mjr_ bitlicense doesn't apply to you [03:43]
mircea_popescu ;;unrate xmj [03:43]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for xmj. [03:43]
cazalla "Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)." [03:43]
mjr_ if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them) [03:43]
mjr_ it does [03:43]
cazalla it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin [03:43]
mircea_popescu now dun be stoopid. [03:43]
mjr_ almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase [03:43]
xmj mircea_popescu: remember what it occurred over? [03:43]
mircea_popescu vaguely. [03:44]
xmj mircea_popescu: i said that non-cashflow-positive startups use EC2. [03:44]
xmj mircea_popescu: don't negrate people for stating truth next time, please [03:44]
mjr_ by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin? [03:44]
mircea_popescu no dude, you got negrated for attempting a powerplay with me. [03:44]
mircea_popescu mjr_ what game is that ? [03:44]
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mjr_ i don't remember, when you were interested in eve [03:44]
mjr_ or something [03:45]
mjr_ a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin [03:45]
mircea_popescu there was a guild, smickles runs it now. [03:45]
xmj huh. [03:46]
xmj ah well [03:46]
xmj mjr_: find something where you can pay through Stripe. [03:46]
xmj mjr_: bam you can pay with Bitcoin. [03:46]
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mircea_popescu !s "rate xjm -1" [03:49]
assbot 0 results for '"rate xjm -1"' : [03:49]
mircea_popescu this search! [03:49]
pete_dushenski !s mircea_popescu xmj rate [03:50]
assbot 4 results for 'mircea_popescu xmj rate' : [03:50]
mircea_popescu xmj there you go. [03:50]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [03:50]
pete_dushenski flip the m and j [03:50]
TheNewDeal mjr_ there's also [03:51]
xmj *shrug* [03:51]
assbot Game 24 - Death 4701 Life 5299 Year 651 - War of Life [03:51]
xmj if you take that as powerplay [03:51]
xmj i have observed countless startups who do things with EC2 and S3 [03:51]
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mircea_popescu the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take. [03:51]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: gpg homedir permissions. fixd. [03:51]
ben_vulpes oh jesus virtualization fights again? [03:52]
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BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Ty [03:52]
mircea_popescu not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment. [03:52]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hardly. [03:52]
ben_vulpes k. i'm clearly behind on my logs. [03:53]
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mjr_ heya ben_vulpes [03:53]
ben_vulpes long time no talk, mjr_. [03:54]
mjr_ yeah [03:54]
mjr_ been a while [03:54]
ben_vulpes what've you been up to? [03:54]
mjr_ working, playing around on some projects [03:54]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he now works for... wait for it... [03:54]
mircea_popescu bitfinex. [03:54]
mjr_ yep [03:54]
mjr_ i do [03:54]
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mjr_ i like it [03:54]
mjr_ only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy [03:54]
mjr_ before that i was working at coinapult, which was also fun [03:55]
mjr_ built locks with some cool people [03:55]
mjr_ not sure what you think of those, guessing not good [03:55]
mjr_ lol [03:55]
mjr_ i expect to be torn to shreds here [03:55]
mjr_ which is not that bad [03:55]
ben_vulpes i really have no opinions about these things [03:55]
ben_vulpes coinapult is coins via email [03:55]
mjr_ was [03:55]
ben_vulpes bitfinex is an exchange of sorts [03:55]
mjr_ still is somewhat [03:55]
mjr_ locks is the newest product [03:55]
ben_vulpes "locks"? [03:55]
kakobrekla what happened at coinapult [03:55]
mjr_ which is basically pegging bitcoin to some asset [03:55]
ben_vulpes pahaha how on earth?! [03:56]
mjr_ nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex [03:56]
mjr_ still hang out with the coinapult crew [03:56]
mjr_ going to eriks wedding in sept [03:56]
mjr_ its an ewallet [03:56]
mjr_ so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price [03:56]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights) [03:56]
ben_vulpes nope nope nope [03:56]
mjr_ we hedge, and you will always get say an oz of gold worth of bitcoin [03:57]
ben_vulpes i ain't letting anyone hedge with my coins [03:57]
mjr_ yeah bitcoinica was a fuckup [03:57]
mjr_ yeah, i get you [03:57]
mircea_popescu then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked [03:57]
mjr_ not for everyone [03:57]
mircea_popescu then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who. [03:57]
mjr_ hold up, you are talking about bitcoinica? [03:57]
ben_vulpes if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do [03:57]
kakobrekla id say bitfinex chumpatron is working just fine [03:57]
mjr_ omg [03:58]
mjr_ that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say [03:58]
mircea_popescu mjr_ but kakobrekla has a good q, what happened at coinapult ? [03:58]
mjr_ nothing [03:58]
mjr_ i worked on locks, since i knew a little about hedging [03:58]
mjr_ but i like doing more than just programming [03:58]
mjr_ and have a few projects [03:58]
mircea_popescu so you're still in panama. basically what, erik bought bitfinex ? [03:58]
mjr_ so i figured i would find something that lets me do more stuff i like, but still program [03:58]
mjr_ nope [03:58]
mjr_ he is busy working on his wedding [03:59]
mjr_ not sure if he could afford it...maybe [03:59]
mjr_ but i'm going to eriks wedding in sept [03:59]
mjr_ but yeah, i mean, you know me, i like to talk [03:59]
mjr_ and programming != talking much [03:59]
mjr_ so, felt a little one dimensional [03:59]
mircea_popescu well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required. [03:59]
mjr_ and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public [04:00]
mjr_ yeah, that is the beauty of that place [04:00]
mircea_popescu mjr_ how long you been there ayway ? [04:00]
mjr_ is that ego doesn't get in the way [04:00]
mjr_ always looking to improve [04:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-] [04:00]
mjr_ bring people who know more, fill in gaps [04:00]
mjr_ since the 15th of july [04:00]
mjr_ wait [04:00]
mjr_ yeah, around 3 weeks [04:00]
mircea_popescu so you've not had a check cut yet ? [04:00]
mjr_ i have [04:00]
mircea_popescu what, you working by the hour ? [04:01]
mjr_ no [04:01]
mjr_ i loved the way they phrased it [04:01]
mjr_ they said we know you have a lot of projects [04:01]
mjr_ we want to pay you to put us at the top of the list [04:01]
mjr_ and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs [04:01]
mjr_ so, it works well [04:01]
mircea_popescu you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you. [04:02]
mjr_ davout knows me...he is in france still right? [04:02]
mircea_popescu Raphael Nicolle << this guy. [04:02]
mircea_popescu not really running it anymore, is he ? [04:02]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st" Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 64(Y):36(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83967592 BTC. Current weight: 4,105. [04:03]
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mircea_popescu a okay, i see. so apparently a guy i actually know took over that outfit. (no, not erik) [04:04]
mircea_popescu which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while. [04:04]
TheNewDeal gonna go grab some din din. Here's some good old US propaganda for yas [04:05]
assbot U.S. Treasury Bond Yield Hits Lowest Since June 2013 - WSJ [04:05]
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mjr_ a bunch of good guys work there [04:08]
pete_dushenski [04:08]
mjr_ and i like the way they are going [04:08]
assbot LTC/BTC - Litecoin / Bitcoin today charts from BTC-e [04:08]
mjr_ anyway [04:08]
mjr_ anyone can fill me in on derps those links didn't work [04:08]
pete_dushenski low at 2014-08-12 00h 0.0099500 BTC [04:08]
pete_dushenski all wrapped up [04:10]
assbot BitBet - LTC to drop under $6.50 before September :: 1.31 B (65%) on Yes, 0.71 B (35%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 43`444 (100`000 to 1) [04:10]
assbot BitBet - LTC to fall against BTC :: 9.02 B (90%) on Yes, 0.98 B (10%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 62`796 (100`000 to 1) [04:10]
assbot BitBet - LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st :: 2.47 B (87%) on Yes, 0.37 B (13%) on No | closing in 4 days 22 hours | weight: 4`103 (100`000 to 1`000) [04:10]
asciilifeform lol, i get up for a little bit, and somebody links the world-famous menstrual painter. [04:10]
ben_vulpes mjr_: weren't you at bitpay for a while? [04:10]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: lol yw [04:11]
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asciilifeform 'she's pretty high of the ground; doesn't OSHA require spotters, or a hardhat...' << from comments [04:11]
pete_dushenski wondering if that last 2btc bet on ltc is gonna squeak in (wasn't mine fwiw) [04:12]
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BingoBoingo !up jdanks [04:14]
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jdanks i have voice! lol [04:14]
jdanks i really needa figure out this whole WoT thing [04:14]
jdanks I've created PGP keys for stuff before not knowing what I was doing. I love all your posts mircea. you are a good man, standing up to bad peoples and finding who's trully trustworthy (: [04:15]
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pete_dushenski jdanks: [04:18]
assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] [04:18]
jdanks thank you! [04:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.27198 = 2.1758 BTC [+] [04:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.27183805 = 14.6793 BTC [-] {4} [04:27]
mjr_ ben_vulpes: nope never at bitpay [04:28]
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mircea_popescu btw mjr_ [04:32]
mircea_popescu $proxies [04:32]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: MPEx-Status: 1722 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [04:32]
mjr_ ah tanks [04:32]
mircea_popescu if ever in doubt that's the path to truth [04:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00073814 = 15.2057 BTC [-] [04:34]
mircea_popescu jdanks hai there. [04:34]
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jdanks hallo mr. popescu keep up tha good fight :) [04:34]
mircea_popescu :) [04:35]
mircea_popescu so who're you ? [04:35]
jdanks somebody gave me voice. i have no pgp keys or nothing. name is john [04:35]
jdanks i'm a mechanical engineer turned internet of things engineer [04:35]
mircea_popescu cool. [04:35]
mircea_popescu you can just reg a key it's no big deal. [04:36]
jdanks i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days [04:36]
jdanks i'm sure i can figure it out but it'll be pushed aside till I have an empty weekend [04:36]
RagnarDanneskjol he's cool - I just turned him on to trilema the other day and his head blew [04:39]
mircea_popescu jdanks plenty of upside, take your time. [04:39]
jdanks *kkaa ppppbbllooooo* [04:39]
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mircea_popescu !up bitcointrader_ [04:40]
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mircea_popescu someone should go for Individual Person Guy as a name. [04:40]
mircea_popescu !up jborkl [04:41]
-assbot- You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes. [04:41]
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jborkl Thank you [04:41]
mircea_popescu yw [04:42]
jborkl I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards [04:42]
jborkl I need categories and reasons [04:42]
jborkl None need to be valid and must be funny in some twisted way [04:42]
RagnarDanneskjol well biggest derpfuktard comes to mind [04:43]
mircea_popescu bitcoin's best tits ? [04:43]
jborkl Hell yeah [04:43]
jborkl Great suggestion [04:43]
mircea_popescu "least original name" [04:43]
jdanks i'll maybe go for that award lol [04:43]
mircea_popescu "most buzzwordy meaningless pr release" [04:43]
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mircea_popescu "biggest first biggest". [04:44]
jborkl Very very good [04:44]
jborkl The PR release will be full [04:44]
mircea_popescu "longest two weeks" [04:45]
jborkl Who has Bitcoin best boobs? [04:45]
jborkl You are on fire [04:45]
jborkl Oh I nominate pr [04:45]
mircea_popescu jborkl either someone in here or maybe one of these pixies [04:46]
assbot I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:46]
assbot Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:46]
jborkl Great , I can go with that. [04:46]
jborkl Most meaningless PR I can throw a dart [04:47]
mircea_popescu "Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle. [04:48]
jborkl Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award [04:48]
jborkl Lol, that wins for sure. [04:49]
RagnarDanneskjol check his pictorial anthology - belongs in the smithsonian: [04:50]
assbot 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search [04:50]
mircea_popescu wow. [04:51]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, [04:51]
assbot Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers [04:51]
jborkl So that is three categories, this is going very fast [04:51]
mircea_popescu left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him [04:51]
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TheNewDeal I'm going to be in the smithsonian!! [04:55]
mircea_popescu as a what ? [04:55]
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mircea_popescu !up dogeywoof [04:55]
-assbot- You voiced dogeywoof for 30 minutes. [04:55]
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TheNewDeal [04:55]
assbot 339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search [04:55]
dogeywoof Thanks [04:55]
mircea_popescu can i have a 5 doge tip now ty. [04:56]
dogeywoof How do I tip you [04:56]
jborkl Category : worst Bitcoin idea [04:56]
mircea_popescu see kakobrekla ? THERE IS DEMAND. [04:56]
kakobrekla :p [04:57]
mircea_popescu jborkl "most satoshi-like individual that's not acually satoshi" [04:57]
TheNewDeal Wasn't EV sued for something other than SD? [04:57]
assbot Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers [04:57]
dogeywoof Where's kitteh? [04:57]
dogeywoof !seen kitteh [04:58]
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TheNewDeal meow [04:58]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable. [04:58]
dogeywoof Hey SuchWow [04:58]
jborkl Hah anyone named satoshi is chased by English press [04:58]
TheNewDeal !up SuchWow [04:58]
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jborkl Well, onto real categories [04:59]
jborkl Best blog I cast my WOT only vote for trilema [04:59]
jborkl Best broker as coinbr [05:00]
bitcointrader_ Anybody doing OTC derivatives on here? Like put options or forward contracts? [05:00]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:00]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust bitcointrader_ [05:00]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcointrader_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [05:00]
mircea_popescu not you tho. [05:00]
SuchWow lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :) [05:01]
SuchWow also, hello [05:01]
SuchWow lol [05:01]
mircea_popescu lol kk. [05:01]
SuchWow one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :) [05:02]
dogeywoof SuchWow: so mean :f [05:02]
mircea_popescu he has a point. [05:03]
TheNewDeal omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc." [05:03]
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SuchWow dogeywoof: not being mean, it's just once you've been temp upped like dozens of times, it pings you twice in an hour, its just kinda annoying is all. Yes I should've just asked nicely for perma voice tho lol [05:03]
jborkl Anyone else with WOT want to vote? [05:04]
jborkl If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning. [05:04]
mircea_popescu jborkl this suggests a ready expansion to Jason's bot. it could hold propositions for voting, like a gpg-poll thing. [05:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.0007372 = 33.7638 BTC [-] {2} [05:04]
jborkl Cool idea, I will start on that [05:05]
mircea_popescu like [05:05]
bitcointrader_ mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives? [05:05]
mircea_popescu !reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1 [05:05]
mircea_popescu bitcointrader_ an escrow service does any deal, what difference does it make to it. [05:06]
jborkl Very good idea, and it will piss a bunch of people off [05:06]
jborkl That is always good [05:07]
bitcointrader_ they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk [05:07]
jborkl Let's see coindesk plagiarize that heh [05:07]
mircea_popescu how do you plan to handle fiat collateral ? [05:07]
bitcointrader_ BTC collateral [05:07]
RagnarDanneskjol you mean to mitigate SOME cp risk [05:08]
mircea_popescu if you take btc both sides it's hardly no cp risk. [05:08]
jborkl Ok make sure to vote ! +12 hours from now voting ends. WOT only 1st anal #bitcoin-assets awards [05:09]
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mircea_popescu !up bitcointrader_ [05:11]
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bitcointrader_ yout payout like a CFD. It's not fully eliminating cp risk but if you deposit 50% with escrow is covers a substantial amount. Just have an auto stop loss in place [05:11]
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mircea_popescu in general, people trade otc as in, otc. major players [05:12]
mircea_popescu !up Tim___ [05:12]
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mircea_popescu they knoe each other, they trust each other, escrow is not the problem. [05:12]
mircea_popescu !up turbo_ac100 [05:13]
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bitcointrader_ how are you settling your option and future contracts today? [05:13]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine? << [05:14]
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gribble The operation succeeded. [05:14]
assbot How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:14]
turbo_ac100 LTC bets and have resolved. [05:14]
assbot BitBet - LTC to fall against BTC :: 9.02 B (90%) on Yes, 0.98 B (10%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 62`775 (100`000 to 1) [05:14]
assbot BitBet - LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st :: 2.47 B (87%) on Yes, 0.37 B (13%) on No | closing in 4 days 21 hours | weight: 4`074 (100`000 to 1`000) [05:14]
assbot BitBet - LTC to drop under $6.50 before September :: 1.48 B (68%) on Yes, 0.71 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 43`329 (100`000 to 1) [05:14]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 cool. [05:14]
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mircea_popescu !up TimSwanson [05:15]
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TheNewDeal i got hosed on that facking ltc bet [05:15]
turbo_ac100 Yeah. I had a WOT rating here from kakobrekla. And I had a super-secure password. Only one is left. [05:15]
TheNewDeal was watching it all day [05:15]
TimSwanson Hello, all of my passwords are 1234abcd [05:16]
mircea_popescu lol [05:16]
TheNewDeal went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something [05:16]
TimSwanson Anton suggested I come chat, I saw mircea's comment on my site [05:16]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal was it that it stays under or what ? [05:16]
TheNewDeal stays above [05:16]
mircea_popescu TimSwanson you the guy with the ofnumbers/book thing ? [05:16]
TheNewDeal got caught with the late bet once again [05:16]
TimSwanson that's me [05:16]
TimSwanson i have to go in a bit, but can chat for a few moments [05:17]
mircea_popescu ok, let me explain to you why your "ad hominem" approach is broken. [05:17]
TheNewDeal lol [05:17]
TimSwanson I have read your post 3 times, you do not cite any data [05:18]
TimSwanson All you do is attack me [05:18]
TimSwanson That is an "ad hominem" [05:18]
mircea_popescu you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure. [05:18]
TimSwanson That is an ad hominem [05:18]
mircea_popescu now, if you want to talk about my think, and i say you're stupid, this can not be waved aside by you claiming it's an ad hominem. [05:18]
TimSwanson That is what the authors of articles in The Economist, do not sign their names [05:18]
mircea_popescu i would know if it were or if it weren't. you, however, wouldn't. [05:18]
TimSwanson because the arguments are supposed to stand for themselves [05:18]
TimSwanson That is besides the point [05:19]
mircea_popescu so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it. [05:19]
TimSwanson Mircea, you need to deal with the content of the chapters [05:19]
mircea_popescu however, this will positively never happen. bitcoin will just ruin academia as you know it and that's that. [05:19]
TimSwanson And not just say "hey, I don't know him" [05:19]
mircea_popescu why ? [05:19]
TimSwanson Because that's how normal debates work [05:19]
TheNewDeal because he desparately needs your attention [05:19]
TimSwanson I know reading is hard in caves in Romania [05:19]
TimSwanson Lack of light, etc. [05:19]
mircea_popescu you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin. [05:19]
TheNewDeal otherwise he falls off into the blogosphere [05:19]
mircea_popescu the problem here isbn't that i don't know you., [05:19]
mircea_popescu the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin. [05:19]
TimSwanson I don't care that you don't know me [05:19]
TimSwanson You don't own Bitcoin [05:20]
mircea_popescu you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not. [05:20]
TimSwanson That's not how debates work [05:20]
mircea_popescu which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you. [05:20]
TimSwanson What is the strawman? [05:20]
TheNewDeal Can I please argue for a moment [05:20]
TimSwanson You attacked me in a post [05:20]
mircea_popescu i didn't attack you. [05:20]
TimSwanson That's an ad hominem [05:20]
TimSwanson Yes you did [05:20]
TheNewDeal I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc." [05:20]
TimSwanson You said I was a "environmental scholar" [05:20]
mircea_popescu i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not. [05:20]
mircea_popescu what exactly do you do for a living ? [05:20]
TimSwanson Haha, okay [05:20]
TimSwanson I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse [05:21]
TimSwanson If you clicked "About the author" you might know [05:21]
mircea_popescu i have, which is how i got to this idea [05:21]
TimSwanson I do a lot work with Bitcoin startups, legal ones [05:21]
mircea_popescu now, i may well have misunderstood you. so, what do you do ? [05:21]
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TimSwanson I have said so in many interviews [05:21]
mircea_popescu none that apparently ever mattered. [05:21]
TimSwanson I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies [05:21]
mircea_popescu so you think. [05:21]
TimSwanson Okay, nice [05:21]
TimSwanson Any other personal insults you'd like to make? [05:22]
mircea_popescu looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ? [05:22]
mircea_popescu as a profession. what's your degree. something. [05:22]
TimSwanson I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up [05:22]
TimSwanson Go to my LinkedIn [05:22]
TimSwanson It's on my site [05:22]
turbo_ac100 g'night guys. New key tommorrow :) [05:22]
mircea_popescu you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ? [05:22]
TimSwanson I have never done anything with the "environment" [05:23]
mircea_popescu Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ? [05:23]
TimSwanson I used to actually build mining machines [05:23]
TimSwanson no [05:23]
TimSwanson That's wikipedia [05:23]
TimSwanson Another guy [05:23]
mircea_popescu so you're not that tim swanson. [05:23]
TimSwanson If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case [05:23]
mircea_popescu okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise. [05:23]
mircea_popescu link it. [05:23]
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TimSwanson Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: [05:24]
RagnarDanneskjol [05:24]
assbot Tim Swanson | LinkedIn [05:24]
RagnarDanneskjol i dont think blogging is a real job, no? [05:24]
mircea_popescu and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin [05:24]
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mircea_popescu these two have exactly zero in common. [05:24]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore. [05:24]
TimSwanson Blogging is not my job [05:24]
TimSwanson Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data [05:25]
mircea_popescu Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management [05:25]
mircea_popescu March 3, 2014 [05:25]
mircea_popescu Authors: Tim Swanson [05:25]
TimSwanson Instead, you're just attacking me [05:25]
RagnarDanneskjol I can make a living camping and foraging, does not make it a real job [05:25]
TimSwanson Do you have any actual complaints with say, Chapter 3? [05:25]
mircea_popescu TimSwanson you ever read ? [05:25]
assbot GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:25]
TimSwanson Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work [05:26]
TimSwanson Chapter 17 [05:26]
TimSwanson in a footnote [05:26]
TheNewDeal teach me your secrets [05:26]
TimSwanson Pay me money [05:26]
mircea_popescu TimSwanson now we're getting somewhere. [05:26]
TimSwanson Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with [05:26]
TimSwanson Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book [05:27]
TimSwanson Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me [05:27]
mircea_popescu if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it. [05:27]
TimSwanson Okay, that's your loss [05:27]
mircea_popescu i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist. [05:27]
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TimSwanson I cite hundreds of sources [05:27]
TimSwanson Other sources [05:27]
TimSwanson Look in the Endnotes [05:27]
mircea_popescu hundreds of sources eh ? [05:27]
TimSwanson Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book [05:28]
mircea_popescu this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity. [05:28]
mircea_popescu dja grok how the wot works ? [05:28]
TimSwanson Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom [05:28]
TimSwanson I am not interested in your WoT games [05:28]
TimSwanson I came here out of curteousy [05:28]
TimSwanson I have answered your questions [05:28]
mircea_popescu right. so if you're not interested in bitcoin, why should i care what you wrote down somewhere ? [05:28]
TimSwanson My WoT in the real world is pretty good [05:28]
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TimSwanson You are the one leaving comments on my blog [05:29]
mircea_popescu this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess. [05:29]
TimSwanson If you weren't interested, why would you leave it? [05:29]
TimSwanson You are not a gatekeeper for bitcoin [05:29]
TimSwanson You do not get to decide who is or is not interested [05:29]
mircea_popescu i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article, [05:29]
TimSwanson That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless [05:29]
TimSwanson It auto-pings [05:29]
TimSwanson Welcome to 2003 [05:29]
mircea_popescu and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem. [05:29]
TimSwanson What is the problem I do not comprehend? [05:29]
mircea_popescu now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried. [05:29]
TimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works [05:30]
TimSwanson What did you try? [05:30]
TimSwanson Insulting me? [05:30]
mircea_popescu well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games". [05:30]
TimSwanson You have provided no data for your position [05:30]
TimSwanson I understand WoT [05:30]
mircea_popescu you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid. [05:30]
TimSwanson I have a big network in the real world outside caves [05:30]
TimSwanson So you invited me, to insult me? [05:30]
mircea_popescu that's nice. [05:30]
mircea_popescu well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you. [05:30]
TimSwanson What is your actual argument? [05:30]
TimSwanson Yes, I am not in your WoT [05:31]
TimSwanson I am not interested in being your WoT [05:31]
TimSwanson I am interested in research, with data [05:31]
mircea_popescu my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically. [05:31]
TimSwanson That was not your argument [05:31]
TimSwanson You called me names [05:31]
TimSwanson And ignored "a" [05:31]
TimSwanson Whoever "a" was [05:31]
mircea_popescu you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ? [05:31]
TimSwanson Brought up good points on mining costs [05:31]
TimSwanson Look, I have to go in about 5 minutes [05:31]
mircea_popescu have fun. [05:32]
TimSwanson Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about? [05:32]
TimSwanson Or did you just want to insult me? [05:32]
mircea_popescu no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here. [05:32]
RagnarDanneskjol please stay, this is highly entertaining [05:32]
mircea_popescu there's also a log. [05:32]
TimSwanson Haha, you're right, I have no idea what Bitcoin is, at all [05:32]
mircea_popescu so you can do it discreetly if ego wound avoidance is such a priority. [05:32]
TimSwanson Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light [05:32]
mircea_popescu indeed, that's the gist of it. [05:32]
TimSwanson Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it" [05:33]
TimSwanson It's a non sequitur [05:33]
mircea_popescu also a¬ stands for.. .a-non [05:33]
TimSwanson Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric [05:33]
mircea_popescu i thought it was pretty clever. [05:33]
mircea_popescu i am not actually saying that. [05:33]
TimSwanson Okay, so "a-non had an interesting couple of points [05:33]
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TimSwanson About the costs of mining [05:33]
mircea_popescu what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it. [05:33]
TimSwanson The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects [05:33]
TimSwanson Bitcoin is open source tech [05:33]
TimSwanson It's not culture [05:33]
mircea_popescu well that'd be where we differ [05:34]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is irreducible to fiat. [05:34]
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TimSwanson Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it? [05:34]
mircea_popescu this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't. [05:34]
TimSwanson This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s [05:34]
TimSwanson They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner [05:35]
mircea_popescu i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway. [05:35]
RagnarDanneskjol [05:35]
TimSwanson Are you a bot? [05:35]
TimSwanson You have not said anything about mining [05:35]
mircea_popescu "cypherpunks" didn't "build pgp" [05:35]
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mod6 lel [05:36]
TimSwanson Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc. [05:36]
mircea_popescu oh they dreamt it up [05:36]
mircea_popescu show me the dream in the code. [05:36]
TimSwanson Anyways, I am gonna take off [05:36]
TimSwanson Was nice chatting with the community here [05:36]
TimSwanson Feel free to email me if you have any other questions [05:36]
TimSwanson Cheers [05:36]
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mod6 m00 [05:37]
mircea_popescu this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt. [05:37]
mircea_popescu and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases. [05:38]
mircea_popescu not like this dude is rich or anything. [05:38]
RagnarDanneskjol that's the bay area for ya [05:38]
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mircea_popescu anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read. [05:38]
mircea_popescu somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!) [05:39]
TheNewDeal you would rather read that trash? [05:40]
TheNewDeal I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing [05:40]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers. [05:40]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ? [05:40]
TheNewDeal oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings [05:41]
mircea_popescu ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point. [05:41]
mircea_popescu is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ? [05:41]
TheNewDeal "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking [05:42]
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dignork TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true [05:42]
mircea_popescu dignork did that go just about the way you expected ? [05:43]
TheNewDeal I have never paid $40 per transaction [05:43]
TheNewDeal I have never paid 1$ per transaction [05:43]
dignork usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block [05:43]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal it's the old "bitcoin is nto visa" thing. [05:43]
mircea_popescu ;;isitdown [05:44]
gribble is up [05:44]
TheNewDeal Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction [05:44]
mircea_popescu not for me... [05:44]
TheNewDeal i got this [05:44]
assbot Google [05:44]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal nah, this thing [05:44]
assbot Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:44]
dignork TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero [05:44]
TheNewDeal I've read that comment before [05:45]
dignork mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not. [05:45]
mircea_popescu dignork how old is the dude anyway ? [05:46]
mircea_popescu locklin never managed to get over being told off. [05:46]
mircea_popescu i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff. [05:46]
mircea_popescu chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D [05:47]
dignork mircea_popescu: not sure, from linkedin pic - 30 or so, i'm bad with age detection [05:47]
mircea_popescu looks 48 to me, but what do i know. [05:48]
mircea_popescu %p [05:49]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s [05:49]
dignork TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho. [05:49]
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mircea_popescu dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ? [05:50]
dignork yep [05:50]
mircea_popescu do you see how idiotic it is to look at that in $ ? [05:50]
mircea_popescu they'll be paid some fractions of bitcent. [05:50]
mircea_popescu that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent. [05:50]
mircea_popescu otherwise they don't sell it. [05:51]
TheNewDeal as transaction fees? [05:51]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:51]
dignork which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall [05:51]
mircea_popescu it can't lol. [05:51]
mircea_popescu that's exactly what it's based on [05:51]
mircea_popescu what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"? [05:51]
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TheNewDeal then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving? [05:52]
TheNewDeal was it "priced in" [05:52]
mircea_popescu something like that. [05:52]
mircea_popescu real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices. [05:52]
dignork TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump [05:53]
mircea_popescu if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump. [05:53]
TheNewDeal but the reward halved! [05:53]
TheNewDeal what do you mean by secular? [05:53]
TheNewDeal ;;ud secular [05:53]
gribble | Dec 24, 2004 ... secular. Intelligent; One who uses common sense and deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that religion is a joke. I think, therefore I ... [05:53]
mircea_popescu average price over 215k blocks. [05:53]
dignork right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 # [05:53]
mircea_popescu dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much. [05:54]
mircea_popescu so per-block went from 50.00x to 25.0x [05:54]
mircea_popescu roughly, halved. [05:54]
mircea_popescu and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish [05:55]
TheNewDeal do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? [05:56]
mircea_popescu aren't they already ? [05:56]
TheNewDeal as in, .00025 or something [05:56]
TheNewDeal currently it's .0001 [05:56]
mircea_popescu well so there you go. [05:56]
TheNewDeal I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go? [05:56]
mircea_popescu it's a market, unlikely it'll ever go over a buck or w/e. [05:56]
mircea_popescu obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride. [05:57]
TheNewDeal it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through [05:57]
TheNewDeal then off peak, back to some lower levels [05:57]
mircea_popescu maybe some timezone effect eventually. [05:58]
mircea_popescu !up jborkl [05:58]
-assbot- You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes. [05:58]
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jborkl Thank you [05:59]
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mircea_popescu !up Ginux [05:59]
-assbot- You voiced Ginux for 30 minutes. [05:59]
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mircea_popescu tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus. [06:00]
jborkl [06:00]
assbot 403 Forbidden [06:00]
jborkl Never mind the 403 it works [06:00]
mircea_popescu everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ? [06:00]
mircea_popescu punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid. [06:01]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot bats_cd03 [06:02]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [06:02]
mircea_popescu ;;rate bats_cd03 New blood. [06:02]
gribble Error: 'New' is not a valid integer. [06:02]
mircea_popescu ;;rate bats_cd03 1 New blood. [06:02]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [06:02]
mircea_popescu bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja. [06:02]
mircea_popescu !up bats_cd03 [06:02]
-assbot- You voiced bats_cd03 for 30 minutes. [06:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00073702 = 32.8711 BTC [-] {3} [06:03]
mircea_popescu punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count. [06:03]
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mircea_popescu punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ? [06:05]
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TheNewDeal is bats different from mats? [06:07]
mircea_popescu i has nfi. [06:08]
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mircea_popescu i ended up in and im chortling to myself lmao. [06:11]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [06:11]
mircea_popescu this shit's gotten pretty good by now [06:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 278 @ 0.00188898 = 0.5251 BTC [+] [06:15]
kakobrekla do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees [06:15]
mircea_popescu bitcoin, retrograde in more than one ways. [06:16]
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TheNewDeal is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D [06:22]
nanotube nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged. [06:22]
assbot #bitcoin-otc [06:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14473 @ 0.00073589 = 10.6505 BTC [-] {2} [06:24]
nanotube ;;help gpg info [06:25]
gribble (gpg info [--key|--address] ) -- Returns the registration details of registered user . If '--key' option is given, interpret as a GPG key ID. [06:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12577 @ 0.00073455 = 9.2384 BTC [-] [06:25]
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TheNewDeal ;;google define: test [06:27]
gribble by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test: ; Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory: ; Speakeasy Speed Test: [06:27]
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copumpkin MPOE tanking! [06:29]
copumpkin (cheap MPOE?) [06:29]
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TheNewDeal get it while its cold [06:36]
cazalla when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports? [06:37]
cazalla it throws me this message when i tried to grab update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund" [06:38]
cazalla actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it [06:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7822 BTC [-] [06:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2759999 = 0.552 BTC [+] [06:42]
mircea_popescu nanotube the gribble part is good enough. [06:44]
mircea_popescu ;;gpginfo 2FB7B452 [06:45]
gribble Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command. [06:45]
mircea_popescu ;;gpg info 2FB7B452 [06:45]
gribble No such user registered. [06:45]
mircea_popescu ;;gpg info 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 [06:45]
gribble No such user registered. [06:45]
mircea_popescu ;;gpg info 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [06:45]
gribble No such user registered. [06:45]
mircea_popescu nanotube what am i doing wrong ? [06:45]
mircea_popescu ;;gpg info --key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [06:46]
gribble User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Aug 11 17:27:18 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu . [06:46]
mircea_popescu a yay! [06:46]
mircea_popescu Jason ^ [06:46]
mircea_popescu nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :) [06:46]
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*dignork* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :yay! I should stop drinking! [06:50]
mircea_popescu bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire. [06:51]
mircea_popescu it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing. [06:52]
penguirker New blog post: [06:56]
nanotube mircea_popescu: np :) [06:58]
mircea_popescu i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good! [06:59]
mircea_popescu i may end like buridan's ass [06:59]
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ben_vulpes floats and longs and dates and times and ints and bigints and omg i had no idea computers were insane [07:23]
ben_vulpes but i guess it makes sense [07:23]
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mircea_popescu ====insane [07:43]
ben_vulpes i always thought numbers came in a select set of logical groups [07:47]
ben_vulpes real [07:47]
ben_vulpes irrational [07:47]
ben_vulpes imaginary [07:47]
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mircea_popescu you're suffering from tim's mental feebleness. [07:59]
mircea_popescu the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups [07:59]
mircea_popescu except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas. [08:00]
mircea_popescu totally different thing. [08:00]
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mircea_popescu << pretty cool article. maybe someone tell the guy to come by ? [08:02]
assbot Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman [08:02]
punkman oh wow TimSwanson and his DATA [08:03]
mircea_popescu punkman six hours in, log is magically 15k lines long. [08:03]
punkman yeah fuck me [08:03]
punkman mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines [08:04]
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mircea_popescu the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches. [08:05]
mircea_popescu gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole! [08:06]
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mircea_popescu there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic : [08:07]
mircea_popescu The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship! [08:07]
mircea_popescu Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship? [08:07]
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ben_vulpes ;;gettrust gavinandresen [08:08]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Mar 28 12:32:28 2011 [08:09]
ben_vulpes ;;rate gavinandresen -1 [08:09]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [08:09]
assbot Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [08:09]
ben_vulpes ;;eauth ben_vulpes [08:09]
gribble Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from [08:09]
ben_vulpes ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5a4d800574af8164a4e5034d6639538d5426c4937ac9c827e2fd40a7 [08:10]
gribble You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA [08:10]
ben_vulpes ;;rate gavinandresen -1 [08:10]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gavinandresen has been recorded. [08:10]
assbot Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [08:10]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what am i missing here ? [08:12]
ben_vulpes "Could you just run with an always-encrypted wallet instead, and if not, why not?" [08:16]
ben_vulpes ex-CUSE me? [08:16]
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ben_vulpes this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed. [08:17]
ben_vulpes but someone making comments like that cannot be trusted with bitcoin code review. [08:18]
ben_vulpes i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint. [08:18]
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mircea_popescu i don't get it. you can already run watch-only addresses. [08:21]
mircea_popescu i can definitely watch yours. [08:21]
mircea_popescu what's at stake ?! [08:21]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: how are you doing watch only addresses? [08:24]
mircea_popescu you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else. [08:24]
mircea_popescu seems to me an incredibly minor point [08:24]
mircea_popescu you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ? [08:25]
pete_dushenski [08:28]
assbot Robin Williams cheerleading for the Denver Broncos, 1980 [08:28]
ben_vulpes the thing was ready. now i need to go load the wallet.dat format into my brain. [08:28]
mircea_popescu or you can just merge yourself and compile. [08:29]
mircea_popescu any way you turn it this is minor kitchenwork. [08:29]
punkman I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book [08:29]
punkman "as detailed in chapter 9, having 100% full reserve  is not a feature, it is a bug that holds and prevents the network from reproducing or creating an actual banking system." [08:29]
mircea_popescu punkman let me know if you get to something noteworthy. [08:29]
ben_vulpes *shrug* [08:30]
ben_vulpes i'd wished to put the time to better use. [08:30]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes o you trying to have a watcher in place ? [08:30]
ben_vulpes yeah. [08:31]
punkman "the security of digitized fiat currencies are arguably just as secure (via cryptography) as cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin; no one steals money off Fedwire or Visa’s system, it is the edges of the network that are the most vulnerable" [08:31]
punkman I think these two sum up his preconceptions [08:31]
mircea_popescu i doubt the ideological needs of pierce's masters can so readily be summed up. [08:33]
mircea_popescu one needs a whole lot of various crap to keep the fiat boat afloat. [08:34]
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pete_dushenski [08:43]
assbot Malware Alert: Is 'BadBIOS' Rootkit Jumping Air Gaps? [08:43]
pete_dushenski "The weirdest part is how it uses ultrasonic sound to jump air gaps," - Schneier [08:44]
pete_dushenski "the odd behavior affected not just Macs but also Windows and Linux systems, and only ceased when the microphone, external speaker, and speaker attached to the motherboard were removed." [08:44]
punkman wasn't that one debunked [08:45]
pete_dushenski quite possibly [08:45]
pete_dushenski first i've heard of it [08:46]
punkman !s badbios [08:46]
assbot 24 results for 'badbios' : [08:46]
pete_dushenski article is over a year ols [08:46]
pete_dushenski old* [08:46]
pete_dushenski [08:47]
assbot #BadBios, aka #BadlyDoneDamageControl pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [08:47]
pete_dushenski also, that's quite the new header on trilema [08:47]
pete_dushenski it's the headiest header i ever did see [08:47]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski they keep rewarming this stale voodoo. [08:54]
pete_dushenski disinfo can be just as sticky, if not stickier, than info [08:55]
mircea_popescu guy that made the first pwn2own thing went nuts making insane claims. exactly what impotent bureaucracies trying to pass for dangerous spooks would like to hear. [08:55]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski got teeth ? :D [08:55]
pete_dushenski and only one cavity! [08:56]
pete_dushenski that is, filling [08:56]
RagnarDanneskjol +1 - new header is epic [08:57]
mircea_popescu it;'s really quite old. about amonth or so apart from the world famous horseback one. [08:58]
RagnarDanneskjol horseback still my fav - was that photoshopped or really @ pyramids? [08:58]
RagnarDanneskjol such good framing [08:58]
RagnarDanneskjol looks fake [08:58]
mircea_popescu yes it was at teh pyramids. [09:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2672177 = 0.5344 BTC [-] [09:00]
RagnarDanneskjol nice [09:00]
pete_dushenski << she don't quit [09:00]
assbot If /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash is antifragile, as is often claimed, why are many of its holders so virulently adverse to competition? [09:00]
pete_dushenski i should dig up my old photos from giza [09:01]
pete_dushenski the best one has my brother and i playing golf in the shadow of the pyramids [09:03]
pete_dushenski mina house golf course iirc [09:03]
mircea_popescu you can tell her we're just virulently adverse to unselfaware idiocy [09:04]
punkman well I've been looking for all that data in the book but I only found copy-pasted charts of dubious provenance and footnote links of dubious provenance. Not even a single link to organofcorti. [09:04]
pete_dushenski like this lovely lady [09:04]
pete_dushenski ^who is nothing like leah and everything like a civilized woman enjoying cairo in style [09:05]
mircea_popescu punkman so this is yet another case of "mp makes definite statements on no basis ; later they turn out to be true." ? [09:05]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: just like "the govs are mining!" [09:05]
mircea_popescu it sucks being such a religious leader all the god damned time. [09:05]
mod6 haha [09:06]
punkman aha [09:06]
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mircea_popescu (this is what i'm going to call people that are right from now on. if leah derpman can make nonsensical statement then chase it with "saying it doesn't make it so" @ som eunfortunate soul that tried to point out she's talking out her butt, why can't i!) [09:06]
punkman you know what's really annoying? clicking on a footnote, jumping to end of book, then not being able to go back to the footnote reference [09:12]
punkman so hey guys, if you write a book, footnotes go at the end of each page [09:13]
mircea_popescu nah you just need to insert a return symbol. [09:17]
mircea_popescu most nonretarded noting systems do this by default. [09:17]
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mod6 %d [09:20]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1761109.84 in 175 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.07 [09:20]
mircea_popescu 1.7mn ? srsly ?! [09:21]
mircea_popescu %p [09:21]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 7440.49 GH/s [09:21]
mircea_popescu 7.5th ? [09:21]
mod6 yeah [09:21]
mod6 that thing always has reported in gh/s on its website so I just use that. [09:21]
mod6 the atc gotw is about to come to a screeching halt. lol [09:22]
mircea_popescu this is a high hash mark isnt it [09:22]
mod6 it might be, ya [09:22]
mircea_popescu Humans are highly adaptive creatures and incredibly ingenious when it comes to modifying our behavior in the face of externally or internally applied pressure and circumstance. ‘Normal’ is a relative term, not some static measurement, and both the body and mind quickly becomes accustomed to the ‘new’ normal when choices appear to be limited and the herd moves to a new grazing field. But this doesn’t mean the [09:22]
mircea_popescu results of social pressures and generational conditioning are dictated by human nature or that human nature guides human behavior under these extraordinarily distorted circumstances. [09:22]
mircea_popescu fucking hell these idiots. [09:22]
mircea_popescu why doesn't it mean ? cuz author says so ? [09:23]
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assbot VIX vs. Gold: The ultimate battle between fear & greed | Resource Investor [09:32]
mircea_popescu that's no correlation. [09:36]
RagnarDanneskjol d was this " [09:38]
RagnarDanneskjol only interesting bit i found was this: [09:38]
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RagnarDanneskjol Something within the composition of the relationship between gold and VIX has changed in this timeframe. For the past two years, it has been a largely negative correlated relationship amassing around -0.4 to -0.3. However, come summer of 2013, there has been a dramatic reversal of this trend, pushing it into unprecedented territories of a positive correlation upwards of +0.5. The large swings following summer of 2013 [09:38]
RagnarDanneskjol before leveling off in April could be noise, or the effects of this relationship changing. [09:38]
RagnarDanneskjol i thought the same thing, chart doesnt support anything [09:39]
mircea_popescu only a mind that never played with statistics can think there's something in there. [09:40]
mircea_popescu make two random series, fit them, you'll get something more or less like that [09:41]
mircea_popescu wild swings up and down [09:41]
RagnarDanneskjol says guy is an ""analyst""" here: [09:41]
assbot Welcome to DigitalTangible [09:41]
RagnarDanneskjol rolls eyes [09:41]
mircea_popescu maybe he's an analyst as opposed to a cunning linguist. [09:42]
RagnarDanneskjol heh [09:42]
RagnarDanneskjol [09:42]
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kyuupichan Altcoin space undergoing something of a collapse [10:40]
xmj RagnarDanneskjol: like your name, heh [10:41]
pankkake oooh ltc finaly under 0.01. nice [10:41]
kyuupichan pankkake: Likely for good this time [10:42]
RagnarDanneskjol thanks - I am a privateer, not a pirate [10:43]
RagnarDanneskjol i fought a hard battle to get it corrected in wikipedia but gave up. [10:45]
assbot List of Atlas Shrugged characters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [10:45]
pankkake what do you mean corrected? [10:45]
RagnarDanneskjol more accurate desc is here> [10:45]
assbot Ragnar Danneskjld - Conservapedia [10:45]
RagnarDanneskjol I mean edited it then they change it back [10:46]
pankkake but what correction? also lol conservapedia [10:46]
RagnarDanneskjol in wiki It calls him a pirate [10:46]
pankkake oh [10:47]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: Likely for good this time << prolly. [10:48]
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mircea_popescu antonosika if you want 2016 delivery we can just do that. [10:49]
mircea_popescu lol someone got pete all riled up. [10:53]
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kyuupichan BRK.A about 348 BTC. Has to go under 314 BTC by March or I'm fscked. [10:56]
antonosika Well that's higher risk too. The issue would be being paid 1 Satoshi if delayed. Why not just change it to a second contract with delivery 2016 if delay? [10:56]
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mircea_popescu because you don't get a string of options. [10:57]
mircea_popescu pick a date you can live with and that's that. [10:57]
mircea_popescu kyuupichan what if it goes to 300 or w/e [10:58]
mircea_popescu [10:58]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December :: 1.03 B (25%) on Yes, 3.1 B (75%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 98`791 (100`000 to 1) [10:58]
kyuupichan Don't care so much there :) [10:59]
mircea_popescu but if btc drops... [10:59]
kyuupichan If BTC drops it might tempt more into the BRK.A bet, which could be good. [10:59]
antonosika mircea_popescu I could do that but I don't see the reason. A contract where one party has a chance to recieve nothing is a large and unnecessary risk [11:08]
antonosika Would it be possible to have 2016 delivery but delivery march 2015 provided a few requirements? [11:09]
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mircea_popescu antonosika the idea here is that the constant admin costs aren't worth it to me. [11:25]
mircea_popescu im not looking for an opportunity to play the businessman. i'm sick and tired of the actual work of it. [11:26]
mircea_popescu so you'll have to somehow come to terms with a one-off sort of contract. i'm not chaining conditionals. [11:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 566.31, Best ask: 568.82, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 568.83, 24 hour volume: 8025.64486705, 24 hour low: 565.44, 24 hour high: 589.28, 24 hour vwap: 0 [11:29]
kuzetsa ;;calc [avgprc usd 24h] - [avgprc usd 7d] [11:31]
gribble 3.5 [11:31]
mircea_popescu not so much volatility huh. [11:32]
* kuzetsa nods [11:32]
kyuupichan mircea_popescu: Anyone take you up on your Ether offer? [11:32]
mircea_popescu kyuupichan just a lot of talk around it so far. [11:32]
kuzetsa short term fluctuations on a few exchanges, but the weekly changes have been less than $20usd for a while now from what I've noticed [11:32]
kyuupichan Lame [11:33]
kuzetsa I can't recall ever having seen bitcoin exchange rates this stable for so long before [11:33]
mircea_popescu kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently [11:33]
kuzetsa wash trading? [11:33]
mircea_popescu so nothing to be particularly surprised about. [11:33]
kuzetsa O_O [11:33]
mircea_popescu ;;google wash trading [11:33]
gribble Wash Trading Definition | Investopedia: ; Wash trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Wash sale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [11:33]
kuzetsa haha no, I know [11:34]
kuzetsa I just wasn't aware that was going on [11:34]
RagnarDanneskjol lemme know if you want a search run for someone to pick up the slack on those constant admin time costs - just let me know what measurwments you need, blonde or brunette [11:36]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol it's not really something one can outsource. liquidity events are notoriously contentious, high level sort of work. [11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol I get it, you can keep her chained in the basement tho [11:37]
mircea_popescu lol [11:37]
mircea_popescu poor girl. [11:37]
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fluffypony goodbye Litecoin [11:40]
fluffypony we hardly knew ye [11:40]
kuzetsa oh, really? [11:40]
kuzetsa no more litecoin? yay!!! [11:40]
cazalla but it's silver fluffypony [11:40]
mircea_popescu it's not dead just because it lost the 100:1 thing [11:40]
mircea_popescu it'll be around for years as people unwind. [11:40]
fluffypony it crashed 18% [11:40]
fluffypony after the recent decline [11:40]
mircea_popescu long way to 99.9855 [11:40]
fluffypony yeah spose [11:40]
mircea_popescu actually, this suggests a bet to me. [11:41]
cazalla pretty accurate animated gif for dogecoin [11:41]
assbot Human verification - 4plebs archive [11:41]
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kuzetsa cazalla: wow, that's kinda sick O_O [11:43]
kuzetsa I didn't expect it to be a giffed doge snuff film thinger like that, whoa :( [11:44]
cazalla kuzetsa, it's just a doge [11:44]
kuzetsa I don't even like dogs, it still upset me though :( [11:46]
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mircea_popescu why is the dog's tail shaking [11:47]
cazalla well, it's was dead long before the gif was made so what's it matter [11:47]
cazalla mircea_popescu, because he's happy [11:47]
mircea_popescu is this like fake dog snuff ? [11:48]
cazalla nfi, prob how koreans kill them or something [11:48]
mircea_popescu poor dog. [11:49]
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[]bot Bet created: "LTC dead before Doge" [11:55]
mircea_popescu a there we go. [11:55]
xanthyos why is the tail's dog wagging? [11:56]
mircea_popescu because it didn't read teh logs. [11:56]
cazalla loge [11:56]
mircea_popescu such no [11:56]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hm ? [20:05]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Was trying to present those footnotes from the failbook [20:07]
mircea_popescu so... 819 ? i dun get it. [20:07]
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BingoBoingo Well, I'll open the failbook again and try to get the actual text [20:09]
mircea_popescu SemFieteewBut Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:24 d.m. "For this specific day of the week-spun2" [20:09]
BingoBoingo A bunch of weird characters that should have been spaces were treated as line spaces [20:09]
mircea_popescu keywords2 Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:22 d.m. "Wonderful topic!…" [20:09]
BingoBoingo *line breaks [20:09]
mircea_popescu these noobs need to learn how to spam ffs. [20:09]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: the footnote 891 Interacting with fiat institution, a guide by Mircea Popescu, SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities, SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering from MarketWatch and SEC Alleges Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme from LexisNexis [20:12]
mircea_popescu ... [20:12]
mircea_popescu that can;'t be it. [20:12]
mircea_popescu i asked him if he read the 2012 canonical text on contracts. [20:13]
pankkake Apocalyptic: since X-BT is on coinmarketcap already for atc, you should have them add your ltc and nmc markets. I'd rather buy nmc from you when I need them, but there's almost no one trading [20:13]
BingoBoingo That's the trilema thing he linked in Chapter 17 of his Bitcoin book. I can dig through his other stuff, but... navigating his giant pdf's is a pain [20:14]
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Apocalyptic pankkake, oh it is ? great. Then I would somehow expect them to add all the listed coins [20:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so basically the guy has no fucking idea of anything. [20:15]
BingoBoingo Part of the current narrative popular on social media such as Reddit and Twitter is that Bitcoin’s [20:16]
BingoBoingo cryptographic code, being nigh-unbreakable by law enforcement and other judicial authority, [20:16]
BingoBoingo will itself act as a form of “law” transcending all jurisdictions. Two notable examples being that [20:16]
BingoBoingo of Mircea Popescu of MPex who asserted Bitcoin's sovereignty in response to an SEC [20:16]
BingoBoingo investigation as well as Trendon Shavers (‘pirate40’) who was charged by the SEC for running a [20:16]
BingoBoingo $4.5 million Ponzi scheme through a firm called Bitcoin Savings & Trust.891 In fact, due to the [20:16]
BingoBoingo numerous scams and thefts that continue to occur with these types of investments, in May the [20:16]
BingoBoingo SEC issued an investor alert related to bitcoin and other virtual currencies. 892 [20:16]
BingoBoingo ^ paragraph footnote comes from [20:16]
mircea_popescu mkay. [20:16]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Some people should not self publish, because they can't understand "bookness" especially when it comes to presenting "bookness" electronically [20:17]
nubbins` Bitcoin ist totale kunst! [20:17]
pankkake I suspect his publishing method is just a way to avoid rebuttals [20:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes, but those same people are too stupid to realise how stupid they are, and if someone tells them this they misrepresent it as an "ad hominem" and misconstrue it as some sort of failure of "the world" [20:18]
mircea_popescu ideally, one that needs their inept brand of "fixing" [20:18]
pankkake just don't give attention to attention whores [20:18]
mircea_popescu pankkake give the right sort of attentio. [20:18]
BingoBoingo The dude start's his page numbering from the fucking prematter right after the cover, which no. [20:18]
mircea_popescu this idiocy came to be highly regarded by parents that aren';t people, that you shouldn't give attention to kids asking for it the wrong way (usually throwing a fit). this is nonsense. [20:19]
pankkake yes, that one: [20:19]
mircea_popescu kidsshould get NEGATIVE attention whenever they ask for it. such as a good beating. [20:19]
mircea_popescu that way you don't have the problem of snotty 5yo disrupting other people's restaurant meal. because in his reptillian 5yo brain, the risk that the whole stampede of adults beats the shit out of him if he starts screaming is quite vivid. [20:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, the presumptiousness of calling a pdf "my book" is striking. [20:20]
nubbins` ^ [20:20]
nubbins` a thousand times ^ [20:20]
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pankkake first time I've seen the word "disrupt" used in this context in months :p [20:20]
mircea_popescu especially in the face of having called a random string generator in an article you're ostensibly rebutting. [20:21]
mircea_popescu pankkake :) [20:21]
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assbot Transcripts offer window into SEC probes of financial crisis and some awkward testimony /WSJ [20:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: PGP appears once, in a footnote in his second PDF, GPG appears not at all [20:26]
BingoBoingo And neither does your name [20:26]
BingoBoingo For example, since at least 1991 there has been a variety of methods for building reputation systems – [20:28]
BingoBoingo webs of trust – that incentivizes users to pay back creditors. 334 With a blockchain you can now have a [20:28]
BingoBoingo safe place to put an instrument or contract and people can digitally sign it. Since it is publicly audited, [20:28]
BingoBoingo other users can see its history and if it is reliable thus building credit scores. In turn, business [20:28]
BingoBoingo transactions based on clearly defined terms and services can be conducted on an exchange through a [20:28]
BingoBoingo form of identity management. This will completely transform how the flow of capital and investment [20:28]
BingoBoingo work and will be a godsend to the 3rd world. For instance, a person with a reliable DAO (or smart [20:28]
BingoBoingo contract) could create a monetary instrument (a cryptocoin) and lend it to anyone on the globe in the [20:28]
BingoBoingo form of a loan with specific terms and conditions. This is done in an external, tamperproof system, a [20:28]
BingoBoingo cryptoledger that is not controlled by an institution capable of abuse. As a consequence, for developing [20:28]
BingoBoingo countries, just as they leapfrogged copper wiring choosing to use wireless telephony, some may forgo [20:28]
BingoBoingo building replicas of existing financial infrastructure and instead choose to use this virtual-based system [20:28]
BingoBoingo through their mobile devices.” [20:28]
BingoBoingo ^ the "context" [20:28]
mircea_popescu yeah. i don't credit the theory he's unaffiliated. basically there's this pile of idiots who perceive as the greatest impediment towards their brand of nonsense being accepted universally [20:28]
kakobrekla maybe someone will understand [20:28]
BingoBoingo The footnote 334 PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) was released in 1991 by Phil Zimmermann, see: Cypher Wars from Wired [20:28]
xmj jesus [20:28]
mircea_popescu the fact that i was here first, and i knew they'll show up, and i took speciffic and apparently effectual measures. [20:29]
mircea_popescu c'est la vie. [20:29]
xmj BingoBoingo: can your next paste have longer linewidths please? [20:29]
BingoBoingo xmj: The would involve touching this filth moar, so I'm jsut not going to past more of it [20:29]
xmj ok [20:29]
punkman "So with Demo Day approaching, I'd like to make the following point explicit: Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. Don't even think about doing it. I will find out. Y Combinator will not continue to work with you." [20:30]
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mircea_popescu lmao [20:30]
mircea_popescu so ycombinator is finally reduced to a dating service ? [20:30]
mircea_popescu come mix your y with our founder's x-x's ? [20:30]
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BingoBoingo So this thing we are trying to convince people is a "business" is so not a business that we can just turn them off if people touch genitals [20:31]
mircea_popescu pity we're not speaking romanian, ass is fund, i could have had some fun with it. [20:31]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo :) [20:31]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in the bitcoin hell, meni rosenfeld is squirming. [20:32]
assbot MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:32]
BingoBoingo It's not a place that deals with business's it's fucking summer camp trying to turn a profit on macaroni crafts [20:32]
mircea_popescu provided nobody touches anyone's ass. [20:33]
punkman so what if founders wanna suck some toe, why does YC have a say? [20:33]
mircea_popescu punkman they're prolly about to turn the "women in biz" faucet way up [20:33]
mircea_popescu as someone observed, as things turn to shit women move in. [20:33]
punkman they are already doing that yeah [20:34]
mircea_popescu now who the hell said that bit about things turning to shit and female representation. [20:34]
mircea_popescu i bet it was tlp. [20:34]
BingoBoingo [20:36]
assbot Summing up police militarization with a photo from Missouri. The camo is required because? [20:36]
mircea_popescu lmao. [20:38]
mircea_popescu "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed" [20:39]
BingoBoingo I guess I'm staying out of StL proper for a while [20:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed" << THought it was the Chicoms invading [20:39]
mircea_popescu close enough. [20:39]
mircea_popescu so in the end, ima count pete_dushenski 's summary as accurate : "Serious scholarship of a work is merited if and only if that work is itself a piece of serious scholarship." [20:42]
danielpbarron 10:19 <+kakobrekla> especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown. << one time, at a LAN party, I remapped someone's "W" key to suicide :D [20:42]
mircea_popescu Another Goldman banker told SEC officials he didn't know what he meant by an email he sent in 2006 that said underwriters and issuers would "put $ in our pockets" because "we are us." [20:43]
nubbins` WE ARE USS [20:45]
nubbins` GREAT STUFFS [20:45]
mircea_popescu totally lol. [20:45]
nubbins` IT IS OUR HAPPY [20:45]
mircea_popescu imagine these coke addled, add dyslexic monkeys shooting emails to each other at 3am off a stripper's asscrack [20:45]
mircea_popescu imagine sitting there with a windowfull and just wondering if it's fucking markov chain day. [20:46]
mircea_popescu then people want to know why the econo0my went to shit. [20:46]
mircea_popescu a) what economy ; b) wut ? [20:46]
mircea_popescu "dude, where's my economy!" "what color was it ?" [20:46]
mircea_popescu "i dunno, the color economies usually are" [20:47]
mircea_popescu "well... in the place economies usually go." [20:47]
nubbins` [20:47]
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nubbins` ^ lel [20:48]
mircea_popescu lol hey nubbins` how come everyone knows she's got major beef curtains urmom ? [20:48]
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nubbins` i can only imagine it's assumed based on my brash demeanor [20:49]
mircea_popescu lol [20:49]
mircea_popescu that ain't scandalous, that be brash demeanor, bish! [20:49]
nubbins` i've got a feeling these "what is btc" posters are gonna be a big hit [20:50]
mircea_popescu tit gig. [20:50]
mircea_popescu cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1 << lemme count for you here. [20:50]
nubbins` putting finishing touches on words today, design to commence soon [20:51]
mircea_popescu wait isn't it the design you're doing ? is this pre-design ? [20:51]
nubbins` i suppose it's all "design" [20:52]
nubbins` but i gotta know what i'm trying to say before i start illustrating it :D [20:52]
nubbins` put another way: putting finishing touches on content, graphics to commence soon [20:52]
nubbins` oh and hey, what was the hidden bounty? 0.1 or some such? [20:53]
nubbins` wait, sorry, that was thestringpuller's project [20:55]
nubbins` so many projects on the plate :S [20:55]
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mircea_popescu cazalla 6781 total articles, 2567 in english. 1610 of these however are the result of me dumping the wikileaks trove back before wikileaks itself decided to publish documents (i only did stuff referring to bucharest, but it did force them to get their act together and a day later they released the cables). these don't appear in the random rotation (i imagine that's what you're doing) and so the numbers would be [20:59]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (2567-1610)/(6781-1610)*100 [21:00]
gribble 18.507058596 [21:00]
mircea_popescu 18% english, ~1 in 5. [21:00]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: why not? [21:02]
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HeySteve my project thread hasn't been mirrored on yet [21:04]
mircea_popescu what project is that ? [21:04]
HeySteve [21:04]
assbot COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook with Gambling [21:04]
nubbins` bbl running to bank [21:05]
mircea_popescu haha sounds lulzy [21:07]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: if you can't write the copy that makes people click your link, why would an image change that? [21:07]
mircea_popescu Example, Coinan encounters a hostile, socialist vampire. These choices are presented: [21:07]
mircea_popescu HeySteve the tech involved seems very naive. stuff like "Red text installments will always include a password-protected file containing a description of the optimal choice. The password will be revealed in the next installment, ensuring a pre-determined answer unaffected by the value of bets placed or other factors. You’ll have to trust me not to play my own game or leak the right choice to my cronies before voting e [21:09]
mircea_popescu nds. Either that or suggest a way to make things trustless.." [21:09]
mircea_popescu who's coding it ? [21:09]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: you don't watch enough Mad Men. [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27158 @ 0.00073788 = 20.0393 BTC [-] [21:09]
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thestringpuller What fonts are supported? [21:09]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I think the point is he wants to expose people to his logo [21:09]
HeySteve mircea_popescu it'll be all text [21:10]
mircea_popescu that much i gather. [21:10]
HeySteve although maybe later I'll have single player versions on a website, so will need a little coding there [21:10]
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mircea_popescu no, you need coding to do things like distribute secrets less awkwardly than through "password protected files" [21:10]
mircea_popescu which i expect you see as hand crafted word documents by you personally. [21:11]
mircea_popescu !up princessnell [21:11]
-assbot- You voiced princessnell for 30 minutes. [21:11]
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mircea_popescu how's scholarship princess ? [21:11]
HeySteve hmm well text files in RAR archives [21:11]
mircea_popescu this sort of clunk will sink what otherwise is a clever promising thing. [21:11]
HeySteve ok well I'm open to suggestions for handling that stuff more smoothly [21:12]
mircea_popescu that's common knowledge : salt and hash. [21:12]
mircea_popescu say your options are "fuck her" or "spit in her mouth" [21:12]
mircea_popescu you publish : the correct answer is ba320a34890a5cdc4f0ba0e53017d490811aad50259c1bc4214df05544f9dd2d9a6992e617d2273f79a73e6ae972a8a0c171608ae71eb5d5bd148f81f38d2e0d [21:13]
mircea_popescu then later on you say : sha512, salt "-derpysaltlalal-" [21:13]
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mircea_popescu at this point anyone can verify the right answer was in fact "spit in her mouth" [21:13]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: for now, just the one displaying. [21:14]
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HeySteve ah ha cool! that's better, thanks [21:14]
mircea_popescu HeySteve my point being that this is just one example. you need a coder to know the things that are obvious and well known that you don't know. [21:14]
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HeySteve I can ask my developer but he's still pretty busy with "WoTcoin" alpha [21:15]
mircea_popescu ;;rated dignork [21:16]
gribble You rated user dignork on Mon May 12 10:27:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: he cracked my hashes!. [21:16]
mircea_popescu ;;rate dignork 2 He's a character. [21:16]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dignork has changed from 1 to 2. [21:16]
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BingoBoingo More from the StL warzone [21:17]
assbot Ferguson tear gas video: Angry, but apparently unarmed, residents face attack. [21:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's the story with stl anyway ? [21:17]
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BingoBoingo police firing tear gas at angry residents despite the fact that they're standing behind a fence on private property and are apparently unarmed: [21:17]
mircea_popescu after being abandoned by the feds during katrina they sorta created an independent state, [21:18]
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mircea_popescu which is now being invaded ? [21:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Kid got shot. Was unarmed, going to college this week if he wouldn't have been shot. [21:18]
BingoBoingo Prefect storm of buzzwords to anger North Side [21:18]
mircea_popescu "got shot" as in murdered by police ? [21:18]
BingoBoingo Yeah [21:19]
BingoBoingo Story is hands up surrendering with his back to the cop [21:19]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: look either you make the sell with the situation as is or you don't man [21:20]
ben_vulpes we're taking the world back to evaluation on its merits, not on its appearances. [21:20]
mircea_popescu omg stop hussling the poor guy] [21:20]
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mircea_popescu can;t even have a logo no moar. [21:20]
BingoBoingo What happens when jurov and Namworld's Coinroll thing wants to keep using the graphics they've already sunk costs into? [21:21]
ben_vulpes !s sunk cost fallacy [21:22]
assbot 3 results for 'sunk cost fallacy' : [21:22]
ben_vulpes the mermaid? [21:22]
ben_vulpes the whole point of the mermaid is fuck a logo [21:22]
mircea_popescu well no [21:22]
mircea_popescu you can' [21:22]
mircea_popescu t fuck mermaids. [21:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.28499333 = 4.2749 BTC [+] {2} [21:22]
mircea_popescu you're thinking the inverse mermaid ? [21:22]
ben_vulpes ew [21:22]
BingoBoingo Wait Mermaids don't have cloaca [21:22]
mircea_popescu [21:22]
mircea_popescu mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? [21:23]
BingoBoingo Oh, an explainer [21:23]
assbot Outrage in Ferguson after police shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown - Vox [21:23]
mircea_popescu giving people like HeySteve all the tools they need to just make their game. [21:24]
ben_vulpes [21:24]
assbot 2048: Super DickButt Edition [21:24]
HeySteve desert island scenario: do you choose mermaid or inverse mermaid as your only companion? [21:26]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog? << it just said "how about you come to b-a" with a webirc link [21:26]
princessnell hey mircea_popescu. scholarship has given way to subversion at the moment, which is an improvement. how's bitcoin baronship? [21:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Earlier today it was... missing [21:26]
ben_vulpes princessnell: subversion? do tell! [21:27]
mircea_popescu bitcoin baronship has given way too many bonuses at the moment which is pleasant :D [21:27]
mircea_popescu yeah ben_vulpes has a point. i think the entire appeal of the tomb raider chick was her being subversive. [21:27]
jurov lolwhat? coinroll doesn't have a mermaid [21:28]
jurov BingoBoingo what do you mean? [21:28]
princessnell well the short version is that my merry band of radicals is warring with marxist elements that have infiltrated the american libertarian movement. [21:29]
HeySteve if it comes to seriously coding up gamebooks, this project is a good example. it works for the lone wolf books: [21:29]
assbot Project Aon: Main / Books (browse) [21:29]
mircea_popescu "submitted 4 days ago by ignoreatownrisk" lol that's lulzy, [21:29]
BingoBoingo jurov: There's that coinroll ad that shows up on BitBet and othe places. Atm ben_vulpes's network would be incapable of supporting it [21:29]
princessnell is there such thing as too many bonuses btw? [21:29]
mircea_popescu princessnell ahahaha. [21:29]
jurov i was a week under the rock, what is the vulpine thing? [21:30]
mircea_popescu jurov benkay got married. [21:30]
ben_vulpes to three chicks [21:30]
mircea_popescu princessnell yes, actually. it's the problem of the privileged, they can be too privileged. it's like being too poor in reverse. [21:30]
mircea_popescu princessnell so what happens after your merry band of radicals gets defeated ? [21:31]
princessnell we aren't expecting to win. we're trying to siphon the best talent to our cause. [21:31]
princessnell which is happening so that's nice [21:32]
ben_vulpes money > no money [21:32]
mircea_popescu princessnell what i want to know is why isn't your cause using the tools of victory. [21:32]
mircea_popescu get the whole lot in the wot, start opressing the little timmys of the world. [21:32]
mircea_popescu there's no victory outside of oppressing the other side into the dirt. [21:33]
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princessnell mircea_popescu that's a good idea. get some synergy going. it will take some easing into. [21:33]
mircea_popescu radicals don't get easing into. [21:33]
princessnell i'm walking a thin line as it is, trying to convert american millenial college grads into crimethinkers. [21:33]
mircea_popescu it's straight to the barbed 12 inch buttplug for them [21:33]
mircea_popescu hehe i had suspected that my and that band are tenuous. [21:34]
princessnell lol. the buttplug method can be a last resort. [21:35]
mircea_popescu lemme share a high water mark in the history of romanian cartoons [21:35]
mircea_popescu [21:36]
assbot RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube [21:36]
mircea_popescu the guy is saying "o pula roz din fier cu luminite" which means "a pink iron cock with blinkenlichten" [21:36]
princessnell i am a barbaric american monoglot, unfortunately :-/ [21:39]
HeySteve Das machine ist fur gerfingerpoken und mittengrabben. [21:39]
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jurov ben_vulpes: what is that your service everyone is talking about? i'm 10 days behind with the lawgs and your blog is dead [21:42]
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ben_vulpes [21:43]
ben_vulpes jurov: ^^ [21:43]
ben_vulpes has it only been ten days? [21:43]
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pankkake it seems interesting for venues but not really for advertisers [21:46]
ben_vulpes interestingly enough, we're shooting for quality venues first. [21:47]
mircea_popescu for moar spamlulz [21:48]
assbot Return-path: Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:4 - [21:48]
pankkake and you have to buy the ads per venue? [21:50]
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ben_vulpes for now. [21:50]
mircea_popescu pankkake how else ? [21:50]
ben_vulpes if you want to spend more money more quickly, i can make that happen for you. [21:51]
mircea_popescu anyway i got a meeting so bbl. [21:51]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: you're really bad at advertising. if you want text only you'd need support a inconography. The disney font is synonymous with the bran. [21:57]
thestringpuller iconography* [21:58]
thestringpuller if it's 1 font type it's not going to work long term but I guess we'll see [21:58]
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ben_vulpes i was actually just pondering configuring this thing to serve ads styled to actually look good when displayed on each venue. [21:59]
ben_vulpes you see, we're recruiting the best content creators and making the advertisers suck our dicks. [21:59]
ben_vulpes stomping out this "one neat trick!" animated gif shit. [21:59]
ben_vulpes you may as well tell me that GPG logins are too hard for advertisers to grok. well, fu. learn gpg, and play nicely with the people running your ads. [22:00]
thestringpuller how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 [22:02]
ben_vulpes there are some styling changes coming. header lines and such. [22:02]
thestringpuller Uh huh. [22:02]
ben_vulpes think adsense, not project wonderful. [22:03]
thestringpuller i'm thinking more moxie interactive [22:03]
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ben_vulpes yeah, don't do that. [22:03]
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thestringpuller Why not? You're excluding photographic based advertisements without any real merit except that "People should be compelled to click on an ad based on text alone." [22:05]
thestringpuller which is seemingly shallow given what successful ad agencies will claim "works" [22:06]
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chetty do ads 'work'?? [22:06]
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jurov chetty, for coinroll they do [22:07]
nubbins` chetty, after a fashion. sometimes. [22:07]
jurov for coinbr, not so much [22:07]
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ben_vulpes the ad advertising the right thing to the right people works [22:24]
nubbins` ^ [22:24]
nubbins` easier said than done [22:25]
HeySteve hmm assbot not going !down [22:25]
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ben_vulpes [22:26]
assbot Tennessee Drug Tests Welfare Applicants, Finds Just 1 Person Using Drugs | Alternet [22:26]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: that's not true [22:31]
thestringpuller at all [22:31]
thestringpuller There is a whole consortium of parents that keep their kids away from "real tv" so that they don't bug their parents for every new toy advertised. [22:32]
jurov um.. where did F.DERP vanish? or it still isn't trading? [22:34]
ben_vulpes jurov: i don't think it's hit the market yet. [22:35]
penguirker New blog post: [22:35]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: sounds like the ad is advertising to the right people. [22:35]
jurov ^finally published (with ben's help) how the thing is sposed to work [22:36]
thestringpuller more that advertisements "work" if they create an impression [22:36]
thestringpuller You're going for the hershey model [22:38]
thestringpuller which may have worked in 1963 [22:38]
thestringpuller but hey what do I know, not like I worked in advertising or anything :P [22:38]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: how many btc are you willing to put down to run an image ad? [22:38]
thestringpuller depends on the runtime [22:38]
ben_vulpes on top of the venue fee? [22:38]
thestringpuller and the metrics [22:39]
thestringpuller it'd be contigent [22:39]
ben_vulpes you're missing the entire point. [22:39]
ben_vulpes there are no metrics. [22:39]
ben_vulpes there is no click through rate. [22:39]
ben_vulpes there is no impression rate [22:39]
ben_vulpes there is only the venue and its audience. [22:39]
thestringpuller Yea and the venue has metrics. [22:39]
thestringpuller Of "page loads" and if my ad was displayed. [22:39]
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BingoBoingo ben_vulpes thestringpuller: These are the important questions which are probably better debated now than when you throw a beta label on it [22:57]
ben_vulpes benefits of a forum [22:57]
ben_vulpes clash of ideologies [22:57]
BingoBoingo Well right now it seems to be light on the ideology and heavy on logistics [22:59]
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jurov ben_vulpes do you have an example of an ad that is stylistically adapted to various publishers? [23:03]
kakobrekla [23:03]
BingoBoingo lolz kakobrekla [23:04]
jurov that souds good in theory, but dunno in practice [23:04]
ben_vulpes jurov: not at the moment. [23:05]
asciilifeform [23:06]
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ben_vulpes jurov: typeface would be the only knob i'd let venues twiddle. [23:06]
ben_vulpes at least right now. [23:06]
mike_c mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? [23:07]
ben_vulpes nethack! [23:07]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Suppose the venue's perspective where it's in the venue commits space X by Y pixels already. Seems bidding from people confident in a text ad and properly sized images would, eventually be a desirable situation. I imagine for you as well since... with a 1% house edge you've eventually got to get volume. [23:07]
BingoBoingo I mean ImageMagick generates the text ads anyway [23:07]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: sorry, I don't quite understand that first line. [23:08]
BingoBoingo Ah, sat on the sentence to long. The venue want's to attract a lot of bids, and has already sunk space on the ad widget. [23:09]
ben_vulpes right [23:09]
BingoBoingo If coinroll has a square ad that works for them already... [23:10]
ben_vulpes now what if coinroll wants to run an ad on 4 different blogs [23:10]
ben_vulpes that have all picked different widgets [23:11]
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BingoBoingo They've got to have appropiate sized art for each or a conversation with the blogs about standardizing on a size. [23:11]
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ben_vulpes which is one of the reasons VAN's running text only right now. [23:12]
ben_vulpes and probably will for quite some time. [23:12]
ben_vulpes let me reiterate: it caters to venues, not advertisers. [23:13]
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thestringpuller venues require traffic to be "catered to" vis-a-vis trilema vs. some other blog of quality that is not as established [23:16]
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ben_vulpes pardon? [23:17]
thestringpuller okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? [23:18]
BingoBoingo Well, there's got to be a contingency for the end of the month with the Trilema buy's advertised end. The buy this space graphic looks pretty good, but... I mean this could devolve into -assets bloggers just trolling each other again [23:18]
ben_vulpes okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? << because catering to the masses is a losing proposition. [23:20]
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jborkl i only troll others, not my fellow assets members [23:22]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell peterl nice work on [23:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:22]
assbot A cat picture | [23:22]
BingoBoingo jborkl: Not all of us are so kind [23:23]
jborkl lol, hehe [23:24]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: the venues arent customers. catering to a small intelligent audience and having them as your customer is not mutually exclusive [23:51]
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thestringpuller so tell me how catering to the venues which are not customers benefits the customer more? [23:52]
ben_vulpes who are the customers in this scenario? [23:52]
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