Forum logs for 12 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
Mats_cd03 some trivia: a lord jeffrey is responsible for the biological warfare against the reds, and today he has a bustling college town as his namesake [00:00]
benkay top shelf old mate [00:01]
jborkl ;;tldr mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time [00:01]
gribble Error: "tldr" is not a valid command. [00:01]
jborkl damnit what is it again? [00:01]
mike_c later tell ? [00:02]
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Mats_cd03 wot wot [00:02]
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jborkl ;;later tell mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time [00:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:06]
jborkl thank you mike_c [00:06]
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fluffypony http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/11/microsoft_poised_to_take_web_server_crown_from_apache/ [00:12]
assbot Microsoft poised to take Web server crown from Apache The Register [00:12]
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mircea_popescu benkay so ? [00:20]
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BingoBoingo %book [00:22]
atcbot 20k@265 20k@264 16k@260 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140 [00:22]
benkay "Black population in Africa will become extinct under pressure from (legitimate) Chinese economic interest much in the way Red population in North America became extinct under pressure from (legitimate) European economic interest." [00:22]
benkay sounds like less of an economic pressure and more of an environmental pressure. new predators in the environment. [00:22]
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benkay mircea_popescu: [00:23]
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mircea_popescu it wasn't linguistic pressure [00:24]
mircea_popescu so it was economical [00:24]
mircea_popescu there's not a third. [00:24]
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[]bot Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: booking points over 3110" http://bitbet.us/bet/899/ [00:28]
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benkay gotcha. [00:29]
benkay politics or economics. [00:29]
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benkay why economics over thermodynamics? [00:30]
mircea_popescu but i mean what's the difference [00:30]
jborkl I rarely go to the forums anymore, but I guess all the actm peeps finally figured out it was a scam? [00:30]
benkay i guess its just politics :D [00:30]
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mircea_popescu jborkl nah. [00:31]
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mircea_popescu !up Radi777 [00:31]
-assbot- You voiced Radi777 for 30 minutes. [00:31]
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mike_c !t h am1 [00:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.23211010 / 0.24845358 / 0.26100000 (47 shares, 11.67731831 BTC), 7D: 0.19301000 / 0.26587505 / 0.32900000 (1160 shares, 308.41505284 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.29371218 / 0.50990000 (4694 shares, 1378.68495324 BTC) [00:32]
Radi777 hey guys :) [00:32]
mircea_popescu ello [00:32]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [00:32]
gribble Current Blocks: 305315 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12282280955.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.4718 [00:32]
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jborkl I tried reading the actm thread and gave up, [00:35]
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Mats_cd03 brain hemorrhaging? [00:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 47 @ 0.0245 = 1.1515 BTC [-] [00:37]
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[]bot Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total red cards 18 or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/900/ [00:51]
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[]bot Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins" http://bitbet.us/bet/901/ [00:56]
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fluffypony http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warren-buffetts-30-billion-wager-on-clean-energy-is-one-of-his-safest-bets-yet [01:00]
assbot Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard [01:00]
fluffypony someone should just tell him about BitBet [01:00]
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jurov is either side of that bitbet safe? [01:02]
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[]bot Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: penalty kick success rate over 60%" http://bitbet.us/bet/902/ [01:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 94 @ 0.02392752 = 2.2492 BTC [-] {16} [01:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06999993 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2} [01:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03045714 = 1.066 BTC [+] {2} [01:07]
[]bot Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total USA goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/903/ [01:08]
mircea_popescu Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard << it's very safe. [01:10]
mircea_popescu we all know it's gonna lose, not much dispute. [01:10]
[]bot Bet created: "Blue Jays Flying High At All-Star Break" http://bitbet.us/bet/904/ [01:10]
jurov how so? [01:11]
jurov expecting oil price to keep climbing in comparison to renewables is pretty safe assumption [01:12]
[]bot Bet created: "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ [01:12]
[]bot Bet created: "Neymar Wins Golden Ball" http://bitbet.us/bet/906/ [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01859916 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {2} [01:20]
mircea_popescu the only reason "renewables" seem economical atm is because govt picks up 80% of the tab. [01:23]
mircea_popescu govt won't be able to keep picking up any of the tab in the future, [01:24]
mircea_popescu but won't allow you to divest either. [01:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00085853 = 2.6614 BTC [+] {2} [01:24]
mircea_popescu from a business perspective, renewables = suicide. [01:24]
jurov fossils are heavily subsidised, either [01:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] [01:27]
mike_c BingoBoingo, you still want to sell some no? [01:27]
jurov plus, if musk succeeds to get prices of batteries down [01:29]
mircea_popescu fossils are not subsidised, fossils are taxed [01:29]
jurov .... but dunno i know, maybe it's all just a bubble [01:29]
mircea_popescu about the same 80% [01:29]
mircea_popescu so currently, the situation is that in the marketplace, a kilo of beef costs 11 and a kilo of pork costs 13 [01:29]
mircea_popescu except, the beef costs 48 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 37 loss to the government [01:29]
mircea_popescu whereas pork costs 3 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 10 gain to the government. [01:30]
mircea_popescu the idea that stuff costing 50 will be able to compete with stuff costing 3 once the govt is out of the picture is nutty [01:30]
jurov now the earth gas supplied to europe is which one? [01:30]
mircea_popescu you mean methane ? ch4? [01:31]
jurov here only household gas is subsidised [01:31]
mircea_popescu if you mean natural gas, it's pork. [01:31]
jurov industrial usage is not [01:31]
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jurov how it is a gain to the govt? slovak one, not russian [01:32]
mircea_popescu nobody cares about slovak one :) [01:32]
mircea_popescu the us (and eu) are being crushed atm because they're paying the 37, whereas russia, saudi arabia etc are pocketing the 10 [01:32]
jurov and solar/wind is expensive to install, not to produce [01:34]
BingoBoingo mike_c: I'd be amenable to selling up to half my bitcoin's stake in that bet. [01:34]
jurov the expectation is for the 48 to get down, and for 3 to get up [01:34]
mike_c BingoBoingo: this is b39, right? [01:35]
jurov i really don't know if it's realistic, but i don't think buffett haven't done any math around it [01:35]
mircea_popescu jurov install and maintain. [01:35]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Indeed it is. [01:36]
mircea_popescu jurov i think he's done plenty of math. it goes like this : "im too old to get it up anymore. will be dead soon anyway. who the fuck cares." [01:36]
mike_c and you are offering it at cost, yes? half for 0.5? [01:36]
BingoBoingo mike_c: I'm amenable to offering it at a discount, i.e. selling the 0.5 stake for less than 0.5 BTC. [01:37]
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jurov afaik maintenance is the part that is currently heavily subsidized for fossils [01:37]
mircea_popescu you two are gonna write a gpg contract ? [01:37]
mike_c what fun is that. i'll take it at cost. [01:37]
mircea_popescu this is getting excited. [01:37]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Sold. [01:38]
mike_c k, send addr sometime and i will send payment [01:38]
BingoBoingo mike_c: The payout address for that bet works 1PzuSnKaJsKwgyAqb6sqc5nsw55v2MnHoz [01:39]
mike_c ok. i'm going to send from a hot wallet, so don't send my winnings back there :) [01:39]
mike_c er, shared wallet [01:39]
BingoBoingo Alright. When summer cooks the miners and its time to pay you I'll ask for an address. [01:40]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell TheNewDeal I'm afraid I'm out of 'No' stake to sell without losing my excitement. [01:41]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:41]
TheNewDeal haha mkya [01:41]
TheNewDeal mkay [01:41]
kakobrekla should be an auction or smth [01:41]
BingoBoingo Well, it kind of was. [01:43]
jurov well, stockholm forecast is up to balmy 24C .. not something to fry knc datacenter [01:43]
jurov ove next week [01:44]
jurov where's asicminer housed? [01:44]
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BingoBoingo Well, knc ships miners out to other people doesn't it? I think Asicminer is somewhere costal south China. [01:45]
jurov looks like it's hongkong [01:45]
jurov 33C in Sunday, otherwise less [01:45]
jurov just picked most concentrated spots [01:46]
BingoBoingo I'm also considering less concentrated spots, like the Hillbillies in Texas and the MiddleWest whose data center is their garage. [01:48]
kakobrekla aynone took a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647457.0;topicseen [01:48]
assbot bitsquare.io - The P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange [01:48]
jurov how many asics are there? [01:48]
jurov in hillbillies'garages? [01:48]
jurov pool ddos will have much higher effect imo [01:49]
BingoBoingo Well does Slaughter actually have a datacenter? [01:49]
BingoBoingo I doubt it, but I bet he has a garage. [01:49]
jurov how many % actm has? [01:50]
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BingoBoingo No idea, but there's a bunch of forum tards and such out there... [01:51]
jurov he's using forum tards to generate hashrate? [01:51]
BingoBoingo I think so. [01:51]
BingoBoingo Thank you mike_c [01:53]
mike_c no thank you! we'll be the first ever to make money betting against difficulty :) [01:53]
jurov mike_c rly? [01:53]
mike_c i think we'll lose, but i like the odds now. [01:53]
mike_c jurov: first best greatest [01:54]
jurov iDiff-* was introduced when? a year ago? [01:54]
mike_c nobody has made money on idiffs betting against difficulty, that's for sure. [01:54]
jurov i did [01:54]
mike_c no way. they've all been capped? [01:55]
jurov till tat + asics came around [01:55]
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BingoBoingo lol [01:55]
jurov to be precise, i did not bet against difficulty, too. just sold them at sufficiently high price [01:56]
TheNewDeal actually I made money betting no for april http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ and may http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/ [01:56]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April :: 9.83 B (5%) on Yes, 180.55 B (95%) on No | closed 2 months 3 weeks ago [01:56]
assbot BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? :: 6.44 B (8%) on Yes, 72.03 B (92%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago [01:56]
mike_c fine, we won't be the first. but still best greatest. [01:56]
jurov on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? [01:57]
BingoBoingo !mpif [01:57]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021649 BTC (Total: 433.00 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-] [01:57]
TheNewDeal 1K4Fs has virtually 60% of the no [01:58]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: That's mircea_popescu [01:58]
TheNewDeal indeed [01:58]
BingoBoingo It helps to know the other bettors [01:58]
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BingoBoingo ;;tslb [02:05]
gribble Time since last block: 11 minutes and 24 seconds [02:05]
mircea_popescu on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? << too risky [02:08]
TheNewDeal too frisky?! [02:08]
BingoBoingo Altcoin, Less Risky than Idiff [02:09]
TheNewDeal Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky? [02:09]
mircea_popescu yeah. [02:10]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [02:10]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XARHGT.txt ) [02:11]
mircea_popescu altcoin is pretty much risk free. [02:11]
TheNewDeal on my screen, it shows my message before [02:11]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites [02:12]
BingoBoingo ;;rate TheNewDeal's screen -1 Biased [02:12]
gribble Error: 'screen' is not a valid integer. [02:12]
TheNewDeal hahaha [02:12]
kakobrekla altcoin can only lose 200 satoshi. [02:13]
BingoBoingo %ticker [02:13]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 250 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [02:13]
kakobrekla +- [02:13]
mike_c 57 down, 143 to go [02:13]
BingoBoingo I hope ATC crashes to Doge prices for a while. [02:14]
kakobrekla how much is doge [02:14]
mike_c not with this nethash [02:14]
mike_c it's at like 6 th/s [02:15]
mircea_popescu doge is what, 50 by now ? [02:15]
BingoBoingo %diff [02:15]
kakobrekla which? [02:15]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 502280.32 in 1204 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -29.79 [02:15]
mike_c kakobrekla: atc. [02:15]
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kakobrekla and dropping [02:15]
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mike_c not exactly [02:15]
kakobrekla just approximatley? [02:15]
mike_c nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change. [02:15]
BingoBoingo Doge is about 68 satoshis [02:15]
mike_c that lasted a bit [02:16]
mike_c and now it's at 6 th/s [02:16]
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kakobrekla O_o [02:16]
kakobrekla someone hopping the diff? [02:16]
Apocalyptic yeah unbalanced rent some hashpower [02:16]
mike_c two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers. [02:16]
Apocalyptic to avoid these hoppers [02:16]
mircea_popescu and dropping << nah was -80% a coupla days ago [02:16]
kakobrekla so its dropping less :p [02:17]
mike_c well diff is :) but nethash isn't [02:18]
kakobrekla yeah nethash is just being hopped [02:18]
mike_c yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin. [02:19]
kakobrekla the way of the road. [02:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0233 = 0.233 BTC [-] [02:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00085519 = 4.8746 BTC [-] [03:01]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [03:48]
gribble Current Blocks: 305334 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12251801307.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.21254 [03:48]
mircea_popescu damn it's tight. [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 14 / 1.1756551916903952 [03:50]
gribble 11.9082534564 [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.19 ** (1/3) [03:50]
gribble 1.05969850212 [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.19 ** (1/2) [03:50]
gribble 1.09087121146 [03:50]
BingoBoingo I really don't think we are making it to a third adjustment. [03:51]
mircea_popescu 33 days, of which a week here [03:51]
mircea_popescu so 26. nope. it ain't happening. [03:51]
BingoBoingo The trend says yes, but the externalities say no. [03:52]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/pbz2vxh.jpg [03:53]
BingoBoingo lol, is that Dogecoin trying to build some interest? [03:53]
mircea_popescu soon. [03:54]
BingoBoingo Anyone ever front you that billion Doge to take a short position? [03:54]
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mircea_popescu notrly. [03:55]
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mircea_popescu in spite of all the pretense as to "exchanges" and tips and whatnot, it'd seem 99%+ of all doges are actually held by the admin group [03:56]
mircea_popescu not much of a currency in any sense. [03:56]
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mircea_popescu !up pgp [03:57]
-assbot- You voiced pgp for 30 minutes. [03:57]
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asciilifeform re: doge - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#713298 [03:58]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [03:58]
asciilifeform (it was pushed as 'only for the lulz', note) [03:58]
mircea_popescu i guess so [04:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085428 = 13.1986 BTC [-] {3} [04:01]
benkay hey pgp! [04:03]
benkay ;;gettrust pgp [04:03]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user pgp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=pgp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pgp | Rated since: never [04:03]
benkay huh check out that registration date [04:04]
TheNewDeal info pgp [04:07]
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Apocalyptic I bet it's sub 1024 bit [04:08]
asciilifeform 1024 if i recall. [04:09]
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asciilifeform 'The new, thicker copper layer did resolve the heat build up from the current flow. Temp has been reduced by 20C with the new boards.' (from jborkl, quoting bfl co. lamenting its troubles.) [04:22]
asciilifeform ^ what happens to folks who refuse to do arithmetic before going into production [04:22]
asciilifeform imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this. [04:23]
asciilifeform why this never happens? [04:23]
kakobrekla also preorders [04:23]
asciilifeform and this. [04:23]
asciilifeform i can almost understand taking preorders if you're a broke, ragged dervish. but these folks have already exited that stage. [04:24]
asciilifeform likewise, luring people into preorders to fund a chip fab project almost makes sense. but boards? [04:24]
kakobrekla yea but risk on a chip is far greater [04:26]
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asciilifeform i suspect that: when they tape out a dud asic, they simply... take preorders longer. [04:26]
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asciilifeform !up pgp [04:27]
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kakobrekla dunno then why silicon valley isnt silicon anymore. [04:27]
asciilifeform because usa. [04:28]
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Apocalyptic heh [04:31]
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BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/snowdenbot-wasnt-just-for-ted-now-lives-in-his-aclu-lawyers-office/ [04:34]
assbot Snowdenbot wasnt just for TED, now lives in his ACLU lawyers office | Ars Technica [04:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC [04:35]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wtf is the point? [04:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some people instead of just doing IRC get a small car instead? [04:44]
asciilifeform afaik, these 'robots' were originally intended for 'micromanagement' types to roll around a factory floor, pointing remote-controlled laser pointer at lazy monkeys, mouthing obscenities through speaker [04:44]
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BingoBoingo It still isn't too late for that. [04:47]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from your link: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/us-marshals-step-in-thwart-efforts-to-learn-about-cell-tracking-devices [04:47]
assbot US Marshals step in, thwart efforts to learn about cell tracking devices | Ars Technica [04:47]
asciilifeform ^ turd concerns the use of a well-known mitm gizmo for cellular [04:47]
asciilifeform (consumer pnohes make no effort to authenticate - whatsoever - so this is trivial) [04:48]
BingoBoingo Yeah. Amazing how records request can have problems. [04:48]
asciilifeform the interesting thing is that there is theoretically no need for such a thing, considering that towers are more or less owned by usg [04:48]
BingoBoingo Indeed [04:49]
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asciilifeform so why mitm? answer: manufacture of guilt. [04:52]
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asciilifeform the next 'new york death ray' idiot won't play ball? won't make the necessary phone call? now it can be made... for him. [04:53]
asciilifeform this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs [04:55]
asciilifeform if you can already read, why mitm? answer: for - writing. [04:55]
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asciilifeform in other news: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history [04:59]
assbot Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com [04:59]
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Blazedout419 omg so who is going to buy into sha on havelock? [05:28]
mircea_popescu imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this. << this is a 2012 comment. [05:28]
mircea_popescu you're not meta enough by now [05:28]
mircea_popescu this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple. [05:31]
mircea_popescu it had no access to self-signed certs. [05:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 50 @ 0.042 = 2.1 BTC [05:33]
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mircea_popescu http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history << re this pile of lol [05:35]
assbot Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com [05:35]
mircea_popescu on one hand, the legal principle that dorks a la mari reid & her crew may be kept secret will logically extend to defendants, too. [05:36]
mircea_popescu now any terrorist and any tax evader has good title to refuse any sort of information sharing, much like the prosecutor's own men do. [05:36]
mircea_popescu moreover, they have very little option in the matter, as their safety strictly depends on this sort of secrecy. [05:36]
mircea_popescu basically, technology has already made the state impossible, just at the time bitcoin showed up but mostly unrelated to it. [05:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.26079984 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2} [05:37]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was gonna answer 'but nobody used self-signed certs' - then remembered having done so personally at one point [06:03]
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mircea_popescu plentyof people do. [06:06]
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Mats_cd03 asciilifeform sees monsters in the shadows [06:12]
Mats_cd03 i dunno if i can agree [06:12]
* asciilifeform also sees monsters under floodlight [06:13]
Mats_cd03 it could be much more mundane [06:13]
Mats_cd03 like it costs the telcos money to staff people responding to LEO requests for access [06:13]
Mats_cd03 and mitm is just simpler in execution [06:13]
asciilifeform probably exactly this appears on the grant applications, yes. [06:14]
Mats_cd03 lol [06:14]
asciilifeform incidentally, one can trivially bake the cellular mitm gizmo from consumer hardware. (exercise for alert reader) [06:15]
Mats_cd03 that sounds interesting, go on [06:16]
asciilifeform ;;google verizon network extender hack [06:16]
gribble It's a Cinch for Hackers to Break Into Your Verizon Network - Gizmodo: ; How To Compete With NSA By Hacking a Verizon Network Extender ...: ; DailyTech - Hackers Show Regular (1 more message) [06:16]
Mats_cd03 i was under the impression the equipment for this kind of thing was approaching <$1000 [06:17]
mircea_popescu 10 years ago [06:17]
Mats_cd03 never looked into it [06:17]
asciilifeform ^ vendor declared victory after disabling easy firmware update mechanism on the gadget. board still has jtag port, removable flash, etc. [06:17]
asciilifeform runs linux! [06:17]
asciilifeform used to be that it took actual sweat to source 'miniature tower' radio components [06:18]
Mats_cd03 o, but patched, hrm [06:19]
asciilifeform patch is a joke [06:19]
asciilifeform as described above [06:19]
Mats_cd03 probably [06:19]
asciilifeform not probably - certainly [06:19]
asciilifeform if i like, i desolder the rom and introduce mine. [06:19]
asciilifeform this is a ~$300 gizmo you can buy - retail [06:20]
asciilifeform it sits in your house, you can mutilate it at your pleasure [06:20]
asciilifeform other u.s. telcos have similar products [06:20]
Mats_cd03 how interesting [06:20]
Mats_cd03 do you have a link [06:20]
mircea_popescu http://giant.gfycat.com/InsidiousIncredibleAlpinegoat.gif [06:20]
asciilifeform but this isn't particularly interesting. the interesting part is that everything people speak of as 'inseekoore!' re: cellular comms, was baked in very deliberately - and publicly - at the start. [06:21]
asciilifeform e.g. the toy crypto of gsm [06:21]
Mats_cd03 i generally presume incompetence before malice [06:22]
asciilifeform ;;google A5/1 [06:22]
gribble A5/1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; A5/2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Animation of A5/1 cipher - YouTube: [06:22]
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Mats_cd03 how interesting [06:24]
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asciilifeform before the telco 'network extender' gizmos were sold (incidentally, a scam - the telco still charges for minutes despite using the chump's own local wired bandwidth!) mitm-ing was demonstrated using 'software defined radio' (inexpensive board, does exactly what is printed on the crate) [06:29]
dub femtocells, meh you get to use your handset [06:31]
asciilifeform yeah, pay per minute for the privilege of using own hardware. [06:31]
asciilifeform great deal. [06:32]
dub thats up to provider [06:32]
asciilifeform all u.s. providers, last i checked, charged exactly the same on femtocell. [06:32]
Mats_cd03 neat, ill have something else i can do with the device im ordering [06:32]
Mats_cd03 http://hakshop.myshopify.com/collections/gadgets/products/hackrf [06:32]
assbot HakShop — HackRF Pre-Order [06:33]
dub well if you're counting minutes on your mobile, im sorry [06:33]
Mats_cd03 asciilifeform is probably going to tell me im getting ripped off [06:33]
dub nobody has a hardline these days so its a valid offering [06:33]
asciilifeform for non-u.s. folks - 'landline' phone is poison here, because it is considered fair game for spam (unlike cell) [06:34]
asciilifeform so they're slowly going extinct [06:34]
* asciilifeform never had own landline in entire adult life [06:34]
Mats_cd03 i still get fucking spam [06:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform thye're not so considered in europe but idem gohing extinct [06:34]
Mats_cd03 sucks to suck [06:34]
dub not so slowly tbh [06:35]
Mats_cd03 wait 20 years [06:35]
asciilifeform i can get pseudo-landline (tack-on to fiber terminal) for around 10 usd / mo. but... why? [06:35]
mircea_popescu i had my own landline. it wasn't particularly useful [06:35]
dub I have pots signal on my dsl line but I couldnt tell you the number [06:35]
mircea_popescu (trivial to tap too. if you think gsm cypher is bad, try headset-and-hairpins) [06:36]
Mats_cd03 poor cell tower coverage, necessary to have a working phone in an emergency (e.g. elderly person), zombie apocalypse, etc [06:36]
mircea_popescu internet should be wired, phone wireless. [06:37]
asciilifeform zombie apocalypse with fiber service, right [06:37]
Mats_cd03 i suppose i should scale it back to natural disaster [06:38]
dub the emergency service arguemtn for pots is fast becomming irrelevant as teh network becomes less resilient [06:38]
Mats_cd03 and how is it becoming less resilient [06:39]
asciilifeform the old pots lines are gone where i live. [06:39]
asciilifeform see: [06:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014&bots=true#656208 [06:39]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [06:39]
dub you're not wired back to a full CO anymore and the cabinet has no better battery than a cell tower [06:39]
asciilifeform i've more battery in here than in the cabinets. sad. [06:40]
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BingoBoingo https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=430137.msg7167613#msg7167613 [07:01]
assbot [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk [07:01]
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mircea_popescu and how is it becoming less resilient << no comms network is as resilient as the internet [07:30]
mircea_popescu this, since the 80s. [07:30]
mircea_popescu by now, forger it [07:30]
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cgcardona hi #bitcoin-assets o/ [07:35]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [07:36]
gribble Current Blocks: 305362 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1069 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12309778451.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.70569 [07:36]
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cgcardona_ ok just wanted to check if this nick had any messages [07:37]
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BingoBoingo Ah, cool [07:40]
cgcardona_ ;;ticker [07:41]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.91, Best ask: 629.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 627.9, 24 hour volume: 9746.28690195, 24 hour low: 615.0, 24 hour high: 645.0, 24 hour vwap: 629.9017398 [07:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00085786 = 21.1034 BTC [+] [07:42]
mircea_popescu "The problem here is not the diagnosis, which I share, nor the proposed solutions, which are proper and potent to repel the growing democratic sickness that chokes human creation. Bitcoin provides us a critical escape from forced trust in unaccountable monopolies. However, trust in transactions, per se, should not be the object of ire and in fact cannot be if we want to participate in beneficial ways. Distributed ledg [07:44]
mircea_popescu ers obviate the need for trust in the money changers, but humans are still trust-seeking and Bitcoin is still money and money is still trust. In a post-Bitcoin world, trust will become more important than ever." [07:44]
mircea_popescu dude this chick actually got it. [07:44]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust princessnell [07:45]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user princessnell: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014 [07:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rated princessnell [07:45]
gribble You rated user princessnell on Sun May 11 18:26:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: procurer for the #bitcoin-assets dungeon.. [07:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rate princessnell 2 She's smart. [07:45]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 1 to 2. [07:45]
BingoBoingo Defintely on the ball in ways Ms boring isn't. Forbes picked the loser. [07:47]
penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/11/longshots-in-three-concise-points/ [07:49]
BingoBoingo %book [07:50]
atcbot 20k@264 16k@260 35k@250 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140 [07:50]
BingoBoingo Coinion seems to have stalled out http://www.coinion.com/ [07:53]
assbot The Coinion | Bitcoin's Finest News Source [07:53]
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mircea_popescu hard work, easily tired kids, whats to expect. [08:00]
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BingoBoingo You'd think the incentive your PR dropped for them on the forum would have got them reaching for 300 in a year [08:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "supposing whow " [08:02]
BingoBoingo The coinion kids. [08:03]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354054.msg3878420#msg3878420 [08:03]
assbot Introducing: The Coinion, Bitcoin's Finest News Source! Onion-clone for Bitcoin [08:03]
mircea_popescu http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88277407744/the-shit-triangle [08:04]
assbot the shit triangle - Mystery of the Mundane [08:04]
mircea_popescu someone translate this ? [08:04]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [16:40]
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kakobrekla no takers ? boring. [16:41]
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mircea_popescu hai there persons. [16:41]
dub this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid [16:42]
kakobrekla hi [16:42]
Duffer1 hello [16:42]
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dub ohshi- expedia [16:44]
mircea_popescu benkay: state media academia << ty [16:44]
dub nice [16:44]
davout dub: he's being sardokanastic [16:45]
dub ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard [16:45]
mircea_popescu i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s [16:46]
mircea_popescu ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VBoD92ui70 ) [16:46]
assbot Sandokan Tribute - YouTube [16:46]
kakobrekla some forumite? [16:46]
davout he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite [16:47]
mircea_popescu aha [16:47]
Apocalyptic davout, did he post that on the forum ? [16:49]
davout Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649176.0 [16:49]
assbot New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC [16:49]
mircea_popescu decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago. [16:49]
mircea_popescu o wow wait [16:50]
mircea_popescu phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? [16:50]
mircea_popescu !up blackwhite [16:51]
-assbot- You voiced blackwhite for 30 minutes. [16:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2} [16:51]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot blackwhite [16:51]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user blackwhite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=blackwhite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=blackwhite | Rated since: never [16:51]
mircea_popescu blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud [16:52]
mircea_popescu itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ? [16:52]
blackwhite I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier. [16:52]
blackwhite but getting back to getting more involved again. [16:53]
mircea_popescu blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts. [16:53]
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blackwhite i see [16:53]
davout mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ? [16:54]
mircea_popescu well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ? [16:54]
mircea_popescu his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap. [16:56]
davout two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple [16:56]
Apocalyptic phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? //looks like it [16:56]
mircea_popescu davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing [16:56]
mircea_popescu did he lose two of his three urls ? [16:56]
davout i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = ' '" == 0 [16:57]
mircea_popescu in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paraná, Brazil, the famous Iguazú Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second—33 times the usual water flow rate." [16:57]
davout for two of the urls [16:57]
mircea_popescu davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ? [16:58]
davout i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too [16:58]
davout some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches" [16:58]
Apocalyptic "BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOjCTy9_--/strfxwexmbgnjk7b4nus.jpg now vs then : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--utwlJ8_1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ihl9qhl9yy47q1axnuiv.jpg [16:58]
davout except we didn't have a tor hidden service [16:59]
mircea_popescu davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ? [16:59]
davout i checked for that against a few backups [16:59]
davout no results [16:59]
mircea_popescu what date was the oldest you checked roughly ? [16:59]
davout one of the first things i thought of [16:59]
pankkake What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin? [16:59]
pankkake Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers [16:59]
pankkake French Bitcoiner = AVOID [16:59]
davout i don't really recall from the top of my head [16:59]
davout i tried to find partial url matches too [17:00]
mircea_popescu well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ? [17:00]
davout i tried to search by balances [17:00]
davout a month or two i think [17:00]
mircea_popescu so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ? [17:00]
davout hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions [17:00]
davout that's what the backups convey [17:01]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu [17:02]
assbot As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube [17:02]
mircea_popescu davout did instawallet gpg sign anything ? [17:02]
davout nope [17:02]
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mircea_popescu so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ? [17:02]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them [17:03]
mircea_popescu aha [17:03]
davout i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses" [17:04]
mircea_popescu well he prolly didn't keep records of any kind [17:04]
davout the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information [17:04]
mircea_popescu ok, so were you on vacation at the time of the hax ? [17:04]
davout well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself [17:05]
blackwhite pretty good talk on ethereum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dpjN3Mwps [17:05]
assbot Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube [17:05]
davout so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address [17:05]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used [17:05]
mircea_popescu davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ? [17:06]
fluffypony yes [17:06]
davout once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail [17:06]
davout took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address [17:06]
fluffypony every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence [17:07]
mircea_popescu this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk. [17:07]
davout ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions [17:07]
fluffypony the URLs could be complete bullshit [17:07]
davout mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals [17:07]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe [17:07]
mircea_popescu that ain't gonna work. [17:08]
mircea_popescu aaanyway. so were you on vacation when it happened ? [17:08]
davout fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses [17:08]
davout because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address [17:09]
fluffypony yeah [17:09]
davout he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever [17:09]
mircea_popescu i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk [17:11]
fluffypony yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him [17:12]
pankkake http://bitbet.us/propositions/ okay… [17:12]
assbot BitBet Propositions [17:12]
mircea_popescu fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk [17:13]
mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e largest bit, in may last. when did isntawallet fail again ? [17:13]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e [17:13]
mircea_popescu april [17:14]
fluffypony yeah [17:14]
mircea_popescu actually 100, 400, 460 during may, 100 late april. [17:15]
davout mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU [17:15]
mircea_popescu but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ? [17:15]
mircea_popescu that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ? [17:15]
davout he's imagining there is a liquidator [17:15]
davout i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit [17:15]
mircea_popescu oh. [17:16]
davout it was a post-mortem security audit [17:16]
mircea_popescu i see. [17:16]
davout the guy is very confused [17:16]
davout i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things [17:16]
davout i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble [17:17]
mircea_popescu "Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment." [17:17]
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mircea_popescu is he francophone ? [17:17]
davout he's definitely not francophile [17:17]
mircea_popescu lol [17:17]
fluffypony lol [17:17]
mircea_popescu no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time [17:17]
fluffypony pankkake: I'm betting yes on "tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt" [17:18]
mircea_popescu "Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I [17:18]
mircea_popescu have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress." [17:18]
mircea_popescu wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work [17:18]
mircea_popescu "I prefer to use Rassah as escrow" [17:18]
mircea_popescu so did he fund the bounty or not ? [17:19]
fluffypony nope [17:19]
fluffypony *if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something [17:19]
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davout the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him [17:19]
mircea_popescu fluffypony so then why any need for an escrow? [17:19]
fluffypony nfi [17:19]
fluffypony the whole arrangement is confusing as hell [17:20]
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mircea_popescu so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ? [17:20]
davout also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared [17:20]
fluffypony yes [17:20]
davout http://pastie.org/private/zye2fhscut112d7m1m6ga [17:20]
assbot Private Paste - Pastie [17:20]
mircea_popescu davout do you have a service address ? [17:20]
fluffypony maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him [17:21]
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davout mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY [17:21]
mircea_popescu fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker [17:21]
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mircea_popescu davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process [17:21]
mircea_popescu such as supoenas [17:21]
davout paymium has one [17:22]
mircea_popescu alrighty. [17:22]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general [17:22]
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fluffypony the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour [17:22]
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davout also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013 [17:23]
mircea_popescu davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn' [17:23]
kakobrekla someone mixed propositions for 4chan? [17:23]
mircea_popescu t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that. [17:23]
fluffypony kakobrekla: that's what I'm guessing [17:23]
davout in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued [17:23]
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mircea_popescu davout at this point. [17:24]
fluffypony agreed [17:24]
mircea_popescu there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation [17:24]
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fluffypony once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him [17:24]
chetty so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank? [17:25]
fluffypony chetty: I think so [17:25]
fluffypony give it a spin, let us know how it goes [17:25]
mircea_popescu fluffypony bank'll prolly just pay her. [17:26]
mircea_popescu what do they care. [17:26]
davout gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further [17:26]
fluffypony davout: kk [17:26]
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mircea_popescu i think it's discussed tbh. [17:26]
mircea_popescu ;;notes [17:26]
gribble I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual. [17:26]
mircea_popescu ;;seen Phinnaeus [17:26]
gribble Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: later [17:26]
mircea_popescu maybe if the guy shows up [17:27]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wahahahaha sardokan wins [17:27]
mircea_popescu I don't understand why phinnaeus would pay 400BTC for 50K$, but I can write the agreement with him and make the deal : Davout will send to trusted escrow 50K$ (in dollard or BTC) Phinnaeus will send to escrow 400 BTC when escrow have both, he will send me 400 BTC and send Phinnaeus is 50K$. I will then send 300 BTC to Davout. We will all waive the right to terminate this agreement and to all actions regarding the insta [17:28]
mircea_popescu wallet service. [17:28]
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pankkake my experience of the forum is that there is no shortage of high profile delusional scammers, that of course don't think themselves as such [17:30]
pankkake but davout being a mod there, I don't trust him either! [17:30]
fluffypony he mods the French sub-forum, it's not exactly a position of power [17:31]
Apocalyptic it is to a certain extent [17:31]
pankkake it comes with a special status [17:31]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0 for more lulz [17:32]
assbot Go out french moderator ! [17:32]
mircea_popescu i dunno what to make of this personally. i kinda like phinn and all, but so far this claim of his is not going too far. [17:32]
mircea_popescu i don't doubt he had 1k or so btc at some point, and i don't doubt he genuinely lost it somehow. [17:33]
mircea_popescu now exactly how... [17:33]
* kakobrekla put the poop back in the box [17:33]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2014#714444 << this "put hashes in bitcoin-asset's blockchain" is becoming fashionable i see. [17:36]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:36]
mircea_popescu certainly better than trying to hijack bitcoin's for the purpose of communication. [17:36]
mircea_popescu assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding. << lol someone ain't wearing undies ? [17:37]
mircea_popescu http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/moss-072913-_1_0.jpg << tshirt and knickers, best schoolgirl uniform of 2005 [17:38]
mircea_popescu "I got swept up in the mania last November and dared to invest my life saving into purchasing 1 bitcoin, just as it was near peak. That turned out to be a terrible purchase for me" [17:40]
mircea_popescu heh [17:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707059 = 0.2121 BTC [+] [17:40]
fluffypony "the price didn't move in the direction I expected in 6 months! suicide time!" [17:40]
mircea_popescu I bought several at $1.000, many others at $550, but at the end, I am a looser in term of financial results. [17:40]
mircea_popescu But absolutely Hodling. Never sold any Bitcoin, only bought and HODL [17:40]
mircea_popescu this is a sa job btw. [17:41]
fluffypony sa as in South African? [17:42]
TomServo something awful, I would guess [17:43]
fluffypony oh [17:43]
fluffypony third time I've made that mistake [17:43]
mircea_popescu well because they're pretty irrelevant by now, so you wouldn't normally know. [17:43]
mircea_popescu but yeah, originally it was all "o, how the bitcoiners don't understand basic socialism as canon accepted by everyone" [17:44]
mircea_popescu then it was "o the press in its quest for bullshit is betraying the holy canon of socialism" [17:44]
mircea_popescu by now it's sunk into the depths of pathetic : trying to get a thread going, which gets 6 pages out of which 2/3 is their kindling [17:45]
mircea_popescu i mean any half-literate scammer in sierra-leone can get a good flamewar raging for 500 pages in two weeks, the self appointed cream of teh internets slash intellectual core of progressivism can't even get to 12 ?! [17:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.070706 = 0.8485 BTC [+] [17:48]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [17:48]
gribble Current Blocks: 305435 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12414329811.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.59499 [17:48]
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ThickAsThieves you know it's just gonna explode during the diff before the bet [17:58]
ThickAsThieves it's a diff bear trap [17:58]
mircea_popescu bet is closed by nowi think [18:00]
ThickAsThieves ah [18:01]
mike_c spoken like a man who has been creamed in the past betting against difficulty [18:01]
ThickAsThieves Current weight: 798 [18:01]
mircea_popescu he got it pretty bad at some point i recall, what was it, 50 btc ? [18:01]
ThickAsThieves yep [18:01]
fluffypony http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-empowers-first-global-peer-peer-lender-btcjam/ [18:01]
assbot How Bitcoin Empowers the First Global Peer-to-Peer Lender BTCJam [18:01]
fluffypony 19% APR return for lenders [18:01]
ThickAsThieves btcjam is spamming the web this week [18:02]
ThickAsThieves putting that VC money to use i guess [18:02]
fluffypony yeah [18:02]
mike_c echo "td { overflow: hidden; }" >> bitbet.css [18:02]
mircea_popescu fluffypony they finally figured out that 60% return rate isn't really such a good number ? [18:02]
fluffypony so it would seem [18:02]
mircea_popescu what was their round anyway ? i forget [18:03]
mircea_popescu http://www.aysa.com.ar/index.php?id_seccion=725 << anyone notice anything ? [18:04]
ThickAsThieves undisclosed [18:04]
assbot .: AySA - Agua y Saneamientos Argentinos S.A. :. [18:04]
mircea_popescu "PHP has encountered an Access Violation at 01C20AFD" [18:05]
ThickAsThieves we need some new diff bets [18:06]
mircea_popescu prolly ya [18:07]
kakobrekla mike_c ? [18:08]
ThickAsThieves this one is pretty good http://bitbet.us/bet/877/difficulty-over-21bn-by-summers-end-2014/ [18:09]
assbot BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 0.6 B (55%) on Yes, 0.48 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 90`314 (100`000 to 3) [18:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800105 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2} [18:09]
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mircea_popescu ya not so bad [18:11]
malaimo mariorz Mats_cd03 MCM-Mike miaoux midnightmagic mikaeldice_ mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ mjr_ MobGod mod6 moiety mthreat [18:12]
mircea_popescu o look it's a kitten! where've you been moiety [18:12]
moiety hello! [18:12]
moiety i've had such a disater moving! i've had no internet [18:12]
mircea_popescu taking the sex weeks literally ? [18:12]
moiety disaster* [18:12]
moiety lol well i am finally in and almost out of the other one [18:12]
moiety relying on transport help is not good for moving [18:13]
mircea_popescu lol so i moved across the ocean faster than you did across town ? [18:14]
mike_c kakobrekla: does opera render diffrently on proposition page? those crazy titles go off my screen [18:14]
moiety I'm sorry i didn't even have email. flipping library is being refurbed. how is everyone? [18:14]
moiety lolpretty much mircea_popescu i ran out of funds half way and was in this empty flat for a few days [18:15]
mircea_popescu pretty great. you have the logs of all time to go through now :D [18:15]
mircea_popescu but yeah, i wasn't in rift for about a month, people were throwing a fit [18:15]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 73(Y):27(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.175 BTC. Current weight: 90,308. [18:17]
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moiety honestly i wish id had the logs when i had no internet lol have you all settled in now then mircea_popescu? [18:17]
mircea_popescu yeah [18:17]
kakobrekla mike_c i see this in opera and chrome http://i.imgur.com/62OkoI9.png [18:17]
mike_c (latest?) chrome: http://i.imgur.com/9jfHPjY.png [18:18]
mircea_popescu http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/ [18:19]
assbot Website Overview for http://bitbet.us/propositions/ [18:19]
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kakobrekla doesnt your browser know of word-wrap: break-word; [18:20]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/heretic-salmon-teriyaki/ [18:21]
mike_c you mean "word-break: break-word;" [18:22]
kakobrekla hum? [18:23]
fluffypony that looks delicious, mircea_popescu [18:23]
kakobrekla break-break: broken-break; ? [18:23]
fluffypony I think I'm going to try that this w/e and report back [18:23]
mircea_popescu it was pretty good. [18:23]
fluffypony advantage of having a vegetarian wife: more for me [18:23]
mircea_popescu more food for you, better sex for you ? [18:23]
mircea_popescu yeah, veggie wives aren't so bad. [18:23]
fluffypony a win-win! [18:23]
mike_c break broken, looks like you fixed it? [18:24]
fluffypony of course, she'll probably outlive me by 20 years, but c'est la vie [18:24]
mircea_popescu women do that anyway [18:24]
mircea_popescu actually someone should make a lolpost about "break the age glass ceiling! women should be killed off by the government so that on average they live as long as men!!11" [18:25]
kakobrekla mike_c i just made your browser reload css [18:25]
mike_c versioned statics are good. [18:25]
mike_c working now, thank you for hitting ctrl-r for me. [18:26]
kakobrekla :) [18:26]
Apocalyptic kako is the css wizard [18:26]
kakobrekla nah [18:26]
mircea_popescu http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/ << clearly problem exists between mike_c monitor and mike_c's chair :D [18:26]
kakobrekla also thats an insult [18:26]
assbot Website Overview for http://bitbet.us/propositions/ [18:26]
Apocalyptic :) [18:26]
mike_c psh, no pebkac. [18:26]
fluffypony glasses maybe? [18:27]
mircea_popescu yes. one glass of scotch [18:27]
mircea_popescu one glass of ice. [18:27]
fluffypony lol [18:27]
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mircea_popescu !up surf [18:27]
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mircea_popescu moiety you still have a btc with me, got an address yet ? [18:28]
fluffypony moiety: just use Instawallet [18:29]
fluffypony :-P [18:30]
mircea_popescu lol [18:30]
moiety i do but there's a lot of time left [18:32]
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kakobrekla re propositions and rss, do you ppl want pending and approved/rejected sources or just the latter [18:40]
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mircea_popescu just dump them all in there with a flag [18:42]
kakobrekla ? [18:42]
mike_c that would be more json than rss [18:45]
kakobrekla id rather to json tbh [18:46]
kakobrekla rss is retarded [18:46]
kakobrekla if i would be the author if it, id kill myself. [18:47]
mircea_popescu so do json [18:47]
mircea_popescu IN rss :D [18:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c doesn't rss have field extensibility ? you gotta use cdata ? [18:48]
mike_c it's more that rss is for updates. so you have entry for pending, then later an entry for approved/rejected? [18:49]
kakobrekla or 2 sources [18:50]
fluffypony Gaven Andresen answered a question on Reddit, it's nice to know Redditards have switched from religious metaphors to pop culture: [18:50]
fluffypony http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27ye08/serious_i_couldnt_answer_this_question_when/ci5peas [18:50]
assbot kinoshitajona comments on [Serious] I couldn't answer this question when discussing Bitcoin with my Dad: Isn't it sometimes beneficial to allow governments to stabilise their currency if there is uncontrollable inflation/deflation due to unavoidable events? Wouldn't a global currency cause poorer countries to be left behind? [18:50]
Mats_cd03 lol [18:51]
mike_c how will argentina issue worthless bonds in bitcoin?? [18:51]
mike_c maybe bitbet propositions issue is simply solved by showing all props for last 30 days. [18:52]
mike_c instead of just 50 or whatever [18:52]
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mircea_popescu of fucking course a global currency would cause poorer countriesd to be left behind [18:59]
benkay http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu // holy forces of nature, buttman [18:59]
assbot As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube [18:59]
mircea_popescu that is the fucking point of currency and more generally life on earth. so that lazier kids get left behind in footbal practice, and that dumber kids get left behind dating [19:00]
mircea_popescu and on and fucking on. [19:00]
mircea_popescu benkay ya, wanna go whitewatering ? :D [19:00]
chetty http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2014/06/solar-flares-disrupt-communications-on-earth-could-send-shockwave-on-friday-the-13th/ [19:00]
assbot Solar Flares Disrupt Communications on Earth, Could Send Shockwave on Friday the 13th - ABC News [19:00]
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benkay if it gets you in a barrel and over the falls sign me up [19:00]
mircea_popescu o no! [19:00]
benkay oh yes [19:01]
benkay con3 [19:01]
benkay i like this part of the logs where i can ignore the derping about some idiot trying to scam davout [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share [19:02]
[]bot Bet created: "Difficulty change to block 308448 13% or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/907/ [19:03]
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kakobrekla anyway http://bitbet.us/propositions/?json and http://bitbet.us/propositions/?json&limit=123 [19:07]
kakobrekla default is 50 [19:07]
benkay wait that was hardly any logs at all [19:09]
mike_c i like how the query parameters are order-dependent :D [19:10]
benkay positional url parameters [19:11]
mike_c http://xkcd.com/927/ [19:11]
benkay nice [19:11]
assbot xkcd: Standards [19:11]
mike_c very pythonic, *args and **kwargs [19:11]
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kakobrekla fuck you haxors! [19:12]
benkay "yeah sure, i'll take whatever you throw at me." [19:12]
benkay "just a big gaping hole over here - please to insert datadicks" [19:12]
mircea_popescu did kako just ruin bitbet ? [19:12]
kakobrekla not yet. [19:13]
benkay https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp56F_UCEAA1UCa.jpg [19:13]
mike_c ^ lol [19:13]
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nubbins` hi [19:16]
nubbins` lel @ davout [19:16]
benkay mornins [19:16]
nubbins` (re: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649176.0) [19:16]
assbot New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC [19:16]
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nubbins` ;;view [19:27]
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bigtip ;;ratingsystem getrating assbot bigtip [19:44]
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bigtip ;;ratingsystem getrating bigtip [19:44]
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mircea_popescu bigtip never seen you before :p [19:48]
mircea_popescu welcome [19:48]
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Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, the salmon looks really delicious, so far I knew how to cook a similar dish, without the wine and spice though [19:52]
mircea_popescu why without the wine and spice ? [19:54]
mike_c ;;seen unbalanced [19:54]
mircea_popescu but anyway, salmon isvery tolerant. you can eat it raw, you can eat it cooked to any degree [19:54]
gribble unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything [19:54]
mircea_popescu oft times ill just put it to fire for a few minutes and have it for breakfast [19:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c ya tell him to come over [19:54]
mircea_popescu i wanna congratulat him on his atc purchase [19:55]
Apocalyptic yeah, I often eat it raw [19:55]
Apocalyptic why without the wine and spice ? // that's the way I learnt it [19:55]
chetty wine is not a usual ingredient of teriyaki [19:55]
Apocalyptic indeed [19:55]
mircea_popescu rice wine is, yes! [19:55]
Apocalyptic oh rice wine [19:55]
mircea_popescu well ? [19:55]
chetty rice wine vinegar [19:55]
Apocalyptic I don't make my own teriyaki, sadly [19:56]
chetty but to be fair he did say it was heretic version :) and sounds pretty good [19:57]
mircea_popescu balsamic + wine ~= rice wine + vinegar [19:57]
asciilifeform 'I realized that I’ve never touched a fax machine before—that it’s as abstract, for me, as the laser guns...' << clearly never dealt with usg. fax is mandatory to this day! [19:57]
mircea_popescu maybe had lawyers [19:59]
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asciilifeform afaik usg contractors still submit invoices via fax. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu Ok so here's a story : BitBet curently has 19 World Cup bets open. The average bet on these is .175 (excluding house and mpif), like so .79, .44, 0, .21, .60, .10, .54, .03, 0, 0, .01, 0, .05, .28, .01, .04, 0, .11, .11. Now, on top of these, there's no less than 30 bets pending approval on WC, pretty much "X country will advance from groups". [20:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31597 @ 0.00082955 = 26.2113 BTC [+] [20:11]
mircea_popescu obviously mods wanted to consult. now, in the spirit of being in argentina and these people loving the wc, i ok'd the whole bulk [20:12]
* asciilifeform read backwards, parsed wc as watercloset [20:12]
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mircea_popescu but, let me point out, this is pretty horrible business for bitbet, per se. and obviously, i'll be using this data to inform further decisions on what to accept. [20:12]
mircea_popescu so logically a) if you wonder later why your zeroconf sports bet got rejected by mods, the reason ios probably here and b) if you want to see sport bets on bitbet, this is a bad time to sit and watch and a great time to get involved. [20:13]
[]bot Bet created: "Brazil will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/908/ [20:13]
mike_c sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. [20:13]
mike_c Bet created: "Much grass will grow while waiting for somebody to score a goal" [20:15]
[]bot Bet created: "Croatia will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/909/ [20:15]
mike_c you argentines should be watching manu ginobli beat the crap out of lebron. [20:16]
mircea_popescu obviously also a great time to affliate bitbet, but then again, i couldn't even find an affiliate manager at all [20:16]
mircea_popescu apparently everyone wants to sit on his ass and derp on reddit about things, nobody wants to work anymore [20:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c what's a manu ginobli [20:17]
[]bot Bet created: "Mexico will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/910/ [20:17]
mike_c an awesome argentine basketball player currently winning the nba finals. [20:17]
mircea_popescu aok [20:17]
mike_c there's a couple frenchies winning too. [20:18]
[]bot Bet created: "Cameroon will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/911/ [20:19]
mike_c amazingly, after getting drilled in the ribs, one of the frenchies did not immediately give up but played through! [20:20]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [20:20]
[]bot Bet created: "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ [20:21]
[]bot Bet created: "Chile will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/913/ [20:21]
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[]bot Bet created: "Australia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/914/ [20:22]
[]bot Bet created: "Netherlands will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/915/ [20:22]
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[]bot Bet created: "Colombia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/916/ [20:27]
nubbins` what exactly is an affiliate manager, anyway [20:27]
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nubbins` also, what's pacific salmon like? i've only ever had atlantic :( [20:28]
nubbins` except for that one time in japan, but that was a long time ago and also my first sushi experience [20:28]
nubbins` so the whole thing is a bit rose-colored [20:28]
[]bot Bet created: "Greece will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/917/ [20:28]
[]bot Bet created: "Japan will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/918/ [20:30]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` this is atlantic noob :D [20:31]
mircea_popescu and an affiliate manager is a guy who knows a lot of affiliate marketeers who trust him. [20:31]
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* asciilifeform only ever heard of 'affiliate marketeer' as euphemism for spammer [20:31]
nubbins` i swear i didn't confuse argentina with chile :( [20:32]
mircea_popescu lol [20:32]
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[]bot Bet created: "Cote d'Ivoire will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/919/ [20:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't even know what the state of the industry is anymore. 20 years ago you had the legitimate folk and then the dumb noobs pretending, much like in bitcoin [20:33]
mircea_popescu maybe in the meanwhile it died, i dunno. probable, judging by the fact that everyone i used to know back then is off the grid. [20:33]
kakobrekla ascii has it [20:33]
asciilifeform if it was once alive - now dead, replaced by scar tissue [20:33]
mircea_popescu i guess so. sad. [20:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, in 1994 a good affiliate could send you even 100k clicks which'd convert upwards of 10% [20:34]
mircea_popescu at an average sale of ~60, you do the math. [20:34]
[]bot Bet created: "Uruguay will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/920/ [20:35]
[]bot Bet created: "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/921/ [20:36]
kakobrekla i think lots of such people moved to seo and such [20:36]
kakobrekla which is also a scam [20:36]
benkay sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. // implying footie's not a sport? [20:37]
mircea_popescu im prettysure they were doing plenty of seo whatever back then [20:37]
mircea_popescu except back then it actually worked [20:37]
mike_c benkay: affirmative. [20:37]
mircea_popescu 295 results found [20:38]
[]bot Bet created: "Italy will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/922/ [20:38]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/895/yankees-to-get-most-all-star-selections/ [20:38]
assbot BitBet - Yankees to get most all-star selections :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 94`494 (100`000 to 1) [20:38]
mircea_popescu look at that junk [20:38]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/887/billy-hamilton-rookie-of-the-year/ [20:38]
assbot BitBet - Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year :: 0.08 B (45%) on Yes, 0.09 B (55%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 96`230 (100`000 to 1) [20:39]
Apocalyptic heavy betters indeed [20:39]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/878/dee-gordon-most-stolen-bases-2014/ [20:39]
assbot BitBet - Dee Gordon, Most Stolen Bases 2014 :: 0.07 B (70%) on Yes, 0.03 B (30%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 92`205 (100`000 to 1) [20:39]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/837/nadal-to-win-french-open/ [20:40]
assbot BitBet - Nadal to win French Open :: 0.13 B (59%) on Yes, 0.09 B (41%) on No | closed 1 week 1 day ago [20:40]
mircea_popescu basically this is the best proof bitcoin is populated by nerds [20:40]
mircea_popescu 0 interest in sports. [20:40]
benkay sports betting is a mass thing anyways, isn't it? [20:40]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/788/a-golfer-from-usa-will-win-the-2014/ [20:40]
assbot BitBet - A golfer from USA will win the 2014 Masters :: 0.06 B (47%) on Yes, 0.07 B (53%) on No | closed 2 months 2 days ago [20:40]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/765/okc-thunder-to-top-nba-regular-season-rankings/ [20:40]
assbot BitBet - OKC Thunder to top NBA regular season rankings :: 0.03 B (30%) on Yes, 0.07 B (70%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago [20:40]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/879/joel-embiid-to-be-1-nba-draft-pick/ [20:40]
assbot BitBet - Joel Embiid to be #1 NBA Draft Pick :: 0.22 B (71%) on Yes, 0.09 B (29%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 90`156 (100`000 to 75`000) [20:40]
kakobrekla well that kuka bet was kinda interesting until it was shown its scripted [20:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c you know nba isn't doing SO much better [20:41]
diametric i can't wait for the berkshire bet to resolve. [20:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla right ? nerdiest thing ever. [20:41]
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mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/ [20:41]
assbot BitBet - An Eastern Conference team will win the NBA Finals :: 0.97 B (43%) on Yes, 1.28 B (57%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago [20:41]
mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/842/spurs-to-win-2014-nba-finals/ [20:41]
assbot BitBet - Spurs to win 2014 NBA Finals :: 0.8 B (41%) on Yes, 1.13 B (59%) on No | closed 1 week 17 hours ago [20:41]
kakobrekla its sports! [20:41]
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mircea_popescu mike_c you know break even is 10 btc pool right ? [20:42]
kakobrekla but yea, bitcoin people only interested in bitcoin. [20:42]
[]bot Bet created: "Switzerland will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/923/ [20:42]
mike_c well, that's not quite true. you do keep one of the house bets. [20:42]
kakobrekla ditch the other categories. [20:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC [20:43]
mircea_popescu mike_c a that's true. so i guess 5. [20:43]
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kakobrekla new categories: difficulty, price action, stocks, arrests. [20:43]
mircea_popescu well guess what! in the past year there's exactly one sports bet that went over 5. you know which ? [20:43]
mircea_popescu the halep french open one [20:43]
[]bot Bet created: "Ecuador will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/924/ [20:44]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla definitely sports don't merit their own category im thinking. [20:44]
[]bot Bet created: "France will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/925/ [20:44]
[]bot Bet created: "Honduras will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/926/ [20:44]
mircea_popescu the way I figure it, if the wc set fails to attract 500 btc total pool, we'll just ditch sports as a category and mostly reject all proposed sports bet without zeroconf [20:45]
kakobrekla but it helps to keep that part separated from the good part [20:45]
[]bot Bet created: "Argentina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/927/ [20:45]
mircea_popescu just put em all in misc [20:45]
asciilifeform some reason i imagined sport bets were a 'major thing' (not for me personally, but for a mythical 'unwashed mass waiting to arise') [20:45]
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asciilifeform turns out, no? [20:46]
mircea_popescu seems not. [20:46]
mircea_popescu unwashed masses wish to arise THOUGH WAITING [20:46]
mircea_popescu not through anythingelse. [20:46]
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kakobrekla perhaps yea if its presented circle like [20:46]
mircea_popescu tlp actually has a good write-up for this [20:46]
kakobrekla or whatever its called [20:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla do me a favour, calculat ethe sum pool over the sports bets past 365 days [20:46]
kakobrekla kay [20:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but that's the same bitcents they do here [20:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one hypothesis: the sports aficionados are... broke [20:47]
mircea_popescu maybe [20:47]
mike_c another: they aren't used to betting on games parimutuel style [20:48]
[]bot Bet created: "Bosnia and Herzegovina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/928/ [20:48]
* assbot gives voice to los_pantalones [20:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c prolly a large factor also. [20:48]
los_pantalones as a sports betting person myself [20:48]
[]bot Bet created: "Iran will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/929/ [20:48]
los_pantalones i can say the bitbet contracts don't really do it for me [20:48]
los_pantalones b/c i need a very last second bet [20:48]
los_pantalones and live betting during the event [20:48]
[]bot Bet created: "Nigeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/930/ [20:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c the other way to formulate this is, sports bettors are not motivated by the money. they expect specific sorts of services provided [20:49]
mircea_popescu for which bitbet is poorly fitted [20:49]
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los_pantalones mircea_popescu like what ? [20:49]
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mircea_popescu los_pantalones drinks, tits, streaming game, betting tips, a whole atmosphere such as it is [20:49]
los_pantalones nah nah, i do online [20:49]
los_pantalones i need in game [20:49]
mircea_popescu in exchange for which they don't mind -50% EV [20:49]
los_pantalones but i like trading vol [20:50]
los_pantalones it's not a prediction game [20:50]
mircea_popescu explain this trading vol thing [20:50]
los_pantalones we spoke briefly about this before, bitbet is well suited to get an accurate prediction [20:50]
los_pantalones did you ever use tradesports? [20:50]
los_pantalones back in the day [20:50]
los_pantalones all binary bets [20:50]
mircea_popescu i don't actually bet [20:50]
los_pantalones live before and during event [20:50]
los_pantalones let's say event is mp vs pnts trades 0 to 100 [20:51]
mircea_popescu line style ? [20:51]
los_pantalones no [20:51]
los_pantalones you are pummeling me early, look fat and out of shape [20:51]
mike_c contract bets. with bids/asks. [20:51]
los_pantalones trades near 10 [20:51]
los_pantalones i come back in the second round, look better [20:51]
los_pantalones moves to 20 [20:51]
los_pantalones there is constant volume [20:51]
los_pantalones works really well in basketball [20:51]
los_pantalones big halftime lead, line moves too far to the edge [20:52]
los_pantalones just fade it [20:52]
los_pantalones there is vol in the expectation of the outcome of the event during the event, the price moves [20:52]
los_pantalones i enjoy that [20:52]
los_pantalones i hate the sportsbook type trading [20:52]
los_pantalones where you can only bet one side, so bitbet already better in that regard [20:52]
los_pantalones but still retains the fixed bet part [20:53]
mircea_popescu im not sure why you think what you're describing isn't already present on bitbet. [20:53]
los_pantalones when do the sports bets close? [20:53]
mircea_popescu at some point after the event/ [20:53]
mike_c it doesn't have fixed odds [20:54]
[]bot Bet created: "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/ [20:54]
mike_c odds change [20:54]
[]bot Bet created: "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/ [20:54]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones let me translate what you just described in bitbet terms. [20:54]
mircea_popescu so, on 1st of month bet MP vs LP is made. game is set for 5th. bet closes on 7th. [20:54]
[]bot Bet created: "Ghana will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/933/ [20:54]
los_pantalones looking at bosnia will advance to group stage, the betting closes 23-06-2014, is that after the last potential match [20:55]
mircea_popescu at game start on 5th, weighted pots are 57k MP 33k LP [20:55]
[]bot Bet created: "USA will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/934/ [20:55]
los_pantalones ah, well, then i am absolutely wrong [20:55]
mircea_popescu and weight is whatever, 85k [20:55]
los_pantalones i was under the impression the bet closed before the event [20:55]
los_pantalones i will now promptly go bet [20:55]
mircea_popescu one hour later, weight being 84,500 you decide to buy more LP [20:55]
mircea_popescu pot moves 57k to 37k [20:55]
mircea_popescu so odds went from [20:55]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 57/33 [20:55]
gribble 1.72727272727 [20:55]
mircea_popescu to [20:55]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 57/37 [20:56]
gribble 1.54054054054 [20:56]
kakobrekla ;;calc 67703615976/100000000 [20:56]
gribble 677.03615976 [20:56]
mircea_popescu then you want to push the other way ? bet a little more on mp. so its now 58k to 37k [20:56]
mircea_popescu etc [20:56]
los_pantalones yes yes, i am a wrong here [20:56]
los_pantalones and here i go [20:56]
los_pantalones to place me bets [20:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that can't be past year. it must be all time [20:56]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones which is why i need a bunch of fucking affiliates [20:56]
mircea_popescu to explain this to people, who otherwise would be betting [20:57]
los_pantalones http://bitbet.us/bet/539/brazil-will-win-fifa-world-cup-2014/ [20:57]
assbot BitBet - Brazil will win FIFA World Cup 2014 :: 0.49 B (26%) on Yes, 1.41 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 day 6 hours | weight: 486 (100`000 to 1) [20:57]
[]bot Bet created: "Algeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/935/ [20:57]
los_pantalones this closes in 1 day [20:57]
mircea_popescu AND the beauty of parimutuel is that you can always adjust your exposure to a pot % [20:57]
mircea_popescu so you never motherfucking get taken out of the game [20:57]
[]bot Bet created: "Russia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/936/ [20:57]
mircea_popescu you wish to have 1% of the pot, you can make sure you do no matter what happens [20:58]
mike_c *provided infinite capital. [20:58]
los_pantalones why does this brazil to win bet close in 30 hours ? [20:58]
mircea_popescu mike_c provided you own the % of total world capital that you wish your % of the pool to be [20:58]
mircea_popescu if you own 1% of all bitcoin, you're guaranteed a 1% slice of any bet pool you ever wish to have. [20:58]
[]bot Bet created: "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ [20:58]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones oh fuck. [20:59]
mircea_popescu you bring a motherfucking VERY GOOD POINT don't you,. [20:59]
los_pantalones ok, i'm not crazy! [20:59]
kakobrekla bah i always mix gte and lte. [20:59]
mircea_popescu i broke the model in the implementation ;/ [20:59]
los_pantalones yes! [20:59]
los_pantalones say it! [20:59]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck. [20:59]
los_pantalones say "my bad" [20:59]
kakobrekla 258.82066273 satoshi over 166 [20:59]
los_pantalones here i was, feeling like a lazy asshole [20:59]
kakobrekla eh [20:59]
kakobrekla satoshi = btc [21:00]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones my bad :D [21:00]
los_pantalones nice! [21:00]
los_pantalones i can die a happy man [21:00]
kakobrekla ;;calc 258/166 [21:00]
gribble 1.55421686747 [21:00]
kakobrekla O_o [21:00]
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mircea_popescu anyway, this bitchfest of mine has yielded quite actionable advice from the chan that's +IQ [21:00]
mircea_popescu specifically, i'll make the mods put close dates for sports bets AFTER the event. [21:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla of which 201 arefrom the cointoss [21:01]
los_pantalones sweet, the existing WC events will be adjusted [21:01]
mircea_popescu so 57 over 166. [21:01]
los_pantalones or just for future [21:01]
los_pantalones b/c i would like to participate [21:01]
mircea_popescu meh. [21:01]
mircea_popescu o how have i sinned ;/ [21:02]
benkay too bad about that mircea_popescu bitbet, eh [21:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla hey listen, we take the close date on the recent WC batch from 24th to 26th ? [21:03]
kakobrekla i hate you but ok [21:04]
mircea_popescu i hate me too. [21:04]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones there. [21:04]
kakobrekla from which to which id is this ? [21:05]
mircea_popescu 908 to 937 [21:06]
mircea_popescu and add 1 to close too [21:06]
mircea_popescu 26 close 27 resolve [21:06]
mircea_popescu give people a fucking chance with the bets clearing [21:06]
kakobrekla not all end the same day as it is now [21:08]
kakobrekla we want all on 26 regardless ? [21:08]
mircea_popescu hm lemme look at this again [21:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25037377 BTC [-] [21:08]
chetty http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2656101/Clever-boy-Dogs-prefer-EARN-treats-solving-problems-receiving-handouts.html [21:09]
assbot Clever boy! Dogs prefer to EARN treats by solving problems, rather than receiving handouts | Mail Online [21:09]
kakobrekla some are 23th some 24th [21:09]
mircea_popescu just do it like this : current resolutrion date becomes close date [21:09]
mircea_popescu new resolution date becomes that +1 day [21:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25036387 = 0.5007 BTC [-] [21:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02982307 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2} [21:10]
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mircea_popescu i wonder if people's cvs will end up including links to ba logs where i go "my bad" [21:13]
los_pantalones great point [21:13]
los_pantalones i will def list that [21:13]
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benkay mine has the links to my few good ideas [21:14]
mircea_popescu o and ALSO... make close weight 10k [21:14]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ [21:14]
kakobrekla rm -rf /bitbet [21:15]
mircea_popescu :( [21:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: knuth's typo cheques [21:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah i was thinking that [21:15]
los_pantalones oh come to think of it, i love the decay feature of the bitbet on a live event [21:16]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones yes but 100k to 1 is too much for sports. [21:16]
los_pantalones prevents all the last minute people glomming onto the trade [21:16]
mircea_popescu consider our case. bet is made on 1st. weight is 100k. if someone puts 10 btc on it then, it's sealed. [21:16]
los_pantalones yeah, agreed, just hadn't even thought that through [21:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2200 @ 0.0000628 = 0.1382 BTC [-] [21:16]
mircea_popescu but if the most it collects is the few bicents we mostly get currently, [21:16]
mircea_popescu then a few bitcoin bets during the event make sense, even if they're 1/10 weight [21:16]
mircea_popescu but NOT if they're 1/100000 [21:17]
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mircea_popescu so from now on, sports bets will end at 10k, and close after the event. [21:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4576 @ 0.00082137 = 3.7586 BTC [-] [21:17]
los_pantalones mircea_popescu, you are a gentleman and a scholar, tyvm [21:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038479 BTC [+] [21:18]
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mircea_popescu !up PoUpA [21:19]
-assbot- You voiced PoUpA for 30 minutes. [21:19]
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mircea_popescu this should also work nicely with []bot's live streaming of bets. [21:20]
mircea_popescu -assets will become this place to watch sports! [21:20]
los_pantalones just what we all wanted [21:20]
los_pantalones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7u9hP4r1S8&feature=kp [21:20]
assbot Sports! | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube [21:20]
mircea_popescu no idea what i'll do with this entertainment section tho, it's even more fucked up than sports currently. [21:20]
asciilifeform potentially serious flaw: -assets cannot yet pour beer. [21:21]
Apocalyptic beer is overrated [21:21]
mircea_popescu and with this little adventure, Confirmed bets: 10009 [21:24]
mircea_popescu we crossed 10k [21:24]
mircea_popescu Confirmed total: 14820 BTC. so like 1.482 btc average pool [21:24]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [21:24]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 616.93, Best ask: 618.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 616.93, 24 hour volume: 8565.07142918, 24 hour low: 613.71, 24 hour high: 640.79, 24 hour vwap: 623.452038028 [21:24]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 623.452038028 * 1.482 [21:24]
gribble 923.955920357 [21:24]
mircea_popescu heh. [21:24]
mircea_popescu http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/comment/blonde-james-bond-funny-pictures-634373.jpeg [21:26]
benkay o.O [21:27]
benkay more girls naked in public please and less...horrorshow. [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038589 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039089 = 0.5008 BTC [+] {2} [21:29]
mircea_popescu a ok [21:30]
kakobrekla >Confirmed bets: 10044 [21:30]
kakobrekla thanks to sports spam. [21:30]
kakobrekla but hey, congrats mircea_popescu . [21:30]
mircea_popescu no u [21:30]
kakobrekla NO U [21:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039599 = 0.5008 BTC [+] [21:30]
mircea_popescu :* [21:31]
kakobrekla <3 [21:31]
mircea_popescu wait is that a heart or a butt [21:31]
asciilifeform gramophone horn [21:32]
jurov i hate how this question comes to me at exactly such moment.. S.MPOE dividend was not paid yet? [21:32]
mircea_popescu jurov which one ? [21:32]
jurov may [21:32]
mircea_popescu may smpoe report will come june with the june report [21:33]
mircea_popescu twas in teh logs [21:33]
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jurov ok [21:33]
kakobrekla wait is that a heart or a butt < buartt [21:33]
mircea_popescu lol [21:33]
jurov and thus, "it's in the logs" meme was born. [21:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17327 @ 0.00082239 = 14.2496 BTC [+] {2} [21:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, to try and patch things up with benkay [21:38]
mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/480ed4c73785526aafbf545c3de32dc7/tumblr_n0ub91DyCI1sn33z3o1_400.jpg [21:38]
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benkay so underwhelm. [21:38]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/f84c58f51f22c78593520d54d4d2a3ff/tumblr_n1wk269E0E1ro88meo1_500.jpg [21:39]
benkay mas [21:40]
benkay <3 [21:40]
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mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/67144e7e062eccc1d53429021583efda/tumblr_n5wy0rykS41s9e2ofo1_500.jpg [21:41]
benkay haha excellent. [21:42]
mircea_popescu perv. [21:43]
jurov it's possible to have direct links for a category? [21:43]
jurov http://bitbet.us/browse/?filtercat=Sports does not work [21:44]
assbot Browse BitBet [21:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00082672 = 30.0926 BTC [+] [21:44]
jurov i want to spam around with "bet on worldcup nao", such link would help [21:45]
jurov ofc it should accept ?ref [21:45]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla might be able to halp :D [21:45]
kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/browse/sports/ [21:45]
mircea_popescu benkay http://38.media.tumblr.com/d108bbd1b3fe167f8aeebcfbceccd90b/tumblr_n5wx6awLOi1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg [21:45]
assbot Browse BitBet [21:45]
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mircea_popescu and http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c9afc9d5501435c6196c8cf11861901/tumblr_n5wx2kmAoy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg [21:45]
kakobrekla it accepts ref [21:45]
jurov lol kakobrekla, that was very exhausting answer [21:46]
kakobrekla categories are linked from single bet view [21:46]
kakobrekla you can click on cat name [21:46]
kakobrekla except if its manul. [21:47]
mircea_popescu lol [21:47]
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jurov i see, it's helpfully nod underlined [21:47]
jurov *not [21:47]
kakobrekla yeah i hate underline. [21:47]
jurov ;;slap kakobrekla [21:47]
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kakobrekla dafuq dat hurt [21:48]
mircea_popescu "I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls" [21:48]
mircea_popescu ajahaha poorpeople. [21:48]
jurov can't you at least make the link bluish? [21:48]
kakobrekla its underlined nao [21:49]
jurov oh thx (^^) [21:49]
kakobrekla :* <3 [21:49]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ajahaha poorpeople << still not convinced that this fascinating 'poverty of the spirit' has much to do with money [21:51]
chetty https://blockchain.info/tx/7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d [21:51]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction 7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d [21:51]
benkay good spot, chetty [21:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35995 @ 0.00083099 = 29.9115 BTC [+] {3} [21:52]
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asciilifeform chetty: related? http://www.coindesk.com/vc-firm-bid-fbi-silk-road-bitcoins [21:54]
assbot VC Firm Makes Bid for FBIs Seized Silk Road Bitcoins [21:54]
chetty I guess so [21:56]
mircea_popescu http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/us/politics/eric-cantor-loses-gop-primary.html [21:56]
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assbot Log In - The New York Times [21:56]
mircea_popescu har har. [21:56]
jurov lol i read the link as "loses gpg primary" [21:57]
asciilifeform lol! [21:57]
mircea_popescu haha [21:57]
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chetty first time in history that a 'party leader' lost in a primary, maybe there is hope for the ussa [21:58]
princessnell yes i am very happy about that [21:58]
princessnell i don't think there's much hope but i always enjoy when the lizards have to scramble http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-11/boeing-tumbles-as-cantor-loss-clouds-ex-im-bank-s-future.html [21:59]
assbot Boeing Tumbles as Cantor Loss Clouds Ex-Im Banks Future - Bloomberg [21:59]
asciilifeform chetty: about as interesting, imho, as... the death of andropov [22:00]
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chetty well it prolly wont make a drop of difference, but it feels good for a split second [22:01]
princessnell right :) [22:01]
asciilifeform exactly this [22:01]
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TomServo It should be noted that the FBI has a lot of bitcoins to sell. In addition to drug-tainted Silk Road coins, the FBI has a much bigger stash: an estimate from Casey Research puts the figure between 5% and 10% of all bitcoins in circulation. [22:19]
TomServo ^ First I've heard of that, is this common knowledge? [22:19]
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mike_c ;;calc 132000 / 12000000 [22:22]
gribble 0.011 [22:22]
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mike_c 5% seems high to me [22:22]
mircea_popescu ok this beats all. [22:23]
mircea_popescu you're not going to believe it [22:23]
mircea_popescu argentines don't install fiber WHILE IT RAINS [22:23]
chetty hahahaha [22:24]
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mircea_popescu TomServo its neither common knowledge nor actually ever documented [22:25]
mircea_popescu it is perhaps true, in that they've been mining like crazy [22:25]
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TomServo mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I've got an alarm set to check in with you, in what - 49 years now? For your proof. :P [22:27]
chetty fbi informants demand to be paid in bitcoin!!!! (pass it on, makes a great rumor) [22:32]
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Blazedout419 !up only [22:32]
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Blazedout419 ;;gettrust assbot only [22:32]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user only: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=only | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=only | Rated since: Mon Feb 17 18:33:39 2014 [22:32]
Blazedout419 ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419 [22:32]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013 [22:32]
only anyone know what is happening? [22:34]
only https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX [22:35]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX [22:35]
only https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH [22:35]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH [22:35]
mircea_popescu only read the logs ? [22:35]
only mircea_popescu nope, sorry, am reading them right now [22:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0299996 = 0.39 BTC [+] [22:38]
only good biz for Eliptic, I guess [22:40]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile a message from the queen [22:42]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/5baa69490a40a93eba2436a35774380c/tumblr_mfrfgzfSCg1s1k6u9o1_500.gif [22:42]
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chetty last time oil was getting this high we had a market crash ..............look out below [22:45]
jurov http://gigaom.com/2014/06/12/clever-piece-of-code-exposes-hidden-changes-to-supreme-court-opinions/ lmao law bitrot [22:47]
assbot Clever piece of code exposes hidden changes to Supreme Court opinions — Tech News and Analysis [22:47]
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mircea_popescu no gpg, no security. [22:47]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/512146b35c62c25752e0aead1faa9b61/tumblr_n5wvm5AW7p1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg [22:47]
mircea_popescu jurov isn't this minitruth quite exactly ? [22:48]
jurov quite. [22:48]
mircea_popescu im going to make sure and raise this objection to the us supreme court's competence in any case before it, that it is unqualified to sit as a court because it scams with its published decisions. [22:50]
fluffypony this looks amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8s3erGGF90 [22:51]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:51]
assbot Paddington - Official Trailer - The Weinstein Company - YouTube [22:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00082844 = 0.9337 BTC [-] [22:53]
asciilifeform re scotus retcon diddling, obligatory: [23:01]
asciilifeform http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm [23:01]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno how someone could seriously propose they're a chief justice and not gpg sign [23:03]
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mircea_popescu it's like some broad in new york cca 1700 pretending she's a fashion guru and not washing [23:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it gets better. military brass (sometimes! optionally!) signs. but with what: ms-outlook plugin. [23:04]
mircea_popescu sad [23:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: key stored in what: employee badge. [23:04]
BingoBoingo Approving the Billy Hamilton bet was a mistake. There's no attractive reason to go in on yes, even as a longshot. He's fast whis is exciting, but fast doesn't win any "of the year" awards. [23:05]
asciilifeform this, one should note, is when they're 'flying the mahogany bomber.' in the field, these folks have ancient hardware that does something like civilized crypto [23:05]
asciilifeform (as described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323) [23:06]
assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. [23:06]
benkay princessnell: is http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88526387754/hey-look-what-i-made-pretty-cool-huh this a chart of how much the various countries are subsidizing exports? [23:06]
assbot hey look what i made. pretty cool huh. - Mystery of the Mundane [23:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+] [23:06]
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princessnell benkay specifically, of medium/long-term loan guarantees from G-7 export credit agencies [23:08]
princessnell there's a ton more subsidies that aren't counted [23:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] [23:10]
benkay fascinating. [23:11]
benkay so this is why the peso isn't doomed. [23:12]
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mircea_popescu princessnell shouldn't they be accounted ? [23:14]
mircea_popescu !up terpy [23:14]
-assbot- You voiced terpy for 30 minutes. [23:14]
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mircea_popescu terpy who're you ? [23:14]
princessnell mircea_popescu this graph is meant to address a specific policy issue. but sure someone should be keeping tabs on that. [23:15]
davout pankkake: "it comes with a special status" <<< a mod in a local section of the forum isn't much more than a glorified janitor [23:15]
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mircea_popescu princessnell a ok. [23:15]
davout pankkake: granted i get access to some additionnal derpage in the form of access to the "staff" section [23:16]
davout (also donators, where goat made some splendid display of butthurt) [23:17]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: I saw a great baseball play a few days ago - huge hit into outfield, outfielder duffs the catch (bounces off his glove), has this brief moment of confusion before running after it and lobbing it all the way back to home base, and the batter is run out. Now I can't find it. Jog any memories? [23:17]
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jurov !up BigBitz [23:19]
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los_pantalones fluffypony yoenis cespedes [23:22]
los_pantalones he did it twice now [23:22]
los_pantalones in a short period of time [23:22]
mike_c the new price chart is awesome. i <3 atc.blockr.io [23:22]
fluffypony los_pantalones: tks [23:22]
fluffypony los_pantalones: that throw was insane, I couldn't believe the distance it covered, and it looked like such a lazy lob [23:23]
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mircea_popescu would be even better with volume :D [23:25]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: That happens at least once a week probably... [23:31]
BingoBoingo %book [23:31]
atcbot 16k@260 35k@250 2k@240 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140 [23:31]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Now on Friday one of the actually rare triple plays happened, though no the still rarer unassisted version http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/06/06/cardinals-turn-triple-play/10109459/ [23:33]
assbot Cardinals turn triple play with bases loaded [23:33]
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los_pantalones only 2 things i enjoy about baseball... [23:34]
los_pantalones 1) yelling "BALK" [23:34]
los_pantalones 2) someone stealing home [23:34]
BingoBoingo Those are great things. [23:34]
asciilifeform what's 'balk'? like 'tilt' in pinball? [23:34]
BingoBoingo I also like fan interference [23:35]
los_pantalones if the pitcher starts to go into his pitching motion towards the plate [23:35]
los_pantalones but then stops [23:35]
los_pantalones and does anything elese [23:35]
los_pantalones runners advance [23:35]
asciilifeform false-start ? [23:35]
BingoBoingo Yeah [23:35]
los_pantalones it's the most subjective call in most sports [23:35]
los_pantalones one of* [23:35]
BingoBoingo All of the great completely subjective calls live in baseball [23:35]
los_pantalones you could call balk one out of every 3 pitches [23:36]
los_pantalones in my "pulled totally out of my ass" book of stats [23:36]
Apocalyptic los_pantalones, note that he can properly pull out of the pitching motion [23:36]
Apocalyptic then he's allowed to do whatever he wants [23:36]
BingoBoingo Delay of game is another one of those things called too infrequently. By the book the pitcher has 12 seconds to unload the ball [23:36]
los_pantalones i like yelling "Defensive 3 seconds" at bball games too [23:37]
los_pantalones i'm that horrible person that shouldn't be there in the 1st place [23:37]
BingoBoingo At least it isn't the traditional Philadelphia throwing of batteries. [23:39]
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BingoBoingo The meta-game of trying to call Tommy Johns surgeries well in advance is also an interesting game. [23:43]
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BingoBoingo http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/harrison-ford-injured-star-wars-711457 [23:47]
assbot Harrison Ford Injured on the 'Star Wars: Episode VII' Set - Hollywood Reporter [23:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0238 = 0.119 BTC [+] [23:49]
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BingoBoingo %diff [23:51]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 489020.64 in 1120 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.64 [23:51]
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [23:58]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.5, Best ask: 588.7, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 586.5, 24 hour volume: 14120.94970484, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 614.907414164 [23:58]
mike_c feds are scaring people [23:58]
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kakobrekla 500 here we come. [23:58]
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bitcoinpete ;;bc,stats [23:59]
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