Forum logs for 05 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there [00:00]
moiety [00:00]
asciilifeform see note re: leper colonies [00:00]
ozbot Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online [00:00]
moiety wonderful inside [00:00]
mircea_popescu The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'. [00:02]
mircea_popescu what srsly ? [00:02]
dub was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen [00:02]
dub [00:02]
mircea_popescu who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land. [00:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live? [00:03]
mircea_popescu in this sense, yes we do. [00:03]
mircea_popescu you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land. [00:03]
asciilifeform in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr. [00:04]
mircea_popescu ;;google turn eiffel slobozia [00:04]
gribble The Eiffel Tower Replica In Slobozia, Romania Is Especially Awesome: ; Slobozia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; List of Eiffel Tower replicas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [00:04]
mircea_popescu yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned. [00:04]
dub badass [00:05]
asciilifeform colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard. [00:05]
mircea_popescu ridiculous [00:05]
mircea_popescu romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house [00:05]
dub I could keep hens here but not a rooster [00:05]
mircea_popescu which means, concrete foundation, brick walls [00:05]
dub and pen must be 1m from boundary [00:06]
mircea_popescu ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole [00:06]
asciilifeform let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it [00:06]
mircea_popescu no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid. [00:07]
mircea_popescu gotta use vinyl siding crap [00:07]
asciilifeform haha [00:07]
mircea_popescu yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there." [00:07]
ninjashogun is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup) [00:08]
mircea_popescu at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule. [00:08]
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dub let me in on dat [00:08]
mircea_popescu ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ? [00:08]
ninjashogun last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now. [00:09]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [00:09]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank. [00:09]
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ninjashogun likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.) [00:09]
mircea_popescu you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree. [00:10]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 668.3, vol: 30442.54097456 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 651.595, vol: 30763.62731 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 667.0701, vol: 26145.50544682 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 670.5, vol: 142.61612675 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 659.1772, vol: 16014.00300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 672.66, vol: 26.09531654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.9838, vol: 141.26041759 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [00:10]
ninjashogun asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world. [00:10]
mircea_popescu nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you. [00:10]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: bank loan can finance a dope habit [00:10]
asciilifeform you just have to... pay it back [00:10]
asciilifeform is the intended implication that... you don't intend to? [00:11]
mircea_popescu this nonsense whereby you secrete your own fictious world where you're not an idiot in spite of actually being an idiot is unfinanceable. [00:11]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed. [00:12]
mircea_popescu jesus god. [00:12]
asciilifeform if financed, then why ask? [00:12]
pLambert mircea_popescu: do we need another trilema post about how things are supposed to work? [00:12]
mircea_popescu pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway [00:12]
ninjashogun asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company. [00:12]
asciilifeform and new one is to be to... ? [00:12]
ninjashogun asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me. [00:12]
mircea_popescu personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean" [00:13]
mircea_popescu it's been the ruin of an entire generation. [00:13]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator? [00:13]
ninjashogun to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company. [00:13]
mircea_popescu ninjashogun you are nobody. what personal ? [00:13]
mircea_popescu does your brain work at all ? [00:13]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, I'd ask you to tone it down a bit. [00:13]
mircea_popescu but i mean, at all. to an absolute modicum of minimal function. [00:13]
mircea_popescu fuck you [00:13]
asciilifeform i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money [00:13]
mircea_popescu you don't ask anything. [00:13]
BingoBoingo ;;ident ninjashogun [00:14]
gribble Nick 'ninjashogun', with hostmask 'ninjashogun!~User@', is not identified. [00:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no, because the hip thing to do is to come here each week and not wot, and then ask mp to tone it down a bit [00:14]
asciilifeform if the answer is 'pay for groceries' he has the wrong address [00:14]
mircea_popescu god forbid anyone ever tells you when you're an idiot. [00:14]
ninjashogun asciilifeform, yes, like your examples of airplane and particle acccelerator, it is physical hardware. Obviously a plane on a new design would cost millions in R&D, however we just have proprietary educational hardware and have very modest needs (under about $17K) [00:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I see. [00:14]
ninjashogun which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform [00:14]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: please consider saying what it is. [00:14]
asciilifeform if you want to have a sporting chance of interesting someone [00:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, taking ideas on how exactly one manages to help the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs. [00:15]
jborkl you would be better off going to the lending subsection on bitcointalk [00:15]
jborkl that is where those type of loans reside [00:15]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd. [00:16]
nubbins` ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need [00:17]
pLambert I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs? [00:17]
mircea_popescu "Feb 25 08:13:06 guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl." [00:17]
mircea_popescu that's where we're at. [00:17]
mircea_popescu you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye" [00:18]
mircea_popescu then copme back a week later going "hey guise pls charity ???" [00:18]
mircea_popescu you've chosen your road, you're too good to do what you're supposed to do, go do it somewhere else. [00:18]
pLambert oh, wait, these things are recorded? [00:18]
nubbins` heh [00:18]
mircea_popescu of course they're recorded. [00:18]
nubbins` every word [00:18]
mircea_popescu pLambert we've not even come to the part where he's taking a BTC denominated loan. [00:19]
pLambert getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is the hard part! [00:19]
BingoBoingo Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd [00:19]
mircea_popescu and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story [00:20]
mircea_popescu at least that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia [00:20]
BingoBoingo Unfortunately he didn't anticipate mircea_popescu's preference whereby wives be naked [00:20]
nubbins` "or list of losing bets" [00:20]
nubbins` i like it [00:20]
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mircea_popescu i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets [00:21]
BingoBoingo That's a good question [00:21]
BingoBoingo The problem with that loan structure known is it is easy to compile hypothetical losing bets after the fact [00:22]
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mircea_popescu that's ok, roger ver buys everything [00:22]
mircea_popescu he's rich, bich. [00:22]
mod6 heh [00:22]
BingoBoingo If only Betbet allowed bets open longer than a Year, "Roger Ver to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020" [00:23]
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mircea_popescu how would you ever verify it ? [00:24]
BingoBoingo Also a good question. [00:24]
BingoBoingo Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into the gambling loan from hell. [00:26]
mircea_popescu only if you talk nice to him [00:26]
mircea_popescu actually... he's probably in desperate need of a friend. [00:26]
nubbins` [00:26]
ozbot Canada Post says sorry for homophobic-flyer delivery - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [00:26]
BingoBoingo I've probably talked mean to him in the past [00:27]
nubbins` interesting that they chose that for a headline, rather than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail" [00:27]
nubbins` guess this means the price of stamps is going up [00:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ideally they stop delivering admail altogether. [00:28]
mircea_popescu that'd be a splendid measure. [00:28]
nubbins` would be even nicer [00:28]
nubbins` i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox [00:28]
nubbins` too much money in it tho [00:29]
nubbins` 40-50 cents per piece [00:29]
mircea_popescu perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in, [00:30]
mircea_popescu but if you gave it up suddenly the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore. [00:30]
mircea_popescu consider the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis [00:30]
mircea_popescu nevertheless the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds that of prostitutes. [00:31]
mircea_popescu maybe if the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years. [00:31]
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nubbins` they're trying to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone to neighbourhood "supermailboxes" [00:31]
nubbins` the elderly and infirm be damned! [00:32]
mircea_popescu so you have to go queue for your flyers ? [00:32]
nubbins` [00:32]
nubbins` not enough of them in one spot for a queue to be necessary [00:33]
nubbins` (do you think flyers still get delivered to that particular box?) [00:33]
mircea_popescu heh [00:33]
ninjashogun sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry. [00:34]
nubbins` ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself [00:34]
ninjashogun I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC. [00:34]
BingoBoingo Those seem to default more frequently than properly structured IRC loans though. [00:36]
mircea_popescu ok, which one of you trolls is impersonating satan over here ? [00:36]
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nubbins` ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity [00:36]
asciilifeform [00:37]
ozbot spamatron - [00:37]
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nubbins` lel [00:37]
nubbins` brb shepher's pie :D [00:37]
ninjashogun nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing? [00:37]
mircea_popescu you ever heard of this thing called bitcoin ? [00:38]
ninjashogun nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you that that even exists? (For cases where there is a real world identity behind both sides) [00:38]
BingoBoingo ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes. [00:38]
ninjashogun yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model. [00:39]
mircea_popescu you misheard. [00:39]
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BingoBoingo The used real world contracts to defraud, when they should have implemented a strong trust model [00:40]
ninjashogun BingoBoingo - if you trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going to be scammed one day. It takes far longer than a few minutes to verify someone's identity that you've never met. [00:40]
nubbins` you're nothing if not tenacious [00:40]
nubbins` i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for [00:40]
nubbins` almost every regular has tried [00:41]
BingoBoingo ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score" they have personalize networks. The score is the least relevant part of a WoT [00:41]
ninjashogun BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically. [00:41]
mircea_popescu actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously to someone that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0 to -100 [00:41]
mircea_popescu i guess itmust be a talent. [00:41]
asciilifeform it is so very easy to build... distrust programmatically. [00:42]
mircea_popescu incredibly, but true. this can actually be done. [00:42]
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ninjashogun mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me. [00:43]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right. [00:44]
asciilifeform actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans [00:44]
mircea_popescu that's a convenient misrepresentation. [00:44]
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mircea_popescu im pretty sure everyone here'd manage to feed his children with or without me. [00:45]
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mircea_popescu darn, beat to it again. [00:46]
mircea_popescu i really have to learn to type with both hands [00:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09299796 = 0.279 BTC [+] [00:47]
thestringpuller lol a lot Diablo 2 players with they could type with one hand [00:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] [00:53]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller what are you up to these days anyway ? [00:56]
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asciilifeform color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ? [00:58]
mircea_popescu it's a huge pile of software upon which chetty sits [00:59]
asciilifeform yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder? [01:00]
asciilifeform chetty ? [01:00]
mircea_popescu nah, there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source. [01:00]
asciilifeform remainder being the actual logic of the game [01:00]
mircea_popescu then there's crystal space, which is a collection of tools including networking and tons of other stuff [01:01]
asciilifeform there is one author, chetty? [01:01]
mircea_popescu only one credited so far. [01:01]
asciilifeform aha ok [01:01]
mircea_popescu why, you wanna dig into some C spaghetti ? [01:02]
asciilifeform just wondering which other people here commit the sin of programming. [01:02]
mircea_popescu i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me [01:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak. [01:02]
mircea_popescu and maybe nubbins. he draws. [01:02]
mircea_popescu and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ? [01:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8546 @ 0.00018001 = 1.5384 BTC [-] {3} [01:03]
wao-ender [01:04]
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ninjashogun mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind? [01:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.00567497 = 1.1974 BTC [-] {2} [01:05]
mircea_popescu yes. [01:06]
mircea_popescu ;;google s.mpoe takes strategic investor [01:06]
gribble MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [01:06]
mircea_popescu hm what was it called [01:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00464563 = 1.626 BTC [-] {14} [01:06]
mircea_popescu there [01:07]
ozbot S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:07]
mircea_popescu shame on you google. [01:07]
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mircea_popescu wao-ender what the hell is that [01:07]
wao-ender manual! [01:08]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :) [01:08]
mircea_popescu yes, it is. [01:09]
ninjashogun publicly* [01:09]
mircea_popescu time is the essence there. everything becomes public eventually. [01:09]
moiety mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning [01:09]
mircea_popescu moiety what are you learning ? php ? [01:10]
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ninjashogun is that a 38,625 BTC transaction investing in s.mpoe? [01:10]
ninjashogun sorry I don't know how to read "assbot" [01:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07550013 = 0.2265 BTC [-] [01:10]
mircea_popescu yes. [01:11]
mircea_popescu,0,1188415.story [01:12]
ozbot 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - [01:12]
mircea_popescu i wonder what css is then [01:12]
ninjashogun well, congratulations [01:12]
moiety mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book [01:12]
asciilifeform XX% click random box when answering survey. news at 11... [01:13]
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mircea_popescu moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples. [01:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it. [01:13]
mircea_popescu "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences. [01:13]
asciilifeform well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer [01:13]
mircea_popescu the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling [01:14]
mircea_popescu they know they got nothing [01:14]
asciilifeform haha [01:14]
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moiety mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :) [01:14]
ninjashogun moiety, what are you building? [01:15]
mircea_popescu so then work it that way. build an exchange [01:15]
moiety my kingdom! [01:15]
moiety erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD [01:15]
asciilifeform moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?) [01:15]
asciilifeform good project for beginner [01:16]
asciilifeform (guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap) [01:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so what does she do, import blockchain ? [01:16]
ninjashogun Chapter 1)


Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange

asciilifeform use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is) [01:17]
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mircea_popescu moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ? [01:18]
moiety no i haven't attempted it [01:18]
asciilifeform and spew forth 'listtransactions ....' and 'sendrawtransaction ....' etc [01:18]
asciilifeform no need for special programming language support. [01:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform your project may be outside of what she conveniently approaches. [01:18]
asciilifeform easier project, for complete beginner, then [01:19]
asciilifeform translate to modern programming language of your choice [01:19]
mircea_popescu you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen. [01:20]
asciilifeform hah [01:20]
asciilifeform what would you suggest - 'hello world' ? [01:20]
mircea_popescu who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway [01:20]
asciilifeform problems have to be interesting [01:20]
asciilifeform or student goes somewhere far away [01:20]
moiety i'll try this! [01:21]
mircea_popescu well this is true [01:21]
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mircea_popescu moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose [01:21]
ninjashogun asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code? [01:21]
asciilifeform nope. [01:21]
asciilifeform it is far older than i. [01:21]
asciilifeform and was originally fortran. [01:22]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit [01:22]
asciilifeform righto [01:22]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mixdio [01:22]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mixdio [01:22]
ninjashogun okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points... [01:22]
mircea_popescu didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ? [01:22]
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ninjashogun mircea_popescu, good guess! Congrats. [01:23]
asciilifeform the version on my page ( is js [01:23]
asciilifeform a very hasty js [01:23]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :) [01:23]
mircea_popescu probably cause it's written by perlispers stuck in a basic body [01:23]
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asciilifeform don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic [01:24]
moiety you just gave me the answer! [01:24]
Namworld I need to borrow auroracoins [01:25]
ninjashogun don't peek, moiety :) [01:25]
mircea_popescu Namworld i don't have any [01:25]
asciilifeform from the lulzfarm: [01:25]
Namworld So freakishly bad [01:25]
nubbins` [01:25]
ozbot Dead soldier gets 1-cent cheque from federal government - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton [01:25]
mircea_popescu for ich bin nicht ein islandeer [01:25]
nubbins` BRUTAL [01:25]
ninjashogun no life is worthless :/ [01:26]
nubbins` also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons [01:27]
nubbins` but seriously, imagine [01:27]
nubbins` two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny [01:27]
mircea_popescu i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then [01:28]
ninjashogun “I extend the apologies of … everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country,” he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny." [01:29]
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mircea_popescu lmao they said that ?! [01:29]
nubbins` no ;( [01:29]
moiety omg insult to injury or what [01:29]
nubbins` they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything. [01:30]
mircea_popescu what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ? [01:30]
Namworld the last part wasn't said. [01:30]
mircea_popescu hey, here's our 2c [01:30]
moiety reminds me of [01:30]
nubbins` if it was 3 they'd round it to 5 [01:30]
mircea_popescu i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back [01:31]
Namworld No, it only becomes acceptable at 5.50$ or higher. [01:31]
mircea_popescu she went pale [01:31]
Namworld Obviously [01:31]
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mircea_popescu [01:37]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus [01:37]
mircea_popescu this guy's too good, for srs. [01:37]
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moiety oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu [01:37]
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mircea_popescu very smart guy. [01:38]
mircea_popescu he should have his own school. [01:38]
moiety honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks [01:39]
moiety felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital [01:39]
moiety (where i worked btw!!!!) [01:39]
mircea_popescu actually he should probably have his own country. [01:40]
mircea_popescu putin is ok, but what if ballas was dictator-general of latvia or something [01:40]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.) [01:42]
mircea_popescu i dunno [01:42]
mircea_popescu i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah [01:42]
mircea_popescu tho arguably less demanding. [01:43]
asciilifeform to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other. [01:43]
mircea_popescu lol [01:44]
asciilifeform s/ractor/parry [01:44]
mircea_popescu who won ? [01:44]
asciilifeform [01:44]
ozbot Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other [01:44]
asciilifeform there we go [01:44]
mircea_popescu afaik it was actually ractor [01:44]
mircea_popescu wasn't it the schizzo ? [01:44]
asciilifeform parry [01:44]
asciilifeform (robo-schizzo) [01:45]
asciilifeform eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink) [01:45]
mircea_popescu it was ractor tho [01:45]
mircea_popescu hm [01:46]
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mircea_popescu wtf was ractor! [01:46]
asciilifeform PARRY: I went to the races. [01:46]
asciilifeform ELIZA: Please go on. [01:46]
asciilifeform PARRY: Do you know anything about bookies? [01:46]
asciilifeform ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies? [01:46]
asciilifeform PARRY: A bookie didn't pay me off once. [01:46]
asciilifeform ELIZA: What does that suggest to you? [01:46]
asciilifeform PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me [01:46]
moiety mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: [01:46]
asciilifeform if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories [01:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza [01:48]
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mircea_popescu you know we should probably make a decoy chatroom [01:49]
mircea_popescu each write a bot [01:49]
* asciilifeform blows dust off shelf [01:49]
asciilifeform 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci [01:49]
* mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao [01:49]
asciilifeform good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers [01:50]
mircea_popescu i dun think i ever read it [01:50]
asciilifeform it's not a famous mega-work [01:50]
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ninjashogun mirceau - could I have a copy of please? It was linked from this interesting that BingoBoingo linked me. [01:52]
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mircea_popescu btw [01:52]
ozbot Index of /afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry [01:52]
mircea_popescu so what's wrong with clicking the link ? [01:52]
mircea_popescu and why do you spell my name like deprived ? [01:53]
* BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it [01:53]
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kakobrekla ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end. [01:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [01:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00479308 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {2} [01:54]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner [01:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen [01:55]
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ninjashogun asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation. [01:57]
ninjashogun asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it. [01:58]
benkay` ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet. [01:58]
benkay` :) [01:58]
mircea_popescu the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity [01:58]
ninjashogun hi, benkay` [01:58]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, could you elaborate? [01:58]
asciilifeform spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time [01:58]
asciilifeform i get it [01:58]
benkay` asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today [01:59]
asciilifeform for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later. [01:59]
mircea_popescu ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have. [01:59]
benkay` general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole" [01:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick? [02:00]
benkay` ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc? [02:00]
mircea_popescu benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love. [02:00]
benkay` ya it's a pretty strong lure [02:01]
benkay` anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do [02:01]
ninjashogun benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets. [02:01]
ninjashogun For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do. [02:01]
benkay` ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation [02:01]
kakobrekla what did you learn about bitcoin-assets ? [02:01]
ninjashogun Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting. [02:02]
benkay` of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc. [02:02]
mircea_popescu you're nuts yo. [02:02]
mircea_popescu bootstrapping happened in 2011 [02:02]
mircea_popescu i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him. [02:02]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here. [02:02]
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ninjashogun yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this! [02:03]
ninjashogun It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal. [02:03]
mircea_popescu i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article [02:03]
ninjashogun I haven't finished reading it, no. [02:03]
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mircea_popescu anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting. [02:04]
ninjashogun I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin" [02:04]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [02:04]
BingoBoingo [02:04]
ozbot Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot [02:04]
ninjashogun yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC [02:04]
ninjashogun well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'. [02:05]
mircea_popescu perhaps not as similar as all that. [02:05]
BingoBoingo Which links to [02:05]
ninjashogun No, very different. [02:05]
mircea_popescu the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility. [02:06]
mircea_popescu like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be. [02:06]
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ninjashogun so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu. [02:06]
mircea_popescu nao BingoBoingo can run his vax moar. [02:07]
BingoBoingo Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy [02:07]
ninjashogun I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian) [02:08]
mircea_popescu i do. [02:08]
ninjashogun just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those) [02:08]
Duffer1 MP's library is mostly rosetta stone modules :P [02:09]
ninjashogun mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians? [02:09]
mircea_popescu i don't hate them as a brazilian either. [02:09]
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ninjashogun :) [02:09]
ninjashogun I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others. [02:10]
mircea_popescu it's greatly exaggerated for narrative effect. [02:10]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price? [02:10]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. probably. [02:10]
ninjashogun it's pretty interesting [02:11]
ninjashogun and did you stay there or emigrate? [02:11]
mircea_popescu i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho. [02:11]
benkay` .bait [02:11]
ozbot [02:11]
benkay` score [02:11]
benkay` .bait [02:11]
ozbot [02:11]
mircea_popescu [02:12]
benkay` the left, for sure. [02:12]
ninjashogun benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :) [02:12]
benkay` really gets me going [02:12]
benkay` girl's wearing too much. [02:13]
benkay` er [02:13]
benkay` not wearing enough [02:13]
ninjashogun dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? [02:13]
ninjashogun what have they done to that poor site [02:13]
mircea_popescu web 2.0 [02:14]
mircea_popescu it's a std. [02:14]
ninjashogun I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now. [02:14]
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mircea_popescu -assets : the gift that keeps on giving [02:15]
mircea_popescu please clap. [02:15]
BingoBoingo Nothing but STDs here [02:15]
mircea_popescu benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone. [02:16]
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asciilifeform everyone remembers baron munchausen's horse? [02:17]
mircea_popescu bucephalus ? [02:17]
asciilifeform nah that's alex [02:17]
mircea_popescu waitwat [02:17]
asciilifeform the one that drinks [02:17]
benkay` mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes [02:18]
asciilifeform [02:18]
benkay` "men" [02:18]
asciilifeform horse gets chopped in half and doesn't notice [02:18]
asciilifeform keeps drinking [02:18]
benkay` also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz [02:18]
BingoBoingo moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site? [02:18]
mircea_popescu benkay` that was in plattdeutschland [02:18]
benkay` still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions [02:19]
mircea_popescu cause i deeply care about everyone ? [02:20]
benkay` just out of manners i think i keep walking [02:20]
benkay` whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited [02:20]
mircea_popescu well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something. [02:20]
benkay` most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip... [02:20]
mircea_popescu the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts. [02:21]
mircea_popescu dog 1 : human 0 fcol. [02:21]
KRS-One [02:21]
ozbot karpeles finger - Imgur [02:21]
KRS-One hah [02:21]
benkay` people man [02:22]
benkay` they know not to get involved [02:22]
benkay` i'm an idiot though [02:22]
benkay` look at me, i got involved with bitcoin [02:22]
mircea_popescu dat guy looks so french KRS-One [02:22]
benkay` FML [02:22]
mircea_popescu how's your lisp-of-everything coming along ? [02:22]
asciilifeform benkay`: and what about chumpatron [02:22]
asciilifeform i think i missed something earlier [02:22]
benkay` it comes [02:22]
benkay` haltingly [02:23]
benkay` ragel requires some oop boilerplate [02:23]
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benkay` so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow [02:23]
benkay` advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java [02:23]
benkay` would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month [02:24]
* mircea_popescu hates java [02:24]
benkay` dat cube farm stench. [02:24]
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benkay` asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in" [02:25]
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mircea_popescu tbh : i don't actually hate java, [02:25]
mircea_popescu it's whatever, c flavoured. [02:25]
mircea_popescu i hate the java machine bullcrap [02:25]
benkay` i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang [02:26]
benkay` i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/. [02:26]
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moiety BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in [02:27]
BingoBoingo moiety: Still Doge? [02:27]
moiety it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community. [02:28]
moiety like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that [02:28]
BingoBoingo True [02:29]
mircea_popescu so moiety is basically discordian and unconformant in absolutely every which way. [02:29]
wao-ender lul [02:30]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron. [02:30]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha great [02:30]
asciilifeform 'honest chumpatron' - like 'pleasurable woodchipper' ? [02:31]
asciilifeform or what [02:31]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I imagine an honest chumpatron is kind of like an idiot reserve. [02:32]
mircea_popescu wao-ender did yo uever finish mayhem ? [02:32]
moiety mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly [02:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:32]
mircea_popescu moiety just make sure you document well what you do [02:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron [02:33]
mircea_popescu quite respectable, too. [02:33]
asciilifeform might be nice to see this one explained [02:34]
moiety document? [02:34]
mircea_popescu moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it. [02:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok, ever read villon ? [02:35]
moiety yeah, you're right, i really should. [02:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sadly, no, only here: [02:37]
wao-ender dude, totally want one [02:37]
mircea_popescu you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe. [02:37]
mircea_popescu but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ? [02:38]
asciilifeform oh yes. [02:38]
mircea_popescu as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari" [02:38]
mircea_popescu ok, so going to the university has a cost. [02:38]
mircea_popescu yet people submitted to it. [02:39]
mircea_popescu willingly. [02:39]
asciilifeform not that different from monasticism [02:39]
mircea_popescu for the pleasure and enjoyment of... the company. OF OTHER LOSERS LIKE THEM [02:39]
asciilifeform (no prizes for guessing why) [02:39]
mircea_popescu what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ? [02:39]
asciilifeform i sorta tried to explain this in a post [02:39]
mircea_popescu i mean there's no requirement that the chump don't enjoy it [02:40]
asciilifeform correct [02:40]
mircea_popescu or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it [02:40]
mircea_popescu all that;s required is that he can never go back [02:40]
asciilifeform casino is an incontrovertible chumpatron [02:40]
mircea_popescu which is to say, an entalpic process [02:40]
asciilifeform hence 'fuel' analogy [02:40]
mircea_popescu indeed. [02:40]
mircea_popescu perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power [02:41]
mircea_popescu rather than in proper thermodynamics notions of reversibility [02:41]
asciilifeform thermodynamics notions of reversibility << this was the exact intended meaning. [02:41]
mircea_popescu so then we understand each other. [02:42]
asciilifeform i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn [02:44]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, caught your Romanian sentence. Google Translate offers, "scribes cheese-n cuiu, sour milk-n inkwell, chiu and valleys pockets "" [02:44]
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ninjashogun :/ [02:44]
wao-ender wickeeed [02:45]
mircea_popescu logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock. [02:45]
mircea_popescu basically, a congressional aide. [02:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, and freshmen don't want to burn ? [02:46]
asciilifeform surely. [02:46]
asciilifeform uni is certainly a chumpatron. [02:46]
asciilifeform as is any army, etc [02:46]
mircea_popescu army perhaps not. [02:47]
mircea_popescu it actually pays out more than it takes in. [02:47]
mircea_popescu it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme [02:47]
asciilifeform true, there are '+EV' armies [02:47]
asciilifeform depends on time/place [02:47]
mircea_popescu there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field [02:48]
mircea_popescu when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way [02:48]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole. [02:49]
moiety i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all [02:49]
asciilifeform for those who have not read classics, but like pulp sf, this is featured in 'thrones' - 'we do not sow (TM)' [02:49]
mircea_popescu moiety i think he was talking about doge [02:50]
moiety oh, i hope so. i know he is allergic [02:51]
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mircea_popescu "magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA. [02:52]
mircea_popescu When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr [02:52]
mircea_popescu elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse [02:52]
mircea_popescu of a capitalist." [02:52]
mircea_popescu this is absurdly generous. [02:52]
mircea_popescu slavegirl. not spouse. [02:52]
mircea_popescu you don't marry english grads. [02:52]
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asciilifeform where was this [02:55]
mircea_popescu [02:56]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1 [02:56]
asciilifeform aha [02:56]
mircea_popescu the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted. [02:56]
asciilifeform Butugychag. [02:56]
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KRS-One mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works. [02:56]
mircea_popescu KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works. [02:57]
asciilifeform lol [02:57]
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ninjashogun mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand) [02:58]
KRS-One I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing. [02:58]
mircea_popescu i don't code, really. [02:58]
mircea_popescu KRS-One i always thought it's insecure, and insecurable [02:58]
mircea_popescu many things are not. basic, for instance, is eminently secure. [02:58]
KRS-One tbh i dont know much about securing java..that could be. [02:58]
ninjashogun so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration) [02:58]
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ninjashogun demonstration* [02:59]
KRS-One afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory. [02:59]
mircea_popescu ninjashogun i just did what i always do, told people what to do. [02:59]
ninjashogun oh, okay [02:59]
mircea_popescu i'm one of those. [02:59]
ninjashogun I thought you did understand code quite well though [02:59]
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mircea_popescu well, that i don't. however, i do understand quite well when i don't understand something. [03:00]
mircea_popescu turns out this is actually much more useful. [03:00]
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ninjashogun yes [03:02]
ninjashogun What busienss were you in before this site? [03:02]
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mircea_popescu you know... it's not a site. [03:03]
ninjashogun company then [03:03]
mircea_popescu [03:05]
ozbot Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | [03:05]
mircea_popescu there, klint has the scoop [03:05]
ninjashogun mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on [03:05]
asciilifeform interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd [03:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how would they know. [03:06]
asciilifeform could, well... ask someone. [03:06]
mircea_popescu when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened. [03:06]
kakobrekla [03:06]
mircea_popescu game of power. [03:06]
benkay` klint's a rad dude [03:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla now write a pow based on that [03:06]
mircea_popescu kakokoin [03:06]
benkay` your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu [03:07]
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kakobrekla lol [03:07]
mircea_popescu benkay` mpilf ? [03:07]
ninjashogun your name also came up in private chat with BingoBoingo oh about half an hour ago [03:07]
benkay` can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means [03:07]
moiety that made me dizzy kakobrekla [03:07]
kakobrekla free drugs. [03:07]
benkay` well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was [03:08]
benkay` i said get on irc and say hi [03:08]
benkay` ('crazy romanian' are my words) [03:08]
kakobrekla (he used 'fucked in the head') [03:08]
kakobrekla :D [03:08]
mircea_popescu hey guise, you really think i'm... eh nevermind [03:09]
kakobrekla lmao [03:09]
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ninjashogun mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way. [03:10]
ninjashogun you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it. [03:10]
ninjashogun Not just due to the valuation either. [03:10]
ninjashogun more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol [03:10]
Jere_Jones mircea_popescu Why openbsd? [03:10]
mircea_popescu hopefully not many more people find out [03:10]
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mircea_popescu Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw. [03:11]
benkay` mircea_popescu "not in the head!" [03:11]
mircea_popescu no, i guess not in the head. [03:11]
kakobrekla :D [03:11]
moiety careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit [03:12]
kakobrekla lol moiety , those are not free! [03:12]
mircea_popescu imgur pimpin [03:12]
* moiety goes to sell her tv [03:13]
kakobrekla but you need the tv for it to project the drugs [03:13]
kakobrekla jeez. [03:13]
moiety omg what am i thinking [03:13]
moiety sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur [03:13]
kakobrekla you should be fine in an hour. [03:13]
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moiety lolol [03:14]
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decimation ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on << [03:18]
decimation asciilifeform I quite enjoy your translations of Herr Tepes [03:20]
asciilifeform there's a better one somewhere [03:20]
mircea_popescu ya but it's probably not in the wot. [03:21]
ninjashogun decimation, why did you quote that? [03:21]
decimation the one with the two monks well delinates orthodox Christianity from rapid puritanism [03:21]
decimation I thought that there was a parallel there [03:22]
decimation one who acknowledges authority but does not acknowledge its wisdom [03:22]
ninjashogun so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely? [03:22]
ninjashogun e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem? [03:22]
ninjashogun including IRC here? [03:22]
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mircea_popescu it already does substitute for it completely. [03:24]
copumpkin anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages? [03:24]
mircea_popescu just, the vc circus hasn't yet found out, because we don't finance the circus. [03:24]
decimation [03:25]
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mircea_popescu decimation is like the lord of the quotes tonight [03:25]
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decimation I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein [03:26]
mircea_popescu too [03:27]
ozbot Mind your step. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:27]
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ThickAsThieves The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized. [03:28]
mircea_popescu decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words. [03:28]
ThickAsThieves $25 fine now [03:28]
mircea_popescu wow [03:28]
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mircea_popescu they are going to lose fucking control of that place. [03:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled [03:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2 [03:30]
mircea_popescu easements like this are very fucking dangerous [03:30]
mircea_popescu as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel [03:30]
asciilifeform the sardines are already doped to the gills [03:30]
mircea_popescu it's relatively easy living french peasants that get an easement, which suddenly makes all restraints unbearable [03:30]
asciilifeform ahahaha [03:31]
asciilifeform yes [03:31]
mircea_popescu so... another couple of these, they're going to end up with hostage senate. [03:31]
decimation now that colorado has 'decriminalized' the other states are going to race to the bottom [03:32]
asciilifeform the bastards know this, and so all the easements are sham [03:32]
mircea_popescu if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter [03:33]
asciilifeform all this is is an attempt to tax an already plentiful and omnipresent supply of mj [03:33]
ThickAsThieves seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do [03:33]
decimation actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw [03:33]
ThickAsThieves but potheads also love bitcoin [03:33]
mircea_popescu decimation this only seems perfect. it's in fact disastrous. [03:33]
mircea_popescu like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo [03:33]
mircea_popescu till the air runs out [03:33]
ThickAsThieves actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true [03:33]
ThickAsThieves how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur [03:34]
mircea_popescu just buy a judge [03:34]
mircea_popescu what was the expression, "roof" ? [03:34]
ThickAsThieves the roof is back, carry on [03:34]
decimation "trustfullness" is what civilization is built upon [03:35]
decimation once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done [03:35]
ThickAsThieves like now? [03:35]
asciilifeform decimation: not much risk of this [03:35]
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ThickAsThieves except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams [03:36]
ThickAsThieves it's painful [03:36]
mircea_popescu the book of doom after tat [03:36]
ThickAsThieves ? [03:37]
ThickAsThieves i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd [03:37]
mircea_popescu "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards [03:38]
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mircea_popescu and the clowds did billow smoke" [03:38]
ThickAsThieves 5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone [03:38]
decimation [03:38]
ozbot Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey [03:38]
decimation "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ½ of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. " [03:39]
ThickAsThieves there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times [03:39]
ThickAsThieves wtf [03:39]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways [03:39]
mircea_popescu which is why sane people (ie, germans) don't have upper limits, [03:39]
mircea_popescu they have lower limits [03:39]
decimation the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits [03:40]
asciilifeform in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax. [03:40]
ThickAsThieves agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets [03:41]
decimation officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron [03:41]
asciilifeform alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away [03:41]
ThickAsThieves (no i was not pulled over anytime recently) [03:41]
ThickAsThieves my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs [03:41]
ThickAsThieves i* [03:42]
mircea_popescu i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing [03:42]
ThickAsThieves i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver [03:42]
mircea_popescu finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris [03:42]
ThickAsThieves she [03:42]
ThickAsThieves "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list." [03:44]
ThickAsThieves guffaw! scammers! [03:44]
decimation an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are [03:44]
mircea_popescu decimation explai nhow this actual police force works. [03:46]
asciilifeform rome -> 'auctoritas', rus. -> 'авторитет', english -> ?????? [03:46]
mircea_popescu suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force. [03:46]
asciilifeform because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority' [03:46]
asciilifeform what's the word - anyone? [03:46]
mircea_popescu automobile [03:46]
decimation the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master [03:47]
mircea_popescu well say the population is 1mn. [03:47]
mircea_popescu i hire one policeman ? [03:47]
decimation if the policeman acts responisbly, he is rewarded, otherwise, punished [03:47]
ninjashogun good night [03:47]
mircea_popescu wait wait. [03:47]
mircea_popescu how do i hire him ? [03:47]
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decimation certainly not from a 'police academy' [03:47]
asciilifeform the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' ! [03:47]
mircea_popescu potestas ? [03:47]
asciilifeform ah yea [03:48]
BingoBoingo I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man. [03:48]
mircea_popescu well, how do i get these then ? [03:48]
BingoBoingo For the police officer you search for people who can maintain their own harem. [03:49]
decimation I guess the traditional method is from the children of the local nobles [03:49]
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mircea_popescu so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt. [03:49]
BingoBoingo For the policeman you take the local schlubs and have the officers discipline them [03:49]
mircea_popescu because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father. [03:49]
BingoBoingo I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed [03:50]
mircea_popescu you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem. [03:50]
BingoBoingo Loses their commision [03:50]
ThickAsThieves how about you have simple laws that simple men can enforce [03:50]
mircea_popescu if the slut is allowed free rein, you have just destroyed the separation. [03:50]
ThickAsThieves anything too complicated to be enforced cannot be law [03:50]
mircea_popescu if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable. [03:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ? [03:51]
BingoBoingo The slut's free reign comes at cost to the father. [03:51]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo father is dead. [03:51]
mircea_popescu he doesn't carry weight in this discussion [03:51]
ThickAsThieves not sure what you mean [03:51]
ThickAsThieves if yer invaded you fight [03:51]
ThickAsThieves if you lose [03:51]
ThickAsThieves new rules [03:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society [03:51]
mircea_popescu which in turn limits overal complexity in your system [03:51]
ThickAsThieves the limit is reality [03:51]
mircea_popescu a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse [03:51]
ThickAsThieves if it cant be enforced [03:52]
mircea_popescu itd still fuck you i nthe field. [03:52]
ThickAsThieves how can it be law [03:52]
mircea_popescu as it is now. [03:52]
ThickAsThieves the curation is in the lawmaking [03:52]
mircea_popescu somalia has very simple laws. [03:52]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place [03:52]
asciilifeform Obligatory: [03:52]
asciilifeform [03:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo perhaps. what if he doesn't ? [03:52]
ThickAsThieves i'm thinking out loud here, neve rput much thought into this topic [03:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Death by exile? [03:53]
ThickAsThieves other than to observe when law goes absurd [03:53]
mircea_popescu civil war. [03:53]
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ThickAsThieves like a hippocratic oath [03:53]
ThickAsThieves an officer's job is to help [03:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you resolve nothing with this bandaid. [03:54]
ThickAsThieves if they are helping no one [03:54]
mircea_popescu the tension is still there, you merely force people into hypocrisy [03:54]
mircea_popescu sooner or later it will blow [03:54]
ThickAsThieves why iis the law beig enforced [03:54]
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ThickAsThieves like a highway stop for 10mph too fast [03:54]
mircea_popescu the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one [03:54]
mircea_popescu that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm [03:54]
ThickAsThieves can he evaluate that i was? [03:55]
mircea_popescu that you WEREN'T [03:55]
mircea_popescu that's your verb [03:55]
ThickAsThieves hehe [03:55]
ThickAsThieves wasnt [03:55]
mircea_popescu well ya [03:55]
decimation mircea, you would give the Devil the benefit of law? [03:56]
ThickAsThieves so basically you can't win [03:56]
mircea_popescu depends. [03:56]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not for your definition of "Win" i'm affraid. [03:56]
ThickAsThieves i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical [03:56]
mircea_popescu glwt [03:56]
ThickAsThieves it'd echo thru all things [03:57]
mircea_popescu i want all chicks to be taller. [03:57]
ThickAsThieves i can accept harmony isnt possible [03:57]
ThickAsThieves but we can certainly do better [03:57]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of harmony [03:57]
mircea_popescu it's a matter of "let everything be better" [03:57]
mircea_popescu well... fuck. why didn't i thinl of that. [03:57]
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ThickAsThieves to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable? [03:59]
decimation why is your joy their problem? [04:00]
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ThickAsThieves see what i mean [04:00]
ThickAsThieves ;) [04:00]
decimation hehe [04:00]
asciilifeform ok time for musical interlude. [04:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i came to romania after all. [04:00]
mircea_popescu "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where, [04:01]
mircea_popescu say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would [04:01]
mircea_popescu be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit." [04:01]
asciilifeform russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder [04:01]
asciilifeform wrote a book. [04:01]
asciilifeform 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot' [04:01]
asciilifeform had a spiffy quote in there [04:01]
mircea_popescu not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ? [04:01]
mircea_popescu aok [04:01]
asciilifeform 'Американец не считает, что человек в форме — бандит, с которым нужно договариваться. Он считает, что это робот, которого нужно бояться. Американские правоохранительные органы способны, искусно нажимая на клавиши многочисленн [04:01]
asciilifeform ых законов и предписаний, «оформить» самый незначительный проступок как чудовищное деяние. Фэбээровцам не нужно было избивать Монику Левински или подбрасывать ей в сумочку патроны и героин. Дача ложных показаний — преступле [04:01]
asciilifeform ние, воспринимаемое в России как мелочь, — в Соединенных Штатах действительно способна повлечь за собой 26 лет тюрьмы. Тот факт, что речь, по сути дела, шла о молодой девушке, не желавшей признать свою любовную связь с женатым му [04:01]
asciilifeform жчиной, в США никого бы не волновал. Принцип машины означает: сделал — получи. Машина неумолима и неподкупна.' [04:01]
asciilifeform translation roughly below: [04:02]
ThickAsThieves moving to Romania falling on which side of things mp? [04:02]
ThickAsThieves people who do whatever the fuck makes sense to them? [04:02]
ThickAsThieves i'm not too familiar with the people [04:03]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no, just, tards. [04:03]
ThickAsThieves ah [04:03]
ThickAsThieves "I just called Mt Gox asking for my the recording" [04:03]
ThickAsThieves [04:04]
ozbot MtSushi [04:04]
asciilifeform 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition. [04:05]
asciilifeform The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.' [04:05]
ThickAsThieves "i cant say anything more than on the website" [04:05]
asciilifeform ( for the linguistically non-challenged) [04:05]
asciilifeform lovely illustrations, for those who are. [04:05]
mircea_popescu honestly i don't see it. [04:06]
mircea_popescu i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact, [04:06]
mircea_popescu but irl i know of no system more corrupt than reagan's us [04:06]
mircea_popescu except of course each subsequent one. [04:07]
asciilifeform it's arranged a bit differently. [04:07]
asciilifeform you have to buy them in bulk. [04:07]
mircea_popescu but you have acces to unlimited credit. [04:07]
asciilifeform which is why there isn't really a market [04:07]
asciilifeform in the usual sense [04:07]
mircea_popescu so then... [04:07]
ThickAsThieves i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off" [04:07]
asciilifeform more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store [04:08]
mircea_popescu basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot [04:08]
mircea_popescu you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in. [04:08]
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asciilifeform nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him. [04:08]
mircea_popescu a so good then [04:09]
asciilifeform quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off [04:09]
Duffer1 just searched the church in stick of truth [04:09]
Duffer1 found 'boy sized leash' [04:09]
decimation as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine [04:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery [04:10]
mircea_popescu is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks [04:10]
ThickAsThieves burn your bra, but don't touch that flag [04:11]
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mircea_popescu alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid. [04:12]
mircea_popescu perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think [04:12]
ThickAsThieves lol twitter is advertising a prospectus to me [04:12]
moiety i've been up for two days, im going to bed now, night all :) [04:12]
ThickAsThieves Fantex Brokerage Service [04:13]
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ThickAsThieves nite [04:13]
ThickAsThieves Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on [04:13]
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ThickAsThieves lol [04:13]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter. [04:14]
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mircea_popescu i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly. [04:14]
ThickAsThieves twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board [04:15]
decimation maybe they can monetize retweets [04:15]
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ThickAsThieves [04:20]
ozbot Teen Sues Parents, Claiming They Owe Her Money For College : The Two-Way : NPR [04:20]
ThickAsThieves Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry." [04:21]
asciilifeform log.*assets has borked utf8! [04:21]
asciilifeform shame. [04:21]
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ThickAsThieves i have a new slogan for kako's brand building [04:21]
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ThickAsThieves Superservitude with an attitude. [04:22]
mircea_popescu caning eh ? [04:22]
asciilifeform doktor prescribes - gasenwagen. [04:23]
mircea_popescu nah [04:24]
mircea_popescu cheerleaders should be beaten not killed. [04:24]
mircea_popescu you can gas her mom if you absolutely must drakulize [04:24]
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kakobrekla hrm that used to work. [04:28]
kakobrekla it never ends with this log, it ell you. [04:29]
ThickAsThieves "You a female; I'm a dude. I'm not learning nothing from you. I just want to see you. So whatever you're talking about, I probably don't really care. I wanna just look at you." [04:30]
benkay` curse of the web, kakobrekla [04:30]
ThickAsThieves re: why there are no female rappers [04:30]
asciilifeform [04:30]
ozbot Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science [04:30]
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asciilifeform 'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This … really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldn’t work (or that the director didn’t have a Ph.D.) [04:30]
asciilifeform . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything I’ve heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.' [04:30]
benkay`;all [04:31]
ozbot Peter R's theory on the collapse of MtGox and its effect on the price of bitcoin [04:31]
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kakobrekla Х х Ц ц Ч ч Ш ш Щ щ Ъ ъ Ы ы Ь ь Э э Ю ю Я я [04:32]
mircea_popescu " I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business" << dat fiat wot. [04:33]
kakobrekla hm [04:33]
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ThickAsThieves You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award. [04:33]
mircea_popescu seriously ? who in his right mind can say this ? [04:33]
mircea_popescu then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin. [04:33]
mircea_popescu he doesn't want to. cause admitting how fucking stupid he is would burn. [04:33]
ThickAsThieves Please be aware that these additional confidentiality protections may in some cases limit or delay the SEC's ability to disclose your identity to certain other agencies, regulators or other third parties. For that reason, we suggest you check "no" if you are submitting your information in order to seek our assistance to resolve an issue [04:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00484373 = 0.9687 BTC [+] {5} [04:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?) [04:34]
ThickAsThieves In addition, if you do not wish to be considered for an award and you intend for us to coordinate with another government agency or regulator, checking "no" may help facilitate this process. [04:34]
asciilifeform that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd' [04:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but look at it. i used to think i can make such representations of people, until i was about 17 or so. [04:34]
mircea_popescu do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ? [04:35]
asciilifeform nope [04:35]
mircea_popescu well how can this be. [04:35]
asciilifeform NIF remains a boondoggle. [04:35]
mircea_popescu no argument [04:35]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves wut you on about spammor [04:35]
ThickAsThieves sry [04:35]
ThickAsThieves just thought it was funny [04:35]
ThickAsThieves from SEC's report a scam page [04:36]
mircea_popescu incredibly arrogant these schmucks [04:36]
mircea_popescu "o, we have a webpage". great. so does any 14 yo singer-songwriter. [04:36]
asciilifeform 'Two NIF whistleblowers who didn’t die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).' [04:36]
BingoBoingo Inner workings of a chumpatron [04:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how come nobody killed lucy c ? [04:36]
asciilifeform why kill when you can 'lower into bitchdom' [04:37]
mircea_popescu why didn't they make the straight shooter guy into a twink then [04:37]
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asciilifeform idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet. [04:38]
mircea_popescu or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal. [04:38]
mircea_popescu benkay` da fuck is peter r [04:38]
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mircea_popescu jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices. [04:39]
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mircea_popescu why so many hipsters ? [04:39]
asciilifeform [04:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082977 = 6.0158 BTC [+] [04:40]
asciilifeform my take (You Heard It Here First (tm) !) [04:40]
asciilifeform locklin is off the mark [04:40]
asciilifeform Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring. [04:41]
asciilifeform and threatened to take it somewhere useful [04:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1970 @ 0.000183 = 0.3605 BTC [-] [04:41]
asciilifeform brass ring -> pure laser-initiated fusion [04:41]
asciilifeform (not necessarily of the controlled kind) [04:41]
asciilifeform thermonuke without fissiles [04:41]
asciilifeform holy grail. [04:41]
mircea_popescu maybe he got depressed over not finding any nailguns. [04:41]
asciilifeform pop one, instant glass parking lot, no fallout [04:42]
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asciilifeform and no rare materials needed [04:42]
benkay` how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research [04:42]
asciilifeform to build. [04:42]
benkay` "research" "swamp wading" [04:42]
benkay` "pig wrestling" [04:42]
mircea_popescu do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ? [04:43]
mod6 haha [04:43]
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benkay` sounds translation-worthy... [04:44]
mircea_popescu bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal : [04:44]
mircea_popescu either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets. [04:44]
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mircea_popescu snow white agrees to suck him off. [04:44]
mircea_popescu at some point wolf eats three midgets. [04:45]
mircea_popescu "but wolf! you said..." [04:45]
mircea_popescu shut it and suck it. [04:45]
mircea_popescu so she does. [04:45]
mircea_popescu and after a while... the wolf... eats another three midgets [04:45]
mircea_popescu "but!" [04:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-] [04:45]
mircea_popescu shut it and suck it! [04:45]
mircea_popescu and after yet another while, the wolf eats another three midgets [04:45]
asciilifeform underflow! [04:46]
mircea_popescu at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise. [04:46]
mod6 haha [04:46]
mircea_popescu bout 50-50. [04:46]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu do the dot test [04:46]
mircea_popescu brb gathering dots. [04:47]
mircea_popescu 8 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · D [04:47]
asciilifeform there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night: [04:47]
asciilifeform 'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you'; [04:47]
asciilifeform friend denies [04:47]
asciilifeform next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.' [04:47]
kakobrekla ok dunno seems everything works again [04:48]
kakobrekla cept the dots. [04:48]
mircea_popescu lmao [04:48]
mircea_popescu see, locklin is no jew. [04:48]
mircea_popescu anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all. [04:49]
kakobrekla ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick. [04:49]
asciilifeform night night [04:49]
kakobrekla log* [04:50]
kakobrekla fuck [04:50]
kakobrekla bad typo [04:50]
mircea_popescu and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case. [04:50]
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mircea_popescu so i have a short statement re : [12:34]
mircea_popescu it will resolve as yes presently. is henceforth banned as a source on bitbet. [12:34]
mircea_popescu sorry, sanity. i tried. [12:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00479989 = 0.2688 BTC [+] {2} [12:38]
punkman1 oh MazaCoin is 5th in volume now, [12:38]
punkman1 and here is aurora for spain, [12:39]
mircea_popescu by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality. [12:39]
punkman1 pretty much [12:40]
mircea_popescu they should probably relaunch as a wiki, "the fake mkt cap numbers anyone can edit" [12:40]
punkman1 there's like 3 dozen altcoin "exchanges" ready to add any random scamcoin [12:40]
mircea_popescu we need price signal, this is ridiculous [12:40]
mircea_popescu i mean, intellectually ridiculous. back in 2011 bruce wagner's antics made bitcoin easy to dismiss as "that cp ring" [12:40]
mircea_popescu now this bullshit makes bitcoin easy to dismiss as "indian highschool tomfoolery" [12:41]
punkman1 "mine MinerTokens, rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens to rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens..... You can see where I'm going with this." [12:44]
mircea_popescu heh [12:44]
punkman1 surprised there's not a dozen of these already [12:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00089498 = 0.179 BTC [+] [12:45]
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punkman1 "Our minerrigs will be avaible for rent from launch. A total of 1.6 Gh scrypt will be rentet out for 50,000 MTK/Mh/day. When your total rent pass 1000 Mh you will be the legal owner of a 5Mh rig. You can then chose to continue let us host it and get 80% of the rentalprofit or you can get it shipped to your door" [12:46]
mircea_popescu which one is this ? [12:48]
punkman1 the MinerTokens [12:48]
mircea_popescu wait, literally minertokens ? [12:48]
mircea_popescu jesus. [12:48]
punkman1 you pay in minertokens to rent minertoken mining rigs [12:48]
punkman1 [12:51]
ozbot [ANN][COM] COMRADE - New Innovative MinerStakeholder Concept - Profit for People [12:51]
punkman1 these guys want 0.1btc to let you mine or something [12:51]
punkman1 "-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS" [12:52]
punkman1 "COMRADE crypto movement designed to replicate the economic tactics used by the Comrade leaders of the USSR to rise the Soviet Union from the Ashes to what become the most powerful nation in the world (at the time)." [12:53]
mircea_popescu no [13:01]
mircea_popescu you're kidding me right ? [13:01]
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ThickAsThieves i had bet yes on the areolacoin bet btw [13:15]
ThickAsThieves i saw no other outcome [13:15]
ThickAsThieves comrade coin says "COMMUNIST" on it [13:16]
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punkman1 ThickAsThieves: maybe ATC needs some dice [13:29]
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ThickAsThieves know someone reputable to make/run it? [13:39]
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cazalla at what point do these alts collapse under their own weight? [14:02]
dub when the one true altcoin rises to engulf them [14:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697227 = 0.1539 BTC [-] [14:05]
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ozbot MuCoWa - A MultiCoinWallet to your service - Update now: 1.3.0 Quark added [14:20]
punkman1 "Since the code is obfuscated, would it be possible to monitor the web traffic going out from the wallet to make sure it never sends private keys anywhere?" [14:20]
mircea_popescu winner. [14:22]
mircea_popescu cazalla about 18 weeks [14:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00083063 = 4.8177 BTC [+] [14:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ya well, so good for you. [14:29]
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mircea_popescu soo apparently the niagara has frozxen over [14:35]
mircea_popescu [14:36]
ozbot Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online [14:36]
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chetty 23% thought an "MP3" was a "Star Wars" robot [14:38]
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chetty 42% said they believed a "motherboard" was "the deck of a cruise ship" [14:39]
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chetty The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online. [15:53]
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asciilifeform chetty: this is not news to me [15:54]
chetty well the tape is news :P [15:55]
mircea_popescu the tape is news. [15:55]
asciilifeform yes, it is. [15:55]
asciilifeform (but not in the u.s. media, unsurprisingly.) [15:56]
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asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: nsa shills. [15:58]
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asciilifeform 'SSL is one of very few crypto systems that’s in daily usage by hundreds of millions of people. Remarkably, it seems that governments have not compromised the infrastructure.' [16:02]
asciilifeform trololol [16:02]
mircea_popescu lol [16:02]
mircea_popescu well yeah, most governments haven't. [16:02]
asciilifeform 'Usability studies have shown nobody outside of the tiny security community understands the web of trust or how to use it.' [16:03]
mircea_popescu euros because they're too lazy to do it, and prefer to suckle on the us drip, [16:03]
mircea_popescu and north korea because too stupid. [16:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform :D chump selection techniques. [16:03]
asciilifeform 'It’s not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as you’d need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, it’d be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this [16:03]
asciilifeform problem.' [16:03]
asciilifeform ahahahaha [16:03]
mircea_popescu there are 2 sorts of people in this world, and they're made apparent by the reaction to the statement "few understand this" [16:03]
asciilifeform this is just too good [16:03]
mircea_popescu type 1 is no longer interested. type 2 is now very interested. [16:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8687 @ 0.00082483 = 7.1653 BTC [-] [16:04]
ThickAsThieves maybe one/both of you should write a rebuttal [16:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0008246 = 10.225 BTC [-] [16:08]
ThickAsThieves before he takes the bitcoin jesus torch [16:08]
asciilifeform why now and not after [16:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4463 @ 0.00082483 = 3.6812 BTC [+] [16:12]
mircea_popescu lol [16:14]
ThickAsThieves parachutes? [16:14]
asciilifeform btc jizzus is no catastrophe [16:14]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:14]
mircea_popescu who are you quoting anyway [16:15]
ThickAsThieves hearn [16:15]
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Apocalyptic [15:03:49] this is just too good // it is [16:15]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: [16:15]
ThickAsThieves "Anyone can buy or sell the currency, but the Lakota are keeping half of it in reserve in order to prevent the wild speculation that has caused Bitcoin such price volatility. ... After an hour of questions, Harris thanked the small crowd and was promptly accosted by a tall man and a woman in red who wanted to buy some MazaCoin, which Harris was selling for 10 cents apiece. The two [16:17]
ThickAsThieves trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. " [16:17]
ThickAsThieves ... [16:17]
ThickAsThieves "We’ve gone through 100 years of imposed poverty. That’s the fight we’re having" [16:17]
asciilifeform the traditional de-colonialization move from imposed to... self-imposed [16:18]
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ThickAsThieves "CIA officers allegedly hacked into the US Senate Intelligence Committee's computers to find out what the oversight committee had found out about its controversial detention and treatment of terror suspects.‬" [16:20]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, thanks for the link [16:20]
Apocalyptic this Hearn is a gold mine [16:21]
mike_c "being a CA involves tedious, mind-numbingly repetitive yet security critical work that unpaid volunteers are ill equipped to do well. " has he ever gone through the process of getting a SSL cert?? they don't do shit. [16:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2930 @ 0.00082724 = 2.4238 BTC [+] [16:21]
asciilifeform they're experts at vacuuming $$$$$ [16:22]
mike_c the bullshit per line in that article is astounding. [16:22]
chetty A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances. [16:22]
ThickAsThieves i dont even know what a SSL really does, nor am I a programmer, but I have successfully purchased and installed one on a system I advised the client was not really secure [16:22]
asciilifeform chetty: link ? [16:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10070 @ 0.0008262 = 8.3198 BTC [-] [16:22]
ThickAsThieves it took like 5min [16:23]
chetty [16:24]
punkman1 [16:25]
ozbot Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica [16:25]
asciilifeform chetty: surprised ? [16:26]
ThickAsThieves asscoins heh [16:26]
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ThickAsThieves buyer of [16:27]
ThickAsThieves he looks like he's 17 [16:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 497 @ 0.0045 = 2.2365 BTC [-] {7} [16:29]
chetty asciilifeform: nope it was inevitable really [16:29]
ThickAsThieves "I asked my wife what she would trade for 5,000 Arscoins. Her answer: “A kiss?” Boom! A market had been created." lol [16:30]
asciilifeform chetty: beautifully described in 'The Art of Not Being Governed', J. C. Scott [16:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves lmao hearn. [16:30]
Apocalyptic "The user experience must be incredibly simple", "The main justification for this design choice is usability. In the same way that security cannot be bolted on at the last minute, the reverse also holds — you can’t bolt usability on to a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind" [16:31]
Apocalyptic I see a powerfull parallel with here [16:31]
mircea_popescu mike_c he's just trying to misrepresent himself into relevancy [16:31]
Apocalyptic yeah don't focus on how shit has to be done, focus on the people fss ! [16:32]
mircea_popescu pretty much the foundation halmark. it's due to the failure modes of the ycombinated mind. [16:32]
mircea_popescu wait i wrote that ?! [16:32]
asciilifeform 'a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind' [16:32]
* asciilifeform only designs for fellow Orcs [16:32]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, no the quotes are from Hearn [16:33]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i was shocked at the trilema link [16:33]
mircea_popescu i totally forgot i wrote that article. [16:33]
mircea_popescu i write too much ;/ [16:33]
mircea_popescu nice article. [16:34]
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asciilifeform [16:41]
asciilifeform original: [16:41]
asciilifeform [16:41]
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Apocalyptic interesting [16:44]
r3wt ;;bcauth r3wt [16:44]
gribble Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7abdae0508ae0bf19ba9ddebfc0b68c090c3f35af9f2e9230dd4db47 [16:44]
r3wt greetings [16:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082967 = 3.775 BTC [+] [16:46]
ThickAsThieves hi [16:47]
r3wt hello super hackers [16:48]
r3wt i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php [16:48]
r3wt because i am not worthy [16:48]
r3wt and so i fail [16:48]
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chetty Former IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the Fifth right now. <<< again [16:49]
Apocalyptic i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php // what happened to the LUA version ? [16:51]
ThickAsThieves [16:52]
ozbot New Side Channel Attack That Can Recover Private Keys : Bitcoin [16:52]
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ThickAsThieves by guess who [16:52]
ThickAsThieves Hearn [16:52]
asciilifeform cache diddling is old hat. [16:52]
ThickAsThieves by guess what [16:52]
ThickAsThieves OpenSSl [16:52]
r3wt lua version is here [16:53]
r3wt [16:53]
asciilifeform i don't see a Hearn in that paper [16:53]
ThickAsThieves sorry, he's the one sharing it [16:53]
r3wt still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production. [16:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008314 = 3.7829 BTC [+] [16:54]
mircea_popescu lol r3wt [16:55]
r3wt anyone wanna buy some fee shares? we're broke and need some more "development money". and by development money, i mean money to pay ourselves and buy more shit. [16:55]
Mats_cd03 what are you building [16:56]
mircea_popescu and what are fee shares [16:56]
r3wt same thing we've been building. [16:56]
r3wt [16:56]
Mats_cd03 lua based exchange? [16:56]
ozbot OpenEx [16:56]
punkman1 you share the fees of running the exchange [16:56]
r3wt started as php, now moving to lua [16:56]
Apocalyptic r3wt, you should IPO on MPex [16:57]
r3wt isn't that a scam? [16:57]
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Mats_cd03 did you use bootstrap for the frontend [16:58]
r3wt lol no, thats all from scratch [16:58]
r3wt ive never used bootstrap [16:58]
r3wt bootstrap is for the design challenged [16:59]
Apocalyptic r3wt, you should IPO on MPex [16:59]
Apocalyptic isn't that a scam? // kako you need to bash this [16:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC [16:59]
r3wt how does one "IPO on MPEX" and what are the benefits of doing so? [17:00]
punkman1 r3wt: so are you currently smashing strings together to make SQL? [17:00]
Mats_cd03 same as a usual IPO. raise virtual buttcoins [17:00]
r3wt unfortunately yes. that's why i'm here. i know mircea_popescu probably knows how to teach me to do it the right way [17:01]
jcpham mircea_popescu absolutely loves to teach people [17:01]
jcpham arguable one of his finest talests and favorite past-times [17:01]
jcpham *talents [17:01]
Apocalyptic yeah he does [17:02]
Apocalyptic though after you called his thing a scam not sure he will be most pleased and willing [17:02]
jcpham if i send monies will you thern reinvest my monies in riskier ventures [17:02]
r3wt Apocalyptic, i was talking about his securities exchange. i'm talking about the negative stigma associated with bitcoin ipo's [17:03]
r3wt wasn't** [17:03]
Apocalyptic r3wt, how is it worse than actual shares ? [17:03]
Diablo-D3 yeah, fuck bitcoin IPOs [17:03]
Diablo-D3 its not worth the trouble [17:03]
ThickAsThieves mp can handle noobs calling mpex a scam [17:03]
Diablo-D3 no legitimate investors [17:03]
jcpham unless D3 mining on nvidia [17:03]
Diablo-D3 all trolls expecting 1000% profit [17:04]
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Diablo-D3 in a week [17:04]
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Apocalyptic in the way you get a contract, shares are traded on an 3rd party platform hopefully better built and you got access to liquidity you don't have at your exchange ? [17:04]
Diablo-D3 jcpham: Im just doing it myself now [17:04]
Diablo-D3 so much easier [17:04]
Apocalyptic among other things [17:04]
jcpham i'm teasing but at least you got the reference [17:04]
jcpham cool beans [17:04]
ThickAsThieves no one will accept an OpenEx IPO right now, other than CryptoStocks [17:05]
ThickAsThieves but then you'll be rubbing elbows with every scam of the week [17:06]
r3wt fuck that [17:06]
r3wt would it be wise to sell a portion of my business for capital? [17:06]
r3wt we have a few offers, none of them very good but i'm examining my options. [17:07]
Diablo-D3 r3wt: dude [17:07]
r3wt i don't want to go back to hanging chickens at tyson [17:07]
Diablo-D3 this is a fucking irc channel [17:07]
Diablo-D3 and wtf is your business anyhow? [17:07]
r3wt this is an IRC channel? no fuckign way! [17:07]
jcpham tyson got bought by koch [17:07]
Apocalyptic r3wt, somehow since mcxnow came with the idea now it's seems to be a trend [17:08]
Apocalyptic *it [17:08]
r3wt please never compare us to mcxnow [17:08]
r3wt we aren't here to scam, we just needed start up money because we are poor fucks [17:09]
punkman1 [17:09]
jcpham mcxnow is legit compared to whatever this is [17:09]
r3wt and look, we actually delivered some [17:09]
jcpham at this moment [17:09]
r3wt its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday [17:09]
jcpham you need traction not publicity [17:09]
jcpham an organic userbase [17:10]
punkman1 r3wt: that doesn't look very responsible [17:10]
Diablo-D3 r3wt: what the fuck is your company [17:10]
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Mats_cd03 ill fund you if you have 7% profit month over month for a year [17:11]
jcpham [17:11]
Mats_cd03 thats how investing works right [17:11]
r3wt any advice punkman1? [17:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [-] [17:11]
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punkman1 r3wt: mysql_real_escape_string is deprecated, maybe suspend trading for a while [17:12]
jcpham need moar pipe [17:12]
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r3wt i meant advice on how to make prepared statements, because i'm actually just a noob with a dream. no college education, just read a book about php [17:13]
ThickAsThieves its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday // who is "we"? [17:13]
artifexd ;;ident [17:13]
gribble Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified. [17:13]
r3wt but yeah, i can shut the exchange down at anytime [17:13]
jcpham that's the gox and others example [17:14]
jcpham whoopsie. halt trading [17:14]
r3wt done [17:14]
jcpham all btc lost [17:14]
ThickAsThieves r3wtm the problem is you are a noob voluntering to be responsible with people's money, which noobness, particularly of the programmer variety, is least qualified to do [17:14]
r3wt trading is closed for now, this is my goal for the day. learn to use prepared statements and replace them throughout the site. [17:15]
ThickAsThieves taking investors piles it on [17:15]
r3wt any advice? [17:15]
r3wt or maybe a link to a guide? [17:15]
r3wt fuck it, i guess like everything else in life i have to learn this on my own. [17:16]
r3wt no worries [17:16]
r3wt i have one question. is mysqli safe enough or should i go for the pdo extension? [17:17]
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jcpham normally i get paid to pick stuff apart [17:17]
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artifexd r3wt You're asking programming questions in a channel about investing. Stackoverflow would be a good place to find answers to the type of questions you're asking. [17:17]
punkman1 has all the examples you need [17:18]
r3wt i'm banned from asking questions on stackoverflow [17:18]
r3wt i think [17:18]
jcpham wow [17:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0008314 = 4.5311 BTC [+] [17:18]
artifexd What's your so username? [17:19]
Apocalyptic jcpham, this gets better every line [17:19]
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artifexd [17:20]
ozbot User r3wt - Stack Overflow [17:20]
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r3wt rbonestell_ RBRubicon reeses_ rodgort Rulother ryan-c [17:24]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust r3wt [17:24]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [17:24]
mircea_popescu well i mean in principle, but gotta build up first. [17:24]
mircea_popescu how the fuck does one get banned on stack overflow [17:24]
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r3wt i'm not banned, just banned from askign questions. look at the first two questions i asked and it should be all you need to know [17:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00083159 = 7.5641 BTC [+] {2} [17:27]
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artifexd [17:29]
ozbot What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"? - Meta [17:29]
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jcpham ;;gettrust mircea_popescu [17:33]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 25 via 23 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 [17:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8981 @ 0.00083 = 7.4542 BTC [-] {2} [17:35]
jcpham sometimes i look at these trust graphs and ratings and i see emotion [17:35]
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mircea_popescu sveet love an' devotion [17:36]
nubbins` hi [17:36]
jcpham hi nubbs [17:36]
nubbins` [17:37]
ozbot Worst music video ever - YouTube [17:37]
nubbins` came across this ^ last night [17:37]
nubbins` actually a pretty rad song [17:37]
nubbins` music video sucks tho ;( [17:37]
jcpham is it better than walls fall out [17:37]
nubbins` probably [17:37]
nubbins` it's just WAITING to be covered [17:37]
jcpham without the video, if i only heard it I would think it sucked less than i now think [17:38]
jcpham because i saw the video [17:38]
nubbins` nod [17:38]
jcpham [17:38]
ozbot Worst music video ever - YouTube [17:38]
jcpham nope [17:39]
jcpham not that one clipboard [17:39]
jcpham [17:39]
r3wt damnit to hell [17:39]
ozbot Walls Fall Out - OFFICIAL - YouTube [17:39]
nubbins` i was about halfway through my first viewing before i stopped laughing at the video and realized the song was awesome ;( [17:39]
jcpham that one clipboard, that one. [17:39]
nubbins` ooo, sign in to confirm my age! [17:39]
jcpham mmmmhmmmmm [17:39]
nubbins` AAAAAH [17:40]
nubbins` that was a dirty trick D; [17:40]
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jcpham i thought we were talking about the worst music videos ever [17:41]
jcpham i had a suggestion for that topic [17:41]
nubbins` i was just sharing a cool song D: [17:41]
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jcpham yeah me too! [17:41]
nubbins` DDDDDDDDDD: [17:41]
mircea_popescu Someone stupid will ask me this: "then why doesn't Medicaid just offer a billing code for "need three evaluations, but likely no diagnosis?" Because if Fox News got wind that Obama was paying for black people to get "no diagnosis" they'd blow up an abortion clinic. Paying for "temper tantrums" is just the right amount of enraging, TV and internet enraging, no violence will occur. "Isn't this why we need universal he [17:43]
mircea_popescu althcare?" Well, lieutenant, pronounced like I'm a British naval commander, if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it. [17:43]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more tlp ? [17:45]
mircea_popescu yes [17:45]
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mircea_popescu [17:48]
ozbot The Doomsday Cult of Bitcoin -- Daily Intelligencer [17:48]
mircea_popescu check out this derp [17:49]
Apocalyptic my derp counter has overflown with Hearn today, i'll pass [17:49]
mircea_popescu "Partly this is because lawmakers and regulators, spooked by early hype and the Mt. Gox disaster, are never going to afford Bitcoin services the kind of autonomy they'd need in order to flourish. Partly it's because there are conceptual problems with the Bitcoin architecture itself. And partly it's because Bitcoin's anarchic roots are too fringe to draw in the masses. In the mind of the average American, the currency i [17:50]
mircea_popescu s now synonymous with theft, drugs, and techno-wizardry. These impressions do not a global currency make." [17:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00082792 = 5.7954 BTC [-] {2} [17:50]
mircea_popescu for the record, dear regulators : it comes out of your skin, either way. [17:50]
mircea_popescu make it pleasant on yourself or not, lube up or not, whatever suits [17:50]
mircea_popescu but the cock is going in. [17:50]
nubbins` techno-wizardry [17:51]
mircea_popescu imagine, you know ? [17:51]
nubbins` [17:51]
mircea_popescu i mean this is total libertard school of denial. it just so happens that theft, drugs and techno-wizardry is the EXACT recipe of mainstream worship [17:51]
nubbins` that's about what i had in mind [17:51]
mircea_popescu this guy is basically saying that bitcoin is a distilate of all rappers, all wall street and all silicon valley [17:52]
mircea_popescu and then pretending like this is a bad thing. [17:52]
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mircea_popescu anyway, [17:55]
Mats_cd03 r3wt, i would recommend reading several books about secure coding and learn how to use an auditing tool like burp [17:57]
r3wt i decided i'd just hire a professional and try to learn from whatever example he sets [17:57]
nubbins` lel i can hear pascale humming that jan terri song from downstairs [17:58]
Mats_cd03 going from php to lua is an odd choice and doesnt inspire anyone with confidence in your ability to secure their funds [17:58]
Mats_cd03 security requires design and architecture, so maybe you should read books instead of writing code at this stage [17:59]
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asciilifeform Mats_cd03, r3wt: to learn 'secure code', spend a few years as a lowly 0day hunter [18:00]
Mats_cd03 i wouldnt recommend that [18:00]
r3wt i am taking myself out of the equation for good of the project [18:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00449999 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3} [18:01]
Mats_cd03 that journey is unforgiving and uneducational if youre not clever or connected to people better than you at it [18:01]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: how to find if you're clever without trying [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574943 = 0.5749 BTC [+] {2} [18:02]
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Mats_cd03 reading CVE reports, studying 0days and proofs of concept, crackmes, compiler books, r/reverseengineering [18:05]
Apocalyptic I used to do a lot of crackmes back in the days [18:06]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: studying classic examples only takes you so far [18:06]
asciilifeform doesn't teach the process of how they come to exist [18:06]
Apocalyptic do as in solving and creating the challenges [18:06]
Mats_cd03 thats what the foundational books are for [18:06]
Mats_cd03 i advise building a serious knowledge base in one subset of sec before getting into anything else [18:07]
r3wt thanks for the advice Mats_cd03 [18:08]
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deadweasel what's everyone's take on the folks at ##security? [18:09]
Mats_cd03 dumb [18:09]
asciilifeform can't say, never saw. [18:10]
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Mats_cd03 i lurk there and i rarely see any good conversation [18:10]
r3wt bullshitters [18:10]
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wao-ender v0v [18:12]
deadweasel i agree on all counts, but it's not to say you can't comb the logs for some direction. [18:12]
nubbins` ;;ticker --market all [18:12]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.37, vol: 17860.37014311 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 639.899, vol: 16064.3695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 661.4999, vol: 14587.05392498 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 674.0, vol: 46.86848963 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 671.0, vol: 10.01218267 | Volume-weighted last average: 654.689264159 [18:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082989 = 6.8051 BTC [+] {2} [18:12]
deadweasel then again, i'm not 'savvy' [18:12]
nubbins` savvy and sapient share a root [18:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.004401 = 0.7482 BTC [-] {4} [18:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00082817 = 11.9927 BTC [-] {3} [18:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00440011 = 0.2288 BTC [-] {4} [18:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00439891 = 0.3255 BTC [-] {2} [18:22]
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mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu So has the #ImpotentAlliance invaded the Ukraine Soviet Republic yet or we still talkin' ? [18:25]
mircea_popescu Bit Power @Mircea_Popescu Still talkin' -- Russia threatens to confiscate U.S. assets.... [18:25]
mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu Pity the US wasn't keeping it all in #Bitcoin. [18:25]
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mircea_popescu also, i'm with Mats_cd03. asciilifeform's ideas are tailored for the 1%. nttawwt, but kind-of dangerous if you're not in. [18:27]
Mats_cd03 im all for the beauty of discovery, hacking, and all that [18:27]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i read some old posts this morning. you are using 'crystal space' - written by the sadly famous taaki ? this does not bother you ? [18:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the same sense using bitcoin "written" by the sadly famous taaki doesn't bother me. [18:28]
Apocalyptic " No, I'm saying the true leaders have massive power. But in a cryptocurrcency wold....the mass has the power." [18:29]
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Mats_cd03 many people need structured learning to progress further [18:29]
asciilifeform i guess i'm just terrible at measuring which miscreants are dumb enough to be harmless [18:29]
mircea_popescu adding to that : generally at the fruit stand, the peaches which have all the bugs swarming in are the best. [18:29]
asciilifeform this also works at the turd stand [18:30]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic so let the mass think it has power, and then get indignant whenever mpoe-pr shows up. [18:30]
Apocalyptic sounds like a plan [18:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform true, true [18:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07260022 = 0.726 BTC [-] {8} [18:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 1% & comsec - one needn't be a historic champion to learn basic things [18:31]
asciilifeform i keep trying to wake people up to this fact [18:31]
mircea_popescu yeah, they would. [18:31]
asciilifeform usually to no avail [18:31]
mircea_popescu that's the thing. basic things are only accessible to the very very elite. [18:32]
mircea_popescu for instance, tell me what is a number ? [18:32]
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mircea_popescu compare basic and lisp. there is NOTHING basic about any one basic instruction [18:32]
mircea_popescu they're all complex porrige of many things. [18:33]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, explain something truely basic, like say lambda, to the basic crowd. [18:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57654522 BTC [-] [18:34]
asciilifeform any child who played 'mad libs' (or whatever it's called on the other side of the atlantic today) can understand 'lambda' [18:34]
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mircea_popescu but thats quite besides the point [18:34]
Mats_cd03 [18:35]
mircea_popescu because most children' maturation requires they become socially inserted [18:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449953 = 0.3375 BTC [+] [18:35]
Mats_cd03 lol wordpress [18:35]
mircea_popescu which requires them acquire proficiency in a number of porriges [18:35]
mircea_popescu by the time which is done... well... good luck. [18:35]
mircea_popescu "These flaws were discovered passively using the information which was returned by the web server following a normal request. I have not exploited any of the holes found." [18:36]
mircea_popescu how you know the author lives in a fascist state. [18:36]
Apocalyptic .d [18:36]
ozbot 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1245 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.7517% in 8d 7h 16m 20s [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00449301 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {2} [18:37]
asciilifeform sometimes simple crap is actually... simple [18:39]
asciilifeform what can be more straightforward than 'SKI combinator' calculus ? [18:39]
asciilifeform or here's a fun variation on the theme: [18:42]
asciilifeform [18:42]
ozbot Iota and Jot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449879 = 0.3374 BTC [+] {4} [18:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00082587 = 3.9881 BTC [-] [18:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07698379 = 0.3849 BTC [+] {2} [18:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08960102 = 0.6272 BTC [-] {2} [18:44]
ThickAsThieves winklesvii to the moon! [18:44]
Apocalyptic altcoin is going to da moon too I heard [18:48]
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benkay r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: [18:50]
Apocalyptic benkay, he left [18:50]
benkay ;;later tell r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: [18:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:50]
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benkay thanks, Apocalyptic [18:51]
asciilifeform [18:52]
ozbot Implosion of Bitcoin Exchange Spawns Mutant Digital Currency | Wired Enterprise | [18:52]
asciilifeform [18:52]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [18:52]
asciilifeform what have i done [18:52]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah they got bailed in [18:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform see ? the real nsa is always listening. [18:55]
mircea_popescu this is an ancient greek idea. careful what you say for the gods may be short of inspiration [18:55]
* asciilifeform bows in respect to my happy invisible friends [18:55]
ThickAsThieves "Using a technology called Mastercoin, the Goxcoin people would mint a brand new digital currency" [18:55]
ThickAsThieves The derp compounds [18:55]
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asciilifeform chetty: wake me up for the beheading vid. [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] [18:57]
mircea_popescu mastercoin is a technology ? [18:58]
mircea_popescu chetty obviously. they had to be pretty fucking stupid to not realise that "independent" military has no problem doing it. [18:58]
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chetty will do asciilifeform, probably a couple days, must draw out the drama [18:58]
mircea_popescu but no, cheeky un, "we are bureaucrats so we matter" [18:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they ain't beheading them, just keeping them on ice for a few weeks. [18:59]
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mircea_popescu "ty for having improved our negotiation position" [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40070057 BTC to 3`643 shares, 65899 satoshi per share [18:59]
asciilifeform damn, there was, going ''... [19:00]
asciilifeform * there i was [19:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18476 @ 0.00082909 = 15.3183 BTC [+] {2} [19:01]
deadweasel SomeSubjectiveSomeObjective . 3 hours ago [19:03]
deadweasel I endorse this, and I've already started development on Goxcoincoin, set to go live when Goxcoin is hacked into bankruptcy. Goxcoincoin will allow people to buy interests in Goxcoin assets. [19:03]
deadweasel lol [19:03]
mircea_popescu deadweasel tell him it's supposed to be goxgoxcoin [19:04]
mircea_popescu not goxcoincoin [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] [19:04]
ThickAsThieves mastergoxcoin? [19:04]
chetty eeww just the name makes me queasy [19:05]
mircea_popescu aurogoxmasternextripple [19:05]
mircea_popescu should be good enough [19:05]
ThickAsThieves areolanipples [19:06]
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ThickAsThieves i'm having a Java install feedback loop :( [19:08]
chetty Three third-grade students at a Sonora elementary school were busted for smoking pot in the school’s bathroom last week. [19:08]
chetty you touch Java? [19:08]
ThickAsThieves only for one thing [19:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00083204 = 9.8181 BTC [+] {4} [19:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] [19:09]
ThickAsThieves which is now telling me i need to update, after every update [19:09]
mircea_popescu update the updater [19:10]
ThickAsThieves don't have enough updateupdatecoins [19:10]
benkay [19:11]
ozbot BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization [19:11]
mircea_popescu lol [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3072 @ 0.00082509 = 2.5347 BTC [-] [19:13]
benkay poor mods [19:13]
benkay poor -pr [19:13]
mike_c so now it depends on definition of "ends up", cuz aurora is tanking. [19:14]
benkay nah it resolved [19:14]
mike_c ah [19:14]
benkay mp caved on the coin v scam situation [19:14]
benkay hey kakobrekla mircea_popescu when do we see costs of mods in bitbet statements? [19:15]
mike_c it's tough being judge & jury. not a job I envy. [19:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0890005 = 0.356 BTC [-] {2} [19:15]
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mircea_popescu benkay prolly never. [19:21]
benkay mircea_popescu why is that? [19:22]
mircea_popescu mike_c [19:22]
mircea_popescu benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books [19:22]
ThickAsThieves Since Feb 28, 2013 until Feb 26, 2014, ASICMiner has paid out over the past year: [19:23]
ThickAsThieves Total: 220,909.62 BTC [19:23]
ThickAsThieves Per Share: 0.6135/Share [19:23]
ThickAsThieves Average Weekly Payout: 0.0118/Share [19:23]
BingoBoingo So since Arscoin is Webwallet only... How long until CondeNast goes [19:23]
benkay mircea_popescu the mods are paid in shares, then? the mods are you and kakobrekla then? [19:24]
ThickAsThieves Today is also my official first day not being tied to AM in any way anymore [19:24]
* ThickAsThieves does a little dance. [19:24]
mircea_popescu benkay nenver underestimate the advantage of a harem of slaves. [19:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00449765 = 0.2249 BTC [-] [19:25]
nubbins` tat, are congratulations appropriate? [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC [19:27]
mircea_popescu well it's not bad, overal it paid in dividends way more than it originally cost [19:27]
mircea_popescu so it's one of the few happy stories in btcland [19:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00083055 = 5.6062 BTC [+] [19:28]
ThickAsThieves too bad btcland had to drive it up to 5.5btc [19:28]
mircea_popescu ya well [19:29]
mircea_popescu btcland wanted to show mp oneup [19:29]
mircea_popescu << check out latest bets [19:29]
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mircea_popescu NO NO NO NO NO [19:29]
mircea_popescu bitbet denial [19:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09099999 = 0.182 BTC [+] {2} [19:30]
ThickAsThieves hehe mostly me [19:31]
ThickAsThieves letting it ride [19:31]
mircea_popescu On October 26, 2005, [drug rep] Mr. Caronia went to Dr. Charno's office. He had never met Dr. Charno before, nor had any previous contact with him but for the phone calls from Dr. Charno seeking a promotional speech. During the meeting, Dr. Charno repeatedly asked Mr. Caronia off-label questions and asked to meet Dr. Gleason [a speaker for the company.] [19:32]
mircea_popescu Dr. Gleason eventually came, and, in the presence of Caronia, had a discussion with Dr. Charno about off-label uses for Xyrem (insomnia, restless legs, etc). Is Caronia responsible? Should he have stopped Gleason? The court said yes, and convicted him. [19:32]
mircea_popescu The trick was, Dr. Charno was actually a government informant. That's odd. And I have never heard of a doctor who requested a promotional speech. He cold called a rep he had never met and asked to meet him to discuss a drug he had never prescribed? [19:32]
mircea_popescu The third witness presented by the United States Government was the confidential informant, Dr. Steven Charno. After pleading guilty to medical insurance fraud stemming from his criminal act of filing fraudulent medical insurance bills in the amount of $821,000.00, Dr. Charno cooperated with the United States Government against Alfred Caronia. [19:32]
mircea_popescu I thought I was reading the script for a bad cop movie. Did the government use a plea agreement to force Charno to help the government capture drug reps that he had never even met? [19:32]
mircea_popescu check that shit out lmao [19:33]
mircea_popescu i suppose that's the future use of all the two bit scammers i nthe history of bitcoin. [19:34]
mircea_popescu so i guess... don't deal with known scammers. [19:34]
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ThickAsThieves [19:39]
ozbot Overstock CEO Expects Bitcoin Derivatives - TheStreet [19:39]
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lalusch Would anyone be so kind and give me a link to information on the Scharmbeck scam? lost track of this whole thing about a month ago [19:41]
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mircea_popescu lalusch which one is that ? [19:43]
chetty haha so many scams. so little time [19:44]
lalusch sbfs on cryptostocks? [19:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves lol derp. [19:44]
mircea_popescu lalusch possibly nobody here keeping track of individual cryptostocks scams [19:45]
mircea_popescu the entire thing just melds into one big scam [19:45]
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lalusch yes, thats what i'm feeling too [19:45]
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lalusch anyone got information on when CBTC will pay dividends for february [19:46]
mike_c ;;last seen kakobrekla [19:47]
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mircea_popescu lalusch no. they do not publish either reports or any sort of sensible anything. [19:47]
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lalusch :( [19:48]
mircea_popescu all they do is crap like [19:48]
lalusch but actually this makes them even more credible for me [19:48]
Apocalyptic huh how so ? [19:48]
deadweasel i can't see how, pls explain, lalusch. [19:50]
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lalusch giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume [19:51]
lalusch get what i mean? [19:51]
lalusch sry for english [19:51]
mike_c no reason for it to "crash" more than the dividend payment. [19:51]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:52]
ThickAsThieves dividends mean everything! [19:52]
ThickAsThieves Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul. [19:54]
lalusch yea they do [19:54]
ThickAsThieves Target info/sec is headless! [19:54]
lalusch nobody is going long term in cryptobiz [19:54]
deadweasel lalusch: how do you mean their bitcointalk post makes them more credible? [19:54]
mircea_popescu lalusch that's nonsense, really. [19:54]
mike_c guy i know who works in it security consulting says he is drowning in work b/c of target. [19:55]
ThickAsThieves well that's forumite logic [19:55]
mircea_popescu all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about. [19:55]
ThickAsThieves more posts, more trust [19:55]
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Apocalyptic ^ [19:55]
ThickAsThieves the more numbers included in posts, more trust [19:55]
lalusch deadweasel, must have gotten me wrong. I did not mean the bitcointalk thread [19:56]
ThickAsThieves (numbers do not have to represent reality, or be good) [19:56]
lalusch i meant the fact that they dont announce the exact date for dividend payment [19:56]
mircea_popescu methinks ThickAsThieves is a little jaded these days [19:56]
chetty aren't 'regular' stocks div dates legally required to be published? [19:56]
mircea_popescu lalusch yeah but still there should be a "no later than 5th of the month" or something [19:56]
ThickAsThieves well look where i spend my time! [19:56]
deadweasel ^ [19:56]
deadweasel it can't be helped [19:57]
lalusch i totally agree [19:57]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i hear this is how people end up with eating disorders [19:57]
ThickAsThieves i could stand to lose a few [19:57]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio [19:57]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio [19:57]
mircea_popescu mike_c didn't they recently lose a db ? [19:57]
mike_c just lost a little personal data on 110 million customers. [19:58]
mike_c basically everyone in the US got issued new credit cards after that one. [19:58]
mircea_popescu [19:59]
ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way [19:59]
mircea_popescu this is a fucking epic article. [19:59]
mircea_popescu wanna understand why the finance people keep falling out of windows ? [19:59]
mircea_popescu there's the blueprint. [19:59]
mircea_popescu mike_c finding a way to paper over the fact that they STILL do not wish to use security is going to take some effort. [20:00]
mike_c just hire a new CIO! chopping a couple heads fixes everything. [20:00]
asciilifeform they STILL do not wish to use security << re: Target ? [20:01]
chetty more good reasons to avoid plastic fiats [20:01]
asciilifeform there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. [20:01]
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nubbins` lel, so we outsourced some printing to this company in california. 14% of the order is missing when it arrives -- no explanation, no "we'll get the rest sent out soon", just numbers changed with a pen on the packing slip. i emailed company, they say "oh sorry -- we'll get the rest to you by march 24" [20:02]
asciilifeform 'identity theft' is only possible because they wish it to be. [20:02]
nubbins` almost a month late [20:02]
nubbins` when i inquired about a partial refund, they offer me $20 [20:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes [20:02]
nubbins` not the $113.50 that the missing tanks cost [20:02]
nubbins` a fucking jackson. [20:02]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` so sue. [20:02]
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asciilifeform quite a few people don't seem to understand the implications [20:03]
nubbins` i'm giving them one more chance before i issue a chargeback [20:03]
asciilifeform it isn't just the fact that money lenders like that, though i refuse to borrow a million, some other fellow can swipe my driver's license and do it for me [20:03]
jcpham woohoo chargeback!. talk with your monies [20:04]
asciilifeform it's also the fact that the alternative is a mercilessly-cryptographic concept of identity [20:04]
asciilifeform as depicted in 'Shall Be Delivered' [20:04]
nubbins` already talking with my voice, too -- just blasted them on one of the bigger t-shirt printing forums [20:04]
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asciilifeform where if someone has your key, / they are now legally you / [20:04]
nubbins` generally fulfillment companies have a forum presence, will be interesting to see if they respond there [20:04]
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deadweasel nubbins`: after you chargeback, cancel the card and link them to your posts. [20:05]
asciilifeform * musical interlude * - 2047: mr. barack hussein IV was six foot tall at the time of his coronation, but lost his key - inscribed on a napkin - and unfortunately / bifurcated / two years later. he is now five foot eight, half-chinese, with a red beard.' [20:07]
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asciilifeform 'mandatory gladiatorial combat following bifurcation was introduced in .... due to ...' [20:08]
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asciilifeform 'there were five contending forks; two boys clutching old-fashioned xerox copies and ...' [20:09]
asciilifeform * end of musical interlude * [20:09]
nubbins` there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. <<< nod [20:10]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Are they in the WoT? [20:10]
nubbins` no reason why my credit card number can't be a "master key" and i just generate one-time-use cc numbers for purchases [20:10]
nubbins` other than the fact that the current system favours the issuers [20:10]
asciilifeform nubbins`: you know the reason [20:10]
asciilifeform nubbins`: if you refuse to buy a Boeing, some other fellow gets to, in your name [20:11]
nubbins` cost of fraud detection / prevention > cost of chargebacks [20:11]
asciilifeform then go and prove that you didn't [20:11]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: unfortunately, i'm the only t-shirt provider in the wot [20:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform chinese ppl can't have red beards. [20:12]
asciilifeform ahahaha china lost its national key [20:12]
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asciilifeform and an irish kid found it [20:12]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:12]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what, and s.nsa is a trillion dollar company ? [20:13]
mircea_popescu and then obama has to ask mp's permission on irc to do shit ? [20:13]
mircea_popescu IMPOSSIBRU [20:13]
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BingoBoingo Fuck, I run a billion dollar ATC hedge fund for a private client [20:14]
asciilifeform zimbabwe dollars? [20:14]
BingoBoingo Does the dollars origin really matter? [20:14]
asciilifeform [20:14]
ozbot Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Dollar Bank Note 2008 Uncirculated: Everything Else [20:14]
mircea_popescu the other zimbabwe [20:14]
artifexd ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Did what he said he was going to do [20:16]
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asciilifeform for the aficionados: [20:18]
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mircea_popescu "Welcome to the forum. MPOE is our most accomplished scumbag, a rumored child pornographer and a confirmed idiot. His business model is simple-minded: talk shit about everyone else to avoid scrutiny. Because he has no dignity or good breeding, he basically sells stock in himself, a sadistic, sexually confused Romanian Mafia reject. Anything he says can be disregarded, you won't miss anything valuable." [20:26]
mircea_popescu check that shit out yo! [20:27]
asciilifeform '... the judge then ruled that the death of a keyholder at the hands of his fork is to be considered 'assisted suicide.' when he finished belting out the last verse of Modified-Karatsuba Anthem, his secretary drew her Nagant... ' [20:27]
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asciilifeform (NYT, 2031) [20:27]
deadweasel mircea_popescu: from whence came that virtiol? [20:29]
deadweasel vitriol* [20:29]
mircea_popescu [20:29]
ozbot Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. [20:29]
mircea_popescu i have no idea, but it sounds like some pirate investment banker. [20:30]
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jcpham if they really really knew gox was a shitshow 6 months ago...probably should've told someone [20:31]
deadweasel wow, that's ripe [20:31]
deadweasel thx [20:31]
BingoBoingo Probably have to be a pirate investment banker to remember all of the slurs [20:31]
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jcpham but i didn't bother going to the forum [20:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that was my logic. [20:32]
asciilifeform '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.' [20:32]
benkay asciilifeform have you been reading Pynchon lately or something? [20:32]
asciilifeform benkay: nope. [20:33]
asciilifeform just read 'shall be delivered' a year or so ago [20:33]
asciilifeform and now had occasion to remember. [20:33]
benkay he has good musical interludes. [20:33]
benkay you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers [20:33]
asciilifeform [20:33]
ozbot Shall be Delivered | The Whet [20:34]
benkay oh, i'm familiar. [20:34]
benkay have you read Gravity's Rainbow? [20:34]
asciilifeform nope. [20:34]
asciilifeform tried to once, and barfed [20:34]
benkay snob [20:34]
asciilifeform i even own a little book on SNOBOL. so clearly. [20:34]
mircea_popescu hahaha [20:35]
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r3wt ;;bcauth r3wt [20:37]
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asciilifeform benkay: nothing surrealist or otherwise inaccessible sans-hallucinogens about the snippet above [20:37]
asciilifeform comparison with pynchon et al is unwarranted [20:37]
asciilifeform entirely logical premise, just like 'Delivered' [20:38]
benkay just the musical number. [20:39]
asciilifeform benkay: what, Modified Karatsuba Anthem? [20:40]
asciilifeform merely a way to multiply bignums using your 'language cortex', every child knows it [20:40]
asciilifeform (starting 2017, aha) [20:40]
nubbins` haven't read any pynchon [20:40]
nubbins` a friend did his thesis on the crying of lot 49 [20:41]
asciilifeform me neither [20:41]
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asciilifeform see, people laugh, but i intend to make that universe happen. [20:43]
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asciilifeform lessee who laughs then [20:44]
asciilifeform wonder what the author of 'delivered' would answer to that. [20:45]
nubbins` [20:46]
ozbot Today I logged onto my computer and found none of my bitcoins were stolen. : Bitcoin [20:46]
BingoBoingo "Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution." [20:46]
nubbins` lel, title says it all [20:46]
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BingoBoingo The supreme court accepted no cases the following term after the court's decision that paper on ink is not an adequate signature. [20:49]
mircea_popescu not bad [20:50]
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mircea_popescu [20:51]
mircea_popescu new and improved scotus, post stan [20:51]
mircea_popescu (shirt means assent, no shirt dissent) [20:51]
benkay "What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship." [20:51]
benkay [20:52]
asciilifeform ahaha [20:52]
BingoBoingo Briefs and documents to be filed in plaintext or AMS TeX [20:52]
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nubbins` [20:55]
ozbot Safety and Efficacy of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-Assisted P... : The Journal of Nervous and Ment [20:55]
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nubbins` first controlled study of lsd in what, 40 years? [20:55]
nubbins` s/of/involving [20:55]
mircea_popescu i dunno, iconducted a few [20:56]
mircea_popescu i guess 1st published [20:56]
BingoBoingo State courts in Texas, Montana, and California have decisions vacated after cheap imitation Cardonos were issued to justices and their keys were solved. The resolution of their forks is ongoing. [20:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cardanos? you clearly didn't read the intro carefully. [20:57]
nubbins` heh [20:57]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what next, arithmometers? [20:57]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: but were they controlled?! [20:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Imitations, I.E they went to classical NSA approved competitor for device with a pretense of similar function [20:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` im a control freak. [20:58]
nubbins` why did i even ask ;D [20:58]
BingoBoingo And what's really wrong with arithmometers? Workings are easy to verify. [20:59]
asciilifeform not as good as the 'anthem', where if one bit of result is off, it no longer rhymes. [20:59]
BingoBoingo Bugs in an arithmometers are correctable with Fresh brass embouches and a bastard file [21:00]
asciilifeform (if i could sing it to you, this would be an engineering project rather than a flight of imagination.) [21:00]
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BingoBoingo In other news Idiot aligns with Idiots, suprised when Idiot gets burned by fellow idiots [21:11]
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mircea_popescu lawl. [21:15]
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BingoBoingo His reponse of aligning himself with still bigger idiots suggests further lulz ahead. [21:19]
benkay i had a lot of fun saying 'scam' at the local bitcoin enthusiast part last night [21:22]
benkay "ethereum?" "scam!" "mastercoin?" "scam!" "let me guess - bitcoin foundation?" "SCAM!" [21:22]
mircea_popescu lol [21:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the lulzy part is where he presents vouchings from... none other than... our friendly radiologist-in-training, one brian goss [21:23]
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BingoBoingo MyBitcoin 2.0 [21:24]
BingoBoingo It is one thing to leak the Petagon papers. It is a road further though to leak the Pentagon papers and run for President on the credentials of having leaked the Pentagon papers. [21:25]
BingoBoingo This socialwebtwatter BBQ is really letting people lie far to much to themselves about their place. [21:26]
mircea_popescu word. [21:27]
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mircea_popescu yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS [21:27]
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ThickAsThieves oh geez, wsj bit [21:30]
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ThickAsThieves they promote coinmarketcap the same day bitbet blacklists it [21:31]
ThickAsThieves cmon now "(This ranking excludes the digital currency Ripple, whose market cap of $1.6 billion does not make for a fair comparison. Most ripple coins are retained by the issuing entity under a centrally managed model that’s very different from the decentralized networks employed by other alt.coins.)" [21:31]
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ThickAsThieves like auroracoin?! [21:32]
benkay hysteresis [21:32]
benkay mainstream catches up to scams just as scamwatch nukes 'em [21:32]
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BingoBoingo I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao [21:32]
jcpham ripple! [21:33]
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ThickAsThieves "Its creator, who goes under the pseudonym of Baldur Friggjar Odinsson," [21:33]
mircea_popescu benkay hysteresis indeed [21:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no it already was [21:33]
ThickAsThieves As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.” [21:34]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:34]
asciilifeform he'll be plugged with a mistletoe arrow ? [21:34]
benkay i'll play loki [21:36]
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asciilifeform aahaaa [21:39]
asciilifeform ' admission test.... a major overhaul intended to open doors to higher education for students who are now shut out.' [21:39]
mircea_popescu so it's no longer measuring anything at lal. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves "will dwell less on fancy vocabulary" obviously [21:40]
ThickAsThieves fancy? [21:40]
mircea_popescu so none of that faggoty complex words and whatnot [21:40]
ThickAsThieves anything difficult or inconvenient is now fancy [21:41]
mircea_popescu shorter word. [21:42]
ThickAsThieves fancy jobs for fancy people with fancy cars and fancy coins [21:42]
mircea_popescu fancy that! [21:42]
nubbins` tickles *my* fancy [21:43]
ThickAsThieves and fancy is only in it's infancy [21:44]
ThickAsThieves its [21:44]
ThickAsThieves [21:45]
ozbot Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch [21:45]
ThickAsThieves yuss [21:45]
ThickAsThieves “The clear use of dollar bills for transacting in illegal goods, anonymous transactions, tax fraud, and services or speculative gambling make me wary of their use. Before the United States gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans,” said Polis. [21:46]
the20year2 [21:46]
ozbot Final Rehab Video for Mill street - YouTube [21:46]
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the20year2 There's the final rehab video for a property we just got done. Total cost to investors was $62.5k [21:47]
ThickAsThieves shouldnt total cost be communicated in bitcoins spent? [21:47]
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the20year2 Well, otherwise it was about 100btc [21:48]
asciilifeform 'Experts say SAT scores have long been strongly correlated to family income, a dynamic the College Board hopes to shake up.' [21:50]
mike_c they want to shake up the correlation between higher income and better education? [21:51]
mike_c start smacking rich kids in the head on birth? [21:51]
kakobrekla mike_c you rang m'lord? [21:51]
asciilifeform 'harrison bergeron' (k. vonnegut) [21:51]
ThickAsThieves they want to shake it up by maksing that it exists [21:52]
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ThickAsThieves which if they succeed might just result in the discriminating colleges using more discriminating methods [21:54]
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kakobrekla < there you have it, props to pankkake . [21:58]
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bitcoinpete nicely done, and howdy [22:00]
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bitcoinpete and ty kindly for the "subscriptions" mention [22:01]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: wait what's the new piece ? [22:01]
kakobrekla hum? [22:02]
mike_c very cool. love the keyboard shortcuts. [22:02]
asciilifeform in the link [22:02]
kakobrekla mike_c pankake did it [22:02]
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kakobrekla asciilifeform last blog post from benkay ? [22:02]
mircea_popescu lol polis is cool. [22:02]
mircea_popescu mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops. [22:03]
mircea_popescu whoops, who could have foreseen this problem >< [22:03]
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mike_c 'correlation found between lambos and higher income. gov't plans to correct this' [22:04]
mircea_popescu [22:05]
the20year2 thecluck_ TheSeven thestrin1puller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk [22:05]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [22:05]
the20year2 thecluck_ TheSeven thestrin1puller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk [22:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? [22:05]
asciilifeform mike_c: new product to address this Great Product: TrabamBourghini [22:05]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha [22:05]
asciilifeform trabant engine, plastic body [22:05]
mircea_popescu o god [22:05]
asciilifeform *Problem [22:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i spilled. trabambourghini is like the best car name ever [22:05]
asciilifeform ye heard it here phurst. [22:05]
mircea_popescu [22:06]
ozbot Pig Eating a Car (5 pics) [22:06]
kakobrekla !b 20 [22:06]
assbot Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. ( [22:06]
asciilifeform Trambo, short. [22:07]
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mircea_popescu so the owner is a trabambourgher ? [22:07]
Namworld [15:03] mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops. [22:07]
Namworld Thank you. Sums it well. [22:08]
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asciilifeform people seriously misunderstand why trabant was a laugh [22:09]
asciilifeform it wasn't simply because it was a plywood jalopy with a grass cutter engine. [22:10]
bitcoinpete because you had to wait a decade for one? [22:10]
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asciilifeform rather, because it was a car for people who can't afford car. [22:10]
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bitcoinpete like the CarPlay thing [22:10]
asciilifeform sorta like an automotive altcoin [22:10]
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Namworld If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally. [22:11]
mod6 this was posted in -otc: [22:11]
asciilifeform no one bothers to laugh at chinese moto-rickshaw, because it doesn't pretend to be a car [22:11]
bitcoinpete probably why the tata nano failed [22:12]
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ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? /// i'm not sure i even understand what that is. The thread isn't moderated, but maybe someone reported a sock ot something? I had the poster on ignore already fwiw [22:12]
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mircea_popescu well some drama i have no diea [22:14]
ThickAsThieves i think its just socks socking socks [22:14]
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deadweasel hey I heard you like socks, so I put some sock in your sock, on some socks. they're in your laundry basket. derp. [22:22]
deadweasel the forums are festering with it [22:22]
deadweasel course I only go there when links are dropped here for humor. [22:22]
deadweasel ha, just overheard our designer say ' [22:24]
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deadweasel You're preaching to a deaf choir' i don't even.... [22:25]
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benkay ;;lasers [22:32]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [22:32]
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gribble Current Blocks: 289085 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1218 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3974059069.89 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14955 [22:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00082586 = 12.1814 BTC [+] {3} [22:40]
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ThickAsThieves pretty small change [22:40]
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ThickAsThieves says 15% [22:41]
ThickAsThieves sorry 12% [22:41]
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mircea_popescu benkay i dunno how much stock i can put in your branson=businessman theory [22:43]
mircea_popescu seeing how his main contribution is branson's guide to making a small fortune from air travel [22:44]
mircea_popescu ("start with a big one") [22:44]
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bitcoinpete branson seems more to invite other entrepreneurs to start companies and rent the virgin name [22:46]
bitcoinpete then break off subsidiaries when they get too big [22:47]
bitcoinpete all while he bungee jumps, etc [22:47]
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benkay i dunno he seems to have stacked some piles of fiat [22:50]
BingoBoingo So did Madonna and PT Barnum [22:51]
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benkay yeah huh how did he pile all that up [22:52]
BingoBoingo The Circus bsns [22:52]
benkay ah well, back to javascript hell [22:53]
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bitcoinpete On the recent theme: [22:55]
bitcoinpete [22:55]
ozbot WWW: Women Weave the Web Campaign Prizes and Opportunities | World Pulse [22:55]
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nubbins` on hold with ebay for 25 minutes now [23:03]
nubbins` i pity the poor fucker who ends up answering [23:03]
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deadweasel mod6: that article is so full of misrepresentations and misunderstandings... there isn't anything there. at all. [23:44]
benkay another one of yours, mircea_popescu? [23:45]
mircea_popescu na [23:45]
deadweasel [23:45]
ozbot Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch [23:45]
deadweasel so lame, hurts to read [23:45]
deadweasel i'm physically hurting right now [23:45]
mircea_popescu deadweasel this is like the 3rd time today you know [23:45]
mod6 sorry. just was like 'heh' [23:45]
deadweasel nope [23:45]
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deadweasel frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin. [23:48]
deadweasel damn words. [23:48]
deadweasel also, apparently, I could use an engrish teacher. [23:49]
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mircea_popescu it's hopeless, there's like 10-20k pages already [23:51]
mircea_popescu 50 fucking volumes for a coupla years ? [23:51]
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deadweasel no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed. [23:52]
deadweasel like a book of letters, highly edited for cruft [23:52]
deadweasel you could sell an elite version with PMs that people donate. [23:52]
deadweasel wait no, verification impossibru [23:52]
Mats_cd03 you could if you verified with both parties [23:53]
mircea_popescu basically this could feed 50-100 english major chicks. [23:53]
mircea_popescu i guess you gotta do something with the ones not pretty enough to dance nude in the street. [23:54]
Mats_cd03 a book about bitcoin would suck anyway [23:54]
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mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile, [23:54]
deadweasel everyone deserves a shot, no? plus, she may write the story so well you want to fuck her. [23:54]
mircea_popescu the 2nd generation had no idea so it all seemed great to them [23:55]
Mats_cd03 dudes in chat rooms talking about cryptography and gettin monitor tans [23:55]
mircea_popescu as opposed to what ? [23:55]
Mats_cd03 i promise you once the average person sees the word cryptography theyre going to put the book down [23:55]
deadweasel considering what the forum consumes, i think it'd be a hit. [23:55]
deadweasel fuck, Mats_cd03 i see your point [23:55]
mircea_popescu average person ? what the fuck is this, the libertard dystopia ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu i never heard anyone rejecting a book idea on the grounds that goats wouldn't read it. [23:56]
deadweasel it's all in the editing. [23:56]
deadweasel yhou could have a techno savvy version [23:56]
deadweasel a laymans version [23:56]
deadweasel all edited. laymans version gets different edits [23:56]
deadweasel a drama version [23:56]
deadweasel a troll version [23:56]
deadweasel a shockdoc version [23:56]
mircea_popescu a french version... [23:56]
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CheckDavid Mats_cd03: I won't put the book down but I won't understand much of what's next either [23:58]
deadweasel that's IRC for ya [23:58]
Mats_cd03 lets face it, most people would have to read a book before reading _that_ book [23:59]
mod6 srsly [23:59]
deadweasel depends on the editing, but you have a point [23:59]
deadweasel introductary version would sell the most copies then. [23:59]
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