Forum logs for 13 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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nubbins` nod, good point [00:01]
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ThickAsThieves i wonder if there are also less wallets with most of the bitcoin in them now [00:03]
ThickAsThieves that came out weird [00:03]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if fewer addresses hold a high qty of coins [00:04]
ThickAsThieves than, say, 6mos ago [00:04]
nubbins` you'd think big wallets would get broken up over time [00:04]
nubbins` rather than the opposite [00:04]
nubbins` but who knows! [00:04]
ThickAsThieves i would think same [00:06]
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ThickAsThieves merely to not have the attention of "Top 50" lists and the like [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00395 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2} [00:07]
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nubbins` "Cohen was very briefly a member of the Church of Scientology, which he had heard was a 'good place to meet women.'" [00:13]
nubbins` lel [00:13]
wao-ender M [00:15]
wao-ender <3 [00:15]
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nubbins` i tell ya, man [00:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0061 = 0.1098 BTC [+] [00:20]
nubbins` the guy really speaks to me [00:20]
nubbins` http://www.leonardcohen.com/us/music/songs-leonard-cohen/stranger-song [00:20]
ozbot The Stranger Song | The Official Leonard Cohen Site [00:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 847 @ 0.00016177 = 0.137 BTC [+] {9} [00:21]
mircea_popescu KRS1 ass notrly, unless they're dirty sluts. cunt sure. [00:21]
nubbins` better chance of the room smelling like dick from the two dudes who show up [00:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ended up in some zen thing [00:23]
nubbins` way it goes [00:23]
nubbins` got a stack full of cohen vinyl behind me and i'm sitting here humming it to myself [00:23]
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mircea_popescu he's great. [00:24]
nubbins` "And you say ok the bridge or someplace later." [00:24]
nubbins` just fuckin words [00:24]
nubbins` but they send a shiver up my spine every time [00:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093181 = 0.4659 BTC [+] [00:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00399999 = 0.48 BTC [+] [00:32]
ThickAsThieves nubbins` you ever hear PJ Harvey's album, Dry? [00:35]
nubbins` haven't listened to much pj harvey altho i've got a few friends that are really into her [00:35]
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ThickAsThieves you might like the old stuff [00:36]
ThickAsThieves Dry is my favorite by far [00:36]
ThickAsThieves Rid of Me is decent too [00:36]
ThickAsThieves she got too polished after those [00:37]
ThickAsThieves i think I've already recommend Greg MacPherson to you too [00:37]
ThickAsThieves he's Canadian [00:37]
ThickAsThieves again the older stuff is better, newer stuff drifting into being too music driven [00:38]
Duffer1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_PfwVNmckc [00:38]
ozbot Tom Waits - Silent Night & Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis.mpg - YouTube [00:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00081889 = 20.1037 BTC [-] [00:41]
ThickAsThieves and of course I must also recommend David Bazan and Jets to Brazil [00:42]
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ThickAsThieves again, the older the album the better [00:42]
mircea_popescu the older the better huh [00:44]
mircea_popescu what exactly is it in contemporaneity that fucks everything over. [00:44]
nubbins` signal to noise ratio [00:44]
ThickAsThieves i think there are many forces that make this happen [00:44]
nubbins` there's still amazing music being made, it's just harder to find [00:44]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [00:44]
ThickAsThieves usually the earlier albums have had much longer to bake [00:45]
nubbins` well, this too [00:45]
nubbins` there are plenty of old albums that are shit [00:45]
ThickAsThieves more depression and emotion went into them as well [00:45]
nubbins` we just don't remember them ;D [00:45]
ThickAsThieves i do feel depression is a great muse [00:45]
BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy2M_tzB20M [00:46]
ThickAsThieves other stressful emotions too [00:46]
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ThickAsThieves i used to have all this music in me, but then i stopped binge drinking and dating and working for the man [00:47]
Neil ThickAsThieves: regarding # addresses with large coin - it's very stable; I've been tracking it. There is a small downtrend except for the top 500 which has been in uptrend [00:47]
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ThickAsThieves interesting [00:48]
ThickAsThieves while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such [00:48]
mircea_popescu because why ? [00:48]
ThickAsThieves why be a target [00:48]
ThickAsThieves what gain would it have otherwise [00:49]
mircea_popescu dude, you gotta asume your status in the world. [00:49]
ThickAsThieves do i? [00:49]
Neil Lots of outputs of size around what you spend is what you want; what's someone gonna do with a 5K address apart from break it up again? [00:49]
ThickAsThieves am i not? [00:49]
mircea_popescu well whats this "be a target" bs. [00:50]
mircea_popescu a target of what ? public worship ? [00:50]
ThickAsThieves public jealousy [00:50]
Neil mircea_popescu: Does the Romanian govt not bother you? Are they not interested tax-wise in your activities? [00:51]
ThickAsThieves wtf use do i have to be in these people's heads [00:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the reason they're a problem is that their heads are full of shit. [00:51]
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ThickAsThieves and seeing me on a list would affect that? [00:52]
mircea_popescu Neil i have no idea what you're asking. bother me ? why would it bother me. it's my government, it does my laundry. [00:52]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves just discussing the more general point. why should you be in their heads ? because you're cool, and they aren't./ [00:52]
ThickAsThieves it seems the shitheads would rather tear down and be in denial about those above them while observing [00:52]
mircea_popescu so then let them try. [00:53]
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mircea_popescu prepare the batons, beat them bloody. [00:53]
ThickAsThieves or not! [00:53]
mircea_popescu why not ? [00:53]
mircea_popescu whose world is it, yours or theirs ? [00:53]
ThickAsThieves no one's? [00:53]
ThickAsThieves i dont know [00:53]
mircea_popescu it's gotta be someone's. [00:53]
nubbins` nah [00:54]
ThickAsThieves all i know is that anyone that might care how much coin I have, i cared too, i'd show em [00:54]
nubbins` all an illusion [00:54]
ThickAsThieves if i* [00:54]
mircea_popescu well sure [00:54]
ThickAsThieves i dont see you sharing your addresses anyway! [00:55]
mircea_popescu occasionally. [00:55]
ThickAsThieves why not openly? [00:56]
ThickAsThieves spank us with your superiority [00:56]
ThickAsThieves own your world [00:56]
Duffer1 i thought that's what trilema was for [00:56]
ThickAsThieves dont give him an out [00:56]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: You've got to make some openly know, others less openly known. Just in case someone with the means for abduction possesses a soldering iron. [00:56]
Duffer1 :P [00:56]
mircea_popescu lol he really got butthurt. [00:56]
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mircea_popescu what, srsly, does it look to you like i ain't ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu "Odi Kosmatos 2m @bitcoinpete @Mircea_Popescu (previous knee-jerk tweet deleted) Hi Mircea, are you the guy who thinks everyone else is stupid? Appropriate!" [00:57]
ThickAsThieves no just surprised i didnt note the hypocrisy til now [00:57]
mircea_popescu what's so hypocratical about it! [00:57]
ThickAsThieves i think i already pointed out what [00:57]
ThickAsThieves you are not practicing what you are preaching [00:58]
mircea_popescu but i dun see it, i mean what exactly ? mpex has at least one well known inbound address, it shows however many btc [00:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#555879 [00:58]
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ThickAsThieves cmon [00:58]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [00:58]
mircea_popescu what! [00:58]
ThickAsThieves you say why not be on a list of top holders, show the shitheads the world is yours [00:58]
ThickAsThieves well, show us [00:59]
ThickAsThieves if not, why not? [00:59]
mircea_popescu ... [00:59]
Neil mircea_popescu: You mix wallets right? Inbound on bitbet could be outbound on mpex and vice versa. [00:59]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Aren't his MPOE holdings largely public? [00:59]
mircea_popescu Neil notrly. [00:59]
Neil BingoBoingo: MPOE holdings aren't BTC. [00:59]
pizzaman1337 BingoBoingo: but MPOE holdings are only "paper" BTC, not actual btc [00:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.66964413 BTC to 21`469 shares, 7777 satoshi per share [00:59]
ThickAsThieves he makes no concrete statement as to what belongs to what [00:59]
ThickAsThieves an mpex addy could be for the members [01:00]
mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 so that substantially changes anything ? [01:00]
ThickAsThieves no one really knows how many btc mp has or claims to have [01:00]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#msg3449849 [01:00]
ThickAsThieves which was exactly the topic [01:00]
ozbot Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest [01:00]
mircea_popescu there, how bad is that. [01:00]
pizzaman1337 mircea_popescu: yeah, because in practice it can't all be turned into real btc at market rates [01:00]
Neil mircea_popescu: Coz you spent a huge output for the big payout on bitbet; it wasn't an input to anything plausible on bitbet in its history. So bitbet's wallet it definitely being mixed with something else - yours or mpoe's or ... [01:00]
ThickAsThieves that i dont want anyone to know what i have in that context [01:00]
mircea_popescu Neil bitbet had 500+ bets iirc. how much was this ? [01:01]
Neil 1800 [01:01]
ThickAsThieves the context being a list of wallet addresses [01:01]
ThickAsThieves not a forum post of market caps [01:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i think you prolly took an angle of what i said and run off with it. [01:01]
mircea_popescu ran* [01:02]
ThickAsThieves if that;s how you wanna play it [01:02]
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ThickAsThieves i'm not gonna beat a dead horse over it [01:02]
Neil https://blockchain.info/tx/b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777 [01:02]
ThickAsThieves just funny [01:02]
mircea_popescu i wasn't even aware im playin. [01:02]
Neil 1868 from a single addy [01:02]
ozbot Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777 [01:02]
ThickAsThieves it's more fun to me to not know anyway [01:02]
ThickAsThieves knowing doesnt really matter, to me at least [01:03]
mircea_popescu Neil that's just a function of how the payouts on large bets work. [01:03]
ThickAsThieves i believe you have plenty [01:03]
mircea_popescu this was the diff bet no ? [01:03]
Neil mircea_popescu: Meaning what exactly? [01:03]
Neil Doesn't seem to me that came from people betting on bitbet; that's my only point. [01:04]
mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/address/1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN [01:04]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN [01:04]
mircea_popescu that address often disburses payouts. it's like an outbound gateway [01:04]
Neil One of the inputs to that address used for the payout was 4368 BTC; which is like 40% of bitbet volume at that time... [01:06]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves anyway, it wasn't some sort of "omg you're a bad person", it was more of a "why the fuck would you be shy of the world. fuck em." [01:06]
mircea_popescu Neil yeah bitbet got seeded originally, so as to build this situation it enjoys today where it has a large pool. [01:07]
ThickAsThieves i think i came off more defensive than i actually am [01:07]
mircea_popescu mtgox runs on 1/4 of deposits, bitbet runs on 4x. fractional reserve ftw. [01:07]
ThickAsThieves you asked why be shy, i said why, you said yeah but, then i asked well why are you shy? [01:07]
mircea_popescu seems kinda nutty to ask me why i'm shy dunnit ? [01:08]
mircea_popescu because im too over the top as is. [01:08]
ThickAsThieves not sure what that means [01:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00608 = 0.1763 BTC [-] [01:08]
mircea_popescu well it's good enough, i'll use this as a convenient reference to show that at least one person in zee werld thinks im shy. [01:09]
ThickAsThieves i mean i know you do your part to spank the idiots and seize your day [01:09]
ThickAsThieves but that doesnt exactly explain why me not showing addresses is questionable [01:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00607997 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2} [01:10]
ThickAsThieves nor why you dont either [01:10]
mircea_popescu the exact implementation is left as an exercise to the reader [01:10]
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mircea_popescu while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such << this is the line that sparked the discussion [01:11]
ThickAsThieves yes [01:11]
mircea_popescu it's not some sort of technical explanation of address showing. [01:11]
mircea_popescu it's just a general point about being known as such. [01:11]
ThickAsThieves and i further qualified it [01:11]
ThickAsThieves with not wanting to be a target [01:11]
mircea_popescu fuck em. [01:11]
ThickAsThieves sure [01:11]
mircea_popescu no but i mean literally. [01:11]
ThickAsThieves but why arent you fucking them [01:12]
mircea_popescu ... [01:12]
ThickAsThieves with your address [01:12]
ThickAsThieves no matter how we cut it, a reason can be distilled [01:12]
mircea_popescu why am i not fucking them in particular X manner you'd prefer ? because i'm me. [01:12]
mircea_popescu what of it. [01:12]
ThickAsThieves one which you are dancing around [01:12]
ThickAsThieves i'm only asking because i suspect your reasons arent much different than mine [01:12]
ThickAsThieves if at all [01:12]
mircea_popescu like how ? [01:13]
ThickAsThieves like you;'d prefer people not know exactly how much coin you have and what addy you keep it in [01:13]
ThickAsThieves if it's even one [01:13]
mircea_popescu these are reasons ? [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 41 @ 0.041 = 1.681 BTC [+] [01:14]
ThickAsThieves no they are motivations [01:14]
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ThickAsThieves to not share the info [01:14]
ThickAsThieves we're just dancing anyway, i don't see any other way to interpret this [01:16]
pizzaman1337 flirting [01:16]
mircea_popescu weird. wild. [01:17]
ThickAsThieves whether i am perfectly articulating my case, or presenting it in the exact way to get a straight answer, you do know what I am saying [01:17]
mircea_popescu nowai. srsly ? [01:17]
ThickAsThieves if i am remotely accurate in my estimation of your intelligence, yes [01:18]
ThickAsThieves i guess it does usually take a lot of kicking and screaming on the occassions you do give in though... so maybe i'm wring [01:19]
ThickAsThieves wrong* [01:19]
mircea_popescu tbh what i perceive is the matter here is that you live in an environment where poor black dudes stare you down as a daily routine, and i just said "da fuck is this, you stare THEM down mothefucker! they're poor, not you" which created a little disonance [01:19]
ThickAsThieves :/ [01:20]
mdwu what is the difference between a poor and rich person besides their net worth? [01:20]
ThickAsThieves even if that's what it boiled down to [01:20]
ThickAsThieves the reason the conversation continued, [01:21]
mircea_popescu mdwu that the poor person likely sucks. [01:21]
ThickAsThieves is searching for why your reasons for hiding are different [01:21]
mircea_popescu that hiding'd be entirely of your projection. [01:21]
ThickAsThieves then why is it you do not display your coins [01:22]
ThickAsThieves this is not a projection on my part [01:22]
ThickAsThieves it's what I observe [01:22]
mircea_popescu but to some degree i do. [01:22]
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pizzaman1337 this is just a striptease to see MP's bitcoin dick. We can't be impressed without a little build-up. [01:23]
ThickAsThieves maybe i'm just ignorant and everyone knows your addies but me, and youre just fucking with me [01:23]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know the mpex addy, neh ? [01:23]
mircea_popescu i just made a comment re the bitbet addies, you can tally those up, they're published [01:23]
ThickAsThieves ive dug up some in the past [01:23]
mircea_popescu its in the faq innit ? [01:24]
ThickAsThieves i dont believe there is a known addy that is definitively your coins [01:24]
ThickAsThieves just company ones [01:24]
ThickAsThieves which i assume also represent user funds [01:24]
asciilifeform what useful thing could one hope to achieve by dropping pants and publicly displaying bitcock? [01:24]
ThickAsThieves this was my initial question as well [01:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the usual purpose one obtains doing that lol. [01:25]
mircea_popescu fucking something or the other [01:25]
asciilifeform seems like a proposition that's purely lose-lose, like sticking hand in a bear trap. [01:25]
ThickAsThieves the answer i got was essentially to put idiots in their place [01:25]
asciilifeform you might do it to demonstrate an indestructible robotic prosthesis, but otherwise it's pointless [01:25]
mircea_popescu we weren't actually discussing that, i dun think. [01:26]
mircea_popescu somehow the entire show me your cock thing got shoehorn into a slightly different discusison [01:26]
mircea_popescu for w/e reason. [01:26]
ThickAsThieves like i said before, youve got a reason for not publishing your personal wealth, if you dont want to say the reason, that's fine [01:26]
ThickAsThieves but just say that [01:26]
* asciilifeform goes back to tweaking PLL clock on cardano [01:26]
ThickAsThieves dont make it like you are and arent at the same time [01:27]
mircea_popescu going back to the forum link in question... it's reasonably published [01:27]
mdwu MP: will you turn mpex options back on at some point? or is it gone for good? [01:28]
mircea_popescu mdwu once there's a usable, meaningful spot yeah [01:28]
mdwu did you turn it off because it was too much hassle to hedge the big short order last money? [01:29]
* ThickAsThieves gives up. [01:29]
mircea_popescu didja read the feb report ? [01:29]
mdwu last month* [01:29]
mdwu yeah [01:29]
Duffer1 so.. i'm on the phone with Lilliput now should i cancel the gang or not? [01:29]
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mircea_popescu mdwu well that's about all that's been said on the topic. [01:29]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 is that like the island next to blehFU ? [01:30]
Duffer1 yea [01:30]
Duffer1 perhaps a bit too obscure to be funny :P [01:31]
mircea_popescu what was Apocalyptic's exchange, bt-x ? [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00082029 = 11.5661 BTC [+] [01:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: x-bt.com [01:34]
mircea_popescu http://bt-c.com/ [01:34]
ozbot BT Company [01:34]
mircea_popescu check out the lamborghini textiles [01:34]
asciilifeform s/lamb/trabamb [01:35]
mircea_popescu ironically these may be the genuine article. [01:36]
mircea_popescu ie, actual lohn provider with a dumbass website. [01:36]
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bitcoinpete "Exotic dancers are flocking here from as far away as Russia for the same reason as everyone else - to make their fortune in a place known as Kuwait on the Prairie." [01:54]
bitcoinpete http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25983917 [01:55]
ozbot BBC News - North Dakota oil boom: American Dream on ice [01:55]
bitcoinpete "Strippers can earn $2,500 (£1,500) per shift here, says a bouncer." [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15870 @ 0.00081992 = 13.0121 BTC [-] {2} [01:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00012875 = 0.209 BTC [-] {9} [01:58]
mircea_popescu strippers can earn a coupla k's per shift anywhere, wtf. [02:00]
Diablo-D3 yeah thats like [02:03]
Diablo-D3 half what a good stripper can do in nyc [02:03]
Diablo-D3 a third what a good stripper in LA can do [02:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0039 = 0.2145 BTC [-] {3} [02:04]
bitcoinpete The difference: competition [02:04]
Diablo-D3 yeah, theres way more of it in nyc and la [02:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.093181 = 0.3727 BTC [+] [02:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0062381 = 0.1185 BTC [-] [02:08]
nubbins` twist: mp has no personal wealth and pays his harem w/ mpoe stock [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00081889 = 16.0093 BTC [-] [02:13]
nubbins` ^ that was one of 'em buying some shoes [02:13]
benkay nice shoes. [02:13]
nubbins` well more than one pair obv [02:14]
nubbins` save on shipping, y'know? [02:14]
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herbijudlestoids hullo [02:16]
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herbijudlestoids just dropped in to make sure youre all behaving :) [02:16]
nubbins` barely [02:16]
ThickAsThieves as best we can [02:16]
ThickAsThieves nubbins` mp lost all the coinz on gox i guess [02:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00081803 = 17.5876 BTC [-] {2} [02:17]
nubbins` lel [02:17]
mircea_popescu 16 btc gets you some cool shoes [02:18]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids how goes ? [02:18]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/12/oklahoma-fox-station-removes-evolution-from-cosmos-by-cutting-only-15-seconds/ [02:18]
ozbot Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from ‘Cosmos’ by cutting only 15 seconds | The Raw Sto [02:18]
asciilifeform ;;ticker --ask --currency USD [02:20]
gribble 633.99 [02:20]
asciilifeform ;;calc 633.99 * 16.0093 [02:21]
gribble 10149.736107 [02:21]
asciilifeform ;;calc 10149.736107 / 6.53 [02:22]
gribble 1554.32405926 [02:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [+] [02:23]
asciilifeform ;;calc 10149.736107 / 682.24 [02:23]
gribble 14.8770756728 [02:23]
asciilifeform ok, enough for a silver toilet. [02:24]
ThickAsThieves http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Christian-Louboutin-Snakilta-Spiked-Red-Sole-Ankle-Boot-Black-Matte-Shoes/prod162100114_cat39620738__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.jsp%253FitemId%253Dcat39620738%2526pageSize%253D30%2526No%253D0%2526refinements%253D&eItemId=prod162100114&cmCat=product [02:24]
ozbot Request Rejected [02:24]
asciilifeform or a public room full of copper ones... [02:24]
mircea_popescu lolwut [02:24]
nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/208sss/say_hello_to_2014_bitcointalk_i_created/ [02:24]
ozbot Say Hello to 2014, Bitcointalk. I created Bitcointa.lk, a real alternative to Bitcointalk.org. 5 mil [02:24]
nubbins` smh [02:24]
ThickAsThieves jpcham made it i think [02:24]
nubbins` not sure why [02:24]
ThickAsThieves me either [02:24]
nubbins` heh. [02:25]
nubbins` well then! [02:25]
ThickAsThieves i think he wanted to solve the content problem [02:25]
ThickAsThieves by copying all of it [02:25]
ThickAsThieves but feels almost more hollow for it [02:25]
nubbins` maybe he can add content from goat's private forum too [02:25]
cazalla default xenforo.. impressive [02:26]
* nubbins` nods [02:27]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/4s70vPm.jpg [02:29]
benkay lawlz [02:29]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: yea good thx. big business coming in now [02:29]
mircea_popescu cool./ [02:30]
benkay jcpham mirror the goatforum too [02:30]
herbijudlestoids about to deploy a very very very large IaaS cloud [02:30]
herbijudlestoids how about yall [02:30]
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nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4odIPqfh6I [02:33]
ozbot Big Business - 'Here Come The Waterworks' (Full Album HD) - YouTube [02:33]
nubbins` two of these guys are in the melvins [02:33]
nubbins` don't bother clicking ;( [02:33]
herbijudlestoids i cant wait to be rich, so i can finally get a seat on mpex [02:33]
nubbins` heh [02:34]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/gitagovinda/statuses/443741163682418688 [02:34]
ozbot Twitter / gitagovinda: .@coreypein wants to post this ... [02:34]
mircea_popescu wont be long nao [02:34]
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BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: Have you considered getting back into ATC trading? [02:34]
nubbins` hahah [02:35]
nubbins` bingo, :0 [02:35]
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BingoBoingo Spread's gotten closer https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc [02:35]
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herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: no time for such shenanigans [02:36]
nubbins` "The Brighton-based Argus took a question from a reader obsessed with the fragile truce between man and caprine, and somehow misattributed it to Richard Robinson, the director of the Brighton Science Festival." [02:36]
herbijudlestoids i have been busy busy [02:36]
nubbins` Robinson's comment on the mixup: [02:36]
nubbins` "I'm afraid I cannot address your problem. I have much more important things to think about just now: sea urchins, hordes of them, with their evil poisoned spines, there in the sea, just out of view, waiting… waiting…" [02:36]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: If there isn't time for shennanigans, there isn't time at all [02:36]
herbijudlestoids there isnt time lol! [02:36]
herbijudlestoids flat chat [02:36]
herbijudlestoids but i missed you guys :D [02:36]
BingoBoingo When I have my uranium mines I will fill them with the shennanigan-less [02:37]
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nubbins` was in a band once called Goat, the Provider [02:37]
BingoBoingo If uranium is even what I have mined. Maybe I'll just have lead mines or something [02:37]
Diablo-D3 I want a hot woman mine [02:38]
nubbins` if you lead, i'll follow [02:38]
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herbijudlestoids anyway, i need to get some breakfast in me and crack on with my worx. [02:38]
herbijudlestoids be good, hopefully see yas soon :) [02:38]
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nubbins` getting some nice submissions for our next zine [02:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3427 @ 0.003716 = 12.7347 BTC [-] {30} [02:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16074 @ 0.00317261 = 50.9965 BTC [-] {62} [02:56]
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mircea_popescu o look at that, under par [03:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59001003 BTC [+] [03:11]
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bitcoinpete tiger? [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00299999 = 9 BTC [-] {2} [03:17]
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nubbins` 19btc ask wall at par [03:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003 = 3.6 BTC [+] [03:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] [03:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1188 @ 0.003 = 3.564 BTC [+] {2} [03:19]
nubbins` coin funds finally released from escrow [03:19]
* nubbins` claps [03:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081512 = 13.7755 BTC [-] {2} [03:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4200 @ 0.003 = 12.6 BTC [+] [03:20]
bitcoinpete S.MPOE seems to be all over the place of late. [03:20]
bitcoinpete Is it always this volatile? [03:20]
mircea_popescu was a lot more tepid prior to feb statement. [03:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.003 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2} [03:21]
bitcoinpete mmm still, a hell of a wallet service [03:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+] [03:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 222 @ 0.003 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2} [03:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+] [03:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.0008158 = 39.1992 BTC [+] {2} [03:26]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rachel-canning-u-s-student-who-sued-parents-for-support-returns-home-1.2570514 [03:27]
ozbot Rachel Canning, U.S. student who sued parents for support, returns home - World - CBC News [03:27]
nubbins` my sides [03:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58487999 = 2.9244 BTC [-] {5} [03:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.005911 = 0.6384 BTC [-] {2} [03:44]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/ [03:44]
ozbot On Making Bitcoin Accessible. Or Not. | When Bitcoin Met Pete [03:44]
bitcoinpete Newest blog post [03:45]
bitcoinpete Anchored by Buffet's 1983 letter to shareholders [03:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.00623006 = 0.5794 BTC [-] {4} [03:49]
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mircea_popescu not a bad anchor [03:56]
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thestringpuller ls [04:14]
thestringpuller oops [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17309 @ 0.00081611 = 14.126 BTC [+] [04:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60886534 = 3.0443 BTC [+] {5} [04:32]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way. [12:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:49]
mircea_popescu also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire. [12:51]
mircea_popescu that's not how it's done. [12:51]
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mircea_popescu "2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store." [13:07]
mircea_popescu lol. [13:07]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo clearly loves baseball :D [13:15]
mircea_popescu "great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up. [13:15]
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mircea_popescu if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished... [13:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2} [13:31]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable. [13:35]
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BingoBoingo Well, least betable if you discount football/soccer because that shit ends in a draw way too often [13:37]
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MisterE_ http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1 [13:51]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ? [13:59]
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VanCleef hi, whats a good investment? my daughter really needs this operation [15:25]
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jurov VanCleef: bitcoin, half a year ago? [15:29]
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bitcoinpete ;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback! [15:55]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:55]
mircea_popescu yee. [15:55]
Neil mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet? [15:55]
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mircea_popescu well, to split your q up in answerable bits, [15:56]
mircea_popescu i'm a reputed workaholic (also see http://trilema.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/#footnote_2_51568 ) [15:57]
mircea_popescu also exact arrangements have never really been disclosed, so nobody actually knows. [15:57]
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Neil I see, curious why you're waiting for someone to disclose so that you know. [15:58]
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Neil You robot or sthg? [15:58]
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mircea_popescu lol [15:59]
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Neil In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk. [16:01]
ThickAsThieves dont forget coinbr exists [16:02]
Neil I've had enough of 3rd parties [16:02]
mircea_popescu you can just use a broker. [16:02]
mircea_popescu or w/e, be a broker [16:02]
ThickAsThieves not all 3rd parties are created equally [16:02]
Neil Good incentive to get off my ass and do something useful myself I guess. [16:03]
mircea_popescu Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way. [16:03]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is not about serving a consumer market. [16:03]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is about encouraging people to create. [16:04]
Neil Is JTD an understood acronym? Just curious if it's a product of my history [16:04]
mircea_popescu which is why we don't want more "adoption". we want more actual penetration. get off your ass do something, cause it ain't gonna do itself. [16:04]
mircea_popescu jump to default ? [16:04]
Neil Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more [16:05]
Neil mp: well done [16:05]
mircea_popescu i didn't dop anything lol [16:05]
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mircea_popescu anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context. [16:05]
Neil Actually 2% is also low; probably 3-4% is better. [16:05]
Neil mp: plz elaborate [16:06]
mircea_popescu well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/ [16:06]
Neil impressed by the speed at random linking [16:06]
mircea_popescu but anyway, it's something like this : romania emergend in 1989 incredibly poor, [16:07]
mircea_popescu with about twenty million people who not only owned nothing at all (literally, a pair of jeans would get you unlimited bjs cca 1988) [16:07]
mircea_popescu but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively. [16:07]
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mircea_popescu because 50 years under a state directed economy destroys entrepreneurship, something romanians never were very good at anyway [16:07]
mircea_popescu (which is a very lengthy discussion also found on my blog, but really not too interesting here, as to why) [16:08]
mircea_popescu so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything. [16:08]
mircea_popescu i mean think about it, a country that suddenly needs everything. everything! [16:08]
Neil Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it. [16:08]
mircea_popescu imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it [16:08]
mircea_popescu could you easily make a living for yourself in such an environment ? surely. [16:09]
mircea_popescu people need food and plumbing and fguckin shoes and everything. [16:09]
mircea_popescu but that's you. [16:09]
mircea_popescu the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all. [16:09]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that. [16:10]
mircea_popescu this yielded two direct results : on one hand, everyone got his house. [16:10]
blackwhite morning gents [16:10]
mircea_popescu the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing. [16:10]
Neil It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious? [16:10]
mircea_popescu new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer. [16:11]
Neil They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else [16:11]
mircea_popescu on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders". [16:11]
mircea_popescu so, 20 mn coupons were printed, and distributed to each individual. [16:11]
mircea_popescu all the companies the state owned allowed the subscription of thes coupons [16:11]
mircea_popescu then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated : [16:12]
nubbins` email?! [16:12]
mircea_popescu if a company got 10 coupons, every one guy got 10% of it. [16:12]
nubbins` o. [16:12]
mircea_popescu if a company got 10mn coupons, each person got 0.0001% etc. [16:12]
mircea_popescu so suddenly, a bunch of romanians without a clue were real estate and industrial capital owners. [16:12]
mircea_popescu what happened ? [16:12]
Neil the fittest survived? the rest got eaten. [16:13]
mircea_popescu ;;google caritas ponzo [16:13]
gribble Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: ; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report: [16:13]
mircea_popescu "Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point." [16:13]
mircea_popescu this is a story of idiocy and unbridled enthusiasm, and of how very stupid people fail to fall in step with economic structure. [16:14]
mircea_popescu while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people. [16:15]
mircea_popescu moreover, the sort of mistake they made, we're not immune from. [16:15]
mircea_popescu which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort" [16:15]
Neil mp: I'm curious - how much of your current beliefs are your own, and how much from your parents / schooling etc. [16:16]
mircea_popescu in general, ventures made and wholly operated by people who are unable to act economically (which means, collaboratively) are doomed. [16:16]
mircea_popescu a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal. [16:16]
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mircea_popescu Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine. [16:17]
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Neil OK, so what led you down your path? [16:18]
mircea_popescu what led me ?! [16:18]
mircea_popescu nothing leads me dood, i lead it. [16:18]
Neil cmon my meaning is clear [16:18]
mircea_popescu maybe to you. [16:18]
Neil What life experiences changed your thinking from what your were taught to believe to what you actually believe [16:19]
mircea_popescu uh. [16:19]
jurov Neil, I was profoundly discontent with what i was told [16:19]
mircea_popescu what, you actually think that's how it works ? [16:19]
jurov and just had to find out on my own [16:19]
jurov it's not complicated [16:19]
Neil mp: don't understand how your qn relates [16:20]
mircea_popescu Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences. [16:20]
mircea_popescu if it were, education'd be trivial. [16:20]
mircea_popescu just put them in a well designed educatron/gauntlet and let them be [16:21]
TomServo mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there. [16:21]
nubbins` controllable, no [16:22]
mircea_popescu TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge. [16:22]
nubbins` influenced by, sure, if you let it [16:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well what's that do. [16:22]
TomServo You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF [16:22]
mircea_popescu sure, it works to a large degree, i can educate my slaves on a very similar process. [16:23]
TomServo specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United [16:23]
TomServo States.” [16:23]
mircea_popescu but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first. [16:23]
Neil jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right [16:23]
Neil context to think about it. [16:23]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:23]
nubbins` fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive [16:23]
nubbins` but being receptive? well, that's your job [16:23]
mircea_popescu TomServo yeah. it kinda was. [16:23]
TomServo also: And the dynamism [16:24]
TomServo embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead. [16:24]
Neil mp: I don't understand your point. Deeply held beliefs that are not handed down to you must have been formed by life experiences, I suspect. [16:24]
mircea_popescu Neil money is a transcendent you know. [16:24]
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mircea_popescu there's a three part bit on trilema about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important. [16:24]
mircea_popescu Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story. [16:24]
mircea_popescu TomServo perhaps he's senile. or perhaps he has a point. [16:25]
mircea_popescu i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care. [16:25]
nubbins` scary place [16:25]
nubbins` everyone bought into the hype and now assumes the hype will carry them through [16:26]
mircea_popescu see the thing is : there are indeed some hard working us folk. [16:26]
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mircea_popescu they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly [16:27]
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mircea_popescu each a little emperor on his little lump of coal [16:27]
mircea_popescu that's at least two decades of unlimited economic collapse [16:27]
Neil So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English). [16:27]
mircea_popescu by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life. [16:27]
mircea_popescu so the whole thing can go africa quite easily. [16:27]
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ughlol Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors! [16:28]
mircea_popescu ughlol sure, lurk for half year or so. [16:28]
Neil Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think. [16:28]
ughlol Half year? Im sorry, I don't understand. [16:29]
Apocalyptic "Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true [16:29]
jurov ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises? [16:29]
Neil Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system. [16:29]
ughlol jurov: no I havent. Can you please link me? [16:30]
mircea_popescu ughlol see either http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ or http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ depending on which level you're working on [16:30]
mircea_popescu which i don't know because you just dropped here and started talking randomly. [16:30]
Neil Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off. [16:30]
ughlol thanks mircea_popescu [16:31]
mircea_popescu Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism. [16:31]
jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 i meant this, but above applies too [16:31]
ozbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? [16:31]
Neil But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper. [16:31]
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ughlol not a bitcoin business [16:31]
mircea_popescu bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power. [16:31]
ughlol But a social network. Im looking for investment. [16:31]
mircea_popescu i know of no previous instance of a mechanism working so efficiently in all human technical history. [16:31]
jurov ughlol: as soon as you want bitcoin investment, it *is* one [16:31]
ughlol oh, I see. [16:32]
ughlol ok [16:32]
ughlol WOT account as in World of Tanks account? :/ [16:32]
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jurov ;;gettrust ughlol [16:33]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol | Rated since: never [16:33]
jurov ^ no, this one [16:33]
ughlol Oh i see. [16:33]
ughlol Im on localbitcoins.com [16:33]
ughlol I have quite some good rep there. [16:33]
mircea_popescu how the shit was that app facebook bought called ? [16:33]
mircea_popescu i can't even remember it ;/ [16:33]
nubbins` whats app? [16:33]
mircea_popescu a ty [16:33]
nubbins` i had an app that let you send sms messages via email [16:34]
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nubbins` stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;( [16:34]
ughlol And if you're worried about who i am, and if im a fraud, I'll give you my real name, and you can google me! :) [16:34]
nubbins` well. "stole" is a bit much [16:34]
Neil mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy [16:34]
Neil a beer. [16:34]
mircea_popescu but... stability. [16:34]
nubbins` ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places [16:34]
mircea_popescu a self adjusting mechanism that turns maxint variation into [.5,1.5] ? [16:35]
ughlol Oh, I see. [16:35]
mircea_popescu that's something. [16:35]
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ughlol And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing? [16:35]
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Neil maxint variation? difficulty is bound by [0.25,4] factor per adjustment. [16:36]
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Neil perhaps I misunderstand [16:36]
Neil The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature. [16:37]
ughlol wow [16:37]
ughlol mircea_popescu: you wrote one scary-ass post [16:37]
mircea_popescu yw [16:37]
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mircea_popescu ughlol well ideally you want to be known. you're not currently known. how you resolve this problem is entirely up to you, but sure, wot helps a lot. [16:38]
ughlol Im not known here [16:38]
ughlol but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit [16:38]
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mircea_popescu yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ? [16:41]
mircea_popescu so you'll have to somehow bridge these. [16:41]
ughlol I agree. [16:41]
ughlol But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to. [16:42]
ughlol And I understand that, I've seen many fraudsters as well. [16:42]
jurov just lurk and you'll certainly find out something to offer and gain rep [16:42]
jurov wot is not meant for -otc trading only [16:44]
ughlol oh [16:44]
ughlol i see [16:44]
chetty sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here [16:44]
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ughlol Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :) [16:45]
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Neil ThickAsThieves: b.t.w. with you on your discussion of 16hrs ago that I had to abandon for work [16:46]
mircea_popescu ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea". [16:46]
ughlol of course there is [16:47]
ughlol imho [16:50]
ughlol nobody trusts in individuals with ideas anymore [16:50]
ughlol and that sucks [16:51]
ughlol :( [16:52]
ughlol Looks like I'll never get investment for anything [16:52]
ughlol Have to do a stupid engineering degree and get a stupid job. [16:52]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/google-exploring-the-botomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/ [16:55]
ozbot Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce [16:55]
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mircea_popescu ughlol well a constructive approach is always more indicated. [16:55]
ughlol mircea_popescu: is that for me? [16:55]
mircea_popescu nah. [16:55]
mircea_popescu i jhust finished it. [16:55]
ughlol mircea_popescu: constructive approach how? [16:55]
mircea_popescu as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well. [16:56]
mircea_popescu finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station. [16:56]
ughlol I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype. [16:56]
mircea_popescu try understanding this part : nobody cares. [16:57]
ughlol Yeah [16:57]
mircea_popescu the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive. [16:57]
ughlol I agree :( [16:58]
ughlol and thats just so sad [16:58]
mircea_popescu why is it sad ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu i happen to think it's great. [16:58]
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ughlol Its sad for people that want to do something but cant [16:58]
mircea_popescu fuck them ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu tell me, do you like girls ? [16:58]
ughlol Im one of them! :) [16:58]
ughlol Yes, I do [16:58]
ughlol lol [16:59]
mircea_popescu okay. do you like girls generally or do you like pretty girls ? [16:59]
ughlol I like pretty girls.. [16:59]
mircea_popescu me too. [16:59]
ughlol haha [16:59]
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mircea_popescu so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over. [16:59]
mircea_popescu we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked). [16:59]
ughlol Omg. You're right. [16:59]
mircea_popescu which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls, [17:00]
mircea_popescu except nobody gives a shit what ugly girls think on any topic. [17:00]
ughlol Thats true. [17:00]
ughlol :O [17:00]
ughlol OMG [17:00]
mircea_popescu so then there you go. same applies. [17:00]
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ughlol That makes so much sense. [17:00]
mircea_popescu yeah, it makes so much sense, because you told me you're from india and i knew how to construct it. [17:01]
mircea_popescu if i didn't know that it'd have never made sense. [17:02]
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mircea_popescu which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense [17:02]
mircea_popescu which is why there's no such thing as "an idea". [17:02]
ughlol Yeah, you're right.. [17:02]
mircea_popescu (ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance) [17:02]
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ughlol hmm [17:03]
ughlol I wish I was born elsewhere [17:03]
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ughlol the economy in India sucks so bad [17:03]
ughlol and Indian investors dont give a shit about anybody :( [17:03]
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ughlol thanks for enlightening me mircea_popescu [17:05]
ughlol Honestly, I first thought you were some random guy full of ego and trolling me [17:05]
ughlol Im sorry about that. [17:05]
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ThickAsThieves But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place [17:11]
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ughlol yeah :( [17:12]
ughlol I have 0 luck [17:12]
ughlol and was born into the wrong damn community of misers [17:12]
ughlol lol [17:12]
ughlol but thats just my problem [17:12]
ughlol sorry to disturb you all [17:13]
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ThickAsThieves well it's okay [17:14]
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ughlol :) [17:15]
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ThickAsThieves mp your google article seems to make my Search Party "idea" seem that much better [17:18]
ThickAsThieves essentially by outlawing guns, google made it so only outlaws have guns [17:18]
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ThickAsThieves (SEO penetration) [17:18]
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ThickAsThieves for reference: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#466597 [17:20]
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ThickAsThieves relevant to yesterday's Top 500 conversation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/ [17:23]
ThickAsThieves youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;) [17:23]
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ThickAsThieves well fuck me, Deprived is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5677176#msg5677176 [17:29]
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dexX7 haha well, not much explaination [17:33]
dexX7 was he in the us? [17:33]
imsaguy Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra. [17:33]
dexX7 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Phoneutria_nigriventer.jpg rly? [17:34]
mircea_popescu ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one. [17:36]
dexX7 i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation [17:37]
ThickAsThieves well, ask Deprived, we surely don't know [17:38]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check cashing service [17:39]
mircea_popescu only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve [17:39]
dexX7 neat http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/2014-03-13-public-demo-trezor-status [17:39]
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ThickAsThieves all i'm asking for is 20 minutes with Brin, and a fat check [17:40]
mircea_popescu imsaguy i knew that, actually. [17:40]
nubbins` nothing gets me hard like lethal poison [17:41]
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nubbins` priapism FTW [17:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves now how the fuck did that end up there http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/cg1mo8a [17:41]
mircea_popescu whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?! [17:42]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:42]
mircea_popescu "If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)." [17:43]
asciilifeform the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite. [17:43]
mircea_popescu interesting approach. [17:43]
mircea_popescu i could trivially have any of my counsel write me infinity bills and bleed him dry. [17:43]
mircea_popescu i wonder wtf people be thinking. [17:43]
dexX7 i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff [17:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls. [17:44]
mircea_popescu dexX7 yeah. and most people are too naive to be involved with tools as powerful as btc. [17:44]
mircea_popescu either one. [17:44]
dexX7 ^_^ [17:44]
ThickAsThieves i think Deprived is just claling bullshit on anyone actually seeking counsel and confident everyone is too lazy to get back-invoices [17:45]
ThickAsThieves technically he did exactly what he said he would [17:45]
ThickAsThieves not communicate until he had news [17:45]
asciilifeform dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff << 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.' [17:46]
ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/2014/03/13/j-p-morgan-customers-tweet-complaints-about-anti-money-laundering-policy/ [17:47]
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ozbot J.P. Morgan Depositors Tweet Complaints About Anti-Money Laundering Policy - Risk & Compliance - W [17:47]
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dexX7 well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious [17:49]
nubbins` showed pascale nude-yoga.com [17:52]
dexX7 asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress [17:52]
nubbins` she was mightily impressed [17:52]
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ThickAsThieves well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived... [18:02]
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ThickAsThieves this is all contributing to my spider sense beginning to tingle yesterday [18:07]
dexX7 kate already "came back" a few days ago [18:08]
ThickAsThieves expect notable btc/usd price movement in 3-5 days! [18:08]
dexX7 or 2-3 weeks, not sure anymore [18:08]
ThickAsThieves well now she's actually posting [18:08]
ThickAsThieves surprised all it took was threats [18:08]
Apocalyptic on litecointalk ? [18:08]
ThickAsThieves yeah [18:08]
ThickAsThieves and now on btctalk [18:08]
dexX7 "we can't pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well [18:09]
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ThickAsThieves in case you didnt figure it, BondHolder is me [18:10]
dexX7 good job then [18:10]
ThickAsThieves i got caught with pants down trying to trade that shit [18:10]
ThickAsThieves when BTCT closed [18:10]
dexX7 how much does b1 earn per week in btc per share? [18:10]
ThickAsThieves it [18:10]
ThickAsThieves 's based on USD [18:10]
ThickAsThieves so not much [18:11]
dexX7 or it was 0.34 usd or so, right? [18:11]
ThickAsThieves i dont even track it honestly [18:11]
ThickAsThieves i'd be happy just to redeem them [18:11]
ThickAsThieves never intended to hold them [18:11]
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dexX7 i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right [18:12]
ThickAsThieves i shoulda listened to myself [18:12]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:12]
ThickAsThieves just the buying pressure was strong [18:13]
ThickAsThieves of course you probly more mean the PT [18:13]
ThickAsThieves than the bond [18:13]
dexX7 yup [18:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07459999 = 1.865 BTC [+] {4} [18:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.93320684 BTC to 3`708 shares, 537573 satoshi per share [18:14]
ThickAsThieves the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious [18:14]
ThickAsThieves thats why i offered to pay to round it up [18:15]
ThickAsThieves probably not even $1 expense to solve [18:15]
dexX7 the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd [18:16]
ThickAsThieves she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08733334 = 0.524 BTC [-] {3} [18:16]
ThickAsThieves this is nonsense [18:16]
ThickAsThieves AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders [18:17]
ThickAsThieves and i processed tons of shit by hand to render those people whole [18:17]
ThickAsThieves i recall it being far less than 1000 holders [18:17]
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dexX7 yea [18:17]
ThickAsThieves but i'd have to look it up [18:18]
dexX7 "For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds" [18:19]
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ThickAsThieves and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people [18:20]
ThickAsThieves me, Deprived, Kate (surely) [18:20]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves kate has been "back" for weeks [18:21]
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mircea_popescu Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ? [18:22]
asciilifeform http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-throws-self-in-front-of-train-in-finance-worlds-latest-suicide/ [18:22]
ozbot Trader kills self in finance world’s latest suicide | New York Post [18:22]
ThickAsThieves are finance deaths always this common and merely now more publicized? [18:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the "nazis are losing the war" joke ? [18:22]
asciilifeform ? [18:22]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the profession has one of the largest suicide rates. [18:23]
ThickAsThieves i assume, but larger lately? [18:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead [18:23]
mircea_popescu one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore" [18:23]
asciilifeform aha [18:23]
mircea_popescu apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply [18:23]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well that i have no idea. [18:24]
ThickAsThieves i dont count one bullshit statement as being "back" [18:24]
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ThickAsThieves you'r eback when you tcb [18:25]
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mircea_popescu well in that case neither are back [18:25]
ThickAsThieves now she has 3mos padding [18:25]
ThickAsThieves bleh [18:25]
mircea_popescu i remember back before xmas when we were mocking her cuntdown [18:26]
mircea_popescu apparently it got overrun a little / [18:26]
ThickAsThieves just a lil [18:26]
mircea_popescu and speaking of tcb [18:26]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/a63a1a0b736ae648248af1671b51023c/tumblr_muqjsa8HXc1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg [18:26]
ThickAsThieves i had someone from CT soliciting me to list a PT this week [18:27]
ThickAsThieves after speaking, he was like well shit, this really is toxic huh [18:27]
ThickAsThieves dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though [18:28]
mircea_popescu the madness shan't be stopped. [18:28]
mircea_popescu we just wanna fish bits from the river. [18:28]
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benkay i'm having police state nightmares and i haven't even done anything [18:30]
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benkay i blame you guys in general, and mp in particular. [18:30]
mircea_popescu http://www.siapress.ru/news/society/30512 [18:31]
mircea_popescu o look, they're moving in [18:31]
mircea_popescu benkay what did i do! [18:31]
mircea_popescu Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D [18:32]
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benkay you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism. [18:34]
mircea_popescu what, we're gonna win. [18:34]
benkay well OBviously [18:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04191666 = 0.6287 BTC [+] {4} [18:36]
ThickAsThieves http://www.voice-online.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/455/lead-racist_soap.jpg [18:36]
rbones . [18:36]
mircea_popescu "Top Of Mind scraped Bottom Of Barrel interviewing curmudgeon, Luddite, ignoramus, Statist and low brow unthinker Ken Hess. RLOL!" [18:36]
mircea_popescu ok which one of you guise is this ? [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 96 @ 0.0421 = 4.0416 BTC [+] {3} [18:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217999 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {2} [18:38]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department [18:38]
mircea_popescu apparently, working more is bad for you. [18:38]
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benkay what's the counter-thesis? [18:39]
mircea_popescu that uncorrelated variables are uncorrelated [18:40]
asciilifeform u.s. steel production vs. salmonella incidence in france. log-log plot. [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.11950724 = 5.6168 BTC [-] [18:41]
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chetty http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2041-deluded-currency-cultists-believe-the-dollar-is-invincible [18:41]
ozbot Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible [18:41]
dexX7 cm.b1 backup: http://archive.is/XZ9PC [18:41]
mircea_popescu dexX7 so basically what was it, a combo btc principal + fiat coupon deal ? [18:43]
ThickAsThieves word [18:43]
ThickAsThieves like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate [18:44]
ThickAsThieves so mostly downside on divs [18:44]
ThickAsThieves but still positive [18:44]
mircea_popescu but wait i don't understand. work me through this will you ? [18:44]
ThickAsThieves assuming redemption is possible [18:44]
mircea_popescu so i buy 100 btc worth of bonds, when btc is 100 usd. [18:44]
mircea_popescu on first coupon due date, btc is 200 usd. [18:44]
mircea_popescu how much is my coupon ? [18:45]
ThickAsThieves An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week. [18:45]
mircea_popescu so i get 0.0038*100 btc * 100usd/200usd ? [18:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00575 = 0.299 BTC [-] [18:46]
mircea_popescu "After 12 months, each bond may be redeemed at any time by bondholder for 0.01 BTC." seems it was a proper bond. [18:46]
ThickAsThieves i believe so [18:46]
ThickAsThieves i honest;y never checked the divs [18:46]
mircea_popescu ok so basically it's a "get no interest and wait for a year to hear which excuse i pick up for not redeeming" ? [18:46]
ThickAsThieves well, get rapidly dwindling interest [18:47]
mircea_popescu reference being 85dollars/btc... [18:47]
mircea_popescu myeah. [18:47]
ThickAsThieves if btc had gone down it wouldve given more [18:47]
ThickAsThieves only reason i paid attention was as a trader [18:47]
mircea_popescu yeah, right, because random dragon-in-human-skin mental patient is very likely to efficiently conserve value. [18:47]
mircea_popescu it'd have paid more in what, hormones ? [18:47]
ThickAsThieves and i got what i deserved in that regard [18:48]
ThickAsThieves btct closed, kate got married [18:48]
ThickAsThieves etc [18:48]
mircea_popescu it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium [18:48]
mircea_popescu what did they trade as ? [18:49]
dexX7 the good old btct times [18:49]
ThickAsThieves they were going at like 5% premium [18:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04168 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2} [18:49]
imsaguy hmm [18:49]
imsaguy I need to start fancy paper stuffs [18:49]
ThickAsThieves but i suspect Kate as also playing the market [18:49]
imsaguy start selling* [18:49]
dexX7 yea pretty sure [18:49]
ThickAsThieves wait [18:50]
ThickAsThieves she openly said so [18:50]
ThickAsThieves if i recall [18:50]
imsaguy so who did kate marry? [18:50]
imsaguy goat? [18:50]
mircea_popescu hqahahaa [18:50]
ThickAsThieves deprived obv [18:50]
mircea_popescu srs ? [18:50]
imsaguy I don't follow days of our forum [18:50]
mircea_popescu "Fed is 'about to' propose capital surcharge on largest financial firms." [18:50]
imsaguy so obv isn't obv [18:50]
mircea_popescu that should go over well [18:50]
mircea_popescu imsaguy i think he's being sarcastic [18:51]
mircea_popescu i... hope he's being sarcastic [18:51]
ThickAsThieves mostly [18:51]
imsaguy mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly [18:51]
ThickAsThieves but they do have very coincidental availability [18:51]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinwxJqCYAAoCcZ.jpg << "daytrading on scamsites" is strangely absent [18:51]
imsaguy probably the same person [18:51]
imsaguy deprived probably named his right hand kate [18:51]
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mircea_popescu so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ? [18:51]
benkay here's a surcharge [18:52]
mircea_popescu meanwhile deprived of c0k ? [18:52]
ThickAsThieves nah [18:52]
ThickAsThieves i spoke with deprived once [18:52]
imsaguy no mircea_popescu [18:52]
benkay stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever [18:52]
ThickAsThieves i find it very hard to believe he is a tranny [18:52]
imsaguy kata ala rosie palmer [18:52]
imsaguy kate* [18:52]
ThickAsThieves he's a happy-go-lucky soccer/pub-lover [18:52]
dexX7 kate != deprived [18:52]
chetty benkay about that police state problem: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-second-amendment-case-refuses-to-prohibit-police-from-using-lawful-gun-ownership-as-a-trigger-for-no-knock-police-raids/79786#more-79786 [18:53]
mircea_popescu spoke with ie, you went to a bar ? [18:53]
dexX7 large gap between knowledge and style of writing [18:53]
ThickAsThieves voice over internet [18:53]
ThickAsThieves he was on his way to a bar though [18:53]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:53]
mircea_popescu dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is. [18:53]
ThickAsThieves i do think they have some sort of connection [18:53]
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ThickAsThieves family, friend, or something [18:54]
mircea_popescu well sure, he fell for her dog and pony show about respectable uk business woman. [18:54]
mircea_popescu that's a connection. [18:54]
ThickAsThieves it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands [18:54]
imsaguy what ever happened to mr. glbse? [18:54]
mircea_popescu why not wives ? [18:54]
mircea_popescu imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage. [18:54]
ThickAsThieves well i'm not lifting those skirts [18:54]
ThickAsThieves you do it [18:54]
imsaguy lol [18:55]
imsaguy 1,2,3 not it [18:55]
benkay noes goes [18:55]
benkay nose [18:55]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwhwbksHob1qmojqio1_500.jpg [18:55]
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dexX7 .bait [18:56]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg [18:56]
benkay chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately? [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35480 @ 0.00080127 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2} [18:57]
benkay anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them. [18:57]
ThickAsThieves sounds like you feel trapped in your own "home" [18:58]
chetty You sure that was dream benkay? Sounds like daily life [18:58]
mircea_popescu whats in louisiana [18:58]
benkay that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me." [18:58]
benkay rotting manses from the sugar days? iono, i dont touch that part of the continent. [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07501403 = 7.5014 BTC [+] {9} [19:00]
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VanCleef i'm looking fowardto mircea's new bitcoin tv showcalled "Why Mircea is better than you." [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59888998 = 1.1978 BTC [+] [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.07589999 = 0.759 BTC [-] {4} [19:06]
benkay i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!" [19:07]
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mircea_popescu i'm looking forward to mircea's new female body, "you thought he's just a guy ?!?!?!" [19:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49988 @ 0.00080143 = 40.0619 BTC [+] {3} [19:08]
VanCleef /semihard [19:08]
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nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJifZLjipxo [19:29]
ozbot Pussy Pussy Marijuana Verse - YouTube [19:29]
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benkay .bait [19:33]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/25554fcb3c82a37a564f2379a63d652a/tumblr_mtwi01x1Gd1rfz6a4o1_1280.jpg [19:33]
nubbins` bait should start sourcing from naked-yoga [19:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424765 = 0.8495 BTC [+] {2} [19:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00080225 = 7.6214 BTC [+] [19:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.07325 = 0.879 BTC [-] {3} [19:48]
asciilifeform from the circus: [19:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0769 = 0.3845 BTC [+] [19:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.04249999 = 0.765 BTC [+] [19:49]
asciilifeform http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism [19:49]
ozbot Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, [19:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01729509 = 0.2248 BTC [-] {6} [19:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03810001 = 0.381 BTC [-] {3} [19:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 39 @ 0.0037691 = 0.147 BTC [-] {7} [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00365188 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {7} [20:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585501 BTC [-] [20:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [+] [20:06]
blackwhite is there some data source to get the trading volume, price etc? [20:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04289993 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3} [20:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04314428 = 0.4314 BTC [+] {3} [20:08]
mike_c !t h rent [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600100 / 0.00623437 / 0.00647960 (373 shares, 2.32542147 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00560099 / 0.00900001 (28538 shares, 159.84093509 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00555348 / 0.00900001 (53890 shares, 299.27693509 BTC) [20:09]
mike_c i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0438 = 0.438 BTC [+] {5} [20:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07698998 = 0.8469 BTC [+] [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04466666 = 0.402 BTC [+] {4} [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.045 = 0.945 BTC [+] {3} [20:11]
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mjr_ whats up everybody [20:14]
mjr_ I am trying to work out details to come to lovely timisoara [20:14]
blackwhite mike_c like this http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226 [20:15]
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mike_c blackwhite: for stocks? mpex stocks here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ havelock here: http://coinflow.co/chart/HAVELOCK/RENT [20:17]
blackwhite so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization) [20:18]
mike_c mpex here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/ [20:19]
mike_c and that's it, the link store is closed. [20:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27124 @ 0.00079978 = 21.6932 BTC [+] [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5855 = 4.0985 BTC [-] {3} [20:25]
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benkay mircea_popescu: your footnotes make for inconsistent line heights [20:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00080225 = 8.4236 BTC [+] [20:41]
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mike_c i need a quick little pile of atc. can anybody sell me 1k atc @ 200 satoshis per? [20:48]
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thestringpuller ;;ud trapstar [21:17]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ... [21:17]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapstar [21:17]
thestringpuller ;;ud trapping [21:17]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping”  ... [21:17]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapping [21:17]
thestringpuller ;;ud trap star [21:17]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ... [21:17]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapstar [21:17]
thestringpuller ;;ud trapper [21:18]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapper | drug dealer, mainly this word is used in the south. that nigga is a straight trapper fo life. by Auguste October 17, 2005. 538 56. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapper” mugs ... [21:18]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: trapper [21:18]
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thestringpuller ;;ud trap [21:18]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap | The area where drug deals are carried out. The dope boy is in the trap tonight. by Shipp December 03, 2003. 4691 1533. Mugs & shirts Buy “Trap” mugs & shirts ... [21:18]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: trap [21:18]
benkay thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right? [21:18]
ThickAsThieves bet you didn't know it's derived from [21:18]
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ThickAsThieves ;;crab trap [21:18]
gribble Error: "crab" is not a valid command. [21:18]
ThickAsThieves ;;ud crab trap [21:19]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap | When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily. [21:19]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: crab trap [21:19]
ThickAsThieves no not that [21:19]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:19]
ThickAsThieves they used to call it a crab trap [21:19]
ThickAsThieves which became trapping [21:19]
ThickAsThieves cuz they all stuck in the pot [21:19]
ThickAsThieves and got a crab mentality [21:19]
ThickAsThieves etc [21:19]
mike_c hm, what is a crab mentality? [21:20]
benkay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality [21:21]
ozbot Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:21]
benkay related to: [21:21]
benkay [21:21]
benkay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante [21:21]
ozbot Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [21:21]
ThickAsThieves well to think like a base animal [21:21]
ThickAsThieves like the trap is the whole world [21:21]
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ThickAsThieves fighting for the food [21:22]
ThickAsThieves tearing eachother up [21:22]
ThickAsThieves stuck [21:22]
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ThickAsThieves wiki says it better [21:23]
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ThickAsThieves of course like many things in that culture it transformed from an insult to a compliment [21:24]
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mike_c sounds like bitcointalk [21:24]
mike_c or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight. [21:25]
ThickAsThieves yeha not really similar [21:25]
ThickAsThieves the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though [21:26]
mike_c and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot. [21:26]
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benkay btctalk is more like "anyone can be a special fairy!" [21:27]
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benkay it's more like "those doods launched an exchange and so can derp!" [21:27]
mike_c lol. special fairy. [21:27]
ThickAsThieves i cant come up with a choice analogy for btctalk, but I'd say Idiocracy is close [21:28]
benkay group delusions of competence [21:28]
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ThickAsThieves trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat [21:28]
ThickAsThieves ignorant [21:28]
ThickAsThieves it's like being tough or real [21:28]
ThickAsThieves fuckit i ignant [21:28]
ThickAsThieves acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose [21:29]
ThickAsThieves and be hood [21:29]
ThickAsThieves so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood [21:29]
ThickAsThieves in [21:29]
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benkay you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838 [21:31]
dexX7 http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community" [21:31]
benkay notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses" [21:31]
benkay who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials. [21:31]
ThickAsThieves black people always can find pride in what they arew [21:31]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/YG9fT [21:32]
ozbot 56 Bitcoin Icons - Imgur [21:32]
ThickAsThieves i know that's a generalization [21:32]
nubbins` nice [21:32]
ThickAsThieves but in sense ive met many more "real" black people than white [21:32]
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nubbins` wait, so she's giving up "journalism" and becoming a hunter? [21:33]
nubbins` ;( [21:33]
ThickAsThieves she's so stupid... [21:34]
dexX7 in this case we'd at least don't hear any trash reports from her again [21:34]
dexX7 but i don't believe she'll stop ;) [21:34]
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dexX7 http://i.imgur.com/h3y9VSe.jpg hehe [21:35]
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ThickAsThieves she'll stop because she's a husk now [21:37]
ThickAsThieves no one wants her [21:37]
ThickAsThieves she'll need to go solo [21:37]
ThickAsThieves and be a sensationalist blogger [21:37]
benkay is she married? [21:38]
ThickAsThieves i'd bet no [21:38]
dexX7 ^ [21:38]
ThickAsThieves her staying with a gf and all [21:38]
ThickAsThieves she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else [21:39]
Apocalyptic ^ [21:39]
ThickAsThieves i imagine her personality to be much like Lena Dunham's character on Girls [21:39]
benkay it's never to late to snag one, i guess. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves hopelessly lost in self importance [21:39]
ThickAsThieves i guarantee she can't cook either [21:40]
benkay f that [21:40]
benkay while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table. [21:40]
thestringpuller You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck. [21:40]
thestringpuller "I hate doing actual work I just want experiences and want to be free and feel fulfilled without any effort.: [21:41]
Apocalyptic not only American thestringpuller [21:41]
thestringpuller It's like fuck off and die already. [21:41]
dexX7 sounds like you're 60+ [21:41]
dexX7 jk :) [21:41]
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thestringpuller I'm 26 and feel like I'm going on 60 [21:42]
thestringpuller fucking 22 year olds I hire can't do shit [21:43]
thestringpuller 15 year olds are better at hustling [21:43]
thestringpuller 15 year olds from the hood* [21:43]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: what were they hired to do? [21:43]
dexX7 what kind of business do you run? :D [21:43]
dexX7 tree farms? [21:43]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: hired one person to be an Executive Assistant. Siri was better at his job than him...so we let him go. [21:45]
thestringpuller hired an engineer who didn't know what a for loop was [21:45]
thestringpuller literally didn't know what a for loop was; you can't make this shit up [21:46]
thestringpuller college grad with CS degree and all [21:46]
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asciilifeform graduate of Spam U ? [21:47]
thestringpuller Essentially. Cept not the online kind. [21:47]
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thestringpuller Local community Spam U [21:47]
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asciilifeform http://imgur.com/2kg29Ts [21:50]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [21:50]
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asciilifeform usg steals a few irc botnets. [21:50]
asciilifeform laugh/cry [21:51]
benkay what is this "quantum" referencing? [21:51]
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asciilifeform name for a particular malware-production group at nsa [21:51]
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asciilifeform no actual quanta harmed. [21:52]
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dub was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too? [21:56]
dub s/f/ph [21:56]
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dub ie, the delivery [21:57]
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HowardF lol [21:58]
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dub helps to click links I guess [21:58]
Apocalyptic thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess [21:59]
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thestringpuller Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job [21:59]
Apocalyptic sounds fair [22:00]
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asciilifeform https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor [22:14]
ozbot Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working [22:14]
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dexX7 i'd be interested in something that could log any usage ofthis backdoor [22:19]
nubbins` https://blockchain.info/wallet/how-to-get-bitcoins [22:19]
nubbins` "alternative methods" [22:19]
ozbot How to Get Bitcoins - 3 Step Guide [22:19]
nubbins` i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from [22:19]
nubbins` and if they ever stacked blocks as a child [22:19]
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dexX7 :D [22:20]
asciilifeform photos of casascius coins in unrelated context seems to be a good heuristic for scammitude. [22:20]
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nubbins` heh [22:20]
nubbins` those aren't casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something [22:21]
dexX7 the context is "offline" [22:21]
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nubbins` seriously, look at the stack on the right [22:21]
nubbins` i fuckin DARE ya to stack seven coins like that. [22:21]
asciilifeform imagine if every media piece on, say, 400 horsepower mercedes benz, had to include a picture of... that many actual horses [22:22]
nubbins` hahah [22:22]
ughlol mircea_popescu: mind if I pm? [22:22]
nubbins` that would be great [22:22]
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ughlol lol [22:24]
ThickAsThieves i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page [22:25]
ThickAsThieves nor coinbase [22:25]
ThickAsThieves such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho [22:25]
ThickAsThieves how to buy* [22:25]
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benkay how to butt [22:27]
benkay bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either [22:27]
ThickAsThieves indeed [22:27]
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dexX7 ThickAsThieves: only one per region: us, gb, eu, au, sg [22:29]
dexX7 at least that's what is shown, if you log into a blockchain.info wallet [22:29]
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ThickAsThieves i see that casascius sells blanks, but do people sell sticker printing kits? [22:29]
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ughlol Im trying to create a rape intervention service in India [22:43]
ughlol and looking for investment for the same [22:43]
ughlol anybody interested? [22:43]
ThickAsThieves a social media rape service? [22:44]
ThickAsThieves sounds fishy [22:44]
ughlol rape intervention [22:44]
ughlol social network with such a feature [22:44]
ughlol but rape prevention/intervention is the USP [22:44]
Azelphur how would that work? O.o [22:44]
HowardF how would such a thing make profit? [22:44]
benkay nubbins` yeah lol what is even center of gravity? [22:45]
ughlol Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family. [22:45]
ughlol HowardF: Ads, etc.. [22:45]
Azelphur so this is a hardware device? [22:46]
ughlol no [22:46]
ughlol a software [22:46]
benkay apps! [22:46]
benkay apps for everyone and everything! [22:46]
ughlol Android app that takes advantage of location services [22:46]
ughlol benkay: precisely [22:46]
Azelphur I see [22:46]
ughlol "A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done." [22:46]
Azelphur and yea, where's the profit? [22:46]
ughlol I feel pathetic about the condition of girls in my country (India) [22:47]
ughlol and how they have no freedom due to some pathetic people (rapists) [22:47]
ughlol Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc. [22:47]
ughlol This would be the USP for my app [22:47]
HowardF i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere... [22:47]
ughlol USP == Unique Selling Proposition [22:47]
Azelphur ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this [22:48]
ughlol Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app. [22:48]
HowardF agreed. last thing someone about to get raped needs to see is an ad for condoms.. [22:48]
ughlol Social networks can earn tons of revenue from ads. [22:48]
ughlol FlappyBird made around 50,000USD per day from ads [22:49]
Azelphur heh [22:49]
TomServo How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted? [22:49]
ughlol I think a social network can make similar amounts [22:49]
Azelphur ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn't, it's one time use [22:49]
HowardF ( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think ) [22:49]
ughlol TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify. [22:49]
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ughlol these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies [22:49]
TomServo Right.. but the location? [22:49]
ughlol HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken. [22:50]
punkman ughlol, you need DRONES [22:50]
ughlol TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc. [22:50]
HowardF i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc. [22:50]
ughlol punkman: haha, i doubt i can afford drones. Cant afford a 2nd hand server. [22:50]
ughlol lol [22:50]
ughlol HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot. [22:50]
Azelphur yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says) [22:51]
Azelphur but, there's no profit in i [22:51]
Azelphur t [22:51]
ThickAsThieves ughlol [22:51]
ThickAsThieves your idea is horrible [22:51]
ThickAsThieves scrap it [22:51]
ughlol India is my prime target. I've seen a video that literally made me tear. I would link you, but it is in Hindi.. [22:51]
ThickAsThieves try again [22:51]
ughlol Azelphur: I believe profit can be integrated. If not ads, there are probably other ways. [22:51]
HowardF looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead [22:51]
ughlol ThickAsThieves: really? You think so? [22:51]
ThickAsThieves also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention [22:51]
Azelphur HowardF++ [22:52]
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ThickAsThieves it has the opposite reaction [22:52]
ughlol HowardF: I agree. [22:52]
ThickAsThieves yes [22:52]
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ughlol ThickAsThieves: You think Im trying to get attention? [22:52]
ThickAsThieves you dont advertise to possible rape victims [22:52]
benkay ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event. [22:52]
ThickAsThieves and an app is not social media [22:52]
ughlol ThickAsThieves: http://www.satyamevjayate.in/Fighting-Rape/EPISODE-1watchvideo.aspx?uid=E1-EV-V1&lang=hindi [22:52]
benkay all app successes are accidents of timing and positioning. [22:52]
ughlol Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins. [22:53]
ThickAsThieves firstly [22:53]
ThickAsThieves you said scam [22:53]
ThickAsThieves not me [22:53]
ughlol benkay: A rape happens every 18 hours in India's capital city. [22:53]
ughlol ThickAsThieves: think what you may. [22:53]
benkay ughlol: you fail to make a point. [22:53]
ThickAsThieves second, nevermin [22:53]
ThickAsThieves d [22:53]
ThickAsThieves this deserves no more attention [22:54]
Azelphur ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting [22:54]
HowardF in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously. [22:54]
ughlol benkay: you meant that rape is a radom event? [22:54]
ughlol There is currently NO rape intervention/prevention app in the market. [22:54]
Azelphur HowardF: agree with you :) [22:54]
Azelphur ughlol: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nebulastudios.meagainstrape what's this then? [22:54]
ughlol Yes, you're right HowardF [22:54]
benkay no i mean that you can't use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol. [22:54]
ughlol oh [22:54]
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ughlol i see [22:54]
ughlol sorry [22:55]
benkay it's not going to prevent rapes. [22:55]
Azelphur yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD [22:55]
benkay rapist smacks phone out of girls hand. [22:55]
benkay continues to rape. [22:55]
benkay your app has failed. [22:55]
benkay NEXT. [22:55]
HowardF benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful [22:55]
Azelphur yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you [22:55]
ughlol Azelphur: doesn't create an SOS signal with current location using GPS. [22:55]
Azelphur an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example [22:55]
benkay or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india [22:55]
benkay this is a human problem, not a technological one. [22:56]
ughlol benkay: it may fail. but it will help many. [22:56]
ughlol even if it helps 1 person, it succeeds. [22:56]
benkay and how will it make money? because that's basically all we care about in here. [22:56]
ughlol technology is moving towards changing peoples lives. [22:56]
benkay ads are out. [22:56]
Azelphur benkay: I think we already established that it won't [22:56]
ughlol HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money? [22:56]
ughlol Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even? [22:57]
HowardF difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting. [22:57]
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Azelphur HowardF: my thought with ads was one that it's single use, and 2 accidental clicking lol [22:57]
ughlol Ads might not be insulting. After all, its a great service for free.. [22:57]
joecool or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place [22:57]
joecool could go just about *anywhere* else better in the world [22:57]
HowardF donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option [22:57]
ughlol and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney. [22:58]
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ughlol Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally. [22:58]
ughlol HowardF: any idea who might be interested to donate to something like this? [22:59]
Azelphur ughlol: getting more useless, also re-read what I said, that's not what I suggested. [22:59]
HowardF trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads. [22:59]
ughlol oh [22:59]
Azelphur I was talking about accidentally clicking an advert during a crisis situation [22:59]
ughlol ok [22:59]
ughlol ah, i see Azelphur [22:59]
Azelphur and if you're having codes and patterns...yea that's so not gonna work [22:59]
HowardF i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start [23:00]
Azelphur tl;dr what you want is a rape whistle, it's better than anything you've mentioned [23:00]
HowardF some larger ones may well be willing to sponsor or provide a grant. [23:00]
Azelphur 1) cheaper, 2) more widely available, 3) has a much higher chance of success [23:00]
ughlol Azelphur: Little girls scream for help, and nobody cares. Nobody wants to interfere. [23:01]
ughlol This isn't America. [23:01]
ughlol Nobody wants to be the hero. [23:01]
Azelphur ah, that's shitty [23:01]
HowardF also, no reason you couldn't combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press [23:01]
ughlol This is India. [23:01]
Azelphur but yea, GPS is too far man, that won't work [23:01]
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ughlol Why so? [23:01]
ughlol I think GPS should do the trick. [23:01]
ughlol It should give a very accurate location. [23:01]
Azelphur best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner [23:01]
Azelphur by then the attacker is probably done and gone [23:02]
benkay .bait [23:02]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ft157Ui61r600xqo1_1280.jpg [23:02]
benkay mm wow [23:02]
benkay .bait [23:02]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h4x0MKBB1qag73to1_1280.jpg [23:02]
HowardF based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming [23:02]
ughlol ^ [23:02]
ughlol true [23:02]
benkay what if they're on a train? [23:02]
Azelphur ^ that too [23:02]
benkay fat load of use this thing will be. [23:02]
jcpham train rape [23:02]
ughlol benkay: pls scroll up, we discussed that a bit.. [23:02]
benkay fat load of use this thing will be anyways. [23:02]
ughlol yeah [23:02]
HowardF and again, even if it can't stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help [23:02]
ughlol its better than doing nothing [23:03]
ughlol and just bitching about every idea that exists [23:03]
Azelphur HowardF: yea that was my thinking, it'd be good for after care [23:03]
ughlol thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims [23:03]
Azelphur but that's about all it'd be good for [23:03]
benkay nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place. [23:03]
ughlol To me, even if it helps 1%, its a success. [23:03]
benkay to you, just talking about it makes you feel like you're doing something to help [23:03]
ughlol i want to make it. [23:03]
Azelphur ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all [23:04]
ughlol Not just talk about it. [23:04]
benkay so go make it and quit bullshitting. [23:04]
Azelphur then go make it, you don't need money [23:04]
benkay prove me wrong. [23:04]
benkay you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys? [23:04]
ughlol benkay: do you have a twitter profile? [23:04]
ughlol I'll prove you wrong. [23:04]
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ughlol benkay: you're wrong. [23:04]
benkay less talk, more do. [23:04]
benkay go. [23:04]
ughlol resources count as well. not just passion and drive. [23:04]
HowardF also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think... [23:04]
joecool wat [23:05]
benkay what about a fucking whistle? [23:05]
ughlol Thank you HowardF. [23:05]
benkay what about martial arts training? [23:05]
benkay those are things that i'll buy might have a shot at changing a rape event's outcome [23:05]
HowardF your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits [23:05]
benkay no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything. [23:06]
Azelphur ughlol: dowhat...I built fuckloads of shit [23:06]
Azelphur I started on $20 and a computer I built from shit in a skip [23:06]
Azelphur so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;) [23:06]
ughlol I doubt Azelphur. [23:07]
Azelphur really? [23:07]
ughlol Yes, really. [23:07]
Azelphur ...ok then [23:07]
ughlol I myself am a developer and security consultant. [23:07]
benkay famous in india, we hear! [23:07]
ughlol not exactly, but kinda [23:07]
ughlol lol [23:07]
HowardF i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn't happen without something to back it up [23:07]
benkay so go hire some $10/hr indian android devs for 2 months of work [23:08]
benkay ;;calc 10*80*8 [23:08]
gribble 6400 [23:08]
ughlol I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype. [23:08]
benkay shouldn't cost you more than seven grand. [23:08]
Azelphur https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/Photos/From%20Google/DCFN0033.JPG observe, shit from a skip :) [23:08]
HowardF if you know java, it shouldn't cost you anything but time [23:08]
Azelphur note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons. [23:08]
Azelphur those were the days folks, those were the days. [23:08]
ughlol Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary. [23:09]
ughlol benkay: ^ [23:09]
ughlol Azelphur: wow. That does look nice :) [23:09]
Azelphur ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument. [23:09]
Azelphur here's what I have now, just to contrast. http://i.imgur.com/YOuK4UK.jpg :) [23:10]
ughlol $20 cant even buy me a second had server capable enough to handle location services etc. [23:11]
ughlol (assuming i coded the app on my own) [23:11]
ughlol these things require some amount of investment [23:11]
Azelphur ughlol: no, but it can pay for like 4 months of VPS service, which is what I did. [23:11]
ughlol but yes, I wont argue anymore considering that there is no profit in the idea. [23:12]
Azelphur I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :) [23:12]
Azelphur I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha [23:12]
ThickAsThieves does india not have a polic emergency line? [23:12]
ughlol You can get a VPS for 4months for $20? [23:12]
ughlol ThickAsThieves: no [23:12]
Azelphur ughlol: hell yes, even less now man, this was 10 years ago [23:13]
Azelphur now you can get like 512MB for $2, it's awesome [23:13]
ThickAsThieves so what happens when rapee uses your app [23:13]
ughlol police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda [23:13]
ThickAsThieves who comes running? [23:13]
ughlol or they tell the victim to compromise and drop the case [23:13]
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ughlol ThickAsThieves: family, nearby friends and nearby 'helpers' [23:13]
ThickAsThieves so it's like a digital rape whistle [23:14]
Azelphur ughlol: https://bluevm.com/ $2.50/mo, for example [23:14]
ughlol Azelphur: link me? I'll buy it right now..? [23:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line. [23:14]
ughlol ThickAsThieves: yes, and more effective (imho) [23:14]
Azelphur there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head [23:14]
HowardF actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims [23:14]
Azelphur actually, here it is, http://buyvm.net/ $15 / year [23:14]
ThickAsThieves the app would be so easy to replicate [23:14]
ThickAsThieves i dont see how it can make money [23:15]
Azelphur HowardF: now that's a good idea [23:15]
ughlol Whatsapp isn't difficult to replicate. [23:15]
Azelphur although again, it's all unprofitable [23:15]
ughlol There are so many services like whatsapp. [23:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does [23:15]
ThickAsThieves whatsapp had value cuz user data [23:15]
ThickAsThieves surely you dont intend to sell user data [23:15]
Azelphur ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn't hard ;) [23:15]
Azelphur just gotta be smart. [23:15]
Azelphur heck, you could startup on $0 [23:15]
ughlol HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. *Noted* [23:16]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:16]
HowardF profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn't [23:16]
ThickAsThieves yes you might be able to get a DV shelter to get a grant for it [23:16]
HowardF i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project [23:16]
Azelphur I tend to aim at $0 initial when I'm making new things [23:16]
Azelphur but I'm crazy. xD [23:16]
ughlol How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims? [23:17]
ughlol Would that also be insulting? [23:17]
ThickAsThieves well the problem is that's how he started [23:17]
ThickAsThieves who has money for me?! [23:17]
ughlol Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even. [23:17]
ThickAsThieves social media! [23:17]
Azelphur ughlol: nope, this idea is a nonprofit [23:17]
HowardF not as insulting, no, but probably also not anywhere near enough to make it worth while. [23:17]
ughlol ah [23:17]
ughlol ah well [23:17]
ughlol some friends sent me here from bitcoin-otc.. [23:18]
ThickAsThieves you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions [23:18]
ughlol sorry to waste all your time guys [23:18]
Azelphur ughlol: doesn't seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can't do now [23:18]
ughlol Yes, thats true.. [23:18]
ThickAsThieves you may even make a living of it yourself [23:18]
ThickAsThieves but it's not an investment opportunity [23:18]
Azelphur hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help [23:19]
ThickAsThieves off* [23:19]
Azelphur at the very least you can help some people after the fact, I'd think [23:19]
ughlol haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims. [23:19]
ughlol Azelphur: definitely [23:19]
ughlol I will do that.. [23:19]
HowardF indeed... just a few tweaks and i actually think you have a workable idea. [23:19]
Azelphur ughlol: good luck, keep your code lightweight and you can run it on a 128MB buyvm server no problem [23:19]
HowardF focus more on support than prevention (though you can definately do both), and focus on grants from non-profits [23:20]
ughlol Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions. [23:20]
ughlol I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding). [23:21]
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benkay did we rid -assets of the rapist? [23:56]
benkay BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line? [23:57]
benkay hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is [23:57]
BingoBoingo benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market [23:58]
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