Forum logs for 09 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo << Now Obola wants to rob people of entire years of their life [00:06]
assbot Obama Calls for Two Years of Free Community College for All Students - WSJ [00:06]
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assbot "You have to be careful about drinking around me," Cosby just said to a woman in the crowd. Loud gasps from the audience. [00:07]
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assbot The gasps then changed to cheers and applause. [00:07]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo gotta keep them somewhere [00:12]
mircea_popescu would you prefer working camps ? [00:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe? Then again I don't have a community college degree. Maybe I should stick around in the US just long enough to get an Obama degree. [00:13]
mircea_popescu what's this, like the aids joke ? [00:13]
mircea_popescu (bum goes to donate blood. "do you have aids ?" "no. do you ?" "actually... yes." "gimme two.") [00:14]
BingoBoingo lol [00:15]
BingoBoingo Trying to catch AIDs for the welfare is apparently actually a subculture. [00:15]
mircea_popescu ;;google "poz my neg hole" [00:16]
BingoBoingo ;;google bugchasing [00:16]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [00:36]
nanotube gribble should be coming back any time now. [00:38]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Broken link in that latest post [00:39]
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thestringpuller welcome back gribble [00:43]
thestringpuller ;;echo it's good to be back [00:43]
thestringpuller :( [00:43]
gribble it's good to be back [00:43]
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thestringpuller she's cute lol [00:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00061813 = 38.0459 BTC [-] {5} [01:16]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [01:16]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [01:16]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ty! [01:29]
mircea_popescu lol @derpy blondy [01:32]
mircea_popescu i don't get chemist's complaint. [01:35]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Was told to cut $$$ value of inventory, was sent a bunch of expensive about to expire. [01:36]
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mircea_popescu obviously ? [01:37]
mircea_popescu the two are unrelated tho. they had some shit about to expire. of coruse it gets sent out. [01:38]
mircea_popescu what else, sit on it ? [01:38]
BingoBoingo Well, Zostavax is notorious for being used infrequently to never. [01:39]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the error is the bizarre notion that headquarters is in the business of doing the shop's job, only they have better tools ? [01:39]
mircea_popescu that's not how business works. the shop is in the business of solving hq's problems. all of them. [01:39]
mircea_popescu that's why the shop exists. if it doesn't do that, it can dangle. [01:40]
BingoBoingo Right, and HQ does the shop's job poorly [01:40]
mircea_popescu zostavax is notorious for being the main source of shingles in the us, but that's another story. [01:40]
BingoBoingo Sure. [01:40]
BingoBoingo Prevents/causes shingles [01:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, the reason they pushed for lowering inventory is probably exactly the fact that they keep ending up with shit that doesn'tsell because it expires. [01:40]
mircea_popescu if anything that delivery is the explanation of why the fuck the call was even necessary. [01:41]
BingoBoingo Right. Example of inept "failed to success" HQ crowd [01:42]
BingoBoingo Like Obola [01:42]
danielpbarron ;;later tell grubles any comment on this? [01:42]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:42]
assbot Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing. [01:42]
mircea_popescu speaking of horrible us pharma crapola that's ended up giving vaccines a bad name in the us, and the people who (properly!) refuse vaccination now get to be depicted as redneck savages because o noes, vaccines are great (they would be, and they were before us companies got involved) : [01:42]
mircea_popescu i am deeply amused at how everything's "an allergic reaction" now. [01:42]
mircea_popescu perhaps because it sounds so like allogenic. [01:42]
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BingoBoingo Why lawyer with a law degree when you can "community organize" for better hours and pay [01:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, "got shingles from the merck vaccine ? O ITS JUS TAN ALLERGIC REACTION WILL GO AWAY" [01:43]
mircea_popescu guess what fuckers... so would shingles. [01:43]
BingoBoingo Well, live virus vaccine and Elderly patients are circles you don't want touching on a Venn Diagram anyways. [01:44]
mircea_popescu but you gotta sell crap for 200 bux a pop or w/e it is [01:44]
BingoBoingo Yeah [01:45]
mircea_popescu and i fat least all this embezzled money went into research, you know ? all the idiots that gave themselves zona zooster because "medicine" and "Science" could at least serve humanity. [01:45]
mircea_popescu but, just like in the case of shittywood and so on, the actual creatives get 1.5% and tjhey gotta be in a union for that even. [01:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00089285 = 2.2321 BTC [-] {14} [01:45]
BingoBoingo Well, it is one of those cases where what works for polio does not work for the more beneign herpes zoster. [01:48]
mircea_popescu this is perhaps the best example of bs. first off, idiot us derps are more affraid of pain than anytihng. so let's create this fantastic disease which CAN HURT REALLY BAD [01:49]
mircea_popescu which it can, theoretically, in extremely rare cases. [01:49]
mircea_popescu and then let's sell a vaccine for it. which is a shitload more expensive than a useful one, like the polio one. [01:49]
mircea_popescu vaccine doesn't work, but that's ok, because the thing it "protects " against doesn't really happen. [01:50]
BingoBoingo I mean shingles is the perfect disease that hurts bad without threatening life. [01:50]
mircea_popescu if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. [01:50]
BingoBoingo if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. << Well also the part where the only chance most USians have to gape in awe at a golden toilet is at the doctor's (or increasingly almost doctor's) [01:51]
[]bot Bet created: "LTC to top one bitcent before March" [01:51]
[]bot Bet created: "LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March" [01:56]
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mircea_popescu check out idiotpedia : "An allogenic succession can be brought about in a number of ways which can include: Volcanic eruptions Meteor or comet strike Flooding Drought Earthquakes Non-anthropogenic climate change" [02:01]
mircea_popescu totally. except the only climate change documented to date is caused BY FUCKING BACTERIA [02:01]
mircea_popescu not by humans. and it doesn't properly fit allogenic succession definition, but because, like the putative anthropogenic climate change that allegedly is being prevented by that dumb teenager in the snow up in the log, is caused by fucking living things. [02:02]
mircea_popescu then people want to know why retardopedia is not a source of information. this is why. because in the mouths of the stupid, even good sense loses itself. [02:02]
mircea_popescu there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife. [02:03]
mircea_popescu "hey, it's genetic material". sure it is. [02:03]
[]bot Bet created: "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" [02:05]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 2 BTC. Current weight: 100,000. [02:06]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to top one bitcent before March" Odds: 4(Y):96(N) by coin, 4(Y):96(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,975. [02:06]
* BingoBoingo suspects dead virus "chicken pox" vaccine isn't possible without triggering serious autoimmune issues. Herpes is in our DNA. [02:09]
mircea_popescu more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it [02:12]
BingoBoingo Yeah. Also successful enough to bury its blueprints within our own almsot universally. [02:13]
[]bot Bet created: "Cardano to Ship in 2015" [02:19]
mircea_popescu wasn't there one of these ? [02:20]
mircea_popescu lol 3. xmas, 2014 now 2015 [02:20]
mircea_popescu lucky asciilifeform is out of bitcoin, can't put nething down :D [02:21]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 5(Y):95(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997. [02:38]
thestringpuller damn asciilifeform can't get a break [02:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00065 = 18.07 BTC [+] [02:49]
mod6 ;;bc,stats [02:53]
gribble Current Blocks: 338158 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44388130141.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.22019 [02:53]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [02:53]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [02:53]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market btce [02:53]
gribble BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.048, Best ask: 282.049, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 282.048, 24 hour volume: 7930.86953, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 291.979, 24 hour vwap: 284.542495 [02:53]
BingoBoingo US emigration law is fucked [02:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82051 @ 0.00065916 = 54.0847 BTC [+] {6} [02:54]
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fluffypony lol, the XPY crowd apparently don't like CoinFire: [03:17]
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mircea_popescu wo's thje xpy crowd ? [04:41]
mircea_popescu lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ? [04:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The Homero Garza cult [04:42]
mircea_popescu wtf happened to "brick and mortar stores" ? [04:42]
mircea_popescu not to mention a bottom line and stuff like that. [04:42]
BingoBoingo Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron [04:43]
BingoBoingo Essential cult 101 stuff [04:43]
mircea_popescu lulzy anyway. cazalla pops their bubble, they go kill some dude in indiana ? [04:43]
BingoBoingo To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule. [04:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00066284 = 24.9891 BTC [+] {3} [04:44]
mircea_popescu heh. [04:44]
mircea_popescu tbh, i dun see what further news can be had on it. [04:45]
mircea_popescu "scam blew up." [04:45]
mircea_popescu ok... [04:45]
BingoBoingo Well, coinfire keeps talking about every new wound that emerges as it bleeds out. [04:45]
BingoBoingo The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace. [04:46]
* BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far. [04:47]
mircea_popescu have cazalla cut out words if unsure. [04:47]
mircea_popescu news should be snappy. [04:47]
BingoBoingo Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was. [04:49]
mircea_popescu heh [04:49]
mircea_popescu now im looking forward to see this thing [04:49]
BingoBoingo Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs. [04:50]
mircea_popescu [04:52]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 6 days | weight: 10`934 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [04:53]
mircea_popescu "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)" [04:53]
mircea_popescu gotta love the wisdom of the crowds. [04:53]
BingoBoingo Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence. [04:53]
BingoBoingo It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective. [04:59]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ? [04:59]
BingoBoingo $500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs. [05:00]
BingoBoingo Actual owner of the game is "ESPN Events" [05:00]
BingoBoingo So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate... [05:04]
mircea_popescu aha. [05:05]
BingoBoingo If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated. [05:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00064595 = 17.4407 BTC [-] [05:09]
mircea_popescu so ? [05:15]
BingoBoingo Just weird digging into the ways the US really is rogue. [05:18]
BingoBoingo Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant [05:19]
BingoBoingo I mean the US has its own bizzaro EU with Microneia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau [05:22]
BingoBoingo Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided [05:23]
mircea_popescu << lol remember last year ? [05:48]
assbot And another one bites the dust : Picostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [05:48]
mircea_popescu << pretty sweet. [05:51]
assbot Jackson Palmer: I created $20m Dogecoin phenomenon and all I have to show for it is a jar of Nutella ... ( ) [05:51]
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davout yay all hail gribble [05:59]
davout thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date [06:01]
mircea_popescu [06:02]
assbot Afraid of loss, ESPN makes fast cash on Bitcoin payment | New York Post ... ( ) [06:02]
mircea_popescu heh. some publicity. [06:02]
davout i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month" [06:03]
davout mircea_popescu: <<< by all means :D [06:04]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 19:12:27; mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly. [06:04]
mircea_popescu and then people disagree on what "main net" means [06:04]
davout mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash [06:06]
mircea_popescu i don't follow ? [06:06]
davout or alternatively any current block hash [06:06]
mircea_popescu so every orphan chain is "main net" ? [06:06]
cazalla My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night.. [06:06]
davout there's also the work part [06:06]
mircea_popescu cazalla nobody cared. [06:06]
davout also an orphan would only get 50 confirmations at infinity, not in a month [06:07]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [06:07]
mircea_popescu davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long" [06:08]
mircea_popescu in log [06:08]
davout i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite [06:08]
mircea_popescu an orphan can be any arbitrary length. [06:08]
davout yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower [06:08]
mircea_popescu ... [06:09]
mircea_popescu that's an interesting approach. [06:09]
mircea_popescu confirm debit. [06:09]
mircea_popescu isn't it 2160 btw ? [06:10]
davout 2016 iirc [06:10]
punkman [06:15]
assbot On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( ) [06:15]
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mircea_popescu sounds great. [06:19]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform << gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes. [06:29]
assbot nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... ( ) [06:29]
mircea_popescu fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ? [06:36]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes [06:36]
mircea_popescu you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others. [06:37]
fluffypony I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch [06:37]
mircea_popescu but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing. [06:37]
mircea_popescu it doesn't plead in favour for your intelligence, but it is certainly noble. [06:37]
mircea_popescu so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ? [06:38]
fluffypony precious few [06:39]
mircea_popescu well, don't burn out. intelligence is relatively common [06:40]
mircea_popescu patience... rare. [06:40]
fluffypony well at least it makes for a change from "omg gaw are skammirz, we had no idae" [06:41]
mircea_popescu anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there. [06:43]
mircea_popescu but yes openssl is warty. especially for this use. and heck, more tests... never hurt. [06:43]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony how big is polarssl ? [06:52]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: binaries or codebase? [06:53]
mircea_popescu the ecc codebase specificaly [06:53]
mircea_popescu i'm sort of pondering creating a "compare openssl / polarssl / blockstream ec implementations" research project [06:53]
fluffypony hmmmm [06:54]
mircea_popescu i mean, tests, sure, provable code, sure, random tests, sure. [06:54]
fluffypony well [06:54]
mircea_popescu i am a great believer in code analysis myself. [06:54]
fluffypony the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code [06:54]
fluffypony including comments [06:54]
fluffypony lemme run a slocount on them [06:55]
mircea_popescu that it ? [06:55]
assbot polarssl/ecdsa.h at development · polarssl/polarssl · GitHub ... ( ) [06:55]
fluffypony 2206 actual lines of code [06:55]
mircea_popescu this is not so horribru. [06:55]
fluffypony no - in library/ecp_curves.c and library/ecp.c [06:55]
fluffypony it probably needs some other DRY bits [06:56]
mircea_popescu did blockstream actually publish the libsecp256k1 ? [06:56]
fluffypony but that's the bulk there [06:56]
fluffypony nfi [06:56]
fluffypony they must've if it's in 0.1 [06:56]
fluffypony *0.10 [06:56]
mircea_popescu orly. [06:56]
mircea_popescu [06:57]
mircea_popescu there we go [06:57]
assbot secp256k1/secp256k1.h at master · bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( ) [06:57]
fluffypony yarp [06:57]
punkman I think that lib predates blockstream [06:57]
fluffypony yeah it does [06:57]
fluffypony March 2013 [06:58]
fluffypony I'll bbiab, have to go shopping [06:58]
mircea_popescu um. [06:58]
mircea_popescu so they made it for the vc backed firm by recycling some older stuffs ? [06:59]
punkman probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now [07:00]
punkman so they'll stick their noses in many places [07:00]
punkman seems like it was Pieter Wuille's thing at first [07:03]
mircea_popescu well, tomorrow's thing. laters all. [07:08]
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thestringpuller welcome chairman popescu [15:54]
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mircea_popescu o hai [15:56]
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mircea_popescu ohai [15:56]
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mircea_popescu ohai [15:56]
davout ello [15:56]
mircea_popescu so what is all this leap second y2k v2.0 stuff lol [15:57]
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kakobrekla karpeles saves the day [16:02]
assbot MagicalTux comments on [Daily Discussion] Thursday, January 08, 2015 ... ( ) [16:02]
mircea_popescu lmao tux still exists ? [16:03]
mircea_popescu i hope hje's partenering with kenna to start a moon printing program [16:03]
kakobrekla as the new bitstamp advisor? [16:03]
mircea_popescu where they print 3d natural satellites. [16:03]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha you're pulling my leg [16:03]
mircea_popescu you are! you must be! [16:04]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction. [16:08]
mircea_popescu punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off. [16:09]
mircea_popescu you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time. [16:09]
mircea_popescu i hope i make myself clear. [16:09]
mircea_popescu for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too. [16:12]
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Apocalyptic "molokization" // in reference to Moloch ? [16:16]
mircea_popescu no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it. [16:17]
mircea_popescu !s from:MolokoDesk [16:17]
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Apocalyptic aha [16:18]
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mircea_popescu speaking of which, what are you doing these days ? [16:19]
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Apocalyptic in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track [16:20]
mircea_popescu can you implement the deedbot spec ? [16:21]
Apocalyptic I don't think so, not qualified nor time for it [16:22]
mircea_popescu alrighty. [16:22]
mircea_popescu um. you wrote an alt-exchange at some point iirc ? [16:23]
Apocalyptic indeed I did [16:24]
mircea_popescu qualified enough then! [16:24]
mircea_popescu "What do you tell family when they say IM is a scam? [16:26]
mircea_popescu Main Internet Marketing Discussion [16:26]
mircea_popescu by Dorian Anthony, 4th January 2015" [16:26]
mircea_popescu lawl. [16:26]
mircea_popescu "You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong." [16:27]
mircea_popescu apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior. [16:27]
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ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and? [16:37]
ben_vulpes actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi [16:37]
ben_vulpes neat trick, that [16:37]
mircea_popescu how does that work ? [16:38]
ben_vulpes i'll ask [16:41]
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kakobrekla Dear Bitstamp customers, [16:43]
kakobrekla We are happy to announce that we are back open for business [16:43]
kakobrekla * Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available. [16:43]
mircea_popescu hey, glad i didn't bet. [16:44]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:44]
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mircea_popescu well, let's verify this most secure computer environments claim. [16:44]
mircea_popescu i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate. [16:45]
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joecool kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting? [16:48]
kakobrekla hehe [16:49]
kakobrekla that only allows for up to 2gb of css. [16:49]
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mircea_popescu << americans. a century ago. [16:53]
assbot ... ( ) [16:53]
kakobrekla hence the land of opportunity. [16:54]
mod6 americans today: [16:55]
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mircea_popescu i tell you, i look at those guys, i kinda wanna be friends. [16:56]
mod6 werd [16:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry." [16:58]
mircea_popescu probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises. [16:58]
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mircea_popescu it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops. [16:59]
mircea_popescu this one, however... this one succeeded. [16:59]
mod6 if Vail, AZ (the city/surrounding area) is named after him, I used to live right by there. [17:01]
mod6 the ranch certainly looks close. [17:01]
mircea_popescu likely. [17:02]
mod6 Yeah, the modern city/area of Vail is just north of where the historical ranch is located. [17:02]
mod6 Beautiful land out there. At least, to me anyway. [17:03]
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mircea_popescu not really my cup, but then again we can't all gaggle in the same spots. [17:04]
mod6 :] [17:05]
mircea_popescu incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame! [17:05]
mircea_popescu i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. [17:05]
mircea_popescu how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown. [17:06]
mod6 haha. i love the desert. [17:06]
mod6 part of it is, there arn't many people there. [17:06]
thestringpuller mod6 only likes the desert cause he lives in tundra for 9 months out of the year. [17:06]
mircea_popescu lol [17:06]
mircea_popescu "finally, my toes no longer iced" [17:07]
mod6 haha, perhaps. im sure ive had frostbite like 69 times [17:07]
mod6 yeah! [17:07]
mod6 when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer. not a ton of fun I tell you. [17:07]
mod6 i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though. [17:08]
mod6 :/ [17:09]
mod6 or :{ [17:09]
mircea_popescu lol [17:09]
mod6 haha [17:09]
thestringpuller so my buddy works for maxis [17:11]
thestringpuller great guy [17:11]
thestringpuller he was telling me that in the SimCity reboot [17:12]
thestringpuller the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city [17:12]
mircea_popescu this is a good idea. [17:13]
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kakobrekla < you may wanna extend this to coinbase [17:35]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2015 19:42:28; mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate. [17:35]
mircea_popescu why, got a bitcoin ? [17:36]
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kakobrekla wai? cause using aws. [17:37]
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mircea_popescu it's not clear they actually have any bitcoin tho. [17:39]
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BingoBoingo i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox [17:52]
mircea_popescu lol. [17:53]
mircea_popescu “Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.” [17:53]
mircea_popescu check this shit out! [17:53]
mircea_popescu [17:53]
assbot SWAT Team Demolishes Home To Arrest Man For DUI, Family Left Homeless | The Free Thought Project ... ( ) [17:53]
mircea_popescu i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener. [17:54]
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mircea_popescu come in, deroof the house, remove suspect. [17:54]
BingoBoingo We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados [17:57]
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mircea_popescu can't leave that to nature. [17:58]
BingoBoingo Well gotta do that design inspired by nature thing [17:58]
BingoBoingo Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof [17:59]
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ben_vulpes kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku? [18:08]
kakobrekla yes - they burned all the free resources. [18:09]
ben_vulpes looool [18:09]
mircea_popescu gotta be in the bezzle to be in teh bezzle eh ? [18:10]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand? [18:11]
mircea_popescu btw, isn't salesforce now using ubuntu ? [18:11]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, assbot wot not ready just yet. [18:11]
ben_vulpes !up works tho [18:11]
ben_vulpes !up Pierre_Rochard [18:11]
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thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard: you afoot? [18:15]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: sure am [18:15]
thestringpuller assbot: wot should have better API for us to dock our interfaces into [18:15]
mircea_popescu i thought they moved to bay area. [18:18]
thestringpuller "moved" [18:18]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too [18:19]
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jurov grrr i so hate spotting typos. and it's in first sentence. ( BingoBoingo see qntra comment ) [18:24]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ? [18:25]
mircea_popescu prolly help if it were signed / dated, but that's not such a big deal. [18:25]
mircea_popescu to implement i mean. [18:25]
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BingoBoingo jurov: Fixed, clarified [18:30]
decimation << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago." [18:30]
assbot A generation at risk: Young investigators and the future of the biomedical workforce ... ( ) [18:30]
decimation "R01s" are "leading NIH research grants" [18:31]
mircea_popescu heh. [18:33]
mircea_popescu gerontocracy is necessarily a failure mode of soviet states [18:33]
mircea_popescu generally because the living standards decay is obvious to the younger men. [18:33]
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decimation plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young [18:35]
mircea_popescu jurov brings a very interesting question re supporting eulora. we could in principle drop 32 bit support. now, if this were a crypto thing or any such high assurance system i'd never consider it. but it's a game. [18:35]
decimation until they have their final birthday party [18:35]
mircea_popescu what's teh republican senate think on the topic ? [18:35]
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mircea_popescu decimation perhaps. it only works if young women buy into ti tho. [18:36]
decimation I think there's a soft-money aspect here too [18:36]
decimation generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets [18:37]
decimation << actually spinoza produced fine polished lenses [18:38]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2015 00:39:45; pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words [18:38]
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mircea_popescu decimation define assets. [18:38]
decimation fiat, fiat business stock, fiat bonds, promises from usg to pay [18:38]
mircea_popescu ... [18:39]
mircea_popescu i dunno. you can get plenty of such assets by simply catching aids. [18:39]
decimation the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets [18:40]
mircea_popescu decimation i meant on teh 32 bit support issue :) [18:41]
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decimation heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit [18:43]
mircea_popescu this one lol. [18:43]
mircea_popescu not that one. [18:43]
jurov "Rep. X caught playing Eulora insession" [18:44]
decimation that would be great publicity! [18:44]
mircea_popescu "In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s [18:44]
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decimation actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session' [18:45]
mircea_popescu (not entirely an inaccurate view, for that matter) [18:45]
decimation 99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two [18:45]
decimation everyone else in Congress has 'better things to do' [18:45]
mircea_popescu well yes. [18:45]
jurov not even when queen speaks? [18:45]
jurov oh mn [18:46]
jurov nm [18:46]
mircea_popescu queen speaks in his own office. [18:46]
mircea_popescu it's a very dysfunctional marriage, columbia. [18:46]
decimation mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras [18:46]
danielpbarron decimation diametric diatonic donpillou dooglus Dr-G2 dub [18:46]
mircea_popescu but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business. [18:47]
mircea_popescu looks like Truant High. [18:47]
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decimation yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women [18:47]
mircea_popescu only a minority of which with visible cum stains on dress/hair [18:48]
decimation all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC [18:48]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [18:48]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 290.0, vol: 4952.71545506 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.0, vol: 9135.32823 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 288.71, vol: 30560.10073591 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 290.0, vol: 39.95556429 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.08147, vol: 106767.32200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 291.0, vol: 2.87980971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 294.2737, vol: 69.70119431 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [18:48]
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decimation up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased [18:49]
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decimation suddenly 'because security' - tourist are now restricted to little groups led by a poor student [18:50]
mircea_popescu this is perennially the case with free republics. [18:50]
mircea_popescu why shouldn't you be able to go anywhere. [18:50]
decimation well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power [18:51]
thestringpuller real shit [18:51]
mircea_popescu yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person. [18:59]
mircea_popescu obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature. [19:00]
mircea_popescu something like "tom sawyer pinched himself and saw that he was flesh and blood like any man". [19:00]
decimation washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown [19:02]
mircea_popescu must suck for the kids in question. [19:03]
decimation well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process' [19:04]
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pete_dushenski cheers [19:07]
mircea_popescu not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915. [19:07]
mircea_popescu "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?" [19:07]
pete_dushenski a g'day gribbs [19:07]
mircea_popescu legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust [19:07]
mircea_popescu fact remains : yes, they will, and no they won't. [19:07]
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mircea_popescu he's moving on a dead track. [19:08]
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davout good evening [19:08]
thestringpuller bonjour davout [19:08]
thestringpuller ou c'est bon huit ? [19:09]
mircea_popescu davout how goes the islamist revolution btw ? [19:09]
davout wish i had an ak-47 [19:09]
mircea_popescu not that expensive is it ? [19:10]
davout i have never looked this up actually [19:10]
davout what's gun law like in argentina? can you just go and get one? [19:12]
mircea_popescu should be about 1k [19:12]
davout i mean legally [19:12]
mircea_popescu legally i never inquired. [19:12]
mircea_popescu if you want a gun legally, you should instead buy a cop. [19:12]
davout that's pretty pragmatic [19:13]
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mircea_popescu davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat [19:17]
pete_dushenski sounds like nyc [19:17]
mircea_popescu what was it, 19th arrondisment ? that's like... barracas, basically. [19:18]
mircea_popescu bottom 10th land values sort of affair [19:18]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ? [19:19]
BingoBoingo [19:20]
assbot We live in a world where someone is paid money to Photoshop pubic hair into pictures of Justin Bieber. [19:20]
davout what shooting are you referring to precisely? [19:20]
mircea_popescu lemme dig up what i read. la liberte mebbe [19:21]
mircea_popescu sec [19:21]
davout police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho [19:21]
mircea_popescu En quittant les locaux, les assaillants tombent sur un véhicule de police en ressortant dans la rue. Ils ouvrent à nouveau le feu avant de remonter à bord de leur Citroën. Une course-poursuite s'engage. Ils empruntent l’allée verte, une rue perpendiculaire à celle du siège de Charlie Hebdo. Croisent une autre patrouille de policiers, en VTT. Nouveaux tirs, sans victime. Arrivé sur le boulevard Richard-Lenoir, [19:22]
mircea_popescu nouvelle fusillade: un policier, âgé d’une trentaine d’années et rattaché au commissariat du XIe arrondissement, est touché puis froidement abattu au sol. [19:22]
mircea_popescu so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too. [19:22]
davout well, the third one isn't that close [19:22]
davout but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris [19:23]
mircea_popescu but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good. [19:23]
davout the ones on their bicycle are the most problematic ones, they sneak upon you [19:23]
mircea_popescu on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him. [19:23]
mircea_popescu this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well... [19:24]
mircea_popescu is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ? [19:25]
mircea_popescu should they carry mace and avoid walking alone at night to the car ? [19:25]
mircea_popescu should they call home and have an adult male take them in hand ? [19:25]
mircea_popescu are they dressed modestly enough ? [19:25]
davout i guess we should simply send our cops to syria for training instead of our youth [19:27]
mircea_popescu i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks. [19:27]
davout choose which ones you buy carefully, problem solved [19:28]
mircea_popescu yeah, except in a society that does this everyone's doing something else stupid to compensate willy-nilly. [19:29]
BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j0jq63xywdxvuhvlnrvg.jpg [19:33]
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mircea_popescu lol [19:34]
BingoBoingo That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago [19:35]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [19:36]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 289.6, vol: 7297.59926657 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 282.107, vol: 9104.98586 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 287.65, vol: 29813.42464718 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 289.51, vol: 36.87022121 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 282.322456, vol: 106349.83970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 291.0, vol: 2.87980971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 293.607140805, vol: 65.56149557 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [19:36]
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mircea_popescu is that kinda gay ? [19:38]
asciilifeform yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women << zoologically interesting phenomenon. visit wash. d.c, they're everywhere - restaurants (incl. costly ones), $xx mil houses, 7 to a room... [19:38]
mircea_popescu right. [19:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well here was the next year's card,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vxvototrhpzistnpens3.jpg [19:39]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And then this year's,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sxfqpmm6ionp6fndxgv8.jpg [19:40]
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mircea_popescu my intuitition! [19:40]
BingoBoingo My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks [19:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ak-47... argentina... should be about 1k << wai wat. sure not off by a zero ? [19:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform HE wanted one, not me. he's in paris. [19:41]
mircea_popescu i can scarcely imagine what i would want an old assault rifle for. [19:42]
asciilifeform iirc one can buy rifles in fr [19:42]
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mircea_popescu i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies. [19:43]
mircea_popescu im sure one can buy an ak if one asks for it in romanian tho :D [19:43]
asciilifeform even here in usa many (most?) of such rifles offered for sale are originally made in ro [19:43]
mircea_popescu im sure. [19:44]
mircea_popescu cugir "sewing mahcine" factory turned out millions of em. [19:44]
asciilifeform according to one source, it is because a large quantity of semi-automatic ak was once produced in that country (for a civil militia project of some kind, iirc) [19:44]
mircea_popescu yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out. [19:44]
mircea_popescu in the 80s [19:44]
asciilifeform a very peculiar kind of 'mechanical crippleware', this 'street legal ak' [19:46]
mircea_popescu aha ? [19:46]
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asciilifeform two (?) missing small parts, slightly different bolt, according to schematics [19:47]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo perhaps can comment [19:49]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Havent' looked much at how AK crippleware is done. AR becomes cripple ware because metal that should be missing is not [19:49]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ? [19:50]
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asciilifeform (ar) [19:51]
asciilifeform (is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?) [19:51]
BingoBoingo Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt [19:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the molokization of deedbot v2.0 << wai wat? sabotage ? [19:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points [19:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00065579 = 57.9718 BTC [+] {2} [19:53]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as a reverse engineer, i find examples of 'crippleware designed to be annoying to fix' conceptually interesting wherever i find it [19:54]
asciilifeform at least i assume the rifle was designed to be somewhat annoying to uncripple, considering, iirc, that this was required in usa [19:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear. [19:55]
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asciilifeform what, precisely, are the plausible worlds here. i can really think of just one - it lost db, and author pulled it down ? [20:00]
BingoBoingo I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails [20:03]
asciilifeform yes but what obstacle. [20:03]
BingoBoingo Nebulous, but a time sink. One that delays implementation of thing that by all means seemed to work as advertised up until obstacle. [20:04]
PeterL From Trilema "Jobs Board" post: "You are expected to negotiate your own pay." << This is where I demand 1200 USD/mo for upkeeping scoopbot, right? [20:07]
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mircea_popescu PeterL lol first and last sentences :D [20:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea. the last attempt to resuscitate v2.0 died on the 5th ( ) and that's that. [20:17]
assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 04:43:52; mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated. [20:17]
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asciilifeform !s software does not fail [20:29]
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RagnarDanneskjol my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it). I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi [20:29]
RagnarDanneskjol ng too I believe. [20:29]
PeterL mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future. [20:30]
RagnarDanneskjol re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me. also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced. [20:30]
mircea_popescu certainly. [20:30]
mircea_popescu make sure you read it as intended tho [20:30]
mircea_popescu "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)." [20:30]
PeterL goes along with point 2: things not stated are up to programmer [20:31]
asciilifeform what, however, determines what codebase is worth ? [20:31]
asciilifeform the worth of what dies if the proggy fails catastrophically? [20:31]
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mircea_popescu that is up to management. [20:32]
PeterL or are you saying you care about readability of good (expensive) software? [20:32]
mircea_popescu PeterL of important software. [20:32]
BingoBoingo << Turns out Micon apparently has a price [20:32]
assbot So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat. [20:32]
mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs. [20:33]
mircea_popescu having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial. [20:33]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [20:35]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 294.15, vol: 9199.33621954 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 286.95, vol: 9046.86098 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 290.5, vol: 28950.3525495 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 289.51, vol: 37.06275778 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.815168, vol: 106121.94360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 294.02, vol: 3.84070522 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 293.11425, vol: 68.39470571 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [20:35]
mircea_popescu heh the web exchanges trending up ? [20:36]
PeterL for some value of "up" and some value of "trending" [20:37]
BingoBoingo Well, more level. Stamp has a premium though [20:37]
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copumpkin hi :) [20:39]
mircea_popescu how goes. [20:39]
copumpkin well, sitting in a train station [20:40]
copumpkin what's new? [20:40]
PeterL One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites [20:40]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [20:41]
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PeterL heh, I think that is my first bashed line :) [20:41]
BingoBoingo O.o [20:42]
mircea_popescu qntra can't afford flash. [20:42]
BingoBoingo No, Flash can't afford qntra. [20:43]
mircea_popescu also. [20:43]
PeterL flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates? [20:45]
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mircea_popescu it prolly is mutual at that. [21:08]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [21:25]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [21:26]
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PeterL you know, you could pm him -fetch [21:29]
BingoBoingo Really? [21:29]
PeterL yeah [21:29]
mircea_popescu i recall reading that yeah [21:29]
BingoBoingo Cool [21:29]
PeterL if you pm him, you don't need to include scoopbot, just -fetch [21:30]
BingoBoingo [21:31]
assbot ... ( ) [21:31]
kakobrekla !s fetch from:kakobrekla [21:31]
assbot 8 results for 'fetch from:kakobrekla' : [21:32]
kakobrekla [21:32]
assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 17:57:08; kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner. [21:32]
kakobrekla and few lines more. [21:32]
cazalla i don't know if anyone saw that ipad game that pays out 0.0001.. i fucked around with it for an hour or so and earned 0.0003, i'm sure some indian is setting up a sweatshop to farm it 24/7 as we speak [21:33]
BingoBoingo lol [21:33]
asciilifeform cazalla: this kind of thing has been done in the past; e.g., amazon corp's 'mechanical turk' [21:33]
PeterL what do you do in this game to earn it? [21:34]
cazalla asciilifeform, but this app pays out the moment it awards you, i'm trying to think of a homer simpson drinking bird means of doing it but no go [21:35]
asciilifeform cazalla: instrumented emulator. [21:35]
cazalla PeterL, you throw a monkey as far as you can plus the dev alleges he will use the in-game adsense type revenue to purchase more bitcoin and increase the bitcoin payouts for users [21:36]
assbot SaruTobi - YouTube ... ( ) [21:36]
davout PeterL: could you add to scoopbot? [21:37]
assbot | bitcoin et al. ... ( ) [21:37]
cazalla you wouldn't bother playing it for the payouts but i'm sure someone for who $2 a day is a lot would find it worthwhile [21:37]
PeterL davout sure [21:41]
davout ty! [21:41]
mircea_popescu cazalla $2 a day can't be a lot if you're stuck with a $500 piece of machinery + the bills for its maintenance. [21:47]
asciilifeform unless the $500 machine emulates 100,000 click-idiots [21:47]
cazalla steal one from whitey [21:47]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [21:47]
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PeterL davout: let me know if your posts don't show up [21:49]
kakobrekla actually i can just make assbot pm scoopbot 'fetch' every 30 seconds and noone will ever know i fixed it. [21:50]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:50]
mircea_popescu PeterL how often does it scan feeds anyway ? [21:51]
mircea_popescu can it be set so it scans every minute, on a diff second by the blog list ? [21:51]
PeterL kakobrekla: scoopbot is set to check blogs every 5 minutes, some people are impatient [21:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla is 5 minutes too slo ?! [21:52]
mircea_popescu i thought it was like a half hour [21:52]
kakobrekla i just find the whole fetch command thing silly. [21:53]
PeterL I think it might have been 15 minutes when I first made it? [21:54]
kakobrekla possibru [21:54]
PeterL well, cazalla asked for it, and it seemed easy enough to include [21:54]
kakobrekla 5 is better i guess idk rss sucks scam [21:54]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla srsly polling much more frequently than that's just a waste. [21:55]
kakobrekla yes there is only 20 years of internets left to go around [21:55]
kakobrekla use it slowly. [21:55]
mircea_popescu eh the world will live for five minutes at a stretch. [21:59]
scoopbot New post on by thestringpuller: [21:59]
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mircea_popescu PeterL i even excluded your parser from teh branding programme [22:00]
PeterL branding program? [22:00]
BingoBoingo Branding Pogrom? [22:01]
mircea_popescu if you look at the feeds they start with a token which describes the parser for my use [22:02]
mircea_popescu i used it extensively in the 2010-2011 period to identify and ban content spinners [22:02]
mircea_popescu haven't had a problem since. [22:02]
PeterL Is that what that garbledy gook is at the start of the feed summary is? [22:03]
mircea_popescu yeah [22:03]
PeterL EG "NjkuMTYyLjY0Ljgy What's anon talking about ?" [22:04]
mircea_popescu yes [22:04]
PeterL so that tell you what parser accessed your site? [22:04]
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mircea_popescu yes. [22:06]
mircea_popescu then if i see my stuff republished on mfa farms/whatever later on, it's trivial to ban the leech. [22:06]
PeterL aha, I see. please don't ban me [22:07]
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mircea_popescu no the reverse. [22:11]
mircea_popescu it shouldn't pop in your feeds no more. [22:11]
asciilifeform << no, not really plaintextable. but interesting. [22:11]
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PeterL "NDkxNDIwODUyMDg4fDY5LjE2Mi42NC44Mg== What's anon talking about" I think it got longer? [22:12]
asciilifeform (the first work i've chanced into on this subject, in many years, that isn't a regurgitation of old, tired pablum) [22:12]
mircea_popescu uhm. [22:13]
asciilifeform it's actually about embezzlement [22:13]
asciilifeform of reichsmarks, naturally [22:13]
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asciilifeform 'for science!' [22:14]
mircea_popescu PeterL you actually using multiple ips ?! [22:14]
asciilifeform decimation, ben_vulpes, undata ^ recommended reading [22:14]
PeterL well, there are two, one for the scoopbot and one for the blog agregator [22:14]
mircea_popescu well they got whitelisted both. [22:15]
PeterL is that going to take some time to take effect? [22:16]
mircea_popescu as soon as varnish catches on, i guess. [22:17]
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punkman asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2 << lack of hosting admin, mostly [22:22]
punkman mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month << I accept that [22:22]
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PeterL punkman: you are saying the thing works, you just need a server to run it on? [22:23]
punkman no it needs a sysadmin for the server, plenty of servers to be had [22:24]
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punkman Azelphur offered to do it couple of days ago, but too late I guess [22:25]
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PeterL asciilifeform: your linked death-ray pdf, in text: [22:28]
assbot ... ( ) [22:28]
asciilifeform PeterL: considerably less interesting without illustrations. and mangled formatting. [22:29]
asciilifeform PeterL: the 'it's still a turd, not sausage, even with relish' principle applies even here. [22:29]
asciilifeform PeterL: and we all have 'pdf2txt' or the like on our boxes. it isn't a solution. [22:30]
undata asciilifeform: thank you sir; I will [22:32]
PeterL " bullets with enormous electric charges would be accelerated in a special valve and emmited with several times the velocity of light." <<< lol [22:32]
asciilifeform PeterL: at the time, various folks (including mr. t) were experimenting with electron tubes of various descriptions. t claimed to have one 'open to the air' on one end (!) [22:33]
asciilifeform !s valvular conduit [22:34]
assbot 0 results for 'valvular conduit' : [22:34]
asciilifeform ;;google valvular conduit [22:34]
gribble Nikola Tesla'sValvular Conduit best video - YouTube: ; Tesla valve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Nikola Tesla's "Valvular Conduit" -- The Tesla Gas Turbine Patent: [22:34]
asciilifeform you can build one. it sort-of works. [22:34]
asciilifeform about 1/3 greater velocity of flow in one direction than another. [22:34]
decimation asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet [22:35]
asciilifeform decimation: don't be so quick to bury it. there's plenty on the air - just not in english. [22:35]
decimation deutsche welle, in particular, doesn't broadcast in german anymore (to my knowledge) [22:36]
decimation I think Russia still operates their Russian foreign broadcast service [22:37]
decimation So does China [22:37]
asciilifeform sw is 'the spare internet.' [22:37]
asciilifeform best to not forget it entirely. [22:37]
decimation the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes [22:38]
asciilifeform aside from atrocious 'lossiness' - but this is where highly-efficient 'graceful degradation' schemes like fountain-coding come in. [22:39]
asciilifeform (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) [22:40]
PeterL how high of bandwidth could you transmit over shortwave? [22:40]
decimation well, it's not just the high noise - it's also the terrible multipath that arises due to ionospheric propagation [22:40]
decimation but multipath can also be an advantage... [22:40]
decimation PeterL: a 'standard' shortwave channel is 4 kHz in width, through which you can push maybe a few kilobits/sec depending on what kind of scheme you are using [22:41]
mircea_popescu (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) << could leave it right to the rainfall collecting bucket [22:42]
mircea_popescu and listen to it while you bathe. [22:42]
asciilifeform ^ aha. [22:43]
asciilifeform (pessimistically) [22:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time. [22:44]
mircea_popescu instead, people having in their house the quantum equiv of gossipd [22:44]
decimation asciilifeform: herr shannon's limit ultimately governs your ability to push bits through a channel [22:44]
mircea_popescu (incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it) [22:44]
asciilifeform decimation: more prosaically, details like sunspot cycle and whether you are being jammed (deliberately or otherwise) [22:44]
asciilifeform entanglement << dicy, as it mostly entails ftl [22:45]
mircea_popescu quite dicy yes [22:45]
decimation indeed, as well as fine-grained details like your latitude, time of day, solar flares, etc [22:45]
mircea_popescu but that'll happen before "quantumcomputing" of any description, so... [22:45]
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decimation if anyone is interested in simulation, usg publishes a free software package to simulate shortwave paths: [22:46]
assbot VOACAP Online - professional-grade high-frequency (3-30 MHz) point-to-point propagation predictions ... ( ) [22:46]
asciilifeform entanglement diddling makes exotica like gravimetric comms, neutrino beam (!), etc. look realistic. [22:46]
decimation (that is a web 2.0 'front end' to the prediction program [22:46]
PeterL would 3-d printing help in manufacturing on of those tesla valves? [22:49]
asciilifeform btw entanglement to transmit rng to two ends is sop [22:50]
mircea_popescu kinda what quantum noise means [22:50]
asciilifeform (transmit synchronously) [22:51]
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assbot Lizard Stresser Runs on Hacked Home Routers — Krebs on Security ... ( ) [23:01]
BingoBoingo No surprises [23:01]
mircea_popescu heh. what's per pps cost ? or how do they price ? [23:04]
BingoBoingo Haven't looked. [23:04]
mircea_popescu "The botnet is not made entirely of home routers; some of the infected hosts appear to be commercial routers at universities and companies" [23:05]
mircea_popescu orly. im sure they're "commercial" in a sense other than, "moar bezzle" [23:06]
asciilifeform like most chumpnets. [23:06]
mircea_popescu "While you’re monkeying around with your router setting, consider changing the router’s default DNS servers to those maintained by OpenDNS." [23:08]
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mircea_popescu it's funny how these write-ups never fail to include some call or other to "join the horde" [23:08]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: traditionally they invite you to use google's dns ( [23:09]
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mircea_popescu the agenda of computing security is moved towards increased pwnability in the exact same way and for the exact same reasons the agenda of political discussion is moved towards increasing socialism. [23:09]
asciilifeform there isn't a 'good' dns, though. the very concept is a kind of contradiction, like a pleasant jail [23:10]
asciilifeform one can picture a terrible, mexican jail [23:10]
asciilifeform and a very demented isp with malignantly spamwildcardy dns [23:11]
asciilifeform but not 'good' [23:11]
mircea_popescu but one can readily understand why a verizon for dns is worse than any alternative. [23:11]
asciilifeform i'm told that other major telcos in usa have something not unlike it. [23:12]
asciilifeform mega-lol!! : [23:15]
asciilifeform 'hackforums' [23:15]
asciilifeform anyone who wants a good laugh, should visit the site [23:15]
asciilifeform these folks actually -buy- malware from one another [23:15]
asciilifeform and 'installs' (i.e. chumps) [23:15]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [23:16]
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asciilifeform often, even when source for xxxx is available, an idiot will pay (good money) to have 'a build' [23:16]
mircea_popescu why not ? [23:16]
asciilifeform spammers abound, offering 'installs' or soliciting to spam by the pound [23:16]
[]bot Bet placed: 4.72760085 BTC for Yes on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 83(Y):17(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.97039888 BTC. Current weight: 99,745. [23:17]
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asciilifeform sites like 'hackforum' are probably responsible for the 'man on the street' believing that there are vast oceans of money in crapware [23:17]
asciilifeform whereas many if not most of the folks involved have little intention (or ability) to pay the promised sums, or deliver, in many cases, the goods [23:18]
asciilifeform (some - do, sure; but adding up all of the 'puts' and 'asks', if you will, at face value, is still naive) [23:19]
mircea_popescu re : after an ad-hoc consultation half hour ago, the s.nsa board authorised a 4.72760085 BTC bet on the delivery side (1% of s.nsa equity). [23:19]
mircea_popescu i [23:19]
assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.93 B (83%) on Yes, 1.04 B (17%) on No | closing in 11 months 1 week| weight: 99`744 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [23:19]
asciilifeform ^ [23:19]
mircea_popescu i'm counting it as a marketing expense, unless we win, in which case hey, free money. [23:19]
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mircea_popescu for background [23:21]
assbot The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:21]
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asciilifeform 'Based on information provided by A.B., the Secret Service used facial recognition to identify Jack Farrel as Ryan Andrew Gustafson.”' (krebs) [23:21]
decimation lol ascii did you put your last bitcoin on 'no'? [23:22]
asciilifeform funny how this mostly slipped by [23:22]
asciilifeform decimation: lol! [23:22]
mircea_popescu who was jack farrell [23:24]
asciilifeform [23:24]
assbot Alleged Counterfeiter “Willy Clock” Arrested — Krebs on Security ... ( ) [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5407 @ 0.00066646 = 3.6035 BTC [+] [23:25]
[]bot Bet created: "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" [23:25]
decimation lol "According to the government’s complaint (PDF), the email address that Gustafson provided on his U.S. passport application was the same one he allegedly used to maintain a Facebook account under the Jack Farrel alias." [23:26]
asciilifeform << another lol from krebs, re: 'hackforum' [23:26]
assbot Even Script Kids Have a Right to Be Forgotten — Krebs on Security ... ( ) [23:26]
BingoBoingo A Poetteringism [23:26]
assbot Fedora Development -- Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages ... ( ) [23:26]
danielpbarron !up beautyon [23:28]
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beautyon So it's war then. [23:29]
BingoBoingo Yeah [23:29]
BingoBoingo This war was foretold long ago [23:30]
assbot The tundra artichoke from frozen hell. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:30]
mircea_popescu lolwut [23:31]
mircea_popescu wtf bs "right to be forgotten". there's no such right, unless they're forgotten they're remembered. [23:31]
beautyon The enemy must be contacting all the miners in private to get them to switch. Or is that irrelevant? [23:32]
decimation the romans tried damnatio memoriae [23:32]
decimation didn't work very well [23:32]
asciilifeform the phrase is, i think, a reference to an eu-ism [23:33]
asciilifeform [23:33]
assbot Right to be forgotten | Technology | The Guardian ... ( ) [23:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo am i thick or is the answer about as related to what it quotes as gavin's "covered" is related to economy ? [23:34]
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mircea_popescu beautyon even if a vast majority of miners switch it still doesn't do anything for him. [23:34]
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mircea_popescu doubt they will. some pool ops might be clueless enough to try and hijack the network to please gavin/usg, but that's ok, they'll get shot later. [23:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm just building a metaphor based on Past Trilema posts which is surprising easy when you write as much as you. I figure the Tundra artichokes can be worked into a sort of Tarqin/Poppy reference. [23:35]
mircea_popescu lol [23:35]
decimation << Yezhov was friends with Stalin [23:35]
assbot Nikolai Yezhov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [23:36]
mircea_popescu i had plainly forgotten that article, imagine my surprise when i see an unfamilir title called up and the server actually respond. [23:36]
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beautyon mircea_popescu: Surely he must know in that case that he cannot possibly win and this change will be rejected. It means forsaking control of the future direction of the standard and ceding it to you. [23:37]
BingoBoingo Well isn't that what Trilema's for. So you can save your memory's immediate recall juice for more pressing issues. [23:37]
BingoBoingo beautyon: Gavin really doesn't even seem to like Bitcoin that much anymore. [23:38]
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beautyon BingoBoingo: Then he should walk away. Unless he _likes_ being a lightning rod. [23:39]
BingoBoingo beautyon: Well he can't quit without becoming a nobody so he prolly figures he might as well try to kill the thing himself. [23:40]
mircea_popescu beautyon i don't think you understand how the us politico mind works. [23:42]
beautyon BingoBoingo: I actually believe that might be true on a subconscious level. Astonishing. [23:42]
mircea_popescu as far as they're concerned, any stupidity they try is ok, "nobody could have foreseen it won't work" and it's putin's fault. [23:42]
BingoBoingo beautyon: If you want a historical thing similarly sank by mircea_popescu [23:42]
assbot Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:42]
mircea_popescu i fully expect them to try, fail, and then spend the next six months writing how mp is a scammer all over reddit/the boy's bathroom [23:42]
BingoBoingo ;;google stock exchange holders on welfare [23:43]
gribble The Implications of Limited Stock Market Participation for ...: ; How Shareholders Are Hurting America - ProPublica: ; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: (1 more message) [23:43]
BingoBoingo ;;google stock exchange holders on welfare [23:43]
gribble The stockexchange shareholders on welfare pe Trilema - Un blog ...: [23:43]
mircea_popescu i don't know that vessenes' happy scamfarm is or ever was involved in anything to do with standards. [23:44]
mircea_popescu for that matter, bitcoin does have a standards body, [23:45]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( ) [23:45]
beautyon mircea_popescu: as long as it stays on Reddit that's fine. They had better prepare to back down quickly, or suffer losses. Sadly these feeble men run to the courts habitually which may or may not be a nuisance. [23:46]
mircea_popescu eh, you need money for that. [23:46]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 92(Y):8(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,962. [23:46]
mircea_popescu vessenes' outta dough, the rest of the scammers involved are barely solvent and burried under tons of lawsuits (karpeles, caleb, ver, kenna, you name it) [23:47]
mircea_popescu they recently announced "they will focus on btc core", ie, "we can't afford anything past gavin's salary". and not even that for all of 2015. [23:47]
mircea_popescu so... it's a wart in full process of taking care of itself. [23:47]
decimation I wonder why there is so much action against gold [23:48]
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beautyon Andressen, Wilson, Brito: two multi millionaire Statists and a Washington wonk, hell bent on the law. It will be interesting to see if they are for fork / suicide. [23:49]
mircea_popescu what wilson ? cody ?! [23:49]
beautyon If only! [23:50]
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joecool mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks??? [23:50]
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mircea_popescu iirc mod6 reported that this is now the case [23:51]
mircea_popescu in the most recent monthly address [23:51]
mircea_popescu beautyon who then ? that guy with a blog, whatever it was called ? [23:51]
beautyon [23:51]
assbot 2/ the answer is not to ignore them or fight them. the answer is to educate them, inform them, and work with them [23:51]
mircea_popescu o, that dood. *shrug* [23:52]
BingoBoingo Ah, the comedian [23:52]
mircea_popescu i have my doubts he's allowed to commit anything past words in this matter. [23:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, he's welcome to participate in bitcoin just as soon as he completes his log reading stage and persuades anyone his head's not full of straw. [23:54]
beautyon Their loss of control is going to harden their attitudes. I can't wait to see them squirm. [23:54]
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BingoBoingo They never really had control of anything. [23:56]
mircea_popescu beautyon anyway, for a very instructive example of how the courts work for bitcoin "captn's of industry", there's that recent hashfast debacle [23:57]
mircea_popescu [23:57]
assbot HashFast - or why the fiat legal system doesn't actually exist and doesn't actually matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:57]
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beautyon BingoBoingo: That realization will make them even MOAR furious. They are out of time, and these silly associations are window dressing at best. [23:59]
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