Forum logs for 11 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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Duffer1	#b-a kinda slow today, everyone busy playing titanfall?	[00:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 15 @ 0.10319264 = 1.5479 BTC [-] {6}	[00:11]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe was just watching it on twitch	[00:15]
ThickAsThieves	not into it	[00:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00400007 = 0.172 BTC [-] {2}	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00087274 = 33.3387 BTC [+]	[00:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00087274 = 11.5638 BTC [+]	[00:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.0424 = 2.968 BTC [-] {2}	[00:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.0424 = 0.9752 BTC [-]	[01:12]
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cazalla	kuka v timoboll today	[01:18]
Duffer1	lol	[01:19]
Duffer1	why is that even a thing?	[01:19]
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cazalla	seems that you need a reg code to watch it via the website though	[01:20]
Duffer1	>.<	[01:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4920 @ 0.00087274 = 4.2939 BTC [+]	[01:27]
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KRS-One	how cool is this	[01:34]
KRS-One	http://i.imgur.com/hzsnpoC.jpg	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00411 = 0.1233 BTC [+]	[01:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-]	[01:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}	[01:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]	[01:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00403528 = 0.4277 BTC [-] {4}	[02:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001772 = 0.1772 BTC [-] {4}	[02:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.04240333 = 1.2721 BTC [+] {3}	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087326 = 16.4173 BTC [+]	[02:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02190005 = 0.2847 BTC [-] {3}	[02:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000002 = 0.14 BTC [-]	[02:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.043 = 0.129 BTC [+] {3}	[02:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6089995 = 4.263 BTC [+] {5}	[02:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0039988 = 0.1999 BTC [-]	[02:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 794 @ 0.00401378 = 3.1869 BTC [+] {3}	[02:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00594457 = 0.1189 BTC [-] {5}	[03:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00586121 = 0.4103 BTC [-] {4}	[03:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6128 @ 0.00087421 = 5.3572 BTC [+]	[03:36]
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copumpkin	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ says final dividend is 8100 btc, but exactly half of that made it onto the mpoe statement on mpex (http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE)	[03:47]
copumpkin	what am I missing?	[03:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087326 = 11.1341 BTC [-]	[03:49]
kakobrekla	the float on exchange is only half of all	[03:51]
copumpkin	oh	[03:52]
copumpkin	fair enough :)	[03:52]
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benkay	just to fuck with us, copumpkin.	[04:01]
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kakobrekla	dunno if this was here already	[04:04]
kakobrekla	www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1zhjwh/certificate_verification_vulnerability_in_all/	[04:04]
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benkay	mhm	[04:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00087245 = 41.9212 BTC [-] {4}	[04:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087062 = 3.6566 BTC [-]	[04:17]
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nubbins`	as of today, march 10, 2014, it is illegal to ride in the bed of a pickup truck in this province	[04:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087355 = 5.285 BTC [+]	[04:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00087355 = 7.4252 BTC [+]	[04:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1039 @ 0.00422801 = 4.3929 BTC [+] {11}	[04:36]
bloctoc	Artifex just tried to scam me	[04:38]
artifexd	Me?	[04:40]
copumpkin	artifexd: quit scamming!	[04:40]
bloctoc	nope Artifex	[04:40]
copumpkin	bloctoc: oh, from -otc?	[04:40]
artifexd	I didn't do it. Seriously	[04:40]
copumpkin	bloctoc: you have a transcript?	[04:40]
bloctoc	I'll check	[04:41]
bloctoc	can't find a transcript anywhere in textual but I'm not a textual expert. if anyone knows if that's possible?	[04:42]
bloctoc	to pull up a transcript?	[04:42]
nubbins`	;;ident bloctoc	[04:42]
gribble	Nick 'bloctoc', with hostmask 'bloctoc!~bloctoc@c-50-168-9-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net', is not identified.	[04:42]
nubbins`	;;ident artifexd	[04:42]
gribble	Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified.	[04:42]
nubbins`	;;gettrust bloctoc	[04:43]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=bloctoc \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc \| Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013	[04:43]
artifexd	One sec and I'll ident. Cause it wasn't me.	[04:43]
nubbins`	;;gettrust artifexd	[04:43]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=artifexd \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=artifexd \| Rated since: Wed Mar 5 02:06:14 2014	[04:43]
bloctoc	Artifex not artifexd	[04:43]
nubbins`	IDGAF, just curious ;p	[04:43]
nubbins`	oh	[04:43]
artifexd	Then I'll sit down and shut up.	[04:43]
nubbins`	who's artifex?	[04:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087407 = 10.8385 BTC [+] {4}	[04:44]
bloctoc	Artifex is just someone who pm'd me and tried to scam. I sent a warning. that's all	[04:44]
bloctoc	artifexd != Artifex	[04:44]
nubbins`	he's not even in here :(	[04:44]
benkay	;;gettrust Artifex	[04:44]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Artifex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Artifex \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Artifex \| Rated since: Sat May 7 03:44:47 2011	[04:44]
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nubbins`	guise my neighbour tried to scam me	[04:45]
benkay	dat +5 with a -30	[04:45]
nubbins`	her name is captain sally rockwell	[04:45]
nubbins`	benkay: check the -30's ratings	[04:46]
nubbins`	dollar chargebacks	[04:46]
nubbins`	lel	[04:46]
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artifexd	;;ident	[04:47]
gribble	Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None	[04:47]
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benkay	it's a lot of money in some parts of the world, nubbins`.	[04:48]
nubbins`	too true	[04:48]
copumpkin	bloctoc: what kind of scam? just an offer to buy or was it genuinely sketchy?	[04:50]
bloctoc	it looks like it's still going. he's trying to buy btc from me and sell to someone else in bitcoin-otc	[04:50]
copumpkin	oh	[04:51]
nubbins`	not much to be done about it in here	[04:54]
nubbins`	report it in -otc and be done with it	[04:54]
nubbins`	everybody knows unsolicited PMs are the mark of a scammer	[04:54]
kakobrekla	bloctoc theres like no btc usd trading happening here ever	[04:56]
nubbins`	^	[04:57]
bloctoc	he tried to copy/paste the get trust results into chat.	[04:57]
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nubbins`	yep, scammers do that	[04:59]
nubbins`	not much you can do about it, i wouldn't get too wound up	[04:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3787 @ 0.00391884 = 14.8406 BTC [-] {36}	[05:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 11213 @ 0.00351718 = 39.4381 BTC [-] {46}	[05:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9494 @ 0.00331059 = 31.4307 BTC [-] {10}	[05:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00312698 = 4.6905 BTC [-] {12}	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin well half the shares are treasury	[05:07]
copumpkin	congrats :)	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	Mar 04 11:22:27 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share	[05:07]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: you're going to need a moneybin soon, like uncle scrooge has	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	no because it's all digital see	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	they're not real money, because they have no value backing them	[05:08]
benkay	satoshi's fiat	[05:08]
nubbins`	what is real, anyway	[05:08]
*	benkay pictures a crypto-car	[05:09]
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*	nubbins` pictures a queen music video	[05:09]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: oh damn, I keep forgetting that	[05:09]
copumpkin	oh well	[05:09]
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mircea_popescu	@Wolverineks · 7h @Beautyon_ i used to think @Mircea_Popescu was full of shit. Now I know I was just dumb.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	dude twitter is like an ego trip	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	why can't you people be more like lloyd braun!	[05:10]
copumpkin	lol	[05:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00087025 = 39.7704 BTC [-] {3}	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	@Wolverineks I am not going to argue this. That man is a dyed in the wool genius, no doubt about it. Go read his blog.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	i gotta make a collection of these for the benefit of the forum fans	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	o wait, actually there's an entire thread dedicated to that huh. a well.	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	moving on, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ffcb293eedca83d0ebe220277c678d2/tumblr_mz3p7yo4071s0tgwso1_1280.jpg	[05:18]
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nubbins`	hmm	[05:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00087197 = 17.2127 BTC [+]	[05:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: (unrelated) consider one day telling the tale of where you dug up MPOEPR.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	friend of a friend.	[05:53]
asciilifeform	aha	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	how else, you know ?	[05:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00310001 = 0.3441 BTC [-] {3}	[05:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23529 @ 0.00086786 = 20.4199 BTC [-] {2}	[05:56]
asciilifeform	yeah, has to be that, or you built her from scratch.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as scratch	[05:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06899603 = 1.7249 BTC [-] {6}	[06:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the 'entropy' link was epic. author deserves some kind of medal. 'Order of Golden Turd, First Class' ?	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	which one is this ?	[06:06]
asciilifeform	i don't think i've ever read such an artful piece of disinfo	[06:06]
asciilifeform	http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom	[06:06]
ozbot	Myths about /dev/urandom	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	moiety yes i am.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	o that. well... his gross point re random/urandom has some validity	[06:07]
asciilifeform	or the linked:	[06:07]
asciilifeform	http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140205-entropy.html	[06:07]
ozbot	cr.yp.to:	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	tbh i figure it's just random kid that overheard the adults talking and ran off with whatever he misunderstood of it	[06:07]
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asciilifeform	watch where he proposes a pill against the recent (theretical) break of lattice crypto.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	o look, moiety is actually kinda cute irl, if somewhat upside down	[06:08]
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asciilifeform	it's not a kid, the bastard knows what he's doing.	[06:10]
asciilifeform	or rather, what he wishes us to do.	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	what'd that be ?	[06:11]
asciilifeform	running off prng, for one	[06:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999999 BTC [+]	[06:12]
asciilifeform	this chap is not a schneier, he's an 'fda grade-A' mathematical judas goat.	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	let's consider some fun facts together : gpg takes ~5 minutes to generate a 2k key	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	bitcoind/qt take 0 seconds to generate a new address.	[06:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00086746 = 14.9637 BTC [-] {4}	[06:13]
Mats_cd03	.bait	[06:13]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/faf83800206c12c27f60c7a286a61fa7/tumblr_meuv4isDQ81rzw5ydo1_500.jpg	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	then people derp about how incredible secure bitcoin addressing is	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	sure, it could be.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	ecc remains mystery meat.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	yeah, we've been eating it, no ill effects - so far.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	but leaving that aside for a moment, bitcoin runs off prng	[06:15]
Namworld	nanotube Neil nick1234abcd NormDePloome nubbins`	[06:16]
asciilifeform	bad rng is not a magical instant death	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	artifexd nubbins` bloctoc well, that artifex guy in the wot has all his ratings during may/june of 2011	[06:16]
asciilifeform	attack against rng should be seen as 'part of a balanced diet' of pwnage	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	most likely someone stole the nickserv reg	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	!t h neobee	[06:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00301000 / 0.003579 / 0.00425000 (33532 shares, 120.01086616 BTC), 7D: 0.00301000 / 0.00401661 / 0.00497520 (116451 shares, 467.73874230 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00439242 / 0.00600000 (621992 shares, 2732.04948959 BTC)	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	honeymoon over huh	[06:17]
artifexd	About an hour ago someone dumped 20k+ shares and emptied the orderbook from .004 to .003.	[06:18]
benkay	!t h rent	[06:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00586004 / 0.00626295 / 0.00662900 (296 shares, 1.85383408 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00557609 / 0.00900001 (29516 shares, 164.58401921 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00553635 / 0.00900001 (61796 shares, 342.12401921 BTC)	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	artifexd news or something ?	[06:19]
artifexd	Not that I know. I've looked and didn't find anything.	[06:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.0008672 = 10.0162 BTC [-]	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	cbg resigned i see	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	turks claim they're coming to terms with the greeks	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	what sort of a twisted joke is having your central bank run by a guy whose name is panicos	[06:20]
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chetty_	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/10/the-messages-on-these-condom-wrappers-were-deemed-too-sexually-suggestive-to-hand-out-to-high-schoolers/	[06:21]
ozbot	The Messages on These Condom Wrappers Were Deemed Too Sexually Suggestive to Hand Out to High School	[06:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 277 @ 0.00357557 = 0.9904 BTC [+] {7}	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	chetty_ lmao, what are they supposed to say, "o hi, this is just a baloon" ?	[06:22]
chetty_	makes as much sense as most things - which is to say - none	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/momsmt/status/440987057775575040 << this is the twe4et in question	[06:24]
ozbot	Twitter / momsmt: Free condoms @bostonschools ...	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	why am i reading in the blaze about what some nobody said ?	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	is it because the blaze is trying to fish for imaginary controversy ?	[06:24]
Duffer1	that's kinda their thing	[06:25]
benkay	i met an ex-teacher while drinking beers after closing a deal the other day. he mentioned teaching sex-ed in an abstinence-only situation, and when I asked him "so how do you actually teach them?!" he said something along the lines of "well the smart ones can read between the lines"	[06:25]
benkay	this dodges entirely the question of how to educate the idiots who aren't reading, much less inferring.	[06:25]
Duffer1	it's glen becks bullshit factory	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	sex ed should basically consist of assisted fucking. "now all the girls take off their clothes. give your panties to the boy you'd like to fuck you"	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	"now all the boys take off their clothes. put your condom on like so"	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	"now go fuck"	[06:26]
benkay	but the feeeewiiiings	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	"don't push that way, more like this. there you go"	[06:27]
benkay	"i didn't get any panties!"	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	yeah, then mock all the teens that finish too early.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	benkay sluts obviously don't need further training.	[06:28]
chetty_	well all that time in sex ed they dont have to bother teaching hard stuff like maths	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	if kids got laid once a week mandatorily maths'd prolly be a lot easier to teach	[06:29]
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benkay	fr srs	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	oh, now i see the wisdom of what you said.	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the kids that don't get any panties for five weeks running are going to be gelded	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	for free, sponsored by obamacare	[06:30]
Duffer1	obamacare is best care, comrade	[06:31]
benkay	what, me wisdom?	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	then all the testicles thus obtained could be canned into pet food, shipped to stray dog shelters	[06:31]
benkay	obamacare is best care, comrade << nice	[06:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093389 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2}	[06:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.0008672 = 17.6475 BTC [-]	[06:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : the cypriot government pre-collapse ? communist.	[06:33]
Duffer1	http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/09/rethinking-the-40-hour-work-week/reduce-the-workweek-to-30-hours	[06:34]
ozbot	Reduce the Workweek to 30 Hours - NYTimes.com	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	Oh, some miner finally sold some ATC	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, do you readily know of a problem mersene might have as a crypto prng?	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/443094155921588224 this guy is pretty lulzy	[06:39]
ozbot	Twitter / DorianSatoshi: @TheBitcoinWife Can you tell ...	[06:39]
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nubbins`	more testicles means more iron	[06:44]
nubbins`	those "ONE" brand condoms have tons of different designs, it's their thing	[06:45]
nubbins`	also impossibly difficult to open iirc	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah i was thinking, who the fuck makes round wrappers	[06:46]
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mircea_popescu	the corners are there for a god damned purpose	[06:46]
nubbins`	nod	[06:46]
benkay	what, you need a perforated strip too?!	[06:46]
nubbins`	"maybe if we package these tennis balls in a large sphere"	[06:46]
nubbins`	benkay, go buy a pack of ONE condoms and open 'em all on your first try	[06:47]
nubbins`	i dare ya	[06:47]
kakobrekla	now we came to the roots of round corner hate.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	benkay for instance i hate the durex brand because not only they fit much too tightly, but uber-retarded wrapping.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	magnums are comfortable, the box is non-plastic and perforated, the individual wrappers tear easily.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hahaha i guess you caught me	[06:48]
nubbins`	the ones with the roomy tips are nice	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/cornul-abundentei-sau-ma-rog/	[06:51]
ozbot	Cornul abundentei. Sau ma rog… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:51]
nubbins`	"The condoms should have had more realistic pictures on them. Such as a teenager laying in bed with a baby crying in the background and an alarm clock showing 2 am, or a teenager with a paper hat on cooking fries."	[06:51]
nubbins`	heh	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	wait, why are these realistic for condoms ?	[06:52]
nubbins`	"get a job or you'll be asking people if they want fries with that" turns into "what are you, too good for a fast food job?" and people wonder why the kids are confused	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	those should be the illustration on absent condoms	[06:52]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: because your sin pokes holes in them	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	in who, in the girls ?	[06:52]
asciilifeform	the illustration on absent condoms << 'sound of one hand clapping'	[06:53]
nubbins`	the condoms!	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	im confused.	[06:53]
nubbins`	"Try these sayings: 1 Corinthians 6:18 Leviticus 18:22 Colossians 3:5"	[06:54]
nubbins`	i actually won't try those sayings	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	;;google Corinthians 6:18	[06:54]
gribble	1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee from sexual immorality. All other - Bible ...: ; 1 Corinthians 6:18 ESV - Flee from sexual immorality. Every - Bible ...: ; 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee from sexual immorality. All other - Bible ...: (1 more message)	[06:54]
nubbins`	well, that's short and sweet	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	what's this, "How to be fucktarded, a guide" ?	[06:54]
nubbins`	;;google leviticus 18:22	[06:54]
gribble	Leviticus 18:22 - “'Do not have sexual relations with - Bible Gateway: ; Leviticus 18:22 KJV - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as - Bible ...: ; Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one ...: (1 more message)	[06:54]
nubbins`	ah, heh	[06:54]
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mircea_popescu	well... this leviticus is one i could get behind	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	oops.	[06:55]
nubbins`	afaik leviticus 18:22 instructs you not to fuck men in their pussies	[06:56]
nubbins`	odd advice to give	[06:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.000871 = 32.7496 BTC [+] {2}	[06:56]
nubbins`	;;google colossians 3:5	[06:56]
gribble	Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your ...: ; Colossians 3:5 KJV - Mortify therefore your members which - Bible ...: ; Colossians 3:5 - Put to death, therefore, whatever - Bible Gateway:	[06:56]
nubbins`	"Why doesn’t the school just go for broke and provide kids with alcohol and copies of the Kama Sutra"	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/447815d1367782489-man-pussy-buck-20angel-20-283-29.jpg	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087206 = 4.3603 BTC [+] {2}	[06:57]
nubbins`	the bible forbids it	[06:57]
nubbins`	you have to fuck him in the ass	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	imo it's her	[06:58]
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nubbins`	ya think?	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	tis possible.	[07:00]
asciilifeform	what illustration on absent parachutes !	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform parasuta is, of course, yet another way to say whore in romanian.	[07:02]
asciilifeform	ahahah!	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	along with firecracker, rag and roadster	[07:02]
nubbins`	ah, internet says f2m	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	f2m ?!	[07:02]
nubbins`	nod	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	;;ud f2m	[07:02]
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gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=f2m \| f2m. 1. Technically stands for Female to Male AKA "FTM". 2. Describes someone born w/ a Female physical form who feels they are actually male & were born ...	[07:02]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: f2m	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	aok	[07:03]
nubbins`	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5cPTXau3a9c/UU1OznQqMeI/AAAAAAAApRs/4bqxtTnx8yI/s1600/131.jpg	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	if anyone is looking for a crazy hard exercise of romanian translation, i dare recomend http://trilema.com/2009/nevoi/	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	i'd rate it postdoctoral level.	[07:03]
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nubbins`	bed time	[07:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00368999 = 0.214 BTC [+] {2}	[07:09]
Mats_cd03	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/can-this-70-dongle-stem-the-epidemic-of-password-breaches/	[07:12]
ozbot	Can this $70 dongle stem the epidemic of password breaches? \| Ars Technica	[07:12]
Mats_cd03	isnt this inferior compared to yubikey	[07:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [+]	[07:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61971428 = 4.338 BTC [+] {4}	[07:19]
Mats_cd03	idk much about this crypto shit except that the dongle seems to have more entropy? feel free to chime in if you know anything	[07:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62798165 = 3.7679 BTC [+] {5}	[07:26]
benkay	http://getpopcornti.me/	[07:27]
benkay	amazed it took so long.	[07:27]
benkay	;;lasers	[07:27]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[07:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62999 = 1.26 BTC [+]	[07:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+] {3}	[07:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell antephialtic https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/443355527364739072 yet something tells me he's no different from all the other bitcoin noobs in imagining he knows better and etc bla bla yadda yadda	[14:00]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	11 trn isk ~= 1k btc irc	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 111012 / 3010**9	[14:03]
gribble	366666666666666688512	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	haha nanotube why does gribble mess up ?	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 11(1012) / 30(10**9)	[14:04]
gribble	366666666666666688512	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	;;calc (11(1012)) / (30(10**9))	[14:04]
gribble	366.666666667	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	nm, it's not gribble it's me.	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ~350 btc worth of isk ships and whatnot.	[14:05]
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moiety	mew :)	[14:08]
moiety	or ʍǝɯ mircea_popescu!	[14:14]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	let the permanent record reflect that kuka is a piece of shit scam rather than a robot manufacturer, and that they made a bunch of fake news which resulted in http://bitbet.us/bet/760/kuka-table-tennis-robot-to-beat-human/ having to be cancelled.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	never buy anything from these fuckwits, they don't deserve to survive.	[14:28]
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nubbins`	OH FUCK THIS IS A PERMANENT RECORD	[14:31]
nubbins`	D;	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	:D	[14:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0064 = 0.128 BTC [+]	[14:32]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` ten years later, multi-billion dollar business doesn't understand for the life of it why it can't sell anything anymore.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	does more social media bs, buys more deadmedia advertising, nothing	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	eventually goes away.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	at least cisco knew what hit it.	[14:34]
nubbins`	i prefer the term antisocial media for trees/teevees	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	asocial i guess	[14:35]
nubbins`	that works	[14:35]
cazalla	i don't know whether to feel stupid for being duped by kuka or whether i should've known better	[14:36]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno dood. they seemed reasonably sane to begin with, german robotics maker with 1 bn in revenue worldwide	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	i closed the internal investigation without prejudice.	[14:37]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/average-student-debt-difficult-to-pay-off-delays-life-milestones-1.2534974	[14:44]
ozbot	Average student debt difficult to pay off, delays life milestones - Canada - CBC News	[14:44]
nubbins`	"Verge originally intended to become a teacher, but changed her mind after one year at Memorial University. She spent the next two years at Nova Scotia Community College completing a photography program, hoping to become a photojournalist."	[14:44]
nubbins`	no fucking shit she can't pay off her student loans	[14:44]
nubbins`	"Verge dicked around for three years on borrowed money at an average cost of $24/day"	[14:44]
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TomServo	Verge?!	[14:45]
nubbins`	"Verge's husband is currently pursuing a masters in history at Saint Mary's University in Halifax and hopes to continue into a PhD program. "	[14:46]
nubbins`	groan	[14:46]
nubbins`	yep, that'll bring in the bucks	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	$24 ? that's not that bad is it ?	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	i think i spend that much on stockings	[14:47]
nubbins`	sure, but you make money	[14:50]
nubbins`	"If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, namely being more certain of what she wanted to study before spending $8,000 on a year's worth of university tuition, books and living costs."	[14:50]
Neil	Yeah that kuka thing was a letdown. I was looking forward to having sthg interesting to watch when I got back home.	[14:51]
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Neil	Clearly kuka not even close to being able to cut the mustard	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` "If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, like hooking up with guys that beat her into sense and spend $24 a day on stockings alone rather than the current looser she's hitched with"	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	fifh	[14:58]
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moiety	so is the new production place in china a bunch of BS then?	[14:58]
moiety	re kuka**	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	moiety depends what the ad copywriter was eating that day	[14:58]
moiety	fuck	[14:59]
moiety	asshats everywhere	[15:00]
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moiety	http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/216576/heres-a-selfie-from-1920/ something cheery	[15:00]
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moiety	" It took two people to hold the camera, probably because it was heavy as fuck."	[15:02]
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asciilifeform	'graduated in 2008 with about $25,000 of debt — just about the national average. More than five years later, she has only managed to pay back about $2,000.' << where did this kid work - Butugychag?	[15:08]
Neil	mircea_popescu: I don't remember you taking a 1% fee on such cancellations before on Bitbet.	[15:10]
asciilifeform	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gen-y-struggles-in-expensive-housing-rental-market-1.2102109	[15:13]
ozbot	Gen Y struggles in expensive housing, rental market - Canada - CBC News	[15:13]
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moiety	asciilifeform: here, you don't have to pay back your student loans until you earn over X amount	[15:17]
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asciilifeform	wonder how many of these folks would theoretically accept a russian passport and guaranteed metallurgical work in norilsk.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	they'd get $LOAN richer just by sending the creditors to pound sand up their arses.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	and the 'college' racket could finally implode.	[15:21]
moiety	it becomes a lifestyle for some doing degree after degree, never actually working	[15:24]
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cazalla	moiety: are you from australia?	[15:26]
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moiety	Scotland, Uk cazalla	[15:27]
cazalla	they do that here in australia, a lot of graduates take jobs that pay under the threshold as to avoid paying back the debt	[15:27]
moiety	yep same, all the time. that or they just sign up for another degree	[15:28]
moiety	i know one guy who did Politics, then Mental Health Nursing and now plans on a Philosophy degree	[15:29]
moiety	actually writes an anti-psychiatry anarchist blog	[15:30]
cazalla	i'm a high school drop out, my brother has a degree (medicinal chemistry)	[15:30]
cazalla	he makes sammages at subway heh	[15:31]
moiety	i would bite your hand off to go to uni ... but in my own time. worked since 14. it doesn't make you less of a person at all, they just like you to think so	[15:31]
moiety	lol @ the contradiction of medicinal and subway :)	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	Neil i don't think it akes any fee does it ?	[15:33]
cazalla	tx fee i think he means	[15:33]
moiety	http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/11/nigel-thew-brighton-worker-sacked-after-throwing-drunk-passenger-off-bus-in-saltdean-east-sussex-4518578	[15:33]
ozbot	Nigel Thew: Brighton worker sacked after throwing drunk passenger off bus in Saltdean, East Sussex \|	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	" Police in Danville are investigating the theft of more than $15,000 worth of manhole covers that were stolen from various parts of the city"	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	almost enough to pay for college	[15:34]
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CheckDavid	cazalla: if you get a shitty job you don't have to pay debt?	[15:35]
cazalla	shipped to china like all the copper that gets knocked off i guess?	[15:35]
moiety	i know a guy who was trying to flirt with a girl a few years ago by giving her some bitcoins.... she contacted him when they hit $1k to tell him, she paid for her college tuition with them :)	[15:35]
cazalla	CheckDavid: you are only required to begin paying the debt once you earn over x amount	[15:35]
asciilifeform	'Having bits of the landscape disappear can be a rude surprise. One summer I arrived in St. Petersburg and found that a new scourge had descended on the land while I was gone: a lot of manhole covers were mysteriously missing. Nobody knew where they went or who profited from their removal. One guess was that the municipal workers, who hadn't been paid in months, took them home with them, to be returned once the	[15:35]
asciilifeform	y got paid. They did eventually reappear, so there may be some merit to this theory. With the gaping manholes positioned throughout the city like so many anteater traps for cars, you had the choice of driving either very slowly and carefully, or very fast, and betting your life on the proper functioning of the shock absorbers.'	[15:35]
asciilifeform	- orlov's 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century'	[15:36]
CheckDavid	cazalla: who issues the loan? Government?	[15:36]
cazalla	CheckDavid: yes	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid they're sort-of govt backed in most places.	[15:37]
asciilifeform	it's all fun'n'games until the boat girls mount DSHKs and hoist the black flag.	[15:37]
moiety	cazalla: i think you guys have certain degrees that never get fees at all, like nursing, right? bursary instead to get people to do it	[15:37]
CheckDavid	I see. Because I guess banks wouldn't care that much	[15:37]
moiety	we do here	[15:37]
asciilifeform	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/TGJgBld9ziI/AAAAAAAACn0/KNS-17rr0Bk/s1600/img634170544374531250.JPG	[15:37]
asciilifeform	fits great. don't need a gigantic tub	[15:38]
cazalla	moiety: not sure if any are exempt but you can go back again and again to rack up more debt	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	Neil no 1% was charged (site does indicate that, but it's erroneous). the tx is 3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c once it propagates you can check it.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that looks like it could propel the boat, in a spot.	[15:40]
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asciilifeform	it never ceases to amaze me how the 'excess people' make so little trouble, 'going gently into the good night'	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[15:42]
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mircea_popescu	it's like "it never ceases to amaze me how the impotent never rape anyone". well of course not. if they could they wouldn't be impotent.	[15:42]
asciilifeform	they can't all be impotent	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	well no, but that's besides the point : they are all excess, as per your definition.	[15:44]
asciilifeform	if starving boat grls, where the hell are the jacqueries, i ask.	[15:45]
asciilifeform	where are the mass migrations	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	curretnly the mass migrations are from sane places to idiotic places,	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	which is actually the greatest boon on the developing world : all those mexicans, arabs etc leeching the welfare states aren't doing it so they may be us or eu citizens etc	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	they're doing it because a fool and his resources are soon partying, and once the party's over they'll just go back home and start their own renaissances.	[15:48]
asciilifeform	i meant - of the boatgirls.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	what's a boat girl ?	[15:49]
asciilifeform	pictured here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gen-y-struggles-in-expensive-housing-rental-market-1.2102109	[15:49]
asciilifeform	(linked from earlier piece)	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	“Zero transaction fees is the future,” Li said. According to him, the freemium business model is the new norm of the twenty-first century, and no industry, not even financial services, is safe from its disruption.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	haha she's a boat alright.	[15:50]
asciilifeform	big empty space in the middle for DSHK.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	i'll trade ya http://25.media.tumblr.com/21b2acb5bf1b8edc7b9633e6ee0acc72/tumblr_mqayfocu1s1rg2jxoo1_1280.jpg	[15:50]
asciilifeform	deal.	[15:50]
chetty_	http://rt.com/news/ukraine-mp-abducted-threatened-882/	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform your chick's not putting a machine gun in the middle for the same reason she's not getting laid	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	too much hassle.	[15:51]
asciilifeform	betcha she gets laid plenty.	[15:51]
chetty_	I'll hang you by the balls and have you f***ed' – Ukrainian presidential hopeful abducts pro-Russian MP	[15:51]
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mircea_popescu	lol nice	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform deal.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	how we check ?	[15:52]
asciilifeform	chetty_: possibly of interest - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-crimean-crisis-and-western-bias.html	[15:52]
chetty_	I gave up reading about it, its all disinfo anyway, I just liked that headline	[15:52]
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ThickAsThieves	so these bigfoot guys wanna promote bitcoin on the streets or whatever, and this is the brochure they come up with... http://bitcoinbigfoot.com/showcasing-plan-b-brochure-mock/	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	2/3 is just logos	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	then 10 or so bullet points, and more logos	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	fucking idiots	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	comments are better	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	"Love what your doing but I see you do not send to the UK. My company are about to leash a few ATMs on the UK and would love to get a hold of perhaps your ai or pdf so I could print some off to give to everyone who is attending our launch in Feb."	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, there's tons of these outfits consisting of basically one guy and his adobe illustrator pretending to be in some form mass movements.	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	BitPremier is one of the logos	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	i'd love nothing more than contact with a large club of street people, but these muppets ain't it.	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	wtf	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	gimme detroit's grafitti artist club.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	gimme the seattle bladers association	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	gimme something i can use	[15:57]
chetty_	well tons of single guys does sorta make a mass ....something	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	a two tone brochure i can have made in a half hour	[15:57]
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asciilifeform	mass in the physical sense, perhaps	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	chetty_ tons of single guys with delusions of leadership, self-importance and whatever else makes maybe a ton of twitter accounts	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	but not hing useful.	[15:58]
chetty_	well mass ----something could wll be mass pile o shit	[15:58]
asciilifeform	1) mass 2) ??? 3) lenin 4) profit!1!!1	[15:58]
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asciilifeform	(for the nitpickers, notice that i said 'profit!1!!1', not 'profit.')	[15:59]
cazalla	don't you mean profit!1!1!oneeleven!11	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	hi guise im eleven and what is this11	[16:01]
asciilifeform	at some point the lost souls will add up to a destructive mess, the question is when.	[16:02]
chetty_	yesterday	[16:02]
asciilifeform	nah	[16:02]
asciilifeform	festering != destructive	[16:03]
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asciilifeform	these folks aren't disintegrating lepers, they're able-bodied creatures who could in principle create actual problems if they felt like it.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	how do you know they will ?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	no, they're disintegrating lepers.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	how do you know they will << hey don't look at me, i'm not their lenin. naturally i don't know. but historical parallels.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	no such thing.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	these people can't even say nigger.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	perhaps they could learn.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	perhaps it'd cost more to learn than they're worth.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	disintegrating lepers could also heal.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	surely that girl could learn to pull a trigger, for example.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	or at least service the fellow who does	[16:06]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu would appear to be right, none of the traditional 'bubbling of rebellion' is happening, as far as i can see	[16:07]
asciilifeform	but i'm curious why.	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	no, she could not. how could she ?	[16:09]
chetty_	hahahaha:The municipal bond rating for Peoria has been downgraded	[16:09]
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nubbins`	asciilifeform: she defaulted on her federal loans and has her wages garnishes, that's why she's only paid back $2k in 5 years	[16:16]
nubbins`	$33/mo	[16:16]
artifexd	http://sha256coins.com/sample-page/atc-altcoin/	[16:16]
ozbot	ATC – Altcoin \| SHA-256 Coins	[16:16]
nubbins`	think about that -- paying off a $25,000 loan at $33/mo	[16:17]
nubbins`	hope the photography "course" was worth it ;p	[16:17]
nubbins`	TBH i don't think they should give loans for degrees/diplomas in navel gazing	[16:18]
nubbins`	you want a student loan to learn a skilled trade? sure, here ya go	[16:19]
nubbins`	you want one to get your PhD in history? get fucked	[16:19]
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ninjashogun	nubbins`, how do you feel about a personal loan to develop a proprietary hardware tech past proof of concept stage?	[16:24]
nubbins`	less than enthusiastic	[16:24]
ninjashogun	(which is what I've been looking for 3-4 weeks since receiving angel demo invites)	[16:24]
ninjashogun	how come?	[16:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00086731 = 7.1119 BTC [-] {2}	[16:24]
nubbins`	because i have no reason to believe that you're capable of anything besides hanging around here and bumming for money	[16:24]
ninjashogun	it's the same thing - something marketable that needs something up-front. You can't just ask people to speculate, you should extend the possibility of a loan to cover information asymmetry and personal responsibiilty. I wouldn't be gamblign with otehr people's money	[16:25]
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nubbins`	at least you keep trying	[16:25]
ThickAsThieves	loans are generally something to be unenthusiastic about	[16:25]
ninjashogun	nubbins` - fair enough. I've personally developed the proof of concept using vision software as well as embedded electronics with an arduino	[16:25]
nubbins`	;;gettrust ninjashogun	[16:25]
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ThickAsThieves	loans for convenience are okay i guess	[16:25]
nubbins`	ninjashogun: you need to realize that what you're saying means nothing to anyone here	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	but loans on hopes and dreams, not so much	[16:26]
nubbins`	bitcoin is littered with the corpses of people who had better ideas and more resources than you	[16:26]
ninjashogun	nubbins`, that's not true. I guarantee 100% that there are people int his channel who know what vision algorithms are, and what electronics engineering and embedded programmigng are. 100% guaranteed.	[16:26]
nubbins`	no, you misunderstand	[16:26]
ninjashogun	(those are just two examples of the tech I've used.)	[16:26]
nubbins`	it's the fact that YOU are saying it	[16:26]
nubbins`	you're a nobody	[16:27]
nubbins`	and generally, adults don't give free money to nobodies with "ideas"	[16:27]
ninjashogun	nubbins`, but nubbins doesn't mean anything to me either.	[16:27]
nubbins`	okay, so?	[16:27]
nubbins`	i'm not asking you for a wheelbarrow of cash	[16:27]
ThickAsThieves	he didnt ask for monet	[16:27]
ninjashogun	It's not an "idea', first of all, I'm working on a company that was founded mroe than a year ago and has assigned IP as well as fullz developed prototypes that prove concept, using vision, some robotics elements, arduino, etc.	[16:28]
nubbins`	blah blah blah	[16:28]
nubbins`	same thing every time	[16:28]
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nubbins`	people tell you precisely why they will never, ever give you money	[16:28]
nubbins`	and you try to argue that it's in their best interest to do so	[16:28]
ninjashogun	No, I do not argue it's in anyone's best interest, absolutely not.	[16:28]
nubbins`	it's like a child convincing dad that a can of frosting is a good idea for lunch	[16:28]
nubbins`	why are you wasting your time asking over and over?	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	ninja how old are you	[16:29]
ninjashogun	I am looking for something similar to what I found before, which is someone who is interested in exploring the idea with me and would do so without necessarily having any big personal interest in it, other than obviously not losing money on it.	[16:29]
nubbins`	you won't find what you're looking for here	[16:29]
nubbins`	i guarantee it	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	why did the last people leave?	[16:29]
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ninjashogun	So, it was not people, it was one person, and he didn't leave but continues to express 'definite' interest (we've prepared loan paperwork, etc). I!ve pressed several times for a firm closure and he's repeated definite interest (instead of taking the chance to say, look, it's not that interesting to him)	[16:30]
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ninjashogun	The main reason I ask here is because it is people who are technical (almost by definition), have early vision and interest (almost by definition) and in many cases have enough funds that they can consider helping me on such a basis. Some people ahve been interested but the amount is too larger for them, I understand but that is nto the kind of person I'm lookiing for.	[16:31]
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ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	just stop	[16:31]
nubbins`	^	[16:31]
nubbins`	this, a thousand times this	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	Georgia Becomes First State in History to Pass the Convention of States Application	[16:32]
nubbins`	which georgia?	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	http://www.conventionofstates.com/news/georgia-becomes-first-state-history-pass-convention-states-application	[16:32]
ozbot	Georgia Becomes First State in History to Pass the Convention of States Application \| Convention of	[16:32]
bitcoinpete	Markus Ortman, "COO of Bitcoin", explains all to Conan:	[16:33]
bitcoinpete	http://teamcoco.com/video/bitcoin-explaination	[16:33]
ozbot	Bitcoin's COO Explains What Bitcoin Is @ TeamCoco.com	[16:33]
nubbins`	ah, interesting	[16:33]
Diablo-D3	who the fuck is markus ortman	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	what is this convention?	[16:33]
Diablo-D3	never heard of him	[16:34]
ThickAsThieves	it's a joke	[16:34]
bitcoinpete	Diablo-D3: he's made-up	[16:34]
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Diablo-D3	I dont find jokes funny.	[16:34]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: the dissolution begins	[16:34]
Diablo-D3	Lets light this guy on fire for being a heretic.	[16:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00086713 = 7.8319 BTC [-] {2}	[16:34]
bitcoinpete	and howdy	[16:35]
ThickAsThieves	yeah the coco thing isnt funny	[16:36]
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mircea_popescu	I dont find jokes funny. << lol	[16:37]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/the_ballad_of_bitcoin_jesus_the_tech_millionaire_evangelist_who_fears_for_his_life/	[16:38]
ozbot	The ballad of “Bitcoin Jesus”: The tech millionaire who fears for his life - Salon.com	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	see that's funny	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	"I have sworn not to write the name of the island where Roger Ver is currently residing, the reason being that he fears for his life."	[16:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086745 = 15.2671 BTC [+] {2}	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	"Satoshi Nakamoto — who, it turns out, is an elderly Japanese man by the same name, "	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	...	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	“The U.S. is making it extremely difficult for me to stop being American.”	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:40]
bitcoinpete	that's actually way funnier	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	"The discontentment is also there when he talks about the first time he was arrested, at 18"	[16:40]
bitcoinpete	conan was only indicative of where the middle is, or isn't	[16:40]
ninjashogun	"Bitcoin was not created by Satashi Nakamoto, but by another man of the same name."	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	which jesus is this one, #6 ?	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	Jesus Ver	[16:42]
nubbins`	http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/black-jesus-sacred.jpeg	[16:42]
nubbins`	jesus 0	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	whoa	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	black males can be single ?	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	i thought that was genetically impossible	[16:43]
nubbins`	jesus was single?	[16:44]
*	nubbins` raises eyebrow	[16:44]
jurov	ssh spiral	[16:45]
nubbins`	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/10/Gay-Black-Republican-Selling-Guns-Online-for-Bitcoin	[16:48]
ozbot	Meet the Gay Black Republican Selling Guns Online for Bitcoin	[16:48]
nubbins`	i know all those words, but...	[16:48]
*	nubbins` scratches head	[16:48]
nubbins`	...i didn't think you could put them together like that	[16:48]
bitcoinpete	"Bitcoin enthusiasts don’t generally spend any time thinking about privilege. But greater computer literacy among the poor and easier-to-use interfaces, along with addressing tech’s gender problems should be a goal we all strive toward."	[16:49]
bitcoinpete	http://cathyreisenwitz.com/blog/2014/03/11/bitcoins-actual-privilege-problems/	[16:50]
bitcoinpete	"t’s not essential, or possible, that the privilege crowd fully understand bitcoin or that the bitcoin crowd fully understand privilege. What would be very helpful, however, is for both parties to admit the vast sums which comprise what they do not know."	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	wait what.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is like distilled privilege what the fuck is she on about.	[16:52]
nubbins`	one of the nice things about privilege is that you don't need to be aware of it	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	but im keenly aware of it.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	that's the point of fucking bitcoin : to put privilege above the reach of the unprivileged.	[16:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00620739 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {5}	[16:53]
nubbins`	ehhh, it's not privilege unless you were born into it	[16:53]
bitcoinpete	and there's more. it's fuckin privilege day	[16:53]
nubbins`	you saw something that was a good idea and you bought in. that's not privilege, it's sense	[16:54]
bitcoinpete	"You would have to be living under a rock feasting solely on anti-Bitcoin propaganda to think that Bitcoin is only about making money and oppressing the lesser privileged."	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	lol look at that, she has no comments section.	[16:54]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11003/bitcoin-post-privilege-pro-human-rights/	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	i was gonna let her know we were just talking about her.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2014#554683	[16:54]
bitcoinpete	You can let MK Lords know: https://twitter.com/BitcoinNotBombs	[16:55]
bitcoinpete	"If we really want perspective on privilege, the global implications of an easy to use payment system must be taken into account for its efficiency in providing aid directly to people all over the world—especially disadvantaged women, many of which must raise families on low resources while their partner finds work in more economically healthy areas."	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	they're beyond clueless.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	but ah well. most idiots manage to become useful in some manner.	[16:57]
bitcoinpete	"Bitcoin cannot possibly be limited to only the privileged as anyone (even people in Kenya) can gain access to it through standard cell phones, a tool which the developing world has increasing access to."	[16:58]
bitcoinpete	and they keep going...	[16:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [+]	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	yeah, totally.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	the ease of access is totally not a tool of privilege.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	like say, the tv. anyone even in kenya can get a tv.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	thus therefore, the tv is highly democratic :D	[16:58]
bitcoinpete	tv=voting	[16:59]
mike_c	http://www.ariannasimpson.com/this-is-what-its-like-to-be-a-woman-at-a-bitcoin-meetup/	[17:00]
ozbot	This is what it's like to be a woman at a Bitcoin meetup - Arianna Simpson	[17:00]
mike_c	being a guy is so much easier.	[17:00]
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mircea_popescu	i left her a comment	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	shitty blog interface tho	[17:04]
mike_c	yeah, wordpress. what can you do ;)	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dood, my wp doesn't suck	[17:08]
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mike_c	you gotta upgrade to get the suck	[17:09]
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ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/03/call-for-acid-bath-stem-cell-paper-to-be-retracted.html	[17:10]
ozbot	Call for acid-bath stem-cell paper to be retracted : Nature News Blog	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629999 BTC [+]	[17:10]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah srsly.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	sooo... the rift people added a new profession, which is cool.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	however to rank it up you need noob materials, which stressed the ufck out of the market.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	noobs being noobs are too stupid to beeline for the generators and feed th hunger of the uberrich privileged maxlvl players	[17:12]
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chetty_	http://www.finra.org/Investors/ProtectYourself/InvestorAlerts/FraudsAndScams/P456458?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fb	[17:12]
ozbot	Investor Alert - Bitcoin: More than a Bit Risky - FINRA	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	and so here i am, lvl 60, one hitting lvl 6 mobs with my DOT	[17:12]
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Neil	mircea_popescu: Great. I'd have thought (apart from signatures) the site it automated, including transaction generation. I guess someone corrected it?	[17:15]
rbones	.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	Neil it's not automated.	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	it's highly human supervised.	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	from finra "If no one accepts bitcoins, bitcoins will become worthless."	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	genius	[17:17]
Neil	lol	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	"digital wallets can be hacked"	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	...	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	that's really the extent of that comment too	[17:18]
Neil	I'll always accept bitcoin, if only to bet on bitbet	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	"Purchases can be refunded, but that depends solely on the willingness of the establishment to do so."	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	and the law?	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	they act like everything is so absolute	[17:19]
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Neil	Bitbet seems better arb-ed than 9 months ago.	[17:20]
mike_c	for example?	[17:20]
Neil	Well there was easy money before in the difficulty bets; no longer the case.	[17:21]
mike_c	TaT stopped donating	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	Neil tbh it always was pretty well arbed, in the sense that i occasionally try taking one side and i have yet to come to a situation where i wasn't covered properly by the other side	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	even on obscure bets a la halep	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	it's just people are control freaks and want to MAKE SURE	[17:21]
Neil	Shitty turnouts like SDICE and Gox 1Mar wiped out my profits...	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04265 = 0.1706 BTC [+] {2}	[17:22]
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mircea_popescu	so that prevents them from betting (like say http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c2574 )	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	in a sense bitbet acts like the exact oposite of the doctrine of gpg contracts	[17:23]
Neil	The sky-high BTC price bets are always interesting psychologically	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	in that it's quite safe to go "i bet x btc on this and expect the other side to work out the odds"	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	but i meant specifically the guy's concern re calculating final odds	[17:24]
Neil	Yes, to some extent the other side will come in to make up the odds (witness the recent CME bets) but there's still some friction. The large CME bets were ballsy and I guess should be worse than evens but an equal amount to the opening bet hasn't come in yet.	[17:25]
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Neil	Perhaps my judgment of the odds is off.	[17:25]
mike_c	but.. why place a wager and then let someone else set the odds.	[17:26]
Neil	mike_c: coz you think you know better I suspect.	[17:26]
Neil	Actually the iron ore has more on the other side now. Hadn't noticed but that makes sense.	[17:27]
Neil	mike_c: Also the odds on both sides are somewhat random; it's not as if you can fix them given subsequent bettors	[17:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00364 = 0.3276 BTC [-] {2}	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	Neil it's months out tho	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	it only matters whst the pool is at end	[17:29]
Neil	If BTC > $10k resolves as yes it'll be the biggest fiat bet yet	[17:29]
Neil	yup	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	nah, there was a 2k pool one when btc was 1.2k	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	so that was like 2.5mn almost	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	http://promotions.newegg.com/HDD/14-0860/696x288.jpg	[17:31]
Neil	I wonder how long until a bitbet user suffers a MITM attack on the send-to address display	[17:32]
mike_c	^ i have wondered about that.	[17:32]
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ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinpride.com/t-shirts/featured/bitcoin-miner.html	[17:32]
ozbot	Bitcoin T-Shirt \| Bitcoin Shirts & Tees - Bitcoin Pride Bitcoin Miner - Featured - T-Shirts	[17:32]
Neil	I'd feel much better if that bit were https	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	someone stole graphics	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	Neil it's discussed periodically. you can always test before you send	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	as in, send a few bitcents first before your bet	[17:33]
Neil	You have a point for the bigger bets. But hardly ideal. Why expose your users?	[17:33]
artifexd	TAT: My wife bought that shirt for me. So many custom tshirt sites print on shitty quality shirts. This one was a good quality tshirt.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	Neil what, i'm not telling them to be mitm'd.	[17:34]
mike_c	https doesn't cure all	[17:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.0427 = 0.7686 BTC [+]	[17:34]
Neil	https makes it much harder unless I'm missing something.	[17:34]
mike_c	you are. i believe mitm is the most popular way to attack https.	[17:35]
diametric	yeah the effort required would make it not really worth it.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	diametric arguable, because false reliance would sweeten the pot.	[17:35]
diametric	satoshi dice would be much easier to MITM	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	on a naked system like bitbet people know what the risks are	[17:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00086667 = 5.1567 BTC [-] {2}	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	on a pseudosecure system like https people misrepresent them	[17:36]
diametric	mircea_popescu: thats true	[17:36]
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Neil	mircea_popescu: So you have no intention of improving the address thing, even if it starts to be taken advantage of?	[17:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00373 = 0.1492 BTC [+]	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	Neil once it gets taken advantage of it'll be changed	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	maybe add signed addresses	[17:37]
Neil	Hmm.	[17:37]
diametric	Satoshi dice would be very easy to attack since it's blocked in the US, which causes most US visitors to use TOR, which is easy to MITM especially since Satoshi Dice doesn't use https.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	not that anyone'll bother checking anyway	[17:37]
diametric	Then you simply need to create the 1DICE vantiy addresses and MITM replace them on load	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00086842 = 11.4492 BTC [+]	[17:37]
Neil	I would if sending > 5 BTC	[17:38]
diametric	Hell, you could even implement the proper gambling and make people think they're just losing all the time.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	Neil what's wrong with just sending a few bitcents ?	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	you can literally verify it this way.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	if you were mitm'd either it doesn't show	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	or if the gy is really evil and it does show, it won't show as per your txid	[17:38]
Neil	Well, the main site could suffer the MITM too. Harder again, yes.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	so check off a diff connection what.	[17:39]
Neil	I could fly to Romania too!	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	send 0.05, go to library, load page, come back send your 5btc or w/e	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	what, just becayse better internet here?	[17:39]
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mike_c	it's closer to the server, harder to get mitm'd	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	not really that much closer i dont think	[17:41]
Neil	mircea_popescu: Visit kako, place the bet in person over a beer of course	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	anyway : all it takes for stupid "solutions" to take over the world is for people who know better to use them anwyay.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	i will never, under any circumstances and for any reason use https as if it were secure.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	i don't care that it's "somewhat better".	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	either it solves the problem and then i buy it, or else it does not and then i do not buy it.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	i don't buy "sorta" solutions.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	god forbid i ever get cancer, the doctors will have a fucking handful with me	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	"so does this cure it ? " "well... maybe..." "fu."	[17:42]
jurov	forget https. most sites use email as if it was secure	[17:42]
Neil	mircea_popescu: What happens to MPEX if you're run over by a bus?	[17:43]
jurov	Neil i'll hire mercenaries and go to timisoara to take it over	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:43]
jurov	:DDDD	[17:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00600016 = 1.8 BTC [-] {6}	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i suppose goldman sachs' ll run it.	[17:44]
Neil	I worked there once.	[17:45]
mike_c	mitm ssl:	[17:45]
mike_c	http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslsniff/	[17:45]
ozbot	Moxie Marlinspike >> Software >> sslsniff	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00086549 = 1.9664 BTC [-]	[17:47]
diametric	mike_c: you'll note that to deploy that successfully, and not make the browser shit red warnings everywhere, you'll need a forged cert.	[17:47]
jurov	diametric or unpatched apple/linux machine	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	forged certs are a matter of course	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	jut impersonate cloudflare	[17:48]
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bitcoinpete	Speaking of cloudflare	[17:49]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/443409899687399424	[17:49]
ozbot	Twitter / bitcoinpete: Check out @blockchain being ...	[17:49]
mike_c	cloudflare is breaking the internet one stupid site at a time.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[17:50]
Apocalyptic	.d	[17:50]
ozbot	3.816 billion \| Next Diff in 247 blocks \| Estimated Change: 10.3029% in 1d 12h 40m 57s	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	it's like... between cloudflare, what's that fucktardec omments thing	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	disqus	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	web is slowly dieing the death of a thousand idiots.	[17:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00086532 = 24.6616 BTC [-] {3}	[17:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00364 = 0.233 BTC [-] {3}	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	lmao check out this guy	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5637500#msg5637500	[17:58]
ozbot	[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus	[17:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share	[17:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07419943 = 1.113 BTC [+] {4}	[18:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.99778525 BTC to 13`595 shares, 14695 satoshi per share	[18:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17666 @ 0.00086842 = 15.3415 BTC [+]	[18:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00600001 = 0.204 BTC [-]	[18:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00600001 = 0.276 BTC [-]	[18:04]
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thestringpuller	disqus is still a thing?	[18:05]
thestringpuller	i thought by now it went the way of geocities	[18:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.041789 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3}	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	no because chicks with college debt and no prospects keep adding it to their blogs	[18:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0415 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}	[18:06]
dexX7	good thing that i use ghostery + adblock	[18:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04125 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {2}	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2}	[18:08]
mike_c	i wish there were a one stop shop where i could find a veterinarian, a therapist, and a hedge fund manager.	[18:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00373314 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {5}	[18:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}	[18:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0037651 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {5}	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[18:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00388252 = 0.1009 BTC [+] {4}	[18:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00389978 = 0.2223 BTC [+] {2}	[18:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04057142 = 0.284 BTC [-] {4}	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	"Line to GET IN the security line is wrapped around the check-in area of the Austin airport. "	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	maybe they should hire sony	[18:15]
deadweasel	DrGregMullface was so funny that I'm now getting 502 for the forums.	[18:16]
dexX7	haha	[18:16]
dexX7	the forum is gettinmg 502 for more than a month now from time to time :S	[18:16]
dexX7	www.onename.io considers to add bitcointalk and wot	[18:17]
dexX7	kinda tells where those people came from	[18:17]
dexX7	or not came from	[18:17]
wao-ender	oh, namecoin project?	[18:17]
wao-ender	i'm totally supporting them	[18:17]
dexX7	it looks shiny	[18:17]
deadweasel	wow, takes 9 developers to display a QR code	[18:18]
Apocalyptic	hum nobody squatted 'mircea_popescu' yet	[18:18]
wao-ender	:D	[18:18]
dexX7	somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification. like: you claim you are mp and insert his twitter handle, but to proof it, you'd need to post a verification tweet	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	meh there's in principle 5k "services" like that and no barrier to entry	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	tomorrow it'll be 1name.cx or w/e	[18:20]
Apocalyptic	somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification // well if someone regged the u/* entry i wonder how can they claim it back	[18:21]
Apocalyptic	it's not like they can enforce anything at this point	[18:21]
wao-ender	v0v, i'm there! so social	[18:22]
dexX7	i have no idea how it works under the hood	[18:22]
wao-ender	it's namespace u/ in namecoin?	[18:22]
Apocalyptic	yes	[18:23]
Apocalyptic	https://www.onename.io/mircea_popescu	[18:23]
Apocalyptic	lol, someone just regged it	[18:23]
wao-ender	lol	[18:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086842 = 7.4615 BTC [+]	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.006 = 0.354 BTC [-] {2}	[18:24]
dexX7	yesterday someone said this is trash. any insight why?	[18:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.00587222 = 0.276 BTC [-] {4}	[18:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 94 @ 0.00576181 = 0.5416 BTC [-] {5}	[18:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.040115 = 0.8023 BTC [-] {2}	[18:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63055 = 1.2611 BTC [+] {2}	[18:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00389978 = 0.5616 BTC [+] {6}	[18:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06700013 = 0.469 BTC [-] {2}	[18:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700013 = 0.335 BTC [-]	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3}	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0405 = 0.81 BTC [+]	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700006 = 0.335 BTC [-] {3}	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0405 = 0.324 BTC [+]	[18:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700007 = 0.201 BTC [+]	[18:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0405625 = 0.1623 BTC [+] {2}	[18:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]	[18:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.0008682 = 18.1888 BTC [+] {2}	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla how about linking bitbet bet income/outbound to blockr ?	[19:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [+]	[19:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00086927 = 17.2985 BTC [+] {3}	[19:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087025 = 15.0988 BTC [+]	[19:19]
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benkay	this morning at the café, some nice lady is standing next to the air pot, idling, hoping for attention	[19:25]
benkay	i go for coffe, she informs me that this air pot is empty	[19:26]
benkay	so what is to be done but put the empty one on the counter and pop the cherry on the new one	[19:26]
benkay	why can nobody do anything for themselves?	[19:26]
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mike_c	what the hell is an air pot?	[19:26]
mike_c	ah. i did for myself and googled	[19:27]
mike_c	hey benkay, did you ever end up making that rent short happen?	[19:27]
benkay	nope	[19:28]
benkay	!t h rent	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00570000 / 0.00595958 / 0.00654999 (457 shares, 2.72352803 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00558308 / 0.00900001 (28720 shares, 160.34603001 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00554085 / 0.00900001 (58409 shares, 323.63553001 BTC)	[19:28]
benkay	cuz i r lazy	[19:28]
benkay	and fukken	[19:28]
benkay	busy	[19:28]
mike_c	it popped up, but is sliding back.	[19:28]
benkay	still noodling on a 6 month put basically	[19:28]
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mike_c	meh, just buy more btc. it would be slightly better.	[19:29]
benkay	yeah.	[19:29]
benkay	i've already decided on that strategy. i think rent plays are a red herring.	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1001 @ 0.00017531 = 0.1755 BTC [-] {13}	[19:29]
benkay	plus, what do i look like, a trader?!	[19:29]
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mike_c	wheeler & dealer	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3999 @ 0.0001705 = 0.6818 BTC [-] {5}	[19:30]
benkay	so when do the big markets start to price in the taper?	[19:31]
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benkay	when does the taper even kick in?	[19:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389978 = 0.195 BTC [+]	[19:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0744241 = 2.1583 BTC [+] {7}	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13014 @ 0.00086487 = 11.2554 BTC [-] {2}	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7178 @ 0.00086389 = 6.201 BTC [-]	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.006 = 2.694 BTC [-]	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	there's no taper.	[19:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086634 = 10.8293 BTC [+]	[20:16]
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dexX7	hey guise what do you think about a blockchain postcard service? users submit a message which is then posted via op_return. i bet some devs would love the idea! :D	[20:25]
benkay	ipo it to the moon	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	i thought this existed.	[20:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-peeconomy/	[20:39]
ozbot	The peeconomy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11725 @ 0.00086955 = 10.1955 BTC [+] {2}	[20:39]
dexX7	brb creating cryptostocks ipo account	[20:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04075 = 0.2038 BTC [-]	[20:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0409 = 0.2045 BTC [+]	[20:49]
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mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/CandaceBushnell.png omfg look at this troll	[20:58]
dexX7	"the ugly who became a writer instead of cum sucking slut"?	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	well... "writer"	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	she's a sorta leah, and as we all know it sucks to be leah	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.613802 = 6.138 BTC [-] {6}	[21:01]
dexX7	well, i can't say that anything i ever wrote lead to a tv serie	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.59465477 = 58.2762 BTC [-] {30}	[21:02]
the20year2	Are there any bitcoin businesses that are using GAAP-approved accounting?	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	if i ever watched tv perhaps that'd sound like a lot more.	[21:02]
dexX7	don't, it's usually not worth	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 the bitcoin standard is the an0.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	even simplyfied as it is, very few actually use it.	[21:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.57480927 = 52.8825 BTC [-] {24}	[21:03]
the20year2	When did the bitcoin foundation approve an0?	[21:03]
dexX7	since when does create the foundation standards?	[21:03]
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mircea_popescu	the who ?	[21:03]
dexX7	^ :D	[21:03]
the20year2	Isn't the client maintained by the foundation?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[21:04]
the20year2	So, what's special about your accounting format?	[21:04]
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mircea_popescu	that it's the bitcoin standard.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	what's so special about the gaap ?	[21:04]
the20year2	It's accepted by a country with a 17t economy plus other economies resulting over 25t of gdp	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	right	[21:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.57 = 13.68 BTC [-] {3}	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	an0 is accepted by the exchange doing 90%+ of all bitcoin financials.	[21:05]
the20year2	Is it in use outside of mpex?	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	nobody cares what the scammers do.	[21:06]
the20year2	So all companies outside of mpoe is a scammer?	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	are. yes.	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059217 = 0.5922 BTC [-] {6}	[21:06]
the20year2	And how is neobee scamming?	[21:06]
dexX7	or rent?	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	not publishing financial results.	[21:06]
the20year2	Are an0 financials audited by outside organizations?	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	there aren't such organisations yet.	[21:07]
*	nubbins` chuckles	[21:08]
the20year2	So, financial reports are prepared by the company who issues them?	[21:08]
artifexd	mp, an0 == http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ ?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	that's generally the way it goes, yes.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	artifexd yea	[21:09]
the20year2	So, what prevents the organization from lying?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 bitcoin is not about preventing anyone from lying.	[21:09]
nubbins`	the correct question is "how is lying identified"	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is about the conseuqences of having lied.	[21:09]
joecool	consequences will never be the same	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	defo.	[21:10]
nubbins`	the answer is left as an exercise to the reader	[21:10]
dexX7	havelock down, forums extremely slow	[21:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00087059 = 5.7894 BTC [+] {2}	[21:11]
mike_c	has bitbet ever been ddos'd?	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 this dovetails nicely into your earlier curiosities re listing on mpex w/o an account. itstands to reason that large financial institutions that have their own account can keep their accounting straight ;	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	whereas small players will have to retain the help of an investment banker, in which case they get auditing as a packaged deal anyway	[21:14]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[21:14]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[21:14]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c well people try occasionally.	[21:15]
the20year2	Maybe so	[21:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23504 @ 0.00086725 = 20.3838 BTC [-]	[21:15]
mike_c	i take that to mean they aren' very successful	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	not so far.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	didja see the thing where they tried to hijack the dns via social engineering ?	[21:16]
mike_c	interesting, no.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/	[21:16]
ozbot	O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:16]
mike_c	wait, wasn't that how mpex got down? somebody impersonated you to a proxy server admin?	[21:17]
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mircea_popescu	yes, a year ago.	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00590256 = 1.7708 BTC [-] {7}	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04050001 = 0.2025 BTC [-]	[21:17]
mike_c	hehe. cuddle-puddle.	[21:17]
joecool	i've seen more than a few domains get jacked from social engineering, the best are ones that clone the site, set up shop somewhere without many laws (romania?), then monetize the stolen site	[21:18]
thestringpuller	lol	[21:19]
joecool	and even if the domain was with a US registrar it usually takes a month or two to go through the processes to get it back	[21:19]
joecool	and a lot of money	[21:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04034999 = 0.2017 BTC [-] {5}	[21:19]
thestringpuller	someone would have just manipulated the mpex trades	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	they need to cease this id-by-email bs.	[21:19]
thestringpuller	and made it look like real trades	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	it's about as bad as "cc over the phone"	[21:20]
thestringpuller	and profit on people trading on bad info	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it got caught pretty quick.	[21:20]
joecool	mircea_popescu: cc over the phone is less bad in my opinion	[21:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0401 = 0.2807 BTC [-]	[21:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09298999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	joecool why ?	[21:20]
joecool	mircea_popescu: it's fairly easily reversible, just claim the charges were fraud	[21:21]
joecool	mircea_popescu: not like a CC carries any sort of personal info other than name and address which are often already public record	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	well sure, reversible.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	the fact you can reverse it doesn't mean it didn't fail thjo	[21:21]
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thestringpuller	yea but the attacker wouldn't have profited directly on stealing people's money, mpex key is still guarded by naked lady ninja assassins	[21:21]
joecool	thestringpuller: that would depend on whether the attacker actually received goods, if they ran a merchant account they'd have the money clawed back	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	joecool they do triangles.	[21:22]
thestringpuller	i was talking more about an attacker getting access to mpex key via the proxy	[21:22]
thestringpuller	but I don't think the proxy decrypts trades just announces	[21:23]
joecool	mircea_popescu: skimmers are a bigger threat if you can duplicate the magstripe, but most non-US countries figured that out and went chip and pin	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	not what i meant. what i meant was, fraudster sells the merchandise to ignorant buyer, gets irreversible payment from him	[21:24]
joecool	ie. if i walk into a store with a stolen magstripe you don't know i have, i can purchase goods and even if there's a chargeback, it only claws back from the store those goods were bought at	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	you can reverse all you want, it;s not really helping much	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	right	[21:24]
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joecool	oh sure yeah if you pull the old paypal-style MITM that's burned so many people in OTC	[21:25]
nubbins`	even places that use chip-and-pin will fallback to magstripe if there's a problem with the chip	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	fiat world security is appalling	[21:25]
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nubbins`	grab a chip and pin card, rewrite the stripe, smash the chip with a ball-peen hammer	[21:25]
nubbins`	a friend of mine had "PLEASE ASK FOR PHOTO ID" on the signature panel of his credit card some years ago	[21:26]
joecool	true heh, in canada i use magstripe and it throws off all the clerks	[21:26]
nubbins`	he says "watch this"	[21:26]
joecool	cause only one or two US issuers have chip and pin as an option	[21:26]
nubbins`	pays for item in store, cashier looks at back, says "heh" and swipes the card	[21:26]
joecool	nubbins`: i've tested this theory, writing various things like "I STOLE THIS CARD" on the signature pad	[21:27]
dexX7	nubbins`: "please ask for photo id" - that's an awesome move	[21:27]
nubbins`	heh	[21:27]
joecool	only two types of places ever gave me shit	[21:27]
joecool	1. best buy	[21:27]
nubbins`	great idea but you might as well say "FREE BLOWJOB PLZ"	[21:27]
joecool	2. stores around ghetto'd aeras	[21:27]
joecool	*areas	[21:27]
nubbins`	for all the good it does	[21:27]
the20year2	I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to publish an0 + gaap reports	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	the blowjob you might get	[21:28]
nubbins`	but for free?	[21:28]
nubbins`	"sorry my break isn't for another half hour"	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	the20year2 i'll bet you you'll be giving up on the gaap style within 12 reporting periods	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	10x the effort, hardly any extra benefit delivered	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	but by all means, try the experiment	[21:29]
the20year2	If we use GAAP it makes it easier to transition to a public corp	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	nothing wrong with keeping multiple styles anyway	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	most large corps do both gaap and ifra anyway	[21:30]
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the20year2	an0 looks pretty simple, and my idea was to publish something non-gaap anyways since i don't think we can count bitcoin in that, and we'll always have btc balances onhand, so I planned on issuing non-gaap reports at the same time the gaap ones were done (TSLA does that)	[21:30]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: MPOE will still pay dividends from new sign up fees no?	[21:31]
thestringpuller	dumb question	[21:31]
thestringpuller	disregard	[21:31]
thestringpuller	lol	[21:31]
the20year2	Although in the case of tesla, they issued the non-gaap a few hours before gaap and gained an extra $50/share	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	and the sec never investigated	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	cause they were too busy confiscating the money of traders who had bought options on berkshire	[21:32]
the20year2	Yeah , i don't know though if it's illegal to issue non-gaap reports	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	but look here : some people bought options, in switzerland. they had their accounts frozen and they were required to... prove!!! they didn't trade on insider info.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, tesla creates random info disparities, nobody cares.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	quite scandalous, at least to my eye.	[21:33]
the20year2	how big was the loss/gain on the berkshire stuff?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	like 20x, a few million	[21:35]
the20year2	tesla's was way more than a few million	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	kinda my point.	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1365171512848	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	that's the link	[21:37]
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ozbot	SEC.gov \| SEC Freezes Assets in Swiss-Based Account Used in Suspected Insider Trading Ahead of Hein	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	so what i want to know is, how many accounts that traded on the pre-gaap release were frozen by the sexc	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	if they have the time to freeze 100k worth of options.	[21:38]
the20year2	usgov has alot behind tesla's success	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	right.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	basically we're seeing the 1990s of the russian republic all over again.	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	here are the companies the government supports, here are the people it doesn't support, "rule of law" stuff.	[21:39]
the20year2	Just about	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	so you know, where's the list of washington, dc people who bought tsla pre-release.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	that's what an investigative finacial journo that's looking to jump out of a window would pursue.	[21:40]
nubbins`	or in front of a subway!	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	easier to "find" satoshi i guess.	[21:43]
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mike_c	what. the. fuck. "all ur assets belong to us". and now they have to prove their innocence?	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	why's Plaxant sound familiar to me.	[21:48]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[21:48]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[21:48]
dexX7	here is a general warning: mp cooperates with the sec, so be careful what you tell here	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah, they weren't on the list of people who are allowed to make moneyz.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 aren;t you in the us ?	[21:48]
dexX7	hehe no	[21:49]
Plaxant	mircea_popescu I don't know	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	anyway, no, we're not there yet. currently the sec is trying to get its shit together to be able to cooperate with mp.	[21:52]
mike_c	what a joke. "Plaintiff Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission"), for its Complaint against	[21:53]
mike_c	defendants Certain Unknown Traders"	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	mike_c put that in perspective. the bezzle is the bezzle. people who are authorised to handle the imaginary portion of the monetary base may do X Y Z types of things. people who are not, however, may not.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	a trillion dollars is not much loss for usg ineptitude. a hundred grand is too much gain for real world people,	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	for the directly obvious reason that the trilion in question doesn't really exist.	[21:57]
mike_c	the asset seizure laws are what get me.. they are just unbelievable.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	the system is desperate to acquire as much as possible of the real portion of the monetary base.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	that's why they'll gladly give you "401k" in exchange for your paycheck.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	the 401k is b*i type.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	your paycheck is a type	[21:59]
dexX7	http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/po_vc_03112014.htm	[21:59]
dexX7	no gribble preview? "NYDFS ISSUES PUBLIC ORDER ON VIRTUAL CURRENCY EXCHANGES"	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	it's just an "order" to consider proposals.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	dunno who wants to make a ny exchange, anyway.	[22:01]
dexX7	the second market/circle guys afaik	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	but that's at least part of why the "someone will actually manage to spring up somewhere to allow us to trade in confidence" part is in the last mpoe statement.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah, maybe.	[22:01]
dexX7	yeah well. is this a bad thing?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	i don't see why it would be a bad thing.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	people who like it can move to ny, people who don't like it can move out of ny.	[22:03]
dexX7	yup	[22:03]
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mircea_popescu	it's unlikely to buck the us emigration trend, but who knows.	[22:03]
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mircea_popescu	lemme spam you all :	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Stock Splits and Stock Activity	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	We often are asked why Berkshire does not split its stock.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	The assumption behind this question usually appears to be that a	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	split would be a pro-shareholder action. We disagree. Let me	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	tell you why.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	One of our goals is to have Berkshire Hathaway stock sell at	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	a price rationally related to its intrinsic business value. (But	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	note “rationally related”, not “identical”: if well-regarded	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	companies are generally selling in the market at large discounts	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	from value, Berkshire might well be priced similarly.) The key to	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	a rational stock price is rational shareholders, both current and	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	prospective.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	If the holders of a company’s stock and/or the prospective	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	buyers attracted to it are prone to make irrational or emotion-	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	based decisions, some pretty silly stock prices are going to	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	appear periodically. Manic-depressive personalities produce	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	manic-depressive valuations. Such aberrations may help us in	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	buying and selling the stocks of other companies. But we think	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	it is in both your interest and ours to minimize their occurrence	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	in the market for Berkshire.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	To obtain only high quality shareholders is no cinch. Mrs.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Astor could select her 400, but anyone can buy any stock.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Entering members of a shareholder “club” cannot be screened for	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	intellectual capacity, emotional stability, moral sensitivity or	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	acceptable dress. Shareholder eugenics, therefore, might appear	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	to be a hopeless undertaking.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	In large part, however, we feel that high quality ownership can be attracted and maintained if we consistently communicate our business and ownership philosophy - along with no other conflicting messages - and then let self selection follow its course. For example, self selection will draw a far different crowd to a musical event advertised as an opera than one advertised as a rock concert even though anyon	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	e can buy a ticket to either.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Through our policies and communications - our “advertisements” - we try to attract investors who will understand our operations, attitudes and expectations. (And, fully as important, we try to dissuade those who won’t.) We want those who think of themselves as business owners and invest in companies with the intention of staying a long time. And, we want those who keep their eyes focused on business resul	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	ts, not market prices.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Investors possessing those characteristics are in a small minority, but we have an exceptional collection of them. I believe well over 90% - probably over 95% - of our shares are held by those who were shareholders of Berkshire or Blue Chip five years ago. And I would guess that over 95% of our shares are held by investors for whom the holding is at least double the size of their next largest. Among companies	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	with at least several thousand public shareholders and more than $1 billion of market value, we are almost certainly the leader in the degree to which our shareholders think and act like owners. Upgrading a shareholder group that possesses these characteristics is not easy.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Were we to split the stock or take other actions focusing on stock price rather than business value, we would attract an entering class of buyers inferior to the exiting class of sellers. At $1300, there are very few investors who can’t afford a Berkshire share. Would a potential one-share purchaser be better off if we split 100 for 1 so he could buy 100 shares? Those who think so and who would buy the stoc	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	k because of the split or in a	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	split or in anticipation of one would definitely downgrade the quality of our present shareholder group. (Could we really improve our shareholder group by trading some of our present clear-thinking members for impressionable new ones who, preferring paper to value, feel wealthier with nine $10 bills than with one $100 bill?) People who buy for non-value reasons are likely to sell for non-value reasons. Their pre	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	sence in the picture will accentuate erratic price swings unrelated to underlying business developments.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	apparently a smaller amt of phone number isn't better after all!	[22:10]
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dub	is this some form of comedy?	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	it must be.	[22:13]
joecool	!rate mircea_popescu 1 seems legit	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, the hate re finance industry continues, http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1983.html	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	and to wash the horror of all that text,	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/8b4c582f11725ac5b4d081686b48c9e2/tumblr_msq4bc4AMn1s2kr10o1_1280.jpg	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/03/11/bitcoin-foundation-ramps-up-lobbying-efforts-with-high-profile-hires/	[22:20]
ozbot	Bitcoin Foundation ramps up lobbying efforts with high-profile hires \| SiliconBeat	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	lulzy : as it is downgraded to "one of the world’s leading advocacy groups for the cybercurrency," bitcoin foundation hires jim harper and some pr	[22:21]
bitcoinpete	In continuing our celebration of Privilege Day:	[22:22]
bitcoinpete	"Those in the 21st century who are most enamored of the word privilege—and often wield it as a bludgeon—make two mistakes. First, as Skwire shows us, they underestimate the complexity of power dynamics and social context. But they often take it a step further. In the name of reducing their newer, fuzzier kind of social privilege, they often advocate increases in the simple, old-fashioned, government-based variety."	[22:22]
bitcoinpete	http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/check-your-history	[22:22]
ozbot	Check Your History : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education	[22:22]
bitcoinpete	More from another MK, Marcus instead of Lords	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	all this aside : nobody has so far explained what the problem is with privilege in the first place.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	some people are better than others. intrinsically so. unequivocally so. what of it ?	[22:23]
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bitcoinpete	I wish I had an answer	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	all these kids running around acting as if universal equality is somehow a fait accompli.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	ridoinkulous.	[22:26]
bitcoinpete	it's not signed and sealed yet, gays can't marry everywhere and we don't have free govweed	[22:26]
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ThickAsThieves	"privilege" is in the same toolkit as "mean"	[22:26]
bitcoinpete	and we still have to share our privilege with africa	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	a separation of logic and comfort	[22:27]
bitcoinpete	his will be dun	[22:27]
benkay	the20year2: your operation can't possibly file an0.	[22:27]
dub	they shared AIDS with us, its only fair	[22:28]
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mircea_popescu	dub i thought the monkeys gave us aids	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	because privileged upper class british explorer people got bored playing the anthropologist	[22:34]
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mike_c	it's not FAIR. that's what of it.	[22:39]
mike_c	re:privelege	[22:39]
dexX7	The stability and longevity of the virtual currency, which exists outside of government and bank regulation, has been in question ... yeah well, tells enough	[22:42]
dexX7	sometimes i wonder why such experts dare to think their contribution was asked for in the first place	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	hey, me too.	[22:43]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell copumpkin http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpoe_sign.txt	[22:46]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	da fuck	[23:29]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[23:32]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:15 2014	[23:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086777 = 6.7252 BTC [-]	[23:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]	[23:39]
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jurov	i did not get the overstock spam, should i fear i'll be left behind by impending rapture?	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	as you can see	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	we are being left behind	[23:40]
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jurov	Patrick Byrne: Bitcoin Messiah, CEO of Overstock, Scourge of Wall Street	[23:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	another one ?	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/eskimo-nell/	[23:42]
jurov	trying to reinvent austro-hungarian nomenclature and failing badly	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	cause you didn't use enough dashes.	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	you gotta dash the audience	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086777 = 4.7727 BTC [-]	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/443488826795646976/photo/1	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	His Most Eminent Serenicy, Patrick Byrne, Messiah-CEO of the Bitcoin Realms	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo win	[23:43]
BingoBoingo	Eh, this web thing isn't for security	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	also Chris Morrow is pretty hawt	[23:44]
jurov	"Go forth in search of fun" translates into "Merg sa-si caute pizde de scos la raport", rly?	[23:45]
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kakobrekla	http://bou.si/rest/namorm.png	[23:46]
kakobrekla	runnin low on coin.	[23:46]
jurov	nice css	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov well that'd be untranslatable.	[23:46]
kakobrekla	yes, lel, the guy making the shot mentioned i should look at css.	[23:46]
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mircea_popescu	but literally it'd be "they go looking for cunts to make fall-in", as in the military thing.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	fall in for inspection	[23:47]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla is that what they say when an acct is unverified ? or is it what they say when they're out of btc ?	[23:48]
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kakobrekla	i dunno what difference does it make, its btc we are talking bout	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	if you have some bitcoin it's not your bitcoin	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	obamastamp	[23:51]
kakobrekla	also it IS verified.	[23:51]
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benkay	mystical coins	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	oh	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	well that's not so good.	[23:52]
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Bunnyh	i got that too a few weeks ago. i got an email too, which explained that withdrawal was blocked because of attempted phishing attacks, and i had to contact support	[23:53]
Bunnyh	took a few days to clear that out	[23:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00086799 = 15.6238 BTC [+] {3}	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	Bunnyh so did you get your bitcoin back eventually ?	[23:54]
kakobrekla	phishing attacks cause they were hacked which they didnt admit?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla stop slandering you soul you.	[23:54]
Bunnyh	yes, after they finally cleared the block the withdraw was pretty fast	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	bitstamp is like a respectable business and everything	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	they just don't know what they're doing is all	[23:55]
Bunnyh	first support response was the same message, even with the "Please contact support part", that was a bit funnyt	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[23:55]
Duffer1	ha	[23:56]
Bunnyh	i had only 6 BTC there so unless everyones withdraws were blocked at that time, i can't imagine it was any kind of liquidity problem	[23:58]
thestringpuller	;;google tony hawk twitter hunt	[23:58]
gribble	Tony Hawk Twitter Hunt 2014: ; Tony Hawk (tonyhawk) on Twitter: ; Tony Hawk wants you to find a prize via Twitter – USATODAY.com:	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	Bunnyh unless they have a fractional reserve problem and then they do rolling window withdrawals	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	trying to delay everyone a set interval.	[23:59]

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