Forum logs for 07 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: yes. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html [00:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1aEveH3 ) [00:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElPEkl ) [00:00]
ben_vulpes ty, asciilifeform! [00:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nubbins` was able to replicate result. [00:00]
asciilifeform and i think someone else ( danielpbarron ? ) [00:00]
asciilifeform decimation: you want a 'cisco cable' [00:01]
asciilifeform decimation: it goes into the rj45 jack on the left. [00:01]
decimation yeah I think I have one somewhere [00:01]
asciilifeform decimation: 115200 baud, 8N1 [00:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00028522 = 1.2501 BTC [+] {2} [00:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16567 @ 0.00029012 = 4.8064 BTC [+] [00:05]
decimation ah it's just debian, can use apt-get [00:05]
asciilifeform wai why ? [00:06]
decimation to install warez [00:06]
asciilifeform no you don't [00:06]
asciilifeform just pull the usb [00:06]
asciilifeform back it up (or replace with another) and put new os on that. [00:06]
asciilifeform access uboot from the serial console, or, if replacing with another uboot, do so from the new os [00:06]
decimation interesting here's the partition layout [00:06]
decimation Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [00:07]
decimation /dev/sda1 2048 292863 145408 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) [00:07]
asciilifeform (how old one behaves with regards to replacing uboot, i cannot say) [00:07]
decimation /dev/sda2 292864 3710975 1709056 83 Linux [00:07]
asciilifeform sda1 contains the kernel [00:07]
asciilifeform sda2 is root fs [00:07]
decimation yeah [00:07]
decimation and it starts at 2048, so that's probably the bootloader? [00:07]
asciilifeform why they did this - cannot say. possibly the responsible man last used linux in 1997 [00:07]
asciilifeform uboot on this box lives, apparently, in nor flash [00:07]
asciilifeform sorta like pogo [00:07]
decimation yeah, boot partition just has kernel [00:08]
asciilifeform thing has jtag pins, iirc [00:08]
asciilifeform so can be 'unbricked' if new uboot is botched [00:09]
asciilifeform without soldering [00:09]
decimation that's what I was wondering [00:09]
asciilifeform a standard jtag probe of whatever kind you're partial to (i like 'bus blaster') and a copy of openocd is all you need [00:10]
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asciilifeform 'As evidence, consider that in version 5.5.4 of the AirMax firmware, the kernel was modified such that the MTD partitions would be read only, however this change cannot be found in the corresponding kernel patches or source.' [00:11]
decimation ^I have 'edgemax' [00:11]
asciilifeform ^ lulzies! they very much don't want you replacing that uboot. [00:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [00:11]
asciilifeform one doesn't need an expert usgologist to say what happened here. [00:11]
mircea_popescu no i saw that. [00:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00028012 = 7.9974 BTC [-] {2} [00:11]
asciilifeform what exquisite idiocy [00:11]
asciilifeform i bet reflash fails silently if done from edgeos [00:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo you have one somewhere iirc ? try this [00:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have/had plans to acquire one [00:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: worth your while for the epic public rape of the morons [00:13]
asciilifeform to the extent they were not already raped in the 'liberty bsd' piece and in this here thread [00:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why the patches have to stay unpublished. [00:13]
decimation asciilifeform: they have weird stuff mounted for storing configs: [00:15]
decimation none on /opt/vyatta/config type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nr_inodes=300000,mode=775) [00:15]
asciilifeform i think i can see why ubiquiti was picked for this particular role in the usg shitgnome muppet theatre [00:16]
mircea_popescu It was the first, and being first, was best, but now we lay it down to ever rest. Now pause with me a moment, shed some tears. [00:16]
mircea_popescu For auld lang syne, for love, for years and years of faithful service, duty done, I weep. Lay down thy packet, now, O friend, and sleep. [00:16]
decimation they seem kinda derpy software-wise [00:16]
mircea_popescu ^ i had no idea cerf was also a poet. [00:16]
mircea_popescu shit's pretty good. [00:16]
asciilifeform it sold routers that gave very reasonable performance for 1/20th the cost of cisco et al [00:17]
asciilifeform these became popular, presumably, with 'orcs' on a budget [00:17]
asciilifeform also note how there is none of this (or the other let's-sell-boobietrapped-goods-to-persians) 'shartups') in the snowden releases. [00:18]
decimation http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/ERLITE-3_U-Boot [00:18]
assbot ERLITE-3 U-Boot - Crashcourse Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8EMR5 ) [00:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's not a bad point. [00:19]
asciilifeform 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from the USB drive and boots it [00:19]
asciilifeform .' [00:19]
asciilifeform ahahahahahahaha. [00:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it -is- possible that he had some but none made it past the greenwalds [00:20]
mircea_popescu it is possible he never had any through no fault of his own. [00:20]
asciilifeform and the schneiers [00:20]
asciilifeform that - also possible [00:20]
decimation ^ascii, one wonders if you can replace the 'failsafe' [00:21]
mircea_popescu like if i behead you i might not get any pancreas tissue on the blade. [00:21]
asciilifeform aha exactly like [00:21]
asciilifeform would have to behead lengthwise [00:21]
mircea_popescu not necessarily proof that you weren't beheaded. [00:21]
asciilifeform correct. [00:21]
asciilifeform decimation: if it's in the nor, can be replaced, only question is how [00:21]
decimation asciilifeform: ah! /dev/mtdblock0 [00:26]
decimation admin@ubnt:/dev$ cat /dev/mtdblock0 | hexdump -C | head [00:26]
decimation 00000000 10 00 01 3f 00 00 00 00 42 4f 4f 54 bf 6a 14 53 |...?....BOOT.j.S| [00:26]
decimation 00000010 00 c0 00 01 00 02 4e 22 00 06 70 20 67 0c 5e e5 |......N"..p g.^.| [00:26]
decimation 00000020 ff ff ff ff c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 |................| [00:26]
mircea_popescu ha [00:26]
decimation 00000030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| [00:26]
decimation * [00:26]
decimation 00000200 10 00 02 08 24 1a 02 00 10 00 02 04 00 00 00 00 |....$...........| [00:26]
decimation 00000210 10 00 02 02 00 00 00 00 10 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 |................| [00:26]
decimation 00000220 10 00 01 fe 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 fc 00 00 00 00 |................| [00:26]
decimation 00000230 10 00 01 fa 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f8 00 00 00 00 |................| [00:26]
decimation 00000240 10 00 01 f6 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f4 00 00 00 00 |................| [00:26]
mircea_popescu he didn't paste the whole thing did he [00:26]
decimation heh no [00:26]
decimation asciilifeform: would you be interested in a dump of that? [00:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82433 @ 0.00029149 = 24.0284 BTC [+] {4} [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9617 @ 0.00029242 = 2.8122 BTC [+] [00:41]
* asciilifeform went & got some of the spiders out of his mircea_popescu's-conference-travel-trunk. now back [00:46]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. [00:47]
decimation there are apparently 3 'images' [00:47]
decimation mtd0,1,2 [00:47]
asciilifeform drop it somewhere it won't be tampered with, & sign it (ok if you wanna gpg it to wot folks instead of publicly) [00:47]
asciilifeform though i can't fathom they'd have the gall to try censoring uboot as 'warez' [00:48]
asciilifeform it being gpl and all [00:48]
decimation it appears mtd0,1 are identical [00:48]
asciilifeform decimation: then this'd be it [00:48]
decimation I think you can download the 'open source' turds from ubquiti [00:49]
asciilifeform decimation: see earlier link re: this [00:49]
decimation mtd2 appears to be a configuation area, it starts with a hex string that equals my h/w serial number [00:49]
asciilifeform decimation: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090249 [00:49]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:30; BingoBoingo: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol [00:49]
mircea_popescu decimation so they have TWO hidden ones ? [00:49]
mircea_popescu that do what, test for identity ? [00:49]
asciilifeform decimation: probably licensing turd for their proprietary kmod [00:50]
asciilifeform that and for boobytrap [00:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090538 [00:50]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 03:14:49; asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads [00:50]
mircea_popescu i thought for a moment they had three copies. [00:51]
asciilifeform won't someone buy one of these things and hook up to jtag bugger driven with gdb, and post instruction stream ? [00:52]
asciilifeform i have one, yes. but not the time. [00:52]
asciilifeform i still don't get this: [00:53]
asciilifeform could the idiots not be bothered to ship -separate- turds to ir ? [00:53]
asciilifeform why did it have to be so obvious. [00:53]
asciilifeform is it a plot to waste -our- time ? [00:53]
decimation asciilifeform: do you think that jtag will show something that these mtd turds don't [00:54]
asciilifeform decimation: i bet there is obfuscation. so dynamic analysis might be appropriate [00:54]
asciilifeform but ideally, both. [00:55]
decimation possibly. it would probably require considerably detailed examination to watch the thing boot [00:55]
mircea_popescu i really dunno why we'd give a shit. [00:55]
asciilifeform first, look to see if copy-1 does anything -other- and load & jump to copy-2. [00:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because this could be just the necessary lethal stab to the 'nuclear iran' shillfest. [00:56]
mircea_popescu ... [00:56]
mircea_popescu aren't you a little late ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu iran is a nuclear power now. obama said so himself. [00:57]
decimation ^ to be clear, I have edgerouter, not 'airmax' [00:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: su was also nuclear power, didn't keep the buggers from shipping diddled tech there by the gigatonne [00:57]
decimation no he said that they would have to wait awhile and fill out usg forms [00:57]
mircea_popescu decimation from what i've seen, the deal with iran is exactly like the deal with cuba and every other deal conquered US has entered into : [00:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the racket in question here is where usg plays hand-muppets and runs faux 'we're l337, we sell to 1r4n' at the same time as 'proletariat united against ir nukes' on the other muppet hand [00:58]
mircea_popescu they agree to everything the op demands, and pay for the paper memorializing it. [00:58]
decimation yeah but usg ensures that they have a press op where they say the opposite [00:59]
asciilifeform nothing punctures shitgnomes like a public, non-plausiblydeniable still-smoking 'nsakey' unhinted at in any 'leak' [01:00]
mircea_popescu i guess. [01:00]
asciilifeform incidentally, usg doctrine is that 'fresh' nuke powers don't really 'count' - much as usa did not count in 1947 because, elementarily, not enough of the specific industrial base to secure a steady supply of nukes [01:01]
asciilifeform they believe that it can be 'undone' as SAR was [01:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00029246 = 9.695 BTC [+] {2} [01:03]
asciilifeform in other news: cryptome is hosting a malicious pdf... http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-ptpof.pdf [01:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGez1p ) [01:03]
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BingoBoingo !up Vexual [01:06]
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asciilifeform i do not know the payload yet. [01:06]
asciilifeform but srsly wtf [01:06]
asciilifeform and why did it have to be so obvious. [01:06]
mircea_popescu in yet another shade of lulz : berkshire does not offer its many directors dso. because buffett believes you know, officers should face the music like any other shareholder. except it does offer it to buffett. because... [01:07]
asciilifeform dso? [01:08]
mircea_popescu insurance for being on a public corp board. [01:08]
mircea_popescu d&0 not dso. [01:09]
asciilifeform what does it insure against ? [01:10]
mircea_popescu any liability that may attach to one from his being a director or officer. [01:11]
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asciilifeform iirc it is not permissible in usa to insure against criminal prosecution [01:11]
asciilifeform at least, not directly [01:11]
* asciilifeform ianal [01:11]
mircea_popescu this'd be for civil not for criminal matter. [01:12]
asciilifeform aha. [01:12]
decimation asciilifeform: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Lost-password/td-p/490573 > "Creating 3 MTD partitions on "phys_mapped_flash": 0x000000000000-0x000000080000 : "boot0" 0x000000080000-0x000000100000 : "boot1" 0x000000300000-0x000000310000 : "eeprom"" [01:12]
assbot Lost password? - Ubiquiti Networks Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGgS4k ) [01:12]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://proudtobeafilthyslut.tumblr.com/post/107315640663/dirtiestdepravedfilth-happy-new-year [01:13]
assbot Self-Proclaimed slut | dirtiestdepravedfilth: [01:13]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform how can you tell that cryptome pdf is laced ? [01:13]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: buggy [01:14]
pete_dushenski hmm [01:14]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: in that it demands to be viewed on genuine winblows crapobat [01:14]
asciilifeform explicitlu. [01:14]
pete_dushenski that's pretty fucked [01:15]
asciilifeform decimation: eeprom !?! [01:15]
Vexual here, jewintro, rub the front and the back of your hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE [01:15]
asciilifeform incidentally.... [01:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu so i finally mod'd your fix_trackbacks.php, uploaded it, and... it doesn't even show up. now i'm supposed to call customer support or some shit [01:15]
asciilifeform http://hilo90mhz.com/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-erlite-3-internal-usb-storage-fail << phison !!! [01:15]
assbot Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ERLite-3 – Internal USB Storage Failure | hilo90mhz ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGhG9q ) [01:15]
asciilifeform don't throw it out! [01:16]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski lulwat. [01:16]
asciilifeform phisons are rare, precious [01:16]
asciilifeform (or soon to be.) [01:16]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, it does appear to contain something specific to their hardware [01:16]
decimation in the airOs mtd2 is labeled 'kernel' [01:17]
decimation but as we already established, the kernel is in the usb key [01:17]
Vexual here i remember when that kid rode in on a tricycle [01:17]
joecool phison, now that's a name i haven't heard in awhile [01:17]
asciilifeform !s phison [01:17]
assbot 3 results for 'phison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phison [01:17]
asciilifeform srsly? [01:17]
joecool my ancient eeepc 901 had phison ssd's in it, first ssd's i ever had [01:17]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu http://contravex.com/fix_trackbacks.php << my understanding is that this should yield errors if it doesn't work, but it's blank as a freshly painted wall. [01:18]
asciilifeform joecool: phison is a maker of cheap usb keychain drives that contain general-purpose micros. an ad hoc sdk was published recently. i had something quite like it, unpublished, in 2012; and hell knows how many other folks also did [01:18]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski didja set up your db pw etc in there ? [01:19]
asciilifeform you can convert the thing into a disk that perverts blocks in a particular way, or emulates a keyboard and types in obscenities, etc, etc. [01:19]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i did indeed, though you're right that i should fiddle with those values because there's a reasonable chance i got them wrong! [01:20]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu btw should "table_prefix" be set to "wp_comments" or similar ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu mmm [01:22]
mircea_popescu i think the structure's copied after wp-config or /we the file is called where wp keeps its password in plaintext. [01:23]
mircea_popescu so w/e you got there. [01:23]
decimation of interest in the 'macrofab' podcast: apparently they load the pick n' place with house parts only, and all the other 'unique' chips for each design are hand-placed [01:24]
decimation they do all the assembly in houston, but currently contract pcb out [01:24]
decimation but they are looking into in-house pcb for 24-hour turnaround assembly! [01:25]
asciilifeform decimation: their 'hand-placed' probably involves a mechanically-cranked apparatus. or someone with much better hands than i [01:25]
decimation I suspect they pay good rates for competent techs [01:25]
decimation they are 'angel funded' but I think he said they can turn a profit at current prices [01:25]
asciilifeform who, one might wonder, do they use? chinese gurlz flown in for the occasion ? [01:26]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu ok, i'll keep crackin' [01:26]
asciilifeform or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ? [01:26]
decimation asciilifeform: I suspect retired old women who worked in electronics assembly [01:26]
asciilifeform at any rate, this is not 'woodcollector' and i don't much give a hoot -how- the parts get on the board [01:27]
asciilifeform so long as they - do.. [01:27]
decimation he said they use trays with mixed chips [01:27]
asciilifeform decimation: trays are typically for items above soic16 or so in size [01:27]
asciilifeform at all small houses [01:27]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu and thx for the tech support :) [01:27]
decimation they found all of their machines used at auction [01:28]
asciilifeform i have trouble believing they put 0805 resistors on by hand, ever [01:28]
asciilifeform because, elementarily, there is no reason to, if you have the machine. [01:28]
decimation no, he said those would go on p&p [01:28]
decimation they go down to 0402 on the p&p [01:28]
asciilifeform decimation: but if not 'house part' ? [01:28]
decimation well, if in large quantity, in p&p, otherwise by hand [01:28]
asciilifeform virtually none of my items were 'house' [01:28]
decimation I suspect mostly hand placed [01:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00028957 = 10.6562 BTC [-] [01:29]
asciilifeform if so - someone has excellent hands and ought to be earning a living horseshoeing fleas for a flea circus or the like. [01:29]
decimation heh there are such folks [01:29]
decimation apparently houston has 30 assembly houses [01:29]
decimation so there's probably a quantity of skilled labor [01:29]
asciilifeform surgeons once did (still do?) have the habit of tying knots in fishing line inside a matchbox, every day [01:31]
asciilifeform (very short piece of line) [01:31]
asciilifeform decimation: most 'assembly houses' do nothing remotely like placing any quantity whatsoever of 0402 by hand [01:31]
asciilifeform for any amount of money [01:31]
decimation asciilifeform: they probably use something like http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/manual-systems/mpp-21-pick-and-place-system [01:32]
assbot Manual Pick and Place Machine, Low Cost SMT System, Model MPP-21 DDM Novastar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGlw2k ) [01:32]
* asciilifeform almost bought this item once [01:32]
asciilifeform i'll let herr woodcollector decide if this counts as 'by hand'. [01:32]
decimation heh [01:33]
decimation well, with that I must retire, good evening [01:33]
decimation !down decimation [01:33]
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Vexual poor fuck is prolly suicide oney on aussie dollar [01:33]
* Vexual says no rate cut [01:34]
Vexual its monyly oney [01:34]
asciilifeform wut [01:34]
Vexual well the rba is going to say in less than aminute whether or not they change the interest rate [01:35]
Vexual it will have an effect on foreign exchange markets [01:35]
Vexual and.. the market was wrong [01:36]
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mircea_popescu heh there are such folks << yeah, ever since surgery moved to computers. [01:40]
Vexual who gives a shit about the aussie dollar now anyway [01:40]
mircea_popescu most of them unemployed [01:40]
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Vexual why can't i trade sundried tomatoe futures? its supposed to be the fooking future [01:51]
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Vexual !s hotsauce [01:52]
assbot 3 results for 'hotsauce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hotsauce [01:52]
Vexual cute [01:53]
Vexual there an article in the afr about fast algos on treasury bonds, and its wanting [01:56]
Vexual let me find the name [01:58]
Vexual prolly "staff writer" [01:58]
Vexual nope i think someone stole the tech pages [01:59]
Vexual here it is,; shapiro [02:00]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjw-OkMv3w [02:01]
Vexual and page 16 is trolli [02:03]
Vexual choke on your cherry kid, you dont get it [02:04]
Vexual tell the editor you want the article on one page, otherwise it editorial [02:05]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090780 << actually, that's how people compile code these days. jam and autom4te. [05:52]
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kakobrekla i guess it will be relevant for some; [06:00]
kakobrekla http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host [06:00]
assbot Using the docker command to root the host (totally not a security issue) // reventlov's silly hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV0Dz ) [06:00]
kakobrekla rehashed again https://reclaim-your-privacy.com/wiki/Anonabox_Analysis [06:00]
assbot Anonabox Analysis - Reclaim Your Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV1rl ) [06:00]
kakobrekla http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/04/8565469/students-fret-over-venmo-payments-alleged-drug-dealer [06:01]
assbot Students fret over Venmo payments to alleged drug dealer | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKUZQ8 ) [06:01]
kakobrekla https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption [06:01]
assbot ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV2vi ) [06:01]
mircea_popescu o.O [06:01]
kakobrekla also lulzy https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-15-090-03 [06:01]
assbot Hospira MedNet Vulnerabilities | ICS-CERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV3Q3 ) [06:01]
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kakobrekla > Shellshock was almost discovered a decade ago... http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but then it wasn't. [06:01]
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mircea_popescu "A representative for Venmo would not respond specifically to the question whether they were helping police with their investigation into Getzler" [06:02]
kakobrekla lol check it out > anonabox bad news: can get a root shell via local ipv6 with hardcoded root password "admin" [06:02]
mircea_popescu aint that weird. [06:02]
mircea_popescu dude the way the world spins. the dons of the 50s didn't approve of drugs, at all. then in the late 60s it was like, "whatever, sell them to blacks, they don't have a soul anwyay". then in the 80s it was "whatever, sell them but don't let anyone know". by now it's like... "sell drugs and write opinions for the spectator and send the customer list spam emails to upvote you" [06:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla wait im still digesting your dump lol. [06:04]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile "criminal possession in the seventh degree", they are going to run out of degrees. best talk to imperial china for some more degrees. [06:05]
mircea_popescu and columbia's not even a party school. [06:07]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes check it out yo, docker's no good >:D [06:09]
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vorandrew Put some options quotes [06:19]
vorandrew BTC/USD [06:19]
mircea_popescu http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but << this is actually a pretty great read. [06:19]
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mircea_popescu "If the siteA string is empty, it is taken to be the local machine. A target like @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@victim would cause high load by recursive finger invocations, and could be used to contribute to a DOS attack. Michael H. Warfield reports that in a SUN NIS environment it is easy to kill a network using finger." [06:25]
mircea_popescu heh. [06:25]
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mircea_popescu "So yeah, the Anonabox appears to be working but it is downright shocking that the WiFi connection is running unencrypted. Anybody within range of the Anonabox can connect to the network and sniff all network traffic." [06:43]
mircea_popescu it's fucking weird it uses wifi i nthe first place o.O [06:43]
mircea_popescu wouldn't you want your tor router quietly on a cable ? [06:43]
mircea_popescu that Lars Bøgild Thomsen dude... nice work on the anonybox piece of crud. however... he's embedding facebook, running a wiki and a phpbb forum he wants you to comment on, there's no way to leave a comment on his article (wp blog) without "being logged in" and in general what the shit already. [06:52]
mircea_popescu "BACKGROUND Hospira is a US-based company that maintains offices in several countries around the world." ... srsly ? us-cert.gov is a pr service now ? "please god anything, some text in here to dilute this shit o lord" [06:56]
chetty that must be logged in or use whatever social media thing is getting very annoying for sure [06:56]
mircea_popescu and for the record, github has given up on being on the web. http://dpaste.com/0ZQN8Q7 [06:57]
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mircea_popescu who the fuck thought this is a good idea ? [06:58]
mircea_popescu let's make glibc no longer compile statically and github not work. that'll make the foss so much better. [06:59]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/6fb23babc4e23a4f710c4112e52af62e/tumblr_nhkmfmRhb41tonrdjo1_400.gif [07:00]
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mircea_popescu in today's lol at people who are not lawyers but think they are : quora has a tos and a special-for-usg tos. the tos says it's the only agreement between user and quora. the special-for-usg tos says "language in the Quora ToS and Quora Privacy Policy indicating it alone is the entire agreement between the Parties is waived" [07:46]
mircea_popescu sadly... this isn't how this works. [07:46]
mircea_popescu but in any case, the comparison between the two is kind-of funny, for the very bored student of decaying empires, and of the cruft their decay pushes into the margins. [07:47]
* punkman fondly remembers the "by entering this website you promise you aren't a USG agent" [07:48]
mircea_popescu that was a thing ? [07:49]
mircea_popescu "Quora hereby agrees not to serve or display any third party commercial advertisements or solicitations on the profile page of any user who uses the Quora Services on the Agency's behalf as identified by associating a .gov or .mil email address with the Quora account" [07:49]
punkman oh yeah, super common in the olden days [07:49]
mircea_popescu etc. lol. [07:49]
mircea_popescu punkman was this on script kiddie venues ? [07:49]
punkman various things like that, yes [07:50]
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punkman http://recode.net/2015/04/06/u-s-announces-first-antitrust-e-commerce-prosecution/ [08:08]
assbot Man Prosecuted for Price Fixing on Amazon Marketplace | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Chf4cc ) [08:08]
mircea_popescu ahaha what [08:22]
mircea_popescu "saying a man has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to illegally fix the prices of posters he sold online." [08:23]
mircea_popescu posters. [08:23]
punkman there's a ton of companies selling price fixing software, they call it "repricing" [08:24]
mircea_popescu meanwhile you can't get a competing quote on your fucking health insurance. [08:24]
punkman maybe the guy didn't pay enough taxes? [08:24]
mircea_popescu but hey, protecting "the american consumer" from price fixing in commodified markets by actors who are in no way in control of the production flux is worth the federal dime now. [08:25]
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funkenstein_ good morning [08:52]
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funkenstein_ takes me all day to (barely) catch up on logs here [08:52]
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funkenstein_ i hope i get quicker [08:52]
funkenstein_ !up dub [08:52]
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mircea_popescu you're not teh only one. [08:53]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/John_Brennan_CIA_official_portrait.jpg << why's this guy have such a thug mug, and wtf happened to his eyes ? [08:53]
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mats https://github.com/emsec/ChameleonMini/ [08:55]
assbot emsec/ChameleonMini · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1afLHAs ) [08:55]
funkenstein_ am i correct in summing up turd polishing discussions, that once DNS is fully removed static linking will be back on the table? [08:56]
mats contactless smartcard emulator. [08:56]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ static linking of what ? as far as bitcoind specifically goes, iirc nubbins` reported he managed one. [08:57]
funkenstein_ yes bitcoind. I'm glad to hear that, i was worried by some of the discussion revealing more issues in gcc / linux. [09:01]
funkenstein_ "version" : 50301, [09:02]
funkenstein_ "balance" : 0.00000000, [09:02]
funkenstein_ "blocks" : 339415, [09:02]
funkenstein_ lunchtime, back soon [09:02]
mircea_popescu lulziest shit of all time : "Drone strikes are associated with decreases in both the frequency and the lethality of militant attacks overall and in IED and suicide attacks specifically." ~RAND Corporation. [09:04]
mircea_popescu orly ? this is like romanian electoral polling data. strictly contradictory to plain evidence, but hey, "it's an institution!111" [09:04]
mircea_popescu yeah. an institution you made for the purpose of putting out false "studies". [09:04]
mircea_popescu meanwhile everyone in pakistan thinks the us the enemy, and their interior minister thinks ~2k out of ~2k strikes actually missed their mark and killed random people instead. [09:05]
chetty that publishing of 'studies' and 'polls' may be one of the greatest ills of our times [09:20]
funkenstein_ A is associated with decreases in the frequency of A [09:22]
funkenstein_ more is less [09:23]
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funkenstein_ https://nacla.org/news/2015/04/06/where-argentine-debt-case-stands-now-and-why-it-still-matters [10:08]
assbot Where the Argentine Debt Case Stands Now, and Why it Still Matters | NACLA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk7Fi0 ) [10:08]
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nubbins` hi [10:18]
nubbins` i did indeed report one [10:18]
nubbins` can post the turd if anyone's curious, but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd [10:19]
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nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> posters. <<< oh fuck [10:19]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu:what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw <<< my current boot order is mmc->usb->tftp->nand [10:22]
nubbins` altho fwiw i suspect tftp-boot just hangs if there's no kernel present on the wire [10:23]
nubbins` ben_vulpes:perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around? <<< it's a bit of a frankenstein... i run make pogoplug_defconfig and then i run make nconfig to set a handful of extra flags [10:24]
nubbins` haven't had the time to actually diff a .config before and after and turn it into a patch [10:24]
nubbins` but in nconfig, you'll need to enable at least: large file (>2gb) support, ipv6 support, rpc support, wchar support, c++ support, stack protection [10:25]
nubbins` some of those maybe can be ditched once bitcoind gets trimmed down... but these are all just toolchain options, so if you can bear the extra compile time, it's not like it'll make your kernel any fatter [10:26]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i took it you were working on teh instructions [10:29]
nubbins` duod they're right there ^ ! [10:29]
mircea_popescu "but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd" [10:30]
mircea_popescu where ? [10:30]
nubbins` oh THOSE instructions, yeah [10:30]
nubbins` still can't replicate the build [10:30]
nubbins` :( [10:30]
mircea_popescu lol. k. [10:30]
nubbins` i know *what* to do -- rip out unused parts of boost with bcp -- but i keep cracking eggshells in the batter [10:31]
mircea_popescu on the "compile time" front, i'm happy to announce eulora got tested on ancient athlon i + 768 mb ram and ancient nvidia 5k series vid card. it compiles in like an hour, and runs. [10:31]
mircea_popescu 0.5 fps, but nevertheless... [10:31]
nubbins` i saved my entire bitcoind dir from the successful build, so i know precisely which boost headers and libs are needed [10:31]
nubbins` just can't figure out the BCP options to auto-strip the crud [10:32]
nubbins` may have to just to a manifest and then modify pinkposixw/e's script [10:32]
nubbins` mircea_popescu woo! [10:32]
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mircea_popescu still testing to see what'll be minimum rec spec, but anyway. [10:33]
mircea_popescu doesn't look like it'll be an issue [10:33]
nubbins` exciting [10:35]
nubbins` when's the conference anyway [10:35]
nubbins` wait, isn't there a thing? [10:35]
nubbins` %conference [10:35]
nubbins` or something [10:35]
mircea_popescu 16-18 [10:35]
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nubbins` o fun, i'll be in cleve-land thne [10:37]
nubbins` *then [10:37]
mircea_popescu cleveland ?! [10:37]
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nubbins` yah [10:39]
nubbins` imagine [10:39]
nubbins` lil nubs in the medium city! [10:40]
nubbins` i'll be seeing this guy [10:42]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFEOBJBiWg [10:42]
assbot Sufjan Stevens - Casimir Pulaski Day & Jacksonville @ ACL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3SZbN ) [10:42]
nubbins` and these guys [10:42]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0 [10:42]
assbot Lightning Bolt " Dracula Mountain " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T2o6 ) [10:42]
nubbins` and these! [10:42]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRJ8XM9-n4 [10:42]
assbot Metz "Wet Blanket" (live) -- Polaris Music Prize 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T4MK ) [10:42]
nubbins` the juxtaposition isn't quite clear w/o viewing the videos, unfortunately [10:43]
mircea_popescu oh i c [10:44]
mircea_popescu hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown [10:44]
mircea_popescu this isn't a good isng is it [10:45]
nubbins` almost certainly no [10:46]
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nubbins` wow, one of woodcollector's shills turned on him, and now wc's socks are accusing the shill of being wc [10:53]
nubbins` this is some daytime-drama shit [10:53]
mircea_popescu yeah it's dead. [10:53]
mircea_popescu a well. was a great mobo [10:53]
mats http://oilpro.com/announcement/713/opec-faces-750bn-losses-market-share-strategy [10:55]
assbot OPEC Faces $750bn Losses From Market Share Strategy - Oilpro ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3VCKO ) [10:55]
nubbins` well, there goes $20/barrel... [10:56]
mircea_popescu lol [10:57]
mircea_popescu bs, marginal doggies barking. [10:57]
mircea_popescu what the fuck do the dollar values even mean ? the dollar's worth in 2020 is drastically indeterminate [10:57]
mircea_popescu and that applies to pricing goods. oil above the dollar in the pricing hierarchy. [10:57]
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nubbins` this is true [10:59]
mats http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/110320151 [10:59]
assbot Baghdad not sincere about KRG budget [10:59]
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nubbins` mats, drop bombs on x for a decade and a half and see how sincere the Xers are about anything [11:00]
mats "When the last KRG delegation visited Baghdad, it was told that the [Iraqi] government literally has run out of money." [11:00]
mats kek'd [11:00]
nubbins` LITCHRALLY [11:00]
mircea_popescu lol [11:00]
nubbins` run out of money [11:00]
nubbins` as if this is a problem [11:00]
mats "A month before Maliki left office, there were $18 billion in the Development Fund for Iraq at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, plus the KRG’s share of 2014’s budget. When Abadi was sworn into office, there was only $1 billion left." [11:01]
mircea_popescu "Other governments, urged by the IEA and IMF, will reduce or eliminate subsidies to end users of petroleum products. Such modifications to end-user price regimes are most easily implemented when consumers perceive prices to be relatively low. Robert Mabro correctly anticipated such developments following the 1986 oil price collapse. OPEC members will end up with an even smaller percentage of the end-user value of their [11:01]
mircea_popescu principal export than they received prior to adopting the market share strategy – and this will be a permanent shift." [11:01]
mircea_popescu derp. opec must sell less oil because otherwise we will steal even more of their revenue via internal taxation. [11:01]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AvU2cfXRk [11:01]
mircea_popescu logic. [11:01]
assbot Clarke and Dawe - Quantitative Easing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1oMse ) [11:01]
mats lol. [11:01]
nubbins` ^ worth a watch [11:01]
mircea_popescu mats what exactly do the americans expect local traitors to do other than steal as much as possible ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu that's the entire fucking point. why exactly else would maliki or anyone else EVEN TALK dumbass.gov ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu what, they like nuland or something ? [11:02]
mats who knows. i'm sure most of the staff guys over there are busy avoiding locals for fear of catching a bullet. [11:03]
mircea_popescu "bring a billion or two, we'll take you out tonight" [11:03]
mats ye good ol' "green on green" [11:03]
nubbins` ahahahaha these guys [11:03]
nubbins` srsly [11:03]
nubbins` "once you ascertain you have the alignment correct, you open the window, alert the banking sector, and press 'print'" [11:04]
mircea_popescu "John Gault is Co-Director, Executive Master in International Oil and Gas Leadership, The Graduate Institute, Geneva." [11:05]
mircea_popescu srsly. [11:05]
mircea_popescu co-director & executive master of the international word word leadership fictional entity, geneva. [11:05]
nubbins` who is john ga... oh, you just said [11:06]
nubbins` (MFW ayn rand died on social assistance) [11:06]
mircea_popescu after a fashion. [11:06]
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mircea_popescu all sorts of experts experting expertly. [11:06]
mats this 'Executive Master' construct is new to me [11:06]
mats imma add that to my list of titles. [11:06]
mircea_popescu i kinda imagine "the graduate institute" to be like... the film, the graduate. except in an institution. [11:07]
mircea_popescu mats i suppose ima import it in my harem. i can be the master, and the slavegirls could be executive masters. [11:07]
mats heh [11:07]
mircea_popescu socialist bdsm. [11:07]
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danielpbarron height=316322 vs height=221389 [11:20]
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funkenstein_ ohio has been mentioned a few time here recently so [11:37]
funkenstein_ www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDiggEp-hw [11:38]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-silent-as-he-arrives-for-senate-expenses-trial-1.3022689 [11:49]
assbot Mike Duffy silent as he arrives for Senate expenses trial - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1wuCK ) [11:49]
nubbins` fuck mike duffy [11:49]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i don't get what the issue is. can you summarize ? [11:54]
nubbins` duffy was caught a while back charging a ton of frivolous expenses to his senate expense account [11:54]
nubbins` like a house he never lived in [11:54]
nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal [11:55]
assbot Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1yr27 ) [11:55]
mircea_popescu ah, so plain fraud. mkay. [11:55]
nubbins` unanswered is why the Canadian senate is stuffed with washed-up former journalists [11:55]
nubbins` and nobodies like Patrick Brazeau [11:55]
nubbins` who, after being suspended from the senate, got a job at a strip club and threw his girlfriend down a set of stairs [11:56]
nubbins` oh also [11:57]
nubbins` https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/can.general/Ay0OqlUwdWk [11:57]
assbot Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1z6k0 ) [11:57]
nubbins` It was all on live TV yesterday morning. Pierre Trudeau's grieving ex-wife had come to view the Centennial Flame shortly after a ceremony marking the departure of his coffin to a funeral train bound for Montreal. Margaret Trudeau was trying to compose herself and nodded quietly as people offered their condolences. [11:58]
nubbins` Suddenly, somebody pushed his way through.  Margaret turned and said "Oh, hi Mike," and smiled broadly.  "This was Misha's birthday," the man said, referring to the Trudeaus' youngest son Michel, who died two years ago.  Her face froze and she burst into tears.  She turned around and quickly walked away.  "It's Michel's birthday today," she said in a strained voice to those around her. "I didn't remember." Michel, the youngest of her [11:59]
nubbins` three sons with Trudeau, died nearly two years ago in an avalanche and his body was never found. [11:59]
nubbins` ladies and gentlemen... mister mike "dr. robotnik" duffy [11:59]
nubbins` somewhat more succinctly from the toronto star: "In 2000, four days after Pierre’s death, Margaret went out. She was confronted by a TV reporter, the punchably cruel Mike Duffy, now a senator, who barked at her, “How do you feel today, Mrs. Trudeau? Have you remembered it’s Michel’s birthday?” She collapsed." [12:01]
nubbins` "punchably cruel" is nice [12:02]
mircea_popescu who's trudeau ? [12:02]
mike_c danielpbarron: experiment is over, yes? given pace over the last few days the slow version is literally never going to finish. [12:02]
nubbins` former prime minister pierre trudeau, who famously enacted the war measures act in 1970 when couple politicians got kidnapped and murdered [12:03]
nubbins` "what of the bleeding hearts?", he was asked [12:04]
nubbins` "let them bleed" [12:04]
mircea_popescu so then what problem do you see ? [12:04]
nubbins` only that the senate is full of subhumans [12:05]
nubbins` appointed by our own lizard hitler, stephen harper [12:05]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu incidentally, trudeau's son (because this is what politics in north america is now) is currently the leader of the national liberal party, w/ maybe a 50-50 shot at the big seat next election [12:10]
mircea_popescu lol [12:10]
nubbins` srs. [12:10]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSpZ3_5pTc [12:11]
assbot Justin Trudeau -- Patrick Brazeau Charity Boxing Match -- English Coverage of Complete Fight - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1Ck7f ) [12:11]
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nubbins` there's trudeau and the strip-club-managing, girlfriend-stair-down-throwing senator... /boxing each other/ [12:11]
mats http://log.b-a.link/?date=07-04-2015#1090422 << similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. [12:12]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 02:43:33; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?) [12:12]
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mircea_popescu oh motherfucker. [12:21]
mircea_popescu fine. that's it. i'm gifting a friggin bitcoin and whatever, the gods have spoken. [12:21]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT [12:25]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [12:25]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT.txt [12:25]
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mircea_popescu yay. cool. [12:25]
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mats http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/us-tnt-express-m-a-fedex-idUSKBN0MY06G20150407 [12:26]
assbot FedEx to buy TNT for $4.8 billion to take on rivals in Europe [12:26]
punkman oh great [12:29]
mircea_popescu all things must be shittified. [12:30]
punkman TNT was reasonably fast last time I used them [12:30]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu:hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown << what did you do to it [12:55]
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ascii_field http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/politics/power-outage-washington-dc << mega-l0l [15:22]
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lobbes 'The power went out during the daily State Department briefing, with Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf using a phone light to continue taking questions from reporters.' << heh [15:35]
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punkman do all power outages make the news over there? [15:51]
ascii_field no. [15:51]
ascii_field quite certainly not. [15:51]
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ben_vulpes dc really is the center of all american rot, isn't it? [15:58]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: at least on paper [15:59]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: in practice, rot is a very 'peer2peer' affair [15:59]
ben_vulpes brownouts and power outages *do not happen* here. [15:59]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear [15:59]
ascii_field but i'm not in dc city gates proper [15:59]
ascii_field it is quite unusual there. [15:59]
ben_vulpes this is madness, man. [16:00]
ascii_field 'no, it is sparta!' [16:00]
* punkman just replaced old UPS [16:00]
ascii_field at present time, i have a massive double-converting ups [16:00]
ascii_field before that, a ferroresonator [16:00]
ascii_field before that, a dynasty of ordinary ups, which tripped so often that they frequently died [16:01]
chetty well with the greenies shutting down power plants all over its only gonna get worse [16:01]
ascii_field chetty: largely a cover for existing infrastructural decay. [16:03]
ascii_field the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long [16:04]
ascii_field it also shows where the -actual- usg priorities are [16:04]
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ascii_field (-not- the elected muppets, for one thing) [16:04]
ascii_field mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves. [16:05]
ascii_field afaik that is where the bulk of the 'salable' vulns actually come from. [16:09]
ascii_field anyone interested in becoming this kind of 'agricultural' labourer - knows where to go. [16:10]
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chetty I cant help but find it delicious it hits dc [16:14]
ascii_field chetty: wake me up when it hits something important [16:16]
chetty jajajajaja [16:16]
ascii_field (for n00bz: the subcontractors which do most of the practical 'usg-ing' are headquartered largely in north virginia, and have massive backup power and other every other conceivable luxury, large and small, on the grounds.) [16:17]
chetty well as I heard the power went out in 'useful' places, the white house,the state department ... :D [16:23]
ascii_field useful l0l [16:23]
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BingoBoingo http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts." [16:33]
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ben_vulpes "wheels have had a shaky beginning - several have fallen over when their rotational inertia dropped below critical stability thresholds or ran into other unforseen obstacles." [17:01]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: wut [17:03]
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ben_vulpes ascii_field: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091103 [17:04]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 19:28:16; BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts." [17:04]
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ascii_field l0l [17:04]
BingoBoingo Oh, I was loling over "Mt Gov" [17:04]
ben_vulpes haw [17:05]
ben_vulpes looked like an x at this tiny fontsize [17:05]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Well there's two solutions to your problem. Optometrics or Moar fontsize. [17:10]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: it's a bit more complex than that. fontsize is nearly irrelevant, as i parse visually first by the structure of the code and then by wordshape. mispellings are rare, due to backround jobs that compile/evaluate text buffers on save and linters that have rules about symbol definition. [17:12]
ben_vulpes my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape [17:12]
BingoBoingo Option 3, More Screen [17:12]
ben_vulpes i've got 2 24" monitors. [17:13]
ben_vulpes 'tain't enough. [17:13]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: desk not full - could have moar [17:13]
ben_vulpes indubitably. [17:13]
ben_vulpes but for now, this is adequate. [17:13]
ascii_field when full - can hang'em up [17:13]
BingoBoingo Consider 4 36"s I say from my adequate to purposes 11.6" screen. [17:13]
ben_vulpes hyu [17:14]
mats hue [17:14]
trinque https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bHLR3faI7lU/hqdefault.jpg [17:15]
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trinque http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/ph/Global/seasia/image/2005/9/stack_of_monitors.jpg << hah there you go ben_vulpes [17:17]
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ben_vulpes heh yeah something like that, trinque [17:30]
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ben_vulpes there's a van with a setup akin to that first link in Snow Crash of which i was always enamore.d [17:30]
ben_vulpes enamored* [17:30]
ben_vulpes what I *really* want, though, is not even a desk but 2 six-axis arms that keep my keyboard and monitors in the appropriate ergonomic relationship. [17:31]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field wasn't me [18:01]
mircea_popescu but from what i gather, it got the 6 pin cpu power in its 8 slot [18:01]
ascii_field l0l [18:02]
ascii_field magic smoke ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear << you and fucking indians, i swear. [18:02]
mircea_popescu everybody warned me when i came here, "o may gawd power outages". i ended up overprovisioning power by such a wide berth it's ridiculous. [18:02]
mircea_popescu a village's worth of african children could have gone through prostitution school for that dough. [18:03]
ascii_field aha i recall, that diesel trailer [18:03]
mircea_popescu i saw ONE power outage in a year, which was most likely the building bus being old. [18:03]
ascii_field outages are not even as annoying as brownouts and, especially - spikes [18:04]
mircea_popescu i've seen neither of those. ever. [18:04]
ascii_field generator does nothing against these [18:04]
mircea_popescu spikes used to be reasonably frequent in the 80s in ro. but not major spikes, just, 5-10% sort of things. but then they upgraded the infrastructure and it no longer relies on its own inductance [18:05]
mircea_popescu so pretty much gone [18:05]
ascii_field spikes were a perennial plague in su [18:05]
mircea_popescu yeah well, probably because they're running on obsolete romanian transformers [18:05]
ascii_field to the point that it was a given that a tv set would have a 'stabilizator' underneath, buzzing steadily [18:05]
mircea_popescu like fucking india [18:05]
ascii_field (ferroresonator) [18:05]
ascii_field iirc india runs on old su gear wholesale. [18:06]
mircea_popescu yeah, because why make the 100kv transformers weigh 180 tons. make them 24 and then fuck up the entire power supply. [18:06]
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ascii_field the type of habitation traditional in american suburbs makes civilized power distribution astronomically expensive [18:08]
mircea_popescu ah [18:09]
mircea_popescu o wow, fucking sprawl. you probably can't just get a huge 100kv - 2kv stepper and feed a whole neighbourhood, must have like 100kv - 12kv - 1,x kv multistep hu [18:09]
mircea_popescu h [18:09]
ascii_field 120v (america) also entails 2x the current for given wattage, on the low transformer end [18:10]
ascii_field >> more copper [18:10]
mircea_popescu o.O [18:10]
mircea_popescu allthewrongchoices.jpg [18:10]
ascii_field similar to situation with net pipes [18:10]
ascii_field early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint [18:11]
mircea_popescu the 120 volt choice was a bad idea. [18:11]
ascii_field it is a marvel that they didn't stick with edison's direct current grid [18:11]
ascii_field think of the 'l337 job creation' [18:12]
ascii_field a substation on -every- street... [18:12]
ascii_field it was a bad idea -inherited directly from edison dc grid- [18:12]
mircea_popescu myeah [18:12]
ascii_field (for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.) [18:13]
ascii_field http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0 << edison dc grid turned off in '07 ! [18:13]
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mircea_popescu you know... the more i think of this the more it appears a major strategic problem for the us. larger than fucking isis, larger than the chinese fmi, larger even than their inability to maintain railroad infrastructure. [18:14]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures [18:14]
ascii_field used... where else, today? zimbabwe ? [18:14]
mircea_popescu think : in the coming economy, the ability to easily get good clean power in the 10 to 100kw range of european towns is going to weigh very heavily [18:14]
mircea_popescu because production in future is going to look more like your garage than ford factory. [18:15]
mircea_popescu so the fact that giancarlo milanese can ask for a 380v line today and have it working in may whereas joe washington can't even get it... well... [18:16]
mircea_popescu if you got stuff to do you move. [18:16]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: one thought that i can't possibly be the first to think is that miners have a tremendous incentive to get off their government mains grids. [18:16]
ascii_field (gives away their position, among other problems) [18:16]
mircea_popescu not where that rose is getting cut. [18:17]
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ascii_field ? [18:17]
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mircea_popescu cheaper for miners to cut the head of the governments in question than to create alt-powergrid. [18:18]
mircea_popescu you're thinking of govt as this fixed item. it is the least fixed item of all. [18:18]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: power grids as we know them are an inherently totalitarian institution [18:18]
mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with authority. [18:19]
ascii_field literally centralized power, by design [18:19]
mircea_popescu there's somethin wrong with authority in the hands of the stupid, [18:19]
mircea_popescu but that never lasts. [18:19]
ascii_field egypt went on for a good long while, iirc. [18:19]
mircea_popescu stupid is a relative term. [18:20]
funkenstein_ maybe people will finally turn off the lights [18:20]
mircea_popescu why would people ever do that ? [18:20]
mircea_popescu i'd run the lights if the lights ran on your liquefied babies. [18:21]
mircea_popescu some things are important. [18:21]
funkenstein_ not street lights [18:21]
mircea_popescu oh, those. [18:21]
mircea_popescu you should see the us lmao. [18:21]
funkenstein_ europe from space at night is quite a sight [18:22]
mircea_popescu they got it in their head that "parking lots are dangerous" because "women get raped" because hey, it's a literary conventions, and nobody can accuse us writers of not being lazy. [18:22]
mircea_popescu nevermind that the rapes that do happen happen in parking garages not lots. [18:22]
mircea_popescu so... now you have to have a pole every 10 meters, and can't even turn because LIGHT OMG [18:22]
mircea_popescu parking lots are scary. [18:22]
mircea_popescu nuts. [18:22]
funkenstein_ could be a good use for all that ammunition [18:23]
mircea_popescu shooting a streetlight is not trivial. try sometime. [18:23]
ascii_field street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near [18:23]
ascii_field (light from adjacent poles falls on you, reflected back to photocell on the light in question) [18:24]
mircea_popescu dude there was a light like that on the road out of timisoara, he was the lol of all time. we'd like visit to make fun. [18:24]
ascii_field especially fun to watch folks suggest nonsensical explanations for the effect [18:24]
funkenstein_ think of their peculiar system of weights and measures <-- nasa made official call to move to metric system once [18:25]
funkenstein_ the order moved down the command chain, arrived in machine shop [18:25]
funkenstein_ request for new tools went back up the command chain.. end of that attempt [18:25]
ascii_field $maxint. [18:25]
ascii_field literally. [18:25]
ascii_field the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war [18:26]
ascii_field so no one ever really took it seriously [18:26]
funkenstein_ lol [18:26]
mircea_popescu yeah, these aren't things people can actually do. [18:26]
funkenstein_ it is conceivalbe to slowly phase in on replacements? [18:26]
mircea_popescu nope. [18:26]
mircea_popescu it's one of those "all at once" things. [18:27]
funkenstein_ slug-feet is is then [18:27]
mircea_popescu which reminds me of a joke : when they entered the eu, the romanians starting bidding on all sorts of contracts. like for instance, a 1947 british rfq to move the country to european style driving. [18:27]
mircea_popescu the police dept of bumfuck offered to write a plan and outline strategy and everything. [18:28]
mircea_popescu the brits were pretty scared. [18:28]
mircea_popescu then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right" [18:28]
ascii_field !b 4 [18:29]
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mircea_popescu the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war << actually, not anymore. the us has already lost so much physical plant since the 50s it might have been through half a dozen world wars. [18:30]
funkenstein_ lol [18:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: ... and i -still- have to keep two sets of drill bits [18:30]
ascii_field and wrenches [18:30]
ascii_field and ... etc [18:30]
ascii_field that was the only real effect of the u.s. botched metric push [18:30]
mircea_popescu and i gotta keep two sets of womenz. what's your point. [18:31]
mircea_popescu not everything fits the same way. [18:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091093 << this much is true. but hey, beats webcams. [18:33]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 19:00:57; ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves. [18:33]
ascii_field webcams ? [18:33]
mircea_popescu ascii_field there's exactly three things a woman can do with herself that doesn't work as the housemaid of a dude. [18:33]
mircea_popescu one is working the pick-n-placers. the other's working the masturbatrons. the third's you know, "using her head", as in, this fuzzer, that fuzzer... [18:34]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: there are quite likely more women in the deep-water oceanic oil prospecting industry than in vuln digging [18:34]
mircea_popescu the sortage is generally, "whether she thinks she's pretty", "whether she thinks she's smart" [18:34]
mircea_popescu ascii_field mno. [18:35]
mircea_popescu every farm i ever saw was eastern european / azn women. like, 9:1 women or more. [18:35]
ascii_field not same as spam farms [18:35]
ascii_field assuming that is what mircea_popescu was thinking of [18:36]
mircea_popescu at the level we're discussing here, there's really no difference between working as " gawker vp of pr" or working as "candi19874 on myfreewebcams". srsly. [18:36]
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ascii_field but between looking for 0days and these two items - yes, difference [18:37]
mircea_popescu yes. because this is for "girl think she's pretty" and those for "girl thinks she's smart". [18:37]
mircea_popescu but difference between spam farm and 0day farm, and "code farm" generally .. also nil. [18:37]
ascii_field i have yet to meet, or even hear of, any females in that business other than the two or three world-famous ones [18:38]
mircea_popescu these are the three female professions. the differences within them are minute. [18:38]
mircea_popescu ascii_field why would you ever meet them ?! [18:38]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: let's phrase it this way - my circle 3 degrees out includes perhaps a thousand such slaves, and i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females. [18:39]
mircea_popescu weird. [18:39]
ascii_field this is not 'god's word' but hearsay, yes. [18:39]
mircea_popescu maybe strange cultural difference at work ?! [18:39]
ascii_field possible [18:39]
mircea_popescu the argument i always hear is, "dudes have no focus and can't be trusted to pay the fuck attention" [18:40]
ascii_field the pick-n-place argument, yes [18:40]
mircea_popescu eh, pick and place is like waitressing. so you missed a spot. big deal. [18:40]
ascii_field same with fuzzing [18:40]
ascii_field the next slave will notice what you missed, is the notion [18:40]
mircea_popescu yeah but you need to know / learn a shitload more to do this than to wipe the table / put the pin in the hole. [18:41]
mircea_popescu and to learn you must read. and dudes don't read. [18:41]
ascii_field for what it's worth, my hypothesis for the maleness of the profession is that it is the very epitome of greenspun's tournamentmarket [18:41]
mircea_popescu no it's not !? [18:41]
ascii_field virtually the whole motivation comes from 'what if -i- catch the big one' [18:41]
mircea_popescu they make a salary. [18:41]
mircea_popescu uh. they wouldn't even know if they did. [18:42]
ascii_field many ways to make salary [18:42]
ascii_field mircea_popescu -might- be thinking of a different profession than i was [18:42]
mircea_popescu am i ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu how would 0day slave distinguish between what he's told he's doing (unit testing) and what he's actually doing ? [18:42]
ascii_field if it's one that includes gurlz to any detectable extent, then almost certainly [18:42]
ascii_field aha mircea_popescu was thinking of testers/qa. [18:43]
mircea_popescu it's how you look for 0 days! [18:43]
ascii_field nope [18:43]
ascii_field any more than pigs make ham [18:43]
mircea_popescu you hire a huge team of those and cut the job up to them [18:43]
ascii_field it is butchers who make ham [18:43]
mircea_popescu oh, then yes we were thinking of very different things. [18:43]
ascii_field the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc [18:43]
mircea_popescu but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there" [18:44]
ascii_field the folks i was speaking of - determine whether said crash was exploitable [18:44]
ascii_field normally they forgo the meat robots and use scripts [18:44]
ascii_field this practice is traditionally called 'fuzzing' [18:44]
mircea_popescu no, fuzzing is when you forego scripts and use humans. [18:44]
mircea_popescu because humans to some degree heuristic. [18:44]
mircea_popescu the thing where you use scripts is bruteforce i guess. ripper-it [18:44]
* ascii_field suspects a 'national' variation in terminology [18:45]
mircea_popescu mebbe so. anyway. [18:45]
ascii_field over here, 'fuzzing' is done with machines. [18:45]
mircea_popescu testament to over there illiteracy. [18:45]
mircea_popescu there's nothing fuzzy about a numeric machine. [18:45]
ascii_field we spoke, for instance, of fuzzing gpg format. [18:46]
mircea_popescu !s fuzzing gpg [18:46]
assbot 0 results for 'fuzzing gpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fuzzing+gpg [18:46]
mircea_popescu no we didn't :D [18:46]
ascii_field 'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed [18:46]
mircea_popescu what if no code ? [18:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091117 << this is a bad idea and it will make you as blind as an old jew. [18:49]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 20:07:39; ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape [18:49]
mircea_popescu listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. [18:49]
ascii_field whaddayamean no code [18:51]
ascii_field was speaking of raw cpu instructions. [18:51]
mircea_popescu ah ah [18:51]
mircea_popescu i dunno, i'm not aware it's a solved problem. [18:51]
ascii_field not 'solved' as such [18:52]
ascii_field but there are productive approaches that don't reduce to pure brute strength [18:52]
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ascii_field but only -mostly- [18:52]
mats instrumenting tool e.g. afl plus qemu [18:52]
ascii_field aha [18:52]
mircea_popescu and Brittany Leanne Parten, 23 were arrested << o.O [18:52]
mircea_popescu "Court records say the laughing men initially tried to use a broomstick for the deed, which was videotaped on a cell phone. But then one of them said, “I have something better” and retrieved a chorizo sausage from the station’s refrigerator, the records say." [18:53]
ascii_field jurov: it -is- [18:54]
jurov "i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females" was about which occupation then? [18:55]
mats https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/868-How-Heartbleed-couldve-been-found.html << uses afl! [18:55]
assbot How Heartbleed could've been found - Hanno's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlIn4J ) [18:55]
jurov spam farms? [18:55]
ascii_field jurov: spam farms is what mircea_popescu might have thought i was speaking of [18:55]
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mircea_popescu i srsly think your distinction is entirely arbitrary. [18:56]
mircea_popescu the "spam farms" and the monkey-on-a-stick farms where microsoft code is actuallywritten, and this stuff... really, what's the difference ? [18:56]
mircea_popescu people coming out of any of them come out with the same sorts of "ideas" [18:56]
mircea_popescu (for a real world example, the derp with the btctc exchange is certainly a victim) [18:57]
mircea_popescu i suppose this may be the issue, i classify culturally, ie, by the beast's mental excrement. ascii_field you prolly classify by some sort of "what the job is". as if jobs actually are about something. [18:57]
ascii_field the difference is, as al schwartz phrased it, 'does your assembly line require phds? if yes, your firm is doomed' [18:58]
mircea_popescu heh. [18:58]
mircea_popescu "Heartbleed is a read buffer overflow. What that means is that an application is reading outside the boundaries of a buffer. For example, imagine an application has a space in memory that's 10 bytes long. If the software tries to read 20 bytes from that buffer, you have a read buffer overflow." [18:58]
ascii_field and yes, to me - jobs are about something. [18:59]
mircea_popescu for the record, this seems to me disqualifyingly dumb. [18:59]
mircea_popescu ascii_field not these jobs. these jobs are about the narrative in the "worker's" head. [18:59]
ascii_field that's not called industry, that is called 'psych ward' [18:59]
ascii_field 'i am a carpenter.' 'show me some wood.' - patient pulls out wad of own shit [19:00]
mircea_popescu !s engineering psychiatry [19:00]
assbot 0 results for 'engineering psychiatry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineering+psychiatry [19:00]
mircea_popescu orly ?! [19:00]
ascii_field !s engineer psychiatrist [19:00]
assbot 0 results for 'engineer psychiatrist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineer+psychiatrist [19:00]
ascii_field b0rk3d [19:00]
mircea_popescu srsly. [19:00]
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ascii_field the tool which mats linked to requires having source, yes [19:10]
ascii_field it is only moderately difficult to build a variant which does not. [19:11]
ascii_field (exercise for alert reader!) [19:11]
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ben_vulpes listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. << why aren't you talking about arc-seconds?! [19:13]
mircea_popescu moreover, that's not what a buffer overflow is. [19:13]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes because arc seconds don't actually matter in this discussion. [19:13]
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ben_vulpes 1cm doesn't make sense in that 1 cm is huge if close and tiny if far away [19:14]
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mircea_popescu but as long as it's 1cm you'll seat yourself at a convenient distance. [19:15]
pete_dushenski that depends on desk, keyboard configuration too [19:16]
mircea_popescu if you're looking at much finer detail you push it in too close and do all sorts of damage. [19:16]
pete_dushenski scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/07/foreign-aid-assuaging-your-guilt-and-ruining-lives-since-forever/ [19:17]
assbot Foreign aid : assuaging your guilt and ruining lives… since forever. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlOnsv ) [19:17]
ben_vulpes that's an interesting normalization, mircea_popescu. [19:17]
mircea_popescu the body is complex, the brain the most complex part, and the circuitry that drives vision the most complex of that. let it work rather than try to be smarter than it on fewer neurons. [19:17]
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pete_dushenski a family physician i know also recommended looking at least 20 ft away from the screen every 20 mins to allow eyes to relax [19:19]
mircea_popescu the specifics vary, but the red thread always is, "the thing works fine, the less you fuck with it the longer you'll enjoy it." [19:20]
ben_vulpes yes but whence the 1cm number -- whence!? [19:20]
ascii_field i can also tell that the work of mircea_popescu is not ever i/o bound. [19:21]
mircea_popescu ascii_field like how ? [19:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that is a mystery. [19:21]
ascii_field in that try reading disassemblies with 1cm tall characters. [19:21]
ascii_field and see how far you get [19:22]
mircea_popescu hey, i am not proposing every blind figurine carver can be a king. [19:22]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes sorta like why is the golden ratio so golden ? [19:22]
trinque bind size up/down sensibly, good to go [19:22]
mircea_popescu im just proposing that people don't cook like they're carving figurines. [19:22]
pete_dushenski mm so think nachinka, not netsuki [19:23]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: foreign aid article << it's a surplus-burner [19:26]
pete_dushenski but where do you see surplusses? [19:27]
mircea_popescu now that's a q eh. what surpluses. [19:27]
ascii_field 'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely [19:27]
ascii_field internal affair....' (orwell's 1984) [19:27]
ascii_field of free time, for instance [19:27]
mircea_popescu except the us is not particularly hierarchical, and it has no surplus of anything. [19:27]
mircea_popescu if it were doing that it'd bring back the draft. [19:28]
mircea_popescu but the "aid army" w/e it was called never took off. [19:28]
pete_dushenski "peacekeepers" [19:28]
mircea_popescu best thing that could happen to the us is force every citizen under 18 to live a year in africa. [19:28]
mircea_popescu but not "allow". force. [19:28]
mircea_popescu and shoot escapees. [19:28]
pete_dushenski lol! [19:28]
ascii_field modern usa's 'aid' is about the dough coming back to the right coffers, washed, yes [19:28]
mircea_popescu then import as many african kids to live within the now empty nests [19:28]
ascii_field something rather different than mr o's concept [19:28]
mircea_popescu and after the year let the family pick which one they wish to keep. [19:29]
pete_dushenski china seems to be sending a few, though not all, young men and women to africa, likely to beneficial effect [19:29]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: they live on reservations with no locals permitted, iirc [19:29]
pete_dushenski for the chinese mainly [19:29]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski terribru for them. chinese women that go black definitely won't go back. [19:29]
ascii_field like martian colonies [19:29]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: do the ones who 'go' horse - ever 'go back' ? [19:30]
ascii_field and of which is there more. [19:30]
pete_dushenski ascii_field every country's aid is intended to come back to 'right coffers' [19:30]
pete_dushenski tis my argument at least [19:30]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the whores that go hoarse don't go back, no. [19:30]
mircea_popescu shoulda put hearse in there too i guess. [19:30]
ascii_field horse, mule, ... [19:30]
ascii_field elephant ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu i imagine sea mammals. [19:31]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu terribru for the chinese? does chinese woman really desire random african suitor? [19:31]
mircea_popescu the sea has a +penis effect. [19:31]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i have nfi. [19:32]
ascii_field 'go dolphin, never go back' ? [19:32]
mircea_popescu jus' messin' around a little. [19:32]
pete_dushenski lolk [19:32]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you ever been in one of those cars with memory seats ? [19:32]
ascii_field aha got one [19:32]
ascii_field pretty useless [19:33]
mircea_popescu well, kinda how vagina works. whenever excited, it kinda goes back to wherever it had fun last. [19:33]
pete_dushenski there's no shortage of african gents here, ones crafty enough to game their way over the border, none of whom seem to be knocking up any girlfriends of mine [19:33]
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pete_dushenski that makes the vagina like an old man with a mid- or late-life crisis [19:33]
mircea_popescu lol [19:34]
pete_dushenski buying muscle cars because that's where the fun was! [19:34]
ascii_field muscle computers. [19:34]
mircea_popescu i doubt they actually did it in muscle cars. [19:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20734 @ 0.00027016 = 5.6015 BTC [-] {2} [19:35]
pete_dushenski well, the ones who didn't are now buying the cars to reimagine themselves as the ones who did! [19:35]
ascii_field what will a muscle computer be ..? [19:35]
mircea_popescu 1000 chickens! [19:35]
pete_dushenski given that the sportier metal goes for $100k+, it's the former qb of the football team buying it [19:35]
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pete_dushenski 1000 chickens is more like a muscle grocery store [19:37]
mats ascii_field: there's a decent amount of work done with afl to enable black box testing [19:38]
mats e.g. https://github.com/mothran/aflpin [19:40]
assbot mothran/aflpin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybHZDe ) [19:40]
mats (i spent some time this month experimenting with afl -- good stuff) [19:40]
pete_dushenski ^*it's NOT the former qb... [19:44]
pete_dushenski mebbe the 12-core mac pro, booted with danielpbarron's openbsd hack, will be our "muscle computer" in 30 years [19:49]
pete_dushenski i can't think of anyone else selling desktop hardware for $10k [19:49]
pete_dushenski even if intel turd [19:50]
BingoBoingo what will a muscle computer be ..? << DEC Alpha overclocked and cooled by Olympian means [19:52]
pete_dushenski like so ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-DEC-VX42B-F2-MULTIA-ALPHA-TERMINAL-233MHZ-543MB-HDD-32MB-RAM-FDD-/261816468691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf57a44d3 [19:53]
assbot Vintage DEC VX42B F2 Multia Alpha Terminal 233MHz 543MB HDD 32MB RAM FDD | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybIZHC ) [19:53]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Look for the ones listed with an extra figure or two in their price to this day [19:54]
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pete_dushenski huh [19:56]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-AlphaServer-GS1280-Model-32-with-64GB-memory-and-UNIX-licenses-/370623042762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564adad4ca is a start [19:56]
assbot HP AlphaServer GS1280 Model 32 with 64GB Memory and Unix Licenses | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJeCx ) [19:56]
pete_dushenski um ya. those are straight up servers. [19:56]
BingoBoingo Or for half the price http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DS15-Alpha-Server-2-4-1000MHZ-w-4GB-RAM-IN-A-GOOD-CONDITION-/121333466602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4009c5ea [19:57]
assbot HP DS15 Alpha Server 2 4 1000MHz w 4GB RAM in A Good Condition | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJilL ) [19:57]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, these are potential hot rods [19:57]
pete_dushenski they're pretty fuckin badass is what they are [19:58]
pete_dushenski imagine those in your study, with custom ducting to the outside, just awhirin' away [19:58]
pete_dushenski "whatcha doing, honey, plotting launch trajectories?" "just chatting with the boys" [20:00]
pete_dushenski "At various points in the budgets, [Rand] Paul questions the constitutionality of progressive income taxes, eliminates almost all federal education and housing programs, ends the biggest anti-poverty tax credits, eliminates foreign aid, institutes large defense cuts, slashes the State Department budget by more than two-thirds, and cuts the Food and Drug Administration budget to limit government "intrusion into [20:04]
pete_dushenski the nation’s food supply." " [20:04]
pete_dushenski ^speaking of foreign aid [20:04]
pete_dushenski sounds like paul has himself a functioning head, relatively speaking of course [20:05]
pete_dushenski too bad he looks so dweeby [20:06]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-attemps-janssens-rebuttal/ [20:08]
assbot Vessenes Foundation Attemps Janssens Rebuttal | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5efvq ) [20:08]
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funkenstein_ rand is using bitpay for donations [20:11]
punkman "continue helping on a volunteer basis to help the Foundation during this financially austere time." << austerity strikes again [20:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo top kek ty. [20:15]
punkman https://theageofausterity.wordpress.com/ [20:15]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform a muscle computer is an amd fx + 64 gb of memory + swap on a ssd 1+0 raid array. [20:18]
mircea_popescu coupla grand or w/e. [20:18]
trinque pete_dushenski: it will be interesting to watch what happens there, if anything [20:20]
trinque I supported his father in 2008, felt pretty "mehhhhh" about doing the same by 2012 [20:20]
trinque had his father been elected, the whole rest of the govt would've obstructed any substantial changes he'd want to make, so I don't know what good would've come of it [20:21]
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trinque I suppose he could send the executive branch on extended vacation [20:21]
pete_dushenski fair enough, there's huge bureaucratic momentum, but i'll definitely have some popcorn at the ready for the 2016 run [20:21]
trinque I'd love to see Rand Paul get in [20:22]
trinque but more yes, to do with popcorn than anything else [20:22]
mircea_popescu guy's already a senator neh ? [20:22]
BingoBoingo Rand Paul walks awfully close to the traditional "neo-conservative' line [20:23]
mircea_popescu trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to. [20:23]
trinque there's a vast bureaucracy he could shut down in a day, yes [20:24]
BingoBoingo http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468 [20:24]
assbot North Charleston officer faces murder charge after video shows him shooting man in back - Post and Courier ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5hOSx ) [20:24]
trinque it'd probably result in a power struggle with the congress trying to mandate certain shitty programs remain operational [20:24]
mircea_popescu the thing is, the congress can not tell the president what to do. [20:24]
mircea_popescu merely what not to do [20:24]
mircea_popescu and principally through not giving him money. [20:25]
mircea_popescu as powerless as congress proved itself to be trying to reign in a profilgate obama, [20:25]
mircea_popescu congress is actually entirely powerless to stop someone who does not wish to spend. [20:25]
mircea_popescu there's literally nothing anyone can do to force the president to spend money, a bias that actually comes from the olden days that's never been challenged, ever. [20:25]
mircea_popescu i suppose they could impeach him, of course, but that'll be the lulz of all time. "he was impeached for not spending!!1" [20:26]
BingoBoingo Emergency Powers Act [20:26]
mircea_popescu like "honey, i noticed our credit cards aren't even maxed anymore. i thought you promised to go shopping with the girls ? you know what... fuck this, i want a divorce" [20:27]
trinque heh could he declare an emergency due to infiltration by communists? [20:27]
trinque arrest congress [20:27]
BingoBoingo Arrest Congress during recess, then don't spend... win [20:27]
mircea_popescu trinque in similar circumstances yeltsin ordered the duma bombarded. [20:27]
mircea_popescu he won. [20:27]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GVL3xN4KI [20:27]
assbot #1993coup: Russian White House burns after being bombarded by tanks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5iur4 ) [20:27]
* trinque claps [20:28]
trinque I've met his dad several times, and he's the only politician I've enjoyed speaking to [20:29]
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trinque either Paul would not conceivably stand in the way of bitcoin, among other sane perspectives [20:31]
pete_dushenski by the time 2016 rolls around, there will be no one nuts enough to 'stand in the way' [20:35]
pete_dushenski they'll be pointing the hoover dam at a mining farm [20:35]
pete_dushenski ok, mebbe that's 2036... [20:35]
trinque we shall see [20:38]
trinque by then the hoover dam might be gone, or the colorado river might be dry [20:38]
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pete_dushenski "In a prototype, aluminum was used to make the negatively-charged anode while graphite provided material for the positively charged cathode. A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." [20:40]
pete_dushenski trinque anything's possible [20:41]
funkenstein_ colorado river is already dry when it reaches the grande [20:41]
pete_dushenski https://www.informatica.com << apparently worth $5.3 bn to canada pension plan and permira [20:43]
assbot Informatica: Data integration leader for Big Data & Cloud Analytics ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMEoR ) [20:43]
trinque ipad.. check [20:44]
asciilifeform trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to << and get jfk'd. [20:44]
trinque ^ [20:44]
asciilifeform and he only tried to close one ministry. [20:44]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA [20:44]
assbot Jesse Ventura talks about CIA implanted in State Government, his CIA interrogation and trip to Cuba! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMKgl ) [20:44]
asciilifeform ... A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." << what charges in 1min, can discharge in 1m. [20:44]
asciilifeform there is no counter-argument possible. [20:45]
asciilifeform in fact, typically what charges in 1m can discharge in 1ms. [20:45]
pete_dushenski haha suppose so [20:45]
asciilifeform pink meat mist. [20:45]
trinque in the vid Jessie Ventura recounts being summoned to the CIA to be questioned after election to the minnesota governorship [20:46]
asciilifeform a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead [20:48]
asciilifeform depending on the acuteness of the need. [20:48]
trinque they know not to let another JFK in to begin with [20:48]
asciilifeform and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether [20:49]
trinque Ventura mentions the CIA questioning was about "how did you get elected?" [20:49]
asciilifeform trinque: ergo we know who -actually- rules usa. [20:49]
trinque of course [20:50]
trinque the actual government of the USA is a national security secret... [20:50]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Why did you start me on the ebay wanderings http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Chevrolet-C70-Fire-Truck-beautiful-truck-/191549706046?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c99408f3e&item=191549706046 [20:53]
assbot 1981 Chevrolet C70 Fire Truck Beautiful Truck | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNqSU ) [20:53]
ben_vulpes apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85 [20:54]
assbot KmikeyM.com [20:54]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what is this horror [20:54]
trinque "I'll leave this up to your discretion... if you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you're gonna fine your tail floating in the river. Now you take that back to whoever needs to know it." [20:55]
trinque god damn Jessie Ventura is a bad motherfucker. [20:55]
trinque *find [20:55]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo yw [20:56]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Seriously http://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Ford-Tanker-F-800-/191551890188?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c9961e30c&item=191551890188 [20:57]
assbot 1983 Ford Tanker F 800 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNIJk ) [20:57]
pete_dushenski you're really an emergency vehicle kinda guy eh ? [20:58]
pete_dushenski lemme guess, childhood wall poster of ghostbusters wagon ? [20:58]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Maybe, but now I'm just thinking of the pranks they enable [20:58]
BingoBoingo Also with all of that storage would make a great RV [20:59]
BingoBoingo Fill the thing up with tents, condoms, and lube and you could have a mobile orgy center [21:01]
pete_dushenski and hoses for cleaning off after, i could sorta see it if you were into rv'ing [21:01]
mats lol. [21:01]
pete_dushenski though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv' [21:02]
BingoBoingo And seriously what isn't to like about a giant toolbox that just happens to have wheels and a motor [21:02]
pete_dushenski hard to compete with the price of those old beaters tho [21:02]
pete_dushenski um, other than needing the physical space to store it ? [21:03]
pete_dushenski if you have a farm, then w/e, but avowed urbanites need not apply [21:03]
BingoBoingo What is this storage business. This is the thing you store other things in. [21:04]
pete_dushenski right. in the walmart parking lot where you live. [21:06]
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trinque I'd live in a sufficiently large vehicle [21:06]
mats you people... [21:07]
trinque wouldn't mind getting one of the vw camper vans at some point [21:07]
mats http://www.kansasrvcenter.com/inventory/442567/New-2015-Lifestyle-Luxury-RV-Alfa-Gold-3905SH-Motorcycle-Storage-Area.aspx [21:08]
assbot New 2015 Lifestyle Luxury RV Alfa Gold 3905SH Motorcycle Storage Area Fifth Wheels at Kansas RV Center Chanute Kansas Kansas RV Center [21:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 459 @ 0.00274 = 1.2577 BTC [-] {4} [21:08]
punkman I like this, if only it had less hippies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHGKUh-5O4 [21:08]
assbot Unbelievable House Truck Transforms Into Fantasy Castle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8N1n ) [21:08]
BingoBoingo Firetruck is immenently useful in post USG world. Break out the hoses on former desk jockeys. [21:11]
BingoBoingo Also if you get one with a big tank, maybe some money smuggling freshwater into california. [21:11]
trinque punkman: I wouldn't mind seeing a non-hippy/burner version of that [21:12]
punkman re:monitors https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB49ad5UIAEqgaO.jpg:large [21:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybP8DM ) [21:16]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: jekyll and hyde in america gone horribly wrong [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00027685 = 3.9313 BTC [+] {2} [21:26]
BingoBoingo Where's Africa http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/04/07/countries_that_have_developed_a_smallmolecule_drug.php [21:32]
assbot Countries That Have Developed A Small-Molecule Drug. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQoXw ) [21:32]
pete_dushenski !s backbox [21:33]
assbot 0 results for 'backbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backbox [21:33]
BingoBoingo !s blackbox [21:34]
assbot 8 results for 'blackbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blackbox [21:34]
pete_dushenski was looking for the linux distro.. [21:34]
BingoBoingo http://www.backbox.org/ ??? [21:36]
assbot Home | BackBox Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQG0u ) [21:36]
pete_dushenski mhm [21:37]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there's a reason orlov et al live in boats and not trucks [21:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, but I'm not just contemplating trucks, but trucks with flashing lights! [21:53]
trinque BingoBoingo: put a snow plow on the front too [21:53]
trinque good crowd control [21:53]
asciilifeform land vehicles are not only lacking in the distance-from-other-schmucks aspect of the boat, but in usa are specifically (ianal - check with up-to-date sources) excluded from the juridicial definition of 'home' for the purposes of search&seizure [21:54]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Excluded when moving or on a public right of way. when not moving on any private property they can rapidly convert to domicile [21:54]
asciilifeform iirc, only if said property is your own [21:55]
BingoBoingo Maybe. [21:55]
BingoBoingo Still in international waters pretty much any navy/coast guard reserves the right to conduct colonoscopy [21:56]
asciilifeform likewise, if your vehicle contains a toilet - you are more or less stuck at least frequenting the dismal ghettoschwitzes where such machines are typically kept at anchor [21:56]
BingoBoingo firetrucks don't have toilets, but they have shovels for digging your own toilets as needed [21:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in international waters, they need a reason to take detour [21:57]
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BingoBoingo need is an awfully loaded word considering the incursions on the somali coast by nation-state actors [21:57]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've often wondered who will be the first in this century to fill a fire truck with petrol. [21:58]
asciilifeform the water tank, that is [21:58]
asciilifeform best done on a column of soldiers. [21:58]
asciilifeform don't light it! [21:58]
BingoBoingo I'd be worried about unloading petrol through pump designed for water. Pump might ignite itself [21:58]
asciilifeform it usually sinks in, goes the folk story, before anyone fires. [21:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6190 @ 0.00026897 = 1.6649 BTC [-] {2} [21:59]
asciilifeform surrender - get a shower. [21:59]
BingoBoingo Just have to avoid the tempation to follow the Roman firefighting tradition [22:00]
BingoBoingo Builds ill will with the locals [22:00]
BingoBoingo See Crassus [22:03]
asciilifeform (source of the 'flameless flamethrower' stratagem - u.s. grunts in vietnam, applied to rice paddies with hidden men) [22:05]
* asciilifeform wasn't there, cannot vouch for efficacy [22:05]
BingoBoingo Ah [22:07]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ill believe it when i see it. [22:46]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091529 << exactly zero chances of that sort of dumb shit to stick. [22:57]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 23:43:05; asciilifeform: a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead [22:57]
mircea_popescu it wouldn't stick on anyone else, like p, except they keep confessing like the pastiass dickless shitheads they are. [22:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091532 << o yea ? somehow i dun see it. [22:58]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 23:44:14; asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether [22:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091539 << what is this dumb shit ? [23:00]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 23:48:55; ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85 [23:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091555 << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage. [23:02]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 23:57:31; pete_dushenski: though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv' [23:02]
mats i'm watching "Blackhat" atm, p funny so far [23:03]
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mats .cn sysop uses yubikey at his terminal, "he's using gpg encryption... it'll take me at least a month to crack it... it must be at least a 512 bit key" [23:04]
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mats er, these are distinct things, but anyway. [23:04]
danielpbarron the kmikeym thing is "the first publically traded person" [23:05]
danielpbarron Of course it's not a real share like you might buy on the NYSE or NASDAQ. There is no company behind KmikeyM and so the "ownership" you hold is actually a just a metaphor for trust. We have built a fully-functional market simulation and we borrow a lot of language and concepts from the business world in order to make the process easy to understand. [23:05]
BingoBoingo ... << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage. << But... Firetruck. They put the lotion on the skin, or they get the hose again [23:05]
mircea_popescu yeah. right. [23:05]
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asciilifeform mats: wut. [23:09]
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asciilifeform http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2717822 << l0l! apparently - exists [23:10]
assbot Blackhat (2015) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJ9RzT ) [23:10]
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* asciilifeform cannot bring himself to watch 'hacking' films newer than 'war games' [23:10]
asciilifeform !s zebra hitler [23:10]
assbot 2 results for 'zebra hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zebra+hitler [23:10]
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mircea_popescu i never saw a good "hacking" film. [23:12]
mircea_popescu always loathed the genre. [23:12]
asciilifeform afaik there are none [23:12]
asciilifeform nor could there be. [23:12]
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mats i was told michael mann is known for making relatively accurate movies [23:14]
mats oh wow these chinese shooters don't know how to clear rooms [23:14]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [23:14]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GAKKY9.txt ) [23:14]
asciilifeform who clears rooms by shooting, anyway [23:15]
asciilifeform i thought the civilized way was with frag [23:15]
mats civilized way is with four dudes and a perimeter. [23:15]
BingoBoingo i thought the civilized way was with frag << With flash and bang unless you know walls actually protect yourself [23:15]
asciilifeform 'you enter a room in pairs. first your frag, then you' (ru adage) [23:15]
mats those fatal funnels are a bear. [23:16]
TomServo mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers? [23:16]
mircea_popescu nope [23:17]
TomServo Best 'hacking' movie I can think of.. maybe check it out. [23:17]
mircea_popescu 1992 ?! [23:18]
TomServo That's the one [23:18]
mircea_popescu robert redford dan akroid ok im not watching this. [23:18]
mircea_popescu but thanks for playing. [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34137 @ 0.00027034 = 9.2286 BTC [-] {2} [23:18]
mircea_popescu magical box that breaks secrets, this isn't a film about hacking, this is scherezade in a "modern" color scheme. [23:19]
mircea_popescu has as much to do with computers as with aladin. [23:19]
asciilifeform somebody (greg egan?) had a short story with such a box, that wasn't utterly retarded [23:20]
asciilifeform the catch was that the magical box didn't really break the crypto, but distorted the universe to fit the operator's preconceptions of what the plaintext was. [23:21]
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asciilifeform to lulzy result. [23:21]
mircea_popescu this is why i fucking hate sf. [23:22]
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nubbins` more woodcollector lulz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11015914#msg11015914 [23:22]
assbot [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrls ) [23:22]
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 << neato [23:22]
assbot So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrBU ) [23:23]
mircea_popescu yeh. [23:23]
mircea_popescu mats you rly should add sources to all that, impossibru to follow in snippets like that. [23:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no fucking way. you actually recognized a... WINDOW AND PLUG assembly ? [23:25]
mats sources? the url is appended to the end [23:25]
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nubbins` detective nubs [23:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00027723 = 6.0436 BTC [+] [23:25]
mats the ones that don't, i found on westlaw but not the crawlable internets [23:25]
mircea_popescu ps. nubbins` : Your an idiot, and that is not the argument i am having. [23:26]
nubbins` HEH [23:26]
nubbins` i'm starting to think that it is i who is wc [23:26]
mircea_popescu hanbot yeah i skipped that. [23:26]
mircea_popescu mats ah look at that right you are! nice. [23:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: mats has been on this for a while. I almost contributed then... qntra. Dude's been digging like mad. [23:27]
nubbins` mats doin that homework [23:27]
mircea_popescu 0 In U.S. v. Scarfo (Criminal Action No. 00–404 (NHP)), Politan denied << that one has nothing for instance. [23:27]
mircea_popescu 0 In U.S. v. Friedman (No. 95–CR–192 (S–3)(ARR), < etc. but they do have the indexes so that's pretty good [23:28]
mircea_popescu what was the problem, no internet available data ? [23:28]
mats no data available on the specific action, usually [23:28]
mircea_popescu aha. [23:29]
mats usually data available for the relevant case [23:29]
BingoBoingo ;;google B-52 polar growl [23:29]
gribble B-52s fly to North Sea, Arctic for NATO exercise - Air Force Times: ; POLAR GROWL strengthens Allied interoperability, essential ...: ; Polar Growl strengthens allied interoperability, bomber navigation ...: (1 more message) [23:29]
mircea_popescu !rated mats [23:30]
assbot You have not rated mats. [23:30]
nubbins` damn, no donations to payout address for task 1. [23:30]
nubbins` why'd i spend all that time looking up judge names anyway ;/ [23:30]
mircea_popescu !rate mats 1 Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ [23:30]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc091826ba17d09 [23:30]
assbot So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJcsd0 ) [23:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i thought it was global ? [23:30]
nubbins` mm? [23:31]
mircea_popescu people had a way to donate specifically, if they wanted, but the bulk is global. [23:32]
nubbins` ahh, i see [23:33]
mats i'm fairly convinced this project has gone as far as it can go without professional input [23:33]
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mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "professional" [23:34]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mats.1:060bf7cf7cce64b6ee03db87caa7bb232b33ee77d9fe4a7c4e07fcbfff58b46d [23:34]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ [23:34]
mircea_popescu "and viola Nubbins is a monkeys uncle." [23:35]
mircea_popescu slowclap. [23:35]
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nubbins` morbidly fascinating neh [23:36]
mircea_popescu well... "the people have rights", right ? and everyone's the same, right ? at which point we can spend forever talking over the internet with clearly disturbed ignorant idiot. [23:38]
BingoBoingo mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won [23:41]
mircea_popescu mats how much did you spend on this btw ? [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00027602 = 8.805 BTC [-] {2} [23:45]
mats the legal database access was free due to my use of a university's subscription and something in the neighborhood of 400 hours [23:46]
nubbins` :o [23:47]
mircea_popescu no i meant time [23:50]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:51]
mircea_popescu this has to be a meme. mats pic and the caption "i don't always go on research binges on the internet. but when i do, we're talking 400 hours bish!" [23:51]
punkman nubbins`: lol, how many accounts does that guy have on the forum [23:51]
mircea_popescu nubbins` your such an idiot man. [23:52]
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mircea_popescu i did it in my digital print dirivitive. also i added some ants, because it kinda looks like a spider web which makes sense. [23:53]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Alt flameless flamethrower, various ergot products and DMSO [23:55]
punkman ants love playing in spider webs [23:55]
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mircea_popescu "i have 0 cookies and am so locked down that i have to log in every time a page changes" [23:57]
nubbins` in the meantime, i realized that another one of his old customers is also into casascius coins, as he bid on my auction [23:57]
mircea_popescu 7.5 proxies. [23:57]
nubbins` so it's uh, not just blazed that paid the guy $$$$ for wood :o [23:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this was considered by various folks (in somewhat different variant) and the answer is that the product breaks down in water unacceptably quickly. [23:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i have my doubts blazed paid him anything. [23:57]
mircea_popescu more like "here's something, say you paid me a lot for it, it'll look good on both of us" [23:57]
mircea_popescu sorta like ver "invested" in whatever the shit. [23:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Can store seperatley though, especially in complex apparatus with multiple pumps and tanks [23:58]
asciilifeform mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won << considerably more interesting than pogo linux [23:58]
* assbot gives voice to decimation [23:58]
mircea_popescu different things, not serializable. [23:58]
asciilifeform (which, after all, is a pretty standard 'we have a router, now let's a linux' affair) [23:58]
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mircea_popescu "I'm calling you out on this one, answer or lose whatever credibility you had because there is 1 MILLION percent no way you have a single shred of proof that i am anyone or anything especially some guy in vietnam who sells wooden shit and if you ain't going to back up your BS i will rally every single body that you pulled your fake "probable alt of _____________" and lead a campaign of ensuring you never have the credi [23:59]
mircea_popescu bility to do it again." [23:59]
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