Forum logs for 08 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

nubbins`	where's the threat post...	[00:00]
asciilifeform	tilt	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	badbear being i suppose one of the very few people who managed to wade through the tardsforum and more or less retain some sort of credibility.	[00:00]
nubbins`	lel here's another alt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423829.msg4629992#msg4629992	[00:01]
assbot	I need your creativity for 2 minutes PLEASE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJgoe0 )	[00:01]
nubbins`	bitcoinsociety@yahoo.com was the email used to register the weird cats website, as well as a bunch of random asic mining-related domains	[00:02]
nubbins`	:S	[00:02]
asciilifeform	when did sc4mz0rz stop using 'reg by proxy' services ?	[00:02]
punkman	"I have decided to use half my bitcoin ( about 3,300 coins ) to form a self funded organization with the sole purpose of helping to spread information about bitcoin to the world through mass media, local "troops" or small groups, a website, blog, billboards, magazine ad's, TV. and whatever else 3,300 bitcoins will afford me."	[00:02]
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asciilifeform	i mean, wtf, elementary	[00:02]
punkman	"Guerilla marketing is probably the most effective means, vinyl stickers at urinals on mirrors under drive thru windows under the drive thru speaker bumper stickers and the great thing about bitcoin is the stickers could actually have a qr code that links you to some free satoshis so people that never considered buying bitcoin just have to pull out there phone"	[00:06]
punkman	good thread	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	check it out, it's like 2011.	[00:07]
punkman	2011 or 1981, I mean stickers?!	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	when all the world is young lad, and every scribble a business plan...	[00:08]
punkman	"Nitrogen i totally agree with you on the gorilla marketing idea, I have had lots of ideas on how to move forward, but lost myself in aggravation for 2 days not being able to name it."	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/	[00:09]
assbot	A deal can be anything. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVkee )	[00:09]
nubbins`	heh	[00:10]
asciilifeform	the marvel is not the continued existence of the woodcollectors, as such, but of the plankton they eat	[00:11]
nubbins`	i give up, it's socks all the way down	[00:11]
nubbins`	guy makes socks to call out his other socks for being socks	[00:11]
nubbins`	o/	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	the wonders of a living wage, and generaly welfare etatism.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	people gotta do something with all that time.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	dirivitives.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if this character didn't have a grueling day job	[00:12]
punkman	grueling day job and time to make 250 forum accounts?	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	his wife/mother supports him.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	women are fucking dumb like that.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ?	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	cartels, stuff ?	[00:12]
asciilifeform	grueling day job could easily be -where- he made 250 accounts	[00:12]
nubbins`	^	[00:12]
asciilifeform	not on official orders, naturally	[00:12]
punkman	then not grueling	[00:13]
asciilifeform	but while waiting for bell to ring	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/	[00:13]
assbot	Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJhNB6 )	[00:13]
punkman	more like browsing job	[00:13]
nubbins`	grueling day job walking the aisles, looking for shoplifters	[00:13]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: can you picture how many folks are paid to sit (not necessarily even at a computer, could be a pNohe in one hand) and wait for a bell to ring ?	[00:13]
nubbins`	actually no i'd say he's a full time scammer	[00:13]
nubbins`	the wood coins, the digital prints, the cats for sale, the bullets...	[00:13]
nubbins`	he gets enough dribbles from actual suckers to make it worth doing	[00:14]
asciilifeform	then - not a 'welfare case', no ?	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform guy's not doing anything sueful. he's too broadly illiterate to ever be able to get a job, and his attitude precludes the sort of job you're thinking about.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	his manager would basically make him crawl six hours a day.	[00:14]
nubbins`	prob on social assistance, prob supplementing it with scams.	[00:14]
nubbins`	prob sells dope too.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not even. just, full time internet imbecile. like a "wikipedia editor" or something.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	"twitter famous"	[00:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: he could easily be something like a sysadmin	[00:15]
asciilifeform	or some other 'guardhouse' type	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	and i bet you he does not. he gets enough dribbles in the sense of, attention, to keep whatever unfortunate woman paying the bills.	[00:15]
nubbins`	sysadmin who smokes and owns a lathe?	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sysadmin ? DUDE	[00:15]
nubbins`	although	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	gtfo already. sysadmins CAN SPELL	[00:15]
nubbins`	his hands do look purdy.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	tf	[00:15]
*	asciilifeform was once a sysadmin	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	df	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	WTF WAS IT	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	msaux	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	nado stuff.txt	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	hisbory \| greb "wut u sae"	[00:16]
nubbins`	heu	[00:16]
decimation	http://www.cbsnews.com/news/power-company-investigated-after-carbon-monoxide-kills-family/ < speaking of welfare state. derp decided to stop paying power bill, power was cut, derp then decided to run gas generator inside the house, killed self and offspring	[00:16]
assbot	Power company investigated after carbon monoxide kills family - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJig6z )	[00:16]
asciilifeform	^ l0l saw that earlier	[00:16]
asciilifeform	darwin nominee	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	power company should get subsidy.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	"$1000 for each head"	[00:17]
decimation	Todd had received assistance paying his utility bills in the past, but did not apply for help this year, said Tom VanLandingham, who directs the Office of Home Energy Programs in Somerset County. Families can apply once a year, and assistance is based on household income and energy use, among other factors. "We're all kind of baffled as to why he did not apply this year ... that's the million-dollar question," VanLandingham said	[00:17]
decimation	before the utility's announcement.	[00:17]
decimation	lol	[00:17]
asciilifeform	interesting detail that it was generator and not a stove	[00:17]
asciilifeform	typically they try to set up a stove and gasenwagen	[00:17]
decimation	so in the us, you can work to pay usg tax, or work to beg from usg	[00:17]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/7w3WLGo	[00:18]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJir1F )	[00:18]
nubbins`	^ i suppose those qualify as sysadmin hands	[00:18]
decimation	"Court records identified the boys as Cameron and ZhiHeem, and the girls as Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia. "	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` imo looks like a woman's hand.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	^^	[00:18]
asciilifeform	that was my thought	[00:18]
decimation	me too	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah, harem agrees. that's a woman.	[00:19]
decimation	is the ring finger shorter than the index?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	actually, i'l; go on a limb and say that is THE woman.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	^ iirc that heuristic doesn't werk	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	guy is "managing" her, they make up "a team". he's the "marketeer" because he "can bullshit"	[00:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: sure it does	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	"Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia." << ;/	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	who wouldn't want to try out an orgy with these five ?	[00:20]
asciilifeform	decimation: which way was it supposed to work again ?	[00:20]
decimation	http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/04-finger-length-ratio-can-predict-aggressive-behavior-and-risk-of-disease	[00:20]
assbot	Finger Length Predicts Health and Behavior \| DiscoverMagazine.com	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ? << Kludge!!!	[00:21]
decimation	longer ring finger = more manly	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	and by "predict" we mean "random correlations"	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ayup	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e42e4ae7dee18106d5e60a02bfeae56c/tumblr_ng1mlr62AZ1sovis0o1_1280.jpg	[00:22]
asciilifeform	decimation: i oughta be a eunuch if it were true	[00:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWGWh )	[00:22]
decimation	you have a longer index finger?	[00:22]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:23]
decimation	supposedly one study found it correlated with prenatal testosterone	[00:23]
asciilifeform	i remember reading this crap years ago and calling bull	[00:23]
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asciilifeform	maybe we oughta do phrenology next	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	if by it you mean "this looks like a woman's face" ?	[00:25]
asciilifeform	it makes considerably more sense on the surface than the finger thing	[00:25]
asciilifeform	the weird thing about woodsc4mz0r's hands is the lack of whiskers	[00:26]
asciilifeform	(perhaps he did feynman's magic trick with petrol hands one too many times?)	[00:27]
decimation	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2732043/	[00:28]
assbot	Human 2D (index) and 4D (ring) finger lengths and ratios: cross-sectional data on linear growth patterns, sexual dimorphism and lateral asymmetry from 4 to 60 years of age ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJjI8W )	[00:28]
decimation	are you left handed ascii?	[00:28]
asciilifeform	nope	[00:29]
decimation	it's amusing to me that this is actually a controversial point	[00:30]
decimation	how hard would it be to recruit a few thousand people to get a hand xray on a calibrated machine	[00:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00027894 = 13.0683 BTC [+] {2}	[00:30]
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decimation	apparently 'medical researchers' have better things to do	[00:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: no need for xray, just buy off some outfit that handles 'palmprint' door locks for usg	[00:31]
decimation	heh	[00:32]
decimation	yeah a camera under glass would work	[00:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00027163 = 3.5991 BTC [-] {2}	[00:37]
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decimation	asciilifeform: reading more about the ubiquiti thing, it's not obvious to me that replacing with freebsd would do anything	[00:42]
decimation	one would have to replace the bootloader, and apparently they are refusing to release their mods to u-boot source code	[00:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: it gets rid of the read-only mtd	[00:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: you don't need their mods, except if you're working on exposing the particulars of the fraud	[00:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: just build from scratch as i did for 'pogo'	[00:43]
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decimation	asciilifeform: aye, would have to dick around with u-boot and the data sheet	[00:45]
decimation	http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/07/major-power-outage-in-dc-affecting-umd-white-house/ < But it was a 230,000 volt line that shorted. Partially charred ceramic insulators show electric crews what went wrong at a Charles County switching station, causing midday confusion and triggering a widespread blackout across D.C. and its suburbs.	[00:46]
assbot	Pepco: Downed Transmission Line Responsible For D.C. Power Outages « CBS Baltimore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJlXJs )	[00:46]
decimation	it's rare that a major distribution line fails like that	[00:46]
decimation	they are supposed to inspect those for exactly this kind of issue	[00:46]
decimation	^ the power line was probably coming from the nuke plant on the chesapeake bay	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Last summer My town suffered a 12+ hour blackout because the largest incoming transmission line melted	[00:48]
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asciilifeform	the 'one fallen wire' story is a lie of omission	[00:49]
asciilifeform	there is normally redundancy in the grid.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back'	[00:50]
decimation	yeah, that's a good point	[00:50]
asciilifeform	none of the mouthpieces will discuss this, no surprise	[00:50]
asciilifeform	but it remains.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if the line falls right out of the transformer, like first 100 feet, it may cut it out	[00:51]
decimation	http://www.utilitydive.com/news/cascading-outages-hit-maryland-and-dc-conflicting-reports-emerge-over-caus/384088/	[00:53]
assbot	Cascading outages hit Maryland and DC; conflicting reports emerge over cause \| Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJmNG3 )	[00:53]
decimation	it does sound like someone fucked up	[00:53]
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decimation	beyond the line failure	[00:53]
asciilifeform	or chinese '3 point' test.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform btw, turns out luxury not so luxurious after all ?	[00:54]
decimation	re: earlier discussion about power generation	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back' << It was August during peak consumption. Amren stopped delivering anything through the town's 5 MW backup line so the 30 MW transmission line failed at 38.5 MW and started a small swiftly contained brush fire. (/me thinks he got the units right)	[00:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i heard nothing about caviar spoiling in the fridges at 'lockheed' or 'raytheon'	[00:54]
decimation	actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform white house was out of power.	[00:54]
decimation	solar has dropped to $3 per watt installed	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	dja understand how un-american htis is ?	[00:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: whorehouse was also out of power, i bet	[00:55]
decimation	in certain areas of the us, you could buy enough solar panels to power yourself indefinitely for the price of a car	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	"However, there were also multiple reports about an explosion or fire, including a reported explosion at a southern Maryland power plant. "	[00:55]
asciilifeform	decimation: power in the middle of a clear day, sure	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	odds are this was a successful terrorist hit, actually.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	decimation: when not including airconditioner	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	exactly matches the denial pattern	[00:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah, I'm including overage	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar << local hillbill town is about to add solar farm on abandoned manufactering ground to supplement diesel, on coop's dime	[00:56]
decimation	obviously one needs batteries, and that's the rub right nwo	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	NiFe Ftw	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	"Pepco cited a "dip in voltage" as the cause of the outage in its release." derp. the cause of the outage was caused by the cause of the causative agent.	[00:56]
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decimation	right, what that means is "Pepco said some stuff, hoping folks would quit asking"	[00:57]
decimation	generally the strategy for utilities is to smile and nod, and wait until next week when nobody gives a shit	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	this was actually bombed.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	"A Charles County, Maryland official confirmed to Utility Dive that an explosion occurred at a substation. However, CBS reported that their sources tell them there was no explosion at all, while the Associated Press reported that the explosion occurred at a power plant."	[00:58]
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asciilifeform	there is -always- explosion at substation!	[00:58]
asciilifeform	this is what happens on overload	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	three people three stories and fractured exactly on the lines of, local authority \| propaganda mouthpiece \| international agency	[00:58]
asciilifeform	of american-style grid, at any rate	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	actually it should just cut off.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: how knows when to cut ?	[00:59]
asciilifeform	overcurrent	[00:59]
asciilifeform	it's a classic 'how to get fuse that blows before the rest of it' problem	[00:59]
asciilifeform	and is only solvable to a limited extent	[00:59]
decimation	looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCS8xeobg	[00:59]
assbot	Power Plant Substation Explodes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzTXWV )	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	afaik mostly a solved problem on 200kv lines	[00:59]
asciilifeform	while we're at it,	[00:59]
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asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/5UygqI4 << piss-poor t3rr0r1s7, did not even nail my puny hovel	[00:59]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzU1WE )	[00:59]
decimation	asciilifeform: that's a serious ups!	[01:00]
asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/us/california-power-substation-attacked-in-2013-is-hit-again.html << obligatory oldie	[01:00]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzU8BE )	[01:00]
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asciilifeform	http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/FBI-Attack-on-PG-amp-E-substation-in-13-wasn-t-5746785.php << 'not terrorism!!'	[01:01]
assbot	FBI: Attack on PG&E South Bay substation wasn't terrorism - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJnHST )	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/92005a6eace093a5d9ab0155287886fe/tumblr_nhb1a24ONa1rlg8wdo1_1280.jpg	[01:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GJnM98 )	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform right, it's only terrorism when mentally retarded derps do nonsensical shit.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	aha.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	the rest is called 'war'	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	when lifelines are taken out by unidentified parties with access to a lot of resources, it's... uh.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	specifically, 'losing a war'	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	"a cause caused a causation"	[01:02]
nubbins`	here's woodcollector a year ago, with a miner group buy scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5046715#msg5046715	[01:03]
assbot	[ CLOSED ] VX-1 Miner Group Buy - Free 1 TH/s Miner Giveaway ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUA31 )	[01:03]
nubbins`	feb 2014 :o	[01:03]
decimation	it's complicating, our brain trust is taking care of it	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	vx lol.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/98bac6ee0b3f13d32834aee33295b4a8/tumblr_ngj6scZaxu1u5ddqjo2_400.gif << chump in chumpatron.	[01:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUZ5h )	[01:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unstable bukkake ?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	lol i guess	[01:07]
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decimation	http://www.utilitydive.com/news/why-utilities-could-soon-face-massive-load-defection-and-how-they-can-prev/383558/ < "In only 15 years, RMI research shows, load defection by 9.6 million residential customers in just the Northeastern states could be approximately 58 million megawatt-hours (MWh) annually. Valued at an estimated $15.4 billion, that would be about half the projected utility residential energy sales."	[01:07]
assbot	Why utilities could soon face massive load defection, and how they can prevent it \| Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzV9JT )	[01:07]
asciilifeform	... and what, the furnaces to refine si for panels will also, somehow, run on solar? or is it just that this takes place 'on mars' (asia) and not physically real, somehow	[01:09]
decimation	asciilifeform: as long as the chinese government is willing to subsidize production, why not?	[01:10]
asciilifeform	'A couple of blocks from the White House, the lights went off for about 30 seconds at the Warner Theatre as Oprah Winfrey delivered a speech honoring Maya Angelou during the dedication of a new postage stamp. After a few seconds, the sound system began to work again, and Winfrey continued her delivery until the lights returned.'	[01:11]
asciilifeform	this could almost be a scene from 'atlas shrugged'	[01:11]
decimation	hehe yeah	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	decimation vehehehehery risky approach this	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	no free lunch and all that.	[01:12]
decimation	what's free? people get tired of blackouts, buy own solar panels & batteries	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	and wtf, they are still derping with that angelou broad ? what, she's "a poet" ?	[01:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: 'buy'	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	decimation china "subsidizes" it like sar subsidizes oil. to fuck the us.	[01:13]
decimation	aye, and the us thinks it is 'winning'	[01:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: not one in 500 usa inmates could afford any of it without subsidy	[01:13]
decimation	well, this is probably true	[01:13]
asciilifeform	not to mention that not one in 10 installations will cover the wattage of the house ac at full sun	[01:13]
decimation	but because it gets added to the real estate bezzletron, it'll get funded	[01:13]
decimation	that part isn't clear - it depends where the house is located	[01:14]
asciilifeform	most solar aficionados forgo the batteries entirely (!)	[01:14]
decimation	in the sunny west, maybe, not so much in the dreary northeast	[01:14]
decimation	^because batteries are terrible now	[01:14]
asciilifeform	in favour of the meter running backwards mid-day and getting credit on the tab	[01:14]
asciilifeform	batteries come in 'terrible', 'abominable,' and 'abysmal'	[01:14]
mats	anyone remember silicon valley plant going down because of ak47 fire?	[01:15]
decimation	http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/23/falling-battery-prices-boost-outlook-for-electric-vehicles/	[01:15]
asciilifeform	mats: see earlier link!	[01:15]
assbot	Falling battery prices boost outlook for electric vehicles ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzWwZc )	[01:15]
asciilifeform	mats: some of us remember very, very well.	[01:15]
decimation	batteries can still be terrible and work okay if they become cheap	[01:15]
decimation	economically I mean	[01:15]
asciilifeform	decimation: if thermodynamically expensive - the game ends sooner than chumps expect.	[01:16]
mats	im surprised it hasn't happened again. short teh DJIA, start shooting up coolant rooms at various plants...	[01:16]
asciilifeform	mats: it is quite conceivable that it happened again. today.	[01:16]
decimation	as the article notes, it's already economical to run 'off grid' solar+batteries in hawaii	[01:17]
decimation	but that's because hawaii is fucktarded	[01:17]
asciilifeform	though it is hard to understand why the plotters did not decide to shoot in mid-july	[01:17]
asciilifeform	rather than now, with room-temperature weather	[01:17]
mats	practice run for the summer.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	practice was in 2013.	[01:18]
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asciilifeform	economics - thermodynamics == chumpatronics.	[01:25]
asciilifeform	magic formula.	[01:25]
asciilifeform	sufficient to cover that idiot kickstarter where 'use your freezer as air conditioner!!11!1' to the battery thing.	[01:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9613 @ 0.00028014 = 2.693 BTC [+]	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	practice was in 2013. << Regional differences in the US electric grid are extreme	[01:42]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 351209 \| Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 \| Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 48776199716.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: -1.35539	[02:39]
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BingoBoingo	felipelalli: Thank you for the comments on qntra	[04:05]
felipelalli	BingoBoingo: welcome! it's an honor.	[04:05]
felipelalli	BingoBoingo: so, let's implement that idea? The ransomware promises: deposit X bitcoin to account XYZ and we'll free your data. Then, do nothing! No more "good bad guys", no more hope. lol	[04:10]
BingoBoingo	felipelalli: Well the entire idea of ransomware is premised on people getting their data back if they pay.	[04:10]
felipelalli	only in this way they'll stop to funding criminals.	[04:11]
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felipelalli	BingoBoingo: exactly. This will destroy this idea.	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	If people stop paying entirely or people stop returning data selectively the thing falls apart	[04:11]
felipelalli	BingoBoingo: that's the idea!	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	As seriously as people build up the ransomware threat the entire ecosystem is awfully precarious. One could readily kill it with ransomware that did not honor a ransom	[04:12]
felipelalli	BingoBoingo: making a "really lier" ransomware would accelerate this process. hahaha	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	The risk associated with doing such a thing isn't likely worth it compared to other ventures in BTC which are far nobeler to hang for	[04:13]
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felipelalli	yes. I was kidding anyway. But would be fun!	[04:13]
felipelalli	would be the terror of the scammers. A "fake scammer" but "really bad and lier" would make the long-term good, after all.	[04:16]
felipelalli	funny to think about it.	[04:16]
felipelalli	This made me remember this: https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Defending%20the%20Undefendable_2.pdf	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	Really the best insulation in bitcoin is a sense of history	[04:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Jn2VIl )	[04:19]
felipelalli	what do you mean with "insulation" in this context?	[04:19]
felipelalli	chap III 6. The Blackmailer. Nice chapter. You read crying.	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	felipelalli: That healthy sense of skepticism that keeps pirateat40 from replaying over and over on the same scale	[04:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00027923 = 9.7032 BTC [-] {3}	[04:20]
felipelalli	BingoBoingo: yes. it's true.	[04:21]
felipelalli	4:20 AM here, good night BingoBoingo! Thanks for conversation.	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00027794 = 1.8205 BTC [-]	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	k, later	[04:26]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1091654 <<< should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P	[04:53]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 02:11:53; TomServo: mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers?	[04:53]
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kakobrekla	http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif	[05:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk )	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:44]
cazalla	this million dollar extreme dude has some funny shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFaG_7RySI	[05:47]
assbot	Gutta Man (Sam Hyde) stand-up, May 2nd, 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKPeN )	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	is he trying to sound like drexl ?	[05:55]
cazalla	dunno who that is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14jqZ-bVx3c	[05:59]
assbot	Williamsburg Street Fashion ☠ 1 of 3 ☠ "Emmm..." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnfmE8 )	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDJ8ocSN5GE	[05:59]
assbot	True Romance Gary Oldman Drexl HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnfq6I )	[05:59]
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ben_vulpes	cavirtex acquired by coinsetter	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	wait, in this lalaland of imaginary imaginations the newspapers acquire the failed banks ?	[16:52]
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ben_vulpes	your symbol table's borked	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	oh, i see, because they have no btc, all they have is "mindshare", and in respect to that pseudo-capital coinsetter is better capitalised than cavirtex ?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	mostly because coinsetter thinks it can print ?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes which one am i confusing ?	[16:52]
ben_vulpes	newspapers?	[16:53]
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ben_vulpes	sure, coinsetter's not liked around here but grok i not how 'tis a newspaper.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	what is it, iyo ?	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	an "information aggregator" ?	[16:54]
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ben_vulpes	http://www.coinsetter.com << that	[16:55]
assbot	Trade Securely on Wall Street's Bitcoin Exchange - Coinsetter ... ( http://bit.ly/1aL5AjK )	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks	[16:56]
ben_vulpes	integrity check to mircea_popescu's symbol table please	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	!s coinsetter	[16:56]
assbot	14 results for 'coinsetter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinsetter	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	Jaron Lukasiewicz Bitcoin CEO/Founder o.O	[16:57]
ben_vulpes	they may have some slave in the third world cranking aggregation on their blog, perhaps that's what's got you spun.	[16:57]
*	mircea_popescu shrugs.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2013#7424	[16:58]
assbot	Logged on 30-04-2013 01:55:22; mjr___: kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why they were filed under "just another subreddit" but w/e.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	it honestly doth not seem so very mistaken upon review.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	the angel list thing they got is a tad lulzy. ( https://angel.co/coinsetter )	[17:00]
assbot	Coinsetter \| AngelList ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpI6X4 )	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	Ben Davenport	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	Co-founder & CPO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	Timothy Bhattacharyya MD	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	“	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	I believe in markets and trading to increase the wealth of the world."	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	an' Charles DiMaggio. an' silbert, of course.	[17:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00025472 = 2.8147 BTC [-]	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091054 << wtf happened here ?!	[17:03]
assbot	Logged on 07-04-2015 15:20:37; deedbot-: accepted: 2	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	oh nm got bundled with later thing.	[17:03]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:05]
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ascii_field	heap fragging in bitcoind.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[17:06]
ascii_field	almost certainly yes.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	definitely yes.	[17:07]
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mircea_popescu	it's been danced around with all sorts of patches and whatnot, but multiple ddos avenues related to fragmentation.	[17:07]
ascii_field	anyone mention it before i just now ?	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	i know bitcoinj ran into it plentifully.	[17:09]
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ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[17:15]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 246.0, Best ask: 246.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 38386.95711616, 24 hour low: 242.72, 24 hour high: 256.4, 24 hour vwap: None	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field part of the problem is that you're stuck mushing together items that can arbitrarily be anything between 100 bytes and whatever, 250kb. and there's a lot of them. no way to allocate but dynamically, willy-nilly keep getting them allocated and deallocated and again and again.	[17:29]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i know what heap fragging is	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	no, i just mean, with bitcoin is to some degree unavoidalbe, because txn.	[17:30]
ascii_field	entirely avoidable if one plans for it	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[17:31]
ascii_field	typically this is handled with custom 'multi-generational' allocator	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	yes but it's worse than that : if you have an elegant alocator and the people do not, your chain will fork and theirs will not.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	this is one of those places where bug to bug compatibility rears it's ugly butt.	[17:32]
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jurov	what part of buttcoin depends on memory allocation?	[17:32]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: if allocator leads to fork, it is wrong	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	kinda why idiots (and by that i mean satoshi) shouldn't be allowed to code in the first place. but hey, we believe in the power of belief...	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field it will construct and mine a block that makes everyone else crash, conceivably.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	and subtly, to boot.	[17:33]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: a proper 1m block should never be able to 'make everyone crash'	[17:33]
jurov	even improper	[17:34]
ascii_field	if such a thing could, then bitcoin is buggy and the sooner it is detonated, the better	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	i am atm not sure it couldn't.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	in fact, this has happened (not due to the heap issue, true)	[17:34]
ascii_field	the bdb thng ?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	yes the locks thing	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	note very similar issue : exhausted locks, exhausted heap...	[17:35]
ascii_field	it was an epic lameness and a number of folks ought to have felt the stake	[17:35]
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mircea_popescu	yeah well. let me propose something for you here. just for curiosity's sake, a rough model.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	so i broadcast 50k 140 byte txn. you allocate these, they fail, you deallocate them. before you had time to go through the lot however,	[17:36]
BingoBoingo	dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks << I constantly run into new ventures that imagine they are qntra competitors	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	i also broadcast 50k 150 byte txn. these go in your pile, and on fresh memory.	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	by the time you're entirely exhausted, i broadcast some more txn and mine a block with them.	[17:37]
BingoBoingo	who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat? << There is a trilema post tracking this phenomenon, but if you want to elevate it to a sustained operation go for it.	[17:37]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: this in fact happens 'in the wild.' the only reason it does not lead to forks where folks with, e.g., 1GB of ram wheel off into a parallel universe from folks with 2GB, and 4GB, etc. is,	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	that everyone uses about as much ram ?	[17:37]
ascii_field	that the fragging issue itself results in ludicrously overpowered boxes being put to use	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	right.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	but it remains a problem, this.	[17:38]
ascii_field	where the garbage has time to coalesce	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks"	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	currently the 1mb limit is blessfully keeping THIS (among its many sisters) under the water.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	that gavin [pretends like he] doesn't know such is exactly why the verbiage as to the retarded boy in one of my articles debunking the nonsense.	[17:39]
jurov	i don't see the issue why that would lead to fork per se.	[17:39]
jurov	you just flush the disk cache by your misallocations and then take longer to verify the block	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	but do you mathematically see the proof where it never would ?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	different standards here.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	in general, going by the "never one single bug in kitchen, and noting that bdb locks are a resource of the kind that pointers are, just one easier to exhaust, i propose this as likely, on the basis of my business heuristics.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	which obviously differ from your coder heuristics. but differ to our benefit.	[17:41]
jurov	bdb is much more coplicated and hard to debug api than malloc/free	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	every word is complicated for whosoever doesn't read.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	and the bitcoind allocation scheme isn't a jewel or anything.	[17:43]
ascii_field	'isn't a jewel' << mega-understatement of the century	[17:44]
jurov	nothing is a jewel here	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	fuck you, i'm a jewel.	[17:44]
jurov	yea, like you never make mistakes	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	no, like a jew.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	only with -el.	[17:45]
ascii_field	like sapper.	[17:45]
ascii_field	sappers get to make their one mistake.	[17:45]
ascii_field	at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16?	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	this afaik has never been seriously measured	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	we don't care atm, because we know experimentally the system as deployed is stable.	[17:48]
ascii_field	didn't say that it was (except that it - was, i measured)	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, before any sort of change, like say a block size increase, this will have to be measured	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	among many other things	[17:49]
ascii_field	more high-level dilemma here	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	not among which, the opnion of reddit, the headers of miners etc.	[17:49]
ascii_field	at what point do 'we' get to proclaim that folks using the buggy version are retarded ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	not how this is handled.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	we explain the problem, publish the measuring tools, let people declare themselves retarded.	[17:49]
*	ascii_field has no idea how, or even whether, this is handled.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	once enough do... problem solved.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	before... we wait.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	like i've been waiting, on many things, for many years.	[17:50]
ascii_field	and until then, what? we are required to leak at the same rate as which extant bitcoind?	[17:50]
ascii_field	gavin's?	[17:50]
ascii_field	the java turd ?	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	until then, we hang out in irc.	[17:50]
ascii_field	we don't even know for a fact what it is the miners use..	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	and say yes and no as people ask and wonder.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	as teh expression goes, "relax, you have plenty of time. tomorrow - you die."	[17:51]
ascii_field	to continue with the line of thought, as soon as we so much as frag less than gavin's turd, someone - anyone - could send us off on a fork of less-retardation.	[17:51]
ascii_field	simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	maybe. it's a complicated thing.	[17:54]
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nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31umjo/3m_video_are_intel_processors_compromised/	[17:55]
assbot	3m video "are Intel processors compromised?" #welcometorealpolitics #bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amuUff )	[17:55]
nubbins`	man, reddit's taking a page from the book of alf today o.O	[17:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00025223 = 1.2458 BTC [-]	[17:57]
ascii_field	snore.	[17:58]
ascii_field	http://danluu.com/cpu-backdoors << not the first time a usg shill spins amd's lack of encipherment or signature enforcement on microcode updates as a weakness	[18:00]
assbot	CPU backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1amwkq8 )	[18:00]
ascii_field	'oh noez non-crippled hardware, someone other than usg could modify it'	[18:01]
punkman	AMD's "management engine" equivalent is also bad, isn't it though	[18:01]
ascii_field	punkman: not mandatory	[18:02]
ascii_field	or, another instance of this idiocy,	[18:03]
ascii_field	at one time there was much crowing re: a 'xilinx fpga backdoor'	[18:03]
ascii_field	turned out, it was possible to read back the bitstream from a 'locked' unit	[18:04]
ascii_field	'oh noez, the chip is auditable when we don't want it to be! boobytrap!'	[18:04]
ascii_field	and a few microcontrollers, ditto	[18:04]
ascii_field	in every single case, it was a 'oh noez this is accidentally auditable'	[18:04]
ascii_field	oh noez the user is not caged properly! there are a few loose bars!	[18:04]
punkman	ascii_field: not mandatory, as in I can get a motherboard without it?	[18:05]
ascii_field	pathetic buggers, doing the one and only thing they are good at - 'spinning the controversy'	[18:05]
ascii_field	punkman: yes.	[18:05]
ascii_field	punkman: for how long - cannot say	[18:05]
punkman	guess I'll have to look into that	[18:06]
punkman	any part numbers you'd recommend?	[18:06]
ascii_field	punkman: i'm partial to older 'tyan' boards	[18:06]
ascii_field	(e.g. 'thunder' series, '07 and prior)	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field have you seen the recent "gamer desktops" recommendations btw ? nothing but intel.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	"it's better"	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah, im sure it is lawl.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:10]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is not a subject i regularly follow.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	nor i, but since ima play eulora...	[18:10]
ascii_field	but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors	[18:11]
ascii_field	and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	seems teh usg-consensus pretty much is to make amd extinct.	[18:12]
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jurov	lolwut, eulora will need recent hardware?	[18:14]
ascii_field	jurov: iirc it uses 3d graphics...	[18:14]
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ascii_field	believe or not.	[18:14]
jurov	3d as needed by eulora is here... 10years or so?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	jurov just about yeah	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	it's not very demanding.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	punkman wasn't the "management engine" an intel thing ?	[18:16]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: AMD has an equivalent	[18:19]
ascii_field	it does.	[18:19]
punkman	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/14/amd_plugs_chip_firmware_holes/	[18:19]
assbot	AMD plugs firmware holes that allowed command injection • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1amB1jF )	[18:19]
punkman	I think I linked that video before	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	im not disputing that, just, what was it called.	[18:20]
punkman	System Management Unit (SMU)	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	ah yes	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	other one was ame or ami or something	[18:20]
punkman	AMT?	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	somethng like that	[18:20]
punkman	let's just call it CANCR	[18:21]
BingoBoingo	Back in college the phrasing to trigger a smoke break was "Do you think you can handle a cigarette now?" "I think I Can, Sir."	[18:30]
mats	http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-It-Page-Windows/dp/1479114294 << this is excellent, for those that feel compelled to learn about windows 7	[18:39]
assbot	What Makes It Page?: The Windows 7 (x64) Virtual Memory Manager: Enrico Martignetti: 9781479114290: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFHWN )	[18:39]
ascii_field	mats: yes it is!	[18:39]
mats	finally got myself a hard copy after some searching of the interwebs. nobody has bothered to warez, yet...	[18:40]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9447582#msg9447582	[18:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25539 @ 0.00025467 = 6.504 BTC [+] {3}	[18:40]
assbot	[WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFYcf )	[18:40]
nubbins`	^ here's where woodcollector agrees to make the "$14,000 wooden B" for... 1 btc.	[18:40]
nubbins`	so there's yr answer i guess	[18:41]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9450425#msg9450425	[18:41]
assbot	[WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amGarP )	[18:41]
nubbins`	"just keep it $200 - $400 range and impress me."	[18:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16692 @ 0.00025522 = 4.2601 BTC [+]	[18:43]
jurov	obama should ask him for $1T wooden bitcoin next time he's got probs with fed	[18:43]
fluffypony	lol	[18:44]
fluffypony	Obama should just find the secret case	[18:44]
nubbins`	^^^^^^^^^^^^	[18:45]
nubbins`	also, he never ordered supper for me like he said he would >:(	[18:45]
mats	youtube.com/watch?v=zvImG-0uIX4	[18:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00027389 = 8.0934 BTC [+] {2}	[18:52]
BingoBoingo	Solaris 12 moving to pf as default/only firewall https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142822852613581&w=2	[18:58]
assbot	'pfi_kif leaks for PBR rules' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1amJGT3 )	[18:58]
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mircea_popescu	who even runs solaris anymore.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	;;google ebay assus m5a78l	[19:13]
gribble	Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 \| eBay: ; AMD X8 Core FX-8350 4.0Ghz & ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 ... - eBay: ; ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 Socket AM3+ AMD mATX Motherboard - eBay:	[19:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Probably jsut a handful of "businesses" that found themselved locked in	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	hmm so the ~90 i paid for it isn't really THAT outrageous.	[19:14]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092078 << how much would you want someone to pay for a house in fuckbuckett.	[19:50]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 12:28:32; nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092088 << best.	[19:50]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 14:03:00; punkman: send him a piece of driftwood	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092094 << you don't have to be licensed if you handbreed them.	[19:51]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 14:07:48; nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092107 << internet toughboi sends many pizzas (=9) to house of his archenemy that doesn't even know about it just as archenemy (that doesn't know about it) was having random party. arrives just in time, everyone's happy.	[19:52]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 14:55:01; danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092110 << lol wait, you were acquitted of police breaking and entering ?	[19:53]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 15:04:18; Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	"your honor, this man is totally innocent of what the police did to his house."	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	holy shit this guy is ALSO bruce w ?	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	what is with this name.	[19:54]
lobbes	everybody wants to be batman, I guess	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/226944173/large-wenge-purpleheart-hand-turned-wood?ref=pr_shop << i coulda sworn i saw this somewhere before.	[19:55]
assbot	Large Wenge & Purpleheart Hand Turned Wood by BruceWayneWoodArtist ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7BylC )	[19:55]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092172 << another mirror -> https://archive.today/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/	[19:57]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 18:48:06; ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd	[19:57]
assbot	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/: There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7C1V1 )	[19:57]
BingoBoingo	jurov: I've got nothing.	[20:14]
mats	slow day.	[20:16]
mats	http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv	[20:19]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWoKMT )	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	jurov i think peeps be trolling	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	grind that shit fine enough, throw it in the air...	[20:24]
BingoBoingo	speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds. << You just end up with a different crowd with a heavier category of people	[20:25]
mod6	"in fuckbuckett." lol	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ?	[20:25]
jurov	i'd like to try stevia sometime. it is already available in fine powder	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	can't fucking breathe.	[20:25]
jurov	or a combiantion	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	jurov "PDFs/PPTs or it didn't happen." was pretty good...	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ? << I get the most delicous coffing fits.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	i mean people would come with their freshly baked cookies for a dusting...	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	just changes the shape of the crowd.	[20:27]
jurov	crowdshaping	[20:29]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, grandpa had a stroke Friday and he's already back to walking around normally. The only thing that seems to have changed is he actually takes his blood pressure medicine.	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00025959 = 10.4745 BTC [+] {2}	[20:41]
BingoBoingo	Only only hope that if I make it to 90 I can be that durable.	[20:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00026302 = 4.4187 BTC [+]	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	depends on how you eat.	[20:46]
BingoBoingo	I guess I better get a hold of meals on wheels	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092133 << sounds roughly worth the lulz	[20:47]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 16:15:40; fluffypony: and claim I found them	[20:47]
TomServo	cazalla: should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P << shit, I was serious. I must be using my rose-tinted glasses on this one. I'mma have to rewatch this now.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	so are we gonna call teh usg ops "tiki taka" ? seems adequately derpy...	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	"oh we shall send people in #bitcoin-assets as per standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures to be made within hours and laughed at all the way to the front desk."	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092189 << apparently no investors ?	[20:55]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 19:36:57; fluffypony: "Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400"	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092197 << either that or they've been spamming since forever as business / usual.	[20:55]
assbot	Logged on 08-04-2015 19:38:27; fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you care enough about coinbase to write up this latest lulz ?	[20:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I haven't been up long enough to get good sourcing on it. If someone else want to write it up I'd check and publish it.	[20:58]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony ^	[21:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00025634 = 11.9198 BTC [-] {3}	[21:04]
BingoBoingo	lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31wjt7/coinbase_scam_email_alert/cq5nbch	[21:04]
assbot	cqm comments on ***COINBASE SCAM EMAIL ALERT*** ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6evGJ )	[21:04]
danielpbarron	Please note: Initial deposit amounts exceeding +30 bitcoin will qualify your membership for a 2nd level upgrade. << MPEx sets the standard	[21:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22319 @ 0.00025219 = 5.6286 BTC [-] {2}	[21:09]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: You want to write this one up?	[21:09]
danielpbarron	sure	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	30 btc is best btc	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	similarly, spanked butt is best butt. http://33.media.tumblr.com/7882bb358d5116b7b174d97672357532/tumblr_nfllfsaep11sjegrpo1_400.gif	[21:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y6gbQu )	[21:14]
BingoBoingo	What about baseball butt? http://i.gifeye.com/13487.gif	[21:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y6gr21 )	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	basebutt is largest butt.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	see, best, largest... first butt missing.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	will 2nd lt 1st butt report for complety!	[21:16]
BingoBoingo	But she's stealling 3rd Butt.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	!b 8	[21:17]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SBNZ7D.txt )	[21:17]
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BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[21:18]
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indiancandy1	hi boys n girls	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/ uh dead ?	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	how goes indiancandy1	[21:19]
indiancandy1	im good	[21:19]
indiancandy1	in bed relaxing	[21:19]
indiancandy1	you	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	nothing much. digesting.	[21:20]
BingoBoingo	in chair, unlaxing	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	nge3IShb	[21:21]
indiancandy1	nge?	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	meh there goes this kbd	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	a hey, not so bad.	[21:22]
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indiancandy1	who	[21:25]
indiancandy1	mp	[21:25]
indiancandy1	hows u bby	[21:25]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[21:25]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.55, vol: 11594.32792055 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.326, vol: 7726.90295 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.91, vol: 39772.9444729 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.329788, vol: 128921.67480000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.45692, vol: 13.68792084 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 253.077009989, vol: 133.44500285 \| Volume-weighted last average: 243.746195825	[21:25]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[21:25]
gribble		[21:25]
BingoBoingo	O.o	[21:25]
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indiancandy1	hiiiiiiii	[21:30]
indiancandy1	talk	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00025061 = 11.29 BTC [-]	[21:31]
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BingoBoingo	https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cb/b9/e6/cbb9e63c8ed86df314997771fe2114c0.jpg	[21:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y6j7wr )	[21:34]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: any mention in any of these of the -actual reason- for the exercise ?	[21:37]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it so happens that there is one	[21:37]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I've no seen any reason other than "pissing contest"	[21:37]
asciilifeform	yes but no mention of the second pisser	[21:37]
asciilifeform	http://www.uralinform.ru/news/society/228787-rossiya-vybrosila-voennyi-desant-na-severnyi-polyus	[21:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y6jHdG )	[21:38]
asciilifeform	^ not the most detailed piece but there are many	[21:38]
asciilifeform	ru parachutists land on a drifting ice sheet, 100km from the pole, in full gear; build camp with self-contained systems, mains power, heat, etc. at -50c.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	this sequence of events being a historic first, afaik.	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	Aha, Russians took over Krampus's village	[21:40]
asciilifeform	50 tonnes of provisions dropped	[21:41]
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*	asciilifeform discovers, to no surprise, that the film clips of this event have been deleted from youtube.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	i will add that they did this same exercise last year at exactly this time.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504060846-qsno.htm << film	[21:45]
assbot	Российский десант высадится на дрейфующую льдину у Северного полюса - Телеканал «Звезда» ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6kISS )	[21:45]
asciilifeform	or not.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	clip shows something entirely unrelated.	[21:46]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJ9W95Meys << appears to be proper	[21:48]
assbot	Десант на Северный полюс. 8 апреля 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6l8J3 )	[21:48]
*	TomServo is the proud owner of 'adulterated' pogo.	[21:54]
TomServo	Now to figure out these u-bout and buildroot things.	[21:55]
TomServo	boot*	[21:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80376 @ 0.00025024 = 20.1133 BTC [-] {4}	[21:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00024978 = 4.4211 BTC [-] {2}	[21:56]
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ben_vulpes	TomServo: have you accomplished netconsole yet?	[21:57]
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ben_vulpes	bitcoinrpg -> control the network quest -> bitcoind quest (now apparently depends on buildroot quest, which depends on gentoo quest, so may as well pogoquest as well)	[22:00]
BingoBoingo	http://www.dailyegyptian.com/news/article_2bea4122-dc69-11e4-81a5-bb4948f90ef2.html << multi lol	[22:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Cie9cn )	[22:00]
ben_vulpes	man	[22:00]
ben_vulpes	i need a fucking quest tree to keep track of all this shit	[22:00]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: at some point they will rediscover traditional eunuch-making.	[22:01]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Like with executions I imagine they will try to put a medical veneer on it.	[22:01]
TomServo	ben_vulpes: sorry, had to reference danielpbarron's docs.. you're referring to enabling SSH access?	[22:02]
ben_vulpes	no, the part where pogo boots and then attaches to a nc instance running on your host machine	[22:02]
ben_vulpes	TomServo: ^^	[22:02]
TomServo	Negative... I enabled SSH and waited for my USB>TTY convertors to arrive	[22:03]
ben_vulpes	TomServo: oh, you've actually cracked the case and everything?	[22:03]
ben_vulpes	so intrepid	[22:04]
TomServo	heh, I guess? Seems like an awful way to learn soldering, I'll say that.	[22:04]
TomServo	I was surprised I got it working.	[22:04]
ben_vulpes	easy to do, hard to do well.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	everyone who has not yet done this, will quickly find that at least one pogo with serial port is necessary - if only for testing own build of uboot.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	a unit with defective 'uboot' can only be restored via serial port (xmodem)	[22:07]
asciilifeform	srsly it does not take a very long time to solder three wires.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	considerably less time than screwing with netcat.	[22:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88200 @ 0.00024767 = 21.8445 BTC [-] {4}	[22:08]
asciilifeform	you will also be able to see kernel messages as it boots	[22:08]
asciilifeform	(i do not know of any simple means to 'netcat' these. they come out of ttyS0, as the gods intended.)	[22:08]
asciilifeform	you will also be able to log in to a unit that is not running sshd or telnetd.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	in short, save the headache and do it. someone here did not even own a soldering iron, iirc, and bought one for the occasion, and did not regret.	[22:10]
TomServo	http://i.imgur.com/otRbvlr.jpg < my excited photo after learning it worked.	[22:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CigAff )	[22:10]
asciilifeform	wut	[22:11]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:11]
TomServo	huh?	[22:11]
asciilifeform	wasn't loading at first	[22:11]
asciilifeform	TomServo: you drilled the box, or what	[22:12]
TomServo	Couple snips of the plastic allowed me to poke the wires through.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	neato	[22:13]
TomServo	The ridges over the ventilation holes in the bottom.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	i barbarously screwed mine shut with the wires in.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	pinch doesn't make a difference at 115200 baud...	[22:13]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-liberasty-lol from obscure rat pit: http://catvalente.livejournal.com/690416.html	[22:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:16]
assbot	Rules for Anchorites - Holding the Hugos–and the English Language–Hostage for Fun and Profit ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6psYN )	[22:16]
TomServo	asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/nz9De6B	[22:17]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6pwHY )	[22:17]
asciilifeform	TomServo: very clean!	[22:17]
asciilifeform	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/04/08/five-charts-that-may-soon-be-illegal-in-tanzania << preview of usa	[22:19]
assbot	Five charts that may soon be illegal in Tanzania - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiiCMl )	[22:19]
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BingoBoingo	"Shockingly, only 27 percent of doctors could correctly diagnosis malaria with anemia, and 29 percent could correctly diagnose diarrhea with severe dehydration" << WTF	[22:21]
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ben_vulpes	http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv << wahaha	[22:26]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CikcOd )	[22:26]
ben_vulpes	cops are scawwy what with their failure to understand basic physics	[22:26]
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asciilifeform	'guardia civil' ?	[22:27]
*	ben_vulpes shrugs	[22:27]
ben_vulpes	third world nomenclature isn't really my thing.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	Tienen, por eso no lloran,	[22:27]
asciilifeform	de plomo las calaveras.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	Con el alma de charol	[22:27]
asciilifeform	vienen por la carretera... (g. garcia lorca)	[22:27]
BingoBoingo	lol	[22:28]
decimation	asciilifeform: actually I would posit that the us mostly has a 'Gendarmerie'	[22:28]
decimation	state police	[22:28]
decimation	and federales	[22:28]
BingoBoingo	Moar skulls!!!	[22:29]
ben_vulpes	decimation: don't cities operate their own police force?	[22:29]
asciilifeform	the local police handle most of the tedious everyday life	[22:29]
ben_vulpes	maybe this socialist utopia's the last holdout. federales have been leaning hard on them for cracking a few too many crackpot brainpans, and beating up on brown folks.	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	In my understanding outside of very large cities, grants tend to push local police toward the most tedious tasks	[22:30]
BingoBoingo	"Seatbelt laws"	[22:30]
decimation	after all it's not like the fbi can't come up with an excuse to arrest you if they wish	[22:31]
ben_vulpes	i accidentally a stop sign at oh 30 mph on my bike the other day, right in front of a copper.	[22:31]
decimation	re: wwiii > http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_aerospace_command_moving_comms_gear_back_to_bunker_999.html < hilarity	[22:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CildG5 )	[22:31]
ben_vulpes	thirty seconds later, "you know, i'm not the sort of guy to insist on a full foot-down stop from bikers at every stop sign. but DUDE! you came through that intersection at easily over 20 mph!"	[22:32]
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asciilifeform	decimation: l0l! i somehow missed that the mountain had been mothballed	[22:32]
decimation	usg paid $bil to hollow out mountain, then paid $$ to modernize it after 2001, then decided it was 'too small' in 2006 (apparently nukes weren't a concern anymore) and now has suddenly seen wisdom in moving back into the bunker	[22:32]
asciilifeform	it is an iconic landmark of usa	[22:32]
asciilifeform	probably more recognizable, among a certain public, than the white house.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	setting for, e.g., the film 'war games'	[22:33]
decimation	asciilifeform: you can imagine how it would cramp the style of a high ranking usg 'staffer' to report for duty inside a hole	[22:33]
decimation	it's amazing how the interests of the 'public at large' (even 'usg at large') can be usurped by some bureaucrat who likes a nice window office	[22:34]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:34]
*	BingoBoingo wonders what is being done with Yucca mountain since it hasn't been filled with rads	[22:34]
asciilifeform	decimation: cixi!	[22:35]
decimation	aye	[22:35]
*	asciilifeform proposes that this class of organism be from here on referred to as 'cixies' - pronounced like 'pixies'	[22:35]
decimation	but here's the thing: apparently even the nuclear defense/attack commanders have been 'cixi-ized'	[22:35]
asciilifeform	long ago.	[22:36]
decimation	in the late 50's and 60's the nuclear force was largely run by actual people, who had agendas that made sense	[22:37]
decimation	there are plenty of folks who are willing to pose with 'a hand on the captain's wheel'	[22:37]
asciilifeform	decimation: not especially many bureaucrats ever believed that the rockets would fly. the purpose of investments like this was to bankrupt ussr, by forcing response in kind	[22:37]
asciilifeform	when this was accomplished - there was no further investment	[22:38]
decimation	some of them, yes.	[22:38]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform, decimation: 'cixi' << a reference to the dowager empress?	[22:38]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:38]
asciilifeform	!s cixi	[22:38]
assbot	4 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi	[22:38]
asciilifeform	the only reason she is remembered is for having banned railroad, because locomotive was 'too loud.'	[22:39]
ben_vulpes	and the analogue here is "holes are unpleasant"?	[22:41]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.local10.com/news/bobcat-catches-shark-on-florida-beach/32237440 << Not a bobcat.	[22:45]
assbot	Bobcat catches shark on Florida beach \| News - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1CioaXd )	[22:45]
BingoBoingo	!up jitenm1	[22:45]
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decimation	lol http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-bans-salary-negotiations-to-equalize-pay/ "“Men negotiate harder than women do and sometimes women get penalized when they do negotiate,” she said. “So as part of our recruiting process we don’t negotiate with candidates.	[22:49]
assbot	Reddit CEO Ellen Pao Bans Salary Negotiations To Equalize Pay For Men, Women « CBS San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cipbyi )	[22:49]
decimation	of course reddit doesn't even need to pay employees, what with having a vast reservoir of people who would gladly pay to work there	[22:49]
ben_vulpes	entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	!up jitenm1	[22:51]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888036 << history	[23:03]
assbot	Logged on 22-10-2014 15:45:04; othernubs`: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fnr.20 << thanks for this write up, this would def. need to be patched in. <<< agreed, great writeup, altho evidence seems to point to 0.6.3 being the right choice	[23:03]
ben_vulpes	jesus i will never live that squeeze thing down	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes best quest!	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	that was october	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	feels like a lifetime!	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888209 << aaaah cute mats still had his keys back then	[23:09]
assbot	Logged on 22-10-2014 17:16:44; mats_cd03: this sounds like something i want to be involved in	[23:09]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, http://danielpbarron.com/qntra.asc.txt	[23:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DL3KMl )	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00026491 = 9.6427 BTC [+] {2}	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	But in the spirit of thumbing one’s nose at government overreach, here’s a sampling of unofficial, but highly reputable statistics about Tanzania that might explain what’s going on.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	1. Only a third of children can read in English	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	Like many other African countries, Tanzania has made huge strides in expanding basic services like health and education. The primary school enrollment rate, for instance, is officially at 94%. But “unofficial” statistics suggest the quality of those services is often quite poor.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	hey look at that. tanzanian kids read about as well as us kids.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	except, of course, english is about as relevant to tanzania as korean to the us.	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00026839 = 5.9851 BTC [+]	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	trinque: i need those legacy deeds in deedbot.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	decimation yea, i'm sure THAT's why they don't negotiate.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	not because economy's dead and whoever has "investors" to connect them to the printing teat can simply dictate terms.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs << moar like, entirely transparent admission that "well, mp said he's killing us, we're as good as dead, might as well give up"	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing	[23:18]
trinque	ben_vulpes: alright, I'll put 'em in	[23:19]
ben_vulpes	apropos of nothing, what kind of retarded programming situation even permits for the bitcoin reward overflow bug in the first place?!	[23:19]
ben_vulpes	trinque: thanks man. there's a lot of rebel foundation stuff in there i need published again.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	ilkka kokkarinen, before being forced to choose between eating and blogging (tenure does not exist in canada?) had an interesting piece on the 'stages of progressivism'	[23:20]
trinque	ben_vulpes: no problemo; doin it now	[23:20]
asciilifeform	(1) was 'unthinkable' and (n) - i forget what n equaled - 'mandatory'	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	3. The group is of the opinion that their work was being overlooked because of their politics, and that the Hugo ballots and winners of the last several years were only awarded due to leftist politics and the racial/sexual/gender identities of their authors, not quality. The tenor of the call to arms was explicitly and often resoundingly political–“this is your chance to hurt SJWs.” If you don’t know what an SJ	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	W is, I hope you’re enjoying your new computer. It stands for Social Justice Warrior, which to a normal person sounds like someone who fights for justice and cares about all human beings, and to conservatives like the devil himself. The implication that they then must support injustice seems to be lost.	[23:20]
ben_vulpes	trinque: thanks bae	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	the 'no negotiation' thing left stage-1 long ago, and is worming its way towards n	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	ah that's some top kek lj drama.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for extra plus lulz: i met this person in real life once.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	really, opposing "social justice" implies one supports... injustice ? how about the obvious "social-anything is stupid, for many reasons we won't rehash, and never has anything to do with the vanilla version" ?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	i guess THATs lost.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	fat tranny ?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	"4. None of this is strictly speaking against the rules. It’s unethical. It’s almost laughably petty and mean-spirited."	[23:21]
asciilifeform	female as far as i could determine	[23:21]
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mircea_popescu	o wait. bitching at excellent scientists because they didn't say stupid-thing-x-about-our-aggenda is not laughably petty and outright idiotic.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	social-thinking ftw.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	so the quick version is, english language science fiction -mostly- died long ago	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	".And to an author of integrity, it’s a pointless act of bullying, because if you don’t compete against the best, an award is meaningless."	[23:23]
asciilifeform	when the civilization that it was an ornament on, had died	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform srsly, it never really existed.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	the remaining authors are largely 'wannebees' who wank themselves to sleep every night wishing for a 'minimum wage' income from their drivel;	[23:23]
asciilifeform	a select few - who were able to con someone into printing, and a somewhat larger set of others (friends, family, sex partners) into buying,	[23:24]
asciilifeform	get to earn approx. what a clerk earns, while doing this.	[23:24]
nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities. <<< in fairness, the book was under 100 pages	[23:24]
ben_vulpes	here's to the minimum wage and full employment!	[23:24]
nubbins`	~65 iirc	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	The ballot looks ridiculous. John C. Wright has three nominations in the novella category and six overall, a record. The vast majority of the works are published by Castalia House, a Finnish micropublisher barely a year old and owned, I’m sure coincidentally, by Vox Day. Wisdom From My Internet, nominated in the Best Related Work category, is neither science fiction, nor, strictly speaking, a book, (Edit: many things	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	not books have been nominated in the category, let’s say it’s not an original work) but a collection of right-wing chain emails and one liners–which, among other works	[23:25]
ben_vulpes	may it drain the usg's coffers and drive her to hitherto unprecedented printing sprees.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ^ exactly like that, but in the other stupid colors.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: you might be thinking of academics. the folks i was speaking of, don't get grantola.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	they work largely like 'amway' salesmen once did	[23:25]
nubbins`	<+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels	[23:26]
asciilifeform	browbeating friends, family, colleagues, fucktoys - into 'pleeese buy!'	[23:26]
ben_vulpes	http://pussydestroyer.shithouse.tv/	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally - amway never took off in romania.	[23:26]
assbot	pussydestroyer ... ( http://bit.ly/1anEIFH )	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	reason ? unattached youngish female begging people is usually offered a junior mistress arrangement.	[23:26]
nubbins`	<+asciilifeform> (tenure does not exist in canada?) <<< canada's like a miniature version of usa set back a few years.	[23:26]
decimation	I bet cultures that are largely 'peer to peer' are immune to 'multi-level marketing'	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i suppose one needs the particular idiocies of the us for the particular forms of the us idiocy to manifest.	[23:27]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/	[23:27]
assbot	Coinbase Outgoing Email Hacked \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1anEPkz )	[23:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147950 @ 0.0002579 = 38.1563 BTC [-] {2}	[23:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: didn't ro have its own national 'mmm' though ?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	what was it	[23:27]
asciilifeform	'caritas' ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	<+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels << hey, if obama can save the economy...	[23:28]
decimation	I was thinking in the sense that 'why should I buy from your dumbass amway when I already have a guy for that'	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yup.	[23:28]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: you savvy "food stamps"?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	decimation no, it's more like "why would a pretty girl like you go do this whorish stupid thing ?"	[23:28]
decimation	heh	[23:28]
decimation	in the us most of these schemes are 'sold	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	"do a proper whorish thing instead."	[23:29]
decimation	by old women	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	mostly tried with "students" in .ro	[23:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: some of these people may or may not get various pensions, handouts, etc. mostly - not.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	ie, the 17-29 demographic	[23:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: in the case of the woman linked earlier, my understanding is that she is largely funded by husband - a swell chap, from ru, of approximately my age, whom i also met once.	[23:30]
ben_vulpes	wai wut woman?	[23:30]
ben_vulpes	surely i'm not that drunk yet i thought we were talking of ilka	[23:30]
trinque	punkman: hey dude, what's the encoding of the old deeds table's deed field?	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	shame on him for not beating hr.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the one who wrote the 'hugo awards' thing	[23:31]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: ilkka is/was a finnish chap	[23:31]
trinque	punkman: it's a blob with dunno what inside	[23:31]
nubbins`	i'm making breakfast cereal from scratch :o	[23:31]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i was speaking of c. valente	[23:31]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: that is what i thought!	[23:31]
asciilifeform	1LLkNuQQ2GkS5DmQzsTxCmErUH8ew6dnDi from qntra << nothing but dust in there	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what did you scratch ?	[23:32]
asciilifeform	poor sc4mz0rz	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was exactly 0 when first reported here.	[23:32]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu special sour yeast starter 8)	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	lol k	[23:32]
asciilifeform	i wonder how long until sp4mz0rz start simply posting addrs in commentspam	[23:32]
nubbins`	"have a scratch, then bake it; natch"	[23:32]
asciilifeform	to pick up the dust from idiots at noblis	[23:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10552 @ 0.000251 = 2.6486 BTC [-]	[23:33]
nubbins`	srs tho, been making cereal for about a month now. top yum	[23:33]
ben_vulpes	i already have my own poet, can't be arsed with more.	[23:33]
nubbins`	i may never buy honey shreddies again	[23:33]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Fi46BFAF0	[23:34]
assbot	Nautical Disaster - Day for Night - The Tragically Hip - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1anGjvl )	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3c458c5e5fd92a27ce76e51ed5c07a87/tumblr_nf9cygEhX31qetydwo6_1280.jpg	[23:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1anGnLv )	[23:34]
ben_vulpes	hey i did a shoot like that once!	[23:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: plot: poor gurl starved long enough, time to put out of misery	[23:35]
ben_vulpes	heh	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda bare...	[23:35]
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ben_vulpes	failed to satisfy master while starving, time...	[23:37]
trinque	that prominent mons scared my weechat	[23:37]
ben_vulpes	trinque: "prominent mons" << hyu	[23:38]
asciilifeform	also terrible lack of even attempt at realism	[23:38]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11023214#msg11023214	[23:38]
assbot	[2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1anHdYE )	[23:38]
nubbins`	top kek	[23:38]
asciilifeform	pistolero one-handed, victim - ignores wide open space in front of cocked hammer	[23:39]
nubbins`	oh man.	[23:43]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31utl3/could_we_make_a_silk_road_for_medicine_where/	[23:43]
assbot	Could we make a "silk road for medicine", where users can buy not only medicine, but medical advice? Tipping for feedback. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1anI1ga )	[23:43]
nubbins`	sorry, i know all i'm doing is pasting links today	[23:43]
nubbins`	but the lels, oh jesus	[23:43]
nubbins`	a silk road for "medicine"	[23:44]
nubbins`	where USERS	[23:44]
nubbins`	can BUY. MEDICAL ADVICE.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: laugh, but it is only funny because these folks have not invented wot yet.	[23:44]
nubbins`	the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers	[23:44]
*	nubbins` pours drink, watches	[23:44]
asciilifeform	they are discussing how to build tv set without having discovered electricity as of yet.	[23:45]
nubbins`	"Hi, I'm an attorney. I want to describe what I consider to be inherent problems with this."	[23:45]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, did you intend to move the first footnote? I meant for it to go with the sentence about where Coinbase's response came from.	[23:45]
trinque	nubbins`: that black chick that was doing the cement ass injections would be great for the site	[23:46]
nubbins`	i can only imagine the horrors behind that statement. agreed.	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: I did. Not a fan of footnotes above the read more link, looks confusing on the front page.	[23:47]
trinque	http://gawker.com/5861135/cement-and-glue-butt-injection-doctor-has-unbelievable-curves << sorry for gawker, pic worth it	[23:47]
assbot	Cement-and-Glue Butt Injection 'Doctor' Has Unbelievable Curves ... ( http://bit.ly/1anINKa )	[23:47]
asciilifeform	l0l, 'fix a flat' !	[23:48]
trinque	asciilifeform: with a name like that how could you not inject into your arse?	[23:48]
danielpbarron	aight i'll keep that in mind for future articles	[23:48]
asciilifeform	(for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air)	[23:49]
asciilifeform	i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept	[23:49]
BingoBoingo	i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept << Wait your fire extinguisher isn't under the seat?	[23:50]
ben_vulpes	yeah that's a demerit	[23:50]
ben_vulpes	trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	(for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air) << Also pretty much guarentees you need a new wheel after use	[23:50]
trinque	later... "BingoBoingo \| bitch my whole car is a fire extinguisher"	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Not yet.	[23:51]
trinque	BingoBoingo: good work	[23:51]
trinque	* ben_vulpes ^	[23:51]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it's the traditional small extinquisher, meant for use on motor, not on self or passengers	[23:51]
decimation	BingoBoingo: yeah but the point is to inflate wheel enough to make it to tire vendor	[23:51]
asciilifeform	i am now wondering if you folks have halon or what in there.	[23:51]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Amall dry powder in passenger compartment, CO2 in trunk except summers	[23:52]
BingoBoingo	decimation: That's what undersized spare in trunk is for	[23:53]
BingoBoingo	*Small	[23:53]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the point is to avoid cranking the jack in the cold rain, etc.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	mud on your suit	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: So you don't have a "dining fly" style tarp rig in your trunk?	[23:54]
trinque	also if you're a tranny it makes for great womanly curves	[23:54]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: and how on earth would it nuke your wheel	[23:54]
asciilifeform	tire - yes	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The fix a flat adheres to the wheel's metal. Also tends to deploy unevenly. wheels in the best case need scraped after use, in worst case become malformed	[23:55]
decimation	only after driving on them for awhile	[23:56]
nubbins`	"Update: Some of you have suggested that Morris might have body dysmorphic disorder. If that's the case, we hope she finds a professional who can guide her away from excessive plastic surgeries and toward self-acceptance."	[23:57]
nubbins`	IF THAT'S THE CASE	[23:57]
nubbins`	"sorry, we didn't realize this obvious mental illness had a name"	[23:57]
*	asciilifeform used this type of product many times, had tires repaired, never noticed this effect - at one point even drove for entire year on such a tire.	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	decimation: "a while" is not a very precise measurement	[23:57]
decimation	between 100 and 1000 miles	[23:58]
decimation	maybe even longer	[23:58]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: iirc the 'state of the art' shrink practice is not 'self-acceptance' but prescription of mutilations	[23:58]
asciilifeform	e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc.	[23:58]
*	BingoBoingo always been sold on not using fix a flat without first person experience.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it has obvious caveats, such as being violently explosive	[23:59]
*	BingoBoingo also generally suspicious of build quality of vehicle parts	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ?	[23:59]
decimation	it's all shit that falls apart	[23:59]

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