Forum logs for 12 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	!up trixbutt	[00:12]
-assbot-	You voiced trixbutt for 30 minutes.	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39844 @ 0.00052301 = 20.8388 BTC [-]	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-august-2014-statement/#comment-114754 << don't you find it a little odd that even on an obscure liuttle game such as eulora, someone does find the time to carefully probe me about aes ?	[00:20]
assbot	MiniGame (S.MG), August 2014 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYIZ1N )	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << whatever have you two done.	[00:24]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[00:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42181 @ 0.00052301 = 22.0611 BTC [-]	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seems to be traction from the transaction fees article	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	nb.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	it's like, almost february all over again.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197553 << they are disconcertingly yellow...	[00:27]
assbot	Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197584 << haha well that fox had a good meal for surer	[00:28]
assbot	Logged on 11-07-2015 08:13:46; cazalla: or inattentive chicken shepherd	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	"waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what the fuck is this yellow poison looking shit!"	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197622 << anything but a science that renders journos unnecessary!	[00:30]
assbot	Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	"At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	well done, whoever.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	!up phillipsjk	[00:31]
-assbot-	You voiced phillipsjk for 30 minutes.	[00:31]
*	assbot gives voice to phillipsjk	[00:31]
phillipsjk	I really should auth with the bot with pgp though.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	so go ahead.	[00:32]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo, that bio lol https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/crypto/	[00:34]
assbot	Jonas Borchgrevink, Author at CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnOTYj )	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197713 << i don't follow. how's the daugther of boob implant woman not able to look the same as mom ?	[00:34]
assbot	Logged on 11-07-2015 20:19:34; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not	[00:34]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Scam bio	[00:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90053 @ 0.00054288 = 48.888 BTC [+]	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel btw, you use emacs ?	[00:46]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: yeah	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	an' you hate it basically ?	[00:47]
phillipsjk	I am not sure I can auth with assbot. to verify I need to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for the !up command to challenge me with one.	[00:47]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: yep.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	phillipsjk no you don't ? you just pm assbot !up	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel well there goes that idea.	[00:48]
gabriel_laddel	eurlora client?	[00:48]
gabriel_laddel	*eulora	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[00:49]
phillipsjk	assbot says: "You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)"	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << this is basically how the libc hack of template files works eh.	[00:49]
assbot	Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot phillipsjk	[00:49]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=phillipsjk \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phillipsjk/	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	phillipsjk apparently you can't actually self-voice.	[00:49]
phillipsjk	Can I auth with the bot without voicing?	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[00:50]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: the problem with templates is that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel i think the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	if you can actually write programs to fix programs - why haven't you yet and why are we still running broken code everywhere.	[00:51]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: because I'm lazy?	[00:52]
gabriel_laddel	I need interns	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	that process works better the other way. ("i need to intern for this guy" vs "i need people to intern for me")	[00:52]
gabriel_laddel	I want to move up the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me.	[00:53]
phillipsjk	Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you the same cipher text given the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise though.	[00:54]
gabriel_laddel	Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of the art for some people.	[00:54]
gabriel_laddel	I could go to africa (or stanford) if I wanted to be "considered intelligent"	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	phillipsjk i've not put much design effort into that yet at any rate.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197875 << having been more or less peripherally aware of gfx software the past coupla decades, i gotta tell you opengl is both come very far and possibly one of the worst retarded solutions ever seen.	[00:56]
assbot	Logged on 11-07-2015 22:56:47; ascii_modem: fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	granted this isn't much seeing just how retarded that field is, but anway	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	i am thankful directx fucking died, that's for use.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	sure*	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	hm. by "worst retarded" i actually mean "least retarded".	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif	[00:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD )	[00:59]
decimation	mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was then recommended by usg. How is that 'coming out of nowhere'?	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	i dunno about you, or anyone else. but to me, winning a competition is a discomendation.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	you know, like i don't expect a film to be good because it got 7 oscars. i expect it to suck.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	and i don't expect a dude to have something meaningful to say because he got a nobel prize, but IN SPITE of getting it.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	!up phillipsjk	[01:02]
-assbot-	You voiced phillipsjk for 30 minutes.	[01:02]
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decimation	yeah that seems like a reasonable objection	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	i guess "purely political" is not even the best way to state it. purely idiosyncratic.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, actually an english word. cool.	[01:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00052863 = 7.4537 BTC [-]	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[01:09]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 303.79, Best ask: 303.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 303.8, 24 hour volume: 45768.38673079, 24 hour low: 285.29, 24 hour high: 308.42, 24 hour vwap: None	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[01:09]
punkman	guten tag	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	καλή μέρα	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	(amusingly enough, that says "inkwell" in romanian, phonetically)	[01:10]
punkman	mircea_popescu: o look at that, actually an english word. cool. << which?	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	idiosyncratic	[01:11]
punkman	that's a very greek word actually	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	originally, obviously.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	but surprisingly enough, exists in english.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	(yes, i confess, mp doesn't generally use natural language "as it is", but "as it should be", like any serious autist. it's wonder anything i say's comprehensible to any degree)	[01:12]
phillipsjk	After a little research, I found that twofish was one of the finalists in that competition. (Apparently the 64bit block size of blowfish it a little small for some applications like encrypting over 4GB) You are probing me now :)	[01:13]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198088 similar appeal as the dressed/undressed sets	[01:14]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 03:55:35; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	phillipsjk yes, but that's both trivial to fix and in practice long fixed (twofish, threefish, etc). it is in point of fact a VERY promising cypher branch, mostly on the account of its extremely complex schedule	[01:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58069 @ 0.00052863 = 30.697 BTC [-]	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i liked the fact that the only pictures in which she displays good posture, she's wearing "slave" or whatever you'd call it garb.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	this is shocking but factual : rarely will you see women carrying themselves like actual people outside of dance school and the slave quarters.	[01:16]
cazalla	you're big on posture eh? mentioned numerous times now	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	yes, i'm big on posture.	[01:17]
cazalla	not that i enjoy a slouch, just not something i've considered before either	[01:18]
trinque	I tend to think how you hold yourself is how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it	[01:18]
trinque	fascinating observation re: the slave gear	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	put a woman naked on a horse, it'll tell you all you need to know about the "empowerment of feminism" and whatnot.	[01:19]
punkman	I got the impression she was looking at her belly with most outfits	[01:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.000516 = 71.595 BTC [-] {3}	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.	[01:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125200 @ 0.00051131 = 64.016 BTC [-] {2}	[01:21]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198123 <<< i was being specific to women fwiw.. all australian men walk around with their chest out, shoulders back asking if ya wanna have a go, cunt?	[01:21]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 04:14:52; trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself is how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	so what happens when two meet ?	[01:22]
punkman	chest-bump or fist-fight	[01:22]
cazalla	or a fist bump and they go their seperate ways	[01:24]
trinque	cazalla: yeah, specifically to the chick; she's in this garb that evokes a certain narrative, suddenly perked as though immediately at home in that context	[01:25]
trinque	but also hell, I like wearing a good suit (and I'm sure by better standards I've never worn one)	[01:25]
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mircea_popescu	so come to ba, have one made.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_modem	[01:26]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_modem for 30 minutes.	[01:26]
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ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198086 << wat.	[01:27]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 03:53:23; mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[01:27]
ascii_modem	never lived, in my eyes	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but you also don't play.	[01:27]
ascii_modem	who the fuk cares what microshit did or will do	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	people who like games.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	did. at the time.	[01:28]
ascii_modem	i like	[01:28]
ascii_modem	dos!!	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	2004 kinda late for dos.	[01:28]
ascii_modem	i played 'edna' (1996!) just now. in czech.	[01:29]
ascii_modem	dos.	[01:29]
ascii_modem	mega-adventur	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	i spent the decade playing homm2 and mm6/7. nevertheless... some people actually cared about everquest and wow and whatnot.	[01:29]
ascii_modem	pff.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	look, you dun have to be a fan to admit it looked bleak in 2002.	[01:30]
ascii_modem	aha.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	the only performance edge ms ever had in its entire history. ever. directx 6-7	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	blessfully they choked on it.	[01:31]
cazalla	my brother played a lot of homm2 (mind you, here is retarded so probably didn't play it well despite sinking so much time into it, never wanted to play it over LAN with me for some reason).. i prefrered EQ..	[01:31]
ascii_modem	in '95 too. for me, winblows was the beginning of the end, gamewise	[01:31]
cazalla	i liked that ghetto version of homm2 which came on the cd, forget the name of it	[01:32]
ascii_modem	the only edge microshit ever had anywhere was from collusion with hw vendors.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless.	[01:32]
ascii_modem	just as today.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	at the time, as a game maker, it was "directx or go home"	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	today, i can make an opengl game and simply not care	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	this is foundational.	[01:33]
ben_vulpes	hate to interrupt, but ascii_modem did you ever post a hack for speedily dumping all blocks via a -dumpblock analog or am i misremembering?	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	it allows minigame to exist, at any rate.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes wasn't that speedy but yes he did.	[01:33]
ben_vulpes	link plx? ascii_modem	[01:34]
ascii_modem	i wanted to explain that i don't evaluate softs in comparison with microshit. just as i don't evaluate meal by comparing with a tall glass of liquishit.	[01:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142437 @ 0.00053258 = 75.8591 BTC [+] {2}	[01:34]
ascii_modem	ben_vulpes: no, but trivial. go, write	[01:34]
*	ben_vulpes nods	[01:35]
ascii_modem	or nm	[01:35]
ascii_modem	i did	[01:35]
ben_vulpes	?	[01:35]
ben_vulpes	didja now?	[01:35]
ascii_modem	in the ram plot article	[01:35]
ascii_modem	though i may have neglected to attach it. check.	[01:36]
ascii_modem	what didja have in mind ?	[01:36]
ben_vulpes	all of your mails coming through in .txt makes finding your utterances annoying, because i don't index attachments	[01:36]
ben_vulpes	it's fine tho i'll just buy a little more rsi :P	[01:37]
ascii_modem	read www like everyone else?	[01:37]
ben_vulpes	we broke email. notrly surprised.	[01:37]
ascii_modem	i attach so jurov's script stops raping	[01:37]
ben_vulpes	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this one?	[01:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RqTrns )	[01:38]
ben_vulpes	surely not...	[01:38]
ascii_modem	it	[01:39]
ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198091 <<< so many lulz! recall 'serpent' and the Official Truth re: its rejection?	[01:40]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 03:57:37; mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	not right off.	[01:40]
ascii_modem	worth a read	[01:40]
ascii_modem	it was spiffier in just about every known way	[01:41]
ascii_modem	iirc	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	where was this discussed ?	[01:41]
ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198074 << holyfuk wat is this.	[01:42]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 03:48:32; gabriel_laddel: I need interns	[01:42]
ascii_modem	serpent? in crc crypto encyclopaedia, and had citations. but largely, wank on sci.crypt	[01:43]
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ben_vulpes	ascii_modem: forgive the idiocy, i don't see any scriptage around the `dumpblock'ing	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks.	[01:46]
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ascii_modem	ben_vulpes: it was a 4line bash	[01:49]
ascii_modem	deadly boring	[01:49]
phf	ben_vulpes: i started writing a patch that would let dumpblock accept cut's number range syntax, i.e. 1,7-100,200- but didn't think anyone would need it. i can pick it up again in a day or two, though i suspect you need it now?	[01:49]
ascii_modem	waiwut	[01:50]
ascii_modem	my cut?	[01:50]
ascii_modem	had no such thing	[01:50]
phf	ascii_modem: cut as in unix utility	[01:50]
ben_vulpes	cutblock wasn't you?	[01:50]
ascii_modem	cutblock was mine	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	o nm	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	phf: nifty	[01:51]
ascii_modem	but no built-in knobs	[01:51]
ascii_modem	unixphilosophy!	[01:51]
ben_vulpes	mhm	[01:51]
ascii_modem	feed output to your favourite whatevers.	[01:52]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell shinohai Look what I found https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server/commit/a431496a0a22838e7767db4a71d556ad67b92655	[01:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:52]
assbot	remove unneeded patch · spesmilo/electrum-server@a431496 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9hnjm )	[01:52]
ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 << lol, see mp's 'psychology of bag...'	[01:53]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?	[01:53]
decimation	unixphilosophy > "modular is better, can process any text stream" <> "modular is always worse than 'done at bedrock'"	[01:54]
ascii_modem	can anyone tell me what the point of litecoin is after scryptasic finally happened ??	[01:54]
decimation	it's an altcoin amoung altcoins	[01:55]
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ascii_modem	decimation: there is no reason to reimplement bash loop, etc in something like blkcut	[01:55]
ascii_modem	its retarded	[01:56]
decimation	agreed, I was just making point about 'unixphilosophy'	[01:56]
ascii_modem	that is what 'unixphilosophy' meant to mean	[01:56]
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decimation	!up ascii_modem	[01:56]
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phf	ascii_modem: that's what kept me from continuing to work on that patch, but i still ended up hacking the code for bulk export, since O(n^3)	[01:58]
decimation	what would it look like to have 'modular bedrock'? feed output of 'cut' circuit to 'sort' circuit?	[01:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119850 @ 0.00053857 = 64.5476 BTC [+]	[01:58]
ascii_modem	basic idea similar	[01:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.0005377 = 16.4536 BTC [-]	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem same as bitcoin, really. it's there.	[02:00]
ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198070 << this goes far, far deeper. from my own explorations: 1) there is NO rationale public for just about any aspect of blockcipher -ANY of them - design;	[02:01]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 03:47:21; mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.	[02:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12556 @ 0.0005377 = 6.7514 BTC [-]	[02:01]
ascii_modem	2) just about 'anyone who's anyone' in that entire subdiscipline is a usg career	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	that's a major point incidentally. we'll have to make our own crypto oscars, this usg situation is untenable	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	definitely higher concern than the ntp	[02:02]
ascii_modem	try example	[02:03]
ascii_modem	why feistel networks!!????	[02:03]
ascii_modem	no reason. 'because', 'shuddup'	[02:03]
ascii_modem	fuck'em with a horse.	[02:04]
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mircea_popescu	they gotta pick something neh ?	[02:07]
ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198128 << is this even a thing ~other than~ for the ones perma-wedged at mental age 12 ??	[02:07]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 04:17:05; mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	i bet you your gf hates her thighs.	[02:08]
ascii_modem	not detectably	[02:08]
ascii_modem	hence observation above	[02:09]
decimation	http://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/3ce0s8/dear_amazon_interns_some_advice_from_an_old_man/ < lulzy massive thread where purported employees of amazon (and 'the big 4') complain about how they are assraped by amazon/google/ms etc	[02:09]
assbot	Dear Amazon interns, some advice from an old man who has been at Amazon way too long. : Seattle ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7fLgt )	[02:09]
gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198199 << Would an intern be more useful working for you or some node.js type?	[02:09]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 04:38:27; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198074 << holyfuk wat is this.	[02:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115009 @ 0.0005377 = 61.8403 BTC [-]	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	"Now, the average employee stays at Amazon for LESS than two years, so when you do the math to compare offers from various companies go ahead and factor that in. The entire system is designed to bring you in, burn you out, and send you on your way with as little equity lost as possible."	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to what. google ?	[02:10]
ascii_modem	lol re the 'bonus'	[02:11]
ascii_modem	thats gotta be a new low	[02:11]
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ben_vulpes	had enough of that flavor of chumpatronics, tyvm.	[02:11]
decimation	next it'll be 'we charge you for the electricity you used while here'	[02:11]
ascii_modem	why would anyone not mail it back immediately ?	[02:11]
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decimation	It's a real problem for young people in the us though	[02:12]
ascii_modem	what is	[02:12]
decimation	where is a bright young engineer going to work?	[02:12]
ascii_modem	gullibility?	[02:13]
decimation	usg or 'big 4'	[02:13]
ascii_modem	its all usg	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem it is new if you're from 2005.	[02:13]
decimation	or academitarditron	[02:13]
ascii_modem	hotdog stand in podunk? usg, yes	[02:13]
decimation	farm? also usg	[02:13]
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ascii_modem	both the money and the meat - countereconomic voodoo creations of usg	[02:14]
ascii_modem	in this example	[02:14]
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ascii_modem	mircea_popescu: new to me	[02:15]
ascii_modem	but i'm not a pro entomologist	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	i am not aware of ANY stock option deal that is not a scam outside of mpex to date.	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	i mean that stringently and quite literally.	[02:16]
decimation	yeah, it's just depressing. I would note that the above 'big 4' are exactly what everyone in the us is banking on to save the entire system	[02:16]
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ascii_modem	aha, the normal deal is straight classical 'jam tomorrow'	[02:17]
punkman	decimation: will be fun when they have to bailout google	[02:19]
ascii_modem	will be with usg ads!	[02:20]
ascii_modem	naturally	[02:20]
decimation	I suspect google already has some kind of sweetheart regulation somewhere	[02:20]
decimation	that could be counted as an asset	[02:21]
punkman	they all have	[02:21]
ascii_modem	#1 voluntary nsa dossier toilet	[02:21]
decimation	still, countereconomic as it might be, there's an opportunity here	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	decimation they didn't end up paying ten billion over the rico conspiracy thing they had with the wage fixing did they ?	[02:22]
ascii_modem	it is holy to the lizard throne.	[02:22]
decimation	surely at least some of the meat doesn't want to enter the chumpatron	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	that's only for when italian dudes run their own independent govt.	[02:22]
decimation	heh you mean the wage fixing	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	brave sir robert got some bank to pay for "helpying money laundering", right ?	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	price fixing is not in this bucket tho.	[02:22]
decimation	didn't the judge throw it out because it was rediculously low	[02:22]
decimation	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/03/end_to_google_apple_et_al_wagefixing_lawsuit_in_sight/ < lol	[02:22]
assbot	End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7gXQV )	[02:22]
decimation	judge threw it out at $325 mil, they upped it to $450 mil	[02:23]
ascii_modem	if they dont fx prices - to borrow bushism - 'that sucker will go down'	[02:23]
scoopbot_revived	Ultima Online http://trilema.com/2015/ultima-online/	[02:23]
decimation	er $415	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi how it can cost them less than 10-20 billion	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	i mean gimme a break, even junk like sr was supposedly doing more damage than this.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	what, google is now less of a thing than silk road ?	[02:24]
decimation	lol because the suing class consists entirely of people who willingly entered the aforementioned chumpatron	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	"willingly".	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	you know what, women willingly entered the workforce, what the fuck is with these "civil rights" lawsuits.	[02:26]
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mircea_popescu	and iirc the woman with mcdonalds willingly bought coffee.	[02:26]
decimation	about 80% of usg depends on these kinds of 'willingly' gotchas	[02:26]
decimation	YOU AGREED	[02:26]
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decimation	!up ascii_modem	[02:27]
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ascii_modem	nah they 'willed' to enjoy warm fuzzies not the butugchag of reality	[02:27]
decimation	heh	[02:27]
ascii_modem	'will' means something very peculiar to a muppet	[02:28]
ascii_modem	i'm not quite enough entomolgist to say precisely what.	[02:28]
decimation	;;calc 415000000/65000	[02:28]
gribble	6384.61538462	[02:28]
decimation	^ split when given to the 65k employees	[02:29]
decimation	not counting the half for lawyers and admin	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	i guess as the flesh sears under the hot tongs, "high ranking" usg employees will scream how people "willingly paid taxes"	[02:29]
ascii_modem	~0	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	decimation from any settlement under 2-3 bn, the actuasl employees get zilch.	[02:29]
decimation	and voting too!	[02:29]
ascii_modem	lol sop	[02:30]
decimation	this goes to ascii's (orlovs?) deer who kneels down in front of the hunter	[02:30]
ascii_modem	fact, they ~must~ fix wages, or die	[02:31]
ascii_modem	only brake on the realestate blackhole.	[02:32]
decimation	yeah if they doubled 'slave wage' in sillycon valley it would only double housing expenses	[02:32]
ascii_modem	triple	[02:32]
decimation	and then interns would be happy to live 10 per apartment mexican-style for the very small chance that they can get some google equity	[02:33]
ascii_modem	as now	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	well, let thjem come out and say that then	[02:33]
ascii_modem	'spartan speaks with sword'	[02:34]
decimation	this is obviously countereconomic, what puzzles me is why hasn't someone exploited the opportunity?	[02:34]
ascii_modem	what opportunity	[02:34]
decimation	hire non-idiots who don't want to enter the chumpatron somewhere where feeding real estate isn't the entire economy	[02:35]
ascii_modem	where? doing what? paid with what? lol	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is b,tmsr~ doing ?	[02:35]
ascii_modem	and realestate harvester kept out how?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	by refusing geography.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	and ESPECIALLY centralization by geography	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	"oh guise let's make a country" "stfu"	[02:36]
ascii_modem	mircea_popescu: it hired somebody ???!?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	but it IS exploiting the opportunity.	[02:36]
ascii_modem	i dun see it	[02:37]
gabriel_laddel	decimation: what happened to that "new country on unclaimed land"	[02:37]
gabriel_laddel	?	[02:37]
decimation	eh?	[02:37]
ascii_modem	gabriel_laddel: usg claims earth and all of known unviverse	[02:38]
gabriel_laddel	^	[02:38]
gabriel_laddel	this is what I'm pointing out	[02:38]
ascii_modem	fuck i hate this machne	[02:38]
ascii_modem	tardablet	[02:38]
decimation	hehe	[02:38]
decimation	touchscreen keyboard?	[02:38]
ascii_modem	a	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	no fucking way ? you actually inputting text on a tablet ?!	[02:39]
ascii_modem	trying to	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	you know this is like asking god for MS	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	(multiple sclerosis)	[02:39]
ascii_modem	why not plague	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	because this is what stephen king got : a tablet.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	uh. nm, the other one.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	haw-king.	[02:40]
ascii_modem	i thought he had arsejoystick	[02:41]
decimation	poor ascii still yearns for his bed computer	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198008 << anything good ?	[02:41]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 02:30:55; gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."	[02:41]
ascii_modem	i just need to memorize morse for 'shoot me now plz'	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if google telepathy keyboard will work intermediately. secretary on her back with the things attacked, you stick your cock into her and write your next article.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	mental moan dictation.	[02:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17570 @ 0.0005377 = 9.4474 BTC [-]	[02:42]
ascii_modem	for mircea_popescu - dictation	[02:42]
ascii_modem	for us - 'last bullet plz'	[02:43]
ascii_modem	wonder if anyone sells morse-bluetooth-kbd	[02:44]
*	decimation would buy one	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	punkman http://trilema.com/2012/filozoful-blogomirea-editie-revazuta-adaugita-si-completata/#selection-27.36-27.45 << inkwell.	[02:45]
assbot	Filozoful Blogomirea, editie revazuta, adaugita si completata. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7iYN6 )	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	perhaps my best poem.	[02:45]
decimation	heh apparently usg paid its think tank to identify the top open source projects that 'need security investments' https://github.com/linuxfoundation/cii-census/blob/master/results.csv	[02:46]
assbot	cii-census/results.csv at master · linuxfoundation/cii-census · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7j3QI )	[02:46]
ascii_modem	l0l!!	[02:46]
decimation	top of the list: ftp, netcat, tcpd, whois, at	[02:47]
*	decimation expects nothing to come of this	[02:47]
punkman	decimation: so that's... everything?	[02:48]
decimation	yeah, pretty much - which is the honest answer	[02:48]
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gabriel_laddel	"security investments"	[02:49]
gabriel_laddel	!s embrace and extinguish	[02:49]
decimation	The Linux Foundation (LF) Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII) is trying to identify OSS projects that need special focus/help for security so that it can best identify OSS projects needing investment.	[02:50]
decimation	"Similarly, the Department of Homeland Security Homeland Open Security Technology (DHS HOST) program’s goal is to “help facilitate the continued adoption of open technology solutions (including OSS)...to improve system security....” They have asked the Institute for Defense Analyses to identify and collect metrics to help identify OSS projects that may especially need investment for security."	[02:50]
assbot	: http://s.b-a.link/?q=embrace+and+extinguish	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	dhs host ahaha	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	somebody likes sigourney weaver	[02:50]
ascii_modem	meta. collector for candidates for gavinization academy.	[02:51]
ascii_modem	'you wanna eat off project? we knew! great, innit? just one little thing we want in return...'	[02:52]
decimation	ascii_modem: that's giving too much credit	[02:52]
punkman	they must be pleased with systemd results	[02:52]
decimation	usg's classic move is to pay $mil to contractor to tell it how it sucks, and then do nothing with the results	[02:52]
ascii_modem	nah thats favouriteson sop	[02:53]
ascii_modem	this - different	[02:53]
ascii_modem	this - probably our best picture of operation of the gavinfactories.	[02:54]
ascii_modem	they gotta come from somewhere.	[02:54]
ascii_modem	'i wanna eat'	[02:55]
decimation	I would note that it seems this is in coordiation with the "linux foundation"	[02:55]
decimation	so it would indirectly funded by usg at best	[02:55]
ascii_modem	'hereyago'	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	they must be pleased with systemd results << they are. and mostly on the grounds that they're measuring badly.	[02:55]
decimation	but by their favorite sons, sure	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	systemd was an utter disaster for 'em.	[02:55]
punkman	how's that?	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	exactly how "war on terror" was a disaster for them. "oh we conquered iraq". "you won't be able to hold it"	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	wrong metrics.	[02:56]
decimation	"The “libapache2-mod-gnutls” package is especially concerning; this is a key glue mechanism between Apache and GnuTLS, but it seems to be minimally maintained. The others are libraries for processing various formats (images, compression, and XML) that are the basis for many other functions that do not seem to be well maintained. "	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_modem	[02:57]
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-assbot-	You voiced ascii_modem for 30 minutes.	[02:57]
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ascii_modem	usg hasnt given a fuk re conquest in the normal sense of the word since war with spain.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	gnutls was marked for death along with everythning else i nthe pki scabies pile	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem understand that it doesn't matter what the loser of a contest cares about.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	this is always the loser's excuse, of course.	[02:58]
decimation	"we were intending to bring peace and freedom, not exploit the colony's resources"	[02:59]
ascii_modem	where is the losing? plebes lost, sure (when did they not?) - lizards - won	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	this exploiting that costs one more than his wife...	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem only in your alt-world where meta-win is a win and meta-nsa a thing.	[02:59]
ascii_modem	lockheed et all are drowning in win	[03:00]
punkman	what would be not-meta win for systemd?	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	punkman if nothing else, i have a very convenient rally point.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	this is not repaid by having five billion more schmucks use ubunwindows.	[03:01]
ascii_modem	vaterland s33k000rity 'industry' is choking on money	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	no, it's not.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	it's choking on money like gawker and reddit are.	[03:02]
decimation	http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/426/086/e48.jpg	[03:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1L7kuP3 )	[03:02]
ascii_modem	entirely different hallucination, much stronger lsd in use	[03:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122450 @ 0.00053857 = 65.9479 BTC [+]	[03:03]
ascii_modem	i dont see the gawker similarity at all	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	ahaha	[03:04]
ascii_modem	aside from the overall scamitude	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	not a debate that can be resolved at any rate.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	but, without committing to being in any sense persuaded, or anything, consider the following :	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	by the time i can actually point to something, that side's lost.	[03:05]
ascii_modem	lets say this. gawker pays for hippie house , 5 bois per room	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	by the time we have "politically correct" as a concept, us liberalism is dead.	[03:05]
ascii_modem	lockheed - 1	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	by the time "systemd" is a word, usg-as-nsa is no longer.	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	does this make any sense to you ?	[03:05]
ascii_modem	only in wizard universe where names kill things	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	it is not that the name killed things	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	it is that by the time the mistakes got a name, the mistakes are by now too numerous to allow victory anymore.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	that's the problem here - to make a name you need a concept, and the concept's only circumscribed enough when there's enough errors on the table.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	and that enough is always > the enough for losing.	[03:07]
ascii_modem	i get that the reich is not 1000year, aha	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	well, i have not the instrumentation to make this point rigurouslyt	[03:07]
ascii_modem	but i'm still crunchng. crunching under nazi boot	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	we don't know each other long enough. but eventually.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but you enjoy it.	[03:07]
ascii_modem	no?	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	the whores i've known in my lyf taught me to not take a man's own word on that score.	[03:08]
ascii_modem	would really rather perelman.	[03:09]
punkman	perelman but like gentleman?	[03:11]
ascii_modem	aha!	[03:11]
ascii_modem	taleb.	[03:12]
ascii_modem	mthreat.	[03:12]
ascii_modem	et al	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	ha! i think he'll be flattered to hear that.	[03:13]
ascii_modem	five walls and radioactive dragons guarding each, between one's arse & economic reality	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	u kno there's no such thing rite	[03:14]
ascii_modem	and wage labour being in same mental category as ebola	[03:14]
ascii_modem	as in, yes, theoretically, could touch you...	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	the dragons are made of economic reality :)	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	said the daymio to the assassin : why would i want protection from contact with assassins ? you're giving exceptional blowjobs!	[03:16]
ascii_modem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198474 << notice, i didnt say 'infinite'! said - 5!	[03:16]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 06:10:36; mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite	[03:16]
ascii_modem	5 is doable!	[03:16]
ascii_modem	plus they got doors.	[03:17]
ascii_modem	but you walk out when ~you~ want	[03:17]
ascii_modem	reality uninvited - can pound sand.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	this sounds like a great title for something.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	"Reality uninvited"	[03:18]
ascii_modem	death?	[03:18]
ascii_modem	see, a taleb only dies once	[03:18]
ascii_modem	wage labourer? daily.	[03:19]
ascii_modem	hell, hourly	[03:20]
ascii_modem	every time i burn to work on one of 'tmsr' items but nope, because slave	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	;;google "suferinta-i ziditoare"	[03:22]
gribble	Geneza 4 Romanian: Cornilescu - Bible Hub: ; Un cub negru \| Simple ganduri ale unei fiinte absurde.: ; George Mocanu \| „Diseară vântul va lustrui stelele din nou…”:	[03:22]
ascii_modem	??	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	how you say this in russian ? ziditor, literally, building, but it's only used in that form in a churchly context, "building into christ"	[03:23]
ascii_modem	no exact transl	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	ah must be	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	im positive romanian sniped it off slavonic	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of dragons, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdcgj5SEd11r4y7oeo1_1280.jpg	[03:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1L7muXL )	[03:25]
ascii_modem	зодчий	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	страдание поучительно.	[03:26]
ascii_modem	anyway everything i spoke of zips up under 'sleep ad libitum'	[03:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00054252 = 91.6859 BTC [+] {3}	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_modem	[03:28]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_modem for 30 minutes.	[03:28]
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ascii_modem	mircea_popescu: to a point. what does pirannha bath teach?	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	how would i know that.	[03:28]
ascii_modem	and, wanna learn? why not?	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	don't you need to bleed first ?	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42128 @ 0.00054446 = 22.937 BTC [+]	[03:32]
ascii_modem	papercut suffice	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	but i don't have a papercut.	[03:32]
ascii_modem	point was, the famous theorem, has a corollary:	[03:32]
ascii_modem	'that which kills you, does not make you stronger.'	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58802 @ 0.00053536 = 31.4802 BTC [-] {2}	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	worked for malcom x.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	but forget obscure commie activists.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	what's the name of that black schmuck ? i forget.	[03:35]
ascii_modem	haven't seen him strengthng around lately	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	the one that'd never have amounted to a hill of beans until some cop shot him ?	[03:36]
ascii_modem	'martyrdom is singularly unprofitable for the martyr' (tm) (r) (uncle al)	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	is it ?	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	is perelmanism singularly unprofitable for the perelman ?	[03:37]
ascii_modem	nah	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	all this suicide "indicting" has a single source : "you owe us"	[03:38]
ascii_modem	just that being a live hero beats the other kind	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	objectively or iye ?	[03:38]
ascii_modem	screw 'indicting', i'm just not quite ripe to be buried yet	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	well... others are.	[03:40]
ascii_modem	'... in the next attack, i promise to burn up!' (tm) (r)	[03:41]
ascii_modem	( http://www.gr-oborona.ru/texts/1083496454.html )	[03:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1L7o8bZ )	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	"Tokyo police are investigating whether a man who cooked his own severed genitals and served them to five paying diners committed a crime, the force said Tuesday."	[03:44]
ascii_modem	^ not first!!	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	Diners each paid 20,000 yen ($250) for a portion.	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26452755/php-curl-with-nss-is-probably-using-sslv3-insted-of-tls-when-connecting-to-htt << random fun with nss.	[03:55]
assbot	ssl - PHP Curl (with NSS) is probably using SSLv3 insted of TLS when connecting to https - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbPMQD )	[03:55]
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scoopbot_revived	On Walmart. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/on-walmart/	[04:57]
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mircea_popescu	gernika jesus wtf is wrong with people.	[13:40]
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mod6	!up ascii_modem	[13:53]
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ascii_modem	ty mod6	[13:53]
mod6	np	[13:53]
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ascii_modem	mod6 et at: i've a hypothesis: if we had parallel sig verification, miners would have a strong game-theoretic immediate incentive to seek out & use therealbitcoin nodes	[13:55]
ascii_modem	faster verif. >> less chance of orphanchaining	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	im not sure how this works ?	[13:56]
ascii_modem	have some icecream, think about this	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	i'm a miner, i can think. i run my own nodes, i run my own pool, i couldn't care less about you.	[13:58]
ascii_modem	the funny part is that only the coming of the mega-txspam could have brought this possibility about	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	i'm a miner, i can't think. i run some random derp pool, i couldn't care less about you.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	which ?	[13:58]
ascii_modem	own nodes aha. but gotta know you're on longest chain	[13:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10857 @ 0.00050443 = 5.4766 BTC [-] {2}	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	apparently you don't lol	[13:59]
ascii_modem	hence tuned into blks coming out of other miners	[13:59]
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ascii_modem	miner working on chain that's been orphaned is pissing in the wind	[14:02]
mod6	ascii_modem: qq about stator build script: I was taking a closer look at this and it seems that your version removes 'no-shared' from the openssl configuration parameters and replaces it with 'threads'. Any main reason here? I thought we needed 'no-shared'? Just curious since your script seems to work well.	[14:02]
ascii_modem	to know precisely when to stop, he listens to incoming blks	[14:02]
ascii_modem	mod6: no idea, i didn't even remember what was in your original	[14:03]
punkman	0.5.3 getwork is not compatible with anything they use	[14:03]
ascii_modem	punkman: ?	[14:03]
punkman	will be hard to use 0.5.3 for mining at this point	[14:05]
ascii_modem	why?	[14:05]
punkman	because we don't have getblocktemplate	[14:06]
ascii_modem	so?	[14:06]
ascii_modem	workfnction has not changed!	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	so, again : if they can think they don't need you. if they can't think, they wouldn't even know you exist.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	game theopretically, bitcoind is irrelevant for mining.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	but do not despair : the same situation was in place back when the power rangers maintained it.	[14:07]
ascii_modem	so the few miners who use parallel ver ~waste fewer cycles on orphan chain~ and wipe the floor with the rest	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	are you like deliberately not reading ?	[14:08]
ascii_modem	expand the 'cant think'	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	you know, spend three hours mining a spv verified chain because they just don't give a fuck.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	dumb enough to point THEIR hash at antminer or w/e	[14:09]
ascii_modem	and now the 'can think'	[14:09]
lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; )	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	wrote own software, been doing parallel sigcheck since 2013.	[14:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )	[14:09]
punkman	schmuckley!	[14:10]
mod6	hah Joe Schmuckley	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	ahaha great name	[14:10]
ascii_modem	do we have any detectable sign of 'can think' existing in the wild ?	[14:10]
punkman	yes	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	depends what we means.	[14:10]
ascii_modem	and i'll point out that if these people aren't talking ~directly~ to each other, they would still be verifying at speed of slowest link	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	why wouldn't they be talking directly.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	even the schmucks figured that one out apparently.	[14:12]
ascii_modem	'we' being something i could read	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem yeah, it's on the shelf right next to the secret cypher suites, have at.	[14:12]
ascii_modem	l0lz	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	understand : unlike most usecases for software, bitcoin mining presents exactly zero incentive to share code.	[14:13]
ascii_modem	aha	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	you DO NOT benefit from more people using your software.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	this isn't wordpress, or red hat, where you hope to make money downstream out of basically, advertising.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	there's a revenue model in place, and traditional software paradigms plainly do not matter.	[14:14]
ascii_modem	aha it's nuke war	[14:14]
ascii_modem	i would personally be surprised to learn that anyone bothered to implement multicpu ver prior to 950+kb blocks	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	what the current outsider schmucks (on #bitcoin-dev and etc) hope to achieve with their time is, release enough code that nobody* uses to give the impression they know their shit, so they can one day maybe join the actual miners as a junior analyst, and until then survive on conference rubber chicken.	[14:15]
ascii_modem	but sure, why not	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	it's a shitty game plan, but then again there's women aspiring to be singers, so.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	iirc the first > 500kb block was a year ago	[14:16]
ascii_modem	sure	[14:16]
ascii_modem	but it being sop - pretty new?	[14:16]
ascii_modem	needs spam	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	sop is meaningless for the aforementioned reasons	[14:17]
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mircea_popescu	this isn't a field where such a thing as sop may be a defined symbol.	[14:17]
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ascii_modem	just that without heavy blocks, multicpu makes no appreciable difference	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	on olne hand, you'd be surprised what is appreciable for mining	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	a quarter second is actually money	[14:18]
ascii_modem	then yes	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, some people do code defensively. rare but exists	[14:18]
ascii_modem	if mircea_popescu tells us that this exists alive somewhere, i'm inclined to at least consider it	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198564 << turns out.	[14:19]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 11:30:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161	[14:19]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_modem the gist of what i'm saying is that while foundation publishing the best code possible is a very useful and very worthy thing, you do not have game theoretic reasons to expect the things you were claiming to ewxpect	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	chiefly because that game doesn't exist, in a number of wayus.	[14:20]
ascii_modem	but will point out that we could easily have uptake among the not-quite-13373st but not the most ludicrously idiotic minerz	[14:20]
ascii_modem	with a public multicpu apparatus	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	this middle may perhaps exist, sure. sadly it's hard to observe	[14:20]
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mircea_popescu	which is a very concerning thing, as it happens	[14:20]
ascii_modem	this'd be a spiffy litmus for it	[14:21]
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ascii_modem	exists or not?!	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144076 @ 0.00050498 = 72.7555 BTC [+]	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	the broader problem is that the way mining works is very much discouraging middle, which is a serious problem, as death of the middle class always precedes centralization.	[14:21]
ascii_modem	would soon learn	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	the way this works is : if you're any good as a miner, you're going to have your own infrastructure. you might keep the pool closed,	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	but it also costs you nothing to keep it open	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	and so, once it's open, people that aren't every bit as good as you no longer have any incentive to continue	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	instead, they point at you.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	this is how the current "45% of network is dumb as rocks" thing has appeared	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	it was slowly nursed over half a decade by the above unfortunate centralizing force.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	not that this problem wasn't broadly predicted and discussed 2010-2011. the solution, predictably, from white young adult us schmucks, was "honor!1!"	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	it failed, predictably.	[14:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_modem	[14:23]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: so you see a way to reinvigorate the middle ?	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	no.	[14:26]
ascii_modem	i've been thinking of the mechanics of miner war	[14:26]
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ascii_modem	none of it points anywhere but moar centralized mines	[14:27]
pete_dushenski	next to hydroelectric dams	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	there fundamentally can not be a way to organize mining that's not centralizing, BECAUSE mining is going to have to follow the same rules, as that's what it does for bitcoin : checks them.	[14:27]
ascii_modem	mno	[14:28]
ascii_modem	plastique is cheap	[14:28]
ascii_modem	dams - fragile	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	ascii_modem: 'plastique' makes me think of explosives, but that can't be what you mean ?	[14:28]
ascii_modem	what else	[14:29]
ascii_modem	what, you think they won't ?	[14:29]
pete_dushenski	aha got it now.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	it may very well turn out that bitcoin is a case of wishful thinking, entirely being powered by the illusion that we've managed to "get free energy" for as long as this illusion that "miners can be centrally verifying in a decentralizewd manner" lasts.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	just like, you know, "coal burns in the furnace, yet coal in the mine will never run out" or whatever	[14:29]
ascii_modem	slavecoin then.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	goes right into the discussion re monetary incentives a week or two ago.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem again with the "Honor!!11" ?	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	what is with you people!	[14:30]
ascii_modem	honor?	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	yes. what else is slave coin ?	[14:31]
ascii_modem	just a different workfunct	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	slavecoin is honorcoin,	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	no two ways about it	[14:31]
ascii_modem	i dun see it	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	why are the slaves mining ?	[14:31]
ascii_modem	because fed to ants if they slack?	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	so honor.	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	survival = honour ?	[14:32]
ascii_modem	can automate the punishment a la cokemachine	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	what is this, greece ?	[14:32]
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mircea_popescu	even if you do. the ants are adversity. what's the definition of honorable if not "perseverent in the face of adversity" ?	[14:33]
punkman	!s slavecoin	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	and since an image's worth a thousand moans, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_1280.png	[14:33]
assbot	: http://s.b-a.link/?q=slavecoin	[14:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RrMqTg )	[14:34]
ascii_modem	is mircea_popescu posting from some planet inhabited by beings who die rather than slaving, en.masse?	[14:34]
ascii_modem	can't say i ever visited there	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	why do you think this matters ?	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	objectively, what difference can you see between the slave that mines slavecoin because otherwise the ants and the holy paladin that doesn't ravish the maid because... "he couldn't live with himself" otherwise ?	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	no difference. it's all "for honor".	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	they learned it the same way, too : by having it beaten into them as children.	[14:36]
ascii_modem	well as i understood, you contend that the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest that it can be protocol, answered 'they will take the ants' - no ?	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	no.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	i answered that in not taking the ants, they're doing exactly what people proposed miners do in 2010 : "well it's centralizing but they should honorably resist"	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	sure. they'll honorably resist	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	until the body gives way.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	which is an economic process.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i'm not putting enough explicit into this which i know from experience but perhaps alone. there is this thing that happens to a slave, when she's naked	[14:37]
ascii_modem	i'm posting from planet where maxint folks lived and died slaving with considerably less pushing than 'or ants!'	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	and i mean, mentally naked, not without clothes, but without any ideology	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	she can still fail.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	not because lazy, not because princess in her own head, but simply because there's an end to things. at which point she gets the ants.	[14:38]
ascii_modem	ah - that!	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	but up until that point... the whole charade had been powered by her trying to deny this. which is substantially what honor is.	[14:39]
ascii_modem	so next one picks up the hashng	[14:39]
ascii_modem	when n-1th is antfood	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	turning a broken system into an extensive broken system does not fix the system.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	what are you, stalin ?	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	"i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?	[14:40]
ascii_modem	he did though	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	even hruschev laughed at him.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	imagine that. hruschev! O!	[14:40]
ascii_modem	except that two continents still largely run on what he built 'at a loss'	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	"oh, this shit's pretty stupid" "dude, ITS HUGE!!"	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	what are you, from redmond ?	[14:41]
ascii_modem	h's laughter was the laugh of hyena eating the dead lion	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	imo that'd be more like beria, but anyway	[14:42]
ascii_modem	the lot of'em	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	like... you ?	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	or just them, the lot of them, up to an unspecified and unspecifiable border	[14:42]
ascii_modem	i'm a flea on a rat who ate hyena who....	[14:43]
ascii_modem	how else.	[14:43]
pete_dushenski	....father bought for two tzutzim	[14:43]
ascii_modem	^	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i dun feel cosubstantial with the idiots of the past.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	maybe another case of wishful thinking.	[14:44]
ascii_modem	i wish i did not	[14:44]
ascii_modem	but reality gets in the way	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	(this term, which probably does not exist in english, should probably be very much akin the xtian practice of eating crackers)	[14:44]
ascii_modem	i've never lived in anything but the ribcages of long-dead dragons.	[14:45]
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mircea_popescu	this is fascinating. perhaps the only advantage of being romanian, but also perhaps the only advantage that could truly be called an advantage	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	you get to be the first dragon, for lack of notable historical anything.	[14:46]
pete_dushenski	but what of 'transylvania mops the floor with rest of country' ?	[14:47]
pete_dushenski	what is that if not history ?	[14:47]
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mircea_popescu	so the anteaters won the battle with the lemurs ?	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	yay. you kidding me, these shits stand two feet tall	[14:48]
pete_dushenski	mebbe.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	there were like.... maaaybe two notable romanians. one was german	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	the other was greek.	[14:50]
pete_dushenski	but that shit was still the mold for the dragon.	[14:50]
pete_dushenski	or at least his fertilizer	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	color me skeptical.	[14:50]
pete_dushenski	so you're to be the first notable romanian in history then ?	[14:51]
pete_dushenski	'romanian' romanina	[14:51]
pete_dushenski	*romanian	[14:51]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno that i'm all that romanian, tbh.	[14:51]
ascii_modem	l0l	[14:52]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: than how do you have 'advantage' ?	[14:52]
ascii_modem	where then	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	how did that quote go, "In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion."	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski there's an equivocation at work tho.	[14:53]
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pete_dushenski	!up ascii_modem	[14:54]
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ascii_modem	what next, vlad t. also not romanian !?	[14:55]
pete_dushenski	thus is the fluidity of nationality as a concept	[14:55]
pete_dushenski	it's there when you need it and tucked away when you don't	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem pretty certain he was a basarabi	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	which is an ancient pecenegian clan. about as romanian as it gets.	[14:56]
ascii_modem	aha	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	(pecenegs are a turkic people, migrated in the 500s)	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what i meant was merely that i don't generally seem very romanian to romanians themselves	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	chiefly on the grounds of not subscribing to various idiocies that there as anywhere constitute the spirit of propriety.	[14:59]
pete_dushenski	that adverse response by 'the locals' is almost the entrance exam for la serenissima	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	best anecdote to illustrate this being, of course, that i had a (us born) woman over, many years ago, and she made some local friends (clueless kids all excioted about this english speaking american woman that knows computers and with nary an idea about the world around them)	[15:00]
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mircea_popescu	so then when i wanted to meet them she arranged a meeting and they were liek "oh, he's definitely not romanian"	[15:00]
pete_dushenski	if you're 'one of the gang' you're not using your noodle well enough	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, i actually owned the town and their sorry asses to boot. but hey.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski you gotta appreciate, at least at the time, being romanian was, to romanians, mostly a derogation.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	ie, the first step to establish if some item sucked was, "is it romanian made ?" for if it were...	[15:02]
ascii_modem	orcish sop	[15:02]
pete_dushenski	yes, i recall the 'working for foreign company' prestige	[15:02]
ascii_modem	same in ru (of the period)	[15:02]
pete_dushenski	strangely in usa right now, 'made in america' is mark of pride.	[15:02]
ascii_modem	aha	[15:03]
pete_dushenski	basically because corn doesn't have country of manufacture stamp	[15:03]
ascii_modem	at least if not car	[15:03]
pete_dushenski	so finished goods are rarity	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah, as in all dead empires. caragiale notes the case of the 1900s hungarian who declares that he'd rather eat soap wrapped in the hungarian flag than cheese in plain white paper.	[15:03]
ascii_modem	mno	[15:03]
pete_dushenski	the cars are basically corn at this point. see 'bioplastics'	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, anyone know the fascinating story of one guadalupe leija serrano ?	[15:04]
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mircea_popescu	this was a woman, married, with children. to a drug cartel boss. whose enemies sent a slick kid to seduce her, which the kid did. and he convinced her to withdraw millions of $ from her husband's secret stashes in the us	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	after which, beheaded her, and sent him the head.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	how is such a great story not in hollywood i wish to know.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	first mexican beheading, a woman. not empowering enough for the derpstablishment ?	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	more like bollywood material	[15:05]
ascii_modem	made in usa at this time (if not car) means that labour was ruinously expensive - and so there was no sense in saving five cents to make all the parts 'zamac'	[15:05]
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pete_dushenski	speaking of which : "Mexico's most notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman broke out of a high security prison on Saturday night for the second time, escaping in a tunnel built right under his cell"	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	!up bosma	[15:05]
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mircea_popescu	yeah punkman put it in earlier	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	my bad.	[15:06]
punkman	pete_dushenski: and the US officials are angry http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/12/politics/el-chapo-escape-us-officials-angry/	[15:06]
ascii_modem	neato	[15:06]
assbot	U.S. officials angry over Chapo escape in Mexico - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shfqs5 )	[15:06]
punkman	oh noes he will rape us harder now	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: and 'first' mexican beheading ? what of aztecs playing soccer with heads of enemies ?	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	who asked them anything ?	[15:06]
ascii_modem	wake me up when he puts put cigars in ashtray made from usitler's skull	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski well, modernly.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	ascii_modem you sleep too much.	[15:07]
ascii_modem	not enough	[15:08]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: well aren't we just the largest, bestest bitcoin company evar ;)	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	hey, "aztec" !==== "mexican" k ?	[15:08]
pete_dushenski	mayan ? i always confuse them lol	[15:09]
pete_dushenski	p.s. where's qntra ? i have a bullet in the chamber	[15:10]
punkman	qntra and search down here	[15:10]
ascii_modem	perhaps the people-who-dont-matter things-that-make-no-difference-d them?	[15:11]
punkman	heh	[15:11]
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ascii_modem	back to the mexican fella - in a very important sense he is more dependent on usg staying in business than a u.s. post office director	[15:13]
ascii_modem	no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa	[15:14]
ascii_modem	unless can retool for slave trade	[15:14]
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pete_dushenski	and vice versa. co-dependent relationship between 'war' and sinoloa	[15:16]
pete_dushenski	this was also lafond's point in the walmart piece.	[15:17]
pete_dushenski	that communities must be destroyed and middle class businesses bankrupted in order to fuel fight against nouns	[15:18]
punkman	ascii_modem: unless can retool for slave trade << you think they won't find new business?	[15:21]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[15:24]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 308.26, Best ask: 308.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 308.27, 24 hour volume: 59155.72683874, 24 hour low: 291.81, 24 hour high: 316.23, 24 hour vwap: None	[15:24]
pete_dushenski	https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.11.0 << derps still derpin', giving "the community" more options that no one will use, least of all the miners.	[15:32]
assbot	Bitcoin Core version 0.11.0 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShhoZp )	[15:32]
pete_dushenski	highlight : "Block pruning allows Bitcoin Core to delete the raw block and undo data once it’s been validated and used to build the databases. "	[15:34]
pete_dushenski	"The minimum was chosen so that Bitcoin Core will be able to maintain at least 288 blocks on disk (two days worth of blocks at 10 minutes per block). In rare instances it is possible that the amount of space used will exceed the pruning target in order to keep the required last 288 blocks on disk." << RARE !	[15:36]
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punkman	I'm working on some bitcoind debug improvements, I'm losing count of all the different printing functions	[15:36]
pete_dushenski	"Block pruning works during initial sync in the same way as during steady state, by deleting block files “as you go” whenever disk space is allocated. Thus, if the user specifies 550MB, once that level is reached the program will begin deleting the oldest block and undo files, while continuing to download the blockchain."	[15:37]
pete_dushenski	^some funky shit, this.	[15:37]
punkman	paving the way for bigger blocks?	[15:38]
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pete_dushenski	the 'dev' aren't paving their way towards anything.	[15:39]
pete_dushenski	every road they've built thus far has resulted in them chasing the roadrunner well after they'd already passed the edge of the cliff	[15:40]
punkman	sure	[15:40]
pete_dushenski	once in a while they realize that there's no ground under their feet.	[15:40]
pete_dushenski	and they apologize and 'fix' and blah blah	[15:40]
pete_dushenski	much to the delight of redditards	[15:41]
pete_dushenski	and much to our continued bemusement	[15:41]
pete_dushenski	and then they come back with another 'acme' product with which to catch that elusive little bird.	[15:41]
pete_dushenski	gavin and hearn are really cartoon characters	[15:42]
pete_dushenski	not even 'come to life', just plain ol' fashioned cartoon characters	[15:42]
pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/charlieshrem/status/620241950193643520 << bwahah trading smokes and buttlove for btc now !	[15:43]
pete_dushenski	https://www.bitcoin.com/en/bitcoin-news/1890688665366203630-how-to-get-paid-for-spreading-bitcoin << make money in your sleep !	[15:46]
assbot	Bitcoin.com - Daily Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShijJo )	[15:46]
pete_dushenski	" How to help spread Bitcoin awareness while earning money at the same time."	[15:46]
pete_dushenski	basically, arbitrage starbucks gift card deals	[15:46]
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BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/xgadx	[17:10]
assbot	yishan comments on What's the best "long con" you ever pulled? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVwVOW )	[17:10]
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*	ben_vulpes is sitting at the glider port	[17:40]
ben_vulpes	$bizpartner is going to shoop us around in a fiberglass meattube	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	nice	[17:46]
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BingoBoingo	Watch out for drones	[17:46]
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gribble	qntra.net is down	[17:50]
BingoBoingo	^ :(	[17:50]
decimation	ben_vulpes: sounds like fun, good luck	[17:51]
phf	i just did tandem paragliding at la jolla couple days ago, lots of fun	[17:51]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198592 <<< seems to still be down as of my waking up	[18:04]
assbot	Logged on 12-07-2015 15:27:06; thestringpuller: qntra down?	[18:04]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[18:09]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 308.44, vol: 22095.17486434 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 305.085, vol: 11840.51127 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 308.48, vol: 59735.86157865 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 312.0, vol: 9.70670778 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 315.00777, vol: 24737.37490000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 306.17251, vol: 138.4311849 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 310.1339889, vol: 184.89998436 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[18:09]
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gribble	average: 309.49411592	[18:09]
decimation	wow btcusd is on a roll	[18:10]
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mircea_popescu	no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa << dude, forget it. he was there before the us, he'll be there after.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	this mental masturbation of inserting us into things as if it matters. it doesn't.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	never has.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	never will.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	punkman "let's put the blockchain into such a state it's no longer a blochcain"	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	no fucking idea what they think it'll do, not like we don't have original copies.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah dunno wtf that host is doing	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	;;isup qntra.net	[18:44]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[18:44]
shinohai	o/	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00053515 = 18.2486 BTC [-]	[18:47]
shinohai	$ticker	[18:49]
decimation	my conversation with luke on friday night was enough to convince me that the bitcoin devs 'know what they are doing'	[19:01]
decimation	they think they can arbitrage their github commit credentials into power over bitcoin	[19:02]
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shinohai	lolz http://cloudminr.io/	[19:08]
assbot	cloudminr.io users database for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU774R )	[19:08]
kakobrekla	yup, thats the business model.	[19:12]
decimation	was that a 'cloud mining' business that has gone 'full scam'?	[19:13]
kakobrekla	looking at this, https://archive.is/cloudminr.io , its full scam going full scam	[19:14]
assbot	cloudminr.io: users database for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU7z2T )	[19:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128391 @ 0.00053149 = 68.2385 BTC [-] {2}	[19:18]
decimation	that's hilarious	[19:21]
decimation	takes chutzpah	[19:21]
decimation	http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/the-99-99-pure-climate-consensus-how-to-ignore-thousands-of-skeptical-scientists/ "One fan, James Powell, was so enthused he spent nine months reading titles and abstracts of 24,000 papers, and found only four scientists (4!) who didnâ€™t agree with the consensus. Some 69,402 other scientists apparently endorse â€œthe consensusâ€ (whatever it is) because they used the terms â€œclimate changeâ€, or â€	[19:22]
assbot	The 99.99% pure climate consensus – how to ignore thousands of skeptical scientists « JoNova ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU89O8 )	[19:22]
decimation	related: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm "A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to	[19:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IU8hwZ )	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[19:27]
jurov	http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2015/08/features/moores-law/viewall	[19:28]
assbot	After Moore's Law: how phones are becoming open-source (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShGpUn )	[19:28]
*	jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^	[19:28]
jurov	tl;dr: "chinese are still competitive at 40nm due to moore's stalling"	[19:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151344 @ 0.00053608 = 81.1325 BTC [+] {2}	[19:31]
decimation	this is the same stuff bunnie has been selling for awhile	[19:31]
jurov	!t m s.mpoe	[19:31]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00049705 / 0.00052663 / 0.00055436 (9040275 shares, 4,760.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00049302 / 0.00053002 / 0.0005789 (24834822 shares, 13,162.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0003539 / 0.00046213 / 0.0005789 (91786996 shares, 42,417.63 BTC)	[19:31]
jurov	who's bunnie?	[19:31]
decimation	I wonder if they have open source baseband firmware	[19:31]
decimation	the author of your linked article	[19:31]
decimation	ascii would probably emphasize the signficant distance between schmatic of iphone pcb and an actual 'full model' of how iphone works - and the even further distance between that and something 'hand verifyible'	[19:33]
decimation	except he would spell properly	[19:34]
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jurov	yes he'd say 'iPnohe'	[19:34]
jurov	but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice	[19:35]
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phf	jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop	[19:56]
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punkman	"Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s" doesn't sound like a good time to be settling in northern latitudes	[19:59]
scoopbot_revived	Scamazon. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/scamazon/	[20:07]
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PeterL	howdy all	[20:11]
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ben_vulpes	http://imgur.com/r0gv5oQ	[20:32]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzfXne )	[20:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69350 @ 0.0005352 = 37.1161 BTC [-] {2}	[20:43]
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scoopbot_revived	US Missiles Carry Out "unexplained" Commands in the Field http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-missiles-carry-out-unexplained-commands-in-the-field/	[21:00]
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solrodar	asciilifeform: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py and http://178.62.64.22/bitcoin.sexpr	[21:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Jd68IO )	[21:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Jd68Z4 )	[21:05]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/07/12/ennio_morricone_to_score_the_hateful_eight_tarantino_s_film_will_be_morricone.html	[21:19]
assbot	Ennio Morricone to score The Hateful Eight: Tarantino’s film will be Morricone’s first Western in four decades.	[21:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106700 @ 0.00053996 = 57.6137 BTC [+] {3}	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	punkman indeed.	[21:53]
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mircea_popescu	From: Contaduría Policia de San Juan	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	To: Undisclosed recipients:;	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	Are you in need of a loan or Investment funding ? if yes contact Jimmy Lien(Broker)	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	via email for more info < autocfld13@gmail.com >	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	________________________________	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	El contenido del presente mensaje tiene carácter de privado y confidencial. Si usted	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	no fuera el destinatario original de este mensaje y lo hubiera recibido, por favor,	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	tenga a bien eliminarlo.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	such country.	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.portalarium.com/ <<	[22:57]
assbot	Home - Portalarium ... ( http://bit.ly/1USz81e )	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	The Buzz	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	Richard Garriott's Shroud of the Avatar from Portalarium Raises Two Million Dollars in Crowd Funding	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	April 08, 2013	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	such sad story, this crowdfunding thing.	[22:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00051222 = 3.3294 BTC [-]	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[23:08]
gribble	Current Blocks: 365065 \| Current Difficulty: 5.1076366303481926E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 366911 \| Next Difficulty In: 1846 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 25 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: -7.68703	[23:08]
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ag3nt_zer0	http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/01/0110_030113_organpipeclynes.html	[23:32]
assbot	Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HplN9O )	[23:32]
ag3nt_zer0	" "Our budget isn't considered part of homeland defense, so it wasn't a priority," Thompson said, as he drove past the 20-foot (6-meter) hole in the border fence that Eggle's killer drove through. "But how long will it be until someone figures out that you could easily drive a semi-truck with a nuclear device through here?"	[23:33]
ag3nt_zer0	it'll be just about that long, Thompson.	[23:33]
ag3nt_zer0	just after we go to press!	[23:34]
decimation	"Meanwhile, a highly critical Interior Department report says that the department's law enforcement program is in disarray, and that the Park Service suffers from extreme organizational dysfunction. "	[23:40]
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ag3nt_zer0	yeah sure... having been to yosemite a few times recently and being so struck by the beauty I don't really dig the story - not to mention the mass media blackouts on the issue	[23:51]

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