Forum logs for 12 Feb 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* | asciilifeform has blood relations there, ditto | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | PeterL this would be the general sentiment. | [00:00] |
PeterL | mircea_popescu: but this sentiment is not reflected in the US press | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | how the fuck do you call these people in english anyway ? | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform dja know ? | [00:00] |
asciilifeform | who? | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | karachay ? cherkesia ? | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | circassians | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | the traditionally highest priced white chicks in arab slave markets | [00:01] |
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mircea_popescu | ah | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | as written in n. barber's 'the sultans' and other classics | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Flag_of_Adygea.svg < yeah that. | [00:02] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQpPR ) | [00:02] |
decimation | speaking of predictions: I predict that hawaiians will be considered 'official indians' and be put on the bezzle dole http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/china-threatens-arm-hawaii-separatists-who-want-ki/ | [00:02] |
assbot | China threatens to arm Hawaii separatists who want kingdom - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQvqA ) | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | chinese sea base in hawaii would be pretty epic | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | you know they want it. you know they could actually get it. | [00:03] |
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decimation | there has been 'debate' for years on whether the 'native hawaiians (korean slaves)' should be considered 'indians' and given bezzlars | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | that's clearly drawing to an end, yeah. | [00:04] |
PeterL | decimation: next bombing of Pearl Harbor comes from the east? | [00:04] |
decimation | well, if they have the patience to wait 100 years they might get it | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | http://www.dpvintageposters.com/cgi-local/detail.cgi?d=9685 << related | [00:04] |
assbot | DP Vintage Posters - Free Leonard Peltier Original USSR Soviet Union anti-American Protest Poster ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ectw7Y ) | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | decimation they could get it next year if they cared enough. | [00:04] |
decimation | hilariously, the actual hawaiian islands are 100% dependent on usg military, etc for income | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | decimation problem is chinese military has way more money. | [00:05] |
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decimation | if they became 'independent' they would just become someone else's bitch | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | ask anyone working for military tech, they'll tell you 2/3 to 90% of the chinese performance is due to "Stable financing" | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | decimation if they're going to be a bitch they might as well suck the shorter, better paying cock. | [00:06] |
asciilifeform | another factor is that the 'middle kingdom' has yet to invent the modern military golden toilet. | [00:06] |
decimation | I don't think the us military would give up hawaii without an actual war | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | o rly ? | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | lose 6 of the 10 aircraft carriers ? | [00:06] |
decimation | of course, if they are too poor to pay anyone... | [00:06] |
PeterL | it is a strategic navy port | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | and about 50 to 70% of the rest of the fleet ? | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | if they do that russia can simply move into poland. or japan. | [00:07] |
decimation | nah, the prc doesn't really have a blue water navy | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder, which way they;'d go. | [00:07] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation it has missiles capable of bridging to hawaii just fine. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | it's kinda close to them | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: would you take jp? and for what ? | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i would not take either. | [00:08] |
decimation | I don't think china has the balls to start a missile war with usg | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | pl makes a great nuke waste dump | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | just like latvia | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | so does japan nowadays :D | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | jp is full | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | but that's "why" : let the engineers move to st petersburg. | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | let the social studies experts rot in tokyo | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | is jp long on 'experts' ? | [00:09] |
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mircea_popescu | kind-of. | [00:09] |
decimation | now, the problem that usg has is that in 30 years, they might not be able to pay for missiles or soldiers | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | decimation: they're working on a smooth transition to straight inca mode | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | decimation if the chinese shock the market (putting obama in the position of putin), they won't have what to pay for limo gasoline with. | [00:10] |
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mircea_popescu | the entire non-"government shutdown" is predicated on rolling debt at 0.2% or less. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | this can not happen without chinese aquiescence. | [00:11] |
decimation | yes indeed | [00:11] |
decimation | well, china is actually a fairly small owner of usg debt | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | if the chinese go 8% or fuck you, that's the end of paying. for anything. | [00:11] |
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mircea_popescu | not a matter of "Debt ceiling" anymore. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but it's a fairly major player in the financial markets. | [00:12] |
decimation | http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/foreign-ownership-us-government-debt-passes-6-trillion | [00:12] |
assbot | Foreign Ownership of U.S. Government Debt Passes $6 Trillion | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRhUu ) | [00:12] |
decimation | well, the way all the 'smart | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | does that include the belgium trololol ? | [00:12] |
decimation | liberals think now, they would say 'that's not a problem' | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | so usg will move to straight command economy. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | sure, it's not a problem. but there's no paying for anything either. | [00:12] |
decimation | the fed will just print more bezzlars and loan them at whatever rate is our choosing | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | 'inca empire' | [00:13] |
PeterL | at that point they will need to speed up the presses and hyperinflate out of debt | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform it would last for what, 18 months ? | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | the incas carried on considerably longer than that... | [00:13] |
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asciilifeform | will chug on until the conquistadores show up. | [00:14] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what does usg have to compel a trade? | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | the incas carried out considerably longer on that principally because they weren't trying to keep carriers afloat. | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | that takes money. | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | takes slaves. | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | usg - has plenty. | [00:14] |
decimation | not to mention keeping old people & minorities in free living | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | only provided they're allowed to roll debt. | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | slaves to crew the boat, pull the hydrocarbons out of the ground, everything in between. | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform your model implies i am going to be able to buy off us destroyers. | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | eventually | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | within years. | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | aha | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | well... not much of a plan is it. | [00:15] |
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PeterL | what would you do with a destroyer? | [00:16] |
* | asciilifeform isn't usg vizier, isn't paid to plan | [00:16] |
* | asciilifeform only observes. | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | PeterL i dunno, shoot porn on it. | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | take it to venezuela and bombard the capital. | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | it'd make a good slave galley | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | fit oars | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | bwahahahaha | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | ok wtf oar fitted aegis class destroyer. | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | that's what i always wanted to see | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | it doesn't have to actually move | [00:17] |
decimation | actually the carriers and the entire dod welfare parade is only about 17% of the total usg spending | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | but it would be grand to see old 'movers and shakers' of usg row until the end of their days. | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | decimation but it's about 50% of the spending that actually does something, you see. | [00:17] |
decimation | yeah that's about right | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | the other 50% is spent on imaginary things that meet no pactical verification | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | like paper pushing | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | if you want to see usg spending, visit the 'potomac' quarter of d.c. area, for example | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | there's a difference between "keeping boat afloat" and "correctly filing form GX-22" | [00:18] |
decimation | well, most of that is simply stripping people with money and giving it to 'deserving groups' | [00:18] |
decimation | of that 17%, probably only about 10-20% of that is actually 'keeping boat afloat' | [00:18] |
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asciilifeform | at this point, virtually anyone living like 'upper middle class' and above in usa, is usg spending personified | [00:19] |
decimation | asciilifeform: you mean potomac, maryland? | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | (how? see tlp article) | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | decimation: aha | [00:19] |
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mircea_popescu | the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc. | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | much like the russian leftovers. | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | the mega-bezzle isn't simply buying carriers, it's buying countless yachts, mcmansions, etc | [00:20] |
decimation | as I recall mike tyson had a mansion there, had real tigers | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't he bankrupt ? | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | paying for hundreds of thousands of imbeciles to attent harvaprinceyaleton | [00:20] |
decimation | http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-04-28/news/0104280333_1_tyson-blaze-fire-officials | [00:20] |
assbot | Mike Tyson Potomac Home | Family of boxer Tyson unhurt after fire at Potomac home - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRWp1 ) | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | hmm, musta been diff boxer. | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | maybe hollyfield. | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | *attend | [00:20] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yes but most of those 'usg employees' are not actually on the official payroll | [00:21] |
decimation | lobbyists, lawyers, contractors who 'bill' usg for their services | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | decimation: virtually none of the real 'winners' are on civil service payroll | [00:21] |
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asciilifeform | nobody gets rich off civil service salary | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | 'consulting' - sure | [00:21] |
decimation | ;;ud potomac | [00:22] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potomac | The "Darkhorse" of rich American towns, Potomac is, based on per capita income , the richest community in the Country. While it is often believed that Greenwich ... | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | 'captaining' pseudo-industries - sure | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | ('intellectual property', etc) | [00:22] |
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decimation | someone has to 'provide' the muscle, buildings, etc in all those third world countries usg mucks with | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | cutting straight to the chase - the folks at the management layer of all of these bezzlatrons are kept in mansions, boats, 'hookerz and blow', expensive lawyering, investatron fuel rods, etc. | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | -this- is where the usg budget actually goes. | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | the actual slurping black hole at the center of usgalaxy. | [00:24] |
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decimation | yeah, they are closest to the money that spews forth from usg | [00:24] |
decimation | everyone else in wash dc is just the help | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | the $maxints that simply vanish into the mountain of paper, where a missing $bil in the balance sheets isn't even interesting to the accountants - to the extent the sums represent real, vs. imaginary buying power - | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | this is what ends up bought. | [00:25] |
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decimation | http://www.federalnewsradio.com/697/2012362/SIGIR-Defense-cant-account-for-87-billion | [00:25] |
assbot | SIGIR: Defense can't account for $8.7 billion - FederalNewsRadio.com ... ( http://bit.ly/19aSknt ) | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | ^ items like above are so plentiful that no longer considered newsworthy | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla: lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat << funny how that works, in retrospect huh. | [00:26] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform it's not the abundance that makes them not news worthy. | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | it's the simple knowledge that the usd is just a scam altcoin anyway. | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | would you / me / qntra / anyone give a shit about how many ether coins were "Stolen" ? | [00:27] |
decimation | http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/13146-medicaid-fraud-in-the-billions | [00:27] |
assbot | Medicaid Fraud in the Billions ... ( http://bit.ly/1EczpC9 ) | [00:27] |
decimation | "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | lol issa. | [00:28] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation clearly if more money were spent on healthcare everything'd be better. | [00:28] |
asciilifeform | ^ crank bait | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" << ahahaha epic. | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | oops | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled << this i meant. | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | them redheaded | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | them redheaded hussies! | [00:29] |
asciilifeform | (either one is meant to conclude that the figure is wildly implausible - or - realize that patients are not walking off with 2m each, and therefore xxx, and xxx is not a subject that can be discussed publicly in usa while retaining credibility in the state media) | [00:30] |
mircea_popescu | because crediblity in the state media is desirable now. | [00:30] |
asciilifeform | to the folks paid to give a fuck - yes | [00:30] |
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asciilifeform | the rest of us don't particularly care where the aethereum goes, as mircea_popescu put it | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | it is quite obvious at this point, roughly where. | [00:31] |
decimation | worrying about the flow of this money is the business of those folks in potomac | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | "Guy exposed a cabal of users taking over reddit yesterday, spawned a watchdog subreddit of 2500 subscribers overnight, was then banned by reddit's admins, all the subreddit's mods then banned, admins won't say why, and now they're handing the subreddit to the corrupt cabal of users who were exposed." | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | awwwww. | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | decimation: they don't give a fuck re: the flow of money | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | decimation: only the flow of the yachts, hookers, coke | [00:32] |
asciilifeform | the money - is a proxy | [00:32] |
asciilifeform | if tomorrow these things are not procurable with usd, they will be procured using direct corvee | [00:32] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: wai wat | [00:33] |
decimation | asciilifeform: I'm not so sure about that. the folks you mention are not exactly used to physically compelling people to get what they want | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | decimation: not personally | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | decimation: but they have an understanding with the specialist guilds. | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | decimation: mircea_popescu seems to think that this understanding will unravel if usd tanks, but i don't grasp how | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | ok so dear bitcoin-assets, please advise. I'm sitting here reading http://internet.gawker.com/the-lesbian-jewish-leftist-conspiracy-tearing-reddit-ap-1684788589/+tcberman and wodering : am i completely crazy to think this is related to http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ? | [00:34] |
assbot | The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB1M9 ) | [00:34] |
assbot | Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB4HE ) | [00:34] |
* | asciilifeform neither expert nor has access to the proper intel, however | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform but if your corvee theory is correct, why exactly was it that one could buy rusting cccp subs on the open market in 1991 ? | [00:35] |
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mircea_popescu | why didn't the politburo just corvee it out ? | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ru folks had something to surrender to | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | and they eagerly did. | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | greed ? | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | that something didn't arrive with free 'levi' jeans and disneyland passes for everyone, no | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | but the illusion was convincing enough | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | the us can surrender to the most serene republic | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | as i have told them to do already. | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | why not ? | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | i would accept fealty from a us puppet president, sure. | [00:36] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes. << o.O careful with that, sht hurts. | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | surrender of ussr wasn't the least bit centered on the brass | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo what triggered me was the 8chan pic. seeing how | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | and mircea_popescu knows this | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | !s 8chan | [00:38] |
assbot | 6 results for '8chan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8chan | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform but it was centered on the aspirational class. as typified by gorby. | [00:38] |
BingoBoingo | Ah | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | everybody from schoolboy in moscow to chukchas - surrendered | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | everybody who drooled over the 'levis' | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | everybody drooled over THE WOT. | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | was already surrendered | [00:39] |
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mircea_popescu | it wasn';t the levy's, not at all. | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | it was belonging. to what ? | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | to "the world" | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | which world ? | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | to the 'human' (vs 'orc') world where they 'know how to live' | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | well... certainly no the 1920-1970 continuum | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | right. exactly. | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | (a largely imagined animal, you pretty much have to have been there to grok this) | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | EXACTLY | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | so... how is la serenissima not exactly fit ? | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | so who and where is drooling over wot ? | [00:40] |
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mircea_popescu | everyone i know. | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | i mean, in the lands of barbarism | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | do the experiment yourself. ask peopel what the ideal world is. | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | notice what they express. | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | how they call it is irrelevant. note what they substantiall say. | [00:41] |
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asciilifeform | they're drooling over fast car, easy women, etc. - not wot | [00:41] |
BingoBoingo | wd mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/#comment-10019 | [00:41] |
assbot | USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcCXnP ) | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | not that i've seen. | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | for one thing, women are easier than ever. and they're mostly affraid of them. why ? | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | because they never learned to safely unscrew the detonator ? | [00:43] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done. < +1 | [00:43] |
asciilifeform | (in usa they have secondary anti-handling detonators) | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform as far as they see it, because fucktarded politburo is poisonng gender relaitons. | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | this is exactly true, incidentally. | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | that it is true is about the same kind of 'secret' as the 'missing $maxint' | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | so yes, the reagent is there. | [00:45] |
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asciilifeform | thing is, unlike soviet 'line', usg does not have a universally (or even widely) subscribed to opposite. | [00:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10927 @ 0.00042981 = 4.6965 BTC [+] | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform most importantly : note that at the time they surrendered en masse, less than 1% of 1% had BEEN THERE | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | right ? | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | they did it on hearsay. right ? | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | yes | [00:46] |
decimation | moldbug had a piece on this, then tried to invent some 'tarded 'antiversity' thing | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | the matches are numerous. | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | decimation: mr mold had enough brains to understand that his entire edifice falls apart without the answer to this riddle, but was unable to come up with a plausible one | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | and instead crapped out - well - that | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | necessity is the mother of invention. and also, stupidity. | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | and as far as 'man on the street' in usa is concerned - the opposite of usg is 'mad max'. | [00:47] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform but the "man in the street" in russia STILL has batyushka portraits! | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | it wasn't the man in the street. it was EXACTLY the famished student. | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | the guy who has to choose between "VC shot" and "WoT" | [00:49] |
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decimation | eh, as long as everyone in the us has a full belly nothing is going to change | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz? << i occasionally do it, but meh. | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | decimation nobody was actually starving in russia in 1988 | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | i mean that literally. nobody. more people were starving in new york than in russia. | [00:50] |
decimation | yeah that's probably true | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | this was a major propaganda point (soviet propaganda had the unique distinction of actually being mostly true). nobody cared. | [00:51] |
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asciilifeform | nobody... starving in russia in '88 << plenty in '93 | [00:53] |
asciilifeform | and yet 'omg111!111! levis' | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | right ? | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | so that's not a major driver of the behaviour. | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | also, it was plainly apparent to everyone in 88 that yes, 93 will be starving | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | NOBODY CARED. | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | even the people who could readily realise it'd be them, didn't care. | [00:54] |
asciilifeform | took 50+ years of 24/7 massage | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | the romanian folklore has the exact discussion of this behaviour, as folklore. | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google da-ma mama dupa gyury ca ma tine-n virfu pulii | [00:55] |
gribble | No matches found. | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | orly. | [00:55] |
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mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ63C-DLk_Q < | [00:56] |
assbot | Da-ma mama dupa Iura - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXNHgE ) | [00:56] |
asciilifeform | if every male in usa had been secretly wanking to chicom gurlz under his blankets since... 1920s? - then we'd have an analogous thing going | [00:56] |
decimation | and in his adult years, secretly reading foreign journals in his sharishka | [00:58] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform why's chicom come into it ?! | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | decimation well... qntra's getting moar popular :D | [01:02] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;later tell kermit fix your bouncer | [01:05] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell mandarin fix your bouncer | [01:05] |
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decimation | lol I didn't know that korolev was a zek | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | incredibly, iirc this is actually mentioned in teh logs. | [01:09] |
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decimation | ah yes, indeed. it is good to read old logs again | [01:16] |
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mircea_popescu | jesus this is hard. | [01:17] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems. | [01:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9279 @ 0.00042701 = 3.9622 BTC [-] | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015762 << this is lulzy. what it essentially says is, "this court will not protect the defendant's rights" | [01:28] |
assbot | Logged on 11-02-2015 15:54:47; asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants’ classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | the logical segue is, "well it's a LOT better to publish the stuff on the internet than to submit it to a court" | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | "i bet you mp wouldn't say the USG gets to make classified filings" | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015800 << leapfrogs ? :D | [01:30] |
assbot | Logged on 11-02-2015 17:34:08; ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use. | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now. << to get a 45% result you need something like 20 votes cast, 11-9 unless my math's deceiving me. | [01:32] |
assbot | Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNE79Z ) | [01:32] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: even judges want to feel like they are in the usg wot | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | there's no usg wot tho, is the problem. | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | why's chicom come into it ?! << example of empire to surrender to | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | there's no usg wot tho << closest thing to a format usg wot may be the infamous 'plum book' | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | russians didn't surrender to iran ffs. | [01:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00041568 = 18.5393 BTC [-] {4} | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | why would the us surrender to china. | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | they surrendered to the one and only mega-empire of the period. | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | no, they surrendered to the best wot to be had at the time. | [01:35] |
asciilifeform | that massaged them for surrender for half a century. | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | it wasn't even us per se, it was more west germany than us. | [01:35] |
decimation | asciilifeform: but the 'plum book wot' isn't really going to modify what the career bureaucrats think, see moldbug | [01:35] |
asciilifeform | reflects, not modifies | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | hanbot lol | [01:36] |
*hanboti* | nighty :* | [01:36] |
asciilifeform | unrelated, | [01:38] |
asciilifeform | in case no one noticed, | [01:38] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015730 | [01:38] |
assbot | Logged on 11-02-2015 15:09:50; asciilifeform: ^ it synced. | [01:38] |
mircea_popescu | cool beans. | [01:38] |
asciilifeform | tease preview: | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | i've a bitcoind monstrous chimera with custom allocator | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | but needs a little massage, and am presently mired in actual paying work (tm) | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | custom allocator, meaning, actually aware of own footprint | [01:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00041154 = 22.7993 BTC [-] {2} | [01:40] |
decimation | asciilifeform: how did you tame layers of c++/boost mempool crud? | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | magic. | [01:41] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | looking forward to the list drop. | [01:47] |
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mircea_popescu | whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up << why do you think your personal measures against fucking something up should be world-readable ? | [08:57] |
fluffypony | thanks mircea_popescu | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | if i keep a spare pair of panties in my briefcase in case i shit myself, i do not send a record of their purchase to the new york times, for publication in their news section, nor do i send the unfortunate reports of the occurence for the obit section. | [08:58] |
fluffypony | was starting to get on my nerves | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony a that. i imagine. | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | wtf ban evasion is this, can be arsed to avoid a ban, can't be arsed to fix bouncer. | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins << what exact bravery does it take ? you get dollars for it. | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | takes exactly as much bravery as eating cake. | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to << jobs pop up occasionally. you have to read the log to have a chance at them. this is intentional. | [09:00] |
mircea_popescu | why am i even talking at this guy anyway. | [09:01] |
fluffypony | oh my Pogo Plugs just arrived! | [09:02] |
mircea_popescu | o hey cool. | [09:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00042617 = 4.7731 BTC [+] | [09:09] |
mircea_popescu | iiincredible how chrome ate firefox' lunch. | [09:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3183 @ 0.00042615 = 1.3564 BTC [-] | [09:15] |
mircea_popescu | for the record, i've made a complete backup of tlp's site. 702 articles it has. | [09:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6781 @ 0.00042649 = 2.892 BTC [+] {2} | [09:20] |
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mircea_popescu | "Except the argument isn't grounded in reality. Saying something vague like "people need these drugs," misses the immediate point: which drugs? On what grounds is it even possible to say that people "need something" that didn't exist until a company created it?" | [09:22] |
mircea_popescu | heh heh. | [09:23] |
mircea_popescu | "The problem, in part, in this debate arises from scientists confusing discovery or research with invention. Looked at in terms of the production of novel material, certain distinctions can be made. Discovery and research are not creative acts. While they require creative thinking, they do not add anything materially new to the world. Alternatively, invention is the act of creating something that did not exist. There w | [09:23] |
mircea_popescu | as no Prozac or Tylenol until someone invented it." | [09:23] |
mircea_popescu | but... if it didn't exist... then how was it that "the company" made it ?! | [09:23] |
mircea_popescu | was there no gold before mendeleev ? or what, did he invent "eka-aluminium" ? | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | does all gallium belong to mendeleev's estate now ? | [09:24] |
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thestringpuller | oh hey, wassup romanian camel guy | [10:28] |
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chetty | and this is a bloody nightmare: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/11/fcc-commissioner-proposed-internet-regulation-mimics-obamacare/ | [11:32] |
assbot | FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/16XIJ1X ) | [11:32] |
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scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/synonymy-is-a-myth/ | [11:35] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/11/fcc-commissioner-proposed-internet-regulation-mimics-obamacare/ | [11:59] |
assbot | FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/16XIJ1X ) | [11:59] |
mircea_popescu | “adopting a solution that won’t work to a problem that doesn’t exist using legal authority we don’t have,” | [12:00] |
mircea_popescu | “nowhere does the agency identify any kind of systemic harm in the Internet economy, but nonetheless it invents one in order to regulate it, and so it’s this classic situation where we’re adopting a solution that won’t work to a problem that doesn’t exist using legal authority we don’t have.” | [12:01] |
mircea_popescu | pill to bitcoin ? burn down the internet! | [12:01] |
mircea_popescu | mebbe qntra worthy. | [12:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00043637 = 1.8546 BTC [+] | [12:08] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00042685 = 3.2441 BTC [-] | [12:16] |
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scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/statistics-still-the-hardest-part-of-math/ | [12:44] |
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asciilifeform | FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' << astroturf and misdirection. regardless of which branch of usg is at the helm (fcc or verizon) - the train will still end up at the same stop: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 | [13:15] |
assbot | Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZsTSk ) | [13:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00042481 = 6.627 BTC [-] | [13:16] |
danielpbarron | ;;isitup bitcoin-assets.com | [13:20] |
gribble | Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. | [13:20] |
danielpbarron | ;;isdown bitcoin-assets.com | [13:21] |
gribble | Error: "isdown" is not a valid command. | [13:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.0004366 = 7.4004 BTC [+] {2} | [13:21] |
danielpbarron | ;;isup bitcoin-assets.com | [13:22] |
gribble | bitcoin-assets.com is up | [13:22] |
mike_c | ;;isitdown bitcoin-assets.com | [13:25] |
gribble | bitcoin-assets.com is up | [13:25] |
asciilifeform | works great here | [13:26] |
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mike_c | ;;seen mthreat | [13:26] |
gribble | mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: |
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danielpbarron | very strange; i can ping it from my irc machine, and not from my laptop | [13:27] |
mircea_popescu | is your laptop on the fccinternet ? | [13:27] |
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asciilifeform | l0l | [13:29] |
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ben_vulpes | and now thestringpuller's flapping... | [14:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00043663 = 5.2614 BTC [-] | [14:48] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5560 @ 0.00043766 = 2.4334 BTC [+] | [14:52] |
mthreat | mike_c: i'm here | [14:59] |
mike_c | hello! have you seen the recent revival of the stemming argument. | [14:59] |
mthreat | no | [14:59] |
mike_c | the argument is basically that stemming is making it harder to find things on search.b-a, not easier | [15:00] |
mthreat | ok. i can turn it off easily, (and back on later if we want). | [15:00] |
mike_c | that would be great. | [15:00] |
mike_c | i think no-stemming, but having prefix-wildcards should satisfy everyone | [15:01] |
mthreat | ok, will be ready in a few minutes with stemming off. prefix wildcards are always on. | [15:03] |
mike_c | awesome. thanks. | [15:03] |
mthreat | np | [15:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043766 = 2.2758 BTC [+] | [15:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00043663 = 4.3881 BTC [-] | [15:35] |
pete_dushenski | http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/12/fuckin-diddle-her-twat/ | [15:36] |
assbot | Fuckin’ diddle her twat. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOzsbo ) | [15:36] |
pete_dushenski | ;;ticker | [15:41] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.15, Best ask: 222.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 222.15, 24 hour volume: 6238.07681239, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 222.99, 24 hour vwap: 220.711036885 | [15:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9445 @ 0.00043899 = 4.1463 BTC [+] {2} | [15:42] |
pete_dushenski | !up thestringpuller_ | [15:43] |
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thestringpuller_ | I got ddosed :( | [15:44] |
pete_dushenski | cloak went down ? | [15:44] |
thestringpuller_ | yea during netsplit | [15:44] |
thestringpuller_ | no other explanation for internet go down, and it's more than circumstantial that internet went down shortly after cloak went down | [15:44] |
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mike_c | asciilifeform: stemming is off search.b-a. give it a whirl sometime. | [15:45] |
thestringpuller_ | don't seem to get ddosed from freenode tho | [15:46] |
thestringpuller_ | from freenode webchat*** | [15:46] |
mike_c | maybe the regex isn't too good | [15:47] |
thestringpuller_ | jurov: what method do you use? | [15:48] |
thestringpuller_ | for ddos mitigation | [15:48] |
thestringpuller_ | I'll give that a shot when Amazon approves my fucking Amazon payments account. | [15:49] |
thestringpuller_ | they prefer to use Amazon Payments for billing tho for that | [15:50] |
thestringpuller_ | oh | [15:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9254 @ 0.00043663 = 4.0406 BTC [-] | [15:50] |
thestringpuller_ | Yea I don't have debit cards. | [15:50] |
thestringpuller_ | I pay for everything with cash in hand. | [15:51] |
thestringpuller_ | Yea | [15:51] |
thestringpuller_ | all that stuff | [15:51] |
thestringpuller_ | "ARE U TERRORIST?" | [15:51] |
thestringpuller_ | won't they fine you for giving resources to someone who is not "in the system" lol | [15:53] |
thestringpuller_ | aka "You can't buy bitcoins with cash because children and stuffs" | [15:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00043926 = 10.2787 BTC [+] | [15:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2372 @ 0.0008137 = 1.9301 BTC [-] {22} | [15:56] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7627 @ 0.00077322 = 5.8973 BTC [-] {27} | [15:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20382 @ 0.00043926 = 8.953 BTC [+] | [16:02] |
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pete_dushenski | so apparently paris is going right off the deep end with its "anti-pollution" nonsense | [16:08] |
pete_dushenski | as of july 2015, no cars built before 1997 will be permitted in the city centre | [16:08] |
pete_dushenski | by 2020, diesels made after 2011 won't be allowed in | [16:09] |
pete_dushenski | all this to try to "stimulate" the economy and "encourage" people to take transit | [16:10] |
pete_dushenski | i'm all for walkable cities, but taking some and not all cars off the road strikes of lunacy | [16:10] |
pete_dushenski | peugeot, citroen, renault probably think this'll help them | [16:11] |
pete_dushenski | like some sekrit bailout that no one has to know about | [16:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10565 @ 0.00043405 = 4.5857 BTC [-] {3} | [16:14] |
pete_dushenski | though this rule is only in effect from 8am to 8pm daily | [16:14] |
pete_dushenski | source: http://fr.reuters.com/article/topNews/idFRKBN0LD19920150209 | [16:14] |
assbot | Le plan anti-pollution de la maire de Paris adopté | [16:14] |
pete_dushenski | do we have anyone other than davout from france here ? | [16:15] |
pete_dushenski | i seem to recall one other at least... | [16:16] |
mike_c | he left cuz we're a cult. | [16:19] |
pete_dushenski | lol o that's right | [16:19] |
gribble | Order id 22002 created. | [16:19] |
jurov | ha. hustle must go on. | [16:19] |
pete_dushenski | i pushed panks over the edge, didn't i | [16:20] |
pete_dushenski | "France’s Total plans to cut 2,000 jobs, sell assets after big loss in oil markets" | [16:20] |
pete_dushenski | ^not going to be helped by moar efficiency | [16:20] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [16:20] |
pete_dushenski | but hey, iatrogenics are on purpose sometimes! | [16:20] |
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mircea_popescu | i have no words to describe how derpy argentines are. | [16:22] |
pete_dushenski | cut them some slack eh | [16:22] |
pete_dushenski | when was their last king ? | [16:22] |
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mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski basically what i see is a cargo cult generation. if you've ever seen monty python's twit of the year sketch that's basiclaly the idea. | [16:24] |
mircea_popescu | their grandparents were pretty cool. their parents rather mediocre. now they're fucked in the head. | [16:24] |
mircea_popescu | they kinda get a very superficial formal thing about granpa, but otherwise the head dun work. | [16:25] |
mircea_popescu | argentina is set for a much more major collapse than anyone seems to realise. | [16:25] |
pete_dushenski | hm. not sure that anyone is giving the 'tines much in the way of odds these days | [16:26] |
pete_dushenski | other than thumbing their nose at teh american judges, they don't seem to be thriving | [16:26] |
pete_dushenski | but hey, these days, who is ? | [16:27] |
mircea_popescu | france :D | [16:27] |
pete_dushenski | lol! | [16:27] |
pete_dushenski | mebbe that's why kakkes left. | [16:27] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, it's a great place, but the people are inept to a degree that can not even be put into words. doesn't even look like a year's famine would be enough, more biblical measures required, 30 years in the desert, stuff like that. | [16:28] |
pete_dushenski | the weather will do that | [16:29] |
pete_dushenski | see northern mediterraneans | [16:29] |
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ben_vulpes | pete_dushenski: i'm all for banning cars. | [16:31] |
ben_vulpes | horrid invention. | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | "no cars in town" is not a bad idea. | [16:32] |
ben_vulpes | especially in the mass production everyone having one. | [16:32] |
ben_vulpes | they're brutal on the roads. | [16:32] |
pete_dushenski | ben_vulpes: that's like saying "the car is a horrid invention because i don't like windoze" | [16:32] |
ben_vulpes | roads themselves aren't expensive, nor the maintenance thereof but rather the wear and tear from 2-ton tardboxes | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | pete_dushenski right. those twits ? their dad was nobody, some anon derp with, as orwell put it, "Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life" | [16:32] |
pete_dushenski | s/car/computer | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | but the grandfather was you know, "peccavi" | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | General Sir Charles James Napier, GCB | [16:33] |
ben_vulpes | pete_dushenski: well i exaggerate for btclulz. clearly *you* are deserving of your mercs and what have you, but the state of every pleb in their own plastic wheelbox has got to go. | [16:33] |
ben_vulpes | and yes, the "computer" as a modern invention (from the c machine on forwards to the consumer laptop) is an entirely awful fork in the technological roadmap. | [16:34] |
ben_vulpes | see previous thread about "wake me when compute costs 1btc/hr". | [16:34] |
pete_dushenski | well i'm hardly going to disagree that everyone getting something "just as good" makes the whole lot of us worse off | [16:34] |
mircea_popescu | soo... slavedrawn mercs ? | [16:35] |
pete_dushenski | no cars in town is a perfectly sensible idea in most parts of the world | [16:35] |
pete_dushenski | lol well the thing drinks like 30L/100km so that's a lot of (indirect) slave labour from the oil sands up north | [16:36] |
ben_vulpes | for all that it's a communist paradise, portland does get this right. lots of super annoying stop lights on major thoroughfares throughout the east side. | [16:36] |
ben_vulpes | east side being mostly residential, mostly small streets. | [16:36] |
pete_dushenski | iirc there was a german city that was going to all-out ban cars in the city centre | [16:36] |
pete_dushenski | a sizeable city it was | [16:36] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes that's the wrong approach imo. | [16:37] |
mircea_popescu | like the fucking speed bumps. | [16:37] |
pete_dushenski | as to whether this works in the populated arctic... i dunno | [16:37] |
mircea_popescu | i don't need to be jostled just because sopme other fuckhead can't drive at his speed. | [16:37] |
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pete_dushenski | ah, it was hamburg | [16:40] |
pete_dushenski | and it aims to be car-free in the city centre... by 2034 | [16:41] |
pete_dushenski | which is reasonable given that in 20 years the serene republic will own it as a summer resort ;) | [16:42] |
mircea_popescu | except this is a naked problem of power. i would be ok with a "no cars" town in which i personally can drive if i feel like. | [16:42] |
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mircea_popescu | i will not be ok with a "no cars" town in which the fucking mayor/police/you get to drive if you feel like | [16:42] |
mircea_popescu | and by "not ok" i mean i will fucking shoot you over it. | [16:42] |
mircea_popescu | this being a bit of a problem, practically. | [16:42] |
pete_dushenski | well imagine that there will be "no car" rules in most major cities in 20 years | [16:43] |
mircea_popescu | in the sense of "no cars for you" | [16:44] |
pete_dushenski | and that #b-a badges and #b-a plates will roam the streets freely | [16:44] |
mircea_popescu | which yes, it has to happen, because most "major cities" are inhabited by... twits. | [16:44] |
pete_dushenski | because no city mayor/police/etc can very well stand in the way of the leaders of the free world | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and... | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | this tlp guy... i love him. | [16:45] |
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mthreat | <+mircea_popescu> o hey, how's the south pole ? << well technically we only got to just past 60 degrees south latitude, but it was cool. Lots of penguins, whales, killer whales, seals, ice, and mountains. And retirees, on the boat. | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | you made it on everyone;s bucket list boat. | [17:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19423 @ 0.00042634 = 8.2808 BTC [-] {2} | [17:20] |
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ben_vulpes | but did you you know *make it* in the bucket list boat? | [17:22] |
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mircea_popescu | innit kinda cold '? | [17:32] |
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mthreat | lowest temp was about -1 C. It's summer in antarctica. | [17:39] |
mthreat | wind is a factor sometimes. highest wind we saw was 60 mph | [17:39] |
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mircea_popescu | ah | [17:45] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00043736 = 13.5582 BTC [+] {4} | [17:58] |
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pete_dushenski | https://twitter.com/stevejennings1/status/558577556749037569/photo/1 << dear pankkake, we're a culture, not a cult! | [18:11] |
assbot | Culture or cult? by /davegray Cc /goonth /petervan /jhagel /TomLaForge /umairh /shelleykuipers /katrynadow /gringreen http://t.co/BmNccK0s6h | [18:11] |
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mircea_popescu | the difference is negligible. | [18:14] |
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punkman | all I see is cornholes | [18:15] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15120 @ 0.00042956 = 6.4949 BTC [-] | [18:17] |
punkman | https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/565595253319938049/photo/1 | [18:19] |
assbot | **Putin arrives at airport, gets in line at customs** | [18:19] |
cazalla | you guys and your city living | [18:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00041673 = 5.6675 BTC [-] | [18:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00041271 = 6.3351 BTC [-] {2} | [18:44] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00041127 = 6.9632 BTC [-] {3} | [18:53] |
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cazalla | !up thestringpuller | [19:01] |
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thestringpuller | thx cazalla | [19:02] |
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thestringpuller | how is assets today? | [19:02] |
PeterL | quite quiet | [19:02] |
thestringpuller | i got ddosed I think. AT&T claimed it was a power surge on their DNS server rack but that didn't make sense | [19:03] |
thestringpuller | i hit a netsplit and the second my ip was showing the router started showing a lot of traffic | [19:03] |
PeterL | why does freenode show ip addresses anyway? | [19:04] |
fluffypony | why do any IRC servers show IP addresses | [19:06] |
fluffypony | like it's frikkin 1996 | [19:06] |
PeterL | seems hard to believe this is the first time somebody used irc ip addresses to target attacks? | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | PeterL because the last tiem anyone thought about this it was 1996, and the next time anyone wil lthink about this it will be to systemdize it | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | this is the first time powerful people were involved in irc, since also 1996. | [19:08] |
BingoBoingo | Tried building some stock versions of bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD last night. Here's the tail end of the compiler output where the errors spring forth from: http://dpaste.com/2RDXRT1 | [19:12] |
assbot | dpaste: 2RDXRT1 ... ( http://bit.ly/16ZY1CZ ) | [19:12] |
BingoBoingo | Build fine for a while, hit's a brick wall on protocol.cpp | [19:13] |
BingoBoingo | ^ Particular instance there was stock 0.5.3 | [19:15] |
danielpbarron | http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg07020.html "As such, the blockchain can never support All The Transactions, even | [19:16] |
assbot | Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 ... ( http://bit.ly/16ZZ99H ) | [19:16] |
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danielpbarron | if block size increases beyond 20MB." | [19:16] |
BingoBoingo | !up ascii_field | [19:16] |
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ascii_field | danke BingoBoingo | [19:16] |
ascii_field | BingoBoingo: if you want to build on bsd, set the ifdefs as if for mac | [19:16] |
BingoBoingo | ascii danke | [19:16] |
BingoBoingo | Digging through old porting efforts I get the feeling some linux settings use linux only functions in a pulse audio manner | [19:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7975 @ 0.00041068 = 3.2752 BTC [-] {2} | [19:20] |
thestringpuller | ugh pulse audio needs to die | [19:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5157 @ 0.0004104 = 2.1164 BTC [-] | [19:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10190 @ 0.00040904 = 4.1681 BTC [-] {2} | [19:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.00540625 = 1.0813 BTC [-] {8} | [19:30] |
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PeterL | !up thestringpuller | [19:32] |
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[]bot | Bet placed: 1.9999 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 67.9229 BTC. Current weight: 90,943. | [19:33] |
[]bot | Bet placed: 2.9989 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 70.9218 BTC. Current weight: 90,942. | [19:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11536 @ 0.00041993 = 4.8443 BTC [+] {3} | [19:37] |
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BingoBoingo | !up ascii_field | [19:46] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18253 @ 0.00043174 = 7.8806 BTC [+] | [19:48] |
thestringpuller | thanks PeterL | [19:52] |
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mod6 | BingoBoingo: you trying to v0.5.3 on BSD? | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24789 @ 0.00043756 = 10.8467 BTC [+] {3} | [20:00] |
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mod6 | !up thestringpuller | [20:06] |
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BingoBoingo | mod6: I'm trying to Bitcoin-qt on BSD. Waiting until night when it's colder so I can compile in the garage so I have more thermal headroom. Unlike the linux I'd been using OpenBSD respects this machine's temperature sensors. | [20:08] |
mod6 | ah, well anyway, i'm pretty close to having v0.5.3.1 building on freebsd | [20:09] |
ascii_field | ditto netbsd | [20:09] |
mod6 | (having a linking problem related to this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.1/src/util.cpp#L14) | [20:09] |
assbot | bitcoin/util.cpp at v0.6.1 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1voFlTE ) | [20:09] |
BingoBoingo | I'm at the firing in anger stage of quitting linux, so moving the tools I use to OpenBSD. | [20:09] |
mod6 | but im using boost 1.55, and i think i need to be using 1.42 which is horribru to get working so far. | [20:10] |
mod6 | anyway, with protocol.cpp: | [20:10] |
mod6 | add: | [20:10] |
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mod6 | #include |
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mod6 | #include |
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mod6 | at least, that's what I had do to do. | [20:11] |
mod6 | *had to do | [20:13] |
danielpbarron | haha BingoBoingo i have a fan that i clip under my laptop to cool during compiles | [20:15] |
thestringpuller | ugh boost is annoying to get working if you don't have the exact version | [20:15] |
PeterL | what does boost do? | [20:15] |
thestringpuller | It's a C++ extension library | [20:15] |
thestringpuller | to add things like threads and other random bullshit | [20:15] |
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BingoBoingo | It exists because the CPP standard library sucks | [20:16] |
thestringpuller | It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely | [20:16] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [20:16] |
PeterL | those are not available in c++? | [20:16] |
thestringpuller | no they aren't | [20:16] |
thestringpuller | you have to build it yourself or use another library | [20:17] |
thestringpuller | and as BingoBoingo just said, CPP standard lib is terrible | [20:17] |
thestringpuller | its like libc done wrong ~_~ | [20:17] |
PeterL | then why do so many people use it? | [20:17] |
BingoBoingo | PeterL: Because it is what they get paid to use | [20:17] |
thestringpuller | don't think satoshi had a sense of smell for code or would have known he was building bricks from excrement | [20:18] |
PeterL | what would you want to build in if you had a choice? | [20:18] |
thestringpuller | i would build everything in assembly | [20:19] |
thestringpuller | jk | [20:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00043159 = 1.7048 BTC [-] | [20:28] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00042107 = 10.0215 BTC [-] {2} | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | !up hegemoOn | [20:42] |
-assbot- | You voiced hegemoOn for 30 minutes. | [20:42] |
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hegemoOn | thank you | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | !up blz | [20:43] |
-assbot- | You voiced blz for 30 minutes. | [20:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00042519 = 1.1055 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
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danielpbarron | https://www.haiku-os.org/about/faq#top_4 "Haiku is not a Linux distribution, nor does it use the Linux kernel." << is this worth looking into? I don't know much about it. | [21:03] |
assbot | General FAQ | Haiku Project ... ( http://bit.ly/17pw1de ) | [21:03] |
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mircea_popescu | might be yes | [21:11] |
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danielpbarron | lol they take donations through coinbase | [21:15] |
danielpbarron | i'm trying to buy a cd but it doesn't look like they sell one | [21:15] |
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asciilifeform | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2015/Feb/42 | [21:24] |
assbot | Full Disclosure: CVE-2014-6412 - WordPress (all versions) lacks CSPRNG ... ( http://bit.ly/17pCkxx ) | [21:24] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu ^ | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | danielpbarron: haiku << yet another 'c os', but with questionable posixness and 'we're different because we're special' derp | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | danielpbarron: on top of that, x86-32 (yes) only | [21:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19953 @ 0.00042327 = 8.4455 BTC [-] {2} | [21:28] |
BingoBoingo | Haiku >> BeOS resurrection attempt. Neverming that BeOS and the BeBox were Power PC | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | beos minus the ui or the commercial softs | [21:29] |
asciilifeform | and minus the be. | [21:29] |
BingoBoingo | That too | [21:31] |
BingoBoingo | And incredibly slow to get to the point of resembling anything, much less being anything https://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haiku-selfhosting | [21:36] |
assbot | [openbeos] Haiku self-hosting. - openbeos - FreeLists ... ( http://bit.ly/17pFHEu ) | [21:36] |
asciilifeform | bebox, afaik, never had anything like 1g of ram | [21:37] |
asciilifeform | and was famous for smooth real-time interaction | [21:37] |
asciilifeform | (film editors, etc.) | [21:37] |
asciilifeform | these idiots - don't deserve so much as the time of day. | [21:38] |
BingoBoingo | Also bebox was one good looking piece of hardware | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this is not news ? | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | kindawhy all the bruteforcing of wp blog admin pws. | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | in that sense, not news | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | in other news, | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg << picked this up for later. | [21:44] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/170EIcO ) | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | ~17 usd. | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | available in qty. $maxint | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | (all the ports on the box are visible in the photo) | [21:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9598 @ 0.00040889 = 3.9245 BTC [-] | [21:48] |
mike_c | oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg | [21:49] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/170FCGc ) | [21:49] |
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jurov | i can't find myself :'( | [21:52] |
mike_c | jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. | [21:56] |
mike_c | https://s3.amazonaws.com/btcalpha/static/foobar.svg | [21:56] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/170HBdB ) | [21:56] |
jurov | i guessed it right | [21:58] |
mike_c | magicaltux is just past 3 o'clock. lots of thick red lines incoming :) | [21:59] |
jurov | yes,. guessed that too | [21:59] |
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jurov | !up brendafdez | [22:02] |
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jurov | hi brenda | [22:02] |
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jurov | !up brendafdez | [22:05] |
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brendafdez | thanks | [22:06] |
brendafdez | I was considering seeing that most anyone is running a ponzi scheme on facebook, I wouldn twant to miss out, but your opinion on the matter would be greatly appreciated. What would you consider an appropriate domain name? | [22:07] |
brendafdez | Either for the ponzi scheme or for a perosnal blog, i'm still not sure which one to do first ;) | [22:07] |
brendafdez | i did read the DNS post, thankfully my own name and the domain i use for pretty much everything start with br already | [22:08] |
jurov | lol why us? | [22:08] |
brendafdez | because | [22:08] |
jurov | !s forlorn | [22:09] |
assbot | 1 results for 'forlorn' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=forlorn | [22:09] |
jurov | ^my ideas, free to use | [22:09] |
BingoBoingo | !b 9 | [22:09] |
assbot | Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DTS8R8.txt ) | [22:09] |
brendafdez | ^facebook^bitcoin | [22:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040889 = 5.152 BTC [-] | [22:10] |
BingoBoingo | brendafdez: If you really want to run a ponzi scheme you might be better off on Friendster. Facebook is pretty much a law enforcement honeypot anymore. | [22:12] |
brendafdez | I meant bitcoin instead of facebook, I trid to replace the word later ;) | [22:12] |
BingoBoingo | And ponzi schemes are so passe. Better just go back to the old Black Hand racket. | [22:13] |
jurov | brendafdez: won't you rather do an affiliate for honest-to-God dice game? | [22:13] |
brendafdez | provable fairness is not my cup of tea | [22:14] |
jurov | !b 1 | [22:14] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14P0T6H.txt ) | [22:14] |
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