Forum logs for 05 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
ben_vulpes why bother? [00:00]
PinkPosixPXE I wonder if I should buy a bitcoin now [00:00]
PinkPosixPXE or wait for it to drop a bit more [00:00]
kakobrekla wait for 2$. [00:00]
PinkPosixPXE 200 ? [00:01]
kakobrekla myea i guess [00:01]
PinkPosixPXE I might buy at 250.. as long as it keeps trending back up [00:01]
PinkPosixPXE we'll see [00:01]
PinkPosixPXE glad I didn't buy when it dropped to 310 last week [00:01]
PinkPosixPXE and waited a bit [00:02]
ben_vulpes i just want more coins plz [00:02]
PinkPosixPXE hehe [00:02]
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kakobrekla anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db [00:05]
kakobrekla !up PinkPosixPXE [00:05]
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kakobrekla bip32 [00:05]
PinkPosixPXE thanks [00:05]
PinkPosixPXE is assbot not talking to altgribble yet? [00:05]
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kakobrekla its not a 'yet' thing. [00:05]
PinkPosixPXE ah ok [00:06]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE aha i see. [00:06]
BingoBoingo !up mircea_popescu [00:06]
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kakobrekla you dont need to voice him he is opped [00:06]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ? [00:07]
kakobrekla !down mircea_popescu [00:07]
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kakobrekla see. [00:07]
mircea_popescu haet [00:07]
PinkPosixPXE you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility [00:11]
PinkPosixPXE I want 10gbps, but I can offer low end as well [00:11]
PinkPosixPXE but I want high end and ddos mitigation, etc. available as well [00:12]
PinkPosixPXE It would depend [00:12]
PinkPosixPXE technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise [00:13]
ben_vulpes run 'em in parallel. [00:13]
ben_vulpes finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance. [00:14]
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PinkPosixPXE right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work [00:15]
PinkPosixPXE I could potentially do that [00:15]
PinkPosixPXE since I'd be setting things up identically [00:15]
PinkPosixPXE but would have to see [00:15]
PinkPosixPXE the time commit is a big consideratio [00:15]
PinkPosixPXE with so many projects, I have to make sure I can get everything taken care of [00:16]
PinkPosixPXE but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu [00:17]
PinkPosixPXE I just need to do a little math on 'units of time/energ/projects' and potential independence from my day job at some point so I have more time [00:17]
PinkPosixPXE but it's defiitely gaining momentum, and with time, it'll happen [00:18]
PinkPosixPXE I want to make sur eI can offer both offshore and us hosting as well [00:18]
PinkPosixPXE so that's another thing I'll be working on [00:18]
PinkPosixPXE anywho.. I better get back to helping them with these migrations [00:18]
PinkPosixPXE 30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help [00:18]
kakobrekla good luck [00:19]
PinkPosixPXE thank you! It was good to chat with you guys again and check in.. I may disappear a bit later when we move my vps because we have to do an offline migration, but I'll always return, and be around :) [00:20]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE cool. [00:20]
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-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [00:27]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE if it's like 3-400 how about getting a pair. [00:28]
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thestringpuller @up PinkPosixPXE [00:49]
thestringpuller !up PinkPosixPXE [00:49]
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cazalla anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago? [00:54]
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thestringpuller not that i see [01:11]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_modem [01:12]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [01:12]
ascii_modem ty BingoBoingo [01:13]
BingoBoingo yw ascii_modem [01:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23837 @ 0.0006432 = 15.332 BTC [+] {2} [01:15]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/ [01:18]
ascii_modem write a proper ircd <<< what exactly is this ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem ima spec it in a few [01:18]
mircea_popescu and holy shit, don't you just love this brave new world with such policemen in it. [01:19]
decimation mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception) [01:19]
Apocalyptic Bitstamp possibly fucked up, http://i.imgur.com/8aWS157.jpg [01:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdztDa ) [01:19]
ascii_modem that qntra link: see earlier thread re: how to think of law. [01:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla check out the cans! string popped! [01:20]
ascii_modem that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola. [01:20]
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kakobrekla how the fuck they lose private keys? [01:20]
ascii_modem 'lose' [01:20]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla may i direct your attention to http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/#c4426 [01:21]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 1.05 B (33%) on Yes, 2.09 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 98`291 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJbLeE ) [01:21]
mircea_popescu turns out prediction markets predict markets. [01:21]
decimation what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet? [01:22]
kakobrekla this chan only makes me more depressed. great job kako. [01:22]
Apocalyptic how the fuck they lose private keys? // ask them [01:23]
mircea_popescu wait, how ? [01:23]
mircea_popescu https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << lol a peak wanes, another just begun [01:24]
assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [01:24]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And these peaks are closer than the last [01:24]
BingoBoingo !up Fun [01:24]
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Fun :) [01:24]
Fun hi folks [01:24]
kakobrekla this better be fun [01:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo indeed. [01:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla tell teh group your troubles, kako [01:25]
kakobrekla well ignorance is bliss what more is there. [01:25]
cazalla scoopbot, fetch [01:25]
Fun I just read the Greek government debt is at 175 percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :) [01:25]
Fun eheheh [01:25]
cazalla scoopbot fetch [01:25]
BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [01:26]
mircea_popescu ah lol [01:26]
mircea_popescu they were going to finally boot the greeks neh ? [01:26]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/ [01:26]
Fun lol they cant [01:26]
assbot Bitstamp Alleged To Have Requested Users Stop Making Deposits | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdBpvv ) [01:26]
kakobrekla wai alleged ? [01:26]
Fun who is going to cover derivatives [01:27]
Fun however if greeks exit thats great, euro and dollar may go down alot lol [01:27]
Fun esp euro :) [01:27]
mircea_popescu euro is already down. [01:27]
kakobrekla kako is already short [01:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity. [01:27]
punkman bring back the drachma! [01:28]
decimation Fun: euro and dollar go 'down' relative to what? bitcoin? [01:28]
mircea_popescu punkman ! [01:28]
Fun lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D [01:28]
Fun to other currencies [01:28]
mircea_popescu can i get more detail out of you than "it's being worked on"! [01:28]
kakobrekla decimation nothing goes down relative to bitcoin [01:28]
punkman it's been 6 weeks, fuck me [01:28]
punkman well obviously not worked on enough [01:28]
mircea_popescu yes but... [01:29]
mircea_popescu what is the problem, exactly ? [01:29]
punkman pauperism, holidays, lyf [01:29]
decimation kakobrekla: all the way to $2! [01:29]
kakobrekla i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'" [01:29]
mircea_popescu am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ? [01:29]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Qntra has comments form. Also no need to do math to post comment [01:30]
mircea_popescu it's not really math if it has letters in it. [01:30]
kakobrekla i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote. [01:30]
Fun its bizzare that greek debt is financed atleast was financed in past via some usa banks lol [01:31]
Fun who in turn seems to packed and sold it as derivatives [01:31]
Fun afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words [01:31]
decimation kakobrekla: BingoBoingo: according to bitcoin charts bitstamp is #3 in volume right now [01:31]
kakobrekla i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage. [01:32]
ascii_modem 'big boxy pc' <<< wtf [01:32]
decimation ascii_modem: maybe she meant your lisp machine? [01:32]
mircea_popescu i think it's a he, of sorts. [01:32]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/ [01:32]
cazalla yeah, we know scoopbot [01:32]
Fun any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs [01:32]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day. [01:32]
Fun :D [01:32]
mircea_popescu im bashing that. [01:33]
Fun books lol [01:33]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust fun [01:33]
mircea_popescu oh fucking hell [01:33]
Fun u still use gribble? :D [01:33]
mircea_popescu obviously not. [01:33]
decimation ;;gribbles_retarded_cousin [01:33]
mircea_popescu and jack shit i can do about it, too, because notary's dead and so on and so fucking forth. [01:34]
Fun who here knows a bit about forex? [01:34]
mircea_popescu everybody. [01:34]
ascii_modem bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them [01:34]
Fun well how can I buy CME globex fx options? [01:34]
Fun via some broker? [01:34]
mircea_popescu ideally. [01:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem nope. [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16676 @ 0.00063023 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2} [01:35]
mircea_popescu they don't use these big, blocky pc things. [01:35]
mircea_popescu they use sleek string. [01:35]
ascii_modem sleek walrus guts. [01:36]
decimation Fun: I guess you can call up someone in chicago and ask? [01:36]
mircea_popescu punkman im not one iota closer to a sensible situaiton here. [01:36]
mircea_popescu would you please not go all pankake ? [01:36]
punkman well I'm still here [01:37]
kakobrekla !b 2 [01:37]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2J8B8W4.txt ) [01:37]
Fun perhaps :) [01:37]
mircea_popescu decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it [01:38]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-december-2014-statement/ [01:38]
cazalla ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik [01:38]
punkman anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up? [01:38]
thestringpuller https://keybase.io/coinbaseguy << coinbase apparently has a GPG key published [01:38]
mircea_popescu punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls. [01:38]
Fun http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/g10/euro-fx_quotes_globex_options.html?optionExpiration=H5 [01:38]
assbot Euro FX Option (American) (EUR/USD) Quotes - CME Group [01:38]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller not on their site ? maybe it's really /coinbasederp instead ? [01:38]
Fun the price for option is in those high low columns or where? [01:39]
ascii_modem unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ? [01:39]
mircea_popescu Fun in the last, normally. [01:39]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem right. [01:40]
kakobrekla but they have https [01:40]
punkman mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment [01:40]
mircea_popescu they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile. [01:40]
thestringpuller ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes. [01:40]
mircea_popescu easily repudiable, worth nothing at all. [01:40]
decimation Fun: if you just wanna trade euro/usd you there are a few etfs: http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/currency-etfs.html [01:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdEmfy ) [01:40]
Apocalyptic eventually kako can ask them in meatspace [01:40]
mircea_popescu punkman and you're doing this suddenly and without consultation while it's also down unnaounced because why ? [01:40]
Fun decimation: I want to buy options direct [01:40]
Fun for max profit :D [01:41]
mircea_popescu Fun not for plebs. [01:41]
Fun irrelevant :D [01:41]
mircea_popescu but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something. [01:41]
Fun seems so [01:41]
thestringpuller easily repudiable << is this why twitter has to verify celebrities? [01:41]
decimation Fun: on the web brokerages mircea suggests they certainly sell options on those etfs [01:41]
decimation probably much more liquid than holding something special [01:41]
Fun decimation: I see [01:42]
Fun ty [01:42]
mircea_popescu decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme. [01:42]
ascii_modem 'verify' [01:42]
decimation yeah I'm gonna check out my brokerage and see [01:42]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller doubt it. [01:42]
mircea_popescu !up wserd [01:42]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [01:42]
thestringpuller !up wserd [01:42]
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Fun so last is 0.0281 means 0.0281 usd for lot? or what :D [01:42]
ascii_modem ty [01:43]
mircea_popescu normally, yes. [01:43]
cazalla well, here are alleged headers http://dpaste.com/3WBH04T [01:43]
assbot dpaste: 3WBH04T ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdETOH ) [01:43]
thestringpuller tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. [01:43]
Fun 1 lot is 125,000 seems so [01:44]
Fun seems pretty cheap @ option price :) [01:44]
thestringpuller cazalla: when will people stop using HTML encoded email [01:44]
Fun I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D [01:45]
punkman mircea_popescu: it was DDoS'd/hacked, I got some PHP hosting as solution for DDoS. Existing version can be backup withing 24 hours if someone wants to administer it/protect from ddos/etc. Nobody wants to do that, so I haz to write PHP. [01:45]
mircea_popescu punkman where'd you ask ? [01:45]
ascii_modem there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson. [01:45]
punkman should be in logs [01:45]
mircea_popescu what's current version run again ? python was it ? [01:46]
punkman yep [01:46]
mircea_popescu !s from:punkman administer [01:46]
assbot 0 results for 'from:punkman administer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Apunkman+administer [01:46]
decimation yeah my brokerage allows direct trading of futures if you have 'approval' and a non-trival account value [01:46]
ascii_modem php hosting ?! [01:46]
Fun decimation: futures and options? [01:46]
cazalla thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters [01:47]
mircea_popescu punkman this really has been very poorly communicated. [01:47]
Apocalyptic why rewrite from python to PHP ? seems like a poor downgrade in everything [01:47]
mircea_popescu for one thing, ddos'd/hacked is an unlikely combo. which was it ? [01:47]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i dunno wtf he's doing, im sitting here debugging a lengthy string of nonsense resulted from engineer deciding arbitrarily to selfmanage mid process. [01:48]
mircea_popescu about as pleasant a thing as fifty years worth of dilbert rolled up in one fat joint. [01:48]
ascii_modem fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme. [01:49]
mircea_popescu except the other side. [01:49]
Apocalyptic I can see that [01:49]
thestringpuller dilbert is kinda funny tho... [01:49]
ascii_modem as riotously funny as butugychag. [01:50]
Fun decimation: so how much 1 euro fx lot cost ? option to buy or sell it at agreed price [01:50]
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decimation !up Fun [01:55]
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decimation Fun: are you asking what the bid/ask spread is on the spot? or do you want an option with a ex date and strike price? [01:55]
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cazalla well, bitstamp confirmed unless site has been hacked too [01:59]
BingoBoingo Well did BitStamp lose a can or the string? [02:00]
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cazalla http://i.imgur.com/EEhfYnV.png i took that ss fwiw [02:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIHzo ) [02:01]
Fun decimation: option with ex date and strike price [02:01]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-requests-users-stop-making-deposits/ [02:04]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/ [02:04]
mircea_popescu seems to me like someone likely ran off with a wallet. [02:05]
mircea_popescu curious if this ends up going the way of btcxchange [02:05]
cazalla well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec [02:05]
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decimation the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission) [02:07]
decimation for mar 2015 Euro Futures, price 1.1949 with a 32k volume [02:08]
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decimation to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096 [02:12]
mircea_popescu don't do options on futures, do spot options. [02:12]
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Fun mircea_popescu: whats the difference? [02:15]
mircea_popescu that one is an option on the future and the other on the spot o.O [02:15]
mircea_popescu what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ? [02:16]
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decimation yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble [02:18]
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decimation lol [02:18]
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mircea_popescu irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures [02:19]
decimation they certainly exist [02:19]
mircea_popescu the catholic church also "exists" [02:20]
decimation are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do? [02:20]
mircea_popescu in the sense that one can hang himself from it. [02:20]
decimation actually options on spot probably don't exist, come to think on it [02:20]
mircea_popescu look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity. [02:20]
decimation like, why would you pay to deliever something that's only valued today? [02:21]
mircea_popescu uh ?! [02:21]
decimation I guess my point is that a promise to deliver a euro tomorrow isn't a spot price [02:22]
* BingoBoingo kind of really wants kakobrekla to write an "I told you so" piece on Bitstamp [02:22]
mircea_popescu this is true [02:23]
thestringpuller http://bitcoinobituaries.com/ [02:23]
thestringpuller Bitcoin has died 23 times [02:24]
mircea_popescu but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso. [02:24]
decimation yeah fair point [02:24]
decimation so weirdly my brokerage doesn't appear to have spot (freestyle?) forex options, only options on futures [02:24]
decimation it does appear that forex is a very specialized thing that varies widely with brokerage [02:25]
mircea_popescu yes but use an option for mar on the mar future. [02:25]
decimation !up Fun [02:25]
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Fun they package stuff to confuse people imo [02:25]
mircea_popescu rather than a jan option on the mar future. [02:25]
Fun derivative on top of derivative [02:25]
mircea_popescu Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing. [02:26]
mircea_popescu this is no different. [02:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00064849 = 11.1865 BTC [+] {4} [02:26]
Fun I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start [02:26]
Fun :) [02:26]
mircea_popescu Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem. [02:27]
Fun more of b they hope gov will tell some bank to bail them out [02:27]
decimation k. a Mar 15 call for a march euro strike 1.19 costs 0.0221 and a put costs 0.0172 [02:27]
Fun 0.02 is cheap [02:28]
mircea_popescu uptrend huh. [02:28]
Fun those are 125,000 lots so say 1% move is 1,250 gain? [02:28]
mircea_popescu no dude. [02:28]
mircea_popescu if it goes to 1.2121 you break even [02:28]
Fun but it may well outperform strike price [02:29]
mircea_popescu if it outperforms it by 2 cents and 21 hundredths you make money. [02:29]
Fun atm 1.1939 [02:30]
Fun I see [02:30]
Fun there is some vol on 11800.0 [02:31]
Fun march 2015 [02:31]
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Fun so say 0.10 gain minus 0.0281 thats 0.7 approx * 125.000 right? [02:33]
Fun 0.0281 option cost [02:33]
mircea_popescu i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. [02:34]
decimation the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007 [02:35]
Fun mircea_popescu: what do u mean? feel free to correct calculations [02:36]
mircea_popescu i have, above. [02:36]
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Fun there is option cost per lot [02:38]
Fun and strike price [02:38]
Fun ok u think price wont change that much? [02:39]
Fun decimation: 0.007 is fine imo [02:41]
thestringpuller "You know you've done things right when people don't think you've done anything at all" [02:46]
mircea_popescu http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ meanwhile gone ? [02:47]
mircea_popescu i fucking hate webrot. [02:47]
mircea_popescu ;;seen khers oh what's the use [02:47]
thestringpuller more precisely "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." [02:47]
Fun :) [02:47]
ben_vulpes wah jesus that's a scrollback [02:47]
Fun ;;gpg eregister Fun 1E42DA89AA22D605 [02:48]
thestringpuller wow there isn't even a google cache [02:48]
thestringpuller Fun: gribble is on vacation [02:49]
thestringpuller blame nanotube :D [02:49]
Fun lol [02:49]
Fun so how do people register to talk here? ": [02:49]
Fun :) [02:49]
thestringpuller as of now you don't [02:49]
Fun cool [02:49]
Fun makes sense [02:49]
* thestringpuller screams nanotube like Kirk sceams Khan. [02:49]
Fun decimation: which broker do u use? [02:50]
decimation td ameritrade [02:50]
Fun thats a big one [02:50]
Fun strange they dont offer whole range to you [02:50]
Fun decimation: also options prices seems so cheap [02:51]
Fun maybe I am missing something? [02:51]
decimation they are known for their platform [02:51]
Fun yes [02:51]
Fun canuck bank :D [02:51]
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ben_vulpes !up fun [02:55]
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ben_vulpes man how long can we keep this juggling act up? [02:56]
Apocalyptic it's gonna be a while [02:57]
Fun or change assbot rules? [02:59]
Fun :D [02:59]
thestringpuller Apocalyptic: you think gribble won't be back for a few days? Weeks? [03:00]
thestringpuller This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. [03:01]
Apocalyptic same here [03:01]
ben_vulpes pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. [03:01]
ben_vulpes i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db. [03:02]
decimation it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked [03:03]
Fun not odd related [03:04]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: the back up is on OTC website [03:04]
thestringpuller it's pretty redundant [03:04]
ben_vulpes fun and how would you know? [03:04]
Fun logic [03:04]
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ben_vulpes thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed? [03:05]
thestringpuller That I cannot verify! [03:05]
thestringpuller OH NOES we have a dilemma [03:05]
ben_vulpes Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me. [03:05]
Fun decimation: so yes about forex dont u think those options are kinda cheap [03:05]
decimation I donno man, I don't really daytrade fx options [03:05]
ben_vulpes [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment [03:06]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: in all srsns single point of access == single point of failure [03:06]
Fun decimation: nor do I however in light of recent geo political events it seems neat thing to do [03:06]
danielpbarron kakobrekla> any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead << because they don't use the WoT [03:06]
Fun :D [03:06]
mircea_popescu This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here. [03:06]
mircea_popescu pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. << same here #2 [03:06]
Fun as to reality if drunk person mistakes tree for say a monster he will hack it [03:07]
thestringpuller but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT? [03:07]
Fun so no matter how reality is perceived human action does alter it :D [03:07]
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ben_vulpes meanie [03:08]
thestringpuller that was quick. [03:09]
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thestringpuller damn, I guess we just pray nanotube isn't locked up in some mexican prison somewhere [03:09]
ben_vulpes where does extraordinary rendition happen these days? [03:09]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ? [03:10]
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ben_vulpes watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are [03:10]
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thestringpuller instead of just reading log.bitcoin-assets.com ? [03:11]
ben_vulpes what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz? [03:14]
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ben_vulpes http://www.theautomaticearth.com/oil-power-and-psychopaths/ and to all a good night! [03:14]
assbot Oil, Power and Psychopaths - The Automatic Earth ... ( http://bit.ly/14c7S7M ) [03:14]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes is cheating on us with other channels! [03:15]
thestringpuller i feel slightly saddened :( [03:15]
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cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0K2xW4O89U derp has moved on from blockchain technology, has a new one for 2015 [03:27]
assbot Multisignature Technology - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14c9UF0 ) [03:27]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-trilema-jobs-board/ [03:40]
mircea_popescu lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing. [03:41]
mircea_popescu quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works" [03:41]
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BingoBoingo !up Vexual [03:48]
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Vexual Hey.. What is this 2015 has started already? Feels like Monday [03:49]
Vexual im guessing that bitstamp hot wallet ain't small [03:54]
BingoBoingo Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing [03:56]
mircea_popescu scoopbot request http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/blogroll.py is 500'd. [03:56]
assbot 500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/14cdGOp ) [03:56]
mircea_popescu no later tell no nothing fucking bs. [03:56]
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Vexual so were busting nanotube from mexico? [04:04]
Vexual BingoBoingo: got a few days free? [04:04]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Not really [04:04]
Vexual put it in sluts.txt and do it later then [04:06]
BingoBoingo Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat [04:10]
Vexual now theres a tld worth bidding on [04:10]
Vexual ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz [04:16]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/peterl-scoopbot/ [04:17]
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mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch [05:08]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with this one. [05:11]
thestringpuller everything is breaking [05:17]
thestringpuller bitpocalypse 2015 [05:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00064929 = 5.6813 BTC [-] [05:29]
fluffypony it's because of the Gawgoxstamp [05:29]
mircea_popescu thje only McAuliffe google knows is some politico. [05:45]
mircea_popescu it'll be a great world to live in, this. [05:45]
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cazalla hey fluffypony, is amarula nice? [05:48]
fluffypony cazalla: it's a little too sweet for my tastes, I'm a whisky and red wine man [05:48]
fluffypony but it's fantastic in shooters [05:48]
fluffypony kahlua + amarula + cream [05:48]
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cazalla on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut [05:51]
mircea_popescu that's all for me. laters! [05:52]
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mircea_popescu still no google eh ? [13:05]
mircea_popescu !s nanotube [13:05]
assbot 586 results for 'nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nanotube [13:05]
kakobrekla no trilema or qntra either [13:05]
mircea_popescu i know. [13:06]
mircea_popescu bein' worked on. [13:06]
kakobrekla did ya lose you hot wallet too? [13:06]
mircea_popescu um ? [13:06]
kakobrekla nvm just derpin. [13:07]
mircea_popescu it doesn't have one lol. [13:07]
kakobrekla in the spirit of buttstamp and all. [13:07]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#965207 << would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc)? [13:08]
assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries [13:08]
kakobrekla !s dram controller [13:08]
assbot 3 results for 'dram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dram+controller [13:08]
kakobrekla i think the answer is there somewhere [13:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00063952 = 14.0375 BTC [+] [13:09]
kakobrekla but at this point youd be better off reading all ze logs. [13:09]
mircea_popescu anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan 5 09:42:16 EST 2015 23.235.236.98 with 9755 connections [13:10]
mircea_popescu in all likelyhood, moar wp crud. [13:10]
kakobrekla who banned? [13:10]
mircea_popescu that's not specified. [13:10]
kakobrekla brb meat. [13:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084091 = 1.6818 BTC [-] {8} [13:15]
punkman http://libv.livejournal.com/22502.html "How to sneak in a 1 to 1 version dependency between xserver, mesa and the linux kernel" [13:21]
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davout in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes [13:34]
kakobrekla lolwhut [13:34]
mike_c hehehe. 1099's for all of them! [13:35]
davout mike_c: yes [13:35]
davout http://pastebin.com/Fa5ARauq [13:36]
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kakobrekla lol [13:38]
punkman "or if you want me to send it via postal mail." < send it to random Somalian address [13:42]
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mike_c diana_coman: I heard a rumor awhile ago that you got eulora compiling/running on windows. is that true? [13:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2089 @ 0.0008313 = 1.7366 BTC [-] {7} [13:59]
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mike_c thx [14:01]
diana_coman hi mike_c yes [14:05]
diana_coman I did get it compiled and running on Windows 8, 64bit [14:06]
mike_c would you be willing to share how you did that? [14:06]
diana_coman I've written the steps on the wiki [14:06]
mike_c oh [14:06]
diana_coman actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs [14:06]
diana_coman but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason [14:06]
diana_coman http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Windows [14:07]
assbot Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKYP81 ) [14:07]
mike_c oh? I actually host that wiki. what happened when you tried to edit? [14:07]
diana_coman got an error when trying to save the changes [14:08]
diana_coman to be fair, I can't even remember if I had an account, but I somehow thought I didn't need one last time [14:08]
diana_coman oh, re install, the full account of all the pain is still on the blog, too, here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/ [14:09]
assbot The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKZ8Qq ) [14:09]
mike_c hm, i was just able to make an edit without logging in [14:09]
mike_c could try to change it and see if it works? and thanks for posting all the steps. [14:10]
diana_coman let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time [14:10]
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diana_coman uhm, it works now, weird [14:12]
diana_coman well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now [14:13]
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Naphex o/ [14:15]
mike_c great. I'll give your steps a try. I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times. [14:15]
diana_coman mike_c no problem, ping me if it still doesn't work [14:17]
diana_coman re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with http so possibly that was the issue? [14:18]
mike_c hm. I'll look into it. [14:18]
diana_coman I just get a blank screen when I try to save (with http) [14:18]
thestringpuller sup diana_coman [14:18]
diana_coman the rest works fine, so no big deal there [14:19]
diana_coman thanks thestringpuller [14:19]
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mike_c sounds like some security plugin gone awry. I'll fix it. [14:23]
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thestringpuller !up pete_dushenski [14:26]
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thestringpuller is it working ~_~ [14:27]
pete_dushenski ty [14:27]
thestringpuller oh it did [14:27]
pete_dushenski howdy! [14:27]
thestringpuller we're operating in apocalypse mode [14:27]
thestringpuller gribble-pocalypse 2015! [14:27]
pete_dushenski suprised gizmodo hasn't picked this up [14:28]
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pete_dushenski those gawker guys love their apocali [14:28]
thestringpuller yea no one knows where nanotube is [14:28]
pete_dushenski so i broke obama's head off: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/04/let-obama-eat-cake/ [14:28]
assbot Let Obama eat cake. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL2yT8 ) [14:28]
thestringpuller holy fuck bitstamp is suspended [14:30]
pete_dushenski lol ya [14:30]
pete_dushenski they're pooched [14:30]
thestringpuller haha. holy fuck. [14:31]
thestringpuller i love a good bitpocalypse [14:31]
thestringpuller watch the n00bs burn and burn [14:32]
pete_dushenski lol ya [14:33]
pete_dushenski almost as satisfying as watching wall street face plant [14:33]
pete_dushenski crude sub-$50 [14:34]
mike_c fuck. i knew i should have bitbet that. [14:34]
mike_c "knew". i'm a wimp. [14:35]
pete_dushenski skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always [14:35]
thestringpuller some people just don't like to gamble [14:36]
mike_c yes yes. i just got my butt kicked on "bitcoin won't suck by end of 2014" bets, so perhaps i am gunshy. [14:36]
mike_c plus, it hasn't happened yet. mar '15 is at $50.65 [14:36]
thestringpuller at least we all one the NSA delivery bet [14:36]
thestringpuller won* [14:36]
thestringpuller wow I can't spell/grammar [14:36]
kakobrekla quick scalp for best profit. [14:37]
pete_dushenski mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there [14:37]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller in the cash money nao! [14:37]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/ << pls to rfc [14:41]
assbot [OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4GdC ) [14:41]
thestringpuller a new saying: "When there is blood on the streets, buy Bitcoin." [14:42]
thestringpuller collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version) [14:42]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/05/bitcoin-jobs-get-your-bitcoin-jobs/ [14:43]
assbot Bitcoin jobs! Get your Bitcoin jobs! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4ZVY ) [14:43]
mircea_popescu how's ozland pete_dushenski ? [14:44]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu it was a little rainier and cooler than expected, a little pricier too, but overall perfectly pleasant [14:45]
pete_dushenski i'm back in the cold now, -30C or something [14:45]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ? [14:45]
mircea_popescu mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec! [14:46]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town? [14:46]
thestringpuller the redditards only listen to voice of reason when there is an apocalypse http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rdwrz/why_top_bitcoin_exchanges_are_so_amateurish_its/ [14:47]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski nah actually. [14:47]
mircea_popescu this is why it produced. [14:47]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller "it's their userbase" ? [14:47]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu lovely :) [14:47]
ben_vulpes hueo [14:48]
mircea_popescu in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D [14:48]
thestringpuller "The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014." [14:48]
pete_dushenski they promised guise! [14:48]
davout i want an OHAI packet [14:48]
davout opening a connection [14:49]
mircea_popescu you got it [14:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2672 @ 0.00080643 = 2.1548 BTC [-] {11} [14:49]
davout said connection being terminated by a KTHXBYE packet [14:49]
mircea_popescu no terminations rly. [14:50]
ben_vulpes ("BAI") [14:50]
davout LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps [14:50]
mircea_popescu many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention. [14:51]
mircea_popescu ie, started with cunt, ended with cock. [14:51]
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mircea_popescu was the best thing ever for a summer. [14:52]
davout what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ? [14:54]
mircea_popescu well how do you know X is allowed to speak for me ? [14:56]
mircea_popescu unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could. [14:57]
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davout GPG-signatures? [14:57]
davout ok [14:57]
davout server keypair [14:57]
mircea_popescu basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to. [14:58]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/ [14:58]
davout so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's [14:58]
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mircea_popescu yep [14:58]
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kakobrekla i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner. [15:00]
kakobrekla its not like we gonna run out of internets anytime soon. [15:00]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla trilema rss is 15 minutes delayed anyway [15:00]
davout makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right? [15:01]
kakobrekla set it 5min for trilema, 1 min for qntra etc [15:01]
kakobrekla forget the fetch nonsense. [15:01]
mircea_popescu davout no, it's to make mitm and masquerading much harder. [15:01]
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davout apart from replaying i can't think of an example where GPG isn't enough a protection already [15:02]
davout s/enough/enough of/ [15:02]
mircea_popescu a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned. [15:02]
mircea_popescu tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me. [15:02]
mircea_popescu it's been much better stated by smarter men, of course. http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ [15:03]
assbot The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DaYro4 ) [15:03]
davout i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message [15:03]
mircea_popescu davout suppose i send spoofed ip messages. [15:03]
mircea_popescu i can encode to your public key. [15:03]
mircea_popescu what now ? [15:03]
mircea_popescu in the design as is, now you reject my junk because i don't know the salts. [15:03]
davout i discard your messages since it doesn't bear a valid GPG signature [15:04]
mircea_popescu messages don't need to be signed. [15:04]
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mircea_popescu and this deliberately. [15:04]
davout if they were wouldn't that remove the salts requirements? [15:04]
mircea_popescu it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say. [15:04]
davout because if you know the server's key, you're probably aware of the salts etc [15:05]
davout ic [15:05]
mircea_popescu how does that work ? you know my ip and his gpg pubkey. [15:05]
mircea_popescu how does this make it probable you have root on my box ? [15:05]
davout i meant if you raped the server for its key, you may as well have the salt and stuff [15:05]
mircea_popescu pubkey ? [15:05]
davout both [15:06]
mircea_popescu o you meant in your signed alt-spec. mkay. [15:06]
davout i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually [15:10]
mircea_popescu actually, it occurs to me this needs some padding. [15:11]
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ben_vulpes oh and now a netsplit? [15:29]
kakobrekla it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it [15:30]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [15:30]
mircea_popescu it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? [15:31]
BingoBoingo it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk. [15:35]
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mircea_popescu i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense [15:36]
mircea_popescu in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfvnZxR3yA [15:38]
assbot Ricardo Malerba Gitana Rusa con letras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYbLbi ) [15:38]
BingoBoingo http://www.wlwt.com/national/deputy-supervises-okeechobee-father-spanking-daughter/30479526?utm_campaign=WLWT&utm_content=dbsZW1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content#!dbsZW1 [15:40]
assbot Deputy supervises Okeechobee father spanking daughter | National News - WLWT Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYc4To ) [15:40]
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BingoBoingo i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up. [15:40]
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punkman " Undersheriff Noel Stephen said he has personally supervised approximately 12 spankings." < lol! [15:42]
mircea_popescu http://earthweareone.com/mit-researchers-new-warning-at-todays-rate-half-of-all-u-s-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025/ [15:44]
assbot MIT Researcher’s New Warning: At Today’s Rate, Half Of All U.S. Children Will Be Autistic By 2025 | Earth. We are one. ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYcYzo ) [15:44]
mircea_popescu i'd be very surprised if it needs to wait for 2025. i doubt one in three english speakers i meet are not autistic as it is. [15:45]
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mike_c # of video games by platform for last 40 years: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6l6bcsIgAEQSo5.png:large [15:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYf1n4 ) [15:57]
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thestringpuller mike_c: bigger image? [16:04]
thestringpuller too much png not enough svg [16:04]
mike_c srsly. it zooms pretty well. [16:04]
thestringpuller it zooms mildly well [16:05]
thestringpuller I can't read the labels [16:05]
thestringpuller BUT [16:05]
thestringpuller i can see that the 2600 is up there with the iphone [16:05]
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thestringpuller that correlation amuses me deeply [16:06]
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mircea_popescu i dunno if i give any importance to counts. [16:15]
mircea_popescu there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense [16:16]
mircea_popescu in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit. [16:17]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's [16:50]
mircea_popescu "this" ? [16:51]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that [16:51]
mircea_popescu ah [16:52]
mircea_popescu imo worse on the 2nd pass. [16:52]
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thestringpuller much worse. i'm more impressed than mad at it though. [16:53]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r8bmj/reminder_1000_btc_bet_that_bitcoin_will/cndh9js [17:19]
assbot btcthrowaway454 comments on Reminder: 1,000 BTC bet that Bitcoin will outperform Berkshire stock @WarrenBuffet... Time's running out and things aren't looking good. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vUuP5M ) [17:19]
mircea_popescu check out all the self-contradictory haet. [17:19]
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mircea_popescu da fuck. [17:27]
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cazalla ty [17:29]
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cazalla gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks [17:34]
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thestringpuller haha [17:50]
thestringpuller everyone is trying to extract ad revnue with mobile apps [17:50]
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cazalla ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games [17:54]
cazalla not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2) [17:54]
cazalla shit like canabalt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBg75_TiLw [17:55]
assbot Canabalt HD Gameplay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWSiN ) [17:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWYa9 ) [17:55]
thestringpuller lol that adult swim game [17:56]
mircea_popescu lol wut, new time [17:57]
cazalla thestringpuller, it's the shit - for anyone that doesn't know of robot unicorn attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzA4ZY_ZGo0 [17:58]
assbot Robot Unicorn Attack Evolution (320k Dragon Form) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAXRQe ) [17:58]
cazalla nfi what that evolution one is but looks a bit better than original [17:59]
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ascii_modem ty BingoBoingo [18:37]
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ascii_modem re: mircea's 'ircd' article: [18:37]
ascii_modem !s kapelle [18:37]
assbot 2 results for 'kapelle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kapelle [18:37]
ascii_modem he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits [18:38]
ascii_modem i'm pleasantly surprised to learn that this is, apparently, one of those 'inevitable' inventions [18:39]
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ascii_modem that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked [18:42]
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mike_c i feel like i'm going to take some shit for this. [19:24]
mike_c http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/asirra/default.aspx [19:24]
assbot ASIRRA - Microsoft Research [19:24]
mike_c Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. [19:25]
mike_c diana_coman: ^ [19:25]
diana_coman ha ha mike_c [19:26]
kakobrekla what, computers got good at recognizing cats ? [19:26]
mike_c srsly. it was working really well too. [19:26]
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diana_coman I never got why are people supposed to prove that they are not computers/bots, really [19:28]
mike_c before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages [19:28]
mike_c they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day [19:29]
diana_coman uhm, so you're saying that effectively for all behaviour, there really ARE more bots (be it blood and flesh and bones ones) than people around on the internets [19:30]
diana_coman could be, I guess [19:30]
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diana_coman I confess I did not really look into it, but I'd rather look for some way to block bots away without the expense for actual humans - dunno, maybe some kind of timestamp check thing or something similar [19:31]
mike_c Trilema tries that [19:31]
diana_coman and doesn't it succeed? [19:31]
mike_c and it is not unusual for it to catch humans [19:32]
diana_coman hmmm, I guess then the question remains on how often that happens [19:34]
diana_coman I mean: if you ask by default humans to prove, than it happens each and every time, really, no choice there [19:34]
mike_c only each and every time you post a link. [19:34]
diana_coman really? how is that? [19:34]
mike_c idk, the thing has some smarts. but that's why it worked sometimes and not others. [19:35]
diana_coman do you mean posting a link on trilema or on the wiki> [19:35]
diana_coman ? [19:35]
mike_c the wiki [19:35]
diana_coman a, ok, I don't know about that [19:35]
diana_coman at least it did not ask me to identify cats and dogs... [19:35]
mike_c the thing is, the trilema one is extremely frustrating when it misfires. [19:35]
mike_c because you don't know even know why [19:35]
diana_coman well, so you go and yell at the owner, lol [19:36]
diana_coman that must at least let some frustration out [19:36]
mike_c yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki. you, for example, did not go yell at the owner [19:36]
mike_c you just didn't post [19:36]
diana_coman true, because I thought that well, if there is some interest in the thing, they will come asking on eulora /irc and then we sort it out [19:37]
diana_coman no need to sort it out earlier [19:37]
diana_coman and there you came asking, so it worked [19:37]
diana_coman I did raise the problem on eulora channel [19:37]
mike_c yes, but it took six weeks. picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain. [19:37]
mike_c but, this is religious debate. [19:38]
diana_coman on some days I admit I might send the cats and dogs and site to all hell and as a result not post [19:38]
mike_c hehe [19:38]
diana_coman but then again, that might be just me, I admit it [19:38]
diana_coman btw, out of curiosity: why is this eulorom site apart entirely from mingame.bz? I thought eulora was essentially made by minigame so I don't quite follow the different sites/lack of links or is there something I'm missing? [19:42]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/552233452083625984 [19:45]
assbot To would-be auditors: don't play the charade of checking if exchanges are solvent once every few months; real-time crypto-auditing or GTFO. [19:45]
BingoBoingo ^ @Beautyon_ @petertoddbtc Well, @Bitstamp being more than two cans and string could have helped a lot. [19:47]
thestringpuller who remembers this: https://gist.github.com/peternixey/1978249 [19:49]
mike_c diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site". not run by minigame. [19:50]
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diana_coman ohhh, cool mike_c [19:52]
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thestringpuller fan boiz [19:53]
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mike_c captcha fixed, no cats. [20:02]
thestringpuller captcha shoud be sloths [20:02]
thestringpuller how could a sloth ever be the face of evil [20:02]
mike_c that's the problem. sloths can't defeat spammers. cats can. [20:02]
thestringpuller http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Omg+_fc9effa8742cabca49c35ae4827382e4.jpg [20:04]
mike_c wtf is that evil link? [20:04]
mike_c psa: don't click that. [20:04]
thestringpuller XD [20:08]
thestringpuller it's a picture of a sloth [20:08]
thestringpuller hosted by funnyjunk [20:08]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/vault-of-satoshi-is-closing-why/ [20:22]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966169 [20:35]
assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article: [20:35]
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asciilifeform damn. [20:35]
asciilifeform like 'phantom limb.' [20:36]
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asciilifeform punkman: [fpga thread] would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc) << problem is that you can't make so much as a barrel shifter on any extant fpga without using a closed turd from the vendor - actually, two turds: one in the logic library part itself, other - the synthesis toolchain [20:42]
asciilifeform punkman: one can attempt to work with just the synthesis toolchain (no escape from it) and use netlists of 'raw' logic - i.e. simple universal constructs like 'nand gate'. the result - go try it - a very simple kindergarten-level circuit fills up the entire chip, with glacial performance (gate delays measured in msec!) [20:44]
asciilifeform this is because the entire fpga concept, as imagined by n00bs to the subject, does not actually work. [20:44]
asciilifeform folks doing actual work with fpga make very light use of the general-purpose routing matrix [20:45]
asciilifeform and of the LUTs [20:45]
asciilifeform mostly they hook up vendor 'library' parts together. these usually (though not always) correspond to miniature 'islands' of asic present on the chip [20:45]
asciilifeform e.g., an adder, a shifter, uart, 500 other kinds of part. [20:45]
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asciilifeform punkman: but back to original question, mips is vastly easier to implement in programmable logic of whatever kind than x86. this ought to be obvious to anyone with even an evening's familiarity with both. [20:50]
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asciilifeform anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ? [20:52]
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ben_vulpes not i [20:59]
ben_vulpes get a cloak toddf [21:00]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt [21:00]
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kakobrekla do you have one? [21:01]
asciilifeform neh i only have a splat. [21:01]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#956971 [21:02]
assbot Logged on 19-12-2014 03:23:35; asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late. [21:02]
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* asciilifeform will then end up stuck with doing actual werk [21:08]
* asciilifeform fesses up that he worked on it, on and off, for some months, so as to have a 'killerapp' application for cardano when the latter is unwrapped [21:09]
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RagnarDanneskjol was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg [21:09]
asciilifeform altgribble ? [21:10]
kakobrekla "sir, we are out of potato, but we can offer some fresh shit. its on the house." [21:10]
asciilifeform !b 2 [21:11]
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RagnarDanneskjol Yea in -OTC... Its run by someone else using cached [21:11]
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mod6 forgot heh [21:21]
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BingoBoingo Does anyone know if https://blockchain.info/address/1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa is the Bitstamp cold address? [21:24]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa ... ( http://bit.ly/1AxTWl5 ) [21:24]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [22:07]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-wallet-now-officially-hacked/ [22:08]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: You are quoted again for who knows how many words this time. [22:08]
kakobrekla aha :) [22:11]
kakobrekla qntra down ? [22:12]
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BingoBoingo Looks like it. [22:13]
kakobrekla i suspekt ddos is back on chan as well [22:16]
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ben_vulpes all-channel attack, huh? [22:19]
BingoBoingo Well, at least I published the thing so it will be visible eventually. [22:21]
kakobrekla ddos on chan confirmed :) [22:27]
BingoBoingo Fuck it IRC is too advanced to be safe. We need to do baudot over ULF. 10 MW minimum to get voice. [22:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo will enjoy my comment on trilema then (when that site is back...) [22:30]
mircea_popescu eh what, again ? [22:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: your site appears to be down [22:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Oh just DDoS is back on everything it seems [22:31]
mircea_popescu mkay, looking into. [22:31]
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mircea_popescu "Your store/business has been published on our bitgazetteer.com website." heh. [22:32]
mircea_popescu "i know, whatsapp got 200 bn for essentially spamming, why wouldn't we!" [22:32]
kakobrekla ok [22:33]
kakobrekla fasten your seatbelts [22:33]
kakobrekla [02:23:50] cloaking is NOT the solution to the problem. [22:33]
kakobrekla [02:24:05] how is it not? [22:33]
kakobrekla [02:24:11] if everyone is cloaked noone can be ddosed [22:33]
kakobrekla [02:25:27] freenode is broken by default as it will show your ip plainly [22:33]
kakobrekla [02:25:49] it is rather trivial to look through cloaks (chanserv can, and anyone can query chanserv with various cidrs and ask whether people match). [22:33]
kakobrekla !up svetlana [22:33]
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mircea_popescu ... [22:33]
mircea_popescu let's start with something simple. who is svetlana. [22:34]
svetlana Hi. [22:34]
mircea_popescu ello [22:34]
svetlana I might suggest not using cloaks as the solution here. Using cidr entries in access list, and /cs why, it's quite trivial to look through them. We don't want to "teach" whoever is ddosing here that -- he'd keep doing his thing. [22:35]
asciilifeform what is the suggested solution (other than '+i' which was discussed at one point, bitter pill) [22:35]
svetlana Instead, get affected people to check their router logs and get more details about the attack. [22:36]
asciilifeform svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla [22:36]
asciilifeform svetlana: standard ntp and ssdp 'amplification' attack [22:36]
mircea_popescu and "more details" will do what ? [22:37]
svetlana asciilifeform: It is not rather dumbly from a single IP, is it? [22:37]
asciilifeform svetlana: not familiar with term 'amplification attack' ? [22:37]
svetlana No. [22:37]
BingoBoingo svetlana: It is some asshole herding wayward machines [22:37]
BingoBoingo routers, servers, the occasional 10 kilo wordpress sites [22:38]
asciilifeform svetlana: perhaps you know it under another name. attacker sends spoofed packets to a series of machines, usually misconfigured routers and embedded systems of other kinds [22:38]
asciilifeform these reply with N bytes for each spoofed byte sent, hence term 'amplification' [22:38]
asciilifeform but they reply to the spoofed address (victim's) rather than attacker's. [22:38]
svetlana If the details that you have are not sufficient (which is somewhat often the case), we have to apply discretion and judgment to figure out who it is (before +i, it might make sense to use +r and see if it makes things stop). [22:39]
mircea_popescu svetlana so far, we still don't know who you are. [22:40]
asciilifeform aha, suggestion is that we occupy ourselves with a permanent game of whack-a-mole. [22:40]
svetlana I am from another channel where wc- was complaining about the issue. Couldn't suggest anything but not perceiving cloak as the solution, to him. [22:40]
mircea_popescu this is all nice and good, however... [22:40]
mircea_popescu the parcimonious approach is to regard you as grossly unqualified to comment on that topic. [22:41]
mircea_popescu so far you're not doing much to change that. [22:41]
* BingoBoingo suggests a "Russian Woodpecker" in every back yard... [22:42]
* asciilifeform feels mind utterly boggled at this offer of 'help' of the 'have you tried plugging it in' variety. [22:42]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [22:43]
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asciilifeform 'hello fellow dog, you must also be a dog for every living thing is a dog; what kind of dog are you' [22:43]
decimation I'm a horse [22:43]
mircea_popescu a hoarse dog. [22:44]
decimation asciilifeform: more evidence that your wot-router idea is needed, at any rate. [22:44]
BingoBoingo I'm mange [22:44]
asciilifeform decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article. [22:44]
mircea_popescu well, in half an hour or whatever [22:44]
mircea_popescu anyways, cool to be back to normal. [22:45]
decimation mircea_popescu: apparently mr. ddos took your 'unreliable' remarks personally [22:46]
mircea_popescu that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked << i dunno where i stole it from tbh. [22:46]
decimation he wants to provide us with his own special brand of discipline free of charge [22:47]
asciilifeform it's a thing that's been crying to have itself done for a good twenty years. [22:47]
mircea_popescu Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. << YOUR PAIN IS YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT [22:47]
mircea_popescu heretick! [22:47]
mircea_popescu decimation it's still not very reliable, who gets 1-5th of january off. [22:48]
mircea_popescu not to mention the poor showling last year. [22:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is convenient because i didn't really feel like writing reports tonight, and asciilifeform still's not sent me his mail, so [22:48]
mircea_popescu tomorro is another day! [22:48]
* asciilifeform just got back to his cockpit actually, a few hrs ago [22:49]
mircea_popescu mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans << on the plus side, i get about 10-20 pieces of spam a day, which are pretty much all handcranked. the attepts are well in the 1000s/hr. on the - side, occasionally people complain about having to redo a comment / having lost a comment in the depths. [22:51]
mircea_popescu how often has it happened ot you ? [22:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ? <<< no. i was waiting for some kind of logs to surface, but seems nothing. [22:55]
asciilifeform so far just this tidbit, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2015#966268 [22:57]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2015 00:06:29; RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg [22:57]
asciilifeform where he got this notion - he did not say. [22:57]
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* mircea_popescu shrugs. [22:59]
mircea_popescu " that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late." << so how late is it / [22:59]
asciilifeform !up RagnarDanneskjol [23:00]
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BingoBoingo Well, if captured I am ready to be absolutely worthless. [23:01]
asciilifeform 'не стреляйте, я знаю секреты' << from unofficial, unwritten nato phrasebook. [23:02]
mircea_popescu lol [23:03]
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mircea_popescu anyway, trilema back, which comment or what ? [23:09]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i sent in a comment re: 'ircd' article a few hrs ago. [23:10]
mircea_popescu a ok. http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111175 [23:10]
assbot [OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcuMuK ) [23:10]
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mircea_popescu "The enemy can diddle IP any way he likes," << sure, but that's why salt is there. [23:10]
mircea_popescu i can appreciate the purity of your vision, but i'd rather have this work on current hardware. what else is there ? [23:11]
asciilifeform enemy cannot hijack session by spoofing packets, but can get really annoying [23:11]
mircea_popescu how ? [23:11]
asciilifeform dos [23:11]
mircea_popescu gimme like a scenario. [23:11]
mircea_popescu nope. port just ignores him. [23:11]
asciilifeform expends cpu cycles on doing so [23:11]
asciilifeform at any rate, no magical hardware needed! [23:12]
mircea_popescu providing he finds your ip (which i doubt), you can just switch it too. [23:12]
mircea_popescu for that matter i envisage most people using this on multiple ips [23:12]
asciilifeform the hello-in-udp-mtu lives happily on existing linux/commonplace archs [23:12]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't be against this being implemented in udp in any case. [23:12]
asciilifeform no need to keep track of ips, and to marry the notion of 'origin address' [23:12]
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mircea_popescu just, needs an extra engineer. [23:13]
asciilifeform the other nice thing re: udp is that a connectionless/stateless protocol frustrates traffic analysis very well. [23:13]
asciilifeform in my 'error coding' scheme, the station transmits at all times. [23:13]
asciilifeform anyone who wants to receive the current pubmessage snapshot can start listening at any point, and will eventually end up with it [23:13]
mircea_popescu somebody up svetlana kthx [23:14]
asciilifeform after approximately 1.03N bytes for a payload originally length N [23:14]
asciilifeform !up svetlana [23:14]
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asciilifeform why mircea_popescu had to ruin my surprise gift to the fine folks of #b-a. i was gonna roll that thing out with cardano. [23:15]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [23:15]
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asciilifeform now one of you lot will end up having to write it! [23:15]
mircea_popescu well cuz i didnt know, cuz someone didn't tell me [23:15]
asciilifeform from scratch. [23:15]
mircea_popescu cuz no mail apparently. [23:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu does not like surprise [23:15]
asciilifeform lol [23:15]
asciilifeform at any rate, i did bring it up in here on a few occasions. but did append the gotcha, 'not ready for battlefield because little time' - which is presently true [23:16]
* asciilifeform currently failing to load mircea_popescu's site, but believes that somewhere it works [23:17]
mircea_popescu ;;isup beh [23:17]
mircea_popescu well, it works on MY SYSTEM [23:17]
asciilifeform i still want that fpga that evolves to live in one particular floor tile of your cellar. [23:18]
kakobrekla it doesnt work. [23:18]
asciilifeform when the moon is just waning. [23:18]
kakobrekla svetlana here is butthurt and types in wrong (mine) window http://dpaste.com/131FHBZ.txt [23:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEs8Fx ) [23:19]
kakobrekla please svetlana if you have anything to say, here instead. [23:20]
svetlana I didn't think that discussing non-bitcoin stuff here is very welcome, but if you want me to stop talking with you in /msg I'm fine with that :) [23:20]
kakobrekla its very welcome as long as its not nonsense. [23:21]
BingoBoingo svetlana: You'd e surprised how infrequent specific BTC talk is here [23:21]
svetlana isn't vpn distributed? I'm rather surprised at that reaction [23:21]
svetlana I don't expect it to be very easy to attack ... [23:21]
thestringpuller cazalla: you around? [23:21]
cazalla mebe, no time for pokemon atm though [23:22]
BingoBoingo svetlana: Specific VPN's are centralized [23:22]
cazalla bit bored of it atm tbh, might take a little break from it and come back to it in a few weeks [23:22]
svetlana I'll get someone to write a good guide on the bitcoin wiki (I'm not good at this subject and I found someone who is better) [23:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla asciilifeform slow, but i see it. anyway, eventually derp will run out of juice in an hour or whatever xmas money affords and that's that. [23:23]
kakobrekla you think it lizards ? [23:24]
kakobrekla svetlana vpn is not much better than a bnc and tor wont fly here. [23:25]
kakobrekla whats next, sending people to ircloud ? [23:26]
* BingoBoingo still waits for avians to depose lizards [23:26]
mircea_popescu all this emotion talk, surprises, expectations, feelings and whatnot. [23:26]
mircea_popescu is it women in tech day or something ? [23:26]
svetlana irccloud is pretty central; I'll disappear for a bit, thanks for bearing with me [23:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, it is this years's Derp spores beginning to emerge from the damp log. [23:27]
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* BingoBoingo hopes these sutures heal without much of a scar. [23:29]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-wallet-now-officially-hacked/ [23:30]
assbot BitStamp Wallet Now Officially "Hacked" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEtgJ6 ) [23:30]
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thestringpuller elon musk is doing an AMA http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2rgsan/i_am_elon_musk_ceocto_of_a_rocket_company_ama/ [23:31]
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mircea_popescu o wow so it was "hacked" eh ? [23:32]
mircea_popescu not fractional reserve or anything. [23:32]
BingoBoingo Yeah, they claim to be able to over all, but they admit to 18k + "gone" [23:32]
mircea_popescu and they can cover 5mn+. through the process of what ? [23:33]
BingoBoingo On Coindesk of course. Never on their official site [23:33]
mircea_popescu they're not worth 5mn. [23:33]
mike_c <@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system. But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills. [23:33]
mike_c of which it is neither [23:33]
mircea_popescu mike_c was more curious trying to keep track of that eternal "nobody complains so no problems" thing [23:33]
mircea_popescu afaik it works fine, but then again how do i know. [23:34]
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mike_c that is a much bigger problem on the wiki. For you, you will get x comments and know there are 10x problems [23:34]
mircea_popescu "A total of 18,867.62695929 BTC were moved from BitStamp's hot wallet" [23:34]
mircea_popescu maybe i'm confused. [23:34]
mike_c I will get 0 comments and have no idea how bad the problem is. [23:34]
mircea_popescu but wtf is 18k doing in a hot wallet. [23:34]
mircea_popescu mike_c that's a point. [23:34]
mike_c s/comments/complaints/ [23:35]
kakobrekla the wallet is cold only if its empty, doh. [23:35]
mircea_popescu "BitStamp surpassed Mt Gox is trading volume in 2013, largely on the strength of its not being Mt Gox." [23:35]
mircea_popescu well... fixed that. [23:35]
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thestringpuller is qntra down for anyone else? [23:37]
mircea_popescu kako sounds so angry in interviews. you gotta relax for teh press man! [23:37]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller for a selected few. [23:37]
thestringpuller ah. dat ddos [23:37]
kakobrekla that is taken from forums from years ago? [23:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla oh i thought it was new. mah bad. [23:38]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Yeah, last June [23:38]
kakobrekla forums really pissed me off. [23:38]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: If you want to write a "Bitstamp always sucked piece" Qntra could run it. [23:38]
kakobrekla now that im banned im just depressed. [23:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00064132 = 27.705 BTC [+] {4} [23:39]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: You know desoxyn is a hell of an anti-depressant [23:39]
mircea_popescu "the smaller sum of 18,000 BTC missing presents a still more onerous obstacle than Mt Gox faced in absolute terms as that many Bitcoin are largely unavailable to most people at any price denominated in national currency." [23:39]
mircea_popescu definitely to people without a wot. [23:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo stop getting my casino cookie guy hooked on sugars. [23:39]
kakobrekla actually not reading chan to be reminded how all sucks helps as well. [23:39]
BingoBoingo Even with. With WoT you'd still likely need a more tangible item to trade for that many than $$$$... Prolly Plutonium would do. [23:40]
mircea_popescu poor kako. everyone sucks, and then he gets depressed and teh woman offers to suck him... [23:40]
BingoBoingo Space ship might barely do. [23:40]
thestringpuller Plutonium gives you ball cancer. [23:40]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Apparently you aren't supposed to use the powder for that. [23:40]
* assbot removes voice from svetlana [23:45]
asciilifeform lol, emotions! [23:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864590 [23:48]
assbot Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath) [23:48]
BingoBoingo So this internet of things... What the fuck is not intuitive enough about how a stove works already. [23:50]
thestringpuller Dude i know [23:53]
thestringpuller the CEO of the company I'm at keeps using that word all the time [23:53]
thestringpuller "We are ready for the internet of things" [23:53]
thestringpuller "The internet of things this, and that" [23:53]
thestringpuller i hate it more than "The cloud" [23:53]
asciilifeform not everyone can afford golden toilet, but anyone can have a throne with ipv6. [23:54]
asciilifeform or something like that. [23:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: bona fide throne has homo sapien to catch turds with mouth [23:57]
BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/supreme-court-justice-second-guesses-decisive-vote-in-gaming-free-speech-case/ < [23:59]
assbot Supreme Court justice second-guesses decisive vote in gaming free speech case | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEwMU4 ) [23:59]
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