Forum logs for 04 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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ben_vulpes okay. back in biz. [00:04]
decimation ;;ping [00:07]
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assbot This is more entertaining than anything on TV right now [00:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064565 = 7.7478 BTC [+] [00:44]
BingoBoingo Dramafount continues [00:46]
assbot A message from GAW : Bitcoin ... ( ) [00:46]
kakobrekla aha they are getting paper btc [00:47]
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BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Yeah Apparently Silbert's thing hasn't had withdrawals since August because paperwork [00:48]
BingoBoingo !up OGF [00:48]
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kakobrekla pretty fucking sad. [00:48]
OGF Hi [00:48]
BingoBoingo Hello OGF [00:48]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Well... He probably had good intentions until the soldering iron found an uncomfortable place. [00:49]
BingoBoingo OGF: What brings you to these parts? [00:49]
kakobrekla idk if we believe in good intentions. [00:49]
OGF to discuss any assetclass investments :) [00:53]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo likely story. [00:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, either way he goes in the agent pile [00:54]
mircea_popescu "Through time, action and change, I hope we can show you guys that we truly want to contribute to this community." lmao [00:54]
mircea_popescu ;;google "come with a broken spirit! come with a contrite heart! Come in your rags and sin and dirt!" [00:55]
gribble Chapter 20: Page 3 - SparkNotes: ; The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn E-Text | CHAPTER XX ...: ; The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain: [00:55]
kakobrekla one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input. [00:55]
mircea_popescu as clemens aptly points out, aunt polly is a sucker for the "repentant" sinner. [00:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes. one so argues. [00:56]
mircea_popescu decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is true, it strikes me that the most important thing to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc <<< it's pretty accurate. there's no doubt in my mind the guy has first hand experience (ie, is not an internet poseur) [00:56]
mircea_popescu *: adlai wonders how many decades/centuries it'll take for speciation to start between "Homo operandus" and "Homo ignavus" << speciation takes 10s to 100s of ks of years. [00:58]
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mircea_popescu adlai: fwiw, assuming that the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes << this is not unlike saying that if computer gaming sticks around, you'd rather it consists of one single game. [00:59]
mircea_popescu sure, maybe you'd rather. nobody involved shares this pov : neither the game devs nor the game players. [00:59]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: there is a school for that? <<< one of the best features of b-a is its potential for culture shock. [01:05]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever observed as much of it as since being here. [01:05]
kakobrekla cant wait for the bushmans to discover satnet [01:06]
mircea_popescu or for chelsea clinton to start selling nudes. [01:07]
BingoBoingo one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input. << Prolly should have tested him on Vax before releaseing him then [01:07]
BingoBoingo idk if we believe in good intentions. << Of course not, but it will probably be the myth lesser shitgnomes trot out. [01:08]
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mircea_popescu [01:09]
assbot N1TTZ Callsign - Eric M Kook ... ( ) [01:09]
mircea_popescu apparently a lot of stuff is available on hams. [01:09]
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mircea_popescu Overand: per wiki, transactions are about 500bytes, running at 7tps, so that';s ~3500 bytes/sec or (humorously) 28,000 bits per second <<< not the right math. a block is at most 1mb and there's supposed to be 6 an hour. [01:12]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1 * 8 * 6 / 3600 [01:12]
gribble 0.0133333333333 [01:12]
mircea_popescu 133.3 kbps [01:12]
mircea_popescu decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << by the time blockchain over shortwave, "politically" strictly means bitcoin-assets anyway. [01:14]
kakobrekla lol [01:14]
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mircea_popescu holy shit i made it to the 30th! [01:18]
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mircea_popescu ONE DAY! ONE MAN! HIS COFFEE! TWO WEEKS! [01:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: other than 'surrender' <<< actually jump into the pool. rather than just sit on the edge and dunk toes alternatively. [01:27]
mircea_popescu 1. ministry of torrents. [01:28]
mircea_popescu 2. political asylum to anyone prosecuted by any 5eyes country or their allies for anything that's not petty crime. [01:28]
mircea_popescu 3. actually counterfitting bills. all of them. by the barge, not by the suitcase. [01:28]
mircea_popescu all the way to dumping into ocean, encased in plastic bubbles. [01:29]
mircea_popescu 4. mandatory sex ed for all women. if you're not a vamp by age 16, you're pigfeed. [01:29]
mircea_popescu 5. mandatory hacking classes for all men. if you can't hack your way out of fort knox by age 16, you're going to be some vamp's slaveboi. [01:30]
mircea_popescu that sorta thing. [01:30]
mircea_popescu have an explicit goal that half your population must reside abroad under fake identities by 2025. [01:31]
mircea_popescu basically... i'd be a jew. [01:31]
mircea_popescu (historically, not currently) [01:31]
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mod6 nice write-up on btcf BingoBoingo. thanks! [01:55]
BingoBoingo Thanks [01:55]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?! [02:12]
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ben_vulpes iff [02:28]
mircea_popescu ;;ud iff [02:28]
gribble | i'm fucked foundation- I.F.F ...derived from the G.F.F, Grenade Free Foundation. " Ronny is officially part of the IFF" -The situation. by lovelybuttons45 August 06, ... [02:28]
mircea_popescu but yes. a ministry which curates torrents. [02:28]
ben_vulpes misfire. [02:28]
mircea_popescu "• When the British got tossed out of their American Colonies, they did all they could, using a combination of import preferences and British “soft power,” to bolster the plantation economy of the American South, helping set it up as a sort of anti-United States, and the eventual result was the American Civil War." [02:30]
mircea_popescu orlov is uniquely clueless huh. [02:30]
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mircea_popescu what is this thing where faux intellectuals look at the soup of symbols their destructured intellects float aimlessly through as a sort of primal matter to be cast into random shapes ? [02:31]
mircea_popescu it already has a shape. [02:31]
mircea_popescu it only appears as a soup because their head's barely functional. [02:31]
mircea_popescu "They took a Slavic, mostly Russian-speaking country and spent billions (that's with a “b”) of dollars corrupting its politics to make the Ukrainians hate the Russians." [02:33]
mircea_popescu right. obama did holdomor nao o.O [02:33]
mircea_popescu the Sh C O is a good point tho. [02:40]
mircea_popescu "And so, to make sure that their efforts to provoke a large-scale, hugely destructive, festering conflict between Britain and Europe fail, Europe would do well to set up an anti-Britain within Britain." [02:42]
mircea_popescu which is what scotland is. [02:42]
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mircea_popescu this game was played already. on the whole, merkel is actually much better than hillary rodham, and her spies work much better than the whole us, canada, uk and australia doolitle realm combined. [02:43]
mircea_popescu which is kind-of why the woman was so appaled when she discovered shit-for-brains niggerdongs was actually spying on her fucking phone. it's roughly the insolence of a poodle biting a bulldog. [02:43]
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ascii_modem danke! [02:44]
mircea_popescu a wait, he actually identifies it. kay. [02:44]
ascii_modem half your population must reside abroad under fake identities << see chuck palahniuk's hilarious 'pygmy', a tale about precisely this [02:45]
mircea_popescu right. [02:46]
mircea_popescu it's not something i came up with, by any means. [02:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "HTTPS fairs poorly" fares [02:47]
mircea_popescu !up binaryatrocity [02:47]
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ascii_modem BingoBoingo would like this one [02:47]
mircea_popescu who're you binaryatrocity ? [02:47]
ascii_modem cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. [02:48]
mircea_popescu "The NSA's strength as they disclose here is not math or science advances that allow them to seemingly magically break strong encryption, but the size and scale of their operations along with their ability to recruit collaborators like Microsoft and subvert standards committees." [02:49]
mircea_popescu "the nsa has nothing." [02:49]
BingoBoingo cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. << I've never really trusted Children [02:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf. <<< you might also underestimate the retarded generation. [02:53]
mircea_popescu every "security" website's on bootstrap. why ? for the same reason they masturbate. "it's there" [02:53]
ascii_modem bootstrap ? [02:54]
BingoBoingo ascii_modem: Web design turd [02:54]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem that one thing making all the dumbass "we're a ceo" "companies" look alike. [02:55]
ascii_modem i thought that was the dope used therein [02:55]
ascii_modem or the indian rent-an-artists [02:56]
ascii_modem ben_vulpes:oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point? << yes. rejected because heavy. [03:00]
BingoBoingo ascii_modem: Here's the sphincter from which bootstrap turd emerges [03:01]
assbot Bootstrap · The world's most popular mobile-first and responsive front-end framework. [03:01]
mircea_popescu lol [03:01]
mircea_popescu i am ever so grateful that stupidity always and everywhere advertises itself specifically. [03:01]
mircea_popescu "mobile first" eh ? [03:01]
mircea_popescu it's like living in a magical world where all poisonous mushrooms are required by unyielding laws of thermodynamics to be bright orange and glow in the dark. [03:02]
ascii_modem ben_vulpes: heavy not merely in the machine footprint sense, but conceptually. i like wm with ridiculously predictable behaviours and minimal state, like kalash [03:02]
mircea_popescu this is pretty much the only good argument for why it's better to be an intellectual than a labourer. this unique priviledge. [03:02]
ascii_modem in not entirely unrelated news, i found that a vacuum cleaner i recently bought runs - i shit thee not - 'qnx'. [03:04]
mircea_popescu o.O [03:05]
mircea_popescu on mips ? [03:05]
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joecool orly [03:05]
ascii_modem on hell knows what, haven't popped it yet [03:06]
ascii_modem 'botvac-80' [03:06]
ascii_modem [03:06]
assbot ... ( ) [03:06]
BingoBoingo ;;google vax sucks [03:09]
gribble VAX - ; Nothing sucks like a vax - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: ; OpenBSD/vax: [03:09]
mircea_popescu <<< this reminds me of an older discussion with decimation [03:11]
assbot Logged on 30-12-2014 21:19:05; BingoBoingo: [03:11]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the story is linked directly under the line you referenced. [03:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google vladimir marchenko [03:12]
gribble Vladimir Marchenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Marchenko biography: ; Vladimir Marchenko (@Vladimirsuccess) | Twitter: [03:12]
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mircea_popescu meh, not the ukrainian math guy. [03:14]
mircea_popescu << there, lol. [03:14]
assbot Meet the 22 Most Important People Behind Bitcoin - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG), Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Benzinga ... ( ) [03:15]
mircea_popescu people you never heard about pushed by writers you never heard about on venues you never heard about. it's all very web2.0 an' sophisticated. [03:15]
mircea_popescu how finley ended up "behind bitcoin" is anyone's guess, but hey. [03:16]
mircea_popescu these guys are 100 to 1000x as productive as a "normal american", so the stuff they write is not necessarily comprehensible to ordinary mortals. [03:16]
mircea_popescu "Strateman is a bitcoin developer, best known for co-founding Intersango and the Python bitcoin implementation." no, actually strateman is best know for being one of the scammers involved in the bitcoinica fraud, and before that for being theidiot that emailed the entire list the emails of the entire list, [03:17]
mircea_popescu because he can python so well. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu and yes, he still hangs around -dev and so forth, just like gmaxwell and the rest of the walking dead. because who knows, maybe someone forgets or something. [03:17]
mircea_popescu maybe it just goes away. [03:17]
mircea_popescu maybe if enough bazingas keep acting like it never happened then it really never happened. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu ahaha waaait, diablo! [03:19]
mircea_popescu "22. Patrick McFarland (@Diablo-D3) McFarland is the creator of DiabloMiner, a Java GPU bitcoin miner that uses the OpenCL framework to quickly perform the hashing computations. [03:19]
mircea_popescu In addition, McFarland is a BitcoinTalk forum moderator." [03:19]
mircea_popescu the part where he wanted everyone to give him bitcoin so he gets 1mn of them together to build some sort of weirdo powerplant-dc combo and then got insanely butthurt when people kinda laughed omitted. [03:19]
mircea_popescu the part where this thing ended up traded with usagi and who knows what else in bitcointalks most outrageous example of retardation, doing all sorts of insane valuations that essentially resulting in his few investors being fleeced about 95% in the first year also omitted. [03:20]
mircea_popescu ahh this was a great walk in the past, thanks for asking fluff. [03:20]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose. [03:28]
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mircea_popescu (discussed in more detail ) [03:30]
assbot The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [03:30]
mircea_popescu that it still constitutes a majority of the cultural festooning of the colonies to this day... well... nobody forces the mt obe stupid. [03:30]
mircea_popescu outside of this, there's really nothing wrong with reusing other people's *working* material. [03:30]
mircea_popescu shakespeare did it. [03:31]
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mircea_popescu decimation: well, certainly one cannot be enemies with usg or usg's agents << everyone in bitcoin is and can. [03:32]
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Fun1 :) [03:33]
mircea_popescu who're you ? [03:33]
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mircea_popescu hm doth that mean ddoser kid is back ? [03:36]
mircea_popescu neways, enough excitement for one day. laters! [03:42]
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mircea_popescu what is this scandal! [13:19]
mircea_popescu ther most incredible thing about that fun guy's link is that volume is 0 "? [13:33]
mircea_popescu wth instrument is that anyway. [13:33]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell fun so you ever figure it out ? [13:36]
mircea_popescu oh for crying out loud. [13:36]
mircea_popescu nanotube help us help you. what's gribble need ? [13:36]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ? [13:38]
kakobrekla times 1k. [13:39]
mircea_popescu right, louder. i guess not being a total redneck retard helps internet scamming. [13:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla why would people with large holdings not have inheritance set up ? [13:39]
mircea_popescu not like it's 2011 and we're just figuring this novel bitcoin thing out [13:40]
cazalla mircea_popescu, but would the son that inherits them be just as capable as the father who accumulated them? [13:41]
cazalla maybe i got a little bit too much oxygen while walking, i unno [13:41]
mircea_popescu i didn't think of sons tbh. i guess that's what inheritance means. [13:42]
mircea_popescu no, if i go there's going to be a bunch of ninja vamps suddenly very rich. [13:42]
mircea_popescu if i were the world i'd be pretty fucking careful. [13:42]
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mircea_popescu lol [13:44]
mircea_popescu punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up? << wouldn't have any appreciable short term effect. [13:46]
thestringpuller coins are already technically out of circulation [13:46]
mircea_popescu punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure. <<< this is unavoidable. no ransom of the future will be anything but bitcoin. [13:47]
mircea_popescu the logistics of fiat paper make it useless for the purpose. [13:47]
mircea_popescu so brace yourselves, it's gonna be in teh media. [13:47]
kakobrekla yes more ransoms plox to keeps the price ups [13:48]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: stop giving #b-a criminal ideas [13:48]
mircea_popescu "i won't interrupt this sketch for a pound." [13:48]
kakobrekla srs i need meat to live. [13:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla manmeat ? [13:48]
kakobrekla horse preferably. [13:48]
cazalla zomg thestringpuller, it was clearly stated it was a hypothetical! [13:49]
thestringpuller but it's totally a legit idea! [13:49]
mircea_popescu manhorsecock ?! [13:49]
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thestringpuller Kidnap someone with money, deliver ransom note, "pay in bitcoin or ELSE." You don't even have to have a drop point. [13:50]
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thestringpuller Once money is sent, release hostage. Move along. [13:50]
thestringpuller The mexican's will have a field day when they figure it out. [13:50]
mircea_popescu i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs. [13:50]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't decrypt jack if they sat on their head. what the fuck is this, the future or some shit / [13:51]
kakobrekla it may have to with the 'check if its real laptop or bombtop' thing [13:51]
mircea_popescu i dun care what words are coming out of their heads. [13:51]
mircea_popescu go ahead and check. [13:51]
mircea_popescu otherwise, go ahead and destroy it. [13:52]
mircea_popescu decryption does not happen. take it to nsa or whoever the fuck, they're smart righ ? [13:52]
kakobrekla she prolly had the option to leave it there [13:52]
mircea_popescu i guess my mistake here is to imagine the problems of poor people are relevant / the problems of people. [13:52]
mircea_popescu "you can have your laptop back for a pound." [13:53]
mircea_popescu "o gosh jolly, wouldn't you rather take a blowjob instead ?" [13:53]
kakobrekla you also carry and old ibm around no? [13:53]
kakobrekla an* [13:53]
mircea_popescu last time i flew i carried something like 38 encrypted disks. [13:53]
mircea_popescu just the disks, too. interestingly enough, nobody cared. [13:53]
kakobrekla did you have backups of those ? [13:54]
mircea_popescu myeah. [13:54]
kakobrekla aha [13:54]
mircea_popescu also a pile of assorted laptops, batteries, various cards and processors [13:54]
cazalla damn, that's a lot of porn [13:55]
mircea_popescu i was half expecting the customs say something, but they didn't. [13:55]
mircea_popescu but yeah, for the sake of fairness and balance : i dun recall ever having been hassled in any airport for any reason, except guatemala. [13:55]
mircea_popescu who are complete idiots and that country is the absolute asshole of the world, you're better off visiting the new delhi old dump. [13:56]
mircea_popescu cazalla it wasn't all porn! [13:56]
mircea_popescu adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier <<< guy's been here what, twelve weeks ? already enlightened. [13:57]
mircea_popescu "(2) Can you provide evidence that GAW actually mined (a) any blocks, and (b) anything like the number you claimed you were mining?" [13:58]
* adlai is pretty clueless/restless to qualify for that [13:58]
mircea_popescu i lolled. [13:58]
mircea_popescu << i lolled moar. [14:00]
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mircea_popescu etc in the same vein. [14:00]
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kakobrekla 'industry innovator' it sez. damn right. of chumpatronics. [14:01]
mircea_popescu the history of this "industry" term is so funny. [14:01]
mircea_popescu you will notice it is only used by people who are pointedly not involved in any sort of industrial matter. [14:01]
mircea_popescu it got started by the virtual schmucks of hollywood trying to give themselves some word based weight [14:02]
mircea_popescu much like all the shitty studios of the 50s were called like "empire" and "megaultra" etc. [14:02]
mircea_popescu then, the porn people picked it up. it was a very tongue in cheek sort of thing, originally, like a mockery of hollywood. [14:02]
mircea_popescu but that generation soon got pushed out by the tpg braindamaged set, and what was once irony became cereal. [14:03]
mircea_popescu and from there, via warriorforum and the nerve centers of "i failed local college business school" braindamage... it's in every confidence scam on the webs. [14:03]
mircea_popescu (tpg = thumbnail preview gallery, at the time an innovation that consisted of putting eight, then six, then four then three pics in a row and filling pages with such rows. each pic ideally linked to the material (more pics of the same set). then that evolved into the skim, where some pics are linked to whatever junk being sold etc.) [14:04]
adlai we could replace the term with "commons", to remind the participants that by shitting in the reservoir, they sully their own soup too. eg, "garza is a prominent scammer in the bitcoin commons", "bitcoin is causing a power shift in the pornography commons", etc [14:05]
mircea_popescu except there's no commonality. [14:05]
cazalla bit of a spike again [14:05]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [14:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: iirc, it was designed by a woman. i won't psychiatrize on this point, but let's see what mircea makes of it! << i dun get it, so what if a woman designed it ? [14:06]
adlai how so? there's a market, and these "industries" each squabble over their potential market [14:06]
mircea_popescu adlai this is merely an artefact of your socialistoid perspective. [14:06]
mircea_popescu no, there isn't "a market". [14:06]
mircea_popescu we're not all one, all the same, all on the same plane. we don't interact with the same things. [14:06]
adlai hmm i'm not that socialist, i've probably miscommunicated [14:07]
kakobrekla paycoin is sitting at 3.87$ atm btw. [14:07]
kakobrekla not bad at all! [14:08]
cazalla kakobrekla, not possible! [14:08]
cazalla $20 floor [14:08]
mircea_popescu isn't this the thing going to be 20 tomorrow ? [14:08]
adlai wasn't it going to be 20 a few days ago? [14:08]
mircea_popescu adlai let me give you an example of what i mean. do you know who was the first person to speak german in israel after the war ? [14:09]
adlai no [14:09]
mircea_popescu marlene dietrich. [14:09]
adlai ok, how is this relevant? [14:10]
mircea_popescu now, look at it. admitting for the sake of thinking that the germans were entertainers, since you're admitting garza is in business [14:10]
mircea_popescu how exactly did the nazis sully the soup for dietrich ? [14:10]
adlai (sounds like a stretch, too, israel has/d plenty of german- and yiddish-speaking immigrants) [14:10]
mircea_popescu but they did not speak german anymore. [14:10]
mircea_popescu look it up, or ask old people that lived it. [14:11]
adlai well there's a huge prejudice against germany the nation and german the language, even among people my age who don't have any family who suffered in the holocaust - but they just inherited the prejudice because it's so pervasive [14:11]
mircea_popescu that's not related to the historical fact in question. [14:12]
* adlai is a little lost, also trying to extinguish fires in a running bot [14:14]
* kakobrekla curious about the fire [14:14]
mircea_popescu lol did it get sniped after all ? [14:15]
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assbot Marlene Dietrich - Lili Marleen - YouTube ... ( ) [14:15]
mircea_popescu Vor der Kaserne, wor dem grossen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor... [14:15]
* mircea_popescu sings along [14:15]
adlai no, i'm just improving its abstractions to accomodate new exchanges' quirks; and i did this a little carelessly, crashing the one bot. so i'm trying to setup methods in the other bot so it updates to the new code cleanly [14:16]
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kakobrekla which exchanges ? [14:18]
cazalla 4am and finally a yawn, night night.. [14:19]
adlai runs on kraken and bitfinex already, now adding btce [14:19]
adlai chinese exchanges are probably next, although i'd like to do repay some technical debt first [14:23]
mircea_popescu "For most of America’s history, one of the most righteous anti-white supremacist tactics available was looting." [14:23]
mircea_popescu i gotta say lol... [14:23]
adlai at some point it'll be a good idea to make this thing usable to people who don't speak lisp, some sorta local webserver or rpc thingy [14:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: who somehow lives off their tears <<< i do live off their tears. [14:28]
mircea_popescu the one thing i enjoy alongside redditard butttears of impotence is glaring bagging officer not comprehending why he has to bag my groceries. [14:29]
mircea_popescu adlai why that ? [14:29]
mircea_popescu undata: everybody in america thinks they were somehow robbed of making it big like everyone else did <<< the necessary byproduct of the entire "hero" thing graham & co promote. "work hard and we'll pay one in a million ten thousand times a salary, maybe you'll be him!" [14:30]
mircea_popescu just like slag goes with burning coal for power, buncha idiots thinking they were "robbed of making it big like everyone else" goes with "we don't pay you but maybe you get a promotion" [14:31]
adlai make it possible for people to use it without me having to set it up for them myself [14:31]
mircea_popescu the irony being that out of the scum in question, no other process can extract any use. [14:31]
mircea_popescu if they were merely offered a fair salary for their work they wouldn't take it because "it's not enough to live on". as if "living" is somehow fixed and god ordered that black guy in missouri must live better than black guy in senegal. [14:32]
adlai requiring my magic touch is a sort of "job security", but i'd rather get paid to write new code than configure old apps [14:32]
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mircea_popescu i don't follow the logic of how it would be useful "in general". [14:33]
adlai you mean why anybody would want to use scalpl? [14:33]
mircea_popescu no, but why would everybody want to use it. [14:34]
mircea_popescu as opposed to you know, one single person (presumably you). [14:36]
adlai not everybody, there are plenty of other places to put money; but it's reached the stage where more people are interested in using this than i'd like to hand-hold through the -entire- setup. (this is a very low number of people, i'm not good at customer support...) [14:36]
mircea_popescu on the 0 1 infinity scale i readily see why 1 rather than 0, i just don't grok why infinity rather than one. [14:36]
adlai there are also two ways of interpreting this question - "why would other people want to use it", or "why would adlai want more people to use it" [14:37]
mircea_popescu right ? [14:38]
adlai to maximize the amount of wealth profiting from stabilizing bitcoin [14:41]
mircea_popescu the logical approach to that is to increase your bankroll, not to spread among a bunch of idiots. [14:41]
mircea_popescu there's a reason capitalism historically flows towards enriching nodes, not elevating the graph. [14:41]
adlai who says i'm not doing both at once? [14:42]
mircea_popescu i don't per se care what yu do, it's a moral discussion. [14:42]
mircea_popescu "what should be done." [14:42]
adlai right. if i get a well-capitalized account profiting from this, what's morally wrong with that? [14:43]
adlai you could point out that i've fallen short of pure greed by not accepting investment, paying dividends, and retaining some fee as a personal profit [14:44]
mircea_popescu nothing at all. (note that i use "moral" properly, not in the bastardized form common among the plethora of would-be stalins without the ballsack.) [14:44]
mircea_popescu let's put it in more general terms. you're proposing to lower the bar of what constitutes a qualified investor. [14:45]
mircea_popescu you propose this as an obvious good. [14:45]
mircea_popescu i dun see the obviousness and hence the inquiry. [14:45]
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adlai i'm not proposing to lower it to the ground, scalpl works quite badly on small accounts, and even with the usability changes i'm imagining, it'll be easy to footgun without either my help or some level of understanding on behalf of the shooter [14:47]
mircea_popescu the degree wasn't in question. [14:47]
adlai well, i do think that an oligarchy is better than a monarchy, if that's what the question is [14:48]
kakobrekla what is a small account ? 0.1 ? 1? 10? 100 ? [14:48]
mircea_popescu adlai why ? [14:48]
mircea_popescu (and generally, moral thought proceeds quite strictly : 1) is this a good thing or a bad thing ; 2) how much of it ? there's no overalpping these stages) [14:49]
adlai resilience in the face of population bottlenecks ( ) [14:49]
assbot Population bottleneck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [14:49]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla 1 because it's the smallest amount of number. [14:49]
kakobrekla aha [14:49]
adlai kakobrekla: i'd say you want at least 100x the exchange's minimum order size [14:50]
mircea_popescu adlai that made no sense. [14:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is. [14:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: they go out, same as in usg-sponsored 'colour revolutions', because 'there's action tonight' << quite. which is why it's so lulzy to watch. [14:50]
mircea_popescu generally, people tend to hurl as insults/bombs/damage to others what they're most afraid of themselves. there's a very good reason color revolutions exist, and it has nothing to do with ukraine or gaddafi. [14:51]
mircea_popescu errything to do with what every senator knows and fears at home. [14:51]
kakobrekla i havent used any exchange with api for over a year [14:52]
adlai my thinking is along the lines of a society/economy not having all its eggs in one basket. it doesn't have to have one egg per basket, with daily redistributions; a "fit economy still has strong inequality, but it's not skewed all the way to either side of the spectrum [14:52]
mircea_popescu adlai ok but i dunno how this relates to discussion [14:54]
adlai and if morality is part of the question... deep down, i'm one of those software freedom zealots. not quite to the point of GPLing everything i write, but yes to the point of sharing my work. [14:54]
mircea_popescu ie it still doesn't answer my oreiginal curiosiuty [14:54]
mircea_popescu this has little to do with the software in question mind. [14:54]
adlai why not? i've written something useful, i'm trying to make it more useful, and i _believe_ (ie, an opinion more grounded in emotion than evidence) that the right thing to do is share this [14:55]
adlai what's missing from answering your original question? [14:56]
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mircea_popescu all of it. [14:57]
mircea_popescu why do you propose it as a good. [14:57]
mircea_popescu i can readily construct a scenario where it harms, if it helps. [14:58]
adlai please do, i'm typing up another answer attempt meanwhile [14:58]
mircea_popescu okay. suppose currently robot has use cost X, expressed in some translated value of he sophistication/time/etc needed to use it. [14:59]
mircea_popescu suppose you move it to X-e [14:59]
mircea_popescu this increases the pool of users from U to U+x. the average sophistication of x is < than the average of U. in fact it's common even if we won;t rely on it that the peak of x is under the lowest of U. [14:59]
mircea_popescu this will increase failures from F to F+y, where y/F > x/U > e/X [15:00]
mircea_popescu this is the definition of harm. [15:00]
adlai we know nothing about failure rates from outside U, or failure rates of the original users after more have joined [15:01]
mircea_popescu in which case at most we can't say whether it's a good or bad idea, and shouldn't bother with it at all ? [15:01]
adlai the way scalpl works currently, you can use it badly and lose money, just like with any investment; and that is likely to never change [15:01]
mircea_popescu yes, but by the time get involved, you know they'll mostly lose. [15:02]
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mircea_popescu if they didn't mostly lose, they wouldn't be "homicide da union", they'd be the cupcakes and crumpets core. [15:02]
adlai the latecomers will likely lose wherever they go, i'm less focused on making it easier for them, more on making it easier for users #3-10 [15:03]
mircea_popescu oh i see. [15:03]
mircea_popescu good point. [15:03]
thestringpuller easy sunday all [15:03]
thestringpuller how is the cult today? [15:03]
adlai reaching the end of an argument. quick, say something socialist! [15:03]
mircea_popescu you just missed the spanish inquisition. [15:03]
adlai :D [15:03]
thestringpuller uh, i believe all people should be given everything equally [15:04]
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mircea_popescu i just gave the girls some penis. [15:04]
mircea_popescu kneel an' say aah ? [15:04]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu should donate 10% of the MPOE profits to charity [15:04]
thestringpuller so that homeless people can have free access to drugs [15:04]
mircea_popescu that's not socialist, that's pharma oligopolist! [15:05]
mircea_popescu o wait, you meant psychoactives ? [15:05]
thestringpuller Haha! [15:05]
adlai mircea_popescu: you may be overestimating the maturity of my project... it's existed outside my head, as running code, for under 9 months; and has only turned profitable during the latter half [15:05]
thestringpuller adlai sorry, seems I'd have to dig through some socialist propaganda to say something socialist. its surprisingly hard to come up with something [15:05]
mircea_popescu adlai i was just discussing teh principle involved. [15:05]
adlai sure [15:06]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller now you see how the cult is doing. [15:06]
mircea_popescu was a funny exercise in "so i shouldn't make emacs easier to use for the people already using it because this will lower the barrier to entry for idiots and ruin the party ? what are you, insane ?" [15:07]
mircea_popescu pretty good. [15:07]
thestringpuller VIM 4 LYFE [15:08]
adlai notepad++!!!! [15:08]
mircea_popescu (i dun really emacs either) [15:08]
thestringpuller Random: oh wow this was napex thing right: [15:08]
adlai emacs is useful for a few things, terrible for most others [15:08]
thestringpuller [15:08]
mircea_popescu i guess vi + bash is a sort of retarded man's emacs. [15:08]
thestringpuller Naphex* [15:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? [15:09]
mircea_popescu seeing how the exclusive was right here in teh logs [15:09]
thestringpuller I think cazalla was waiting for more news, and maybe we all forgot? [15:10]
mircea_popescu i guess. [15:10]
adlai would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami? [15:10]
mircea_popescu was easy pickings for an article anyway [15:11]
mircea_popescu i imagine so. [15:11]
mircea_popescu cazalla seems to have a hardon for the guy. [15:11]
adlai irl coverage is less easy pickings [15:11]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard: Hi, I was starting to miss this place << preach it sistar! [15:11]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: just because its old news doesn't mean there still isn't exclusive content to pull from [15:12]
* adlai should check the schedule, make sure he'll be free for the juicy bits [15:12]
thestringpuller not as novel tho [15:12]
mircea_popescu right. [15:12]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard: that keeps me from opening it myself, but doesn’t keep me off twitter haha << might halp [15:13]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: OMG MP vacation has been one of the best things to happen to MPOE price... aside from saving OpenBSD. << my lyf ;/ [15:15]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [15:15]
mircea_popescu nano is apparently on a vacation of his own [15:16]
thestringpuller XD [15:16]
thestringpuller nanotube you got some 'splainin to do [15:16]
thestringpuller the price collapse is amazing, reminds me of October 2012 [15:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:17]
adlai holy fuck the mop is amazing [15:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:17]
thestringpuller ^- i partially think this is kako's way to condition us to stop using the world amazing [15:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:17]
thestringpuller word* [15:17]
adlai but some things, like the mop, are truly amazing [15:18]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: << another current mega-lol. ua fission plant installs 'westinghouse' fuel rods, begins to leak. << there's just no way ukraine doesn't end up with another nuclear blast. [15:20]
assbot На Запорожской АЭС произошла утечка радиации - уровень превышает норму ... ( ) [15:20]
mircea_popescu they're out of power, desperate enough. [15:20]
mircea_popescu o look at that, the exchanges quoting under 300 ? lol. k. [15:24]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ? << Pretty much except redone by seasoned rural telecom bezzel turdmeisters. 3 Years experience or some shit. OgNasty down to the fan club. [15:26]
mircea_popescu !up MetatronOne [15:26]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [15:26]
mircea_popescu for crying out loud. [15:26]
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MetatronOne o/ [15:28]
mircea_popescu "I learned a valuable lesson here though. Don’t trust .gitignores and gems like Firago for keeping your data safe," [15:29]
mircea_popescu yeah, don't trust ror. [15:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Why does my brother pretend he has not the slightest bit of racism in him yet when he moves to the city chooses a Bosnian neighborhood over a black neighborhood? <<< i can see a few reasons right off. [15:31]
mircea_popescu such as, the womenz. maybe he ran into a few adolescent bosniac sluts on his recon visit [15:31]
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mircea_popescu now with illustrations : [15:33]
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Naphex gribble down? [15:33]
mircea_popescu myeah. [15:34]
Naphex ;/ [15:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? << In a couple shorter bits. Waiting for another point of lulz inflection to do much more. [15:35]
mircea_popescu ah k [15:35]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ? [15:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: he ragequit ? << prolly related to [15:46]
assbot WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno... [15:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2110 @ 0.00086513 = 1.8254 BTC [-] {3} [15:49]
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mircea_popescu TomServo: I'm surprised ol' Brucey Bruce isn't parroting the "OMG NK!!1" line. << "Tellingly, the FBI's press release says that the bureau's conclusion is only based "in part" on these clues. This leaves open the possibility that the government has classified evidence that North Korea is behind the attack. The NSA has been trying to eavesdrop on North Korea's government communications since the Korean War, and it's rea [15:53]
mircea_popescu sonable to assume that its analysts are in pretty deep. The agency might have intelligence on the planning process for the hack. It might, say, have phone calls discussing the project, weekly PowerPoint status reports, or even Kim Jong Un's sign-off on the plan." [15:53]
mircea_popescu he;s doing as much of that as he possibly can. [15:53]
mircea_popescu just... has to cover his bets, because he might be old but he suspects he'll outlive teh muppet show. [15:54]
mircea_popescu i especially loved the "it might have". yeah, and i might have fucked obama in the ass. [15:54]
mircea_popescu why not ? maybe he's a gimp slaveboi. he certainly looks it. heck, maybe i put it all on weekly powerpoints. [15:55]
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kakobrekla asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno... < prolly seeing different things in the pic [15:56]
mircea_popescu i see a bipedal dog. [15:57]
kakobrekla aha yes its very abstract. [15:57]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 3 << translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? [15:57]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla he probably even struggles in opposition of bathing as much as the usual dog. [15:57]
BingoBoingo [15:58]
assbot The hits keep coming. Now /CNN is quoting a parody Twitter account without any kind of fact checking whatsoever. [15:58]
kakobrekla but is he a slave? [15:58]
kakobrekla and if he is, to whom? [15:59]
mircea_popescu well i dunno whose shit he's guarding there [15:59]
kakobrekla anyway ill let ascii argue that one out. [15:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00064586 = 10.9473 BTC [+] {3} [16:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay! [16:03]
kakobrekla my inbox agrees [16:04]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: cazalla: Gordhan is a smart man, but they're doing exactly as expected - they're just going to copy what everyone else is doing << your definition of smartness is very tolerant. [16:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla only 4565 cookies ? [16:04]
kakobrekla 0 negative cookies [16:04]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: a street criminal can be smart, not the same as being visionary or being clever :) [16:05]
mircea_popescu granted. [16:05]
kakobrekla but the active bets is kinda low, down to 41 also thanks to my 'genius' mandatory zeroconf [16:05]
mircea_popescu yeah, but the wanna-be soam in comments is up lol [16:09]
kakobrekla soam? [16:09]
kakobrekla foam? [16:10]
kakobrekla scam? [16:10]
mircea_popescu spam lol [16:10]
kakobrekla fuck im so irrogant [16:11]
mircea_popescu "we have a billion bitcoins, can't afford advertising, here's a link you have to c/p" [16:11]
kakobrekla idk why nobody made a bot yet [16:12]
mircea_popescu guess. [16:13]
kakobrekla it cant be. [16:13]
mircea_popescu o but it is. [16:14]
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mircea_popescu punkman: <- mega lol <<< heh, as if anyone will EVER pay taxed gambling. [16:26]
mircea_popescu idiots. [16:26]
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mircea_popescu xanthyos: thestringpuller: what if we created a #bitcoin-assets pokerstars home game club and had a way that every account generated was tied to a gribble-authed account, and use it as both a gaming platform as well as a record-keeping ledger for off-blockchain track of wins and losses <<< check it out kakobrekla [16:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's an idea we were going to develop but didn't actually get started on. [16:27]
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mircea_popescu it's actually a very good idea, and i'd still like to see it done. [16:27]
kakobrekla any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead. adding another barrier to the mix i do not need to continue this sentence. [16:30]
kakobrekla btc right now is pretty much : you are an exchange or dead or dead exchange [16:34]
mircea_popescu only because ineptly run. [16:35]
BingoBoingo [16:38]
assbot Should Protesters Lose Their Gun Rights? | Free Keene ... ( ) [16:39]
mircea_popescu derp. [16:41]
mircea_popescu "rights = just like freedom, except when you might need them or wish to use them. then they're like a cock up your ass." [16:42]
adlai random bit of info, some node claiming to be BTCXchange still running: receive version message: / Mapper:0.01/: version 60000, blocks=230000, peer= [16:43]
Naphex it is still running [16:43]
* adlai hasn't been following the story closely [16:43]
Naphex everything there is still running [16:44]
Naphex lol [16:44]
adlai blocks=230000 is a little worrying >_> [16:44]
Naphex thats a dnsseed [16:44]
Naphex it scans nodes [16:44]
Naphex pings them and stuff and keeps em in a list [16:44]
Naphex dosn't sync anything, and is just some fake checkpoint reported. it is only interested in the version message [16:45]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "S&P 500 to drop under 1700 before March" Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.31560018 BTC. Current weight: 76,006. [16:45]
Naphex but the bitcoin node is running fine from what i can see [16:45]
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* adlai out to dinner [16:46]
adlai but thanks for the explanation [16:47]
Naphex np [16:47]
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mircea_popescu "I know the the responsible for the conference, and his integrity is unquestionable." [17:17]
mircea_popescu reddit is ever lulzy. [17:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, who is this "integrity unquesitonable" guy we forget to mention ? [17:17]
mircea_popescu generally that point should be made by the man's name, not by idle adulation by (other) anon entities. [17:18]
kakobrekla best scammers will walk free [17:20]
mircea_popescu decimation: I would like to put in a good word for KnC miner. << so it actually works out to them booking a nominal loss because of spot movement ? [17:20]
mircea_popescu heh. [17:20]
mircea_popescu lol ook, buterin, ver and ... wtf is wrong with gallippi ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu go there hang out with like... all the scammers, all the have-beens and all teh posers ? [17:23]
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mircea_popescu anyway. moe levin. never heard of him. [17:24]
mircea_popescu (i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo) [17:25]
mircea_popescu cazalla : maybe ask the man where he did his 6 months' study ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu "We think that a Q&A period, moderated by someone you choose, will provide the proper forum for people to make their voices heard. We think that this layout, instead of a speech, is the appropriate forum." [17:26]
mircea_popescu having "their voices heard" ? seriously ? [17:26]
mircea_popescu lol. mmmmkay. [17:26]
mircea_popescu what are bitcoin people supposed to be, a sort of ferguson negroes, "hey, nothing will happen because reasons, but here, have this tupperware container to scream in." [17:27]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences." << no, he has a point. that's exactly how that racket works. [17:28]
[]bot Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" [17:33]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is. << nobody expects gavin to say something sensible anymore than they'd expect ronald mcdonald to. [17:33]
mircea_popescu he's the guy in the satoshi costume. [17:33]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,986. [17:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00062468 = 13.8054 BTC [-] {3} [17:58]
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ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere [19:05]
mircea_popescu ah [19:08]
BingoBoingo And yet gasoline is now under $2 a gallon here. [19:10]
mircea_popescu decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes. [19:10]
kakobrekla lol euro [19:10]
assbot ... ( ) [19:10]
kakobrekla (just opened) [19:10]
mircea_popescu lol [19:11]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home << pretty much yes. [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062683 = 3.761 BTC [+] {2} [19:15]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. <<< term only came of age last year. [19:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00062312 = 11.6523 BTC [-] {2} [19:18]
mircea_popescu woot all caught up [19:23]
mircea_popescu ;;ping [19:23]
mircea_popescu << this is quite splendid. [19:25]
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mircea_popescu well done mod6 an ben_vulpes [19:25]
mircea_popescu an jurov [19:26]
mircea_popescu an who else is doing stuffs there [19:26]
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thestringpuller Chairman Popescu. [22:33]
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Apocalyptic still no gribble eh [22:33]
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thestringpuller yea no one knows where he is [22:43]
mircea_popescu heya & thanks [22:46]
ben_vulpes dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile. [22:46]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"? [22:46]
mircea_popescu no. [22:47]
mircea_popescu i see guy's still idling here tho [22:47]
mircea_popescu but anyway, since we're on it : anyone wish to write a proper ircd ? [22:47]
mircea_popescu ima make a spec for it. [22:47]
ben_vulpes and a bouncer, while we're at it. [22:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6142 @ 0.00064049 = 3.9339 BTC [+] [22:47]
thestringpuller ircd? [22:48]
ben_vulpes znc is broken flaky hellspawn. [22:48]
mircea_popescu yeah. i guess this calls for a whole new category on trilema. [22:48]
mircea_popescu ima do it once done with reports, announcements and other first of month stuff [22:48]
ben_vulpes "shit mp wants built" [22:49]
mircea_popescu the thing where i put it in a pastedbin dun work, im sick of looking up the url for the deedbot one. [22:49]
mircea_popescu cazalla qntra wordcounts ? [22:49]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: those have been up since the 1st: [22:52]
ben_vulpes is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes? [22:53]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes lordship list, sure [22:53]
mircea_popescu oh ty thestringpuller [22:53]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list? [22:54]
mircea_popescu ah yes my bad. [22:54]
mircea_popescu teh... knighthood ? [22:54]
ben_vulpes the peerage? [22:54]
mircea_popescu most honorable order of teh bath ? [22:54]
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mircea_popescu speaking of which...ño‎ [22:55]
assbot Orden del Baño - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre ... ( ) [22:55]
mircea_popescu because we translate proper nouns now. [22:55]
ben_vulpes ooh most noble order of the garter [22:55]
ben_vulpes garter snakes hueeee [22:56]
mircea_popescu lol works [22:56]
ben_vulpes no its horrible [22:56]
mircea_popescu "the cult" ? [22:57]
ben_vulpes "the hoplites"? [22:57]
mircea_popescu then the verb for joining could be "cultured" [22:57]
ben_vulpes ew. [22:58]
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mircea_popescu i dunno, ask tat, he's the naming fiend. [22:58]
mircea_popescu or mebbe hanbot [22:58]
mircea_popescu wow check out mike_c dominate the qntra wordcounts in dec. [22:59]
Apocalyptic you're probably looking at the first bytes of the fingerprint, not his wordcount heh [23:00]
Apocalyptic happened to me too [23:01]
thestringpuller XD [23:01]
mircea_popescu oh oh lol [23:01]
mircea_popescu oops [23:01]
thestringpuller where has TaT been? [23:01]
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mircea_popescu ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist. << not what i meant. what i meant was the construct's nonsense. [23:02]
mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "plagiarism" anymore than there's burning bushes or actual sides of christmeat. [23:03]
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mircea_popescu whaty's this altgribble thing ? [23:07]
kakobrekla someone runs a gribble clone [23:07]
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mircea_popescu but how is this possible ? [23:11]
mircea_popescu i mean... if you rate with it, it updates the db ? [23:11]
Apocalyptic nope [23:11]
kakobrekla i guess you cant rate [23:11]
Apocalyptic you can't rate [23:11]
kakobrekla see [23:11]
kakobrekla my guess is better than sexyginger [23:11]
Apocalyptic dat kako [23:12]
mircea_popescu decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats) <<< or young women having casual sex. [23:12]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [23:12]
mircea_popescu so basically it doesn't do anything. [23:12]
mircea_popescu why'd i trust it's "registered" claims. [23:12]
mircea_popescu decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous << from what i hear it's actually safer than flying planes. [23:13]
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Phraust :) [23:15]
mircea_popescu "moms who persist in using big, boxy PC computers and small-town police departments." [23:16]
mircea_popescu fucking idiots these people. [23:16]
mircea_popescu my computer is "big, boxy PC" [23:17]
mircea_popescu and it shits on his useless applepad or whatever the fuck it is. [23:17]
mircea_popescu how goes Phoebus [23:17]
mircea_popescu i mean Phraust [23:17]
mircea_popescu "So what can we all do to protect ourselves? Keep our computers backed up on an independent drive or by using a cloud backup service like Carbonite, take those software update and “patch” alerts seriously" [23:17]
mircea_popescu mno. but anyway. [23:17]
Phraust not bad. livin' the dream :D [23:18]
Phraust finally got time to irc again. what's been crackin'? [23:18]
mircea_popescu "Welcome to the new ransomware economy, where hackers have a reputation to consider." "welcome to the post-modern world, where 'criminals' are more reliable than governments, and certainly more useful." [23:18]
mircea_popescu Phraust not much really. same old bs, restated in all seriousness by a new generation of turnips. [23:19]
* Phraust nods. [23:19]
Phraust THings just ain't the same for gangsters. [23:19]
mircea_popescu just as an idle exercise, imagine how that article'd have sounded if the criminals were some usg agency, stealing the woman's drive and not giving it back. [23:21]
mircea_popescu i seem to recall a bunch of these, and they're all fucking respectful. [23:21]
mircea_popescu time for a tone change, mainstream media. [23:21]
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PinkPosixPXE thank you [23:36]
ben_vulpes how've you been? [23:36]
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PinkPosixPXE oh man.. I've been helping my friend who runs a VPS provider,, migrate everything to a new host node [23:38]
PinkPosixPXE all his containers [23:38]
mircea_popescu o hey, PinkPosixPXE [23:38]
PinkPosixPXE and wrote an ipv6_ddos mitigations cript [23:38]
PinkPosixPXE script [23:38]
PinkPosixPXE for him [23:38]
ben_vulpes that's a shitload of work yow [23:38]
mircea_popescu is it any good ? [23:38]
PinkPosixPXE ovh works for our ipv4 stuff [23:38]
cazalla mircea_popescu, posted 5 days ago [23:38]
assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2014 Statement | ... ( ) [23:38]
ben_vulpes i've been digging through (ghetto vps) for uptime gems [23:39]
assbot IPXcore (@ipxcore) | Twitter ... ( ) [23:39]
PinkPosixPXE but ipv6 is more difficult, so this does a count on the packets, and if it exceeds the limit, it finds the ipv6 address, and vps in question, and then disables those addresses on the vps so they can't be targetted [23:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla yeah i see. qntra is so successful i got lost among the articles :) [23:39]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE doesn't sound like much mitigation. [23:39]
PinkPosixPXE I'm going to update it to set a timer to re enable them after a certain period of time and do some updates to it, but it's been keeping things up for the last few weeks [23:39]
PinkPosixPXE well when the packet limit is breached, usually the vps will be suspended [23:40]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i was first! as they say, some people are so far behind the race that they actually believe they are leading :P [23:40]
PinkPosixPXE automatically [23:40]
mircea_popescu lol [23:40]
ben_vulpes PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing? [23:40]
PinkPosixPXE this ensure the vps won't be suspended, and just removes the target ipv6 ips [23:40]
PinkPosixPXE until the attack stops [23:40]
PinkPosixPXE it's a better solution for customers than 'container susspended again' [23:41]
PinkPosixPXE suspended* [23:41]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ? [23:41]
PinkPosixPXE sorry, been migrating and snapshotting containers to this new server all day [23:41]
PinkPosixPXE the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation [23:42]
mircea_popescu "oh, i see you're trying to connect to a vps that a) you've not connected before and b) is being attacked ? come back next week." [23:42]
PinkPosixPXE and a null route is put in place as well [23:42]
PinkPosixPXE but often times they are spoofed source ip's [23:42]
PinkPosixPXE so that can sometimes be ineffective long term [23:42]
mircea_popescu why is ovh allowing spoofs inside ? [23:42]
mircea_popescu nm. ovh. [23:42]
PinkPosixPXE ipv6 ddos attacks are just a pain all around [23:42]
PinkPosixPXE it's a different beast [23:43]
PinkPosixPXE this runs on the host node [23:43]
PinkPosixPXE this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out [23:44]
PinkPosixPXE and before long the addresses come back up when the attack dies down [23:44]
PinkPosixPXE anywho [23:44]
PinkPosixPXE it is a band-aid until we can figure something better out [23:44]
PinkPosixPXE but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks [23:45]
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PinkPosixPXE and this isn't exactly how I'd setup vps hosting [23:45]
PinkPosixPXE I have 3 vps' at a very large (Free) discount with this provider [23:46]
PinkPosixPXE and root on the host node [23:46]
PinkPosixPXE and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out [23:46]
PinkPosixPXE I'm learning how sloppy some of it is [23:46]
PinkPosixPXE I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one [23:47]
PinkPosixPXE and split off my own vps services [23:47]
ben_vulpes here's to dedis [23:47]
PinkPosixPXE on my own host [23:47]
PinkPosixPXE but that's down the road a month at least [23:47]
ben_vulpes PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here. [23:47]
PinkPosixPXE yea, I was thinking about that [23:47]
PinkPosixPXE and I plan to offer BTC as payment [23:48]
PinkPosixPXE as well as DDOS mitigation, and of course ipv6 [23:48]
PinkPosixPXE now that I've helped run, and in some ways rescue this vps provider [23:48]
ben_vulpes if you can afford to denominate in btc... [23:49]
ben_vulpes gamechanger right there. [23:49]
PinkPosixPXE and get the migrations streamlined to the new host [23:49]
PinkPosixPXE I can see where I can put together a much better product [23:49]
kakobrekla see what i told you, wife material right there. [23:49]
PinkPosixPXE yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today [23:50]
ben_vulpes !s wife material [23:50]
PinkPosixPXE after we migrated a few [23:50]
assbot 1 results for 'wife material' : [23:50]
PinkPosixPXE and fixed about 10 issues he ran into within 5 minutes [23:50]
PinkPosixPXE but mostly after the script [23:50]
PinkPosixPXE he said he was going to force me to marry him one day [23:50]
PinkPosixPXE and that it may be by gunpoint [23:50]
ben_vulpes good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh [23:50]
PinkPosixPXE yep haha [23:51]
PinkPosixPXE I'm probably a better shot too :x [23:51]
BingoBoingo That helps. [23:51]
PinkPosixPXE ben_vulpes: I might need you (or some of you guys) as resources regarding I ensure I setup my bitcoin merchanting properly [23:52]
PinkPosixPXE I've done some research [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064049 = 2.1136 BTC [+] [23:52]
PinkPosixPXE and know how to add it [23:53]
ben_vulpes are you planning to convert directly to fiat? [23:53]
kakobrekla he means if you gonna be a bitch! [23:53]
PinkPosixPXE I will probably have a recurring tool that converst a portion of it to fiat [23:53]
PinkPosixPXE converts* [23:53]
PinkPosixPXE I wouldn't make it all fiat [23:54]
PinkPosixPXE I'm not bailing on bitcoin [23:54]
PinkPosixPXE recent drops don't scare me [23:54]
kakobrekla its ok hon you can be honest here. :) [23:54]
PinkPosixPXE in fact, I've been buying more as it's gone down [23:54]
PinkPosixPXE it's the holidays.. [23:54]
ben_vulpes PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control [23:55]
ben_vulpes use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations [23:55]
ben_vulpes there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts [23:55]
PinkPosixPXE ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is [23:55]
PinkPosixPXE BTC match up to current USD [23:55]
ben_vulpes right [23:55]
PinkPosixPXE or whatever currency [23:55]
ben_vulpes that's your quoting logic [23:56]
PinkPosixPXE yea, that shouldn't be too bad, sweet [23:56]
ben_vulpes totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin [23:56]
PinkPosixPXE yea, I've noticed it where I shop using bitcoin quite a bit [23:56]
ben_vulpes what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs. [23:56]
ben_vulpes you could, ofc. [23:56]
ben_vulpes there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that... [23:57]
ben_vulpes but don't. [23:57]
PinkPosixPXE ok, good to know [23:57]
PinkPosixPXE yea, these were some of the things I was curious about [23:57]
ben_vulpes don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain [23:57]
ben_vulpes use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr [23:58]
ben_vulpes and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind [23:58]
kakobrekla wait whut is this no separate address bsns [23:58]
PinkPosixPXE oh yea, api -> webapp -> blochain updates.. too slow [23:58]
PinkPosixPXE that makes sense [23:58]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman [23:58]
ben_vulpes you have a thing that works, congrats. [23:58]
kakobrekla ?? [23:59]
ben_vulpes ?? [23:59]
assbot BitBet ... ( ) [23:59]
kakobrekla i dont understand y no unique address per order? [23:59]
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