Forum logs for 12 Nov 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
diametric | http://securelist.com/analysis/publications/67483/stuxnet-zero-victims/ | [00:01] |
assbot | Stuxnet: Zero Victims - Securelist | [00:01] |
cazalla | ddos back or something? | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | looking. | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | there's something afoot with the dns service worldwide tho | [00:03] |
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mircea_popescu | a they found the domains huh. | [00:05] |
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asciilifeform | stuxnet << as i described in my article 'don't blame the mice' - imho, iran doesn't really want to live. how we know this? if they wanted to live, there would have been a public impalement of whoever said 'everyone runs winblows, it's ok for us to' | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the only thing ever in deficit in the world is the working brain and the erect penis. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | everything else is forever abundant. and so... they may well wish to live | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | but who among trhem can think ? | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i can't say that i agree. they're cheap as dust. but very far, typically, from the 'levers of power' | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | maybe our definitions of working differ. | [00:08] |
undata | this topic might help me understand something, if someone wishes to explain | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: e.g., i like to imagine that i had 'working brain', yet here i am 'on mars', far away. | [00:09] |
undata | Iran to me is a great example of why strict authoritarian systems do not work | [00:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform is the engine spinning on the test bed a working engine or not ? | [00:09] |
undata | but to ask a different question, how do we end up with authorities who are rational? | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | till you get your wheels on you're just a prototype. a good one, sure, but... | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: test bed << if the proper kind, with simulated loads - aye | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | undata wot ? | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i don't agree. it doesn't do any work. | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | iran authoritarian << poor country, and, afaik, run by populistic idiots generously helped by foreign wreckers from half the globe | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform there's a much larger issue there. iran is mostly ethnially persian. the leadership, ethnically arab. on their own, the arabs are usually poor. therefore they depend on govt dole. | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | doesn't do any work << usually folks ask 'if x works' with the understanding that x may be on a shelf, in a crate, has not been used in anger yet | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | exactly manchuko scenario replaying itself. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | what used to be fearless warriors are now blind old dependants. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i don't disagree the brain works. im just saying, it's not working till it does work. | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | manchuko << interesting and explains things | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise endlessly spinning the "simulated loads" of bezzle is a great way to keep a great engine away from the road. | [00:13] |
undata | mircea_popescu: my question is how a parasitic overclass is avoided if one is to believe in soverignty and aristocracy? | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | what's your definition of "parasitic" ? | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | manking lives off the soil. | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | mankind* | [00:13] |
undata | mircea_popescu: one that eventually wears out the thing underneath, leading to collapse | [00:14] |
undata | maybe that's just the nature of it | [00:14] |
undata | I'm not convinced I'm asking the right question. | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | listen, until you start doing your own photosinthesis, you can be accused of being "parasitic" | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | it's like accusing someone of us "rape". do they have a penis ? well.... | [00:14] |
undata | sure, but there's a question of degree there | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, and that question is called politics. | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | the apportioning of penance among the universally guilty humans, the temproal role of the church, | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | the first central government | [00:15] |
undata | so the answer in Iran's case is "because an adjacent sovereign is not fit enough to destroy them?" | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | they're just lazy and stupid. | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | could also say "they're letting the women lead much to their detriment" | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | middle easterners have this problem. | [00:16] |
mod6 | asciilifeform: are you the author of these patches? : rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz https-snipsnip.tar.gz turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz goodbye-win32.tar.gz ? | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | mod6: yes | [00:23] |
diametric | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/starttls-downgrade-attacks | [00:23] |
assbot | ISPs Removing Their Customers' Email Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | mod6: except the 1st | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 shouldn't you be able to tell ? | [00:23] |
ben_vulpes | not rm_rf_upnp you aren't | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: aha, i think you wrote that one | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: i already forgot most of this | [00:23] |
mod6 | mircea_popescu: eh yeah, just making sure i guess, those wern't posted to the mailing list. | [00:23] |
ben_vulpes | gpg --verify should spit out the author | [00:23] |
ben_vulpes | i've been a busy boy it's true | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | diametric i bet you it's a "cost saving measure" | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | ^^^^ | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | "Some of the action is bound to be quite shocking; for instance, while the elites and the oligarchs themselves are rather well defended, at least initially, their children, ensconced in various elite schools, academies and universities, comprise a soft target, setting the stage for school take-overs, mass kidnappings and shootings of a very different sort from the ones seen to date. " | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | so orlovs' prediction is that in the near future i will be able to order oligarch underage daughter prostitute to my hotel room in odessa ? | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: well sure, more like hotel in london | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | why would i go to fucking london. | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | i'd rather BE the prostitute. | [00:26] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: idk why to go to london. just following mr. o's thoughts. | [00:28] |
ben_vulpes | at the risk of point out the obvious if you can afford the bundling and transportation, you could have them in odessa | [00:29] |
asciilifeform | odessa is under american occupation atm, afaik | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | (well, more precisely, nato's unofficial little shitgnomes) | [00:31] |
mats_cd03 | such hostility | [00:32] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ | [00:38] |
gribble | log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is up | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform kinda my point. | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes yeah, but the idea is for it to be done for free. | [00:40] |
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mircea_popescu | generally, that's the formative experience of failure. when one's daughters are given away as objects to they in the other system, because even as objects there they are still worth more than were they to stay in their parents' own system, much like infinitely nothing of something is still more than absolutely all of nothing whatsoever. | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | which is, i guess, what "traditional marriage" is all about. | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | jurov so give it a look let me know ? | [00:43] |
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asciilifeform | !s decaying urbits | [00:58] |
assbot | 6 results for 'decaying urbits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=decaying+urbits | [00:58] |
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asciilifeform | mathematicized, 'proofy' programming is one part grantsmanship, two parts organized pseudoscience, one part enemy disinfo. | [00:59] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846642 | [01:00] |
assbot | Logged on 27-09-2014 02:45:16; asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-. | [01:00] |
asciilifeform | (see also that entire thread.) | [01:00] |
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mats_cd03 | yep, read it | [01:05] |
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mircea_popescu | 12-08-2014 05:29:50
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punkman | just the comments that followed | [01:20] |
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mircea_popescu | kk | [01:21] |
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gernika | It's hard to go for more than a year here without the company you're working for being sold. | [01:30] |
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mircea_popescu | !up TheShrander | [01:43] |
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mircea_popescu | gernika i can see it. | [01:43] |
undata | gernika: when I was 16 I worked for a software company which persuaded staff (myself excluded of course) to alter their stock options unfavorably given that they subsequently sold out to HP | [01:46] |
undata | that was a formative experience | [01:46] |
gernika | undata Pretty sure the same thing happened to me about 3 years ago. | [01:47] |
gernika | term sheet change, sell company | [01:47] |
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TheShrander | i'm gonna hold a speech about the WoT in Italy next month. mircea_popescu we have already talk weeks ago, i'm wyrdmantis, remember? | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | yea. | [01:52] |
BingoBoingo | dignork TomServo: Ty | [01:52] |
cazalla | dignork: a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then: http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD <<< thanks, it's a bit of an improvement for mobile | [01:57] |
assbot | dpaste: 0D7MGFD | [01:57] |
cazalla | oh, you doing same thing BingoBoingo ? | [01:57] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: I was, but... you can go ahead | [01:57] |
cazalla | done | [01:59] |
TheShrander | i'm trying get some more people here, so they can understand and not waste money in fucking startups... we will see :D | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | cool. | [02:01] |
scoopbot | New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2014/thinking-you-can-infer-the-meaning-of-new-words-still-eviling-strong/ | [02:03] |
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mircea_popescu | RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/ << the 8th note you will prolly find of interest. | [02:16] |
assbot | The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [02:16] |
RagnarDanneskjol | oh yes very interesting indeed - I read it before - always get more the second time around. thank | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | i just published it | [02:19] |
RagnarDanneskjol | oh -the title looked familiar | [02:20] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if orlov's a paid muppet, when do i get paid. | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | why would you get paid ? | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | (what's sadder, paid shilling, or pro bono muppetry?) | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin" | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | muppetry is hard work yo. | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | mostly on account of i can't be bothered to give a shit. | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | well ? | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | so then, again...why would you get paid ? | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | but i give enough of a miniature shit to link mr. o | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | lol | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | so wait, you COULD be a tailor ? cuz yo usorta like cut stuff now and again ? | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | this is your argument for payment ? | [02:23] |
asciilifeform | 'whore, on account of the equipment' heh. | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | quite. | [02:23] |
RagnarDanneskjol | this is the one i was thinking of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ - also worth rereading | [02:25] |
assbot | The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | ah. | [02:25] |
gernika | Was Orlov paid first, and then he started writing? Or the other way around? | [02:25] |
asciilifeform | iirc that's the one where 'we need a new fleanode' | [02:26] |
gernika | Blog until you make it? | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | gernika the kgb does not recruit nobodies for this role. | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | either he's an officer, which is weird, but weird is not new in the game ; or else he's just yet another aspiring-talking head, except not working for X company but Y, or else i'm wrong. | [02:27] |
gernika | I could see him as the "social media" branch of a wider effort that includes RT. | [02:28] |
mircea_popescu | me too. | [02:28] |
mircea_popescu | has he ever linked to rt ? | [02:28] |
asciilifeform | let's posit paid muppetry. what is the client getting for his money? | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | "buzz" | [02:29] |
asciilifeform | 'demoralize decadent west.' but why take a contract out on a corpse? | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | what does any other derp paying for "online marketing" ? | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | it's not quite as simple as all that. | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform remember that rather accurate depiction of "typical agent" ? | [02:29] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | how the fuck do you expect to reach him ? | [02:30] |
asciilifeform | the one with the junkyard, yes | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | well ? | [02:30] |
asciilifeform | that one had a perfectly pedestrian military logic. | [02:30] |
asciilifeform | what's the logic here? | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | if you wish to reach those guys, how do you do it ? | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | put up a craigslist ad ? | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | do it on reddit ? on twitter ? | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | your best bet is exactly what orlov is doing. | [02:31] |
asciilifeform | in the classic book, you had a fella going up to the junkyard keeper, offering him a bag of benjies 'for almost nothing' | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | sorta fringe-y, sorta-angry but not really, "let's make a new alphabet" | [02:31] |
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scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-thorny-problem-of-violence-or-the-miracle-of-the-talking-ass/ | [02:33] |
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gernika | !s typical agent | [02:33] |
assbot | 0 results for 'typical agent' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=typical+agent | [02:33] |
asciilifeform | gernika: http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html | [02:33] |
asciilifeform | (the piece in question) | [02:33] |
asciilifeform | 'A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something like this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and ha | [02:34] |
asciilifeform | s never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid...' | [02:34] |
asciilifeform | the piece concerned folks who were given the job of preparing hidey-holes and providing materiel, however | [02:35] |
asciilifeform | rather than 'influence agents' | [02:35] |
asciilifeform | so perhaps mircea_popescu was thinking of another. | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform again, how do you FIND these guys ? | [02:36] |
asciilifeform | legwork. | [02:36] |
BingoBoingo | !s Hal Turner | [02:36] |
asciilifeform | same way i might find a mechanic | [02:36] |
assbot | 2 results for 'Hal Turner' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Hal+Turner | [02:36] |
asciilifeform | or drywall master | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform specifically, legwork. orlov's blog, is that legwork ? | [02:36] |
asciilifeform | let's play this 'chess' a few moves in | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | say one bites. | [02:37] |
gernika | Orlov reminds me of detective who has you in the interrogation room. He somehow befriends himself to you and makes you think he wants to help you. He lays out your options. Cooperate and you get life. Otherwise death. | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform aha ? | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | picture the letter: 'dear mr.o, where can i park my mystery crate that certainly does not contain a rocket launcher.' | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | or the like. | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | unless i dramatically fail to grok how this works, a public blog is very much not the correct tool in the box for this. | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | let's model it properly. you're the kgb special assets chain of command, and i'm orlov. | [02:38] |
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mircea_popescu | now, propose a situation, sketch a plan and give me an order. | [02:39] |
asciilifeform | i thought the hypothetical was that mr. o is the commander. | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | lol get out. | [02:39] |
asciilifeform | or at least a controlled muppet | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | well yes. | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | think cc server - rooted box. i'm the rooted box. say something to me! | [02:40] |
asciilifeform | so, let's cast mr. o as muppet in charge of volunteer recruitment. | [02:40] |
asciilifeform | moscow says 'find us some useful morons' | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | error #1 : unspecific command ; ignoring. | [02:40] |
asciilifeform | moscow: 'we need to park a http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2014#917246 within 10km of 'camp david.'' | [02:41] |
assbot | Logged on 11-11-2014 15:03:50; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWJrpA8FnE | [02:41] |
mircea_popescu | select from blog_derps where location within 50 miles and factor 1..n in $criteria or has car etc | [02:42] |
asciilifeform | except that if mr. o were so 'open' to volunteers, he'd be grunting in the oubliette with mr. nyc deathray | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | obviously. | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | but this is a technical objection. | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | if the car worked on an ideal carnot cycle it'd be pretty much fireworks show | [02:44] |
asciilifeform | so one would have to posit some magic-trick in his pocket to explain why he is still around and kicking. | [02:44] |
mircea_popescu | maybe he's not done anything useful yet. | [02:45] |
mircea_popescu | maybe he's been lucky so far | [02:45] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck knows, it's a shitty life the junkies, whores and assets lead. | [02:45] |
asciilifeform | not saying that this is an impossible picture. | [02:45] |
asciilifeform | just that it fails on a few basics. for one thing, ru recruiters traditionally false-flag. | [02:46] |
asciilifeform | (bugger: 'i wouldn't work for no russian scum' agent: 'aha, but we're mossad, friendlies, dontchaknow') | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | i haven't a clue if they mostly do or don't. | [02:47] |
BingoBoingo | Why won't people learn to pastebin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2L0hRICAAAAKSg.png:large | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | which year is this ? | [02:47] |
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mircea_popescu | "a stunted copulation between a woman who hadn’t been laid in decades and a man who interrogated mattress springs for a living" | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell hanbot win | [02:48] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [02:48] |
asciilifeform | (most folks, apparently, feel less 'edgy' re: the idea of muppeting for a small-time intelligence agency, than ru or us) | [02:51] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: if you happen to have a w4r3z link to 'running rings of spies' by 'paladin press', it has some (authenticated and not) case studies. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform most folk get this idea that "they're in control of their own life" and that "they won't have to do anything they don't want to do" and so... | [02:53] |
asciilifeform | very elegantly described in that tome. | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | what's the worst that can happen. and nobody reads anyway, and who's going to figure anything out | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | or keep tabs. | [02:53] |
asciilifeform | in a, i dare say, psychiatric style. | [02:53] |
asciilifeform | (an intelligence case officer is a kind of psychiatrist, in the same sense that a sniper is a type of surgeon) | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | i like it when hirelings go "hello micrea". on a first name basis with people you don't even know the first name of ? way to fail multiple times per line! | [02:54] |
asciilifeform | micrea?! | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | apparently. | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | snatislav! | [02:55] |
BingoBoingo | Micrea is the cleanshaven alternate universe version | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | maybe it should be my stage name. Mic Rhea | [02:56] |
* | asciilifeform has read such letters, yes | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform at least it didn't get all the way to snotislav or something | [02:56] |
asciilifeform | 'they called him rheostat. for the knob he twisted to turn up the current when they ended up in his chair.' | [02:56] |
ben_vulpes | rheostan | [02:58] |
thestringpuller | !s from:asciilifeform regex | [02:58] |
assbot | 0 results for 'from:asciilifeform regex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+regex | [02:58] |
asciilifeform | regex? | [02:58] |
thestringpuller | ^- did i do it wrong | [02:58] |
undata | thestringpuller: wrong string. | [02:58] |
thestringpuller | undata: did they remove the from: tag? | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | there is to: | [02:59] |
undata | thestringpuller: not a clue | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | ~_~ | [02:59] |
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asciilifeform | 'ring of spies' << when does #b-a get own w4r3z ftp? | [03:00] |
asciilifeform | 'instant file hosting' crud - sucks. | [03:01] |
undata | asciilifeform: spend magnet links into the blockchain? | [03:01] |
undata | maybe I'll write that this weekend | [03:01] |
asciilifeform | magnet links << and who seeds? you? | [03:01] |
undata | asciilifeform: same question as who hosts, isn't it? | [03:02] |
undata | of course you could get fancier and do some darknet thing | [03:02] |
asciilifeform | point is not even entirely to host w4r3z - this is not an entirely unsolved problem - but to demonstrate 'fortress.' | [03:02] |
thestringpuller | torrent boxes paid for with btc | [03:02] |
asciilifeform | expensive proposition if they have short life expectancy. | [03:03] |
ben_vulpes | temporary storage paid for with btc | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | see above | [03:03] |
thestringpuller | host on #b-a satellite in space | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | lol. | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform im not so sure there's that much validity to that demonstration. | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | the entire us carrier approach to war is expensive and unwieldy. | [03:04] |
asciilifeform | not only this, but it helps to be able to link to a document in a thread. | [03:05] |
asciilifeform | instead of crapping out a 'go find it, it's there somewhere on the net' | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | anything specific ? | [03:05] |
asciilifeform | 'spies' | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | the thing linked above ? | [03:05] |
asciilifeform | aha | [03:05] |
asciilifeform | a curious little vintage monograph | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | so what's the problem ? | [03:06] |
asciilifeform | iirc i posted it once, to a 'file host' thing, but of course long gone. | [03:06] |
BingoBoingo | I've located a copy. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=running+rings+of+spies+kickass.to&t=canonical | [03:06] |
assbot | running rings of spies kickass.to at DuckDuckGo | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | !s suvorov6 | [03:06] |
assbot | 0 results for 'suvorov6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=suvorov6 | [03:06] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: that's not a copy | [03:06] |
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mircea_popescu | dat tokenization. anyway, iirc it was on the same place last tiem | [03:07] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: the top link is to a torrent which may or may not be alive | [03:07] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: It's a path that leads to a copy, that lives | [03:07] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: and may or may not be the actual scan or a questionable ocr turd | [03:07] |
BingoBoingo | Pretty shitty photoscan, but scan | [03:07] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: i want to link to an actual document. with a known sha2. | [03:07] |
asciilifeform | or it isn't a real discussion. | [03:07] |
* | undata will just write said magnet link thing and report back | [03:08] |
BingoBoingo | That's a harder problem. | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform lemme see here. | [03:08] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: this is a different piece, not suvorov | [03:08] |
undata | seems like seeding a trackerless torrent with your thing and a signature of the thing solves this | [03:08] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: american 'can't say exactly who i was' vietnam vet. | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | the ideal would be to have a permanent file storage that works by incrementally adding chickens to the task | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | but taking chickens away degrades performance but not storage ? | [03:09] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [03:09] |
BingoBoingo | Known sha2 for scans of print text is a very hard problem unless designated agent goes to Paladin press, buys dead trees, and signs hashlists | [03:09] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: easy problem if canonical scan. | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo the other way. | [03:09] |
asciilifeform | as in, the one you and i read. | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | just make a scan. | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform incidentally, there is a lot of overlap between the problem of packing bits and the problems of blockchain and crypto isn;'t there. | [03:10] |
asciilifeform | packing bits? | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | lzw or w/e | [03:10] |
asciilifeform | the spittoon is all in one strand, yes | [03:11] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: but perhaps you had something more specific in mind | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | well, the problem ehre is this : immutable datastore comes with the problem of, who may add to it. | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | if not, straight to spam pile. | [03:11] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i assume you studied some of the known bitcoin predecessors. | [03:11] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck, whoever made this scan isn't very good at the whole scanning books business | [03:11] |
asciilifeform | there was one called 'eternity' | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | myeah. | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform in short, your complaint is legitimate but the solution unobvious. | [03:12] |
asciilifeform | in fact, many folks arrived at 'proof of work' and something akin to our current concept of 'blockchain' by attempting to answer the 'who gets to add bits' question. | [03:12] |
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asciilifeform | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/eternity/eternity.html | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | ^ that one. | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | and a few others | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | ('eternity' was one of the more braindamaged ones, so perhaps that wasn't it) | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | problem goes deeper : if "who can add is finite" then you have a point of failure baked in quite nastily. | [03:14] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, the current state of the web, 50% or more linkrotted away | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | is clear testament to this being a major problem. | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | i know i've ranted about it on occasion. | [03:15] |
asciilifeform | it's a serious problem, and folks who don't routinely discuss 20+ year old, moderately-obscure documents don't even know the beginning of it. | [03:15] |
asciilifeform | it goes beyond 'where do i put l337 w4r3z' | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | how about this canonical formulation of it : most of what i know i know alone, because the "internet" is made out of knowledge in the sense the earth is made out of grass. | [03:16] |
asciilifeform | warez censor is not the only mouse in the warehouse. there's moth and dust, father time. | [03:16] |
undata | asciilifeform: what about torrent sites with seed ratio requirements? They seem to have done well as archives, even of the obscure. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | and the body out of hair | [03:17] |
asciilifeform | undata: 'obscure' here is almost by definition - that which is not found on 'pirate bay' and the like | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform how's the russian thing work ? mostly as undata's idea, right ? loosely affiliated, % enforcing warez sites | [03:18] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [03:18] |
asciilifeform | it also works by having some specificity - as in, 'only books that were actual books once' | [03:18] |
asciilifeform | and the language barrier mostly (not always!) keeps enemy at bay | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i'll tell you something about obscure. perhaps the best franchise in the history of western pornography is kink.com. best in purely aesthetic terms. now, their various brands, things such as i dunno, publichumiliation exist on the piratebay in the sense of maybe a dozen items out of what, 500 ? 1k total ? | [03:19] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: none of the major 'libraries' have '% ratios' though | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | suppose i wanted to do something of the substance of actual reason, knowledge, science. da fuck do i do ? pray ? | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | imagine if libraries of the paper variety were organised on the principle that "well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books" | [03:20] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: another example. want w4r3z copy of 'winblows' ? easy as fart. want the leaked microshit source? (why!?!? but that's another question) - harder. | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | rather than "we have every book ever made" | [03:20] |
asciilifeform | though it's out there. | [03:20] |
asciilifeform | well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books << prison library. | [03:20] |
undata | the sites I'm thinking of solve this by making upload credits capital you spend on download, effectively | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | in fact, the way digital stuff is handled, it reminds me of how books would be handled in the house a functionally illiterate peasant from the 1900s. | [03:21] |
undata | it seems that kind of incentive structure could be tweaked to reward preserving the obscure | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | "and here is where we keep the books" . "what's in them ? " " letter" | [03:21] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: that's precisely it. | [03:21] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: reminds me of a tale from the pet. she was once given a bag of 'books' by a 'friend' who vaguely recalled that she 'likes reading books.' | [03:21] |
asciilifeform | (it was all crud long-overdue for the recycling vats from the moment of printing, naturally) | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | careful what she says, next she gets a bag of fucks. | [03:22] |
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mircea_popescu | but the problem is not merely storage. retrieval is up there too. consider the simple task "let us watc ha movie". the girls now have to find one. i've distributed more lashes for failure to find good films than for all other reasons combined, in 2014. | [03:23] |
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asciilifeform | undata: you need 'wot' baked in or you get idiots gaming the ratio system, the way they did on 1990s bbs. | [03:23] |
asciilifeform | zip-o-crud generators. | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | while the exercise is instructive, i don't really believe it's the girls' fault exactly. | [03:23] |
undata | asciilifeform: certainly | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | how do you find a good film ? | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | as in, "only films that were actually films once" | [03:23] |
asciilifeform | this, as often is, - is one of the 'insufficient wot in extant system' cases. | [03:24] |
undata | given a BTC transaction which represents an "item" in the catalog, there could as well be transactions which refer to that one and rate it | [03:24] |
undata | and so on. | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform which is why the "unspecified" website i asked for someone to make a month ago and punkman volunteered is EXACTLY a wot-driven film database. | [03:25] |
asciilifeform | (for reading fiction, some folks actually use primitive 'wot' systems like 'goodreads') | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | "see the films that people you trust liked" | [03:25] |
asciilifeform | http://bookriot.com/2012/07/31/goodreads-v-librarything-part-one | [03:25] |
assbot | Goodreads v. LibraryThing- Part One - BOOK RIOT | [03:25] |
asciilifeform | (a review of the very primitive state of the art) | [03:26] |
asciilifeform | for film - no idea, if exists | [03:26] |
asciilifeform | !s kyristor | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | ure it exists. "metacritic rating" | [03:26] |
assbot | 7 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | hear what five hundred internet imbeciles thought about racism in THIS film | [03:26] |
asciilifeform | ^ my ancient failed attempt at 'wot.' was to be used with another (never happened) apparatus, 'sollipse,' for running a 'multiverse' of wots. | [03:27] |
asciilifeform | (an individual could be a 'node' on any number of orthogonal wots, such as film tastes, mathematics, etc) | [03:27] |
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mircea_popescu | this is where it's headed. | [03:28] |
asciilifeform | in the sense that it is the only solution - yes. | [03:28] |
asciilifeform | in fact, 'reddit' gizmos can be seen as a specially broken case of wot - having the same relationship to wot as baited rat poison has to food | [03:29] |
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mircea_popescu | as per http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ :) | [03:29] |
assbot | Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [03:29] |
asciilifeform | which is, that to the victim's nose it distantly resembles the real thing - but has an ulterior motive baked in. | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | mircea_popescu The idea being that any current “social media” website is a defective implementation of the WoT, what I intend to do is prove this point. Because the sort of idiots involved won’t figure it on their own, and the assholes a la zuck and conde nast have about as much interest in the matter as your random bank cares about getting off shitty buggy ms software. | [03:29] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [03:29] |
asciilifeform | except that it goes beyond active disinterest. | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | mebbe. | [03:30] |
asciilifeform | they're certainly interested - in something quite else. | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | unsovereignty ? | [03:30] |
asciilifeform | vox sheepuli. | [03:30] |
mircea_popescu | "god help us if people are in charge of their own lives, anything b ut that" ? | [03:30] |
asciilifeform | 'god help us if the thinking folks find one another' | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | now see, THAT is a fortress worth making | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | which is why it's here. | [03:31] |
asciilifeform | well, the pieces are here. | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | a fortress is first and foremost an embodied fuck you. | [03:31] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | just how well fortified it actually is =- that's a technical discussion' | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | but the unbreached fortress is exactly as fortified as any other unbreached fortress : infinitely so. | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | (and by "it's here" i means specifically, b-a) | [03:33] |
asciilifeform | well, yes | [03:33] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: incidentally, i lifted 'kyristor' name not from the obvious place, but from a zoological exploration of a peculiarly malignant femiderp re: 'kyriarchy' | [03:34] |
asciilifeform | decided that it would be a particularly apt name for the ideal 'crucifix' against the vampires in question. | [03:34] |
asciilifeform | but that's ancient history. | [03:34] |
asciilifeform | interestingly, mr mold invented almost precisely the same scheme, afaik independently, neither of us lifted from the other | [03:35] |
asciilifeform | imho it is an inevitable discovery, like semiconductor. | [03:36] |
asciilifeform | (a rusty nail semiconducts, if you know where on it to stick a probe. this is how 'coherer' - first radio receiver - worked, though its inventor did not know this) | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | nothing as indomitable as an idea whose time has come eh | [03:38] |
asciilifeform | ;;google railroading time | [03:38] |
gribble | Quote by Robert A. Heinlein: “When railroading time comes you can ...: |
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mircea_popescu | "hard to keep people from observing water is wet once their wanderings take them to an ocean" | [03:38] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [03:38] |
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asciilifeform | no one will even think to mention 'wot-based' gizmo in the future, just as when you buy a pc now - the crate does not bother to say 'semiconductor-based' | [03:52] |
asciilifeform | it's merely obvious. | [03:53] |
asciilifeform | it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. | [03:54] |
asciilifeform | namely - if you're operating using some other, incompatible abstraction - the result will be demonstrable nonsense. | [03:54] |
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decimation | re: spies << Stierlitz is a psychologist | [04:10] |
decimation | I was amused the reference to the lady morse operator's "hand" | [04:10] |
asciilifeform | morse 'hand' is a thing, ask anyone who still deals with it | [04:11] |
undata | asciilifeform: how does it compare to emacs claw? | [04:11] |
asciilifeform | not to be confused with 'telegrapher's glass arm' disease | [04:11] |
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asciilifeform | 'hand' here is in the sense of 'handwriting' | [04:11] |
undata | ah | [04:11] |
decimation | asciilifeform: when I visited Bletchley park, they told a story about this. Apparently the germans initially sent the 'headers' in enigma traffic in plaintext before the message | [04:11] |
decimation | the uk operators at the "Y" stations became familiar with the 'hand' of each german operator | [04:12] |
asciilifeform | hand >> incidentally, this was part of the reason why shortly after the war, most intelligence orgs moved to mechanical (punched tape) operation | [04:12] |
decimation | later, when the germans started to encrypt the 'headers', they were able to sort out each crypto link by the intercept operator's ability to recognize his opponent's hand | [04:12] |
decimation | as nearly all enigma traffic was sent by hand morse | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | the ru version was a very simple stapler-shaped gizmo that punched holes in old 35mm film | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | it was then fed into the telegraph. | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | i have no idea what usa used, probably same. | [04:13] |
decimation | actually morse was initially 'machine' sent | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | it was mainly to shorten total 'on air' time, to make triangulation harder | [04:13] |
decimation | the original idea was to mark a strip of paper with the morse characters, but very soon after the telegraph was introduced it was realized that operators could send by ear much more quickly | [04:14] |
asciilifeform | and reduce mistakes (professional 'morse man' and skilled 'illegal' is like asking to hire a pro racing driver who is also an expert cocksucker) | [04:14] |
decimation | yeah I also found it interesting in 'stierlitz' that he didn't send his own morse/radio traffic | [04:15] |
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asciilifeform | after the war, it was almost unheard of to have 2way traffic at all | [04:15] |
asciilifeform | most return comms from illegals were via 'dead drop' | [04:15] |
asciilifeform | simple, 'cheap and angry' | [04:15] |
asciilifeform | grunt under diplomatic cover - fetches it. | [04:15] |
mircea_popescu | [04:15] | |
mircea_popescu | and to think the derps are going o nbout "blockchain technology". as if. | [04:16] |
asciilifeform | decimation: 2way traffic is a forced wartime thing. when you have no one in diplomatic cover behind the lines. | [04:16] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, the poor English translation for the word that refers to when a spy is killed 'doing his duty' seems to be 'failed' | [04:17] |
asciilifeform | провал? | [04:17] |
decimation | "Stierlitz knew he would 'fail' if he did x" | [04:17] |
asciilifeform | literally, 'fell through' | [04:17] |
asciilifeform | as in, through a hole in the street | [04:17] |
decimation | I get the feeling that's the wrong translation at times | [04:17] |
asciilifeform | the closest translation would probably be 'blown' | [04:17] |
decimation | so it's kind of idiomaitc | [04:17] |
asciilifeform | (as in 'cover') | [04:17] |
decimation | yeah | [04:17] |
asciilifeform | (for folks reading this who have no idea - there was not a film called 'stierlitz', but it is the cover name of the hero in iconic ru multiparter '17 moments of spring.') | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | english has the funcitonal equivalent, "the deal fell through" | [04:19] |
BingoBoingo | From the lulzmines: "Batman is a rich white psychopath who beats up poor people for fun. He is not now and never has been a hero." | [04:19] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [04:19] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo also, blackface. | [04:19] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582399 | [04:19] |
assbot | Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat. | [04:19] |
mircea_popescu | "By their nature as vigilantes, acting outside or above the law, most superheroes have a troubling undercurrent of aristocratic, undemocratic, authoritarian values." | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | how dare they be better than the scumcrowd!11 | [04:20] |
decimation | yeah sorry for the shorthand. You can view the whole series here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzOma9Pyv8&list=PLA6274B0CEF58CEB0 (or download with youtube-dl) | [04:20] |
assbot | 17 Moments of Spring - 1/12 - 1/7 - YouTube | [04:20] |
asciilifeform | re: scumcrowd: | [04:21] |
asciilifeform | ;;google harrison bergeron | [04:21] |
gribble | Harrison Bergeron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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asciilifeform | (if there remains alive even one who has not read it) | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea what h b is. | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | oh, vonnegut. kay | [04:21] |
asciilifeform | short story by k. vonnegut. | [04:21] |
asciilifeform | about a 'glorious future of ikvaliti.' | [04:22] |
asciilifeform | [insert w4r3z] | [04:22] |
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undata | asciilifeform: social media is the shriek of the headphones | [04:25] |
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undata | what were we talking about? | [04:25] |
asciilifeform | undata: except - for now - optional. | [04:25] |
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mircea_popescu | And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. "Excuse me-" she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive. | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | lol. | [04:25] |
assbot | RetroUpriser +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 | [04:26] |
xanthyos | !up RetroUpriser | [04:26] |
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RetroUpriser | Care to play a game of chess, mircea_popescu? | [04:27] |
BingoBoingo | A doomed by the bong case heats up http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/highway-seizure-in-iowa-fuels-debate-about-asset-forfeiture-laws/2014/11/10/10f725fc-5ec3-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html | [04:27] |
assbot | Highway seizure in Iowa fuels debate about asset-forfeiture laws - The Washington Post | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | ugh, ive not played chess in like a decade or two | [04:27] |
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RetroUpriser | Well the offer stands should you change your mind | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | why thank you. | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | heck, why the hell not. | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | what do you want, heads or tails ? | [04:29] |
RetroUpriser | You can choose first | [04:30] |
decimation | asciilifeform: "fiat 'was down'" << sometimes this happens because a geomagnetic storm knocks down a satellite - for example most gas stations in the us clear credit cards through satellite | [04:30] |
RetroUpriser | And i was thinking of using chess.com | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | i dun have a login | [04:30] |
asciilifeform | 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the driver’s consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search | [04:30] |
asciilifeform | !s clever hans | [04:31] |
assbot | 0 results for 'clever hans' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+hans | [04:31] |
RetroUpriser | How would you like to play? | [04:31] |
asciilifeform | http://www.kbrhorse.net/tra/hans.html | [04:31] |
xanthyos | http://en.lichess.org/ << no login needed | [04:31] |
assbot | lichess.org • Free Online Chess | [04:31] |
decimation | yeah my understanding is that the results of the 'search dogs' are always an objective basis upon which one can search | [04:31] |
asciilifeform | search dog != confiscation dog | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | bah all these people and their javascript already | [04:32] |
asciilifeform | (if the latter are not yet standard - they are being grown.) | [04:32] |
decimation | the dog smells money on you | [04:32] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: dig out that 'ipad' | [04:32] |
asciilifeform | chess is more or less what it's for. | [04:32] |
BingoBoingo | [04:32] | |
mircea_popescu | i dun have an ipad here ;/ | [04:32] |
asciilifeform | no civilian computer at all? | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | fuck it ima play ascii art chess. | [04:33] |
decimation | http://oglaf.com/heel/ | [04:33] |
assbot | Heel | [04:33] |
xanthyos | you don't need to physically see the same board | [04:34] |
xanthyos | just announce moves | [04:34] |
RetroUpriser | this is true, we could play through text | [04:34] |
BingoBoingo | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--O-wxNBJR--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/omamfciqg1uiper3pdrj.jpg << Murican ingenuity | [04:34] |
BingoBoingo | !s d6 | [04:34] |
assbot | 12 results for 'd6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=d6 | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | RetroUpriser ima do algebraic notation in about 5 minutes lemme type out some letters | [04:34] |
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asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: likely hand-loaded shells with almost no powder | [04:35] |
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asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: or would have ruptured | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://pastebin.com/gqUgekiU [04:36] |
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assbot | abcdefgh 1 TCNRXNCT 1 2 PPPPPPPP 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 - Pastebin.com | [04:36] |
BingoBoingo | That, but then again non-nagant revolver so there was an exit point for the pressure between the chamber and barrel | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | so now, is X the queen or the king in that arrangement ? or is white caps or no caps ? | [04:36] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: normally folks play ascii chess using ordinary coordinates and physical boards | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | RetroUpriser e2e4 | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | now where did he go | [04:38] |
BingoBoingo | r is the queen, x is the king, white is on top (king's starts on e, queen on d) | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | so i got it right ? go me. | [04:39] |
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RetroUpriser | hold on finding an online board to use | [04:39] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: i was always curious why nagant forward-cam did not catch on | [04:39] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: it seems like pure win | [04:39] |
thestringpuller | Just play with the text board with pasties | [04:40] |
RetroUpriser | d7 ~ d5 | [04:41] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: probably the cost of making of forward cam vs. retard resistant gas can escape two places design | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | e4e5 | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: is sidearm srsly a cost-sensitive application? | [04:42] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: (aside from pathological cases like 'liberator') | [04:42] |
decimation | re: semi quad-copter << I don't get how that's more effective than a semi-truck full of small guided ballistic missiles | [04:43] |
RetroUpriser | Ke6 | [04:43] |
RetroUpriser | c6* | [04:43] |
asciilifeform | decimation: range | [04:43] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: It is for the manufacterer and the purchasing agency negotiating on the specs. Maybe Police wants to spring for better than liberator, but forward cam... too much | [04:43] |
BingoBoingo | RetroUpriser: How does king move two spaces? | [04:44] |
xanthyos | heh | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | f2f4 | [04:44] |
BingoBoingo | Wait, king is x | [04:44] |
BingoBoingo | Nevermind | [04:45] |
BingoBoingo | non-standard lettering... | [04:45] |
Apocalyptic | you guys are using weird notations | [04:45] |
RetroUpriser | pe6 | [04:45] |
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mircea_popescu | c3 | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | knight c3 | [04:47] |
asciilifeform | decimation: re: morse tape: http://cryptomuseum.com/burst/index.htm | [04:48] |
assbot | Burst Encoders | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo is this even anything btw ? | [04:48] |
RetroUpriser | Pb6 | [04:48] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Game seems to be a thing, just the non-standard letters are messing with my ingrained encoding | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | d2d4 | [04:49] |
RetroUpriser | Bc7 | [04:50] |
decimation | asciilifeform: seems to me it would be easier just to send a pcm signal like bpsk or something, but I guess this was before that kind of stuff was well known | [04:50] |
BingoBoingo | looks like RetroUpriser is playing some sort of French defense and mircea_popescu is just grabbing space | [04:50] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: mechanical. | [04:50] |
decimation | radio teletype was mechanical too | [04:51] |
decimation | mostly | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | decimation: mechanical and man-portable here. | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | decimation: and, potentially, received by another operator equipped with nothing more than consumer radio set. | [04:51] |
mircea_popescu | c3b5 | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | and pencil. | [04:51] |
decimation | yeah those are tough specs | [04:52] |
RetroUpriser | b7a6 | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | b5x3 | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | b5c3 | [04:56] |
RetroUpriser | a6f1 | [04:56] |
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mircea_popescu | wut ?! | [04:57] |
BingoBoingo | !up RetroUpriser | [04:57] |
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RetroUpriser | Thanks | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | aw shgit i had the pawn moved not the bishiop. my bad. | [04:58] |
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mircea_popescu | h1f1 | [04:58] |
RetroUpriser | ahem | [04:59] |
RetroUpriser | that cant be done | [04:59] |
RetroUpriser | you knight is still on g1 | [04:59] |
mircea_popescu | igh. | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | somehow i was missing a knight o.o | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | dude this is nuts, ascii chess | [05:00] |
RetroUpriser | im looking at a board and putting the moves in | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | most folks use boards with tele-chess | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | except when in jail | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | e1f1 | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yeah well, if the WEB DIDNT SUCK | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | then perhaps i could. | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | actual as in physical board | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | on each end | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | im poor and destitute | [05:01] |
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asciilifeform | l0l | [05:01] |
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RetroUpriser | d8h4 | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | wasn';t x the king / | [05:03] |
RetroUpriser | huh? | [05:04] |
Apocalyptic | why not using the standard algebraic notation ? | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic because... i don't know it ? so ended up making some shit up on the spot ? | [05:04] |
RetroUpriser | heh, i have my kings on e | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | RetroUpriser sorry man, i'll have to take a bow here. my table is too fubar for a 3rd debug attempt | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | you'll have to play with someone who actulaly knows how. | [05:05] |
RetroUpriser | no worries | [05:05] |
Apocalyptic | mircea_popescu, easier to learn than to ask your opponent to adapt, especially if he plays quite a lot | [05:05] |
RetroUpriser | ill count it as a win in my books | [05:05] |
RetroUpriser | so im satisfied | [05:05] |
RetroUpriser | adios! | [05:05] |
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Apocalyptic | it's quite intuitive | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | ♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜ | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ | [05:06] |
decimation | lol | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | yes. | [05:06] |
decimation | ascii with the unicode | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic no argument there, but i just don't happen to give a shit about chess, what can i tell you | [05:06] |
Apocalyptic | then no argument there indeed | [05:06] |
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nubbins` | ♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙ | [05:08] |
nubbins` | ♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖ | [05:08] |
nubbins` | i guess i'll go first? | [05:08] |
nubbins` | altho given the results of the tourney, maybe i should abstain | [05:09] |
thestringpuller | ;;kitten lasers | [05:10] |
gribble | Error: "kitten" is not a valid command. | [05:10] |
thestringpuller | ;;kittenlasers | [05:10] |
gribble | Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command. | [05:10] |
thestringpuller | ;;laserkittens | [05:10] |
gribble | ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* | [05:10] |
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asciilifeform | https://www.daniweb.com/software-development/python/code/423640/unicode-chessboard-in-a-terminal | [05:20] |
assbot | Unicode chessboard in a terminal | DaniWeb | [05:20] |
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mike_c | sliding backgrounds! | [05:29] |
mike_c | http://www.coinpip.com/ | [05:29] |
assbot | Bitcoin Payment Gateway | Bitcoin Merchant Services | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | is anyone even keepiung count of all these braindamaged "services" the bezzle keeps pumping out ? | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, they all depend on being the only one as a business model, by now the only firm guarantee that can be made is that nobody will EVER make a dime in that market | [05:31] |
thestringpuller | like bitpay? | [05:31] |
mike_c | but this one is purty | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | like all of 'em. | [05:33] |
assbot | Crypto Capital | Merging the Fiat & Crypto World | Exchanges, Investors, Traders | [05:33] |
dignork | it scrolls sideways! | [05:33] |
mike_c | it is moving around a lot | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | im waiting for the one that scrolls crazy shitstick on all sides | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | so the paleo fad diet experts among us : what the fuck do you do about sushi ? | [05:34] |
mike_c | omg, that one does. it scrolls down then sideways then down | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | don't tell me the thing's intended for kansasites who are barbaric enough to never heard of and so never miss sushi | [05:35] |
ben_vulpes | "rice doesn't count!!!1" | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | what about bechamel ? | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | am i to starve in france ? | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | also, wheat is verboten but what about beans ? pretty sure no paleoman ate lentil soup. | [05:36] |
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ben_vulpes | shit hangs together like camo netting | [05:39] |
PeterL | http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/blogroll.py thoughts? | [05:40] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets blog posts | [05:40] |
PeterL | mircea_popescu: paleo says fish is fine, can you make sushi without rice? | [05:42] |
PeterL | there are other ways to prepare fish | [05:42] |
fluffypony | it's called sashimi | [05:42] |
fluffypony | :-P | [05:42] |
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PeterL | mircea_popescu: paleo says no beans | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | PeterL well it'd be sashimi then | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | which is ok... but i like sushi. | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | eh fluffypony beats m to it! | [05:46] |
fluffypony | lol | [05:46] |
PeterL | I've had sushi, didn;t like it much, probably not high quality though | [05:46] |
fluffypony | yeah you need to try quality sushi | [05:46] |
fluffypony | stuff from a takeaway joint on the corner is reserved for sushimergencies | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | there's no point in having meh sushi. | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | and incidentally, that's another thing this town shines in. they got sushi. | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | PeterL anway, i was just illustrating a point. one of my fave meals is, pork wellington. my own invention. | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | you need crust to hold all that liver and mushroom | [05:47] |
PeterL | simmilar to beef wellington? | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | exactly the sam, but using a whole pork tenderloin. | [05:48] |
PeterL | yes, there are many dishes which just don't happen on paleo | [05:48] |
PeterL | I tried it, like the way I felt physically, but was too bored with eating the same things over and over | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | yeah well, i'm not giving up on my culture for the sake of you know... preserving some bizarre prehistorical concerns | [05:49] |
PeterL | sure | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | come to think about it... i would think deviled eggs is the pinnacle of paleo culinary achievement huh | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | as a craft i mean. obviously hard to fight a proper steak | [05:50] |
PeterL | my wife managed to make some interesting dishes trying to keep things interesting | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | did you do the actual no beans no milk no nothing version ? | [05:51] |
PeterL | yup | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | or more like "whatever, we just won't eat too many sugar frosted dumplings" version | [05:51] |
PeterL | lasted a couple months | [05:51] |
* | mircea_popescu is a firm champion of "eat whatever thoust will until you burst" diet, going on 40 years now | [05:52] |
decimation | wait how is milk not paleo? | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | im not even that fat. | [05:52] |
PeterL | then she decided she couldn't stand to see another sweet potato and we started adding lots of stuff back in | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | decimation well it's not manly enough, sucking on titties. | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ? | [05:52] |
decimation | lol | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | hair pulling and surprise insertions all the way ? | [05:53] |
PeterL | milk digestion as an adult was one of the most recent enzymes added to the human genome | [05:53] |
PeterL | some populations get it more than others | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | PeterL how does that make sense ? if you have it as a kid then it's there | [05:53] |
PeterL | most animals don't eat milk as adult | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | but the enzyme, it gotta be there. | [05:53] |
PeterL | yeah, but the body stops making it | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | the genome doesn't change over the lifetime of the individual | [05:54] |
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ben_vulpes | upregulation and downregulation is a thing | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [05:54] |
ben_vulpes | stop drinking milk long enough and it will hurt the next time | [05:55] |
decimation | http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/centum-and-satem-2/ << "It all started pretty far to the East. There, some crazy locals first tamed the horse. I’m thinking that they were something like the Botai culture, riding and hunting horses, but not farmers. They may well have milked those horses – by the way, horse milk is much richer in lactose than human or cow milk." | [05:55] |
assbot | Centum and Satem | West Hunter | [05:55] |
* | asciilifeform actually knows a fellow who lost lactose digestion as adult | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | you ever had mare milk ? | [05:55] |
asciilifeform | go figure. | [05:55] |
asciilifeform | iirc not digestible by man unless fermented | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | i am pretty convinced the way milk became a part of the diet is because of animal husbandry. | [05:55] |
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mircea_popescu | mares literally love being suckled, and will love you if you suckle them | [05:56] |
asciilifeform | кумыс. | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | this given, how long would it have taken some bored kids in central asia ? | [05:56] |
joecool | [05:56] | |
thestringpuller | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lzmji/i_am_a_student_at_mit_who_recently_received_100/ | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | joecool i was just keeping his hands to the coals on the technicality of it. "retaining milk digestion past childood is a recent adaptation" etc. | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller so basically, "mit sucks" ? | [05:58] |
mircea_popescu | maybe they should start small, give the bright kids there lightbulbs | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | !s mit battery | [05:58] |
assbot | 11 results for 'mit battery' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mit+battery | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | ^ obligatory | [05:58] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform afaik, the fermentation makes it accessible to wussies | [05:59] |
nubbins` | http://imgur.com/JXEDCf3 | [06:00] |
assbot | imgur: the simple image sharer | [06:00] |
PeterL | by the way, I added code to scoopbot, now if he disconnects he should reconnect, hopefully this will keep him running | [06:00] |
mircea_popescu | splendid. | [06:00] |
nubbins` | anyone know if you can carry money in a regular wheelbarrow or do they make ones w/ nets to keep the cash from blowing away? | [06:01] |
asciilifeform | !b 1 | [06:01] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03RPEVV.txt ) | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | i am still frozen from having read that. | [06:01] |
PeterL | nubbins`: use a paperweight? | [06:01] |
nubbins` | currently using a couple of cookie sheets, but they slide around | [06:02] |
asciilifeform | easy answer to riddle: money is typically heavy and does not blow away. | [06:02] |
asciilifeform | benjies - might | [06:02] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform actually knows a fellow who lost lactose digestion as adult <<< this happened to my wife | [06:02] |
joecool | happened to my ex | [06:02] |
joecool | must be a canadian problem | [06:02] |
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nubbins` | lactose-free dairy stuff is more common these days | [06:03] |
nubbins` | you can get president's choice lactose-free cheddar AND marble now :0 | [06:03] |
asciilifeform | given that gene expression is a thing, this is actually a very easy way to give yourself food allergies | [06:03] |
asciilifeform | simply abstain from something for a spell | [06:03] |
joecool | nubbins`: it is, can buy regular milk without lactose and even ice cream | [06:03] |
asciilifeform | (works for a number of things) | [06:03] |
nubbins` | yup | [06:03] |
joecool | or eat lots of lactase | [06:03] |
nubbins` | the lactase pills even stopped working | [06:04] |
nubbins` | i mean, old cheddar doesn't have much lactose to begin with. | [06:04] |
joecool | i told her this too, she never had an issue with aged cheeses | [06:04] |
dignork | nubbins`: they just make them from money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWhI4gi9nNk | [06:05] |
assbot | Extreme wheelbarrowing - YouTube | [06:05] |
assbot | you know they put lactose in lactase pills | [06:05] |
nubbins` | you got it all wrong buddy | [06:06] |
nubbins` | stick to what ya know | [06:06] |
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PeterL | assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills <<< wth assbot? | [06:19] |
assbot | what, its true | [06:20] |
BingoBoingo | assbot is the bot with the hero butt | [06:20] |
PeterL | is somebody playing with assbot? | [06:21] |
BingoBoingo | I doubt it. Prolly a new feature. | [06:22] |
ben_vulpes | things about ios 8 that drive me insane | [06:28] |
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ben_vulpes | app store search results are sorted above my installed apps | [06:28] |
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assbot | PeterL, have you seen the movie 'being john malkovich'? | [06:30] |
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cazalla | woot, cherries in season | [06:37] |
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ben_vulpes | on an entirely different topic, i'd like to derp in public about bisection in hunt of the commits that unwedged 0.5.3 | [06:42] |
ben_vulpes | my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool. | [06:43] |
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ben_vulpes | this script will take the wedged blockchain on disk; copy it into the testing dir; compile bitcoind from a different point in the source tree; and boot it pointed at the wedged blockchain; and check to see if the output of 'bitcoind getblockcount' has gone up | [06:45] |
ben_vulpes | if yes, mark as good with git bisect and proceed with binary search, repeating the above process until the unwedging commit is discovered. | [06:45] |
decimation | ben_vulpes: won't you need much disk space per 'try'? | [06:45] |
ben_vulpes | 2x the size of the wedged blockchain | [06:46] |
ben_vulpes | one for copying into the dir, one for launching from. | [06:46] |
ben_vulpes | if i'm not being clear, i plan to clobber the data dir on each run. | [06:46] |
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asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: doubtful plan | [06:49] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: illuminate me | [06:50] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: wedging almost certainly involves what ends up being saved as blockchain | [06:50] |
asciilifeform | rather than how it is decoded | [06:50] |
ben_vulpes | ah ha | [06:50] |
ben_vulpes | well then shit i should copy this datadir while its yet unwedged | [06:50] |
asciilifeform | but - assuming you've the time/energy - there is no reason not to try it | [06:51] |
asciilifeform | (specifically - to see what, if anything, a >0.5.3 client will do with a wedged 0.5.3 chain) | [06:51] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: were i to use a chain slightly downstream of the wedging to start the process, would that be less unlikely to work? | [06:53] |
asciilifeform | how could i know. | [06:54] |
asciilifeform | try. | [06:54] |
decimation | ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? | [06:54] |
asciilifeform | the catastrophic memory leak is also a fact. | [06:54] |
asciilifeform | not directly a cause of the wedge though | [06:54] |
ben_vulpes | [06:55] | |
ben_vulpes | [06:55] | |
ben_vulpes | there is much contrast in the implications of these statements. | [06:55] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: well, i was able to determine that wedging takes place prior to memory exhaustion | [06:55] |
asciilifeform | no data on whether common bug behind both, however. | [06:55] |
asciilifeform | here's another tidbit from 'valgrind' runs - leak is very slow prior to wedge, then appears to speed up | [06:56] |
decimation | I guess my point is that if something external to the turd participates in the 'wedging' then the bisect plan won't really work | [06:56] |
decimation | or at least, will have misleading results | [06:56] |
ben_vulpes | what would be considered "external"? | [07:00] |
decimation | bdb for instance | [07:00] |
asciilifeform | 'boost' | [07:00] |
decimation | if something is stomping on something in those libraries it could be quite subtle | [07:00] |
ben_vulpes | would the libraries not be held constant between bisections? | [07:01] |
ben_vulpes | provided i'm not doing something retarded like also updating packages | [07:01] |
decimation | sure, but it is at least possible that is stomping on the code in such a way that it doesn't work in one version, but then works in another | [07:02] |
decimation | not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory | [07:02] |
asciilifeform | external << worth pointing out that i did not build with 'period' libs. | [07:02] |
decimation | nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting | [07:03] |
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BingoBoingo | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/potentially-catastrophic-bug-bites-all-versions-of-windows-patch-now/ << WinBleed | [07:08] |
assbot | Potentially catastrophic bug bites all versions of Windows. Patch now | Ars Technica | [07:08] |
asciilifeform | s/patch/exploit | [07:08] |
BingoBoingo | Refresh, someone found the old door, time for a new door | [07:09] |
asciilifeform | someone << ru | [07:13] |
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mircea_popescu | but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing. | [07:22] |
* | asciilifeform far more familiar than wanted to be | [07:23] |
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mircea_popescu | "A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed. | [07:24] |
asciilifeform | arbitrary remote code exec | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored) | [07:24] |
asciilifeform | not necessarily 'replica' of anything | [07:24] |
ben_vulpes | http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000008.html | [07:25] |
asciilifeform | microshit is the ultimate execution of 'plausibly deniable' usg mandate. | [07:25] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: neato. | [07:25] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head" | [07:25] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: congratulate the author | [07:25] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: you may find that my patches rely on one another | [07:26] |
asciilifeform | ('patch' util is dumb as a rock) | [07:26] |
mircea_popescu | "Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug." | [07:26] |
asciilifeform | (re: 'compile with posted patches individually' idea) | [07:26] |
mircea_popescu | the exact definition of "notabug" | [07:26] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: they almost always print 'no mitigating factors' (as in, must install update or die) | [07:27] |
mircea_popescu | good for 'em. | [07:27] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, some folks may wonder why microshit even bothers to announce pwnholes | [07:28] |
asciilifeform | answer is, in many cases, they don't (often people reverse engineer them from recent patches) | [07:28] |
asciilifeform | and when they do, part of the reason is to goad lusers to force-update | [07:28] |
asciilifeform | so they can develop new orifices. | [07:28] |
decimation | 'the (upgrade) bell tolls for thee' | [07:29] |
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scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/chris-popple-of-rbs-in-regards-to-bitcoin-were-definitely-interested-in-it/ | [07:53] |
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mircea_popescu | lol bankers saying things | [07:59] |
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TomServo | same here | [17:03] |
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mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | not so unlike sharing privkeys from a purely bitcoin perspective | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i. | [17:06] |
mircea_popescu | the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it. | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is. | [17:07] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else. | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole. | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it. | [17:12] |
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nubbins` | <+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit | [17:56] |
nubbins` | works about 20% of the time | [17:56] |
asciilifeform | my favourite 'sheep experiment' is at a place not far from where i live, where one can rent 'sea bicycles' - little boats that one can pedal around. usually folks cluster together, for no good reason. pedal to an empty part of the water, and dozens follow... | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | i hear that's how serial killers get started | [17:58] |
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asciilifeform | it had no practical consequence, but blew my mind when i discovered it many years ago. | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | !up saifedean | [17:59] |
-assbot- | You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. | [17:59] |
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mircea_popescu | no scoopbot, no peterl... wha happened here! | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell peterl seems teh code didn't werk. | [17:59] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [17:59] |
saifedean | "so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer... | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad. | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | you are not a prehistoric man. you will never be one. | [18:02] |
saifedean | But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't! | [18:02] |
* | asciilifeform can't wait to see folks follow the 'logical' paleo conclusion, and climb back into the trees | [18:02] |
mike_c | which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization? | [18:03] |
saifedean | "what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal. | [18:03] |
asciilifeform | mike_c: the part when you're high out of your mind on placebocin | [18:03] |
mike_c | placebocin is the best drugz | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | saifedean you'll generally find poor people foods are better than "rich people" foods. | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | pork an' beans ftw. | [18:04] |
saifedean | also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you. | [18:04] |
mike_c | pork & rice & beans even better | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | srsly, that's your idea, instead of a nice pot of beans cooked with a smoked leg over a day and a night | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | you want to just eat the leg ? | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c i dun care for rice in that one, but hey, matter of ethnocentric taste. | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ud art de vany | [18:05] |
gribble | http://ro.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vany%20Vicious | Tattoo Artist and Model from Miami,FL. ... Vany Vicious is a hardcore bitch. ... de TatooLoverYEah 10 Ianuarie 2012 adaugă un clip video adaugă o imagine. | [18:05] |
asciilifeform | dietary cargo cults are mega-lulz. | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw, | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | and way the fuck beyond what i imagined posible. | [18:06] |
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punkman | check out the leaderboard http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trusted | [18:07] |
assbot | Trusted keys | #bitcoin-assets deed registry | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so. | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | punkman how's teh rating work ? | [18:07] |
punkman | l1+l2 of assbot | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | lol mk. | [18:08] |
* | asciilifeform wonders how often taleb-like figures wander into 'paleo' cult strange, after they really felt stronger - but not from eating raw antelope, but from the real win of being set free from workschwitz - that being, sleeping ad libitum. | [18:08] |
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mircea_popescu | scalar sums of graphs still broken. | [18:08] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you know, i just did that ? | [18:08] |
mircea_popescu | it feels fine. | [18:08] |
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nubbins` | fad diets are a pretty good lel | [18:10] |
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mircea_popescu | as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too" | [18:11] |
nubbins` | p just started keeping track of calories in/out and balancing carbs/protein/fat | [18:11] |
nubbins` | it's been less than a year, she can deadlift her own body weight and has dropped ~30lbs :0 | [18:12] |
nubbins` | i keep saying i won't be impressed til she can deadlift me, but secretly... ;p | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck can't lift their own body weight | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | isn't that esentially what a chinup is ? | [18:13] |
* | nubbins` thinks | [18:14] |
nubbins` | there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight | [18:14] |
nubbins` | you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up | [18:15] |
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mircea_popescu | i guess, but you're left picking for straws here. | [18:15] |
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mircea_popescu | !up saifedean | [18:15] |
-assbot- | You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. | [18:15] |
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nubbins` | i'd wager maybe three people in here can do a single chin-up | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | i thought you got all buthurt and pankake'd out on us, mr paleo man. | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` i can do ten. | [18:16] |
saifedean | heh... my butt is hurtproof, my internet connection, though | [18:16] |
nubbins` | well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us | [18:16] |
nubbins` | :P | [18:16] |
nubbins` | anyway, try deadlifting your own weight on a barbell some time | [18:16] |
saifedean | I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork. | [18:16] |
nubbins` | and LMK how it goes. | [18:16] |
nubbins` | saifedean pork is delicious and cheap | [18:17] |
nubbins` | beef is the bottom of my list | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ? | [18:17] |
nubbins` | i think vex earned that crown | [18:17] |
saifedean | though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all | [18:17] |
nubbins` | i'd love to try reindeer | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | human is the best of all! | [18:17] |
nubbins` | i'd try grass-fed human | [18:18] |
nubbins` | avg sack of shit would prolly poison you | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia. | [18:18] |
nubbins` | well i guess it's not the same thing at all then, is it :D | [18:18] |
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mircea_popescu | but technique is not what i thought we were discussing here. | [18:18] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger! | [18:18] |
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ben_vulpes | *in | [18:18] |
nubbins` | if we're trying to equate chinups with deadlifts, technique is precisely what we're discussing | [18:19] |
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mircea_popescu | i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit | [18:19] |
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saifedean | The Art de Vany I mentioned is not the one that Urban dictionary turned up, it is this man: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/ | [18:20] |
assbot | Art De Vany on Line - Results | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | can it be art vandalay ? | [18:20] |
saifedean | 77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | uh. | [18:20] |
nubbins` | (a) in awe, yep (b) not even close | [18:20] |
nubbins` | by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom | [18:21] |
nubbins` | by eating like a normal person and not "paleo" (wtf!) she lost weight | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | saifedean if i add mah assassin cult to nubbins`'s here powerlifter chick, art vandalay guy is in a world of trouble. | [18:21] |
nubbins` | but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together | [18:21] |
ben_vulpes | i weary of this paleo proselytism | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | that's because you're not eating right | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | them wheats talking outta ya. | [18:22] |
nubbins` | yeah dude | [18:22] |
nubbins` | if god wanted you to eat cooked meat, he woulda installed a furnace in your throat | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | !b 1 | [18:22] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14KC96M.txt ) | [18:22] |
nubbins` | er wait did paleo man have fire? | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | sources disagree. | [18:23] |
ben_vulpes | reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi | [18:23] |
nubbins` | did he have beef, pork, and chicken? | [18:23] |
saifedean | hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` mostly squirrel. | [18:23] |
nubbins` | ah | [18:23] |
ben_vulpes | new meaning to "spamgun" | [18:23] |
nubbins` | so really, a paleo diet is raw squirrel meat, berries, occasional leaves for roughage | [18:23] |
nubbins` | sounds totally healthy and easy for modern man to adapt to | [18:23] |
nubbins` | i can see why it's popular | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | humans ate principally carcass. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade. | [18:24] |
nubbins` | paleo timeshares | [18:25] |
saifedean | nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works | [18:25] |
nubbins` | "cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight" | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1. | [18:26] |
nubbins` | saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth | [18:26] |
nubbins` | *from | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent. | [18:26] |
nubbins` | "our" bodies adjust to shit all the time | [18:26] |
nubbins` | case in point: lactose | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says" | [18:27] |
nubbins` | you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill? | [18:27] |
saifedean | nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly | [18:27] |
nubbins` | and thye kept doing it and now i can eat pizza with impunity? | [18:27] |
nubbins` | saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction | [18:28] |
mircea_popescu | saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ? | [18:28] |
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nubbins` | wait, that's retarded. no i don't. | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | but it'd be a challenge! and you're like, a 15 yo male. | [18:29] |
nubbins` | haha | [18:29] |
nubbins` | once upon a time | [18:29] |
saifedean | mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting. | [18:29] |
mircea_popescu | see, THAT's why you're fat nubbins. | [18:29] |
nubbins` | i think i'm fat because i lead a sedentary lifestyle | [18:29] |
nubbins` | but hey, tall skinny guys get pushed around | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for. | [18:30] |
nubbins` | ^ | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` no they don't. | [18:30] |
saifedean | that's a good start, but you need to also eat lots of animal fat, which is absolutely very good for you.. and you need to view doing carbs like an addiction, not a healthy food. | [18:31] |
ben_vulpes | o.O | [18:31] |
nubbins` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzSjiDDtlIE | [18:32] |
assbot | Trailer Park Boys - Smokes, Let's Go - YouTube | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even! | [18:32] |
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nubbins` | tell me more about how to be healthy | [18:33] |
saifedean | finally, "speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ?" < Absolutely, once you've tried a carbs-free girl, you'll never go back! | [18:33] |
nubbins` | carbs-free :0 | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | that is quite not what i meant. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | your analogy is broken, you don't eat 150k year old meat, so you don't eat paleo in THAT sense. | [18:34] |
ben_vulpes | dafuq is trailer park boys | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | what i meant is, do you fuck like a paleo guy, if you try to eat like one. | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes sounds like a band of twinks. | [18:34] |
saifedean | you should never fuck vegetarians. your should eat vegetarians. | [18:34] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu acetone-breath from ketogenic diet? i'd say he does. | [18:34] |
nubbins` | ben_vulpes canadian television, it's uh, a thing | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | lol knock em out, fuck 'em raw | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | for maximum trollage points, that pua "executive executant" derp should rebrand his nonsense as paleo dating | [18:35] |
nubbins` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQc-ldoX3yI | [18:35] |
assbot | My 10 Favorite Trailer Park Boys Moments - YouTube | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | now THAT'd be true scandal. hollyday derp has nfi how to "strategize", you don't attack large submissive groups like women. you attack small but desperate groups. | [18:36] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot. | [18:36] |
saifedean | well, my personal experience is that it does make a big difference to one's sex life... it raises testosterone levels beyond what is considered 'normal' levels today | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | what sort of a standardisation group is this! | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ? | [18:37] |
saifedean | no, you get to do more for your cock | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ? | [18:38] |
saifedean | that's a prerequisite for going paleo | [18:38] |
ben_vulpes | blue dollar's been dropping? | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops. | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt" | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | dollar took a nosedive to like 11s, almost what it was in spring. | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | back to 13 now tho. | [18:40] |
ben_vulpes | more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | and even shorter experience. | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought. | [18:41] |
nubbins` | pero... pero... | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | pero perro. | [18:42] |
nubbins` | :D | [18:43] |
nubbins` | perro por favor! | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | and in today's funny spanish por gringos : one way to say butt in spanish is... tonel. literally, tun. | [18:45] |
ben_vulpes | "tu tonel pesa un tonel"? | [18:46] |
ben_vulpes | uno | [18:46] |
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mircea_popescu | i think it's a volume measure. | [18:46] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx1Urpcyfw | [18:46] |
assbot | Ultimate Sex Underwear Ballbra and UnderwearPockets on CBC Dragons Den s4 e.10 - YouTube | [18:46] |
ben_vulpes | as in mash tun? | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | as in 8 barrels. | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | (to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway) | [18:47] |
ben_vulpes | ha | [18:47] |
nubbins` | dem weights & measures | [18:48] |
nubbins` | my old man wrote a book once | [18:48] |
nubbins` | i suppose the tun and the butt are in it | [18:49] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;later tell vexual http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/ there, just for you. | [19:02] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [19:02] |
assbot | Venetian Republic and Find spiritual music. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [19:03] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.artdevanyonline.com/uploads/3/1/1/9/3119807/header_images/1392752910.jpg << what the shit is going on in the 4th image ?! | [19:16] |
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mircea_popescu | http://arthurdevany.com/case-experience.html "Estimated the delay to the production of “Once Upon A Wedding” caused by food poisoning of the cast and crew." | [19:20] |
assbot | Case Experience - Arthur De Vany Consulting | [19:20] |
mircea_popescu | "On behalf of Universal Studios, The project was to examine and estimate the impact of piracy on box-office revenues for Universal’s 2003 release of the motion picture The Hulk. Modeled the dynamics of box office revenue and its relation to the number of sites and downloads of a pirated copy." | [19:21] |
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mircea_popescu | this guy's made a career out of numberology. | [19:21] |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ | [19:22] |
assbot | Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski | [19:22] |
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mircea_popescu | wd. what gave it away ? | [19:22] |
BingoBoingo | First blockquote | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | more power to ya. addy ? | [19:23] |
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BingoBoingo | 1EJdNnzH9TaryxhS9Wg2VnSUqKHZgiJgx4 | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2013/09/statins-and-exercise.html << incidentally, this is an excellent point. | [19:25] |
assbot | Statins and Exercise - Art De Vany on Line | [19:25] |
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mircea_popescu | more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons. | [19:25] |
mircea_popescu | basically stuff is selected for that "does no harm" in a particularly short sighted definition of "no". | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. | [19:27] |
BingoBoingo | Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another. | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight, | [19:27] |
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mircea_popescu | the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here) | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo in particular statins are an excellent example of this insanity. | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | "want to destroy your kidneys over 3 or so decades while curing yourself from something that's allegedly bad ? pay us 1k a year!" | [19:28] |
BingoBoingo | Well cholesterol controlling medication has gone through this for a few generations already. | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?" | [19:29] |
mircea_popescu | except, on a more subtle, thus more pernicious level. | [19:29] |
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mircea_popescu | people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance. | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | that's a third of the us economy, and about 30% of the eu. | [19:31] |
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mircea_popescu | go right ahead. | [19:34] |
BingoBoingo | I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies | [19:35] |
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mircea_popescu | tadalafil etc may be too soon to know. | [19:35] |
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mircea_popescu | im pretty sure methotrexate is not on that list. | [19:36] |
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BingoBoingo | tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject. | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | even so. | [19:37] |
BingoBoingo | The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death" | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | this is a good objection | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, sulpha drugs are great | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | the notion of taking a pill a day for the rest of your life however ... | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing. | [19:38] |
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BingoBoingo | Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though... | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, off to eat. later all! | [19:40] |
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TomServo | ;;bc,stats | [19:52] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 329716 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39944661549.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86102 | [19:52] |
TomServo | ;;ticker | [19:52] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.1, Best ask: 420.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 420.1, 24 hour volume: 28154.26058302, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 421.13, 24 hour vwap: 392.399632228 | [19:52] |
TomServo | Quite the ramp today. Surprised ThickAsTheives isn't around for all this action. | [19:53] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah | [19:55] |
BingoBoingo | Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump | [19:57] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [20:03] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.13, Best ask: 434.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 434.13, 24 hour volume: 29965.14739803, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681 | [20:03] |
ben_vulpes | dang lookit her go | [20:03] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [20:05] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.35, Best ask: 432.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 432.05, 24 hour volume: 30185.42680255, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681 | [20:05] |
BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-prices-cross-430/ | [20:06] |
assbot | Bitcoin Prices Cross $430 | Qntra.net | [20:06] |
punkman | no more cheap coins | [20:07] |
BingoBoingo | Wat, I just earned 0.1 BTC for reading Trilema, Vexual edition. | [20:09] |
gernika | !s TaT | [20:09] |
assbot | 1220 results for 'TaT' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=TaT | [20:09] |
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thestringpuller | where is scoopbot | [20:23] |
thestringpuller | scoopbot don't got the scoop? | [20:23] |
BingoBoingo | The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work | [20:23] |
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punkman | maybe I should setup RSS plugin for notarybot | [20:24] |
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thestringpuller | notarybot is merging with scoopbot? | [20:30] |
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punkman | probably not | [20:31] |
punkman | notary, status | [20:31] |
notary | punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 day, 12 hours, and 28 minutes ago | [20:31] |
punkman | I like typing that | [20:31] |
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thestringpuller | notary, make sandwich | [20:35] |
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danielpbarron | !b 4 | [20:38] |
assbot | Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CDPKSX.txt ) | [20:38] |
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BingoBoingo | notary, echo ;;ticker | [20:42] |
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BingoBoingo | Debian lulz https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00144.html | [20:47] |
assbot | Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] | [20:47] |
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BingoBoingo | !up saifedean | [20:48] |
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saifedean | thanks for the voice bingoboingo | [20:51] |
BingoBoingo | You're welcome | [20:51] |
thestringpuller | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded | [20:52] |
saifedean | What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin? | [21:01] |
thestringpuller | they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on) | [21:02] |
thestringpuller | they seem to be late to parties a lot too | [21:03] |
nubbins` | winkdex is best dex | [21:03] |
nubbins` | can't trust them jaws tho | [21:03] |
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nubbins` | two days ago i realized i'd been waiting a month and a half for 18 unfiltered uv tubes from acklands-grainger | [21:06] |
nubbins` | "fuck those assholes, i'm buying from somewhere else" | [21:06] |
nubbins` | today i get an email saying my bulbs have arrived :0 | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 | [21:08] |
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thestringpuller | good 'ol hanbot | [21:11] |
nubbins` | neither that good nor that old | [21:12] |
thestringpuller | she is the evil twin | [21:13] |
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thestringpuller | i would assume that is just a box that leads to a shredder | [21:17] |
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nubbins` | ;;google teeth (2007) | [21:20] |
gribble | Teeth (2007) - IMDb: |
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nubbins` | was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide? | [21:21] |
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assbot | Shall be Delivered | The Whet | [21:22] |
asciilifeform | 'shall be delivered' << imho the single most educational piece of crypto-related fiction ever written. | [21:23] |
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asciilifeform | belongs on the mandatory reading list for cultured people of the future, right next to 'the cold equations' | [21:24] |
thestringpuller | It is national novel writing month | [21:27] |
asciilifeform | that tale carries much of the blame for luring me into this den of vice. | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | l0l | [21:30] |
thestringpuller | the end of the story reminds me of scene from rashomon | [21:31] |
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nubbins` | nanowrimo | [21:37] |
thestringpuller | ^- yup. | [21:38] |
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asciilifeform | http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2013/cmsc417/public/assignments/project_bitCoin.pdf << lol. 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework assignment.' | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:04] |
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mircea_popescu | assbot: | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] << bwhahaha | [22:12] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world. | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | therein included, stuff that merely promises the possibility of it, such as debian. | [22:18] |
asciilifeform | news at 11 is exactly right. this has been going on for a long, long time, have to be blind not to see | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait. | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff" | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | or, for that matter, the world trade center bombing. | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V, | [22:19] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: also must understand the 'good cop / bad cop' dynamic here. the buggers lure folks to their sugary 'imponade' (see naggum) by, among other things, sabotaging the rest of the universe | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | how did that go exactly, | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | main united. Those caught tonight in violation of curfew will be considered in league with our enemy and prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception. Tonight, I give you my most solemn vow: that justice will be swift, it will be righteous, and it will be without mercy. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | there we go. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | now, if it actually also worked, it may count for something. it doesn't work, so i guess it's good for lulz. | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | lol! i actually saw that film for the first time a few days ago. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | it's a pretty good filn. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420 | [22:22] |
asciilifeform | waterfall's being recharged as we speak. | [22:22] |
thestringpuller | well waterfall no longer has use | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | nobody ever won a war by being stupid. | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | all the 'sr2' et. al. schmucks are grunting in the cellars, confessing keys. | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform it wasn't all that big. | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | the two major marketplaces were unaffected | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | at least so teh intel tells me. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | actual total loot, <2k. | [22:24] |
thestringpuller | lol you have a spy ring now nao? | [22:24] |
asciilifeform | 2k << enough for small planetoid. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c | [22:24] |
thestringpuller | tinker tailor soldier spy! | [22:25] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller: | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process" | [22:27] |
assbot | optimists comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it. | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards. | [22:28] |
asciilifeform | everyone wants... gavin's is just the one that emerged << precisely same verbiage as the pro-poettering useful idiots. vox derpuli, vox dei! | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd. | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | nevertheless... | [22:28] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform right./ | [22:28] |
thestringpuller | so this is all plan to get away with hard fork in future? | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | it's "political groundwork" or w/e you call it. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | basically, feminism for code. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready. | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online. | [22:30] |
thestringpuller | i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be: | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading. | [22:31] |
thestringpuller | "Thou shalt not hardfork" | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side. | [22:33] |
thestringpuller | he does seem too "dull" to have his own agenda. | [22:33] |
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thestringpuller | i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot. | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | -/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */ | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | 67 -static const unsigned int LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD = 500000000; // Tue Nov 5 00:53:20 1985 UTC | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | random lulz. | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | because magic numbers and stuff. | [22:36] |
thestringpuller | too many to count | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | nobody knows why not make it 1bn lol. | [22:36] |
thestringpuller | why ask for billions when you can get millions? | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | it passed in 2001, it would allow sane biteshifts etc. | [22:37] |
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mircea_popescu | sheeeit, i paid ppl 5 btc to write stories ? | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | truely i am a broken hand in the chest of bitcoins. | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | shows up to receive it. | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier : | [22:43] |
thestringpuller | princess leia* (sorry) | [22:43] |
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mircea_popescu | this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | (and other things offlabel, like psoriasis) | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar. | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin. | [22:46] |
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mircea_popescu | as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia. | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | folks who are n00bs re: pharma racket - the above is SOP. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | and this is all okay, because well... science. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam, | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?" | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | well... | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public. | [22:49] |
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mircea_popescu | and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer. | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction. | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves. | [22:54] |
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empyex | jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 | [23:08] |
empyex | jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (107 milliseconds), mpex.ws (107 milliseconds), mpex.bz (107 milliseconds), mpex.co (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (474 milliseconds) | [23:08] |
empyex | jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | jurov looking into it. | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | jurov http://mpex.co/db_dump.php you see that ? | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | .ws seems to have divorced itself from the mothership | [23:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230104 @ 0.00064071 = 147.4299 BTC [+] {9} | [23:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101800 @ 0.00063753 = 64.9006 BTC [-] {7} | [23:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137208 @ 0.00064302 = 88.2275 BTC [+] {10} | [23:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167487 @ 0.00064265 = 107.6355 BTC [-] {7} | [23:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124972 @ 0.00064056 = 80.0521 BTC [-] {8} | [23:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39807 @ 0.00064749 = 25.7746 BTC [+] {2} | [23:28] |
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assbot | jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | !up jborkl_ | [23:42] |
-assbot- | You voiced jborkl_ for 30 minutes. | [23:42] |
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jborkl_ | thank you | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | you send them << wai me? | [23:43] |
nubbins` | why do i have to send the letter, i wrote the damn thing | [23:46] |
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mircea_popescu | omg it sends the letter or it gets the hose again | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | jurov: i signed my patches. so if sent, from whatever addr, they should be displayed. (with note that one user signed.) | [23:49] |
ben_vulpes | rather bad form. | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | jurov: once someone (you, ben_vulpes, whoever) reads them - can also sign, and display will read 'two people signed...' | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ? | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | where are they << http://therealbitcoin.org | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | ok, dun get jurov angry, email the stuff lol | [23:51] |
nubbins` | do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days | [23:55] |
jborkl_ | I was looking for any practical advice on monetizing my site, did not know if any of you had some (advice) on this matter? | [23:55] |
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mike_c | jborkl_: throw up a bitbet ad with your referral address. | [23:56] |
nubbins` | ooo i just found 100 sheets of paper i didn't know i had | [23:56] |
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nubbins` | scoopbot what's the scoop | [23:57] |
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jborkl_ | i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c | [23:58] |
jborkl_ | thanks | [23:58] |
asciilifeform | sent a patch to turdatron. no worky. | [23:59] |
mike_c | referral money is simply CPA instead of CPM (actions instead of clicks). it should do as well as traditional ads, and likely better given you don't have an ad sales team. | [23:59] |
asciilifeform | this is getting rather tiresome. | [23:59] |
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