Forum logs for 12 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	(this is useful for the fractional reserve business not exactly because it improves cash flow, which it does not, but much moire because it allwos it to "see into the future", as it were, ie to know ahead of time what financial resources it will need down the road)	[00:00]
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dexX7	they don't have one and were audited	[00:10]
dexX7	but nevertheless i think they were attacked, the number of reports of spam to bitstamp users is very, very high	[00:10]
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jurov	http://www.ehackingnews.com/2014/03/bitstamp-hacked-users-are-receiving.html says they admitted it to eleuthria	[00:11]
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Bunnyh	from what i can tell it looks like bitstamp isn't using any spf rules on their domain, wouldn't that block many phishing attempts?	[00:16]
mike_c	spf + domainkeys help.	[00:16]
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kakobrekla	www.coindesk.com/new-york-accepting-applications-digital-currency-exchanges/	[00:19]
kakobrekla	here we go :D	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00086401 = 12.7873 BTC [-] {2}	[00:20]
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dub	to da moon like doge?	[00:21]
kakobrekla	like aurora	[00:21]
nubbins`	i hope ninjashogun comes back later and pesters us into giving him money	[00:22]
kakobrekla	in april we should do an astronaut dresscode or something	[00:22]
nubbins`	heh	[00:22]
nubbins`	finally, an excuse to wear my spacesuit	[00:22]
FabianB	;;bc,stat	[00:24]
gribble	Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.	[00:24]
FabianB	[As	[00:24]
FabianB	;;bc,stats	[00:25]
gribble	Current Blocks: 290098 \| Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 \| Next Difficulty In: 205 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 16 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 4206454280.77 \| Estimated Percent Change: 10.24001	[00:25]
FabianB	;;calc 3.81572379881463E9/10000.0	[00:25]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[00:25]
FabianB	;;calc 4206454280.77/10000.0	[00:26]
gribble	420645.428077	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 audited ? what are you talking about ?	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you're late :D	[00:26]
dexX7	sec	[00:27]
dexX7	www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/	[00:27]
dexX7	inb4 ".co domain, not legit"	[00:27]
FabianB	!t m X.IDIFF.MAR	[00:27]
assbot	[MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC)	[00:27]
kakobrekla	>>Kodrič also projected this process would “raise the bar” for other exchanges to follow suit.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	so coindesk links a pdf published on bitstamp;'s website	[00:28]
kakobrekla	careful there, one day he wont be able to reach it. the bar i mean	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	i think perhaps you're unfamiliar with what an audit is ?	[00:28]
dexX7	well, it would certainly be nice, if it were firestartr.co who hosted the file and even more, if it were gpg signed, that of course	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	and ideally, if it WEREN'T firestarter.co	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0039 = 0.1014 BTC [+]	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	but some actual auditor with an actual track record of auditing.	[00:29]
kakobrekla	fuck i just found out that bitcoin does indeed pay interests	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	random website with a domains by proxy registration and a prepackaged css suite slapped in fails to impress.	[00:30]
kakobrekla	you just need to have a large enough wallet and spammer idiots will sends satoshis to your balance along with a blockchain info note	[00:30]
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dub	no virgins for you	[00:30]
kakobrekla	infinite money	[00:30]
dub	derka derka	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	Registered On May 15, 2013 wait even better	[00:30]
dexX7	Firestartr's team has been behind €6.7Bn in transactions over the last 20 years; a dozen trade sales and IPOs and started eight companies from scratch covering brands like Skype, Orchestream and Geneva. Our current community of ventures includes names like Rightster, Teleportd, Badoo, Pusher, Fanatix and UC4 Software.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	who ?	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	"team". whio ? they have a website which consists of... "we"	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	badoo ?!	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck parallel reality is this.	[00:32]
dexX7	huh?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	Badoo is a dating-focused social networking service, founded in 2006, which uses deceptive tactics to attract new users	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	a history of fraudulent behaviour, and random cardboard web ventures	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	just want you want out of an "auditor"	[00:32]
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mircea_popescu	and if they list badoo, which is owned and operated by the russian... shall we not call it online fraud division, but merely refer to it as "Андрей Оганджанянц".	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	i would like to know why other stuff like spylog or begun aren't listed there	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, mamba.ru	[00:34]
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dexX7	so what are you saying? do you doubt that the result of the "audit" is legit and bitstamp is running a fractional reserve?	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	i am saying that either the firestartr thing is an outright fraud,	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	or else it's a deceptive front for a well known group of grayhats	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	to put it mildly.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that aside, i appreciate the humour of jess powell signing statements,	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	seeing how kraken managed to fuck up deposit addresses creating a mess worth 100s of btc, that they lied about.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	someone should tell cary it's a bad idea to CONTINUE signing in the company of such doofusry.	[00:37]
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nubbins`	kakobrekla: enjoy sochi!	[00:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.0061 = 1.0492 BTC [+]	[00:42]
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mircea_popescu	dexX7 did all that coalesce into a point for you ?	[00:43]
dexX7	sure	[00:44]
dexX7	+	[00:44]
dexX7	inb4 ".co domain, not legit"	[00:44]
dexX7	:D	[00:44]
nubbins`	bit of a long shot, but do any of you guys have casascius coins?	[00:44]
dexX7	no :(	[00:44]
nubbins`	i'm trying to track down a brass 2011 series-2	[00:44]
Duffer1	i ish	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 ok, let's go through it slower.	[00:44]
nubbins`	so fuckin hard to find	[00:44]
dexX7	no	[00:44]
moiety	ok. i woke up. i have no idea wtf ive been thinking for the past ....months. new leaf	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	so, bitstamp is this bitcoin exchange. people have been havng their doubts about it for a while. bitstamp came up with this theory whereby it's been audited.	[00:45]
nubbins`	people are all hung up on 2011 "error coins" (series-1), oblivious to the fact that the series-2 2011s are so much more rare	[00:45]
dexX7	i agree and i expected something such a reaction. you don't need to convince me or something	[00:45]
dexX7	-something	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	i'd like to lay the thing out so it can be followed.	[00:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0059034 = 0.6199 BTC [-] {7}	[00:45]
dexX7	well then, why not :)	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Is that ninjashogun restaurant guy still asking for money because some mystery man in #dogecoin left him hanging on hit 1337 hardware project	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	so, this purported audit is in very poor form, for a myriad of reasons, such as for instance it being published by the audited entity rather than by the auditor.	[00:46]
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mircea_popescu	more importantly, the purported auditor does not substantially exist. it consists of a recently registered, domain-by-proxy website, upon which some random copy has been plastered.	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]	[00:46]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: yeah, you tell him that there's no way in hell and that he's wasting his time, and he tries to argue that it's worth his time and it's totally a possibility	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	this copy fails the form test, and more importantly makes some claims, which would seem to be false.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	specifically, their claim as to be behind badoo is immediately suspect, seeing how a) badoo is not particularly a respectable venture and b) it is run by a certain group of russian folk, well known to be disreputable.	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00086353 = 4.3608 BTC [-]	[00:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.01940161 = 0.3686 BTC [-] {3}	[00:48]
moiety	BingoBoingo: did he interview everyone via pm, like me?	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	also important, that same group of russian folk run a number of other ventures, which are inexplicably absent from the firestartr claims,	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	Well, when ButtStamp dies this fall, I reckon people outside the WoT will largely be outside of BTC forever.	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Indeed he did it seems	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	whereas skype, claimed by firestartr, is obviously not theirs to claim.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	these facts allow two constructions : either firestartr is simply lying, and has no relation to badoo any more than it has to skype	[00:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0059 = 0.2242 BTC [-] {3}	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	basically some kid just put random names on a website	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/marlins-dad-abandons-son-for-ground-rule-double-1541200832	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	or else, it is in fact related, and for whatever reason the respective disreputable russian group does not wish to admit to it. so it's more like a front.	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	these considerations sink the entire thing, either way. either way they've lied, which means they can't audit.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	make sense now ?	[00:50]
dexX7	yes	[00:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.601 = 1.202 BTC [-]	[00:51]
nubbins`	bingo, lel	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	Well, bitcoin. It's hard to tell Buttstamp knew what an audit was, other than having had one seemed like a good thing.	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	Then they forget audit is a term of art	[00:51]
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mircea_popescu	good, cause on re-read the first verion seemed to me to be making little sense if at all.	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	And were in no way capable of having an actual audit	[00:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09319999 = 0.2796 BTC [-]	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well for what it's worth they seem to more or less have moved a bunch of coins in november	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	tho i don't seem to find any proper proof, like signatures.	[00:53]
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mircea_popescu	if anyone wants to help dig that can't hurt.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/cpQEV86 holy shit, that's the end of it	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	ponzi advertising ?	[00:56]
moiety	THATS ^ what i said other day!!!	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	so hows your new leaf ?	[00:56]
moiety	i'm not sure how to start it i just want it. does that make any sense?	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ponzis buying ads on the forum openly is no new news.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	news to me, sorry	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	moiety sure.	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	There was a thread in Meta, I'll dig it up	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	"Marc Andreessen favorited your Tweets 11h: Reply to @pmarca If your intel dept didn't stink, you'd know all about BitBet. http://bitbet.us/ "	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	somebody's getting screamed at today	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=472000.0	[00:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01769606 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {7}	[00:58]
moiety	hey i didn't know there was a thread! didn't they take enough crap regarding BFL ads?!?!	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	Maybe Marc Andressen needs an Intel department?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	they have one	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe they need intel people for their intel department?	[00:58]
dexX7	yesterday's reddit frontpage: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zzzq0/ponzicoin_operator_steals_money_investors_get/	[00:59]
dexX7	and a day later: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2023pn/ponzicoin_depositors_get_payed_back_wasnt_a_scam/	[00:59]
dexX7	'nuff said :D	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo intel is hard.	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is indeed	[00:59]
moiety	also BingoBoingo re first comment in ponzi ad thread... theymos doesn't actually have legal responsibility in reality does he?	[00:59]
moiety	sounds like gum bumping to me	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	moiety it roughly depends where he lives.	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Well the pirate case might touch on Thermos's responsibility as he said sure Pirate, you can start a thread, allegedly	[01:00]
benkay	moiety gum bumping?	[01:00]
dexX7	why the fuck should this be "illegal"?	[01:00]
dexX7	@ ads	[01:00]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: It's when you take a bit of coke an touch it to your gums to see if it is coke or not	[01:00]
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B007	mircea_popescu: your paywall on your blog is lel. and easy to get past	[01:01]
dexX7	if "investors" want to play ponzi games, why not?	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 it's generally illegal to advertise illegal activities in many jurisdictions	[01:01]
dexX7	not like anyone made any effort to hide what's the website is about	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	which is why you don't see ads for hookers in your favbourite magazine	[01:01]
moiety	benkay: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumping%20his%20gums	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	B007 the point isn't really to make it impossible to get past.	[01:02]
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nubbins`	^	[01:02]
B007	ip based so no effort required	[01:02]
nubbins`	the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p	[01:03]
B007	new ssh tunnel takes me like 10 secs	[01:03]
nubbins`	congrats, where did i leave my gold stars...	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	10 secs are, for most people in the civilised world, worth more than the respective satoshis.	[01:03]
B007	it'd take far more time to accually pay	[01:04]
B007	for me anyway	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	you pay for your ips don't you ?	[01:04]
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B007	nope	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	well then you're not in target anyway.	[01:04]
nubbins`	free ips	[01:04]
B007	well one of them yes	[01:04]
B007	and then there is tor	[01:04]
nubbins`	i used to be with this ISP and if you connected a switch to your dsl modem, they'd give a public ip to every connected machine	[01:04]
nubbins`	for free	[01:05]
nubbins`	minor oversight ;p	[01:05]
B007	nice	[01:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 38 @ 0.00307552 = 0.1169 BTC [-] {2}	[01:06]
nubbins`	was nice at the time	[01:06]
B007	what ISP?	[01:06]
nubbins`	couldn't give any less fucks these days	[01:06]
nubbins`	a local subsidiary of bell that you've never heard of	[01:06]
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nubbins`	this was back before wireless routers were a common thing	[01:08]
dexX7	nubbins`> the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p < flip the statement: it's more comfortable to buy than to leech. kinda nice approach btw.	[01:10]
nubbins`	nod	[01:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1830 @ 0.00017111 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {9}	[01:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00086341 = 13.9009 BTC [-] {2}	[01:12]
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B007	why is it more comfortable to buy than to leech?	[01:16]
MAKABEakira	would have ff a lot of wtf if i found trilema 6 months ago instead of last month. btc infospace is a formidable fog of war for newbs	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira this is true.	[01:17]
Duffer1	welcome to the club makabe	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	kinda why i encourage people to blog and so forth, make good info a little more accessible.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	i mean some people are just deliberately being stupid, but in many more cases people just don't have the info, at all.	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	So... Apparently 'Merica is annexing luxembourg? http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2014/03/united_steaks_of_america_map_if_each_state_could_have_only_one_meat_what.html	[01:18]
MAKABEakira	no lack of content, but quality content has evolved some rather effective parasitic mimics	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	aptly put.	[01:19]
moiety	mircea_popescu: how to prove a publisher knew something was illegal when they advertised it though?	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira what do you do irl ?	[01:19]
MAKABEakira	TV	[01:19]
MAKABEakira	mostly watching, sometimes producing	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	moiety "should have known", "reasonable person standard", "duty of care" etc etc. the jurisprudence is taller than you,	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	o wait, you ever read my variety speak article ?	[01:20]
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MAKABEakira	are you, you irl?	[01:20]
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dexX7	B007: well i once paid a tiny amount and can enjoy trilema probably for lifetime. that's comfort vs. "need to reset my ip now and then"	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean am i me me	[01:21]
MAKABEakira	i assume so, but. mimcs cc.	[01:21]
*	moiety nods - fe	[01:21]
MAKABEakira	is your name actually mircea p	[01:21]
B007	yes	[01:21]
MAKABEakira	i assume so but not sure if you have 'fans'	[01:21]
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BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: He's not the Mircea Popescu that does pottery if that is your question	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira a yes, it is.	[01:22]
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MAKABEakira	ah ok.. brb, rl intrudes irl	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	it is a reasonably common name, so there's a dozen or so other people by the same name	[01:22]
MAKABEakira	and no, haven't had the plesh	[01:22]
moiety	aw fuck so no chance of vases in here... bye!	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/m/mpopescu/artist_exhibitions.html	[01:23]
ozbot	Mircea Popescu Exhibition History - Artist Website	[01:23]
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BingoBoingo	So... Looks like Obama's suit budget might go bust http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/11/men_s_wearhouse_to_acquire_jos_a_bank_for_1_8_billion.html	[01:24]
moiety	why on earth is that artists exhibitions list not in chronological order? site almost gave me ocd	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	by the way, for whoever was wtfing about all the nude shots :	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	http://www.phototours-ukraine.com/	[01:26]
ozbot	Phototours-Ukraine - Ukrainian models and photography workshops	[01:26]
moiety	oh ignore ^ its hideously labelled instead	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	there's actually people who make it their business to organise a "photographic vacation"	[01:26]
moiety	they have a whole nude in public section! love it!	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 490 @ 0.00378959 = 1.8569 BTC [-] {4}	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61 = 1.83 BTC [+]	[01:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086308 = 2.3735 BTC [-] {2}	[01:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00086275 = 17.0825 BTC [-]	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16770 @ 0.0001519 = 2.5474 BTC [-] {13}	[01:35]
Duffer1	Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 9h	[01:36]
Duffer1	When it comes to markets and finance America is the 'short bus' that is slowing down global growth.	[01:36]
Duffer1	how long's it been since he's mentioned his coin...	[01:36]
Mats_cd03	http://www.qoinpro.com lol	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 he's forgotten all about it.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	(both of em)	[01:37]
Duffer1	i doubt the suckers he scammed have forgotten	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	guy's target are people with short attention spans and limited memory space.	[01:37]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/443532114802118656	[01:41]
ozbot	Twitter / BBoingo: @ArsLaw @cfarivar And bitcoin ...	[01:41]
MAKABEakira	human memory is lossy compression	[01:41]
MAKABEakira	more limited you got, more loss you get	[01:41]
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BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: How lossy depends on the person	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	ther'es a space between lossy and lousy.	[01:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.0039 = 0.2964 BTC [+]	[01:48]
MAKABEakira	is barry seibert really going ahead with this. last i heard it was a string of "we hope our partners" this and "if regulation" that, but so far, tumbleweeds	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	Who is Barry?	[01:51]
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MAKABEakira	fred i mean	[01:51]
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MAKABEakira	nm i shdnt type while on phone. Barry Silbert - SecondMarket	[01:52]
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BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: Well going ahead with what?	[01:54]
MAKABEakira	yet SM's exchange launch is taken as a foregone conclusion.	[01:54]
MAKABEakira	apologies i was under impression this was watercooler talk everywhere. don't shoot	[01:55]
Duffer1	you mean are they going ahead with SMs bitcoin exchange?	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: It is a talk of some kind. Just... when you name nobodies like Barrys and Larrys, you have to mention what they are trying to do.	[01:56]
MAKABEakira	Duffer1 yes. silbert put an embargo on all employee trading actvity after Count Goxula started his final bender. has not resumed since afaik	[01:57]
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Duffer1	if they had traders on gox then i doubt they're fit to run an exchange of their own	[01:58]
Duffer1	nobody paying attention for more than a month would have known to not have $$ there	[01:58]
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MAKABEakira	i am sure there were some. i think it's more of PR 'not it' move	[01:59]
BingoBoingo	SecondMarket would have been well advised to avoid Gox and consider http://mpex.co/faq.html#28	[02:00]
MAKABEakira	BingoBoingo, agreed :D but i think they are interested in making their own dogfood	[02:00]
Duffer1	i expect they'll still try to do an exchange, i have doubts about longevity of the venture though	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: What I mean is if you want to run something as a "Trust" for patrons, you do indeed need to dogfood it instead of depositing with Gox.	[02:01]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: Speaking of encouraging people to blog more , my latest, mostly a rehashing of asciilifeform on digital security: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/digital-delusions-of-digital-security/	[02:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00086258 = 12.5074 BTC [-] {3}	[02:05]
dexX7	the plans of the sm exchange go back to at least november. a "ny based exchange" was mentioned several times during the senate hearings and i guess that's no coincidence. also a bitlicense was promoted via the press at that time.	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira well ther'es the bitbet bet...	[02:07]
MAKABEakira	dexX7, good catch. i love the way they float the ideas until they coalesce into precipitate. makes the fanclub think that these things 'just appear' somehow	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo guy is reasonably well known. at least by btc standards at any rate.	[02:08]
mod6	cool summary, bitcoinpete	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	what i don't love is how many people need to be hurt into comprehending that they're better off following than trying to lead.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	it's fucking arakis over here.	[02:09]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: thank you :)	[02:10]
bitcoinpete	mod6: cheers	[02:10]
BingoBoingo	Well since the gox collapse last names with the Si* pattern of spelling are hard to track without pulling the redbook out of its safe place	[02:10]
Duffer1	dune reference high five?	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[02:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2394 @ 0.00052297 = 1.252 BTC [-] {14}	[02:20]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, i am not up to speed on bitbet. are they buy\|sell\|trold?	[02:21]
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mircea_popescu	they're kickass.	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	Bitbet is the best bet	[02:22]
grubles	mp runs / owns bitbet, correct?	[02:22]
MAKABEakira	hmm on there now. grep deadpool section	[02:22]
joecool	mircea_popescu: i never can tell if you're serious or trolling most of the time, imma roll with it though	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	grubles just half.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	joecool i rarely troll.	[02:23]
joecool	how do i know you're not trolling right now?	[02:23]
grubles	who owns the other half, if I might ask?	[02:24]
joecool	oh well, i respect the mystery	[02:24]
joecool	bbl tacos	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	grubles kakobrekla	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	it's in the contract you know, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET	[02:24]
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grubles	didnt know ^_^	[02:25]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, is hreniuc a common surname in RO	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	nope	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	it's not even ro, sounds armenian	[02:26]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, fascinating.	[02:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00086245 = 18.0252 BTC [-] {2}	[02:27]
MAKABEakira	according to all my armenian friends (and in LA, you cannot not have them) they are all the direct issue of the big G himself.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	gingis khan ?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway, since we're discussing bitbet, i dunno if this was ever published, but	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/address/1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN	[02:28]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	that's the address paying the house bets, refunds, referrals.	[02:29]
MAKABEakira	yes none of that blue horde discount mongol crap.	[02:29]
dexX7	quick, get a blockchain.info tag	[02:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100103 BTC [-]	[02:30]
MAKABEakira	top bet 10k BTC. whats that, only $30/day rise every day till then, to win it.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	no.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	more like 3k a day for a week straight.	[02:31]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu does the bet stand even w/out gox in the pix	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	yea see the mod comment	[02:33]
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dexX7	snackman still posts comments on bb? :D	[02:36]
dexX7	ah no, it was an old one	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	nah i imagine he meanwhile got bored	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	"forever" at 19 means about three months	[02:37]
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MAKABEakira	a sub 20 min bet time limit would be useful	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	no it wouldn't.	[02:44]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, TV	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	how the hell do you imagine an admin would get to it.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, since we have been doing some auditing on bitbet : the total BTC held in currently published addresses is 1778.18326295.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	the total actual exposure bitbet has to bets (ie, stuff people bet that hasn't been yet resolved) is 414.9x	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: What sort of TV projects do you have experience working on if you care to answer?	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	this means that if you bet 1350 btc or less you are guaranteedly going to be paid out (should you win) with btc that are already held from old bets.	[02:45]
MAKABEakira	i am working with a team that produces a nationally syndicated game show on US TV	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	Nice	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira so why can't these be week bets like in sane land ?	[02:46]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, live TV project needs live TV timeframes	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	You can answer this next question or decline it as you wish, but Jeopardy?	[02:46]
MAKABEakira	BingoBoingo, no sir. not that famous. but a hint. this show knocked wheel of fortune out of several markets	[02:47]
MAKABEakira	despite being a very different kind of show	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira can you guarantee minimums ?	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: Well, honesly this got less interesting when you said game show. Honestly I was hoping you'd say drama, like The Blacklist, Almost Human, Archer, Chozen, or Hannibal	[02:48]
MAKABEakira	BingoBoingo, not much you can do in drama with audience interaction, which is what we specilize in. standup project in works though.	[02:49]
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MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, we wont do it if we cannot. i didn't even consider this idea till you brought up bitbet, but i like the prospects.	[02:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0008648 = 33.1651 BTC [+] {3}	[02:49]
MAKABEakira	just blue skying atm	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	well, consider the business caseas first and foremost. bitbet takes 1%	[02:50]
mod6	lol @ Krieger using "crypto currencies" in a recent episode.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	out of that 1% i'll have to justify someone sitting with eyes glued to your thing	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	it can be done, if you have the volume to justify it. otherwise, just so it exists generally, it's not gonna happen	[02:50]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, we have a prod team who can has assigned a staff for that if it is externalizable	[02:51]
MAKABEakira	who can haz a cheeseburger	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: Well, the thing is... Audience interaction may be good for business but it is shit for art, even barely art art	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Kenny Loggins was the greater part of that though.	[02:52]
MAKABEakira	BingoBoingo, not even pretending we are making art. can't all be freewheeling bitcoin barons alas	[02:52]
mod6	BingoBoingo: haha	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: Why a Baron. Maybe I'm a duke. Maybe I am far less. Perhaps just a footman, or even a much lesser hallboy.	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	mod6: I'm actually starting to like it's followup Chozen. Reminds me of Bitcointalk last summer.	[02:53]
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Duffer1	blood everywhere?	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	Duffer1: So much blood	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira in principle it is externalisable, but in practice it's a problematic point, because if you scam the users on my trademark i'll have to kill you.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	^ !	[02:54]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, we are pretty visible, kinda hard to run from the romanian a-team if we burn y'all	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: See http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	reasonably open to this in principle then.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	do yourself a favour get in the wot today.	[02:55]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, i'll update you after i due dilly on this plan a bit.	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: who says he even hires Romanian. Trilema shows he tries to avoid it as much as possible	[02:55]
dexX7	MAKABEakira: what length has an episode of your show?	[02:55]
dexX7	because you may need to keep in mind that there are confirmation times	[02:55]
MAKABEakira	22 min typically. sometimes we go over. and by sometimes i mean every time	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[02:56]
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gribble	Time since last block: 19 minutes and 21 seconds	[02:56]
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mircea_popescu	that kinda killed your idea right there	[02:56]
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Duffer1	ltc?	[02:56]
Duffer1	:P	[02:57]
dexX7	:D	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	even with ltc.	[02:57]
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dexX7	i heard dogecoin has a time between blocks of 1 min	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	LTC has 20 minute blocks too occasionally	[02:57]
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BingoBoingo	dexX7: Dogecoin also has an arse full of dicks	[02:57]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, wp. i didn't consider that at all	[02:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07499922 = 0.375 BTC [+]	[02:58]
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dexX7	introduce some kind of "bitbet balance/wallet" which you can fund before a show to skip confirmation times	[02:58]
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mircea_popescu	it could be done.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	but then users would have to "log in" which... gpg ?	[02:58]
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mike_c	cardanos for signing in :)	[02:59]
MAKABEakira	also, disclosure, this would not be for network tv, this is a smaller Bitcoin-land specific project which will be bcast on web only. its a warmup proj to test workable ideas for a later network show	[02:59]
mod6	BingoBoingo: I havent seen Chozen yet, its funny though huh?	[02:59]
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mod6	haha, must be if it reminds you of btctawk.	[02:59]
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MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, show staff wd log in on behalf of users most likely	[03:00]
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BingoBoingo	mod6: It's definitely worth catching at least the pilot on the shady streaming site of your choice	[03:00]
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Duffer1	never seen it either	[03:00]
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mod6	BingoBoingo: ok, will check it out then. thx.	[03:00]
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mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira a better idea would perhaps be to re-structure the program so as to work better with bitcoin's weaknesses.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	more productive, too, in that it builds you a moat.	[03:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Less Bitcoin's weaknesses then its necessary inefficiencies	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	but be that as it may : get in the wot.	[03:01]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unrelated. little bug in your site. '<<' ends up slicing off any text behind it.	[03:03]
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MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, k. good adv.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you mean in a comment ?	[03:03]
asciilifeform	right	[03:03]
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mircea_popescu	myeah. cleanning up html for mysql has its limits	[03:04]
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mircea_popescu	you can however use proper syntax ims	[03:04]
asciilifeform	ah yes.	[03:04]
MAKABEakira	reading WOT> got beefs with gox ppl eh. ne0 lol	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[03:05]
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MAKABEakira	he -10'd you, if i am reading it right. he banned me from mtgox for having the temerity to suggest he might be helping a crime happen	[03:06]
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mircea_popescu	who, this ?	[03:07]
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MAKABEakira	ne0futur, gox remote support IRC	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	o that guy.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	yeah, scammers tend tro have issues with me	[03:08]
dexX7	;;buy 800 btc	[03:08]
gribble	(buy [--long] [at\|@] []) -- Logs a buy order for units of , at a price of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox\|bitstamp)(ask\|bid\|last\|high\|low\|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)	[03:08]
dexX7	how does that work??	[03:08]
dexX7	i want to see where we'd end	[03:08]
kakobrekla	;;market	[03:09]
gribble	Error: "market" is not a valid command.	[03:09]
kakobrekla	whatever	[03:09]
dexX7	;;market buy 800	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	;;asks 800	[03:09]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to buy 800 bitcoins right now would take 525811.5155 USD and would take the last price up to 660.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 657.2644 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds	[03:09]
gribble	Bitstamp \| There are currently 11017.05 bitcoins offered at or under 800.0 USD, worth 7802457.34039 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.3021 seconds	[03:09]
BingoBoingo	;;asks 20000	[03:09]
gribble	Bitstamp \| There are currently 17296.977 bitcoins offered at or under 20000.0 USD, worth 15399449.7301 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 1.6530 seconds	[03:09]
kakobrekla	gibbs says 'buy' is not an argument	[03:09]
kakobrekla	fuckya.	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	noobs	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[03:10]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 648.71, vol: 11355.86477422 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 636.0, vol: 6002.30423 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 648.0, vol: 3599.85123064 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 654.5, vol: 61.92114619 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 625.536, vol: 3119.48700000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 20.94497584 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 638.8999, vol: 47.68698216 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[03:10]
kakobrekla	;;ticker --buy everything FUKKEN nao i SAID for btc gimmeh price plox	[03:11]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)	[03:11]
moiety	lol	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14318 @ 0.0008625 = 12.3493 BTC [-]	[03:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006 = 0.3 BTC [-]	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.006 = 0.18 BTC [-]	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so you live there, do you ?	[03:22]
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mircea_popescu	is my peeconomy actually happerning ?	[03:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04 = 0.64 BTC [+]	[03:22]
asciilifeform	near, about 6km	[03:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0931998 = 0.2796 BTC [-]	[03:23]
asciilifeform	it may or may not be happening. only the 'national seekoority' bureaucrats are theoretically subject to pisstesting.	[03:23]
asciilifeform	my understanding is that it is done as a 'random' inspection	[03:23]
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asciilifeform	on rare occasions.	[03:23]
asciilifeform	and is only really an issue for marijuana aficionados	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	Shit, It would be less than a 12 Km drive to asciilifeform if I wrote off the necessary distance that happens on US 40	[03:24]
asciilifeform	(other traditional drugs have very short half-lives)	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	http://www.questdiagnostics.com/home/companies/employer/drug-screening/products-services/urine-test/urine-test-with-quest	[03:24]
ozbot	Drug Screening for Employers \| Quest Diagnostics : Urine Test with Quest Diagnostics	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	i dunno man. seems it's big biz.	[03:24]
asciilifeform	bus/train drivers.	[03:24]
asciilifeform	some 'prole' work (restaurants, etc.) that were conned into paying for it	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	and cab drivers, and pizza delivery boyz	[03:25]
asciilifeform	correct.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	and apparently oodlebunches of people.	[03:25]
asciilifeform	bureaucrats account for a small fraction, as i understand.	[03:25]
asciilifeform	(of the piss)	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	do or used to ?	[03:25]
asciilifeform	do, presently.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	aha	[03:26]
asciilifeform	it isn't unheard of - a shop not far from where i live actually sells... false piss.	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0038998 = 0.39 BTC [+]	[03:26]
asciilifeform	and a contrivance for transporting and releasing it.	[03:26]
benkay	most american desk jockies as well, especially if your desk is attached to a manufacturing operation.	[03:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83500 @ 0.00086234 = 72.0054 BTC [-] {3}	[03:27]
benkay	gotta keep risk down on insuring those line operators, and can't sow dissent in the ranks by testing the operators and not the engineers.	[03:27]
benkay	net result: test everyone. randomly.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:28]
benkay	this, as one might expect, is just another tool to control the cattle in america.	[03:28]
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benkay	the testing is not random, it rarely even appears that way.	[03:28]
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asciilifeform	chum of mine worked at a military lab where they occasionally tested people (oddly enough, the one where i worked - never. other than enlisted men) and noted that there was usually warning.	[03:29]
benkay	if insurance companies insist on tests actually happening, managers are discreetly dispatched to discover who the safe testing targets are.	[03:29]
asciilifeform	a few days warning suffices for everyone save the potsmokers.	[03:29]
benkay	senior management generally being reluctant to sacrifice the potsmokers, you see.	[03:30]
benkay	the really funny part of the whole charade?	[03:30]
benkay	the post-incident piss test.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	that a romanian is sitting here laughing his ass off ?	[03:31]
benkay	"did you smoke pot in the last thirty days? oop - insurance doesn't cover that. guess you're out an arm!"	[03:31]
MAKABEakira	next time i have to do a UA (which is never) I should stock up on some methylene blue beforehand	[03:31]
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BingoBoingo	MAKABEakira: Well, depends on how much you like your liver	[03:32]
benkay	it's the kind of hilariously fucked up situations you get under communism i guess	[03:32]
MAKABEakira	BingoBoingo, we're just acquaintances so i'm ok with some light hearted abuse at liver's expense	[03:33]
MAKABEakira	he can filter it out	[03:33]
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asciilifeform	all i can tell from my perch - somebody must be buying those false bladders and their refills.	[03:34]
MAKABEakira	the romans had a peeconomy for realz	[03:35]
asciilifeform	by tradition, one is expected to actually piss in the company of a witness	[03:35]
asciilifeform	but i do not know whether this tradition is 'honoured in the breach'	[03:35]
asciilifeform	i imagine the pisstest is a massive boondoggle for folks selling GC/MS gear.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	benkay exactly.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	MAKABEakira that is true.	[03:38]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform except men can't piss in the company of womenz generally speaking	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, when every positive needs confirmed	[03:38]
MAKABEakira	mircea_popescu, experian will have a whole new report to sell	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	and it'd be sexist to enforce genders	[03:39]
asciilifeform	everybody gets the correct witness, it is said.	[03:39]
asciilifeform	this (and airport arsesearch) is more or less the only place where it is permitted.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	aww	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	unfare.	[03:40]
asciilifeform	caveat - i've never seen this ritual alive, personally.	[03:40]
asciilifeform	always seems to be happening to some other fellow.	[03:40]
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BingoBoingo	From stories it seems most of the enlisted drug tests now happen as an absorbent patch that collects sweat.	[03:41]
benkay	american white-collar folk are generally sent to the hospital, where the peeing happens in a luxurious room, in private.	[03:41]
benkay	^^ again with the absurdities.	[03:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: link?	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	;;google moment de intimitate-n baie	[03:42]
gribble	LA PERLA CLASSIC... Intimate and seductive... right on the ... - FlipKey: ; Coolest places to propose in the Caribbean - USA Today: ; Grand Baie Bay - Holiday Lettings: (1 more message)	[03:42]
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mircea_popescu	aww	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/	[03:42]
ozbot	Moment de intimitate-n baie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	Once I finish my write up on baseball betting I might give translating it a shot.	[03:44]
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dignork	mircea_popescu: я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин. :(	[03:46]
asciilifeform	lol!	[03:46]
asciilifeform	i think i threw this one in here at one point!	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:47]
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BingoBoingo	;;ident BingoBoingo	[03:51]
gribble	Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None	[03:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3019 @ 0.0008651 = 2.6117 BTC [+]	[04:01]
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mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bie_--PCAAEsqAh.jpg << smog.	[04:01]
BingoBoingo	Has anyone here ever shipped an oil painting before?	[04:02]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://www.reddotblog.com/wordpress/index.php/how-to-ship-paintings-a-step-by-step-guide-for-artists-and-galleries/	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	guy knows his shit	[04:04]
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BingoBoingo	Thanks. I've got a piece to sell, because fucking Dreamhost emailed me that the hosting's renewal is coming up soon.	[04:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008651 = 4.9311 BTC [+]	[04:12]
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MAKABEakira	BingoBoingo, jush needs the money	[04:13]
MAKABEakira	josh	[04:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.00590045 = 2.0475 BTC [-] {4}	[04:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.003789 = 0.9662 BTC [-] {2}	[04:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14421 @ 0.00086496 = 12.4736 BTC [-] {2}	[04:24]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[16:28]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[16:28]
C01DA51CE	i guess	[16:28]
C01DA51CE	if ur not	[16:28]
C01DA51CE	married with children	[16:28]
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KRS1	bachelor life for me	[16:30]
KRS1	sux fo ryou	[16:30]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldi1e MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio_	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c he has good points on the topic. then people wonder why he wasn't ever a topic of study by acaemia. which academia, the one that subsits on ex hedge fund manager alumni bequests ?	[16:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	the20year you can end up with a tv show on top of everything, maybe put a little effort into it, curate a youtube channel, do some blogwork/outreach	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	people love the sort of shit.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell Chris_Sabian i wouldn't be too worried about it. 2013 made bitcoin, it's a cut deal.	[16:33]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.00389975 = 1.3064 BTC [-]	[16:45]
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mircea_popescu	Neil: I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary. << how much is that ?	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00614863 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {3}	[17:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086085 = 14.204 BTC [+]	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/02/25/waltham-murders-boston-marathon/	[17:04]
ozbot	The Murders Before the Marathon	[17:04]
jcpham	mircea_popescu it's over 9000 I just checked	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	lol ok	[17:05]
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ThickAsThieves	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/	[17:07]
ozbot	How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept	[17:07]
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ThickAsThieves	"An implant plug-in named CAPTIVATEDAUDIENCE, for example, is used to take over a targeted computer’s microphone and record conversations taking place near the device. Another, GUMFISH, can covertly take over a computer’s webcam and snap photographs. FOGGYBOTTOM records logs of Internet browsing histories and collects login details and passwords used to access websites and email	[17:07]
ThickAsThieves	accounts. GROK is used to log keystrokes. And SALVAGERABBIT exfiltrates data from removable flash drives that connect to an infected computer."	[17:07]
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ThickAsThieves	https://prod01-cdn03.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/2014/03/selectors-1024x768.png	[17:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00627804 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {5}	[17:11]
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jurov	.d	[17:13]
ozbot	3.816 billion \| Next Diff in 81 blocks \| Estimated Change: 10.8910% in 0d 11h 56m 42s	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00628292 = 0.1194 BTC [+] {2}	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[17:15]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 4233978876.69 based on data since last change \| 4459038639.54 based on data for last three days	[17:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33848 @ 0.0008602 = 29.116 BTC [-] {2}	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[17:15]
gribble	Current Blocks: 290222 \| Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 \| Next Difficulty In: 81 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 14 minutes, and 13 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 4233978876.69 \| Estimated Percent Change: 10.96136	[17:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 88 @ 0.00629001 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {3}	[17:16]
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Neil	mircea_popescu: More than I thought... I keep a record of it all	[17:19]
Neil	"BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 6.00000000 BTC on No" << wow, that's almost reckless	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/ < the famous 1k4fs is like 1.2k	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	reckless how so?	[17:21]
Neil	Little upside lot of downside. Just IMO.	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	looks safe to me	[17:21]
Neil	Fair enough :)	[17:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+]	[17:30]
Neil	When do you think we'll have a full difficulty period where sum(fees)>sum(new coins)? 6.25 BTC or 3.125 BTC or later?	[17:32]
Neil	We'd definitely need the block size limit substantially raised or removed, but that's gonna have to happen in the next 18 mths anyway.	[17:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00390393 = 0.2108 BTC [+] {2}	[17:36]
Neil	;;prevdiffchange	[17:38]
gribble	21.92473	[17:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37036 @ 0.00085735 = 31.7528 BTC [-] {3}	[17:40]
thestringpuller	;;reward	[17:43]
gribble	Error: "reward" is not a valid command.	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	Neil 2016.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	and no, larger block size lowers fees.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	block size is good as is, 1mb.	[17:47]
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Neil	ThickAsThieves: Didn't realize it was your bet :)#	[17:48]
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Neil	mircea_popescu: No way in 2016... I don't see blocks with 12.5 BTC fees, and certainly not at 1MB	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	explain how you reason /	[17:49]
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Neil	Well I believe the block size will increase. But also with say ~1k txns per 1MB block, I don't see people paying an average fee of 0.0013 BTC. Especially as I expect BTC to be significantly higher than today.	[17:51]
artifexd	1meg block allows for (ideally) 5000 transactions (at 200 bytes/tx). To get 12.5 btc in fees, each transaction will have to pay .0025 btc in fees. Them thar are some hefty fees.	[17:51]
San1ty-Work	What's the general consensus here on AM and their Gen 3 chips?	[17:51]
VanCleef	risky	[17:52]
Neil	artifexd: The occasional 900 KB blocks rarely go over 1200 txns	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	Neil so you believe the block size will increase. why ?	[17:52]
Neil	It's the right thing to do.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	how do you know this ?	[17:52]
artifexd	Niel hence "ideally"	[17:52]
Neil	I don't know, it's my belief.	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	well then here's the caper : it's beyond fucking stupid.	[17:52]
Neil	Can't argue with that.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	there are two good reasons not to increase it. one is that the larger the block, the more expensive its securing	[17:52]
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San1ty-Work	VanCleef: I heard some rumors that they are planning to deploy 1600 PH	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	currently blocks are secured through the process of mining. the hash count per block is a rough proxy for its cryptographical security.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	a doubling of the block size roughly quadruples the hash needed for equal security.	[17:53]
Neil	These things should be chosen by the market, just like fees. I doubt we'll get blocks much bigger than 1MB for a long time to come, even if there weren't a limit now.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	cryptography aside, there is the economic problem, : the only way to extract rents is rarity.	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	if there are 1k slots and 10k txns vieing for a slot, you may see high fees	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	if there are 10k slots made just as soon as there's 10k txns looking for a slot, you'll not see any fees.	[17:54]
Neil	mircea_popescu: It'd be the end of bitbet with fees that high.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	the idea is for this system to be self sufficient, and in this sense there must always be a rarity of txn slots in blocks with regard to txns	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	current;y this is not satisfied.	[17:54]
Neil	It'll sort itself out.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	and no, it is not valid to pretend "block size should be set by the market", because of the problem known as the disaster of commons	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	to wit, people have an incentive to mine large blocks fopr the direct payout	[17:55]
Neil	Not at all, or they'd have been doing it for the last year.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	but the securing of the chain is an expense external to them and easily externalisable	[17:55]
Neil	Pools are afraid of orphans, and that's the way it should be.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	how is this germane to what we're discussing.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	as to the side point : bitbet avg bet is over 1 btc.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	i don't see a problem.	[17:56]
Neil	Well, we'll get to see!	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	this entire accessiblity of bitcoin angle is overplayed.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	buffett explains quite eminently why he doesn't want an accessibility of his stock in material linked yest	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking opening any one good thing to more people shittifies it.	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	let the people raise themselves up to it, rather than having it lowered to their present convenience.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	and let them learn to pay for service.	[17:58]
artifexd	mircea_popescu how does doubling the block size quadruple the work needed to get equal security? If a certain lock on a certain box provides XX amount of security, how does increasing the size of the box make the lock worth less?	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd your lock metaphore is broken. the block size is the length of a square strip of material	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	the safety is the thickness of the square surface	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	this is fundamentally what hashing does : it turns the problem of "cut this thread" into "cut this surface"	[18:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0411 = 0.2055 BTC [-] {3}	[18:01]
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artifexd	I'm fairly well versed in block/transaction/hash/etc mechanics and I am trying to wrap your metaphore around that structure. It doesn't make sense. I normally have a high amount of respect for what you say. In this case though, I think you're wrong. Or, I don't understand the variety and thus need more lurking.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	well, where's it broken ?	[18:04]
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artifexd	This will take a bit to type. Patience.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	that i have.	[18:05]
chetty	http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-exchange-for-high-frequency-traders-is-launched-2014-03-12?dist=lcountdown	[18:05]
ozbot	Bitcoin exchange for high-frequency traders is launched - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch	[18:05]
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artifexd	Solidifying a group of tx into a block doesn't provide security in the same sense that 100 twigs in a bundle are stronger than 100 twigs seperately. It provide security in providing a stable time reference for when tx happened. Completely different domains.	[18:06]
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artifexd	Typing more....	[18:07]
artifexd	Making that reference harder to forge is where the security comes from. How much happens in between each reference point has no bearing on how vulnerable or reproducable each reference point is.	[18:09]
artifexd	Does that make sense?	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	we'll have to work at this. suppose your hash function is defined as the first character of the md5.	[18:10]
artifexd	ok	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	sec mining.	[18:11]
artifexd	If we assume that md5 is a "good" hash function, then how much data you put into it doesn't have any bearing on what you get out of it. Thus the first character remains, essentially, random regardless of whether the input is 200 bytes or 200 megabytes.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	h(Women are not people.) = h(Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots)	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	now, inasmuch as your blockhash is 3, how do you know the actual block (Women are not people.) is what hapepned	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	should i claim thje actual block really was "Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots" ?	[18:14]
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artifexd	Just as much as you could claim it is mircea_popescu	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	right.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	but mircea_popescu is shorter than the original block.	[18:15]
artifexd	ok...	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	in other words : the larger the block is, the easier for a collision to be found	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	this ease is not linear.	[18:16]
artifexd	I don't argue with what your saying. I would instead say that this particular manner of attack would be monumentally stupid in the case of bitcoin.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[18:17]
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artifexd	Because when the hash of a block is "discovered" the contents of that block are spread around the world. An attacker would have to not only find a collection of valid transactions and a sundry other pieces of data that collide with the exact same hash but also convince someone else that the replacement was the actual block.	[18:19]
artifexd	You are essentially looking at an attack that is by definition maximum difficulty.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	but an attacker with a lot of hash power could create two such blocks and then swap them in and out to create dead txn	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly why the hash power and the block size interact to create the chain cryptographical security	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	they just don't interact linearly.	[18:20]
artifexd	If the hash was one letter, sure. 256 bits? "A lot" is being conservative.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	my point is that expanding the block size is not unlike shortening the hash length.	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	an infinite block size is worse than the "1st char of the md5" hash scheme i just proposed.	[18:21]
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artifexd	However, your point that limiting the maximum length in order to limit the possible collisions is irrelevant as well because there is already a specific place for you to twiddle that will have the exact result you would want. The nonce/timestamp.	[18:21]
artifexd	Your point is technically true, but practically worthless.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	how you reason ?	[18:22]
artifexd	Because you still have to find the birthday collision. Why would an attacker try to create a block 1 gigabyte long (which still has to be valid) in order to clash with a block 1 megabyte long?	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	(and for the record, i'm not arguing that this would be a particular venue of attack, i am merely showing how my thread length/surface metaphore is much better than your lock/lockbox metaphor)	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	artifexd perhaps because it's the only one that satisfies some other criteria we don't know about.	[18:23]
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artifexd	I have a prior engagement that I have to attend to. I will think on this.	[18:24]
benkay	training: http://imgur.com/xi9CLxg	[18:25]
artifexd	Also, for the record, I think that increasing the block size right now is a dumb idea, not necessary and counter-productive to the desired result.	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	benkay you take "bitches" quite literally huh.	[18:26]
benkay	i guess it's hard to see his penis in that photo	[18:27]
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KRS1	.bait	[18:31]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/c455620f7f4974fb00eac35cb7d839ff/tumblr_mtzytkDLTj1rwn2euo1_1280.jpg	[18:31]
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KRS1	what do you know, there's faggot dog porn: http://doggay.net/	[18:34]
KRS1	There ya go if you are looking for the red rocket.	[18:34]
KRS1	who knew there were gay dogs..i kind of wondered since I once saw a boy dog trying to hump another boy dog.	[18:35]
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jcpham	gay dogs porn was something i didn't entirely want to see today	[18:41]
HeySteve	shouldn't have joined #dogecoin then	[18:42]
benkay	"gay" is a human thing, KRS1.	[18:42]
jcpham	uright	[18:44]
jcpham	not sure dogs can be "gay"	[18:44]
chetty	http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/woman-marries-pet-dog-amanda-rodgers-sheba-british-divorcee-croatia/1/347611.html	[18:45]
ozbot	Dismayed by men, 47-year-old UK woman 'marries' pet dog : Europe, News - India Today	[18:45]
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benkay	trough of disillusionment? trough of disillusionment.	[18:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.59000075 = 9.44 BTC [-] {4}	[18:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00591095 = 0.7684 BTC [-] {3}	[18:55]
KRS1	It seems your dog can indeed be gay..	[18:58]
KRS1	http://www.examiner.com/article/can-a-dog-be-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual-new-test-says-yes	[18:58]
ozbot	Can a dog be gay, lesbian or bisexual? New test says yes - Chicago animal welfare \| Examiner.com	[18:58]
KRS1	Crazy.	[18:58]
benkay	"examiner"	[18:58]
benkay	nope.jpg	[18:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59 = 4.13 BTC [-]	[19:00]
KRS1	It seems there's a whole subculture of queer K9's.. http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003456755/35567200_rainbow_condom_dog20gay_xlarge.jpeg	[19:02]
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KRS1	I knew it..there was like this dog once who always walked kind of sideways...ever since I first saw it I kind of wondered.	[19:02]
KRS1	And some even cross their legs.	[19:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00590058 = 1.6227 BTC [-] {2}	[19:06]
asciilifeform	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8707829.stm	[19:08]
asciilifeform	'As Mr Mullick demonstrated how to tie a "good noose" around a neck for the cameras, half a dozen children around Bengal imitated his moves and accidentally strangled friends and relatives.' << lol	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7468 @ 0.00014504 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {6}	[19:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0039853 = 0.9963 BTC [+] {5}	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/12/bitcoin-isnt-a-currency-cant-replace-gold-goldman-sachs/	[19:10]
ozbot	Bitcoin Isn’t a Currency, Can’t Replace Gold: Goldman Sachs - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	KRS1 there's no such thing as gay dogs. dogs, much like people, will fuck other male dogs if no female dogs are available.	[19:10]
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asciilifeform	' If a ledger-based technology is to succeed, the cyber-currency would very likely have to have some type of fixed exchange rate in order to overcome this obstacle.' << wtf ?	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	the wsj link inexplicably has a pic of dorian	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves starting to get a little pannicky, are they :D	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform first they lol, then they fight,	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	then mp fucks their skulls and pisses in their eye sockets	[19:12]
mike_c	no, first they ignore	[19:12]
mike_c	then they lol, etc.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	aok	[19:12]
mike_c	then the eye socket thing	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	they spell out their own doom without realizing it, as usual	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	"With millenniums of history behind it as a hedge against debasement, the key to gold’s success is the stability and predictability of its demand."	[19:13]
asciilifeform	these folks are still puzzling over the question of how to fill a brick of btc with tungsten.	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.005911 = 0.1064 BTC [+] {2}	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they have, NYC BTC exchange inevitable...	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	what are the odds itll be blockahain transparent?	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005911 = 0.13 BTC [+]	[19:19]
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benkay	purt darn near zero	[19:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099793 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3}	[19:26]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly.	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, tea party runs off with seat in always-democrat constituency	[19:29]
thestringpuller	lolol bitcoins filled with tungsten	[19:29]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform i'ma start using that one	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nil. what are the odds it'll be ok'd ?	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	remember, this is bitcoin. the powers that are can tear the powers that wannabe a new one quite easily	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	as the sore holes of mtgox, the foundation, etc etc scattered all over the forum neatly attest.	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	keiser with his tv hordes is still smarting and so on.	[19:31]
jcpham	fill all bitcoin bars with tungsten immediately	[19:31]
jcpham	we''ll be rreech	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	people seriously think Judy Collins was hawt at any point ?!	[19:34]
C01DA51CE	who?	[19:35]
C01DA51CE	http://i.imgur.com/w4PCJ9I.jpg	[19:35]
C01DA51CE	those are pretty hot	[19:35]
C01DA51CE	judy collins has looked like she had facial surgery but she	[19:36]
C01DA51CE	never did	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	nah, not hot: http://www.biography.com/people/judy-collins-16243150	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	looks a bit like an exmale	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	i agree.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	people seem to have this strange aesthetic amnesia when discussing faux 1960s "famous" tarts.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	a la baez and whatnot.	[19:41]
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asciilifeform	http://www.securelist.com/en/advisories/57325 << loltron	[20:03]
ozbot	Microsoft Windows DirectShow JPEG Images Parsing Memory Corruption Vulnerability - Securelist	[20:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00085829 = 21.071 BTC [-]	[20:04]
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benkay	coooooool	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[20:04]
joecool	too bad didn't come out after april 15th	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	why april 15th ?	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	i find it hard to believe that a JPG exploit can exist by mistake...	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	in windows ?	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	the entire codestack exists by mistake	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[20:08]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: if a man can shoot himself in the back of the head three times by mistake, then why not this.	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	got me there!	[20:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [+]	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	that's easy asciilifeform just use a mirror.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	view lolcat, get pwnd.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	pwndcat	[20:10]
asciilifeform	or .bait.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	did anyone put this on reddit or we've not told them yet	[20:10]
asciilifeform	damned if i know. it's been out for days. 'spent'.	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	it was on theverge or something popular	[20:10]
C01DA51CE	i think its only through DirectShow	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	^	[20:11]
C01DA51CE	dont know who which apps use this	[20:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0459 = 0.3213 BTC [+]	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think viewing JPG in web browser is susceptible	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	where most people view them	[20:11]
C01DA51CE	i heard skype	[20:11]
C01DA51CE	is vuln	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	although dunno if IE uses Directshow	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	well we know Skype is NSAized	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	"DirectShow (sometimes abbreviated as DS or DShow), codename Quartz, is a multimedia framework and API produced by Microsoft for software developers to perform various operations with media files or streams. It is the replacement for Microsoft's earlier Video for Windows technology."	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	hmm i recall something else about quartz at some point	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	basically this was activex v2	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	maybe with Apple?	[20:13]
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mike_c	directshow is part of DirectX, their opengl thingie.	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}	[20:14]
C01DA51CE	sounds like	[20:14]
C01DA51CE	a porno	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	mike_c nah, wasn't part of directx back in like... a decade ago at least	[20:15]
mike_c	yeah it was, i used it.	[20:15]
mike_c	over a decade ago :)	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	basically, the dev in charge of directx didn't want the shit in there anymore	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	so they moved it	[20:15]
mike_c	"Previous versions of the DirectShow SDK were included in the DirectX SDK. ", yeah, they took it out in 2005	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	aok	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.bjpenn.com/grappler-vomits-submits-after-opponent-farts-in-his-face/	[20:17]
ozbot	Grappler Vomits & Submits After Opponent Farts In His Face UFC News \| MMA News - BJPENN.COM	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00086006 = 15.3521 BTC [+] {2}	[20:17]
mike_c	haha " After this version, DirectShow was moved to the Windows SDK". the windows devs didn't mind having it in their pile of crap	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	well... directx was a pretty decent package.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	at least even with random crap like say ubuntu	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	used heavily in games, no?	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	windows however...	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00086054 = 9.1648 BTC [+]	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, for a good two decades that pillar held. technical excellence in directx + marketing excellence in ms hq ensured market domination for windows	[20:18]
asciilifeform	a bit of an oversimplification	[20:20]
asciilifeform	ignores master touches like conniving with intel to stab os/2 in the back, etc.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[20:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00623 = 0.1246 BTC [-]	[20:23]
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Mats_cd03	ThickAsThieves: what btc venue would you recommend for sports betting	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt recommend sports betting	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	sooo	[20:25]
Mats_cd03	so dongs	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	;;estimate	[20:26]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 4224066657.81 based on data since last change \| 4501944129.48 based on data for last three days	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/	[20:27]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	tight huh	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/443779660002754562/photo/1	[20:28]
ozbot	Twitter / tuurdemeester: Goldman Sachs drops the bomb: ...	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	not really sure what that is	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	i guess there's a GS report on BTC?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	tuurdemeester - is that something like a burgomeister, but...?	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	btc beats WU	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they paid for a wsj piece to explain how bitcoin isn't as good as gold.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	imagine that :D	[20:31]
jcpham	here's your new forum: https://bitcointa.lk/pages/features/	[20:32]
benkay	the point of bitcointalk.org being the information asymmetry, though.	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	jcpham, i dont get it	[20:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: quite a few u.s. folks know 'the dirt' re: 'the boston tea party.' it isn't exactly a national secret.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ask teenaged girls sometime.	[20:37]
joecool	asciilifeform: are you a contributor to buzzfeed?	[20:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: perhaps i should also ask them, next, the best way to avoid write-hazards on MIPS4.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	joecool: wtf is buzzfeed	[20:39]
asciilifeform	let me guess - aggregator for dope aficionados?	[20:39]
joecool	"top 15 things most americans don't know about the tea party"	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00623003 = 0.3177 BTC [+] {2}	[20:39]
joecool	that sort of headline	[20:39]
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asciilifeform	someone must tell Tuurdemeester about Expertsexchange.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but suzanne was 19ish	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	inconvenient as it may be, girls aged 16 to 19ish are the country.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	'buzzfeed' - the bus bars which supply current to an electric chair?	[20:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 167 @ 0.0059 = 0.9853 BTC [-]	[20:45]
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kakobrekla	re previous twitter link, i thought he was trolling with his name, but then i checked www.tuurdemeester.com/subscribe/ and i see its fuckin real. fuckin unreal.	[20:49]
kakobrekla	am i the only one that thinks 'turd master' ?	[20:50]
benkay	nope.jpg	[20:51]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#556748	[20:52]
dub	no worse than cockburn	[20:52]
kakobrekla	burgomeister?	[20:52]
kakobrekla	and apparently i missed your line previously.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	;;google burgomeister	[20:53]
gribble	The Burgomeister's Demesne: ; burgomeister.org • Index page: ; Burgomaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[20:53]
asciilifeform	sometimes i wonder if i actually learned english, or was cheated and given something vaguely compatible	[20:54]
asciilifeform	like pcdos vs. msdos	[20:54]
kakobrekla	its closer to turd master, by the cover and by the content	[20:54]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla nope, not the only one.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform english is a slut like that.	[20:56]
kakobrekla	good, cause for a second there i thought i was psychotic or something	[20:56]
dub	dat moment when	[20:56]
asciilifeform	names are working parts. even matsushita finally changed its name.	[20:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0059 = 0.177 BTC [-]	[20:57]
dub	http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Faggoter-1	[21:02]
ozbot	Mary Faggoter 1696 - Seeking Genealogy	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]	[21:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]	[21:04]
KRS1	lol wut	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06999999 = 2.24 BTC [+] {3}	[21:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5821 = 4.0747 BTC [-]	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/4316.jpg	[21:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.582 BTC [-]	[21:09]
KRS1	I hate Wal Mart, but people of Wal Mart website is such fun.	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.581454 = 3.4887 BTC [-] {3}	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	i've never been	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	but it's basically just a supermarket neh ?	[21:10]
benkay	http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/62880/caption-contest-22/	[21:10]
ozbot	Caption Contest - People Of Walmart	[21:10]
benkay	the supermarket.	[21:10]
KRS1	its...an experience. Its so big its ridiculous and you can't find help. The one where I live sells everything from sardines to tires.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	i went once, in >2 decades. it was a warehouse full of el-cheapo.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	there are many similar shops	[21:11]
KRS1	They actually have some decent goods.	[21:11]
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KRS1	When you go to leave, the checkouts make a beeping sound. When multiplied by 20+ checkout lanes the sound is deafening. The people are low class and aren't afraid to show it.	[21:11]
benkay	http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6012.jpg	[21:12]
KRS1	The one where I live is also 24 hours. Its strange.	[21:13]
KRS1	In case you need like...a hammer, new underwear and a lamp at 4AM.	[21:14]
kakobrekla	i actually like the 24 hourness in general	[21:14]
benkay	i found mircea_popescu: http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6002.jpg	[21:14]
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KRS1	kakobrekla: i agree, late/odd hours are the only time I'll go, if I ever do go. The daytime is just so crazy.	[21:15]
KRS1	LOL benkay	[21:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.61408464 = 12.2817 BTC [+] {8}	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	lol my beard is much thicker than that shit	[21:19]
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dub	just a supermarket and the biggest company in th eworld by a couple of metrics	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	i considered taking advantage of this Target Credit Monitoring thing	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	but the whole thing feels like a scam itself	[21:30]
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ThickAsThieves	authorization codes and Experian logos	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	feels much more like a promotion that will get me more spam for years to come	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	this fucking world...	[21:31]
benkay	take out all the fiat loans you can	[21:31]
benkay	pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough.	[21:31]
benkay	or just bail on the US.	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	i'd have to leave my wife to do so	[21:32]
dub	bonus?	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	some days!	[21:32]
dub	is she permanently affixed to .us?	[21:32]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: leo szilard supposedly said 'wisdom consist in getting on the train a day before everybody else.'	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	i know ascii i know	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	she just got a great job here	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	one she's wanted for a long time	[21:33]
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asciilifeform	this place would probably empty out overnight if everybody had work elsewhere.	[21:33]
benkay	DC in particular?	[21:34]
asciilifeform	usa	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	it's already happening	[21:34]
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benkay	i don't think there's enough 'work' to absorb all the meat that would need to emigrate to empty out the usa.	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	americans dont wanna work anyway	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	immigrants do all the work	[21:34]
asciilifeform	maybe poor choice of words. 'employment' rather than 'work'	[21:35]
ThickAsThieves	maybe	[21:35]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: its not that americans dont want to work	[21:36]
dub	its not like we're talking about actual work	[21:36]
benkay	are there other socialist regimes with the printing presses to employ such volumes of cattle, asciilifeform?	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	its just that americans have been brainwashed by the government to have a skewed view of what work is	[21:36]
dub	just distraction for the cattle class	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	like, they think going to college means something	[21:36]
dub	give them vidya games	[21:36]
asciilifeform	benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade.	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	protip: it doesnt, and you will not get a job because you went there	[21:36]
benkay	Diablo-D3: are you 'degreed'?	[21:37]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage	[21:37]
Diablo-D3	benkay: I refuse to hold one.	[21:37]
benkay	did you ever attend one of the 'colleges'?	[21:37]
Diablo-D3	benkay: degrees are a downright scam for the industry Im in	[21:37]
blackwhite	So I have a question for all you experts. Imagine a bitcoin like protocol that allow you to embed digital assets or watermark certain digital assets. You could in theory imagine everything from digital pokemon cards to creative commons licenses as unique "scarce" resources.	[21:38]
benkay	or straight up reject the whole prop. right out of HS?	[21:38]
blackwhite	Thoughts?	[21:38]
Diablo-D3	benkay: rejected the whole thing from the get go.	[21:38]
Diablo-D3	benkay: I didnt even take high school seriously.	[21:38]
Diablo-D3	it was 4 years of attempted brainwashing that I successfully resisted	[21:38]
benkay	public school?	[21:38]
Diablo-D3	yes	[21:38]
benkay	blackwhite: sounds colored coins etc	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage/// i dont consider this a problem	[21:39]
benkay	;;google trilema colored coins	[21:39]
gribble	Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Women Behind Bars pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[21:39]
benkay	blackwhite: read ^^	[21:39]
asciilifeform	most of the people i know with actual degrees - yours truly included - (sci/eng.) had, at the time of signing up, delusions of employment in academia	[21:39]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: I consider it a problem. Americans are turned down for jobs because of companies acting illegally.	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	i'd rather commiserate with Mexicans than the people that complain about them	[21:39]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: Im not blaming the mexcians	[21:39]
benkay	Americans are turned down from jobs because the communist government imposes artificial wage constraints.	[21:39]
Diablo-D3	they have a pretty sweet deal	[21:39]
asciilifeform	Diablo-D3: i have yet to run into an american who lamented 'i'd like to find work picking tomatoes, but couldn't on account of mexicans'	[21:40]
Diablo-D3	they get to get out of that shithole homeland of theirs and get paid a shitload of money by their standards	[21:40]
Diablo-D3	asciilifeform: because you'll never find a job listing for that.	[21:40]
ThickAsThieves	asciilifeform, then you must have never been to a border state	[21:40]
dub	lol	[21:40]
Diablo-D3	asciilifeform: all the big agriculture farms go out and find mexicans to work there and illegally bring them into the country	[21:40]
blackwhite	You won't find a listing for that because no one want to take it unless they are mexicans. It's more or less the same problem around the world	[21:41]
blackwhite	immigrants take the shitty jobs	[21:41]
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Diablo-D3	blackwhite: there are people in america that will take any job	[21:41]
Diablo-D3	there are people who have applied to 1000 different jobs and were turned down	[21:41]
asciilifeform	we have tighter 'caste stratification' here than in victorian england. an engineer, programmer, even lowly clerk, might live a whole life without speaking to these folks.	[21:41]
blackwhite	not enough and not for what they will be paid	[21:41]
Diablo-D3	they're turned down for insane reasons	[21:41]
Diablo-D3	"oh, you have a degree, we dont want you"	[21:41]
benkay	no, that's a good reason.	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	"oh, you're too old" (30s is too old? wow)	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	"oh, we need a minority"	[21:42]
benkay	also a good reason.	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	"oh, we need a woman"	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	wtf is this with "good reason"	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	its a fucking job at mcdonalds you fucks	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	anyone can work it	[21:42]
benkay	gotta be young	[21:42]
dub	thats cause telling them they are too fat is discrimination	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	they don't need a good reason in the losing party's estimation	[21:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09299979 = 0.186 BTC [+]	[21:42]
benkay	and cheap	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	dub: and that doesnt even make sense	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	one third of america is too fat	[21:42]
benkay	and instructable.	[21:42]
benkay	american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs.	[21:42]
Diablo-D3	benkay: yeah, they're fucked	[21:43]
asciilifeform	incidentally, even a 100% proper science/maths/etc degree can be a liability, as you'll only be considered for the higher paygrades (naturally tighter musical chairs)	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	I feel sorry for them	[21:43]
benkay	"but my feminism is insulted every day in this gig!"	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	i never hired a college graduate	[21:43]
blackwhite	Diablo-D3 they are too fat because they eat shit food. They might as well die of starvation because they sure will die from obesity	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	they are broken	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	they were brainwashed into thinking untruths by the governemt	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	blackwhite: yes, and the sooner we burn the wheat and corn crops the better	[21:43]
blackwhite	ahh I see we got a ancapper in the house :)	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	wheat, corn, sugar cain, all highly toxic drugs that should be on the schedule I list	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	actually i probably did hire some, i wouldnt remember because i wouldnt have cared	[21:43]
benkay	asciilifeform: i've seen that up close and personally.	[21:44]
Diablo-D3	treat those fucks like the terrorists they are	[21:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5840001 = 1.168 BTC [-] {2}	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	diablo-d3 always bringing it back to paleo	[21:44]
ThickAsThieves	...	[21:44]
Diablo-D3	hey, if we're going to talk about fat people, bringing up the cure is fair game	[21:45]
Diablo-D3	the government loves to brainwash people	[21:45]
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ThickAsThieves	paleo is no cure	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	fuck outta he	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	a	[21:45]
Diablo-D3	it tells kids in high school "get a degree at any cost no matter what, otherwise you'll never get a job"	[21:45]
asciilifeform	'a hunchback is cured by the grave.' (rus. proverb)	[21:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5830002 = 1.749 BTC [-]	[21:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-]	[21:45]
asciilifeform	s/cured/straightened	[21:45]
Diablo-D3	it tells fat people "dont eat meat, dont eat fat, dont eat cholesterol, eat wheat and corn and other "vegetables" like them" and people keep getting fatter on that insane advice	[21:46]
Diablo-D3	you can run ten thousand miles and never get skinny, you can eat the FDA recommended diet and never get skinny	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	you are fucking insane	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	people arent fat cuz wheat	[21:46]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: I went from 340 to 210	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	so	[21:46]
Diablo-D3	by following a strict paleo diet	[21:46]
Diablo-D3	I have all the proof I need to know I'm right. I'm living proof.	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	go for a run 3 times a week for same result	[21:47]
Diablo-D3	nope	[21:47]
Diablo-D3	and fat people shouldnt run	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	go whole foods for same result	[21:47]
Diablo-D3	thats a good way to getting a heart attack	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	baby steps	[21:47]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: the thing is, I lost this weight without increased exercise.	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	so that blows your theory out of the water	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	and that's a good thing?	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	my body finally regulating itself? thats a GREAT thing	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	look man, go write a fucking book or do a documentary	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: why do you hate America?	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	seriously	[21:48]
dub	whats to like?	[21:48]
benkay	little bit of column a, little bit of column b	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	just cuz you found an angle doesnt make it the divine answer to all things	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	all you do is bitch when I bring up the fact obesity has been cured.	[21:48]
benkay	Diablo-D3's clearly all the way in column a.	[21:49]
dub	Diablo-D3 is clearly a crackhead	[21:49]
Diablo-D3	The FDA can no longer brainwash america.	[21:49]
dub	this is old news	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	people have been curing obesity 100 times over	[21:49]
Diablo-D3	Their reign of terror is over.	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	yet it exists	[21:49]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: you sound fat.	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	certainly not in the sense you imagine	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	i attribute any overweight lbs to sitting in this chair too much	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	nothing more	[21:50]
Diablo-D3	I attribute it to government interference in the natural diet of humans.	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	dude i'm vegan	[21:51]
Diablo-D3	Thats even worse	[21:51]
Diablo-D3	no wonder you're sick	[21:51]
Diablo-D3	eat meat	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	will it make me like you?	[21:51]
benkay	Diablo-D3: what's your macro ratio?	[21:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00399999 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[21:51]
Diablo-D3	benkay: is there a web calculator for that somewhere?	[21:52]
benkay	uh	[21:52]
benkay	you should be able to estimate.	[21:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9617 @ 0.00013531 = 1.3013 BTC [-] {12}	[21:52]
benkay	take like 15 minutes	[21:52]
ThickAsThieves	he's not even arguing about ratios though	[21:52]
Diablo-D3	benkay: well like, is it based on what I eat?	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	he's arguing types of protein, etc	[21:53]
benkay	do you do nutritional suppositories?!	[21:53]
benkay	of course the stuff that goes in your face	[21:53]
Diablo-D3	benkay: No I mean, is that the only part of the calculation?	[21:53]
benkay	i'd assume - do you have other input sources to consider?	[21:53]
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Diablo-D3	benkay: because like, I have quite little carb intake	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	i think maybe a common ground here might be, we can all agree that the processed a food is, and the more unnatural chemicals make it up or are used to create it, the worse the food is	[21:54]
Diablo-D3	benkay: its mostly protein and fat	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	the more processed*	[21:54]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: yes, but grains and sugars only exist in processed form	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	my apple is processed?	[21:54]
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ThickAsThieves	i also didnt say all processing is bad	[21:55]
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Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: eating natural fruit is about the only source of sugars pretty much	[21:55]
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benkay	i'm okay with babe-baked breads. in moderation.	[21:56]
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Diablo-D3	so lets find out how many grams of various things I ate today	[21:56]
dub	is unnatural fruit a thing?	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	dub: yeah, sadly	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	was gonna asl	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	ask*	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	dub: like, sugar loaded applesuaces	[21:57]
benkay	so Diablo-D3 once you drop all the weight via completely cutting out carbs, one can lead a pretty healthy life eating the occasional sugar thing (or beer, or wine), provided you supplement with exercise.	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	sugar loaded dried fruits	[21:57]
Diablo-D3	etc	[21:57]
benkay	not exercising is just as bad as living on carbs.	[21:57]
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Diablo-D3	113g of this steak is 140 calories, 3.5g of fat, 0 carbs, 26g of protein....	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	really i think D3 simply cherishes what got him healthy to the point of fanaticism	[21:58]
Diablo-D3	I ate 606 grams of it	[21:58]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: that's kinda what i'm driving at	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	it's admirable in a way	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	but annoying as fuck	[21:58]
dub	ThickAsThieves: its the first thing he's ever stuck to for more than a minute	[21:58]
Diablo-D3	so thats 751 calories....	[21:58]
Diablo-D3	18.7 grams of fat...	[21:59]
benkay	;;calc 3.5/(26+3.5)	[21:59]
gribble	0.118644067797	[21:59]
ThickAsThieves	i have been the same way with jogging at times	[21:59]
Diablo-D3	and 139 grams of protein	[21:59]
ThickAsThieves	i have this 3-year or so cycle where i get 40lbs overweight and pick up jogging again	[21:59]
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ThickAsThieves	it's not perfect	[21:59]
ThickAsThieves	but it's my thing	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	so when people talk about losing weight	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	i just say	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	jog!	[22:00]
Diablo-D3	now for the vegs...	[22:00]
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Diablo-D3	84g (entire bag is 408g, I eat entire bag), 25 calories, 0g fat, 5g carbs, 0 protein	[22:01]
Diablo-D3	121 calories...	[22:01]
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ThickAsThieves	D3 poops like a champion	[22:01]
Diablo-D3	24g carbs	[22:01]
Diablo-D3	so for total today I ate...	[22:01]
Diablo-D3	872 calories...	[22:02]
benkay	;;calc 3.5 * (606/113)	[22:02]
gribble	18.7699115044	[22:02]
Diablo-D3	18.7 grams of fat, 24g carbs...	[22:02]
benkay	;;calc 18.7699115044/(606 + 408)	[22:03]
gribble	0.0185107608525	[22:03]
Diablo-D3	and 139g of protein	[22:03]
benkay	homie you're cruising for gout	[22:03]
dub	what is a bag of veggies?	[22:03]
Diablo-D3	dub: I get birds eye frozen stir fry shit	[22:03]
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Diablo-D3	its actually rather good	[22:03]
dub	you are fuckign retarded dude	[22:03]
Diablo-D3	its hard to find frozen that isnt shit	[22:03]
benkay	Diablo-D3: how old are you?	[22:03]
dub	whats wrong with fresh?	[22:04]
Diablo-D3	benkay: 30	[22:04]
benkay	please get some fat in your diet	[22:04]
Diablo-D3	dub: nothing, it just spoils too quickly and its hard to get stuff grown in america most of the year	[22:04]
Diablo-D3	benkay: 18.7g of fat isnt enough?!	[22:04]
benkay	18.7/(606+408)	[22:04]
Diablo-D3	benkay: dude, thats like, way above what the FDA brainwashed people to believe is the maximum	[22:04]
benkay	;;calc 18.7/(606+408)	[22:04]
gribble	0.0184418145957	[22:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2851 @ 0.00009998 = 0.285 BTC [+] {2}	[22:04]
benkay	ah i'm fucking that up	[22:05]
benkay	what's the cal/g fat?	[22:05]
benkay	9	[22:05]
artifexd_afk	9	[22:05]
Diablo-D3	872 calories, 18.7g of fat	[22:05]
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benkay	;;calc 18.7*9/872	[22:05]
gribble	0.193004587156	[22:05]
benkay	so 20%	[22:05]
benkay	75% protein is a recipe for gout	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough. << no actually : take loan, buy bitcoin, give bank the finger.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	judge can order whatever he wants, the bitcoin he can't touch	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	help bring down the us banking system.	[22:06]
dub	benkay: there are few real rules	[22:06]
benkay	mhm.	[22:06]
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dub	benkay: people are different, the only way to apply any science is test your blood regularly	[22:07]
benkay	heard of a thing called an "operating envelope", dub?	[22:07]
benkay	i have no idea what exactly the dropoff is, but 75% protein for an extended period of time is fukken dangerous.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade. << most of those have already left.	[22:07]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Maybe we bet on whether gout or kidney disease happens firstsies?	[22:07]
dub	benkay: according to who?	[22:07]
benkay	shrug	[22:07]
benkay	nobody, obviously.	[22:07]
dub	the answer is the answer	[22:08]
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Diablo-D3	wikipedia says gout is caused by inflamation	[22:08]
dub	its caused by uric (sp?) acid	[22:09]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs. << this.	[22:09]
Diablo-D3	dub: ahh, so THATS what that test is for	[22:09]
asciilifeform	but work they do.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	whoa shit i can;'t keep uop with you people	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	type slower	[22:10]
asciilifeform	coffee shop in this town is, afaik, 100% uni grads.	[22:10]
pLambert	if your body is burning protein for energy, you will have to get rid of all the nitrogen somehow, which wears out your kidneys	[22:10]
Diablo-D3	pLambert: yes and no	[22:10]
Diablo-D3	pLambert: there is a level where too much protein is bad	[22:10]
asciilifeform	polar explorers, 'pemmican'	[22:11]
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Mats_cd03	http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20030317/high-protein-diets-can-hurt-kidneys	[22:11]
ozbot	High-Protein Diets Can Hurt Kidneys	[22:11]
Diablo-D3	but its a lot higher than the FDA would like you to believe	[22:11]
Mats_cd03	ketosis, etc	[22:11]
Diablo-D3	yeah, I wish people would quit trying to demonize ketosis	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	pLambert has it pretty much	[22:11]
Diablo-D3	ketosis is a good thing if you're losing weight	[22:11]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 it widely depends on the genetics of the individual in question	[22:11]
dub	if your basis for anything is the FDA you're already fucked btw	[22:11]
ThickAsThieves	losing weight isnt purely a good thing	[22:11]
Mats_cd03	the psychological effects are what most people are concerned about	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	in general people vary metabolically two even three degrees of magnitude.	[22:12]
dub	those numbers don't come from science	[22:12]
Diablo-D3	its only an issue if you're eating the typical american diet and you have, say, diabetes	[22:12]
pLambert	when I did paleo, it was just a moderate amount of meat, and tons of fruit and veggies	[22:12]
Diablo-D3	dub: I agree, the FDA is full of shit	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	alcohol that'll kill a pacific islander = 0.1% of the dose well tolerated by a caucasian	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	etc	[22:12]
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pLambert	say whatever you want, but if you are burning protein the nitrogen is going out of your body via urine.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	some sweat.	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	pLambert: I agree	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	pLambert: but we're supposed to be burning fats and protein, not carbs	[22:13]
ThickAsThieves	anyone have insight as to what will happen if abnormal amounts of ginger are consumed regularly?	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	"supposed"	[22:13]
pLambert	no, burn carbs and fats, not protein	[22:13]
benkay	mircea_popescu: orders of magnitude you say? does this apply to intelligence? o.O	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	we're supposed to burn whatever we get mouths on	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	benkay easily.	[22:14]
pLambert	your brain needs glucose to work	[22:14]
benkay	;)	[22:14]
Diablo-D3	burning carbs too much doesnt work	[22:14]
dub	ThickAsThieves: gingervitis? sorry	[22:14]
Diablo-D3	its why the american diet fails	[22:14]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:14]
Diablo-D3	dub: argh	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	pLambert that is true, but it's also true a wide array of thing can be reformed into glucose	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	including old rags	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves probably at the worst some digestive tract inflamation	[22:15]
ThickAsThieves	it is an anti-inflammatory	[22:15]
Diablo-D3	ginger is also delicious	[22:15]
dub	usually too much of anything is bad	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	that it may be	[22:16]
Diablo-D3	pLambert: so, theres a blood test for this nitrogen shit, right?	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	a piss test?	[22:16]
pLambert	you could probably have your doctor do it, but I don't think you can do it at home	[22:16]
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pLambert	I think they look for ketones in the blood as a marker for kidney failure?	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	ketoacidosis is prolly picked up by diabetic tests	[22:17]
Diablo-D3	no not for ketones	[22:17]
Diablo-D3	I already did a piss test for that, havent gotten the results yet	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	yeah by the time you have that problem you're well screwed.	[22:18]
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ThickAsThieves	In normal doses, ginger may cause stomachache, diarrhea or loose stools. Recent studies have indicated that large overdoses can cause depression or an irregular heartbeat.	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	People with gallstones should not use ginger without a physician's authorization.	[22:18]
pLambert	I'm not a doctor, I'm just a chemist	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	you're a chemist ?!	[22:18]
pLambert	yeah, why?	[22:18]
Diablo-D3	okay, one of these tests is "blood urea nitrogen"	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's an irritant, right ? it may be a systemic antiinflamatory, but it inflamates teh mucuous digestive tract	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	no particular reason, just curious.	[22:19]
ThickAsThieves	it being spicy i suppose is the first indiator	[22:19]
ThickAsThieves	c	[22:19]
pLambert	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375996.0	[22:20]
ozbot	I will answer chemistry questions for BTC tips	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://www.mega.nu/ampp/drugtext/morgan1.html grep for ginger btw	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	how did that go lol. lota druggies?	[22:21]
benkay	hey mike_c where did you get that line about liquid markets and the theft of capital?	[22:22]
benkay	nm foundit	[22:22]
ThickAsThieves	to make it more interesting, i've had joint pains in my knees for a long time	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	"The past few days I have been doing a model reaction reacting 1-octene with syngas (CO and H2) to make nonanal" y non anal ?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	anal is good yo.	[22:23]
ThickAsThieves	probly how teh ginger craving began	[22:23]
pLambert	non-anal is not the same as nonan-al :)	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	i guess i better cut back on the ginger	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves turns out it's a motor neuron toxic	[22:31]
benkay	(The	[22:32]
benkay	projections will be dazzling - the advocates will be sincere -	[22:32]
benkay	but, in the end, major additional investment in a terrible	[22:32]
benkay	industry usually is about as rewarding as struggling in	[22:32]
benkay	quicksand.)	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i should take up pot instead	[22:33]
ThickAsThieves	my dad has fibromyalgia, maybe i'm getting there too	[22:33]
ThickAsThieves	i dont drink or do any other drugs anymore, and this seems to be leading to odd cravings	[22:34]
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ThickAsThieves	i think my brain is just telling me to eat away pains or something	[22:34]
ThickAsThieves	before ginger was strong desire for very hoppy beers	[22:35]
pLambert	I have heard the paleo diet gets rid of inflamations and discomforts ...	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	i've heard whole food diet does same	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	no meat required	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	just as long as you don't make a lifetime out of it i dun see what it can hurt	[22:35]
pLambert	you don't need meat for paleo	[22:35]
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ThickAsThieves	d3 would surely disagree	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	turns out hops are related to marijuana	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	cannibinoids	[22:36]
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ThickAsThieves	terpenoids	[22:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://t.co/TYx0hoW7OX	[22:40]
ozbot	Wells Fargo made up on-demand foreclosure papers plan: court filing charges \| New York Post	[22:40]
asciilifeform	some lost soul will try to make use of this 'revelation' and accidentally out of a window.	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	too bad, they seemed to be one of the least shady banks left	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/russia-reins-in-another-news-organization.html?_r=0	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there's no less shady bank left. they are exactly equally shady, like communicating vessels	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	"prevailing business best practices" it's called.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	meanwhile,	[22:43]
asciilifeform	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-crimean-crisis-and-western-bias.html	[22:43]
ozbot	ClubOrlov: The Crimean “Crisis” and Western Bias	[22:43]
asciilifeform	'The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.'	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	amusingly enough, "antisemite" is now an official russian govt insult	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	mindboggling	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's definitely a blackout, it being the message of the enemy. duh.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	galicia (western ua) is a curious 'nature preserve', where critters thought extinct in the 1940s roam freely.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile elsewhere,	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	"Former Jefferies Group managing director and senior trader, Jesse Litvak, indicted on charges of securities fraud, fraud connected to the US Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) and falsifying statements to the federal government, has been convicted of defrauding investors.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	A federal jury found Litvak guilty on all counts, according to media reports. The 12-member jury found Litvak guilty on 15 criminal counts, including 10 of securities fraud. The defendant had pleaded not guilty to the 15 counts."	[22:44]
asciilifeform	best proof of this oddity - their own www sites.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the glatz is obviously eastern prussia, not western ua :D	[22:44]
asciilifeform	truly.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	most of central europe is so dubious... basically you can give a 5yo a crayon and the map	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	whatever he draws is likely arguable as a "correct" map of the part of the world	[22:46]
KRS1	I cry for the 'Peans.	[22:47]
KRS1	This is terrible.	[22:47]
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pLambert	My ancestors moved to the US from Bohemia, now I can't find that place on a map!	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	czech republic.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	"Suzanne: Well, that could be. The half crazy could pertain to the sadness, but I think it was because I was so on a creative drive and the focuses were so strong in spite of any private grief I may have about my break up with Armand and the wheres and whys. There was so much other wonderful things happening. There was the activism. I was already becoming aware of recycling at a very young, young age and I might say, I	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	might be a pioneer in that because I was going to the Salvation Army and getting old dresses and old pieces of just cloth and making something quite wonderful out of them to dress myself, my child, and to make wonderful clothes."	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	how to be poor and pretend you're really enlightened, a guide.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	this may come in handy.	[22:50]
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TomServo	New War Tard post finally, if anybody follows.	[22:53]
TomServo	http://wartard.blogspot.com/2014/03/russia-v-nato-ukraine-crimea-and-new.html	[22:53]
ozbot	War Tard: Russia v NATO: Ukraine, Crimea and the new Cold War.	[22:53]
benkay	TomServo: are you wartard?	[22:54]
TomServo	Nope	[22:55]
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ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust nubbins`	[23:07]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=nubbins%60 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 \| Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013	[23:07]
ThickAsThieves	;;rate nubbins` 1 Pleasure doing business, clear terms, fast turnaround, good communication (illustration project)	[23:08]
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nubbins`	;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 patron of the arts	[23:08]
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nubbins`	:D	[23:08]
benkay	WOT in action	[23:13]
benkay	mah niggas	[23:13]
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ThickAsThieves	"The London-based bitcoin news provider (Coindesk) plans to announce on Thursday that it is adding Bitfinex to its price index, which currently includes Bitstamp of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria. Bitfinex is incorporated in Hong Kong."	[23:24]
ThickAsThieves	http://laanwj.github.io/gox_analysis/	[23:25]
ozbot	Mtgox trade data analysis	[23:25]
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ThickAsThieves	US/China/Aus buy, Ruskies sell	[23:25]
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wao-ender	nice	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 220 @ 0.00052955 = 0.1165 BTC [-] {5}	[23:27]
dub	whats the data from?	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4945 @ 0.00051852 = 2.5641 BTC [-] {16}	[23:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8009 @ 0.0005 = 4.0045 BTC [-] {3}	[23:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 486 @ 0.00045857 = 0.2229 BTC [-] {13}	[23:32]
ThickAsThieves	http://nude-yoga.com/gallery/#pplightbox[pp_gal]/11/	[23:33]
ozbot	Naked Yoga Pictures and Nude Yoga Videos	[23:33]
ThickAsThieves	they take btc	[23:33]
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nubbins`	!t h hif	[23:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00040000 / 0.00050966 / 0.00056898 (16635 shares, 8.47819036 BTC), 7D: 0.00040000 / 0.00051735 / 0.00056900 (20677 shares, 10.69731961 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.0004874 / 0.00057500 (77065 shares, 37.56136889 BTC)	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00045 = 0.9 BTC [-]	[23:42]
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KRS1	oh kick ass you can finally see the entire female parts	[23:44]
nubbins`	http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226	[23:44]
nubbins`	btc > western union	[23:44]
KRS1	cant help but wonder if you were in a studio full of womens doing naked yoga would you smell ass and vag	[23:45]
nubbins`	yoga pants aren't smell barriers, so i'd say it'd smell the same way yoga classes do now	[23:48]
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diametric	nubbins`: i mean not that i'm a fan of WU or anything, but that doesn't really mean anything. I can send coins between wallets all day long and have more transaction volume than WU.	[23:53]
diametric	I still think its a good thing there is such transaction volume, even if it doesn't directly translate to bitcoin being exchanged and moved between people and groups.	[23:53]
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