Forum logs for 11 Jun 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform | decimation: ? | [00:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24979999 = 0.9992 BTC [+] | [00:02] |
BingoBoingo | I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..." | [00:02] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics... | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: afaik he's a sworn vassal of the estate. and some bozo bought it. | [00:04] |
decimation | What did you mean by "SMBX"? | [00:04] |
decimation | ;;google smbx box | [00:05] |
gribble | SMBX Tutorial: How to make a message box - YouTube: |
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asciilifeform | symbolics corp. | [00:05] |
decimation | ah | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | used to be on 'nasdaq' as smbx | [00:05] |
BingoBoingo | ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong" | [00:05] |
gribble | The Price Is Wrong, Bitch - Happy Gilmore (8/9) Movie CLIP (1996 ...: |
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decimation | apparently there is a massive demoer scene for super mario brothers X | [00:05] |
decimation | goes to show how forgotten symbolics is I guess | [00:06] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: http://www.symbolics-dks.com | [00:06] |
asciilifeform | david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee. | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | not sure if he has any left to sell these days | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | but if he does, and you want one, he'll pick up phone, invite you over. | [00:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6894 @ 0.00085334 = 5.8829 BTC [-] {2} | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | (that's where i got mine) | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | the man is in his 80s i think | [00:09] |
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BingoBoingo | A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more. | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | the only other 'playing characters' in the outfit are, afaik, a fellow named kalman reti (software support; wrote the x86-64 emu) | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | and, of course, the owner. | [00:09] |
BingoBoingo | Reti did that beautiful presentation you embeded. | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | for some years, it was a new york (?) serial con man, who bought and sold corpses of old companies | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | died with millions in debt | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | even had artificial heart, bought on a kited cheque | [00:10] |
decimation | I wonder if you can run modern emacs on one of those things | [00:10] |
decimation | lol | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | didn't know a thing about computers | [00:10] |
decimation | reminds me of that "rabite" guy that MP recently unarchived | [00:11] |
BingoBoingo | rabite is a different monster... | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | a source that didn't want to be named told me that one dr john mallery (mit) bought it for fire sale price | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | after topping (con man) died | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | mallery wrote cl-http, infamous for draconian license | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | for some years it ran www.whitehouse | [00:12] |
BingoBoingo | Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz. | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | mallery is a 'man of wealth and taste', possibly consults for nsa & friends. | [00:13] |
decimation | wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems | [00:13] |
BingoBoingo | Wealth in itself is nothing without taste. | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | what the present-day symbolics corp. is for is not a secret: | [00:14] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30. | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | http://usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22SYMBOLICS+TECHNOLOGY+INCORPORATED%22%2C%22recipient_duns%22%3A%5B%22966978090%22%5D%7D&sort_by=dollars&per_page=25 | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | it brings in a few $10k/yr in maintenance contracts, dated into eternity | [00:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.024386 = 0.1463 BTC [-] | [00:17] |
decimation | Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | decimation: if i recall, they do cartography there | [00:17] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | can't say that i can | [00:18] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too.... | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | re: symbolics: if anyone has a $mil or two in their sofa cushions, can probably buy it. but then you'll be conscripted into supporting the ancient contracts. | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | it's worth about what a decent restaurant in a small town is. | [00:19] |
BingoBoingo | So... $10 mill can piss on the contracts? | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | i doubt the contract will be honoured when dks finally succumbs to old age | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | there is scarcely anyone left alive who could take his work | [00:20] |
decimation | well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware... | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | it's more like 40-50k | [00:21] |
BingoBoingo | Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35 | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: unlike the airplane folks, this is a case where the rubber actually hits the road. there's a couple dozen ancient boxes, that cannot be replaced. | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | proggys dating to gulf war 1 (at least) for which there will be no substitute | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | etc | [00:22] |
decimation | well, the can be "replaced", FAA style | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | sure | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | AmEx was once the largest customer of smbx | [00:23] |
BingoBoingo | Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane. | [00:23] |
decimation | these people have been "replacing" routing software since the 90's http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/stars.htm | [00:23] |
assbot | Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS) | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | they sold thousands of surplus boxes when they moved to some 'enterprise' crudware | [00:23] |
decimation | this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | (the lisp machines ran a fraud detector heuristic gizmo, afaik the first of its kind.) | [00:24] |
decimation | old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers) | [00:24] |
BingoBoingo | Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog??? | [00:25] |
decimation | how could any thinking person consider a winblows interface an 'upgrade'? | [00:25] |
decimation | using a mouse on a cash register is going to be demonstrably slower for data entry for one thing | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | the way this usually works is that old vendor (say, ibm) either 'end of lifes' or decides to charge a fortune for support | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | microshit comes and offers to 'help' | [00:26] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit. | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | etc | [00:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00085386 = 7.514 BTC [+] {3} | [00:26] |
decimation | well portable ipad based bodegas or whatever are a corner case. I'm talking about Target | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: on the contrary, using portables as a student is what got me using 'ratpoison' | [00:27] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: try using 'clitoral mouse' on the old toshibas, for example | [00:27] |
decimation | I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted? | [00:27] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Really. Clitoral mouse pushes me into a left side xfce panel. | [00:27] |
BingoBoingo | Cwm makes me want a real keyboard. | [00:28] |
decimation | I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd | [00:28] |
asciilifeform | decimation: nothing like the target corp. 'hack' takes place without the cooperation of managerial traitors | [00:28] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: What about bar codes. Reisters are run by tards. | [00:28] |
decimation | bar code readers are a trival add-on character device | [00:29] |
BingoBoingo | Also.. am I actually drunk or am I coding messages... | [00:29] |
decimation | I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen | [00:30] |
BingoBoingo | And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving... | [00:30] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i distinctly recall when the libraries here went winblows | [00:30] |
asciilifeform | threw out hundreds of perfectly good ibm green screens | [00:31] |
decimation | yeah exactly with great model m style keyboards | [00:31] |
decimation | I think unisys bought the main library vendor | [00:31] |
BingoBoingo | I still can't fucking believe RDF beat Dublin core. | [00:31] |
BingoBoingo | LIke Nigbungu brainwashed everyone. | [00:32] |
BingoBoingo | And I have yet to verify a nigger with black skin. I've only met white niggers. | [00:33] |
decimation | re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | decimation: u.s. software industry was essentially exempted from ordinary consumer liability by statute some time in the '80s | [00:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2498 = 1.249 BTC [+] | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | don't make the mistake of thinking of this as a 'prime mover' though | [00:35] |
asciilifeform | the bureaucrats simply bent under the weight of the seemingly inevitable | [00:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.024389 = 0.9512 BTC [+] | [00:36] |
BingoBoingo | Eh, come Septemeber one project of mine might consist of making interesting case law. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/ | [00:36] |
assbot | Inconvenience | Bingo Blog | [00:37] |
decimation | for example, I read this story in the morning paper: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25730375/estate-of-late-state-health-director-files | [00:37] |
assbot | Estate of Loretta Fuddy, state health director killed in plane c - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL | [00:37] |
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decimation | the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) | [00:37] |
BingoBoingo | Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so. | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | that makes what, 6? 7? 'interesting' people died in private airplanes in the past year or two | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | in usa. | [00:38] |
decimation | her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop | [00:38] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck, I've have never been measured having a "normal" heart beat. | [00:38] |
decimation | how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island) | [00:39] |
BingoBoingo | Because Pratt is in the engine industry and Ellison is in the problem industry. | [00:40] |
BingoBoingo | Also aside from torsades de points no ununsual heart beats are that... rare | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | what are they to do - sue the nice folks who put the thermite limpet in the turbine the night before? | [00:41] |
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decimation | well, "died of cardiac arrythmia" could be more properly stated as "died of being old, fat and out of shape" | [00:41] |
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BingoBoingo | Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | or should they sue the bartender who mixed the a saxitoxin cocktail? | [00:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.024389 = 0.4878 BTC [+] | [00:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.251 = 0.502 BTC [+] {2} | [00:42] |
decimation | yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices | [00:43] |
BingoBoingo | What devices, hearts are easy to treat pharmaceutically. Hearts are awfully deterministic for organic machines. | [00:43] |
decimation | ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well | [00:44] |
decimation | why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? | [00:44] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun | [00:44] |
decimation | or fall out of a building | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | that, etc. | [00:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00229936 = 0.1012 BTC [-] | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | at the rate the bureaucrats work, might die of old age. can never get quality service around here! | [00:46] |
BingoBoingo | All of those are too obvious vor contemporary assassinations. What about was prescribed too much Vitamin D3? | [00:46] |
BingoBoingo | Is no one creative anymore? | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: bunch of folks in ussr once died from vitamin d overdose. a tank of it was stolen and sold as 'cooking oil' (has roughly the correct appearance and consistency) | [00:48] |
BingoBoingo | It does indeed | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | interestingly no mention of this on pediwikia | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | the case was an interesting one, in that it was initially treated as epidemic | [00:50] |
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asciilifeform | they ended up having to call in the soviet equivalent of a 'pinkerton' to crack the puzzle | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | (what did the corpses have in common) | [00:50] |
BingoBoingo | Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones... | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: see also the death of slobodan m. | [00:51] |
asciilifeform | (conveniently given the 'opposite' heart rate med shortly before he was to testify) | [00:52] |
BingoBoingo | The thing is I would have had no idea until I was accidentallied the pharmacy school's microphone slave. | [00:53] |
BingoBoingo | Then again people with ideas are idiots. | [00:54] |
BingoBoingo | I seriously wonder what will happen now at the late August court date since... I am not an idiot and the acting DA should not be an idiot and is not inocent. | [00:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02777999 = 0.1389 BTC [-] {3} | [00:57] |
BingoBoingo | I mean the Federalk government has all of these weird laws to blow the whistle on. | [00:57] |
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BingoBoingo | Most people can survive the regime on civilized arrangements. | [00:58] |
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BingoBoingo | !up justusranvier | [00:58] |
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BingoBoingo | justusranvier: Plz say your dog is okay. | [00:59] |
asciilifeform | i often wonder how many people go to bed every night, with not one nailgun wound, disappointed at their insignificance | [00:59] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I've been dping that since the not at all secret saturday reveal. I am disappoint | [00:59] |
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asciilifeform | 'i'm still alive, must be a tard' | [00:59] |
BingoBoingo | Indeed. My new alias is Tater Totz | [01:00] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck me | [01:00] |
BingoBoingo | I suck | [01:00] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, someone else is using the nick Tater Totz | [01:01] |
BingoBoingo | This... must really suck for them... | [01:01] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't get the reference - or really want to | [01:01] |
justusranvier | BingoBoingo: She is ok | [01:02] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: The reference is merely to the pseudo source of carbo hydrates. | [01:02] |
BingoBoingo | justusranvier: That is great. | [01:02] |
justusranvier | Suppose I should tweet a follow up | [01:02] |
BingoBoingo | Dogs are too much better than us to suffer much | [01:02] |
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BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/476576385796825088 | [01:07] |
assbot | I'm a big Matt Carpenter fan. But, for Pete's sake, swing the bat! /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash | [01:07] |
justusranvier | I am rather fond of them but I wouldn't go so far as to say "better than us". | [01:07] |
BingoBoingo | justusranvier: Name a single person other people would knwo who inheres the property of being innocent... | [01:08] |
justusranvier | BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/476575872636289024 | [01:09] |
assbot | She's doing much better than a few days ago. http://t.co/0DRu2ae1qD | [01:09] |
BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/476491781614624768 | [01:09] |
assbot | It's not everyday you get a letter from the NSA. :-) /hashtag/FOIA?src=hash http://t.co/nmXYFpF8CS | [01:09] |
BingoBoingo | Thank you justusranvier | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ << | [01:10] |
assbot | On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | mp proudly presents. | [01:10] |
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BingoBoingo | That is some hella timing | [01:10] |
BingoBoingo | Also, I am probably never refering to canonical's product ever again as anything but nigbuntu. Even Windows is almost better. | [01:12] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [01:12] |
mircea_popescu | but why nig ? | [01:12] |
BingoBoingo | Because in dutch "nig" and "ignorant" resolve to the same root word. | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | oic. | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. << prolly. | [01:14] |
BingoBoingo | Also, seriously, nothing was logging system faults. I share some blame for not ensuring this, but... Who the fuck did I expect to do this. | [01:15] |
BingoBoingo | Lazy ass watermelon eating Mark Shuttleworth. | [01:16] |
mircea_popescu | hm, syslog ? | [01:16] |
BingoBoingo | Makes me hope there is NEVER a new Rhodesia. | [01:16] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Firefox crashed opening a cryptome link. | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | uh | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | that's not likely a kernel errror | [01:17] |
asciilifeform | if all (even userland) crashes were exploitable - we'd all be rich | [01:18] |
asciilifeform | (or just very sad) | [01:18] |
BingoBoingo | I assumed all crashes were logged, but I was too niggardly to make sure. | [01:19] |
BingoBoingo | Now I'm connected to IRC through a pile of lies. | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | !b 2 | [01:20] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/186BRM9.txt ) | [01:20] |
asciilifeform | ratio of crashes to useful (exploitable) crashes is roughly like kimberlite to diamond. | [01:20] |
BingoBoingo | Explain those minerals in Eve terms... | [01:21] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ | [01:21] |
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BingoBoingo | Also... I'm glad I never turn the Ultra 5 off | [01:21] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: volcanic rock, found in za | [01:21] |
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mircea_popescu | davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp << if you believe the numbers, yes. | [01:23] |
BingoBoingo | Za mean nothing now that South africa has the abreviation. Where did the great Rhodesia go??? | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust nkuttler | [01:24] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask nkuttler!~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nkuttler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nkuttler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nkuttler | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 17:12:48 2013 | [01:24] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: incidentally you can still get '.su' | [01:24] |
BingoBoingo | Wake me up when I can get .nig | [01:24] |
BingoBoingo | SHort for shuttleworth | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | wonder who will have '.us' a decade hence | [01:25] |
BingoBoingo | Never since Adrian IV has someone squandered prominence as much as Shuttlecock has. | [01:25] |
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mircea_popescu | !up joesmoe | [01:26] |
-assbot- | You voiced joesmoe for 30 minutes. | [01:26] |
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mircea_popescu | to auto-voice you need to a) identify with gribble. you don't need gpg for this, tho gpg works. you can also identify with your btc address ; b) be in assbot's l2 trust. | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe | [01:27] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013 | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | you currently are not, which is why assbot isn't upping you. | [01:27] |
joecool | ;;gettrust assbot joecool | [01:28] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011 | [01:28] |
BingoBoingo | Through this mess of VM's I'll also say the portale's original Mobo is dead. Fuck you '12 BIOS update. | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0 << holy shit that 2nd post reads like yahoo answers | [01:28] |
assbot | Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev? | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | they've created their own community alright. | [01:28] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu's post: führerprinzip, it works. preaching to choir? | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform im justannoyed that people like mises and hayek, ultimate fucking socialists, are represented as some sort of anti-socialism. | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | fucking bullshit, collectivists arguing with each other as to the proper way to the gallows, pretending like it's a world. | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: incidentally, ~= 'единоначалие'. how do you say 'führerprinzip' in english? 'steve jobs' ? | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i don't think these are the same tbh. | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | true | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | if they were, there'd be no need to learn languages | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | there's this very active, latin approach to leadership that i object to. | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | your leader is not fucking here to tell you what to do. | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | i like to call it 'playing civ-1' | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | it's exhausting. | [01:31] |
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asciilifeform | stalin was never more frustrated and ineffective than when he played civ1 | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | what, on the early years of the front? | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | there, and occasionally at home | [01:32] |
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BingoBoingo | My favorite part of C machines is their capacity for deception. | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer << lmao | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao << always has been. by... mtgox. bcause... "it;'s better someone with bitcoin's interests at heart have the tm than someone random" | [01:37] |
mircea_popescu | now it will be bought for pennies in a court auction, and you will ALL have to be on my pissing on patents submarine, willy-nilly. | [01:37] |
mircea_popescu | well, the dorks that made bitcoin* stuff, at any rate. | [01:37] |
asciilifeform | cue the 'we live in submarine' song | [01:38] |
mircea_popescu | drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here << lol fluffypony who's she ? | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | !up drawingthesun | [01:40] |
-assbot- | You voiced drawingthesun for 30 minutes. | [01:40] |
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BingoBoingo | It is truly amazing what happens when you walk a disgraced judge's steps backwards a few steps. | [01:40] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous << the lumbar yard! | [01:41] |
BingoBoingo | I know I've played chess here a few times. In the interim have batter cess players found their way here? | [01:42] |
BingoBoingo | moiety??? | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | mnope | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen moiety | [01:43] |
BingoBoingo | Ah | [01:43] |
gribble | moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: |
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mircea_popescu | wonder what happened to her | [01:44] |
BingoBoingo | Prolly Phone blindness | [01:44] |
asciilifeform | finally bought manul ? | [01:44] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Manul won't counter my Pirc defense with an Austrian attack so boring... | [01:45] |
asciilifeform | (phun phact. last i checked, you can legally own and keep any animal you wish in a moscow apartment.) | [01:45] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Same holds in Missouri. | [01:45] |
asciilifeform | there's a clip somewhere of a happy owner of siberian lynx in a little flat there. | [01:45] |
asciilifeform | 8th floor. | [01:45] |
BingoBoingo | Missouri is the only US state that keeps the promise. | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | (new meaning for tired old 'longcat is long') | [01:46] |
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penguirker | New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-updates-imperial-monarch-might-ship-600gh-model-now/ | [01:49] |
decimation | mircea_popescu - your intro to the Hayek post calls to mind Mr. Moldbug's point about "chronic kinglessness" | [01:51] |
decimation | most of the west would be unable to pass the test of being willing to happily die for the wishes of a particular man or set of men | [01:52] |
asciilifeform | decimation: carlyle, evola, ..., ..., limonov, moldy... if one were to spit out all the folks who complained about kinglessness, freenode will boot you for flooding | [01:52] |
decimation | yeah, when you think clearly about the nature of soveriegnty, it becomes obvious | [01:53] |
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[]bot | Bet created: "Yankees to get most all-star selections" http://bitbet.us/bet/895/ | [01:55] |
decimation | also, modern china, singapore, dubai, etc show that "totalitarianism" (lack of collectivism?) is hardly a barrier to economic development | [01:55] |
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asciilifeform | 'All cannot play the king, and a host of leaders is no wise thing. Let us have but the one leader, the one true king...' - homer's iliad, part ii | [01:57] |
asciilifeform | etc | [01:57] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: the subject of democracy as a successful parasite on wealthy nations was beaten to death by countless people. | [01:59] |
asciilifeform | before mr. m touched it | [01:59] |
asciilifeform | somehow he gets credited with it by the reddit folks, sorta like tim leary getting credit for lsd | [01:59] |
asciilifeform | (most americans seem to think that leary discovered it) | [02:00] |
decimation | yeah that's a good point. I guess the reason I "credit" him is because he was the one who brought me out of my ignorance on the subject | [02:00] |
* | BingoBoingo actually had a grad class that spent a few weeks on the Leary papers. | [02:00] |
decimation | but there is no doubt that it is ancient complaint | [02:01] |
asciilifeform | pity he couldn't stop at popularizing and had to mix in assorted crud. | [02:02] |
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asciilifeform | when we make monkey noises at moldbug, have to remember, the man perhaps should not be held responsible for his audience | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | decimation how;s that one go ? | [02:03] |
asciilifeform | 'you go to war with the enemy you had, not the enemy you wish you had' - or how'd that go. | [02:03] |
decimation | the complaint about the degenerate nature of democracy (and its various aliases)? | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | the irony being that democracy works fine... here. | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | among people who comprehend the nature of freedom, so to speak. | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | which is notreally distinct from the nature of sovereignity. | [02:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00006623 = 0.1325 BTC [-] | [02:05] |
BingoBoingo | There are geographic anamalies that break democracies and republics, the premier example of which is Illinois. | [02:05] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, old russian folk phrase for a fool, 'без царя в голове' - literally, 'without a king in his head' is useful & applicable | [02:05] |
asciilifeform | sovereignty starts 'at home' | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much | [02:06] |
asciilifeform | some american or other wrote about 'femtoeconomics' - keeping order in your own brain, i think it was | [02:06] |
asciilifeform | perhaps similar concept | [02:06] |
decimation | my brain recalls moldbug's discussion of cis vs. trans democracy | [02:06] |
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asciilifeform | mr mold sometimes reminds me of a kid, given a chess set but with no notion of the game, treating the pieces as a curious kind of marble / blunt or pointed weapon. | [02:08] |
decimation | yeah, he has mastered that "alien" form of thinking | [02:08] |
BingoBoingo | WTF is cs vs. trans. SHould be dex vs. levo... | [02:09] |
decimation | well, I don't think he's an expert chemist... | [02:10] |
asciilifeform | obligatory: | [02:10] |
asciilifeform | http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm | [02:10] |
assbot | Why is there Anti-Intellectualism? | [02:10] |
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BingoBoingo | That isn't expert shit, that is learning things rotate shit. | [02:11] |
asciilifeform | 'It is useful, however, to distinguish between tinkering and creativity...' | [02:11] |
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asciilifeform | '...The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of childlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite.' | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | not a bad observation. | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | too many kids running around, raising kids of their own | [02:13] |
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decimation | asciilifeform, that's a brilliant essay, thanks for the link. | [02:20] |
decimation | It strikes me that curiousity is a feature of genetic expression | [02:20] |
[]bot | Bet created: "EUR/USD rate to close on or above 1.40 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/896/ | [02:21] |
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BingoBoingo | !up Ukyo | [02:23] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation indeed it is. | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | that's also why it continues to exist after havingkilled numerous cats | [02:26] |
[]bot | Bet created: "S.MG profitable in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/897/ | [02:26] |
BingoBoingo | %ticker | [02:36] |
atcbot | [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 260 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 4k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143 | [02:36] |
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BingoBoingo | OMG | [02:41] |
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mircea_popescu | "Sub-Saharan Africans never discovered Madagascar. Madagascar was settled initially by sailors from Indonesia" | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps some reparations are in order. | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | Africans never discovered nearby islands like the Cape Verde archipelago. | [03:10] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm << splendid read indeed. | [03:23] |
assbot | Why is there Anti-Intellectualism? | [03:23] |
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dub | indeed | [04:25] |
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fluffypony | rice boys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2K2lCgbXw | [04:35] |
assbot | Who needs air? (Better Quality) - YouTube | [04:35] |
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decimation | for those innocent of the subject, here's a video that gives a taste of the Chinese dominance of the electronics market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtRJc-z05k | [04:41] |
assbot | Electronics shops in Hua Qiang Bei, Shenzhen, China - YouTube | [04:41] |
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Naphex | morning | [04:59] |
davout | ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! | [05:00] |
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pankkake | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5265047&cid=47207157 | [05:32] |
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davout | kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/ | [06:55] |
assbot | BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`875 (100`000 to 1) | [06:55] |
pankkake | "If the most optimistic predictions for am's performance come true, I will be able to cover my losses from virtually every other garbage scheme I bought into, plus some." bitcointalk, still looking at a bailout | [06:56] |
davout | as in, it can have revenue but still be unprofitable due to expenses | [06:56] |
pankkake | s/at/for/ | [06:56] |
fluffypony | lol | [06:56] |
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chetty | It’s hard to deny just how poorly Chicago’s public schools are performing when it hits you in the face. Such is the case with Paul Robeson High School’s 2014 prom theme: “This is Are Story.” | [07:05] |
pankkake | :o thanks obama! | [07:06] |
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chetty | pankkake, to be fair Obama hasn't been around long enough to ruin the HS kids | [07:15] |
dub | but blame africa | [07:15] |
pankkake | but he's from Chicago right? | [07:15] |
chetty | well he didn't go to HS there, but if he did that might explain a lot | [07:16] |
Mats_cd03 | barely | [07:16] |
dub | its a story about pirates | [07:16] |
chetty | now heres one to feed the fear: http://witscience.org/analysis-of-radio-frequency-identification-rfid-chip-prevalence-in-3-discrete-united-states-populations/ | [07:17] |
assbot | Analysis of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip Prevalence in 3 Discrete United States Populations – WIT | [07:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+] | [07:18] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7761 @ 0.00085426 = 6.6299 BTC [-] {2} | [07:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0693002 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2} | [07:27] |
dub | I'd like to know whats on the chip | [07:31] |
dub | one of our american brothers should dump one | [07:32] |
chetty | shouldnt be that hard to get a filling replaced and check it out | [07:34] |
dub | should be able to just scan it | [07:34] |
fluffypony | http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2014/cacr2014-10.pdf | [07:34] |
fluffypony | that is awesome | [07:34] |
* | dub IPO's the Personal Faraday Cage | [07:38] |
fluffypony | lol | [07:40] |
dub | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY | [07:41] |
assbot | Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube | [07:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0698 = 0.698 BTC [+] | [08:14] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029999 = 0.21 BTC [-] | [08:16] |
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pankkake | http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/anuncios/2014-no-hay-mas-direcciones-ipv4-en-lac | [08:39] |
assbot | Home - LACNIC | [08:39] |
pankkake | http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-betting-kicks-brazil-world-cup/ | [08:41] |
assbot | Bitcoin Betting Kicks Off for Brazil World Cup | [08:41] |
pankkake | no bitbet either | [08:41] |
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davout | dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY <<< old but gold | [08:43] |
assbot | Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube | [08:43] |
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kakobrekla | ;;later tell mircea_popescu |
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gribble | The operation succeeded. | [08:47] |
assbot | BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`823 (100`000 to 1) | [08:47] |
dub | davout: handome coke sniper is the best | [08:55] |
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dub | hansom* | [08:55] |
davout | watching | [08:55] |
davout | dub: amazing | [08:58] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [08:58] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085444 = 9.527 BTC [+] {3} | [09:02] |
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Mats_cd03 | ;;ticker | [09:08] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 630.0, Best ask: 632.07, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 631.89, 24 hour volume: 7078.38017203, 24 hour low: 627.12, 24 hour high: 654.13, 24 hour vwap: 649.944906232 | [09:08] |
Mats_cd03 | ;;bc,stats | [09:08] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 305253 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1178 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12243694772.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14359 | [09:08] |
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kakobrekla | !up weenfan | [09:49] |
kakobrekla | how stupid is this. | [09:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.029999 = 0.36 BTC [-] | [09:57] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0699 = 0.3495 BTC [+] | [10:01] |
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assbot | weenfan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 | [10:02] |
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kakobrekla | !up weenfan | [10:03] |
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kakobrekla | !up SomeoneWeird | [10:03] |
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weenfan | :) | [10:04] |
kakobrekla | welcome! | [10:04] |
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fluffypony | kakobrekla: what's stupid? | [10:13] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029 = 0.203 BTC [-] | [10:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0244 = 0.3172 BTC [+] | [10:16] |
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kakobrekla | fluffy http://dpaste.com/2J7QFJ6.txt | [10:17] |
fluffypony | lol | [10:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0701255 = 1.4025 BTC [+] | [10:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07039137 = 0.7039 BTC [+] | [10:23] |
Mats_cd03 | http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867 | [10:23] |
assbot | The Argentine bond saga, made simple : SCOTUSblog | [10:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] | [10:26] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [10:38] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [10:38] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085349 = 3.9261 BTC [-] | [10:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0244 = 0.1952 BTC [+] | [10:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.00429979 = 0.4472 BTC [-] {2} | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) << built by the mexican mafia, was it. | [10:46] |
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mircea_popescu | benkay the totality of russian personnel residing on foreign soil would be the residentura. the subset doing interesting stuff out of them (such as, not the ambassador's personal homebred imported cocksucker - in most places you have to import women as they don't grow locally babes tall enough, blonde enough, fair skinned enough, lithe enough etc etc etc) would be the... agentura. | [10:48] |
mircea_popescu | but since we're on it : agentura.ru :D | [10:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0694053 = 0.4164 BTC [-] | [10:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085495 = 11.5418 BTC [+] {3} | [10:49] |
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mircea_popescu | (mostly andrei soldatov, a much more interesting fellow than mossberg, imo) | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | and speaking of mossberg : a google on re/code does NOT pop up the wikipedia page on the top 10 results, like for absolutely any other word with a wikipedia entry. | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | nevertheless, it DOES pop a right panel with a summary of mossberg's wikipedia page. | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | someone should put the time into researching the matter, it seems clear to me by now google is entirely manual, they have no algo left at all. | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | basically the 400bn mkt cap company is in its entirety a hundred people trying to maintain a web directory, and we're back to the early 90s over here. | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe << lol ok. that was worth it :D | [11:00] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange << it's seriously not that healthy. | [11:03] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't eat the pork fried on the bible/coran/etc for the record. | [11:03] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting << im interested to hear more of the latter part, do tell ? | [11:04] |
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mircea_popescu | dub: ff crashed because ff << more specifically, because mozilla co STILL can't make a half decent garbage collector, so they constantly leak memory. yes, even version 69 or w/e they're up to by now. | [11:06] |
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mircea_popescu | this has fundamental causes in the original training of the people involved with the code, which is why you don't want to learn to computer on bullshit fashionable languages. | [11:06] |
pankkake | their garbage collector is better each version, but they add more garbage each version | [11:06] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta learn to computer on a language everyone despises, that'll keep you from thinking too much of fucking languages. | [11:07] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake haha you have a way with words mr. | [11:07] |
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mircea_popescu | ok, here's another thing. asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. << intuitively it seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not ? | [11:11] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: gentoo is a source-only distro, where you get to twiddle compiler flags, wait a week for newly-provisioned machine to compile the universe, and - most annoyingly - suffer in the innermost circle of 'dependency hell' where you have to tear up the entire world to build xxxx | [11:12] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the latter part. bycicling | [11:12] |
mircea_popescu | i know why gentoo sucks :D | [11:12] |
asciilifeform | (on account of xxxx depending on yyy which cannot be built with old version of xxxx around, etc. - sometimes 50 packages long 'chain') | [11:12] |
asciilifeform | aha | [11:12] |
asciilifeform | picture the folks who ride 50km on bicycle in each direction every day | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | but why would it have to be 50km ? | [11:13] |
asciilifeform | because usa | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | but that's because non-cycle. | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | in a town designed for walking everyone else does fine. | [11:13] |
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mircea_popescu | in a town designed for driving nothing ever works. | [11:14] |
asciilifeform | obviously true | [11:14] |
asciilifeform | also true | [11:14] |
mircea_popescu | (yet another fundamentally wrong design decision that sits at the core of the us' failure, and can't be fixed) | [11:14] |
asciilifeform | seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not << 'travelling salesman problem' | [11:14] |
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mircea_popescu | let's start with what autorouter does. it fills in routes you didn't make yourself ? | [11:15] |
asciilifeform | correct | [11:15] |
asciilifeform | some proggys even try to place components | [11:15] |
asciilifeform | (this, afaik, never works) | [11:15] |
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mircea_popescu | ok so now... the number of possible connections is finite. | [11:15] |
mircea_popescu | what's the problem with bruteforcing it ? | [11:15] |
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asciilifeform | finite human lifespan... | [11:16] |
mircea_popescu | maybe that's what i'm not getting. how many routes are there on an average board ? thousands ? | [11:16] |
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asciilifeform | thousands. | [11:16] |
asciilifeform | but understand, it isn't enough to merely connect things | [11:17] |
mircea_popescu | so then what in the fuck. you take an infinite lifespan to try out 10k options on a computer ? | [11:17] |
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asciilifeform | gotta obey various rules (minimal clearances between various kinds of objects; minimized path lengths; avoid vias like the plague in high-frequency signals; etc) | [11:17] |
asciilifeform | sometimes N or more paths have to be of the same length (to 0.1 mm or so) and you end with 'meanders' (look at the bottom side of stick of sdram) | [11:18] |
asciilifeform | on top of this, the tracks, vias, components - occupy space | [11:18] |
asciilifeform | a via occupies space on all N layers of a board | [11:18] |
asciilifeform | (unless it doesn't. called 'blind' via) | [11:18] |
asciilifeform | ^ expensive | [11:19] |
mircea_popescu | i still think this should be a solvable problem. | [11:19] |
* | mircea_popescu is quite naive. | [11:19] |
asciilifeform | in practice, it is solvable - in the sense that man applies 'muscle grease' and board gets routed. eventually. | [11:20] |
asciilifeform | and the machine's contribution is substantial | [11:20] |
asciilifeform | (no one but children, afaik, uses cad without autorouter entirely) | [11:20] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now. | [11:20] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i actually added this to the list of things to do when im old and retired. | [11:21] |
mircea_popescu | no fucking way this doesn't have a good solution | [11:21] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script << the origin of batshit. | [11:22] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: things to do << fundamentally we're all making a mistake, of solving salesman problem on von neumann engine. instead, | [11:24] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931 | [11:24] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [11:24] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform my intuition is that the machine couldhave evolving bias. like you know, a virgin girl trying to fuck you. | [11:24] |
mircea_popescu | "like this ? | [11:24] |
mircea_popescu | "how about this ? | [11:24] |
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mircea_popescu | "is this any good ?" | [11:24] |
asciilifeform | (variation on the famous puzzle-joke where mathematicians were given piles of sticks to sort. they puttered around with algorithms - and then janitor comes, and simply stands the sticks up on table, picking them off longest first...) | [11:25] |
mircea_popescu | something like that | [11:25] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz << lulz is quite understandable, if not machine-understandable. the trick most people claiming to be "only in for the lulz" do is copied directly from that ancient trick of the socialist, "in it only for the soviets" : they oft use it to cover their own (usually intellecual) laziness | [11:31] |
mircea_popescu | with the infantile expectation that no one might figure it out, and should someone figure it out they'd necessarily be easy to laugh down, "because lulz" | [11:31] |
davout | "BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now." <<< which is one of the reason specifying the protocol was deemed 'too hard' | [11:32] |
mircea_popescu | obviously it doesn't work that way, but "obviously" doesn't work for your average screentanned neckbeard because obviously depends on social experience | [11:32] |
mircea_popescu | davout indeed. the dirty little open secret here is that if you don't specify it openly, mp will specify it closedly and then beat you over the head every time you deviate | [11:32] |
mircea_popescu | and you'll be painfully wrong and he'll be lulzily right each time he does it | [11:33] |
mircea_popescu | and now you've engineered humiliatory failure for yourself. | [11:33] |
mircea_popescu | but, like the above, not something the screentanned neckbeard can figure out on his own. (same reason) | [11:33] |
davout | everyone's trying to be as cool as the openssl folks | [11:33] |
mircea_popescu | and plenty are succeeding lol | [11:34] |
davout | so, what do you think about the wording of the "s.mg profitable in 2014" bet ? | [11:35] |
mircea_popescu | i gotthe gribble but not there in the log so dunno context yet. | [11:35] |
mircea_popescu | what's th problem with it ? | [11:35] |
davout | the resolution says it has to have "revenue", the title says it has to be "profitable" | [11:36] |
davout | i'm saying it can have revenue without being profitable | [11:36] |
mircea_popescu | ah that. well, if all else fails the bitbet backstop is that titles are informative, bets are descriptive | [11:36] |
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mircea_popescu | much like you know, newspaperarticles | [11:36] |
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davout | ok, so by this logic i just have to make a donation to s.mg to have it have "revenue", and the bet resolves to 'yes' | [11:37] |
mircea_popescu | how would you make adonation to s.mg ? | [11:37] |
mircea_popescu | (and if the bet was worded otherwise, this would havbe been true. if you can make a hundred billion dollar donation to berkshire you can currently win the berkshire bet too) | [11:38] |
davout | by sending it money, assuming there's some sort of service rolled-out by end 2014, if not it can't really have revenue or be profitable, but in this case the bet title might as well be reworded to "s.mg open for business" or something like that | [11:38] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass. | [11:39] |
davout | just saying the resolution condition should be rewritten, which shouldn't be much of an issue since there are only house bets for now | [11:39] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think that ever happened to date. | [11:39] |
davout | said the virgin | [11:40] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, you're saying it, but you're not backing it up. | [11:40] |
davout | howso ? | [11:40] |
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mircea_popescu | lol. you ask me how so you've failed to make a case ? by failing to make a case lol. | [11:41] |
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mircea_popescu | howso you think you did make it, is more the question. | [11:42] |
davout | what part of "the title isn't consistent with the bet resolution condition" do you disagree with? | [11:42] |
mircea_popescu | the part where that matters. | [11:42] |
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mircea_popescu | consider perhaps a better example : we go into a japanese restaurant together, where we're given sticks to eat with. | [11:43] |
mircea_popescu | these aren't equal length. | [11:43] |
kakobrekla | how do you sort them? | [11:43] |
mircea_popescu | when pointed out to the manager, he explains that while they mostly try to make it the same length, being two different items obviously they can never in fact be equal length, for quantum reasons | [11:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00085315 = 2.9007 BTC [-] | [11:43] |
mircea_popescu | and so for any case, the backstop is that the larger stick's length is defined as the pair's equal length | [11:43] |
mike_c | what? that's ridiculous. the shorter stick should be the pair's equal length. | [11:44] |
davout | well, i get how that can be clarified, all i'm saying is that it can't really hurt to make them consistent, especially when no one else has bet yet | [11:44] |
mircea_popescu | obviously mike_c runs the rival FUD japanese restaurant across the street | [11:45] |
mircea_popescu | where not only they sleep with their horses in the bed, but also all house numbers are even | [11:45] |
mircea_popescu | like slovenly sluts. | [11:45] |
davout | and also that the bet doesn't make that much sense if to resolve to yes s.mg only has to report an incoming money transfer > 0 | [11:45] |
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kakobrekla | he likes to use that word. | [11:45] |
mircea_popescu | davout well let's do these one at a time huh ? | [11:45] |
mircea_popescu | it can't really hurt to make them consistent, before they're made. but the entire model (not just of bitbet, for that matter) rests on absolutes, and the proposal of improving this bet runs into the absolute that it's already published, | [11:46] |
mircea_popescu | and so it'll go nowhere. | [11:46] |
mircea_popescu | and as to how much sense a bet makes... who the fuck cares outside of the people betting on it. | [11:47] |
mike_c | bibet has stooped to making clarifying comments before. this may be appropriate in this case. | [11:47] |
mircea_popescu | imo bs shakespeare tony awards bets don't make any sense | [11:47] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c yeah but i prefer to make it buried in here. | [11:47] |
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mircea_popescu | gotta give fluffypony's platform a living after all. | [11:47] |
davout | granted, but following your logic, if the title doesn't matter wrt the bet resolution there's no problem changing it :-) | [11:47] |
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mircea_popescu | only because you abusively equate distinct things. | [11:48] |
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fluffypony | what did I miss | [11:48] |
mircea_popescu | the absolute isn't a conditional absolute, ie, "the bet won't changed except for parts we can get away with" | [11:48] |
mircea_popescu | +Be | [11:48] |
mircea_popescu | now if only the us congress spent their morning today reading this log instead of absolutely anything they've been doing, | [11:49] |
mircea_popescu | the us might have a chance of being properly administered for a day. | [11:49] |
mike_c | davout: you can easily fix this by asking the question in the comments. | [11:49] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c fud #2 for you today, suggesting the choice of venue is upon the plaintiff! WHO EVER HEARD OF THIS | [11:49] |
davout | the way i understand what you say is that the bet title is merely a convenience, it has no value with regards to resolution, so by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever | [11:49] |
mircea_popescu | davout sure, but the way you understand things has little bearing | [11:50] |
mircea_popescu | this isn't some sort of diplomatic negotiation where you can make oral notes on your signing of the treaty | [11:50] |
mircea_popescu | "germany understands this peace treaty as a carte blanche to fuck all your womenz" | [11:50] |
davout | hm | [11:50] |
mircea_popescu | the way it was said was that in any dispute between the two, the body carries. | [11:51] |
davout | i'm not saying there's an ambiguity in the bet resolution, it's perfectly clear if the body supersedes the title | [11:51] |
mircea_popescu | yeah but you're trying to equivocate between "in any dispute between the two, the body carries" and "by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever" | [11:52] |
mircea_popescu | these are not the same, really. for instance, the title is indexed. | [11:52] |
mircea_popescu | as far as bitbet is concerned, the string of english words that is the title NOW MEANS the string of english words that is the body. | [11:52] |
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mircea_popescu | much like if you made an alias. | [11:52] |
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mircea_popescu | that's the meaning of the japanese sticks story : not that you can throw out one stick | [11:53] |
mircea_popescu | but that whatever you may think your measurement shows, | [11:53] |
mircea_popescu | the shorter stick IS ACTUALLY as long as the longer one. | [11:53] |
davout | yes, i got all that :-) | [11:53] |
davout | let's move on to the second part | [11:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085432 = 0.6835 BTC [+] | [11:53] |
mircea_popescu | win. | [11:53] |
davout | wait | [11:54] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder how many people reading the logs just got a legal & philosophical education. | [11:54] |
mircea_popescu | what was the second part lessee | [11:54] |
davout | the way the resolution is worded can be reduced to : "bet resolves to yes if at some point during 2014, it is possible to send money to an address owned by s.mg" | [11:55] |
davout | because that would count as revenue | [11:55] |
mircea_popescu | well then it also has to report it. | [11:55] |
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mircea_popescu | or perhaps it could report revenue nobody sent as btc | [11:55] |
mircea_popescu | such as for instance i dunno, blizzard gets scared and pays us 50 bux to not run wow out of business | [11:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.070003 = 0.28 BTC [+] | [11:55] |
davout | that would count as revenue | [11:56] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [11:56] |
davout | making the bet resolve to yes | [11:56] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [11:56] |
davout | even if there are 500 BTC expenses to cover leading to a loss | [11:56] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [11:57] |
davout | so the bet resolution could be rewritten as "yes if s.mg receives at least one satoshi in 2014" | [11:57] |
chetty | you know it is fascinating how much this convo sounds like this 'issue':http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867 | [11:58] |
mircea_popescu | davout except satoshi is misleading, itcould receive a goat. | [11:58] |
davout | win | [11:58] |
davout | BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO REPORT IT TOO | [11:59] |
chetty | If someone gives me a goat I will never tell | [11:59] |
mircea_popescu | davout sure. | [11:59] |
mike_c | goat embezzlement! | [11:59] |
mircea_popescu | chetty lmao | [12:00] |
davout | it also has implications wrt to the bet resolution time | [12:00] |
davout | the bet can actually resolve as soon as s.mg is open for business | [12:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0699 = 1.398 BTC [-] | [12:01] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [12:01] |
pankkake | http://bitbet.us/propositions/ is too small, I can't see older rejects | [12:02] |
assbot | BitBet Propositions | [12:02] |
pankkake | or you should remove the pure spam | [12:02] |
mircea_popescu | or you could check daily. | [12:03] |
mircea_popescu | or add a rule "whenever the last bet on page is not in my list of read bets, halve the checking interval" | [12:03] |
mike_c | isn't there an rss? | [12:03] |
mike_c | ah, not for proposed | [12:04] |
mircea_popescu | now that may be a good idea | [12:04] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla, proposed bets rss ? | [12:04] |
pankkake | I did check yesterday | [12:05] |
pankkake | there was just too much bets (and spam) in a short timeframe | [12:05] |
pankkake | well, alternatively I can submit it for the third time :D | [12:05] |
mircea_popescu | chetty "Or, the Court might ask the Obama administration for its views on pari passu" | [12:06] |
mircea_popescu | since when the motherfucking hells does the administration have a say in this! | [12:06] |
mircea_popescu | jesus republic of the soviets they got going over there. go ask lenin whydontcha | [12:06] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake prolly rss is the best solution | [12:06] |
pankkake | why not remove the "fsdfdf" bets? they make up 80% of the page | [12:07] |
kakobrekla | pankkake if you are looking for the reason i can look it up | [12:07] |
pankkake | it's a bitcoin-central vs. kraken volume bet | [12:08] |
kakobrekla | this one : This bet resolves has Yes if Bitcoin-Central has a 30d BTC/EUR trading volume higher than Kraken's, at any point before 2015, as computed by http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ | [12:09] |
kakobrekla | ? | [12:10] |
assbot | Bitcoin Charts / Markets | [12:10] |
pankkake | yes | [12:10] |
kakobrekla | reason: Not going to check two pages every day to make sure; come up with a better resolution source if possible. | [12:10] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [12:10] |
pankkake | unfortunately there isn't, as neither exchanges publish a 30d volume | [12:10] |
davout | kakobrekla: dun worry, i'll tell you a couple in advance which day i'll push dogecoin volume to bitcoin charts | [12:11] |
kakobrekla | lel | [12:11] |
davout | *couple of days | [12:11] |
kakobrekla | btw when are you going to connect to rtbtc again | [12:11] |
davout | prolly sthg i'll work on during the summer | [12:12] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake this sort of bet is problematic, because what the fuck's the submitter to do. | [12:12] |
mircea_popescu | im thinking a solution going forward would be "claim bets", ie, bets that resolve one way unless proof to the contrary is presented in the comments. | [12:12] |
pankkake | yeah, for the CNY volume bet I actually wrote a script to watch the result | [12:13] |
mircea_popescu | the problem with this, of course, is that it gives a monetary incentive to make comments, at which point the result will be a flood of nonsense | [12:13] |
pankkake | then quickly archive.is the page | [12:13] |
mircea_popescu | (ie, someone who's not won loses nothing by making a spurious claim he has. this then taxes mod time, and the more complex the claim the better for the claimant) | [12:13] |
mircea_popescu | one of those subjects being thought about. | [12:14] |
pankkake | though for a 30d volume bet, you should see it coming | [12:14] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake unless one exchange is offline for a little bit. | [12:14] |
pankkake | no but I mean you have to care only if they are reasonably close, which isn't the case at all now | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | not so. | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | suppose each does 10 btc a day on average. | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | suppose one day there's a panic, which takes one offline but not the other, which now dows 500 btc | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | have you seen it coming ? | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | surely if they both were online both'd have done 500 btc, keeping their parity | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | but they weren't. | [12:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC | [12:16] |
mircea_popescu | "Particular difficulties ensue if the rules are not simple multiples of each other, and when vias must traverse between layers with different rules." | [12:16] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform ok im cured. this and the oxide gate problems, i can see it now. | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | "The earliest types of EDA routers were "manual routers" -- the drafter clicked a mouse on the endpoint of each line segment of each net. Modern PCB design software typically provides "interactive routers" -- the drafter selects a pad and clicks a few places to give the EDA tool an idea of where to go, and the EDA tool tries to place wires as close to that path as possible without violating DRC." << my naive bias thing | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | actually well implemented etc. | [12:17] |
Mats_cd03 | http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2440866 | [12:20] |
assbot | Intraday Momentum: The First Half-Hour Return Predicts the Last Half-Hour Return by Lei Gao, Yufeng Han, Guofu Zhou :: SSRN | [12:20] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [12:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] {2} | [12:25] |
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mike_c | it's amazing how many great links come through this channel without any need for up/down voting systems. | [12:27] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [12:27] |
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benkay | [12:28] | |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC | [12:28] |
benkay | i almost took a job making fixtures for them before i knew how little i enjoyed shop support at big shops. | [12:28] |
benkay | * asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun // are the 'suicides' humorously staged yet? | [12:29] |
mircea_popescu | !down mike_c | [12:30] |
-assbot- | mircea_popescu, you can't do that to mike_c. | [12:30] |
mircea_popescu | no up/down indeed :D | [12:30] |
mike_c | well there is that. | [12:30] |
mircea_popescu | benkay afaik heart beats on its own localised nervous system | [12:30] |
mircea_popescu | not going through the spine | [12:31] |
benkay | one of the subnets. | [12:31] |
benkay | installation was a pain | [12:31] |
benkay | :D | [12:31] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [12:31] |
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mircea_popescu | so this is the day of the longlog huh | [12:31] |
benkay | for me at least. | [12:32] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog << is that even possible ?! | [12:32] |
mircea_popescu | or you mean, "not turned on" | [12:32] |
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benkay | BingoBoingo: 'man logger' | [12:33] |
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mircea_popescu | they even had a special doohickey made so they could add it in the menus | [12:34] |
mircea_popescu | a sort of gui log reader | [12:34] |
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mircea_popescu | or do you mean that ancient "rsyslogd was HUPed, type lightweight" bug they've had for ages ? did it eventually prevail upon them and so they just took logging right out of 12.04 ? :D | [12:36] |
benkay | logging is hard | [12:36] |
benkay | users don't care | [12:36] |
benkay | give everyone a touchscreen | [12:36] |
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mircea_popescu | since now im looking into logs, | [12:39] |
mircea_popescu | [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth1 OUT= SRC=208.94.26.148 DST=192.168.0.100 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=242 ID=65083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=46252 | [12:39] |
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mircea_popescu | ppls haxxing off 443 now ? | [12:39] |
Mats_cd03 | http://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2014/05/alibaba-china-story-with-profitable.html | [12:41] |
assbot | Musings on Markets: Alibaba: A China Story with a profitable ending? | [12:41] |
davout | root | [12:41] |
davout | fail | [12:41] |
mircea_popescu | davout hm ? | [12:43] |
mircea_popescu | decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) <<< that took a while. | [12:49] |
mircea_popescu | someone'll prolly write a blockbuster in a little | [12:49] |
davout | nvm, wrong window | [12:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC | [12:49] |
kakobrekla | it was his username and password, root and fail. | [12:50] |
mircea_popescu | seems reasonable. | [12:50] |
davout | kakobrekla: hahaha, actually the password is root too | [12:51] |
kakobrekla | :) | [12:51] |
Mats_cd03 | i take credit for good links in this channel | [12:51] |
mircea_popescu | i once broke into a network with the root-leaf combo | [12:52] |
kakobrekla | http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-06-10-dlakava-dlan-junijski-uritoff-28170.jpg | [12:52] |
kakobrekla | now i take credit. | [12:52] |
mircea_popescu | this is why you don't make wicca chicks sysadmins | [12:52] |
Mats_cd03 | ur dirty | [12:52] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla that's not a good link, that's a bead link. | [12:52] |
davout | such nsfw | [12:52] |
kakobrekla | where dafuq do you work | [12:53] |
mircea_popescu | yogurt factory. | [12:53] |
benkay | !up blackwhite | [12:53] |
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kakobrekla | ah, they buy milk from us? | [12:53] |
mircea_popescu | not from us, from usagi. | [12:53] |
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thestringpuller | can't have cookies without milk | [12:59] |
fluffypony | lulz | [12:59] |
mircea_popescu | !up mjr_ | [12:59] |
-assbot- | You voiced mjr_ for 30 minutes. | [12:59] |
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mircea_popescu | !up TheNewDeal | [12:59] |
-assbot- | You voiced TheNewDeal for 30 minutes. | [12:59] |
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mircea_popescu | how's diff betting coming along | [12:59] |
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TheNewDeal | it's gonna be close | [12:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share | [13:00] |
TheNewDeal | we're actually losing some time this change, making the 3rd change iffy | [13:00] |
mircea_popescu | fun huh | [13:00] |
TheNewDeal | meh | [13:00] |
TheNewDeal | more interested in the opec production news of the morn | [13:01] |
Mats_cd03 | thats not good news | [13:01] |
TheNewDeal | what is? | [13:01] |
mircea_popescu | russia is emerging as a major ally of the muslims, and its strategy to energetically isolate the west is starting to take shape. | [13:02] |
TheNewDeal | west has lucked out with oil prospects of late | [13:02] |
TheNewDeal | not sure how long it will help though | [13:02] |
Mats_cd03 | diff bet and opec news | [13:03] |
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TheNewDeal | both, I know | [13:04] |
mircea_popescu | problem is | [13:04] |
mircea_popescu | youy never know if the west is lying or not | [13:04] |
TheNewDeal | I was hoping for the bitcoin network and the opec producers to ramp up production :D | [13:04] |
Mats_cd03 | iraq is going to lose a fourth city to the fictional caliphate | [13:04] |
Mats_cd03 | by the end of this year | [13:04] |
TheNewDeal | mircea_popescu true, and oil prospects are always estimates | [13:05] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [13:05] |
mircea_popescu | i can't image a us policy of easy money not including easy reserves. | [13:05] |
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fluffypony | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7250864#msg7250864 | [13:05] |
assbot | BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated] | [13:05] |
fluffypony | "On the other hand it was expected that usagi will get confused and "loose" the wallet. In general he's so confused that he doesn't know if he's a she or she's a he." | [13:05] |
fluffypony | lol! | [13:05] |
fluffypony | I love forum catch-up days | [13:06] |
Mats_cd03 | losing mosul to militants is a death blow | [13:06] |
mircea_popescu | i love olives | [13:06] |
mircea_popescu | Mats_cd03 you know, iraq 2 mayt well turn out to be the largest intl mistake the us ever made | [13:06] |
TheNewDeal | be back | [13:06] |
mircea_popescu | especially through being the last. | [13:06] |
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pankkake | the USAgi? | [13:07] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [13:07] |
fluffypony | hah hah | [13:08] |
pankkake | http://www.coindesk.com/expedia-will-accept-bitcoin-hotel-bookings/ | [13:09] |
assbot | Expedia Will Accept Bitcoin for Hotel Bookings | [13:09] |
mircea_popescu | funny btw, the us overthrew ukraine, the russian-backed syria overthrew iraq. | [13:09] |
mircea_popescu | so far, check. | [13:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711999 = 0.1424 BTC [+] | [13:10] |
Mats_cd03 | the northern alliance was the best bet iraq ever had for any semblance of security | [13:10] |
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Mats_cd03 | i wonder if the kurds have the stomach to breach doors and fight house to house | [13:11] |
Mats_cd03 | probably not | [13:11] |
mircea_popescu | stomach they have | [13:11] |
mircea_popescu | numbers they have not. | [13:11] |
mircea_popescu | at any rate, back on the realpolitik map, i wonder just how defensible afghanistan is w/o iraq, | [13:12] |
mircea_popescu | and once the withdrawal is complete by autumn i wonder just how safe any us interests in the midwest will ever be again. | [13:12] |
mircea_popescu | proll best start dealing with venezuela. | [13:13] |
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TheNewDeal | mexico and canada as well | [13:14] |
mircea_popescu | canada is a given, 52nd state, after uk | [13:15] |
mircea_popescu | mexico looks iffy tho | [13:15] |
chetty | its ok Mexico is currently moving to Arizona | [13:16] |
TheNewDeal | mexico is 3rd to canada and saudi arabia | [13:16] |
mircea_popescu | saudi arabia is in no way on the list. | [13:17] |
TheNewDeal | http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm | [13:17] |
assbot | U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports | [13:17] |
mircea_popescu | it's an ally of the us in thesense the tour guide of the fat tourist is an ally of his. | [13:17] |
mircea_popescu | taking him to all the good fleecing spots. | [13:17] |
mircea_popescu | i'll bet you the us won't be buying much oil from sa by the end of the decade. | [13:17] |
TheNewDeal | regardless of saudi, mexico is ~1/4 - 1/3 of the opec total | [13:19] |
mircea_popescu | also a doomed hope. the cartels will sooner or later make continued oil exports dependent on continued opium imports | [13:19] |
mircea_popescu | much in the manner of england colonising china | [13:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC | [13:20] |
mircea_popescu | it'll work, too. mexico has a better chance of ruling the us than either democrat or republican party in ten years. | [13:20] |
TheNewDeal | there is a booming mexican population within the us | [13:20] |
mircea_popescu | sure | [13:20] |
mircea_popescu | colonisation usually works that way. | [13:21] |
TheNewDeal | except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases | [13:21] |
mircea_popescu | i don't imagine biological shock is going to be much going forward | [13:22] |
mircea_popescu | we've had flight for a centuryby now | [13:22] |
TheNewDeal | I'm just saying it happened in mexico too | [13:22] |
TheNewDeal | knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through | [13:23] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [13:23] |
TheNewDeal | speaking of viruses and disease | [13:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0711999 = 0.2848 BTC [+] | [13:24] |
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TheNewDeal | I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. " | [13:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+] | [13:25] |
mircea_popescu | no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad | [13:25] |
TheNewDeal | what is Isis? | [13:26] |
mircea_popescu | the syrian expeditionary army in iraq | [13:26] |
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TheNewDeal | Islamic State Isomething Ssomething? | [13:27] |
mircea_popescu | Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians. | [13:27] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [13:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC | [13:27] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal "of iraq in syria" | [13:27] |
mircea_popescu | http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/10/1402409110353/Iraqis-fleeing-Mosul-011.jpg << People fleeing the violence queue at a checkpoint near Mosul. | [13:28] |
mircea_popescu | This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way | [13:28] |
Mats_cd03 | mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything | [13:29] |
mircea_popescu | the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails | [13:29] |
mircea_popescu | then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints" | [13:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+] | [13:29] |
mircea_popescu | Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight" | [13:29] |
Mats_cd03 | well yeah | [13:30] |
mircea_popescu | what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why" | [13:30] |
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mircea_popescu | but i mean look at tyhe picture | [13:31] |
mircea_popescu | cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl. | [13:32] |
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benkay | isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions? | [13:32] |
benkay | !up cipi | [13:32] |
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mircea_popescu | i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment. | [13:32] |
benkay | ;;gettrust cipi | [13:32] |
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benkay | what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment? | [13:33] |
mircea_popescu | benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap. | [13:33] |
mircea_popescu | benkay that nobody fucking owns title to anything anymore. | [13:33] |
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mircea_popescu | german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void" | [13:33] |
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Mats_cd03 | heh | [13:34] |
mircea_popescu | "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes. | [13:34] |
thestringpuller | havelock is becoming the spam of IPOs | [13:34] |
kakobrekla | !up CiPi | [13:34] |
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Mats_cd03 | when there's blood on the streets... | [13:34] |
Mats_cd03 | steal a tv | [13:34] |
mircea_popescu | you'd think they could have less humorous metaphores. | [13:34] |
thestringpuller | it's like every fucking day I get a new email "IPO AVAILABLE!" | [13:34] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller bitcoin available ? :D | [13:35] |
benkay | !up samson_ | [13:35] |
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Apocalyptic | thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying | [13:37] |
fluffypony | I eventually just blacklisted their domain | [13:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00229947 = 0.2299 BTC [+] | [13:37] |
fluffypony | so now I don't get any email from them | [13:37] |
pankkake | you can unsuscribe from IPO announcements. did it months ago | [13:38] |
mircea_popescu | but think ofall the opportunities! | [13:38] |
Apocalyptic | opportunities!!1! | [13:38] |
mircea_popescu | opporturdities | [13:39] |
pankkake | opportnudetities | [13:39] |
pankkake | no, that's on trilema | [13:39] |
mircea_popescu | this almost sounds like an improvement | [13:39] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/afc801fdf4033715a186c389bdc2b1fd/tumblr_n5ov5g3MW31r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | o boy i gotcher nao. | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://37.media.tumblr.com/06eb0d0ea9f889594956100fbfe37bdd/tumblr_n5ov4cgTN81r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:40] |
pankkake | give her something to eat, poor girl | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://37.media.tumblr.com/562a57e24c1f363fa54e8d256cf08218/tumblr_n5ov3jzavH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:40] |
pankkake | ew | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/98d97ff00e69651207f7f7265392ff0b/tumblr_n5ouxvMXqm1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:40] |
Duffer1 | :( | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | and you know what it's gonna be, and yet you can't look away | [13:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://37.media.tumblr.com/44c5cb790e9a599d6f3d87c6dafd4181/tumblr_n03226ov601r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/14e277ab71c17d39726de474524f808c/tumblr_mpa2frkYet1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:41] |
benkay | of ffs | [13:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://37.media.tumblr.com/a4795fff1483b83f61581ce15813a6f4/tumblr_mocdml62xy1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:41] |
kakobrekla | spam | [13:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72x46xj9l1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:41] |
benkay | !down mircea_popescu | [13:41] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck is that even | [13:41] |
mircea_popescu | like chest flap | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6lh931Iqg1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ns6XJBW1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gewxiBem1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:42] |
Mats_cd03 | fuck | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpif2hFC51r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:42] |
Mats_cd03 | why | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpid63QVC1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | i sold out to the usg! | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqmu7JZ1a1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:42] |
benkay | stahp | [13:42] |
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mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt2nmzazVH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | that should be enough for a day huh ? | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | com back tomorrow, same time !!1 | [13:43] |
pankkake | didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | well the'll be in the log | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | waiting for you | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | being ugly and waiting. waiting and being ulgy. | [13:43] |
benkay | makes one miss ozbot. | [13:44] |
mircea_popescu | decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ? | [13:46] |
jurov | if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished | [13:47] |
pankkake | I wish I knew how ozbot found the images | [13:47] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake just went through some selected tumblrs | [13:48] |
pankkake | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/09391f1561178e3112f44516be6dbe4b/tumblr_n6pbmpw0PE1s9dnijo1_1280.jpg on the homepage, what a horrible pic | [13:50] |
mircea_popescu | whats with all the black people ? | [13:52] |
mircea_popescu | is obama racist or something ? | [13:52] |
pankkake | my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him" | [13:53] |
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TheNewDeal | while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo | [13:54] |
TheNewDeal | the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally | [13:54] |
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pankkake | wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it? | [13:55] |
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pankkake | anyway, the classic: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/microsofts-ad-in-poland-p_n_269366.html | [13:55] |
assbot | Microsoft's Ad In Poland Photoshops Black Man, But Keeps Asian Man, White Woman | [13:55] |
TheNewDeal | actually, looks like it was before my time. http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/uwmadison.asp | [13:55] |
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TheNewDeal | pankkake niiice | [13:57] |
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mircea_popescu | davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks! | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | it's the muslims that are the pirates. | [20:11] |
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mircea_popescu | http://imgur.com/v3TgQCo | [20:16] |
assbot | imgur: the simple image sharer | [20:16] |
TheNewDeal | updating the diff change estimate to 6.8% | [20:16] |
mircea_popescu | why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist | [20:17] |
TheNewDeal | whats the sham betsite? | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | !up mgio | [20:18] |
-assbot- | You voiced mgio for 30 minutes. | [20:18] |
* | assbot gives voice to mgio | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot mgio | [20:18] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mgio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mgio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgio | Rated since: never | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | you will need ti get in assbot's l2 to voice yourself. | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal i dunno, a bevy of pretenders | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | they change about quarterly | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is |
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TheNewDeal | they the results of the proposition spam? | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is |
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mircea_popescu | i have no idea | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | !up joesmoe | [20:19] |
-assbot- | You voiced joesmoe for 30 minutes. | [20:19] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe | [20:19] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013 | [20:19] |
joesmoe | i can't seem to get assbot to like me, its being a real ass | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | same goes to you that i said to mgio : unless you're in assbot l2's trust you can't up yourself. | [20:20] |
joesmoe | ahhh | [20:20] |
joesmoe | i'm suprised i'm not | [20:20] |
joesmoe | i've done a few transactions on otc a while back | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | well, look at l1, talk to the people there. | [20:20] |
mgio | i see | [20:21] |
mgio | has anyone seen ukyo around recently? | [20:21] |
mgio | thanks for the help | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen Ukyo | [20:21] |
gribble | Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 34 @ 0.042 = 1.428 BTC | [20:23] |
mgio | not a good sign, oh well | [20:24] |
Apocalyptic | he's here right now | [20:24] |
joesmoe | lol | [20:24] |
TheNewDeal | weird | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | mgio what's your interest anyway, if it's not secret ? | [20:27] |
joesmoe | mgio is NSA, tracking Ukyo down | [20:28] |
mgio | ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is | [20:28] |
mgio | I'm probably more patient than I should be | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway. | [20:29] |
mike_c | what's the other option? | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | beat you. | [20:29] |
benkay | NONE THIS IS BITCOIN | [20:29] |
benkay | the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot. | [20:30] |
mgio | legal options, of course | [20:30] |
mike_c | mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4? | [20:30] |
benkay | ninjashogun's been harping at me again. anyone else catching his flak? | [20:30] |
mike_c | yes | [20:30] |
mike_c | wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have. | [20:31] |
mgio | he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | [20:31] | |
mgio | only way to get out of it if he was to declare personal bankrupcy | [20:31] |
mgio | in other words, sue him for the btc owed | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c what are you judging it for ? | [20:31] |
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benkay | !up AncientAliensBTC | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | !up AncientAliensBTC | [20:32] |
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-assbot- | You voiced AncientAliensBTC for another 30 minutes. | [20:32] |
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benkay | oh this will be good | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | !sideways benkay | [20:32] |
benkay | my btc come from aliens | [20:32] |
TheNewDeal | ooooh goat's milk - so milky | [20:32] |
benkay | i have an alien miner | [20:32] |
benkay | in a pyramid | [20:32] |
Apocalyptic | [20:32] | |
AncientAliensBTC | SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. | [20:33] |
TheNewDeal | surpised I haven't heard speculation that satoshi was an alien. | [20:33] |
benkay | yeah totally | [20:33] |
benkay | satoshi nakamoto is ancient aliens | [20:33] |
chetty | time traveler | [20:33] |
benkay | its the only sensible option | [20:33] |
benkay | nono der paradoxen | [20:33] |
benkay | aliens makes sense tho | [20:33] |
mike_c | mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic. | [20:34] |
Apocalyptic | AncientAliensBTC, hope you are Giorgio | [20:34] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c ok, but dollars in what sense ? | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | functionally, deductively, somehow there's a way | [20:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085432 = 3.5027 BTC [+] | [20:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00085661 = 7.0071 BTC [+] {2} | [20:36] |
AncientAliensBTC | More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | you seen mike_c article ? | [20:37] |
AncientAliensBTC | Nope | [20:37] |
TheNewDeal | Someone found the truth Re:I am ... by cshark @slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4562153&cid=45709487 | [20:38] |
assbot | Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Could Actually Be Group From Europe - Slashdot | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google btcalpha betting bitbet | [20:38] |
gribble | Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha: |
[20:38] |
mircea_popescu | it's a good site generally. | [20:38] |
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AncientAliensBTC | poured through trilema and btc alpha already :) | [20:39] |
mike_c | mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet. | [20:39] |
mike_c | i thought you might have some insight to measures worth understanding vs. ones that are just noise. | [20:40] |
Apocalyptic | "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ? | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base. | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | m3 is only relevant if you wish to pierce through that veil | [20:40] |
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mike_c | anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic? | [20:41] |
Apocalyptic | mike_c, do you distinguish between money supply and monetary base ? | [20:41] |
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mike_c | Apocalyptic: i am trying to :) | [20:42] |
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mircea_popescu | hm | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | on thetopic* | [20:43] |
mike_c | AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well. | [20:43] |
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mircea_popescu | !up dexX7 | [20:45] |
-assbot- | You voiced dexX7 without time-limit. | [20:45] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot dexX7 | [20:45] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dexX7: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013 | [20:45] |
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dexX7 | thanks | [20:45] |
dexX7 | i think i can up myself | [20:45] |
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mircea_popescu | aha yeah you can. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | bitbet mods suck | [20:47] |
pankkake | agreed | [20:47] |
AncientAliensBTC | How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side? | [20:48] |
pankkake | and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong | [20:48] |
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kakobrekla | AncientAliensBTC someone made an app to simulate that i think | [20:51] |
TheNewDeal | it's easy enough to calculate | [20:53] |
TheNewDeal | ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ? | [20:53] |
fluffypony | mircea_popescu: what was the bet? | [20:53] |
pankkake | fluffypony: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ | [20:54] |
assbot | BitBet Propositions | [20:54] |
TheNewDeal | top one MP to admit being wrong in #b-a | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu |
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fluffypony | heh | [20:55] |
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TheNewDeal | would be interested to see what % of bitbet is made into private bets | [21:03] |
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TheNewDeal | or are they quite rare? | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | well they're private. | [21:04] |
kakobrekla | actually they are public. | [21:05] |
TheNewDeal | how so? | [21:05] |
TheNewDeal | you can see it, but need a password to bet? | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | quantum | [21:05] |
kakobrekla | cause transparency. | [21:05] |
mike_c | have their been any? | [21:05] |
TheNewDeal | not concerned as much with the why | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | banany | [21:05] |
kakobrekla | correct TheNewDeal | [21:05] |
mike_c | *there | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | are | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | !b 12 | [21:06] |
assbot | Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HF6ZMY.txt ) | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | bah | [21:06] |
kakobrekla | mike_c yes, refused. | [21:06] |
TheNewDeal | could I bet both sides at the beginning as well? | [21:07] |
kakobrekla | no | [21:07] |
TheNewDeal | what! | [21:08] |
kakobrekla | im trying to save on the btc addresses! | [21:08] |
kakobrekla | you know they are finite, right. | [21:08] |
TheNewDeal | yes | [21:08] |
mircea_popescu | no they're not | [21:08] |
TheNewDeal | can't you reuse? | [21:08] |
kakobrekla | depends | [21:10] |
benkay | http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // waaaaaaaaaaaaat is this | [21:11] |
assbot | Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide? | [21:11] |
TheNewDeal | I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same | [21:11] |
kakobrekla | you can have it either way | [21:11] |
TheNewDeal | but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people? | [21:13] |
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kakobrekla | you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass | [21:14] |
TheNewDeal | ahhh | [21:15] |
TheNewDeal | same difference | [21:15] |
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mircea_popescu | yup | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | !up alex_c | [21:17] |
-assbot- | You voiced alex_c for 30 minutes. | [21:17] |
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mircea_popescu | anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ? | [21:18] |
TheNewDeal | perhaps. cooked in oven? | [21:18] |
TheNewDeal | I'm not confident enough with my fish via grill skills | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | nah silverstone half-wok | [21:19] |
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TheNewDeal | sure | [21:20] |
dignork | benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // i've seen similar hardware deployed by companies to monitor their employees traffic. Single point of failure. Awesome point to hack. | [21:21] |
assbot | Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide? | [21:21] |
[]bot | Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ | [21:21] |
Mats_cd03 | fucking ssl | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network—at extremely high performance—so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors—all through Blue Coat." | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | herp. | [21:24] |
benkay | snake oil? | [21:24] |
asciilifeform | ninjaspamz0r is back!? lol | [21:24] |
dignork | mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | the latter. | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously | [21:25] |
pankkake | corporate CA is the usual trick | [21:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.00085751 = 4.5002 BTC [+] {2} | [21:26] |
pankkake | can you even restrict CAs to tlds? | [21:26] |
chetty | [21:27] | |
mircea_popescu | aite i'll photo document soonish | [21:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0299 = 0.4186 BTC [+] | [21:28] |
fluffypony | ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you haven't seen it, this is by far the best flopping attempt in recent history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmnhusvWTc | [21:34] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [21:34] |
assbot | Amateur football at its best - YouTube | [21:34] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC | [21:36] |
fluffypony | something I said? | [21:37] |
fluffypony | :-P | [21:37] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 341 @ 0.00038033 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {3} | [21:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.03 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3} | [21:44] |
jurov | !t m f.mpif | [21:47] |
assbot | [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021721 / 0.00021725 (5601 shares, 1.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC) | [21:47] |
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davout | pankkake: "can you even restrict CAs to tlds?" <<< wat? | [21:49] |
pankkake | you could add a CA and have it validate only .mycompany | [21:51] |
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TheNewDeal | when did mpif start? was it april? | [21:52] |
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TheNewDeal | looks may | [21:53] |
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mike_c | started trading in may. it started operating a bit before that. | [21:54] |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing. | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | o.o | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | so go back to 10.04 | [21:58] |
pankkake | shift+pageup? | [21:58] |
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pankkake | no logger? or does upstart have one, like systemd? | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ? | [21:59] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: dmesg | less | [22:00] |
pankkake | http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-wins-best-virtual-currency-startup-award-europas/ | [22:00] |
assbot | Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas | [22:00] |
BingoBoingo | I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now | [22:00] |
mike_c | imagine if they had three cans | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | what's eruopas ? | [22:01] |
kakobrekla | jupiters moon? | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | i guess. | [22:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23211011 BTC [-] | [22:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23211016 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2} | [22:20] |
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BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities. | [22:28] |
TheNewDeal | yes the network is quite variable over short term | [22:30] |
davout | pankkake: ic | [22:30] |
davout | mircea_popescu: lol | [22:31] |
TheNewDeal | bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison | [22:33] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality... | [22:35] |
BingoBoingo | fluffypony: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/storm-damage-greatly-improves-name-of-tennessee-car-was-1589411382/+Tom_Ley | [22:35] |
assbot | Storm Damage Greatly Improves Name Of Tennessee Car Wash | [22:35] |
TheNewDeal | April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds | [22:35] |
kakobrekla | TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools | [22:36] |
TheNewDeal | I wouldn't dare attempt something along those lines | [22:37] |
TheNewDeal | plus I'm hoping for yes | [22:37] |
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TheNewDeal | we're nethashing at 89.9 PH, once we pass 91.1 we should be finding faster than 554 s/ block | [22:39] |
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fluffypony | BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original | [22:40] |
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BingoBoingo | It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash | [22:41] |
jurov | ass time is good time | [22:42] |
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mike_c | srsly BingoBoingo. those gawker sites are going to rot your brain. | [22:44] |
BingoBoingo | mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative. | [22:44] |
jurov | BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive? | [22:45] |
BingoBoingo | Slowly, hopefully it will take another century. | [22:45] |
jurov | http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy6.jpg it will end up like this | [22:46] |
mike_c | kakobrekla: sometimes shit gets accidentally converted to floats :) maff is hard. | [22:47] |
kakobrekla | :) | [22:47] |
fluffypony | jurov: what's the problem with that? | [22:48] |
fluffypony | I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die | [22:48] |
fluffypony | rich and full of body | [22:48] |
jurov | http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy23.jpg imma use this for coinbr maintenance page | [22:48] |
jurov | or rather 500 errors | [22:49] |
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jurov | !up belcher | [22:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00085874 = 2.9627 BTC [+] | [22:50] |
BingoBoingo | The monkeyfish would make a great error message. | [22:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00085836 = 5.751 BTC [-] {2} | [22:57] |
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jurov | http://forum.truecrypt.ch/t/poll-what-name-would-be-best/29 vote for the last :D | [22:59] |
assbot | Poll: What name would be best? - TCnext | [22:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01856559 = 0.13 BTC [-] | [22:59] |
jurov | they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid | [23:00] |
fluffypony | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1z5hnyKfBg | [23:05] |
fluffypony | lol | [23:05] |
assbot | This Girl Didn't Make Her Point So Well - YouTube | [23:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.06843266 = 17.1082 BTC [-] {19} | [23:15] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2050 @ 0.00006881 = 0.1411 BTC [+] {2} | [23:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2952 @ 0.00005895 = 0.174 BTC [-] {8} | [23:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.00085506 = 9.6707 BTC [-] {2} | [23:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5664 @ 0.00085432 = 4.8389 BTC [-] | [23:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 669 @ 0.00036106 = 0.2415 BTC [-] {3} | [23:30] |
Mats_cd03 | http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraqi-city-tikrit-falls-isil-fighters-2014611135333576799.html | [23:30] |
assbot | Iraq city of Tikrit falls to ISIL fighters - Middle East - Al Jazeera English | [23:30] |
Mats_cd03 | opec should reconsider this morning's news | [23:33] |
mike_c | bitbet: ISIL takes baghdad | [23:34] |
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BingoBoingo | Oh, a .net .split | [23:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-] | [23:46] |
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BingoBoingo | http://www.coindesk.com/expresscoin-launches-become-coinbase-unbanked/ | [23:50] |
assbot | Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk | [23:50] |
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asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: coinbase for the unbanked << when do we get mazerati for the unmazeratied? | [23:51] |
TheNewDeal | oooh dogecoin as well | [23:51] |
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TheNewDeal | I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become | [23:52] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Probably next week. I'll just need some fiberglass to duct tape to this lawnmower. | [23:52] |
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TheNewDeal | actually thats backwards | [23:52] |
TheNewDeal | it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade | [23:53] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets. | [23:54] |
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BingoBoingo | http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer#r=hp-lst | [23:55] |
assbot | With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek | [23:55] |
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jborkl | not really sure why though, not like it would make any difference? | [23:57] |
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