Forum logs for 07 Jan 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
dub | The point to Bitcoin is that you can choose your own level of trust in an external service. One of our group's members, Patrick Strateman, came up with a scheme whereby a wallet could be recovered algorithmically using an email and a password. | [00:00] |
dub | so much funny right there | [00:00] |
dub | turns out patricks mail server let someone 'recover' all of bitcoinicas wallet | [00:02] |
dub | I went to fill in the Paypal form, spent 10 mins signing up to an account, entering all my very personal details and my card was rejected. | [00:07] |
FabianB_ | paypal for a bitcoin conference? | [00:10] |
jurov | my god they collected such a luminaries: https://progressbar.sk/calendar/international-bitcoin-day-2013 | [00:13] |
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Namworld | dub, you can't pay with your library card. | [00:14] |
jurov | indeed i'll collect funds for mpoe-pr to travel there | [00:14] |
Bugpowder | yes | [00:15] |
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dub | amir is possibly adopting this guys approach to education https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRwIrbK8KDI | [00:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2050 @ 0.00460243 = 9.435 BTC [-] | [01:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1482 @ 0.00455449 = 6.7498 BTC [-] | [02:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063976 = 3.1988 BTC [-] | [02:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7909 @ 0.00063975 = 5.0598 BTC [-] | [02:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6153 @ 0.00063899 = 3.9317 BTC [-] | [02:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1468 @ 0.00446855 = 6.5598 BTC [-] | [02:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00444 = 4.44 BTC [-] | [02:21] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [02:27] |
gribble | smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 14 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: |
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thestringpuller | smickles | [02:27] |
thestringpuller | I's sorry I fell asleep | [02:27] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen mod6 | [02:30] |
gribble | mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1850 @ 0.00444 = 8.214 BTC [-] | [02:43] |
pigeons | yes vragnaroda speaks perfect esperanto | [02:51] |
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dub | does he eat beans? | [03:06] |
dub | sounds more like a vindaloo man | [03:10] |
pigeons | well beans are good for your heart | [03:12] |
smickles | thestringpuller: yo | [03:17] |
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thestringpuller | pigeons: so are you an expert on pigeons? | [03:27] |
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pigeons | thestringpuller: nope | [03:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00444878 = 10.6771 BTC [+] | [03:34] |
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mircea_popescu | FabianB_ prolly eventually lol | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla | [03:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00462278 = 4.8539 BTC [+] | [03:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 522 @ 0.00462375 = 2.4136 BTC [+] | [03:44] |
mircea_popescu | the idea that esperanto helps local languages is pretty good. nothing like something that really sucks as a standard to keep internationalisation at bay. | [03:45] |
mircea_popescu | dub wtf ?! the negligence seen at mtgox happens every month with irl banks. | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | the diff is mtgox fixed it. | [03:46] |
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mircea_popescu | also, who is Cody R Wilson ? | [03:50] |
mircea_popescu | Mike Gogulski (Bitcoin laundry) ? wtf is that! i need to knoe | [03:50] |
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Bugpowder | !ticker s.dice | [03:52] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00446669 / 0.00463274 (82268 shares, 367.47 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333481 / 0.0048 (13847718 shares, 46,179.57 BTC) | [03:52] |
pigeons | mircea_popescu: gogulski is from nostate.com | [03:56] |
pigeons | he used to be in irc all the time but a few years ago | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | i like these unheard of sites, i learn so very much | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | wtf is nostate.com | [03:56] |
pigeons | i think it was the mybitcoin nonsense when he started saying pfffh | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | Fixing the “100% CPU and no useful output” imklog+rsyslog kernel logging problem on Ubuntu guests under Xen PV | [03:57] |
mircea_popescu | ok, so a tech guy ? | [03:57] |
pigeons | he bought a mixer and the motto was "get your bitcoins whiter than white" | [03:57] |
mircea_popescu | root@nyancat:/var/log# tail /var/log/kern.log | [03:57] |
mircea_popescu | wait a fucking second. nyancat ? | [03:57] |
pigeons | nothing to do with usagi ;) | [03:58] |
pigeons | he used to maintain a bitcoin wordpress shopping cart plugin | [03:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00462375 = 5.7797 BTC [+] | [03:59] |
mircea_popescu | a ok | [03:59] |
pigeons | he's mostly known for renouncing us citizenship for a "not a citizen under the blessing of slovakia" card | [04:00] |
dub | mircea_popescu: the shitheads responsible for bitcoinica calling mtgox negligent is funny enough by itself | [04:02] |
mircea_popescu | it is. | [04:02] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, they were, yes, but not much moreso than your average bank. whereas the average bank still is, 10-15 years later | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | and after 100`000x as many ownages, exploits and general mayhem | [04:03] |
pigeons | gotta give em that at least | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons slovakia does that ? cool. | [04:04] |
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dub | is cody the gun printing guy? | [04:05] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno. is he ? | [04:05] |
dub | i closed tab and cannot be fucked finding link | [04:05] |
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dub | the gun printing guy was listed as a speaker iirc | [04:06] |
pigeons | he is "wiki weapon" guy, which is in some ways quite behind the other gun printing projects | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | so basically... a guy that's been out of the game since about before it started, taaki and a gun printing guy. | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | they need plato i guess. | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | or wait, what's the guy who had a show where he used cameras in demo mode ? | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | cause the new bitcoin ragazine dood is there. | [04:07] |
dub | that was bruce I think | [04:07] |
dub | the bitciontv slash child rapist dude | [04:07] |
dub | spent the last few weeks erasing my memory | [04:08] |
dub | could be wrong | [04:08] |
pigeons | oh course who they need is nefario | [04:09] |
Bugpowder | People that make the most rediculous claims will get the most press, every time | [04:10] |
Bugpowder | happens in every field | [04:10] |
Bugpowder | for a while at least | [04:10] |
pigeons | dreamhost has pictures of their big tubes in their ad | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder i don't see them getting any press tbh | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | i see them struggling in a flypaper venue with bad make-up on | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | for my curiosity, anyone here actually use coinbase ? | [04:13] |
pigeons | no | [04:13] |
pigeons | there was discussion on it in -otc the other day, i didnt see any use for it at all | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | cause yeah, i wanted to ask iof they actually have a value proposition that i've overlooked | [04:14] |
pigeons | but a few said they just loved being able to send ach from their bank to a bootstrap site and get bitcoins at mygox + 1% | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | as i understand it it's about two years late. | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/#comment-91256 sadly the guy offers no hint. | [04:15] |
pigeons | well it seems worse than piuk's even cause i think they are just straight mybitcoin 2.0 no we dont hold your keys tricks | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | for one. | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | for the other, at least in blockchain's case i have some feel of who's behind | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | coinbase, who's that ? | [04:17] |
pigeons | what turned me off before i even looked at the site and saw "hosted bitcoin wallet" was the spammy .1 btc refferal scheme | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not sure i'd hold something like that against a new service. maybe. | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | how did the scheme work ? | [04:18] |
Bugpowder | Wow, just finding this classic thread | [04:20] |
Bugpowder | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39922.40 | [04:20] |
pigeons | a bunch of newbs contantly beg you to open a new coinbase account and get free btc if you hook up you bank account | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | I requested a withdrawal of 0.1 BTC from my account. | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | My BTCJAM account was debited 0.0955 BTC | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | On my address I received 0.095 BTC | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | dbl fee! | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons you ever withdrew from btcjam ? | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder that shit was so weird back in like 2011 | [04:21] |
pigeons | yep | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons so does it work as it's supposed and this stuff i keep reading is basically noobish nonsense ? | [04:22] |
pigeons | btcjam? | [04:22] |
pigeons | its like formalized forum begging/scamming | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | haha | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | so malaysian | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg1438731#msg1438731 hey what do you know, turns out the guy with the rounding was actually a blockchain user lol | [04:23] |
dub | Bugpowder: now find MNW's 'totally legit pictures of underage girls in swimsuits' | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | "Truly, I'm puzzled by Joel's defense of Mr. Starfish, especially after Patrick's default and disappearance. I can think of few scammers in this cesspool who are more blatant and deserve less sympathy than Patrick." | [04:24] |
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mircea_popescu | i wish i understood wtf fly bit katz on that one. | [04:24] |
pigeons | http://blog.coinbase.com/post/33197656699/coinbase-now-storing-87-of-customer-funds-offline | [04:24] |
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dub | Bugpowder: oh and who could forget amir's 'skype phonesex with two 16 y/o' | [04:24] |
pigeons | cuz its legal in the uk | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | dub transcript ? | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | (are there any hms ?) | [04:25] |
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dub | a few people posted that they'd used it | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | "Offline storage (sometimes called “cold storage”) is the process of taking money that is connected to the internet and moving it offline for safe keeping." | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | this is such a good definition. | [04:26] |
pigeons | much safer on plastic housed usb sticks | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | shows a deep, fundamental understanding of the truck/pipes issue. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | Why do this? Well, any computer that is connected to the internet with money on it (or bitcoins) is a target for hackers. Keeping servers secure involves many variables and is it’s own area of study and research. Under normal conditions this level of security should be sufficient, but payment apps are held to a higher standard. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | high comedy. you can always trust pigeon's link. they don't contain porn in the sense of tit and cunt. | [04:27] |
pigeons | heh | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | they contain porn of a more intellectual and much more obscene nature. | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | or should i say unnature. | [04:27] |
dub | I will do ANYTHING to make bitcoin better for the good of humanity!! Oh and I'm going to pimp some quesitonably legal sexual exploitation to make a fast buck | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | dub http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbljnoTsTN1qznqfn.jpg ? | [04:27] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: high comedy? | [04:28] |
dub | im not hitting that from work | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | do. | [04:28] |
thestringpuller | no nudity | [04:28] |
Bugpowder | dub lol | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | it's off the coinbase blog at any rate. | [04:28] |
Bugpowder | you can hit it | [04:28] |
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mircea_popescu | tho it does meet the questionable legal explotaition part. maybe no fast bux | [04:29] |
Bugpowder | I really love that photo thread though | [04:29] |
Bugpowder | It's actually kinda useful | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | got a thing for floating azns ? | [04:29] |
Bugpowder | stuff to know | [04:29] |
thestringpuller | "2011 will no doubt be remembered as the year that Bitcoinica took Bitcoin by storm. With leveraged trading, playing the Bitcoin markets went from tee-ball to the big leagues, seemingly overnight. 2012, however, will take things to a whole new level. Mt.Gox and Tradehill have both hinted at the fact that they will be unveiling futures and options markets as part of their development plan, with Mt.Gox possibly br | [04:29] |
thestringpuller | lol this blog | [04:29] |
Bugpowder | hinted at the fact | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | lol. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | srsly, options were this big thing, imminent in like, July 2011. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135071.msg1438315#msg1438315 what nao JWU42 ? | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | o wait nm missed his reply. | [04:31] |
JWU42 | my good freind usagi had to comment ;) | [04:31] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:31] |
mircea_popescu | so basically, you're piling up your share and plan to distribute it when ? | [04:32] |
JWU42 | ideally later this week if it stays private | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | if what stays private you mean ? | [04:32] |
JWU42 | it is not relisted on a new exchange and payments are made directly to the holders | [04:33] |
JWU42 | it might take longer to begin payouts if it is listed on a new exhcnage as then holders would need to create accounts, etc. | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | o o i see. | [04:33] |
Bugpowder | "SO I believe a remedy is available to JWU. It's simple -- something akin to... give up his current stake in YABMC. I.e. ~500 BTC." | [04:33] |
JWU42 | and the whole "unregulated securities" concerns of listing again | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | probably cleanest to just disburse. i don't see why any sane exchange would want a wreck listed to beghin with | [04:34] |
JWU42 | Bugpowder: yeah - I have the BTC ready to go and plan to | [04:34] |
JWU42 | as of Friday was around 48 BTC | [04:34] |
JWU42 | 482 | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | how much did you get burned for, all told ? | [04:35] |
Bugpowder | I don't trust usagi's valuation models. | [04:35] |
JWU42 | I didn't get burned per se | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | just intangibles ? (goodwill etc) | [04:36] |
JWU42 | I suppose it is the bondholders are are getting less than they deserve | [04:36] |
Namworld | Anyone heard anything from/about Amazingrando by the way? | [04:36] |
JWU42 | since the payout would be ~ 60% of what it should have been | [04:36] |
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JWU42 | Namworld: he just posted in his thread | [04:36] |
JWU42 | mircea_popescu: yeah - some damaged goodwill perhaps | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | well... that's ahead of the game. i guess if you survive you might end up a banker or something. | [04:37] |
dub | are not HK and PH already tagged? | [04:37] |
JWU42 | dub: they are | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [04:37] |
Namworld | Damn. He's not answering my PMs | [04:37] |
JWU42 | I suppose conspiro... was not aware when he first posted | [04:38] |
JWU42 | cannot remember his full handle ;) | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | sphere | [04:38] |
JWU42 | .tk | [04:38] |
JWU42 | ;) | [04:38] |
thestringpuller | ;;getrating PatrickHarnett | [04:39] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User PatrickHarnett, rated since Tue Mar 6 14:02:32 2012. Cumulative rating 67, from 27 total ratings. Received ratings: 23 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 22 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=PatrickHarnett | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [04:39] |
JWU42 | it even took a while for Pirate to get to a negative rating | [04:39] |
JWU42 | people don't look at that often and tend to rate only when transacting | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133144.msg1438861#msg1438861 this thread kicks ass | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | usagi's asset list | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | OBSI.HRPT (10,089 shares) | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | that's almost as much as i was short | [04:40] |
Bugpowder | Matthew N. Wright debt (750 bitcoins) Hashking Debt (550 btc) Imsaguy debt (approx. 300 BTC) | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | ya lol | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | i was about to paste that. | [04:41] |
Namworld | I forgot to rate PH... | [04:41] |
Namworld | Done | [04:41] |
pigeons | quality junk there | [04:41] |
Bugpowder | GSDPT (6,000 shares (remaining) | [04:41] |
Bugpowder | if only... | [04:41] |
Namworld | I rated Pirate like an eternity after he defaulted... and was his first negative rating. | [04:41] |
JWU42 | ahh - he has 30 shares of YABMC | [04:42] |
pigeons | "PPT debt (everything from goat to brendio direct -- if you really want this just PM me)" | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | ya 6k gsdpt is worth a little, iirc they were even with s.dice ? | [04:42] |
JWU42 | damn | [04:42] |
pigeons | hahah mnw | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld i doubt you were. | [04:42] |
JWU42 | 33K of BIB.BVPS | [04:42] |
pigeons | so 1 million btc worth of worthlessness = 0 btc | [04:43] |
Namworld | ;;getrating pirateat40 | [04:43] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User pirateat40, rated since Mon Aug 1 14:18:45 2011. Cumulative rating -119, from 89 total ratings. Received ratings: 56 positive, 33 negative. Sent ratings: 65 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pirateat40 | [04:43] |
JWU42 | ^ Win | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | ya you were, 2 days | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | o wait, that's where the missing bvps was. usagi ? | [04:43] |
JWU42 | I have a few thousand BIB.BVPS as well | [04:44] |
Namworld | Hey... I want those S.BVPS shares. | [04:44] |
pigeons | is brendio mia? | [04:44] |
JWU42 | need to foigure when brendio is gonna opay the past few months dvis | [04:44] |
Bugpowder | well, using usagi's valuation model, we should probably discount the hashking debt to 75% of par | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons he hasn't shown up lately, we used to chat ocasionally back like last summer. | [04:44] |
Bugpowder | Is S.BVPS not paying divs anymore or what? | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | iirc they paid like 1.5 total | [04:45] |
Bugpowder | what was the 1.5 BTC payment? | [04:45] |
pigeons | dividends on no profit | [04:45] |
Bugpowder | no profit? 1 time charge? | [04:46] |
Bugpowder | discounting of goodwill | [04:46] |
Bugpowder | ? | [04:46] |
JWU42 | last spoke to Brendio on Dec 7th it seems | [04:46] |
Bugpowder | bitvps was down all month? | [04:46] |
pigeons | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdDFvQWJnZnRZQWJfbk1mNHYtVzhPR0E#gid=0 | [04:46] |
Bugpowder | tx | [04:46] |
Namworld | We'd have ~300$ more profit if we didn't buy a WHMCS owned license. | [04:47] |
Namworld | Now we won't pay it monthly | [04:47] |
pigeons | that sounds forward lookin g:) | [04:47] |
JWU42 | well that looks like a wonderful business | [04:47] |
Namworld | Still far less then previous dividends. | [04:47] |
JWU42 | 3 measly BTC | [04:48] |
JWU42 | that means I get like a satoshi per share | [04:48] |
JWU42 | heh | [04:48] |
pigeons | ok i guess i have to post comparison | [04:48] |
pigeons | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkGjIAZQI3fydHpEZWl4RFhnelJwd2xqWE5LeFF0TGc#gid=0 | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134966.msg1437892#msg1437892 | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha that's my girl. | [04:48] |
pigeons | from some MOB or something ltc asset | [04:48] |
Namworld | That's actually 300 satoshi per share. | [04:48] |
Namworld | But yeah. | [04:48] |
Namworld | We'd have close to 30 BTC profit without that fixed cost thing. | [04:49] |
JWU42 | Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98958txVSrE | [04:49] |
JWU42 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98958txVSrE | [04:49] |
Namworld | We'll also be spending on advertisement and getting software which will cost. | [04:50] |
Bugpowder | ok so it's like a 1 time charge? | [04:50] |
pigeons | i'm waiting for my, email about how new management is gonna be so responsive and stuff | [04:51] |
Namworld | yes, 324$ owned instead of monthly. You still pay 50$ per year for updates. | [04:51] |
Bugpowder | wtf! That Credit Score is hilarious | [04:51] |
Namworld | Otherwise it's 19$ monthly | [04:51] |
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Namworld | 228$ per year, less 50$ for yearly updates, 178$ saved each year. | [04:52] |
dub | I want to kill myself but I can't. | [04:52] |
dub | usagi fails even at failure | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | why and why not ? | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | o, you were quoting. | [04:52] |
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Bugpowder | How can ANYONE's time be worth so little as to be skimming percentages off of sub 1 BTC loans and making a spreadsheet of them. Google | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | "Friedcat still verifies shares. Today i got my confirmation for 1252 shares. GLBSE official data infos. So im safed now because my things with glbse are cleared finally." | [04:53] |
Bugpowder | Google's server costs to host that page are more then the value of the stuff being tracked. | [04:54] |
pigeons | heheh :) | [04:54] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder i think you have no idea what they squeeze out of a server. | [04:54] |
mircea_popescu | i'd guess their per-spreadsheet costs are under a satoshi. | [04:54] |
Bugpowder | what about the calories burnt entering the data into the spreadsheet. those cost money | [04:55] |
Bugpowder | and the power to the laptop | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | some people really are worthless. | [04:56] |
Bugpowder | xbabyboy4021x 0.25 8% 30 Days every 7 days DEFAULT Sold To Smiley (0.15) | [04:56] |
Bugpowder | YES | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:56] |
Namworld | Wait spreadsheets for less than 1 BTC of debts? | [04:56] |
pigeons | i posted it 2 days in a row now | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | 0.25 btc in default sold for .15 this guy should work for BoA | [04:56] |
Namworld | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdFItM2RwdWU3VHJMeldkSm1IckZNbUE#gid=0 | [04:56] |
Bugpowder | Was able to sell my distressed package of loans for 0.15BTC. 0.1 was written off. | [04:57] |
pigeons | heh | [04:57] |
Namworld | Well it started with 269 BTC of debt. But I guess it's now a 0.04 BTC of debt spreadsheet xD | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | so let me share a sad, dark secret. | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | today i went to a local comedy show. | [04:57] |
Bugpowder | LTC loans, little tiny children loans. | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | i was bored out of my fucking mind. in spite of paying like 8 bux tgo be there and also being with a bunch of friends so we just made fun of the comedians the whole time | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | then i come to irc, im laughing my ass off for the past two hours. | [04:58] |
Bugpowder | you can't buy a pencil at the elementary school shop | [04:58] |
Bugpowder | for 0.1BTC | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | i wish to sell my quality comedy club time (2 hours) for .1 btc now. | [04:58] |
Bugpowder | So, is BitcoinsDirect still the best place to get large # of coins for US people? | [04:59] |
Bugpowder | Got a friend that is ready to dip his toe in | [04:59] |
pigeons | dont think i've heard of it | [04:59] |
mircea_popescu | i never heard of that ? | [05:00] |
Bugpowder | Tangible Cryptography's service | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | i thought dt and mtgox were it | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | o, is that what he calls it ? | [05:00] |
Bugpowder | ya | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | a ok. then prolly. | [05:00] |
Bugpowder | it was AWESOME last time. | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't it fc3g or some shit | [05:00] |
Bugpowder | walk into bank fill out slip, get coins 1% below gox like 2 hours later | [05:00] |
mircea_popescu | if he has coins. | [05:01] |
pigeons | send him to bruce wagner! | [05:02] |
Bugpowder | Is the S.BBET IPO going to go off EXACTLY at midnight Jan 11th, or is it going to be human-triggered around that time? | [05:03] |
pigeons | i just keep hitting refresh | [05:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 129 @ 0.00462375 = 0.5965 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 494 @ 0.00463274 = 2.2886 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00464937 = 2.7896 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2063 @ 0.0046669 = 9.6278 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
Bugpowder | S.DICEEEE | [05:05] |
Bugpowder | !ticker S.DICE | [05:05] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00447985 / 0.0046669 (83804 shares, 375.43 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333524 / 0.0048 (13850953 shares, 46,196.31 BTC) | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder why dowes it make a diff ? | [05:05] |
Bugpowder | you should be able to figure that out | [05:06] |
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thestringpuller | Bugpowder: you could also sell coins too | [05:07] |
Bugpowder | I just want to know when I need to have any orders place by to get that initial allotment | [05:07] |
thestringpuller | fastcash4bitcoins | [05:07] |
Bugpowder | I don't need to sell coins | [05:07] |
Bugpowder | I need to buy coins | [05:07] |
thestringpuller | you buy coins and give people cash? | [05:08] |
thestringpuller | or the other way around? | [05:08] |
Bugpowder | i get cash from friend, I buy coins, I send coins to friend and I either have another few hundred coins for my fund, or MP gets another 30BTC account fee. | [05:08] |
pigeons | druggie | [05:09] |
thestringpuller | lol | [05:09] |
Bugpowder | nop | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder it will be automated, but for my own edumancation | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | cuz i still don't see the diff. | [05:10] |
Bugpowder | why should I provide pricing info to other bidders until just before the event starts | [05:10] |
Namworld | You don't have a MPEx account yet? | [05:10] |
Bugpowder | friend does not have account | [05:10] |
Namworld | oh | [05:11] |
Namworld | Don't forget to give them your public MPEx key =P | [05:11] |
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Bugpowder | I am too bad at GPG to get the joke :( | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | i still don't see how other bidders can use that info is the thing. | [05:11] |
pigeons | did havelock ever show a signed statement? | [05:11] |
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Namworld | It's not a joke =/ | [05:11] |
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Namworld | You refer them have them mention your account ID (public key fingerprint) | [05:12] |
Bugpowder | ahhhh! | [05:12] |
Bugpowder | ty | [05:12] |
Bugpowder | whats the bonus? | [05:12] |
Namworld | Mircea credits both account with 5 BTC | [05:12] |
Bugpowder | kewl | [05:12] |
Namworld | Well, seems like people are still not aware of the referral system =/ | [05:13] |
Bugpowder | Well, I'm not sure if witholding info will make a difference or not. But I think it will | [05:13] |
Bugpowder | Allow me to place bids for optimal allotments based on the existing bids | [05:14] |
Bugpowder | without having others change their bid in time to counter me. | [05:14] |
Bugpowder | ebay style | [05:14] |
Bugpowder | but now I have revealed my strategy so ;( | [05:14] |
dub | IPO sniping was big sport on glbse | [05:14] |
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Ukto | thestringpuller: i looked through a box for ff7 | [05:16] |
Ukto | wasnt in that one | [05:16] |
Ukto | i think its under some other stuff in a crate | [05:16] |
Ukto | gonna try to look in an hour | [05:16] |
thestringpuller | way to get my hopes up | [05:16] |
Bugpowder | holyshit they come out small | [05:17] |
Bugpowder | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_eeDvCo8U | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | im thinking it's equally likely that waiting will get you a benefit or a loss | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | on one hand, the guy with the top bid is guaranteed sharex | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | on the other, if he gets sold through then you can get shares cheaper later | [05:19] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowder: that's cool as shit. marsupials (sp) ftw | [05:20] |
Bugpowder | It will be an interesting experiment | [05:20] |
Bugpowder | I don't know if I like the mutual betting model with time-weighting though | [05:21] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowder: is this what you spend your freetime watching? | [05:21] |
thestringpuller | lol | [05:21] |
Bugpowder | I have used betsofbitco.in for a long time, and I think the time-weighting diminishes betting volume closer to the event, which is when more people want to be, due to time value of money | [05:21] |
mircea_popescu | it's not set in stone. | [05:22] |
Bugpowder | I just want a bitcoin sportsbook with traditional moneyline and pointspreads | [05:22] |
mircea_popescu | ya whio;s gonna maintain it ? | [05:22] |
Bugpowder | thestringpuller got it off the twitter | [05:22] |
Bugpowder | Well, you could go based off the hilton lines | [05:23] |
Bugpowder | and if you have a decent bankroll you can at least allow betting based on the spread | [05:23] |
Bugpowder | and just up the juice a bit more than a trad book | [05:23] |
Bugpowder | to deal with the low volume / high variance | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | "you" | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | who ? | [05:25] |
Bugpowder | whoever has coins, some betting knowledge, website knowledge and a dream | [05:25] |
Bugpowder | There are other problems with the mutual model. It's very hard to get large bets going | [05:25] |
thestringpuller | betting knowledge? | [05:25] |
thestringpuller | lol | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | dude. you completely misrepresent the total lack of competence in bitcoin | [05:26] |
Bugpowder | You need a vegas sharp to partner with | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | there's like, 100 or so coders, most incompetent, a few bright, some acceptable | [05:26] |
Bugpowder | ok | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | there's like 1-2k preop transsexuals, random internet kids | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | there's a bunch of ex cons that are all against the state for the very phylosophycal reason that they have priors | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | and that's it. | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | there isn't a bookie. | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | there is (maybe) a grand total of two lawyers | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | of which one's a paralegal or some shit. | [05:27] |
Bugpowder | with the mutual model, if you want to lay 100BTC down, you need to have faith that other people will bet up the other side to an acceptable odds level | [05:27] |
Bugpowder | which is rare | [05:27] |
dub | lol | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | well... it's not so rare, there's 100 btc bets | [05:28] |
Bugpowder | Only BFL shit really gets BTCs over 10 | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | but i can appreciate the point. | [05:28] |
dub | thats an excellent summary of the bitcoin community | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | ty. | [05:28] |
Bugpowder | I have done a LOT of betting on betsofbitco.in | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | i work hard and pay top dollar for my research. | [05:28] |
Bugpowder | I have tried the strategy of betting on BOTH sides of my event just to get the bet size big enough | [05:29] |
Bugpowder | for it to be worth it | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | i was gonna say, with parimutuel you can always take both sides | [05:29] |
Bugpowder | cause usually, if you bet big on one side, you get fucked. | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | if you have a spread you bet each side of the spread | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | and wait for close to closure to wipe it. | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | you can make decent money as a bookie on the system as it is, if you actually know odds. | [05:30] |
Bugpowder | As an alternative model, you pull the football game spread off some vegas site, take any bets that come on either side, and adjust the vig to encourage betting on the side that isn't getting hit as hard. Then the bet size is decoupled from the odds. | [05:31] |
Bugpowder | This only works if you are doing events that have a spread | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | or that. | [05:31] |
Bugpowder | but people want to bet on sports | [05:32] |
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mircea_popescu | but suppose the event is 7:2 to buy , 1:3 to sell (just random numbers) | [05:32] |
Bugpowder | Lots of money on football | [05:32] |
Dr-G | where should I buy stocks? | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | dr-g what stocks ? | [05:32] |
Dr-G | satoshi dice for example | [05:33] |
Bugpowder | naw. The spread in the seahawks-skins game was +3.5 for seahawks. | [05:33] |
Dr-G | just wanna have a few | [05:33] |
Bugpowder | How much coin do you have? | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | Dr-G you probably want a broker then. | [05:33] |
Dr-G | oh you're the MPE something guy, your stuff is cool but too complicated for me ;) | [05:33] |
Bugpowder | Err -3.5 for seahawks | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [05:34] |
Bugpowder | so if the seahawks score at least 4 points more than skins, you win the bet | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | you can try coinbr.com, or else bitfunder has a passthrough | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder im really useless with sports betting, i never did it nor do i much care about sports | [05:34] |
Bugpowder | then you charge 110btc to bet on either side, and if you win you get your bet + 100 back. | [05:35] |
Bugpowder | if you lose, you lose the 110 | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | but im just saying, you can put 50/30 btc in, then wait for other bettors to contribute theior own then make a final bet to adjust to reasonable rate either way | [05:35] |
Bugpowder | if people keep banging on one side, you adjust the vig, i.e. you charge 150 to win 100 on the side with too much action | [05:36] |
Bugpowder | If it gets really bad, you move the spread to a new number, i.e. -5.5 | [05:36] |
Bugpowder | This is the way it works, and it works very well | [05:36] |
Bugpowder | I am actually amazed that nobody has built this site. | [05:37] |
Bugpowder | hmmm.... | [05:37] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [05:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1137 @ 0.0046669 = 5.3063 BTC [+] | [05:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 563 @ 0.00467507 = 2.6321 BTC [+] | [05:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1032 @ 0.00467507 = 4.8247 BTC [+] | [05:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 644 @ 0.00477874 = 3.0775 BTC [+] | [05:40] |
Bugpowder | anyway, I think the betsofbitco.in model is flawed for the most popular topic of betting, sports, and only works for certain long-dated events with a lot of ebb and flow to the apparent odds, that juice the bet value. When there is a site that does Vegas style odds making, I'm going all in in that IPO. | [05:41] |
Bugpowder | !ticker s.dice | [05:45] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00449038 / 0.00477874 (84890 shares, 381.19 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333557 / 0.0048 (13854329 shares, 46,212.15 BTC) | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | it'd seem the value of that model strictly depends on the quality of the bookie. | [05:45] |
Dr-G | s.dice is worth 500k btc right now ^^ | [05:46] |
Dr-G | or 430k | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | on 30day avg 333557. on 1 day avg 449038 | [05:47] |
Dr-G | minus the 250 btc I robbed :P | [05:49] |
Bugpowder | ha | [05:49] |
Bugpowder | the only way to win long term is to take the winnings and buy the stock :-P | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | some dood was doing this | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | "i won 16btc and promptly turned around and bought the stock" | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | i was like... yeah. | [05:51] |
Dr-G | hehe | [05:51] |
Dr-G | still a better transaction than that pizza transaction | [05:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00064105 = 0.7693 BTC [+] | [05:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10027 @ 0.00064106 = 6.4279 BTC [+] | [05:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2315 @ 0.00064366 = 1.4901 BTC [+] | [05:58] |
Namworld | Hey, at the time, a measly 10 000 BTC for a pizza was an amazing deal on such gastronomy food. | [06:01] |
pigeons | yeah i don't get the ridicule either | [06:01] |
thestringpuller | was this when btc was worth 10 cents a coin? | [06:01] |
thestringpuller | err 1 cent | [06:02] |
Namworld | Even less than 1 cent | [06:02] |
pigeons | without being willing to accept bitcoins for pizza, we never would have been able to trade anything for bitcoins | [06:02] |
Bugpowder | uhhh | [06:03] |
pigeons | i would have happily given that many for pizza too, but no one else was willing to take them for something valuable like pizza | [06:04] |
mod6 | haha | [06:04] |
Bugpowder | one way of measuring you value in science is to ask, if I never existed, how far would it have set back the field, in terms of time. | [06:04] |
pigeons | that's why first thing i did with the time machine was kill Bugpowder's grandpa | [06:04] |
Bugpowder | if the bitcoin pizza man never existed, we would have been set back a few days | [06:04] |
pigeons | i hope you mean days in bitcoin time, cause it would have been more than that, by far | [06:05] |
Bugpowder | how long before another man ordered a pizza | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller it was possibly the first time an item of value was exchanged for this internet funny nonsense | [06:07] |
pigeons | maybe would have been never | [06:07] |
mircea_popescu | ya, what pigeons said | [06:07] |
pigeons | but certainly wasn't necessarily a few days imminent | [06:07] |
kakobrekla | fuck not again | [06:08] |
kakobrekla | neighbour is leaving for work and im still up | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | fuck his wif ? | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | +e | [06:08] |
kakobrekla | lol | [06:08] |
kakobrekla | i was trying to get back to a normal pace | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | o, that kind of up | [06:09] |
kakobrekla | whatever normal means. | [06:09] |
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thestringpuller | kakobrekla: you are a hacker there is no normal circadian rythym for us | [06:30] |
kuzetsa | heh | [06:31] |
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Ukto | thestringpuller: k, going back to the garage to try to find the discs again | [06:41] |
thestringpuller | cool | [06:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 224 @ 0.00466586 = 1.0452 BTC [-] | [06:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2584 @ 0.00466586 = 12.0566 BTC [-] | [06:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00474291 = 2.8457 BTC [+] | [06:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00474292 = 5.6915 BTC [+] | [06:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1456 @ 0.00477874 = 6.9578 BTC [+] | [06:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9160 @ 0.0047888 = 43.8654 BTC [+] | [06:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 645 @ 0.30139779 = 194.4016 BTC [+] | [06:51] |
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gladoscc | Ukto: what's the current fee for listing a new asset on bitfunder? | [07:01] |
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Ukto | I am extending the 3btc thru jan at least | [07:34] |
Ukto | thestringpuller | [07:35] |
Ukto | i have goot news | [07:35] |
TradeFortress | oh cool | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla http://www.google.com/finance?cid=668090 | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | le loll. watch bitbet own it. | [07:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1648 @ 0.0047888 = 7.8919 BTC [+] | [07:43] |
TradeFortress | It's 0.0045 on bitfunder. | [07:45] |
thestringpuller | Ukto: how much you want for it | [07:48] |
Ukto | 1... BILLIONG (pinkeys) bitcoins | [07:49] |
Ukto | >,> | [07:49] |
thestringpuller | so more bitcoins than will ever exist? | [07:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4250 @ 0.0047888 = 20.3524 BTC [+] | [07:52] |
Ukto | deal. | [07:53] |
Ukto | :P | [07:53] |
Ukto | what was the original deal? | [07:53] |
Ukto | 5btc? | [07:53] |
Ukto | although | [07:53] |
Ukto | i am concerned about disc.. 2 | [07:53] |
Ukto | i can faintly see some light circular scratches | [07:54] |
Ukto | but being black bottom | [07:54] |
Ukto | its shiney as hell | [07:54] |
Ukto | its not enough to feel with a fingernail | [07:54] |
Ukto | or just a finger | [07:54] |
Ukto | but if you run your nail back and forth over it, it does make a slight noise :/ | [07:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.0006405 = 5.156 BTC [-] | [08:04] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet/ | [08:14] |
mircea_popescu | if anyone's looking for a laugh | [08:14] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla ^^ | [08:14] |
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Dr-G | !ticker s.dice | [08:40] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00430002 / 0.00455893 / 0.0047888 (99863 shares, 455.27 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00333775 / 0.0048 (13875451 shares, 46,312.85 BTC) | [08:40] |
Dr-G | make me rich | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | they say that's how the 1929 panic started. | [08:45] |
Namworld | rah! | [08:46] |
Namworld | I can't freakin view it, no credit as ever... | [08:46] |
Namworld | I never ever have darn credits. | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | life is short but unfair. | [08:48] |
Namworld | but I haven't been able to read your blog in months, except right after that time you gave me 100 free credit. | [08:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3900 @ 0.0047888 = 18.6763 BTC [+] | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | are you on open wifi or something ? | [08:51] |
Namworld | Nope | [08:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.0047888 = 13.8875 BTC [+] | [08:53] |
Namworld | Yeah I seriously don't know | [08:57] |
Namworld | This is really odd... | [08:57] |
Dr-G | we need bitcoin mania 2.0 | [08:57] |
TradeFortress | Hey Namworld | [09:01] |
TradeFortress | just wondering, what is happening to btc-mining? | [09:01] |
TradeFortress | Only 15 BTC in holdings? | [09:01] |
Namworld | The rest was loaned to Amazingrando as per motion in exchange of hashing, until such day we could buy some ASIC rig. | [09:03] |
TradeFortress | So, there has being no dividends from when GLBSE shut down to now? | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | is that marked down as loss ? | [09:03] |
Namworld | I'll have to see about that. | [09:04] |
Namworld | Amazingrando isn't very active. Just moved his Bitbond to cryptostock and nothing then. | [09:05] |
mircea_popescu | i see. | [09:08] |
Namworld | Was pretty much: "My mining doesn't cover eletricity fees anymore, so I'll stop paying divs. See you when ASICs ship." | [09:09] |
mircea_popescu | hence 15 btc in holdings | [09:11] |
Namworld | Indeed. | [09:28] |
Namworld | Well I guess the only people happy are BTC-BOND holders. | [09:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10599 @ 0.00064366 = 6.8222 BTC [+] | [09:39] |
Namworld | Well, I just updated my bitcointalk.org signature, mircea | [09:42] |
Namworld | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94271.0 | [09:43] |
Namworld | My biz + BitVPS + MPEx | [09:43] |
Namworld | Since I'm now working on both + BitVPS is on MPEx, seems appropriate. | [09:43] |
Namworld | We also have an ad slot: https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo | [09:46] |
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mircea_popescu | cool. | [09:56] |
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Namworld | Those ad slots seems a bit expensive tho. | [10:01] |
Namworld | We've put a tracking link and going to see if it gets any results. | [10:01] |
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mircea_popescu | last i checked (maybe a year ago ?) they were horrible. | [10:05] |
mircea_popescu | http://business.time.com/2012/12/20/libor-scandal-yep-its-as-bad-as-we-thought/ | [10:14] |
mircea_popescu | heh just catching up on all the juice. | [10:14] |
mircea_popescu | MPBOR, moar serious than LIBOR | [10:14] |
Namworld | Well now they're at 100 - 130k weekly impressions. | [10:21] |
Namworld | per slot | [10:21] |
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* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [18:21] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades | [18:21] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 | [18:21] |
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mircea_popescu | "As for Quentin, he has other clients and has, from what I was briefly told, been busy filling in for other attorneys in the office while they were away. I'm hoping to speak with him today to get an updated timeline for the verified claims lists and terms of service for the VPS site." | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | this doesn't sound so good. | [18:35] |
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gigavps | mircea_popescu what doesn't sound good about it, we are still dealing with holiday issues, nbd | [18:41] |
mircea_popescu | it sounds to me like the lawyer guy is getting drowned in drama and is inches away from throwing his hands up at the entire thing. | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | because forumer time is not worth money and lawyer time is. | [18:43] |
gigavps | lol | [18:43] |
gigavps | he's getting paid | [18:43] |
gigavps | nothing to worry about there | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | aite. | [18:43] |
gigavps | not like you care since you aren't claiming anyway | [18:43] |
gigavps | there are about 8 ppl crying in the gigamining thread, the rest are emailing me, being polite, and working through this thing with me | [18:44] |
gigavps | 8 out of 300 | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | i don't care other than in the vague macro sense that it'd be best if this actually works as opposed to not working. | [18:45] |
gigavps | i've done everything i've said i'd do, and as i've said, i'm waiting on Quentin | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not saying you haven't. | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | bah. so this guy made FOUR deposits before actually hitting one right. | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | wtf! | [18:49] |
topace | mircea_popescu: haha hope it wasnt me!? mine have all been right i think (and thanks for just processing my 80BTC deposit) | [18:54] |
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mircea_popescu | well whoever it was! &sure. | [18:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00469227 = 4.6923 BTC [-] | [19:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 230 @ 0.00469226 = 1.0792 BTC [-] | [19:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1720 @ 0.00467397 = 8.0392 BTC [-] | [19:05] |
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JWU_42 | mircea_popescu: are you involved in bitbet.us | [19:18] |
JWU_42 | ? | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [19:18] |
JWU_42 | K | [19:18] |
JWU_42 | MPOE-PR posted something about the site in the YABMC thread | [19:18] |
JWU_42 | didn't know the site existed ;) | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | hehe it was just launched a day or two ago | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | it's on mpex too. | [19:18] |
JWU_42 | ahh | [19:19] |
mircea_popescu | more detailed there | [19:19] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: do you have any insight yet on btcamazon? | [19:21] |
mircea_popescu | im not in a hurry | [19:22] |
thestringpuller | you should be come a bookie | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | if i wanted to become a bookie i think i'd have done it by now tho | [19:24] |
kakobrekla | JWU42>PS - 7 total bets - perhaps an insufficiently small sample size. | [19:25] |
kakobrekla | go ahead and fix that | [19:25] |
kakobrekla | :p | [19:25] |
jcpham | i was thinking of a sports bet | [19:30] |
jcpham | but the game is today :( | [19:30] |
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mircea_popescu | aww jcpham gotta do them earlier | [19:49] |
jcpham | always a bridesmaid | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:51] |
jcpham | did you get my last message mircea_popescu | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't know you crossdressed | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | well see, it's impossible for me to check seeing how i don't know whats "last" in your context :) | [19:52] |
jcpham | mr. bloggerman said get in touch | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | o o yea he emailed. | [19:52] |
jcpham | via forum and/or skype | [19:52] |
jcpham | k cool | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | ok these noobs are starting to get on my nerves. | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | so! the "business idea" in share "investing" is to create market inefficiencies | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | whereby prices to artificially pop on lack of liquidity ? | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | waht the fuck is wrong with them! | [19:53] |
kakobrekla | urlpls | [19:54] |
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jcpham | i bet it is a link to bitcointalk? | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | yes lol | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134684.msg1438119#msg1438119 | [19:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00467792 = 10.5253 BTC [+] | [19:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00467398 = 4.674 BTC [-] | [19:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 350 @ 0.00467397 = 1.6359 BTC [-] | [19:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 770 @ 0.00467397 = 3.599 BTC [-] | [19:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00464344 = 13.9303 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00460652 = 3.6852 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 194 @ 0.0045735 = 0.8873 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00456159 = 1.8246 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00449163 = 17.9665 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00448487 = 17.9395 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00444001 = 4.44 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00443811 = 14.202 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4800 @ 0.00441955 = 21.2138 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3148 @ 0.00441386 = 13.8948 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 729 @ 0.004312 = 3.1434 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
JWU_42 | kakobrekla: heh - nah | [20:03] |
JWU_42 | jcpham: ROLL TIDE! | [20:03] |
jcpham | what is havelock investments | [20:03] |
jcpham | yes | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | i think some sort of fund/exchange | [20:04] |
jcpham | i was checking out their site | [20:06] |
topace | jcpham: i run havelock investments | [20:08] |
topace | ask away :) | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust topace | [20:08] |
gribble | Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user topace: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=topace | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | o hey. had no idea. | [20:09] |
jcpham | so explain it | [20:09] |
jcpham | looks mostly canadian | [20:09] |
kakobrekla | ;;getrating topace | [20:09] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User topace, rated since Wed Jun 8 15:37:29 2011. Cumulative rating 19, from 8 total ratings. Received ratings: 8 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 6 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=topace | [20:09] |
jcpham | it has a mutual fund feel | [20:09] |
topace | started as our mining fund | [20:10] |
topace | then when we looked at exchanges to list our fund on, i couldnt find a decent one | [20:10] |
topace | so i wrote my own | [20:10] |
jcpham | the exchange is private? | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.canadianbitcoins.com/ still going ? | [20:10] |
topace | so for a while, the only security listed on my exchange, was our own mining fund | [20:10] |
topace | no, its public | [20:10] |
topace | mircea_popescu: yup | [20:10] |
topace | mircea_popescu: ~2000BTC/day volume, not huge, but pretty good since i only deal with canadians :p | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | you and dt should form amalgamated american bitcoin traders | [20:11] |
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topace | Havelock passthru now has 2% of all SDICE shares that have been released (200,000 of 10,000,000) | [20:13] |
mircea_popescu | i guess if we count pt's as institutional investors that takes us to about .7% total | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | not so bad | [20:15] |
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topace | 0.7% of what ? | [20:15] |
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mircea_popescu | of float | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | s.dice ipo was 10% | [20:16] |
smickles | < topace> Havelock passthru now has 2% of all SDICE shares that have been released (200,000 of 10,000,000) << heh, sounds like I finally have some competition | [20:16] |
smickles | I'm sure I offer a better deal than havelock | [20:16] |
mircea_popescu | how much do you hold ? (unless it's a sikrit) | [20:16] |
smickles | about twice that | [20:17] |
topace | i did 200,000 in 2 days :p lol | [20:17] |
topace | couldnt keep my public offerings open they kept selling out | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | ya the glbse pt had the same issue. | [20:17] |
smickles | topace: you run it? | [20:18] |
topace | smickles: i run havelock investmetns | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | you probably should just float a larger set. | [20:18] |
smickles | topace: well, you can probably top me, I don't have a 'web presence' for what I do | [20:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00457769 = 13.7331 BTC [+] | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | why is that ? | [20:19] |
smickles | i don't need one, it seems | [20:19] |
topace | heh | [20:19] |
mircea_popescu | lol whatever works i say. | [20:19] |
topace | yea :p with teh success of the SDICE passthru i was considering doing a MPOE passthru as well :p not sure if it'd be as susccessful though | [20:20] |
topace | competition is a good thing :) | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | or a bbet pt after ipo | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine Ukto is prolly going to do something like that too | [20:21] |
kakobrekla | Ukto will just code a new bbet or smth | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | ill bet you he won't :D | [20:22] |
kakobrekla | place it | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [20:22] |
smickles | I'm quite entertained by texts sent to me by accident | [20:25] |
smickles | "Randy is going to call you in a minute with an update" | [20:25] |
jcpham | coinabul is on the radio | [20:26] |
jcpham | http://overseasradio.com/ | [20:26] |
topace | why's there such high bids for S.BBET ? | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | it's not floated yet | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | i guess people want in ? | [20:27] |
kakobrekla | ;;later tell namworld PS, somebody please tell bitvps to fix their SSL certificate, I can't pay my bill with them until they do this. If they don't get their act together right-quick I'm dropping them from the signcryption network. I've been pestering them about this for two weeks now and am pretty unimpressed with the lack of any sort of response. | [20:29] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:29] |
topace | so if there's higher bids than the IPO price, what happens? it just takes the highest and works down? | [20:30] |
topace | when the IPO starts? | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | 11th | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | and yes | [20:32] |
smickles | i remember mircea_popescu saying that mpex is socialist in order matching | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | lol ? | [20:32] |
smickles | it's not who placed the order first, if there are multiple orders which would match, they split it | [20:32] |
kakobrekla | hm | [20:33] |
kakobrekla | can live.coinbr chart the orderbook | [20:33] |
kakobrekla | or it needs to go live before that | [20:34] |
smickles | working off that likely flawed memory, all the bids @ or above the first block would proportionally split the first block | [20:34] |
kakobrekla | !ticker b.bet | [20:34] |
assbot | Invalid ticker. | [20:34] |
kakobrekla | meh | [20:34] |
smickles | and then all bids @ or above the second block proportionally split that one, and so on | [20:34] |
smickles | http://bitbet.us/bet/16/ << heh, it's like calculating the delta | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | smickles that's aside tho, | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla it will prolly chart it once it's live | [20:39] |
kakobrekla | so now i have to code my own chart. | [20:39] |
kakobrekla | :D | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:39] |
kakobrekla | cause i wanna SEE | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | hahaha | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | ok ok. | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | it was there all along, neh ? | [20:41] |
kakobrekla | dunno | [20:41] |
kakobrekla | jurov!"!!!!! | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | neither jurov nor ukto are true coders | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | they sleep. | [20:43] |
kakobrekla | lol | [20:43] |
kakobrekla | im low on food gotta run to the store bbl | [20:43] |
smickles | oh my, I just realized, when I'm writing a program, i tend to smoke in place of sleeping | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | this is how we find out kakobrekla doesn't have a gf | [20:45] |
jcpham | if i fixate on a task, i find it difficult to sleep | [20:47] |
jcpham | so i tend to not fixate on any one task for too long | [20:47] |
jcpham | quick done. next. | [20:47] |
kakobrekla | accually, i havent left yet | [20:48] |
kakobrekla | and the bitch came back. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | aww poor girl. | [20:48] |
kakobrekla | yeah after the gpg contract things went back to normal! | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | you have a gpg contract with your gf ? | [20:49] |
kakobrekla | twas a joke but im thinking about it | [20:49] |
kakobrekla | ill give -10 if she splits again. | [20:50] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha | [20:50] |
jurov | i had a meeting. eve true coders have meetings | [20:50] |
jurov | *even | [20:50] |
jurov | so, what is? | [20:51] |
kakobrekla | jurov | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | we just missed you | [20:51] |
kakobrekla | 19:41.01 ( mircea_popescu ) http://mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php | [20:51] |
kakobrekla | make this into pictures pls | [20:51] |
kakobrekla | fuck 9 min remaining | [20:51] |
kakobrekla | brb | [20:51] |
jurov | kakobrekla, which asset? | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | jurov he just gott excited about bbet | [20:52] |
jurov | no cigar. depth['S'] is undefined :/ | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | well ya, there's no S activity yet. | [21:00] |
kakobrekla | but | [21:03] |
kakobrekla | i want my cigar. | [21:03] |
kakobrekla | :( | [21:03] |
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mircea_popescu | i dub thee sir kakobrekla lewinsky the 2nd | [21:04] |
topace | whats the "4`085`852` shares" on the S.DICE volume graph? | [21:04] |
topace | volume over the period of the graph? (whatever that is?) | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker s.dice | [21:06] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.004312 / 0.00461387 / 0.0047888 (116066 shares, 535.51 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00334271 / 0.0048 (13760569 shares, 45,997.67 BTC) | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | can't be. | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | well, maybe if it was weekly ? | [21:06] |
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topace | would be nice if numbers made sense :p | [21:08] |
jurov | http://live.coinbr.com/images/1357585780134.png | [21:11] |
jurov | nothing to die for | [21:11] |
kakobrekla | it werks | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | F | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | maddox can draw a better fire engine. | [21:11] |
kakobrekla | lol | [21:11] |
Bugpowder | topace, its the max daily volume for the month | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | o that was the 10k+ day huh | [21:12] |
topace | Buglouse: ahh! thanks :) | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | lmao poor Buglouse | [21:13] |
topace | so that big red bar on the volume chart | [21:13] |
topace | mircea_popescu: are you MPOE-PR on bitcontalk? im trying to figure out what the hell adamstgBit is talking about here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134684.40 | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | she's my pr. | [21:16] |
jurov | http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.BBET now working | [21:18] |
kakobrekla | thanks jurov | [21:18] |
jurov | also S.BVPS... but you need to select a month to see anything | [21:18] |
kakobrekla | nothing in my opera for bvps and month | [21:19] |
kakobrekla | a | [21:20] |
kakobrekla | interesting | [21:20] |
kakobrekla | chrome works bvps even for daily | [21:20] |
kakobrekla | :) | [21:20] |
jurov | not surprising as it's code form google | [21:20] |
jurov | i remember many more smaller orders for s.bbet, what happened? | [21:23] |
jurov | mpex coalesced them for display? | [21:23] |
Bugpowder | They got cancelled | [21:23] |
Bugpowder | buy the ordered | [21:23] |
Bugpowder | because they would not be filled | [21:23] |
Bugpowder | due to the current higher bids | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | ya i guess ppl took them away | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't do nuttin. | [21:23] |
Bugpowder | price discovery | [21:23] |
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mircea_popescu | about 1mn of the total 3mn spoken for too | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | impressive. | [21:26] |
jurov | trade will start jan 11 00:00 or 24:00 ? | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | how do you answer such a question lol | [21:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00063901 = 6.3901 BTC [-] | [21:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.000639 = 7.668 BTC [-] | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | early on the 1tth not late on the 11th | [21:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3847 @ 0.00063899 = 2.4582 BTC [-] | [21:27] |
jurov | hehe ok. i mean it like 24:00 is coming after 23:59 | [21:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 825 @ 0.36111486 = 297.9198 BTC [+] | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | well it is. | [21:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00445174 = 4.4517 BTC [-] | [21:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00445174 = 3.784 BTC [-] | [21:34] |
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jurov | [21:42] | |
jurov | true? | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | dude, from what i recall the conversation was that mpex shouldn't be splitting them | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | but treat oldest first. | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | about... one year ago | [21:43] |
jurov | thanks. for a moment my hair has risen dramatically | [21:43] |
jurov | when i imagined what would that do with coinbr | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | and the socialistic thing was a lol remark in passing | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | should i dig through logs ?! | [21:45] |
jurov | no, i believe you | [21:46] |
jurov | i must be wary of smickles in the future | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:47] |
jurov | if he uses such methods to disturb the competition | [21:47] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [21:50] |
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jurov | don't support smoking. use coinbr | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea why people'd want price conflict anyway. | [21:52] |
smickles | ;;seen thestringpuller | [21:52] |
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kakobrekla | lol | [21:53] |
kakobrekla | a loop! | [21:53] |
smickles | heh, jurov, I did start that statement with something about how I thought it was based of flawed assumptions | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | "For the past few days, I am disturbed, greatly worried, and upset about my ruthless mistake of having sex with my girlfriend. I'm a believer in Christ and my girlfriend is not. " | [21:53] |
smickles | so that's why usagi went bonkers | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | "and my girlfriend turns out to not be very good in the sack" fifh. | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | wait, there's an answer. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | Answer: | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | You raised a number of good issues and hopefully I'll be able to address most of them. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | What you describe is a typical trap of Satan. | [21:56] |
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mircea_popescu | “Our findings demonstrate that infidelity and number of sexual partners are both under moderate genetic influence (41% and 38% heritable, respectively) and the genetic correlation between these two traits is strong (47%).” | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | somebody doesn't quite grok statistix | [21:59] |
jcpham | http://torgronsund.com/2013/01/07/cofounders-and-thieves/ | [22:01] |
jcpham | that article is missing the word bitcoin | [22:01] |
jcpham | otherwise it reads like a bitcointalk post | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | must be really hard to be anonymous when your name actually is tor. | [22:01] |
jcpham | haha | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | "suddenly had been withdrawn" | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | ppl putting suddenly where suddenly doesn't belong | [22:02] |
Bugpowder | what time of the day does the bitbet betting cutoff take place? | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | i never heard of a half hour spirited bout of bank withdrawals | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla ^ | [22:03] |
Bugpowder | If betting ends on Jan 12th, when does that occur? | [22:03] |
kakobrekla | midnight gmt | [22:03] |
jcpham | it reads like the bitcoin magazine debacle | [22:03] |
Bugpowder | very important for sports betting | [22:03] |
Bugpowder | ok | [22:03] |
jcpham | where vladimir was billing them for emails | [22:03] |
Bugpowder | like start of the day or end of day midnight GMT | [22:03] |
Bugpowder | ? | [22:03] |
Bugpowder | 00:00 or 24:00 :) | [22:03] |
kakobrekla | end | [22:04] |
Bugpowder | ok | [22:04] |
kakobrekla | bettings stops before that | [22:04] |
kakobrekla | 2-7 days | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham i dunno why people got so excited. if i were involved with that caliber of idiots i'd be billing 10 btc an hour too. | [22:04] |
jcpham | he did keep good records | [22:05] |
Bugpowder | you need to expand those options | [22:05] |
Bugpowder | the 2-7 day thing | [22:05] |
kakobrekla | wait i might have given you wrong info | [22:05] |
Bugpowder | because the time decay to zero will kill late betting | [22:05] |
kakobrekla | im just cheking what i coded now | [22:06] |
Bugpowder | no you are correct | [22:06] |
jcpham | yes allow 12 hour bets so i can take money from chumps | [22:06] |
jcpham | oops did i say that | [22:06] |
Bugpowder | I want to set the resolution date later than the event | [22:06] |
Bugpowder | but cutoff betting prior to event | [22:06] |
Bugpowder | otherwise nobody will bet late. | [22:06] |
Bugpowder | so that event decay is only to ~70% of starting value | [22:06] |
Bugpowder | I would actually prefer no decay. | [22:07] |
Bugpowder | over decay to zero | [22:07] |
kakobrekla | curretly decay is from start to the time when the betting stops not the resolution date | [22:07] |
Bugpowder | mp said it wrong then | [22:07] |
Bugpowder | ok | [22:07] |
Bugpowder | is it possible to have a user selected decay rate? | [22:07] |
kakobrekla | it was planed at the begining but thrown out later on | [22:08] |
kakobrekla | i dunno | [22:08] |
Bugpowder | It is absolutely necessary if you want there to be serious betting volumen | [22:08] |
Bugpowder | most people want to bet close to event | [22:09] |
Bugpowder | but wont if they are getting 1:10 odds | [22:09] |
Bugpowder | because they are late to the party | [22:09] |
kakobrekla | odds are the same, weight is different | [22:09] |
Bugpowder | the weight defines the odds | [22:09] |
Bugpowder | for the bettor | [22:09] |
Bugpowder | any new bets are diluted | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | based on the decay | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | there is some marginal utility for a decay | [22:10] |
kakobrekla | odds of wining or losing are the same | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | your EV | [22:10] |
kakobrekla | the amount of reward differs | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | EV is all that matters | [22:10] |
kakobrekla | but thats not odds | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | ok fine | [22:10] |
kakobrekla | i mean yeah | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | EV is strongly negative | [22:11] |
kakobrekla | for different subjects | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | for both sides of a bet | [22:11] |
kakobrekla | different decay would be 'more apropriate' perhaps | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | after 25% decay | [22:11] |
kakobrekla | but decay must happen | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | if the odds are properly expressed | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | why? | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | no seriously, user-suggestable decay will prolly be in gold | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | this is beta recall. | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | decay is not used in ANY real wagering site | [22:11] |
Bugpowder | only the failure that is betsofbitcoin | [22:11] |
kakobrekla | mp will take over from here. | [22:12] |
kakobrekla | ;) | [22:12] |
Bugpowder | Anyway, I'll be back later | [22:12] |
Bugpowder | I have discussed with him too | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder the main problem is that iots so hard to user-specify | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | without reimplementing lisp | [22:12] |
Bugpowder | Then have a switch | [22:12] |
Bugpowder | decay or no decay | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | i think that's the minimal solution yes. | [22:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18958 @ 0.00063757 = 12.0871 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
jcpham | did you guys know bit-pay has an invoice tool? | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | yes | [22:13] |
jcpham | i've been wanting to play with it | [22:14] |
Bugpowder | Decay only makes sense for events like "BFL will ship by x date" | [22:14] |
Bugpowder | it does not make sense for "Broncos will beat Ravens on Saturday" | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | in a limited sense it does | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | (if you bet this week before bronco star kills itself) | [22:15] |
Bugpowder | Right | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | but certainly the linear decay makes no sense in most such situations | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | as in, it's a pretty dumb macro attempt to handle discrete events | [22:15] |
Bugpowder | Yes, a much less steep slope would be good for those circumstances | [22:15] |
Bugpowder | for binary events with a fixed event time | [22:16] |
kakobrekla | i agree | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | final/gold/retail/2.0/we you wanna call it is scheduled for february sometime | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | anyway. I'm going to hold off placing up my props until that is implemented. Ready to drop 100BTC to seed the site with some good sports bets. | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | this'd be one of the things that'd be addressed | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | NFL playoffs will be over by then | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | it's just, it's something that can benefit from a little marketplace input | [22:17] |
Bugpowder | Well I'm giving it right now | [22:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00436997 = 2.622 BTC [-] | [22:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 173 @ 0.00457769 = 0.7919 BTC [+] | [22:17] |
Bugpowder | Gotta run. talk about it later. | [22:17] |
kakobrekla | later | [22:18] |
Bugpowder | also | [22:18] |
Bugpowder | cutoff really should be able to go to 1 day before the event | [22:19] |
Bugpowder | 70% of the action come day before an event. | [22:19] |
Bugpowder | (guess) | [22:19] |
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mircea_popescu | prolly. | [22:24] |
thestringpuller | Bugpowder: you should build tha | [22:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2542 @ 0.00063757 = 1.6207 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00063747 = 5.1635 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00063698 = 3.5352 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12858 @ 0.00063603 = 8.1781 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
kakobrekla | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8m5d0_everything-is-amazing-and-nobody-i_fun#.UOswjESxrXN | [22:37] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham left that tor dood a comment. real curious if he publishes it. | [22:38] |
jcpham | heh | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | it reads | [22:38] |
jcpham | you didn't call him a moron did you? | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | This write-up is so very… noobish I have serious doubts you have any business in business. | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | And you claim to be teaching others “entrepreneurship” ?! Really ? Ridiculous. Then again I guess this is how academia became irrelevant in the marketplace, by hiring complete noobs to be “teaching”. | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | Seriously, stick to what you know and understand. Boardrooms aren’t for everyone. | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't call him a moron literally because he'd not have comprehended how true it is. | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | you have to draw it out for the morons. | [22:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2400 @ 0.00446786 = 10.7229 BTC [-] | [22:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00446786 = 0.4468 BTC [-] | [22:39] |
jcpham | that article is popular on the ycombinator scene today | [22:39] |
jcpham | as you can imagine | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | color me unsurprised. | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | fucking scenesters. | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | it's literally became a roadshow attraction. | [22:39] |
jcpham | there are a couple aggregate news sources i follow daily if i have the time | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | young-ish sorta out of shape pasty ass jew today can either go into the stand-up comedy scene or the start-up comedy scene | [22:40] |
jcpham | the HN stuff is usually hilarity | [22:40] |
jcpham | alot of the VC's thoughts and stuff | [22:40] |
jcpham | http://www.florian-rappl.de/html5/projects/SuperMario/ | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | ima end up hiring moar pr chicks. | [22:40] |
jcpham | ^ also grabbed my attention today | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | where am i to find em ;/ | [22:40] |
jcpham | pigeons will pretend to be alady | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | omg teh sound | [22:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4653 @ 0.00063851 = 2.971 BTC [+] | [22:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3917 @ 0.00064933 = 2.5434 BTC [+] | [22:50] |
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topace | would anyone object if i wrote a Havelock bot to output stuff here using identical format to assbot ? | [22:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2330 @ 0.00065144 = 1.5179 BTC [+] | [22:53] |
dub | havelock bot? | [22:54] |
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topace | dub: for trades on www.havelockinvestments.com | [22:55] |
dub | oic, check with kakobrekla | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | why not just pipe to assbot ? | [22:57] |
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topace | mircea_popescu: that would work too, how do i do that ? | [22:58] |
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topace | who wrote assbot ? | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | there's a spec somewhere | [22:58] |
topace | that would be ideal :) | [22:59] |
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topace | kakobrekla: you there? can you let me know how to interface with assbot ? | [23:01] |
jcpham | hahaha | [23:02] |
jcpham | that last line was classic | [23:02] |
dub | topace: buy it flowers and a bottle of wine | [23:03] |
topace | lol | [23:03] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen Ukto | [23:03] |
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dub | alternatively rophynol | [23:03] |
jcpham | r-o-o-f-i-e-s for assbot | [23:04] |
jcpham | working title for my sci-fi porno | [23:04] |
topace | who | grep -i assbot | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep | [23:04] |
jcpham | umount; sleep is my favorite part | [23:05] |
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mircea_popescu | maybe gf got back with a printed gpgun and fixed him. | [23:05] |
Diablo-D3 | so what happened to Ukto? | [23:06] |
Ukto | ? | [23:07] |
Ukto | yeah. what happened to ukto | [23:07] |
* | Ukto is heavily vested. needs to know | [23:07] |
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jcpham | Diablo-D3 how is DMC coming along? | [23:07] |
jcpham | when can i tour the datacenter | [23:07] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: I thought you wanted the list | [23:07] |
Diablo-D3 | jcpham: never, blame nefario | [23:07] |
jcpham | :( | [23:07] |
thestringpuller | Ukto where is dat ff7 | [23:08] |
Ukto | thestringpuller: did you get my msgs abou tit? | [23:08] |
Ukto | Diablo-D3: pm | [23:08] |
thestringpuller | how much for it? | [23:08] |
Ukto | [12:45] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [23:12] |
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Ukto | [12:23] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [23:12] |
Ukto | [23:55] |
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Ukto | althought, i am concerned about disc.. 2 | [23:13] |
Ukto | i can faintly see some light circular scratches. but being black bottom, its shiney as hell, if you run your nail back and forth over it, it does make a slight noise :/ | [23:13] |
jurov | put it into gramophone then | [23:14] |
Ukto | lol | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | I'm hoping for a site to pop up with floating rates the way intrade used to work. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | anyone here know how intrade used to work ? | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | (i never used it) | [23:15] |
Ukto | never even heard of it | [23:15] |
thestringpuller | Ukto: do you have a playstation to test them? | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | o i see, it was just a simple market simulation. | [23:19] |
Ukto | not sure where the ps1 is | [23:19] |
Ukto | but I do have a p2 and a 1st gen ps3 | [23:19] |
Ukto | ps2 | [23:19] |
Ukto | should all have support I think | [23:19] |
Ukto | althoguh | [23:20] |
Ukto | fair warning | [23:20] |
Ukto | if I start playing | [23:20] |
Ukto | I might not sell | [23:20] |
Ukto | until i have beat the game | [23:20] |
Ukto | :P | [23:20] |
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Ukto | ill see if I can test it late tonight when the kids get to bed and i can hook thign sto the tv without 1mil questions | [23:20] |
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Bugpowder | mircea_popescu I posted some sports stuff. We will see how the decay works. | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | approved. | [23:50] |
Bugpowder | how long does it take for the bet values to update? | [23:53] |
Bugpowder | should have 2 confirms | [23:53] |
Bugpowder | by now | [23:53] |
Bugpowder | showin up now | [23:56] |
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