Forum logs for 12 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
diametric http://securelist.com/analysis/publications/67483/stuxnet-zero-victims/ [00:01]
assbot Stuxnet: Zero Victims - Securelist [00:01]
cazalla ddos back or something? [00:02]
mircea_popescu looking. [00:03]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:03]
mircea_popescu there's something afoot with the dns service worldwide tho [00:03]
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mircea_popescu a they found the domains huh. [00:05]
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asciilifeform stuxnet << as i described in my article 'don't blame the mice' - imho, iran doesn't really want to live. how we know this? if they wanted to live, there would have been a public impalement of whoever said 'everyone runs winblows, it's ok for us to' [00:07]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the only thing ever in deficit in the world is the working brain and the erect penis. [00:07]
mircea_popescu everything else is forever abundant. and so... they may well wish to live [00:08]
mircea_popescu but who among trhem can think ? [00:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can't say that i agree. they're cheap as dust. but very far, typically, from the 'levers of power' [00:08]
mircea_popescu maybe our definitions of working differ. [00:08]
undata this topic might help me understand something, if someone wishes to explain [00:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: e.g., i like to imagine that i had 'working brain', yet here i am 'on mars', far away. [00:09]
undata Iran to me is a great example of why strict authoritarian systems do not work [00:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is the engine spinning on the test bed a working engine or not ? [00:09]
undata but to ask a different question, how do we end up with authorities who are rational? [00:10]
mircea_popescu till you get your wheels on you're just a prototype. a good one, sure, but... [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: test bed << if the proper kind, with simulated loads - aye [00:10]
mircea_popescu undata wot ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't agree. it doesn't do any work. [00:10]
asciilifeform iran authoritarian << poor country, and, afaik, run by populistic idiots generously helped by foreign wreckers from half the globe [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a much larger issue there. iran is mostly ethnially persian. the leadership, ethnically arab. on their own, the arabs are usually poor. therefore they depend on govt dole. [00:11]
asciilifeform doesn't do any work << usually folks ask 'if x works' with the understanding that x may be on a shelf, in a crate, has not been used in anger yet [00:11]
mircea_popescu exactly manchuko scenario replaying itself. [00:12]
mircea_popescu what used to be fearless warriors are now blind old dependants. [00:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't disagree the brain works. im just saying, it's not working till it does work. [00:12]
asciilifeform manchuko << interesting and explains things [00:12]
mircea_popescu otherwise endlessly spinning the "simulated loads" of bezzle is a great way to keep a great engine away from the road. [00:13]
undata mircea_popescu: my question is how a parasitic overclass is avoided if one is to believe in soverignty and aristocracy? [00:13]
mircea_popescu what's your definition of "parasitic" ? [00:13]
mircea_popescu manking lives off the soil. [00:13]
mircea_popescu mankind* [00:13]
undata mircea_popescu: one that eventually wears out the thing underneath, leading to collapse [00:14]
undata maybe that's just the nature of it [00:14]
undata I'm not convinced I'm asking the right question. [00:14]
mircea_popescu listen, until you start doing your own photosinthesis, you can be accused of being "parasitic" [00:14]
mircea_popescu it's like accusing someone of us "rape". do they have a penis ? well.... [00:14]
undata sure, but there's a question of degree there [00:14]
mircea_popescu yeah, and that question is called politics. [00:14]
mircea_popescu the apportioning of penance among the universally guilty humans, the temproal role of the church, [00:14]
mircea_popescu the first central government [00:15]
undata so the answer in Iran's case is "because an adjacent sovereign is not fit enough to destroy them?" [00:15]
mircea_popescu they're just lazy and stupid. [00:15]
mircea_popescu could also say "they're letting the women lead much to their detriment" [00:15]
mircea_popescu middle easterners have this problem. [00:16]
mod6 asciilifeform: are you the author of these patches? : rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz https-snipsnip.tar.gz turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz goodbye-win32.tar.gz ? [00:22]
asciilifeform mod6: yes [00:23]
diametric https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/starttls-downgrade-attacks [00:23]
assbot ISPs Removing Their Customers' Email Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation [00:23]
asciilifeform mod6: except the 1st [00:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 shouldn't you be able to tell ? [00:23]
ben_vulpes not rm_rf_upnp you aren't [00:23]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha, i think you wrote that one [00:23]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i already forgot most of this [00:23]
mod6 mircea_popescu: eh yeah, just making sure i guess, those wern't posted to the mailing list. [00:23]
ben_vulpes gpg --verify should spit out the author [00:23]
ben_vulpes i've been a busy boy it's true [00:24]
mircea_popescu diametric i bet you it's a "cost saving measure" [00:24]
asciilifeform ^^^^ [00:24]
mircea_popescu "Some of the action is bound to be quite shocking; for instance, while the elites and the oligarchs themselves are rather well defended, at least initially, their children, ensconced in various elite schools, academies and universities, comprise a soft target, setting the stage for school take-overs, mass kidnappings and shootings of a very different sort from the ones seen to date. " [00:25]
mircea_popescu so orlovs' prediction is that in the near future i will be able to order oligarch underage daughter prostitute to my hotel room in odessa ? [00:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well sure, more like hotel in london [00:26]
mircea_popescu why would i go to fucking london. [00:26]
mircea_popescu i'd rather BE the prostitute. [00:26]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idk why to go to london. just following mr. o's thoughts. [00:28]
ben_vulpes at the risk of point out the obvious if you can afford the bundling and transportation, you could have them in odessa [00:29]
asciilifeform odessa is under american occupation atm, afaik [00:31]
asciilifeform (well, more precisely, nato's unofficial little shitgnomes) [00:31]
mats_cd03 such hostility [00:32]
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mircea_popescu ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ [00:38]
gribble log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is up [00:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda my point. [00:40]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yeah, but the idea is for it to be done for free. [00:40]
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mircea_popescu generally, that's the formative experience of failure. when one's daughters are given away as objects to they in the other system, because even as objects there they are still worth more than were they to stay in their parents' own system, much like infinitely nothing of something is still more than absolutely all of nothing whatsoever. [00:42]
mircea_popescu which is, i guess, what "traditional marriage" is all about. [00:42]
mircea_popescu jurov so give it a look let me know ? [00:43]
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asciilifeform !s decaying urbits [00:58]
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asciilifeform mathematicized, 'proofy' programming is one part grantsmanship, two parts organized pseudoscience, one part enemy disinfo. [00:59]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846642 [01:00]
assbot Logged on 27-09-2014 02:45:16; asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-. [01:00]
asciilifeform (see also that entire thread.) [01:00]
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mats_cd03 yep, read it [01:05]
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mircea_popescu 12-08-2014 05:29:50 I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book << anything came of this ? [01:19]
punkman just the comments that followed [01:20]
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mircea_popescu kk [01:21]
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gernika It's hard to go for more than a year here without the company you're working for being sold. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu !up TheShrander [01:43]
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mircea_popescu gernika i can see it. [01:43]
undata gernika: when I was 16 I worked for a software company which persuaded staff (myself excluded of course) to alter their stock options unfavorably given that they subsequently sold out to HP [01:46]
undata that was a formative experience [01:46]
gernika undata Pretty sure the same thing happened to me about 3 years ago. [01:47]
gernika term sheet change, sell company [01:47]
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TheShrander i'm gonna hold a speech about the WoT in Italy next month. mircea_popescu we have already talk weeks ago, i'm wyrdmantis, remember? [01:51]
mircea_popescu yea. [01:52]
BingoBoingo dignork TomServo: Ty [01:52]
cazalla dignork: a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then: http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD <<< thanks, it's a bit of an improvement for mobile [01:57]
assbot dpaste: 0D7MGFD [01:57]
cazalla oh, you doing same thing BingoBoingo ? [01:57]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I was, but... you can go ahead [01:57]
cazalla done [01:59]
TheShrander i'm trying get some more people here, so they can understand and not waste money in fucking startups... we will see :D [02:00]
mircea_popescu cool. [02:01]
scoopbot New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2014/thinking-you-can-infer-the-meaning-of-new-words-still-eviling-strong/ [02:03]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/ << the 8th note you will prolly find of interest. [02:16]
assbot The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:16]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yes very interesting indeed - I read it before - always get more the second time around. thank [02:18]
mircea_popescu i just published it [02:19]
RagnarDanneskjol oh -the title looked familiar [02:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if orlov's a paid muppet, when do i get paid. [02:21]
mircea_popescu why would you get paid ? [02:22]
asciilifeform (what's sadder, paid shilling, or pro bono muppetry?) [02:22]
mircea_popescu i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin" [02:22]
mircea_popescu muppetry is hard work yo. [02:22]
asciilifeform mostly on account of i can't be bothered to give a shit. [02:22]
mircea_popescu well ? [02:22]
mircea_popescu so then, again...why would you get paid ? [02:22]
asciilifeform but i give enough of a miniature shit to link mr. o [02:22]
asciilifeform lol [02:22]
mircea_popescu so wait, you COULD be a tailor ? cuz yo usorta like cut stuff now and again ? [02:23]
mircea_popescu this is your argument for payment ? [02:23]
asciilifeform 'whore, on account of the equipment' heh. [02:23]
mircea_popescu quite. [02:23]
RagnarDanneskjol this is the one i was thinking of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ - also worth rereading [02:25]
assbot The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:25]
mircea_popescu ah. [02:25]
gernika Was Orlov paid first, and then he started writing? Or the other way around? [02:25]
asciilifeform iirc that's the one where 'we need a new fleanode' [02:26]
gernika Blog until you make it? [02:26]
mircea_popescu gernika the kgb does not recruit nobodies for this role. [02:26]
mircea_popescu either he's an officer, which is weird, but weird is not new in the game ; or else he's just yet another aspiring-talking head, except not working for X company but Y, or else i'm wrong. [02:27]
gernika I could see him as the "social media" branch of a wider effort that includes RT. [02:28]
mircea_popescu me too. [02:28]
mircea_popescu has he ever linked to rt ? [02:28]
asciilifeform let's posit paid muppetry. what is the client getting for his money? [02:29]
mircea_popescu "buzz" [02:29]
asciilifeform 'demoralize decadent west.' but why take a contract out on a corpse? [02:29]
mircea_popescu what does any other derp paying for "online marketing" ? [02:29]
mircea_popescu it's not quite as simple as all that. [02:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform remember that rather accurate depiction of "typical agent" ? [02:29]
asciilifeform aha. [02:30]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do you expect to reach him ? [02:30]
asciilifeform the one with the junkyard, yes [02:30]
mircea_popescu well ? [02:30]
asciilifeform that one had a perfectly pedestrian military logic. [02:30]
asciilifeform what's the logic here? [02:30]
mircea_popescu if you wish to reach those guys, how do you do it ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu put up a craigslist ad ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu do it on reddit ? on twitter ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu your best bet is exactly what orlov is doing. [02:31]
asciilifeform in the classic book, you had a fella going up to the junkyard keeper, offering him a bag of benjies 'for almost nothing' [02:31]
mircea_popescu sorta fringe-y, sorta-angry but not really, "let's make a new alphabet" [02:31]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/ [02:33]
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gernika !s typical agent [02:33]
assbot 0 results for 'typical agent' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=typical+agent [02:33]
asciilifeform gernika: http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html [02:33]
asciilifeform (the piece in question) [02:33]
asciilifeform 'A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something like this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and ha [02:34]
asciilifeform s never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid...' [02:34]
asciilifeform the piece concerned folks who were given the job of preparing hidey-holes and providing materiel, however [02:35]
asciilifeform rather than 'influence agents' [02:35]
asciilifeform so perhaps mircea_popescu was thinking of another. [02:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform again, how do you FIND these guys ? [02:36]
asciilifeform legwork. [02:36]
BingoBoingo !s Hal Turner [02:36]
asciilifeform same way i might find a mechanic [02:36]
assbot 2 results for 'Hal Turner' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Hal+Turner [02:36]
asciilifeform or drywall master [02:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform specifically, legwork. orlov's blog, is that legwork ? [02:36]
asciilifeform let's play this 'chess' a few moves in [02:37]
asciilifeform say one bites. [02:37]
gernika Orlov reminds me of detective who has you in the interrogation room. He somehow befriends himself to you and makes you think he wants to help you. He lays out your options. Cooperate and you get life. Otherwise death. [02:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha ? [02:37]
asciilifeform picture the letter: 'dear mr.o, where can i park my mystery crate that certainly does not contain a rocket launcher.' [02:37]
asciilifeform or the like. [02:37]
asciilifeform unless i dramatically fail to grok how this works, a public blog is very much not the correct tool in the box for this. [02:38]
mircea_popescu let's model it properly. you're the kgb special assets chain of command, and i'm orlov. [02:38]
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mircea_popescu now, propose a situation, sketch a plan and give me an order. [02:39]
asciilifeform i thought the hypothetical was that mr. o is the commander. [02:39]
mircea_popescu lol get out. [02:39]
asciilifeform or at least a controlled muppet [02:39]
mircea_popescu well yes. [02:40]
mircea_popescu think cc server - rooted box. i'm the rooted box. say something to me! [02:40]
asciilifeform so, let's cast mr. o as muppet in charge of volunteer recruitment. [02:40]
asciilifeform moscow says 'find us some useful morons' [02:40]
mircea_popescu error #1 : unspecific command ; ignoring. [02:40]
asciilifeform moscow: 'we need to park a http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2014#917246 within 10km of 'camp david.'' [02:41]
assbot Logged on 11-11-2014 15:03:50; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWJrpA8FnE [02:41]
mircea_popescu select from blog_derps where location within 50 miles and factor 1..n in $criteria or has car etc [02:42]
asciilifeform except that if mr. o were so 'open' to volunteers, he'd be grunting in the oubliette with mr. nyc deathray [02:43]
mircea_popescu obviously. [02:43]
mircea_popescu but this is a technical objection. [02:43]
mircea_popescu if the car worked on an ideal carnot cycle it'd be pretty much fireworks show [02:44]
asciilifeform so one would have to posit some magic-trick in his pocket to explain why he is still around and kicking. [02:44]
mircea_popescu maybe he's not done anything useful yet. [02:45]
mircea_popescu maybe he's been lucky so far [02:45]
mircea_popescu who the fuck knows, it's a shitty life the junkies, whores and assets lead. [02:45]
asciilifeform not saying that this is an impossible picture. [02:45]
asciilifeform just that it fails on a few basics. for one thing, ru recruiters traditionally false-flag. [02:46]
asciilifeform (bugger: 'i wouldn't work for no russian scum' agent: 'aha, but we're mossad, friendlies, dontchaknow') [02:46]
mircea_popescu i haven't a clue if they mostly do or don't. [02:47]
BingoBoingo Why won't people learn to pastebin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2L0hRICAAAAKSg.png:large [02:47]
mircea_popescu which year is this ? [02:47]
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mircea_popescu "a stunted copulation between a woman who hadn’t been laid in decades and a man who interrogated mattress springs for a living" [02:48]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell hanbot win [02:48]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:48]
asciilifeform (most folks, apparently, feel less 'edgy' re: the idea of muppeting for a small-time intelligence agency, than ru or us) [02:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you happen to have a w4r3z link to 'running rings of spies' by 'paladin press', it has some (authenticated and not) case studies. [02:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform most folk get this idea that "they're in control of their own life" and that "they won't have to do anything they don't want to do" and so... [02:53]
asciilifeform very elegantly described in that tome. [02:53]
mircea_popescu what's the worst that can happen. and nobody reads anyway, and who's going to figure anything out [02:53]
mircea_popescu or keep tabs. [02:53]
asciilifeform in a, i dare say, psychiatric style. [02:53]
asciilifeform (an intelligence case officer is a kind of psychiatrist, in the same sense that a sniper is a type of surgeon) [02:54]
mircea_popescu i like it when hirelings go "hello micrea". on a first name basis with people you don't even know the first name of ? way to fail multiple times per line! [02:54]
asciilifeform micrea?! [02:55]
mircea_popescu apparently. [02:55]
mircea_popescu snatislav! [02:55]
BingoBoingo Micrea is the cleanshaven alternate universe version [02:56]
mircea_popescu maybe it should be my stage name. Mic Rhea [02:56]
* asciilifeform has read such letters, yes [02:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform at least it didn't get all the way to snotislav or something [02:56]
asciilifeform 'they called him rheostat. for the knob he twisted to turn up the current when they ended up in his chair.' [02:56]
ben_vulpes rheostan [02:58]
thestringpuller !s from:asciilifeform regex [02:58]
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asciilifeform regex? [02:58]
thestringpuller ^- did i do it wrong [02:58]
undata thestringpuller: wrong string. [02:58]
thestringpuller undata: did they remove the from: tag? [02:59]
thestringpuller there is to: [02:59]
undata thestringpuller: not a clue [02:59]
thestringpuller ~_~ [02:59]
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asciilifeform 'ring of spies' << when does #b-a get own w4r3z ftp? [03:00]
asciilifeform 'instant file hosting' crud - sucks. [03:01]
undata asciilifeform: spend magnet links into the blockchain? [03:01]
undata maybe I'll write that this weekend [03:01]
asciilifeform magnet links << and who seeds? you? [03:01]
undata asciilifeform: same question as who hosts, isn't it? [03:02]
undata of course you could get fancier and do some darknet thing [03:02]
asciilifeform point is not even entirely to host w4r3z - this is not an entirely unsolved problem - but to demonstrate 'fortress.' [03:02]
thestringpuller torrent boxes paid for with btc [03:02]
asciilifeform expensive proposition if they have short life expectancy. [03:03]
ben_vulpes temporary storage paid for with btc [03:03]
asciilifeform see above [03:03]
thestringpuller host on #b-a satellite in space [03:03]
asciilifeform lol. [03:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not so sure there's that much validity to that demonstration. [03:04]
mircea_popescu the entire us carrier approach to war is expensive and unwieldy. [03:04]
asciilifeform not only this, but it helps to be able to link to a document in a thread. [03:05]
asciilifeform instead of crapping out a 'go find it, it's there somewhere on the net' [03:05]
mircea_popescu anything specific ? [03:05]
asciilifeform 'spies' [03:05]
mircea_popescu the thing linked above ? [03:05]
asciilifeform aha [03:05]
asciilifeform a curious little vintage monograph [03:05]
mircea_popescu so what's the problem ? [03:06]
asciilifeform iirc i posted it once, to a 'file host' thing, but of course long gone. [03:06]
BingoBoingo I've located a copy. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=running+rings+of+spies+kickass.to&t=canonical [03:06]
assbot running rings of spies kickass.to at DuckDuckGo [03:06]
mircea_popescu !s suvorov6 [03:06]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that's not a copy [03:06]
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mircea_popescu dat tokenization. anyway, iirc it was on the same place last tiem [03:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the top link is to a torrent which may or may not be alive [03:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's a path that leads to a copy, that lives [03:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and may or may not be the actual scan or a questionable ocr turd [03:07]
BingoBoingo Pretty shitty photoscan, but scan [03:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i want to link to an actual document. with a known sha2. [03:07]
asciilifeform or it isn't a real discussion. [03:07]
* undata will just write said magnet link thing and report back [03:08]
BingoBoingo That's a harder problem. [03:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lemme see here. [03:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is a different piece, not suvorov [03:08]
undata seems like seeding a trackerless torrent with your thing and a signature of the thing solves this [03:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: american 'can't say exactly who i was' vietnam vet. [03:08]
mircea_popescu the ideal would be to have a permanent file storage that works by incrementally adding chickens to the task [03:08]
mircea_popescu but taking chickens away degrades performance but not storage ? [03:09]
asciilifeform aha. [03:09]
BingoBoingo Known sha2 for scans of print text is a very hard problem unless designated agent goes to Paladin press, buys dead trees, and signs hashlists [03:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: easy problem if canonical scan. [03:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the other way. [03:09]
asciilifeform as in, the one you and i read. [03:09]
mircea_popescu just make a scan. [03:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, there is a lot of overlap between the problem of packing bits and the problems of blockchain and crypto isn;'t there. [03:10]
asciilifeform packing bits? [03:10]
mircea_popescu lzw or w/e [03:10]
asciilifeform the spittoon is all in one strand, yes [03:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but perhaps you had something more specific in mind [03:11]
mircea_popescu well, the problem ehre is this : immutable datastore comes with the problem of, who may add to it. [03:11]
mircea_popescu if not, straight to spam pile. [03:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i assume you studied some of the known bitcoin predecessors. [03:11]
BingoBoingo Fuck, whoever made this scan isn't very good at the whole scanning books business [03:11]
asciilifeform there was one called 'eternity' [03:12]
mircea_popescu myeah. [03:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in short, your complaint is legitimate but the solution unobvious. [03:12]
asciilifeform in fact, many folks arrived at 'proof of work' and something akin to our current concept of 'blockchain' by attempting to answer the 'who gets to add bits' question. [03:12]
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asciilifeform http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/eternity/eternity.html [03:13]
asciilifeform ^ that one. [03:13]
asciilifeform and a few others [03:13]
asciilifeform ('eternity' was one of the more braindamaged ones, so perhaps that wasn't it) [03:13]
mircea_popescu problem goes deeper : if "who can add is finite" then you have a point of failure baked in quite nastily. [03:14]
asciilifeform aha. [03:14]
mircea_popescu for that matter, the current state of the web, 50% or more linkrotted away [03:14]
mircea_popescu is clear testament to this being a major problem. [03:15]
mircea_popescu i know i've ranted about it on occasion. [03:15]
asciilifeform it's a serious problem, and folks who don't routinely discuss 20+ year old, moderately-obscure documents don't even know the beginning of it. [03:15]
asciilifeform it goes beyond 'where do i put l337 w4r3z' [03:16]
mircea_popescu how about this canonical formulation of it : most of what i know i know alone, because the "internet" is made out of knowledge in the sense the earth is made out of grass. [03:16]
asciilifeform warez censor is not the only mouse in the warehouse. there's moth and dust, father time. [03:16]
undata asciilifeform: what about torrent sites with seed ratio requirements? They seem to have done well as archives, even of the obscure. [03:16]
mircea_popescu and the body out of hair [03:17]
asciilifeform undata: 'obscure' here is almost by definition - that which is not found on 'pirate bay' and the like [03:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how's the russian thing work ? mostly as undata's idea, right ? loosely affiliated, % enforcing warez sites [03:18]
asciilifeform aha. [03:18]
asciilifeform it also works by having some specificity - as in, 'only books that were actual books once' [03:18]
asciilifeform and the language barrier mostly (not always!) keeps enemy at bay [03:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'll tell you something about obscure. perhaps the best franchise in the history of western pornography is kink.com. best in purely aesthetic terms. now, their various brands, things such as i dunno, publichumiliation exist on the piratebay in the sense of maybe a dozen items out of what, 500 ? 1k total ? [03:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: none of the major 'libraries' have '% ratios' though [03:19]
mircea_popescu yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out [03:19]
mircea_popescu suppose i wanted to do something of the substance of actual reason, knowledge, science. da fuck do i do ? pray ? [03:19]
mircea_popescu imagine if libraries of the paper variety were organised on the principle that "well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books" [03:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: another example. want w4r3z copy of 'winblows' ? easy as fart. want the leaked microshit source? (why!?!? but that's another question) - harder. [03:20]
mircea_popescu rather than "we have every book ever made" [03:20]
asciilifeform though it's out there. [03:20]
asciilifeform well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books << prison library. [03:20]
undata the sites I'm thinking of solve this by making upload credits capital you spend on download, effectively [03:21]
mircea_popescu in fact, the way digital stuff is handled, it reminds me of how books would be handled in the house a functionally illiterate peasant from the 1900s. [03:21]
undata it seems that kind of incentive structure could be tweaked to reward preserving the obscure [03:21]
mircea_popescu "and here is where we keep the books" . "what's in them ? " " letter" [03:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's precisely it. [03:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reminds me of a tale from the pet. she was once given a bag of 'books' by a 'friend' who vaguely recalled that she 'likes reading books.' [03:21]
asciilifeform (it was all crud long-overdue for the recycling vats from the moment of printing, naturally) [03:22]
mircea_popescu careful what she says, next she gets a bag of fucks. [03:22]
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mircea_popescu but the problem is not merely storage. retrieval is up there too. consider the simple task "let us watc ha movie". the girls now have to find one. i've distributed more lashes for failure to find good films than for all other reasons combined, in 2014. [03:23]
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asciilifeform undata: you need 'wot' baked in or you get idiots gaming the ratio system, the way they did on 1990s bbs. [03:23]
asciilifeform zip-o-crud generators. [03:23]
mircea_popescu while the exercise is instructive, i don't really believe it's the girls' fault exactly. [03:23]
undata asciilifeform: certainly [03:23]
mircea_popescu how do you find a good film ? [03:23]
mircea_popescu as in, "only films that were actually films once" [03:23]
asciilifeform this, as often is, - is one of the 'insufficient wot in extant system' cases. [03:24]
undata given a BTC transaction which represents an "item" in the catalog, there could as well be transactions which refer to that one and rate it [03:24]
undata and so on. [03:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why the "unspecified" website i asked for someone to make a month ago and punkman volunteered is EXACTLY a wot-driven film database. [03:25]
asciilifeform (for reading fiction, some folks actually use primitive 'wot' systems like 'goodreads') [03:25]
mircea_popescu "see the films that people you trust liked" [03:25]
asciilifeform http://bookriot.com/2012/07/31/goodreads-v-librarything-part-one [03:25]
assbot Goodreads v. LibraryThing- Part One - BOOK RIOT [03:25]
asciilifeform (a review of the very primitive state of the art) [03:26]
asciilifeform for film - no idea, if exists [03:26]
asciilifeform !s kyristor [03:26]
mircea_popescu ure it exists. "metacritic rating" [03:26]
assbot 7 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor [03:26]
mircea_popescu hear what five hundred internet imbeciles thought about racism in THIS film [03:26]
asciilifeform ^ my ancient failed attempt at 'wot.' was to be used with another (never happened) apparatus, 'sollipse,' for running a 'multiverse' of wots. [03:27]
asciilifeform (an individual could be a 'node' on any number of orthogonal wots, such as film tastes, mathematics, etc) [03:27]
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mircea_popescu this is where it's headed. [03:28]
asciilifeform in the sense that it is the only solution - yes. [03:28]
asciilifeform in fact, 'reddit' gizmos can be seen as a specially broken case of wot - having the same relationship to wot as baited rat poison has to food [03:29]
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mircea_popescu as per http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ :) [03:29]
assbot Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:29]
asciilifeform which is, that to the victim's nose it distantly resembles the real thing - but has an ulterior motive baked in. [03:29]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu The idea being that any current “social media” website is a defective implementation of the WoT, what I intend to do is prove this point. Because the sort of idiots involved won’t figure it on their own, and the assholes a la zuck and conde nast have about as much interest in the matter as your random bank cares about getting off shitty buggy ms software. [03:29]
asciilifeform aha. [03:29]
asciilifeform except that it goes beyond active disinterest. [03:30]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [03:30]
asciilifeform they're certainly interested - in something quite else. [03:30]
mircea_popescu unsovereignty ? [03:30]
asciilifeform vox sheepuli. [03:30]
mircea_popescu "god help us if people are in charge of their own lives, anything b ut that" ? [03:30]
asciilifeform 'god help us if the thinking folks find one another' [03:31]
mircea_popescu right. [03:31]
mircea_popescu now see, THAT is a fortress worth making [03:31]
mircea_popescu which is why it's here. [03:31]
asciilifeform well, the pieces are here. [03:31]
mircea_popescu a fortress is first and foremost an embodied fuck you. [03:31]
asciilifeform aha. [03:31]
mircea_popescu just how well fortified it actually is =- that's a technical discussion' [03:32]
mircea_popescu but the unbreached fortress is exactly as fortified as any other unbreached fortress : infinitely so. [03:32]
mircea_popescu (and by "it's here" i means specifically, b-a) [03:33]
asciilifeform well, yes [03:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, i lifted 'kyristor' name not from the obvious place, but from a zoological exploration of a peculiarly malignant femiderp re: 'kyriarchy' [03:34]
asciilifeform decided that it would be a particularly apt name for the ideal 'crucifix' against the vampires in question. [03:34]
asciilifeform but that's ancient history. [03:34]
asciilifeform interestingly, mr mold invented almost precisely the same scheme, afaik independently, neither of us lifted from the other [03:35]
asciilifeform imho it is an inevitable discovery, like semiconductor. [03:36]
asciilifeform (a rusty nail semiconducts, if you know where on it to stick a probe. this is how 'coherer' - first radio receiver - worked, though its inventor did not know this) [03:37]
mircea_popescu nothing as indomitable as an idea whose time has come eh [03:38]
asciilifeform ;;google railroading time [03:38]
gribble Quote by Robert A. Heinlein: “When railroading time comes you can ...: ; Q&N: The Door into Summer (Heinlein) - Hjkeen.net: ; Railroad Time - Home Page - TimeZone: (1 more message) [03:38]
mircea_popescu "hard to keep people from observing water is wet once their wanderings take them to an ocean" [03:38]
asciilifeform ^ [03:38]
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asciilifeform no one will even think to mention 'wot-based' gizmo in the future, just as when you buy a pc now - the crate does not bother to say 'semiconductor-based' [03:52]
asciilifeform it's merely obvious. [03:53]
asciilifeform it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. [03:54]
asciilifeform namely - if you're operating using some other, incompatible abstraction - the result will be demonstrable nonsense. [03:54]
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decimation re: spies << Stierlitz is a psychologist [04:10]
decimation I was amused the reference to the lady morse operator's "hand" [04:10]
asciilifeform morse 'hand' is a thing, ask anyone who still deals with it [04:11]
undata asciilifeform: how does it compare to emacs claw? [04:11]
asciilifeform not to be confused with 'telegrapher's glass arm' disease [04:11]
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asciilifeform 'hand' here is in the sense of 'handwriting' [04:11]
undata ah [04:11]
decimation asciilifeform: when I visited Bletchley park, they told a story about this. Apparently the germans initially sent the 'headers' in enigma traffic in plaintext before the message [04:11]
decimation the uk operators at the "Y" stations became familiar with the 'hand' of each german operator [04:12]
asciilifeform hand >> incidentally, this was part of the reason why shortly after the war, most intelligence orgs moved to mechanical (punched tape) operation [04:12]
decimation later, when the germans started to encrypt the 'headers', they were able to sort out each crypto link by the intercept operator's ability to recognize his opponent's hand [04:12]
decimation as nearly all enigma traffic was sent by hand morse [04:13]
asciilifeform the ru version was a very simple stapler-shaped gizmo that punched holes in old 35mm film [04:13]
asciilifeform it was then fed into the telegraph. [04:13]
asciilifeform i have no idea what usa used, probably same. [04:13]
decimation actually morse was initially 'machine' sent [04:13]
asciilifeform it was mainly to shorten total 'on air' time, to make triangulation harder [04:13]
decimation the original idea was to mark a strip of paper with the morse characters, but very soon after the telegraph was introduced it was realized that operators could send by ear much more quickly [04:14]
asciilifeform and reduce mistakes (professional 'morse man' and skilled 'illegal' is like asking to hire a pro racing driver who is also an expert cocksucker) [04:14]
decimation yeah I also found it interesting in 'stierlitz' that he didn't send his own morse/radio traffic [04:15]
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asciilifeform after the war, it was almost unheard of to have 2way traffic at all [04:15]
asciilifeform most return comms from illegals were via 'dead drop' [04:15]
asciilifeform simple, 'cheap and angry' [04:15]
asciilifeform grunt under diplomatic cover - fetches it. [04:15]
mircea_popescu it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. << quite agreed, [04:15]
mircea_popescu and to think the derps are going o nbout "blockchain technology". as if. [04:16]
asciilifeform decimation: 2way traffic is a forced wartime thing. when you have no one in diplomatic cover behind the lines. [04:16]
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decimation asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, the poor English translation for the word that refers to when a spy is killed 'doing his duty' seems to be 'failed' [04:17]
asciilifeform провал? [04:17]
decimation "Stierlitz knew he would 'fail' if he did x" [04:17]
asciilifeform literally, 'fell through' [04:17]
asciilifeform as in, through a hole in the street [04:17]
decimation I get the feeling that's the wrong translation at times [04:17]
asciilifeform the closest translation would probably be 'blown' [04:17]
decimation so it's kind of idiomaitc [04:17]
asciilifeform (as in 'cover') [04:17]
decimation yeah [04:17]
asciilifeform (for folks reading this who have no idea - there was not a film called 'stierlitz', but it is the cover name of the hero in iconic ru multiparter '17 moments of spring.') [04:18]
mircea_popescu english has the funcitonal equivalent, "the deal fell through" [04:19]
BingoBoingo From the lulzmines: "Batman is a rich white psychopath who beats up poor people for fun. He is not now and never has been a hero." [04:19]
asciilifeform aha. [04:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo also, blackface. [04:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582399 [04:19]
assbot Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat. [04:19]
mircea_popescu "By their nature as vigilantes, acting outside or above the law, most superheroes have a troubling undercurrent of aristocratic, undemocratic, authoritarian values." [04:20]
mircea_popescu how dare they be better than the scumcrowd!11 [04:20]
decimation yeah sorry for the shorthand. You can view the whole series here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzOma9Pyv8&list=PLA6274B0CEF58CEB0 (or download with youtube-dl) [04:20]
assbot 17 Moments of Spring - 1/12 - 1/7 - YouTube [04:20]
asciilifeform re: scumcrowd: [04:21]
asciilifeform ;;google harrison bergeron [04:21]
gribble Harrison Bergeron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Harrison Bergeron - Tnellen.com: ; Full text of "Harrison Bergeron (& Activity)" - Internet Archive: [04:21]
asciilifeform (if there remains alive even one who has not read it) [04:21]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what h b is. [04:21]
mircea_popescu oh, vonnegut. kay [04:21]
asciilifeform short story by k. vonnegut. [04:21]
asciilifeform about a 'glorious future of ikvaliti.' [04:22]
asciilifeform [insert w4r3z] [04:22]
* mircea_popescu is reading it. [04:22]
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undata asciilifeform: social media is the shriek of the headphones [04:25]
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undata what were we talking about? [04:25]
asciilifeform undata: except - for now - optional. [04:25]
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mircea_popescu And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. "Excuse me-" she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive. [04:25]
mircea_popescu lol. [04:25]
assbot RetroUpriser +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [04:26]
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RetroUpriser Care to play a game of chess, mircea_popescu? [04:27]
BingoBoingo A doomed by the bong case heats up http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/highway-seizure-in-iowa-fuels-debate-about-asset-forfeiture-laws/2014/11/10/10f725fc-5ec3-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html [04:27]
assbot Highway seizure in Iowa fuels debate about asset-forfeiture laws - The Washington Post [04:27]
mircea_popescu ugh, ive not played chess in like a decade or two [04:27]
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RetroUpriser Well the offer stands should you change your mind [04:28]
mircea_popescu why thank you. [04:29]
mircea_popescu heck, why the hell not. [04:29]
mircea_popescu what do you want, heads or tails ? [04:29]
RetroUpriser You can choose first [04:30]
decimation asciilifeform: "fiat 'was down'" << sometimes this happens because a geomagnetic storm knocks down a satellite - for example most gas stations in the us clear credit cards through satellite [04:30]
RetroUpriser And i was thinking of using chess.com [04:30]
mircea_popescu i dun have a login [04:30]
asciilifeform 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the driver’s consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search [04:30]
asciilifeform !s clever hans [04:31]
assbot 0 results for 'clever hans' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+hans [04:31]
RetroUpriser How would you like to play? [04:31]
asciilifeform http://www.kbrhorse.net/tra/hans.html [04:31]
xanthyos http://en.lichess.org/ << no login needed [04:31]
assbot lichess.org • Free Online Chess [04:31]
decimation yeah my understanding is that the results of the 'search dogs' are always an objective basis upon which one can search [04:31]
asciilifeform search dog != confiscation dog [04:32]
mircea_popescu bah all these people and their javascript already [04:32]
asciilifeform (if the latter are not yet standard - they are being grown.) [04:32]
decimation the dog smells money on you [04:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dig out that 'ipad' [04:32]
asciilifeform chess is more or less what it's for. [04:32]
BingoBoingo 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the driver’s consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search << Pretty much an open secret by now [04:32]
mircea_popescu i dun have an ipad here ;/ [04:32]
asciilifeform no civilian computer at all? [04:33]
mircea_popescu fuck it ima play ascii art chess. [04:33]
decimation http://oglaf.com/heel/ [04:33]
assbot Heel [04:33]
xanthyos you don't need to physically see the same board [04:34]
xanthyos just announce moves [04:34]
RetroUpriser this is true, we could play through text [04:34]
BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--O-wxNBJR--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/omamfciqg1uiper3pdrj.jpg << Murican ingenuity [04:34]
BingoBoingo !s d6 [04:34]
assbot 12 results for 'd6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=d6 [04:34]
mircea_popescu RetroUpriser ima do algebraic notation in about 5 minutes lemme type out some letters [04:34]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: likely hand-loaded shells with almost no powder [04:35]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or would have ruptured [04:35]
mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/gqUgekiU [04:36]
assbot abcdefgh 1 TCNRXNCT 1 2 PPPPPPPP 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 - Pastebin.com [04:36]
BingoBoingo That, but then again non-nagant revolver so there was an exit point for the pressure between the chamber and barrel [04:36]
mircea_popescu so now, is X the queen or the king in that arrangement ? or is white caps or no caps ? [04:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: normally folks play ascii chess using ordinary coordinates and physical boards [04:36]
mircea_popescu RetroUpriser e2e4 [04:37]
mircea_popescu now where did he go [04:38]
BingoBoingo r is the queen, x is the king, white is on top (king's starts on e, queen on d) [04:38]
mircea_popescu so i got it right ? go me. [04:39]
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RetroUpriser hold on finding an online board to use [04:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i was always curious why nagant forward-cam did not catch on [04:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it seems like pure win [04:39]
thestringpuller Just play with the text board with pasties [04:40]
RetroUpriser d7 ~ d5 [04:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: probably the cost of making of forward cam vs. retard resistant gas can escape two places design [04:41]
mircea_popescu e4e5 [04:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: is sidearm srsly a cost-sensitive application? [04:42]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: (aside from pathological cases like 'liberator') [04:42]
decimation re: semi quad-copter << I don't get how that's more effective than a semi-truck full of small guided ballistic missiles [04:43]
RetroUpriser Ke6 [04:43]
RetroUpriser c6* [04:43]
asciilifeform decimation: range [04:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It is for the manufacterer and the purchasing agency negotiating on the specs. Maybe Police wants to spring for better than liberator, but forward cam... too much [04:43]
BingoBoingo RetroUpriser: How does king move two spaces? [04:44]
xanthyos heh [04:44]
mircea_popescu f2f4 [04:44]
BingoBoingo Wait, king is x [04:44]
BingoBoingo Nevermind [04:45]
BingoBoingo non-standard lettering... [04:45]
Apocalyptic you guys are using weird notations [04:45]
RetroUpriser pe6 [04:45]
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mircea_popescu c3 [04:47]
mircea_popescu knight c3 [04:47]
asciilifeform decimation: re: morse tape: http://cryptomuseum.com/burst/index.htm [04:48]
assbot Burst Encoders [04:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is this even anything btw ? [04:48]
RetroUpriser Pb6 [04:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Game seems to be a thing, just the non-standard letters are messing with my ingrained encoding [04:49]
mircea_popescu d2d4 [04:49]
RetroUpriser Bc7 [04:50]
decimation asciilifeform: seems to me it would be easier just to send a pcm signal like bpsk or something, but I guess this was before that kind of stuff was well known [04:50]
BingoBoingo looks like RetroUpriser is playing some sort of French defense and mircea_popescu is just grabbing space [04:50]
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asciilifeform decimation: mechanical. [04:50]
decimation radio teletype was mechanical too [04:51]
decimation mostly [04:51]
asciilifeform decimation: mechanical and man-portable here. [04:51]
asciilifeform decimation: and, potentially, received by another operator equipped with nothing more than consumer radio set. [04:51]
mircea_popescu c3b5 [04:51]
asciilifeform and pencil. [04:51]
decimation yeah those are tough specs [04:52]
RetroUpriser b7a6 [04:53]
mircea_popescu b5x3 [04:56]
mircea_popescu b5c3 [04:56]
RetroUpriser a6f1 [04:56]
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mircea_popescu wut ?! [04:57]
BingoBoingo !up RetroUpriser [04:57]
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RetroUpriser Thanks [04:58]
mircea_popescu aw shgit i had the pawn moved not the bishiop. my bad. [04:58]
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mircea_popescu h1f1 [04:58]
RetroUpriser ahem [04:59]
RetroUpriser that cant be done [04:59]
RetroUpriser you knight is still on g1 [04:59]
mircea_popescu igh. [05:00]
mircea_popescu somehow i was missing a knight o.o [05:00]
mircea_popescu dude this is nuts, ascii chess [05:00]
RetroUpriser im looking at a board and putting the moves in [05:00]
asciilifeform most folks use boards with tele-chess [05:00]
asciilifeform except when in jail [05:00]
mircea_popescu e1f1 [05:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well, if the WEB DIDNT SUCK [05:01]
mircea_popescu then perhaps i could. [05:01]
asciilifeform actual as in physical board [05:01]
asciilifeform on each end [05:01]
mircea_popescu im poor and destitute [05:01]
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asciilifeform l0l [05:01]
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RetroUpriser d8h4 [05:03]
mircea_popescu wasn';t x the king / [05:03]
RetroUpriser huh? [05:04]
Apocalyptic why not using the standard algebraic notation ? [05:04]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic because... i don't know it ? so ended up making some shit up on the spot ? [05:04]
RetroUpriser heh, i have my kings on e [05:04]
mircea_popescu RetroUpriser sorry man, i'll have to take a bow here. my table is too fubar for a 3rd debug attempt [05:05]
mircea_popescu you'll have to play with someone who actulaly knows how. [05:05]
RetroUpriser no worries [05:05]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, easier to learn than to ask your opponent to adapt, especially if he plays quite a lot [05:05]
RetroUpriser ill count it as a win in my books [05:05]
RetroUpriser so im satisfied [05:05]
RetroUpriser adios! [05:05]
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Apocalyptic it's quite intuitive [05:05]
asciilifeform ♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜ [05:05]
asciilifeform ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ [05:06]
decimation lol [05:06]
asciilifeform yes. [05:06]
decimation ascii with the unicode [05:06]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic no argument there, but i just don't happen to give a shit about chess, what can i tell you [05:06]
Apocalyptic then no argument there indeed [05:06]
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nubbins` ♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙ [05:08]
nubbins` ♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖ [05:08]
nubbins` i guess i'll go first? [05:08]
nubbins` altho given the results of the tourney, maybe i should abstain [05:09]
thestringpuller ;;kitten lasers [05:10]
gribble Error: "kitten" is not a valid command. [05:10]
thestringpuller ;;kittenlasers [05:10]
gribble Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command. [05:10]
thestringpuller ;;laserkittens [05:10]
gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* [05:10]
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asciilifeform https://www.daniweb.com/software-development/python/code/423640/unicode-chessboard-in-a-terminal [05:20]
assbot Unicode chessboard in a terminal | DaniWeb [05:20]
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mike_c sliding backgrounds! [05:29]
mike_c http://www.coinpip.com/ [05:29]
assbot Bitcoin Payment Gateway | Bitcoin Merchant Services [05:29]
mircea_popescu is anyone even keepiung count of all these braindamaged "services" the bezzle keeps pumping out ? [05:30]
mircea_popescu i mean, they all depend on being the only one as a business model, by now the only firm guarantee that can be made is that nobody will EVER make a dime in that market [05:31]
thestringpuller like bitpay? [05:31]
mike_c but this one is purty [05:32]
mircea_popescu like all of 'em. [05:33]
assbot Crypto Capital | Merging the Fiat & Crypto World | Exchanges, Investors, Traders [05:33]
dignork it scrolls sideways! [05:33]
mike_c it is moving around a lot [05:33]
mircea_popescu im waiting for the one that scrolls crazy shitstick on all sides [05:34]
mircea_popescu so the paleo fad diet experts among us : what the fuck do you do about sushi ? [05:34]
mike_c omg, that one does. it scrolls down then sideways then down [05:34]
mircea_popescu don't tell me the thing's intended for kansasites who are barbaric enough to never heard of and so never miss sushi [05:35]
ben_vulpes "rice doesn't count!!!1" [05:35]
mircea_popescu what about bechamel ? [05:35]
mircea_popescu am i to starve in france ? [05:35]
mircea_popescu also, wheat is verboten but what about beans ? pretty sure no paleoman ate lentil soup. [05:36]
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ben_vulpes shit hangs together like camo netting [05:39]
PeterL http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/blogroll.py thoughts? [05:40]
assbot #bitcoin-assets blog posts [05:40]
PeterL mircea_popescu: paleo says fish is fine, can you make sushi without rice? [05:42]
PeterL there are other ways to prepare fish [05:42]
fluffypony it's called sashimi [05:42]
fluffypony :-P [05:42]
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PeterL mircea_popescu: paleo says no beans [05:45]
mircea_popescu PeterL well it'd be sashimi then [05:45]
mircea_popescu which is ok... but i like sushi. [05:45]
mircea_popescu eh fluffypony beats m to it! [05:46]
fluffypony lol [05:46]
PeterL I've had sushi, didn;t like it much, probably not high quality though [05:46]
fluffypony yeah you need to try quality sushi [05:46]
fluffypony stuff from a takeaway joint on the corner is reserved for sushimergencies [05:46]
mircea_popescu there's no point in having meh sushi. [05:46]
mircea_popescu and incidentally, that's another thing this town shines in. they got sushi. [05:46]
mircea_popescu PeterL anway, i was just illustrating a point. one of my fave meals is, pork wellington. my own invention. [05:47]
mircea_popescu you need crust to hold all that liver and mushroom [05:47]
PeterL simmilar to beef wellington? [05:47]
mircea_popescu exactly the sam, but using a whole pork tenderloin. [05:48]
PeterL yes, there are many dishes which just don't happen on paleo [05:48]
PeterL I tried it, like the way I felt physically, but was too bored with eating the same things over and over [05:49]
mircea_popescu yeah well, i'm not giving up on my culture for the sake of you know... preserving some bizarre prehistorical concerns [05:49]
PeterL sure [05:49]
mircea_popescu come to think about it... i would think deviled eggs is the pinnacle of paleo culinary achievement huh [05:50]
mircea_popescu as a craft i mean. obviously hard to fight a proper steak [05:50]
PeterL my wife managed to make some interesting dishes trying to keep things interesting [05:51]
mircea_popescu did you do the actual no beans no milk no nothing version ? [05:51]
PeterL yup [05:51]
mircea_popescu or more like "whatever, we just won't eat too many sugar frosted dumplings" version [05:51]
PeterL lasted a couple months [05:51]
* mircea_popescu is a firm champion of "eat whatever thoust will until you burst" diet, going on 40 years now [05:52]
decimation wait how is milk not paleo? [05:52]
mircea_popescu im not even that fat. [05:52]
PeterL then she decided she couldn't stand to see another sweet potato and we started adding lots of stuff back in [05:52]
mircea_popescu decimation well it's not manly enough, sucking on titties. [05:52]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ? [05:52]
decimation lol [05:53]
mircea_popescu hair pulling and surprise insertions all the way ? [05:53]
PeterL milk digestion as an adult was one of the most recent enzymes added to the human genome [05:53]
PeterL some populations get it more than others [05:53]
mircea_popescu PeterL how does that make sense ? if you have it as a kid then it's there [05:53]
PeterL most animals don't eat milk as adult [05:53]
mircea_popescu but the enzyme, it gotta be there. [05:53]
PeterL yeah, but the body stops making it [05:53]
mircea_popescu the genome doesn't change over the lifetime of the individual [05:54]
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ben_vulpes upregulation and downregulation is a thing [05:54]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:54]
ben_vulpes stop drinking milk long enough and it will hurt the next time [05:55]
decimation http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/centum-and-satem-2/ << "It all started pretty far to the East. There, some crazy locals first tamed the horse. I’m thinking that they were something like the Botai culture, riding and hunting horses, but not farmers. They may well have milked those horses – by the way, horse milk is much richer in lactose than human or cow milk." [05:55]
assbot Centum and Satem | West Hunter [05:55]
* asciilifeform actually knows a fellow who lost lactose digestion as adult [05:55]
mircea_popescu you ever had mare milk ? [05:55]
asciilifeform go figure. [05:55]
asciilifeform iirc not digestible by man unless fermented [05:55]
mircea_popescu i am pretty convinced the way milk became a part of the diet is because of animal husbandry. [05:55]
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mircea_popescu mares literally love being suckled, and will love you if you suckle them [05:56]
asciilifeform кумыс. [05:56]
mircea_popescu this given, how long would it have taken some bored kids in central asia ? [05:56]
joecool upregulation and downregulation is a thing < it's funny how many people forget this [05:56]
thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lzmji/i_am_a_student_at_mit_who_recently_received_100/ [05:56]
mircea_popescu joecool i was just keeping his hands to the coals on the technicality of it. "retaining milk digestion past childood is a recent adaptation" etc. [05:57]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller so basically, "mit sucks" ? [05:58]
mircea_popescu maybe they should start small, give the bright kids there lightbulbs [05:58]
asciilifeform !s mit battery [05:58]
assbot 11 results for 'mit battery' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mit+battery [05:58]
asciilifeform ^ obligatory [05:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik, the fermentation makes it accessible to wussies [05:59]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/JXEDCf3 [06:00]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [06:00]
PeterL by the way, I added code to scoopbot, now if he disconnects he should reconnect, hopefully this will keep him running [06:00]
mircea_popescu splendid. [06:00]
nubbins` anyone know if you can carry money in a regular wheelbarrow or do they make ones w/ nets to keep the cash from blowing away? [06:01]
asciilifeform !b 1 [06:01]
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mircea_popescu i am still frozen from having read that. [06:01]
PeterL nubbins`: use a paperweight? [06:01]
nubbins` currently using a couple of cookie sheets, but they slide around [06:02]
asciilifeform easy answer to riddle: money is typically heavy and does not blow away. [06:02]
asciilifeform benjies - might [06:02]
nubbins` asciilifeform actually knows a fellow who lost lactose digestion as adult <<< this happened to my wife [06:02]
joecool happened to my ex [06:02]
joecool must be a canadian problem [06:02]
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nubbins` lactose-free dairy stuff is more common these days [06:03]
nubbins` you can get president's choice lactose-free cheddar AND marble now :0 [06:03]
asciilifeform given that gene expression is a thing, this is actually a very easy way to give yourself food allergies [06:03]
asciilifeform simply abstain from something for a spell [06:03]
joecool nubbins`: it is, can buy regular milk without lactose and even ice cream [06:03]
asciilifeform (works for a number of things) [06:03]
nubbins` yup [06:03]
joecool or eat lots of lactase [06:03]
nubbins` the lactase pills even stopped working [06:04]
nubbins` i mean, old cheddar doesn't have much lactose to begin with. [06:04]
joecool i told her this too, she never had an issue with aged cheeses [06:04]
dignork nubbins`: they just make them from money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWhI4gi9nNk [06:05]
assbot Extreme wheelbarrowing - YouTube [06:05]
assbot you know they put lactose in lactase pills [06:05]
nubbins` you got it all wrong buddy [06:06]
nubbins` stick to what ya know [06:06]
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PeterL assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills <<< wth assbot? [06:19]
assbot what, its true [06:20]
BingoBoingo assbot is the bot with the hero butt [06:20]
PeterL is somebody playing with assbot? [06:21]
BingoBoingo I doubt it. Prolly a new feature. [06:22]
ben_vulpes things about ios 8 that drive me insane [06:28]
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ben_vulpes app store search results are sorted above my installed apps [06:28]
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assbot PeterL, have you seen the movie 'being john malkovich'? [06:30]
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cazalla woot, cherries in season [06:37]
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ben_vulpes on an entirely different topic, i'd like to derp in public about bisection in hunt of the commits that unwedged 0.5.3 [06:42]
ben_vulpes my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool. [06:43]
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ben_vulpes this script will take the wedged blockchain on disk; copy it into the testing dir; compile bitcoind from a different point in the source tree; and boot it pointed at the wedged blockchain; and check to see if the output of 'bitcoind getblockcount' has gone up [06:45]
ben_vulpes if yes, mark as good with git bisect and proceed with binary search, repeating the above process until the unwedging commit is discovered. [06:45]
decimation ben_vulpes: won't you need much disk space per 'try'? [06:45]
ben_vulpes 2x the size of the wedged blockchain [06:46]
ben_vulpes one for copying into the dir, one for launching from. [06:46]
ben_vulpes if i'm not being clear, i plan to clobber the data dir on each run. [06:46]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: doubtful plan [06:49]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: illuminate me [06:50]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wedging almost certainly involves what ends up being saved as blockchain [06:50]
asciilifeform rather than how it is decoded [06:50]
ben_vulpes ah ha [06:50]
ben_vulpes well then shit i should copy this datadir while its yet unwedged [06:50]
asciilifeform but - assuming you've the time/energy - there is no reason not to try it [06:51]
asciilifeform (specifically - to see what, if anything, a >0.5.3 client will do with a wedged 0.5.3 chain) [06:51]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: were i to use a chain slightly downstream of the wedging to start the process, would that be less unlikely to work? [06:53]
asciilifeform how could i know. [06:54]
asciilifeform try. [06:54]
decimation ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? [06:54]
asciilifeform the catastrophic memory leak is also a fact. [06:54]
asciilifeform not directly a cause of the wedge though [06:54]
ben_vulpes how could i know. [06:55]
ben_vulpes not directly a cause of the wedge though [06:55]
ben_vulpes there is much contrast in the implications of these statements. [06:55]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: well, i was able to determine that wedging takes place prior to memory exhaustion [06:55]
asciilifeform no data on whether common bug behind both, however. [06:55]
asciilifeform here's another tidbit from 'valgrind' runs - leak is very slow prior to wedge, then appears to speed up [06:56]
decimation I guess my point is that if something external to the turd participates in the 'wedging' then the bisect plan won't really work [06:56]
decimation or at least, will have misleading results [06:56]
ben_vulpes what would be considered "external"? [07:00]
decimation bdb for instance [07:00]
asciilifeform 'boost' [07:00]
decimation if something is stomping on something in those libraries it could be quite subtle [07:00]
ben_vulpes would the libraries not be held constant between bisections? [07:01]
ben_vulpes provided i'm not doing something retarded like also updating packages [07:01]
decimation sure, but it is at least possible that is stomping on the code in such a way that it doesn't work in one version, but then works in another [07:02]
decimation not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory [07:02]
asciilifeform external << worth pointing out that i did not build with 'period' libs. [07:02]
decimation nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting [07:03]
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BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/potentially-catastrophic-bug-bites-all-versions-of-windows-patch-now/ << WinBleed [07:08]
assbot Potentially catastrophic bug bites all versions of Windows. Patch now | Ars Technica [07:08]
asciilifeform s/patch/exploit [07:08]
BingoBoingo Refresh, someone found the old door, time for a new door [07:09]
asciilifeform someone << ru [07:13]
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mircea_popescu if yes, mark as good with git bisect <<< interesting approach. [07:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? << this is undoubtedly the case for at least some wedgings [07:22]
mircea_popescu but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing. [07:22]
* asciilifeform far more familiar than wanted to be [07:23]
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mircea_popescu "A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed. [07:24]
asciilifeform arbitrary remote code exec [07:24]
mircea_popescu either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored) [07:24]
asciilifeform not necessarily 'replica' of anything [07:24]
ben_vulpes http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000008.html [07:25]
asciilifeform microshit is the ultimate execution of 'plausibly deniable' usg mandate. [07:25]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: neato. [07:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head" [07:25]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: congratulate the author [07:25]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you may find that my patches rely on one another [07:26]
asciilifeform ('patch' util is dumb as a rock) [07:26]
mircea_popescu "Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug." [07:26]
asciilifeform (re: 'compile with posted patches individually' idea) [07:26]
mircea_popescu the exact definition of "notabug" [07:26]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they almost always print 'no mitigating factors' (as in, must install update or die) [07:27]
mircea_popescu good for 'em. [07:27]
asciilifeform incidentally, some folks may wonder why microshit even bothers to announce pwnholes [07:28]
asciilifeform answer is, in many cases, they don't (often people reverse engineer them from recent patches) [07:28]
asciilifeform and when they do, part of the reason is to goad lusers to force-update [07:28]
asciilifeform so they can develop new orifices. [07:28]
decimation 'the (upgrade) bell tolls for thee' [07:29]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/chris-popple-of-rbs-in-regards-to-bitcoin-were-definitely-interested-in-it/ [07:53]
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mircea_popescu lol bankers saying things [07:59]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op [17:05]
mircea_popescu not so unlike sharing privkeys from a purely bitcoin perspective [17:05]
mircea_popescu cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i. [17:06]
mircea_popescu the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it. [17:07]
mircea_popescu the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is. [17:07]
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mircea_popescu jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe [17:11]
mircea_popescu r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else. [17:11]
mircea_popescu this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole. [17:12]
mircea_popescu the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it. [17:12]
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nubbins` <+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit [17:56]
nubbins` works about 20% of the time [17:56]
asciilifeform my favourite 'sheep experiment' is at a place not far from where i live, where one can rent 'sea bicycles' - little boats that one can pedal around. usually folks cluster together, for no good reason. pedal to an empty part of the water, and dozens follow... [17:58]
mircea_popescu lol [17:58]
mircea_popescu i hear that's how serial killers get started [17:58]
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asciilifeform it had no practical consequence, but blew my mind when i discovered it many years ago. [17:59]
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mircea_popescu no scoopbot, no peterl... wha happened here! [17:59]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl seems teh code didn't werk. [17:59]
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saifedean "so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer... [18:00]
mircea_popescu now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad. [18:01]
mircea_popescu you are not a prehistoric man. you will never be one. [18:02]
saifedean But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't! [18:02]
* asciilifeform can't wait to see folks follow the 'logical' paleo conclusion, and climb back into the trees [18:02]
mike_c which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization? [18:03]
saifedean "what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal. [18:03]
asciilifeform mike_c: the part when you're high out of your mind on placebocin [18:03]
mike_c placebocin is the best drugz [18:04]
mircea_popescu saifedean you'll generally find poor people foods are better than "rich people" foods. [18:04]
mircea_popescu pork an' beans ftw. [18:04]
saifedean also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you. [18:04]
mike_c pork & rice & beans even better [18:05]
mircea_popescu srsly, that's your idea, instead of a nice pot of beans cooked with a smoked leg over a day and a night [18:05]
mircea_popescu you want to just eat the leg ? [18:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c i dun care for rice in that one, but hey, matter of ethnocentric taste. [18:05]
mircea_popescu ;;ud art de vany [18:05]
gribble http://ro.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vany%20Vicious | Tattoo Artist and Model from Miami,FL. ... Vany Vicious is a hardcore bitch. ... de TatooLoverYEah 10 Ianuarie 2012 adaugă un clip video adaugă o imagine. [18:05]
asciilifeform dietary cargo cults are mega-lulz. [18:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw, [18:06]
mircea_popescu and way the fuck beyond what i imagined posible. [18:06]
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mircea_popescu technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so. [18:07]
mircea_popescu punkman how's teh rating work ? [18:07]
punkman l1+l2 of assbot [18:07]
mircea_popescu lol mk. [18:08]
* asciilifeform wonders how often taleb-like figures wander into 'paleo' cult strange, after they really felt stronger - but not from eating raw antelope, but from the real win of being set free from workschwitz - that being, sleeping ad libitum. [18:08]
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mircea_popescu scalar sums of graphs still broken. [18:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, i just did that ? [18:08]
mircea_popescu it feels fine. [18:08]
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nubbins` fad diets are a pretty good lel [18:10]
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mircea_popescu as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too" [18:11]
nubbins` p just started keeping track of calories in/out and balancing carbs/protein/fat [18:11]
nubbins` it's been less than a year, she can deadlift her own body weight and has dropped ~30lbs :0 [18:12]
nubbins` i keep saying i won't be impressed til she can deadlift me, but secretly... ;p [18:12]
mircea_popescu who the fuck can't lift their own body weight [18:13]
mircea_popescu isn't that esentially what a chinup is ? [18:13]
* nubbins` thinks [18:14]
nubbins` there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets [18:14]
mircea_popescu but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight [18:14]
nubbins` you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up [18:15]
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mircea_popescu i guess, but you're left picking for straws here. [18:15]
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nubbins` i'd wager maybe three people in here can do a single chin-up [18:16]
mircea_popescu i thought you got all buthurt and pankake'd out on us, mr paleo man. [18:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i can do ten. [18:16]
saifedean heh... my butt is hurtproof, my internet connection, though [18:16]
nubbins` well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us [18:16]
nubbins` :P [18:16]
nubbins` anyway, try deadlifting your own weight on a barbell some time [18:16]
saifedean I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork. [18:16]
nubbins` and LMK how it goes. [18:16]
nubbins` saifedean pork is delicious and cheap [18:17]
nubbins` beef is the bottom of my list [18:17]
mircea_popescu incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ? [18:17]
nubbins` i think vex earned that crown [18:17]
saifedean though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all [18:17]
nubbins` i'd love to try reindeer [18:17]
mircea_popescu human is the best of all! [18:17]
nubbins` i'd try grass-fed human [18:18]
nubbins` avg sack of shit would prolly poison you [18:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia. [18:18]
nubbins` well i guess it's not the same thing at all then, is it :D [18:18]
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mircea_popescu but technique is not what i thought we were discussing here. [18:18]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger! [18:18]
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nubbins` if we're trying to equate chinups with deadlifts, technique is precisely what we're discussing [18:19]
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mircea_popescu i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power [18:19]
mircea_popescu i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit [18:19]
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saifedean The Art de Vany I mentioned is not the one that Urban dictionary turned up, it is this man: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/ [18:20]
assbot Art De Vany on Line - Results [18:20]
mircea_popescu can it be art vandalay ? [18:20]
saifedean 77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum [18:20]
mircea_popescu uh. [18:20]
nubbins` (a) in awe, yep (b) not even close [18:20]
nubbins` by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom [18:21]
nubbins` by eating like a normal person and not "paleo" (wtf!) she lost weight [18:21]
mircea_popescu saifedean if i add mah assassin cult to nubbins`'s here powerlifter chick, art vandalay guy is in a world of trouble. [18:21]
nubbins` but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together [18:21]
ben_vulpes i weary of this paleo proselytism [18:22]
mircea_popescu that's because you're not eating right [18:22]
mircea_popescu them wheats talking outta ya. [18:22]
nubbins` yeah dude [18:22]
nubbins` if god wanted you to eat cooked meat, he woulda installed a furnace in your throat [18:22]
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nubbins` er wait did paleo man have fire? [18:22]
mircea_popescu sources disagree. [18:23]
ben_vulpes reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi [18:23]
nubbins` did he have beef, pork, and chicken? [18:23]
saifedean hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult [18:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` mostly squirrel. [18:23]
nubbins` ah [18:23]
ben_vulpes new meaning to "spamgun" [18:23]
nubbins` so really, a paleo diet is raw squirrel meat, berries, occasional leaves for roughage [18:23]
nubbins` sounds totally healthy and easy for modern man to adapt to [18:23]
nubbins` i can see why it's popular [18:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal. [18:24]
mircea_popescu humans ate principally carcass. [18:24]
mircea_popescu they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade. [18:24]
nubbins` paleo timeshares [18:25]
saifedean nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works [18:25]
nubbins` "cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight" [18:25]
mircea_popescu nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1. [18:26]
nubbins` saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth [18:26]
nubbins` *from [18:26]
mircea_popescu saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent. [18:26]
nubbins` "our" bodies adjust to shit all the time [18:26]
nubbins` case in point: lactose [18:26]
mircea_popescu otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says" [18:27]
nubbins` you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill? [18:27]
saifedean nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly [18:27]
nubbins` and thye kept doing it and now i can eat pizza with impunity? [18:27]
nubbins` saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction [18:28]
mircea_popescu saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ? [18:28]
* nubbins` challenges himself to eliminate sourdough from diet [18:29]
nubbins` wait, that's retarded. no i don't. [18:29]
mircea_popescu but it'd be a challenge! and you're like, a 15 yo male. [18:29]
nubbins` haha [18:29]
nubbins` once upon a time [18:29]
saifedean mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting. [18:29]
mircea_popescu see, THAT's why you're fat nubbins. [18:29]
nubbins` i think i'm fat because i lead a sedentary lifestyle [18:29]
nubbins` but hey, tall skinny guys get pushed around [18:30]
mircea_popescu saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for. [18:30]
nubbins` ^ [18:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no they don't. [18:30]
saifedean that's a good start, but you need to also eat lots of animal fat, which is absolutely very good for you.. and you need to view doing carbs like an addiction, not a healthy food. [18:31]
ben_vulpes o.O [18:31]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzSjiDDtlIE [18:32]
assbot Trailer Park Boys - Smokes, Let's Go - YouTube [18:32]
mircea_popescu i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even! [18:32]
* nubbins` gazes at meat grinder, fridge full of shoulder, lack of potatoes in cupboard [18:32]
nubbins` tell me more about how to be healthy [18:33]
saifedean finally, "speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ?" < Absolutely, once you've tried a carbs-free girl, you'll never go back! [18:33]
nubbins` carbs-free :0 [18:33]
mircea_popescu lmao [18:33]
mircea_popescu that is quite not what i meant. [18:33]
mircea_popescu your analogy is broken, you don't eat 150k year old meat, so you don't eat paleo in THAT sense. [18:34]
ben_vulpes dafuq is trailer park boys [18:34]
mircea_popescu what i meant is, do you fuck like a paleo guy, if you try to eat like one. [18:34]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes sounds like a band of twinks. [18:34]
saifedean you should never fuck vegetarians. your should eat vegetarians. [18:34]
nubbins` mircea_popescu acetone-breath from ketogenic diet? i'd say he does. [18:34]
nubbins` ben_vulpes canadian television, it's uh, a thing [18:34]
mircea_popescu lol knock em out, fuck 'em raw [18:34]
mircea_popescu for maximum trollage points, that pua "executive executant" derp should rebrand his nonsense as paleo dating [18:35]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQc-ldoX3yI [18:35]
assbot My 10 Favorite Trailer Park Boys Moments - YouTube [18:35]
mircea_popescu now THAT'd be true scandal. hollyday derp has nfi how to "strategize", you don't attack large submissive groups like women. you attack small but desperate groups. [18:36]
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mircea_popescu jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot. [18:36]
saifedean well, my personal experience is that it does make a big difference to one's sex life... it raises testosterone levels beyond what is considered 'normal' levels today [18:36]
mircea_popescu what sort of a standardisation group is this! [18:36]
mircea_popescu saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ? [18:37]
saifedean no, you get to do more for your cock [18:37]
mircea_popescu so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ? [18:38]
saifedean that's a prerequisite for going paleo [18:38]
ben_vulpes blue dollar's been dropping? [18:39]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops. [18:39]
mircea_popescu it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt" [18:40]
mircea_popescu dollar took a nosedive to like 11s, almost what it was in spring. [18:40]
mircea_popescu back to 13 now tho. [18:40]
ben_vulpes more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh [18:41]
mircea_popescu well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves [18:41]
mircea_popescu and even shorter experience. [18:41]
mircea_popescu most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought. [18:41]
nubbins` pero... pero... [18:42]
mircea_popescu pero perro. [18:42]
nubbins` :D [18:43]
nubbins` perro por favor! [18:43]
mircea_popescu and in today's funny spanish por gringos : one way to say butt in spanish is... tonel. literally, tun. [18:45]
ben_vulpes "tu tonel pesa un tonel"? [18:46]
ben_vulpes uno [18:46]
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mircea_popescu i think it's a volume measure. [18:46]
BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx1Urpcyfw [18:46]
assbot Ultimate Sex Underwear Ballbra and UnderwearPockets on CBC Dragons Den s4 e.10 - YouTube [18:46]
ben_vulpes as in mash tun? [18:46]
mircea_popescu as in 8 barrels. [18:47]
mircea_popescu (to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway) [18:47]
ben_vulpes ha [18:47]
nubbins` dem weights & measures [18:48]
nubbins` my old man wrote a book once [18:48]
nubbins` i suppose the tun and the butt are in it [18:49]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell vexual http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/ there, just for you. [19:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:02]
assbot Venetian Republic and Find spiritual music. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:03]
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mircea_popescu http://www.artdevanyonline.com/uploads/3/1/1/9/3119807/header_images/1392752910.jpg << what the shit is going on in the 4th image ?! [19:16]
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mircea_popescu http://arthurdevany.com/case-experience.html "Estimated the delay to the production of “Once Upon A Wedding” caused by food poisoning of the cast and crew." [19:20]
assbot Case Experience - Arthur De Vany Consulting [19:20]
mircea_popescu "On behalf of Universal Studios, The project was to examine and estimate the impact of piracy on box-office revenues for Universal’s 2003 release of the motion picture The Hulk. Modeled the dynamics of box office revenue and its relation to the number of sites and downloads of a pirated copy." [19:21]
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mircea_popescu this guy's made a career out of numberology. [19:21]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ [19:22]
assbot Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [19:22]
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mircea_popescu wd. what gave it away ? [19:22]
BingoBoingo First blockquote [19:23]
mircea_popescu more power to ya. addy ? [19:23]
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BingoBoingo 1EJdNnzH9TaryxhS9Wg2VnSUqKHZgiJgx4 [19:24]
mircea_popescu http://www.artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2013/09/statins-and-exercise.html << incidentally, this is an excellent point. [19:25]
assbot Statins and Exercise - Art De Vany on Line [19:25]
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mircea_popescu more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons. [19:25]
mircea_popescu basically stuff is selected for that "does no harm" in a particularly short sighted definition of "no". [19:26]
mircea_popescu i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. [19:27]
BingoBoingo Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another. [19:27]
mircea_popescu much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight, [19:27]
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mircea_popescu the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here) [19:28]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in particular statins are an excellent example of this insanity. [19:28]
mircea_popescu "want to destroy your kidneys over 3 or so decades while curing yourself from something that's allegedly bad ? pay us 1k a year!" [19:28]
BingoBoingo Well cholesterol controlling medication has gone through this for a few generations already. [19:29]
mircea_popescu exactly. [19:29]
mircea_popescu i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?" [19:29]
mircea_popescu except, on a more subtle, thus more pernicious level. [19:29]
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mircea_popescu people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance. [19:30]
mircea_popescu that's a third of the us economy, and about 30% of the eu. [19:31]
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ben_vulpes i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this [19:33]
mircea_popescu go right ahead. [19:34]
BingoBoingo I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies [19:35]
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mircea_popescu tadalafil etc may be too soon to know. [19:35]
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mircea_popescu im pretty sure methotrexate is not on that list. [19:36]
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BingoBoingo tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject. [19:36]
mircea_popescu even so. [19:37]
BingoBoingo The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death" [19:38]
mircea_popescu this is a good objection [19:38]
mircea_popescu i mean, sulpha drugs are great [19:38]
mircea_popescu the notion of taking a pill a day for the rest of your life however ... [19:38]
mircea_popescu but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing. [19:38]
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BingoBoingo Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though... [19:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, off to eat. later all! [19:40]
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TomServo ;;bc,stats [19:52]
gribble Current Blocks: 329716 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39944661549.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86102 [19:52]
TomServo ;;ticker [19:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.1, Best ask: 420.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 420.1, 24 hour volume: 28154.26058302, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 421.13, 24 hour vwap: 392.399632228 [19:52]
TomServo Quite the ramp today. Surprised ThickAsTheives isn't around for all this action. [19:53]
BingoBoingo Yeah [19:55]
BingoBoingo Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump [19:57]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [20:03]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.13, Best ask: 434.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 434.13, 24 hour volume: 29965.14739803, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681 [20:03]
ben_vulpes dang lookit her go [20:03]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [20:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.35, Best ask: 432.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 432.05, 24 hour volume: 30185.42680255, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681 [20:05]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-prices-cross-430/ [20:06]
assbot Bitcoin Prices Cross $430 | Qntra.net [20:06]
punkman no more cheap coins [20:07]
BingoBoingo Wat, I just earned 0.1 BTC for reading Trilema, Vexual edition. [20:09]
gernika !s TaT [20:09]
assbot 1220 results for 'TaT' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=TaT [20:09]
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thestringpuller where is scoopbot [20:23]
thestringpuller scoopbot don't got the scoop? [20:23]
BingoBoingo The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work [20:23]
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punkman maybe I should setup RSS plugin for notarybot [20:24]
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thestringpuller notarybot is merging with scoopbot? [20:30]
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punkman probably not [20:31]
punkman notary, status [20:31]
notary punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 day, 12 hours, and 28 minutes ago [20:31]
punkman I like typing that [20:31]
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thestringpuller notary, make sandwich [20:35]
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danielpbarron !b 4 [20:38]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CDPKSX.txt ) [20:38]
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BingoBoingo notary, echo ;;ticker [20:42]
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BingoBoingo Debian lulz https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00144.html [20:47]
assbot Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] [20:47]
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BingoBoingo !up saifedean [20:48]
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saifedean thanks for the voice bingoboingo [20:51]
BingoBoingo You're welcome [20:51]
thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded [20:52]
saifedean What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin? [21:01]
thestringpuller they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on) [21:02]
thestringpuller they seem to be late to parties a lot too [21:03]
nubbins` winkdex is best dex [21:03]
nubbins` can't trust them jaws tho [21:03]
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nubbins` two days ago i realized i'd been waiting a month and a half for 18 unfiltered uv tubes from acklands-grainger [21:06]
nubbins` "fuck those assholes, i'm buying from somewhere else" [21:06]
nubbins` today i get an email saying my bulbs have arrived :0 [21:07]
asciilifeform jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 [21:08]
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thestringpuller good 'ol hanbot [21:11]
nubbins` neither that good nor that old [21:12]
thestringpuller she is the evil twin [21:13]
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thestringpuller i would assume that is just a box that leads to a shredder [21:17]
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nubbins` ;;google teeth (2007) [21:20]
gribble Teeth (2007) - IMDb: ; Teeth (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Teeth (2007) - Movie Trailer - YouTube: [21:20]
* nubbins` guffaws [21:20]
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nubbins` was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide? [21:21]
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assbot Shall be Delivered | The Whet [21:22]
asciilifeform 'shall be delivered' << imho the single most educational piece of crypto-related fiction ever written. [21:23]
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asciilifeform belongs on the mandatory reading list for cultured people of the future, right next to 'the cold equations' [21:24]
thestringpuller It is national novel writing month [21:27]
asciilifeform that tale carries much of the blame for luring me into this den of vice. [21:28]
asciilifeform l0l [21:30]
thestringpuller the end of the story reminds me of scene from rashomon [21:31]
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nubbins` nanowrimo [21:37]
thestringpuller ^- yup. [21:38]
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asciilifeform http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2013/cmsc417/public/assignments/project_bitCoin.pdf << lol. 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework assignment.' [22:01]
mircea_popescu lol [22:04]
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mircea_popescu assbot: [22:12]
mircea_popescu Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] << bwhahaha [22:12]
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mircea_popescu anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world. [22:18]
mircea_popescu therein included, stuff that merely promises the possibility of it, such as debian. [22:18]
asciilifeform news at 11 is exactly right. this has been going on for a long, long time, have to be blind not to see [22:18]
mircea_popescu leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait. [22:19]
mircea_popescu what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff" [22:19]
mircea_popescu or, for that matter, the world trade center bombing. [22:19]
mircea_popescu the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V, [22:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also must understand the 'good cop / bad cop' dynamic here. the buggers lure folks to their sugary 'imponade' (see naggum) by, among other things, sabotaging the rest of the universe [22:20]
mircea_popescu how did that go exactly, [22:20]
mircea_popescu Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re [22:21]
mircea_popescu main united. Those caught tonight in violation of curfew will be considered in league with our enemy and prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception. Tonight, I give you my most solemn vow: that justice will be swift, it will be righteous, and it will be without mercy. [22:21]
mircea_popescu there we go. [22:21]
mircea_popescu now, if it actually also worked, it may count for something. it doesn't work, so i guess it's good for lulz. [22:21]
asciilifeform lol! i actually saw that film for the first time a few days ago. [22:21]
mircea_popescu it's a pretty good filn. [22:21]
mircea_popescu so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420 [22:22]
asciilifeform waterfall's being recharged as we speak. [22:22]
thestringpuller well waterfall no longer has use [22:23]
mircea_popescu nobody ever won a war by being stupid. [22:23]
asciilifeform all the 'sr2' et. al. schmucks are grunting in the cellars, confessing keys. [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it wasn't all that big. [22:23]
mircea_popescu it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops [22:23]
mircea_popescu the two major marketplaces were unaffected [22:24]
mircea_popescu at least so teh intel tells me. [22:24]
mircea_popescu actual total loot, <2k. [22:24]
thestringpuller lol you have a spy ring now nao? [22:24]
asciilifeform 2k << enough for small planetoid. [22:24]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c [22:24]
thestringpuller tinker tailor soldier spy! [22:25]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller: [22:27]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process" [22:27]
assbot optimists comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork [22:27]
mircea_popescu which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it. [22:28]
mircea_popescu the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards. [22:28]
asciilifeform everyone wants... gavin's is just the one that emerged << precisely same verbiage as the pro-poettering useful idiots. vox derpuli, vox dei! [22:28]
mircea_popescu what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd. [22:28]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... [22:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform right./ [22:28]
thestringpuller so this is all plan to get away with hard fork in future? [22:29]
mircea_popescu it's "political groundwork" or w/e you call it. [22:29]
mircea_popescu basically, feminism for code. [22:29]
mircea_popescu anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready. [22:30]
mircea_popescu but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online. [22:30]
thestringpuller i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be: [22:31]
mircea_popescu ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading. [22:31]
thestringpuller "Thou shalt not hardfork" [22:31]
mircea_popescu in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally. [22:33]
mircea_popescu at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side. [22:33]
thestringpuller he does seem too "dull" to have his own agenda. [22:33]
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thestringpuller i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot. [22:35]
mircea_popescu -/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */ [22:35]
mircea_popescu 67 -static const unsigned int LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD = 500000000; // Tue Nov 5 00:53:20 1985 UTC [22:35]
mircea_popescu random lulz. [22:35]
mircea_popescu because magic numbers and stuff. [22:36]
thestringpuller too many to count [22:36]
mircea_popescu nobody knows why not make it 1bn lol. [22:36]
thestringpuller why ask for billions when you can get millions? [22:37]
mircea_popescu it passed in 2001, it would allow sane biteshifts etc. [22:37]
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mircea_popescu sheeeit, i paid ppl 5 btc to write stories ? [22:39]
mircea_popescu truely i am a broken hand in the chest of bitcoins. [22:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila [22:40]
mircea_popescu shows up to receive it. [22:40]
mircea_popescu by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier : [22:43]
thestringpuller princess leia* (sorry) [22:43]
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mircea_popescu this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins. [22:44]
mircea_popescu back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia [22:45]
mircea_popescu (and other things offlabel, like psoriasis) [22:45]
mircea_popescu the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar. [22:45]
mircea_popescu soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin. [22:46]
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mircea_popescu as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia. [22:47]
asciilifeform folks who are n00bs re: pharma racket - the above is SOP. [22:47]
mircea_popescu and this is all okay, because well... science. [22:47]
mircea_popescu so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam, [22:48]
mircea_popescu and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?" [22:48]
mircea_popescu well... [22:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public. [22:49]
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mircea_popescu and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer. [22:52]
mircea_popescu the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction. [22:53]
mircea_popescu who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves. [22:54]
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empyex jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [23:08]
empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (107 milliseconds), mpex.ws (107 milliseconds), mpex.bz (107 milliseconds), mpex.co (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (474 milliseconds) [23:08]
empyex jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [23:08]
mircea_popescu jurov looking into it. [23:13]
mircea_popescu jurov http://mpex.co/db_dump.php you see that ? [23:14]
mircea_popescu .ws seems to have divorced itself from the mothership [23:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230104 @ 0.00064071 = 147.4299 BTC [+] {9} [23:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101800 @ 0.00063753 = 64.9006 BTC [-] {7} [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137208 @ 0.00064302 = 88.2275 BTC [+] {10} [23:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167487 @ 0.00064265 = 107.6355 BTC [-] {7} [23:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124972 @ 0.00064056 = 80.0521 BTC [-] {8} [23:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39807 @ 0.00064749 = 25.7746 BTC [+] {2} [23:28]
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mircea_popescu !up jborkl_ [23:42]
-assbot- You voiced jborkl_ for 30 minutes. [23:42]
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jborkl_ thank you [23:43]
asciilifeform you send them << wai me? [23:43]
nubbins` why do i have to send the letter, i wrote the damn thing [23:46]
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mircea_popescu omg it sends the letter or it gets the hose again [23:49]
asciilifeform jurov: i signed my patches. so if sent, from whatever addr, they should be displayed. (with note that one user signed.) [23:49]
ben_vulpes rather bad form. [23:49]
asciilifeform jurov: once someone (you, ben_vulpes, whoever) reads them - can also sign, and display will read 'two people signed...' [23:50]
mircea_popescu he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ? [23:50]
asciilifeform where are they << http://therealbitcoin.org [23:51]
mircea_popescu ok, dun get jurov angry, email the stuff lol [23:51]
nubbins` do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days [23:55]
jborkl_ I was looking for any practical advice on monetizing my site, did not know if any of you had some (advice) on this matter? [23:55]
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mike_c jborkl_: throw up a bitbet ad with your referral address. [23:56]
nubbins` ooo i just found 100 sheets of paper i didn't know i had [23:56]
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nubbins` scoopbot what's the scoop [23:57]
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jborkl_ i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c [23:58]
jborkl_ thanks [23:58]
asciilifeform sent a patch to turdatron. no worky. [23:59]
mike_c referral money is simply CPA instead of CPM (actions instead of clicks). it should do as well as traditional ads, and likely better given you don't have an ad sales team. [23:59]
asciilifeform this is getting rather tiresome. [23:59]
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