Forum logs for 14 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform at some point, one or more of the folks lowered into bitcherasty by usg will have a logical, adequate response. [00:00]
asciilifeform with something more than 19th c. tech [00:00]
mircea_popescu they don;t really need it. [00:00]
mircea_popescu 1st century tech is good enough for this task really. [00:01]
chetty even cave men could say NO [00:01]
asciilifeform 'When Dallas firefighters drove by the house, LeGuin allegedly started shooting at them. He hit the fire truck at least twice, police said.' [00:03]
asciilifeform ^ for non-usaians, this is a result of the peculiar custom of u.s. police using firemen as human shields [00:03]
asciilifeform chetty: cave man (or airplane man) is not an automatic born champion at saying 'no'. which is how we got 'the state' to begin with. [00:04]
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asciilifeform 'LeGuin had told police he was part of the “sovereign citizen” movement, which believes the federal, state and local governments operate illegally.' [00:07]
asciilifeform !s sovereign citizen [00:07]
assbot 2 results for 'sovereign citizen' : [00:07]
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nubbins` [00:08]
assbot Pay up or pay time: Alabama’s private probation industry | Al Jazeera America [00:08]
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nubbins` !s freeman on the land [00:08]
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nubbins` !s freeman [00:09]
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asciilifeform anyone have mircea_popescu's article on these handy ? [00:09]
nubbins` shrug [00:09]
mircea_popescu didn't i just log it above ? [00:09]
nubbins` uh [00:09]
nubbins` ^ [00:09]
nubbins` ;;google sops [00:09]
gribble No matches found. [00:09]
nubbins` boo [00:09]
mircea_popescu .com [00:09]
nubbins` rly?! [00:09]
nubbins` ;;google sops [00:09]
gribble The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks - Trilema: ; You have no potential. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Octombrie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [00:09]
asciilifeform aha this [00:10]
nubbins` there was one of these cases here in nl [00:10]
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nubbins` the accused was "educated" on the ways of being a freeloader-on-the-land by a mentally ill woman who grew up 4 houses away from me [00:10]
nubbins` :0 [00:10]
nubbins` prior to becoming a life advisor, she'd done stints impersonating a doctor, among other things [00:11]
asciilifeform these folks - a classic illustration of how it is not enough to 'say no' [00:11]
asciilifeform need to find how to make the 'no' stick. [00:11]
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nubbins` [00:12]
assbot Member of Freeman-on-the-Land movement voices objections - Local - The Telegram [00:12]
mircea_popescu !up Petrodriller [00:12]
-assbot- You voiced Petrodriller for 30 minutes. [00:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's sticking already. [00:12]
asciilifeform ;;google solzhenitsyn axe [00:12]
gribble Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned in the ...: ; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: ; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message) [00:12]
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nubbins` To the judge, she said, “Mr. Supernumerary, why are you still speaking? I’m the only one with standing in this courtroom and have the rights.” [00:13]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: then, i presume, the men in white coats came in ? [00:13]
nubbins` iirc she ended up relenting [00:14]
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mircea_popescu problem is all this cost her < a hamburger (which she gets free anyway) [00:14]
mircea_popescu it cost the sops prolly close to 1mn. [00:14]
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mircea_popescu they only get THAT free if they find someone to beg or steal it off. [00:15]
nubbins` book a courtroom, judge, sheriffs officers, all the paperwork that a dozen or two clerks can grab... [00:15]
nubbins` anyway, house arrest and probation [00:15]
nubbins` [00:15]
asciilifeform obligatory: [00:15]
assbot Amy Collins sentenced to house arrest, probation - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [00:15]
asciilifeform ;;google the art of not being governed [00:15]
gribble The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History ... - ; The Art of Not Being Governed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Art of Not Being Governed: [00:15]
asciilifeform ^ canonical book on the history of when extraction was more (or not) expensive for the state, than it is worth [00:16]
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asciilifeform (i'll spoil it: with 20th c. tech, virtually always a 'yes') [00:16]
mircea_popescu !up warptangent [00:16]
-assbot- You voiced warptangent for 30 minutes. [00:16]
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nubbins` fun [00:16]
mircea_popescu !up WarriorForum [00:16]
-assbot- You voiced WarriorForum for 30 minutes. [00:16]
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mircea_popescu !up Unitar [00:17]
-assbot- You voiced Unitar for 30 minutes. [00:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda why the credit bubble is required for usg : because all extraction only works if it costs more than it extracts [00:19]
mircea_popescu this being the fundamental of rooslvelt's new deal. [00:19]
asciilifeform costs more? backwards? [00:19]
mircea_popescu every dollar the usg extracts from anything costs it more than a dollar as a precondition of its continued existence. [00:20]
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asciilifeform and still not seeing it. a few mil. people in usa evicted, how many shot at the sheriff? ten? [00:20]
mircea_popescu they can only get evicted provided their eviction costs more than it's worth. [00:21]
chetty got to keep pumping that debt [00:22]
asciilifeform considering that this is rather opposite of the thermodynamics we learned in kindergarten, perhaps deserves explanation ? [00:22]
mircea_popescu yeah, the whole story works fine for as long as the expansion of debt remains unrestricted. [00:22]
asciilifeform e.g. oil well that needs more joules to pump than you get out - is abandoned [00:22]
mircea_popescu this creates "assets" for everyone involved, and so... [00:22]
asciilifeform why would opposite rule apply here [00:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ask roosevelt. [00:23]
mircea_popescu i didn't come up with it. [00:23]
asciilifeform roosevelt (or stalin, for that matter) just subscribed to a somewhat baroque school of biodiesel manufacture [00:23]
mircea_popescu nah, the cripple came up with it all on his own. [00:23]
asciilifeform that is, it doesn't matter that the well is -EV if expendable slaves are pumping by hand [00:23]
asciilifeform you're converting their fat to fuel [00:24]
mircea_popescu "how great would it be if we cut off everyone's legs, and hired someone to push them around" [00:24]
mircea_popescu stalin's thing was reality bound. roosevelt's thing was not. [00:24]
asciilifeform roosevelt started with considerably more fat [00:24]
mircea_popescu this is why the soviet union collapsed cleanly, whereas the libertard union will not. [00:25]
mircea_popescu nah [00:25]
mircea_popescu that's not where it lies. stalin's externality was belly fat [00:25]
mircea_popescu r's externality was brain fat. [00:25]
mircea_popescu ;;google sops [00:26]
gribble No matches found. [00:26]
mircea_popescu orly. [00:26]
mircea_popescu in honor of nubbins` typing skills, you can now access trilema as or at your option. [00:27]
mircea_popescu (cookies won't work if you get them on the wrong domain, so reset if you switch) [00:27]
thestringpuller everytime I see cookies won't work i think people are like "i don't like cookies. they aren't delicious" [00:28]
mircea_popescu lol [00:28]
thestringpuller and it makes me think "are you crazy?" [00:28]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:28]
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nubbins` oh also: [00:29]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [00:29]
nubbins` this image came to me as a psd with, no joke, over 150 layers [00:30]
mircea_popescu looks like it was worth it [00:30]
nubbins` as i can't fit 150 screens on the press, this is reduced to 4 layers [00:30]
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thestringpuller well you could use 150 screens [00:31]
thestringpuller but that'd be insane [00:31]
nubbins` anyway, clearing through the backlog. 150-ish two-sided cards and another hundred shirts and i'm in the clear for digging into the bitcoin posters [00:31]
nubbins` thestringpuller it'd be cumbersome [00:32]
nubbins` there were only like 6 or 7 colors in there to begin with. it's just that for some reason she put each stroke in its own layer [00:32]
thestringpuller i'm just gonna tell my screenprinting people that you can print 150 colors [00:32]
thestringpuller np [00:33]
thestringpuller they don't have to know you actually don't [00:33]
thestringpuller get them to step up their game [00:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00175001 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2} [00:33]
nubbins` they already need to step up their game if they wanna be as good as us ;D [00:33]
thestringpuller the "mythical" 150 screen press serves as a better motivator ;) [00:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's model this with a game of chess. suppose there's ten of us in a room. nine are amateurs, i am a rated pro. [00:35]
mircea_popescu first game starts. i tell my opponent "listen, if you let me play with an extra queen, i [00:36]
mircea_popescu ll let you play with two extra queens on the rematch" [00:36]
mircea_popescu now this is actually +ev for the opponent : he probably can't beat a pro on even figures, so giving an extra gueen is not much to give. [00:36]
nubbins` in the philippines, they do a lot of peg-and-hole printing, you could theoretically do 150-color designs no sweat [00:36]
mircea_popescu however, no pro in the world can beat someone with three queens on the table. and so he consents. [00:36]
mircea_popescu i won a game. [00:37]
nubbins` set up like 200-500 shirts at a time on these huge long tables, each shirt has 2 wooden dowels sticking out of the board above it [00:37]
mircea_popescu the problem is, it cost me more to win than it's worth. but i won it. [00:37]
nubbins` printer takes a squeegee and screen w/ 2 holes on top, slips screen onto first set of dowels, prints, steps to the right, repeat [00:37]
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mircea_popescu which you know, in some approaches to politics, such as would for instance be favoured by temporary figureheads elected by a democracy, and supported by an unmovable bureaucracy, is the whole of my job. [00:37]
mircea_popescu next game, let someone else handle the problems. [00:38]
mircea_popescu what this entire thing depends on is the nigger' [00:39]
mircea_popescu s birth certificate remaining unquestioned, so to speak. [00:39]
mircea_popescu by the time people actually figure out the nsa is NOT what they'd buy if they had the money to buy a nsa and were in the nsa market... [00:39]
nubbins` [00:40]
assbot t shirt printing philippines - YouTube [00:40]
thestringpuller wow nubbins` [00:43]
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mircea_popescu !up bocobit [00:43]
nubbins` look at the guy removing them, each platen has a big stack of shirts snugged onto it [00:43]
-assbot- You voiced bocobit for 30 minutes. [00:43]
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nubbins` and they just peel em off as they go [00:43]
nubbins` that's crazy [00:43]
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nubbins` [00:46]
assbot water based 5 color printing - YouTube [00:46]
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nubbins` drawback to this method is you can't cure the ink between colors [00:47]
nubbins` you can see a guy waving a heat gun around ;0 [00:47]
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mircea_popescu << eulora gaining moar mommentum each week [00:56]
assbot Index of /eulora [00:56]
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thestringpuller a little bit every day [00:59]
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mod6 :D [01:08]
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BingoBoingo Oh, the Greyhawk NPC is already in Euloria [01:45]
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mod6 oooooo man [01:58]
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mod6 there isn't going to be a screen shot of that ;> [02:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.02523161 = 0.656 BTC [-] [02:09]
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BingoBoingo !up dpb_reddit [02:11]
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BingoBoingo Hello dpb_reddit [02:11]
dpb_reddit Hi! CryptyLabs LLC will be creating a suite of services to make the use and accessibility of Bitcoins easier for everyone. The first product being created in our suite is trading software, commonly known as bots. We plan to launch in 5 weeks under they CryptyBots brand. We are looking for person(s) who can fill one or both of the following position(s): 1. Software/bot trading developer 2. Backtest Developer Best candidat [02:11]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: Why are you offering us best Candida? I don't want to itch! [02:12]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: What is your role in this CryptoLabs business? [02:14]
dpb_reddit I am one of the 2 co-founders, currently a 5 man operation - we are launching in 5 weeks [02:14]
BingoBoingo That was some seriously unfortuante text clipping on your message though because it seems you are wishing us all nasty fungal itches... [02:16]
dpb_reddit So, I set up the business, finances, marketing, put the team together, etc. [02:16]
BingoBoingo What kind of history do you have? [02:16]
BingoBoingo And why start with trading software if your target audience is the everyman? [02:17]
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Blazedout419 [02:17]
Blazedout419 thoughts? [02:17]
dpb_reddit I have worked at a financial investment group, and have started startups freelanding around - currently have a lot of free time and this is one of my serious projects. [02:17]
kakobrekla so, nothing with bitcoin? [02:18]
dpb_reddit The reason we are starting with the trading software is because if someone is new to bitcoins, we are providing the easiest, and best profiting bots out so far - our product is done, but we are looking for more developers and backtest feature [02:18]
dpb_reddit Yes, I know how to program, I am also currently creating my own coin as a project. I am involved in cryptos and trade on exchanges. [02:18]
kakobrekla i think _you_ are new to bitcoin. [02:18]
dpb_reddit I have also written my own bot, but the bots we are selling are created much more professionally than I can make [02:18]
dpb_reddit I am not new to bitcoins [02:19]
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dpb_reddit If anyone is interestd, send an email to [02:19]
kakobrekla so, having some fx experience, i can tell you there just one kind of bots for sale on this planet. the ones that dont work. [02:20]
dpb_reddit I will tell you our bots work, and we have about 300 happy customers already. [02:20]
dpb_reddit Anyways, I am not here to explain myself, or prove anything, simply trying to hire for a good startup company. [02:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the chess example, or its life version with debt, etc. is really a play on 'hilbert's hotel' [02:21]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: Still, why not for example make a fork of Armory that isn't spyware or something, what is this with trading bots [02:21]
asciilifeform if you could actually move judgement day off by a day without limit, it'd work [02:21]
kakobrekla BingoBoingo thats not selling dreams. [02:21]
dpb_reddit What do you mean, BingoBingo? [02:22]
pete_dushenski [02:22]
assbot This is the Bitcoin Empire's Yasa: [02:22]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: Like sell software that makes using and storing bitcoin a better experience [02:22]
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dpb_reddit Well there are wallets, pretty easy to store bitcoins. Our bots will be very easy to use, interface is super clean. [02:23]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: But I mean why introduce risky trading bots as a first product to new users? [02:23]
kakobrekla its 100& guaranteed profit prolly. [02:24]
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dpb_reddit They are not super risky. They profit very consistently. Of course I cannot guarantee 100% of the time, but it generally does profit well and gets your money back. Backtests can show this. Kakobrekla, please do not be disrespectful, I am being honest here. [02:25]
kakobrekla you are honestly not having a clue. [02:25]
dpb_reddit I am not going to argue with you. I know what I am doing. [02:25]
kakobrekla i do wat i want! [02:26]
dpb_reddit Okay, southpark [02:26]
mike_c it's actually honey boo-boo [02:26]
kakobrekla lol [02:26]
dpb_reddit hah [02:26]
kakobrekla !up Flerb [02:26]
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Flerb Ah [02:27]
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Flerb Thanks [02:27]
kakobrekla yw [02:27]
dpb_reddit So, is this webchat legitimate? Or do people just question the person trying to hire lol [02:27]
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kakobrekla check the logs? [02:27]
dpb_reddit nah, asking the community [02:27]
Flerb dpb_reddit: yes. We guarantee 100% profit completely [02:27]
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dpb_reddit Have a nice day everyone, I am done here. [02:27]
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Flerb Well, we guarantee a very good profit rate [02:28]
RagnarDanneskjol @ dpb_reddit - I am a tech recruiter. send me a detailed job requisition to and I'll see what i can do to help [02:28]
dpb_reddit Thank you ragnar, I will PM you real quick. Everyone else here seems to like to make up things and make assumptions based off of nothing. [02:29]
cazalla dpb_reddit, why not keep it for yourself if it's so good? [02:29]
BingoBoingo !topic [02:29]
BingoBoingo ;;topic [02:29]
gribble || || || [02:29]
kakobrekla because there is infinite liquidity on btc market cazalla doh [02:29]
Flerb Wait, is armory spyware? [02:29]
RagnarDanneskjol no - they are mostly right, you prolly have a lot to learn about all this stuff prior to launching a business, so consider this your hazing [02:29]
mike_c armory phones home with a hash of your home directory [02:30]
BingoBoingo Flerb: It leaks information [02:30]
dpb_reddit I know a lot about this. Why assume I know nothing? [02:30]
Flerb Oh as in the pinging to them of your is and uname? [02:30]
dpb_reddit But, whatever. [02:30]
Flerb *ip [02:30]
BingoBoingo Flerb: Yeah [02:30]
RagnarDanneskjol good place to start is here: [02:30]
assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? [02:30]
mike_c well, IP is inherent in the pinging :) [02:30]
Flerb They apologised I thought and said they are working on it [02:31]
Flerb But yeah, that was pretty stupid [02:31]
dpb_reddit I have seen that, very popular on bticointalk [02:31]
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Flerb I've not seen bticointalk [02:31]
BingoBoingo Flerb: Still, it isn't the sort of thing people get to apologize for since... What else are they hiding [02:31]
RagnarDanneskjol mm k [02:31]
mike_c they aren't even hiding. their position is they have the right to track usage. [02:31]
Flerb Hmm [02:32]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: Well seems you haven't learned from that post [02:32]
Flerb Well [02:32]
Flerb It's open sourcw [02:32]
Flerb Isn't it! [02:32]
Flerb *? [02:32]
dpb_reddit Why? Because I tried to recruit smoeone on here [02:33]
kakobrekla noone wants to work with idiots. [02:33]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect the permanent fact that the economist is a piece of toilet paper upon which down syndrome patients scribble whatever shit happens through their head. << kablamm! [02:33]
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pete_dushenski iirc it was dr. down who came up with the term "mongoloid" [02:34]
pete_dushenski kinda a slap to genghis and kublah but twas the style at the time [02:34]
BingoBoingo lol danielpbarron is now auto naming his referals in his links here from the forumtrolling [02:34]
los_pantalones that guy dpq was in and out quickly, huh? [02:35]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: except idiots [02:36]
los_pantalones was hoping to chat with that chap and see what he thinks he has [02:36]
kakobrekla retard or scammer. doesnt make a diff. [02:36]
BingoBoingo los_pantalones: He was refered here by a link danielpbarron left on reddit, who is to say who he actually is? [02:37]
los_pantalones indeed [02:37]
BingoBoingo Freenode webchat lets you name people by links [02:37]
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RagnarDanneskjol doesnt matter to me - long as he has a recruitment budget, which I highly doubt [02:38]
Flerb Anyone here bought BTM? [02:39]
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decimation << microserf implemented fpga co-processors for bing search, paper is mildly interesting [02:40]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: the chess example, or its life version with debt, etc. is really a play on 'hilbert's hotel' << so it is. for as long as the theoretical properties of aleph-cardinals hold in real sets, well... why not. [02:40]
Flerb So how do I get voiced in the future without pming someone? [02:40]
decimation it appears that altera is beating xilinix these days "on the street" [02:40]
mircea_popescu Blazedout419 uping spambots is not nice. [02:41]
RagnarDanneskjol on the strreet, yes, but any industrial embedded stuff is still xilinx [02:41]
Blazedout419 spam bots? [02:42]
RagnarDanneskjol this was interesting to hear too [02:42]
assbot Intel unveils new Xeon chip with integrated FPGA, touts 20x performance boost | ExtremeTech [02:42]
mircea_popescu the dpb thing above. [02:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I upped him, they followed a link here [02:42]
mircea_popescu Flerb [02:43]
Blazedout419 ^^ I was showing you guys my news coins [02:43]
assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:43]
mircea_popescu shit i misread my b's. sorry Blazedout419 [02:43]
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BingoBoingo From one of danielpbarron's forum links where he shows people the light and truth [02:43]
BingoBoingo His referrals get tagged with a dpb_SiteName username [02:44]
mircea_popescu o hey. now that'sfucking smart. [02:44]
mircea_popescu who came up wioth it ? [02:44]
kakobrekla only then for the light of truth to be extinguished by kako, upon tunnel entrance [02:45]
mircea_popescu So, is this webchat legitimate? Or do people just question the person trying to hire lol << aka "herpyderp I know shit, and don't want to adjust. everyone else must adjust to my stupid head. or else i will say the bad thing!!!1" [02:45]
mircea_popescu fucking idiots. [02:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seems he did [02:46]
mircea_popescu I've not seen bticointalk << where you from then ? [02:47]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron the prepended dpb is actually fucking clever. how do you do it ? this must be a standard, ima put it on trilema too. [02:48]
asciilifeform !s xilinx [02:49]
assbot 19 results for 'xilinx' : [02:49]
asciilifeform decimation: xilinx and altera both make tightly 'closed' chips, for reasons discussed in agonizing detail earlier [02:49]
asciilifeform altera is more or less the 'worst of all worlds' - considerably poorer gate density, shoddier linux toolchain support, and not really winning on price either [02:50]
BingoBoingo %ob [02:50]
atcbot 16k@250 2k@245 43k@225 | 185k@190 47k@188 37k@187 [02:50]
asciilifeform so it was never entirely clear to me why it exists, other than the fact that it wants to and the bezzlatron decrees it [02:50]
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mircea_popescu sounds like the perfect party to host a pretend-win media party. [02:51]
mircea_popescu on the street. [02:51]
mircea_popescu dignork it looks for you to actually load the page, and not fill in too quickly. [02:53]
BingoBoingo dignork: Did you take to long to write it? [02:53]
mircea_popescu if you reloaded and instapasted that'd be why. [02:56]
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trixisowned [03:02]
trixisowned just got banned for posting that in #bitcoin [03:02]
trixisowned :P [03:02]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [03:03]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [03:03]
mircea_popescu who's that ? [03:04]
trixisowned andreas [03:04]
trixisowned who else [03:04]
trixisowned ahahaha [03:04]
mircea_popescu !up Flerb [03:04]
-assbot- You voiced Flerb for 30 minutes. [03:04]
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mircea_popescu oh the neobee shill ? [03:04]
nubbins` i have about 50% success posting comments to trilema [03:04]
mircea_popescu what, is he reduced to shoe on head type of work now ? [03:04]
mircea_popescu nubbins` srsly that bad ? [03:04]
nubbins` i try to be as non-robotty as possible, but.. shrug [03:05]
nubbins` it eventually lets me [03:05]
nubbins` sometimes takes like 3-4 tries [03:05]
nubbins` sometimes i just give up :0 [03:05]
mircea_popescu well this sucks. [03:05]
nubbins` no [03:05]
nubbins` tor is for weenies [03:05]
mircea_popescu 12 here. [03:05]
mircea_popescu tor shouldn't really do anything [03:06]
nubbins` i'd ask you how it identifies bots, but y'know [03:06]
mircea_popescu not a secret, i even published the code. [03:06]
nubbins` o? [03:06]
mircea_popescu there's a hidden form field based on your ip [03:07]
mircea_popescu (bots don't load the page on the same pass as they fill the comments - they use spiders, like google) [03:07]
mircea_popescu and other than that, it looks that you took at least a few seconds to type your comment in [03:07]
nubbins` i do occasionally write up comments in a text editor & paste em in [03:08]
* nubbins` is an accidental enter-presser ;( [03:08]
nubbins` Blazedout419 nice coin [03:09]
mircea_popescu well that'd do it then. [03:09]
Flerb So do I need OTC ratings to talk? [03:11]
nubbins` you need to be in assbot's trust network in order to voice yourself [03:11]
nubbins` ;;ident [03:11]
gribble Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None [03:11]
nubbins` i mean: [03:11]
nubbins` ;;ident Flerb [03:11]
gribble Nick 'Flerb', with hostmask 'Flerb!~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123', is not identified. [03:11]
Flerb Oh I see [03:11]
nubbins` ^ step one [03:11]
nubbins` step two: [03:12]
nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot Flerb [03:12]
Flerb ;;ident Flerb [03:12]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Flerb: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [03:12]
gribble Nick 'Flerb', with hostmask 'Flerb!~willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123', is not identified. [03:12]
mircea_popescu Flerb i linked you above to the explanation. did you read it ? [03:12]
Flerb Yeah [03:12]
mircea_popescu so, yeah, you need ratings from the people that are in the magic list. [03:12]
Flerb Ok [03:12]
Flerb But ratings surely are for trades? [03:12]
nubbins` ratings are for trust [03:12]
Flerb Oh [03:12]
nubbins` this can be for trades, for back rubs, for business dealings, etc [03:13]
mircea_popescu everything is a trade. [03:13]
Flerb Oh ok [03:13]
Flerb So I'll register with otc [03:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i made the conditions less draconic. [03:14]
mircea_popescu let me know if it's still a pain. [03:14]
decimation also of mild interest: << seems intel isn't delivering 14 nm for anything important in the near future [03:14]
assbot Intel Outlines 14nm, Broadwell | EE Times [03:14]
nubbins` will do. let me know if you get more comment spam! [03:14]
mircea_popescu i never get any anyway :) [03:14]
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Flerb Why is this necessary? Was there a lot of spam? [03:14]
mircea_popescu Flerb it's to oppress people. [03:15]
nubbins` now if only you could get rid of the pingbacks ;D [03:15]
Flerb Oh cool [03:15]
Flerb I love oppression [03:15]
mircea_popescu decimation yeah it was kinda dead in the water 14nm [03:15]
nubbins` you'll fit in here [03:15]
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RagnarDanneskjol from what i understand, @ 16-14nm existing foundry tools just don't cut it (literally) to get any effective performance yield [03:17]
mircea_popescu yup [03:20]
decimation yeah these features are ~30 Si atoms in size, not surprising that photo-lithography is failing [03:20]
BingoBoingo Architectures are about to get exotic again [03:20]
mircea_popescu it's the end of that accursed law, we can get back to humanity for a while. [03:20]
mircea_popescu until wetware, is my bet. [03:20]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea [03:21]
mircea_popescu holy shit. ipads ARENT MULTITASKING !? [03:21]
mircea_popescu dude. jesus. omfg. [03:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a normal unix box [03:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but apple's first version of os didn't support user task switching [03:22]
mircea_popescu then why does everything stop the moment it goes to background ? [03:22]
mircea_popescu hm. [03:22]
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decimation the capability to shrink dies has far outstripped the capability to design logic to exploit the new possibility space [03:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i recall, it uses an evil semi-cooperative task scheduler for user apps (vs system daemons) where 'non-essential' threads are suspended [03:23]
asciilifeform this, according to the dev manual, is to save battery charge. [03:23]
kakobrekla this thing was introduced in the later models only ? [03:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so basically... it doesn't have multi-tasking. [03:23]
asciilifeform running more than one user app simultaneously was introduced in ver. 4 i think. [03:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it does, but app has to explicitly ask for it [03:24]
decimation I'm sure the hand of steve was in this [03:24]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla> this thing was introduced in the later models only ? << This thing was introduced when they "introduced" "multi-tasking" [03:24]
mircea_popescu sooo basicalllllllyyyyy.... [03:24]
asciilifeform so, for instance, streaming audio apps can play in background [03:24]
mircea_popescu whgat the fuck am i going to do, run ipad gcc and make the app ask ? [03:24]
asciilifeform what's the app in question [03:24]
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mircea_popescu various random games. i got a tablet to check out what's going on in that space. [03:25]
asciilifeform if it ought to do something useful in background and doesn't, it is the author's fault, yes [03:25]
mircea_popescu turns out... everything downloads in a patch-needed state [03:25]
mircea_popescu and everything takes > 10 minutes to patch [03:25]
mircea_popescu and everything wants to be front-up while doing this [03:25]
mircea_popescu and i think i am going to buy a hammer. [03:25]
BingoBoingo I'd be interested in partnering with someone to startup S.MASH [03:26]
* asciilifeform owns one of virtually every basic type of portable tablet/reader gizmo, they each have some use [03:26]
BingoBoingo !s s.mash [03:26]
assbot 4 results for 's.mash' : [03:26]
mircea_popescu and this leaving aside the problem that every shithead from vietnam to shangshitland is making the same dumbass 3 or 4 games, with the most ridiculous mechanics, [03:26]
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decimation plus 'ipad gcc' (xcode) only runs on a mac, and you have to tell apple why you want it (not that it would help without the app source) [03:27]
mircea_popescu but that notwithstanding, it's apparently impossible to get any of these aspiring "software houses" to even pick up the phone. [03:27]
asciilifeform 'nexus 10', for example, is just right for reading vintage djvu scans of 'наука и жизнь'. [03:27]
mircea_popescu we've created a fine empire of cacophonic nonsense, i tell you. such victory of civilisation ;/ [03:27]
BingoBoingo I imagine most of them can't afford phones [03:27]
decimation ascii do you have one of those huge sony e-ink readers? [03:27]
asciilifeform decimation: amazon's 'kindle dx' [03:27]
asciilifeform used exclusively for russian war3z [03:27]
decimation yeah, sony was going to be paper sized [03:28]
mircea_popescu i literally was confronted with obviously the same one (stupid) thing, once with a scantily clad "mobster" girl, then later with a scantily clad "medieval fantasy" girl. [03:28]
decimation or bigger actually, I think they bailed on that business [03:28]
BingoBoingo The Sony readers were basically warez text only, it was great [03:28]
asciilifeform sony did the original 'prs' box (sold mine for less than cost of shipping years ago) [03:28]
asciilifeform but has fallen down since [03:28]
asciilifeform dx, if i recall, is sadly out of production [03:28]
decimation [03:29]
assbot Sony's 13-inch 'Digital Paper' is just like paper, except it costs $1,100 [03:29]
* asciilifeform hates epaper touch screens as a concept [03:30]
decimation my bid for such a device is $100 [03:30]
nubbins` <+decimation> plus 'ipad gcc' (xcode) only runs on a mac, and you have to tell apple why you want it << you have to tell apple why you want xcode? [03:30]
asciilifeform can't finger-scroll on it, so only thing that happens is dirt [03:30]
decimation nubbins`: at least in the past you had to get a developer account [03:30]
* nubbins` shakes head [03:30]
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nubbins` you need a developer account to load apps onto your idevice, sure [03:30]
asciilifeform decimation: afaik you still do if you want to actually run your code on (uncracked) apple portable gizmos [03:31]
nubbins` xcode itself is just a general ide. totally free [03:31]
decimation yeah they don't charge you for xcode but you still need to sign up afaik [03:31]
nubbins` you could use it to build eulora for your mac if you wanted [03:31]
nubbins` nah [03:31]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah if you want to actually ship your code, you have to submit your source to apple for approval [03:32]
asciilifeform and pay. [03:32]
decimation apple: usg dept of shiny things [03:32]
asciilifeform although last i checked - only binaries [03:32]
dignork nubbins`: last time I tried, i had to root the phone and patch the xcode to avoid dev license [03:32]
nubbins` we're talking about two different things here [03:33]
decimation asciilifeform: << you are right, they just scan binaries [03:33]
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assbot iphone - Does apple view the actual source code when approving apps? - Stack Overflow [03:33]
nubbins` yes, you need a developer account ($99) to install code to your ipad or iphone [03:33]
nubbins` no, you do not need anything except *maybe* an itunes account to download and use xcode [03:34]
BingoBoingo ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Thinks, enthusiastic [03:34]
* asciilifeform developed for 'ipad' once, a long time ago. [03:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2. [03:34]
* nubbins` developed for ipad once as well [03:34]
* asciilifeform gave up in disgust, didn't finish [03:34]
decimation ;;rate asciilifeform 2 engineer of many things [03:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user asciilifeform has been recorded. [03:34]
* nubbins` paid for ipad with sales from two apps :/ [03:34]
mircea_popescu well if anyone knows any of these twerps that keep spitting out pointless, copycat ipad games, [03:34]
mircea_popescu make a connection. [03:34]
nubbins` objective-c is gnarly [03:34]
decimation asciilifeform: what did you think of objective C? [03:34]
nubbins` i actually know a brilliant objective-c programmer [03:35]
asciilifeform decimation: not a fan. abuse of poor c, just like cpp [03:35]
decimation yeah I would put them in the same category (c++ and objc) [03:35]
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nubbins` he's been getting a lot of work doing interactive media displays for big corps and stuff lately [03:35]
RagnarDanneskjol is he for hire? - I got jobs need fillin [03:35]
BingoBoingo Huff Po Dude is now in handcuffs >> [03:35]
assbot I counted 70+ SWAT officers. Guns trained on crowds. Insanity. [03:35]
assbot SWAT just invade McDonald's where I'm working/recharging. Asked for ID when I took photo. [03:35]
asciilifeform c doesn't like to commit atrocities, it was only following orders [03:35]
mircea_popescu lol ragnar's gonna build an empire here [03:35]
nubbins` RagnarDanneskjol he probably is and you probably can't afford him [03:35]
decimation I never really understood why structs and function pointers weren't enough for someone to build all the "objects" they desired [03:36]
RagnarDanneskjol ha [03:36]
nubbins` :D [03:36]
asciilifeform is that a raytheon microwave cannon on the right hand side? [03:36]
asciilifeform ;;google active denial system [03:37]
gribble Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Video: I Got Blasted by the Pentagon's Pain Ray — Twice | Danger ...: ; The Active Denial System (ADS) - YouTube: [03:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Looks like it's baby brother doesn't it [03:37]
nubbins` looks like it [03:37]
decimation I never understood why mcds doesn't replace their mouthbreathing employees with robots [03:37]
mircea_popescu "Your right to assembly is not being denied," the police said later over a loudspeaker. [03:37]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:37]
asciilifeform these were, officially, pulled from iraq [03:37]
asciilifeform ... for cooking own operators [03:37]
BingoBoingo [03:37]
assbot Photo of reporter I believe to be /ryanjreilly being cuffed and put in a police van minutes ago in /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash [03:37]
asciilifeform not one comment mentions the dish ? [03:38]
asciilifeform what gives ? [03:38]
mircea_popescu people be clueless ? [03:38]
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asciilifeform i suppose they'll learn when it is switched on [03:39]
decimation are you talking about the sector dish on the white pole? [03:40]
BingoBoingo Well, sunset is soon enough, that seems to be when tear gas goes on [03:40]
BingoBoingo decimation: Mounted on the roof on rightmost vehicle [03:40]
mircea_popescu i guess it's a great time to be an reenaction armorsmith [03:42]
asciilifeform [03:42]
assbot Raytheon ADS? - Imgur [03:42]
mircea_popescu pretty much all this expensive high tech crap dies a hoirrible death if confronted with chain mail. [03:42]
dignork asciilifeform: the dish looks bigger on wiki: [03:42]
assbot Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [03:42]
asciilifeform they had a mini version [03:42]
asciilifeform no public photos afaik [03:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform raytheon has been trying to prop up th emegahole in its balncesheet by selling a mini version to fed backed usg agencies. [03:43]
mircea_popescu but from what i hear it doth not actually work. [03:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: [03:43]
assbot What is this thing /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash [03:43]
decimation re: death ray << it is well known amoung amateur radio folks that RF burns are extremely nasty, they don't heal like normal wounds [03:50]
RagnarDanneskjol it just looks like a turrett hatch to me [03:51]
decimation [03:52]
assbot Munson: Heavy-duty military equipment given to police [03:52]
decimation "Washington's MRAP, valued at $733,000, was as "free" to the city as a diesel monster with a 74-gallon gas tank that guzzles down the road at 5 miles per gallon can be." [03:52]
BingoBoingo decimation> re: death ray << it is well known amoung amateur radio folks that RF burns are extremely nasty, they don't heal like normal wounds << Still better than touching the antenna... [03:53]
decimation I'm not sure how you are going to make money selling to the democratic police when the surplus war material is "free" [03:53]
* BingoBoingo keeps telling himself Mexico is only a 30 day walk away [03:53]
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BingoBoingo !up GodHatesFigs [03:54]
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decimation I just at a few raw figs, they were delicious [03:54]
BingoBoingo [03:54]
assbot What the wife of the /hashtag/ferguson?src=hash chief of police has to say on her Facebook [03:55]
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BingoBoingo !up AdrianoOliveira [03:56]
* assbot gives voice to AdrianoOliveira [03:56]
AdrianoOliveira hello everyone!! [03:56]
BingoBoingo Hello AdrianoOliveira [03:56]
decimation re: chain mail << no need, just wear this: [03:57]
assbot RF protective garments or suits are described. [03:57]
decimation made for folks who work on live broadcast antennae [03:57]
dignork decimation: love their warning: "If your ankles feel warm, something is wrong!" [04:00]
decimation lol yeah you would have to pay me a fair amount of cash to get me to climb a tower in that suit in front of a live high-power transmit antenna [04:01]
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RagnarDanneskjol anyone into rf haxory should check this. most interesting/well developed proj I've seen in the space to date: [04:02]
assbot mossmann/hackrf GitHub [04:02]
dignork RagnarDanneskjol: it's on preorder :( [04:03]
RagnarDanneskjol i made one w/ my bare hands [04:03]
decimation yeah, those are neat, except the most interesting part is the fact that you can capture a decent band [04:04]
decimation what are you going to do with the band, once you have it? [04:04]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: You really aren't playing with RF until you are measuring power in at least tens of watts [04:04]
RagnarDanneskjol I work on radar/IR jamming stuff w/ fpgas, electronic warfare [04:04]
RagnarDanneskjol I know what I'm doing, have lots of burns to prove it [04:05]
BingoBoingo Ah, I'm more familiar with DX'ing as a sport [04:06]
BingoBoingo How far can you get on X power budget in Y Band? [04:06]
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decimation I guess it goes down to 10 mhz so you could do HF [04:07]
decimation at least the upper end [04:07]
BingoBoingo Yeah [04:08]
decimation it barely puts out 1 watt [04:08]
BingoBoingo That's what AMPs are for [04:09]
decimation I strongly suspect you would need additional filtering if you were to use one in a 'civilized' manner [04:09]
dignork RagnarDanneskjol: also this thread was lol: [04:09]
assbot Sniffing GSM with HackRF [04:09]
BingoBoingo decimation: Nothing about Radio is civilized [04:10]
RagnarDanneskjol yea I saw that, very cool [04:10]
decimation BingoBoingo: are you referring to conversations on 80 meters? [04:10]
BingoBoingo decimation: Oh, its always the same story from 2-160 meters [04:10]
dignork RagnarDanneskjol: yeah, but check the titon's reply :) [04:11]
decimation yeah amateur radio would be much more fun if there were people to talk to other than hams [04:11]
RagnarDanneskjol hmm [04:11]
BingoBoingo IRC over Ham is a thing... [04:12]
decimation BingoBoingo: how so? [04:13]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea, so is IP [04:13]
BingoBoingo decimation: You can do internet protocol over Ham [04:14]
BingoBoingo Nothing "encrypted" though [04:14]
decimation BingoBoingo: yeah I'm aware, but I was wondering if someone had a live gateway somewhere [04:14]
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RagnarDanneskjol sure, and I have heard of encryption schemes I think too [04:14]
RagnarDanneskjol just been getting into gnurad recently. [04:14]
assbot Tutorials: GNU Radio for beginners | Dangerous Prototypes [04:14]
mircea_popescu I'm not sure how you are going to make money selling to the democratic police when the surplus war material is "free" << love will find a way. [04:15]
decimation I love this distinction between proper police who serve the king, the local baron's agents, and the "democratic police". I'm going to use the phrase more often. [04:16]
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mircea_popescu yeah amateur radio would be much more fun if there were people to talk to other than hams << like what, 19/f/cali accidentally on the transmission ? [04:18]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That could be a charity, 19 year old Cali girls on 10 meters [04:19]
BingoBoingo If the US cared about diplomacy this could replace Voice of America entirely [04:19]
decimation no the median ham is a ossified 50-70 year old male who rarely has anything interesting to say [04:20]
mircea_popescu now that's an idea, i wonder how the iraq/afghan wars would have went if instead of 2-500k gay boys eager to play videogames [04:20]
mircea_popescu the us war dept just enlisted 2-500k eager valley sluts and packed them off. [04:20]
mircea_popescu "come back in two years" [04:21]
decimation with or without guns? [04:21]
mircea_popescu no guns, and not so much clothing either. [04:21]
mircea_popescu let the arabs sort it out. [04:21]
decimation well, they would be alternately raped and stoned to death I would suspect [04:21]
mircea_popescu really [04:21]
mircea_popescu ? [04:21]
mircea_popescu i bet you lower casualties than currently observed. [04:22]
mircea_popescu no culture murders nubile defenseless womenz. [04:22]
mircea_popescu i tell you, when i am tyrant this is how my tyranyship will be fighting wars. [04:23]
decimation unless one of them was a daughter who embarrassed his father? [04:23]
mircea_popescu "you piss us off we're sending the girls over your place." [04:23]
mircea_popescu decimation exactly. no ties, no killings. [04:23]
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decimation well I certainly agree that there would be fewer causalties, given that iraq is safer for said video-game boi than the US, but quite deadly for the average iraqi [04:24]
decimation btw if you want to listen to random hams you can go here: set to "LSB" and tune between 7090 and 7180 or so [04:26]
assbot Wide-band WebSDR in JO32KF [04:26]
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decimation !up xe4l [04:29]
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mike_c i can't find anything [04:29]
decimation !up tris [04:29]
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BingoBoingo Local TV channels still on "regularly scheduled programming" guess that is a sign of something [04:30]
decimation mike_c: it helps if you hit the "zoom in" on waterfall view [04:30]
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decimation mike_c: there's a guy talking on 7125 khz (set LSB mode) [04:32]
mike_c got him [04:33]
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mike_c pretty cool [04:33]
ben_vulpes << hue [04:33]
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decimation LZ2JE was his callsign, << makes him Bulgarian [04:34]
assbot International Call Sign Series [04:34]
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ben_vulpes Blazedout419: pretty pretty. [04:38]
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BingoBoingo Hello mbr9200 [04:38]
mbr9200 Hey, what's this channel mostly about? [04:39]
BingoBoingo mbr9200: Various Bitcoin things, paranoia, nekkid ladies [04:40]
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mbr9200 interesting [04:40]
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mbr9200 who is assbot? [04:40]
BingoBoingo Hello dpb_reddit [04:40]
BingoBoingo What brings you here [04:40]
decimation assbot is a robot that manages channel moderation [04:40]
mbr9200 ahh [04:40]
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-assbot- You voiced mbr9200 for another 30 minutes. [04:40]
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BingoBoingo mbr9200: Assbot is a bot, gifted to us by kakobrekla in his trememdous benevolence [04:40]
mbr9200 what is "!up" [04:41]
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BingoBoingo mbr9200: Up is what lends you voice in 30 minute intervals [04:41]
mircea_popescu gives you voice. [04:41]
mircea_popescu !down dpb_reddit [04:41]
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mircea_popescu nah he had enough earlier. [04:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That could have been a new one. [04:42]
kakobrekla its not same [04:42]
BingoBoingo Different person same name [04:42]
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mircea_popescu ow. [04:42]
kakobrekla have you been here before ? [04:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The url the sends them here names them [04:42]
mbr9200 Oh, cool. A cofounder and I came up with a very interesting altcoin idea. I wrote the white papers for it, got a web dev guy, just looking for a coin dev if anyone is able. I also appreciate the large number of people on this chat, good stuff. [04:43]
mircea_popescu this theory that redditards have like... different personalities. what do you people do in the intimacy of your own house, name goldfish ? [04:43]
mbr9200 i had a goldfish once, it jumped out of its bowl [04:43]
mircea_popescu mbr9200 the only guy here that made his own coin before would be thickasthieves. [04:43]
mbr9200 thanks! [04:43]
mircea_popescu ;;seen thickasthieves [04:44]
gribble thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: who uses a ripped condom tho? [04:44]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I drank with a toad I found in the back yard yesterday... [04:44]
mbr9200 Okay, thanks [04:44]
RagnarDanneskjol the deaf toad [04:44]
RagnarDanneskjol you know they got no ears [04:44]
ben_vulpes i met a guy today who's doing supercap batteries [04:44]
ben_vulpes but miniaturized, and gate-switched for power output. [04:45]
ben_vulpes er, power distribution i think may be the correct term? [04:45]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Apparently they can't hold their liquor either, he croaked... [04:45]
decimation ben_vulpes: are you referring to the kickstarter project for the supercap batteries? [04:45]
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ben_vulpes pahaha no. [04:45]
asciilifeform re: microwave blaster: raytheon's pumps out 95 GHz. --> ~3mm wavelength. don't have pinholes in the suit. [04:46]
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ben_vulpes decimation: [04:46]
assbot High-Performance Efficient Aircraft With GT4|Volta Volar [04:46]
RagnarDanneskjol @ mrb9200 - pls email me a job order to - I locate developers for this sort of thing. most of them are scoundrels & losers just fyi [04:46]
asciilifeform and use something conductive plus translucent for ocular. [04:46]
asciilifeform (what? say, indium. where to get any? easy - self-darkening welding mask.) [04:46]
ben_vulpes just bought [04:46]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah I suspect they use those suits for vhf/uhf tv and cellular, and even then they probably don't stand in front of live transmitter [04:47]
asciilifeform decimation: useless for this application. nothing broadcasts at 95 GHz [04:47]
TomServo [04:47]
assbot The Declaration Of Bitcoin's Independence - YouTube [04:47]
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assbot Ustream.Tv [04:47]
trixisowned chimpout [04:47]
TomServo haha, quite the cast [04:47]
trixisowned happening ^ [04:47]
trixisowned they getting teargasses [04:47]
trixisowned etc [04:47]
trixisowned teargassed* [04:47]
decimation yeah 95 GHz is golden toilet band [04:48]
decimation ben_vulpes: this plane uses said supercaps? [04:49]
ben_vulpes the plane exhibited has only been flown with lithiums. [04:49]
ben_vulpes dunno what supercap means [04:49]
ben_vulpes but the capacitative (sp?) plane should be doing demo flights ca. 2016. [04:49]
asciilifeform !s supercapacitor [04:49]
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asciilifeform demo flights ca. 2016 << nope. [04:50]
ben_vulpes non electrochemical [04:50]
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ben_vulpes well duh nope [04:50]
asciilifeform to paraphrase old saw, 'fly in it? i wouldn't walk under it' [04:50]
decimation I think the best supercaps are lithium chemistry [04:50]
trixisowned wtf [04:51]
trixisowned they are starting fires and shit [04:51]
asciilifeform fast charge - fast discharge. elementary. [04:51]
ben_vulpes plain old capacitative modules, fabbed into chips. [04:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeformкритика-и-самокритика/#comment-104692 << look at that, you've indirecly made a s. fan [04:51]
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asciilifeform lol! [04:51]
mircea_popescu re: microwave blaster: raytheon's pumps out 95 GHz. --> ~3mm wavelength. don't have pinholes in the suit. << it only works if continuous, for one. [04:52]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol can you locate one of these azn ipad developers making shitty games ? or is it like the spammers, by the time their handiwork is seen they're long married/drafted/gone [04:52]
asciilifeform trixisowned: that stream is hilarious [04:53]
trixisowned yes it is [04:53]
asciilifeform almost as good as the 'occupy dc' from way back [04:53]
trixisowned "this is your final warning!" [04:53]
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assbot Ustream.Tv [04:53]
trixisowned ahahaha [04:53]
trixisowned theres a building on fire [04:53]
trixisowned this is ridiculous [04:53]
BingoBoingo trixisowned: Say waht you will, but black America is probably that last "Real America" [04:55]
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RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - sure, those guys are dime a dozen. I can find almost any spec you throw at me - the more detailed & complex the better. Its kind of nice cause I work in a female dominated industry (HR) so I tend to gravitate all the jobs noone else can fill [04:57]
asciilifeform for non-usians: [04:58]
asciilifeform ever wonder why detroid looks like berlin circa '45 from the air? [04:58]
asciilifeform this is why. [04:58]
asciilifeform *detroit [04:58]
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trixisowned "protest" [04:59]
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asciilifeform why is that camera not flying on a toy chopper again? [05:02]
decimation I wonder if this will lead to a cleavage between the poor brown power base of the elites who run the inner party? [05:02]
trixisowned inb4 they cut out cell service [05:02]
decimation asciilifeform: the FAA ordered a "shutdown" of the airspace there: [05:03]
assbot 4/2599 NOTAM Details [05:03]
asciilifeform decimation: 'not caught - not thief' [05:03]
decimation yeah but streaming video on ustream isn't exactly hiding evidence... [05:04]
asciilifeform from comment stream: [05:04]
asciilifeform 'i can't fap to this' [05:04]
decimation plus I'm certain that sighting such a gadget flying around would be a pretext to crack down on something else [05:05]
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asciilifeform decimation: let them shoot 10,000 of them [05:05]
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asciilifeform (these police, on the other hand, will shoot no one. 'it would be racist' (tm) ) [05:06]
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asciilifeform [05:07]
assbot Long Range Acoustic Device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:07]
asciilifeform ^ the dish from before [05:07]
decimation yeah that must be high frequency chirps just heard [05:07]
trixisowned ... [05:08]
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assbot Live Streaming 2 | [05:08]
trixisowned watch this one [05:08]
trixisowned its way higher quality [05:08]
asciilifeform my favourite incarnation of this idea is the '80s french 7 Hz speaker [05:08]
trixisowned they are throwing fireworks [05:08]
trixisowned <- [05:08]
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asciilifeform everybody dumps his doughnuts, cops and rioters alike [05:08]
trixisowned holy fuck [05:08]
decimation asciilifeform: the brown note? [05:08]
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asciilifeform aye [05:08]
trixisowned [05:08]
trixisowned here [05:08]
trixisowned this one is working too [05:09]
asciilifeform the thing that always perplexed me about american 'revolts' is [05:09]
decimation looks like they've started to hand out free cs gas [05:09]
asciilifeform they always burn... their own streets. [05:09]
trixisowned wow [05:09]
trixisowned wtf [05:09]
trixisowned they are firing on the houses [05:09]
trixisowned wtf [05:09]
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assbot Washington Post, Huffington Post reporters say they were arrested while covering Ferguson protests : News [05:10]
BingoBoingo they always burn... their own streets. << The one thing "Occupy" seemed to make an earnest effort to correct [05:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: except that it was a theatrical production of the collegiate muppet class [05:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yeah, they were light on the burning and trashing [05:11]
trixisowned this one is the best stream [05:11]
assbot I am Mike Brown Live from Ferguson, MO on Livestream [05:11]
asciilifeform heavy on the marx and engels [05:12]
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asciilifeform we'll know it's a real holiday when the radio jammers kick in. [05:14]
decimation this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest [05:14]
BingoBoingo heavy on the marx and engels << their names, but not ideas in any informed way, walked into local encampement at the time, no one wanted to debate hegel [05:15]
decimation BingoBoingo: that would be amusing to watch (hegel debate) "Hegel who?" [05:15]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i actually tried to talk to the occupy folks, purely for own amusement, on several occasions [05:16]
BingoBoingo decimation: Local at the time "Occupy" camp was on the way back to my apartment walking from place that served 44 oz booze slushies [05:16]
asciilifeform typical: me - 'what do you stand for ?' - 'we will build an utopia!' [literal. followed by 20 min. of i-forget-what] [05:17]
BingoBoingo Wasn't the worst place to pick up girls from though [05:17]
asciilifeform there were crackpots handing out self-printed books, etc [05:17]
asciilifeform i have 30GB or so of video, mostly a snore [05:18]
asciilifeform 'occupy' - sucked [05:18]
trixisowned [05:18]
decimation yeah the wto protests about 10 years ago in DC were more lively [05:18]
BingoBoingo Once I even held a sign on the street corner for a while said "RUF is for the People" and none of the other people had a concrete idea of what RUF was or where they operated... [05:18]
BingoBoingo Maybe I should have brought a machete to demonstrate? [05:19]
asciilifeform all the big d.c. protests are theatrical productions [05:19]
asciilifeform of approximately the same people [05:19]
asciilifeform (quite often, literally the same.) [05:20]
BingoBoingo heavy on the marx and engels [05:20]
BingoBoingo [05:20]
assbot Revolutionary United Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:20]
asciilifeform they even bring the same props (e.g. a gigantic green papier machet muppet) to every one [05:20]
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BingoBoingo Local one there was... A tent [05:20]
decimation and your anti-nsa bus or whatever [05:20]
asciilifeform decimation: that one, if its inhabitant is to be believed, can be found near the museum of natural history every monday night. [05:21]
decimation there's also the bum who protests something nuclear camped in front of the white house [05:21]
asciilifeform i thought he died this year [05:21]
decimation since DC is run by aging hippies, that's how they like it [05:21]
asciilifeform his... 32st? [05:21]
decimation I haven't been around in awhile, could be the case [05:22]
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assbot /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash RT /DonGallowayKSDK: Trapped in news car, flash bombs, tear gas everywhere.. [05:22]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol aite ima work something out. [05:24]
decimation this Ferguson thing is trying to be a theater but no one knows the script [05:25]
RagnarDanneskjol ok [05:25]
RagnarDanneskjol speaking of - I've been on that Jason guy to commit to timeframe - sounds wishywashy so I'm gonna find a few backups and just send them the log so you dont have to repeat everything [05:26]
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assbot Gotta love that negro speak pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:27]
BingoBoingo "The entrepreneurial spirit is not dead. For it ain’t ever dyin’, that’s why. And also fuck you, Mr. Obama, because if he paints that forest he motherfucking made that forest. (If he eats those pizzas he even more fucking definitely made that forest. It needs dung you know ?)" [05:29]
BingoBoingo ^ Quote from the most underrated English Trilema article [05:29]
BingoBoingo "Not everyone’s an entrepreneur, either. Some kids, poor kids, “urban” kids are scholars, in nucet. They may not have my rare and expensive equipment, sure. But whether the BBC does manage to agree that climate pseudo-science should be promoted as “the only alternative” or not, my hopes rest with a bunch of inner city negroes. No matter what, these kids will still carry through the world the ability to reason, and that [05:30]
BingoBoingo ’s quite good enough for me. Fuck the instruments, as great as they are : they’ll make their own, and it’ll be the same anyway, because there’s exactly one way to make a great piece of lab equipment. The alternatives are only there to confound the issues. See, teh BBC got it right after all >D" [05:30]
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mircea_popescu wow wtf they are firing on the houses << lol famous last words [05:33]
mircea_popescu this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest. [05:34]
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mircea_popescu 'occupy' - sucked << that's because they don;'t know how to protest. [05:35]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest. << Vexual seems to [05:35]
mircea_popescu ;;google cum se protesteaza corect [05:35]
gribble Ianuarie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Iunie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Asociatia Pro Democratia | Facebook: [05:35]
mircea_popescu << nudity required for protest to count. [05:36]
assbot Cum se protesteaza corect pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:36]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o hey, i was reading the quotes and went who the fuck is this, scary smart. [05:38]
mircea_popescu then i saw the link. go me. [05:38]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: lol, there's a read between the lines situation in posting those now [05:38]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell nubbins' fap to this [05:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:43]
assbot The SEC's anti-modern logo evokes Southern tradition, authenticity. [05:43]
BingoBoingo [05:45]
assbot Twitter / mattdpearce: I just called Ferguson police ... [05:45]
BingoBoingo I just called Ferguson police chief to ask about @WesleyLowery and @ryanjreilly, told him what I knew. His response: "Oh, God." [05:45]
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assbot Twitter / john_dingell: Staff has now informed me of ... [05:47]
BingoBoingo John Dingell ✔ @john_dingell [05:47]
BingoBoingo Follow [05:47]
BingoBoingo Staff has now informed me of what a Kardashian is. I'm only left with more questions. [05:47]
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BingoBoingo Hello dpb_reddit [05:52]
BingoBoingo What brings you here today dpb_reddit? [05:52]
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dpb_reddit dreamstring [05:52]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: It's cool you have voice now. What is dreamstring? [05:53]
dpb_reddit Oh my bad! [05:53]
dpb_reddit thanks! [05:53]
dpb_reddit How would I go about changing my nick/signing up? [05:53]
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assbot Post's Lowery detained in Ferguson - The Washington Post [05:55]
trixisowned omfg [05:55]
RagnarDanneskjol @ dpb_reddit [05:56]
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dpb_reddit ty ragnar doing that now [05:57]
kakobrekla and dont register 'dpb_reddit' [05:57]
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dpb_reddit ofc not haha [05:58]
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BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: Which post in particular brought you here? [06:01]
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assbot [HIRING] Developers for Serious Bitcoin Startup : Jobs4Bitcoins [06:01]
dpb_reddit this one here [06:01]
dpb_reddit only cause i am starting my own bitcoin related company [06:01]
dpb_reddit looking for devs to move through seed round [06:01]
BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: At least you haven't wished "Best candida" on us yet like one of your predecessors with that name did. [06:02]
dpb_reddit that is only slightly terrfiying [06:02]
BingoBoingo Sounds incredibly itchy [06:04]
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BingoBoingo dpb_reddit: Well, since someone linked you instructions... [06:05]
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assbot Police use tear gas to break up Ferguson crowd [06:06]
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BingoBoingo Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas. [06:08]
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trixisowned [06:12]
trixisowned wtf [06:13]
trixisowned some guy just speed through [06:13]
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trixisowned and was honking his horn [06:13]
trixisowned wtf [06:13]
trixisowned ahahaha [06:14]
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trixisowned oops [06:14]
trixisowned sorry dudes wrong channel [06:14]
decimation I would like to know how the democratic police think that distributing cs gas randomly around the town is going to effective at accomplishing anything [06:16]
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trixisowned The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming [06:17]
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dreamstring appreciated bingo! [06:27]
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assbot Al-Jazeera runs from teargas in Ferguson - YouTube [06:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1185 @ 0.0006328 = 0.7499 BTC [-] {2} [06:31]
trixisowned holy fuck [06:31]
dreamstring While I have a voice, I'd like to put out for any developers interested in a possible position in a start up based around creating a mobile mining oriented cryptocurrency. The company is the Dreamstring platform, aiming to create a crypto that distributes supply and time using the fibonacci, as well as creating an equal distribution to each cellular phone user to download the mobile application. [06:32]
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dreamstring The app aims to distribute the currency to each person to download the free app equally, as well as offer different teirs/levels of accounts for shopping, buying/selling, and trading goods and services. [06:33]
BingoBoingo dreamstring: See [06:33]
BingoBoingo Lower left corner [06:33]
dreamstring oh no [06:33]
dreamstring im getting trolled arent i. [06:33]
BingoBoingo dreamstring: nah, the red stuff is whale shit, not menstral painting [06:35]
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dreamstring damn man im all about that shark week but idk what this is getting at [06:36]
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BingoBoingo dreamstring: Well, what makes "mobile mining" special and desirable? [06:38]
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dreamstring Nothing besides the fact that by using a PoW/PoS hybrid you can group people into different teir groups based on their cell phones to make sure everyone is getting the same distribution of the currency. [06:39]
dreamstring in theory the hashrate doesnt mean anything besides securing from a 51% and determining who contributed what amount of work [06:39]
BingoBoingo And what does that offer anyone who has money that could give such a currency value? [06:39]
dreamstring but that still ads to the rich get richer kinda aspect bitcoin is fighting against [06:39]
dreamstring a deflationary currency [06:39]
dreamstring and a global decentralized trading platform on every phone through a centralized security outlet [06:40]
dreamstring it creates a whole new market really [06:41]
dreamstring introduce peolpe in india/kenya/africa that use MPESA rn [06:41]
BingoBoingo but that still ads to the rich get richer kinda aspect bitcoin is fighting against << Who said this is a part of Bitcoin, Bitcoin fights the stupid getting richer... [06:41]
dreamstring to an even market with people in the US [06:41]
dreamstring my bad poor wording [06:42]
dreamstring in the sense that those with money can afford more asics can afford to make more [06:42]
dreamstring expotential profit [06:42]
dreamstring this allows everyone to start off on an even note [06:42]
dreamstring and then based on how you use your money that you are distributed, well the smart use it well/open their own stores on the market, the poor just get paid for having a phone [06:43]
BingoBoingo What about people with money who don't want "smart" phones? [06:43]
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BingoBoingo And what about people who make VM farms spoofing millions of "mobile devices?" [06:43]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe you were right about voicing the reddit referrals... [06:44]
kakobrekla !up dreamstring [06:44]
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kakobrekla are you here to learn? [06:45]
dreamstring people who dont want smart phones are living in the past, why should the btc community care about them anyway, and the VM farming i already created a verifciation system that needs a hardware id and device verification to use [06:45]
dreamstring ty kakbo [06:45]
kakobrekla answer the q? [06:45]
dreamstring im not trying to argue, i think i have a very valid plan of attack [06:45]
dreamstring and was there something i left unanswered? [06:45]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla> are you here to learn? << This dreamstring [06:46]
kakobrekla myea [06:46]
dreamstring the reality is everyone has a smart phone, thats how the gov wants it. well use that and give everyone a smart phone a new start to a currency connected to everyone with a smart phone... which is everyone in the world. [06:46]
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kakobrekla go dream away. [06:47]
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BingoBoingo the reality is everyone has a smart phone, thats how the gov wants it. well use that and give everyone a smart phone a new start to a currency connected to everyone with a smart phone... which is everyone in the world. << I haven't had one in years [06:47]
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BingoBoingo umad << Why would I be mad? [06:48]
kakobrekla up him if you intend to have a convo btw. [06:48]
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BingoBoingo kakobrekla: I tried but he seemed more interested in polishing bullet points. [06:49]
kakobrekla i guess the real question is - they have a logo yet? [06:50]
BingoBoingo ;;google dreamstrings [06:50]
gribble Requiem for a Dream (Strings) - YouTube: ; "Angels Watch Us While We're Sleeping-A Dream"...strings, choral ...: ; Kalafina - I have a dream(strings version) - YouTube: [06:50]
BingoBoingo ;;google dreamstrings mobile mined shitcoin [06:50]
gribble No matches found. [06:50]
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mike_c did somebody hang a sign somewhere saying b-a is looking for work? [06:53]
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kakobrekla heh [06:54]
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BingoBoingo ;;google theymos scammer tag [07:01]
gribble [CLOSED] GLBSE drama - Bitcoin Forum: ; Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - Trilema: ; AMA Request: The most powerful man in bitcoin, Theymos. | The ...: [07:01]
TheNewDeal oooo this looks good [07:02]
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BingoBoingo %t [07:04]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 152k High: 195 Low: 188 VWAP: 192 [07:04]
BingoBoingo %d [07:05]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 186726.40 in 1990 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.06 [07:05]
BingoBoingo !up dreamstring [07:06]
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dreamstring Alright im ready to have my ass handed to me [07:06]
dreamstring im on the defense on you shooting down the altcoin [07:07]
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BingoBoingo dreamstring: Just admit you were woefully under prepared and you are gong to actually read. [07:07]
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dreamstring Oh that was a sad sad attempt at what I thought would be a two second plug [07:08]
dreamstring I'll be much more willing to discuss the details of what i have planned once i know how this place operates though, thanks. [07:09]
BingoBoingo dreamstring: I'm kind of expecting that if you read you can have a few thousand words on why it was broken [07:11]
BingoBoingo !s ATC [07:11]
assbot 924 results for 'ATC' : [07:11]
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dreamstring Just through the logs bash? [07:12]
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BingoBoingo ;;topic [07:12]
gribble || || || [07:12]
BingoBoingo dreamstring: blogs and bash are a quicker primer, logs take a while [07:12]
BingoBoingo !s litecoin experiment [07:13]
assbot 1 results for 'litecoin experiment' : [07:13]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas. <<< candida, actually :D [07:15]
dreamstring word, thanks for the reads. Im gonna cash out for the night while i delve into some of theses. thanks guys. [07:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: lol [07:16]
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mircea_popescu << 162 confirmed bets. a rrrrrrecord. [07:20]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`100 (100`000 to 1) [07:20]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Which part is the record in this case? [07:26]
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mike_c ;;calc (199609 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6 [07:29]
gribble 56.5377200974 [07:29]
mike_c woohoo warren. running like a man in his 70's. [07:29]
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mircea_popescu !up laurita [07:29]
-assbot- You voiced laurita for 30 minutes. [07:29]
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mircea_popescu mike_c got a solid 20% there. [07:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo iirc it was like 87 or so [07:29]
mike_c he's killing it. we'll see if he can keep it up. [07:30]
mircea_popescu he was underwater by abou 10% at some point there [07:30]
mike_c he hadn't heard about the bet yet [07:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, remember all the knowitalls that explained how unfair a bet it was, right then ? because OBIVOUSLY etc. [07:31]
mike_c ^ the story of all interesting bitbets [07:31]
mircea_popescu peepz just got this irresistible impulse to believe they know shit. [07:31]
mircea_popescu a btw mike_c : [07:32]
assbot PetaMeta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:32]
mike_c I saw :) i disagree with a couple points, but a counter-rebuttal.. too meta [07:32]
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TheNewDeal this thread is goldem [07:36]
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mike_c mencken has some interesting quotes, doesn't he. [07:36]
TheNewDeal love how many dumbasses / psuedonyms thermos exposed to back himself [07:37]
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mike_c lol fluffypony. you don't get to accept! assbot rates who assbot wants. [07:38]
BingoBoingo ;;seen penguirker [07:38]
gribble penguirker was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: New blog post: [07:38]
BingoBoingo [07:39]
assbot Record Large Public Bitcoin Bet Reached | Bingo Blog [07:39]
mike_c i was too lazy to look. did anybody get kicked out of assbot L1? [07:39]
BingoBoingo mike_c: dexx7, danielpbarron, checkdavid [07:40]
mike_c ah. 30 people right now. i wonder what the right # is. [07:41]
BingoBoingo Prolly between 2 and 78 [07:42]
penguirker New blog post: [07:42]
BingoBoingo 150 would definitely be too many [07:42]
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TheNewDeal bitcoin is not against rich getting richer [08:14]
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BingoBoingo Alderman arrested in Ferguson [08:39]
assbot Tef Poe/FootKlan (TefPoe) auf Twitter [08:39]
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ben_vulpes make a connection. << does objective-c whatever, provided you're willing to pay fiat objective-c rates for people who actually know what they're doing. [08:54]
assbot Survant James - Design & Engineering [08:54]
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FabianB $mpexstatus [08:58]
empyex FabianB: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [08:58]
empyex FabianB: MPEx-Status: (884 milliseconds), (1177 milliseconds), (error), (787 milliseconds), (929 milliseconds) [08:58]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nope. i'm willing to pay a pittance to take over code already written and not making a penny. [09:44]
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mircea_popescu Prolly between 2 and 78 << hopefully 200ish [09:50]
BingoBoingo In time [09:51]
BingoBoingo Oh, I went from having under 10k Meat in merchandise in my mall store to... [09:56]
BingoBoingo Approaching 50% of danielpbarron's marketcap for his BTC/MEAT asset in just shit from years ago [09:57]
danielpbarron :O [09:59]
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RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - I have my bot dev on the other line - he is reading the logs right now. This guy runs the bot for my room. lemme know if you're around to chat it up w/ him [10:35]
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RagnarDanneskjol thats him [10:36]
RagnarDanneskjol dunno if he's around Molo, hang in for a bit [10:36]
BingoBoingo !up MolokoDeck [10:37]
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RagnarDanneskjol oh yea [10:37]
MolokoDeck hello, ragnar [10:37]
RagnarDanneskjol ahoy [10:37]
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MolokoDeck so, I'm still reviewing the bitcoin-assets log related to a bot project involving posting and cryptosigning cryptodocuments.. or something to that effect. [10:38]
MolokoDeck ok. so it handles both pre-encrypted and plaintext documents. [10:40]
MolokoDeck authentication test from a single-point trusted registry. [10:41]
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MolokoDeck insertion of validation hash onto the bitcoin block chain with a transaction: requires use of the bitcoind API or connection to the bitcoin mining network. [10:42]
BigBitz mircea_popescu I like LastPass, actually :) [10:42]
MolokoDeck also requires the bot to have a wallet. [10:43]
RagnarDanneskjol nothing to do with inserting hash to bitcoin [10:43]
MolokoDeck am I reading the same thing you are? [10:43]
RagnarDanneskjol and not necessarily running bitcoind / wallet. i will let mircea elaborate [10:43]
RagnarDanneskjol yes [10:43]
MolokoDeck "2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain." [10:43]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol more or less. [10:44]
mircea_popescu MolokoDeck hey there. [10:44]
MolokoDeck only the validating hash goes on the blockchain, not the entire block of documents, I take it? [10:44]
MolokoDeck hello. [10:44]
mircea_popescu yes, only the hash. [10:44]
MolokoDeck the bot has to buffer state and monitor for validations, which could take tens of minutes, then inform the irc channel, and update the central web logs for public notice. [10:45]
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BigBitz mircea_popescu you're trying to create some new bot? what purpose? [10:46]
mircea_popescu tis in teh logs. [10:46]
MolokoDeck automated contract notarization I would think. [10:46]
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mircea_popescu MolokoDeck validations of what ? [10:46]
MolokoDeck or something entirely general purpose. [10:47]
BigBitz mircea_popescu you know I am lazy. :( [10:47]
RagnarDanneskjol bigbitz [10:47]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [10:47]
BigBitz thanks RagnarDanneskjol. [10:47]
MolokoDeck the block of documents gets cryptosigned with a hash of the documents inside. That hash gets sent to the blockchain. The other validation (initial validation) is of the cryptosignature on each document. The documents have to be legit before they go into the bundle that get's logged and recorded permenently as a hash on the blockchain. [10:48]
MolokoDeck so I overloade the term "validate". [10:48]
MolokoDeck overloaded. [10:48]
MolokoDeck the blockchain is being used to make an immutable public record of the authenticating hash of the document bundle being published. [10:49]
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MolokoDeck since the hash is inserted as a comment in the blockchain, I think one might be able to create bogus blocks that have the same has by inserting a salt and mining a single hash here. [10:50]
MolokoDeck lemme think about that. [10:51]
MolokoDeck you can't change the hash, but you could make any block match the hash, possibly, if you had enough mining time. [10:51]
BigBitz Negative. [10:52]
MolokoDeck it wouldn't be on the central trusted registry though, but that may not be entirely secure. or someone would have to check an document the recieved by another channel against the central registry or website. [10:52]
BigBitz the nonce, at best, you could influence. [10:52]
MolokoDeck ok. am I clueless? [10:52]
BigBitz the block hash you cannot influence (AFAIK) [10:53]
MolokoDeck right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash. [10:53]
BigBitz heh, I may be clueless, but I don't think a miner can influence the hash value of the clock. [10:53]
MolokoDeck oh nevermind. It would have to match the ENTIRE hash. megayears. ok. i get it. [10:53]
BigBitz err block. [10:53]
BigBitz Yup - correct. [10:53]
BigBitz If they had some quantums, maybe :P [10:53]
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MolokoDeck I'm not sure there's a quantum algorith for SHA256 that's particularly leveraged, but there are supposedly turing-complete quantum gate computers that could accellerate that. Let's not go into that. [10:54]
MolokoDeck those don't exist yet at any meaningful scale. [10:54]
BingoBoingo lol, There was an optical computing conversation this week... [10:55]
MolokoDeck whatever happened to that optical matrix multiplcation chip? [10:55]
MolokoDeck ok. getting distracted. [10:55]
BigBitz :) [10:55]
MolokoDeck hi. [10:55]
BigBitz hey. [10:55]
BigBitz I just you. [10:56]
BigBitz and this is crazy. [10:56]
BigBitz but here's my number. [10:56]
BigBitz so call me maybe? [10:56]
mircea_popescu right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash. << the nonce isn't actually large enough [10:57]
BingoBoingo I just met you, this is crazy. Here's my weiner. So blow me baby. [10:57]
MolokoDeck doable in php or python. php has a fairly bad reputation in cryptocurrency lately. And in computer science for different reasons (you can't predict the outcome of certain operations). [10:57]
mircea_popescu you'd need a nonce as large as the keyspace of the hash [10:57]
MolokoDeck also in php one would either have to use a package or use system calls to do the encryption. [10:57]
MolokoDeck I've done it that way. [10:57]
MolokoDeck I was wondering about that. I'm not clear on how much influence a nonce has on hash outcomes. so that explains that question. [10:58]
BigBitz none is only 32 bit field. [10:58]
BigBitz nonce. man. my typing is getting bad in my older years. [10:59]
MolokoDeck I was considering just adding an arbirary number of bits to the bogus message. [10:59]
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MolokoDeck anyway, I think you've settled my question about the feasibility/non-feasibility of spoofing a single hash. [11:00]
MolokoDeck the security of the bot sending something via bitcoin api ... still thinking about that. [11:01]
MolokoDeck is this for everyone in the world to use, or only for a select community of presumable trusted parties? [11:02]
MolokoDeck obviously they'd have to be registered with wot. [11:02]
RagnarDanneskjol or just each other [11:02]
BingoBoingo MolokoDeck: If you have a good source of entropy for nonces, electrum has a nice CLI, this thing prolly ought to be connected to a private electrum server though if going for that over bitcoind [11:02]
MolokoDeck looking at a case where anyone can put a hash on the blockchain and present a document block with that hash. [11:02]
mircea_popescu MolokoDeck to validate a hash has to be signed by someone in assbot's l2 [11:03]
mircea_popescu meh,. a message not a hash [11:04]
MolokoDeck sure, a non-mining/non-blockchain-manitaining client. [11:05]
MolokoDeck typos. [11:05]
RagnarDanneskjol reading for later: - vhost exploits, sorry pdf only [11:06]
MolokoDeck ok. not sure what my timeframe to completion on this would be presuming I would be doing it. My development resources are limited right now (one virtual host) [11:06]
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RagnarDanneskjol I got server space coming outta my ears [11:07]
RagnarDanneskjol all those half finished projects [11:07]
MolokoDeck ok. that's solved. [11:07]
MolokoDeck heh. I know the feeling. [11:07]
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RagnarDanneskjol !up MolokoDeck [11:08]
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mircea_popescu MolokoDeck there's no rush. [11:09]
mircea_popescu and yeah, we have ~ one trillion boxes. [11:09]
MolokoDeck ok. my feeling about it now is doable. timescale more than a few weeks, adjustment of code until everyone's satsified, then some committment to maintain or modify it if desirable. [11:10]
[]bot Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,617. [11:10]
MolokoDeck let me look into it. [11:10]
BigBitz which market does that use, mircea_popescu? [11:10]
BigBitz as Bitfinex hit sub 500. [11:10]
BigBitz Ah uses Bitstamp. [11:10]
* BigBitz stops being lazy and looks. [11:11]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [11:11]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 509.91, Best ask: 509.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 510.0, 24 hour volume: 29402.57027823, 24 hour low: 508.12, 24 hour high: 562.04, 24 hour vwap: 538.760662926 [11:11]
RagnarDanneskjol Molo, please try to work on it some this weekend... I am actively recruiting until it gets done- first to finish line wins [11:11]
MolokoDeck testing the bottom at 480-whatever seems reasonable. [11:11]
mircea_popescu BigBitz nfi. [11:11]
RagnarDanneskjol ;;rate MolokoDeck 2 bot wizard, smart alec [11:11]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [11:11]
MolokoDeck ok, I'm not a big fan of races and bounties, but understood. [11:11]
RagnarDanneskjol doof [11:11]
BigBitz :_ [11:12]
MolokoDeck you should keep looking. [11:12]
mircea_popescu srsly, it's not a huge rush, it's been waiting for the proper maker/maintainer for monthgs,. [11:12]
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MolokoDeck I'll stay in touch with ragnar about this. [11:13]
RagnarDanneskjol gratzi, love ye man [11:13]
BingoBoingo [11:13]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`052 (100`000 to 1) [11:13]
mircea_popescu if anyone cares, ultima forever is closing august 29th. [11:15]
assbot Important Sunset Announcement [11:15]
mircea_popescu 14 months is what a forever takes these days [11:17]
RagnarDanneskjol heh [11:17]
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cazalla was it any good? [11:19]
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RagnarDanneskjol thats what she said [11:21]
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RagnarDanneskjol please consider whatever trojan horsery might be hiding is pdf from this source. looks safe to be, but what do I know [11:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28051001 = 0.561 BTC [+] [11:25]
mircea_popescu ultima ? well... like a ultima i imagine., [11:25]
cazalla so pk fest [11:25]
mircea_popescu [11:26]
BingoBoingo [11:36]
assbot Alleged phone thief calls 911 because victim wont leave her alone | Ars Technica [11:36]
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RagnarDanneskjol taken to King County Jail for investigation of robbery as well as for allegedly possessing three grams of crack [11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol makes sense now [11:37]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,569. [11:54]
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RagnarDanneskjol btc @ 499 on btce, good times [11:59]
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wyrdmantis ;;last [12:02]
gribble [04:59:08] btc @ 499 on btce, good times [12:02]
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wyrdmantis ;;ticker [12:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.26, Best ask: 511.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 511.8, 24 hour volume: 30566.58153234, 24 hour low: 506.66, 24 hour high: 558.0, 24 hour vwap: 537.336702671 [12:05]
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wyrdmantis [12:06]
assbot Creating The Largest, Highest-Density Bitcoin Community In The World [12:06]
wyrdmantis wow such marketing [12:06]
RagnarDanneskjol sounds uncomfortable, like this: [12:11]
RagnarDanneskjol hadn't seen this one before: [12:13]
assbot bitcoin-beauties- [12:13]
[]bot Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 81(Y):19(N) by coin, 78(Y):22(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.5979 BTC. Current weight: 72,548. [12:13]
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xmj [12:15]
assbot Neue BIP-Berechnung: Guten Morgen, wir sind reicher! - Konjunktur - Politik - Handelsblatt [12:15]
mircea_popescu looking into the source page... lol. [12:15]
xmj this is how you make yourself EUR 80 bln richer, overnight: just include black market transactions in government GDP. [12:15]
RagnarDanneskjol rough looking chicks in there [12:15]
xmj meh [12:17]
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pankkake [12:51]
assbot Schneier on Security: New Snowden Interview in Wired [12:51]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1.14323086 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.13927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,380. [14:45]
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chetty Goooood Morning B-A [14:56]
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RagnarDanneskjol howdy [15:00]
pankkake !up drawingthesun [15:00]
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pankkake !up CoalPowerGorilla [15:00]
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jurov afternoon [15:01]
jurov almost every time i do something with hardware, there is blood [15:01]
jurov yuck [15:01]
pankkake :o never got to that point, though I often hurt [15:02]
drawingthesun Hey [15:02]
RagnarDanneskjol I'm on the other end, everytime I do something with software, there is blood and gnashing of teeth [15:04]
jurov literal blood? [15:05]
RagnarDanneskjol sometimes [15:06]
RagnarDanneskjol fists against monitor and such [15:06]
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jurov unless you still use CRTs you must be pretty feeble creatures [15:09]
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RagnarDanneskjol Yes, I still rock a CRT 2nd screen for nostalgia & to help accelerate global warming [15:12]
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Duffer1 appendectomy [15:23]
Duffer1 stomach is a basketball [15:23]
Duffer1 it's good to be home [15:23]
chetty Duffer1, ouch, wb, get well [15:25]
Duffer1 oh thanks chetty :) [15:25]
chetty !up wyrdmantis [15:26]
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wyrdmantis thanks chetty, i can voice myself now [15:27]
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chetty cool, grats wyrdmantis [15:29]
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wyrdmantis ;;seen punkman [15:34]
gribble punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: you wash some of your own btc, jerk some puppets, the muppets won't be able to resist [15:34]
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wywialm hi [15:50]
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wyrdmantis hi wywialm [15:51]
wywialm hi wyrdmantis [15:52]
wyrdmantis ;;gettrust wyrdmantis [15:53]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!570281e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user wyrdmantis to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014 [15:53]
pankkake [15:57]
assbot Short Term Update: genuine crash at bitfinex or an orchestrated manipulation? | Bitcoin Trading Signals [15:57]
wyrdmantis so this bitcoin empire we must obey :) [15:58]
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wyrdmantis "I see manipulation" <<<--- seems legit [16:01]
wyrdmantis seems that i have to learn doing something useful for the WoT. I think what i know is not enough. I'm thinking to open a blog in Italian about my first steps in b-a, so people in italy can understand what is happening. Do you think it's a good idea? [16:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1158 @ 0.00175135 = 2.0281 BTC [-] {7} [16:22]
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chetty blogs are always a good idea [16:28]
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mircea_popescu wyrdmantis well, maybe, but if them people don't speak english they'll have a hard time understanding. [16:30]
mircea_popescu Enky doesn't that look suspiciously like ? [16:31]
assbot, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:31]
wyrdmantis mircea_popescu yeah it will be just a translation service [16:33]
mircea_popescu Io parlo italiano :) [16:34]
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wyrdmantis mircea_popescu pizza spaghetti & mandolino! [16:40]
mircea_popescu no, en serio. [16:41]
wyrdmantis ottimo allora mi capisci :) [16:42]
mircea_popescu si. [16:42]
wyrdmantis ma non abiti in italia, vero? [16:43]
mircea_popescu ora in argentina. [16:43]
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BingoBoingo %t [23:44]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [23:44]
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mircea_popescu 0 volume ? fo reals ? [23:45]
BingoBoingo %d [23:45]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01 [23:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Looks like the not unknown post dump standoff [23:46]
mircea_popescu so retarded lol [23:46]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,diff [23:47]
gribble Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. [23:47]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [23:48]
gribble Current Blocks: 315642 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23610240555.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.66885 [23:48]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 25/19729645940.577133 * 1878190.93 [23:48]
gribble 0.00237990957321 [23:48]
mircea_popescu is it 512 atcs per block ? [23:49]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00237990957321 / 512 [23:49]
gribble 4.64826088518e-06 [23:49]
BingoBoingo Yeah 512 per block [23:49]
BingoBoingo %t [23:49]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [23:49]
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BingoBoingo %d [23:49]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01 [23:49]
BingoBoingo %p [23:49]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1613.00 GH/s [23:49]
mircea_popescu so 0.00000464 or 464 satoshi per atc at current diff, 46 satoshi per atc at next diff. [23:50]
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BingoBoingo It's amazing really that the stuff trades in the middle of those two extremes [23:51]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:51]
pete_dushenski,36697/ [23:51]
BingoBoingo [23:51]
assbot Tips For Being An Unarmed Black Teen | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [23:51]
assbot A travel agent just gave me back my money and said that he didnt feel comfortable with booking my flight. No federal interference here! [23:51]
pete_dushenski "Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black" [23:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo tell him it's probably someone who had invested in his failed keiser-led kickstarter clone thing. [23:53]
mircea_popescu "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it." [23:53]
BingoBoingo lol, I'll let him wonder. Some lessons sting more with a few years of hindsight. [23:54]
mircea_popescu good to have for when he finally capitulates, 2020 or w/e. [23:55]
mircea_popescu ima just go !s "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it." and all the greybeards will chuckle privately. [23:55]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [23:56]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [23:56]
mircea_popescu que "i'm such a jerk, and history coming to bite one in the ass is so unfair, and what sort of usg democracy is this where responsibility exists!!1" [23:57]
mircea_popescu they were promised irresponsibility without consequence and a shot at megaupside, DANG IT!!!! [23:57]
mircea_popescu free lottery tickets and billion dolar jackpots, that's what the american dream is all about! [23:58]
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