Forum logs for 08 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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WolfGoethe hello [00:05]
BingoBoingo Hello. Any thoughts on events that have transpired since your last visit? [00:06]
WolfGoethe events? [00:08]
WolfGoethe the dropping of the price? [00:08]
PeterL when was your last visit? [00:08]
WolfGoethe month or two ago [00:08]
BingoBoingo Well, that or ButtStamp. Or any number of things. [00:09]
WolfGoethe no idea about bitstamp or paycoin [00:09]
WolfGoethe i have been pondering the possiblity of banker meddling in the bitcoin price [00:09]
BingoBoingo Well, dollars are cheap [00:10]
mircea_popescu lol [00:10]
BingoBoingo "Buy high, sell low" works for oil [00:10]
WolfGoethe clearly they are attacking gold and silver desperate to keep the dollar high, they attacked the russian economy by working with opec to lower oil prices [00:10]
mircea_popescu i always thought WolfGoethe = vexual [00:10]
WolfGoethe not too far out of scope to see them messing with bitcoin just to keep the lid on how worthless the dollar is [00:10]
BingoBoingo Why work with all of Opec when you can just deal with the House of Saud's gerontocracy and that rogue state of North Dakota? [00:11]
PeterL who is "them"? [00:11]
WolfGoethe also if Russia answered their attack with chinese help we could very easily have $1,000,000 bitcoin in a month [00:11]
mircea_popescu PeterL the lizard tribe doh. [00:11]
mircea_popescu WolfGoethe no because captain planet would intervene. [00:11]
WolfGoethe the house of Saud is a completely controlled puppet government yes [00:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The reptilians. The DDoS people ruined the lizard word like all marketers do. [00:12]
BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Nah, it is just old. [00:12]
mircea_popescu i think the reptilians are just a ruse. [00:12]
mircea_popescu i mean sure, they did wtc, but what've they done for us since ? [00:12]
WolfGoethe i do not want to get into the spiritual stuff, as that is way to deep for most folks [00:12]
BingoBoingo Patriot act? [00:12]
WolfGoethe clearly all this has spiritual roots, only an intergenrational intelligence and master arcitect could have perverted everything 180 degrees [00:13]
mircea_popescu the meta dougornay ?! [00:13]
mircea_popescu (it only rhymes with nowai because it's true) [00:14]
WolfGoethe i really think bitcoin could spike to a million bucks if Putin worked with China to answer the us economic attack. putin could just say he refuses to pay back their loans because of the sanctions and he could ask china to call in their us debt... the fed could just print cash to buy it up... but if china sold that debt to foreign governments... the fed could NOT print foreign currency.. so... overnight the dollar would collapse... not a shot [00:14]
WolfGoethe fired [00:14]
WolfGoethe Putin doesn;t wanna go there tho. he is sitting back [00:15]
BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Why would they fire though before USMS "auctions" the last silk road parcel. [00:15]
mircea_popescu it all depends on cuba [00:15]
BingoBoingo repost from earlier [00:15]
WolfGoethe cuba sold putin out, the idiots... they will get a color revolution soon. the moment fidel dies [00:15]
assbot ... ( ) [00:15]
mircea_popescu color red ? [00:15]
WolfGoethe the usa wants to hit russia and china first with a nuke attack before they get their mutual defense up [00:16]
BingoBoingo No entirely right. Obama surrendered to Raoul Castro. [00:16]
WolfGoethe obama surrendered??? [00:16]
BingoBoingo To Cuba. [00:16]
WolfGoethe what? are you being sarcastic? [00:16]
BingoBoingo Why would USSA. USSA first strike would require just about all of the H-bombs that still work. [00:16]
mircea_popescu [00:16]
BingoBoingo Not at all. [00:16]
assbot Blame Canada - South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut (3/9) Movie CLIP (1999) HD - YouTube ... ( ) [00:16]
WolfGoethe the usa mvoed in because cuba and russia were getting to close. putin foragev 32 billion bucks of cuba debt.. and wanted a prescense on the island [00:17]
WolfGoethe this was a geopolitical move to cut russia off [00:17]
WolfGoethe their goal is to cut off venezula and the bolivarian revolution and then encircle brazil [00:17]
WolfGoethe this is geopolitics 101 not complciated [00:17]
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BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: No. It was to appeal to the democratic base lest 'Murica's other socialist party do it in 2017. [00:18]
WolfGoethe .... boingo.. r u serious? [00:18]
WolfGoethe lol.. ok brah.. yeah.. thats the ticket [00:18]
WolfGoethe i am a fool [00:18]
WolfGoethe thinking it had something to do with russia and full spectrum domiannce [00:19]
WolfGoethe it is just so obama can get some mo votes for his pal... hilary [00:19]
WolfGoethe lol [00:19]
BingoBoingo Yeah, Obama has sold a large part of America's electorate on Cuban style socialism and he want's to let them know he's stronger than the R-socialist party to making friends with cuba [00:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, this has been good enough for nao. [00:19]
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BingoBoingo Well, it's the sort of diversion gossipd will render largely irrelevant. [00:21]
BingoBoingo The burden of impressing to get a connect to a gossipd node for the casual I imagine will be much higher than getting a !up nao. [00:22]
mircea_popescu prolly depends where [00:23]
mircea_popescu im sure there's going to be skankier nodes [00:23]
mircea_popescu actually thinking of it... cautions will probably be common. [00:23]
mircea_popescu "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back" [00:23]
BingoBoingo Prolly. It's just this increment voice evolution seems to be proceeding at a humanly sane pace. [00:24]
mircea_popescu mhm [00:24]
BingoBoingo "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back" << The way I understand gossipd... fair collateral seems closer to 15-20 BTC [00:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00065884 = 8.7296 BTC [+] {2} [00:25]
asciilifeform "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back << perfectly happy to run a blockchain telegraph gateway. [00:25]
mircea_popescu well... there's going to be skankier nodes [00:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11704 @ 0.00066806 = 7.819 BTC [+] {3} [00:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how do you mean ? [00:26]
BingoBoingo A current trust slut doesn't have the gossipd burden of getting its owner's actual orfices pounded. [00:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as described in my article by the same name [00:26]
* mircea_popescu wonders how the artifexd residence looks. [00:26]
mircea_popescu piles of scribbled notes and thrown matter [00:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i got that part. but the relation ? [00:27]
artifexd nope [00:27]
mircea_popescu o hai [00:27]
BingoBoingo !up PeterL [00:27]
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PeterL ok, I think I got it working again: [00:27]
assbot #bitcoin-assets blog posts ... ( ) [00:27]
artifexd My woman keeps the place in excellent order. [00:27]
mircea_popescu props to her [00:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah, simply suggesting that one could allow folks to speak on a cell by blocktelegraphing in [00:28]
mircea_popescu cool PeterL [00:28]
PeterL but it seems to be missing trilema posts. [00:28]
mircea_popescu sooo... tat gave up his blog too ? [00:29]
PeterL which is tat? [00:29]
BingoBoingo << TaT' [00:30]
assbot The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be. ... ( ) [00:30]
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asciilifeform gave up << it seems to still be there ? [00:30]
nubbins` PeterL tat was the neobee guy. [00:31]
mircea_popescu PeterL yeah nothing from trilema, how come ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform october ? [00:31]
PeterL I seem to be getting an error trying to process unicode characters in python [00:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mine - june! [00:31]
nubbins` PeterL he ran a bunch of passthroughs and other sucker games on the various scamsites before retiring [00:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and there are many gaps at least that long [00:32]
mircea_popescu aha [00:32]
mircea_popescu im more of a daily sort of guy [00:32]
BingoBoingo [00:32]
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decimation PeterL: unicode is kinda gay [00:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: speaking of which, whatever happed to the marvelous british invention of the 'pig burial' ? [00:34]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Very good question. [00:35]
ben_vulpes sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ? << perhaps someday consider the use of the alien technology "postgresql" [00:35]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes for wordpress ? [00:36]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: can't see why not. [00:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I hear it can be forced. [00:36]
mircea_popescu all this stemmed from hanbot's comment on the gossipd article which was supposed to be like 120kb. [00:36]
mircea_popescu why not ? because i won't fucking rewrite wordpress wtf. [00:36]
ben_vulpes lord wordpress needs a rewriting to work with other databaxen? [00:38]
mircea_popescu i am sure. [00:38]
asciilifeform << related [00:39]
artifexd The simple solution would be to alter the table to change the column type from TEXT to LONGTEXT. That will give you 2**32 characters of space [00:39]
assbot Swine: Secret Weapon Against Islamic Terror? - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva ... ( ) [00:39]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: There are tales of WP working with Postgre and others in off the shelf configuration, much as there are sightings of a loch ness monster with feathers. [00:39]
mircea_popescu PeterL what unicode does trilema spit out that chokes your script ? [00:39]
mircea_popescu artifexd it got changed to something like that but a diff name [00:39]
asciilifeform << ru pigburial [00:39]
ben_vulpes wai [00:39]
assbot Chechen Terrorists to be Buried in Pigskin - Latest News Briefs - Arutz Sheva ... ( ) [00:39]
ben_vulpes wai web so shit [00:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform [00:40]
assbot Britain First Extremists Plot Pig Burial to Halt Controversial Dudley Mega Mosque ... ( ) [00:40]
PeterL just a sec, let me find it again [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: slightly different gambit there [00:40]
mircea_popescu "Britain First represents everything we disagree with and they represent the worst of all worlds, by putting on a patriotic face while promulgating division." [00:41]
asciilifeform << lol [00:41]
mircea_popescu gotta be unionized! [00:41]
assbot luanjunyi/gossipd · GitHub ... ( ) [00:41]
mircea_popescu "Gossipd is an implementation of MQTT 3.1 broker written in Go. MQTT is an excellent protocal for mobile messaging." [00:42]
mircea_popescu sounds like it went faor [00:42]
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decimation asciilifeform: you might find this amusing [00:56]
assbot MyHDL ... ( ) [00:56]
undata decimation: here have this [01:01]
assbot Node OS ... ( ) [01:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7080 @ 0.00021001 = 1.4869 BTC [+] {3} [01:01]
BingoBoingo WHY!!!!! [01:02]
BingoBoingo "Let's do Google's Android, but somehow make it suck MOARRRR!!!!!" [01:02]
decimation lol nodejs [01:03]
undata it's that imitative mind [01:03]
decimation node.js is run by that joyent mafia [01:04]
undata JS is widespread, therefore good. Operating Systems are hard and people who make them are well known. I should sculpt my one shitty skill into hardthing and be well known. [01:04]
BingoBoingo Knife is hard, but ribmeat is soft!!! [01:04]
decimation < node.js, etc [01:06]
assbot Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch [01:06]
BingoBoingo ^ 4d26f9ff93d05876c1cd67dfc27de7b925949274 [01:06]
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undata already handled in logs, but ye gods the bile it summons [01:10]
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BingoBoingo [01:10]
assbot Reply to /izakaminska Financial Times blog post on Bitstamp hack. [01:10]
BingoBoingo undata: I count this past new years as successful as I fot to see my bile on January second. That means this is going to be a fun year. [01:11]
undata groundhog day at the vomitorium? [01:12]
BingoBoingo undata: Except actually ahs indicative power in my experience. [01:13]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Apparently something unfortunate happened to your neighbors during their game of "almost golf" [01:14]
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BingoBoingo !up cardigm [01:21]
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BingoBoingo Hello cardigm [01:21]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i must confess that i do not know how, and with what, the game of 'almost golf' is played; or how it relates to what is happening in the photo. [01:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So You take a bunch of people, 5 on the field of paly at a time. Goal is putting a bouncy ball through a hoop of fixed height. [01:26]
asciilifeform lol [01:26]
BingoBoingo The major advantage in playing the game comes from a player being as close to the hoop's height as possible. [01:26]
* asciilifeform would prefer to see the aztec 'basketball' [01:26]
mod6 yeah, with the hoop on the side. [01:27]
mod6 and a ball of stone [01:27]
mod6 murder-ball [01:27]
asciilifeform by some account, not stone [01:27]
mod6 ah. maybe a stuffed goat bladder or something [01:27]
asciilifeform head of captain of former champion team. [01:27]
* BingoBoingo actuall prefers American football for the ways it stays truer to the spirit of indigenous sports. [01:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00063289 = 19.2082 BTC [-] {2} [01:28]
mod6 modern american football is a joke compared to what it used to be, its basically unwatchable these days. [01:28]
BingoBoingo mod6: NFL, totally unwatchable. College game. This bowl season a coach broke his nose. Running back shat his pants... and these were the more normal anomalies. [01:29]
mod6 yeah, college is better. the plays they do are "creative" too. [01:30]
mod6 hockey is about all i can really get into as far as pro sports. [01:30]
mod6 lol, did you see Chris Christie during the Cowboys/Lions game? DEEERRRP [01:31]
BingoBoingo Hockey and Baseball are the pro sports I watch. [01:31]
BingoBoingo Nah [01:31]
BingoBoingo NFL. Did not watch. [01:31]
mod6 omg. it was embarassing [01:32]
mod6 but ya, the NFL is just brutal. its an abortion of what it used to be 25+ years ago [01:32]
mod6 are you a blues fan? [01:34]
BingoBoingo mod6: Nominally. I like hockey in the way that I'd rather see a good game than follow a team. [01:37]
mod6 werd [01:37]
mod6 blues have been a good team for last number of years. [01:37]
BingoBoingo Baseball, I get territorial. [01:37]
mod6 cards fan 'eh :) [01:37]
BingoBoingo Blues have always hovered somewhere between making the playoffs and missing a championship. [01:38]
BingoBoingo Cards though... Imma give Matheney all of the explatives for only making the playoffs. [01:38]
mod6 Remember when they had Brett Hull? They were pretty good back then too. [01:38]
BingoBoingo !matheney [01:38]
BingoBoingo mod6: They were [01:38]
BingoBoingo Had Gretsky too for a time [01:39]
mod6 that's right! [01:39]
BingoBoingo mod6: Even mircea_popescu Hates matheney's coaching though [01:40]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job. [01:40]
BingoBoingo This was back when Carlos Martinez's twitter account consisted of a wall of vaginas he'd enjoyed [01:40]
mod6 haha. [01:41]
mod6 the Twins finally ditched Gardy. [01:41]
mod6 a likeable guy, but just lost control of that team a few years back. [01:41]
BingoBoingo I saw. Chicago Cunts changed managers yet again too. [01:41]
mod6 ya [01:41]
BingoBoingo Cubs hired the guy who used to coach in the #BitcoinBowl stadium [01:42]
mod6 the Twins built that Target field for $1bn bezzle bucks. and if you step outside to smoke the fascist asswads wont let you re-enter. [01:43]
BingoBoingo They let you re-enter at Busch Stadium built with mostly private money... [01:43]
BingoBoingo Because the Los Angeles Rams fucked over the StL teams [01:44]
mod6 They let you re-enter at Fenway too. [01:44]
mod6 and they sell some killer brats. and old guys walk around and sell hot cups of "clamchowdah" [01:45]
mod6 'GET YA HOT CHOWDAH!' [01:45]
BingoBoingo When I go to the cards games most I eat there is a hot dog. Gotta make hose $6 beers work. [01:46]
mod6 yeah, lol. they're like $8 or something at Target field. its bananas. mind as well get a mixed drink. [01:46]
BingoBoingo Oh, mixed drinks at Busch cost nothing less than rape. [01:47]
mod6 haha. they grape you in the mouth 'eh [01:47]
BingoBoingo !s molina [01:47]
assbot 9 results for 'molina' : [01:47]
mod6 *bloop* irssi just told me that i've passed my #b-a byte allotment for the year. [01:48]
mod6 :D [01:48]
BingoBoingo Happens [01:49]
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BingoBoingo Even MP has an idea of Yadi that is true sports celebrity [01:50]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2014 18:16:44; mircea_popescu: so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ? [01:50]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2014 18:16:44; mircea_popescu: so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ? [01:50]
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mod6 ah [01:51]
mod6 yeah. [01:51]
BingoBoingo Like every winning team the Cardinals preach family values when called for yet shank people in the alley when necessary. [01:51]
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BingoBoingo !up cardigm [01:52]
mod6 heheh [01:52]
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mod6 i was following the twins closer until a certain $100M player came down with "bi-lateral leg weakness" [01:53]
mod6 it's like $100M!? [01:54]
BingoBoingo One economic problem I will never get is dual sports players in college declaring for the NFL draft and skipping the MLB draft (looking at you rapin Jaimis) [01:54]
BingoBoingo For the average to exceptional player the NFL offers more moneyper year over less years, while MLB offers more total money over a longer period of time. [01:55]
BingoBoingo SOme serious cult mentality there. [01:55]
mod6 ya. [01:56]
mod6 sports would be better if these knuckleheads just had to play for their meal ticket [01:56]
mod6 and "glory" or w/e [01:56]
BingoBoingo Or if they'd think economically. Bo Jackson could have had another decade of professional playing time... If he didn't let the NFL cripple his body. [01:58]
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mod6 Bo Jackson was awesome. [01:58]
BingoBoingo Indeed [01:58]
mod6 I think i have a rookie card of his somehwere around here. [01:58]
* BingoBoingo is kind of aggrevied Mussina didn't make the HOF this year in spite of inventing much of contemporary successful pitching. [01:59]
mod6 think they'll ever give in and let Rose into the HOF? [02:00]
BingoBoingo Eventually, probably on a reconcilliation ballot or some shit. I don't see a need for them to though. Their denial has only made his legend stronger. [02:01]
mod6 How is it that MLB is regulated by Congress? [02:02]
BingoBoingo mod6: The same way congress overreaches by proposing ex-post facto laws contrary to the constitution like [02:03]
assbot Ex-PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [02:03]
BingoBoingo Nominally they say anti-trust. [02:03]
BingoBoingo In reality they jsut contravene actual law for 10 minutes of voter attention. [02:04]
mod6 haha. it's nuts. [02:04]
mod6 what a waste of taxpayer money [02:04]
BingoBoingo Totally. [02:05]
BingoBoingo So the StL rams majority owner proposed a new stadium complex in LA. [02:05]
mod6 so they're gonna be the LA Rams again? [02:05]
BingoBoingo A veto block of other team owners opposes the rams moving because it would prevent them from blackmailing their city governments with the threat of a move to LA [02:06]
mod6 heheh [02:06]
BingoBoingo My money would be on London Rams and LA Raiders. [02:06]
mod6 really? [02:06]
BingoBoingo Yeah. [02:07]
BingoBoingo But you prolly wouldn't like my odds [02:07]
BingoBoingo Because of the way the 4 outcome bet would lay out... unfriendly to any who touch it. [02:07]
ben_vulpes god finally logged up [02:09]
mod6 more and more like airstrip one all the time [02:09]
BingoBoingo Indeed [02:10]
mod6 Hi ben_vulpes! [02:10]
BingoBoingo The United States though probably leads the world in circus mobility [02:10]
* BingoBoingo wonders if circus obility command is an actual office somewhere [02:10]
BingoBoingo !up WolfGoethe [02:10]
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BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice? [02:11]
WolfGoethe nope, coding a new btc escrow market [02:12]
BingoBoingo Sounds dangerous. [02:12]
WolfGoethe only one out now is localbitcoins, could use alot of improvement [02:13]
BingoBoingo As far as anyone knows localbitcoins is 3 Belgians and a 5Is leak. [02:14]
BingoBoingo If actual and not alt gribble was around #bitcoin-otc would be prime for action [02:15]
WolfGoethe 5ls leak? what does that mean? [02:15]
BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Not 5ls, 5Is [02:15]
ben_vulpes hola mod6 [02:15]
ben_vulpes dunno if anyone ever noticed this but the gpg.db file has a users table [02:15]
ben_vulpes as does the ratingsystem.db file [02:15]
* ben_vulpes had not planned on a normalization excursion tonight, rather, wanted the otc db shooped into mother postgres [02:16]
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mircea_popescu it's that imitative mind << imitathive [02:26]
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mircea_popescu Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch << well he wasn't being paid, so technically they uh. [02:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lmao buterin is still clogging the pipes ? [02:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He is, and I intend to shit in his mouth every step of the way if I can keep my dietary fiber intake up. [02:31]
mircea_popescu enjoy. [02:31]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because for some reason he didn't die wit Bitcoin Ragazine [02:31]
mircea_popescu this is the blockchain technologies / ethereum guy isn't he ? [02:32]
mircea_popescu somehow i have trouble distinguishing all the biafra faces of these "entrepreneur" folk [02:32]
BingoBoingo I dunno they differ much. Vitalik though is the singular name ethereum invokes. [02:33]
mircea_popescu mod6: and "glory" or w/e << soviet sports kinda beat us sports on this model. [02:37]
BingoBoingo In hockey the Canadians and Somalians kinda beat them both. [02:37]
mircea_popescu well no more soviets anymoar. [02:38]
undata @mircea_popescu | it's that imitative mind << imitathive << the reddit hive seems to have caused a malfunction in something very normal and human [02:38]
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undata where the thing that causes most people to follow someone and obey has wrapped around itself [02:38]
undata *caused [02:38]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: What did Chicago become then when Obama surrendered to Raoul??? [02:38]
undata reddit as a sort of shared mindless leader, or at least a point to swarm around [02:38]
mircea_popescu well yeah. i wish there was reddit spray for ants [02:39]
mircea_popescu get each ant think the other ant is the queen [02:39]
mircea_popescu watch some pretty sick fractal motion [02:39]
undata mircea_popescu: there is a phenomenon where the ants swarm in a vortex until they starve [02:39]
mircea_popescu myeah [02:39]
mircea_popescu bezmetic [02:39]
BingoBoingo undata: +/- voting is broken period. /. is the least broken implementation which is far from encouraging [02:39]
undata BingoBoingo: I mean that force in society by which a man knows which way to go. [02:40]
BingoBoingo get each ant think the other ant is the queen << You can do this with some mamals [02:40]
BingoBoingo undata: Problem with Reddit is it is hard to realize that a man is a man. [02:40]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: it's hard enough to recognize a man in the first place [02:40]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Then grow a better beard. [02:41]
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mircea_popescu just in fucking time eh. [02:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice? / WolfGoethe: nope, coding a new btc escrow market < goes straight to bash [02:42]
BingoBoingo Bin Laden would probably die if a single hair from my chin found his larynx. A lot of stored energy in those curls [02:42]
undata my hair is engaged in a slow migration from forehead to chin [02:42]
BingoBoingo undata: Do people actually do that? [02:43]
undata do what? [02:43]
BingoBoingo Less forhead, more chin. [02:43]
undata dunno if that's biologically a thing [02:44]
undata probably depends on the person [02:44]
undata anyhow re: beards there are plenty of those around PDX but far fewer men [02:44]
BingoBoingo Both areas filled in for me around 13 and I've been policing the land between evwer since [02:44]
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BingoBoingo #NoUnibrow [02:46]
ben_vulpes poor undata's under a lot of stress [02:49]
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ben_vulpes LEAVE UNDATA ALONE [02:49]
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undata haha [02:49]
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* mircea_popescu pensively rubs his grey beard [02:49]
undata s'what I get for thinking business was what a man does in 'merica [02:49]
mircea_popescu I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO! [02:49]
undata I should've just gone to the valley to suck dick until I had enough to expatriate [02:49]
undata but you live and learn [02:50]
mircea_popescu or at least regurgitate [02:50]
undata haha [02:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've got a lot of red skin under my black beard after I prepped for fiat job interview Tuesday. [02:50]
mircea_popescu what job was it ? [02:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ekectronic reserves. Interviewed Tuesday. Decision Friday. Won't interfere with Qntra, but fiat income can help save some BTC from hell. [02:52]
mircea_popescu gl. [02:52]
BingoBoingo I hope I get it. BTC has never been cheaper for adopted value. [02:53]
BingoBoingo Who needs sleep anyways. [02:53]
mircea_popescu hehe ya [02:55]
undata my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference [02:55]
undata "fucking django, god damn it" *rolls over* [02:55]
mircea_popescu tell her i said she should finger your butthole when you do that. [02:56]
undata hahaha, I will relay that message verbatim. [02:57]
undata absent presently [02:57]
mircea_popescu then undata brain will be like "fuck that irl django, the asleep django' smuch better. must sleep moar." [02:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo had no day job? [02:57]
* asciilifeform was certain he had spoken of one [02:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No day job since spring 2012. [02:58]
asciilifeform and what's an ekectronic (electronic?) reserve ? [02:58]
asciilifeform something akin to army reserve? [02:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Those things the tortises disallow you. [02:58]
undata BingoBoingo: sounds lovely; how did you spend your leisure? [02:58]
BingoBoingo undata: By eating too many BTC in spring 2013. [02:59]
* undata longs for the day he can just sit down with some parenthesis and build a web thing that makes sense [02:59]
cazalla ;;pretendlater tell PeterL published your article, ty [02:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the reference is lost on me [02:59]
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mircea_popescu lol cazalla [02:59]
mod6 heheh [02:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So the terrapins that run your library... deny you journals. In this job I would take PDFs and basically be in charge of posting them online for students. [03:01]
asciilifeform ahaha [03:01]
* asciilifeform had no idea anyone were still paid for this duty; thought it was carried out by slave labour [03:01]
mircea_popescu slave labour > paid labour. [03:02]
scoopbot New post on by PeterL: [03:02]
BingoBoingo What are librarians but slaves who would have been lawyers. [03:02]
* asciilifeform jams elbow into apparatus from day job [03:04]
mircea_popescu btw, no qntra reporting on the blocks war thing ? [03:06]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: tsp working on block wars piece, /me working on Ver vs. 'Murican legal anomolie piece [03:07]
cazalla mircea_popescu, the someone that is writing that piece has a day job [03:07]
* BingoBoingo drinking tonight and writing so waiting on sobriety to pull the trigger so that it matters. [03:08]
mircea_popescu cazalla but... it's night now :D [03:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But the qntra is a global conglomerate. Too early for him to have peanut butter jelly time. [03:09]
mircea_popescu hehe true ture. [03:09]
cazalla ya know, every time ya make these story suggestions, it feels like that scene in Casino [03:11]
BingoBoingo FU Hank, WHY can't you fix this Hank [03:13]
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mircea_popescu cazalla which one ? [03:13]
cazalla chairman of the fucking board philip green [03:14]
mircea_popescu now i gotta check casino [03:15]
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cazalla yeah, i youtubed it but google gave me a scene from Casino Royale instead.. [03:16]
* asciilifeform wonders if the folks who were to bring out engine of war in the blockwar, are also mired in day jobs [03:16]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes... ? [03:16]
ben_vulpes things proceed slowly, asciilifeform. [03:16]
ben_vulpes the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge [03:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: To my knowledge the irony of ironies is that ben_vulpes has a day job while I merely chse worms away from plants fruiting seasonal delights. [03:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wai wat [03:17]
cazalla personally, my own feelings match gaggi's "why take a chance" scene [03:17]
ben_vulpes (gdb) Killed [03:17]
mircea_popescu lol [03:17]
mircea_popescu that gaggi scene is pretty great. [03:18]
mircea_popescu "at least... that's how i feel about it." [03:18]
asciilifeform oom-killed ? [03:18]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's a good question [03:19]
ben_vulpes i just... [03:19]
ben_vulpes !s read cpp [03:19]
assbot 1 results for 'read cpp' : [03:19]
BingoBoingo [03:19]
assbot Duran Duran - Dance Into The Fire - YouTube ... ( ) [03:19]
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BingoBoingo ^ At that deviation from filmed version I come cheaper and more authentic than actual Duran Duran [03:20]
BingoBoingo !up badon [03:20]
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BingoBoingo DANCE INTO THE FIRE [03:20]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: know if anyone ever tried getting the thing to build in, e.g., Cint ? [03:20]
asciilifeform [03:20]
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ben_vulpes not to the best of my knowledge, no. [03:21]
asciilifeform (there are several similar products) [03:21]
ben_vulpes what'd be the gain, asciilifeform? [03:21]
asciilifeform debug the only gain [03:22]
BingoBoingo Linked example though is exactly why world needs competent drunks. [03:22]
asciilifeform what other gain possible from such a thing [03:22]
asciilifeform the sad thing is, [03:22]
ben_vulpes my imagination is impoverished, asciilifeform. i know not what i know not. [03:22]
asciilifeform i actually got as far as to marshal most of the thing into my head [03:22]
asciilifeform but have no time to do the logical step of actually telling ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu 'which screw to turn' [03:23]
ben_vulpes which screw to turn to do what [03:23]
ben_vulpes the magic line what rips out bdb? [03:24]
mircea_popescu ah, the drama of building a new world with hands and however you call that little thing they mix mortar in [03:24]
ben_vulpes prevents memory leaks? [03:24]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: all of these things [03:24]
ben_vulpes magically condenses the codebase into something fathomable by mortals like i? [03:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i believe: trowel [03:24]
badon thanks BingoBoingo [03:24]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The hard problem I see if why you are right about UDP, mircea_popescu right about not signing everything, etc is that the new world is complicated. We aren't slaying mere aztecs anymoar [03:24]
mircea_popescu nah, round [03:25]
ben_vulpes cement mixer?! [03:25]
* BingoBoingo has round and square trowels in garage [03:25]
asciilifeform the funny thing is, that ben_vulpes almost certainly has considerably more truck with projects akin to the one in this thread, than i do [03:25]
mircea_popescu << this item [03:26]
assbot ... ( ) [03:26]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But with custmers demanding lesser results [03:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: last i recall, he cranked out nozzle skirts for maneuvering jets, for someone or other [03:27]
ben_vulpes i'm having trouble imagining in which ways my mine work resembles spelunking through the satoshi codebase. [03:27]
ben_vulpes i've ne'er cranked out nozzles for anyone. [03:27]
asciilifeform damn, who was it then [03:27]
* asciilifeform dives into log [03:27]
ben_vulpes you exaggerate my accomplishments. [03:27]
BingoBoingo I mean it took a fuck ton of beating to get former classmates to recognize this [03:27]
assbot We might use IRC in class next semester. That would be interesting. [03:27]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: my professional slave time's been strictly constrained to cross-domain systems engineering in high-voltage wafer testing, machine shop engineering, production line automation and retarded "web" "technologies". [03:29]
asciilifeform aha, process man [03:29]
ben_vulpes consider the rocketry a undergrad's self indulgence, not too different from your lisp machine obsessions. [03:29]
mircea_popescu a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges" [03:29]
ben_vulpes the f1's - similarly unressurectable. [03:30]
ben_vulpes the topologically similar jobs - as miserable as you'd no doubt find my current line of employ. [03:30]
BingoBoingo a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges" << OMG It's QNtra!!! [03:31]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as for me, i mostly reverse-engineer things for money. but occasionally i build something to make other things more reverse-engineerable. [03:31]
ben_vulpes but go on asciilifeform, i wait nigh on tenterhooks to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase maintenance. [03:31]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but i think i already described this onece [03:31]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i used to do something like actual work, long ago. [03:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ? [03:32]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: once, twice... [03:32]
BingoBoingo aha, process man << I'm just maintaining a list of Loper machine prospects with insufficient chance of death before your complete demo. [03:32]
mircea_popescu o data... de mai multe ori... caci ce pot fi aceste garduri, decit cazute foste scari, decit cazute, foste garduri. [03:32]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ? << It's had a couple... Why??? [03:32]
mircea_popescu tied naked to bridges. [03:33]
mircea_popescu jeff bridges. [03:33]
BingoBoingo Rooster Cogburn himself? [03:33]
ben_vulpes aha, process man << testing, actually. [03:33]
mircea_popescu lol gurning bridges. [03:34]
ben_vulpes automation thereof and design of subsystems for machines performing high voltage wafer binning. [03:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because I may not like that it was a thing, but... True Grit was apparentlyt remade [03:34]
ben_vulpes a wealth of knowledge that would have doomed me to a life in the suburbs under buzzing "lights". [03:34]
ben_vulpes i...escaped. [03:35]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes will probably find it an interesting detail, that when i shopped around for certain parts for my pcb assembly apparatus, quite a few vendors turned up who offer bits'n'pieces of what was once the u.s. semiconductor industry [03:35]
asciilifeform in particular, very depressingly fragmented wafer inspection paraphernalia [03:35]
asciilifeform arms, lifts, cameras, the like. [03:36]
mircea_popescu heh [03:36]
BingoBoingo I mean John Wayne, original draft dodger [03:36]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not terribly. castoffs from the pre-production days are always looking for a good home. [03:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part. [03:38]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you claim some sort of knowledge on how things i did once qualify me for things i do now. i'm curious to know what precisely you think qualifies me - on what sort of (shaky?) foundation those assumptions and guesses rest. [03:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mainly things you have spoken of at various time, re: navigating some unspecified but very gnarly system for angry client [03:40]
asciilifeform if i recall [03:40]
ben_vulpes and further - what precisely you think my part is. [03:40]
ben_vulpes because i honestly don't think that you see it. [03:40]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part. << I enjoy that unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered. [03:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it [03:40]
BingoBoingo unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered. [03:41]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it << This [03:41]
mircea_popescu eh dun stress out. [03:42]
BingoBoingo One crack rock and a text file can test against an actual spec. [03:42]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: why focus on me, though? [03:42]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: because you're awake, lol [03:42]
ben_vulpes and i respond. [03:42]
asciilifeform aha [03:42]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [03:42]
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ben_vulpes have i ever been aught but the court clown? [03:42]
mircea_popescu errything's getting done eventually. pretty much the only certainty of teh open model. [03:42]
asciilifeform some things even get done more than once! [03:43]
asciilifeform (deedbot ?) [03:43]
mircea_popescu that looks like it's getting done three times. [03:43]
asciilifeform quite possibly four. [03:43]
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BingoBoingo Sometimes the simplest is the hardest. [03:44]
BingoBoingo Of all kakobrekla busted scams Garr should have busted first. But when fishing for gar you can catch more with cotton balls than hooks. [03:45]
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cazalla mircea_popescu: I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO! <<< i noticed this.. while using tweezer to pluck the 10 or so grey hairs i began sporting this year, i thought well at least not as grey as mp [04:23]
cazalla undata: my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference <<< while asleep, i would chuck my pillow into the baby's crib, grab the beside lamp and bring it in the bed, wake up screaming to call an ambulance, shit like that, she doesn't really miss my sleeping in otherside of the house [04:25]
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mircea_popescu "The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won't support." [04:35]
mircea_popescu heh. [04:35]
BingoBoingo Seriously what is wrong with data makes it into a block or data does not??? [04:38]
mircea_popescu you don;t understand how the world works. [04:39]
mircea_popescu "The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts" [04:40]
BingoBoingo Gavin only wants BTC to die so he can sleep quietly at night while animals enjoy Gavin's cardiac sashimi [04:40]
mircea_popescu and something tells me the new "optimized tx fee" code fingerprints the hell out of wallets/users. [04:41]
mircea_popescu if anyone's really bored feel free to look into the code. [04:41]
BingoBoingo Fucking Electrum fingerprints the hell out of users. [04:41]
mircea_popescu 171ca77 estimatefee / estimatepriority RPC methods [04:41]
BingoBoingo If some mother fucker can't make a change address indistinguishable from a destination address... [04:43]
BingoBoingo They better address that problem nao. [04:43]
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BingoBoingo Hello tsoulus [05:04]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2.56695135 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4095.0226947 BTC. Current weight: 11,228. [05:13]
mircea_popescu << lol check it out, teh foundation's slowly trickling in donations. [05:20]
mircea_popescu mazel tov. [05:20]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ... ( ) [05:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo here's a simple fact : bitpay made what, 1% of less than 12mn in december ? that comes to... half what mpex made ? [05:22]
mircea_popescu and mpex didn't hjave to sponsor no ball game for it ? [05:22]
mircea_popescu add all the usg-side businesses together, see what you get. lotta hope, lotta hype, no receipts. [05:22]
mircea_popescu they can stand on their heads. money talks. [05:23]
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cazalla i still wanna know how much fraud bitpay, coinbase etc are processing, they won't give me a clear cut response [05:23]
mircea_popescu how would they know ? [05:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well MPEx isn't paying $145/CPM [05:24]
cazalla [05:24]
assbot dpaste: 1G4QAVE ... ( ) [05:24]
mircea_popescu didn't coinbase recently change its tos to run up credit reports on users ? [05:24]
cazalla example of one fraud merchant who used bitpay to bilk people for at least a year lol [05:24]
cazalla mircea_popescu, been there for a while apparently [05:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Old news. November, but they reserved the right earlier. [05:24]
mircea_popescu cazalla if you get enough of those together, that list + a "we don't wanna say" from bp/cb is good enough. [05:25]
mircea_popescu journalism is about collecting facts and giving the parties the *opportunity* to comment. they don't want to take it, silence belies guilt. [05:25]
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punkman cazalla, how does bitpay merchant do fraud if only BTC incoming? [05:26]
BingoBoingo Well, yeah the idictments so far are a lot of qntra's meat. [05:26]
* BingoBoingo wants to see people [05:26]
tsoulus Hello BingoBoingo :) [05:26]
BingoBoingo 's odds on surrendering on blocksize by May [05:26]
BingoBoingo tsoulus: What brings you here? [05:27]
tsoulus Oh I'm just lurking about, had some interest in bitcoins for a while [05:27]
cazalla punkman, in the alpha technologies example, they are alleged to have used bitpay to cash out btc pre order money for their non-existent scrypt asics, all they needed to do was pay the rent on a shop front to get it going [05:27]
assbot ... ( ) [05:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, they don't have the time. gavin has to force it through rapidly, before blocks actually start regularly overflowing 1mn, because that's his only chance to get pools surrepetitiously mining v3 blocks while gavincoins not being massively doublespent. [05:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There was a 50kb block Tonight!!! [05:28]
mircea_popescu he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march [05:28]
BingoBoingo No rush. [05:28]
BingoBoingo He has to take at least a year or the Chicoms will nevwer mine for his chain [05:28]
mircea_popescu ah, but it's not a matter of not being 50kb blocks. [05:28]
mircea_popescu there being any 7-800kb blocks is the problem [05:28]
mircea_popescu haha he doesn't have a year. [05:29]
BingoBoingo But he has to take a year, because I got Chicoms reading Stan! [05:29]
mircea_popescu and if he had a year, do you think he'd have spent xmas and new year's "filling his hdd with blocks" while i was on vacation ? [05:29]
BingoBoingo Yeah. [05:29]
BingoBoingo Why else was it Luke who visited and not him with results. [05:30]
BingoBoingo He filled his HDD with blocks in hopes that you'd stay gone [05:30]
mircea_popescu 338019 731.52 338018 731.55 338017 731.62 338016 731.5 << last 4 [05:30]
mircea_popescu it's not even clear he has till march. [05:30]
BingoBoingo I don't think he can propose until March, then Fork block before may. [05:31]
mircea_popescu 1k txn is ~ 400kb. that means with a 800kb block that merely creating a 1k 1btc txn bundle will guarantee 50% separation on gavincoin chain. [05:31]
BingoBoingo Because... we know the people doing tx ping pong and filling up blocks [05:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, fork block has to go in before end of march is what my numbers show. [05:32]
mircea_popescu otherwise he literally will not be able to protect the scamchain. [05:32]
mircea_popescu it is marginally possible everyone in his handler's office is retarded enough to not have seen this coming, of course. [05:32]
BingoBoingo Which... he can't do because torsion. [05:32]
mircea_popescu but i somehow don't like to think we're being opposed by people this thick. [05:33]
cazalla srs why not just nip it in the bud, check out my gardening series on the topic of nipping weeds in the bud [05:33]
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mircea_popescu cazalla if this ain't nipping in the bud what is ? [05:34]
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mircea_popescu i did leave them a splendid link to that great scene in miller's crossing, but i guess when you're an idiot it's easy to miss the more subtle messages. [05:34]
mircea_popescu this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks. [05:34]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If they could math gavin wouldn't have been derping recycled blocks in his hellchain [05:35]
mircea_popescu maybe not. [05:35]
BingoBoingo this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks. << People don't deal with donkeys, they make Abbos sell them mules. [05:35]
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mircea_popescu cazalla srsly, who the fuck fires that many bullets ? [05:37]
mircea_popescu what is this, for people who never discarged a weapon / [05:37]
cazalla well, we can't have them in australia, so you know.. [05:37]
mircea_popescu that thing, WITH AN ATENUATOR EVEN!!! is probably jammed to shit by now [05:37]
mircea_popescu five times over. [05:38]
cazalla my knowledge of discharging weapons extends to nothing more than rise of the triad and counterstrike [05:38]
mircea_popescu fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala. [05:38]
cazalla i was promised heat seaking missles and by god i will have them [05:38]
BingoBoingo fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala. << I saw opposite discipline over Xmas. Cousin's family keeping the weapons safe within window line of sight [05:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla ok, well, here's some ideas : his ears would be bleeding ; his arms'd have fallen off as he holds that thing wrongly ; the heat transferred to the barrel is probably enough to melt it ; he's fired more bullet weight than the child. [05:40]
cazalla what did you expect? it's TV and booze, what else does a bogan from the bush have in australia? [05:40]
mircea_popescu minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud. [05:40]
BingoBoingo Worst part? his wife wanted to keep her pecan balls safe so unlocked the safe in a room full of everybody. [05:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well maybe house was really small ? [05:41]
BingoBoingo minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud. << What reasonable magazine takes 1 minute+ to discharge at full auto? [05:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It was and furniture uncomfortably oversized. American maldesign at work [05:42]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this one : [05:42]
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BingoBoingo But seriously. Safe visible from exterior windows on 2 sides. Opsec fail. [05:43]
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BingoBoingo His wife unlocks safe in occupied room, keypad uses phone dialtones for number keys... [05:44]
mircea_popescu at least not keeping btc in there. [05:44]
mircea_popescu but anyway, that's all the excitement i can take for today. later fellow cultists! [05:44]
BingoBoingo Nah, just a bunch of ARs and some 1911's [05:45]
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mircea_popescu why ty [13:18]
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mircea_popescu o hey you got a hat ?! cool! [13:19]
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mircea_popescu lol so apparently moar ddos attempts overnight. [13:20]
mircea_popescu did it actually do anything ? [13:20]
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asciilifeform << lol, i somehow missed that he was once famous for bootleg fireworks [13:25]
assbot Bitcoin investor who renounced US citizenship now can’t get back in | Ars Technica ... ( ) [13:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's been discussed even in log a few times. [13:26]
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asciilifeform hm [13:26]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the guy claims he was shremed and it's all okay. [13:28]
mircea_popescu obviously, he was being his usual retarded self, only younger. [13:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why would anyone buy the st kitts passport described in the article? 400k usd would get you a fairly comfortable 2 yrs in Ar or the like (or however long it takes there to get passported) [13:29]
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mircea_popescu obviously, he was being his usual retarded self. [13:30]
mircea_popescu for the record, for the unassuming individual capable of normal socialisation (ie, score a gf if one wants a gf) about 1k usd a year is plenty in argentina. [13:31]
mircea_popescu would have been enough for the rest of his life. [13:31]
asciilifeform retarded, sure. just wondered if there was some actual plus to the st kitts thing. because i distinctly recall that 'passports of convenience' are mostly good as wall decorations and nothing more. [13:32]
mircea_popescu also, the passports in question don't ever cost that much. he's pulling a kakobrekla's car trick on the value of bitcoin that could have been. by the same measure, his donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the scam foundation. [13:32]
mircea_popescu except he did that at a time when they were worth cents to the dollar, and they're long gone. [13:32]
mircea_popescu i dunno that there's anything but comic relief in keeping track of ver's activities. [13:33]
asciilifeform 1k usd !?! [13:34]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so apparently being caught selling too many BTC here in the states carries a higher sentence than dealing drugs [13:34]
mircea_popescu you know, the original somethingawful/buttcoin threads about how bitcoiners are mentally retarded didn't come out of pure malice. they came out of the simple fact of the matter : the early people involved are struggling with severe mental disabilities. [13:34]
asciilifeform what does that buy, a sack of rice and a monk's cell somewhere in a boiler room ? [13:34]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller doing anything out of the ordinary carries a higher sentence than everything else in there, you've not noticed yet ? [13:35]
thestringpuller Perhaps the movie about asciilifeform and young buck thestringpuller teaming up to sell BTC as gangstas runnin the street will become a reality [13:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform people aren't as fixated on things anglos are fixated on here. [13:35]
mircea_popescu you can just live with her. [13:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lemme tell you a story that will illustrate this point. [13:36]
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mircea_popescu so when i first landed here i kept a hotel room for about a week. my across the hall neighbour was this ukrainian dude. we met in the elevator and well, at the time the ukr stuff was just blowing up and so i was curious, and he was as happy as anything to speak to someone... wise. [13:38]
mircea_popescu this guy was never sober. literally. you know what i mean, that drunk functionality of the hardcore ukrainian ? [13:38]
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thestringpuller ;;echo [13:39]
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TomServo Pretty minor gripe but, "under a regulation that requires he prove his intent to depart the U.S." - how does one prove that? [13:42]
TomServo "No - see, my calendar says I have a dentist appt back home in 2 weeks so I'll definitely be gone." [13:43]
mircea_popescu TomServo really, he's being about as dumb as nefario. [13:43]
mircea_popescu that's always been there, for foreigners, which people who renounce a citizenship become. [13:44]
mircea_popescu it is customarily shown by a) substantial assets and b) family ties. [13:44]
mircea_popescu the uncomfortable reality that he has neither is obviously something he's not willing to confront, and so it has to be about how bad teh us customs & immigration is. [13:45]
mircea_popescu now, it's all fine and dandy to all agree on how teh us is the empire of evil. however, the notion that they'd err on the side of not letting anyone in is plain ridoinculous. [13:47]
mircea_popescu i had no problem getting romania's like i dunno, 3rd ? 10 year visa fifteen years ago when i actually wanted one. notwithstanding that romania was you know, a sort of ukraine in 2025, and notwithstanding that bush was in charge. [13:48]
mircea_popescu what, obama strengthened the border ? gimme a break. [13:48]
TomServo Sure - with you there, it just seems incredibly hard to really 'prove' intent to leave. [13:48]
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mircea_popescu because "i own a hotel in mali, wtf do i want with your stinkhole" is not good enough ? [13:49]
thestringpuller whoa mircea_popescu is from the future [13:49]
thestringpuller i knew it [13:49]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller just some futures. [13:52]
mircea_popescu cazalla: may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << he has a point there, ben & mod6 [13:54]
TomServo irdial: that you? [13:54]
assbot Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( ) [13:55]
irdial Yes it is. [13:55]
mircea_popescu o hey. how goes irdial [13:55]
TomServo irdial: cool, welcome [13:55]
irdial Greets, it goes well... [13:56]
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mircea_popescu not only will IT grow, but the diy capabilities of the right people will grow, which is significantly more valuable. [14:02]
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TomServo Is there a preferred platform? [14:07]
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danielpbarron irdial, lol you block me for telling you about this place and now here you are! [14:09]
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mircea_popescu TomServo just as long as it works. i imagine nubbins` ec idea is pretty good. [14:11]
mike_c !up irdial [14:11]
mircea_popescu make a container or w/e they call it, just have people run it. [14:11]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron couldn't have been for that reason, i recall the guy following me on twitter, back before the antonoderp murder. [14:12]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: would like that idea [14:12]
thestringpuller him and his docker [14:12]
danielpbarron << this is the last thing i tweeted at him before he blocked me [14:13]
assbot Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@Beautyon_ Unless you're in the #WebOfTrust, you aren't a "real person." It doesn't matter what your "needs" are." ... ( ) [14:13]
mike_c given irdial's apparent hatred of kyc it seems like this is a good place to be. [14:13]
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undata :) thanks [14:13]
mike_c except he can't talk [14:13]
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TomServo sorry, missed that [14:14]
mike_c can't wait for gribble to come home. [14:14]
thestringpuller what if gribble never comes home [14:14]
undata is there an alternate auth route? [14:14]
thestringpuller altgribble but kako doesn't use that [14:14]
* undata read the gossipd logs; maybe that will have to save us [14:15]
mike_c somebody send artifexd more coffee [14:15]
artifexd Why? [14:15]
TomServo I don't think that'll happen soon enough. Maybe a modified ircd with a bolted on gribble in the meantime? [14:16]
undata I actually just gave the stuff up (again) [14:16]
mike_c aren't you writing gossipd? we need it yesterday :) [14:16]
undata I find I have more alertness throughout the day without [14:16]
mircea_popescu can't wait for gribble to come home. << i dun think gribble is coming back. if it were, i wouldn't trust it. [14:17]
mircea_popescu replacement is being spun up as we speak. [14:17]
undata mircea_popescu: ah, did an operator disappear along with gribble? [14:17]
TomServo no shit? [14:17]
mircea_popescu no shit. [14:17]
mircea_popescu yes, nano's not been heard from, the only reasonable assumption is something asciilifeform'd say. [14:18]
mircea_popescu well... perhaps reasonable's not the right word. safe. [14:18]
mircea_popescu the only unreasonably safe assumption. [14:18]
mike_c well, you took a few weeks off and we still trust you [14:18]
mircea_popescu i announced it. [14:18]
mike_c true [14:18]
mircea_popescu and infrastructure didn't fail meanwhile, with no word. [14:19]
thestringpuller damn nanotube has let us down :( [14:19]
TomServo folks in otc are claiming it's a planned absence, I haven't seen anything specific though. [14:19]
mircea_popescu me either. [14:19]
thestringpuller yea no blog post or anything [14:19]
mike_c so.. this is when assbot officially takes over the world then. [14:19]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure that in realpolitik terms this was the more important use of gribble. [14:19]
mircea_popescu what with all the stuff being build atop it and so on. [14:20]
undata clearly the guy had to be stopped... he was running an irc channel! [14:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what about RagnarDanneskjol 's allegation ? [14:22]
mircea_popescu what was that ? [14:22]
asciilifeform (that nanotube went off on vacation, and spoke to him thus) [14:22]
* asciilifeform hasn't the faintest notion of this being true or false [14:23]
mircea_popescu i don't know that guy is anybody, outside of social engineering everyone. he doesn't have a rating from nano, the notion they know each other is improbable on the face, and if in fact this were a job you'd fully expect a bunch of unknowns talking authoritatively in such manner. [14:24]
mircea_popescu so i am making of it exactly nothing. [14:24]
asciilifeform aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets. [14:25]
* mircea_popescu shrugs. either way, that pie's cooked. [14:25]
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TomServo It'll be interesting if gribble returns after a replacement is spun up. [14:26]
TomServo Pre-forkwar fork war? [14:26]
mircea_popescu interesting, how ? [14:26]
TomServo How that plays out. [14:26]
mircea_popescu gribble is only relevant in this channel by specific inclusion from assbot. once it lost that, it lost it. [14:27]
mircea_popescu an it just lost it. [14:27]
kakobrekla [14:28]
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mircea_popescu maybe if it convincingly performs for a while the two wots can be bridged later on (how such a thing could be done in principle has been discussed a few times) and that'll be a great step towards de facto decentralization with central servers and that's that. [14:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla aha kay. [14:29]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: just need to trust the maintainers of the gatekeepers into the WoT [14:31]
mircea_popescu if there's multiples lying becomes that more difficult and less valuable anyway. [14:33]
mircea_popescu but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around. [14:35]
mircea_popescu if anyone asks me, i'd rather see as few of these vacations as possible. [14:36]
kakobrekla if the bot werent down nobody would have noticed [14:37]
asciilifeform assuming 'vacation' - at least he pulled the pin, rather than allowed the motherland to pass into enemy hands [14:37]
mircea_popescu yeah, if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed. [14:38]
mircea_popescu unsung heroes, that's exactly it. "if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed". [14:38]
mircea_popescu should be a verse somewhere. [14:38]
kakobrekla lol fuck what have i done. [14:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: verse somewhere -- actually, it is: '...отряд не заметил потери бойца.' [14:39]
mircea_popescu quite [14:39]
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ben_vulpes [] may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << grand idea [14:54]
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mod6 i was just looking back at that myself ben_vulpes [14:56]
mod6 I have written a guide on how to patch the reference implementation. is that one too complex? [14:57]
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* asciilifeform still finds the image peculiar, of nanotube having advanced warning of his 'vacation' [14:58]
asciilifeform unless it actually started as a vacation [14:58]
mod6 I've walked through that guide with a guy locally here, and there are a few minor changes that I need to make to it this month. I'll get to it when I can, but mostly, it's exactly what you need. Aside from installing the dependancies. [14:59]
mod6 you basically need to do these for that: [15:00]
mod6 (on debian 6): [15:00]
mod6 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade [15:00]
mod6 sudo apt-get install -y build-essential libssl-dev libdb4.8-dev libdb4.8++-dev libboost-all-dev wget git [15:00]
mod6 i left that out of the guide as I don't wish to presume which environment it should be built on. [15:00]
mod6 but currently, that's what we're testing on. i have an medium ec2 instance im testing on, and a few other smaller vm's. [15:01]
mod6 If anyone wants to write a more user-friendly how-to as opposed to what I have already written, by all means! [15:03]
asciilifeform !s tc-play [15:25]
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asciilifeform [15:25]
assbot bwalex/tc-play · GitHub ... ( ) [15:25]
asciilifeform ^ no comment on quality or even whether it works at all [15:25]
* asciilifeform noticed recently that there are suspiciously many claimed 'plug in replacements' for truecrypt bouncing around [15:26]
asciilifeform (they appear to consist largely of the same two or three things, with slight variations) [15:27]
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thestringpuller hi hanbot [15:41]
artifexd !up hanbot [15:43]
artifexd Nope. Can't do it. [15:44]
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thestringpuller lol mod6's connection has outlasted everyone [15:48]
thestringpuller its like those slumber parties [15:48]
thestringpuller where you try to stay up all night [15:48]
thestringpuller as a kid [15:48]
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mod6 :] [15:49]
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asciilifeform ^ deliberate experiment ? [16:00]
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asciilifeform or fleanode flea bite. [16:00]
ben_vulpes o hey a magic string [16:04]
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mod6 cazalla: The Bitcoin Foundation will commit to publishing a "follow along at home install guide" with the first the signed first release. [16:06]
mod6 Thanks for calling that to our attention. [16:07]
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thestringpuller turn up! [16:42]
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assbot We are fully rebuilding our systems from the ground up so that customers can use /Bitstamp with full confidence and trust. [16:44]
kakobrekla [16:45]
assbot Working alongside the team from San Francisco, progress towards redeployment is strong. Huge thank you to for your confidence and patience. [16:45]
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TomServo @nejc_kodric glglglgl getting @Bitstamp back online. [16:49]
TomServo I have said publicly that no, this wasn't @MtGox 2.0 and you aren't @MagicalTux 2.0 [16:49]
TomServo -Bryan (don't make me Ver 2.0) Micon [16:49]
TomServo :D [16:49]
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mike_c hehe. Jan. 6 "24-48 hrs". Jan. 8 "Progress is strong!" [17:05]
mike_c Jan. 10 "Fuck, I don't know, stop asking" [17:05]
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Mashuri Hi Tom [17:07]
TomServo Ahoy [17:07]
mod6 [17:07]
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thestringpuller mike_c: Jan. 23rd we're getting there. [17:09]
Mashuri Thanks for the !up but I'm just lurking. I have a WoT account if needed for later. :) [17:09]
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ben_vulpes << rot in the local socialist paradise begins to creep to the surface [17:29]
assbot Deep Questions Arise Over Portland's Corporate Water Takeover ... ( ) [17:29]
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TomServo ben_vulpes: was it portland where they were fining people for catching rainwater? [17:41]
thestringpuller TomServo: [17:48]
thestringpuller enjoi [17:48]
TomServo thestringpuller: thanks [17:50]
mike_c wtf. bitbet has gone insanse [17:54]
mike_c *insane! [17:54]
mike_c is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice? [17:54]
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mike_c betting early on bitbets makes sense and betting late makes sense. you are cutting out 50% of the time it makes good sense to bet. [17:55]
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asciilifeform << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection. [17:56]
assbot postdocs - Whether to tell his prospective employer that a new male post doc opposes affirmative action for women in academia? - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( ) [17:56]
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ben_vulpes not in portland, TomServo. here, they tax you for runoff. [18:07]
jborkl Hello everyone [18:08]
fluffypony A O RIVER [18:08]
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fluffypony sorry, instinctive reaction. [18:08]
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BingoBoingo aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets. << I believe it is the "Southern District of Manhattan" nao [18:21]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [18:25]
assbot Logged on 08-01-2015 17:32:25; mircea_popescu: but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around. [18:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not that richilieu couldn't cough up the proverbial 'six lines by the hand of the honest man' [18:26]
BingoBoingo Naturally [18:26]
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BingoBoingo !up irdial [18:27]
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jurov had to double check it isn't the onion [18:28]
assbot Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( ) [18:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if -otc weren't as dead as it appears to have been for the past year or two, i imagine it could be possible for the buggers to set up a 'controlled buy' of some contraband or other, embroiling -otc, and spinning up nanotube as 'a dpr' [18:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but it seems like a stretch. bullet is cheaper. [18:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: stern words, 'horse's head on pillow' - cheaper still. [18:28]
BingoBoingo Lemme pull up and order from the order feed real quick... [18:28]
BingoBoingo #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density. << [18:29]
BingoBoingo One of the last orders to hit the #bitcoin-otc ticker [18:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: DU is not illegal to own in usa, afaik [18:29]
asciilifeform (ianal) [18:29]
asciilifeform seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements [18:31]
asciilifeform according to pediwik [18:31]
jurov poor dude he just wanted the uranium to make some nanowire clothing to keep him warm [18:32]
asciilifeform the 'highly radioactive' whatever-the-fuck, another story [18:32]
BingoBoingo Well... in USSA who but Preet can know what crime is. What I can see though is that was order #21874 and #21876 was the very last entered [18:32]
asciilifeform that's easily worth as many 'jail points' from penal code as the bootleg fireworks of r. ver [18:32]
asciilifeform though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go in for having operated 'ebay' (ver's case) [18:33]
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thestringpuller anyone ever read the story about the guy who fell asleep next to a reactor cause he was cold [18:35]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: it wasn't a reactor. it was a russian rtg. [18:35]
ben_vulpes i read a permutation that had him in front of a microwave dish. [18:35]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: there are multiple reasonably well-documented corpses of thieves, poachers, metal hunters, killing themselves on rtg [18:36]
asciilifeform !s soviet rtg [18:36]
assbot 2 results for 'soviet rtg' : [18:36]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: thanks. I remember someone reading a news article on that in school years ago. [18:37]
thestringpuller back in my younger more vulnerable years [18:37]
ben_vulpes << "sc1ence" now in full bore crapflation support mode. [18:37]
asciilifeform back to the 'radioactive mushroom' - anyone could, in principle, leave a 'wanted ad' to the effect of wishing to purchase $bannedobject anywhere he wants [18:37]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what fraction of heat loss is from breathing ? [18:38]
asciilifeform or will we 'insulate' that as well. [18:38]
* ben_vulpes pines for a proper stillsuit [18:39]
asciilifeform 'tell me again about the waters of your home world...' [18:39]
thestringpuller asciilifeform you really should attempt a short stand up routine [18:40]
thestringpuller you make me laugh as much as some of my favorite comedians [18:40]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: direct quote from one of the 'dune' film adaptations [18:40]
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thestringpuller the "what fraction of heat loss is from breathing or will we 'insulate' that as well." made water come out of my nose [18:41]
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thestringpuller something lewis black would say if he were an engineer [18:41]
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TomServo I'll have to agree, most my #b-a chuckles and belly laughs are from asciilifeform [18:41]
asciilifeform observe, plenty of uranium ore on, e.g., 'ebay.' but no refined metal (depleted or, srsly what do you expect - the other kind) [18:42]
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asciilifeform '#21876 GlooBoy BUY 100.0 @ 100 / {bitstampask} * .84 BTC Buying up to 100$<-(todays limit) Physical Amazon Gift Cards (NO eGIFT CARDS) - Offer only available to those with considerable OTC/WoT trust. -/msg GlooBoy for a exact quote and privacy - visit' [18:47]
assbot Buy bitcoins online in from GlooBoy: Amazon Gift Card [18:47]
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asciilifeform ^ perhaps this, and not the imaginary radioactive mushrooms. [18:48]
asciilifeform or the couple of 'bank transfer' ones from slightly earlier. [18:48]
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asciilifeform plenty enough for a preet. [18:49]
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mircea_popescu linux permissions are about as fucking nonsensical as it gets. [19:17]
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mircea_popescu so if you > or >> a filename that doesn't exist and you want to run it, you have to set a permission bit separately. [19:18]
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chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [19:18]
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mircea_popescu linux permissions are about as fucking nonsensical as it gets. [19:18]
mircea_popescu so if you > or >> a filename that doesn't exist and you want to run it, you have to set a permission bit separately. [19:18]
mircea_popescu however, if you > or >> a filename that exists already, you can run it just fine. [19:18]
mircea_popescu because that's logical. [19:18]
undata also executing a folder is what you're doing when you enter it... [19:21]
undata what do you think would be better, a sort of stream header that indicates the nature of the bits to come? [19:22]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [19:22]
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mircea_popescu undata i think it'd be better that the execute bit gets trashed every time the file is modified. [19:22]
mircea_popescu or else, simply don't have it. [19:23]
mircea_popescu if your philosophy is that the file modification is what you defend against. [19:23]
undata yep, the former has sane security consequences [19:24]
undata the latter is more aligned with what actually happens, the file doesn't execute itself, something invokes it [19:24]
mircea_popescu well if the idea is that "he who has the authority to modify a file always has the authority to also execute it" then "executable" bit makes 0 sense. [19:24]
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mircea_popescu contrarywise, if your idea is that one needs the priviledge to make files executable, then this situation where a file is modified and stays executable makes 0 sense. [19:25]
undata mhm [19:25]
mircea_popescu but really, the problem is folders=files and execution = opening [19:26]
mircea_popescu clearly "executing" an archive is not the same as decompressing it. [19:26]
irdial Presumably a "default file permission on creation" of any new file would fix it, then you would be forced to set the executable bit every time. [19:27]
undata along those lines having files owned by a single group is brain dead [19:27]
undata the whole ACL system is just a bunch of ad hoc ideas [19:27]
* undata thinks RDBMS got ACL much more right [19:28]
mircea_popescu it is a bunch of ad hoc gunk yes. [19:28]
mircea_popescu to think 1991 - 2011 were spent in a "oh linux is better than windows" nonsense, instead of being spent to, you know, make a sane environment. [19:29]
mircea_popescu no wonder ubuntu and systemd are what's left on that smoldering pyre. [19:29]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is all moot since anything can read any file as data and trhen execute it as code anyway [19:31]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what would be a good resolution source for this bet: [19:31]
thestringpuller This bet resolves no if Gavin's proposed hard fork is launched, and in succession achieves 51% consensus of the network. This bet resolves yes, if the current Bitcoin fork keeps 51% consensus of the network, or if Gavin's proposed hard fork is never launched. [19:31]
thestringpuller Will likely require someone to monitor both forks (running both versions) if the event occurs as a resolution source. (Resolution source still required). [19:31]
mircea_popescu i dunno how it'd neatly be worded tbh [19:32]
mircea_popescu i mean, in such a way as partisanship can't hijack the meaning post facto [19:32]
mike_c thestringpuller: you've seen ? [19:33]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 98`183 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [19:33]
thestringpuller nah i have not [19:33]
thestringpuller thanks for bringing that to my attention [19:33]
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mircea_popescu i'd argue that bet doesn't actually do what the title says. [19:34]
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mircea_popescu "Gavincoin orphan chain to reach 50 blocks before being abandoned" is kinda not the same as "Blockchain will increase" [19:34]
mike_c well, we all know by now that the title is not controlling :) [19:35]
mircea_popescu yeh, there's that. [19:35]
mircea_popescu stil, as it is prolly a better phrasing anyway, give both sides some sort of chance. [19:36]
mike_c there should be a 'bet author' credit. make people famous, and then i'd know who to yell at about some of these terms. [19:36]
mircea_popescu mike_c there is. [19:36]
mircea_popescu bitcent prize for when you figure it out :D [19:36]
mike_c right, the initial wager [19:36]
mircea_popescu right hehe [19:36]
mircea_popescu and since kako's reforms, that's quite universal, nobody can say "if only i had thought of zeroconfing it" [19:37]
mircea_popescu i guess in the end bitbet will spawn a bit phrasing discussion forum [19:38]
mircea_popescu full of puns and wordplay and intricate hebrew arguments. [19:38]
BingoBoingo BitBet is the new courts circus [19:39]
mike_c ok then, whoever this is come see me for a detailed explanation of how you are killing bitbet. [19:39]
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ben_vulpes salud, punkman [19:41]
ben_vulpes i'd up ye, but... [19:41]
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mircea_popescu mike_c go on ? [19:41]
punkman weird power outage, ups crapped out :( [19:42]
mike_c the time weighting system puts a dead zone in the middle of the lifetime of a bet [19:42]
mike_c It is often not profitable to bet given your estimation of the odds and the current weight. [19:42]
mike_c the beginning of the bet (high weight) and the end of a bet (high confidence) are the best two times to bet [19:42]
mircea_popescu in the sense that if you figure the odds two weeks late and the market already is stable you're... late ? [19:43]
mike_c no, more like this: [19:43]
mike_c "market", i.e. what the money says is that the odds of yes are 60% [19:43]
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mike_c you believe the odds are actually 65% [19:44]
mike_c but you still can't bet profitably, because time weighting has progressed and only made it profitable if you think the odds are something like 82% [19:44]
mike_c well *that* doesn't happen until late in the bet [19:44]
mircea_popescu let's model this for the sake of argument ? [19:45]
mike_c ok [19:45]
mike_c i will [19:45]
mircea_popescu so, 10 day bet, on day 1 it's made, and 4 BTC on yes (40 weight) 60 BTC on no (60 weight) [19:45]
mike_c i assume you meant 40 btc/60 btc [19:46]
mircea_popescu on day 4 you come and split a btc : .35 on yes (2.1 weight), .65 on no (3.9 weight)./ [19:46]
mike_c but ok, i'll work with that. [19:46]
mircea_popescu assuming no further bets [19:46]
mircea_popescu you own 2.1 / 42.1 of 11 btc = 0.548693587 BTC if yes [19:47]
mircea_popescu and 3.9 / 63.9 of 11 btc = 0.671361502 if no. [19:47]
mike_c yes, well, first off that was silly [19:47]
mike_c clearly both sides can't be profitable wagers [19:47]
mircea_popescu 1.223563603 / 2 = 0.611781801 [19:47]
mircea_popescu so you are about at your .65 [19:47]
mircea_popescu minus a good chunk, granted. but still + [19:48]
mircea_popescu (if you throw 1 btc blindly on a 65% odds event you should overall make .65 back) [19:48]
mike_c ok.. so you meant 4 btc and 6 btc in the beginning. [19:49]
mircea_popescu yes. [19:49]
mike_c this example makes no sense. why did i put .35 on yes and .65 on no. [19:50]
mircea_popescu and i'd argue it's fair you realise SOME of the 60-65 difference but not all, inasmuch as well... you're both on the right side of 50%, just you're 50% closer. [19:50]
mircea_popescu mike_c statistics baby. [19:51]
mike_c yeah, i'm about to school ya :) [19:51]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:51]
mircea_popescu it doesn't matter what you bet. i put both wagers down explicitly to get all terms on the table and leave no stone unturned. [19:51]
mircea_popescu (ie, people betting one single side THINK they are. but they aren't. they should reserve the other anyway, if playing sanely) [19:52]
mircea_popescu ie, put some btc aside in their pocket [19:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10000 @ 0.00089994 = 8.9994 BTC [+] {5} [19:53]
mike_c ok, day 4 i bet 1 btc on no (6 weight) [19:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5730 @ 0.0006282 = 3.5996 BTC [+] [19:53]
mike_c and if no wins, i get 6/66 * 11btc = 1btc? wtf. [19:55]
mike_c that's not right. [19:55]
mircea_popescu it's not, because you're looking at a dynamic situation as if it were a photograph. [19:56]
mircea_popescu yes, if the 1 doesn't get covered you make a loss. [19:56]
mike_c well, i break even [19:56]
mircea_popescu but that's not because of the system. that's because of market inefficiency (your bet didn't get covered) [19:56]
mircea_popescu your presumption HOWEVER [19:56]
mircea_popescu was that market is at 60^ [19:56]
mircea_popescu in which case your 1 will have to be covered to maintain the 60%. do that. [19:56]
mike_c and obviously market inefficiency is the only way to make money at parimutuel wagering.. [19:56]
mircea_popescu well OBVIOUSLY then it's also the only way to lose money. eh ? [19:57]
mike_c and OBVIOUSLY nobody is going to maintain the 60% because the time weighting! [19:57]
mircea_popescu ... [19:57]
mike_c why would I bet on a 40% likely event and 20% odds? [19:57]
mircea_popescu except, of course, as i shown above, if they bet rationally they do have a rational incentive to move the odds if they believe the odds. [19:57]
mike_c *at [19:57]
mike_c ok, i shall paint a complete and pretty picture on btcalpha. [19:58]
mircea_popescu by all means. [19:58]
mike_c right after dinner :) to be continued later. [19:59]
punkman charged with "Risk of Injury to Child" [20:01]
assbot One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( ) [20:01]
mircea_popescu << this new year's was nothing like last years' [20:03]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( ) [20:03]
thestringpuller I miss Bugpowder :( [20:06]
thestringpuller and smickles [20:06]
mircea_popescu TomServo herbi stopped by ? you two are liek friends ? [20:10]
mircea_popescu cazalla: i am very upset over this fork talk << eh, nothing to get excited over, a little bit of war. [20:12]
mircea_popescu << whooa over 5k huh [20:12]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 11`042 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [20:12]
mircea_popescu yeah that's gonna be a cool 54 btc for bitbet once it resolves. [20:13]
mircea_popescu prolly moar than bitpay makes that month hehe [20:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 18:56:xx you got uncloaked, assuming it matters [20:14]
mircea_popescu apparently doesn't. [20:14]
mircea_popescu cazalla: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time << you know he has a legitimate question there. [20:16]
asciilifeform (the 'cloak' thing isn't worth a broken penny, but we already knew that) [20:16]
mircea_popescu it has its uses. [20:16]
mircea_popescu "I'd also like to see a source to this claim. I'll start a bounty of 3,000 bits." gotta love reddit. [20:17]
asciilifeform to collect the 'bounty of 3,000 bits' why not go to the train station and pick up loose change...? [20:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was <<< all old folks i knew, of that exact generation, spent about 20 hours a week, each week, with a beer and tobacco, talking exactly the same things. [20:19]
mircea_popescu i very much doubt the solution to "welfare state has made life impossible for actual people" is "feel moar ashamed and guilty" [20:19]
mircea_popescu the correct solution is to whip out the cock, jack off, send the film to every girl in junior high, then when the troopers show up whip the cock out, jack off on their face and beat them until they lick it off and thank you for it. [20:20]
asciilifeform with or without hexagen vest ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot' << i can see it tbh. [20:20]
mircea_popescu which reminds me of ancient joke. "tarzan prin jungla, gaseste o bita. "buna bita!" "buna tarzan!"" [20:21]
mircea_popescu ie, tarzan in the jungle, finds a glub. "now that's a good club". "hello tarzan". because buna is ambiguously hello and "this is a good item" [20:22]
mircea_popescu [20:23]
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mircea_popescu quick "fundaments of law" practice work. were you the judge, would you have allowed the evidence presented ? if yes, why ? if not, why not ? [20:24]
asciilifeform the judge, or the freisler ? [20:25]
mircea_popescu the judge. [20:25]
* asciilifeform sometimes catches himself forgetting that preet is not (yet) a judge [20:25]
mircea_popescu we're learning law here, not americana. [20:26]
asciilifeform ianal but per american law as taught, the thing is a circu [20:26]
asciilifeform s [20:26]
asciilifeform at least a three ring circus, no less [20:26]
mircea_popescu law, as an intellectual tradition / cultural phenomenon is quite sensible. [20:26]
mircea_popescu you can't say "clothes are dumb" just because americans are poor and the chinese are mocking them. [20:27]
asciilifeform 'thing' being the case [20:27]
asciilifeform not law as concept [20:27]
mircea_popescu ah sure. [20:27]
mircea_popescu but i avoided that deliberately. [20:27]
mircea_popescu evidentiary hearings are quite separate from any case. [20:27]
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punkman "Ulbricht does not currently face charges of attempted murder." so evidence unrelated to current case? [20:30]
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mircea_popescu well that's iffy. [20:30]
mircea_popescu you'll have to show rationale. [20:30]
asciilifeform punkman: according to the document, judge proclaimed it relevant to his having been characterized as a flight risk [20:30]
asciilifeform during earlier bail hearing [20:30]
asciilifeform and thus not excludable [20:30]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones are you writing me repos/options/something on gavinbucks ? [20:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but i was more curios in general discussion, rather than merely judging the judge. [20:31]
los_pantalones ha, no, i haven't been in here for too long [20:31]
los_pantalones going through withdrawal [20:31]
mircea_popescu lol [20:31]
mircea_popescu on the merits the judge is entirely correct, he couldn't have excluded that. [20:31]
asciilifeform the judge, afaik, is a kind of mechanical component here and is operating within specced envelope [20:32]
mircea_popescu but the discussion of whether the envelope is real or metaphysical is important. [20:32]
mircea_popescu yes, by and large the scientist in the lab is a puppet. [20:32]
asciilifeform as in, whether only the specced kind of judge stands a chance of becoming an american judge - or, at least, of deciding so much as the least bit of such a case - or - alternatively, whether explicit control over the judges is somehow exercised ? [20:33]
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mircea_popescu los_pantalones vs for a quick update. [20:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform as to whether you in his place would find yourself in the same envelope or not. [20:35]
los_pantalones whoa, gribble dead? [20:35]
los_pantalones i did miss a lot [20:36]
mircea_popescu yea [20:36]
mircea_popescu "RANDOM.ORG radios use in order to affect the generator. However, radio frequency attacks of this type would be difficult for a variety of reasons. First, the frequencies that the radios use are not published, so an attacker would have to broadcast across all frequencies of all bands used for FM and AM broadcasting. " [20:37]
mircea_popescu this just made my brain melt. [20:37]
mircea_popescu SERIOUSLY !? [20:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we read this one together ! [20:37]
asciilifeform during one of early rng discussions, i think [20:37]
mircea_popescu and if i go to fuck a girl, i can't like... in any manner observe where the blasted slit is [20:37]
mircea_popescu so i have to shoot sperm in a ball all around ? [20:37]
mircea_popescu what is this, for crabs ? [20:38]
asciilifeform for children, doing homework exercises [20:38]
asciilifeform who else uses it ? [20:38]
mircea_popescu "Second, this is not an attack that can be launched from anywhere in the world, only reasonably close to the generator. " [20:38]
mircea_popescu lmao. [20:38]
thestringpuller so S.NSA will sell RNG dongle one day? [20:38]
mircea_popescu ahahha this is like some prime comedy [20:38]
mircea_popescu so you gotta be close and you can't hear. gwan [20:39]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: there's a toggle which forces continuous rng grind, yes [20:39]
thestringpuller cardano is giving me a raging clue [20:39]
mircea_popescu "Q1.6: Does RANDOM.ORG perform custom jobs that require randomness? Yes. Perhaps you need more numbers than it's possible to get via the web forms, or perhaps you need them in a format that isn't supported. In those cases, we can set up a custom job for you to supply the numbers." [20:39]
mircea_popescu i would like the number 6 in a cup, please. [20:39]
mircea_popescu number formats !? [20:40]
thestringpuller !s [20:40]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: if all you need is an rng, you can very easily build a satisfactory one yourself in an evening. from, e.g., 1970s textbooks. [20:40]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: i'm not as competent as you in the fields of not electrocuting myself [20:40]
asciilifeform nobody (i hope) uses some bozo's www 'rng' site for weaponized anything [20:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'll have to appreciate the value of convenience SOME DAY [20:41]
asciilifeform matter of fact, i appreciate that, for instance, i do not (yet) have to build own refrigerator. [20:42]
mircea_popescu i actually did that. [20:42]
asciilifeform convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. [20:43]
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mircea_popescu Ulbricht won only a few minor points. The government won't be able to point to certain books sold on Silk Road, such as Silent but Deadly and Homemade C-4: A Recipe for Survival. Those exhibits "unnecessarily inject elements of violence and explosive devices that are not otherwise part of this case." [20:44]
mircea_popescu why the fuck did he want THAT excluded [20:44]
mircea_popescu they only took them out because they didn't want the jury to hear the titles,. lest they look it up [20:45]
asciilifeform mega-lol! [20:45]
asciilifeform both, iirc, are classics on w4r3z, for some years [20:45]
mircea_popescu sure. [20:45]
asciilifeform old b&w scans, passed around since fuck knows when. [20:46]
mircea_popescu i wonder if he fires his lawyer now. [20:46]
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BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski [20:46]
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pete_dushenski cheers!~ [20:46]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller lol what bill would that be? [20:47]
mircea_popescu "[A]s a side note, at what point in time do we decide that we’ve had enough of someone[’]s shit, and terminate them? Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mis-trust, does that come close in your opinion." [20:47]
mircea_popescu there was something very very odd about the pgp used on this site that allowed employees to impersonate users. [20:48]
pete_dushenski peterl nice work on the blog aggregator! any guesses as to why my apostraphes are so mangled? [20:48]
mircea_popescu maybe the government was impersonating dpr all along ? [20:48]
asciilifeform << considering that this was how pgp was used... [20:49]
assbot [GUIDE] PGP 4 N00BZ : SilkRoad ... ( ) [20:49]
mircea_popescu i dunno why all these ppl get so excited about pgp. clearly it doesn't do anything [20:49]
mircea_popescu brb moving to tor. [20:50]
pete_dushenski heh [20:50]
pete_dushenski "The cost of insuring Russia’s bonds against non-repayment for five years jumped 61 basis points this year to 538, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That makes the nation’s debt the fifth-riskiest globally, above speculative-grade countries including Lebanon, Egypt and Portugal." [20:52]
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pete_dushenski whoa, nano! [20:52]
asciilifeform either the man himself, or funkspiel. [20:53]
mircea_popescu well that's the beauty of the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue. [20:53]
mircea_popescu you can never really swear who's the real billy mumphrey. [20:53]
BingoBoingo A waterfall bursts [20:53]
assbot Short sellers make VW the world's priciest firm [20:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there's something about vw that attracts this sort of thing. i recall a similar carnage in the 80, and then somerthing with audi [20:54]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo except aapl! [20:55]
pete_dushenski and around 2007-08 porsche almost bought vw, then got flipped on its ass and the reverse happened [20:56]
mircea_popescu o yeah the porsche merger [20:56]
mircea_popescu such a lulzfest [20:56]
pete_dushenski yup. pretty much sealed porsche as a maker of, well, w4r3s [20:57]
pete_dushenski they used to be cool [20:57]
pete_dushenski now they make shiny things a la apple and lv [20:57]
asciilifeform lv ? [20:58]
pete_dushenski louis vuitton [20:58]
* asciilifeform associates that company exclusively with spam [20:58]
mircea_popescu lvhm! [20:58]
pete_dushenski m before h ;) [20:58]
mircea_popescu the only thing making money in france, sort of like paris' appple [20:58]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i like henessy better! [20:59]
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pete_dushenski lol i'm more of a courvoisier guy [20:59]
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mircea_popescu i didn't mean it's any good. merely that moet is meh-er-er! [21:00]
pete_dushenski i know i know, it's Ţuică or bust [21:01]
pete_dushenski tsuika [21:01]
mircea_popescu assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf). << qntra shoulda scooped you! [21:01]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski actually reserva san juan is pretty decent. just had some. [21:02]
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mircea_popescu "At the heart of the controversy is a breakdown in public trust that reflects the dangers of corporate-led water privatization schemes in the United States and around the world." [21:03]
mircea_popescu holy shit! for 30 fucking years all the world could hear from us' imf "experts" was privatize, privatize, privatize [21:03]
mircea_popescu now there's dangers involved ? shit, i guess we gotta go apologize to all the locals that said so back then ? [21:04]
mircea_popescu o wait, they don;t have facebook profiles. nm. [21:04]
pete_dushenski send them instagram selfies of imf experts making sad faces [21:05]
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mircea_popescu Most troubling are charges of decades of revolving-door cronyism surrounding Joe Glicker, a vice president of CH2M Hill, the company awarded the contracts to build the new covered reservoirs for Portland. Not only was Glicker a former chief engineer of the Portland Water Bureau (PWB), he also worked as a core consultant with the EPA to write the very LT2 rules that now require these massive "emergency" water infrastruc [21:05]
mircea_popescu ture projects. [21:05]
mircea_popescu ajaha sweet. [21:05]
mircea_popescu "Glicker's hand in crafting the LT2 ruling helped create an unfunded mandate that opened new markets for his company, while blindsiding cash-strapped municipalities across the country." [21:06]
mircea_popescu dude... god save Botswana over there. [21:06]
pete_dushenski blindsiding? you'd think botswana would just expect to be shit on by now [21:06]
pete_dushenski it's sorta the norm, neh? [21:07]
BingoBoingo dude... god save Botswana over there. << Stahp impeaching Botswana's reputation by implying the United States resembles it. [21:07]
mircea_popescu but botswana's reputation sucks. [21:07]
BingoBoingo But compared to the US it should suck less! [21:08]
BingoBoingo People's epistemic frameworks for determining suck are broken. [21:08]
pete_dushenski speaking of cognac, i wonder what albert camus woulda thought of a $2100 bottle of the stuff bearing his name [21:08]
mircea_popescu prolly nothing much [21:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. [21:09]
pete_dushenski eh prolly [21:09]
mircea_popescu mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice? << people like putting it in. what can i say ? [21:09]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. << At least Botswana's economy accepts that it exists simply as a tool for extracting raw resources. [21:11]
mircea_popescu nope. [21:12]
mircea_popescu they pretend, just like everyone else, to the utmost of their ability. [21:12]
mircea_popescu that it's obvious to you but not to them has more to do with the fact that they're used to their own shit than anything. [21:12]
mircea_popescu << but it gets pretty thoroughly shot down ? [21:13]
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mircea_popescu << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ? [21:16]
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BingoBoingo Well it's like the KeystoneXL pipeline debate for which both sides neglect to discuss the destination of oil flowing through it (the export market) [21:16]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ? << Because they can't imagine people having occasion to fuck in the winter? [21:18]
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mircea_popescu it's a commie thing. [21:18]
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mircea_popescu i dunno exactly what inflamed part of the cerebrum it comes from, but it's a commie thing. [21:19]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo re keystone xl: eh could just as well be domestic consumption [21:20]
BingoBoingo I thought the entire point of having a domicile was heating it so clothing inside became optional. [21:20]
pete_dushenski might as well really [21:20]
pete_dushenski export pipelines to china from alberta are happening whether keystone goes forward or not [21:20]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not really. Domestically we are getting the oil just fine. There's refineries spread all over the country. The point of the pipe is it runs to the ports in Texas. [21:20]
asciilifeform winter clothing << the comical heat-only-the-humans-with-microwave-turret gadget from the film series 'silicon valley' was - afaik - proposed in earnest. possibly in ussr. vague recollection. [21:21]
asciilifeform ^ (scene) [21:22]
assbot Silicon Valley - Human heater - YouTube ... ( ) [21:22]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? [21:22]
undata mircea_popescu: [21:25]
assbot Portland Will Save Reservoir Water Tainted By Teen's Urine ... ( ) [21:25]
undata ^ clearly this merits spending a few hundred million [21:25]
mircea_popescu "spending" [21:25]
mircea_popescu you're looking at it wrong [21:25]
mircea_popescu "job creation" [21:25]
mircea_popescu it's not really money. [21:25]
undata look that reservoir, you didn't make that to piss in, we all did [21:26]
asciilifeform calculate ppm. s/saxitoxin/piss [21:26]
asciilifeform how much must drink from the reservoir to get lethal dose. [21:26]
undata and yet people still swim in the river [21:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements << uranium is, if mishandled, extremely toxic. [21:27]
mircea_popescu kinda why du projectiles keep coming close to ban [21:27]
asciilifeform (one of strongest known poisons, ld-50 for man ~= 0.5 mg) [21:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Pu - toxic; dU is a weak alpha emitter [21:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform get letal does with what certainty ? [21:28]
asciilifeform 0.5 [21:28]
asciilifeform (def of ld50) [21:28]
mircea_popescu because the us is built on "0% risk", see. otherwise smoking is ok and no need for helmets. [21:28]
mircea_popescu so, a cupful is enoguh [21:28]
mircea_popescu re u : it's chemically toxic. [21:28]
undata google says the average bladder is about 0.5 L [21:30]
mircea_popescu on an equal exposure basis, suspended particulates / oxides way way beat stuff like azbestos. [21:30]
asciilifeform heavy metal - yes [21:30]
mircea_popescu more so than gold. [21:30]
mircea_popescu it's lead++ [21:30]
asciilifeform gold is biologically inert for practical purposes [21:31]
mircea_popescu but a heavy metal. [21:31]
asciilifeform aha [21:31]
asciilifeform not the only edible one, either [21:31]
asciilifeform Bi is mostly inert in man [21:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, gold oxides and suspensions are very moderately toxic [21:31]
asciilifeform aha. coordination complex. [21:32]
mircea_popescu (the colodial silver folk are the working study group for this) [21:32]
asciilifeform (recall how aqua regia works) [21:32]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform [21:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go <<< turns out stan is ALSO toxic [21:33]
mircea_popescu uncontrolled laughter with liduid aspiration [21:34]
mircea_popescu possibly life threatening. [21:34]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i merely thought it was odd that you brought up two figures who are not, afaik, known to have invented anything as examples of inventor [21:34]
pete_dushenski hmm. "known" ? [21:35]
pete_dushenski i mean you know a lot about a lot of things [21:35]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: possibly you knew of some invention that i am not aware of, attributed to these men ? [21:35]
mircea_popescu now i gotta checkthis [21:35]
pete_dushenski i guess an "inventor" for me doesn't have to have a specific product attributed to them [21:36]
pete_dushenski as much as being known for their, well, craftiness [21:36]
asciilifeform for instance, one often meets with discussion of how edison 'did not invent' x. which, for most values of x, is technically true. but i have not been able to find evidence (did try) that he is not the actual inventor of phonograph. [21:36]
mircea_popescu well he doesn't mean inventor-inventor, like tesla. [21:36]
pete_dushenski to which point i think both deserve some credit [21:36]
mircea_popescu he means what graham means. business major. [21:36]
asciilifeform (though a certain frenchman did record audio in a very edisonesque manner, without playing back, a few years before e.) [21:36]
pete_dushenski sure, but edison is still an inventor [21:37]
pete_dushenski whether or not he was "the first to 'invent' xyz" [21:37]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: herr jobs & bezos are well-known figures but they are 'inventors' in much the same way as they are ballerinas. [21:37]
mircea_popescu so the opposite of inventor is "anonymous" ? [21:38]
pete_dushenski lol [21:38]
asciilifeform what's the opposite of ballerina ? [21:38]
mircea_popescu i was talking to him lol. [21:38]
pete_dushenski unballerina [21:38]
pete_dushenski tap dancer [21:38]
mircea_popescu and the opposite of ballerina is, dependopopotamus. [21:38]
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asciilifeform l0l [21:38]
mircea_popescu i guess if you're a lesbian ballerina coneisseurette, it's a dildo. [21:40]
mircea_popescu still starts with d. [21:40]
pete_dushenski in a way, i suppose that the opposite of an inventor is anonymous... [21:40]
pete_dushenski not that the opposite of anonymous is an inventor [21:41]
mircea_popescu so what's spinoza ? [21:42]
pete_dushenski writer, philosopher... [21:42]
pete_dushenski i see where you're going [21:42]
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mircea_popescu On April 5, DPR wrote: "I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action." [21:42]
mircea_popescu dude... [21:42]
mircea_popescu HE DELETED IT [21:43]
pete_dushenski and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words [21:43]
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mircea_popescu i enjoy reading these articles even if it's the same subject matter all over again, [21:43]
mircea_popescu because it's all so damned funny. [21:43]
mircea_popescu sorta like watching carlin over. [21:43]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski iirc he invented some lens bits. [21:43]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu aha yknow come to think of it that rings a bell [21:44]
pete_dushenski you just caught me in the middle of reading "ethics" again and that's the salient bit [21:44]
mircea_popescu but, since he's mentioned, [21:44]
mircea_popescu Schisms do not originate in a love of truth, which is a source of courtesy and gentleness, but rather in an inordinate desire for supremacy. From all these considerations it is clearer than the Sun at noonday, that the true schismatics are those who condemn other men's writings, and seditiously stir up the quarrelsome masses against their authors, rather than those authors themselves, who generally write only for the l [21:44]
mircea_popescu earned, and appeal solely to reason. In fact, the real disturbers of the peace are those who, in a free state, seek to curtail the liberty of judgment which they are unable to tyrannize over. [21:44]
pete_dushenski sharp [21:47]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? << Texas itself net exports on its own [21:47]
mircea_popescu this is true. [21:47]
pete_dushenski “The greatest secret of monarchic to keep men deceived and to cloak in the specious name of religion the fear by which they must be checked, so that they will fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it not shameful, but a most honorable achievement, to give their life and blood that one man may have a ground for boasting.” [21:48]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? [21:49]
mircea_popescu well actually i don't think it's shameful either. [21:49]
mircea_popescu what else would life&blood be given for ? moar offspring ? [21:49]
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mircea_popescu shit, "human girls asshole" search string trendingon trilema. THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED! [21:50]
mircea_popescu looking for butts to probe [21:50]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? << Yes, especially the neighbors. "Fracking" [21:50]
asciilifeform (human (girl's asshole)) [21:50]
asciilifeform like 'human cannonball' etc [21:50]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu spinoza's just saying it's a "secret" [21:51]
mircea_popescu who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? [21:51]
BingoBoingo who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? << This. Also Oklahomo, Louisiana... [21:52]
pete_dushenski further north, monsanto farms [21:52]
pete_dushenski i dunno [21:52]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski> further north, monsanto farms Further north and Keystone XL doesn't need to be as long. Right now trains and barges move crude. Refineries scatted around as well. [21:54]
BingoBoingo I actually think this whole fracking/pipeline thing is rather poetic. The United States is literally shattering the country's bedrock to become more like Nigeria. [22:11]
asciilifeform !up RagnarDanneskjol [22:13]
asciilifeform somebody do it [22:14]
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nubbins` !up CerberusVM [22:14]
nubbins` o woe is me [22:14]
asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol> asciilifeform - update from nano from few hours ago: [22:14]
asciilifeform (23:51:57) nanotube: hi, looks like outbound connectivity is dead on my vps. filed support request, would appreciate someone to take a look [22:14]
nubbins` hi, looks like i was offline for 2 weeks and am only now noticing :D [22:15]
asciilifeform any ops awake ? [22:15]
BingoBoingo !up[ RagnarDanneskjol [22:15]
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TomServo mircea_popescu: Naw, I had just noticed he joined the chan earlier. [22:17]
nubbins` CerberusVM: welcome [22:17]
nubbins` apologies for the technical difficulties, gribble's absence has left us mildly encumbered [22:17]
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thestringpuller we have ops now? [22:25]
thestringpuller what if nanotube leaving was an attempt to make ops in our channel [22:25]
asciilifeform whateverthey'recalled [22:26]
thestringpuller kakobrekla and mircea_popescu were in on it [22:26]
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pete_dushenski heya PeterL [22:28]
RagnarDanneskjol While we anxiously await gribb's return, its worth mentioning, the best btc exchange avail is funded by donations...address is at bottom of OTC website [22:28]
pete_dushenski since there's no ;;later function, you'll note that i left you a msg in the logs [22:29]
RagnarDanneskjol [22:29]
PeterL wrt pipeline: I thought they were piping it to texas because that is where the refineries are, refineries are there because that is where ports are? [22:29]
assbot Twitter ... ( ) [22:29]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Well a number of refineries there, but there' refineries pretty much everywhere. [22:29]
pete_dushenski off on a date. laters! [22:31]
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PeterL Justin Amash has an interesting take on the issue, [22:33]
assbot ... ( ) [22:33]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. << does this mean you also appreciate time management? [22:34]
* asciilifeform confused [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00062169 = 31.0845 BTC [-] [22:41]
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PeterL mircea_popescu: you said a replacement for gribble auth was in the works, were you referring to "gossipd" or a more readily available something else, like using assbot for auth? [22:49]
mircea_popescu PeterL the latter. [22:49]
PeterL any details available? [22:49]
mircea_popescu fwiw, nano said hi earlier, benign story is benign. [22:50]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall [22:50]
mircea_popescu so, shouldn't be so very long. [22:50]
mircea_popescu tempted to guess it'll be before bitstamp's exchange's back online at any rate :D [22:51]
PeterL lol [22:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00064463 = 30.1365 BTC [+] [23:19]
nanotube yes, nanotube is alive. unfortunately, my server network isn't so much. :) [23:25]
mod6 wb nano [23:27]
nanotube :) [23:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall << will assbot write to a wot db - assbot_wot.db if you will? or will it just be read-only? [23:30]
mircea_popescu read only wouldn't make much sense would it. [23:32]
thestringpuller ah so the wot is forking ;) [23:33]
mircea_popescu on the plus side, since we have the signed pastebin thing down pat by now, [23:34]
mircea_popescu it can actually do signed ratings [23:34]
mike_c can it get 'rated since' right? so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date. [23:35]
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thestringpuller if you're upgrading why not take revision of rating [23:35]
thestringpuller rating v1 v2 v3 [23:35]
mike_c meh. i don't mind replacing. rating shouldn't necessarily follow you forever. [23:36]
mircea_popescu mike_c this is a good idea huh. [23:36]
mircea_popescu that weighing is a bitch. [23:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062202 = 18.3807 BTC [-] [23:37]
thestringpuller mike_c: well some things stay ony our credit report for years even if the rating changes :P [23:38]
thestringpuller on your* [23:38]
mike_c yes. thankfully we are not experian :) [23:38]
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thestringpuller when did the cult become forgiving :P [23:39]
mircea_popescu if they're signed they don't go away anyway. [23:39]
mircea_popescu hekc, the old ones don't go away either, you can just log the chan. [23:39]
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thestringpuller they can if you rate through pm [23:40]
mike_c there's a channel with all rating updates [23:40]
thestringpuller oh rly? [23:40]
asciilifeform gonna be a mega-lol when 'gossip' is plugged in and we do yet another 'year zero'.. [23:40]
thestringpuller so the db is gonna be fresh, everyone has to re-register keys and stuff? [23:40]
thestringpuller by mention of 'year zero' ~_~ [23:41]
mike_c thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings [23:41]
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asciilifeform a full-bore year zero would require everybody suddenly forgetting their keys [23:41]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i dun see why it would have to be fresh. [23:42]
mircea_popescu there's copies to the old one prev to jan 6th or w/e. [23:42]
mircea_popescu same for gossipd. [23:42]
thestringpuller yah just wondering. [23:42]
thestringpuller asciilifeform had me confused with 'year zero' [23:42]
thestringpuller i was thinking of the NiN album [23:42]
* asciilifeform just fond of the phrase [23:42]
thestringpuller then you'll love the album :P [23:43]
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blazeme8 ty [23:53]
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blazeme8 what's WoT? [23:53]
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BingoBoingo The instrument of restoring Venetian civilization [23:54]
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mircea_popescu blazeme8 [23:55]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:55]
blazeme8 ooohh the thing from bitcoin-otc [23:55]
mircea_popescu yea [23:55]
blazeme8 man I have no idea if i still have my key [23:59]
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