Forum logs for 07 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu thestringpuller yeah ideally the wiki should end up a sort of short story of all the blawgs. [00:00]
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fluffypony sure, but a cryptocurrency trading website needs to be able to enact trades in real time in a monolithic fashion [00:00]
fluffypony !up JorgePasada [00:00]
assbot Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes. [00:00]
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benkay ;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada [00:00]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014 [00:00]
benkay he can up hisself, fluffypony [00:00]
mircea_popescu yes, this is true, money changers didn't traditionally run like banks. [00:00]
fluffypony benkay: yes but I want to talk to him [00:01]
JorgePasada benkay: Not gonna make the meetup tonight, I'll be down later in the week though [00:01]
benkay see you sometime, frere. [00:01]
fluffypony JorgePasada: I see our friends in the Neo&Bee thread don't understand that when you and I say "creditor" we mean "creditor" and not "investor" [00:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330001 = 0.165 BTC [-] [00:01]
mircea_popescu the mystery lemma of -assets is that no matter in what asshole of the world any one assetteer lives, there's at least one that lives within visiting distance. [00:01]
mircea_popescu it's almost as if we inhabit a theoretical topological construct rather than irl. [00:02]
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JorgePasada fluffypony: People throw words around with absolute certainty and complete disregard for actual meaning [00:03]
* fluffypony nods [00:03]
JorgePasada and the worst part is they don't even try to question their own understanding and/or more accurately drill down on meaning [00:04]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: eventually, i see fewer people walking into bitcoin (and assets) like they own the place << kinda what i'm trying to get with the trouting various clueless twits a la courtois. "it ain't yo momma's btc, yo! show some respek!" [00:05]
asciilifeform did anyone ever ferret out who courtois is/was ? [00:05]
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mircea_popescu JorgePasada well you know, if one can't reach eventual intellectual consistency through logical means, the only method available is not asking questions. [00:06]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform some random dood aspiring to academia, i had his page somewhere. [00:06]
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asciilifeform that paper was a true masterpiece of the 'chicken recipe' where the chicken never turned up. [00:07]
ozbot Nicolas T. COURTOIS' research in cryptography [00:07]
mircea_popescu check out the new/bomb bullets. [00:07]
JorgePasada mircea_popescu: Is that the Intellectual consistency through ignorance approach? [00:07]
asciilifeform GOST !?! [00:07]
mircea_popescu he has an entire list of derp there. "On Subversive Miner Strategies and Block Withholding Attack in Bitcoin Digital Currency" [00:07]
asciilifeform how the hell does one cryptanalyze gost without the s-boxes [00:07]
mircea_popescu JorgePasada yup. can't be beat. [00:08]
mircea_popescu (classical period "invincible ignorance") [00:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, i was thinking, o look what cryptologia publishes now. [00:08]
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mircea_popescu i must admit i never looked at one since 2005 or w/e it moved [00:09]
asciilifeform didn't miss much. [00:09]
mircea_popescu but in the 80s i recall it being somewhat of a big deal [00:09]
mircea_popescu course, 80s cryptology. heh. [00:09]
JorgePasada mircea_popescu: The scary part is when they fit data to their ideas/ideals instead of the other way around [00:10]
JorgePasada Hard not to though [00:10]
* mircea_popescu puts on his metaphysician hat. JorgePasada nothing that necessarily is could be scary, necessarily [00:10]
asciilifeform as far as i can see, this fellow's a genuine, if unimaginative crypto type. and bitcoin is now part of the mandatory 'gentleman's set' of topics such a creature must at least pretend to show an interest in. hence paper. [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [00:11]
JorgePasada :-) Too meta for today, I'm in getting shit done mode before this Amsterdam trip. [00:11]
mircea_popescu and the way he goers about it makes one fucking petrified of these folks' general competence and ability as displayed at the daily business of their chosen field. [00:11]
asciilifeform this is a sadder discovery than i expected - (expected a green grad student or somesuch) [00:11]
mircea_popescu it's as if you were a woman, and visited gynecologists monthly, until one day when you discovered they decided football was part of gynecology, and then kept running into one another on the field like drunk sperms. [00:12]
mircea_popescu at which point you're suddenly afraid to let them use metal objects on your soft bit. [00:12]
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asciilifeform lol! [00:12]
asciilifeform of course i can picture another scenario [00:12]
asciilifeform where crypto academics are quietly slipped various turds to print under their names. 'can also have problems.' [00:13]
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mircea_popescu you can, but i'm taking bets against that. [00:13]
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asciilifeform i'd have bet, on account of the first page or two of the turd smelling of crafted disinfo [00:14]
asciilifeform but having ingested the entire rotten egg - no bet. [00:14]
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mircea_popescu no psyop in the world can compile disinfo of the level ignorance & stupidity can. [00:14]
mircea_popescu see, specialisation refines and improves the quality of one's corectness. [00:14]
mircea_popescu it does not however help the quality of one's error. [00:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00015876 = 0.254 BTC [-] {4} [00:14]
mircea_popescu the best error, like the best entropy, is the result of a different approach than culture. [00:15]
BingoBoingo It's why Hearn gets suspected of disinfo and this guy is suspected of lazy and ignorant [00:15]
mircea_popescu bingo. [00:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [-] {2} [00:15]
mircea_popescu hearn's not very good at it. [00:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 125 @ 0.0008621 = 0.1078 BTC [-] [00:16]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: I imagine we'll fill the wiki with important points over time << as stan'd say, i can also see another scenario, where the wiki is still where it's now, a decade later. [00:19]
BingoBoingo Also a possibility [00:20]
mircea_popescu "DarknetMarkets IPVO" [00:20]
mircea_popescu holy shit. the ipo of an anon entity ? logic just got knotted into a pretzel and ate itself. [00:20]
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mircea_popescu "so i contributed some equity" "to whom ?" "to someone" "so what do you want ?" "a share of the profit" "of whom ?!" "of someone" [00:21]
mircea_popescu "well perhaps you should sue ?" "ok." *files suit against "someone"* [00:22]
mircea_popescu *suit gets rejected for lack of venue, failure to state a claim, failure to file and failure to fail* [00:22]
mircea_popescu "oh this opressive government and the fucking courts which we can say we live in a tyrannical tyranny!11" [00:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.00565409 = 0.4241 BTC [-] {13} [00:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: 'bb' caliber cannons. or, alternatively and more simply, rams. << i remember watching a rather interesting "electricity stealing" competition among some flying items a few years ago. [00:24]
mircea_popescu trying to evolve drone designs [00:24]
mircea_popescu fluffypony im kinda after the root of that arrenne magical word. i'm pretty sure it's neither to forget nor to be. [00:25]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: unfortunately the grandparents I have that are still alive are very peasant, so I'm not going to get much more out of them [00:26]
fluffypony :-P [00:26]
mircea_popescu well if they were from calabria... [00:26]
mircea_popescu they're not huh. [00:26]
fluffypony no, unfortunately not [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00085327 = 7.2528 BTC [+] [00:27]
mircea_popescu but look at the beauty of what is (could be) in a word : [00:27]
fluffypony Sicily (nonna) and Modena (nonno) [00:27]
BingoBoingo [00:27]
ozbot Dankcoin [00:27]
mircea_popescu if it's indeed arrendar, one's to explain how the hell vulgar latin yielded the same thing in south italy and in south spain [00:27]
mircea_popescu and moreover, why the d is rendered as n in a double n, wtf, this isn't even a documented consonant migration afaik [00:28]
mircea_popescu i'd have to spend weeks with recordings of ethnology and folklore to listen for the double n construct tho, and i obviously have not the time for it. [00:29]
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mircea_popescu Members Online Now : Atruk, hyperiond, bitkill, jurov, coinminer69er, bertani Total: 68 (members: 6, guests: 57, robots: 5) [00:32]
mircea_popescu that thing isn't really doing that bad. [00:32]
BingoBoingo No it isn't at all. [00:32]
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mircea_popescu "Join me & meet the old & new in payments (@AmericanExpress, @Visa, & @RippleLabs)" [00:34]
mircea_popescu it'd seem to me the principal utility of ripple these days is so that banking idiots who wish to spend longer with their head in the sand can pretend like they're not. [00:34]
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mircea_popescu also in the news, Human Rights Watch : [00:36]
mircea_popescu MP : The point of womanhood is for the woman to start a new life, as a new person, once she sexually matures. [00:36]
thestringpuller!JNao7 [00:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the best error << see 'precision vs. accuracy', as (perhaps even still?) taught in school [00:37]
jurov what? i've not been logged on several days [00:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mhm. [00:37]
mircea_popescu twitter : "25 hedge fund managers earned more than double every kindergarten teacher combined. But who created more value?" mp : "Definitely no kindergarten "teacher" ever created any value. Just trying to claim the workings of nature for themselves." [00:38]
mircea_popescu i wonder if i'll end up banned eventually. [00:38]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I don't think twitter really bans. [00:38]
thestringpuller For quite awhile now, kids have had a real anxiety about being separated from their phone, but today it was near panic. I am hoping by tomorrow some of the novelty will have worn off and we can get back to business. [00:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo didn't they ban that uk fellow recently ? [00:38]
pankkake ;;tslb [00:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I didn't hear anything like that. Could also be dumb UK stuff? [00:39]
gribble Time since last block: 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 44 seconds [00:39]
BingoBoingo %tslb [00:39]
atcbot 9 minutes and 25 seconds [00:39]
asciilifeform every kindergarten teacher combined << add up the earnings of all of the garbagemen in your country. and to see what value they create, visit a city with 'garbage strike' [00:39]
asciilifeform these actually happen in usa [00:39]
mircea_popescu "Today was the first day in a long time I actually took phones away. I have no idea what all was included in the update, but you would have thought it was crack. They seriously could not keep away from it. I even had one girl crawl under the table with her phone." [00:40]
mircea_popescu lol crack. [00:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they happen more in italy. [00:40]
asciilifeform to folks with this particular form of brain damage, garbageman should seem like the height of occupational importance pyramid [00:40]
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mircea_popescu but a garbageman does something useful. a kindergarten teacher perhaps, some places. NOT in ussr, and not in ussa tho. most emphatically not. [00:40]
asciilifeform in ussr they at least occasionally administered medicinal beatings [00:41]
mircea_popescu nothing medicinal about beating 3 yos. [00:41]
mircea_popescu too soon. [00:41]
mircea_popescu children are born cowardly, if your preschooler can't be controlled by scowling you need to work on your warface. [00:41]
asciilifeform 3yo should learn to see a (correctly sized) thrashing as something ordinary [00:42]
mike_c +1 i can stop my son in his tracks with my warface. [00:42]
mircea_popescu maybe with a newspaper, asciilifeform [00:42]
asciilifeform plastic ruler, more traditional [00:42]
mircea_popescu i mean, i think we know i'm no priss, and so im not speaking from some locus of nonsensical ideology. [00:42]
mircea_popescu but teh beating of single digit aged ppls is dysfunctional. [00:43]
asciilifeform ussr was set up as bone-simple, rather than optimal, apparatus. [00:43]
mircea_popescu this is true. [00:43]
asciilifeform re: drone competition - flying machine enthusiasts are surprisingly tradition-bound [00:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo iirc he said something or the other about some stadium accident. beautyon has the story. [00:44]
BingoBoingo Ah [00:45]
asciilifeform i've yet to meet one that would take seriously the idea of using a 'spaceball' for control, in place of the nonsensical double mini-joystick (inherited from model cars!) [00:45]
mircea_popescu that's weird... [00:45]
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asciilifeform 'spaceball' is a beautiful thing. not to be confused with trackball [00:45]
asciilifeform it doesn't rotate freely in its pedestal - only twists. along any axis. [00:46]
mircea_popescu i imagined surely they must have smartphone accelerometer as an interface [00:46]
mircea_popescu perhaps the dominant one by now [00:46]
asciilifeform at least one toy store variant does [00:46]
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asciilifeform hard to control throttle / accessories that way, though [00:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, stupid for spaceball to not market itself as "magic wand" [00:46]
mircea_popescu add a stick to the ball. [00:46]
asciilifeform tilted phone is also difficult to return to neutral [00:47]
asciilifeform whereas spaceball need only be released [00:47]
asciilifeform this is why the ball needs pedestal [00:47]
asciilifeform (spaceball is visible in my ancient robo-widget spam - [00:47]
mircea_popescu "At that point I took all the phones away and we had a little reminder chat about when it was appropriate to use your phone and when it was not. Also that it was rarely appropriate to hide under the table." chetty check this out : no longer appropriate to hide under desk in the us school system. [00:48]
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asciilifeform ;;google bert the turtle [00:48]
gribble Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube: ; Duck and Cover (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bert The Turtle (The Duck And Cover Song) - Atomic Platters: [00:48]
BingoBoingo [00:48]
ozbot Richard Stallman Answers Your Questions - Slashdot [00:48]
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chetty what, no more hide from the nukes under your desk??? [00:49]
pankkake the questions and responses were actually interesting [00:49]
asciilifeform people laugh at bert the turtle [00:49]
asciilifeform because, 'once you see the flash, you've been xrayed' [00:49]
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asciilifeform but the intent was to avoid being 'hedgehogged' by broken glass, among other things [00:50]
asciilifeform sitting under desk - wasn't an entirely dumb idea. [00:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform seems that way to me. you'd want your butt over your head, not your head over your butt [00:50]
mircea_popescu tho gonads further complicate matters. [00:51]
asciilifeform afaik, that was specified [00:51]
asciilifeform once you see the flash, gonads are well-done [00:51]
mircea_popescu i guess the ideal underdesk packing would be butt, head, then torso atop and limbs atop that [00:51]
mircea_popescu once you see the flash, gonads are well-done << this is quite not true, actually. [00:51]
asciilifeform clearly depends on distance, etc [00:52]
mircea_popescu of course. [00:52]
asciilifeform anyone own one of those old 'nuke calculator' slide rules? [00:52]
mircea_popescu moreover, looky here : suppose you are a woman, for some reason. you are born with all your sex cells. [00:52]
mircea_popescu if you get blasted by ionizing radiatiopn, some will die [00:52]
mircea_popescu those will never mature [00:52]
mircea_popescu the remaining tho, will. [00:52]
mircea_popescu so you'll still be ovulating, esp as a young woman, no matter the dose. [00:52]
asciilifeform sure. question is, ovulating what. [00:53]
mircea_popescu not much of a question. [00:53]
benkay sorry to interrupt but this is just too lulzy: [00:53]
mircea_popescu for the ovule to manage to come out it needs to pass a bunch of checks. [00:53]
asciilifeform so hypothesis here - hiroshima mutations are fallout effect, rather than xray? [00:54]
asciilifeform this is testable. [00:54]
asciilifeform somebody should find the remaining sephardim who were, at one point, 'deloused' in israel with... xray machine [00:54]
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BingoBoingo Oh, Strontium 90 [00:54]
BingoBoingo Cobalt 60 [00:55]
asciilifeform another demographic - airplane stewardesses [00:55]
asciilifeform birth mutants, or no - ? [00:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to a large degree, it hurts the fetuses, not the kids-to-be-born later [00:56]
mircea_popescu because fetuses rapidly divide [00:56]
asciilifeform checksums, sure. [00:56]
asciilifeform amplification of defect [00:56]
mircea_popescu it further hurts later conceptions because of the inside the womb radiation [00:56]
mircea_popescu (from say cesium lodged in the woman's basin) [00:56]
asciilifeform somewhere there lives an answer to this question. but i've a dump truck to move. [00:56]
mircea_popescu it's well known that airplane pilots tend to father girls [00:57]
mircea_popescu this, because cosmic rays kill the weaker male making sperm [00:57]
mircea_popescu the girls they make, however, are healthy. [00:57]
mircea_popescu benkay tweeted tat shit. lawl. [00:57]
chetty now why would male making sperm tend to be weaker? its an interesting question .. [00:59]
mircea_popescu because the male chromosome sucks and is larger and derpier [00:59]
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mircea_popescu lol [01:00]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Y chromosome is actually much small, contains less checksums. [01:01]
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mircea_popescu “Alibaba is the fastest-growing Internet company in one of the fastest-growing economies in the world,” said Sameet Sinha [01:01]
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BingoBoingo Girls get XX and hence more checksums [01:01]
mircea_popescu also biggest and oldest etc. [01:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i thought the Y was longer by like 15% [01:01]
* mircea_popescu is not a biologist. [01:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dunno about physical size, but the Y contains much less encoding and information. [01:02]
mircea_popescu this is true, but i meant size [01:02]
BingoBoingo AH [01:02]
mircea_popescu in things such as surviving a dose of xrays, it's counterintuitively your length more than your area that matters at subcellular level [01:03]
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BingoBoingo It also matter that reduncancy is better than the lack thereof. Y is more vulnerable in both aspects. [01:04]
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mircea_popescu !up blueocean [01:06]
assbot Voicing blueocean for 30 minutes. [01:06]
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mircea_popescu true. [01:06]
blueocean thank you mp, that was nice of you [01:07]
mircea_popescu sure. [01:07]
mircea_popescu who're you ? [01:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00085496 = 16.3725 BTC [+] {2} [01:07]
blueocean lol [01:07]
blueocean i'm a human [01:08]
mircea_popescu that's a start. [01:08]
blueocean i just realized i've been using lol too much over the last few years. i apologize [01:08]
mircea_popescu fluffypony congrats on media whoring. can you offer text summary for the audio patience challenged ? [01:08]
mircea_popescu [01:09]
mircea_popescu check that out ye people behind the plastic curtain : [01:09]
mircea_popescu you'll have even slower interwebz. [01:09]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: unfortunately not, was off-the-cuff, but mostly just reiterated stuff I've mentioned in here before and did lots of marketing-droid-speak about The importance Of Adoption (tm) [01:09]
mircea_popescu aok wd. [01:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06973836 = 1.2553 BTC [+] {3} [01:11]
bitcoinpete plastic curtain… i like that [01:12]
mircea_popescu feel free to steal it. [01:12]
bitcoinpete < [01:12]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: ty [01:12]
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mircea_popescu mike_c: it has minimum of 8.0 Mw. that would be impressive if manmade. << impressive ? if an 8.0 earthquake were man made i doubt we'd still have computers left tobitch about things. [01:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: tesla's apparatus was briefcase-sized. and, according to rumour, the experiment has been replicated since. but, to no one's great surprise, the data in open literature is very scarce. << thatthing's like the water engine imo. [01:15]
bitcoinpete < [01:15]
ozbot Twitter / ErikVoorhees: Spent over 40 minutes on the ... [01:15]
mircea_popescu kik [01:15]
mircea_popescu blueocean see, use kik instead of lol. [01:16]
pankkake lol, bitpay is using cloudflare [01:16]
pankkake I really need a firefox addon to display a red cloudflare warning… [01:16]
mircea_popescu mhm. [01:16]
bitcoinpete all the muricans use cloudflare [01:16]
pankkake and of course I discover it because… the page isn't responding [01:16]
pankkake thank you cloudflare!!! [01:16]
pankkake you mean soundcloud? :) [01:17]
pankkake This page ( is currently offline. However, because the site uses CloudFlare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site [01:17]
bitcoinpete keeping the door open is more cost-effective than fisa, etc [01:17]
pankkake yeah, static copy of login page [01:17]
mircea_popescu lawl [01:17]
mircea_popescu how's the api doing ? [01:17]
mircea_popescu suppose im a merchant that just sold 10k btc worth of fresh salmon, am i fucked nao ? [01:17]
pankkake I hope it's not on the same servers :D [01:18]
pankkake I just wanted to know what was the purchase link I created a while back, I don't use the API [01:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: ZOMG. << OMFG KAKO!!11 [01:19]
kakobrekla i know :/ [01:19]
mircea_popescu here i sit crushing my and every expert's brain as to why the fucking hell of fuck does bitbet aff not take off [01:19]
mircea_popescu i have to find out from mike ?! [01:19]
kakobrekla maybe its time he takes over bb. [01:20]
mircea_popescu no, cause that's too much hard work for no cookies [01:20]
fluffypony pankkake, when we had our Bitcoin Black Friday special their API was unavailable [01:21]
kakobrekla on the bright side, it was off by just a 1000. [01:21]
pankkake omg [01:21]
pankkake millions invested, can't even pay for real DDoS protection or servers [01:21]
mircea_popescu pankkake aww. [01:21]
mircea_popescu in george's words, "bear in mind we at least paid to spraypaint a crackwhore!" [01:22]
mircea_popescu srs bzns [01:22]
pankkake that was them? [01:22]
mircea_popescu iirc ? no ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu the golden horror ? [01:22]
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pankkake doesn't look like it [01:23]
pankkake they paid for the wall [01:23]
mircea_popescu uh. so who paid for the girl then ?! [01:23]
mircea_popescu the risk of paying for walls : you may end up associated with the hobo pissing on them [01:24]
pankkake triple m… [01:24]
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bitcoinpete like the tape [01:24]
pankkake with some "ooo" in it [01:24]
mircea_popescu triple moo ? what ? [01:24]
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pankkake found it [01:26]
pankkake triple goatse [01:27]
bitcoinpete wd [01:27]
mircea_popescu uh ok. ty! [01:27]
mircea_popescu so bitpay shared a wall with the guys. [01:28]
mircea_popescu "bitpay, premier non redundant birtcoin service, powered by triple 000 media" says that wall. [01:28]
bitcoinpete and 000 shared a girl with a canadian tuxedo [01:28]
mircea_popescu << check that out [01:29]
mircea_popescu specifically, the 1px thin lower border resulting from some real clever monkey in the photo chop seat. [01:29]
bitcoinpete lol that's an awful website [01:30]
bitcoinpete i wouldn't hire them to mow my lawn [01:30]
mircea_popescu would you hire them to mew your lown ? [01:30]
pankkake yet they spent money on conference promo when they have nothing to show [01:30]
mircea_popescu pankkake clearly you don't understand the party culture. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu people buy the whole bar rounds when they have no good story to tell / no good toast to make all the damned time. [01:31]
bitcoinpete my lown was borned mewed [01:31]
pankkake I remember the day I got free drinks thanks to GitHub. Gave the tip to a bunch of people, most of them didn't even know what GitHub was [01:32]
mircea_popescu i hope you didn't refer to those people as "guys" [01:32]
pankkake apparently the tab was a few thousands [01:32]
mircea_popescu or w/e, mecs [01:32]
pankkake IIRC there was only one girl :( [01:33]
mircea_popescu what's gals in french again ? can't be you guys go around saying copine or some shit [01:33]
pankkake the year after, you had to register to be allowed in :D [01:33]
pankkake meuf, fille, gonzesse [01:33]
mircea_popescu meuf aok [01:33]
mircea_popescu btw, am i the only one to remember mlouf, the foot-face thing ? [01:34]
pankkake meuf would be the more common / younger saying [01:34]
mircea_popescu [01:34]
pankkake I'm probably too young for it. I haven't read much Pif either [01:35]
pankkake you were reading communist Pif, I was reading capitalist Picsou [01:35]
decimation asciilifeform: anyone own one of those old 'nuke calculator' slide rules? << Herr Walker simluates one and describes how to build one on his site [01:35]
mircea_popescu pankkake nah, i had the complete editions valliant, 1952 to 1970ish, bound in yearly tomes [01:36]
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benkay bitcoin agency? [01:36]
benkay not in the web of trust? [01:37]
benkay bitch please. [01:37]
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mircea_popescu oh i guess you're right, it was some front populaire thing [01:37]
benkay far as i can see there's precisely one agency in the WoT. [01:37]
mircea_popescu benkay what are they supposed to be doing ? [01:37]
mircea_popescu other than being the first and largest agency, ofcourse. [01:37]
pankkake Pif was edited by l'Humanité, the communist newspaper (still active). though surpringly there wasn't much propaganda [01:38]
benkay agency is a web 3.14 name for a contract development shop. [01:38]
benkay pretty sure i own the only contract development shop in the wot, but i'd be thrilled to meet some others. [01:38]
mircea_popescu benkay well, tell them :D [01:39]
bitcoinpete "BTC China announced via Twitter today that it has suspended Chinese yuan deposits from the Bank of China" [01:39]
benkay what, and help the competition? [01:39]
benkay mircea_popescu: if they can't figure out where the money is i don't want to meet them. [01:39]
mircea_popescu benkay you get to find out if it's the sort of competition you'd be better served working together with. [01:39]
benkay unless of course they're the kind of whores that need pimping... [01:40]
mircea_popescu pankkake : vaillant, French publisher, founded in July 1946 by the Front Patriotique de la Jeunesse (FPJ) [01:40]
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mircea_popescu twasn't published by l'humanite [01:40]
decimation asciilifeform: (19-03-2014) as always, when using a technical pidgin like english, everybody loses something. << learning some German taught me how dumb English is: no grammatical cases, no genders, irregular endings, irregular pronunciation [01:40]
mircea_popescu In the 80's it merged with Éditions J becoming Éditions Vaillant-Miroir Sprint (VMS) (by then i wasn't paying attention anymore) [01:40]
mircea_popescu decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon [01:41]
pankkake L'Humanité is Pif. Front Patriotique de la Jeunesse definitively sounds like traditional right [01:41]
mircea_popescu and i coulnd't make it out because obviously it's tjuna [01:41]
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mircea_popescu otherwise you'd spell it fucking toona [01:41]
decimation lol yeah that [01:41]
mircea_popescu so we went into exploration and discovered that indeed, plain u is ju, otherwise neat u is oo [01:41]
mircea_popescu except... "not in american english" [01:41]
mircea_popescu so, there's two fucking levels of pigdinization, and only the 2nd layer actually killed the possibility of expression [01:42]
decimation most americans I know pronounce it toona [01:42]
mircea_popescu the english did have shakespeare [01:42]
decimation the US was so overpopulated with Germans 100 years ago that they shaped American English [01:42]
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decimation the other weird thing about US vs UK english is that the UK pronounce foreign words ... in English [01:43]
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mircea_popescu pankkake l'humanite was actually printed by jaures/the pcf [01:44]
decimation "Don Jewan" indeed [01:44]
mircea_popescu admittedly, a distinction very fine. [01:44]
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benkay !up AndrewJackson [01:44]
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benkay in other news, AWS claims that their log files are space delimited. [01:46]
benkay this is true. [01:46]
benkay additionally, some of their fields have spaces in them as well. [01:46]
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benkay is it unreasonable to expect that a delimeter not be used in fields? [01:46]
benkay i'm new to this pressed shitboard thing and can never tell if a thing is done incorrectly or if there's a deeper shitboard reason for the derptastic engineering. [01:47]
thestringpuller benkay yo yo yo [01:49]
benkay what's up fellow [01:49]
mircea_popescu benkay this design is nonsense, i don't care wtf. [01:49]
benkay thestringpuller: you pang? [01:49]
mircea_popescu why not just use csv, it'a a fuckin standard [01:50]
benkay can't tell if 'design' or just derps lifted out of someone else's DC for their 2 years in aws. [01:50]
benkay ;;google cascadian hacker remote hands [01:51]
gribble The Tragedy of Remote Hands - 'Canadian Bitcoins' robbed of 143.94: ; Cascadian Hacker: ; Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain ...: [01:51]
mircea_popescu benkay of course, traditional webserver access logs (the sort awstats processes) are in fact space separated [01:52]
mircea_popescu but the fields do not cointain spaces [01:52]
mircea_popescu (urls are encoded, so it'd be %20) [01:52]
benkay [01:53]
benkay is the notion that because it's in square brackets it'd be fine to include a space? [01:54]
benkay or do i need to write a state machine generator generator to identify unix time machines? [01:54]
mircea_popescu if the field is documented as [to] then i guess [01:54]
benkay lol unix time machines [01:55]
mircea_popescu course why the fuck do they not use the already conventrional "" [01:55]
mircea_popescu is beyond me. [01:55]
mircea_popescu [28/Apr/2013:03:01:16 +0000] vs "GET /PlantlustProgAccess?max-keys=1000 HTTP/1.1" [01:55]
mircea_popescu everyone gotta be speshal [01:55]
benkay fuck. everyone. involved. [01:55]
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mircea_popescu coula just went "28/Apr/2013:03:01:16 +0000" and you probably would have never even realised. [01:56]
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benkay at least the number of fields is consistent. only saving grace. [01:57]
benkay naw, imma notice whitespace no matter where it is. [01:57]
mircea_popescu [01:57]
benkay i mean give me a fn delimiter and i'm going to delimit on that. [01:57]
benkay ~> [01:57]
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ThickAsThieves motherfucking fuck [02:04]
ThickAsThieves as part of this solar install we werse sold a hybrid water heater [02:04]
kakobrekla and soap? [02:04]
mircea_popescu this is what people say whose washing machine water hose popped early in the unsupervised cycle [02:04]
ThickAsThieves rather than solar, cuz it's better or cheaper or whatever [02:04]
ThickAsThieves well, it'd more noisey than the A/C [02:04]
ThickAsThieves like very loud [02:05]
mircea_popescu well... it WAS cheaper [02:05]
ThickAsThieves and my garage is a converted recording studio in the making [02:05]
ThickAsThieves ... [02:05]
mircea_popescu !b 9 [02:05]
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kakobrekla you mean was? [02:05]
mircea_popescu he means would be [02:05]
ThickAsThieves it requires 700sqft of open air to work, so i also cant box it in to dampen noise [02:05]
kakobrekla or should be. [02:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves just go with the flow man. add the noise to the beats :D [02:06]
kakobrekla make it noise-rap [02:06]
mircea_popescu it's gotta be better than the shit on tv. [02:06]
kakobrekla or whatever you plan on recording [02:06]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:06]
ThickAsThieves i'm so frustrated by this [02:06]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what's the noisy part ? [02:06]
ThickAsThieves there's a mega fan, and then this humming mini-keg thing [02:07]
mircea_popescu is the fan making noise because of mechanics or airflow ? [02:07]
ThickAsThieves both [02:07]
benkay what the hell is a hybrid water heater? [02:07]
ThickAsThieves it uses the hot air or some shit [02:08]
kakobrekla its a thing that "will and will not heat your water" [02:08]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: what are you recording [02:08]
benkay because heating water isn't dead simple to begin with. [02:08]
ThickAsThieves oh look it has an electric mode [02:08]
ThickAsThieves maybe i can get out of thois only spending $4000 for nothing [02:08]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves Presents: The Lion King Intro (Cover) [02:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if it makes you feel better, my house (and most of europe) is heated by gas fired tankless systems, which actuyally make very little noise. [02:08]
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ThickAsThieves well the prior was electric, it only made noise when refilling with water after showers [02:09]
mircea_popescu benkay some shit us idea that tries to combine the african water heater (big tank painted black) with the european model (burn gas under the pipe, like a reverse fridge) [02:09]
ThickAsThieves this one uses like 30% of the electricity [02:10]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so basically by making a deal with your helpful government, you can now keep your hot water showers, [02:10]
mircea_popescu if you liked your hot water showers. [02:10]
mircea_popescu and it'll only cost an extra 4k. [02:10]
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ThickAsThieves the best part is the installer wouldnt even take the replaced one, which works perfectly fine [02:11]
ThickAsThieves here i was thinking i'd be nice and give it to him for free [02:11]
mircea_popescu lol [02:11]
ThickAsThieves he's like where do you want this [02:11]
ThickAsThieves motherfucker [02:11]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves have him come back, make a hybrid-hybrid system [02:11]
mircea_popescu where both the old and new are spliced together. [02:12]
ThickAsThieves i guess i need to ride it out and see if it shuts up when it's heated [02:12]
ThickAsThieves and how long that takes [02:12]
ThickAsThieves i bet it doesnt [02:12]
ThickAsThieves i bet the fan even runs on elec mode [02:13]
mircea_popescu tbh, unless you got some turboprop shit going on here, a properly soundproofed garage shouldn't care anywya. [02:13]
ThickAsThieves it's loud man [02:13]
mircea_popescu uh [02:13]
ThickAsThieves like i said i cant block it off either [02:13]
mircea_popescu how loud can it be ? got a db probe ? [02:13]
ThickAsThieves it just stopped! [02:13]
ThickAsThieves i'm a whiney bitch! [02:14]
mircea_popescu funny, i can't tell whether my heater fan is working from here. [02:14]
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ThickAsThieves i dont have a db probe, but have a special mic for measurements in a box somewhere [02:14]
ThickAsThieves no matter, i know from hearing it's too loud to have going with mics hot [02:15]
ThickAsThieves and to mix over [02:15]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do you want to do a soundproofing job w/o a db probe [02:15]
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ThickAsThieves it doesnt work like that [02:15]
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ThickAsThieves soundproofing isnt what i need [02:16]
ThickAsThieves that would only please neighbors [02:16]
mircea_popescu huh !? [02:16]
ThickAsThieves i need to control reflections [02:16]
ThickAsThieves sound treatment [02:16]
mircea_popescu oh [02:16]
mircea_popescu o boy. [02:16]
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mircea_popescu can i bet against this ipo of yours somewhere ? [02:17]
ThickAsThieves haha [02:17]
ThickAsThieves i think you misunderstand what i do [02:17]
ThickAsThieves i dotn record bands n shit [02:17]
ThickAsThieves or need multiple rooms [02:17]
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mircea_popescu you just heat water ? [02:18]
ThickAsThieves it's essentially a mixing room with a vocal area [02:18]
mircea_popescu well yes. that's what studios are these days. [02:18]
mircea_popescu because who the fuck plays an instrument anymore. [02:18]
ThickAsThieves well i have guitars and amp too [02:18]
ThickAsThieves but that's easy to mic even in sub-optimal room [02:18]
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mircea_popescu you mic electric guitars ?! [02:19]
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ThickAsThieves not lately but of course [02:19]
mircea_popescu uh. why ?! [02:19]
ThickAsThieves why not? [02:19]
mircea_popescu because... they are... electric ? [02:19]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:19]
ThickAsThieves you mic the amp [02:19]
mircea_popescu you already got their signal, what's the mic going to do ? [02:19]
ThickAsThieves the speakers [02:19]
mircea_popescu but [02:19]
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mod6 [02:20]
ThickAsThieves because if i just record the line, then i must use digital effects and overdrive etc [02:20]
ThickAsThieves it's not the same [02:20]
ThickAsThieves not bad [02:20]
ThickAsThieves but not the same [02:20]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu the speakers color the sound specifically depending on brand model, and guitar players want that . [02:20]
kakobrekla cause they are herps. [02:20]
ThickAsThieves yes i use a tube amp [02:20]
ThickAsThieves i also have one tube mic and one tube preamp [02:21]
ThickAsThieves among others [02:21]
ThickAsThieves this thing is great [02:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla so the amps do not have a jack into which you can plug your speakers or mixing table or anything else ? [02:22]
* nanotube is now known as bitcoin [02:23]
mircea_popescu i have a better idea : MIC THE SPEAKERS TWICE [02:23]
ThickAsThieves actuallu [02:23]
lampelina Lee- ll lnostdal lolstate LorenzoMoney Luke-Jr [02:23]
kakobrekla amps and speakers are usually joined for guitars afaik. [02:23]
* bitcoin is now known as nanotube [02:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 lol [02:23]
ThickAsThieves some guys mic the mix out of the monitors [02:23]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so basically this "industry" is not so unlike bitcoin biznis industry [02:24]
mircea_popescu aesthetically driven technologies [02:24]
ThickAsThieves somewhat [02:24]
mod6 ;) [02:24]
ThickAsThieves this is partly why i tried (and failed) to get stan interested in designing gear [02:24]
ThickAsThieves he'd probably rape the scene [02:24]
mircea_popescu just the offense this discussion brings to any serious ee may have him change his mind. [02:25]
ThickAsThieves people have like 1000-post-long threads about digital converter chips [02:25]
ThickAsThieves about noise from cabling [02:25]
ThickAsThieves etc [02:25]
ThickAsThieves they cream over vintage stuff because new shit is all crap [02:26]
ThickAsThieves hell, they cream over plugins that emulate vintage gear [02:26]
benkay dem vacuum tubes [02:26]
mod6 <+ThickAsThieves> hell, they cream over plugins that emulate vintage gear << haha [02:27]
kakobrekla ThickAsThieves a lot of that is bullshit, a lot of it isnt. [02:27]
ThickAsThieves you laugh but it's nig money [02:27]
ThickAsThieves big* [02:27]
ThickAsThieves hehe [02:27]
ThickAsThieves nig too though [02:27]
mod6 hahah [02:27]
ThickAsThieves ive easily got $10k in plugins [02:28]
ThickAsThieves like bitcoin, it's also a vast learning space [02:28]
ThickAsThieves it was the object of my obsession til i found you guys [02:29]
kakobrekla and now you are also done with btc finance? [02:29]
ThickAsThieves and til i invented investment banking ;) [02:29]
kakobrekla (taken from your blog) [02:29]
ThickAsThieves yes [02:29]
ThickAsThieves i still trade some [02:30]
mircea_popescu lol [02:30]
ThickAsThieves but moving back to music [02:30]
mircea_popescu well, let's hope music gets regulated in the us then [02:30]
mircea_popescu just for my own personal lulzfest. [02:30]
ThickAsThieves lol [02:30]
ThickAsThieves i did a whole floor plan for my space, i'll probly start some blog posts on the efforts after Amsterdam [02:31]
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ThickAsThieves for asciilifeform: this guy makes a killing selling kits (or assemblies) of a mic preamp that mimics a very popular more expensive one [02:35]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves [02:36]
fluffypony I'm still confuzzled [02:36]
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fluffypony it's a recording studio but not for bands? [02:36]
ThickAsThieves his "secret sauce" is that he uses his on opamp design [02:36]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony he's probably just trying to record his wife snoring [02:36]
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fluffypony lol [02:37]
ThickAsThieves correct fluffy, my recent years were focused on making "rap beats" [02:37]
fluffypony step into my parlour, said the spider to the fly [02:37]
ThickAsThieves and recording local rappers [02:37]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: that's helluva interesting, way out of my field of knowledge [02:37]
ThickAsThieves this may be still on the table, but I'm currently researching the video game music industry [02:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but basically, any "artist" is just called "a band" in my admittedly living in the past head. [02:38]
ThickAsThieves i did a few songs for a garage game [02:38]
fluffypony but based on some trivial readings I believe the major aim is authenticity - what goes on to the master (digital or otherwise) must be as close to reality as possible, let post-processing be done in playback [02:38]
mircea_popescu fluffypony there's not really such a thing as "authentic" sound. [02:38]
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ThickAsThieves it all depends what youre going for [02:39]
mircea_popescu sound is air vibration. unless you package the air along with the signal, your digital thing'll be just a construction. [02:39]
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jurov ThickAsThieves: at least you have proper prng, just hook a mic to that hybrid heater exhaust [02:39]
ThickAsThieves i actually had an idea about that [02:39]
fluffypony lol [02:39]
ThickAsThieves the most recent almbum i was working on, [02:39]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: for real, audiophile stuff is way over my head anyway [02:39]
ThickAsThieves was to have 2 mixes [02:39]
ThickAsThieves one for open air, and one for headphones [02:40]
ThickAsThieves where i would specify the headphones used [02:40]
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ThickAsThieves which got me to wondering why we dont see "ipod" mixes [02:40]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is a good thing to do, but not for the direct reason. for the marketing meta-reason instead : [02:40]
mircea_popescu it'll keep the fans endlessly occupied with a fun debate [02:40]
ThickAsThieves right [02:40]
mircea_popescu which will mean they will never have awkward silences discussing your shit [02:40]
mircea_popescu which will mean that's all they'll want to talk about. [02:40]
mircea_popescu win. [02:41]
ThickAsThieves it was very integreated with marketing of the album [02:41]
ThickAsThieves it was called Headphone Music [02:41]
ThickAsThieves hehe [02:41]
ThickAsThieves i'm exploring my next steps via research and planning [02:41]
ThickAsThieves i have more twisty ideas like that about having a music business [02:42]
ThickAsThieves it's pretty much necessary [02:42]
ThickAsThieves to have any hope of profit [02:42]
ThickAsThieves hence having an eye on video games over rap beats [02:42]
ThickAsThieves the market is thriving and exists [02:42]
ThickAsThieves whereas rap producers mostly spend money [02:42]
mircea_popescu you won't make money from making sound any more than a girl will make money taking selfies. [02:43]
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ThickAsThieves well when you start doing soundtracks there is other related work [02:44]
ThickAsThieves sfx, voice recording/acting [02:45]
mircea_popescu the (imo incredibly cool) voice acting including in present eulora was... a freebie. [02:45]
ThickAsThieves sure, and i intend to offer some freebies initially [02:45]
mircea_popescu so does everyone else. perpetually. [02:46]
mircea_popescu see hansen [02:46]
ThickAsThieves yes, but not all companies are interested in free [02:46]
ThickAsThieves and not all freebie offerers stay that way [02:46]
ThickAsThieves nor need to [02:46]
ThickAsThieves i have some thoughts i'm fleshing out to address that as well [02:47]
mircea_popescu you can argue this with me till either of us get bored. point remains : this isn't a business, it's a hobby. [02:47]
ThickAsThieves you think a audio production company is a unicorn? [02:48]
mircea_popescu this market is deader than disco, you might as well build a time machine to go back to 1982 to buy buffett's textile business. [02:49]
mircea_popescu for great victory! [02:49]
ThickAsThieves (please note that i havent necessarily commited to treating this as more than a hobby, that's why i'm exploring it on paper first) [02:49]
ThickAsThieves i havent convinced myself yet either [02:49]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:49]
ThickAsThieves but as i work i am at leats finding angles [02:50]
mircea_popescu there's no angle to be found to go around the simple fact that nobody is willing to pay to listen to some music. [02:50]
mircea_popescu they'd rather expect you to pay them [02:50]
ThickAsThieves i dont disagree, but you also think video game company wouldnt pay to have a dedicate audio artist or team on their project? [02:51]
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jurov ThickAsThieves: rather sell amps with surreptitiously embedded miners [02:51]
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ThickAsThieves video game industry is getting to be bigger than movie industry isnt it? [02:52]
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mircea_popescu rift cost 50mn and has yet to make 20. [02:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03199598 = 0.32 BTC [+] [02:53]
BingoBoingo Video games and Movies are big industries in different ways. [02:53]
mircea_popescu chetty sage pix : [02:53]
ThickAsThieves yet rift still paid for its music [02:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves surely. and it has great music, too. [02:54]
ThickAsThieves and there is a vast ocean of game types and sizes out there [02:54]
mircea_popescu none of them willing to pay you a living wage, but all of them happy to have you on board. [02:54]
ThickAsThieves hell i could be the king if iphone app music or some shit [02:54]
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mircea_popescu be wary of lines of work in which there are stars. [02:55]
mircea_popescu that's the clear proof that the thing is run as a lottery, and most everyone involved pays to participate. [02:55]
ThickAsThieves i dont think that video game music is very starstruck [02:55]
ThickAsThieves they mostly go unappreciated [02:55]
mircea_popescu you went to iphone kindgom. [02:55]
ThickAsThieves even teh FF series, probablty the most popular soundtracks, i bet less than 10% of buyers could name 1 composer [02:56]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: You mean Uematsu? [02:56]
mircea_popescu haha [02:57]
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ThickAsThieves dick [02:57]
ThickAsThieves :) [02:57]
BingoBoingo Well, it's like the one composer for nearly all the games. [02:57]
ThickAsThieves mostly this is in contrast to rap beat production, it is all about the stars [02:57]
ThickAsThieves and i have very little hope of profit in that area [02:58]
mircea_popescu sorta like how hans zimmer does like 80% of movie soundtracks that are any good. [02:58]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if i were to wager a guess, rap beats is a crystal ball thing. [02:58]
mircea_popescu ie, if you suck a major rap artist's cock (the mage) and he deigns to call you his crystal ball, [02:58]
mircea_popescu then you can make a killing selling to the wananbes [02:58]
ThickAsThieves these days you have to pretty much hand over a finished song that just needs to rap verses [02:59]
ThickAsThieves it's ugly [02:59]
mircea_popescu exactly how amps and shit are sold to the masses. [02:59]
mircea_popescu course that can change within five minutes, leaving you without your living. [02:59]
BingoBoingo ^ [02:59]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, zimmer appreciation moment. [03:00]
mircea_popescu [03:00]
ozbot True Romance # You're so cool - Hans Zimmer - YouTube [03:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 126 @ 0.45160014 = 56.9016 BTC [-] {14} [03:00]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology [03:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0334501 = 0.3345 BTC [-] [03:01]
ThickAsThieves funny that same idea occurred to me recently [03:01]
mircea_popescu and thjat's just oiff the top of my head [03:01]
benkay gon' need some more whores. [03:01]
ThickAsThieves like a daily news [03:01]
pankkake hans zimmer and lisa gerrard! [03:01]
pankkake and bear mccreary must be doing 80% of tv series [03:02]
mircea_popescu benkay funny how bait died. those pics really sucked too [03:02]
ThickAsThieves meanwhile i think my A/C now died [03:02]
BingoBoingo Klye ever come back with his pictures? [03:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, i think he may be more than a few tweaks and turns away from an actual workable harem. [03:03]
BingoBoingo Yeah, strikes me as to young and unpracticed. [03:03]
mircea_popescu well, he's ambitious which is good, and has stuck around for a while, which is also good. [03:04]
BingoBoingo Indeed. Seems like he also gave up on mining which is good [03:04]
mircea_popescu and while i suspect he's not necessarily willing to openly admit as much, he prolly got my point. [03:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7558 @ 0.00085379 = 6.4529 BTC [-] {2} [03:04]
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BingoBoingo It seems so [03:04]
benkay .bait [03:05]
ozbot [03:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7942 @ 0.0008508 = 6.7571 BTC [-] {2} [03:05]
benkay prrrrrrty vanilla. [03:05]
mircea_popescu it's such a weird artefact of times long gone, to see women wearing panties... [03:06]
benkay until you've got the girls showing up with other girls you can't really call it a harem. [03:06]
mircea_popescu ;;tslb [03:07]
gribble Time since last block: 23 seconds [03:07]
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mircea_popescu [03:11]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Nobody hires anymore. It's ... [03:11]
mircea_popescu more serious than you think : hiring is a myth! [03:11]
ThickAsThieves in a few years everyone will just be their own business [03:12]
ThickAsThieves and the the employers will be clients [03:12]
ThickAsThieves all the* [03:12]
mircea_popescu if this hasn't already happened a few years back [03:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 6300 @ 0.0109775 = 69.1583 BTC [-] [03:16]
mircea_popescu !up drew [03:17]
assbot Voicing drew for 30 minutes. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu like 11bn diff by june [03:19]
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benkay in a few years everyone will just be their own business << why do you think i do what i do?! [03:20]
mircea_popescu << check it out, twitter campaign has results. [03:20]
ozbot Twitter / _mculp: @mircea_popescu @beautyon_ ... [03:20]
mike_c at least the idiff's are actually in play this quarter. nice to see. [03:20]
benkay how's the arb look idiff vs bitbet? [03:21]
mike_c don't see much on bitbet to short diff for june [03:22]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 8500 @ 0.01099853 = 93.4875 BTC [+] {2} [03:23]
mircea_popescu benkay iirc there was a 14bn on 14th of july [03:23]
mircea_popescu [03:23]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day [03:23]
mircea_popescu 14.07, heavy yes [03:23]
benkay is there any field-leading work on option/parimutuel parity? [03:23]
mircea_popescu hey mike_c how about a bot that gives odds and whatnot for bitbet links ? [03:23]
mircea_popescu benkay not so far. [03:24]
mike_c that's a good idea [03:24]
mircea_popescu 8:28 btc for the july thing. [03:24]
mike_c we need more bots in here [03:24]
mircea_popescu lol [03:24]
benkay [03:24]
mircea_popescu what we need is a better ozbot. like, providing a read of bitbet bets, and better baits [03:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06967978 = 1.3936 BTC [-] {7} [03:26]
BingoBoingo What about that Periscope idea that does upskirts and whatever? [03:26]
mircea_popescu soi the x.idiff expire 18th of june, and trading around 11bn atm [03:26]
mircea_popescu the bitbet is for 14th july, heavy towards >14bn [03:26]
mircea_popescu it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash [03:26]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo maybe so [03:26]
mircea_popescu .d [03:28]
ozbot 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 916 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.8962% in 5d 20h 36m 10s [03:28]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 8 * 1.07 * 1.15 ^ 2 [03:28]
gribble Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. [03:28]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 8 * 1.07 * 1.15 ** 2 [03:28]
gribble 11.3206 [03:28]
mircea_popescu seems rational actually [03:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Control code is UP! or DOWN! [03:29]
mircea_popescu who ran ozbot again ? was it scrat ? [03:30]
mircea_popescu ;;seen scrat [03:30]
gribble scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: im a fat cock [03:30]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash /// afaik ASICminer has yet to release the hounds [03:30]
mircea_popescu !up Jezzz [03:31]
assbot Voicing Jezzz for 30 minutes. [03:31]
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Jezzz thx [03:31]
mircea_popescu you gotta be id' with gribble, in assbot's wot to self-voice yourself. [03:31]
Jezzz ozbot is mine [03:31]
mircea_popescu oh it is ? [03:31]
Jezzz /whois ozbot [03:31]
Jezzz ^ [03:31]
mircea_popescu say, how hard would it be to make it look for bet pool on bitbets ? [03:31]
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mircea_popescu !up DrewHorne [03:32]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot Jezzz [03:32]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jezzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Mar 2 23:47:44 2012 [03:32]
DrewHorne hey guys [03:32]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Jezzz 1 ozbot [03:32]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded. [03:32]
mircea_popescu there. now you can id with gribble, and then pm assbot !up [03:32]
Jezzz thx [03:32]
DrewHorne thickasthieves, how are you [03:32]
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Jezzz mircea_popescu: not hard [03:32]
benkay DrewHorne: who are you? [03:32]
mircea_popescu Jezzz so mind doing it ? [03:33]
Jezzz i'd just need to take a look at the bitbets api [03:33]
mircea_popescu also, where does .bait pull the pix from ? [03:33]
Jezzz have a link handy? [03:33]
mircea_popescu yes there's a json one sec [03:33]
mike_c Jezzz: bitbet provides json with all the bet information. just add ?json to end of bet url. [03:33]
mircea_popescu ^ there [03:33]
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BingoBoingo ;;rate Jezzz 1 .bait [03:33]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded. [03:33]
DrewHorne im coming from the investments forum, I have a very solid business plan that I am looking for investment on, and after speaking with ThickAsThieves he said that the best way to go about vetting my idea in the bitcoin space was to bring it here [03:34]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne ok, shoot. [03:34]
Jezzz mircea_popescu: how do you imagine the bitbet interaction working? [03:34]
mircea_popescu [03:35]
mircea_popescu BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes, 30 btc on no, 55 days left. [03:35]
mircea_popescu that'd be the bare bones. [03:35]
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mircea_popescu BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight). [03:35]
mircea_popescu for a whole shebang [03:35]
DrewHorne basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, especially since it is over a 5 year period. I am very much of the opinion however that there are forward thinking and open minded investors of all sorts in the bitcoin space [03:35]
mircea_popescu i'd rather have the later. [03:35]
ThickAsThieves Couldn't kako also dynamically create the title to be that? [03:36]
Jezzz surely [03:36]
mike_c you'll have to add up all the bets yourself because kako said so :) [03:36]
Jezzz also, if you've got to provide the entire link, not sure that's a real handy shortcut [03:36]
benkay 677 is the unique id, Jezzz mircea_popescu [03:36]
ThickAsThieves it should be kako's penance for his affiliate scam [03:36]
Jezzz but if everyone wants it, i'll code it up [03:36]
benkay [03:36]
mircea_popescu yes that works [03:37]
benkay mircea_popescu wants it, Jezzz [03:37]
DrewHorne also some parts of the strategy are confidential, and would only be on the table for discussion after signing a mutual NDA and mutually confirming our identities [03:37]
Jezzz how about .bitbet 677 [03:37]
Jezzz or similar [03:37]
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benkay sounds good! [03:37]
benkay !up Ziggy9263 [03:37]
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mircea_popescu Jezzz i wouldn't know wtf the bitbet 677 is off my head [03:37]
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Jezzz hm [03:37]
mircea_popescu i tend to just link a biutbet, then i find myuself having to paste data [03:37]
Jezzz lemme see if there's an easy way to do like a dynamic search [03:37]
DrewHorne BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years [03:37]
ThickAsThieves Drew if any of the secrets you keep are require dknowledge to vet your plan, then we cant help you [03:37]
mircea_popescu alternatively, kako could indeed change the title. [03:37]
Jezzz like .bitbet bastille [03:37]
Jezzz or similar [03:37]
mike_c you already grabbing URLs, should be easy to regex bitbet urls and do something different, no? [03:38]
mircea_popescu im not sure that'd be useful tbh [03:38]
Jezzz mike_c: yep [03:38]
ThickAsThieves also, if you lead with your hands out, that doesnt help [03:38]
mircea_popescu basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, << so that's the end of the discussion. [03:38]
* Jezzz shoos DrewHorne to #fiat-assets [03:38]
DrewHorne this is true, hence I am in a bit of a paradox here. [03:38]
DrewHorne ill check it out jezzz thanks [03:38]
ThickAsThieves paradox isnt the right word [03:39]
Jezzz joking DrewHorne [03:39]
mircea_popescu the paradox is entirely of your own making. [03:39]
mircea_popescu you're in the barber shop explaining you want clothes made. [03:39]
DrewHorne is that a real freenode lol jezzz [03:39]
mircea_popescu how is this a paradox ? [03:39]
ThickAsThieves what you are is an opportunist [03:39]
mircea_popescu BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years << this should go in my list of "stupid things one should never say" [03:40]
ThickAsThieves you are more excited to share what you want from people, than what you have to offer them [03:40]
ThickAsThieves maybe he watches too much Shark Tank [03:40]
ThickAsThieves I think they lead with the ask [03:40]
DrewHorne was i not sharing both equally by simultaneously sharing what I want and how it would benefit them? [03:40]
mircea_popescu upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change. [03:40]
DrewHorne and i actually don't watch any TV really [03:41]
DrewHorne :) [03:41]
Jezzz [03:41]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day [03:41]
mircea_popescu it's bitbet. kakobrekla can we make individual bet titles read like "BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight)" instead of just bet title as is now ? [03:41]
Jezzz but I bet ozbot does it before bitbet does :) [03:41]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.// hey that was my point! [03:41]
Jezzz indeed ThickAsThieves [03:42]
mircea_popescu i dunno about that hehe. we've had rapid deployment b4 [03:42]
* ThickAsThieves gets all crumbles, no cookies [03:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no credit for you!!1 :D [03:42]
mircea_popescu !jd mpif [03:42]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.01849826 BTC; +0.28271040 BTC (+0.1727%) since last check 22h 56m 7s ago. [03:42]
Jezzz mircea_popescu: i'm almost done, they better hurry :) [03:42]
mircea_popescu lol kk [03:42]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.001727 ** 365 [03:43]
gribble 1.87725633448 [03:43]
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kakobrekla erroneous command issued [03:44]
kakobrekla what no do you want me to do it or ? [03:45]
kakobrekla now* [03:45]
Jezzz if you are, i'll stop [03:45]
DrewHorne ThickAsThieves - so if I were able to discuss ~90% of my business plan here, but it involved fiat currency, would this not be a proper place to vet the plan? [03:45]
kakobrekla i am, as in exist, i havent started make the change yet. [03:45]
Jezzz no sense in us both doing it [03:45]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you prolly should [03:45]
mircea_popescu better to have informative titles for all uses [03:46]
Jezzz perfect [03:46]
mircea_popescu than just a bypass hack in chan bot and nowhere else [03:46]
kakobrekla no to perfect! [03:46]
* Jezzz goes back to his other project :) [03:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0690709 = 2.0721 BTC [-] {7} [03:46]
kakobrekla not* [03:46]
mircea_popescu Jezzz sorry :) [03:46]
kakobrekla fuck [03:46]
Jezzz no worries at all [03:46]
kakobrekla not so perfect i meant. [03:46]
kakobrekla but yeah, carry on. [03:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla your spelling and keyboarding is perfect [03:46]
ThickAsThieves DrewHorne, either share or dont share, youre worrying about the drapes for a house you dont own yet [03:46]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne if you want to discuss some business plan, discuss some business plan [03:47]
mircea_popescu you were discussing a financial plan, [03:47]
mircea_popescu and one denominated in the wrong symbol. [03:47]
mircea_popescu actually Jezzz : how about better .bait! [03:48]
Jezzz heh [03:48]
mircea_popescu use naked in public or something, those retouched soft pronz are painful [03:48]
Jezzz if you have another tumblr source you'd like me to add to the randomization, I can do that [03:48]
Jezzz .bait [03:48]
mircea_popescu lessee [03:48]
ozbot [03:48]
Jezzz lol, case in point I guess [03:49]
ThickAsThieves maybe exlude victorias secret porn? [03:49]
mircea_popescu [03:49]
Jezzz dunno if I have time to build ozbot a porn analyzation engine [03:49]
ozbot Exposed In Public [03:49]
Jezzz :) [03:49]
mircea_popescu lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is! [03:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085596 = 3.7662 BTC [+] [03:50]
mircea_popescu "s.mpoe rises on news of better pronz in -assets" [03:50]
mike_c yeah, here's your better pronz.. [03:51]
ThickAsThieves "Coinbase announced that it acquired Kippt, a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to store and sort online media." [03:51]
mircea_popescu 19 bn ? [03:51]
Jezzz mike_c: notice that too :P [03:51]
mircea_popescu mike_c at least she's naked! [03:51]
mike_c you can't unsee it [03:51]
ThickAsThieves no $ amount mentioned for the deal [03:52]
mircea_popescu who knew pronz is so difficult. [03:52]
mike_c ThickAsThieves: acqui-hire [03:52]
ThickAsThieves but the acquired folks are old ycombo buddies of coinbase's [03:52]
mircea_popescu "a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to grammer" [03:52]
mike_c grammar has two a's :D [03:53]
mircea_popescu who the fuck writes coinbase pr copy ? ahmed ? [03:53]
mike_c no startup ever goes bust in the us. always an acq-hire at the end.. [03:54]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [03:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c they used to, pre bubble. [03:54]
mike_c yeah, it's a new thing. so retarded. [03:55]
jurov graammer [03:55]
mircea_popescu is it dutch day yet ? [03:55]
benkay not retarded at all. better the team you know than the miscellaneous derps from the meetup you don't. [03:55]
mike_c Jezzz: can you make ozbot automatically correct people's spelling? [03:56]
mircea_popescu also can you make ozbot fix everyone's ipos ? [03:56]
mike_c benkay: not retarded to do it, retarded to have these "blah blah company got acquired" nonsense [03:56]
mike_c when they just hired the team and nobody got any money [03:56]
mike_c and they immediately shut the project down [03:56]
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mircea_popescu mike_c everyone thinks "it's good pr". somehow the fucking world is upside down. for instance, in a sane market, the shareholders of the acquirer would discount ther share [03:57]
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mircea_popescu but in backwards world, "having spent a lot of money" is a claim to fame, [03:57]
mircea_popescu preferable to "has deployed capital judiciously" [03:57]
mircea_popescu because everyone's living handout to handout, and the best way to be loved is to create the appearance of doling out handouts [03:57]
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mircea_popescu so dies another great business plan. [04:03]
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kakobrekla assbot - business plan killer ? [04:04]
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benkay !up Drew [04:08]
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Drew thanks [04:08]
Drew how do you send a private message on here [04:08]
Drew first experience with freenode [04:08]
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kakobrekla you type in this box, this is private, limited to earth residents [04:09]
mike_c except the aliens that read the log [04:10]
Drew perfect [04:10]
Drew i mean as far as if i rejoin and need to get !upped again [04:10]
Drew like how do i private message assbot to up me [04:10]
kakobrekla that the last step of many steps one must take before one takes the last step [04:10]
Drew hm [04:11]
Drew ok, well anyways ThickAsThieves here are a few rough points on my business for discussion [04:11]
Drew OK - I have successfully thrown a music festival in Atlanta called Lunar Massive. Our plan is to continue the brand in the most optimum direction and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons. - [04:12]
Drew 1. There is a media company (SFX entertainment) has stated that they are building a $1 billion empire in the Electronic Dance Music (EDM) space and have already spent $400 million buying different EDM festival related brands all over the world in the last year for anywhere from $15-$100 million. [04:12]
benkay /msg assbot yourmsg [04:12]
benkay or [04:12]
benkay /query assbot to start a conversation [04:12]
Drew 2. -out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials. -Electronic Music is indisputably the music of choice for the 18-34 year old demographic mentioned above -The “Electronic Music Culture”, as he calls it, is more digitally plugged in and more reliably marketed to in a modern sense than any other genre -The industry is currently very fragmented, and was much mor [04:12]
Drew thank you benkay, and thanks for !upping me [04:12]
benkay also, you can't up yourself, i don't think. [04:12]
benkay ;;gettrust assbot Drew [04:13]
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benkay wow [04:13]
benkay hop on that handle [04:13]
benkay ;;gettrust ben [04:13]
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benkay holy f [04:13]
Drew 3. -If he was able to unite much of the industry under one brand, he would effectively control the marketing ability to 18-34 year olds with disposable income, an ability worth a tremendous amount of money to corporations that are looking to market their product to this demographic (of which there are a vast amount) [04:13]
Drew 4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars. We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand. [04:13]
Drew 5. The majority of music festivals, including the ones he has purchased, have one large event per year. If they are quality events, they gain a raving loyal following who attends every year and their audience steadily increases. (Electric Forest, Ultra Music Festival, etc) [04:13]
Drew 6. Our brand will have 8-10 medium/large scale events (~10-15 thousand people, multiple stages, 20+ acts), each with 10 small scale events (500-2500 people, one stage, 2-3 acts) in the surrounding area. Each medium/large scale event will be annually, with the 10 surrounding small events spaced out throughout the year to lead up to each large scale event. [04:14]
Drew 7. The medium / large scale events will be spaced out around the year in each different location (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) so that the portion of the fanbase we develop into rabid fans can literally follow our brand around the country, like some music fans do. [04:14]
Drew 8. the effect created by our structure will be to, instead of having one event per year for promotion to be centered around, we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect [04:14]
Drew company* [04:14]
benkay literal perfect company? [04:15]
benkay town down the rhetoric e-boy. [04:15]
dub I lol that the US learned about "EDM" 30 years later and is liek 'jump on dis new shit' [04:15]
BingoBoingo So... How do you compete against incumbents like LiveNation et al [04:15]
benkay how do you plan to address the e-tard's demonstrated abhorrence of large brands? [04:17]
Drew i would say that those 2 questions are very much interrelated [04:19]
Drew i would say that livenation is automatically abhorred by the vast majority of not only e-tards but lovers of live music in general [04:19]
Drew while they own many venues and are able to throw larger shows and more frequently than most people, they don't directly throw any festivals or 5000+ person events that i am aware of [04:20]
Drew they sponsor many festivals but are not in direct ownership of any [04:20]
benkay yeah they keep their brand where nobody can see it. [04:20]
Drew wise of them [04:20]
benkay this sounds like "we;re going to be the grateful dead but ultra corporate and the kids will love it" [04:20]
Drew i would correct you though benkay, in that the abhorrence is mostly towards large corporation involvement in live music, not so much the brands themselves [04:21]
benkay brands. how even ams brand. [04:21]
benkay if your brand = your corporation, i don't see how that's addressing the concern. [04:22]
Drew electric daisy carnival is branching out their festival, and even though they recently formed a "creative partnership" with SFX (the corporate devil in their eyes) that is not taking away from their brand following [04:22]
benkay burning man has a 'too big' branding problem already. [04:22]
benkay anyways. [04:22]
benkay sounds like a fiat business. [04:22]
benkay zero reason for btc folk to get involved. [04:23]
Drew yup [04:23]
benkay !b 3 [04:23]
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Drew unless they were looking to put their eggs in multiple baskets rather than one [04:23]
benkay just index the s/p [04:23]
benkay call it a day [04:23]
benkay second market if gambling's your thing. [04:23]
benkay "fartups". [04:24]
benkay Drew: we're mostly interested in businesses that cryptocurrencies enable. [04:24]
*hanbot* hey are you still around? [04:24]
Drew understood [04:25]
benkay not much of that in this play. [04:25]
Drew I came here at the advice of ThickAsThieves, though I could have been more clear with him about the background of it [04:25]
*hanbot* i need to know if you did this: [04:25]
benkay ya well that gets you some amount of politeness. [04:25]
benkay not much more. [04:26]
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Drew I am looking on the forum for an investor though, and one thing you may be able to help me with (if you are willing) would be how to more readiliy pitch it to them [04:26]
benkay nah [04:26]
benkay go outside. meet people in the entertainment biz. raise money, do thing. [04:26]
Drew thats ok, politeness isn't something i came looking for. I have a thick skin and would prefer constructive brute criticism to beating around the bush senseless politeness any day [04:26]
benkay start small and demonstrate competence. [04:26]
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benkay business rolls downhill to the heavy objects. be a heavy object. [04:27]
benkay but you know [04:27]
benkay who are you? [04:27]
benkay have you done anything like this before? [04:27]
*hanbot* it was saturday at around 6pm our time. it would've been when we stopped here before going to dinner with naphex & co. [04:27]
benkay what experience do you have managing dopamine-depleted volunteers and arbitrating rape accusations on the fly? [04:27]
Drew we just successfully threw a music festival in atlanta with some pretty star studded acts [04:28]
Drew the response was that it was the 3rd best electronic music event held in atlanta to date [04:28]
benkay i don't really care [04:28]
Drew with the exception of tomorrowworld and counterpoint, 2 multi-day festivals with 100x the budget [04:28]
benkay ya anyways [04:28]
BingoBoingo Honestly Drew you sound like a less floridly psychotic version of Dank on bitcointalk with this plan. [04:28]
benkay i'm out y'all [04:29]
benkay er wait maybe not [04:29]
Drew well i'm glad i come across as less psychotic at least [04:29]
*hanbot* i'm fairly convinced you did, esp since time fits a window when you'd've had acct access. alright, i'm going back to bed. if you see this and you actually didn't make that post, please wake me up cause it means someone somehow got access in which case suspicious as fuck time. [04:29]
Drew We actually have experience though, have accomplished some things already, and are looking to expand [04:29]
Drew and actually have a team with 50 years of experience in the market [04:30]
Drew i would hope that that would separate me from people such as dank [04:30]
benkay these are all claims as what require substantiation. [04:30]
benkay best way to substantiate claims about identity is...get in to the wot and get people vouching for you. [04:30]
*hanbot* anyway. nn#2. [04:31]
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benkay otherwise, dog. [04:31]
Drew get into the wot? [04:31]
benkay ;;gettrust Drew [04:31]
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benkay web of trust [04:31]
benkay ;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust [04:31]
gribble #bitcoin-otc web of trust: ; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: ; #bitcoin-otc: [04:31]
benkay ;;google bitcoin-otc beginners guide [04:31]
gribble Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: ; Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: ; bitcoin-otc wiki: [04:31]
benkay not much use if you're running a fiat biz and only care about your fiat connections, though. [04:32]
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benkay i can't trust you without it though. [04:32]
Drew understood [04:32]
Drew i would imagine that there are some btc connections that may decide to become a fiat connection any day though [04:32]
Drew i'd imagine that it happens both ways every day actually [04:32]
benkay he gets it. hey mikey! [04:33]
benkay anything else, Drew ? [04:33]
Duffer1 this you Drew? [04:33]
Drew yes duffer [04:34]
benkay you've got 4 minutes of voice left, Drew... [04:34]
Drew yeah benkay, it seems like the web of trust is where i need to head to [04:34]
Drew so what is the easiest way to accquire trust through that? or the most efficient rather [04:34]
benkay time. [04:34]
benkay repeated demonstrations of competence. [04:35]
benkay basically, other humans have to trust you. [04:35]
Drew so i will basically have to dig a hole and fill it back in again for the sole sake of demonstrating competence [04:35]
benkay nah [04:35]
benkay !up Drew [04:35]
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Drew what can i do that is productive towards my goal to gain that [04:35]
Drew thanks [04:35]
benkay depends on your skills [04:36]
benkay what you can be trusted to do [04:36]
benkay what you've *been* trusted to do [04:36]
BingoBoingo !up Drew [04:36]
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BingoBoingo Drew: If you lurk opportunities get offered rather frequently to do things for people. [04:36]
Drew such as? [04:37]
benkay thing is that you gotta lurk [04:37]
benkay and the opportunities are neither guaranteed nor lucrative. [04:37]
BingoBoingo It really depends. You can scroll up to the conversation about making ozbot better as an example. [04:37]
Drew seems like lucrative isnt the point [04:37]
benkay precisely. [04:37]
Drew trust would be the point [04:37]
BingoBoingo These things happen nearly every day. Maybe it takes a while for something to fit your skillset. [04:38]
benkay mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano [04:38]
benkay 'course, there's no cardano yet. [04:38]
BingoBoingo The point though is to continue demonstrating you aren't an idiot [04:38]
Drew also as much as i appreciate the bitcoin space, it is not my expertise [04:38]
benkay and also that you execute [04:38]
Drew im definitely not an idiot, but a good friend of mine is the bitcoin expert [04:38]
Drew and also my referral to this space [04:39]
benkay the opportunities in -assets are almost entirely bitcoin exclusive. [04:39]
benkay nubbins` by virtue of being here sometimes has landed printing jobs [04:39]
benkay various artists have been commissioned via this channel [04:39]
benkay but this is a bitcoin centric space. [04:39]
BingoBoingo Drew: Well the best time to start learning the space was 2010-2011. The next best time to start learning is today. [04:39]
BingoBoingo Or tomorrow [04:40]
Drew i feel that there should be a way to earn trust with this space in other ways than proving bitcoin competency [04:40]
Drew is there not/ [04:40]
benkay death to fiat fueled governments etc etc [04:40]
Drew ? [04:40]
benkay bitcoin competence is a baseline. [04:40]
BingoBoingo The way to learn though is more reading than doing, at least at first. [04:40]
asciilifeform would be interesting to define 'bitcoin competence' [04:40]
benkay ^^ [04:40]
benkay (referring to BingoBoingo) [04:40]
Drew where would be a good point to start, readingwise [04:40]
benkay trilema [04:41]
BingoBoingo benkay: I think asciilifeform Has a better point [04:41]
mod6 pff, how about 'how many satoshi in 1 BTC?' i see them get this wrong /constantly/ on twitter, drives me up a tree. [04:41]
BingoBoingo [04:41]
benkay yeah, that's a good one. [04:41]
mod6 if i had 1 satoshi for everytime they got it wrong, i'd have 1 BTC by now. [04:41]
asciilifeform e.g. does a fellow who read the bitcoind src, satoshi paper, understood mostly - but then pisses away his stash into chumpatrons, 'competence' ? [04:41]
benkay "doesn't bleed coins"? [04:42]
asciilifeform or, opposite scenario. [04:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I imagine they have half of it. Seaman vs. Able Seaman [04:42]
asciilifeform seaman vs. diesel mechanic [04:42]
benkay recent grad vs. support engineer [04:43]
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asciilifeform i suppose a definition is unnecessary - folks who have a poor enough grasp of the mechanics, of both varieties, will soon lose interest in btc and fade away [04:43]
Drew so if the bitcoin assets space is definitely almost entirely btc focused, would you say that the bitcointalk space is as well? I have had a couple of responses even on my posts that were almost entirely flame-ridden [04:44]
BingoBoingo What explains Taaki then? [04:44]
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BingoBoingo Bitcointalk is a wasteland, barren [04:44]
Drew do you not think that there are investors in that space that would be interested in fiat investments? [04:44]
benkay !t h rent [04:44]
Duffer1 idiots ya [04:44]
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asciilifeform one could argue that 'we' ought to still take an interest in these lost souls, if only to prevent them from ending as fuel, stoking chumpatron [04:44]
benkay rent has fleeced a bunch, Drew [04:44]
BingoBoingo There probably are some. Not many people take anything on Bitcointalk seriously [04:44]
asciilifeform (chumpatron exhaust stinks) [04:45]
Drew really? i was referred to it as being one of the top 2000 most trafficked sites on the internet [04:45]
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Drew which is definitely quantity over quality, as is evident [04:45]
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benkay most investors who want to go long the USD do so with their USD investments. [04:45]
BingoBoingo Drew: Traffic /= Good [04:45]
Drew right [04:45]
Duffer1 you would have to be incredibly profitable to roi for investors who buy in BTC if your customers are paying in fiat [04:45]
benkay that's the catch. [04:45]
benkay being profitable in btc. [04:45]
Drew yea duffer definitely [04:46]
Drew so let me ask you guys something [04:46]
benkay shit gets complicated fast when you touch both positive and negative terminals. [04:46]
asciilifeform (i, for those who don't know, ended up here entirely by fortune. invited by mpoepr/hanbot) [04:46]
Drew in the next 5 years, what do you see the roi being on bitcoin? [04:46]
benkay bloody unknowable. [04:46]
BingoBoingo -25% to +1500% range [04:46]
benkay !b 3 [04:46]
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Drew my friend has told me that with a 1% widespread usage, with all the BTC mined they would be 1 million USD apiece? [04:46]
Drew something along those lines [04:47]
Drew relative to todays USD value [04:47]
Duffer1 [04:47]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment [04:47]
BingoBoingo Prolly take more than five years for that though [04:47]
kakobrekla asciilifeform its also fortunate you arrived :) [04:47]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: thank you [04:47]
Drew more than 5 years to reach that usage rate? or more than 5 years for all BTC to be mined? or both? [04:47]
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asciilifeform Drew: might be worth reading mp's essay on how retail ('coffee cup') usage is irrelevant [04:47]
mircea_popescu Drew what was attendance at this festival ? [04:48]
Drew ~4,000 people [04:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you still have functioning bees. our bees over here are having problems. [04:49]
asciilifeform one day, your country may export... bees. [04:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform or just as well not export thewm [04:50]
mircea_popescu Drew there seems to be no mention anywhere except on the promoters' fb pages. [04:50]
asciilifeform well, they're a renewable resource. [04:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In my region we seem to be having a strong rebound year for bees. [04:51]
Drew from just a google search or? [04:51]
Drew several articles come up just from the google search [04:51]
mircea_popescu linke me ? [04:52]
Drew [04:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: like the water engine imo << wtf is a water engine? old-school water mill? [04:52]
Drew with atlanta included (probably necessary) [04:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform romania also has an abundance of free ranged butterflies. [04:52]
mircea_popescu most industrialised countries do not, lepidopterae being some of the most sensitive to pollution [04:53]
asciilifeform we still have butterflies here, mostly migratory (mexico) [04:53]
asciilifeform afaik [04:53]
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* asciilifeform not lepidopterae expert [04:53]
mircea_popescu Drew aha so nov 15, North Atlanta Trade Center, $40 a ticket. [04:53]
Drew yes, thats the one [04:54]
Drew they grew more expensive as the event approached but that was one of the early bird prices [04:54]
mircea_popescu any published material that includes your name in connection to this ? [04:54]
Drew probably not honestly. I organized the entire team that threw it, met and introduced the 2 partners (EDMutual and Decibel), designed the initial business plan and found the investment. My name isnt on any of that though [04:56]
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Drew there is plenty of published material regarding EDMutual and Decibel though, and through them i can very readily prove my association with this project [04:56]
mircea_popescu well so you can appreciate our problem. if we were to try and evaluate your claim, we'd have no objective weay to distinguish you from a random guy that bought a ticket. [04:56]
mircea_popescu this is something you may wish to consider for the next thing you organise. [04:57]
Drew for a random guy who bought a ticket, i sure have some ambitious plans for this project ;) [04:57]
Drew i see what you mean though [04:57]
mircea_popescu which brings us to the next step, which is the wot, whose purpose is exactly that. [04:57]
mircea_popescu Our plan is to continue the brand > you mean "lunar massive" ? [04:58]
mircea_popescu "in the most optimum direction" unless you're mel, optimum is a superlative for you. it takes no comparative. [04:58]
mircea_popescu "and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons" > can you name such a brand that was acquired ? when, by whom, how much ? [04:59]
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RyanKinder Hello. :) [05:00]
mircea_popescu hi [05:00]
Drew absolutely [05:01]
Drew i can name several [05:01]
Drew one moment [05:01]
mircea_popescu [05:01]
ozbot Observations of an Internet Middleman | Beyond Bandwidth [05:01]
mircea_popescu level 3 blowing the omerta. [05:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 'millenials' link - wtf is a 'millenial' ? [05:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform chicks of fuck age. [05:02]
BingoBoingo ;;google the story of mel [05:02]
gribble The Story of Mel - ; The Story of Mel: ; The Story of Mel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [05:02]
asciilifeform article seems to suggest that one should not hire them [05:02]
BingoBoingo Drew: Mel and optimization ^^ [05:02]
asciilifeform (inadvertently) [05:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. [05:02]
Drew haha [05:02]
asciilifeform perhaps, unless one is trained zoologist. [05:03]
Duffer1 Mircea whatever happened with Mrs. Boring? [05:04]
Drew SFX entertainment (the company whose tastes we are building our brand to cater to) has made the following acquisitions in the last few years [05:04]
mircea_popescu "Much has been made of peering agreements. Many peering agreements were made between engineers in the early days of the Internet and consisted of not much more than a single page of text – if there was anything written down at all. They weren’t really contracts in the way you might consider a formal legal agreement." [05:04]
Drew -Disco Donnie Presents - $50,000,000 - 100% ownership [05:04]
mircea_popescu this is quite important btw. never forget that the internet exists more as a mpex contract than anything else. [05:04]
Drew -Electric Daisy Carnival - $50,000,000 - 50% ownership [05:05]
RyanKinder fluffypony: Just read your post on the vertcoin subreddit. Interesting stuff. [05:05]
Drew -ID&T (Tomorrowland / Tomorrowworld) - $100,000,000 - 75% ownership [05:05]
Drew -Dayglow - $35,000,000 - 100% ownership [05:05]
Drew -Beatport - $52,000,000 - 100% ownership [05:06]
Drew -MMG - 16,900,000 - 80% ownership [05:06]
Drew -Totem Onelove - $75,000,0000 - 100% ownership [05:06]
Drew -i-Motion - $12,000,000 - 70% ownership [05:06]
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mircea_popescu Drew the edc i knew was like the world's largest electronic stuff, but i had no idea some sfx thing had bought it [05:06]
mircea_popescu you got a link to that ? [05:06]
mircea_popescu (you mean the ny/orlando/pr etc one right ?) [05:07]
mircea_popescu seems to be still owned by insomniac [05:07]
mircea_popescu !up Drew [05:08]
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Drew one moment ill grab the link [05:08]
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BingoBoingo I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with US amateur radio licensing [05:10]
Drew whups my apologies that acquisition was by live nation rather than sfx [05:11]
Drew but live nation acquired 50% of insomniac for 50,000,000 [05:11]
Drew insomniac still owns the festival EDC, but live nation actually owns 50% of insomniac now [05:11]
mircea_popescu more like it. [05:11]
Drew the rest of those acquisitions were by SFX entertainment [05:11]
mircea_popescu you gotta do your homework drew. [05:11]
Drew i did my homework mircea, sorry i missed one of the problems [05:11]
mircea_popescu generally speaking the prospective investor will run into one of these, and just drop the thing silently. [05:12]
mircea_popescu also generally speaking, this sort of thing we're doing here is paid on retainer, and by the hour. [05:12]
mircea_popescu but moving on : [05:12]
Drew duly noted [05:13]
mircea_popescu "4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars." [05:13]
Drew and i do appreciate yalls patience and interest in this [05:13]
mircea_popescu that's laughable. how much are you worth, atm ? [05:14]
Drew not anywhere close to that [05:14]
mircea_popescu so then how do you know it's easily this or that ? [05:14]
Drew based on a pattern of purchases and what those companies mean to him through those purchases [05:15]
mircea_popescu branson can say easily a quarter billion. coming out of you it just sounds ... like a millenial. [05:15]
mircea_popescu yes yes. [05:15]
mircea_popescu 8-10 medium/large scale events << this is where you show the demographics of the area. [05:15]
mircea_popescu what about georgia can support 10 medium/large scale events ? [05:15]
Drew his first acquisition was disco donnie presents....a brand known for throwing terrible quality events [05:16]
Drew 10 medium / large scale events nationwide [05:16]
mircea_popescu wait. so you intend to spend 1 month per area ? [05:16]
Drew no [05:16]
mircea_popescu i mean you, personally. [05:16]
Drew each area will serve as its own hotspot [05:16]
mircea_popescu then how is this supposed to work ? is your team made out of 10 people ? [05:16]
Drew our team has 6-8 core members and 5-10 more that are involved to a lesser degree [05:17]
mircea_popescu (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) < the count is 8, and this stinks of poorly researcher. why denver and not seattle, for instance ? [05:17]
mircea_popescu why portland and not boston ? [05:17]
Drew i listed those cities primarily to illustrate a the way the shows would be spread out [05:18]
mircea_popescu but you're supposed to do the research. do the demographic work. KNOW why X and not Y. [05:19]
Drew to moreso basically describe the general idea [05:19]
mircea_popescu these aren't the result of throwing darts at a highschool map [05:19]
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mircea_popescu yes, i get the general idea that the us contains a number of cities. [05:19]
mircea_popescu hardly needs illustration. [05:19]
mircea_popescu moving on [05:19]
mircea_popescu "we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect company" [05:19]
mircea_popescu do you comprehend the problems of creating brand identity over 100 geographicallyh disparate items ? [05:20]
Drew such as? [05:21]
mircea_popescu o boy. [05:21]
Drew if the brand identity was rooted in quality live music of a few main genres, and the acts were tailored by city for maximum effect, what brand identity problems would you be mainly speaking of/ [05:21]
mircea_popescu see, a good chunk of mcdonald's corporate expenditure goes to making sure that mcdonalds hamburgers are the same in atlanta and lincoln [05:22]
mircea_popescu similarly with coca cola, and all large consumer product brands that use local anything [05:22]
mircea_popescu so, buying local buns makes things taste...local. [05:22]
Drew right [05:22]
mircea_popescu to have a brand, you have to manage localisation issues. [05:22]
mircea_popescu neither insulting the locals, nor allowing them to dilute you into nothing [05:23]
mircea_popescu this is an extremely complex, difficult and resource intensive endeavour. [05:23]
mircea_popescu you're setting yourself for this task of herding 100 cats, and THIS is why nobody else is doing it. [05:23]
Drew but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida [05:23]
mircea_popescu you see, "We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand." is no guarantee of success. [05:23]
mircea_popescu sometimes there are reasons nobody else is cooking by holding the stove on their head. [05:24]
mircea_popescu Drew perhaps. [05:24]
Drew im still following and agreeing with all of your logic [05:24]
mircea_popescu but your answers to this problem will have to be much much better than merely not appearing like you ever heard of it. [05:25]
Drew but sometimes there is no good reason why no one has figured out how to use a stove yet, if we go back in time to that point [05:25]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:25]
mircea_popescu dub nobody likes your dubstep anyways!!1 [05:25]
Drew you forgot to add 'one' after the 1 there :) [05:26]
Drew mircea i really do appreciate you taking your time to speak with me about this [05:26]
BingoBoingo Panera might be a good case in localization issues to read up on [05:27]
mircea_popescu Drew what's your formal education ? [05:27]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo about half the case studies in us business school are actually this or applications of it, if memory serves. [05:28]
Drew panera bread bingo? [05:28]
BingoBoingo Drew: Yes [05:28]
mircea_popescu perhaps excusable on the grounds that few higher level thinkers end up in busienss school [05:28]
Drew i went to a few years of aerospace engineering at Auburn University [05:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: So I've heard. I'm just thinking of a local venture that has run into the localization issue hard as it expanded [05:29]
mircea_popescu airbnb to this day doesn't realise that it's much more successful in canada than in the us, or why. [05:29]
Drew decided rapidly that a field with a glass ceiling of earnings proportional to achievement was not for me [05:29]
Drew decided to open my own business [05:29]
mircea_popescu Drew the problem of not having completed formal education is that you don't end up with a structured thinking process. this is not so bad for people like engineers, who don't really need it quite to the degree, but you're trying to go into business. [05:30]
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mircea_popescu of course, the us college hasn't been giving people thinking tools in 50 years, but anyway. [05:30]
Drew ^^^ [05:30]
Drew i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process [05:30]
Drew do you not think so/ [05:30]
mircea_popescu casual examination would indicate otherwise, but hey. you're a millenial aren't you ? got plenty of time. [05:31]
Drew well i'm glad there is hope for me yet [05:31]
Duffer1 you found your way here, that's no small thing [05:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, so run me through your expense structure. you need 1.25mn (exactly), which is to cover what ? [05:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: US amateur radio licensing << there is an exam, multiple choice, concerning basic physics and law (as it pertains to radio in usa). the questions, if i recall, are... published. just like the joke that is u.s. 'citizenship test.' [05:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know romanian citizenship requires you to know... official romanian history ? [05:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not surprised. [05:32]
mircea_popescu which differs in unexpected places from commonly accepted history, of course. [05:32]
asciilifeform naturally. [05:32]
Drew mircea honestly if you are willing i would love to shoot you over the complete financials to check out [05:33]
Drew i understand if you dont, but it would be much more effective than me trying to explain it all [05:33]
mircea_popescu why do you think that ? [05:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in it, do the dacians build rome? [05:33]
Drew why do i think that it would be more effective? [05:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not quite to the degree, but god help you if you seem to think there's no such thing as "thracians", as distinct from whatever sarmatian cloud [05:33]
mircea_popescu Drew yes [05:33]
asciilifeform lol! [05:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the words of romania's first 3rd republic president, "we come from the ducks that come from the trucks" [05:34]
Drew because it is spread out over a 5 year period, 20 pages of excel [05:34]
mircea_popescu [05:34]
ozbot Iliescu si engleza - YouTube [05:34]
mircea_popescu drew if you can't summarize it throw it out. [05:34]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'don't touch the mustache.' (どういたしまして) [05:36]
mircea_popescu lol [05:36]
mircea_popescu Dōitashimashite [05:36]
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asciilifeform ducks/trucks line wasn't there [05:39]
asciilifeform but it isn't hard to see how it could have been. [05:39]
mircea_popescu uh it must be [05:39]
ThickAsThieves [05:40]
ThickAsThieves !up Drew [05:41]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you want the license, visit a used book store, buy the question set, memorize, pony up the fee. at no point will you need to use brain. [05:41]
ThickAsThieves AltCoin Alert: Western Union Obtains Alternative Currency Exchange System Patent from USPTO [05:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dangit it's gone. somehow that clip got edited a little. [05:41]
asciilifeform lol [05:41]
mircea_popescu anyway, the guy explained romanian ethnogenesis in those terms. he meant dacians and thracians, not that that version'd have been any more sensible. [05:42]
asciilifeform that part seems obvious [05:42]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too. [05:42]
asciilifeform how can one use anything resembling a functioning computer without ignoring patents? [05:42]
mircea_popescu elephant in room. [05:43]
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asciilifeform obligatory spam: [05:43]
asciilifeform [05:43]
ozbot Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. [05:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I suppose that's what I'll have to do. [05:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you seen the earlier bit about the php/objective-c key mismatch issue ? [05:44]
asciilifeform yeah, somehow not surprised [05:44]
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mircea_popescu so you know, gotta have some mechanism to force people to not be retarded [05:46]
mircea_popescu [05:46]
ozbot Your Android phone viewed illegal porn. To unlock it, pay a $300 fine | Ars Technica [05:46]
mircea_popescu (malware story) [05:47]
mircea_popescu but sometiems one wonders how much of this malware serves a useful government function. [05:48]
asciilifeform 'untraceable payment mechanisms such as Paysafecard or uKash.' << spam-paypals still exist!? [05:48]
mircea_popescu oya [05:48]
mircea_popescu they change about every 2 years, which consequently is the experimental period of law enforcing [05:49]
mircea_popescu currently paysafecard is going up and ukash is going out [05:49]
asciilifeform wonder if they serve any purpose but... this. [05:49]
mircea_popescu coupla years ago ukash was just taking over from... i forgot who [05:49]
mircea_popescu egold ? [05:49]
asciilifeform and, who, exactly, keeps anything they cannot afford to lose, on a Pnohe? [05:51]
mircea_popescu people. [05:52]
mircea_popescu people keep "everything they have" in reach of the government, and i nreach of a woman they met two weeks ago while drunk, and so on. [05:52]
asciilifeform lol [05:52]
mircea_popescu people are poor, and while the little they own is still all they own, the security they can feasibly deploy is nil [05:52]
mircea_popescu think of it this way : most women alive today can not afford to enforce the privacy of a room to fuck in. [05:53]
mircea_popescu so they either do it in the bushes, with the constant risk of a stray dog taking a piss on the couple during, [05:53]
mircea_popescu or else they put up with whatever nonsensical demands expectations and assorted nonsense someone with a chicken coop available may wish to put forward. [05:53]
asciilifeform i suppose 'people' are also innocent of the concept of backup. [05:55]
mircea_popescu no, just, innocent of the resources to get a spare disk. [05:55]
mircea_popescu "It is likely that the success of LZW and its thousands of implementations, especially among small developers, caught Unisys unprepared. Otherwise, it would be difficult to understand how Unisys could first allow a very large number of small and big developers to use LZW for years, and then, after the establishment of various standards based on LZW, change its attitude." [05:55]
asciilifeform 'submarine.' [05:56]
mircea_popescu yeah, seriously, it is so very difficult to understand. couldn't have even predicted it, either. o.O [05:56]
asciilifeform (actual term of art!) [05:56]
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asciilifeform innocent of the resources to get a spare disk << india? zimbabwe? [05:57]
mircea_popescu the world over. [05:58]
asciilifeform yes, viet cong had to fill bamboo stalks with half-dead batteries to power a radio. but the average shaved ape today is drowning in cheap hardware. [05:59]
mircea_popescu so ? [05:59]
mircea_popescu unless it's on obamacare they can't afford it. [05:59]
asciilifeform so, missing ingredient is brain (or giving a damn) [05:59]
mircea_popescu missing ingredient is always brain. [06:00]
asciilifeform as a teenager, i was kept in lavish supply hardware-wise just from what nearby (us) office parks dumped. [06:00]
mircea_popescu this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy! [06:00]
asciilifeform and know quite a few others who feasted likewise. [06:00]
mircea_popescu but this is exceptional [06:01]
Drew sorry, had to grab a shower [06:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform frame the question better : you've not had any decent sleep in a week, you gotta make it in time to work cause else it's your ass. [06:02]
Drew the 1.25 million would, in summary, be used for the following over approximately 3 of the 5 years mentioned for the plan [06:02]
mircea_popescu and if you get fired you'll lose the apt and thus the deposit and thus homeless. [06:02]
mircea_popescu now tell me about getting spare drives. when ? with what ? [06:02]
mircea_popescu if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel. [06:02]
Drew talent buying, venue rentals, sound / lighting equipment, staffing, security, other event related costs [06:03]
asciilifeform lol, in wash. dc. you can see... hobos, with smartPnohes. [06:03]
Drew much of it on advertising and promotion materials and in general [06:03]
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Drew in all likelihood we won't need the whole 1.25 million but there is a cushion of about 300,000 built in [06:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform basically it boils down to, your sorting algorithm of evil not matching theirs. [06:04]
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punkman morning folks [06:04]
mircea_popescu Drew that was the shittiest summary in recorded history. try again. [06:04]
mircea_popescu punkman yo. [06:04]
mircea_popescu i [06:04]
mircea_popescu 'm like pavlov's dog over here punkman, i see your name i expect great links. [06:04]
punkman ;;google favela chic [06:05]
gribble FAVELA CHIC: ; Favela Chic - République - Paris, France | Yelp: ; Favela Chic, Paris - Restaurant Reviews - TripAdvisor: [06:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somewhat tangentially, i notice that your illustrative examples of the ragged and starving are always grlz. [06:05]
punkman google fails me [06:05]
asciilifeform this is sorta like using alley cat as illustration of the biology of felis silverstris [06:05]
asciilifeform *silvestris [06:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well that's my pov. i mostly care about, interact with and experience the world through womenz. [06:05]
Drew that made me laugh pretty hard i must say [06:06]
Drew lol one second [06:06]
asciilifeform life of the feral animal is hard, sure. [06:06]
punkman "Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills! And really big on Facebook. That’s Favela Chic." [06:06]
punkman "You lost everything, you have no money, you have no career, you have no health insurance, you’re not even sure where you live, you don’t have children, and you have no steady relationship or any set of dependable friends. And it’s hot. It’s a really cool place to be. " [06:06]
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asciilifeform obligatory: [06:07]
asciilifeform [06:07]
ozbot ClubOrlov: Dead Souls [06:07]
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mircea_popescu punkman favela if memory serves is the precarious squatting living arrangements most south america enjoys [06:07]
punkman yeah it is [06:07]
mircea_popescu flatron tv set in hole in the wall ruin sort of thing [06:07]
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TheNewDeal .d [06:12]
ozbot 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 898 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.0148% in 5d 17h 30m 56s [06:12]
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* mircea_popescu wonders wtf TheNewDeal is. then has dejavu moment. then remembers it's testing123. [06:15]
mircea_popescu what's in a name! [06:15]
TheNewDeal :D [06:15]
TheNewDeal are you saying testing123 is more memorable? [06:15]
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mike_c ;;bc,stats [06:16]
gribble Current Blocks: 299485 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8647989715.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.08809 [06:16]
mike_c gribble and oz differ by a whole day on diff change [06:16]
mike_c yet same estimated change [06:16]
mike_c somebody has a bug. [06:16]
mircea_popescu "I really would like you to contrast that with what you have to do with HTML on the Internet. " asciilifeform re your article, god help us if we end up executing code off the data [06:17]
mircea_popescu how in the shithells is this a good idea ?! [06:17]
TheNewDeal looks like gribble [06:17]
TheNewDeal bitcoinwisdom is 5.7 days at 11.6 % [06:17]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal no im just saying switching nicks is a very expensive operation for everyone else [06:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the same way that jumping out of an airplane can be a good idea. [06:17]
asciilifeform with the correct equipment. [06:17]
mircea_popescu let's have the equipment first [06:18]
mircea_popescu then i'll consider it [06:18]
asciilifeform that was sorta the point of the piece (and the whole fscking site...) [06:18]
mircea_popescu !up drew [06:18]
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mike_c ;;calc 898 / 6 / 24 [06:18]
gribble 6.23611111111 [06:18]
mike_c yeah, no way 4 days 16 hours [06:18]
mike_c is nanotube responsible for that? [06:19]
Drew gracias [06:19]
benkay why portland and not boston ? << generally there is only one reason to locate in portland and that is low-cost 'engineering' talent. [06:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform now as far as programmable gpus go, o boy would computer games love thids [06:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the horror with which nearly every reader (who wrote in) reacted to that piece, is indicative of the true depths of the hole we are in. [06:19]
mircea_popescu benkay i dunno, that's why the producers hire research depts yo uknow ? not my jobsworth :D [06:19]
TheNewDeal can i get a linky? [06:19]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal to ? [06:20]
TheNewDeal this ascii piece [06:20]
TheNewDeal ... re god help us if we end up executing code off the data [06:20]
asciilifeform [06:21]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [06:21]
mircea_popescu "Let the trolls try to collect danegeld from a hundred million consumers!" << this may be dangerous, in that putting too much weight on something "that will hold anything" never works. like you know, 19th century poliution and the ideas of "send fumes in the air, it can take anything" or "water will wash anyhing away" [06:21]
mircea_popescu maybe with too many incentives stacked up, they'll figure out a way to do it, and that'll be a horror worse than any other. [06:21]
TheNewDeal dead souls Club Orlov? [06:21]
mircea_popescu already working on it in the us to a distasteful degree. [06:21]
asciilifeform this is called 'heighten the contradictions' [06:21]
benkay but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida << the tastes and social mores differ wildly across the different regions. f'r instance, you'll have a mighty hard time displacing red cube in portland (but again don't ever do anything in this town) [06:21]
asciilifeform sorta like the earthquake machine. [06:22]
mircea_popescu works better from safe distance. [06:22]
asciilifeform yes. [06:22]
asciilifeform when the glass breaks. [06:22]
Drew Cost of Goods Sold Artists 463,350 Marketing 184,600 Production 92,300 Security 46,150 Ticket Fee 20,470 Venue 52,775 Other 0 Cost of Goods Sold 859,645 Gross Profit (Loss) 778,133 [06:22]
Drew this format doesnt transfer well, that was a test, brb [06:22]
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mircea_popescu Drew it's fine [06:23]
benkay i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process << hang out here and you might be so lucky as to have one beaten into you [06:23]
mircea_popescu can you believe, dear assets, that the ticket mafia gypped him for almost 40% of the rent of the venue ? [06:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4499555 = 0.8999 BTC [+] [06:24]
mircea_popescu land of the brave fucktarded. [06:24]
mod6 srsly, effed. [06:24]
Drew yup [06:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: works better from safe distance << not everybody gets the luxury of a safe distance. some folks have to make do with, e.g. - [06:24]
asciilifeform [06:24]
Drew one day i would like to see a bitcoin ticketing platform [06:24]
Drew free of ticket fees.... [06:24]
Drew *tear* [06:24]
mircea_popescu not so far off. [06:25]
Drew i know [06:25]
mircea_popescu anyway. this actually looks like a sane budget. who made it ? [06:25]
Drew looking forward to it [06:25]
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Drew one of my team members [06:25]
mircea_popescu ok. so this was for the lunar thing ? [06:26]
Drew yessir [06:26]
asciilifeform (that 'lance mine.' there's a vietnamese film, of a parade, 1970s, where merry cadets march around with... them. presumably spoils of the old war.) [06:26]
Drew 20 pages of sane financials like that [06:26]
Drew or yes ma'am [06:26]
mike_c asciilifeform: does the soldier survive? it's not a kamikaze thing is it? [06:26]
asciilifeform mike_c: exactly what you expect. [06:27]
Drew or whatever, internet anonymity reigns [06:27]
asciilifeform in comments to the parade film, people asked, 'why toilet plungers?!' [06:27]
benkay ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too. << bitcoin cares about patents today?! [06:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c the soldier *may* survive. [06:27]
mike_c ok. so the 'suicide' part is that you have to get within a pole's length of the tank :) [06:28]
mircea_popescu Drew alright. see, now you're sounding a lot less like dank. [06:28]
asciilifeform it's a shaped charge. so, your luck depends on the fragments flying, among other things. [06:28]
Drew thank you [06:28]
mike_c penetrate 6 inches of steel, must be quite a charge [06:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is all for me. see you ~guys~ in the morning. [06:28]
mircea_popescu the gals im seeing tonite. [06:28]
Drew mircea [06:29]
Drew thanks very much for your input, it was a pleasure meeting you [06:29]
Drew e- meeting you at least [06:29]
Drew i'll prolly be lurking around here trying to have a structured way of thinking beaten into me eventually [06:30]
benkay ;;gettrust Drew [06:30]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Drew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [06:30]
benkay start there. [06:30]
Drew ill start tomorrow [06:31]
benkay no sense rushing. [06:31]
Drew ill be back here for advice almost certainly [06:31]
Drew theres no time like the present [06:31]
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benkay [06:31]
benkay Drew: ^^ [06:31]
benkay ping me if you get into trouble. [06:31]
Drew saved [06:31]
Drew is it as easy as /ping benkay [06:31]
benkay don't register until you've blown it away and restored it from backup at least twice. [06:31]
benkay no ping necessary [06:31]
benkay well, you can't talk in here [06:31]
benkay /msg benkay yourmessage [06:32]
benkay or /query benkay for conversation [06:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012955 = 0.2591 BTC [+] [06:32]
benkay if i don't respond within fifteen minutes i'm offline. [06:32]
Drew does query open a private convo/ [06:32]
benkay yup [06:32]
Drew cool [06:32]
Drew thanks very much, ill save that and check it out tomorrow [06:32]
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mircea_popescu !up DrewHorne [14:25]
assbot Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes. [14:25]
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DrewHorne How are you fine gentlemen and ladies doing this morning [14:26]
mircea_popescu not so bad. [14:29]
mircea_popescu [14:29]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @izakaminska @Frances_Coppola ... [14:29]
mircea_popescu giving twitter a hard time [14:29]
jurov DrewHorne: fine, thanks. you're the festival organizer? [14:29]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: lol, I read that as "cautious renters" and I was like "how does this relate to people who rent?" [14:31]
mircea_popescu jurov answered your comment [14:32]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the socialist state in its final decomposition stages has identified the enemies of the people : savers and owners. [14:33]
mircea_popescu the burgeoisie, god damned them, keep making it impossible for the working man to find toilet paper in the store. [14:33]
mircea_popescu in spite of the government having clearly made a rule that there should be toilet paper! [14:33]
Apocalyptic that's quite accurate [14:34]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, venezuela is also a federal republic. only... 30ish years more advanced than the us [14:34]
mircea_popescu and well, minerally richer. [14:34]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, listen to this sad story : the mother of a friend, who has been a nurse all her life, 20+ years, and who is actually a very good nurse, and who's got a back injury from lifting people in wheelchair up to busses and so on, has been trying for the past 6 months to get a job. [14:36]
mircea_popescu because "the recession is over", yet people with valuable experience and qualifications are looking for work. this somehow makes sense. [14:36]
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mircea_popescu the best she could find was this deal where she took ~12 hours' worth of examinations, and they got her a thing for 3 hours / week. [14:37]
mircea_popescu "maybe they'll find more" [14:37]
mircea_popescu it pays minimum wage, and no benefits [14:37]
mircea_popescu and she's taxed on it. [14:37]
mircea_popescu currently, making ~12 dollars. a week. [14:37]
mircea_popescu couldn't pay for my fucking coffee. not all the coffee i drink in a week, either, just, one time. [14:38]
mircea_popescu this is probably also the fault of the rentiers and savers. [14:38]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay "Adding a picture" ? that article is kinda silly. [14:40]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:40]
fluffypony :/ [14:40]
fluffypony that makes me sad to hear [14:40]
mircea_popescu the curse of being born in the best country in the world, a few decades before it became the best country in the world. [14:40]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: if she speaks English, why doesn't she look at the TEFL stuff and similar? I have a friend in Cape Town who teaches English via Skype to foreigners, she doesn't have to speak a foreign language, just has to be able to speak English [14:41]
mircea_popescu well yes she speaks english, she was born in texas or something, i forget. [14:41]
mircea_popescu and you know, soime people want to do a certain thing. [14:42]
mircea_popescu now granted, if the thing they want to do is i dunno, watch tv, then one could say "how about you do this instead". [14:42]
mircea_popescu but nursing ffs ? [14:42]
mircea_popescu i don't think there ever existed or could ever exist a functioning society in which nursing jobs are to be discounted because too little demand and too many people wanting to do it. [14:43]
fluffypony LOL: [14:48]
mircea_popescu lol [14:49]
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mircea_popescu by the way, that's actually quite ancient chinese stuff. [14:50]
mircea_popescu "if the cake is tasty we should be together", prolly older than the wheel. [14:50]
mircea_popescu course, it used to be made by the girl in question, but hey. "if the cake is tasty, maybe we should come to this place more often" [14:50]
fluffypony lol [14:50]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: mpex drop? << yeah it like, plunged a few days ago. it actually does this, probably to mess with mike trying to understand the news impact. [14:52]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: how does it get executed << euro future, settles 15th of each month, can be delivered as euros on bitcoin central. [14:53]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne #bitcoin-assets on Freenode [14:54]
mircea_popescu ( port 8001 [14:55]
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mircea_popescu the magnificent assets have any suggestion as to what i should say to the redditard next ? [14:57]
mircea_popescu im running out of ideas. [14:57]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: tell him you have sekrit NSA dokumintz proving it [15:01]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah then he'll just ask me for them [15:02]
mircea_popescu this is how you acquire stalkers. [15:02]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less << someone should sometime do a comparative study of how noobs fare in here. [15:02]
mircea_popescu i tell you it's not my mood, that'd be like saying the girl was horny. no, no, it was in your approach, not in her horniness i tell you! he somehow, improbably, managed to whistle into the modem. [15:03]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you didn't get shot down ? i supported it, what did you think "fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business." meant ? [15:05]
fluffypony huh? I got shot down when I suggested that we get someone part-time to sift through logs and make an ongoing anthology? [15:07]
mircea_popescu you did ? [15:08]
mircea_popescu read the link you sent again! [15:08]
fluffypony "asciilifeform:fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?" [15:09]
fluffypony see! [15:09]
fluffypony shot down [15:09]
fluffypony :-P [15:09]
mircea_popescu but what did i say! [15:09]
fluffypony true, I somehow glossed over that comment [15:10]
fluffypony twice [15:10]
fluffypony I was too focused on food-chewers [15:10]
mircea_popescu well so in that case don't oppose what he said to me eh! [15:10]
fluffypony lol [15:10]
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fluffypony when I get some time I may actually go hunting for someone to do that [15:11]
fluffypony get them started from like 12 months ago in the logs [15:12]
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mircea_popescu i would propose going backwards actually. [15:12]
fluffypony interesting [15:12]
fluffypony won't they lack context if they do that? [15:12]
mircea_popescu they would be building context in the way of the noob, rather than i nthe way of the sacred cow. [15:12]
mircea_popescu this thing you're making, it's intended to satisfy the needs of noobs, right ? [15:13]
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mircea_popescu you're not trying tro get me to pay for access in order to shake my head [15:13]
fluffypony yes - to satisfy the noobs and if correctly tagged and annotated it's a searchable repository of information [15:14]
mircea_popescu cool. so then it should build context from present day through archeological remains, [15:14]
mircea_popescu it's speaking to contemporaries not to people long gone [15:14]
fluffypony like a historian [15:15]
fluffypony an historian [15:15]
fluffypony one of the two [15:15]
chetty just no libtard historical rewrites - pls [15:15]
mircea_popescu yeah. unlike a historian, it has the invaluable advantage that people present in the deepest strata of history are still around today, and they can say either "ah, that one point is fucking stupid, forget it" or the contrary. [15:15]
fluffypony yep [15:16]
mircea_popescu the lack of which is the worst problem of history, because you never quite know for sure just how important this particular bit of nonsense really is [15:16]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, this could be a phd thesis for a history student in a good uni. [15:17]
mircea_popescu i dunno that there could be a better one, should get magna. [15:17]
pankkake I wonder how history will work in the future. You used to have not enough data, now you have too much [15:17]
mircea_popescu yeah. [15:17]
mircea_popescu incidentally, if any of you is fucking a history major on the side... maybe it's time for her phd. [15:18]
mircea_popescu at any rate it'd be proper scholarship, rather than the current courtois-type nonsense. [15:20]
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fluffypony what's the rationale behind investors getting voting rights if they cumulatively own like 10% or 20% of a company? doesn't that seem redundant? [15:28]
mircea_popescu hm ? [15:29]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: getting pushback from 1 person who can't understand why we aren't giving VertPay investors voting rights [15:30]
fluffypony and I'm trying to understand why it's so important to them [15:30]
mircea_popescu voting rights are nonsense in bitcoin anyway. what the fuck are they going to do, get a confederatied majority and... what, oust you ? take over ? [15:31]
mircea_popescu voting rights made sense in the old days of geographically fixed agents and material means of production. that situation changed. [15:31]
fluffypony lol [15:31]
mircea_popescu immaterial means of production and geographically dispersed agents reduces the corporate voting to meaninglessness. not that it worked too well pre bitcoin, either. [15:32]
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mircea_popescu anyway, if you read the original thread of the sdice listing, the same sort of derpage was raised by the losers vocal there. amoing a pile of other "good and considered" reasons not to invest. [15:34]
mircea_popescu history has shown that their opinions weren't worth holding. [15:34]
chetty buying stock should indicate confidence in management, sell is lack of such - what better votes are there? [15:35]
fluffypony chetty: good point [15:35]
mircea_popescu chetty exactly. but in the old days of imperfect economy, people actually had to have a backchannel, and take over the tractor or whatever it was [15:36]
mircea_popescu because you couldn't afford to let a physical tractor go to waste, as a society. [15:36]
mircea_popescu these days, a website going to waste ? heh. [15:36]
pankkake I like the point where you'd have to trust other shareholder's opinions. I certainly wouldn't want that [15:36]
mircea_popescu any way you turn it voting shares are nonsensical. [15:37]
mircea_popescu at the very most tyhe management could solicit nonbinding opinions from holders, there's a mpex mechanism for doing this embedded in some listing agreements, [15:37]
mircea_popescu but it's not yet been used to date. [15:37]
mircea_popescu !up DrewHorne [15:37]
assbot Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes. [15:37]
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mircea_popescu DrewHorne im really not interested in carrying private conversations. we don't know each other, we have nothing private to discuss. [15:38]
DrewHorne thanks [15:38]
DrewHorne thats fine, it was my only option as a voiceless [15:38]
thestringpuller lol [15:38]
DrewHorne how do i check my trust with gribble? i saw that yall were checking me on it last night, that basically checks with gribble on the wot correct? [15:39]
thestringpuller /msg mircea_popescu i have naked pix of hot models [15:39]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller so do i :D [15:39]
fluffypony pankkake: yeah - to a large degree, investors don't *necessarily* have the knowledge to be in the space the business is operating in (otherwise they'd be in the space), so they're just proffering an opinion [15:39]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust DrewHorne [15:39]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask DrewHorne! Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user DrewHorne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [15:39]
pankkake ;;gettrust assbot DrewHorne [15:39]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask DrewHorne! Trust relationship from user assbot to user DrewHorne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [15:39]
DrewHorne so thats basically saying that i am now registered on the wot but i have 0 trust thus far [15:40]
DrewHorne ? [15:40]
mircea_popescu ;;ident DrewHorne [15:40]
gribble Nick 'DrewHorne', with hostmask 'DrewHorne!', is identified as user 'DrewHorne', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1ESdGLk9MR5mAghLAn5R3419tvmj2FvFMB [15:40]
thestringpuller well between assbot [15:40]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:40]
thestringpuller and yourself [15:40]
thestringpuller and mircea_popescu ' [15:40]
DrewHorne right [15:40]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller no he's actually 0. [15:40]
thestringpuller oh wow [15:40]
thestringpuller lol [15:40]
thestringpuller yea Rated since: NEVER [15:41]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne anyway, a good step forward, now people could rate you. [15:41]
thestringpuller damn i feel old [15:41]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that rated since is about my rating, not generally. [15:41]
DrewHorne good deal [15:41]
DrewHorne successful morning for someone not well versed in the bitcoin space, im a fast learner [15:41]
thestringpuller ah thx for clarifying mp [15:41]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust thestringpuller [15:41]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller! Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 5 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012 [15:41]
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mircea_popescu uh. [15:42]
mircea_popescu no, actually, i was wrong o.O [15:42]
mircea_popescu it's about you not our relationship. and also, your oldest rating seems to be from oct 17th [15:42]
mircea_popescu so either gribble actually keeps track of the oldest rating oyu ever got and someone modified their oct 15th rating [15:43]
mircea_popescu or else there's a bug there [15:43]
fluffypony you mean like someone forgot to * 1000 ? [15:43]
fluffypony :-P [15:43]
mircea_popescu prolly the former tbh :p [15:44]
pankkake it's too bad that you only see the last update of a rating. I feel like it has value to know when it appeared first [15:44]
mircea_popescu pankkake you can log the ratings chan [15:44]
DrewHorne so where do i go lurk for something to successfully do to get rated and earn trust? [15:44]
HeySteve or check the blockchain, pankkake :) [15:44]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne you know how to read thew logs here ? [15:44]
pankkake not very practical, when you just want to look at someone's ratings [15:44]
HeySteve soon [15:45]
DrewHorne i do not [15:45]
mircea_popescu ;;topic [15:45]
pankkake "oh, these guys have known each other for years" - that info [15:45]
gribble || || || [15:45]
fluffypony pankkake: I suppose you could talk to the rater and ask them? [15:45]
DrewHorne go to the logs web address? [15:45]
mircea_popescu pankkake it does have a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant to update very old ratings, and just let them be "good enough" [15:45]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne you can read the logs of this chan. ocasionally things pop up for people to do. [15:45]
pankkake 1) I'm an assburger 2) but I would rather talk to the ones with the oldest initial rating, anyway [15:45]
pankkake mircea_popescu: well exactly [15:45]
mircea_popescu like above the history phd bit. obviously useless to you, as youre no historian by trade, but we are a diverse bucnh with diverse needs. [15:46]
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mircea_popescu pankkake course the canonical way around is to just ask the rater. he can tell you how far back the relationship goes [15:46]
DrewHorne the first thing that popped out from the log was "mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology" [15:47]
DrewHorne i guess i missed the convo on beating small children [15:47]
mircea_popescu something not necessarily covered by wot anyway yet, as some people rated each other in 2011 might have known each other since 2001 [15:47]
DrewHorne damn [15:47]
mircea_popescu but there was no wot in 2001 [15:47]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne it's in there, read up [15:47]
DrewHorne sweet [15:47]
HeySteve how beneficial would a permanent record of such trust relationships be? [15:48]
DrewHorne ok so seriously though how is the best way to sort though all of this for an actual task rather than just read all of yalls entertaining multifaceted chat [15:48]
mircea_popescu HeySteve very ? [15:48]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne kinda what we're trying to work out atm. there is a wiki, but not too fleshed out yet [15:48]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, for what purposes is it valuable would you say? [15:48]
DrewHorne gotcha [15:48]
mircea_popescu HeySteve you read the theory of economics ? [15:48]
DrewHorne seems like there would be a way to archive tasks? [15:48]
DrewHorne and then just visit the archive and look through different catalogs? [15:49]
fluffypony DrewHorne: you may want to check the bitcoin-otc order book [15:49]
mircea_popescu DrewHorne one could do that, sure. [15:49]
fluffypony sometimes there are things in there as well [15:49]
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fluffypony [15:49]
DrewHorne thanks ill scope it now [15:49]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, Austrian economic theory mostly [15:49]
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DrewHorne seems to be more of a buy/sell log [15:52]
DrewHorne are there actually services / tasks requested of people on here? [15:52]
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fluffypony DrewHorne: not really in any centralised/managed fashion, this isn't a /r/jobs4bitcoins :-P [15:52]
DrewHorne haha [15:52]
mircea_popescu HeySteve i meant that [15:53]
DrewHorne well trust is gained from any successful bitcoin transaction in which someone feels fit to rate you, correct? [15:53]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [15:53]
DrewHorne so i could earn trust by either performing a task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying them immediately and correctly [15:53]
mircea_popescu you can read the above link too, it may clarify [15:53]
DrewHorne lol touche [15:54]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, yes I've read that [15:54]
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pankkake lol TrustSharesIPO__ / TrustSharesIPO spamming the order book [15:54]
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HeySteve mircea_popescu, so this then creates a more comprehensive gazette? [15:54]
mircea_popescu HeySteve so in those terms, it's valuable for enforcing the point 2, permanence. [15:54]
HeySteve right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement [15:55]
mircea_popescu indeed, adding a history of past ratings would be a good idea. [15:55]
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mircea_popescu numerisTrade still working towards your comment btw. [15:56]
DrewHorne be back later, yall have a good one [15:56]
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DrewHorne where do you think i get my money from? [15:57]
mircea_popescu lol [15:57]
DrewHorne ;) [15:57]
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numerisTrade mircea_popescu, now it's not wywialm, but he says "thank you" :) [16:04]
mircea_popescu :p [16:05]
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ThickAsThieves <+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain? [16:13]
ThickAsThieves speaking of the gaming industry, looks like it's promo, promo, zaniness /// i just watched the trailer this morning, looks okay, but kinda missing some sizzle if it wants to beat GTA [16:14]
chetty fixing things which are not broken is a serious disease, and its contagious [16:14]
ThickAsThieves I dont think it's hard to argue that the current WoT could be improved [16:14]
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ThickAsThieves pankakke's concern being one i also share, lack of historical ratings [16:15]
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fluffypony I've just checked the db [16:16]
fluffypony nanotube doesn't log changes :( [16:16]
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fluffypony nanotube: y u UPDATE and not INSERT? [16:16]
ThickAsThieves maybe he keeps the printed log [16:17]
fluffypony checking github noa [16:17]
ThickAsThieves not that this is a 'problem' but i'd also like to see a way to rate entities which haven't registered in the WoT yet [16:18]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if this could be managed by an independent part [16:18]
ThickAsThieves party* [16:18]
davout ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea [16:18]
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ThickAsThieves i do too [16:18]
ThickAsThieves you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves? [16:19]
kakobrekla fluffypony theres a chan on freenode which prints all changes [16:20]
ThickAsThieves it's not a simple thing to solve or implement though [16:20]
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chetty since when do criminals register for such themselves?// great point!! [16:21]
HeySteve I can see the value of rating unregistered entities [16:21]
punkman ThickAsThieves: well there's Paypal for example, but how is that useful [16:22]
HeySteve but there are problems :) they'd have to be clearly identified as proxies [16:22]
ThickAsThieves HeySteve, megacorps arent good examples [16:22]
ThickAsThieves they have reputation that transcends a log [16:23]
HeySteve it may be best to think of them as placeholder ratings which the entities can later assume once validated [16:23]
ThickAsThieves (i could spend time arguing otherwise) [16:23]
punkman well "entities" brings that kind of thing to mind [16:23]
davout ThickAsThieves: if i wanted to argue the opposite i'd say criminals that aren't in the wot weren't part of the economy in the first place, so that would be a non-issue [16:23]
ThickAsThieves a better example would be like JOsh from BFL [16:23]
ThickAsThieves or Peter Vesesnes [16:23]
ThickAsThieves etc [16:23]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves [16:23]
fluffypony what nick would you put josh under? [16:23]
fluffypony bfljosh? real name? [16:23]
ThickAsThieves well these are the finer problems [16:23]
ThickAsThieves you'd need to add several fields to the db [16:24]
fluffypony but it's the core of the problem [16:24]
fluffypony essential to the WoT is identity [16:24]
ThickAsThieves for Real Names and Known Aliases [16:24]
ThickAsThieves essentially [16:24]
fluffypony an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity [16:24]
ThickAsThieves probly with references [16:24]
mircea_popescu it is done. [16:24]
ozbot Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:24]
fluffypony which is why opt-in registration is important [16:24]
fluffypony the minute you allow the rating of unidentified individuals you take identity out of it [16:25]
HeySteve <+fluffypony> an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity <- I disagree. someone doesn't have to know your real name to trade with you based on ratings [16:25]
fluffypony HeySteve: identity != real name [16:25]
ThickAsThieves opt-in registeration being easy and clean does not make unregistered identity handling unimportant [16:25]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea << i don't think it is. [16:25]
HeySteve fluffypony, ok sure, just clarifying your meaning [16:25]
mircea_popescu you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves? << since forever. read up on "peine forte et dure" ? [16:25]
ThickAsThieves the question isnt has it ever happened [16:26]
ThickAsThieves it is whether it makes sense for it to be a requirement [16:26]
HeySteve the question then becomes who would hold the keys to the placeholder identity? seeing as that identity will also be able to rate people. so what happens if "PayPal" downvotes you? [16:26]
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mircea_popescu but you askled "since when", when in point of fact it was always the case. only recently have courst strayed into this heresy that they have authority to judge over unwilling participants. [16:26]
mircea_popescu justice never involved this nonsense. [16:26]
ThickAsThieves so a roaming criminal never gets jailed cuz he doesnt recognize the authority? [16:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: well there's Paypal for example, but how is that useful << hardly useful tbh. just people using the wot to blog. they could have blogged better on a blog, or on twitter. [16:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ayup. [16:27]
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ThickAsThieves i suppose there is a more broken up punishment gazette, the blogosphere and forums etc [16:29]
chetty I suppose the whole internet functions as a punishment gazette [16:29]
mircea_popescu thart's just a forum [16:29]
ThickAsThieves ha! [16:29]
mircea_popescu this is the problem : clueless people are trying to mix forum into pg. [16:29]
mircea_popescu they don't belong mixed and so can't mix. [16:29]
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HeySteve another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas [16:29]
mircea_popescu anyweay davout's argument is souind : if they had no wot they were not part of the economy in the first place. [16:29]
chetty deal with something not on the wot at your own risk [16:29]
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mircea_popescu force them to wot as part and parcel of doing business with them, know that their refusal to comply means they're scammers. [16:30]
ThickAsThieves plenty people not in the wot are part of the economy [16:30]
fluffypony Drew: [15:27:46] NaruFGT-phone: Looking for some quick help configuring sendmail, will pay BTC [16:30]
ThickAsThieves just not the economy you can trust [16:30]
fluffypony oh [16:30]
fluffypony he's gone [16:30]
HeySteve I'm thinking there's a whole raft of WoT-related improvements only possible with some degree of hierarchial organisation [16:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so then... they aren't part of the economy. lol [16:30]
ThickAsThieves they arent part of our elitist portion of the economy [16:31]
HeySteve trusted nodes are appointed that can do things like register placeholder identities [16:31]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is like saying women that don't have sex are part of the dating market, just not my elitist subsection of it [16:31]
mircea_popescu next youi're going to claim the us is part of human culture, just, not the elitist part of it. [16:32]
davout chetty: deal with something on the wot at your own risk too! [16:32]
davout :D [16:32]
ThickAsThieves not quite mp [16:32]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves are people who will sell you a house/car but not sign a contract also part of the real estate/car markets [16:32]
mircea_popescu ? [16:33]
ThickAsThieves surely there are people that dont know about or how to WoT, they we trust to be in our ecomonic sphere [16:33]
ThickAsThieves we invite them to join it when we think to [16:33]
ThickAsThieves it's incidental, not definitive [16:33]
mircea_popescu all purported economic activity that's not taking place between wot registered identities is deffective. if only one wot identity is involved, the whoile thing is in no substantial manner different from the medieval relations between peon and his lord. [16:34]
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mircea_popescu if no wot identity is involved, the thing's irrelevant economically, might as well be two somalis trading cowries [16:34]
mircea_popescu in some undiscovered island somewhere. [16:34]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves, what if to send Bitcoin to a WoT-registered party cost less in transaction fees than sending it to someone unregistered? [16:34]
ThickAsThieves no [16:35]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:35]
ThickAsThieves that's incentivizing [16:35]
HeySteve yes, but what's the specific objection? [16:35]
mircea_popescu that is the specific objections, fo reals. [16:35]
Apocalyptic " is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades" [16:35]
Apocalyptic since when is the scope "recording Bitcoin trades" only ? [16:35]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic whence the quote ? [16:36]
ThickAsThieves well it's the bitcoin-otc WoT [16:36]
ThickAsThieves originally [16:36]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yeah but it hasn't been purely for -otc since gribble first appeared on a non -otc channel [16:36]
HeySteve Apocalyptic, fair enough it's a fuzzier boundary [16:36]
Apocalyptic mircea, another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas [16:36]
Naphex [16:36]
ozbot Web of trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [16:36]
Apocalyptic a couple lines earlier [16:36]
fluffypony Naphex :) [16:36]
mircea_popescu ah. [16:37]
mircea_popescu HeySteve i think you misconstrue the scope of the wot. [16:37]
HeySteve perhaps Bitcoin trade, no S would have been nearer the mark [16:37]
ThickAsThieves ok, now i did mention this metaWoT being handled by an independent party [16:37]
mircea_popescu Naphex gotta love the gpg-centric view lol [16:37]
Naphex hehe [16:38]
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ThickAsThieves couldnt it just be a separate WoT that had one real WoT account for integration? [16:38]
mircea_popescu HeySteve not that narrow. the wot holds all trust in human society. all of it. [16:38]
ThickAsThieves i believe we discussed similar ideas in the past [16:38]
ThickAsThieves a wot web [16:38]
mircea_popescu soon enough political office will be decided simply by wots. [16:38]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, in theory but in practical usage today, it's mostly for the Bitcoin community [16:38]
mircea_popescu to a large degree it already is, in the offices that matter anyway. [16:38]
Naphex *crypto community [16:38]
mircea_popescu HeySteve people. [16:38]
Naphex WoT was around before gribble as well [16:39]
mircea_popescu nobody;'s fault the rest of the bipedals aren't human. [16:39]
Naphex i remember crypto channels, with WoT auth [16:39]
HeySteve well, I was discussing the failings of democracy elsewhere as it's SA election day today [16:39]
mircea_popescu it's been the curse of the humancondition, this, for most times and places most bipedal life forms were bios rather than zoon [16:39]
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mircea_popescu Naphex definitely. gribble is just an incremental improvement. [16:40]
HeySteve people's influence should rise and fall in accordance with their reputation, based on their recent actions [16:40]
HeySteve not vote for them today, giving them free reign to break their promises and do wtf they like / get paid to do for the next X years [16:40]
mircea_popescu < this sort of thing. [16:41]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [16:41]
HeySteve I agree it has great application to politics, yet I still don't see why incentivising people to join the WoT is bad [16:41]
mircea_popescu HeySteve do you see why incentivising people to marry is bad ? [16:41]
HeySteve not in every case, no [16:41]
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mircea_popescu i didn'tg say "it's in every case bad" [16:42]
mircea_popescu for it to be bad, it suffices that there is one case where it's bad. [16:42]
HeySteve maybe the country is low on population growth for eg [16:42]
mircea_popescu nobody gives a shit about your country. [16:42]
mircea_popescu this is about individuals. [16:42]
mircea_popescu the only thing that matters. [16:42]
ThickAsThieves it's also a sliper fucking slope [16:42]
HeySteve it's about leading individuals to choices you consider to be in their best interest [16:42]
HeySteve like raising taxes on cigarettes [16:43]
mircea_popescu you have no business "considering" that. [16:43]
ThickAsThieves one day you invent the coupon, 20 years later you have an economy bent on quantity over quality [16:43]
mircea_popescu this is what bitcoin is here to do : make it impossible for pompous assholes to raise taxes on cigarettes. [16:43]
HeySteve what is society agrees cigarettes are bad? [16:43]
HeySteve *if [16:44]
Apocalyptic that's irrelevany [16:44]
Apocalyptic *irrelevant [16:44]
ThickAsThieves then they wont smoke them [16:44]
mircea_popescu what society ? [16:44]
mircea_popescu whoever thinks they're bad can not smoke them [16:44]
Naphex what about second hand mambo jambo?:p [16:45]
mircea_popescu what about my firm conviction that you should go around naked ? [16:45]
mircea_popescu it's fucking better for you. strip, bitch! [16:45]
mircea_popescu you're giving me 2nd hand textillic retinopathy. [16:45]
HeySteve well, there is a collective good. individuals function within social boundaries [16:45]
mircea_popescu there is no such thing as collective anything. [16:45]
ThickAsThieves that's a whole other (probably great) conversation [16:45]
mircea_popescu that's the myth of #fiat-asses. [16:45]
davout "2nd hand textillic retinopathy" <<< nice [16:46]
ThickAsThieves how wearing clothes shapes humanity [16:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves much softer footsoles, for one. [16:46]
ThickAsThieves well it's base deception right [16:46]
ThickAsThieves let me both hide and distract you with my very body [16:46]
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ThickAsThieves (clothes) [16:47]
ThickAsThieves this likely echoes across so many things [16:47]
mircea_popescu hugely compelx anthropotopic, this. and i am not actually arguing against clothes per se [16:47]
HeySteve hmm well, in the context I propose incentivising certain behaviours and taxing others, there is no central authority doing it. there is the code which people are free to use [16:47]
mircea_popescu merely pointing out how easily dysfunctional this "common good" argument is. [16:47]
ThickAsThieves yeah [16:47]
ThickAsThieves i'll stay ot [16:47]
mircea_popescu HeySteve the only reason i comment is because you seemed to want to know why i wouldn't use it. [16:48]
HeySteve thus the argument against central authority is less meaningful. there are rules individuals agree to abide by [16:48]
mircea_popescu obviously. [16:48]
ThickAsThieves HeySteve, you couldnt do it anyway [16:48]
HeySteve I understand, I am looking more for an economic reason why doing things that way leads to failure [16:48]
ThickAsThieves discounting as a method is always a poor method of marketing [16:49]
mircea_popescu but anyway, since we're doing great covnersation : someone should write an essay on the possibility - in principle - of distinguishing between "common good" and "groupthink". writer out criteria, give me a method, break that shit up. [16:49]
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ThickAsThieves it doesnt mean it cant work [16:49]
mircea_popescu i posit such a thing is impossible. [16:49]
HeySteve certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour which is harmful to the society [16:49]
mircea_popescu HeySteve "certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour." [16:49]
mircea_popescu period. [16:49]
mircea_popescu !up Dimsler [16:50]
assbot Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes. [16:50]
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HeySteve :D well here we don't quite agree, but yes it's a good debate to have [16:50]
Dimsler [16:50]
ozbot BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 [16:50]
Dimsler whose betting? [16:50]
ThickAsThieves who's [16:50]
Dimsler correct [16:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves technically his could have been correct [16:51]
mircea_popescu if he were asking whose goose that is. [16:51]
ThickAsThieves true [16:51]
ThickAsThieves but unlikely [16:51]
Dimsler whose would be possessive [16:51]
Dimsler in context [16:51]
ThickAsThieves his name is Dimsler after all [16:51]
mircea_popescu ;;ud dimsler [16:51]
gribble | English. Arabic · Azerbaijani · Bengali · Bulgarian · Chinese · Czech · Danish · Dutch · English · Filipino · French · German · Greek · Hebrew · Hungarian ... [16:52]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: dimsler [16:52]
Dimsler argh [16:53]
Dimsler someone put a pic up of my house on google images [16:53]
ThickAsThieves from the wiki on peine forte et dure: [16:54]
ThickAsThieves "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable [16:54]
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ThickAsThieves " [16:54]
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nanotube fluffypony: you pinged, what's up? [16:55]
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ozbot Silk Road 2.0 Now Larger Than Silk Road Ever Was | Techdirt [16:55]
fluffypony nanotube: I was looking at gribbles db [16:56]
fluffypony nanotube: why don't you insert ratings into the table instead of updating them, and then just use a subquery to group by rated_user_id / rater_user_id when getting data? [16:56]
fluffypony we're struggling with the lack of historical ratings when people change ratings [16:56]
punkman I remember seeing a link for dowloading the data in bulk on, was it deprecated? [16:57]
nanotube well, i have logs... but i didn't think it would be useful to bloat the db with historical crud. [16:57]
fluffypony nanotube: ok then why not shift historical ratings into an archived rating table? that way the main ratings table doesn't bloat, but the historical data is still around [16:58]
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HeySteve spamming changes could bloat the archive, it might be good to have a time limit or cost [17:00]
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fluffypony yeah, rate limit changes to 1 a day [17:00]
ThickAsThieves no [17:00]
davout no [17:00]
Apocalyptic "New York - La banque américaine JPMorgan Chase est en train de fermer les comptes bancaires d'actuels et d'anciens dirigeants hauts placés non-américains et de diplomates, a-t-on appris mardi auprès d'une source proche du dossier" [17:00]
nanotube well it's not a bad idea generally speaking, just isn't how it happens presently. :) [17:00]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves, davout: why not? what's the use-case for multiple changes a day? [17:01]
ThickAsThieves typos? [17:01]
fluffypony oic oic [17:01]
fluffypony ok didn't think about that [17:01]
davout fluffypony: also you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist [17:01]
fluffypony nanotube: if I get a bit of time I can make the changes and submit a PR? [17:01]
Apocalyptic it's already rate-limited as commands to gribble [17:01]
Apocalyptic which is like 10/minute [17:01]
ThickAsThieves if db bloat is a real problem, then treat it like backups, 1 yearly, 1 monthly, 1 weekly, 1 daily [17:02]
ThickAsThieves then it becomes a backup system [17:02]
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ThickAsThieves rather than historical [17:02]
HeySteve imposing costs for certain actions turns the WoT into something of a business, I'd favour that way to limit spam [17:02]
HeySteve the problem is imposing costs means you have to set costs, meaning you can't avoid (dis)incentivisation [17:02]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: well atm the db is 3mb, so I don't see it growing massively - double-ish that size if every single rating was updated:-P [17:03]
ThickAsThieves the issue is spam [17:03]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves> "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable << this is what the contemporary thinks. [17:03]
mircea_popescu beware of obviously. [17:03]
ThickAsThieves basically the WoT is to be thought of as the very incentive itself [17:04]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lol good one [17:04]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: but then we're back to what davout said, solving a problem that doesn't exist [17:04]
nanotube fluffypony: well, we'd have to discuss the details of implementation first... and whether it's worth it at all. what exactly is the source of your need for historical data? [17:04]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt frame it as a problem per se [17:04]
fluffypony nanotube: reference material + pankkake's laziness [17:05]
davout ThickAsThieves: well, then why would it need solving ? [17:05]
ThickAsThieves it's seeing if we can practically have access to more info [17:05]
fluffypony actually mostly pankkake's laziness [17:05]
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mircea_popescu all blame pankkake [17:05]
ThickAsThieves like the wayback machine [17:05]
artifexd Publicly accessible/searchable logs of #bitcoin-otc-ratings would suffice [17:05]
davout ^ [17:06]
ThickAsThieves probably [17:06]
mircea_popescu im with artifexd actually. it's enough. [17:06]
nanotube haha well, doesn't sound like a great reason :P. but yea anyone's welcome to join -otc-ratings and log. [17:06]
fluffypony what if ratings changes were added to ;;events then? [17:06]
nanotube someone probably is. [17:07]
ThickAsThieves nanotube, what if you just post a file of the historical log [17:07]
ThickAsThieves for people to dl and parse however they like [17:07]
ThickAsThieves daily or whatever [17:07]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know sooner or later you'll have to make the plunge and learn how to make a bot [17:08]
mircea_popescu pick up supybot, it's not hard, will be a day of fun. [17:08]
ThickAsThieves it's suboptimal for anyone but gribble to do it [17:08]
mircea_popescu why ? [17:08]
ThickAsThieves beause you cant rate without gribble present [17:08]
ThickAsThieves but you csan without tatbot [17:08]
mircea_popescu you join it to -otc-events [17:08]
mircea_popescu and log. [17:08]
mircea_popescu this helps keep gribble honest, what if it later decides to lie ? [17:09]
ThickAsThieves so if gribble is doing it, you know it hasnt missed anything [17:09]
ThickAsThieves if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log [17:09]
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mircea_popescu but if nobody is doing things like keeping the log [17:09]
Apocalyptic if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log // he has a point [17:09]
mircea_popescu we'll never know if it ever decides to lie [17:09]
mircea_popescu how goes nubbins` [17:10]
chetty well sun may not rise in the morning, got to stop doubt somewhere [17:10]
mircea_popescu there are people who keep the sunrise log. [17:11]
ThickAsThieves this brings me to my next wot area of concern [17:12]
ThickAsThieves centralization [17:12]
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nubbins` not bad! busy in the studio these days [17:12]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves, with logs available it's pretty recoverable. trust required however [17:13]
nubbins` shopping for a stack cutter these days, looking at the Dahle 842: [17:13]
ThickAsThieves HeySteve only to a degree [17:13]
ThickAsThieves what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings [17:14]
ThickAsThieves etc [17:14]
HeySteve yeah that's what I mean, we must trust nanotube and gribble [17:14]
HeySteve and various links in how those key parts function [17:15]
fluffypony nubbins`: is that for trimming the edges off a stack of magazines/posters/whatever? [17:15]
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nubbins` yep, will cut 200 pages at once [17:16]
fluffypony neat [17:16]
fluffypony guillotine pro [17:16]
fluffypony :-P [17:16]
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ThickAsThieves do you prefer manual over electric, or just saving money? [17:16]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` there was this guy tryhing to get a music festival going earlier. [17:22]
mircea_popescu what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings << we got teh logs ? [17:22]
ThickAsThieves what if the compromise is more insidious [17:23]
ThickAsThieves like it happens over a year [17:23]
ThickAsThieves or is otherwise difficult to detect [17:23]
mircea_popescu logs. [17:24]
ThickAsThieves what if the logs are a lie [17:24]
mircea_popescu trust, but verify is the recipe to perfect security. [17:24]
mircea_popescu 3rd party logs are all a lie ? [17:24]
ThickAsThieves i suppose not, assuming they are logged by several trustworthy parties [17:25]
mircea_popescu trust, but verify is also why eventual consistency is so deeply buried at the root of practical business. [17:25]
thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` need to talk more about invoices etc. etc. been lazy recently gimme a ping when you aren't busy [17:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:26]
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ThickAsThieves this looks neat [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1336 BTC [-] [17:28]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves, great concept [17:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008564 = 13.2742 BTC [+] [17:36]
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pigeons one proposal to move to distributed wot [17:38]
pigeons see #bitcoin-wot [17:38]
fluffypony pigeons [17:38]
fluffypony will that break compatibility with the existing WoT? [17:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.13334997 = 1.3335 BTC [-] {2} [17:39]
pigeons read it [17:40]
pigeons its different so, sort of [17:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0330021 = 0.132 BTC [-] [17:40]
fluffypony I did read it [17:41]
fluffypony that's why I was asking [17:41]
fluffypony like is compatibility a goal at all, for eg. [17:41]
mircea_popescu o wow pigeons lives! [17:42]
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mircea_popescu pigeons you read the ? [17:43]
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mircea_popescu because im not happy with the The contract operationalizes the trust values in a currency-neutral [17:43]
mircea_popescu way, by making the values of 0-100 mean "percent of current world GDP [17:43]
mircea_popescu per capita that I would trust this person with". [17:43]
pigeons no i dont read paywalled sites ;) [17:44]
pigeons but yeah good point that is pretty weird metric [17:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0706 = 0.706 BTC [-] [17:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1333333 BTC [-] [17:46]
nanotube re centralization and trust: yes each rating ideally would be signed. (todo list...) [17:47]
nanotube re currency neutral trust measure: if you have anything else to suggest... i'd be happy to hear alternatives [17:47]
davout ;;tslb [17:48]
gribble Time since last block: 14 minutes and 54 seconds [17:48]
artifexd Apocalyptic: Does Crypton keep logs? [17:49]
Apocalyptic it indeed does [17:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 450 @ 0.00432353 = 1.9456 BTC [+] {4} [17:50]
davout "yes each rating ideally would be signed." <<< this [17:50]
artifexd Would you be willing to share? Specifically the logs from #bitcoin-otc-ratings. [17:50]
Apocalyptic It hasn't been logging for very long though [17:51]
mircea_popescu nanotube "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer’s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four." [17:52]
mircea_popescu from the same link [17:52]
artifexd How long has it been keeping logs? [17:52]
artifexd Roughly [17:52]
Apocalyptic let me check [17:52]
mircea_popescu pigeons if you mostly don't read it you can pretend like it's not paywalled. [17:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989895 = 1.3797 BTC [+] {2} [17:53]
Apocalyptic from 2014/01/14 05:17:47 roughly [17:53]
artifexd Excellent. Thank you. [17:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.072 = 0.576 BTC [+] [17:55]
Apocalyptic yw, also there was some periods of downtime, so don't expect an exhaustive log [17:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53171 @ 0.00085534 = 45.4793 BTC [-] {4} [18:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 1260 @ 0.038 = 47.88 BTC {9} [18:01]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves money is the concern atm [18:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4538 @ 0.038 = 172.444 BTC {50} [18:02]
nubbins` we won't be doing a huge amount of cutting, so a ~$1k manual cutter is more sensible than a $6-10k electric [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 2001 @ 0.038 = 76.038 BTC {30} [18:03]
nubbins` mircea_popescu a bitcoin music festival? [18:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 402 @ 0.038 = 15.276 BTC {14} [18:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.07318227 = 4.2446 BTC [+] {5} [18:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 230 @ 0.038 = 8.74 BTC {7} [18:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` [18:05]
* nubbins` groans [18:06]
nubbins` "out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials." [18:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 86 @ 0.038 = 3.268 BTC {8} [18:06]
mircea_popescu like you know, 14 yo indian woman raped daily is a milennial too. [18:06]
nubbins` sweet, let's get 2bn chinese and pakistani kids together and throw a rave [18:06]
mircea_popescu gangam stayl [18:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.038 = 3.61 BTC {9} [18:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.071 = 2.13 BTC [-] {3} [18:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0633775 = 0.2535 BTC [-] {4} [18:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0332001 = 0.332 BTC [+] [18:07]
nubbins` rent in gangnam is like $10k/sqft [18:07]
nubbins` style indeed [18:07]
nubbins` bbl building a $1bn techno empire [18:08]
* nubbins` chuckles [18:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03306806 = 0.2976 BTC [-] {3} [18:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 38 @ 0.038 = 1.444 BTC {4} [18:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.038 = 0.912 BTC {4} [18:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 161 @ 0.038 = 6.118 BTC {5} [18:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012583 = 0.1258 BTC [+] [18:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 227 @ 0.038 = 8.626 BTC {6} [18:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700001 = 0.28 BTC [-] [18:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.038 = 1.9 BTC {3} [18:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0700001 = 0.35 BTC [-] [18:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 210 @ 0.038 = 7.98 BTC {5} [18:13]
chetty [18:14]
ozbot Saskatchewan Mining Company Hit with Cease Trade Order | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News [18:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.038 = 0.76 BTC {4} [18:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.07 = 4.48 BTC [-] {2} [18:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.038 = 4.446 BTC [18:15]
fluffypony omf yes plz : [18:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0700001 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2} [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 208 @ 0.038 = 7.904 BTC {3} [18:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.038 = 0.456 BTC {2} [18:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07156246 = 0.5725 BTC [+] {2} [18:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 134 @ 0.00086211 = 0.1155 BTC [-] [18:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 108 @ 0.038 = 4.104 BTC {3} [18:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC {3} [18:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0700001 = 0.49 BTC [-] [18:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.038 = 0.532 BTC {2} [18:21]
mircea_popescu chetty heh. [18:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 155 @ 0.038 = 5.89 BTC {5} [18:22]
mircea_popescu canada trying hard to make sure it won't exist in the future huh. [18:22]
mircea_popescu "Susan’s interest in crypto currency flows naturally from her abiding love of social media, the Internet and the environment." [18:23]
mircea_popescu the things these people imagine to constitute natural flow. [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03399998 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2} [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.038 = 0.494 BTC {2} [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07451354 = 1.6393 BTC [+] {3} [18:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [-] [18:26]
fluffypony speaking of millenials [18:30]
fluffypony [18:30]
ozbot The Biggest Douchebag On Vine - YouTube [18:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {2} [18:31]
mircea_popescu ahaha [18:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28460 @ 0.00085656 = 24.3777 BTC [+] {2} [18:32]
mircea_popescu splendid document of what the absolutely normal teenager is, does, and looks like. [18:33]
chetty gubermint saying they failed to pay proper vigoresh [18:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [+] {3} [18:33]
mircea_popescu [18:34]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Check out the #nigger : ... [18:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2} [18:34]
fluffypony GRAAA-ta-taaaaa [18:35]
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thestringpuller dude scrypt is actually selling? [18:36]
thestringpuller da fuq is this shit [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {2} [18:36]
mircea_popescu fluffypony didja want a via ? [18:36]
fluffypony a via? [18:37]
fluffypony thestringpuller: it's PETA's scrypt farm, they apparently have access to chipz [18:37]
mircea_popescu via @fluffypony [18:37]
fluffypony oh lol, no that's fine [18:37]
mircea_popescu i figured better not, seeing how you never know when it shows up on your sm profile :D [18:38]
fluffypony lol [18:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [+] {3} [18:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {4} [18:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020021 BTC [-] [18:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020011 BTC [-] [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [+] {3} [18:42]
davout fluffypony: nice one [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.9842 BTC [-] {11} [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.0395 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2} [18:43]
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thestringpuller benkay benkay benkay (does it work like beetlejuice?) [18:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.0395 = 1.5405 BTC [+] {2} [18:44]
benkay morning, thestringpuller [18:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44020005 = 0.8804 BTC [-] {2} [18:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] [18:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 241 @ 0.0395 = 9.5195 BTC [+] {3} [18:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [+] [18:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] [18:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [+] [18:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] [18:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.006011 = 0.1202 BTC [-] [18:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 750 @ 0.000515 = 0.3863 BTC [-] [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [+] [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07479105 = 0.374 BTC [-] [19:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 222 @ 0.00423001 = 0.9391 BTC [-] [19:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0339 = 0.5085 BTC [-] [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 45 @ 0.0395 = 1.7775 BTC [+] {2} [19:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2330 @ 0.00017237 = 0.4016 BTC [+] {5} [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1765 @ 0.00018028 = 0.3182 BTC [+] {5} [19:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.006011 = 0.1383 BTC [-] {2} [19:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4484 @ 0.00020766 = 0.9311 BTC [+] {7} [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 135 @ 0.00601 = 0.8114 BTC [-] {2} [19:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15580 @ 0.00085502 = 13.3212 BTC [-] [19:14]
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ThickAsThieves [19:20]
ozbot URME SURVEILLANCE: Developing Devices to Protect the Public | Indiegogo [19:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330504 = 0.1653 BTC [-] {3} [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.0395 = 1.3825 BTC [-] {2} [19:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03177155 = 0.2859 BTC [+] {2} [19:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.04015217 = 0.9235 BTC [+] {3} [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989876 BTC [+] [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-] [19:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-] {3} [19:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989793 = 1.3797 BTC [-] {2} [19:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.07474997 = 1.4202 BTC [+] {4} [19:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07479333 = 0.4488 BTC [+] {2} [19:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0748 = 0.1496 BTC [+] {2} [19:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] {3} [19:42]
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ThickAsThieves [19:46]
ozbot Investor Alert: Bitcoin and Other Virtual Currency-Related Investments | [19:46]
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aabtc agamemnon23 akstunt600 aldur1 AndrewJackson Anduck Anon29486307 Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [19:46]
aabtc agamemnon23 akstunt600 aldur1 AndrewJackson Anduck Anon29486307 Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [19:46]
mircea_popescu !up aabtc [19:46]
assbot Voicing aabtc for 30 minutes. [19:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004201 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2} [19:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2} [19:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+] [19:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+] [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-] [19:48]
mircea_popescu quite reasonable. [19:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0071198 = 0.178 BTC [+] [19:51]
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thestringpuller not bad .jpg [19:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.0395 = 1.9355 BTC [-] {2} [19:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {2} [19:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.45990908 = 4.5991 BTC [+] {3} [20:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70375084 BTC to 8`603 shares, 31428 satoshi per share [20:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.0395 = 2.3305 BTC [-] {2} [20:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-] [20:08]
asciilifeform old, but somehow missed this: [20:11]
asciilifeform [20:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315001 = 0.1575 BTC [-] [20:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-] [20:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you recall the lulz that was ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu "we are not the identity police" etc. [20:19]
mircea_popescu gave the texans quite a scare. [20:19]
asciilifeform vaguely. [20:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-] [20:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-] [20:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7366 @ 0.00085576 = 6.3035 BTC [+] [20:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.0395 = 4.9375 BTC [-] {2} [20:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 130 @ 0.0395 = 5.135 BTC [-] {3} [20:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 385 @ 0.00419032 = 1.6133 BTC [-] {4} [20:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0319888 = 0.2879 BTC [+] {3} [20:30]
asciilifeform,0,5534853.story [20:31]
ozbot Baltimore police complaint hotline number connects callers to adult chat line - [20:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00085679 = 14.7368 BTC [+] {3} [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+] [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-] [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339 = 0.1695 BTC [+] {5} [20:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.4599999 = 1.84 BTC [+] [20:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074297 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {3} [20:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-] [20:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-] [20:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074297 = 0.2229 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-] [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03366061 = 0.3366 BTC [-] {3} [20:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.0395 = 1.975 BTC [-] {2} [20:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 127 @ 0.0395 = 5.0165 BTC [-] [20:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03150009 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2} [20:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5827 BTC [-] [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03146874 = 0.2517 BTC [-] {3} [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.031775 = 0.1271 BTC [+] {2} [20:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03361343 = 0.3025 BTC [-] {3} [20:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-] [20:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-] {2} [20:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [-] [20:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-] [20:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {2} [21:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00416111 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {3} [21:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] [21:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-] {2} [21:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0319 = 0.2233 BTC [+] [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03380761 = 0.4395 BTC [+] {2} [21:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-] [21:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00425705 = 0.1064 BTC [+] [21:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 46 @ 0.0395 = 1.817 BTC [-] [21:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] [21:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-] [21:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-] [21:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 183 @ 0.0395 = 7.2285 BTC [-] {2} [21:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-] [21:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-] [21:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.03338325 = 0.9347 BTC [-] {2} [21:37]
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pankkake oh god that vine wigga :/ it's torture [21:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] [21:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-] [21:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6485 @ 0.0395 = 256.1575 BTC [-] {3} [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07112491 = 0.3556 BTC [-] [21:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-] [21:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07112501 = 0.4268 BTC [+] [21:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2272 @ 0.00012054 = 0.2739 BTC [-] {9} [21:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-] [21:56]
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fluffypony pankkake: he's hardcore (tm) [21:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-] [21:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1538 @ 0.00085115 = 1.3091 BTC [-] {11} [22:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [-] [22:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {4} [22:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07114634 = 2.4901 BTC [+] {3} [22:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] [22:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.0395 = 2.4885 BTC [-] [22:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [-] [22:17]
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danielpbarron 18:40:56 <+mircea_popescu> decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon << in english: when there is only one consonant in-between two vowels, the first vowel becomes "long" (usually). [22:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-] [22:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739999 = 0.148 BTC [+] [22:19]
fluffypony Americans say "toona" instead of "tyoon-a" [22:19]
fluffypony *some* Americans, sorry [22:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-] [22:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 61 @ 0.0395 = 2.4095 BTC [-] {2} [22:21]
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danielpbarron i just installed openbsd with a flash-drive, onto another flash-drive; so far this is the nicest OS i've ever had the pleasure to install [22:22]
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joecool the firewall is sweet on it [22:22]
thestringpuller i couldn't install freebsd [22:23]
thestringpuller i totally failed at it [22:23]
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joecool i think i remember looking at doing fbsd, but then i figured gentoo would be better for desktop [22:23]
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joecool i ended up on obsd for a couple years on my laptop cause they had the best reverse engineered wifi drivers [22:24]
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joecool and linux couldn't make up its mind on what wireless stack to adopt (there were like 6 or 7) [22:24]
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turbo_ac100 kakobrekla: Hey what about showing the weight of bets in the middle of the betboxmetadiv s on the mainpage? [22:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] [22:25]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: What kind of hardware? [22:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 734 @ 0.00085261 = 0.6258 BTC [+] {2} [22:27]
mircea_popescu wtf [22:28]
ozbot The Devil's Advocate - Home [22:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 400 @ 0.0008808 = 0.3523 BTC [+] {3} [22:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] [22:28]
mike_c mircea_popescu: [22:29]
mircea_popescu aok [22:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-] [22:29]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, so far I'm testing it out on one of the many old boxes that have been taking up space in my room; the one that worked is a "Shuttle" [22:31]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Cool, I'm just playing it on an older x86 box atm. Was wondering if you'r tried it with newer hardware. [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0008572 = 14.6581 BTC [+] [22:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-] [22:35]
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fluffypony funroll-all-the-loops! [22:40]
* fluffypony kicks gcc [22:40]
fluffypony time to switch back to icc [22:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-] [22:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-] [22:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-] [22:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6758 @ 0.00011861 = 0.8016 BTC [-] {5} [22:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.0395 = 0.9085 BTC [-] {2} [22:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-] [23:01]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: are you going to remove oix? [23:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.0395 = 2.8045 BTC [-] [23:02]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [23:02]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [23:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21102 @ 0.00085731 = 18.091 BTC [+] {4} [23:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 122081 @ 0.00010133 = 12.3705 BTC [-] {18} [23:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-] {2} [23:10]
chetty [23:12]
ozbot FEC chair warns that conservative media like Drudge Report and Sean Hannity face regulation --- like [23:12]
chetty Chris Sevier, a man from Florida, believes he should be allowed to wed his Macbook. [23:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-] [23:15]
BingoBoingo chetty: Who can truly tell that man his love is wrong. [23:16]
thestringpuller what is jetlife [23:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011687 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {3} [23:17]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: where you wanna catch a game at? [23:19]
thestringpuller i never been to St Louis stadium [23:19]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: That's a good question. I'm kind of delaying the issue atm due to some medical stuff. Busch should be fine though. [23:20]
thestringpuller sorry to hear that :( [23:20]
BingoBoingo It happens [23:20]
thestringpuller i wasn't planning on an itenerary before July [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085609 = 13.2694 BTC [-] {2} [23:20]
thestringpuller what a trooper [23:20]
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BingoBoingo At least I've been able to sit down these past few days. [23:21]
thestringpuller new blog posts will be coming then? :) [23:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0395 = 2.2515 BTC [-] {2} [23:29]
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BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Yeah. Just adjusting to sobriety and these analgesics [23:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00012895 = 3.8685 BTC [+] {27} [23:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12890 @ 0.00014612 = 1.8835 BTC [+] {8} [23:36]
BingoBoingo Could drink now and completely blow the liver being on all of these antibiotics, or wait this out and drink fruitfully long into the future. [23:37]
kakobrekla turbo_ac100 that would make it too crammed [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.0395 = 7.9 BTC [-] [23:40]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller proll [23:41]
mircea_popescu y [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2700 @ 0.00014699 = 0.3969 BTC [-] {2} [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] [23:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 79 @ 0.0395 = 3.1205 BTC [-] [23:45]
mircea_popescu I've talked with Unisys by voice and E-mail, and the voice discussion was entirely unsatisfactory as I posted when it happened - basically the Unisys guy said anyone who sells code for $100-$300 a pop was a total _____ for selling it that cheap. [23:48]
mircea_popescu and these are 1993 dollars, pre 5 or so bubbles. prolly 5k in today's obamadollars. [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3810 @ 0.000145 = 0.5525 BTC [-] [23:50]
thestringpuller !up Mats_cd03 [23:51]
assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes. [23:51]
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dub uniwat? [23:54]
mircea_popescu this old company, sort-of like a jpmorgan of the 90s. [23:55]
mircea_popescu at the time it was a big deal. [23:55]
mircea_popescu now it sells rubber ducklings imported from malaysia. [23:55]
thestringpuller HAHA [23:55]
dub I know wat unisys are, the ultimate consultancy [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00013001 = 2.2102 BTC [-] {4} [23:58]
Apocalyptic consulting on how to import ducklings successfully ? [23:58]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic they pissed everyone off with their appaling treatment of the lzw patent [23:58]
mircea_popescu which they shouldn't havew had in the first place. [23:58]
mircea_popescu !up BCB [23:58]
assbot Voicing BCB for 30 minutes. [23:58]
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BCB anyone see the SEC investor warning [23:59]
mircea_popescu see logs. [23:59]
Mats_cd03 [23:59]
ozbot An Update on Toyota and Unintended Acceleration « Barr Code [23:59]
BCB anyone see the California Lawyer Bitcoin article [23:59]
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