Forum logs for 10 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, it decays. but this is why the young apprentice must copy film he inherits, etc. [insert post-apocalyptic hypotheticals] [00:00]
nubbins` ahhhh [00:00]
nubbins` grandfather was a war photographer, he lost boxes of negs [00:00]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i know people who go into seizures just fgrom the smell [00:00]
nubbins` yipes [00:00]
asciilifeform just skip the nitrocellulose, none of this problem then [00:00]
mircea_popescu (there's this very distinctive vinegary scent of "o shit we just lost this warehousefull") [00:00]
nubbins` heh [00:00]
mircea_popescu sorta like the smell of "we burned down 5000 hard drives. hopefully ALL th customers kept good backups [00:01]
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mircea_popescu tech eyes just glaze over and stress vomiting ensues. [00:01]
mircea_popescu !up terp_ [00:01]
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terp_ hey whats up all [00:01]
asciilifeform very few things store as much (relatively) high fidelity data, and are at the same time as easy to duplicate, as film. [00:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually a cd stores more/better, but [00:02]
mircea_popescu there were some people looking into crystal doping storage [00:02]
nubbins` but bit rot isn't always noticeable until too late [00:02]
mircea_popescu seemed insanely info-dense [00:02]
nubbins` and while a few speckles on a microfiche aren't a problem, a few speckles on a dvd are [00:02]
mircea_popescu one write only, of course. [00:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well if you've microstored the blockchain, they are, yes. [00:03]
nubbins` a ha! [00:03]
mthreat claims "average annual durability of 99.999999999%" [00:03]
assbot AWS | Amazon Glacier - Online Backup Services & Cloud Backup Solutions [00:03]
asciilifeform error coding is a trivial problem - to any desired degree of redundancy [00:03]
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mthreat $0.01 per GB-month (although retrieval apparently is more expensive) [00:04]
mircea_popescu mthreat i don't recall, what's theirtotal data store ? yotabytes ? [00:04]
asciilifeform if you want something your grandchildren might be able to copy, even if they cannot read - chemical photography. - that, or ink... [00:05]
mthreat no idea, without googling [00:05]
mthreat bigger than the blockchain [00:05]
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mircea_popescu smickles: I have taken over the bitcoin corp in eve << how much shit was in the hangars in the end ? [00:05]
mircea_popescu mthreat well that for sure lol. fucking trilema is bigger than the blockchain [00:06]
mircea_popescu the melanogaster genome is bigger than the blockchain [00:06]
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mircea_popescu the average redditor's porn stash is bigger than the blockchain [00:06]
nubbins` these nuts are bigger than the blockchain [00:06]
mircea_popescu i could keep going [00:06]
fluffypony someone should tell usagi about that service [00:07]
mircea_popescu the nutpacking service ? [00:07]
pankkake glacier is basically powered down hard drives. cheaper if you don't mind the high latency [00:07]
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mircea_popescu so am i right in assuming the only career worthy of a man named brandon billings is... bill collection ? [00:08]
Namworld Well, it's always nice when you see someone with a last name befitting their career, at least. [00:10]
mircea_popescu princessnell: feminists have again come full circle: attacking a beauty queen for insuffiently supporting patriarchy << they're spinnin' so fast they could be weaving wool. [00:10]
mircea_popescu dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes. [00:11]
mircea_popescu in general, whenever one wants to deal with the world on one's own terms, one's required to take aditional training, and ALSO be talented. [00:11]
mircea_popescu otherwise, one can just learn to enjoy the process. [00:11]
chetty dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes.// I doubt it works out to halves [00:12]
mircea_popescu this has nothing to do with women. when i don't want to be treated like a fucking retarded tourist and charged 2 to 5 x everything, i learn and use the fucking local language. [00:12]
mircea_popescu when i don't want to be shocked by the mains power, i learn which bits to put my hands on. [00:12]
mircea_popescu when i want to make tea rather than coffee, i acquire the skill of putting the righjt fucking thing in the pot. [00:12]
mircea_popescu it has exactly zero to do with women specifically, and the whiny pretense to the contrary has only one indicaiton : [00:13]
mircea_popescu rape. [00:13]
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asciilifeform learn which bits to put my hands on << i find this - in essence - to be the most handy test of who is worth dealing with as human vs meat [00:15]
asciilifeform ;;google the camel has two humps [00:15]
gribble The camel has two humps (working title) - tof: ; The camel has two humps (working title) - University of Kent: ; Alan Kay on 'The Camel has Two Humps' - secretGeek: [00:15]
mike_c related aside: i got charged 2 to 3x for everything in romania and still felt like i was getting a deal [00:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c were you ? like what ? [00:16]
mike_c like at local convience store at 3am [00:17]
mircea_popescu yeabut i mean what you buy and what'd you pay [00:17]
mike_c hmm.. what i paid would tax the memory. but just like drinks and stuff. [00:18]
mircea_popescu was kinda curious what the actual factor was :p [00:18]
jurov can store 200kB/page..means 100k pages for today's blockchain [00:18]
mike_c but i distinctly remember comparing what i got charged to some of the posted prices in the store and realizing (and not minding) that he was bending me over. [00:18]
assbot Twibright Optar [00:18]
mircea_popescu a ok then lol [00:18]
mircea_popescu you should see the prices here. [00:18]
mircea_popescu carton of ciggaretes ? $19 [00:19]
mircea_popescu and actually good camels, as opposed to the fire-retardant, chemical blend crap they sell in the us/eu to justify the theory that smoking causes cancer [00:19]
mike_c taste decent? i know this guy that gets dirt cheap smokes in canada and they taste like you're smoking somebody else's cigarette after they were done with it. [00:19]
mthreat taxis in buenos aires are often cheaper than a bus ride in the US [00:19]
mircea_popescu smoking TOBACCO doesn't do you in quite as drastically as smoking contemporary ciggaretts [00:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00085781 = 35.9422 BTC [+] {2} [02:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah, they taste like the 80s [02:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00085631 = 29.714 BTC [-] {2} [02:18]
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mircea_popescu jurov: lol they will find lung and liver fossilies, bones long gone? << this is likely lol [02:21]
benkay asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever. [02:22]
benkay "everything is better in argentinga" [02:22]
benkay *argentina [02:22]
benkay gold tongue! [02:22]
benkay no wait silvertongue [02:22]
asciilifeform ;;google argentina sparkletina [02:23]
gribble sparkletina - Yahoo Answers: ; I need help creating a livingroom with a masculine flair like an ...: [02:23]
mircea_popescu btw, "coinbr requires btc addr to sign up i b'leev" << so what if it does ? once you're in you can trade with anyone else in. [02:23]
benkay yeah, jurov pointed out that it's not actually dependent on the bc [02:23]
benkay although i haven't found the signing functionality in bitc yet - mebbe Mats_cd03 makes that happen [02:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever. << this is true. [02:24]
mircea_popescu and women actually paint walls here, which is refreshing. [02:24]
mircea_popescu the us "scene" is like greenspun's ciclid association. all dorks. [02:25]
benkay the negros were pretty hxc back in the day, non? [02:25]
mircea_popescu but women ? [02:26]
asciilifeform 'sparkletina' is apparently a 'key word' used by various u.s. (?) folks who wish they could move there [02:26]
mircea_popescu benkay " let me know when it's realistic." << let me explain realistic. if there's 4k txn a second, which weigh a conservative 512 bytes each, at 512 seconds per block you get... [02:26]
asciilifeform (google fails again) [02:26]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 512 * 512 * 4000 [02:26]
gribble 1048576000 [02:27]
mircea_popescu surprise surprise, our friend mr 1gb block. [02:27]
mircea_popescu now, 4k txn / second is nothing if you srsly aspire to be visa. [02:27]
benkay so this implies a rather hard fork. [02:27]
asciilifeform i thought blockchain only aspires to be 'good delivery brick' vs. visa [02:28]
benkay and weren't you just harping on the upsides to a size-constrained block? more competition for limited resources? [02:28]
mircea_popescu it just implies "accessibility" is about as dumb a thing to think about re bitcoin as you know, speeding tickets for snails. [02:28]
asciilifeform betcha they'd invent speeding ticket if they could. [02:28]
mircea_popescu we really don't want, need or could use more poorfags/stupidfags involved [02:28]
asciilifeform 'yer doing 5mm/sec in a 4mm zone' [02:29]
mircea_popescu admitting against all evidence that there even exists a distinmction between stupid and poor. [02:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol. [02:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.00085705 = 52.7086 BTC [+] {3} [02:32]
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mircea_popescu so i just did a round of solid shopping. [02:37]
mircea_popescu gonna paste the list in here, anyone's welcome to guess either us, romania or buenos aires prices for the lot [02:37]
mircea_popescu then in an hour or so i tell teh truth. [02:37]
mircea_popescu here goes : [02:37]
mircea_popescu lb ground beef, 2lb nice beef steak, 6lb fresh ripe pineaple, half lb fresh figs, lb plums,1.5lb masdaam, swiss, smoked local cheese, lb cold cuts/fungs sausage,lb spinach, salad, 2lb ripe tomatoes, 1/2lb mushrooms, lb red peppers,4 ears young corn,2 artichokes,100g dry shitake,100g maraschino cherries, lb chickpeas,14oz heinz ketchup, half lb exceptionally grandiose aceitunas verdes, imported dijon 210g, cabfare 15kms [02:37]
mircea_popescu round trip. [02:37]
asciilifeform ~300 usd (if bought here.) [02:39]
asciilifeform ~400 if you want actual (vs. synthetic) foods. [02:39]
mircea_popescu o it's all actual [02:40]
mircea_popescu you should see this pineaple. [02:40]
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mircea_popescu Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes. [02:44]
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Namworld 300 USD? Sounds a bit too high. Even for Canada/US [02:46]
mircea_popescu mike_c: tapes are $20 / TB. can't beat that with a stick. << quite true. [02:47]
mike_c i could only guess at the cab ride. i'm a better cook than benkay but that's about it. [02:47]
mircea_popescu the blockchain is a bettercook than benkay [02:48]
Namworld Well 15km would be what, around 30 USD? Round-trip, 60USD? [02:48]
mircea_popescu no, 15km is the whole round trip. market is like 5ish miles away [02:48]
mthreat cab fare around 150 pesos, unless stuck in lots of traffic [02:49]
mircea_popescu this nice, farmer's market thing [02:49]
mircea_popescu mthreat you prolly know progreso [02:49]
mthreat not by name.. where's that one? [02:50]
mircea_popescu ;;google Mercado del Progreso [02:50]
gribble Mercado del Progreso | WhatsUpBuenosAires: ; Mercado del Progreso – Buenos Aires, Argentina | ; Caballito, Buenos Aires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [02:50]
Namworld ok, then... I'd put cost closer to 150-180 USD then... [02:50]
mircea_popescu Namworld where that, in quebec ? [02:50]
asciilifeform ignoring the question of whether these things ('as printed on the crate', rather than doctored substitutes) can even be had in usa. [02:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, the heinz is a direct import. [02:51]
mircea_popescu worchestershire (known here as "salsa inglesa") they were out of [02:51]
Namworld Well yes, I suppose. Canada/US should have similar prices all around. Although certain products will vary by region. [02:52]
mircea_popescu the notion that the us has the same prices all around boggles my mind. [02:52]
mircea_popescu all around kansas orwhat ?! [02:52]
mircea_popescu "This white paper seeks to put forth the economic and technical reasons that the digital tokens known as “AppCoins” can develop a value in the market and maintain their value over the long term, should their associated application gain adoption by users. " [02:54]
mircea_popescu summary "hello i would like to be indicted" [02:54]
Namworld They don't, but assuming a large amount of varied goods, probably rarely more difference than 10%-15% for the same stuff. [02:54]
Namworld Barring shopping at a place with higher quality products. The outlets would need to be similar in both place. [02:55]
mircea_popescu i guess you've never lived in san diego, manhattan, downtown dc etc. [02:55]
mircea_popescu but this is the highest quality products baby :) [02:56]
mircea_popescu the outlets can't be similar, because podunk doesn't have jewish delis. [02:56]
thestringpuller on data Andrew Auernheimer [02:57]
Namworld Hmm, I guess I should consider that. Downtown locations will be more expensive... [02:57]
thestringpuller dat* [02:57]
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mircea_popescu and speaking of jewish deli, you should have seen this butcher get the steak off the bone. [02:58]
mircea_popescu an artist, this man. [02:58]
mircea_popescu at it for 39 years, he said when asked. "and after that long time, you'd better be good at it or else you'd better had quit long ago" [02:59]
asciilifeform ;;google just lather that's all [02:59]
gribble Just Lather, That's All: ; Tellez, Just Lather, That's All: ; Just Lather, That's All - YouTube: [02:59]
thestringpuller wise words [02:59]
mike_c heh, you better be good at it or you won't have any fingers left [02:59]
asciilifeform ^ for some reason i always think of that piece when imagining Ar [02:59]
thestringpuller ;;calc 20000 * 365 [03:00]
gribble 7300000 [03:00]
mircea_popescu mike_c he held the thing by the fucking blade, too. a 12 inch knife sharp enough to slice beef on touch [03:00]
Namworld Well I'd sure like to know romania prices [03:00]
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Namworld So... do we get to know the total cost? [03:04]
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mircea_popescu heh, pansy barber. [03:08]
mircea_popescu Namworld yeah, soon enough [03:08]
mircea_popescu !up PeterGriffin [03:08]
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BingoBoingo Namworld: What, and let the people who death ray'd his new MOBO death ray the Pineapples!!! [03:08]
PeterGriffin what up moither fuckers [03:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00085612 = 4.2395 BTC [-] [03:09]
mircea_popescu PeterGriffin and who might you be? [03:09]
PeterGriffin god hates you if your not the non elect [03:09]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:10]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.26, Best ask: 648.86, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 648.86, 24 hour volume: 6803.40421945, 24 hour low: 639.93, 24 hour high: 659.0, 24 hour vwap: 0 [03:10]
Namworld BingoBoingo... what? [03:10]
PeterGriffin ;;help [03:10]
gribble The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: [03:10]
PeterGriffin !ops [03:10]
BingoBoingo Namworld: Did you miss the motherboard convo? [03:11]
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PeterGriffin i smell a ban coming [03:11]
Namworld I guess I have [03:11]
BingoBoingo PeterGriffin: Are you that CalvinKlein from Friday [03:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: motherboard << ? [03:12]
PeterGriffin calvinklein? no [03:12]
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assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [03:13]
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asciilifeform aha that one [03:13]
PeterGriffin hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii [03:13]
Mats_cd03 hiiii [03:14]
PeterGriffin god hates you if your not the non elect [03:14]
Mats_cd03 [03:15]
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PeterGriffin hi [03:15]
BingoBoingo !down penguirker [03:16]
PeterGriffin [03:16]
assbot The Sovereignty of God Versus Man-Made Religions, Hollywood Movies & Petty Emotionalism - YouTube [03:16]
BingoBoingo !down PeterGriffin [03:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-] [03:16]
Mats_cd03 lol [03:17]
Mats_cd03 i always laugh when i read comments about bitcoin on hn [03:18]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: for some reason i thought the subject was forbidden there - unless posted by authorized phoundation shill [03:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 400 @ 0.002 = 0.8 BTC [03:20]
mircea_popescu that's not very far from truth asciilifeform [03:21]
mircea_popescu anyway : romanian prices, ~280 lei. /3.2 = 87.5 usd. [03:21]
* asciilifeform has the honour of running a site hellbanned on hn. [03:22]
mircea_popescu argentinian prices, 980 pesos. /11.4 = 85.96 usd. [03:22]
mircea_popescu CHEAPER! [03:22]
asciilifeform (described here: [03:22]
assbot Loper OS » Tenser, Said the Censor [*] [03:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, you're NOT ONLY A WIKIPEDIA SPAMMER ARE YOU!!1 [03:23]
* asciilifeform unrepentant spam desperado [03:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9385 @ 0.00085551 = 8.029 BTC [-] [03:23]
mircea_popescu "Another common criticism of this practice has been that while in theory, it's a smart and effective way to discourage trolling, in actuality, the trolls and spammers are the first to become wise to this, and instead many innocent users get hurt, being unaware of what's going on." [03:24]
mircea_popescu in point of fact, hellbanning is exactly the opposite of this chan's +m [03:25]
mircea_popescu it has disadvantages in place of all the advantages, and no redeeming advantages whatsoever [03:25]
mircea_popescu other that being easy and cheap [03:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's also an inescapable fact of life for idiots who insist on maintaining appearance of 'democracy!' while keeping the signal to noise ratio within some bounds [03:26]
mircea_popescu myeah [03:26]
mircea_popescu who's pg ? [03:26]
mircea_popescu greenspun ? [03:26]
asciilifeform graham [03:26]
mircea_popescu oh lol [03:27]
asciilifeform (goes by pg on his site) [03:27]
mircea_popescu [03:28]
mircea_popescu pretty good png to haveactually. [03:28]
mircea_popescu o that's what that recode shit coming out of nowhere is [03:29]
asciilifeform ^ taken on an apple box dusted off for the occasion, purposefully [03:29]
mircea_popescu mossberg got fired [03:29]
asciilifeform lol [03:29]
mircea_popescu i peripherally noticed there's yet another one of these web platform shits. [03:29]
asciilifeform (to anyone in usa, 'mossberg' is a '12' caliber shotgun) [03:29]
mircea_popescu with conferences and errything [03:29]
mircea_popescu brb dinner. [03:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 60 @ 0.002 = 0.12 BTC [03:31]
asciilifeform [03:32]
assbot » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER [03:32]
asciilifeform ^ some interesting discussion re: how hn works [03:32]
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asciilifeform the auto-zap for nsa-related crap is especially entertaining (folks keep finding ways around it, mods play whackamole) [03:33]
asciilifeform [03:34]
assbot This comment defending Bitcoin got me hellbanned from "Hacker" News. : Bitcoin [03:34]
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asciilifeform the interesting thing isn't that pg & co. zap posts they aren't particularly fond of. rather more interesting: the elaborate gymnastics to maintain a pretense of being an uncensored forum. [03:35]
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asciilifeform 'reddit' may be a cesspool, but hn is a very special kind of echo hell. [03:36]
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benkay Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes. // y'all ain't even seen me in my heels yet [03:43]
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assbot Facebook, Zuckerberg Sued Over Directors Compensation - Bloomberg [04:02]
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thestringpuller yea [04:07]
thestringpuller fuck zuckerberg [04:07]
thestringpuller FUCK DAT GUY [04:07]
mircea_popescu assbot> » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER << all these important things i've missed out on while doing other things. [04:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait what ?! they don't discuss nsa ?~! [04:09]
asciilifeform all i can surmise is, pg would rather not. [04:09]
benkay distracts from fartup derpus [04:09]
mircea_popescu well, inasmuch as zombie is allowed to continue to exist, zombie is well advised to not be too critical of the decay process. [04:10]
mircea_popescu "Reddit seems to be one of the only places you can have true freedom of speech on the internet, and it thrives thanks to it. " [04:11]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha help me rwanda [04:11]
thestringpuller true freedom of speech? da fuq does that even mean? [04:12]
mircea_popescu like the true scotsman [04:12]
mircea_popescu speech that conforms to one's priors is freedom of speech [04:12]
mircea_popescu speech that brings forth the cognitive dissonance one's priors suffer at the hands of reality is trolling [04:13]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: walt mossberg?? [04:17]
mike_c i remember 15 years ago coworkers sweating his reviews. [04:18]
mircea_popescu yeah him [04:18]
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mike_c this could be like oprah leaving cable. he's not bigger than the journal. [04:20]
mircea_popescu dj fired him last year turns out, he started this recode thing january [04:20]
mircea_popescu he didnt leave, he got canned [04:20]
mircea_popescu prolly tried to resist a salary cut [04:20]
mike_c crazy. well, he'll find a paycheck somewhere. [04:20]
mircea_popescu doubt it. [04:22]
mircea_popescu he's running in the wrong track with the wrong dogs. [04:22]
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mircea_popescu "It was autodeaded, presumably because of my use of the term “circlejerk,” which HN is quite sensitive to." [04:23]
mircea_popescu aahahaha [04:23]
dub gay [04:23]
dub er, gah* [04:23]
mircea_popescu "I was recently met with a torrent of downvotes –nearly 100, might have actually crossed that– for poking fun at HN’s incessant we’re-not-reddit-we’re-much-more-sophisticated circlejerking" [04:24]
asciilifeform [04:24]
assbot Loper OS » Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth! [04:24]
mircea_popescu o wait, because basically both hn and reddit are owned by the same dead media conglomerate is it [04:24]
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dub the past caught up and is nutpunching me [04:24]
mircea_popescu so theykinda have a bit of an identity issue [04:24]
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mircea_popescu like the mercury/ford [04:25]
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mircea_popescu Shame on me for continually pointing out this community’s obsession over being the “glorious master race” of online discussion whilst poo-pooing the cesspools of “filthy casuals” like Reddit or, god forbid, Slashdot. [04:26]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wait, WHAT ? [04:26]
mircea_popescu hacker news seriously thinks they matter somehow ?! [04:26]
Namworld Pretty much no one knows about hacker news. [04:27]
mike_c fb95e6a6f3843ea7fe22e08d08b20ead70ee3181b363916439a7c93da9b89c0d [04:27]
mircea_popescu i suppose that doesn't detract [04:27]
asciilifeform for a turdmeister, wielding the banhammer isn't really satisfying unless he imagines that he's adding heretics to an all-important 'index librorum prohibitorum' [04:28]
mircea_popescu mike_c wassat ? [04:28]
mike_c a prediction for later. i want proof that i called it. [04:28]
thestringpuller Hacker News has always throught they mattered I though... [04:28]
asciilifeform removing the miscreants from the universe of Things That Matter [04:28]
thestringpuller thought [04:28]
penguirker New blog post: [04:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you wanna talk about nonsense items and the rotten paradigms they create and perpetuate ? teh banhammer. worse than risc. [04:28]
asciilifeform lol [04:28]
asciilifeform purely 'psychiatric' interest here. [04:29]
mircea_popescu worse than anything about c/c++ [04:29]
mircea_popescu pure and simple, at some point in whatever, 1995, some derp with a blog/forum/platform came up with the idea of BANNING [04:29]
mircea_popescu and it's been sticking ever since, irrespective of how stupid it is. [04:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c now im curious [04:30]
mike_c i am predicting your announcement. [04:30]
mircea_popescu holy shit. [04:30]
mircea_popescu i'll bet you you aren't. [04:30]
asciilifeform there was to be an announcement ? [04:30]
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mike_c hm, ok, i'll make a small wager. i'm not super-confident, but i think i've got it. [04:31]
mircea_popescu can be a bet for charity. whole bet goes to b-a donation address [04:31]
mike_c sounds good [04:31]
mike_c 0.5 btc? [04:31]
mircea_popescu sure. [04:31]
mircea_popescu so if you predicted it i send kako a btc, if not you do ? [04:32]
mike_c deal [04:32]
thestringpuller LOL [04:32]
mircea_popescu pretty cool way to run a bet i say [04:33]
thestringpuller how do we know you didn't change the date of the announcement [04:33]
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mircea_popescu who's we [04:33]
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dub his nick isn't inaba or Luke-Jr? [04:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I wonder why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium. [04:35]
mircea_popescu [04:36]
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mircea_popescu "But in the absence of some system of law, the tiny minority of users out to do harm – intentionally or not – eventually drive out all the civil community members, leaving behind a lawless, chaotic badland." [04:38]
mircea_popescu this is such an amusing thing, because of all the utterly meaningless forums out there pretending to be communities and deluding themselves as to their own relevancy, not a single one would admit it's a failure [04:38]
mircea_popescu yet each and every one will pass this bit of "oh, leaving behind the broken spot" [04:38]
mircea_popescu nobody can point to such a broken spot on the interwebs, but nevertheless the apparent abundance of such is why every lemming wears plaid. [04:39]
thestringpuller When does something matter? [04:40]
asciilifeform announcement << i'll take the shot. mp to sell warehouses in Ar for btc. [04:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [04:41]
dub the fibers can easily be made fuzz. Being crushed and shortened in unit length, staple tends to become fly or dusts with ease and dispersed into atmosphere.Their Carbon Fiber users are advised to be careful not to dispose naked skins to the fibers and to take deliberate dusts cleaning measures naked skins. [04:41]
dub thank you japan [04:41]
asciilifeform dub: the infamous 'pencil in space capsule' problem [04:41]
mircea_popescu dub the fuzz is after you now ? [04:41]
asciilifeform [04:42]
assbot Join the Fuzz - We Love the Violence - YouTube [04:42]
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BingoBoingo Is there a link to when this announcement was announced? [04:43]
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mircea_popescu "That said, every community is different. I've personally talked to people in charge of large online communities – ones you probably participate in every day – and part of the reason those communities haven't broken down into utter chaos by now is because they secretly hellban and slowban their most problematic users. " [04:45]
mircea_popescu "i have talked to some people i won't name about some things i won't name but take my word on it that it's relevant, and they said my stupidity is entirely correct" [04:46]
BingoBoingo WTF is a slowban [04:46]
mircea_popescu how do these idiots live with themselves ? [04:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo apparently make your pages load slowly because whoever cares about your site sucking [04:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: slowban << poor site performance emulated for a very special someone [04:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, gotta remember that Jeff Atwood is pretty fucking stupid. [04:47]
BingoBoingo What the fuck. Someone provokes annoyance in good faith and the response is now to lie and cover yourself in shit so they don't want to be seen around you? [04:48]
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mircea_popescu yup [04:49]
mircea_popescu this dovetails neatly with "women don't have to do anything in particular to not get fucked" [04:49]
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BingoBoingo I have to wonder who the original autist was to come up with the idea of a slowban. [04:50]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik it was one of pg's flunkies. [04:50]
asciilifeform perhaps altman. [04:50]
asciilifeform (his vizier) [04:51]
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BingoBoingo This has to be some clinically defective reasoning. [04:51]
midnightmagic what's a hellban? [04:51]
asciilifeform midnightmagic: hellban << victim thinks his posts show. [04:52]
asciilifeform he logs out - they're gone. [04:52]
midnightmagic oh yeah. Like +z. I love +z. [04:52]
dub aka /shun [04:52]
dub ircd ignores msgs, client cant tell [04:53]
mircea_popescu dub actually the material i've seen included a lot of derping about how fucking horrible and psychologically blabla that is. [04:53]
mircea_popescu so i guess the kids in charge have some deep seated issues with this sort of passive-agressive nonsense. [04:53]
midnightmagic sounds like new-age nonsense to me [04:54]
dub safest way to deal with some kinds of damage [04:54]
midnightmagic yeah, unfortunately :-/ [04:55]
mircea_popescu dub so the guy you're "shunning" twists your nipples. [04:55]
mircea_popescu do you keep at it or what. [04:55]
mircea_popescu it's utterly dependent on you living in a boring environment. or in other words, if shunning works, your life sucks. [04:55]
mircea_popescu "enjoyment of the first look you take at a comment page is prioritized over active participation. That's great if you're trying to attach ads to pictures of cats, but if you're trying to have a real conversation, it just gets in the way. I can read, I don't need an algorithm to tell me which comments are notable and which ones are junk. If I see a troll post on any other site, I don't seize up and have an aneurism, I j [04:56]
mircea_popescu ust scroll past it. [04:56]
mircea_popescu I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I can easily follow 50+ page PHPbb threads that drag on for months or even years, or 4chan threads with hundreds of posts and more on the way every time you refresh, but a small conversation (in reality; I considered it huge by my HN standards) I had on here the other day with about 10 comments or so made my head spin. I wrote half the posts and it was still hard to follow! O [04:56]
mircea_popescu h, and of course, no one but the people I responded to will ever read the things I wrote hours after the thread dropped off the front page." [04:56]
mircea_popescu wow look at that : they actually understand what's wrong with the ~others~ [04:56]
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mircea_popescu The Reddit discussion model is completely oriented towards providing the fast food of news commentary, where your << missing 1st line [04:57]
dub life is not always a forum [04:57]
mircea_popescu exactly. [04:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, fun to see people on these very successful sites are lively debating solved problems in fain, years ago. makes my asshole swell. [05:00]
asciilifeform ;;google funarg problem [05:01]
gribble Funarg problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The FUNARG Problem Explained - Software Preservation Group: ; FUNARG Problem - DSpace@MIT: [05:01]
asciilifeform ^ a problem gleefully re-introduced by quite a few 'language of the day!' designers [05:02]
asciilifeform this kind of thing is the norm in techno-derpatronics [05:02]
asciilifeform dig up a (solved) problem (or, 'problem'), peddle solution (or 'solution'), ???, profit [05:02]
thestringpuller refreshing trilema hoping to see an announcement #assetslife [05:03]
thestringpuller but I guess with pankkake 's bot that's not necessary anymore [05:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform le suck. [05:03]
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asciilifeform this is sometimes done in academia. as described in an infamous crackpot essay, 'stealing the chaos': [05:06]
asciilifeform [05:06]
assbot Beware of Stephen J. Gould - Less Wrong [05:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.025001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2} [05:06]
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asciilifeform (lw is another reddit clone that makes hn, etc. look sane. inhabited by folks terrified of robo-apocalypse. i was drummed out of lw as a 'future genocidal criminal' for... considering resurrecting doug lenat's 'eurisko.') [05:07]
mircea_popescu hm [05:08]
mircea_popescu just how many of these social media sites did you get banned from ? [05:08]
asciilifeform tbh, i wasn't properly banned from any of them. [05:08]
asciilifeform login still functions [05:08]
asciilifeform ban isn't quite the word here [05:09]
BingoBoingo Kulakified? [05:09]
asciilifeform when you merit your own line of code in some turdmeister's db handler, but not banned... what do we call this. [05:09]
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mircea_popescu banned lol [05:11]
asciilifeform in retrospect, being cast ashore from the shit-ocean was astonishingly good fortune. [05:12]
asciilifeform think how many potentially-interesting folks are floating there still. [05:12]
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TheNewDeal why thank you assbot [05:13]
mircea_popescu prolly. [05:13]
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mircea_popescu well i guess with all teh encouragement ima make more travel log posts [05:22]
TheNewDeal do it [05:23]
TheNewDeal loved the mango and ginger breakfast picture as well [05:23]
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mircea_popescu it turns out to be a pretty great breakfast! [05:28]
mike_c best part of winning a bitbet: gloating in the comments. [05:29]
TheNewDeal I love mango and I love ginger, but I haven't had the combination. Sounds like an indian dish to me [05:29]
TheNewDeal mike_c link? [05:29]
mike_c [05:30]
assbot BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago [05:30]
TheNewDeal aha saw it [05:30]
TheNewDeal can't believe 7 btc was laid down on that bet [05:31]
TheNewDeal usually the sports ones are sparse [05:31]
mircea_popescu mike_c btw, the coffee shop i happenedto stop for my pasteleria today (which dubs itself as a "local de encuentro" and during the night time doubles as a whorehouse) just happened to run the match on a large screen [05:31]
TheNewDeal and females tennis too.. [05:31]
mircea_popescu i caught it starting with the 4-6 6-7 1-0 moment [05:31]
mircea_popescu that little shit gave sharapova a good run for her tits. [05:31]
TheNewDeal hahaha [05:32]
mircea_popescu at some point the russian fowled 5 serves in a row [05:32]
BingoBoingo !b 9 [05:32]
assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [05:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0251 = 0.251 BTC [+] [05:40]
mike_c hah, yeah, i'm glad i didn't watch it. too much of a sweat. [05:40]
TheNewDeal I'm very sad I didn't get to see the sexy Sharapova in action :( [05:41]
mircea_popescu nice legs yeah [05:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227057 BTC [-] [05:46]
TheNewDeal bc,stats [05:47]
TheNewDeal updating TheNewDeal's prediction to 6.3% [05:49]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [05:49]
gribble Current Blocks: 305040 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1391 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12115562214.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.0537 [05:49]
mircea_popescu but what's the point/use for a changing prediction ? [05:50]
TheNewDeal gribble does it! [05:50]
mircea_popescu lolk [05:51]
TheNewDeal Yesterday was 4.8, 6/7 was 6.9% [05:53]
TheNewDeal gribble was guessing like 0% when I was guessing around 5 [05:53]
TheNewDeal I play around with my model a little bit and try to make it look realist. Gribble and bitcoinwisdom are pretty much looking at something like the last 500 or 1000 blocks and predicting off that [05:55]
TheNewDeal +ic [05:55]
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TheNewDeal will bitbet start reporting the results of their bets in the manner I was talking about yesterday? [05:59]
TheNewDeal Like Gain:X, Total Resolved: Y, Pending: Z [05:59]
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mircea_popescu i think your talking about bitbet is incidental to what it'll actually do. [06:00]
TheNewDeal well of course [06:01]
TheNewDeal but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets [06:01]
TheNewDeal the way its reported now is just obscure [06:02]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: TheNewDeal Were you trying to trade Bastille Day bet Exposure yesterday? [06:02]
TheNewDeal yes [06:03]
TheNewDeal I have bets on Yes , and I would still like to trade exposure [06:03]
TheNewDeal bitcoinpete picked up a mere .1 BTC when I am looking for more [06:03]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: How do these arrangements work? Suppose I wanted to trade some of my no for your yes, how do we price these? [06:04]
TheNewDeal oh I don [06:04]
TheNewDeal I don't want any of your no :D [06:04]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Supposed you did, because we were both looking to hedge. How would this trade work? [06:05]
TheNewDeal the trade would work like this [06:05]
TheNewDeal you would give a amount, say 1 BTC, and we would tack on a timeweight to it [06:05]
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TheNewDeal so you would send me 1 btc, and receive X timeweight [06:06]
TheNewDeal that I would pay out to your address [06:06]
TheNewDeal does that make any sense? [06:07]
TheNewDeal timeweight would be agreed upon beforehand [06:07]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Sure. That's about half of the question's answer. What of instead of BTC for positions the trade was positions for positions? [06:08]
TheNewDeal thats possible. I have 5.6 total BTC in for a timeweight of ~197,000. Care to share what you're trying to trade? [06:09]
mircea_popescu but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets << you know investors can readily revbiew this as they're all published [06:09]
mircea_popescu so far the house is ahead, mike_c did the math recently. [06:09]
mircea_popescu !up pgrewr [06:09]
-assbot- You voiced pgrewr for 30 minutes. [06:09]
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mike_c well, house bets are ahead. the house isn't because it gives away half the bets. [06:10]
TheNewDeal MP, but recently they have upped the amounts they bet, by a large amoutn [06:10]
TheNewDeal correct? [06:10]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal not afaik [06:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c right. [06:10]
TheNewDeal hmmm I'm going to have to do some research. thought I read something that said they were upping the amount of BTC bet [06:11]
TheNewDeal perhaps it was around the time MPIF came about? [06:11]
pgrewr homosexuals should be put to death [06:12]
mircea_popescu always been .1 [06:12]
mircea_popescu tis in th faq [06:12]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Well, let's not reveal the particular bet since we are miming what making such a deal would look like and Assume I have this position And would like to swap half of the balance for a favorably priced yes position. [06:12]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.84 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 3 days 20 hours | weight: 2`243 (100`000 to 1) [06:12]
BingoBoingo How do we go about pricing No at a weight TheNewDeal versus yes at a weight? [06:13]
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TheNewDeal well it wouldn't really make too much sense for me financially, unless you had much more timeweight [06:14]
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TheNewDeal i take that back [06:15]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: It could though which is why the pricing of these things and how to do it is so important. [06:15]
TheNewDeal let me do a quick calculation [06:15]
mircea_popescu !up Hoodmin [06:15]
-assbot- You voiced Hoodmin for 30 minutes. [06:15]
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Hoodmin Evenin coiners [06:17]
BingoBoingo Evening Hoodmin [06:17]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'm curious, are you running [06:19]
asciilifeform pgrewr: << adapt for your application [06:19]
assbot Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves - Telegraph [06:19]
TheNewDeal no [06:19]
TheNewDeal what is [06:19]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Do you have a more interesting tool for calculating Bitbet outcomes then? [06:20]
TheNewDeal i use excel or simply Calculator [06:21]
mike_c i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. [06:21]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: [06:21]
assbot Is buggy? | [06:21]
TheNewDeal ;;calc 16.3/678*112.8+.99*1 [06:21]
gribble 3.70185840708 [06:21]
TheNewDeal not too hard [06:22]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: It's a simple tool. You past in the lines from bitbet and get the whole thing laid out. [06:22]
mike_c old skool. it should grab the json. [06:22]
mike_c blech. i feel another bitbet blog post coming on. [06:22]
BingoBoingo Well, it is a relic of BitBet's earlier days [06:22]
TheNewDeal ill definitely check it out [06:23]
TheNewDeal but it's easy enough for me to quickly find the payout of one or two bets [06:23]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Yeah, but I usually like to survey the whole field at once. Creates a real appreciation of time weight [06:24]
TheNewDeal touche [06:24]
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BingoBoingo Helps you identify interesting bettors as well [06:25]
TheNewDeal besides the point [06:26]
TheNewDeal the maximum i stand to make on my yes prop is 1.25 btc with 5.6 bet (assuming no more NO bets come) [06:26]
TheNewDeal if I purchased your whole position, I would make 3.78% on yes, or lose 28.8 percent [06:28]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Assume we are hedgine and trading smaller amounts. Who would we price deciBitcoin portions of each position. [06:29]
TheNewDeal let's say I were to send you a fraction of a BTC (let's say a half) on the no bet. Would you consider giving me a larger timeweight than what you have bet at? [06:29]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'd actually be more interested in swapping a fraction of the no for a fraction of the Yes. If we are trading Bitcoin against the position... I'd maybe be interested in offering a bit of extra timeweight. [06:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium << Ga is typically found in bauxite, so it had to wait for cheap Al refinement. [06:33]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists. [06:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in principle, it would make a pretty good 'low tech testable' precious metal. simply determine melting point. [06:35]
penguirker New blog post: [06:35]
TheNewDeal My position will currently pay out 1.22 per 1 invested, but I have like 4X more invested, so it doesn't make much sense to buy a small fraction [06:35]
BingoBoingo Indeed more testable. [06:36]
BingoBoingo ;;calc 3.70185840708*0.5 [06:39]
gribble 1.85092920354 [06:39]
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thestringpuller !mpif [06:47]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.13 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+] [06:47]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'm thinking rather than adjusting time weight which could create a bit of a pickle if a lot of large late betting acticity swoops in we consider the matter of pricing a 0.5 stake in terms of the premium or discount applied to 0.5 BTC to purchase it. [06:48]
[]bot Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 474.9239018 BTC. Current weight: 45,777. [06:48]
[]bot Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" Odds: 42(Y):58(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.25076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,957. [06:48]
TheNewDeal first off, I don't think there will be any late bettors here [06:49]
TheNewDeal secondly, if there are, it will only help my position [06:49]
TheNewDeal the yes pays less than half a percent at 1 btc [06:49]
BingoBoingo No one ever anticipates snackman... [06:50]
cazalla save money in australia for longer than 3 years and you get your shit ganked [06:50]
assbot Pensioners lose savings in government cash grab [06:50]
TheNewDeal we could definitely swap, but I don't see how it would help you out [06:50]
TheNewDeal yes timeweight pays out not so much [06:51]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: So for 0.5 BTC of my no stake you would pay 0.? BTC [06:52]
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TheNewDeal that doesn't work out for me [06:54]
BingoBoingo Ah, so what works again? You want to pay ? for a stake with the timeweight adjusted upwards? Wouldn't it be easier to adjust the price paid or the portion of the stake purchased? [06:55]
TheNewDeal let me go over an example scenario [06:55]
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TheNewDeal if I were to purchase .33 BTC at 30K timeweight [06:55]
TheNewDeal for me I would be winning 10% on my investment of 5.9 BTC on YES, or returning 27% of that investment on no [06:56]
TheNewDeal you on the other hand, would bring in 1.06 BTC for an investment of (1-.33 = .67 btc) [06:57]
TheNewDeal for NO [06:57]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re: metals: in practice, metals for which demand is almost entirely industrial make poor 'trading sardines' [07:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see kodak/silver relationship for example. [07:00]
TheNewDeal I've got to go get some food before the bar closes [07:01]
TheNewDeal ill be back in an hour or so [07:01]
BingoBoingo And lets say at 16`367 you spent .33 to purchase 0.5, 0.6 or whatever on No (In case miners betting late on No make covering the offer at a higher weight a challenge, Spz. No becomes obvious and a member of the math challenged drops 1000 BTC on No) [07:01]
TheNewDeal No is most definitely not obvious [07:02]
TheNewDeal Yes is the most likely scenario [07:02]
BingoBoingo Ah, it closes in ~4 days. [07:03]
TheNewDeal close doesn't really matter to us [07:03]
TheNewDeal i dont think bets are going to be made [07:03]
BingoBoingo Well it keeps people from betting when the outcome might be obvious. [07:03]
TheNewDeal even if they are made, they are not going to be large ones [07:03]
BingoBoingo I'll think on this a bit. [07:04]
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TheNewDeal sounds good [07:05]
thestringpuller COOKIES [07:09]
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smickles mircea_popescu: over 4bill in assets which are easily valued [07:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00085527 = 0.5987 BTC [+] [07:18]
smickles easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs [07:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 672 @ 0.00085513 = 0.5746 BTC [-] [07:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.072075 = 0.2883 BTC [-] {2} [08:25]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Here's the present output from on the Bastille Day Bet [08:26]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I think something about the math you presented for your example is wrong. [08:29]
BingoBoingo As an example of fresh bet of .33 BTC on No returns the line [ 52] No 30000 0.33000000 1.93420100 1.60420100 covering 32.8% of your 5.9 BTC stake. [08:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12327 @ 0.00085485 = 10.5377 BTC [+] {3} [08:37]
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mircea_popescu "The biggest reason why the bug hasn’t been found for over 16 years is that code reviews were insufficient, especially from experts who had experiences with TLS/SSL implementation. " [16:56]
mircea_popescu fucking joke. [16:56]
pankkake mapofcoins is missing Bernankoin :( how do I submit? [16:57]
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mircea_popescu madofcoins ? [16:59]
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pankkake madoffcoins? [17:00]
mircea_popescu "allows man-in-the-middle attackers to trigger use of a zero-length master key" [17:00]
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mircea_popescu you know, when i said the power rangers are too stupid to be on the internet and they said i'm just being evil, because they're about as smart as everyone else derping about "open source software" we were BOTH right [17:01]
mircea_popescu i didn't realise this at the time. [17:01]
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ThickAsThieves <+thestringpuller> The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors... //// Circle can eat their lunch if they play their cards right - things will start getting interesting when you can buy for zero fees [17:02]
mircea_popescu it's unavoidable. commodified market, players are of no particular valu [17:03]
mircea_popescu e [17:03]
mike_c zero fees = fees built into exchange rate. [17:06]
Mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats [17:06]
gribble Current Blocks: 305122 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1309 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12339676924.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.96 [17:06]
mircea_popescu mike_c how so ? [17:06]
mike_c circle does as much as it can to hide the exchange rate when you buy (from watching video) [17:06]
jurov um a dude from wrote to me that some company named VOLKAN Tech Ltd. wants to register zillion coinbr.TLD domains [17:06]
jurov whether we authorized it [17:06]
mike_c and i'm sure they just a few points off for their own pockets. [17:07]
jurov i replied that no [17:07]
mircea_popescu jurov classical spam [17:07]
mike_c *shave [17:07]
jurov and he replied "okay, you should register them yourself" [17:07]
jurov so, not legit you say [17:07]
mircea_popescu mike_c trying to be paypal. except they won't be able to [17:07]
mircea_popescu paypal has this thing where govts prosecute its competition [17:07]
mike_c jurov: no. dime a dozen scam. i throw those out on a weekly basis [17:07]
mircea_popescu jurov one of the more common finds when i review my spamtraps [17:08]
mike_c i like better the scam where they just send you a bill [17:08]
mike_c in the hopes that a clueless worker bee will pay it. [17:08]
jurov ok, i got such for first time [17:08]
mircea_popescu mike_c kinda how circle's shaving points work [17:09]
mircea_popescu in the hopes a clueless buyer will just think a ok it's what itis [17:09]
mike_c yes [17:09]
mike_c zero fees! [17:09]
pankkake [17:10]
mike_c anybody in here have an account and try it out? [17:10]
assbot GoDaddy Files For $100 Million IPO - Slashdot [17:10]
mircea_popescu wait what ? [17:10]
mircea_popescu godaddy 100mn after whatsapp 20bn ? are they insane ? [17:10]
mircea_popescu was it100bn ? [17:10]
pankkake GoDaddy hasn't made a profit since 2009. The company lost $279 million in 2012. It bled another $200 million last year. This year doesn't look much better, with another $51 million lost in the first quarter [17:10]
pankkake so, they're the twitter of domains [17:10]
los_pantalones how does godaddy lose money ? [17:11]
los_pantalones wtf [17:11]
mike_c that might be raising $100m, not the valuation [17:11]
mike_c "The company said it would raise $100 million, but that is just a placeholder until closer to the offering date." [17:12]
xmj godaddy throws money away on superbowls [17:13]
los_pantalones but that's maybe 10mm [17:13]
ThickAsThieves ticker should be GOD Y [17:13]
asciilifeform jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury << there's the beauty. melting point. no way to fake Ga melting point and have anything like the density. [17:14]
asciilifeform jurov: and it can stay in the bottle. [17:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02854545 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2} [17:14]
jurov you can't easily measure the volume while it's inside the bottle [17:14]
mircea_popescu pankkake more of this fudingyou learned on btc forum i see. [17:15]
asciilifeform jurov: s/bottle/ampoule (full ampoule) [17:15]
asciilifeform measure like archimedes [17:15]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones by hiring uglychicks to weart its tshirt ? [17:15]
xmj waaat [17:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you sur e ? eutectic is a thing [17:17]
jurov if it's full one needs to solve the thermal expansion problem and still., also measuring the wall thickness accurately [17:17]
mircea_popescu jurov a glass bottle can't be full of a metal ffs. [17:17]
jurov too many things that can go bad.. i'm keeping my bricks, thanks [17:18]
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jurov if you can design "datskovskiy's container" that solves all of above properly, maybe that will be the thing you'll be remembered for [17:19]
jurov not for some computer science masturbation [17:20]
jurov ;) [17:20]
asciilifeform lol [17:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you can find me a eutectic solder that melts anywhere near 30C (but not liquid at room temp like Hg) i'll buy it right now. [17:20]
asciilifeform many useful applications. [17:20]
mircea_popescu but maybe the reason that ive not found it is that your buying doesn't compare with 8 millenia of trying to defraud the currency [17:21]
asciilifeform lol! [17:21]
asciilifeform there was something like wood's metal that did 80, i think [17:21]
asciilifeform at any rate, Hg has >2x the density of Ga. and the latter, unlike Hg, won't boil on a gas flame. [17:24]
asciilifeform so plenty of simple tests, once you pick a suitable container. [17:24]
jurov there are other amalgams not suitable as solder, but for faking gallium in closed container something can be certainly though of [17:24]
jurov *thought [17:24]
jurov just to remind, the whole discussion started about ease of handling/verification vs. gold/silver bricks [17:25]
asciilifeform the only reason no one would even try this crap is the point mentioned earlier (100% of present-day use is industrial, mostly as GaAs semiconductor, fluctuating demand) [17:25]
mircea_popescu more's the point, you've not had the benefit of manyyear's worth of having thought about what the people trying to fake it might have thought about [17:25]
mircea_popescu i think this problem is often misrepresented by all the young cocks starting new things. [17:26]
asciilifeform that's actually the part that intrigues me - how do we fake gallium [17:26]
asciilifeform because i could really use some [17:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the definityion of a fake is not being useful. [17:26]
asciilifeform well, 'fake' in this case is, achieve the melting point, with a well-conductive substance [17:27]
asciilifeform (incidentally ampoule could include electrodes for testing conductivity [17:27]
asciilifeform ) [17:27]
jurov now that's something [17:28]
mircea_popescu prolly best so far, because you can measure resistance etc [17:28]
asciilifeform but in that case the ampoule could not be full. you must be able to tilt it, to expose electrode (perhaps a scammer simply placed a resistor there) [17:28]
asciilifeform of course, resistor could be trivially exposed with frequency sweep / bode plot (skin effect on Ga blob != impedence of ordinary resistor) [17:29]
jurov also one needs to verify there is no cavity or tungsten bar placed in the middle [17:29]
asciilifeform lol! jurov, look at periodic table [17:29]
asciilifeform but yes, people would at least try. so, contents of flask must pour freely. [17:30]
asciilifeform verify that liquid. [17:30]
asciilifeform ideal container would probably be a toroid, half-empty [17:31]
mircea_popescu you cant really fake metal to electrodes [17:31]
mircea_popescu but yes a ring of ga. [17:31]
mircea_popescu sounds pretty cool actually [17:32]
asciilifeform with Au probes [17:32]
asciilifeform incidentally! [17:32]
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asciilifeform you could weigh the metal purely electronically [17:32]
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asciilifeform if you have two electrodes, put a current through it, while surrounded by electromagnet, it will move x cm up the ring in response to Y amps... [17:33]
davout thestringpuller: "France sounds annoying." <<< wait until you hear french people [17:33]
asciilifeform why do any of this - is 'exercise for alert reader' of course. [17:33]
mircea_popescu more like putridly rich reader. [17:34]
asciilifeform [17:36]
assbot One or Two Ounces of Contaminated Gallium Liquid Metal Read | eBay [17:36]
asciilifeform anyone who remembers school chemistry will understand that impurities lower melting point [17:36]
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asciilifeform Ga is ~250 usd/kg, atm [17:39]
asciilifeform (small supply + small demand) [17:39]
mircea_popescu hm. [17:40]
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chetty [17:41]
assbot New York Man Faces Criminal Charges For $17 Million Ponzi Scheme - Ponzitracker - Ponzitracker [17:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c how about a btc fund that buys gallium ? :D [17:41]
asciilifeform we could use Nd magnets as coin... [17:41]
asciilifeform try fake Nd magnet. [17:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799989 BTC [+] [17:42]
mircea_popescu maybe you should be head of mint. [17:43]
asciilifeform (anyone seriously thinking about bidding up Ga should remember that it is a strategic metal - radar sets live and die by GaAs diodes. so anyone who fucks with the supply is liable to Can Also Have Problems) [17:43]
mike_c mircea_popescu: lol. i'm in! [17:45]
mike_c honestly i would rather see a btc investment that bought commodities rather than real estate. with the REITS I feel like people are expecting a BTC return. no one would think that with a commodity fund (similar to x.eur). [17:47]
mike_c !t h rent [17:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00429980 / 0.00441359 / 0.00449890 (14 shares, 0.06179020 BTC), 7D: 0.00351101 / 0.0038605 / 0.00469990 (1234 shares, 4.76386086 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00524007 / 0.00710000 (6290 shares, 32.96001124 BTC) [17:48]
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mike_c wow, bit of a rebound [17:48]
mike_c not back to ipo price yet, but still. [17:48]
mike_c !mpif [17:48]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+] [17:49]
mircea_popescu o wow it dropped ? [17:49]
mircea_popescu !jd mpif [17:49]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.56965722 BTC; +0.09045396 BTC (+0.0531%) since last check 22h 25m 29s ago. [17:49]
mircea_popescu hm wtf [17:49]
mike_c eurusd is a tough market. [17:49]
mircea_popescu did panacea take it in teh butts ? [17:49]
mike_c yeah [17:49]
mircea_popescu THIS IS MILK [17:50]
mircea_popescu wow almost a full % huh [17:50]
mircea_popescu well you can't have it all [17:50]
asciilifeform TLS/SSL bug... hasn?t been found for over 16 years << don't blame the fscking mice... [17:50]
mircea_popescu mike_c mind making the columns on your splendid tracker red and green ? [17:50]
mike_c sure [17:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform why not ? [17:54]
mircea_popescu i will blame the mice. [17:54]
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asciilifeform mice belong in mousetrap, yes. but the kitchen remains filthy. [17:55]
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asciilifeform obligatory: [18:02]
asciilifeform ;;google don't blame the mice [18:02]
gribble Loper OS » Don't Blame the Mice.: ; OF MICE & MEN LYRICS - Blame It - A-Z Lyrics: ; Misleading results: don't blame the mice.: [18:02]
mircea_popescu blaming the mice is an excellent strategy. [18:06]
mircea_popescu it encourages the mice to organise and clean up your kitchen [18:06]
asciilifeform lol! [18:06]
mircea_popescu something sans pareil in all otherapproaches. [18:07]
mircea_popescu i ordinarily punish people for things they perceive are "well outside their control" [18:07]
mircea_popescu so does nature. [18:07]
* asciilifeform must've had defective mice [18:07]
mircea_popescu or not enough patience, or not enough cruelty. [18:07]
mircea_popescu the only way to establish which of the three is to be abundant with the last two [18:07]
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mircea_popescu the only ones under your own control. [18:07]
* asciilifeform killed the last two mice in old flat with own hands, still had to... clean after [18:08]
jurov btw, how it went with the robin? [18:09]
mike_c you didn't see last pic? [18:09]
jurov not [18:09]
mike_c [18:10]
assbot Kitteh - Imgur [18:10]
jurov kthanks [18:10]
asciilifeform bird went in cat. [18:10]
fluffypony LOL! [18:10]
mike_c bird gets 2014 darwin award [18:10]
fluffypony that cat is like "thanks for lunch" [18:10]
asciilifeform i knew i could rely on that particular cat [18:11]
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asciilifeform but it only comes at dusk. [18:11]
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ThickAsThieves [18:24]
assbot Confirmed: Shared Coin is broken : Bitcoin [18:24]
ThickAsThieves "There used to be something called Shared Send, which was an actual taintless bitcoin mixer and not just a CoinJoin plausible-deniability transaction obfuscator. [18:24]
ThickAsThieves For a while, Shared Send was the only option. Then SharedCoin was introduced and for a while they were both available in the wallet. [18:24]
ThickAsThieves Then, Shared Send was discontinued. Even the old URL for Shared Send ( redirects to their SharedCoin page now." [18:24]
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mircea_popescu noobs and poor people are not allowed to have good tools. [18:27]
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* asciilifeform poor with good tools. not impossible. [18:31]
asciilifeform noobs - sure. [18:32]
mircea_popescu which is why isortedin tht order :p [18:32]
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asciilifeform obligatory: [18:35]
asciilifeform [18:35]
assbot Re: becoming a better programmer - Naggum cll archive [18:35]
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asciilifeform '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' [18:35]
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chetty asciilifeform, a lot of that problem might actually be there are so few real experts [18:38]
asciilifeform chetty: somehow people once imagined that not having to travel over sea and through jungle to visit the experts - would solve this. [18:39]
asciilifeform it didn't. [18:39]
chetty nah the travel is better, earn your audience with an expert [18:40]
asciilifeform better - sure. but when you come across a lamer - he's already paying what a very reasonable education would cost - the price of his net connection. [18:41]
asciilifeform not everyone can apprentice with a master in meatspace, sure. but anyone could... read? [18:41]
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mircea_popescu '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' <<< quite exactly. [18:43]
mircea_popescu and the prescription for this disease is... rape. [18:43]
mircea_popescu people derping about how "we" should live in a world without rape conveniently tend to not mention that rape is in fact the only cure to the particular mental disease that constitutes their powerbase. [18:44]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, not anyone could read anymore than anyone could magic., [18:45]
chetty people can't be bothered to read mostly, much less evaluate the content in any reasonable manner [18:46]
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mircea_popescu reading is not just techne is the problem. which is why there exists such a thing as the educated idiot. [18:47]
mike_c those of you who wanted trilema book: [18:47]
assbot PaperLater [18:47]
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chetty save screen time and line the bird cage :) [18:50]
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mircea_popescu lol [18:53]
mircea_popescu lol #bitcoin-wizards actuallyexists [18:55]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: didn't you know? [18:56]
fluffypony it's the /r/BitcoinSerious version of #bitcoin-dev [18:56]
mircea_popescu notrly. [18:56]
mircea_popescu ic [18:56]
fluffypony only the cool kids are there [18:57]
* fluffypony clearly isn't cool [18:57]
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mircea_popescu course in my mind it's more like bitcoin-dev's johhny come lately attempt at making a bitcoin-assets without the ass in it [18:57]
mircea_popescu but what do i know. [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87465820 BTC to 8`765 shares, 21388 satoshi per share [19:00]
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fluffypony asciilifeform: thanks for the updated defective bird pic, it has come in handy - [19:04]
assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated] [19:04]
thestringpuller lol deprived, whatever happened to him? [19:07]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well left todd a tell, curious what'll come of that. [19:07]
thestringpuller not enough female ass in bitcoin assets [19:07]
fluffypony I like Peter Todd, I feel like his efforts are wasted / stymied by many others around him [19:08]
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mircea_popescu i like him too, and feel thesame way [19:11]
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mircea_popescu now if only he liked himself, he could be done with all that. [19:11]
jborkl wait Usagi lost access to his wallet ? he is still around? [19:12]
mircea_popescu sure, he's inventing the future of crypto [19:12]
mircea_popescu much like amir taaki [19:12]
mircea_popescu etc. [19:12]
jborkl maybe he can sell his skateboard this time [19:13]
jborkl he already sold his guitar [19:13]
mircea_popescu princessnell "Visions receive more attention than game plans. We know we want to “decentralize,” at least. Growing pains notwithstanding, the old ways simply will not do. Power corrupts, we are reminded from birth. The worst get on top, fewer learn later. Men are not angels but too many of them still run the world. No, our doomed synthetic seraphocracy must go." your prose needs better ligature. [19:13]
fluffypony jborkl: to quote usagi - "You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling." [19:13]
fluffypony we don't even KNOW [19:13]
asciilifeform fluffypony: lol [19:17]
jborkl I still do not know if he is the biggest idiot on the planet or just a scammer playing idiot [19:21]
jborkl he is too good at playing idiot to tell [19:21]
chetty jborkl> he is too good at playing idiot to tell// obama? [19:22]
jborkl he/she/both [19:22]
jborkl hehe [19:22]
davout jborkl: dotcoin is the same [19:22]
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punkman [19:27]
assbot Valued Investing | Socially Conscious Online Financial Advisor [19:27]
mircea_popescu who's that ? [19:30]
benkay asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists. // see also smbx [19:30]
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benkay fluffypony: Done right XFCE looks much better than OSx // care to share shots of your setup? [19:32]
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asciilifeform benkay: the wm 'ratpoison', imho, looks better than osx. i.e., it doesn't draw extraneous crud on the display at all... [19:32]
asciilifeform no window borders, no buttons, no clocks... nothing [19:33]
benkay i have to admin, i tend to eschew the window mgr in favor of...emacs. app-tab over to...browsers. [19:33]
asciilifeform benkay: think emacs but for all x11 progs [19:33]
benkay i've been concerned about a wm stomping on my emacs bindings, and losing a week to fixing it. [19:34]
benkay granted this pernicious notion was planted in my head by the notorious lee, so i don't know if it carries any water. [19:34]
asciilifeform 'ratpoison' doesn't - but if it did, all you'd have to do is change its own bindings (they're all configurable) [19:35]
benkay i'd hope. [19:35]
benkay have you tried xmonad? [19:35]
asciilifeform it's something like 50kb of c [19:35]
asciilifeform xmonad draws on screen, ugh. [19:36]
benkay vs? [19:36]
benkay do forgive my ignorance. [19:36]
asciilifeform vs ratpoison [19:36]
asciilifeform which doesn't [19:36]
asciilifeform it only gives other things a place to live [19:36]
benkay sure but what does rp do that's so different? [19:36]
asciilifeform only this [19:36]
benkay what's the difference between drawing on the screen and giving things a place to live? [19:37]
asciilifeform there are other tiling wm, but they all seem to insist on being 'better' - i.e. actually outputting something extra [19:37]
benkay displays are *way* out of my weelhouse. [19:37]
asciilifeform benkay: perhaps i did not explain well. most wm actually draw something of their own on the screen - window boundaries, toggles, clocks, etc. [19:37]
benkay ah that's what you mean by draw things. [19:38]
asciilifeform rp doesn't - all it does is reposition x11 windows created by other progs [19:38]
benkay i understand now, thank you. [19:38]
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FabianB !t m F.MPIF [19:41]
assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00021548 / 0.0002161 / 0.00021725 (15601 shares, 3.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC) [19:41]
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mircea_popescu Low Management Fee 0.6% [19:49]
mircea_popescu omfg god help us [19:49]
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chetty [19:50]
assbot FBI — Former Mingo Judge Sentenced to More Than Four Years in Federal Prison [19:50]
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asciilifeform chetty: i'd be surprised if every judge in usa weren't guilty of these and other crimes. but this one is removed. --> for reasons. [19:53]
thestringpuller !mpif [19:53]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021641 BTC (Total: 432.83 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-] [19:53]
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mircea_popescu what did he do again ? [19:54]
chetty asciilifeform, every little bit helps [19:54]
TomServo The sentence comes after Thornsbury admitted his role in a conspiracy to coerce a local drug defendant, George White, into firing his defense counsel. [19:54]
asciilifeform chetty: what i'm suggesting is that this particular specimen 'needed to have problems' - for some reason obviously not stated in the gov. press release. [19:55]
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asciilifeform the others remain on their thrones, on account of their 'playing ball' [19:55]
chetty sigh, prolly true - charge should read, fails to play ball [19:55]
benkay !up blackwhite_ [19:56]
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asciilifeform a lizard goes to the clink when a fatter, more senior lizard wishes it, and not at any other time [19:56]
mircea_popescu o yea [19:56]
benkay ;;google trilema assets +m [19:56]
gribble #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely ... - Trilema: ; Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: [19:56]
mircea_popescu TomServo the best part is where they discuss how "a stiff sentence was appropriate" and then the sentence is... 4 years. [19:57]
mircea_popescu what happened to death ? [19:57]
asciilifeform chicoms cornered the market [19:57]
mircea_popescu heh [19:57]
chetty 4 years in fed country club at that [19:57]
TomServo right. And the guy with 15 years gets no reprieve? [19:57]
mircea_popescu TomServo ikr ? stiff sentence my ass. [19:57]
asciilifeform want public firing squad, gotta go to cn, just like for cheap pcbs. [19:57]
pankkake I'm not sure sentences work at all [19:58]
pankkake the general thinking is "I'll get away with it" [19:58]
chetty depends what they are supposed to do [19:58]
asciilifeform pankkake: it 'worked' in this case - for removal of troublesome bureaucrat by another of his species [19:58]
pankkake sure, but the prison sentence isn't useful in that way. will this teach other bureaucrats? [19:59]
chetty bing0! asciilifeform you got it, they are indeed a whole different species [19:59]
asciilifeform what kind of trouble warranted his removal - and by whom, in actuality, he was removed - we (or at least i) do not know [19:59]
asciilifeform btw this kind of thing is a schoolbook example of what 'xxxx can also have problems' means. [20:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: did anyone ever step up to your 'judge biography' challenge? [20:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder where this one stood [20:05]
TomServo Oh yeah, that rings a bell. What was the bounty on that? [20:06]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the unfortunat experience of mr white, the fuckwit who listened to the usg, withdrew his charges against usg agents and is now serving 15 years should be very illuminating to every other us citizen [20:06]
mircea_popescu if you do what your government tells you to do you will end up with a life in prison sentence [20:06]
mircea_popescu this is what your government exists for : to put you in prison, for life. [20:07]
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mircea_popescu never, ever, under any circumstances do what any agency tells you. not the sec, not the irs, not the judge, no one. [20:07]
mircea_popescu do the fucking opposite. [20:07]
mircea_popescu you'll probablystill go to jail, but note that STILL in there. [20:07]
mircea_popescu and at least you get tyo have some fun. [20:07]
chetty do not go quietly into that long night [20:08]
asciilifeform what really boggles my mind is all the folks (e.g. a. schwartz) who were turned loose, with the understanding that they'll report to jail at appointed hour, etc. and no radio collar, etc.; now, they probably won't be permitted in an airport, but mexico is not so far... [20:08]
thestringpuller or make yourself disappear completely? [20:08]
mircea_popescu learned helplessness. is what makes domestic animals domestic [20:09]
mircea_popescu it's what makes herding possible [20:09]
asciilifeform insult to animals. they sometimes have the sense to run. [20:09]
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TomServo or repeatly fly into a window [20:09]
TomServo repeatedly* [20:10]
pankkake some animals and even plants cannot be domesticated [20:10]
asciilifeform TomServo: that's the other kind of animal. reminiscent of the folks who still try to weasel their way into usa [20:10]
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asciilifeform lol re: fbi 'most wanted' list's #10. [20:16]
asciilifeform lives openly and freely in moscow. [20:16]
mircea_popescu re bio challenge : no. but this wasn't a magistrate was he [20:16]
asciilifeform [20:20]
assbot Michael Thornsbury - Judgepedia [20:20]
asciilifeform right [20:20]
Mats_cd03 exceedingly few animals are capable of domestication and tasty too [20:22]
mircea_popescu "[Judge Thornsbury] engaged in criminal conspiracies to violate the constitutional rights of victim R.W. . .Judge Thornsbury conspired to plant illegal drugs on R.W.'s pickup truck; to have R.W. arrested for thefts he did not commit; to commandeer a state grand jury and use it to oppress R.W. and his family; and, after an incident in which R.W. was the victim of an assault, to arrange for R.W., rather than the perpetra [20:25]
mircea_popescu tor, to receive an exceptionally harsh sentence" [20:25]
mircea_popescu this is four years. [20:25]
asciilifeform unrelated: cryptome: still dead. [20:25]
mircea_popescu and it doesn'teven end htere : [20:25]
mircea_popescu U.S. Magistrate Judge Dwane Tinsley set the arraignment for August 21, 2013 and released Thornsbury on a $10,000 unsecured bond. [20:25]
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TomServo In the same article about the Mingo judge, they mention he tried to frame the husband of some woman he was fucking and was charged for that as well. [20:29]
TomServo No mention of sentencing in that case however. [20:29]
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mircea_popescu ;;diff [14:40]
gribble 1.1756551916903952E10 [14:40]
mircea_popescu hey, thenewdeal guy was pretty much spot on in theend ? [14:40]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,diff [14:41]
gribble Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. [14:41]
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mircea_popescu << some very smart people are discovering bitbet [14:53]
mircea_popescu who linked it on reddit ? [14:53]
mike_c ooh, is that the super-sekrit bitbet mod page? [14:54]
fluffypony "Who will clinch the ill trophy" [14:54]
* fluffypony votes yes [14:54]
mike_c needs moar css [14:55]
fluffypony mike_c: that's a good point [14:56]
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fluffypony that backend will never succeed without proper CSS [14:56]
fluffypony and some JS animation [14:56]
fluffypony bitbet is doomed! [14:56]
TomServo ;;isitdown [14:56]
gribble is up [14:56]
TomServo whew [14:56]
mircea_popescu mike_c yup [14:57]
mircea_popescu it's actually a jool of functional functionality, kakobrekla just made it like this and it has needed very little fixing [14:58]
mircea_popescu serves the mods quite comfortable. i think the man is talented. [14:58]
mike_c kako doesn't understand job security [15:00]
mike_c if it just works they don't need you anymore. [15:00]
fluffypony he should have purposely crippled it [15:00]
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Mats_cd03 ill unplug your hardware [15:01]
Mats_cd03 with garden shears [15:01]
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Mats_cd03 [15:21]
assbot Skydive by Astronauts. on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [15:21]
kakobrekla i think thats the rendering from lynx. [15:21]
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benkay why so hostile, Mats_cd03 [15:24]
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Mats_cd03 i found pubes in my cereal this morning [15:25]
fluffypony wow [15:25]
fluffypony fun [15:25]
Mats_cd03 whats so special about docker [15:26]
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Mats_cd03 can somebody explain this to me [15:26]
benkay containers for the derpy [15:26]
benkay its f'n great. [15:27]
Mats_cd03 and how is that different from a vps [15:27]
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Mats_cd03 [15:28]
assbot If You Ever Want To Be In Love by James Bay on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [15:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.0299 = 0.6279 BTC [+] [15:28]
benkay a vps you rent from a virtualization provider, docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization? [15:30]
asciilifeform benkay: what's wrong with ordinary human sshd ? [15:30]
asciilifeform (tunnel mode) [15:30]
asciilifeform lemme guess, 'docker' comes with extra helping of derp? [15:31]
benkay what does sshd have to do with docker? [15:34]
benkay i use it to nail down environments for a single process [15:35]
asciilifeform benkay: docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization << this ? [15:35]
FabianB it's a tool to manage lxc containers for you, so kinda like a chroot with cgroups and snapshottable [15:35]
asciilifeform (never heard of it before) [15:35]
benkay i mean granted i don't know shit about shinola [15:35]
asciilifeform aha [15:35]
benkay yeah, what FabianB said [15:35]
asciilifeform ok thought it was vpn substitute [15:35]
asciilifeform for some reason [15:35]
asciilifeform nm [15:35]
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FabianB no, many run it inside a vps [15:36]
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fluffypony I like to think of it as Bitcoin Testnet but for test environments [15:36]
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benkay can be run inside a vps as well [15:37]
thestringpuller or on a toaster [15:37]
fluffypony or on Usagi's My First Backup System [15:37]
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punkman they even have a conference derp [15:41]
assbot DockerCon 2014 [15:41]
benkay conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences [15:41]
punkman i guess now that their vc money came in they can splurge a bit [15:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23799999 = 0.714 BTC [-] {2} [15:43]
punkman how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though [15:44]
mircea_popescu from the life of a cryptolord : [15:44]
mircea_popescu mircea@inigo-montoya:/media/ce570767-bda1-4312-b09f-99a812e19f3e$ gpg 95bad940ebdc9bfcda86ea087d376ca179c59ebe [15:44]
fluffypony you killed my father! prepare to die! [15:45]
mircea_popescu now say it in md5 lol [15:45]
mircea_popescu if it just works they don't need you anymore. << i need him more when it works. [15:45]
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mircea_popescu conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences << agreed [15:46]
mircea_popescu how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though << also agreed. [15:47]
mircea_popescu da fuck do i do now [15:47]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [15:49]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.85, Best ask: 650.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 650.0, 24 hour volume: 6690.75594717, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.408442812 [15:49]
BingoBoingo !jd mpif [15:49]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.62354623 BTC; +0.05388901 BTC (+0.0316%) since last check 3h 59m 57s ago. [15:49]
BingoBoingo I like the gallium torroid idea. I was thinking I might be useful for creating small bronze scultpures that could be remoulded almost like clay. [15:51]
Mats_cd03 [15:51]
assbot G. Love & Special Sauce - Nothing Quite Like Home - YouTube [15:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [15:52]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [15:52]
asciilifeform maybe good idea, but 'badBet' [15:52]
asciilifeform to use kako's terminology [15:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, I think retaliation from the Gallium upbidding cartel could take the form of upbidding Indium. iPhones can have problems too. [15:53]
kakobrekla i thought it was english. [15:53]
asciilifeform it'd be a shame, though, GaAs is costly enough as it is. [15:54]
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BingoBoingo Yeah, and so many aesthetic uses, Like a liquid metal fountain out in the garden. [15:55]
asciilifeform i'd leave this gedankenexperiment on the shelf. just because you can, doesn't mean that you must. but, on the other hand, nobody's gonna play tungsten games with 'gold' that's liquid at 30c. [15:57]
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BingoBoingo It might take what, 1, 2 kilograms to fill a small fountain? The gallium might need changed out every couple seasons due to impurities? [15:59]
BingoBoingo benkay: My setup looks like that pic I linked to fluffypony [15:59]
BingoBoingo At least it does on the portable. [15:59]
[]bot Bet created: "Belgium to make Round of 16 at 2014 World Cup" [15:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.238 = 0.476 BTC [+] [16:00]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: also helps to remember that this 'gold' is approximately as abundant as lead in the earth's crust. but, considerably more energy-costly to extract (byproduct of Al refinement) [16:03]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course, in that way it is like silver, but with a more predictable extraction rate. [16:04]
asciilifeform predictable until some bozo starts buying by the megaton. [16:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23996553 = 1.4398 BTC [+] {2} [16:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i suggested it as 'coin' simply as thought experiment in generalizing the 'use-value' of btc. that is, material that cannot be confused with anything else (Hg, for instance, on top of being rather common, can be substituted with 'gallinstan' alloy. but you can't raise melting point of Ga by mixing in impurities - only lower it) [16:06]
[]bot Bet created: "Bayern beats Major League Soccer" [16:06]
penguirker New blog post: [16:07]
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asciilifeform a NdFeB or SmCo magnet would likewise make a very 'solid' coin, from that perspective [16:08]
asciilifeform testable as genuine with a dollar's worth of gear. [16:08]
asciilifeform no need to weigh it, even [16:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02999999 = 0.9 BTC [+] [16:09]
asciilifeform just squeeze it into a size/depth gauge and determine 'pull' [16:09]
asciilifeform don't keep these 'coins' with your bank cards... [16:10]
[]bot Bet created: "Clint Dempsey wins MLS MVP" [16:10]
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mike_c hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" [16:13]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:13]
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mike_c today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" [16:13]
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asciilifeform speaking of NdFeB: turns out one can now get man-portable, cryogen-free nmr machines based on rare earth magnet. 20k usd or so, used. [16:14]
asciilifeform never mix up red and blue pill again... [16:14]
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Namworld Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. [16:15]
Namworld NMR machine? [16:15]
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benkay ah, ty BingoBoingo [16:15]
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BingoBoingo [16:35]
assbot Its official: Malicious hackers have crappy password hygiene, too | Ars Technica [16:35]
[]bot Bet created: "Seattle Sounders MLS Champions" [16:35]
dignork asciilifeform: for the pills - [16:36]
assbot SCiO: Your Sixth Sense. A Pocket Molecular Sensor For All ! by Consumer Physics, Inc. — Kickstarter [16:36]
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BingoBoingo %book [16:38]
[]bot Bet created: "Jose Abreu AL Rookie of the Year" [16:38]
atcbot 2k@270 2k@269 20k@265 | 3k@144 50k@143 175k@142 [16:38]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: scio << classic kickstarturd [16:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That's diginork's link. If such a kickstarter succeeded I wouldn't trust it to identify interesting things... [16:39]
[]bot Bet created: "Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2014" [16:40]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the claim of protein/fat content through surface ir spectroscopy is truly precious. [16:43]
dignork it would probably differentiate metal from stone, usability close to zero, but amusing [16:43]
asciilifeform how does anyone fall for this garbage ? [16:43]
asciilifeform don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? [16:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That is one concern. The other is identifying tylenol through the tablet's way? [16:43]
asciilifeform i didn't see mortar/pestle in the photo, sorta assumed it must've been there [16:44]
BingoBoingo Even then, I'd expect it to report a lot of cornstarch, stearate and lipid esters [16:45]
asciilifeform the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked. [16:46]
asciilifeform locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik [16:46]
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asciilifeform e.g. [16:47]
assbot Bacteria classification using Cyranose 320 electronic nose [16:47]
asciilifeform seems like the homeland seekoority bozos might've swallowed it. [16:48]
BingoBoingo Even supposing the thing identifies tylenol it isn't identifying any interesting high molecular weight compounds [16:48]
asciilifeform anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought. [16:48]
mike_c [16:52]
assbot Coinalytics [16:52]
mike_c you guys need to start taking the right decisions. [16:52]
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los_pantalones take a discripined decision [16:56]
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benkay lol that email form [17:31]
benkay that designer is fired. [17:31]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a very special find: [17:31]
assbot A Penetration Artist - Deep Shit (infinitebutthole) - KAFKA Franz - Works [Archive of Our Own] [17:31]
benkay too clever. not usable. [17:32]
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mike_c don't be stuck in the 90's. usability should never trump slick design. [17:33]
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benkay graceful...nevermind. [17:34]
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jurov technetium coins for sale! buy while still fresh! [18:21]
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jurov ...technetium alloy cut with gold and palladium would be perfect for [18:26]
jurov high-value coinage. “Hard, bright, untarnishable and rare, it would be the [18:26]
jurov numismatist’s answer to diamond, for such a coin might last nearly forever.” [18:26]
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* jurov googled shit [18:26]
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jurov,%20Wil/Wil%20McCarthy%20-%20The%20Technetium%20Rush.pdf [18:29]
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benkay moar [18:41]
benkay coffee [18:41]
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thestringpuller Damn [18:48]
thestringpuller silent as fuck today [18:48]
thestringpuller something big about to go down ain't it? [18:49]
benkay get back to your pomodoros ;) [18:49]
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mike_c everybody's behind schedule. [18:49]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: something big about to go down << mp did mention preparing some new thing [18:49]
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asciilifeform jurov: technetium coin << afaik, fiction. but, idea. [18:57]
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mike_c pop quiz (no cheating). name a company with mkt cap > $200b and p/e > 20. [19:32]
mircea_popescu exxon is over 200bn fo sho [19:33]
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mike_c pe = 14 [19:33]
mircea_popescu was more like 4 iirc [19:33]
mircea_popescu hm [19:33]
mike_c challenging, right? these companies shouldn't exist. [19:34]
mircea_popescu how about the china oil corp ? [19:34]
mircea_popescu w/e it was called [19:34]
mircea_popescu also icbc maybe [19:34]
mike_c far as i can tell china companies have crappy pe's. [19:35]
mike_c google is the one that got me looking. [19:35]
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mike_c $380b at a fking 30 p/e [19:35]
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mike_c others are proctor/gamble, novartis, and royal dutch. [19:35]
mircea_popescu no look, petrochina : 130bn net over 1 trn equity [19:36]
mike_c hm, the petrochina ADR i see has $225b cap and pe 11 [19:36]
mircea_popescu i see goog actual at 15.3 pe [19:37]
mircea_popescu what figures exactly are you working on ? [19:37]
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mircea_popescu Diluted EPS Excluding Extraordinary Items 5.33 trading 560ish [19:38]
mircea_popescu (mrq) [19:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, petrochina is ptr on nyse [19:39]
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mike_c ;;calc 560 / (5.34 * 4) [19:40]
gribble 26.2172284644 [19:40]
mike_c unless my math is borked, that is a hefty pe for a company that big. [19:40]
mircea_popescu trading 120ish, Diluted Normalized EPS 0.19 mrq [19:41]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 120 / 4 / .19 [19:41]
gribble 157.894736842 [19:41]
mircea_popescu 157 pe there you go [19:41]
cazalla i don't think there are any australian ones, i think BHP Billiton has cap of like 50-60b [19:41]
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mircea_popescu and icbc is actually listed... on the fucking pink sheets. idcby [19:42]
mike_c where yo ugetting that number? i see PTR mrq is 2.92 eps [19:42]
mike_c ;;calc 120 / (2.92 *4) [19:42]
gribble 10.2739726027 [19:42]
mircea_popescu << [19:42]
assbot Financial Statements for PetroChina Company Limited (ADR) - Google Finance [19:43]
mircea_popescu dn eps is the last item on the page [19:43]
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mike_c that number is wrong i believe [19:44]
mircea_popescu o.O [19:44]
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BingoBoingo OMG It's another LABCOIN!!! Amazing Petro!!! [19:44]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:45]
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mircea_popescu i still can't quite believe icbc is listed as a pink wtf bbq [19:45]
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mircea_popescu thing has like half a million emplouyees all over theworld. [19:46]
mike_c yeah, google's out to fucking lunch. that number is wrong [19:46]
mircea_popescu mike_c maybe their own numbers are wrong too then ? :D [19:47]
mike_c look at the summary at the top. 22b shares * $123 = $225b mkt cap?? [19:47]
mike_c that's some fuzzy math [19:47]
mircea_popescu i think they use an avg [19:47]
mircea_popescu 123 is last close orsomething [19:48]
BingoBoingo I'm telling you they hired Armandi to be their shadow CEO [19:48]
mike_c 22b * $123 = $2.5 T. that is pretty far off [19:48]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 225 / 22 [19:48]
gribble 10.2272727273 [19:48]
mike_c see? they added a zero. [19:49]
mircea_popescu lol hm. [19:49]
mike_c google: 0 mike: 1 [19:49]
mircea_popescu << the icbc statement [19:50]
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mircea_popescu net 73,461 ; 0.21 d eps. [19:51]
mircea_popescu so there. this is a definite. [19:51]
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mike_c right, but what is $123 in yuan [19:51]
mthreat mike_c: AMZN is close, $150B cap, 520 PE [19:51]
mike_c your definite is in some other currency. [19:52]
mircea_popescu the 0.21 d eps is in RMB yuans [19:52]
mircea_popescu and iut's been trading at about 12.83 usd/share on otc [19:53]
mircea_popescu (aka 80 rmb) [19:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 80 / 4 / .21 [19:53]
gribble 95.2380952381 [19:53]
mircea_popescu there. 95. [19:53]
mike_c ok, so icbc is on the list then. [19:53]
mike_c sell that one too [19:53]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't. [19:54]
mircea_popescu it's owned by the chinese govt, and a tool of its foreign policy. [19:54]
mircea_popescu a rather close approximation of mpex, for that matter. [19:54]
mike_c sell gazprom as well [19:54]
mircea_popescu you're young and therefore naive :) [19:54]
mike_c look, idk wtf goes on in china. i'm just saying, dump GOOG, PG, novartis and royal dutch. [19:55]
mircea_popescu goog i can see. novartis maybe. royal dutch no. [19:55]
mircea_popescu and the chinese/russian/etc royal entreprises no, either. [19:55]
mike_c well nobody actually sells oil companies [19:55]
mircea_popescu not unless you're a sovereign yourself, ready able and willing to go to war with the sovereigns backing them [19:55]
mike_c gimme a year [19:55]
mircea_popescu so maybe you sell them in a year then. [19:55]
mike_c :) plus, i actually hold some PG and i ain't selling that either. [19:56]
mike_c everybody needs toothpaste [19:56]
mircea_popescu im actually mildly short on us crapola, from google to the rest of the "Tech" sector. [19:56]
mike_c aapl is under $100 now! totally a good reason for the stock to shoot up 20%! [19:57]
mircea_popescu yeah, right, because that's how it works. [19:57]
mike_c mthreat: amzn doesn't count, they aren't trying to make money. [19:58]
mircea_popescu hm, come to think of it, perhaps it could be argued im not even THAT mildly short. i'm like 600k in against brk publicly [19:58]
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fluffypony usagi confuses me [20:10]
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fluffypony "And yes, as I mentioned quite a number of times, not only do we have off-site backups I am mirroring daily backups to a Synology DS-4 I keep in my office." [20:10]
fluffypony if he had/has off-site backups why even bother posting in the first place? [20:11]
dub one does not understand a usagi [20:11]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. [20:12]
dub ^ [20:12]
mircea_popescu take blondie out, at least she's ACTUALLY female. [20:12]
fluffypony hah hah [20:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, he doesn't have an office, he worked as a sort of that-fat--and-gay-guy-in-high-fidelity [20:13]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: You have to realize arguing with Usagi is worthless. He has too many aspersation to experience any sort of self examination. [20:32]
mircea_popescu mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" | today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" << fucking exactly. [20:33]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [20:33]
mircea_popescu and on top of it, they get all butthurt when they're treated to a heapful of stfu and go read the logs for a year on the FIRST announcement. [20:33]
mike_c well, they know better [20:33]
mircea_popescu ya right. and who even told eduardo decastro he can be a ceo anyway. [20:34]
BingoBoingo Maybe we should start selling canned STFU. [20:34]
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fluffypony lol [20:34]
assbot Eduardo deCastro, CEO, receiving the wafers! | HashFast [20:34]
mircea_popescu Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. << yeah the shatter factor is a problem. also, god help you if you're trying to carry say a 20 lb bag of them in the street. [20:36]
mircea_popescu well... on the optimistic side... you'll prolly have no trouble catching the bus. [20:36]
mircea_popescu "Based on a statistical analysis of the recovered passwords, Hýža constructed two character sets that stood the best chance of quickly cracking the remaining undeciphered passcodes. The shorter of the two contained just 28 characters: acdehiklmnorstu01234579!-.@_" [20:38]
mircea_popescu as to why humans make shitty rngs [20:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] [20:39]
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mircea_popescu yet "11,665 Backers $2,480,795 pledged of $200,000 goal 4 days to go" [20:39]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [20:39]
mircea_popescu curious what sort of magic kickstarter can turn out of 2.5mn [20:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? << no. because it'd be racist. [20:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought. << this is a good point actually. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu "Coinalytics receives seed funding as one of 500 Startups first Bitcoin ventures" [20:43]
mircea_popescu lolk. [20:43]
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mircea_popescu mike_c:everybody's behind schedule. < :D [20:44]
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mike_c except me of course, i'm just naturally quiet. [20:45]
BingoBoingo Jobs to revive in the serene republic [20:46]
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mircea_popescu ahhh history. [20:48]
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assbot Lunea intunericoasa ca sa nu zicem de-a dreptu’ neagra ca-i urit si ne citesc inclusiv copii de tita. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:48]
mircea_popescu this is an article about the black monday, which you're prolly mostly too young to remember. [20:48]
mircea_popescu about 4% of the monetary mass in circulation sold out, bitcoin dropped from 5.3 to 4.5, and people were in agreeemnt that it's prolly the end [20:49]
mircea_popescu "all high volume is on red candles, forget it" etc [20:49]
penguirker New blog post: [20:49]
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BingoBoingo Wait, Sal Inglesa [20:56]
*dignork* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :this kickstarter project, looks somewhat scammy, but in their presentation they detect amount of fat(?) in different types of cheese [20:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_inglesa: I have a feeling the Argentines are going to start refering to Bitcoin as Money Inglesa before too long... [20:58]
mircea_popescu it would not surprise me. [21:01]
mircea_popescu crypto inglesa [21:01]
mthreat mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here [21:01]
mircea_popescu mthreat wait, what ?! [21:01]
mircea_popescu dude the fucking weird laws they have, texas is nothing compared [21:01]
BingoBoingo Crypto Inglesa sounds more like GPG [21:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no that's correo inglesa [21:01]
mthreat mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines [21:02]
mthreat again, unverified [21:02]
mircea_popescu mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too [21:02]
mircea_popescu i think i even have pics published on trilema somewhere of this in san antonio tx [21:02]
BingoBoingo Ah, Texas has some weird laws... I don't think it is legal for a Texan to make eye contact with a Steer and not offer it a handjob. [21:02]
mthreat i've seen them in texas, but i'm not aware of any law there [21:03]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D [21:03]
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BingoBoingo One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws [21:08]
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BingoBoingo I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes) [21:10]
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BingoBoingo Were we still looking at the back part of July? [21:20]
BingoBoingo and August [21:20]
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BingoBoingo Oops thestringpuller [21:20]
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mircea_popescu ok so i ended up picking a link from someone in here and writing a fucking important and grandiose piece. [21:22]
mircea_popescu god i love this chan [21:22]
mircea_popescu (it's not done yet, but should be in a coupla hours) [21:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what are you using that has 'll' ? unix system V ? [21:27]
asciilifeform (mentioned in footnote to 'strange things people think') [21:28]
asciilifeform ... minix ? [21:28]
mircea_popescu dude srsly ? fucking ubuntu has ll. debian has ll. [21:28]
mircea_popescu what doesn't have ll [21:28]
asciilifeform me. [21:29]
mircea_popescu lol ok [21:29]
mircea_popescu why not ? ls sucks [21:29]
asciilifeform (to be fair, if i didn't build it from src, it's not here) [21:29]
mircea_popescu (it's just an alias for ls -l you know) [21:29]
asciilifeform sure [21:30]
asciilifeform a little retro [21:30]
mircea_popescu well ya. [21:30]
mircea_popescu ls should be -l by default anyway. [21:30]
asciilifeform ltr [21:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is that cat any closer to being tamed? [21:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ? [21:31]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cat is the ways she likes, wild, free [21:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: All you need to do is move it to being wild, free, and attuned to your air defense needs. [21:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: battleship where they piss on patents: there is a smart and a foolish way to do this. the latter - e.g. ussr, where my father and countless other folks copied consumer gizmos from the west. smart way: develop tech that was entombed in patent hell in the west and never really hatched [21:32]
mike_c trippy. imma go throw up now. [21:33]
assbot am i really a good person? [21:33]
asciilifeform e.g. electric nose, retinal projection display, various biological strange [21:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe [21:33]
mircea_popescu it's a complex problem [21:33]
asciilifeform more examples - anything to do with wavelets [21:34]
asciilifeform one could make a tedious list [21:34]
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* BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power... [21:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: urbit belongs to rupture farms (or whatever that vc outfit was called) now [21:37]
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BingoBoingo Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs [21:38]
asciilifeform [21:38]
asciilifeform ^ yarvin as a kid, when he was more fun [21:38]
asciilifeform [21:39]
assbot cDc paramedia: texXxt #234 [21:39]
asciilifeform ^ ditto [21:39]
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BingoBoingo Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists. [21:40]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actually moldbug/yarvin 'came out of the closet' when he bragged about inventing address space randomization in an obscure paper as an undergrad [21:41]
asciilifeform circa... 2009? [21:41]
asciilifeform that narrowed the candidate list to 1. [21:42]
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asciilifeform at least that's when i (not acquainted with the man personally) learned the truth [21:42]
BingoBoingo Interesting how this works. [21:43]
asciilifeform that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it [21:44]
asciilifeform folks who do this for a living (e.g. spying) come with 'cover' biographies and essentially live the life of an actor [21:44]
asciilifeform and then understand that you can't use actual life experiences, etc. in conversation [21:45]
asciilifeform not worth it unless you're paid for the sweat (or perhaps half a step ahead of the gasenwagen...) [21:45]
asciilifeform going back to mr mold: [21:48]
asciilifeform 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.' [21:48]
asciilifeform 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.' [21:49]
asciilifeform 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.' [21:49]
asciilifeform 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.' [21:49]
asciilifeform (end of mega-quote.) [21:49]
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asciilifeform ^ the piece in question [21:49]
mircea_popescu that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it << [21:49]
mircea_popescu similarly, managing noise levels in your building is not something you do anonymously. [21:50]
asciilifeform 'tight' understood to mean, actually making an effort to conceal your human name [21:50]
mircea_popescu ya [21:50]
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mircea_popescu anyway, no research is ever fraudulent. [21:51]
benkay oh yeah. when neighbors act up, i go over in my underoos and say "hi. please stop." [21:51]
mircea_popescu the historyof nonsense is still scholarship [21:51]
mircea_popescu one just has to be jewish enough about it. [21:51]
BingoBoingo I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away. [21:51]
mircea_popescu benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. [21:52]
asciilifeform 300 dollar shirt << chain mail? [21:52]
mircea_popescu no lol [21:52]
BingoBoingo I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports... [21:52]
asciilifeform what other shirt has 'obvious' price [21:52]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: W-metal shirt [21:53]
BingoBoingo Or Z-weighted shirt [21:53]
mircea_popescu hm [21:53]
* BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters. [21:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ? [21:56]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay. [21:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: notice that the folks who are forced to live 'in a target' on account of their profession, have rather different nukefest preparations than the crap traditionally suggested to commoners [22:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: all others - if they can afford it, live elsewhere, rather than building bunkers, investing in chemsuits, escape vehicles [22:00]
asciilifeform a fine example, actually, of solving wrong engineering problem [22:02]
asciilifeform consider, likewise, the infamous 'suit for surviving bear attack' [22:02]
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asciilifeform most people, at least, have the sense to solve the latter problem another way. [22:02]
BingoBoingo Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations. [22:03]
BingoBoingo I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked... [22:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: russian rockets are traditionally specced to the 'texas sharpshooter' method [22:04]
asciilifeform and thus off by 200+km without fail [22:05]
benkay benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. [22:05]
benkay (as well) [22:05]
asciilifeform can't speak for the chicoms. but, given as their machines are more recent, perhaps they do the obvious thing - targeting the loud, unmistakeable radio-cacophony of the target [22:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet... [22:06]
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BingoBoingo So... I could be fucked both ways... Loud radio caucophany is my anti-tempest strategy... [22:07]
asciilifeform radio-seeking guidance is sop even now. [22:07]
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benkay see, cascadia's full of rad old coots [22:08]
asciilifeform (for short-range rockets) [22:08]
BingoBoingo Yeah, US has been using it against any afghan with a Sat phone. [22:09]
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asciilifeform a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison [22:10]
asciilifeform so they all got rocketed. [22:11]
asciilifeform (triangulation) [22:11]
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BingoBoingo Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ ===== [22:13]
mircea_popescu benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. << and peeing ? [22:15]
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asciilifeform on battleship, harass neighbours with... exocets [22:16]
BingoBoingo Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now... [22:16]
dub benkay reinforces another jew stereotype [22:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there can be countermeasure against 1,2,3... but not five. see also [22:17]
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mircea_popescu a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison << i heard the same story passed off as successful intel mission, stole [22:19]
mircea_popescu the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless. [22:19]
mike_c what does ring pattern have to do with it? HARM busts up jammers regardless I thought [22:19]
mike_c just homes in on strongest source. [22:19]
asciilifeform mike_c: consider the question of how one finds the strongest source. [22:19]
BingoBoingo mike_c: I'm guessing you never got the Radio merit badge in the Boyu Scouts? [22:19]
mike_c i did not. [22:19]
mircea_popescu mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses [22:20]
BingoBoingo Ah [22:20]
mike_c what, it plunks in the middle? [22:20]
mircea_popescu sort-of yea [22:20]
asciilifeform beauty is, you can now do experiment (vs gedankenexperiment) yourself, just need ~$100 and local computer junk shop [22:20]
mike_c and a HARM [22:20]
asciilifeform buy 'wifi' locator keychain and a box of old routers. [22:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c just the seeking part. [22:20]
mircea_popescu diy, 50 bux [22:20]
mircea_popescu or yeah i guess asciilifeform's version is even better. [22:21]
mike_c well, there is the other easy way to hose gps jammers. [22:21]
mike_c as long as you know which way is up.. [22:21]
mike_c ignore signals from down. [22:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: tale: take with requisite grain of whatever salt, it was told by a russian [22:22]
asciilifeform !up jborkl [22:22]
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mircea_popescu mike_c you can't always identify directionality like that [22:22]
mike_c not always, but when you are designing for it you can. [22:22]
asciilifeform mike_c: clouds - moon, if you want! are... reflective. [22:22]
asciilifeform if you need, it can 'come from down' [22:23]
mircea_popescu mike_c not only the ionosphere reflects, but [22:23]
BingoBoingo And it must be remembered "ring does not necessarily mean 1 ring or centered rings [22:23]
mircea_popescu plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon [22:23]
asciilifeform signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. [22:23]
asciilifeform (how do we pick it up? open a textbook, pll...) [22:23]
mircea_popescu signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. << exactly, and directionality is w-expensive. [22:23]
BingoBoingo Subtly move the center of the complex from the 1337 command center to the squash court [22:24]
asciilifeform gps would be worth very little if you could only use the signal that is 'up' [22:24]
asciilifeform think about it [22:24]
jborkl My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours [22:24]
jborkl Not sure if it is traffic or ? [22:24]
mircea_popescu jborkl welcome to the internet. [22:24]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 7000 * 3600 * 24 / (1024 ** 3) [22:25]
gribble 0.563263893127 [22:25]
asciilifeform jborkl: 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc [22:25]
mike_c asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no? [22:25]
mircea_popescu mike_c sort-of. obviously it's an endless battle etc. but it's not nearly as lopsided as you seem to think. [22:25]
BingoBoingo mike_c: GPS sats only get so strong. Most "GPS" relies on indigenous signals to achieve a finer resolution [22:26]
mike_c i think it wasn't that lopsided in operation saddam [22:26]
mike_c but i think it is now [22:26]
asciilifeform mike_c: there are practical limits for electrical supply in orbit. (russia launched reactors, pissing on treaties, for this reason) [22:26]
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mircea_popescu mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage [22:26]
mircea_popescu and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic. [22:27]
BingoBoingo Most under rated turn of the century film [22:27]
assbot Space Cowboys (2000) - IMDb [22:27]
mircea_popescu it certainly isn't nowhere near today. [22:27]
asciilifeform modern rocket men have taken an interest in terrain tracking, gravimetric maps, etc. - things the opponent can't jam [22:27]
asciilifeform for this reason. [22:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity [22:28]
mircea_popescu also for this reason [22:28]
BingoBoingo And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft... [22:28]
mike_c yeah but we got lots of uav's [22:28]
mircea_popescu but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase. [22:28]
asciilifeform obligatory: [22:29]
asciilifeform ;;google you and the atomic bomb [22:29]
gribble George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: ; Orwell's 5 greatest essays: No. 4, "You and the Atomic Bomb" - Los ...: ; Fifty Orwell Essays - Project Gutenberg Australia: [22:29]
BingoBoingo The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II [22:29]
BingoBoingo Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in actual history it wasn't so bad. [22:30]
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BingoBoingo Ghandi was just a Brown Edward Teller [22:30]
mircea_popescu problem is civ was written from a broken (french revolutionary) pov. [22:30]
mircea_popescu were you born in a less dumb culture it'd have been more pleasant. [22:31]
asciilifeform gotta pity the kid who learns history from 'civilopaedia' [22:31]
mircea_popescu you mean everyone on reddit ? [22:31]
asciilifeform 'i built Woman's Suffrage, can now research Atomic Power !' [22:31]
BingoBoingo Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else... [22:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests : [22:31]
* asciilifeform started and ended with civ-1 [22:32]
mircea_popescu [22:32]
assbot Sid Meier’s Civilisation (3) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:32]
mircea_popescu me single town owning world. [22:32]
mircea_popescu shit sorry wrong link [22:33]
mircea_popescu < that one [22:33]
assbot Revelatie nocturna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time [22:33]
mircea_popescu wasn;t it in game ? [22:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, 70k gold +1k per turn. sexy! [22:35]
asciilifeform mine was an ascii turd that came with the warez. [22:35]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked. [22:36]
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mircea_popescu nice huh [22:36]
BingoBoingo That is a beautiful situation you fell into [22:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084872 = 2.3764 BTC [-] [22:37]
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BingoBoingo Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules. [22:38]
* asciilifeform played as barbarians... [22:38]
BingoBoingo :D [22:38]
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* asciilifeform ashamed, probably spent more time patching games than playing [22:39]
BingoBoingo Nothing to be ashamed of. The thing is back then, that was the fun. [22:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8555 @ 0.00084942 = 7.2668 BTC [+] {2} [22:41]
BingoBoingo rules.txt has to be one of my top 5 favorite files of all time [22:41]
jborkl So I am guessing I am getting ddos ? My CDN also says it served 200mb today. I will have to use tcpdump tomorrow [22:42]
jborkl And see what's up [22:42]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: speaking of radio triangulation, cryptome is back - with: [22:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, others: [22:43]
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asciilifeform (summary: fellow read 'the mice' or likewise woke up, pessimist) [22:43]
BingoBoingo Wait, drug trafickers use voice on VHF? not Morse plus One time pad? [22:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sit down for this one. they don't use pgp either... [22:44]
mircea_popescu jborkl [22:44]
assbot Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:44]
mircea_popescu trilema serves 5gb a day on average. maybe you're just becoming famous ? [22:45]
BingoBoingo Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. [22:45]
jborkl Well I guess that is what I am trying to figure out [22:45]
asciilifeform 'But maybe "computer" is the wrong word. It's actually an iron box with a padlock. Also known as a computer whose security model is simple enough to understand and whose operating system is known completely enough to trust.' [22:45]
mircea_popescu so grep the log for unique ips [22:45]
benkay Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. // worse things could happen [22:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ? [22:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet [22:46]
mircea_popescu aok [22:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) [22:47]
benkay ;;google agenture [22:47]
gribble Agenture apparel manufacturing, Bestbase group | LinkedIn: ; ; Agenture Cortese « KOOPmedia: [22:47]
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benkay ? [22:47]
asciilifeform benkay: 'humint' to english folks [22:47]
asciilifeform sorry [22:47]
benkay no need to apologize for my poor education [22:47]
BingoBoingo -assets, where crackpots become spies [22:48]
benkay agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents? [22:48]
asciilifeform aye [22:48]
asciilifeform as in, recruiting traitors [22:48]
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asciilifeform (what the word 'spy' means to folks who actually earn their bread by spying) [22:48]
BingoBoingo Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash... [22:51]
asciilifeform lol [22:51]
asciilifeform stack trace? [22:51]
asciilifeform or BingoBoingo doesn't like money [22:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace? [22:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: your favourite debugger [22:52]
BingoBoingo You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology [22:52]
asciilifeform if on linux box, check syslog [22:52]
BingoBoingo Explain this to me like I'm Usagi [22:52]
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BingoBoingo !up jborkl [22:53]
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asciilifeform re: humint: intro textbook: [22:53]
asciilifeform [22:53]
assbot NEKAKA - Download File - spies.pdf [22:53]
dub type> dmesg [22:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709 = 0.1418 BTC [+] [22:54]
asciilifeform ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook [22:57]
benkay downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters. [22:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mozilla crash report, dmesg about to go in dpaste [22:58]
assbot [@ SetStyleSheetReference] - Firefox 29.0 Crash Report - Report ID: ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611 [22:58]
diametric asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today [22:58]
asciilifeform diametric: nope. but front yard kinda dissolved. [22:58]
diametric fun [22:58]
* asciilifeform experienced drowned computers one and only time - on 2nd floor of a gigantic office park. no prizes for guessing how [23:01]
BingoBoingo Fuck, why is Nigbuntu still running on any of my machines. [23:01]
asciilifeform (fire alarm, flooders) [23:01]
BingoBoingo NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger [23:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07075196 = 3.5376 BTC [-] {3} [23:04]
diametric nigbuntu? [23:04]
BingoBoingo diametric: That's it's name nao. [23:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow? [23:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afraid you're on your own for this one, my hands are full [23:11]
asciilifeform but it's a good educational exercise. [23:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ask diametric perhaps [23:12]
asciilifeform or put a bounty. [23:12]
diametric use truecrypt. hehehehe [23:12]
asciilifeform lolz [23:12]
BingoBoingo Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel... [23:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: try magnesium [23:13]
BingoBoingo A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures. [23:14]
asciilifeform in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right [23:14]
BingoBoingo But... How do I cook porksteaks on a Jar... [23:14]
asciilifeform (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs) [23:14]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange [23:15]
BingoBoingo It makes me stronger in death... I shall not decompose... [23:15]
asciilifeform [insert the tired old mozart joke here] [23:16]
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BingoBoingo Or Bentham... [23:16]
asciilifeform ;;google mozart decomposing [23:16]
gribble "Mozart: Decomposing Since 1791." - - Best t-shirts ...: ; Musician Jokes - A Joke a Day: ; Mozart Decomposing: Musician Jokes at Jokes.Net: [23:16]
BingoBoingo So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice? [23:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: forget consensus [23:18]
BingoBoingo That's a good point. [23:18]
asciilifeform i personally like gentoo because i'm a *bsd exile. [23:18]
asciilifeform your mileage may vary. [23:18]
benkay what exiled you from bsd? [23:18]
asciilifeform hardware support [23:18]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back. [23:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:19]
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asciilifeform gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting [23:20]
BingoBoingo I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check [23:20]
asciilifeform you'll have problems you never knew existed - in exchange for various plus [23:20]
dub ff crashed because ff [23:20]
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BingoBoingo I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable... [23:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo - understand that not all crashes are exploitable [23:21]
BingoBoingo ANd instead drive a plastic car. [23:21]
asciilifeform the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter... [23:22]
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BingoBoingo It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner. [23:23]
BingoBoingo Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges. [23:23]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: hanging on locked file? [23:24]
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Namworld At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second. [23:24]
BingoBoingo Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual. [23:25]
benkay wb Namworld [23:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room [23:30]
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asciilifeform (not only about what you don't want) [23:30]
BingoBoingo Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet... [23:32]
BingoBoingo Imma drink moar and think about it. [23:32]
asciilifeform for a masochist - minix... [23:32]
asciilifeform ;;google men were men and wrote own device drivers [23:32]
gribble Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote: ; Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT - Google Groups: ; Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition: Preface - [23:32]
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BingoBoingo The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida... [23:33]
asciilifeform for unsatisfied masochist - 'menuet' [23:34]
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BingoBoingo A fool me once sort of deal... [23:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook [23:34]
BingoBoingo Minix 3 [23:34]
asciilifeform wow, never knew it went retarded [23:35]
asciilifeform get '1' [23:35]
decimation asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad [23:35]
asciilifeform decimation: now if only it... worked [23:35]
BingoBoingo I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome... [23:35]
decimation what part failed - the autorouter? [23:35]
asciilifeform decimation: it. and the gui (shits snow on the screen) [23:36]
asciilifeform i suspect they only test under winblows [23:36]
asciilifeform took me a week to get it to build, too [23:36]
decimation heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows [23:36]
decimation and costs a fortune [23:36]
asciilifeform other than cadsoft's. it's rather turdalicious, but usable [23:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00085336 = 5.3762 BTC [+] [23:37]
asciilifeform in electric world, open source sorta never really happened [23:37]
decimation back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago [23:37]
asciilifeform with possible exception of 'magic' [23:37]
asciilifeform (vlsi package) [23:37]
BingoBoingo Brb [23:38]
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decimation well, and 5,000 versions of spice, all of which suck [23:38]
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asciilifeform 'spice' is pretty good for what it is (mechanism for solving unsolvable problem) [23:38]
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decimation it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile [23:39]
assbot Qucs project: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator [23:39]
asciilifeform used, wasn't particularly impressed [23:40]
decimation wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck [23:40]
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asciilifeform varying degrees of suction [23:40]
asciilifeform the difference is not irrelevant in practice [23:40]
decimation seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver [23:41]
asciilifeform e.g. does it 'let you help', or resists valiantly [23:41]
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asciilifeform due for a really good ai << np-complete. good luck. [23:41]
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decimation well, many problems are NP-complete yet significant gains have been made [23:41]
asciilifeform there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. [23:42]
asciilifeform like kikad's. [23:42]
decimation I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware [23:42]
asciilifeform decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem [23:43]
BingoBoingo My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)... [23:43]
asciilifeform i.e. 100% of users are paying out of someone else's pocket [23:43]
decimation yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware [23:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] [23:44]
asciilifeform 'enterprise!' [23:44]
decimation "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc" [23:44]
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decimation Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island [23:45]
BingoBoingo Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" [23:45]
decimation it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate [23:46]
* BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable... [23:46]
asciilifeform the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc) [23:47]
asciilifeform and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk [23:47]
BingoBoingo I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep.... [23:47]
asciilifeform at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios' [23:48]
asciilifeform not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows [23:48]
asciilifeform MB of... .bat script [23:48]
asciilifeform and other unspeakables [23:48]
asciilifeform if you ever sit and 'my life suxx', consider that people... live with this [23:49]
BingoBoingo I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5 [23:49]
decimation from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl [23:49]
BingoBoingo decimation: Blame Sun for Tcl [23:49]
BingoBoingo Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java [23:50]
BingoBoingo And now the world burns [23:50]
asciilifeform ask why there is a desert, not why the oasis is a puddle of piss [23:50]
asciilifeform (camel gotta piss) [23:51]
BingoBoingo Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months. [23:51]
decimation amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set [23:51]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:51]
BingoBoingo Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap [23:52]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:52]
decimation something other than market forces are operating here [23:52]
asciilifeform educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to? [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00085575 = 6.1614 BTC [+] [23:52]
asciilifeform the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null. [23:53]
BingoBoingo Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks [23:53]
decimation about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests [23:53]
asciilifeform cad app is one of those cases where a 'proper' solution involves essentially re-creating a smbx box [23:55]
BingoBoingo "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores. [23:55]
asciilifeform on top of whatever os you're stuck with [23:55]
BingoBoingo Read more: [23:55]
BingoBoingo " [23:55]
assbot 6 Unexpected Things I Learned From Being a Drug Dealer | [23:55]
BingoBoingo Y tu Sun 5 [23:55]
decimation ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target [23:56]
asciilifeform (in approximately the same way emacs does) [23:56]
asciilifeform decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck [23:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from your link: [23:57]
assbot 6 Works of Propaganda That Backfired in Hilarious Ways | [23:57]
decimation ascii as in super mario brothers? [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24 = 1.92 BTC [+] [23:57]
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