Forum logs for 11 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform decimation: ? [00:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24979999 = 0.9992 BTC [+] [00:02]
BingoBoingo I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..." [00:02]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics... [00:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik he's a sworn vassal of the estate. and some bozo bought it. [00:04]
decimation What did you mean by "SMBX"? [00:04]
decimation ;;google smbx box [00:05]
gribble SMBX Tutorial: How to make a message box - YouTube: ; SMBX Level Editor Tutorial | Advanced | Layers & Events - YouTube: ; Super Mario Bros X - Cheat Codes - YouTube: [00:05]
asciilifeform symbolics corp. [00:05]
decimation ah [00:05]
asciilifeform used to be on 'nasdaq' as smbx [00:05]
BingoBoingo ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong" [00:05]
gribble The Price Is Wrong, Bitch - Happy Gilmore (8/9) Movie CLIP (1996 ...: ; The Price is Wrong - YouTube: ; The Price Is Wrong Bitch GIFs on Giphy: [00:05]
decimation apparently there is a massive demoer scene for super mario brothers X [00:05]
decimation goes to show how forgotten symbolics is I guess [00:06]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.symbolics-dks.com [00:06]
asciilifeform david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee. [00:07]
asciilifeform not sure if he has any left to sell these days [00:07]
asciilifeform but if he does, and you want one, he'll pick up phone, invite you over. [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6894 @ 0.00085334 = 5.8829 BTC [-] {2} [00:08]
asciilifeform (that's where i got mine) [00:08]
asciilifeform the man is in his 80s i think [00:09]
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BingoBoingo A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more. [00:09]
asciilifeform the only other 'playing characters' in the outfit are, afaik, a fellow named kalman reti (software support; wrote the x86-64 emu) [00:09]
asciilifeform and, of course, the owner. [00:09]
BingoBoingo Reti did that beautiful presentation you embeded. [00:10]
asciilifeform for some years, it was a new york (?) serial con man, who bought and sold corpses of old companies [00:10]
asciilifeform died with millions in debt [00:10]
asciilifeform even had artificial heart, bought on a kited cheque [00:10]
decimation I wonder if you can run modern emacs on one of those things [00:10]
decimation lol [00:10]
asciilifeform didn't know a thing about computers [00:10]
decimation reminds me of that "rabite" guy that MP recently unarchived [00:11]
BingoBoingo rabite is a different monster... [00:11]
asciilifeform a source that didn't want to be named told me that one dr john mallery (mit) bought it for fire sale price [00:12]
asciilifeform after topping (con man) died [00:12]
asciilifeform mallery wrote cl-http, infamous for draconian license [00:12]
asciilifeform for some years it ran www.whitehouse [00:12]
BingoBoingo Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz. [00:12]
asciilifeform mallery is a 'man of wealth and taste', possibly consults for nsa & friends. [00:13]
decimation wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems [00:13]
BingoBoingo Wealth in itself is nothing without taste. [00:14]
asciilifeform what the present-day symbolics corp. is for is not a secret: [00:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30. [00:15]
asciilifeform http://usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22SYMBOLICS+TECHNOLOGY+INCORPORATED%22%2C%22recipient_duns%22%3A%5B%22966978090%22%5D%7D&sort_by=dollars&per_page=25 [00:15]
asciilifeform it brings in a few $10k/yr in maintenance contracts, dated into eternity [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.024386 = 0.1463 BTC [-] [00:17]
decimation Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things [00:17]
asciilifeform decimation: if i recall, they do cartography there [00:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? [00:18]
asciilifeform can't say that i can [00:18]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too.... [00:19]
asciilifeform re: symbolics: if anyone has a $mil or two in their sofa cushions, can probably buy it. but then you'll be conscripted into supporting the ancient contracts. [00:19]
asciilifeform it's worth about what a decent restaurant in a small town is. [00:19]
BingoBoingo So... $10 mill can piss on the contracts? [00:19]
asciilifeform i doubt the contract will be honoured when dks finally succumbs to old age [00:20]
asciilifeform there is scarcely anyone left alive who could take his work [00:20]
decimation well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware... [00:21]
asciilifeform it's more like 40-50k [00:21]
BingoBoingo Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35 [00:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unlike the airplane folks, this is a case where the rubber actually hits the road. there's a couple dozen ancient boxes, that cannot be replaced. [00:22]
asciilifeform proggys dating to gulf war 1 (at least) for which there will be no substitute [00:22]
asciilifeform etc [00:22]
decimation well, the can be "replaced", FAA style [00:23]
asciilifeform sure [00:23]
asciilifeform AmEx was once the largest customer of smbx [00:23]
BingoBoingo Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane. [00:23]
decimation these people have been "replacing" routing software since the 90's http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/stars.htm [00:23]
assbot Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS) [00:23]
asciilifeform they sold thousands of surplus boxes when they moved to some 'enterprise' crudware [00:23]
decimation this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas [00:24]
asciilifeform (the lisp machines ran a fraud detector heuristic gizmo, afaik the first of its kind.) [00:24]
decimation old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers) [00:24]
BingoBoingo Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog??? [00:25]
decimation how could any thinking person consider a winblows interface an 'upgrade'? [00:25]
decimation using a mouse on a cash register is going to be demonstrably slower for data entry for one thing [00:26]
asciilifeform the way this usually works is that old vendor (say, ibm) either 'end of lifes' or decides to charge a fortune for support [00:26]
asciilifeform microshit comes and offers to 'help' [00:26]
BingoBoingo decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit. [00:26]
asciilifeform etc [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00085386 = 7.514 BTC [+] {3} [00:26]
decimation well portable ipad based bodegas or whatever are a corner case. I'm talking about Target [00:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: on the contrary, using portables as a student is what got me using 'ratpoison' [00:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: try using 'clitoral mouse' on the old toshibas, for example [00:27]
decimation I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted? [00:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Really. Clitoral mouse pushes me into a left side xfce panel. [00:27]
BingoBoingo Cwm makes me want a real keyboard. [00:28]
decimation I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd [00:28]
asciilifeform decimation: nothing like the target corp. 'hack' takes place without the cooperation of managerial traitors [00:28]
BingoBoingo decimation: What about bar codes. Reisters are run by tards. [00:28]
decimation bar code readers are a trival add-on character device [00:29]
BingoBoingo Also.. am I actually drunk or am I coding messages... [00:29]
decimation I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen [00:30]
BingoBoingo And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving... [00:30]
asciilifeform decimation: i distinctly recall when the libraries here went winblows [00:30]
asciilifeform threw out hundreds of perfectly good ibm green screens [00:31]
decimation yeah exactly with great model m style keyboards [00:31]
decimation I think unisys bought the main library vendor [00:31]
BingoBoingo I still can't fucking believe RDF beat Dublin core. [00:31]
BingoBoingo LIke Nigbungu brainwashed everyone. [00:32]
BingoBoingo And I have yet to verify a nigger with black skin. I've only met white niggers. [00:33]
decimation re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason [00:35]
asciilifeform decimation: u.s. software industry was essentially exempted from ordinary consumer liability by statute some time in the '80s [00:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2498 = 1.249 BTC [+] [00:35]
asciilifeform don't make the mistake of thinking of this as a 'prime mover' though [00:35]
asciilifeform the bureaucrats simply bent under the weight of the seemingly inevitable [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.024389 = 0.9512 BTC [+] [00:36]
BingoBoingo Eh, come Septemeber one project of mine might consist of making interesting case law. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/ [00:36]
assbot Inconvenience | Bingo Blog [00:37]
decimation for example, I read this story in the morning paper: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25730375/estate-of-late-state-health-director-files [00:37]
assbot Estate of Loretta Fuddy, state health director killed in plane c - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL [00:37]
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decimation the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) [00:37]
BingoBoingo Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so. [00:38]
asciilifeform that makes what, 6? 7? 'interesting' people died in private airplanes in the past year or two [00:38]
asciilifeform in usa. [00:38]
decimation her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop [00:38]
BingoBoingo Fuck, I've have never been measured having a "normal" heart beat. [00:38]
decimation how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island) [00:39]
BingoBoingo Because Pratt is in the engine industry and Ellison is in the problem industry. [00:40]
BingoBoingo Also aside from torsades de points no ununsual heart beats are that... rare [00:40]
asciilifeform what are they to do - sue the nice folks who put the thermite limpet in the turbine the night before? [00:41]
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decimation well, "died of cardiac arrythmia" could be more properly stated as "died of being old, fat and out of shape" [00:41]
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BingoBoingo Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats [00:42]
asciilifeform or should they sue the bartender who mixed the a saxitoxin cocktail? [00:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.024389 = 0.4878 BTC [+] [00:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.251 = 0.502 BTC [+] {2} [00:42]
decimation yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices [00:43]
BingoBoingo What devices, hearts are easy to treat pharmaceutically. Hearts are awfully deterministic for organic machines. [00:43]
decimation ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well [00:44]
decimation why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? [00:44]
* asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun [00:44]
decimation or fall out of a building [00:44]
asciilifeform that, etc. [00:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00229936 = 0.1012 BTC [-] [00:45]
asciilifeform at the rate the bureaucrats work, might die of old age. can never get quality service around here! [00:46]
BingoBoingo All of those are too obvious vor contemporary assassinations. What about was prescribed too much Vitamin D3? [00:46]
BingoBoingo Is no one creative anymore? [00:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bunch of folks in ussr once died from vitamin d overdose. a tank of it was stolen and sold as 'cooking oil' (has roughly the correct appearance and consistency) [00:48]
BingoBoingo It does indeed [00:48]
asciilifeform interestingly no mention of this on pediwikia [00:49]
asciilifeform the case was an interesting one, in that it was initially treated as epidemic [00:50]
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asciilifeform they ended up having to call in the soviet equivalent of a 'pinkerton' to crack the puzzle [00:50]
asciilifeform (what did the corpses have in common) [00:50]
BingoBoingo Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones... [00:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see also the death of slobodan m. [00:51]
asciilifeform (conveniently given the 'opposite' heart rate med shortly before he was to testify) [00:52]
BingoBoingo The thing is I would have had no idea until I was accidentallied the pharmacy school's microphone slave. [00:53]
BingoBoingo Then again people with ideas are idiots. [00:54]
BingoBoingo I seriously wonder what will happen now at the late August court date since... I am not an idiot and the acting DA should not be an idiot and is not inocent. [00:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02777999 = 0.1389 BTC [-] {3} [00:57]
BingoBoingo I mean the Federalk government has all of these weird laws to blow the whistle on. [00:57]
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BingoBoingo Most people can survive the regime on civilized arrangements. [00:58]
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BingoBoingo !up justusranvier [00:58]
* assbot gives voice to justusranvier [00:58]
BingoBoingo justusranvier: Plz say your dog is okay. [00:59]
asciilifeform i often wonder how many people go to bed every night, with not one nailgun wound, disappointed at their insignificance [00:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've been dping that since the not at all secret saturday reveal. I am disappoint [00:59]
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asciilifeform 'i'm still alive, must be a tard' [00:59]
BingoBoingo Indeed. My new alias is Tater Totz [01:00]
BingoBoingo Fuck me [01:00]
BingoBoingo I suck [01:00]
BingoBoingo Oh, someone else is using the nick Tater Totz [01:01]
BingoBoingo This... must really suck for them... [01:01]
* asciilifeform doesn't get the reference - or really want to [01:01]
justusranvier BingoBoingo: She is ok [01:02]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The reference is merely to the pseudo source of carbo hydrates. [01:02]
BingoBoingo justusranvier: That is great. [01:02]
justusranvier Suppose I should tweet a follow up [01:02]
BingoBoingo Dogs are too much better than us to suffer much [01:02]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/476576385796825088 [01:07]
assbot I'm a big Matt Carpenter fan. But, for Pete's sake, swing the bat! /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash [01:07]
justusranvier I am rather fond of them but I wouldn't go so far as to say "better than us". [01:07]
BingoBoingo justusranvier: Name a single person other people would knwo who inheres the property of being innocent... [01:08]
justusranvier BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/476575872636289024 [01:09]
assbot She's doing much better than a few days ago. http://t.co/0DRu2ae1qD [01:09]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/476491781614624768 [01:09]
assbot It's not everyday you get a letter from the NSA. :-) /hashtag/FOIA?src=hash http://t.co/nmXYFpF8CS [01:09]
BingoBoingo Thank you justusranvier [01:10]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ << [01:10]
assbot On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:10]
mircea_popescu mp proudly presents. [01:10]
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BingoBoingo That is some hella timing [01:10]
BingoBoingo Also, I am probably never refering to canonical's product ever again as anything but nigbuntu. Even Windows is almost better. [01:12]
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mircea_popescu lol [01:12]
mircea_popescu but why nig ? [01:12]
BingoBoingo Because in dutch "nig" and "ignorant" resolve to the same root word. [01:13]
mircea_popescu oic. [01:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. << prolly. [01:14]
BingoBoingo Also, seriously, nothing was logging system faults. I share some blame for not ensuring this, but... Who the fuck did I expect to do this. [01:15]
BingoBoingo Lazy ass watermelon eating Mark Shuttleworth. [01:16]
mircea_popescu hm, syslog ? [01:16]
BingoBoingo Makes me hope there is NEVER a new Rhodesia. [01:16]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Firefox crashed opening a cryptome link. [01:17]
mircea_popescu uh [01:17]
mircea_popescu that's not likely a kernel errror [01:17]
asciilifeform if all (even userland) crashes were exploitable - we'd all be rich [01:18]
asciilifeform (or just very sad) [01:18]
BingoBoingo I assumed all crashes were logged, but I was too niggardly to make sure. [01:19]
BingoBoingo Now I'm connected to IRC through a pile of lies. [01:20]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [01:20]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [01:20]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/186BRM9.txt ) [01:20]
asciilifeform ratio of crashes to useful (exploitable) crashes is roughly like kimberlite to diamond. [01:20]
BingoBoingo Explain those minerals in Eve terms... [01:21]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ [01:21]
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BingoBoingo Also... I'm glad I never turn the Ultra 5 off [01:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: volcanic rock, found in za [01:21]
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mircea_popescu davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp << if you believe the numbers, yes. [01:23]
BingoBoingo Za mean nothing now that South africa has the abreviation. Where did the great Rhodesia go??? [01:23]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust nkuttler [01:24]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nkuttler!~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nkuttler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nkuttler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nkuttler | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 17:12:48 2013 [01:24]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally you can still get '.su' [01:24]
BingoBoingo Wake me up when I can get .nig [01:24]
BingoBoingo SHort for shuttleworth [01:25]
asciilifeform wonder who will have '.us' a decade hence [01:25]
BingoBoingo Never since Adrian IV has someone squandered prominence as much as Shuttlecock has. [01:25]
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mircea_popescu !up joesmoe [01:26]
-assbot- You voiced joesmoe for 30 minutes. [01:26]
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mircea_popescu to auto-voice you need to a) identify with gribble. you don't need gpg for this, tho gpg works. you can also identify with your btc address ; b) be in assbot's l2 trust. [01:27]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe [01:27]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013 [01:27]
mircea_popescu you currently are not, which is why assbot isn't upping you. [01:27]
joecool ;;gettrust assbot joecool [01:28]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011 [01:28]
BingoBoingo Through this mess of VM's I'll also say the portale's original Mobo is dead. Fuck you '12 BIOS update. [01:28]
mircea_popescu punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0 << holy shit that 2nd post reads like yahoo answers [01:28]
assbot Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev? [01:28]
mircea_popescu they've created their own community alright. [01:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu's post: führerprinzip, it works. preaching to choir? [01:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im justannoyed that people like mises and hayek, ultimate fucking socialists, are represented as some sort of anti-socialism. [01:29]
mircea_popescu fucking bullshit, collectivists arguing with each other as to the proper way to the gallows, pretending like it's a world. [01:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, ~= 'единоначалие'. how do you say 'führerprinzip' in english? 'steve jobs' ? [01:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think these are the same tbh. [01:30]
asciilifeform true [01:30]
asciilifeform if they were, there'd be no need to learn languages [01:31]
mircea_popescu there's this very active, latin approach to leadership that i object to. [01:31]
mircea_popescu your leader is not fucking here to tell you what to do. [01:31]
asciilifeform i like to call it 'playing civ-1' [01:31]
mircea_popescu it's exhausting. [01:31]
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asciilifeform stalin was never more frustrated and ineffective than when he played civ1 [01:31]
mircea_popescu lol [01:32]
mircea_popescu what, on the early years of the front? [01:32]
asciilifeform there, and occasionally at home [01:32]
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BingoBoingo My favorite part of C machines is their capacity for deception. [01:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer << lmao [01:36]
mircea_popescu jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao << always has been. by... mtgox. bcause... "it;'s better someone with bitcoin's interests at heart have the tm than someone random" [01:37]
mircea_popescu now it will be bought for pennies in a court auction, and you will ALL have to be on my pissing on patents submarine, willy-nilly. [01:37]
mircea_popescu well, the dorks that made bitcoin* stuff, at any rate. [01:37]
asciilifeform cue the 'we live in submarine' song [01:38]
mircea_popescu drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here << lol fluffypony who's she ? [01:40]
mircea_popescu !up drawingthesun [01:40]
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BingoBoingo It is truly amazing what happens when you walk a disgraced judge's steps backwards a few steps. [01:40]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:40]
mircea_popescu pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous << the lumbar yard! [01:41]
BingoBoingo I know I've played chess here a few times. In the interim have batter cess players found their way here? [01:42]
BingoBoingo moiety??? [01:43]
mircea_popescu mnope [01:43]
mircea_popescu ;;seen moiety [01:43]
BingoBoingo Ah [01:43]
gribble moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: ok moving time, see yous later! [01:43]
mircea_popescu wonder what happened to her [01:44]
BingoBoingo Prolly Phone blindness [01:44]
asciilifeform finally bought manul ? [01:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Manul won't counter my Pirc defense with an Austrian attack so boring... [01:45]
asciilifeform (phun phact. last i checked, you can legally own and keep any animal you wish in a moscow apartment.) [01:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Same holds in Missouri. [01:45]
asciilifeform there's a clip somewhere of a happy owner of siberian lynx in a little flat there. [01:45]
asciilifeform 8th floor. [01:45]
BingoBoingo Missouri is the only US state that keeps the promise. [01:46]
asciilifeform (new meaning for tired old 'longcat is long') [01:46]
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penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-updates-imperial-monarch-might-ship-600gh-model-now/ [01:49]
decimation mircea_popescu - your intro to the Hayek post calls to mind Mr. Moldbug's point about "chronic kinglessness" [01:51]
decimation most of the west would be unable to pass the test of being willing to happily die for the wishes of a particular man or set of men [01:52]
asciilifeform decimation: carlyle, evola, ..., ..., limonov, moldy... if one were to spit out all the folks who complained about kinglessness, freenode will boot you for flooding [01:52]
decimation yeah, when you think clearly about the nature of soveriegnty, it becomes obvious [01:53]
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[]bot Bet created: "Yankees to get most all-star selections" http://bitbet.us/bet/895/ [01:55]
decimation also, modern china, singapore, dubai, etc show that "totalitarianism" (lack of collectivism?) is hardly a barrier to economic development [01:55]
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asciilifeform 'All cannot play the king, and a host of leaders is no wise thing. Let us have but the one leader, the one true king...' - homer's iliad, part ii [01:57]
asciilifeform etc [01:57]
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asciilifeform decimation: the subject of democracy as a successful parasite on wealthy nations was beaten to death by countless people. [01:59]
asciilifeform before mr. m touched it [01:59]
asciilifeform somehow he gets credited with it by the reddit folks, sorta like tim leary getting credit for lsd [01:59]
asciilifeform (most americans seem to think that leary discovered it) [02:00]
decimation yeah that's a good point. I guess the reason I "credit" him is because he was the one who brought me out of my ignorance on the subject [02:00]
* BingoBoingo actually had a grad class that spent a few weeks on the Leary papers. [02:00]
decimation but there is no doubt that it is ancient complaint [02:01]
asciilifeform pity he couldn't stop at popularizing and had to mix in assorted crud. [02:02]
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asciilifeform when we make monkey noises at moldbug, have to remember, the man perhaps should not be held responsible for his audience [02:03]
mircea_popescu decimation how;s that one go ? [02:03]
asciilifeform 'you go to war with the enemy you had, not the enemy you wish you had' - or how'd that go. [02:03]
decimation the complaint about the degenerate nature of democracy (and its various aliases)? [02:04]
mircea_popescu the irony being that democracy works fine... here. [02:04]
mircea_popescu among people who comprehend the nature of freedom, so to speak. [02:04]
mircea_popescu which is notreally distinct from the nature of sovereignity. [02:04]
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BingoBoingo There are geographic anamalies that break democracies and republics, the premier example of which is Illinois. [02:05]
asciilifeform incidentally, old russian folk phrase for a fool, 'без царя в голове' - literally, 'without a king in his head' is useful & applicable [02:05]
asciilifeform sovereignty starts 'at home' [02:05]
mircea_popescu pretty much [02:06]
asciilifeform some american or other wrote about 'femtoeconomics' - keeping order in your own brain, i think it was [02:06]
asciilifeform perhaps similar concept [02:06]
decimation my brain recalls moldbug's discussion of cis vs. trans democracy [02:06]
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asciilifeform mr mold sometimes reminds me of a kid, given a chess set but with no notion of the game, treating the pieces as a curious kind of marble / blunt or pointed weapon. [02:08]
decimation yeah, he has mastered that "alien" form of thinking [02:08]
BingoBoingo WTF is cs vs. trans. SHould be dex vs. levo... [02:09]
decimation well, I don't think he's an expert chemist... [02:10]
asciilifeform obligatory: [02:10]
asciilifeform http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm [02:10]
assbot Why is there Anti-Intellectualism? [02:10]
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BingoBoingo That isn't expert shit, that is learning things rotate shit. [02:11]
asciilifeform 'It is useful, however, to distinguish between tinkering and creativity...' [02:11]
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asciilifeform '...The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of childlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite.' [02:11]
mircea_popescu not a bad observation. [02:13]
mircea_popescu too many kids running around, raising kids of their own [02:13]
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decimation asciilifeform, that's a brilliant essay, thanks for the link. [02:20]
decimation It strikes me that curiousity is a feature of genetic expression [02:20]
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mircea_popescu decimation indeed it is. [02:26]
mircea_popescu that's also why it continues to exist after havingkilled numerous cats [02:26]
[]bot Bet created: "S.MG profitable in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/897/ [02:26]
BingoBoingo %ticker [02:36]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 260 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 4k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143 [02:36]
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BingoBoingo OMG [02:41]
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mircea_popescu "Sub-Saharan Africans never discovered Madagascar. Madagascar was settled initially by sailors from Indonesia" [03:10]
mircea_popescu perhaps some reparations are in order. [03:10]
mircea_popescu Africans never discovered nearby islands like the Cape Verde archipelago. [03:10]
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mircea_popescu http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm << splendid read indeed. [03:23]
assbot Why is there Anti-Intellectualism? [03:23]
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dub indeed [04:25]
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fluffypony rice boys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2K2lCgbXw [04:35]
assbot Who needs air? (Better Quality) - YouTube [04:35]
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decimation for those innocent of the subject, here's a video that gives a taste of the Chinese dominance of the electronics market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtRJc-z05k [04:41]
assbot Electronics shops in Hua Qiang Bei, Shenzhen, China - YouTube [04:41]
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davout good morning [04:58]
fluffypony morningz [04:59]
Naphex morning [04:59]
davout ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! [05:00]
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pankkake http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5265047&cid=47207157 [05:32]
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davout kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/ [06:55]
assbot BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`875 (100`000 to 1) [06:55]
pankkake "If the most optimistic predictions for am's performance come true, I will be able to cover my losses from virtually every other garbage scheme I bought into, plus some." bitcointalk, still looking at a bailout [06:56]
davout as in, it can have revenue but still be unprofitable due to expenses [06:56]
pankkake s/at/for/ [06:56]
fluffypony lol [06:56]
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chetty It’s hard to deny just how poorly Chicago’s public schools are performing when it hits you in the face. Such is the case with Paul Robeson High School’s 2014 prom theme: “This is Are Story.” [07:05]
pankkake :o thanks obama! [07:06]
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Mats_cd03 they meant to do it, i promise [07:13]
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chetty pankkake, to be fair Obama hasn't been around long enough to ruin the HS kids [07:15]
dub but blame africa [07:15]
pankkake but he's from Chicago right? [07:15]
chetty well he didn't go to HS there, but if he did that might explain a lot [07:16]
Mats_cd03 barely [07:16]
dub its a story about pirates [07:16]
chetty now heres one to feed the fear: http://witscience.org/analysis-of-radio-frequency-identification-rfid-chip-prevalence-in-3-discrete-united-states-populations/ [07:17]
assbot Analysis of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip Prevalence in 3 Discrete United States Populations – WIT [07:17]
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dub I'd like to know whats on the chip [07:31]
dub one of our american brothers should dump one [07:32]
chetty shouldnt be that hard to get a filling replaced and check it out [07:34]
dub should be able to just scan it [07:34]
fluffypony http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2014/cacr2014-10.pdf [07:34]
fluffypony that is awesome [07:34]
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fluffypony lol [07:40]
dub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY [07:41]
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pankkake http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/anuncios/2014-no-hay-mas-direcciones-ipv4-en-lac [08:39]
assbot Home - LACNIC [08:39]
pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-betting-kicks-brazil-world-cup/ [08:41]
assbot Bitcoin Betting Kicks Off for Brazil World Cup [08:41]
pankkake no bitbet either [08:41]
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davout dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY <<< old but gold [08:43]
assbot Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube [08:43]
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kakobrekla ;;later tell mircea_popescu kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/ [08:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:47]
assbot BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`823 (100`000 to 1) [08:47]
dub davout: handome coke sniper is the best [08:55]
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dub hansom* [08:55]
davout watching [08:55]
davout dub: amazing [08:58]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [08:58]
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Mats_cd03 ;;ticker [09:08]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 630.0, Best ask: 632.07, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 631.89, 24 hour volume: 7078.38017203, 24 hour low: 627.12, 24 hour high: 654.13, 24 hour vwap: 649.944906232 [09:08]
Mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats [09:08]
gribble Current Blocks: 305253 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1178 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12243694772.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14359 [09:08]
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kakobrekla !up weenfan [09:49]
kakobrekla how stupid is this. [09:49]
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kakobrekla !up weenfan [10:03]
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weenfan :) [10:04]
kakobrekla welcome! [10:04]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: what's stupid? [10:13]
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kakobrekla fluffy http://dpaste.com/2J7QFJ6.txt [10:17]
fluffypony lol [10:18]
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Mats_cd03 http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867 [10:23]
assbot The Argentine bond saga, made simple : SCOTUSblog [10:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) << built by the mexican mafia, was it. [10:46]
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mircea_popescu benkay the totality of russian personnel residing on foreign soil would be the residentura. the subset doing interesting stuff out of them (such as, not the ambassador's personal homebred imported cocksucker - in most places you have to import women as they don't grow locally babes tall enough, blonde enough, fair skinned enough, lithe enough etc etc etc) would be the... agentura. [10:48]
mircea_popescu but since we're on it : agentura.ru :D [10:48]
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mircea_popescu (mostly andrei soldatov, a much more interesting fellow than mossberg, imo) [10:52]
mircea_popescu and speaking of mossberg : a google on re/code does NOT pop up the wikipedia page on the top 10 results, like for absolutely any other word with a wikipedia entry. [10:53]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, it DOES pop a right panel with a summary of mossberg's wikipedia page. [10:53]
mircea_popescu someone should put the time into researching the matter, it seems clear to me by now google is entirely manual, they have no algo left at all. [10:54]
mircea_popescu basically the 400bn mkt cap company is in its entirety a hundred people trying to maintain a web directory, and we're back to the early 90s over here. [10:54]
mircea_popescu diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe << lol ok. that was worth it :D [11:00]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange << it's seriously not that healthy. [11:03]
mircea_popescu i didn't eat the pork fried on the bible/coran/etc for the record. [11:03]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting << im interested to hear more of the latter part, do tell ? [11:04]
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mircea_popescu dub: ff crashed because ff << more specifically, because mozilla co STILL can't make a half decent garbage collector, so they constantly leak memory. yes, even version 69 or w/e they're up to by now. [11:06]
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mircea_popescu this has fundamental causes in the original training of the people involved with the code, which is why you don't want to learn to computer on bullshit fashionable languages. [11:06]
pankkake their garbage collector is better each version, but they add more garbage each version [11:06]
mircea_popescu you gotta learn to computer on a language everyone despises, that'll keep you from thinking too much of fucking languages. [11:07]
mircea_popescu pankkake haha you have a way with words mr. [11:07]
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mircea_popescu ok, here's another thing. asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. << intuitively it seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not ? [11:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gentoo is a source-only distro, where you get to twiddle compiler flags, wait a week for newly-provisioned machine to compile the universe, and - most annoyingly - suffer in the innermost circle of 'dependency hell' where you have to tear up the entire world to build xxxx [11:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the latter part. bycicling [11:12]
mircea_popescu i know why gentoo sucks :D [11:12]
asciilifeform (on account of xxxx depending on yyy which cannot be built with old version of xxxx around, etc. - sometimes 50 packages long 'chain') [11:12]
asciilifeform aha [11:12]
asciilifeform picture the folks who ride 50km on bicycle in each direction every day [11:13]
mircea_popescu but why would it have to be 50km ? [11:13]
asciilifeform because usa [11:13]
mircea_popescu but that's because non-cycle. [11:13]
mircea_popescu in a town designed for walking everyone else does fine. [11:13]
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mircea_popescu in a town designed for driving nothing ever works. [11:14]
asciilifeform obviously true [11:14]
asciilifeform also true [11:14]
mircea_popescu (yet another fundamentally wrong design decision that sits at the core of the us' failure, and can't be fixed) [11:14]
asciilifeform seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not << 'travelling salesman problem' [11:14]
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mircea_popescu let's start with what autorouter does. it fills in routes you didn't make yourself ? [11:15]
asciilifeform correct [11:15]
asciilifeform some proggys even try to place components [11:15]
asciilifeform (this, afaik, never works) [11:15]
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mircea_popescu ok so now... the number of possible connections is finite. [11:15]
mircea_popescu what's the problem with bruteforcing it ? [11:15]
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asciilifeform finite human lifespan... [11:16]
mircea_popescu maybe that's what i'm not getting. how many routes are there on an average board ? thousands ? [11:16]
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asciilifeform thousands. [11:16]
asciilifeform but understand, it isn't enough to merely connect things [11:17]
mircea_popescu so then what in the fuck. you take an infinite lifespan to try out 10k options on a computer ? [11:17]
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asciilifeform gotta obey various rules (minimal clearances between various kinds of objects; minimized path lengths; avoid vias like the plague in high-frequency signals; etc) [11:17]
asciilifeform sometimes N or more paths have to be of the same length (to 0.1 mm or so) and you end with 'meanders' (look at the bottom side of stick of sdram) [11:18]
asciilifeform on top of this, the tracks, vias, components - occupy space [11:18]
asciilifeform a via occupies space on all N layers of a board [11:18]
asciilifeform (unless it doesn't. called 'blind' via) [11:18]
asciilifeform ^ expensive [11:19]
mircea_popescu i still think this should be a solvable problem. [11:19]
* mircea_popescu is quite naive. [11:19]
asciilifeform in practice, it is solvable - in the sense that man applies 'muscle grease' and board gets routed. eventually. [11:20]
asciilifeform and the machine's contribution is substantial [11:20]
asciilifeform (no one but children, afaik, uses cad without autorouter entirely) [11:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now. [11:20]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i actually added this to the list of things to do when im old and retired. [11:21]
mircea_popescu no fucking way this doesn't have a good solution [11:21]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script << the origin of batshit. [11:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: things to do << fundamentally we're all making a mistake, of solving salesman problem on von neumann engine. instead, [11:24]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931 [11:24]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [11:24]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform my intuition is that the machine couldhave evolving bias. like you know, a virgin girl trying to fuck you. [11:24]
mircea_popescu "like this ? [11:24]
mircea_popescu "how about this ? [11:24]
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mircea_popescu "is this any good ?" [11:24]
asciilifeform (variation on the famous puzzle-joke where mathematicians were given piles of sticks to sort. they puttered around with algorithms - and then janitor comes, and simply stands the sticks up on table, picking them off longest first...) [11:25]
mircea_popescu something like that [11:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz << lulz is quite understandable, if not machine-understandable. the trick most people claiming to be "only in for the lulz" do is copied directly from that ancient trick of the socialist, "in it only for the soviets" : they oft use it to cover their own (usually intellecual) laziness [11:31]
mircea_popescu with the infantile expectation that no one might figure it out, and should someone figure it out they'd necessarily be easy to laugh down, "because lulz" [11:31]
davout "BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now." <<< which is one of the reason specifying the protocol was deemed 'too hard' [11:32]
mircea_popescu obviously it doesn't work that way, but "obviously" doesn't work for your average screentanned neckbeard because obviously depends on social experience [11:32]
mircea_popescu davout indeed. the dirty little open secret here is that if you don't specify it openly, mp will specify it closedly and then beat you over the head every time you deviate [11:32]
mircea_popescu and you'll be painfully wrong and he'll be lulzily right each time he does it [11:33]
mircea_popescu and now you've engineered humiliatory failure for yourself. [11:33]
mircea_popescu but, like the above, not something the screentanned neckbeard can figure out on his own. (same reason) [11:33]
davout everyone's trying to be as cool as the openssl folks [11:33]
mircea_popescu and plenty are succeeding lol [11:34]
davout so, what do you think about the wording of the "s.mg profitable in 2014" bet ? [11:35]
mircea_popescu i gotthe gribble but not there in the log so dunno context yet. [11:35]
mircea_popescu what's th problem with it ? [11:35]
davout the resolution says it has to have "revenue", the title says it has to be "profitable" [11:36]
davout i'm saying it can have revenue without being profitable [11:36]
mircea_popescu ah that. well, if all else fails the bitbet backstop is that titles are informative, bets are descriptive [11:36]
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mircea_popescu much like you know, newspaperarticles [11:36]
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davout ok, so by this logic i just have to make a donation to s.mg to have it have "revenue", and the bet resolves to 'yes' [11:37]
mircea_popescu how would you make adonation to s.mg ? [11:37]
mircea_popescu (and if the bet was worded otherwise, this would havbe been true. if you can make a hundred billion dollar donation to berkshire you can currently win the berkshire bet too) [11:38]
davout by sending it money, assuming there's some sort of service rolled-out by end 2014, if not it can't really have revenue or be profitable, but in this case the bet title might as well be reworded to "s.mg open for business" or something like that [11:38]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass. [11:39]
davout just saying the resolution condition should be rewritten, which shouldn't be much of an issue since there are only house bets for now [11:39]
mircea_popescu i don't think that ever happened to date. [11:39]
davout said the virgin [11:40]
mircea_popescu moreover, you're saying it, but you're not backing it up. [11:40]
davout howso ? [11:40]
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mircea_popescu lol. you ask me how so you've failed to make a case ? by failing to make a case lol. [11:41]
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mircea_popescu howso you think you did make it, is more the question. [11:42]
davout what part of "the title isn't consistent with the bet resolution condition" do you disagree with? [11:42]
mircea_popescu the part where that matters. [11:42]
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mircea_popescu consider perhaps a better example : we go into a japanese restaurant together, where we're given sticks to eat with. [11:43]
mircea_popescu these aren't equal length. [11:43]
kakobrekla how do you sort them? [11:43]
mircea_popescu when pointed out to the manager, he explains that while they mostly try to make it the same length, being two different items obviously they can never in fact be equal length, for quantum reasons [11:43]
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mircea_popescu and so for any case, the backstop is that the larger stick's length is defined as the pair's equal length [11:43]
mike_c what? that's ridiculous. the shorter stick should be the pair's equal length. [11:44]
davout well, i get how that can be clarified, all i'm saying is that it can't really hurt to make them consistent, especially when no one else has bet yet [11:44]
mircea_popescu obviously mike_c runs the rival FUD japanese restaurant across the street [11:45]
mircea_popescu where not only they sleep with their horses in the bed, but also all house numbers are even [11:45]
mircea_popescu like slovenly sluts. [11:45]
davout and also that the bet doesn't make that much sense if to resolve to yes s.mg only has to report an incoming money transfer > 0 [11:45]
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kakobrekla he likes to use that word. [11:45]
mircea_popescu davout well let's do these one at a time huh ? [11:45]
mircea_popescu it can't really hurt to make them consistent, before they're made. but the entire model (not just of bitbet, for that matter) rests on absolutes, and the proposal of improving this bet runs into the absolute that it's already published, [11:46]
mircea_popescu and so it'll go nowhere. [11:46]
mircea_popescu and as to how much sense a bet makes... who the fuck cares outside of the people betting on it. [11:47]
mike_c bibet has stooped to making clarifying comments before. this may be appropriate in this case. [11:47]
mircea_popescu imo bs shakespeare tony awards bets don't make any sense [11:47]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah but i prefer to make it buried in here. [11:47]
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mircea_popescu gotta give fluffypony's platform a living after all. [11:47]
davout granted, but following your logic, if the title doesn't matter wrt the bet resolution there's no problem changing it :-) [11:47]
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mircea_popescu only because you abusively equate distinct things. [11:48]
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fluffypony what did I miss [11:48]
mircea_popescu the absolute isn't a conditional absolute, ie, "the bet won't changed except for parts we can get away with" [11:48]
mircea_popescu +Be [11:48]
mircea_popescu now if only the us congress spent their morning today reading this log instead of absolutely anything they've been doing, [11:49]
mircea_popescu the us might have a chance of being properly administered for a day. [11:49]
mike_c davout: you can easily fix this by asking the question in the comments. [11:49]
mircea_popescu mike_c fud #2 for you today, suggesting the choice of venue is upon the plaintiff! WHO EVER HEARD OF THIS [11:49]
davout the way i understand what you say is that the bet title is merely a convenience, it has no value with regards to resolution, so by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever [11:49]
mircea_popescu davout sure, but the way you understand things has little bearing [11:50]
mircea_popescu this isn't some sort of diplomatic negotiation where you can make oral notes on your signing of the treaty [11:50]
mircea_popescu "germany understands this peace treaty as a carte blanche to fuck all your womenz" [11:50]
davout hm [11:50]
mircea_popescu the way it was said was that in any dispute between the two, the body carries. [11:51]
davout i'm not saying there's an ambiguity in the bet resolution, it's perfectly clear if the body supersedes the title [11:51]
mircea_popescu yeah but you're trying to equivocate between "in any dispute between the two, the body carries" and "by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever" [11:52]
mircea_popescu these are not the same, really. for instance, the title is indexed. [11:52]
mircea_popescu as far as bitbet is concerned, the string of english words that is the title NOW MEANS the string of english words that is the body. [11:52]
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mircea_popescu much like if you made an alias. [11:52]
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mircea_popescu that's the meaning of the japanese sticks story : not that you can throw out one stick [11:53]
mircea_popescu but that whatever you may think your measurement shows, [11:53]
mircea_popescu the shorter stick IS ACTUALLY as long as the longer one. [11:53]
davout yes, i got all that :-) [11:53]
davout let's move on to the second part [11:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085432 = 0.6835 BTC [+] [11:53]
mircea_popescu win. [11:53]
davout wait [11:54]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many people reading the logs just got a legal & philosophical education. [11:54]
mircea_popescu what was the second part lessee [11:54]
davout the way the resolution is worded can be reduced to : "bet resolves to yes if at some point during 2014, it is possible to send money to an address owned by s.mg" [11:55]
davout because that would count as revenue [11:55]
mircea_popescu well then it also has to report it. [11:55]
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mircea_popescu or perhaps it could report revenue nobody sent as btc [11:55]
mircea_popescu such as for instance i dunno, blizzard gets scared and pays us 50 bux to not run wow out of business [11:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.070003 = 0.28 BTC [+] [11:55]
davout that would count as revenue [11:56]
mircea_popescu indeed. [11:56]
davout making the bet resolve to yes [11:56]
mircea_popescu right. [11:56]
davout even if there are 500 BTC expenses to cover leading to a loss [11:56]
mircea_popescu right. [11:57]
davout so the bet resolution could be rewritten as "yes if s.mg receives at least one satoshi in 2014" [11:57]
chetty you know it is fascinating how much this convo sounds like this 'issue':http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867 [11:58]
mircea_popescu davout except satoshi is misleading, itcould receive a goat. [11:58]
davout win [11:58]
davout BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO REPORT IT TOO [11:59]
chetty If someone gives me a goat I will never tell [11:59]
mircea_popescu davout sure. [11:59]
mike_c goat embezzlement! [11:59]
mircea_popescu chetty lmao [12:00]
davout it also has implications wrt to the bet resolution time [12:00]
davout the bet can actually resolve as soon as s.mg is open for business [12:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0699 = 1.398 BTC [-] [12:01]
mircea_popescu indeed. [12:01]
pankkake http://bitbet.us/propositions/ is too small, I can't see older rejects [12:02]
assbot BitBet Propositions [12:02]
pankkake or you should remove the pure spam [12:02]
mircea_popescu or you could check daily. [12:03]
mircea_popescu or add a rule "whenever the last bet on page is not in my list of read bets, halve the checking interval" [12:03]
mike_c isn't there an rss? [12:03]
mike_c ah, not for proposed [12:04]
mircea_popescu now that may be a good idea [12:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla, proposed bets rss ? [12:04]
pankkake I did check yesterday [12:05]
pankkake there was just too much bets (and spam) in a short timeframe [12:05]
pankkake well, alternatively I can submit it for the third time :D [12:05]
mircea_popescu chetty "Or, the Court might ask the Obama administration for its views on pari passu" [12:06]
mircea_popescu since when the motherfucking hells does the administration have a say in this! [12:06]
mircea_popescu jesus republic of the soviets they got going over there. go ask lenin whydontcha [12:06]
mircea_popescu pankkake prolly rss is the best solution [12:06]
pankkake why not remove the "fsdfdf" bets? they make up 80% of the page [12:07]
kakobrekla pankkake if you are looking for the reason i can look it up [12:07]
pankkake it's a bitcoin-central vs. kraken volume bet [12:08]
kakobrekla this one : This bet resolves has Yes if Bitcoin-Central has a 30d BTC/EUR trading volume higher than Kraken's, at any point before 2015, as computed by http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ [12:09]
kakobrekla ? [12:10]
assbot Bitcoin Charts / Markets [12:10]
pankkake yes [12:10]
kakobrekla reason: Not going to check two pages every day to make sure; come up with a better resolution source if possible. [12:10]
mircea_popescu hm [12:10]
pankkake unfortunately there isn't, as neither exchanges publish a 30d volume [12:10]
davout kakobrekla: dun worry, i'll tell you a couple in advance which day i'll push dogecoin volume to bitcoin charts [12:11]
kakobrekla lel [12:11]
davout *couple of days [12:11]
kakobrekla btw when are you going to connect to rtbtc again [12:11]
davout prolly sthg i'll work on during the summer [12:12]
mircea_popescu pankkake this sort of bet is problematic, because what the fuck's the submitter to do. [12:12]
mircea_popescu im thinking a solution going forward would be "claim bets", ie, bets that resolve one way unless proof to the contrary is presented in the comments. [12:12]
pankkake yeah, for the CNY volume bet I actually wrote a script to watch the result [12:13]
mircea_popescu the problem with this, of course, is that it gives a monetary incentive to make comments, at which point the result will be a flood of nonsense [12:13]
pankkake then quickly archive.is the page [12:13]
mircea_popescu (ie, someone who's not won loses nothing by making a spurious claim he has. this then taxes mod time, and the more complex the claim the better for the claimant) [12:13]
mircea_popescu one of those subjects being thought about. [12:14]
pankkake though for a 30d volume bet, you should see it coming [12:14]
mircea_popescu pankkake unless one exchange is offline for a little bit. [12:14]
pankkake no but I mean you have to care only if they are reasonably close, which isn't the case at all now [12:15]
mircea_popescu not so. [12:15]
mircea_popescu suppose each does 10 btc a day on average. [12:15]
mircea_popescu suppose one day there's a panic, which takes one offline but not the other, which now dows 500 btc [12:15]
mircea_popescu have you seen it coming ? [12:15]
mircea_popescu surely if they both were online both'd have done 500 btc, keeping their parity [12:15]
mircea_popescu but they weren't. [12:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC [12:16]
mircea_popescu "Particular difficulties ensue if the rules are not simple multiples of each other, and when vias must traverse between layers with different rules." [12:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok im cured. this and the oxide gate problems, i can see it now. [12:17]
mircea_popescu "The earliest types of EDA routers were "manual routers" -- the drafter clicked a mouse on the endpoint of each line segment of each net. Modern PCB design software typically provides "interactive routers" -- the drafter selects a pad and clicks a few places to give the EDA tool an idea of where to go, and the EDA tool tries to place wires as close to that path as possible without violating DRC." << my naive bias thing [12:17]
mircea_popescu actually well implemented etc. [12:17]
Mats_cd03 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2440866 [12:20]
assbot Intraday Momentum: The First Half-Hour Return Predicts the Last Half-Hour Return by Lei Gao, Yufeng Han, Guofu Zhou :: SSRN [12:20]
mircea_popescu hm [12:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] {2} [12:25]
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mike_c it's amazing how many great links come through this channel without any need for up/down voting systems. [12:27]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:27]
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benkay yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices // my favorite of these is made my a local shop (designed in germany, though). it sits on your nervous system and listens to your heartbeat, supplying it's own 'carrier wave' when necessary to entrain the signal that nominally keeps things beating in time. [12:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [12:28]
benkay i almost took a job making fixtures for them before i knew how little i enjoyed shop support at big shops. [12:28]
benkay * asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun // are the 'suicides' humorously staged yet? [12:29]
mircea_popescu !down mike_c [12:30]
-assbot- mircea_popescu, you can't do that to mike_c. [12:30]
mircea_popescu no up/down indeed :D [12:30]
mike_c well there is that. [12:30]
mircea_popescu benkay afaik heart beats on its own localised nervous system [12:30]
mircea_popescu not going through the spine [12:31]
benkay one of the subnets. [12:31]
benkay installation was a pain [12:31]
benkay :D [12:31]
mircea_popescu lol [12:31]
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mircea_popescu so this is the day of the longlog huh [12:31]
benkay for me at least. [12:32]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog << is that even possible ?! [12:32]
mircea_popescu or you mean, "not turned on" [12:32]
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benkay BingoBoingo: 'man logger' [12:33]
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mircea_popescu they even had a special doohickey made so they could add it in the menus [12:34]
mircea_popescu a sort of gui log reader [12:34]
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mircea_popescu or do you mean that ancient "rsyslogd was HUPed, type lightweight" bug they've had for ages ? did it eventually prevail upon them and so they just took logging right out of 12.04 ? :D [12:36]
benkay logging is hard [12:36]
benkay users don't care [12:36]
benkay give everyone a touchscreen [12:36]
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mircea_popescu since now im looking into logs, [12:39]
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mircea_popescu ppls haxxing off 443 now ? [12:39]
Mats_cd03 http://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2014/05/alibaba-china-story-with-profitable.html [12:41]
assbot Musings on Markets: Alibaba: A China Story with a profitable ending? [12:41]
davout root [12:41]
davout fail [12:41]
mircea_popescu davout hm ? [12:43]
mircea_popescu decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) <<< that took a while. [12:49]
mircea_popescu someone'll prolly write a blockbuster in a little [12:49]
davout nvm, wrong window [12:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC [12:49]
kakobrekla it was his username and password, root and fail. [12:50]
mircea_popescu seems reasonable. [12:50]
davout kakobrekla: hahaha, actually the password is root too [12:51]
kakobrekla :) [12:51]
Mats_cd03 i take credit for good links in this channel [12:51]
mircea_popescu i once broke into a network with the root-leaf combo [12:52]
kakobrekla http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-06-10-dlakava-dlan-junijski-uritoff-28170.jpg [12:52]
kakobrekla now i take credit. [12:52]
mircea_popescu this is why you don't make wicca chicks sysadmins [12:52]
Mats_cd03 ur dirty [12:52]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's not a good link, that's a bead link. [12:52]
davout such nsfw [12:52]
kakobrekla where dafuq do you work [12:53]
mircea_popescu yogurt factory. [12:53]
benkay !up blackwhite [12:53]
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kakobrekla ah, they buy milk from us? [12:53]
mircea_popescu not from us, from usagi. [12:53]
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thestringpuller can't have cookies without milk [12:59]
fluffypony lulz [12:59]
mircea_popescu !up mjr_ [12:59]
-assbot- You voiced mjr_ for 30 minutes. [12:59]
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mircea_popescu !up TheNewDeal [12:59]
-assbot- You voiced TheNewDeal for 30 minutes. [12:59]
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mircea_popescu how's diff betting coming along [12:59]
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TheNewDeal it's gonna be close [12:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share [13:00]
TheNewDeal we're actually losing some time this change, making the 3rd change iffy [13:00]
mircea_popescu fun huh [13:00]
TheNewDeal meh [13:00]
TheNewDeal more interested in the opec production news of the morn [13:01]
Mats_cd03 thats not good news [13:01]
TheNewDeal what is? [13:01]
mircea_popescu russia is emerging as a major ally of the muslims, and its strategy to energetically isolate the west is starting to take shape. [13:02]
TheNewDeal west has lucked out with oil prospects of late [13:02]
TheNewDeal not sure how long it will help though [13:02]
Mats_cd03 diff bet and opec news [13:03]
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TheNewDeal both, I know [13:04]
mircea_popescu problem is [13:04]
mircea_popescu youy never know if the west is lying or not [13:04]
TheNewDeal I was hoping for the bitcoin network and the opec producers to ramp up production :D [13:04]
Mats_cd03 iraq is going to lose a fourth city to the fictional caliphate [13:04]
Mats_cd03 by the end of this year [13:04]
TheNewDeal mircea_popescu true, and oil prospects are always estimates [13:05]
mircea_popescu exactly. [13:05]
mircea_popescu i can't image a us policy of easy money not including easy reserves. [13:05]
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fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7250864#msg7250864 [13:05]
assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated] [13:05]
fluffypony "On the other hand it was expected that usagi will get confused and "loose" the wallet. In general he's so confused that he doesn't know if he's a she or she's a he." [13:05]
fluffypony lol! [13:05]
fluffypony I love forum catch-up days [13:06]
Mats_cd03 losing mosul to militants is a death blow [13:06]
mircea_popescu i love olives [13:06]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 you know, iraq 2 mayt well turn out to be the largest intl mistake the us ever made [13:06]
TheNewDeal be back [13:06]
mircea_popescu especially through being the last. [13:06]
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pankkake the USAgi? [13:07]
mircea_popescu lol [13:07]
fluffypony hah hah [13:08]
pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/expedia-will-accept-bitcoin-hotel-bookings/ [13:09]
assbot Expedia Will Accept Bitcoin for Hotel Bookings [13:09]
mircea_popescu funny btw, the us overthrew ukraine, the russian-backed syria overthrew iraq. [13:09]
mircea_popescu so far, check. [13:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711999 = 0.1424 BTC [+] [13:10]
Mats_cd03 the northern alliance was the best bet iraq ever had for any semblance of security [13:10]
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Mats_cd03 i wonder if the kurds have the stomach to breach doors and fight house to house [13:11]
Mats_cd03 probably not [13:11]
mircea_popescu stomach they have [13:11]
mircea_popescu numbers they have not. [13:11]
mircea_popescu at any rate, back on the realpolitik map, i wonder just how defensible afghanistan is w/o iraq, [13:12]
mircea_popescu and once the withdrawal is complete by autumn i wonder just how safe any us interests in the midwest will ever be again. [13:12]
mircea_popescu proll best start dealing with venezuela. [13:13]
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TheNewDeal mexico and canada as well [13:14]
mircea_popescu canada is a given, 52nd state, after uk [13:15]
mircea_popescu mexico looks iffy tho [13:15]
chetty its ok Mexico is currently moving to Arizona [13:16]
TheNewDeal mexico is 3rd to canada and saudi arabia [13:16]
mircea_popescu saudi arabia is in no way on the list. [13:17]
TheNewDeal http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm [13:17]
assbot U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports [13:17]
mircea_popescu it's an ally of the us in thesense the tour guide of the fat tourist is an ally of his. [13:17]
mircea_popescu taking him to all the good fleecing spots. [13:17]
mircea_popescu i'll bet you the us won't be buying much oil from sa by the end of the decade. [13:17]
TheNewDeal regardless of saudi, mexico is ~1/4 - 1/3 of the opec total [13:19]
mircea_popescu also a doomed hope. the cartels will sooner or later make continued oil exports dependent on continued opium imports [13:19]
mircea_popescu much in the manner of england colonising china [13:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC [13:20]
mircea_popescu it'll work, too. mexico has a better chance of ruling the us than either democrat or republican party in ten years. [13:20]
TheNewDeal there is a booming mexican population within the us [13:20]
mircea_popescu sure [13:20]
mircea_popescu colonisation usually works that way. [13:21]
TheNewDeal except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases [13:21]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine biological shock is going to be much going forward [13:22]
mircea_popescu we've had flight for a centuryby now [13:22]
TheNewDeal I'm just saying it happened in mexico too [13:22]
TheNewDeal knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through [13:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. [13:23]
TheNewDeal speaking of viruses and disease [13:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0711999 = 0.2848 BTC [+] [13:24]
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TheNewDeal I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now [13:24]
mircea_popescu "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. " [13:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+] [13:25]
mircea_popescu no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad [13:25]
TheNewDeal what is Isis? [13:26]
mircea_popescu the syrian expeditionary army in iraq [13:26]
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TheNewDeal Islamic State Isomething Ssomething? [13:27]
mircea_popescu Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians. [13:27]
mircea_popescu right. [13:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC [13:27]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal "of iraq in syria" [13:27]
mircea_popescu http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/10/1402409110353/Iraqis-fleeing-Mosul-011.jpg << People fleeing the violence queue at a checkpoint near Mosul. [13:28]
mircea_popescu This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way [13:28]
Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything [13:29]
mircea_popescu the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails [13:29]
mircea_popescu then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints" [13:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+] [13:29]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight" [13:29]
Mats_cd03 well yeah [13:30]
mircea_popescu what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why" [13:30]
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benkay the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails // learned helplessness of the last rats to flee? [13:31]
mircea_popescu but i mean look at tyhe picture [13:31]
mircea_popescu cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl. [13:32]
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benkay isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions? [13:32]
benkay !up cipi [13:32]
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mircea_popescu i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment. [13:32]
benkay ;;gettrust cipi [13:32]
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benkay what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment? [13:33]
mircea_popescu benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap. [13:33]
mircea_popescu benkay that nobody fucking owns title to anything anymore. [13:33]
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mircea_popescu german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void" [13:33]
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Mats_cd03 heh [13:34]
mircea_popescu "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes. [13:34]
thestringpuller havelock is becoming the spam of IPOs [13:34]
kakobrekla !up CiPi [13:34]
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Mats_cd03 when there's blood on the streets... [13:34]
Mats_cd03 steal a tv [13:34]
mircea_popescu you'd think they could have less humorous metaphores. [13:34]
thestringpuller it's like every fucking day I get a new email "IPO AVAILABLE!" [13:34]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller bitcoin available ? :D [13:35]
benkay !up samson_ [13:35]
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Apocalyptic thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying [13:37]
fluffypony I eventually just blacklisted their domain [13:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00229947 = 0.2299 BTC [+] [13:37]
fluffypony so now I don't get any email from them [13:37]
pankkake you can unsuscribe from IPO announcements. did it months ago [13:38]
mircea_popescu but think ofall the opportunities! [13:38]
Apocalyptic opportunities!!1! [13:38]
mircea_popescu opporturdities [13:39]
pankkake opportnudetities [13:39]
pankkake no, that's on trilema [13:39]
mircea_popescu this almost sounds like an improvement [13:39]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/afc801fdf4033715a186c389bdc2b1fd/tumblr_n5ov5g3MW31r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:40]
mircea_popescu o boy i gotcher nao. [13:40]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/06eb0d0ea9f889594956100fbfe37bdd/tumblr_n5ov4cgTN81r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:40]
pankkake give her something to eat, poor girl [13:40]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/562a57e24c1f363fa54e8d256cf08218/tumblr_n5ov3jzavH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:40]
pankkake ew [13:40]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/98d97ff00e69651207f7f7265392ff0b/tumblr_n5ouxvMXqm1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:40]
Duffer1 :( [13:40]
mircea_popescu and you know what it's gonna be, and yet you can't look away [13:40]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/44c5cb790e9a599d6f3d87c6dafd4181/tumblr_n03226ov601r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:41]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/14e277ab71c17d39726de474524f808c/tumblr_mpa2frkYet1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:41]
benkay of ffs [13:41]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/a4795fff1483b83f61581ce15813a6f4/tumblr_mocdml62xy1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:41]
kakobrekla spam [13:41]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72x46xj9l1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:41]
benkay !down mircea_popescu [13:41]
mircea_popescu da fuck is that even [13:41]
mircea_popescu like chest flap [13:42]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6lh931Iqg1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:42]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ns6XJBW1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:42]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gewxiBem1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:42]
Mats_cd03 fuck [13:42]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpif2hFC51r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:42]
Mats_cd03 why [13:42]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpid63QVC1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:42]
mircea_popescu i sold out to the usg! [13:42]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqmu7JZ1a1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:42]
benkay stahp [13:42]
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mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt2nmzazVH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg [13:43]
mircea_popescu that should be enough for a day huh ? [13:43]
mircea_popescu com back tomorrow, same time !!1 [13:43]
pankkake didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time [13:43]
mircea_popescu well the'll be in the log [13:43]
mircea_popescu waiting for you [13:43]
mircea_popescu being ugly and waiting. waiting and being ulgy. [13:43]
benkay makes one miss ozbot. [13:44]
mircea_popescu decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ? [13:46]
jurov if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished [13:47]
pankkake I wish I knew how ozbot found the images [13:47]
mircea_popescu pankkake just went through some selected tumblrs [13:48]
pankkake https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/09391f1561178e3112f44516be6dbe4b/tumblr_n6pbmpw0PE1s9dnijo1_1280.jpg on the homepage, what a horrible pic [13:50]
mircea_popescu whats with all the black people ? [13:52]
mircea_popescu is obama racist or something ? [13:52]
pankkake my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him" [13:53]
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TheNewDeal while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo [13:54]
TheNewDeal the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally [13:54]
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pankkake wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it? [13:55]
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pankkake anyway, the classic: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/microsofts-ad-in-poland-p_n_269366.html [13:55]
assbot Microsoft's Ad In Poland Photoshops Black Man, But Keeps Asian Man, White Woman [13:55]
TheNewDeal actually, looks like it was before my time. http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/uwmadison.asp [13:55]
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TheNewDeal pankkake niiice [13:57]
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pankkake https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/3c67ec86122253f5d2eb70757b91d789/tumblr_n5ix72EeKc1rrq7ino1_1280.jpg [20:03]
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mircea_popescu davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks! [20:09]
mircea_popescu dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar. [20:10]
mircea_popescu it's the muslims that are the pirates. [20:11]
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mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/v3TgQCo [20:16]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [20:16]
TheNewDeal updating the diff change estimate to 6.8% [20:16]
mircea_popescu why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me [20:17]
mircea_popescu roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist [20:17]
TheNewDeal whats the sham betsite? [20:18]
mircea_popescu !up mgio [20:18]
-assbot- You voiced mgio for 30 minutes. [20:18]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot mgio [20:18]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mgio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mgio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgio | Rated since: never [20:18]
mircea_popescu you will need ti get in assbot's l2 to voice yourself. [20:18]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i dunno, a bevy of pretenders [20:18]
mircea_popescu they change about quarterly [20:18]
mircea_popescu the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is glbsebtctbitcoin whateveretc" [20:19]
TheNewDeal they the results of the proposition spam? [20:19]
mircea_popescu "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is etc" [20:19]
mircea_popescu i have no idea [20:19]
mircea_popescu !up joesmoe [20:19]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe [20:19]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013 [20:19]
joesmoe i can't seem to get assbot to like me, its being a real ass [20:19]
mircea_popescu same goes to you that i said to mgio : unless you're in assbot l2's trust you can't up yourself. [20:20]
joesmoe ahhh [20:20]
joesmoe i'm suprised i'm not [20:20]
joesmoe i've done a few transactions on otc a while back [20:20]
mircea_popescu well, look at l1, talk to the people there. [20:20]
mgio i see [20:21]
mgio has anyone seen ukyo around recently? [20:21]
mgio thanks for the help [20:21]
mircea_popescu ;;seen Ukyo [20:21]
gribble Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: mgio_: ping [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 34 @ 0.042 = 1.428 BTC [20:23]
mgio not a good sign, oh well [20:24]
Apocalyptic he's here right now [20:24]
joesmoe lol [20:24]
TheNewDeal weird [20:25]
mircea_popescu mgio what's your interest anyway, if it's not secret ? [20:27]
joesmoe mgio is NSA, tracking Ukyo down [20:28]
mgio ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is [20:28]
mgio I'm probably more patient than I should be [20:29]
mircea_popescu well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway. [20:29]
mike_c what's the other option? [20:29]
mircea_popescu beat you. [20:29]
benkay NONE THIS IS BITCOIN [20:29]
benkay the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot. [20:30]
mgio legal options, of course [20:30]
mike_c mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4? [20:30]
benkay ninjashogun's been harping at me again. anyone else catching his flak? [20:30]
mike_c yes [20:30]
mike_c wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have. [20:31]
mgio he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward [20:31]
mircea_popescu legal options, of course << that didn't mwean anything. [20:31]
mgio only way to get out of it if he was to declare personal bankrupcy [20:31]
mgio in other words, sue him for the btc owed [20:31]
mircea_popescu mike_c what are you judging it for ? [20:31]
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benkay !up AncientAliensBTC [20:32]
mircea_popescu !up AncientAliensBTC [20:32]
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benkay oh this will be good [20:32]
mircea_popescu !sideways benkay [20:32]
benkay my btc come from aliens [20:32]
TheNewDeal ooooh goat's milk - so milky [20:32]
benkay i have an alien miner [20:32]
benkay in a pyramid [20:32]
Apocalyptic oh this will be good << [20:32]
AncientAliensBTC SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. [20:33]
TheNewDeal surpised I haven't heard speculation that satoshi was an alien. [20:33]
benkay yeah totally [20:33]
benkay satoshi nakamoto is ancient aliens [20:33]
chetty time traveler [20:33]
benkay its the only sensible option [20:33]
benkay nono der paradoxen [20:33]
benkay aliens makes sense tho [20:33]
mike_c mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic. [20:34]
Apocalyptic AncientAliensBTC, hope you are Giorgio [20:34]
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benkay SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. // actually the thing is that the tech is so bad that only an agent entirely unfamiliar with cultural standards could have done it [20:34]
mircea_popescu mike_c ok, but dollars in what sense ? [20:34]
mircea_popescu it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so [20:35]
mircea_popescu functionally, deductively, somehow there's a way [20:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085432 = 3.5027 BTC [+] [20:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00085661 = 7.0071 BTC [+] {2} [20:36]
AncientAliensBTC More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump. [20:36]
mircea_popescu you seen mike_c article ? [20:37]
AncientAliensBTC Nope [20:37]
TheNewDeal Someone found the truth Re:I am ... by cshark @slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4562153&cid=45709487 [20:38]
assbot Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Could Actually Be Group From Europe - Slashdot [20:38]
mircea_popescu ;;google btcalpha betting bitbet [20:38]
gribble Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha: ; Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.: ; When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha: [20:38]
mircea_popescu it's a good site generally. [20:38]
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AncientAliensBTC poured through trilema and btc alpha already :) [20:39]
mike_c mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet. [20:39]
mike_c i thought you might have some insight to measures worth understanding vs. ones that are just noise. [20:40]
Apocalyptic "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ? [20:40]
mircea_popescu the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base. [20:40]
mircea_popescu m3 is only relevant if you wish to pierce through that veil [20:40]
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mike_c anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic? [20:41]
Apocalyptic mike_c, do you distinguish between money supply and monetary base ? [20:41]
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mike_c Apocalyptic: i am trying to :) [20:42]
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mircea_popescu hm [20:42]
mircea_popescu all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s [20:43]
mircea_popescu on thetopic* [20:43]
mike_c AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well. [20:43]
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mircea_popescu !up dexX7 [20:45]
-assbot- You voiced dexX7 without time-limit. [20:45]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot dexX7 [20:45]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dexX7: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013 [20:45]
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dexX7 thanks [20:45]
dexX7 i think i can up myself [20:45]
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mircea_popescu aha yeah you can. [20:47]
mircea_popescu whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down. [20:47]
mircea_popescu bitbet mods suck [20:47]
pankkake agreed [20:47]
AncientAliensBTC How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side? [20:48]
pankkake and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong [20:48]
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kakobrekla AncientAliensBTC someone made an app to simulate that i think [20:51]
TheNewDeal it's easy enough to calculate [20:53]
TheNewDeal ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ? [20:53]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: what was the bet? [20:53]
pankkake fluffypony: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ [20:54]
assbot BitBet Propositions [20:54]
TheNewDeal top one MP to admit being wrong in #b-a [20:54]
mircea_popescu and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong << no its not. i always admit it when i'm wrong, it's just im not wrong that often [20:55]
fluffypony heh [20:55]
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TheNewDeal would be interested to see what % of bitbet is made into private bets [21:03]
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TheNewDeal or are they quite rare? [21:04]
mircea_popescu well they're private. [21:04]
kakobrekla actually they are public. [21:05]
TheNewDeal how so? [21:05]
TheNewDeal you can see it, but need a password to bet? [21:05]
mircea_popescu quantum [21:05]
kakobrekla cause transparency. [21:05]
mike_c have their been any? [21:05]
TheNewDeal not concerned as much with the why [21:05]
mircea_popescu banany [21:05]
kakobrekla correct TheNewDeal [21:05]
mike_c *there [21:05]
mircea_popescu are [21:06]
mircea_popescu !b 12 [21:06]
assbot Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HF6ZMY.txt ) [21:06]
mircea_popescu bah [21:06]
kakobrekla mike_c yes, refused. [21:06]
TheNewDeal could I bet both sides at the beginning as well? [21:07]
kakobrekla no [21:07]
TheNewDeal what! [21:08]
kakobrekla im trying to save on the btc addresses! [21:08]
kakobrekla you know they are finite, right. [21:08]
TheNewDeal yes [21:08]
mircea_popescu no they're not [21:08]
TheNewDeal can't you reuse? [21:08]
kakobrekla depends [21:10]
benkay http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // waaaaaaaaaaaaat is this [21:11]
assbot Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide? [21:11]
TheNewDeal I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same [21:11]
kakobrekla you can have it either way [21:11]
TheNewDeal but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people? [21:13]
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kakobrekla you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass [21:14]
TheNewDeal ahhh [21:15]
TheNewDeal same difference [21:15]
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mircea_popescu yup [21:17]
mircea_popescu !up alex_c [21:17]
-assbot- You voiced alex_c for 30 minutes. [21:17]
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mircea_popescu anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ? [21:18]
TheNewDeal perhaps. cooked in oven? [21:18]
TheNewDeal I'm not confident enough with my fish via grill skills [21:19]
mircea_popescu nah silverstone half-wok [21:19]
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TheNewDeal sure [21:20]
dignork benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // i've seen similar hardware deployed by companies to monitor their employees traffic. Single point of failure. Awesome point to hack. [21:21]
assbot Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide? [21:21]
[]bot Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ [21:21]
Mats_cd03 fucking ssl [21:22]
mircea_popescu "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network—at extremely high performance—so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors—all through Blue Coat." [21:23]
mircea_popescu herp. [21:24]
benkay snake oil? [21:24]
asciilifeform ninjaspamz0r is back!? lol [21:24]
dignork mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system [21:25]
mircea_popescu the latter. [21:25]
mircea_popescu which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously [21:25]
pankkake corporate CA is the usual trick [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.00085751 = 4.5002 BTC [+] {2} [21:26]
pankkake can you even restrict CAs to tlds? [21:26]
chetty anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?// do tell [21:27]
mircea_popescu aite i'll photo document soonish [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0299 = 0.4186 BTC [+] [21:28]
fluffypony ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you haven't seen it, this is by far the best flopping attempt in recent history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmnhusvWTc [21:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:34]
assbot Amateur football at its best - YouTube [21:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [21:36]
fluffypony something I said? [21:37]
fluffypony :-P [21:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 341 @ 0.00038033 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {3} [21:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.03 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3} [21:44]
jurov !t m f.mpif [21:47]
assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021721 / 0.00021725 (5601 shares, 1.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC) [21:47]
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davout pankkake: "can you even restrict CAs to tlds?" <<< wat? [21:49]
pankkake you could add a CA and have it validate only .mycompany [21:51]
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TheNewDeal when did mpif start? was it april? [21:52]
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TheNewDeal looks may [21:53]
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mike_c started trading in may. it started operating a bit before that. [21:54]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing. [21:57]
mircea_popescu o.o [21:58]
mircea_popescu so go back to 10.04 [21:58]
pankkake shift+pageup? [21:58]
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pankkake no logger? or does upstart have one, like systemd? [21:59]
mircea_popescu does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ? [21:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dmesg | less [22:00]
pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-wins-best-virtual-currency-startup-award-europas/ [22:00]
assbot Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas [22:00]
BingoBoingo I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now [22:00]
mike_c imagine if they had three cans [22:00]
mircea_popescu what's eruopas ? [22:01]
kakobrekla jupiters moon? [22:04]
mircea_popescu i guess. [22:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23211011 BTC [-] [22:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23211016 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2} [22:20]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities. [22:28]
TheNewDeal yes the network is quite variable over short term [22:30]
davout pankkake: ic [22:30]
davout mircea_popescu: lol [22:31]
TheNewDeal bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison [22:33]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality... [22:35]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/storm-damage-greatly-improves-name-of-tennessee-car-was-1589411382/+Tom_Ley [22:35]
assbot Storm Damage Greatly Improves Name Of Tennessee Car Wash [22:35]
TheNewDeal April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds [22:35]
kakobrekla TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools [22:36]
TheNewDeal I wouldn't dare attempt something along those lines [22:37]
TheNewDeal plus I'm hoping for yes [22:37]
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kakobrekla imagine if they had three cans < imagine if they could do maff [22:38]
TheNewDeal we're nethashing at 89.9 PH, once we pass 91.1 we should be finding faster than 554 s/ block [22:39]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original [22:40]
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BingoBoingo It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash [22:41]
jurov ass time is good time [22:42]
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mike_c srsly BingoBoingo. those gawker sites are going to rot your brain. [22:44]
BingoBoingo mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative. [22:44]
jurov BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive? [22:45]
BingoBoingo Slowly, hopefully it will take another century. [22:45]
jurov http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy6.jpg it will end up like this [22:46]
mike_c kakobrekla: sometimes shit gets accidentally converted to floats :) maff is hard. [22:47]
kakobrekla :) [22:47]
fluffypony jurov: what's the problem with that? [22:48]
fluffypony I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die [22:48]
fluffypony rich and full of body [22:48]
jurov http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy23.jpg imma use this for coinbr maintenance page [22:48]
jurov or rather 500 errors [22:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00085874 = 2.9627 BTC [+] [22:50]
BingoBoingo The monkeyfish would make a great error message. [22:51]
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jurov http://forum.truecrypt.ch/t/poll-what-name-would-be-best/29 vote for the last :D [22:59]
assbot Poll: What name would be best? - TCnext [22:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01856559 = 0.13 BTC [-] [22:59]
jurov they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid [23:00]
fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1z5hnyKfBg [23:05]
fluffypony lol [23:05]
assbot This Girl Didn't Make Her Point So Well - YouTube [23:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.06843266 = 17.1082 BTC [-] {19} [23:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2050 @ 0.00006881 = 0.1411 BTC [+] {2} [23:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2952 @ 0.00005895 = 0.174 BTC [-] {8} [23:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.00085506 = 9.6707 BTC [-] {2} [23:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 669 @ 0.00036106 = 0.2415 BTC [-] {3} [23:30]
Mats_cd03 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraqi-city-tikrit-falls-isil-fighters-2014611135333576799.html [23:30]
assbot Iraq city of Tikrit falls to ISIL fighters - Middle East - Al Jazeera English [23:30]
Mats_cd03 opec should reconsider this morning's news [23:33]
mike_c bitbet: ISIL takes baghdad [23:34]
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BingoBoingo Oh, a .net .split [23:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-] [23:46]
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BingoBoingo http://www.coindesk.com/expresscoin-launches-become-coinbase-unbanked/ [23:50]
assbot Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk [23:50]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: coinbase for the unbanked << when do we get mazerati for the unmazeratied? [23:51]
TheNewDeal oooh dogecoin as well [23:51]
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TheNewDeal I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become [23:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Probably next week. I'll just need some fiberglass to duct tape to this lawnmower. [23:52]
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TheNewDeal actually thats backwards [23:52]
TheNewDeal it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade [23:53]
benkay mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets. [23:54]
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BingoBoingo http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer#r=hp-lst [23:55]
assbot With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek [23:55]
jborkl It was a DDOS attack it went up to 750k kpbs for a few hours this morning then stopped [23:56]
jborkl not really sure why though, not like it would make any difference? [23:57]
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