Forum logs for 11 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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gribble thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin. [01:07]
nubbins` thestringpuller you know they found your poster? [01:07]
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nubbins` postage apparently emancipated itself from the package, it'd been sitting in an abandoned mail room awaiting destruction [01:09]
nubbins` guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" [01:10]
nubbins` anyway. on its way. i guess. [01:10]
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thestringpuller nubbins` [01:16]
thestringpuller no? [01:16]
thestringpuller oh cool [01:16]
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BingoBoingo if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << What about Chagas, Obola, and Syphillis? [01:39]
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scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [02:40]
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mircea_popescu saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ? [02:46]
mircea_popescu i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing. [02:47]
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mircea_popescu undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even. [02:48]
mircea_popescu i think half the liquid i drink is milk. [02:48]
mircea_popescu joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D [02:49]
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mircea_popescu undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ? [02:51]
mircea_popescu joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ? [02:52]
undata mircea_popescu: I wouldn't bat an eye. [02:54]
mircea_popescu undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two. [02:54]
mircea_popescu so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse [02:55]
mircea_popescu ie, wild apricots. [02:55]
mircea_popescu may be the worst scampeaches i ever did see. [02:55]
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scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [02:58]
mircea_popescu bwahhaha [02:58]
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mircea_popescu "o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!" [02:59]
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mircea_popescu saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened. [03:01]
mircea_popescu xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ? [03:01]
mircea_popescu saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash. [03:02]
mircea_popescu and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either. [03:02]
mircea_popescu which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit. [03:02]
mircea_popescu joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it << my bet is because you live in a place with shitty (ie, supermarket) fruit. [03:03]
mircea_popescu saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds [...] they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. << nothing is "meant", srsly. [03:04]
assbot Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube [03:04]
joecool mircea_popescu: nah, despite the fact i live in 'murica, i have grown my own fruit and vegetables [03:04]
BingoBoingo [03:04]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2014 13:26:02; BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet... [03:04]
mircea_popescu joecool but getting good fruit is a nontrivial pursuit. say you "made your own wine". well... ? so what if you did. [03:05]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat. [03:05]
mircea_popescu just a latin thing. [03:05]
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BingoBoingo Yeah. Bread is good. SOmetimes i do "Bread cleanses" where I'll get a big loaf of bread, some nice butter, and eat that for a day or two. [03:07]
mircea_popescu (incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it) [03:07]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. [03:07]
xanthyos <+mircea_popescu> xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot [03:08]
BingoBoingo Millet's probably in the que to become a hipster thing. They just have to work through the other fads. [03:08]
mircea_popescu ;;google cluj sora [03:08]
gribble Cluj-Napoca travel guide - Wikitravel: ; Cluj-Napoca – Travel guide at Wikivoyage: ; Sora Shopping Center - Visit CLUJ: [03:08]
mircea_popescu meanwhile it sold out, became a "shopping center" [03:08]
xanthyos <<< well, who is he ? << it was that thomas_d guy and also bagels7 but i think thomas is flaking out [03:08]
mircea_popescu xanthyos moar like, what do they do. [03:08]
xanthyos i don't know if i'm at liberty to reveal that information [03:08]
xanthyos bagels7: ? [03:08]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. << Well, I picked up the habit in school, so... [03:09]
mircea_popescu a, np [03:09]
joecool mircea_popescu: you mentioned you came out of retirement to start mpex, what was your trade before retiring? [03:09]
mircea_popescu joecool that was never very clearly specified. [03:10]
joecool is that a polite way of saying "i'd rather not disclose"? [03:11]
mircea_popescu well, it's a polite way of saying nothing at all :) [03:11]
joecool :) fair enough [03:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time. [03:12]
mircea_popescu which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p [03:12]
BingoBoingo I've never had the opportunity to actual yogurt. [03:12]
BingoBoingo Buttermilk is accessible here. [03:13]
mircea_popescu [03:14]
assbot Slappy the Squirrel Buttermilk Ad Chipmunk - YouTube [03:14]
BingoBoingo It's not the easiest thing to find, but actual cultured butter is still accesible here. [03:14]
BingoBoingo lol, makes a body bitter [03:15]
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gernika I suspect that there has not been much or any negative selection related to eating grains. Eating them doesn't kill you before you can breed. So yes, eventually they may or may not make you fat and give you diabetes, but not before you've had 10 kids fueled on starch alone. [03:20]
nubbins` grains are great [03:21]
mircea_popescu gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons [03:21]
cazalla 10 kids? wash ya mouth out [03:21]
mircea_popescu poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia [03:21]
nubbins` mircea_popescu iirc the b deficiencies were from doing whippets all day [03:21]
nubbins` LEL I KID [03:22]
mircea_popescu meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc. [03:22]
mircea_popescu ;;ud whippet [03:22]
gribble | Whipped-cream-in-a-can is propelled by nitrous oxide. This usage is the source of the term "whippet". The term has come to refer to any little canister that'll give ... [03:22]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:22]
ben_vulpes mmm nox [03:22]
gernika mircea_popescu ok I should substitute "mostly grain + small amount of meat and vegetables" for "starch alone" then [03:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with" [03:23]
nubbins` ben_vulpes i was recently trying to describe the sensation of being rendered unconscious by NO2 in a clinical setting. after hemming and hawing for a few minutes, i said "it's sort of like doing whippets until you pass out" [03:23]
nubbins` by the time "until" reached my lips, i realized that's exactly what it was 8) [03:24]
mircea_popescu gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes. [03:24]
mircea_popescu and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap. [03:24]
nubbins` ! [03:25]
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BingoBoingo The case of shitgnome vs. shitgnome [03:25]
assbot Help the GNOME Foundation defend the GNOME Trademark [03:25]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:25]
gernika mircea_popescu I'm guessing Egyptian workers/soldiers got the same. [03:26]
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mircea_popescu nah, not before caesar at any rate. [03:27]
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mircea_popescu for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat. [03:27]
ben_vulpes nice nubbins`. [03:27]
gernika well, no olives [03:27]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i feel like it was some sort of shitty type of wheat [03:28]
nubbins` actually maybe barley [03:29]
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mircea_popescu doubt it. maybe some sort of millet ? or rye ? [03:29]
mircea_popescu in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough [03:29]
mircea_popescu the romans made bread, ie, in an oven [03:29]
mircea_popescu huge fucken difference between frying and baking [03:29]
ben_vulpes emmer? [03:29]
gernika looks like barley and emmer wheat [03:29]
mircea_popescu emmer wheat ok. [03:29]
mircea_popescu farro. [03:30]
ben_vulpes wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then? [03:30]
gernika And apparently beer (from the barley) [03:30]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received [03:31]
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mircea_popescu sort-of like we snub our nose at mcdo hamburgers i guess. [03:36]
mircea_popescu same principle anyway. [03:36]
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mircea_popescu !up aspho [03:37]
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aspho Hey, did qntra just go coindesk or what? - (reddit of all places, sigh) [03:37]
assbot National Bank of Ukraine: Bitcoin Not to Be Used for Payments | [03:37]
assbot Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin [03:37]
nubbins` hrm [03:38]
nubbins` "your order number is 999" [03:38]
nubbins` o.O [03:38]
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mircea_popescu "There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country" [03:39]
mircea_popescu there are reports... coulda been worse. [03:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i suppose some sort of revision's in order ? [03:39]
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cazalla aspho, the post references the stupidity of "issuing missives via Facebook post" so no, Qntra has not done coindesk [03:40]
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aspho Semantics isn't it? [03:41]
aspho tbf I read it both ways [03:42]
mircea_popescu cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ? [03:42]
BingoBoingo << Doesn't seem to contradict the Qntra report. [03:42]
assbot Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin [03:42]
mircea_popescu "Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..." [03:43]
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mircea_popescu lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b [03:49]
mircea_popescu andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means [03:49]
mircea_popescu an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything. [03:49]
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mircea_popescu saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar. [03:53]
cazalla aspho, BingoBoingo has updated the post to clarify but fwiw i was implied it might not be factual given facebook [03:54]
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cazalla and as good as we are at qntra, we make mistakes, we are not infallible [03:55]
BingoBoingo As far as the Warburg stuff goes. It's generally accepted that cancer cells generally turn to some some of anearobes, but... SOmetimes it works the opposite way like in breast cancer, and the change over almost certainly seems to not be the cause of the cancer. [03:56]
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cazalla i think only one person claims to be, eh thickasthieves? *rimshot* [03:56]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything [03:56]
aspho Cazalla: I see where you're coming from. not pointing fingers, just helping out (although it gets attention comparing with coindesk heh) [03:57]
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mircea_popescu aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet. [03:57]
mircea_popescu as opposed to "getting attention" [03:57]
BingoBoingo Well, someone invented the HTML strikethrough tag for a reason [03:58]
mircea_popescu xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk << resent less, live longer. definitely happier. [03:58]
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xanthyos bagels7: speak to the man! [03:59]
aspho ya next time [03:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, pop-medicine is like pop-computing. sort-of php. [03:59]
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BingoBoingo Eh, wait to people find out they make glucose... [04:00]
Vexual hey glucose is fat free [04:00]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, from a political standpoint the "no sugar" angle is good. i'm stuck mostly eating homemade cake because everyone's convinced you need sugar by the bucket. "gotta be sweet man!" [04:01]
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mircea_popescu in the end conversion from online recipe to edible recipe is cup of sugar -> spoonful of sugar [04:01]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, as far as i understand (not an expert) the reason neoplasm mostly turns anaerobic is that apoptosis main branch and aerobic respiration share some protein pathways. so it often gets deleted in the same pass as it were, "no electricity" means no music and no light at the same time. [04:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That seems to go with what I read as well. [04:06]
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BingoBoingo The problem of cancer is cell division and cells not self destructing when they come up defective because the checking mechanism's broke. The anerobe thing is a side effect. [04:07]
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xanthyos hi bagels7 [04:08]
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mircea_popescu cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << at least it has what to lose lol [04:09]
mircea_popescu punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos << you know that read "more dildos". which.... hm. [04:09]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" << bwahahaha [04:10]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: what I think about BA or about the steak there? [04:11]
mircea_popescu about the steak there. [04:11]
fluffypony oh I'm dead keen [04:12]
fluffypony the steak here has mostly been average, I've had one above-average steak and that was at Seasons52 in Los Angeles [04:12]
mircea_popescu i had no idea sa is actually famous for steak, but apparently. [04:12]
nubbins` yup [04:14]
nubbins` i worked in a restaurant here in canada, they served argentine beef [04:14]
mircea_popescu nubbins` south africa. i know argentine beef is famous. [04:14]
fluffypony nubbins` btw [04:14]
nubbins` oh THAT south ___ [04:14]
nubbins` they did not serve south african beef [04:14]
fluffypony I went to the Adventure Expo in Salt Lake City wearing the t-shirts you made [04:15]
fluffypony and got stopped and asked about Bitcoin by 3 people :) [04:15]
nubbins` not bad! [04:15]
nubbins` imagine if you'd brought your poster with you :p [04:15]
fluffypony lol [04:15]
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mircea_popescu imagine if you were naked! [04:15]
mircea_popescu no wait. [04:15]
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mircea_popescu that wouldn't work. [04:15]
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fluffypony hah hah [04:16]
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mircea_popescu ;;bare tits tshirt [04:17]
BingoBoingo Peoples with mobile devices, test the qntra layout [04:17]
gribble Error: "bare" is not a valid command. [04:17]
nubbins` walk up to naked dude, "what about bitcoin?" [04:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google bare tits tshirt [04:17]
gribble Amateur girls in wet tshirts flashing boobs - Video Dailymotion: ; wet shirt contest topless nude - Video Dailymotion: ; Big Tits and Fine Ass Wet T-Shirt Contest - Video Dailymotion: (1 more message) [04:17]
mircea_popescu check out the dailymotion monopoly. [04:17]
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mircea_popescu anyway, something like [04:19]
mircea_popescu nubbins` can you do that, but for male shirts ? [04:19]
mircea_popescu "Bitcoin brings out the best in you" or w/e. [04:19]
nubbins` maybe a hand cupping the genitals [04:19]
nubbins` another arm strapped across a flabby, hairy chest [04:20]
mircea_popescu make a 6pack one for girls [04:20]
mircea_popescu nah dude, genderbendin'! [04:20]
nubbins` heh [04:22]
nubbins` far out! [04:23]
nubbins` speaking of, here's the cover of the book we're working on now [04:23]
nubbins` [04:23]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` is that an acid dropping guide ? [04:30]
Vexual he is [04:30]
nubbins` metallic inks on black paper [04:31]
nubbins` you should see the inside :0 [04:31]
mircea_popescu "As a woman, peeing is a very big part of my life. It’s something I do often, and something I do well." [04:31]
mircea_popescu god help us. [04:31]
xiando tl;dr 1) Do not do it alone 2) Do it with friends you trust 3) Do it in a calm safe place 4) Have some good music prepared [04:31]
nubbins` xiando out of left field [04:31]
mircea_popescu xiando apparently his guide is "go birdwatching" [04:31]
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nubbins` solo trip is something one must experience at least once [04:32]
cazalla did once at 15 on mushrooms, freaked out, called poison hotline, told not to eat mushrooms again [04:32]
mircea_popescu "I’m not some feminist radical Jane Fonda of the 70s type women, but I hate bras. I hate the way they feel. They are uncomfortable. They bind, they chafe, and when you have small breasts, they ride up." [04:32]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's the problem. the way they feel. just like you should be having bigger tits. [04:33]
Vexual it's all about the duck [04:33]
nubbins` duck w/ mushrooms is nice [04:33]
nubbins` oh wait sorry [04:33]
BingoBoingo [04:34]
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nubbins` the greater black-backed gull [04:38]
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xiando Mr. McMurtry said his handling of a case is sometimes determined by department wish lists. "If you want the car, and you really want to put it in your fleet, let me know -- I'll fight for it," Mr. McMurtry said, MUURICA and we got similar local laws last month [04:39]
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xiando I remember when we had freedom of speech and property rights in Sweeden. Good times [04:39]
joecool wat jewelry too hard to dispose of? [04:39]
BingoBoingo joecool: The proceeds from selling that go into the general fund and not the law enforcement fund, so why bother? [04:40]
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cazalla xiando, now you just have niggers raping da white wimminz? [04:41]
BingoBoingo Also yeah, jewellry is a sucker's market. [04:41]
xiando Not sure if joke and I don't like the N word but: We do not have any here. None. I have perhaps seen 1 this year. People from the middle east? quite a lot. But no black people. [04:42]
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asciilifeform incidentally (ianal!!) but usa has a federal law prescribing punishment for destroying property in order to prevent, iirc, 'lawful seizure.' does this still apply for... unlawful seizure? [04:43]
nubbins` "i don't like the N word but we do not have any here" lel any what? [04:44]
xiando black people [04:44]
nubbins` 8) [04:44]
xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. [04:45]
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nubbins` sorry, i was just amused by the way you worded your sentence. i know what you mean :D [04:45]
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joecool lol i saw only 2 black people the month i was in newfoundland, was strange [04:47]
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ben_vulpes hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me? [04:50]
ben_vulpes well "with me" [04:50]
ben_vulpes i say "make this thing" [04:50]
joecool he said the a-word, pass [04:51]
joecool ben_vulpes: what's the budget [04:51]
ben_vulpes the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime [04:51]
ben_vulpes its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on [04:52]
cazalla xiando, we don't have black people in australia so i was not aware nigger is offensive, thank you for telling me [04:52]
BingoBoingo cazalla: What about the Abbos? [04:53]
cazalla !up Vexual [04:53]
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nubbins` ben_vulpes what's the app for [04:53]
cazalla BingoBoingo, they are not people [04:53]
joecool abbies yo [04:53]
joecool good to know [04:53]
Vexual xiando, I'm black and I hand out down by the canl in stockholm after sunset sometimes, you haven't seen me? [04:53]
nubbins` Vexual whoa that's where i buy weed [04:54]
nubbins` crazy [04:54]
Vexual just jewelry [04:54]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out [05:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:06]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from [05:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:06]
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decimation << herr Walker reviews a book which describes the pitiful state of usg's land-based icbms [05:13]
assbot Reading List: Command and Control (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason) [05:13]
mircea_popescu xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. << who're you gonna believe. [05:15]
decimation the lefties then interview young men who gave their youth to usg to 'man missiles' [05:15]
assbot Death Wears Bunny Slippers | Mother Jones [05:15]
mircea_popescu xiando, I'm black << are you actually ? [05:16]
mircea_popescu decimation inasmuch as those things are about as useful as the five foot tall plaster cake in a confectioner's window, wut diff does it make. [05:16]
Vexual notrly [05:17]
decimation what, the icbms? [05:17]
mircea_popescu yes [05:18]
decimation yeah: "Ditching the ICBMs would save taxpayers $14 billion over the next 10 years, but not everyone's a fan of the idea: Senators from states where the missiles are based and tested have formed an ICBM caucus that isn't shy to throw its weight around. As a condition for confirming Rose Gottemoeller, Obama's recent pick for undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, the caucus insisted that the Pentagon [05:18]
decimation maintain all 454 ICBM silos, even through it is trimming the number of missiles to 400. (Yes, we will man and maintain 54 empty silos.)" [05:18]
decimation "Instead, most defense experts believe that in almost all foreseeable scenarios we'd strike with a bomber or a submarine, deployed from nearby shores or military bases." [05:18]
decimation it's pretty likely the Ruskies have already surveyed each icbm site to the millimeter [05:19]
asciilifeform decimation: that was sorta the point. tie up opponent's rockets, fewer remain for cities and known sub coordinates [05:21]
asciilifeform decimation: of course, this is back when the advantage of land rocket was used - they were once fitted with 'mirv' [05:21]
decimation which makes more sense of course [05:22]
asciilifeform so, the land rockets, sitting ducks as they were, were still forced targets [05:22]
Vexual ftas is where its at [05:22]
decimation and the youth who stumbled into the chumpatron of 'manning' the missiles become human statues [05:23]
asciilifeform human statues << unlike every other military sentry? [05:23]
asciilifeform srsly, they signed up for human statue detail [05:23]
Vexual were signing with china to provide more beef every year than we have, checkmate [05:23]
decimation asciilifeform: the youth in the motherjones story claims he wanted to be a pilot, air force changed the eyesight rules, suddenly a missiler is he [05:23]
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asciilifeform lol, it was always traditional wisdom that a fellow with less than perfect eyes will fly 'mahogany bombers' [05:24]
decimation << usg wants to physically demonstrate ascii's anti-missiie theory [05:24]
assbot U.S. Missile Defense Agency Intercepts Three Targets in “Raid” Test | [05:24]
mod6 cazalla BingoBoingo would either of you guys mind tweeting out a link to this? [05:24]
assbot Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignty Filed | [05:24]
decimation "But during his senior year, the Air Force ended a waiver program that allowed cadets with imperfect vision—including Aaron—to earn their wings, so after graduation he grudgingly settled for a position at Malmstrom. He was hardly alone in his lack of enthusiasm: According to one study, less than one-third of missileers ever wanted that job. When Aaron hit on women in bars in Great Falls, he would sometimes say he was a wind [05:25]
decimation turbine technician." [05:25]
asciilifeform 'He later confessed to chatting for most of a night with the hotel's cigar sales lady, who was asking questions "about physics and optics"—and thinking to himself: "Dude, this doesn't normally happen." Carey was stripped of his command in October' << lol, 'cigar lady' gets 'order of lenin.' [05:25]
decimation hehe [05:26]
decimation the mind boggles at all the similar stories that are stuffed in some usg filing cabinet [05:26]
asciilifeform all the 'mother jones' photos are from an ancient museum silo [05:27]
asciilifeform i saw them a hundred times. [05:27]
cazalla mod6, all posts get tweeted out automatically [05:27]
asciilifeform shame. [05:27]
asciilifeform what man, woman, child on planet hasn't seen the 'domino pizza' one ? [05:27]
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decimation asciilifeform: you see to show you inside of a 'real site' would reveal 60 year old secrets [05:28]
asciilifeform lol, like the lock. [05:28]
asciilifeform (posted here, ~6 mo. ago) [05:28]
asciilifeform 'sewer pipes in two Malmstrom launch facilities ruptured and a deep stew of human waste lingered at the bottom of the capsules. Despite the intolerable stench, the colonel in charge refused to take the units offline for repair. The men were instead ordered to defecate in a cardboard box lined with a plastic bag, but since nobody wanted to carry the box upstairs when it got full, the missileers began relieving t [05:29]
asciilifeform hemselves from a gangplank directly into the bottom of the capsule. This went on for four or five months.' [05:29]
asciilifeform mega-lol. [05:29]
decimation hehe yeah [05:29]
decimation of course, the reason: "A string of investigations concluded that the nuclear corps had lost its "zero defect" culture. In response, the Air Force launched a program to "sustain, modernize, and recapitalize its nuclear capability." What that meant in practice, Aaron says, was punishing the rank and file for past mistakes while the colonels swept the bigger problems under the rug." [05:29]
decimation this is generally standard usg management practice as far as I can tell [05:30]
decimation pretend things are swell, shoot any messengers that say otherwise, rotate to a 'diversity tour' before mistakes are obvious [05:30]
decimation I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too [05:31]
mod6 cazalla: huh. ok. didn't see that one in the list. maybe i missed it? [05:31]
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cazalla mod6, i just checked, it didn't go out, i'm guessing the auto feed thing didn't catch it after i changed it from sgornick's account to mine [05:33]
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ben_vulpes this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew. [05:37]
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mod6 ben_vulpes: heheh [05:39]
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mircea_popescu i saw them a hundred times. << the problem with the new, cheaper "media" [05:42]
mircea_popescu using stock photos only works if you're read by monkeys. [05:42]
mircea_popescu it's like a strategic decision that "people who read us aren't actually interested" [05:42]
asciilifeform [05:43]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' [05:43]
mircea_popescu I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too << not exactly. [05:46]
assbot Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:46]
mircea_popescu "samocritika" [05:46]
n6 Namworld nanotube napedia Naphex nezZario nhanH nick1234abcd NormDePloome nubbins` [05:46]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes clearly, sabotage. [05:46]
mircea_popescu by the way ben_vulpes mod6 you two plan to make some sort of monthly "state of the bitcoin" address to go with jurov's reports ? [05:47]
mircea_popescu "As the night proceeded, all of the Carter era military malaise became evident. The Air Force lied to local law enforcement and media about what was happening, couldn't communicate with first responders, failed to send an evacuation helicopter for a gravely injured person because an irrelevant piece of equipment wasn't available, and could not come to a decision about how to respond as the situation deteriorated. Also [05:49]
mircea_popescu on display was the heroism of individuals, in the Air Force and outside, who took matters into their own hands on the spot, rescued people, monitored the situation, evacuated nearby farms in the path of toxic clouds, and improvised as events required." [05:49]
mircea_popescu this is a pretty good quote. "oh noes, what would we do without government" ? [05:49]
mircea_popescu i dunno dude. a) not have the problems and b) solve them the same exact way they're currently solved anyway ? [05:49]
decimation right, once it is obvious that the emperor has no clothes, regular folks just take it upon themselves to solve problems [05:50]
mircea_popescu but with or without the emperor, clothed or not, it is still the regular folks. [05:51]
mircea_popescu this guy reading the code and that guy making the log work and so on and so forth [05:51]
mircea_popescu the pretense of "government" is nothing but exactly that : pretense. useful, to a very limited degree, for fucktards, like the kids that won't "learn" unless there's santa there with the notebook. [05:52]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass [05:52]
mircea_popescu as if that sort of kid ever learns anything anyway. [05:52]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes howdja mean. [05:52]
ben_vulpes but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please. [05:52]
ben_vulpes !s glue glass [05:53]
assbot 3 results for 'glue glass' : [05:53]
mircea_popescu i c [05:53]
decimation "1. The National Assembly decrees that hereditary nobility is forever abolished. Consequently, the titles of Prince, Duke, Count, Marquis, Viscount, Vidame, Baron, Knight, Lord, Squire, Noble, and all other similar titles shall neither be accepted by, nor bestowed upon, anyone whomsoever." [05:57]
assbot Abolition of Nobility [05:57]
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decimation !up Vexual [05:58]
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Vexual I heard a great story about regular people getting shit done, it was the 1930s, aeroplanes and radio were the latest shit [06:13]
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Vexual there was an intercontinental comp, all the latest birds.. the one aluminum beast in the race got into trouble in a storm in australia [06:16]
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Vexual i forget the rest, but they eneded up over some town that realised they were trying to land, and they broke into the town lighting and started doing morse code with the streetlights [06:17]
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Vexual then they broke into the radio station and told everyone to take their cars and make a landing strip with their headlights, it was a big success [06:17]
decimation .... . .-.. .--. [06:18]
decimation [06:19]
assbot How One Australian Town Helped A Doomed Plane Win History's Greatest Air Race [06:19]
Vexual I'm prolly way off [06:19]
Vexual I remember some other pilot hit the whisky hard and landed with half a gallon to spare [06:20]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: My plan for now is to just post a summary of the on-goings to the mailing list once per month. This seems like a good start. I can even coordinate with jurov to post the summary before the statement so he can link it in there. [06:23]
Vexual his navigator and wife was unhappy [06:23]
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ben_vulpes might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold [06:29]
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ben_vulpes individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by [06:30]
assbot Bagels7 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [06:30]
ben_vulpes lol apropos [06:30]
ben_vulpes !up bagels7 [06:30]
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ben_vulpes bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that? [06:31]
bagels7 Im really not sure [06:31]
ben_vulpes ;;ident bagels7 [06:31]
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ben_vulpes kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power [06:33]
ben_vulpes he's not even noisy these days [06:33]
Vexual it's a use [06:34]
ben_vulpes owait misread the + for a - [06:34]
mircea_popescu that's an abuse of your reading! [06:34]
Vexual it's a use [06:34]
ben_vulpes stop abusing me! [06:34]
mircea_popescu bagels7 you xanthyos' friend ? [06:34]
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Vexual niki minaj does have a new track tho... hmm [06:35]
bagels7 yes mircea_popescu [06:35]
ben_vulpes Vexual: after all i've done for you... [06:36]
ben_vulpes (i can't resist - what is it?!) [06:36]
Vexual your newfound love of lisp [06:36]
ben_vulpes no no the nikki [06:36]
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ben_vulpes i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce [06:37]
Vexual she might have been reading the logs [06:39]
* asciilifeform fell into sin; for the first time in half a decade, cracked a copy protection gizmo [06:40]
* asciilifeform grunted for ~100 hours on it, very gnarly boobytrap, defused. [06:40]
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assbot Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube [06:42]
ben_vulpes ^^ for the third reich afficionados [06:42]
asciilifeform nein nein nein nein nein. [06:43]
* asciilifeform not impressed [06:43]
Vexual lol [06:43]
ben_vulpes it's the best modern america can do [06:44]
Vexual .... . .-.. .--. [06:50]
Vexual jurov is a title in this new state? [06:55]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes (isambard k. brunel!) - saw the 'github.' might be worth making a note on re: the 'github' not being authoritative. [06:56]
asciilifeform (can you see why important?) [06:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22978 @ 0.000648 = 14.8897 BTC [+] [06:57]
Vexual is it because the rigged snakes and ladders borard i send as tribut eisn't on it? [07:01]
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pete_dushenski ahoy [07:12]
pete_dushenski !up Vexual [07:13]
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Vexual you planning to inject some bc into the australian economy pete_dushenski? [07:14]
pete_dushenski fiat for sure [07:14]
pete_dushenski btc is tbd [07:14]
Vexual good timing [07:16]
Vexual dies gribble do fiat pairs? [07:17]
Vexual ;;google 1 aud in usd [07:19]
gribble XE: (AUD/USD) Australian Dollar to US Dollar Rate: ; - AUD/USD Chart: ; XE: (USD/AUD) US Dollar to Australian Dollar Rate: [07:19]
Vexual thanks [07:19]
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Vexual did you buy any plastic money yet pete_dushenski? they don't take greenback here [07:23]
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pete_dushenski cad is plastic too yknow [07:24]
joecool it smells of maple syrup too [07:24]
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pete_dushenski and beavers [07:26]
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Vexual you'll get a better rate at home [07:27]
pete_dushenski oh most definitely [07:27]
pete_dushenski not my first overseas rodeo ;) [07:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39695 @ 0.00064443 = 25.5806 BTC [-] [07:28]
* joecool actually wasn't kidding [07:28]
pete_dushenski lol how do you figure joecool ? [07:29]
pete_dushenski not like anyone here uses cash anyways [07:29]
pete_dushenski debit, credit, etc is 95% of cad transactions [07:29]
joecool < [07:29]
assbot Does Canada's $100 Bill Smell Like Maple Syrup? Many Say So : The Two-Way : NPR [07:29]
Vexual our money smells like chanel 5 [07:30]
joecool pete_dushenski: i used it until i had interac (debit), a lot of places will not do credit [07:30]
pete_dushenski which part of canada was that in? [07:31]
joecool ontario [07:31]
joecool GTA [07:31]
pete_dushenski right. in ontario for sure [07:32]
pete_dushenski credit is widely used in alberta: hot economy, bezzlemania [07:32]
pete_dushenski only bubble tea shops are debit/cash [07:32]
joecool yeah i don't recall having much issue in the maritimes this summer, i was fine in montreal too [07:33]
pete_dushenski ontario is also a far larger province so there's a much wider range of businesses [07:33]
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pete_dushenski alberta is mostly franchises, sorta the only thing that can keep up with the insane horizontal expansion of cities [07:33]
pete_dushenski montreal definitely likes its cash [07:34]
Vexual who doesnt? [07:34]
pete_dushenski i was in montreal last weekend and i gotta say it's downright enjoyable to be in a city with a proper mafia [07:34]
pete_dushenski the cops are nowhere near as uppity and self-important [07:35]
joecool heh, i'll head back there this winter sometime, fun city [07:35]
pete_dushenski it probably helps that the cops in mtl drive dodge caravans [07:35]
pete_dushenski the least threatening mode of transport since the segway [07:35]
pete_dushenski joecool one of my favs as well [07:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00064776 = 27.2059 BTC [+] [07:36]
pete_dushenski what takes you there? [07:36]
joecool a longtime friend of mine lives there [07:36]
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pete_dushenski a nice [07:38]
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pete_dushenski i'd definitely recommend checking out the anthropological museum if you haven't already [07:38]
Vexual is montreal qbec? [07:38]
joecool yes [07:39]
pete_dushenski plus this polish restaurant in the old town with the most fantastic borscht [07:39]
pete_dushenski Vexual mhm [07:39]
pete_dushenski lemme find the name of that restaurant... [07:39]
pete_dushenski [07:39]
assbot Montreal Restaurant - Polish Food - Stash Cafe [07:39]
pete_dushenski the canard roti was most excellent as well [07:40]
pete_dushenski it was an entire half bird! [07:41]
Vexual one might arrive by horse drawn cart? [07:41]
pete_dushenski lol actually yes [07:41]
pete_dushenski saifedean:lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... << heh the guy's gone deeper into the archives that i'd thought. i like! [07:42]
Vexual bitchin [07:42]
Vexual whats to drink?, theres no list [07:43]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? << this is incidentally exactly why we should s/google/duckduckgo already [07:43]
pete_dushenski Vexual rotating list i guess [07:43]
pete_dushenski byob is pretty common in mtl though [07:43]
Vexual ill have the soup [07:43]
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pete_dushenski only just starting to see this in alberta [07:43]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. << i lasted 3 months. maybe coulda gone longer? [07:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064443 = 4.511 BTC [-] [07:45]
xanthyos ;;gettrust bagels7 [07:46]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7! Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [07:46]
xanthyos !up bagels7 [07:46]
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xanthyos omg [07:46]
xanthyos sophie bagelz in teh wot! [07:46]
xanthyos ;;rate bagels7 1 known on efnet and tinychat 5 years. friendly, courteous canadian. average- to poor-skilled internet poker player. [07:49]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bagels7 has been recorded. [07:49]
pete_dushenski punkbot deed [07:49]
punkbot pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. [07:49]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 14-day Eviction Notice - [07:49]
pete_dushenski ^an experiment ;D [07:49]
xanthyos !up vexual [07:50]
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pete_dushenski bagels7 is canadian eh? [07:50]
xanthyos montreal [07:50]
Vexual is sophie hot xanthyos? [07:50]
pete_dushenski lol what a coincidence! [07:50]
Vexual or does she just ug up tinychat? [07:51]
xanthyos !down Vexual [07:51]
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pete_dushenski lol [07:52]
pete_dushenski don't mess with xanthyos' girl [07:52]
xanthyos just a friend [07:53]
pete_dushenski cool [07:53]
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xanthyos !up vexual [07:56]
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Vexual i was joking how tinychat isn't a thing [07:56]
Vexual unlees youre 15 [07:57]
pete_dushenski saifedean:my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human << this does sound rather splendid. [07:58]
pete_dushenski good food never goes out of fashion, even if it might occupy a smaller piece of the pie in bezzletimes [07:58]
Vexual theres really nothing better to spend money on than food [07:59]
pete_dushenski saifedean: Vancouver is another possibility... << try affording to live there. bon chance! [07:59]
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pete_dushenski vancouver is the worst major city, in essentially every regard, and all of which stem from a hyperbezzle housing market, in canada... after toronto. [08:01]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it's bonne chance you kno [08:01]
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pete_dushenski so it is! [08:02]
pete_dushenski saifedean: they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans << for steaks, alberta is up there. [08:02]
punkbot Bundled 1 deed | [08:02]
pete_dushenski as long as you avoid the hipster derps with their grass-fed sous vide nonsense [08:02]
pete_dushenski they try so hard, and fail so large [08:03]
mircea_popescu ahahaha eviction notice deed ? [08:03]
mircea_popescu win. [08:03]
Vexual pete_dushenski: are you adverse to shellfish like lobster? [08:04]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu something different eh? [08:05]
pete_dushenski Vexual ya, not much for shellfish, only started eating fish in the last 2 years. [08:05]
mircea_popescu punkman maybe add a "total deeds in total bundles" thing between the address and your contact ? [08:05]
mircea_popescu <<< tho i gotta say this is pretty sweet. [08:06]
assbot Trusted keys | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [08:06]
mircea_popescu could it be sortable by columns ? (most browsers support this afaik, needs a table class="datadisplay sortable") [08:07]
Vexual consider lobster, it's not really a shellfish [08:07]
mircea_popescu also, total trust prolly shouldn't be emphasized. [08:08]
Vexual yay [08:08]
pete_dushenski reading the logs about paleo, black coffee etc, the health-related upsides of this cult are readily apparent. [08:10]
pete_dushenski this should be part of our marketing hook [08:10]
pete_dushenski it's not enough to just pretend to be all-powerful and all-conquering and then execute [08:11]
Vexual no, one should always stop off for lunch somewhere nice on the journey [08:12]
pete_dushenski saifedean: if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << aren't nuts part of paleo ? [08:12]
* pete_dushenski researching which "nuts" are actually seeds. can't remember [08:13]
pete_dushenski " 'nuts' that aren’t include Brazil nuts, Cashews, Walnuts, Coconuts, Macadamia nuts, Peanuts, Tom Cruise, and Pistachios" [08:14]
Vexual theres no good reasoning to a paleo diet, it's no bread no pasta no fun [08:14]
asciilifeform paleo << ahahaha. [08:14]
pete_dushenski oh, plus almonds [08:14]
* asciilifeform waits for paleobitcoin where we calculate the way the gods meant us to, with little calculi - pebbles. [08:15]
cazalla pete_dushenski, i don't know about cashews, there is a shortage didya know? [08:16]
Vexual really? [08:16]
cazalla Vexual, yeah big cashew shortage [08:16]
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Vexual i got more cashews than chicken last night [08:16]
pete_dushenski bigger chicken shortage [08:17]
pete_dushenski it's all relative [08:17]
Vexual gotta prepare them properly cashews [08:17]
asciilifeform who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion? [08:17]
pete_dushenski jane goodall? [08:18]
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pete_dushenski cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << chin up soldier! [08:19]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [08:19]
Vexual satoshi expose will fix that [08:20]
Vexual or you get foot in mouth [08:21]
* asciilifeform goes off for paleosleep [08:22]
Vexual or some variation of loose stool [08:22]
* asciilifeform or no, he won't, because likes box spring, rather than pit of own shit [08:22]
Vexual don't chew the pillow; it's cotton [08:22]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [08:23]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [08:23]
* asciilifeform reminds listeners still tuned in that 'reversed stupidity is not intelligence.' [08:23]
asciilifeform avoiding mickey-d and other fine recyclable edibles does not lead to immortality. cheers. [08:23]
pete_dushenski cheers asciilifeform [08:25]
pete_dushenski and by extension of the same point, pure-mcd's diet does not lead to immediate death [08:26]
pete_dushenski these mortal coils being made out of some resilient shit [08:26]
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punkbot Confirmed bundle 1JHpQ1ASmtNXg39tvGghDjyQE4r3n5cVYk | [08:43]
pete_dushenski [08:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [08:56]
assbot Amazing Photos Of China's Newest Stealth Jet Show Growing Air Might [08:56]
pete_dushenski !up Vexual [09:05]
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Vexual thanks, that cargo plane look sexy [09:05]
pete_dushenski heh ya. [09:06]
pete_dushenski china's air force has got it going on [09:06]
Vexual they don't fuck about thats for sure [09:07]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados << damn. wayne still has it! [09:07]
Vexual even the awac version looks good like tey designed both at once [09:08]
Vexual the tail missile holds the radar [09:09]
Vexual i dont hink anything so useful ever looked so good [09:10]
mats_cd03 twin engine f35 [09:11]
Vexual meh [09:11]
mats_cd03 oh god thats rich [09:11]
Vexual they dont even work yet [09:11]
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Vexual do yo uthink that awac plane is pretend? [09:13]
Vexual nope , it needs a big arse runway [09:14]
Vexual ok f35s are pretty cool [09:15]
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mats_cd03 i doubt any of it is fake hardware [09:19]
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Vexual f35 looks way cooler than chinese fighters [09:19]
mats_cd03 it all exists already and its not like dod affiliates have good security [09:20]
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mats_cd03 thank usg taxpayers for latest advances in cn, ru aircraft design [09:22]
Vexual well a mig would prolly shoot the shit outta that thing today [09:23]
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mats_cd03 ;;ticker [09:26]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 370.58, Best ask: 371.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 370.58, 24 hour volume: 19077.46038459, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 377.77, 24 hour vwap: 370.039710474 [09:26]
Vexual pilots fly planes [09:26]
mats_cd03 go on [09:26]
Vexual i dunno i heard some people are dissapointed with f35s [09:27]
mats_cd03 they are known to suck [09:27]
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mats_cd03 aircraft design by committee usually does [09:28]
Vexual leaving an fa-18 can't be easy [09:29]
Vexual those fucker lready go straight up [09:31]
mats_cd03 [09:34]
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mats_cd03 footnote 7 is great [09:43]
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mircea_popescu who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion? << was this one of the lefty us "anthropologists" that keep going to sleep with apes in africa ? [10:01]
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saifedean samO_ samson_ sgnb so starsoccer steven-___ supay [10:24]
mircea_popescu !up saifedean [10:24]
-assbot- You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. [10:24]
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mircea_popescu you really gotta get into the wot [10:24]
saifedean i do, and you really gotta get paleo :) [10:25]
saifedean it's just that computer literacy, wot, irc gpg, and all that is just too much to process at the same time [10:25]
saifedean until last week i spent my life using my computer like i use my washing machine, just getting my dirty deeds done as quickly as possible [10:26]
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mircea_popescu "Dovecot's author takes pride in secure design and implementation. A reward of EUR 1,000 (approximately $1,310 USD, £840 GBP, 130000 Yen as of May 2013) has been announced for finding any remotely exploitable security flaw." [10:36]
mircea_popescu o.O [10:36]
mircea_popescu !up saifedean [10:36]
-assbot- You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. [10:36]
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saifedean thanks for the voice, mp! [10:37]
mircea_popescu ye [10:37]
saifedean mp: " eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?" <<< you stop being a teenage girl about it and enjoy life without these sugar highs and their crashes. Getting your energy from animal fats makes you constantly alert and with high energy reserves, not dependent on getting your next sugar kick to do anything, and not constantly crashing. [10:38]
mircea_popescu but... i am neither ? [10:39]
saifedean "you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?" how very publicly spirited of you, sacrificing your own health so you can eat in a way that lets peasants survive in giant urban hell-holes! [10:39]
mircea_popescu i dun care either way lol [10:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00064863 = 39.5664 BTC [+] {3} [10:40]
saifedean the point from looking at evolution is not to mimic the life of ancient humans, it is to figure out what are the things that make our lives better and what makes it worse. humans love to dip in streams, seas and rivers, and washing copies that. humans only recently developed condoms, and sex in condoms does definitively suck. having unwanted kids sucks more, so you do have to don one, but you would still rather not. [10:42]
mircea_popescu it doesn't suck, get out. [10:42]
cazalla saifedean, fuck yeah paleo, do you slaughter your animals with your barehands or what? [10:43]
* cazalla ripped the head off a rabbit and fried it in butter with rosemary for dinner.. PALEO! [10:43]
mircea_popescu cazalla you actually eat the brain ? [10:44]
cazalla no, that goes into compost [10:44]
cazalla i've read something about some rabbit brain disease that is not destroyed by cooking [10:45]
saifedean the brain is the best part! [10:45]
cazalla saifedean, i'll eat the kidneys/liver sometimes but compost the rest [10:45]
saifedean yeah i was kidding, ive rarely had rabbits and never had its brain, but i do love sheep brains, and all gizzards [10:46]
mircea_popescu well, all nervous accumulates prions, but i dunno what the situation is for rabbit [10:46]
mircea_popescu imbeciles doing "scientific" cattle raising in europe have sadly made oxtail soup too risky [10:47]
mircea_popescu a fie upon their early graves! [10:47]
saifedean lots of good research on the effect of grains on human brains... [10:49]
assbot Grain Brain: The Surprising Truth about Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar--Your Brain's Silent Killers: David Perlmutter, Kristin Loberg: 9780316234801: Books [10:49]
mircea_popescu yeah yeah, quod me nutrit [10:49]
saifedean really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely. [10:50]
saifedean but anyways, enough diet preaching, [10:50]
mircea_popescu im not dismissing it per se [10:51]
cazalla saifedean, can i drink alcohol on paleo? [10:52]
saifedean the less sugary, the better, so i think vodka is the least bad [10:52]
saifedean obviously, you can do whatever you want, and you can always have things in moderation and your body will be fine. the problem is when you have things in excess, when they become a regular part of your diet, and that is true for alcohol as well as grains [10:53]
mircea_popescu well so then. [10:53]
saifedean i'm 34 and in better shape than i ever was, much fitter and stronger than when i was 18. i play football with my university's varsity team, the fittest 18-22 year olds in my college and i'm in better shape than most of them. when i was their age, i was nowhere near fit enough to get into a varsity team, 15 years later, with paleo, i am! [10:54]
mircea_popescu you should be on tv. [10:55]
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saifedean lol, i had my own tv show when i was in college... [10:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0006491 = 5.4524 BTC [+] [10:56]
saifedean a young people channel's debate show, it was horrific, but fortunately predates youtube and so no evidence of it remains [10:56]
mircea_popescu luckly you [10:56]
cazalla i've been on tv too but not my own show heh [10:57]
cazalla actually, twice [10:57]
punkman [10:58]
assbot !Mediengruppe Bitnik | Random Darknet Shopper [10:58]
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mircea_popescu is this like the new tor ? [11:00]
mircea_popescu "nobody will think of wwwwww" ? [11:00]
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punkman [11:04]
assbot Uber's Ratings Terrorize Drivers And Trick Riders. Why Not Fix Them? - Forbes [11:04]
punkman "At the end of the trip, the driver turned around and begged my fiancee to give him five stars, explaining that he was one bad review away from being deactivated and losing his access to the platform. He wouldn’t let us out of the cab until she promised to do so" [11:04]
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mircea_popescu ugh [11:06]
punkman yep [11:07]
cazalla anyway this is me on tv, ya might need to turn the sound up to hear and look at the middle of the tv screen to see skype call pop up [11:07]
assbot i'm on TV, oh shiz, first cops, now this, imma be a star son! - YouTube [11:07]
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cazalla guy on right did a toshiba laptop scam tv pitch and i pranked him over and over on live tv [11:07]
cazalla poor cunt didn't know what to do [11:08]
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mircea_popescu lol [11:34]
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cazalla first swatting i've seen that involved a fkn helicopter lol [12:02]
assbot Bungie exec swatted | [12:02]
mircea_popescu heh [12:04]
mircea_popescu bet you it's a "feminist" [12:04]
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BingoBoingo The problem is neither the caller, nor the swatted person. The problem is the proliferation of swat teams [12:07]
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-RichiH- [Global Notice] The GNOME foundation has been forced to defend its trademark against Groupon. This goes beyond just GNOME; this is about the FLOSS community showing the corporate world that our trademarks will be defended; not just by specific victims, but by all of us. Our stance can be found at while GNOME's can be found at [14:11]
mircea_popescu that groupon thing is such a scandalous failure. [14:12]
mircea_popescu i mean... it claimed to be worth money. then it turned out the entire thing was fraudulent, through and through. nobody got put away, of course, because this is the us and "tough on crime" maryjane [14:12]
mircea_popescu so on they trudge, unable to deliver any value to anyone, supposedly worth however many bezzelions. [14:13]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell richih listen, your blog is down. there's no point sending broadcasts if your thing can't take the traffic. [14:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:18]
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mircea_popescu meh, guy's probably not in any relevant channel anyway huh. [14:18]
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-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [22:13]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol@ the derp on your blog. "i am ignorant, justify the world to me! because the stupid but lazy have inherited the earth at some point while nobody was paying attention and now that's how it works!!11" [22:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:15]
mircea_popescu fucking alt-realities these people live in. [22:15]
asciilifeform /me fat robot << in america, no other kind of robot! [22:18]
mircea_popescu assbot: gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal << todd has a point [22:23]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: great; probably gonna get my account suspended <<< twitter is not exactly a good venue anyway. why would one wish to maintain a lifeline with the weirdo cult of america ? [22:24]
mircea_popescu let them have their fun on their own and they wonder why they're hungry. [22:24]
mircea_popescu "Thanks for being a class act, Gavin." hahaha srsly ? [22:26]
mircea_popescu team-libtard. "let's thank ourselves for being stupid, it's how they do it on the special olympics too! that's how you win!" [22:26]
thestringpuller Huxely strikes again. [22:29]
mircea_popescu *: ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines <<< wait wut ? why ? [22:29]
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asciilifeform << these people spam 'pastebin' now. [22:34]
assbot #TakeDownRSD - [22:34]
mircea_popescu UPDATE tril_posts SET `wp_content` = REPLACE (`post_content`, '', '') WHERE `post_content` LIKE '' [22:36]
mircea_popescu 315 rows affected. (Query took 1.1584 sec) [22:36]
mircea_popescu should have done it long ago. [22:36]
asciilifeform << yet more? asking for spam? [22:36]
assbot >>> Real Social Dynamics <<< - [22:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i duin get it ? [22:42]
asciilifeform the 'strangler' fellow who was thrown out of australia [22:42]
mircea_popescu "On behalf of myself and my peers, I am lodging a formal complaint regarding your provision of financial services to Real Social Dynamics—specifically Real Social Dynamic's co-owner Julien Blanc (pseudonym)—on the grounds that their employees, business practices and instructional literature promote violence against women, sexual harassment, rape and racism." [22:42]
mircea_popescu bnwahaha [22:42]
mircea_popescu wait, this is how it works ? [22:42]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure the license to provide services of any kind includes the obligation to provide them universally. [22:43]
mircea_popescu so in teh bitcoin future, a financial services firm is not allowed to be down, for anyone and for any reason, or else risks losing its license. [22:43]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: but what about the terrorists! [22:44]
mircea_popescu what about them ? [22:44]
thestringpuller you can't serve the terrorists. it's unpatriotic [22:44]
chetty banks refuse to open accounts all the time ..or close existing ones .. [22:45]
mircea_popescu let the police do its job. [22:45]
thestringpuller what about the case when someone goes down for "due cause" [22:45]
mircea_popescu this "let the word processor be a browser and the browser be a music station and th phone a camera" trend is pure idiocy. [22:45]
thestringpuller i.e. MPEx webserver attack, Trade engine failure, etc. [22:45]
mircea_popescu there's no point in having a bank be the police. let the police be the police, and if they're no good at it let them go home. [22:45]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller then they suck. [22:45]
thestringpuller so in future MPEx will "never be down" [22:46]
mircea_popescu it's never been down for a while. [22:46]
mircea_popescu more on point, imagine if the blockchain "were down" [22:47]
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thestringpuller then bitcoin, would die. [22:47]
mircea_popescu something that happens with regularity to fiat banks, "sorry, we can't process txn, our so-called system is down" [22:47]
asciilifeform i was in restaurant just the other day, fiat 'was down', delayed for no good reason. [22:48]
thestringpuller but there is a possibility (albeit improbably) someone bombs every mining facility on the planet, and the hash rate plummets making block times 10 hours per [22:48]
mircea_popescu there's also a possibility the aliens land and start mining. [22:49]
chetty I vote for the aliens [22:49]
mircea_popescu incidentally, i have a spot of work for a python guru. anyone bored ? [22:49]
mircea_popescu and speaking of that, i need someone to make me (another) site. anyone wanna make a b-a site ? [22:49]
thestringpuller there's already a b-a site [22:50]
thestringpuller isn't that kako's job? [22:50]
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mircea_popescu you might have not noticed this, but! the model is fully decentralised, with delegated subdomains. [22:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla is like the dns cabal. [22:50]
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thestringpuller so it's already done? [22:50]
thestringpuller lol [22:50]
diametric mircea_popescu: what kind of work in python do you need done? [22:50]
mircea_popescu wht is ? [22:51]
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mircea_popescu diametric well, there's a format for computer models called "3d" something. it sort-of almost works in blender, there's an ancient convertor someone made. this : ttps:// [22:51]
mircea_popescu [22:51]
assbot UnoffLandz - Browse /Blender Scripts/Import Export e3d files at [22:51]
mircea_popescu i need this brought up to date, because it ties into blender from 2009 and uses python from 2007 [22:51]
thestringpuller hahahaha [22:52]
diametric so you just need it to run in current blender/python? [22:52]
mircea_popescu yup [22:52]
thestringpuller this is a pretty complex script. [22:53]
diametric i'll give it a cursory glance and let you know [22:53]
mircea_popescu ty. [22:53]
thestringpuller hopefully blender doesn't does do crazy stuff (like MS) between versions like change from lhs to rhs [22:54]
mircea_popescu wouldn't surprise me. [22:54]
thestringpuller who would be using this program? [22:54]
mircea_popescu ... [22:55]
mircea_popescu what are you, oracle ? [22:55]
diametric this is pretty gnarly [22:55]
mircea_popescu myeah. [22:55]
thestringpuller very funny mircea_popescu [22:56]
mircea_popescu For your reference, please see the following video. It depicts one of Mr. Blanc's instructional seminars where he advocates illegal and racist behavior as well as video footage of Mr. Blanc in the act: [22:57]
assbot "Pick-Up Artist" pushing Japanese women's heads down to his crotch 白人が日本で大暴れ「日本ではHしほうだい」(字幕) - YouTube [22:57]
mircea_popescu now this i gotta see, illegal and racist behaviour [22:57]
thestringpuller damn, this while loop is gross. [22:57]
mircea_popescu uhhh... srsly, staged crap ? these people need better concerns. [22:58]
mircea_popescu “When you go to Tokyo….if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She’ll giggle. Just say PIKACHU or POKEMON or something to take the pressure off. I’m romping through the streets (of Tokyo) just grabbing girls and it’s like (motions) head on dick (pfft) head on dick, yelling ‘PIKACHU’ with a Pikachu shirt on….Every foreigner who is white does this. When you see that [22:58]
mircea_popescu one foreigner in the crowd in Tokyo and your eyes will lock and you know that he knows and he knows that and it’s this guilty look like you both fucked a hooker or something.” [22:58]
mircea_popescu honestly this entire "feminist protesting" stuff reads a whole lot like the sort of crap that tucker max "strategist" derp would come up with [22:59]
mircea_popescu da fuck was his name. [22:59]
mircea_popescu Ryan Holiday. [22:59]
asciilifeform kgb disinfo agitprop that took own life of its own. [22:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well... not so much a life. more like a hottopic of its own. [23:00]
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asciilifeform unrelated: [23:01]
assbot Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than [23:01]
mircea_popescu and judging how quickly it comes on the heels of the entire gamergate thing, i;m calling it. [23:01]
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punkman mircea_popescu: what's the new b-a website? [23:02]
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mircea_popescu punkman you seriously want to do ALL fo them !? this is very nice and all but imagine what happens if the aliens come to elect you their leader. all the shit drops off maintenance ? [23:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i actually moved to turbo pascal from qbasic back in very long ago. [23:03]
mircea_popescu it *was* fast. [23:04]
thestringpuller yum qbasic. the first language I ever learned. [23:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to turbo pascal from qbasic << i, also. [23:04]
punkman well if I'm elected alien leader, I'll put a few of them to task [23:04]
mircea_popescu punkman what if you're elected cumrag. [23:04]
punkman problems [23:05]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: mines << gotta eat. [23:05]
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mircea_popescu support wordpress actually pays money ? i'm awed. [23:05]
mircea_popescu ing* [23:05]
ben_vulpes bezzleland. [23:06]
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mircea_popescu well, if nobody speaks up punkman gets it tomorro, so. speak up. [23:08]
thestringpuller i'm interested. but want to know what it is fiiirst [23:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually ironically enough, pascal was supposed to be a shitty program. c++ was supposed ot be the cat's teats. yet the experience i had over a coupla summers with turbopascal is pretty much unmatched. maybe the only time i actually enjoyed coding. [23:09]
mircea_popescu borlandc++ sucked by comparison. maybe because i was too dumb to properly grok the language, or too lazy to learn the spec [23:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cpp was not designed for humans, but for slave galleys. [23:10]
mircea_popescu but holy testlist on a stick mary, who wants it. [23:10]
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punkman notary, status [23:11]
notary punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 15 hours and 8 minutes ago [23:11]
mircea_popescu o splendor of splendors [23:11]
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punkman punkbot, balance [23:11]
notary punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06295 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 572 more bundles. [23:11]
notary punkman: Of course, you wouldn't have any 'extra' tobacco [23:11]
mircea_popescu lol wait wut [23:11]
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punkman poor thing got confused [23:12]
mircea_popescu $proxies [23:12]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [23:12]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes anyway, you ever sorted out the whatever it was ? mah wp expert happens to be sitting across from me. [23:13]
ben_vulpes what is the part of wordpress that determines what things are prepended to the slug? [23:14]
empyex mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: (119 milliseconds), (152 milliseconds), (242 milliseconds), (10266 milliseconds), (error) [23:14]
empyex mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [23:14]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes apparently there's an interface in the admin to set it [23:16]
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mircea_popescu settings > permalinks [23:16]
mircea_popescu and apparently you shouldn't get into those guts anyway, just pick custom structure and form a string [23:17]
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ben_vulpes here's the wacky thing - it's the same on both the old site and the migrated copy. [23:24]
ben_vulpes just using "Post name" option. [23:24]
mircea_popescu jurov : see above ? [23:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes and so it doesn't use just the name ? [23:26]
ben_vulpes it's got this http://domain/foo/slug [23:27]
ben_vulpes the old one was http://domain/foo/bar/slug [23:27]
mircea_popescu so add bar ? [23:28]
ben_vulpes no slashes in slugs [23:28]
mircea_popescu huh ? [23:28]
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ben_vulpes old site has /foo/bar as uneditable zone in permalink area on page [23:29]
ben_vulpes new site only has /foo/ [23:29]
ben_vulpes i have no idea where /foo/ is even configured [23:30]
mircea_popescu what [23:30]
mircea_popescu 's /foo/%postname%/ do ? [23:30]
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asciilifeform << quality lulz from mr. o. [23:33]
assbot ClubOrlov: Twilight of the Oligarchs [23:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, there's a $prefix defined in wp-admin/options-permalink.php but "you really should not fuck with that" [23:35]
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ben_vulpes i can't imagine that was set at any time. [23:35]
ben_vulpes something (perhaps js?) strips the '/', '%' [23:35]
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mircea_popescu $wp_rewrite->set_permalink_structure($permalink_structure); is the call you care about [23:38]
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undata asciilifeform: It is likely a failure of my imagination that I cannot guess what sort of violence-entrepreneurs might emerge in the US. [23:41]
undata maybe gangs [23:41]
mircea_popescu they already have emerged. [23:41]
mircea_popescu go buy some dope and some cunt, [23:41]
mircea_popescu same people wil be selling water and batteries soonish [23:41]
undata mircea_popescu: so gangs? [23:41]
undata I could see that. [23:41]
mircea_popescu no, not gangs. gangs are roughly what the police is. hardly entrepreneurial/ [23:42]
asciilifeform undata: in many (most?) places in usa, they won't be readily distinguishable from existing policemen. [23:42]
undata asciilifeform: there we go; I was going to suggest "state govts" [23:42]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, they will. VERY distinguishable. recall the previous fall : who dared go around in a militsya uniform ? [23:42]
undata many in Texas (not on the fringe) are secessionist [23:42]
asciilifeform uniform << in that sense, yes [23:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, unlike stockpiling X Y or Z magical golden pill produced on antiquated thinking, going out and making friends with a drug dealer TODAY is both actionable and useful. [23:43]
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mircea_popescu having those friends will pay in 2020. having a basement full of whatever might get you killed. [23:43]
undata mircea_popescu: haha, that's a wonderful PSA [23:43]
undata "Make friends with a drug dealer TODAY!" [23:43]
mircea_popescu and i dont mean no dime peddling doofus either. [23:44]
undata no no, someone with his own enterprise [23:44]
mircea_popescu buy a pound of cocaine, uncut, on the premise that it muyst be exactly one pound and exactly uncut. [23:44]
undata they've already shown they can operate with independence [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: works best if one can find a matching ethnomafia to go in. [23:44]
mircea_popescu then flush it down the drain for all it matters, you just want to meet the people involved. [23:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform americans aren't a nation. no such for them. [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no flags involved. pure ethno-colourcode, dialect, mannerisms sort of thing. [23:46]
mircea_popescu that's what the flag is. [23:46]
mircea_popescu what did you think the flag was [23:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at least where i live [23:46]
asciilifeform << best spam. [23:47]
assbot The Obamacare Gestapo 012 - [23:47]
mircea_popescu did you just download and are now rummaging ? [23:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a small experiment, yes [23:48]
undata mircea_popescu: here in Oregon there are plenty of farming operations that I wouldn't be surprised if later they take on a more political nature [23:48]
undata heavily armed, unfortunately christian, but otherwise seemingly fault tolerant [23:48]
mircea_popescu undata you act as if this political thing is a reserve ability all men have. [23:48]
mircea_popescu if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW. since they aren't now, they won't later. [23:48]
undata mircea_popescu: the one I'm thinking of is better termed a distributor [23:49]
mircea_popescu well if the one you're thinking of is, then the one you;re thinking of might be, yes. [23:49]
undata but then again they could be the basement full of goods [23:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW << tricky bit here. 'involved now' almost always means 'share the fate of the new york death ray plot' or 'citadel corp.' or a thousand other stoolie-run shams. [23:49]
undata I am unaware of their total capacity to defend themselves [23:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'd say i'm the poster child for orlov's "violent entrepreneurs". it's not that i make an enterprise of violence, is that i clearly and pointedly reserve the right to use violence without limit. [23:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not so. [23:51]
mircea_popescu take ben_vulpes, he's involved now. [23:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat. [23:51]
mircea_popescu he's not particularly powerful, at least not in any way the pete's derpy commenter would recognise. but that's an unrelated matter. [23:51]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how so? you have mercenaries now? [23:51]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i always did, but that is besides the point anyway. [23:52]
thestringpuller ^- if greatest soldier alive is in your private army, you are automatically most powerful so very relevant? [23:52]
mircea_popescu i have servers, too, and as the ddos rises so do the servers. simple equation there. [23:52]
mircea_popescu in a sense, "entrepreneurs of violence" is just a particular facet of sovereignity. orlov was in a room with a sovereign elephant and what he came out with was the trunk. [23:53]
mircea_popescu " And as the unraveling progresses, the violent entrepreneurs develop agendas of their own, which, inevitably, involve having the cooperation flow the other way: instead of cooperating with those formerly in charge, they demand that those formerly in charge start cooperating with them. And it is here that the scene turns bloody." [23:54]
mircea_popescu "the sec wants to matter, the sec better get in the wot". hasn't turned bloody yet. [23:54]
undata mircea_popescu: ah I understand; I took it as "violence start-ups" [23:55]
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mircea_popescu i dunno what he meant by it, but what he actually said does allow an interpretation that actually works, so. benefit of the doubt. [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mr o is fixated on the 'elephant's trunk' because that was the organ he saw in action personally while visiting ru in '90s [23:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform understandable. [23:56]
mircea_popescu undata violence is not merely physical violence. tim swanson got bludgeoned into the dirt, what is that if not violence ? [23:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in his words, approx., 'violent entrepreneurs are special and distinct in that they will work whether or not you pay them, whether they're paid simply determines whether they work with you or on you' [23:56]
mircea_popescu ^ [23:56]
mircea_popescu exactly. [23:56]
mircea_popescu see ? sovereignty. [23:57]
mircea_popescu "the country works whether it's your ally or your enemy, as what it does" [23:57]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat. << does this need elucidation still ? [23:58]
mircea_popescu " There tends to be a clean break with the old, collapsing society, which is motivated by money and prestige within society at large, because these entrepreneurial groups are motivated by honor and prestige within the in-group only." << what is the wot if not exactl;y that ? [23:59]
mircea_popescu guy pretty much has it, in the working parts. [23:59]
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