Forum logs for 04 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu in the world. [00:00]
asciilifeform i may even have been to that circus. [00:00]
mircea_popescu which is, yes, a kind of circus. [00:00]
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mircea_popescu see, in your own imagination, which is boundless or close enough, you could. [00:00]
mircea_popescu but you're not free, being alive, and in that bound system you don't actually get enough elbow room to really find out. [00:00]
asciilifeform sure as hell. [00:00]
asciilifeform not sure what, if anything, i might be surprised by (on this subject) if my bubble were larger. [00:01]
mircea_popescu most of the things one identifies as intelligence in the field is actually artfulness. [00:01]
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asciilifeform the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. [00:04]
BingoBoingo [00:05]
assbot How dare the Eric Garner protestors dare try to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating the birth a man who was murdered by the state. [00:05]
asciilifeform if this is a 'muscle' that can be 'well trained' - this is not a 'margarine', but a 'real butter'. idempotent. [00:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. << bulb battery wire? [00:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nope. trainable, because kindergarten homework. [00:06]
mircea_popescu so your idea of intelligence is... culture ? [00:06]
asciilifeform talking about actual novel concept. [00:06]
mircea_popescu well done lol. do i win yet ? [00:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure trainable, yet... some fail to rediscover after learning in kindergarden when skill is summoned for video [00:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try this with one of your pets. tell her 'waveguide motor' and see if she is able to draw one that could, in principle, function. or at least say what such a thing would be. [00:07]
asciilifeform considering the fact that no such item has been built, or, afaik, discussed, other than here by yours truly. [00:07]
asciilifeform and in none too great detail. [00:07]
mircea_popescu kind bad example cause didn't we discuss this here earlier ? [00:07]
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asciilifeform well yes. you may have to devise a similarly peculiar example, if your friends read #b-a. [00:08]
asciilifeform (pets?) [00:08]
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asciilifeform they 'reproduce' by popping out of the zero point vacuum for a little while. [00:09]
BingoBoingo Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug that could antigonize the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter. [00:09]
asciilifeform trainable. [00:09]
asciilifeform i worked with a whole mess of folks who could solve this one, for some value of 'solved' [00:09]
BingoBoingo Enough varied "trainable" questions though might approximate a test. Approximation probably necessary because jungle conditions. [00:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how many women do you know that could do this ? and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no but look, you're already conceding defeat. why are you building your castle out of my rocks ? [00:11]
mircea_popescu if you gotta use trainable tests you lost. [00:11]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << in case you missed that thread. [00:11]
assbot Logged on 02-12-2014 15:10:06; asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice' [00:11]
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BingoBoingo 4-5 prolly. But yeah. May have to concede this point [00:12]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of those blinky geomaps, and the only blinky spot is in argentina. [00:12]
asciilifeform and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it << ding ding ding - winner [00:13]
mircea_popescu well so if all your intelligence is in fact trained, then what are ye bitching about. [00:14]
asciilifeform depends what means 'trained' [00:15]
asciilifeform if 'trained' is what one can do with a parrot - then, no, intelligence is something quite else [00:15]
mircea_popescu but i did say that's not what's meant. [00:15]
asciilifeform if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) [00:16]
mircea_popescu trained is what happened to scheherazade. [00:16]
mircea_popescu no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die trying. [00:16]
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asciilifeform incidentally, the word 'trained' - i found - means something quite else to english speakers than for folks from the sov blok [00:17]
BingoBoingo if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest. [00:17]
asciilifeform in the latter, a тренер is the fellow who helps an athlete get.. more athletic. in english world, 'training' is done to dogs and cubicle dwellers [00:17]
decimation asciilifeform: what I find amusing is the common practice is us business to use the word 'training' when they mean 'education' [00:18]
asciilifeform that type of training is referred to as 'дрессировка' [00:18]
mircea_popescu i think this pejorative usage is novel, and not really all that standard yet. [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see, we always had separate words for these. [00:18]
mircea_popescu hence well trained pilots, and training ai and so on [00:18]
asciilifeform pilot will readily concede that much of what he knows is trained like a dog is trained [00:19]
mircea_popescu dressage has the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english [00:19]
asciilifeform likewise a good, e.g., sniper [00:19]
asciilifeform muscle memory. [00:19]
mircea_popescu because well, they don't get wtf french is. [00:19]
mircea_popescu much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where the fuck the control key is and how to make pretty letters on the screen. [00:19]
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mircea_popescu just, much and important don't map. [00:19]
asciilifeform damn straight! [00:19]
asciilifeform cerebellum has to know [00:19]
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asciilifeform and there's exactly one way to train it [00:20]
asciilifeform hence why ballerinas are trained precisely like circus seals [00:20]
mircea_popescu tell you what. [00:20]
mircea_popescu to the ignorant, there's little difference between circus seal being trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page. [00:20]
mircea_popescu same thing, for the exact reason you don't see much reading on tv. [00:20]
asciilifeform lol [00:21]
mircea_popescu the important parts aren't visible. [00:21]
mircea_popescu which is kind-of why people readily imagine training a woman to think with whip in hand and training a woman to dance whip in hand are the same thing. [00:21]
mircea_popescu they are not. [00:21]
mircea_popescu they may look similar, sure. [00:21]
mircea_popescu the difference is that the first's entirely negative (don't do this. don't do that. don't do the other. do something) while the latter's entirely positive. (do like this and like this and so on) [00:22]
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mircea_popescu as a result, there's nothing fucking scarier than the former known to man. [00:23]
asciilifeform training to think consists of pure 'don't do's? news to me. [00:23]
mircea_popescu what else ? first you gotta teach her to rule over her emotions, then gotta teach her the modes of logical failure of teh brain, on it goes. [00:23]
asciilifeform what of the folks who are their own seal -and- circus trainer? [00:24]
mircea_popescu what the fuck do you think intelligence is other than the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in the psychocrosstalk ? [00:24]
mircea_popescu nothing of them. they may develop myopia in time. [00:24]
asciilifeform teach self to control emotion. and to grasp, e.g., group theor [00:24]
asciilifeform y [00:24]
mircea_popescu one can train to build muscle by himself. one can also train to comprehend the torah by oneself. [00:25]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather than compound. [00:25]
mircea_popescu same reason braided rope is stronger than straight rope. [00:25]
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mircea_popescu anyway, thus understood, you will find that a woman trained to be intelligent, irrespective of iq, is quite to your liking, whereas one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable. [00:26]
mircea_popescu so... whole story really. [00:26]
mircea_popescu da fuck you care whether she can do heisenberg matrix calc in her head or not, really. [00:27]
asciilifeform calculate xxxx ? no. grasp maximally astonishing 'left field' concept without much preparation ? yes. [00:28]
asciilifeform and when you practice this, yes, gets stronger. this is training intelligence - sure. [00:28]
mircea_popescu so then. [00:29]
asciilifeform did establish that we're gnawing on the leather straps of english, i think. [00:29]
mircea_popescu guess so. [00:30]
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asciilifeform one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable << perhaps here speaking of taming, rather than training ? [00:33]
mircea_popescu i dunno. [00:34]
asciilifeform << mega-lol [00:35]
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mircea_popescu "I seem to be doing a lot of hyperproductive things lately: explaining to people how to kill the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing the way English literacy is taught to both native English speakers and the rest" [00:39]
mircea_popescu mkay, i'll pass. [00:39]
* asciilifeform thinks mr. o meant 'hyperactive' [00:40]
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mircea_popescu dude srsly, intelligent people want to go a direction ? [00:40]
mircea_popescu i guess we progressed past the classical philosophy of either rome or the east. a well. [00:41]
* asciilifeform struggles to make sense of the thing [00:41]
* mircea_popescu perseveres in his ahistoricity. [00:41]
mircea_popescu honestly, i dun see how it's even a kilo-lol. [00:41]
asciilifeform 'What this means in practice, for me at least, is that as soon as it starts looking like I am heading in the direction of acquiring a specific job title or job description, or getting involved in something that might require registration, certification or licensing, then I need to backtrack or head in a different direction for a bit, until everybody loses interest. In doing so I sometimes forgo some opportunities for an increa [00:41]
asciilifeform sed income, but that is the price of freedom.' [00:41]
asciilifeform ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ? [00:41]
mircea_popescu and speaking of which, given that intelligence is to be measured in tsyans, [00:41]
mircea_popescu what can be said of the average policeman ? [00:41]
asciilifeform (as they say in britain) 'a whole policeman!' [00:42]
mircea_popescu lol [00:42]
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mircea_popescu for our esl (english as a single language) friends : мили́ция = mili-tsya [00:43]
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[]bot Bet created: "BTC price at or over $777 before Sept 21st 2015" [00:53]
mircea_popescu why not august 7th lol [00:54]
mircea_popescu << romanian pseudo-tycoon (the sort of derps that live off govt spending in cvasi-socialist states), meanwhile convicted and eventually released from jail, started his own blog. [00:56]
assbot Sorin Ovidiu Vîntu – Blogul Oficial al lui Sorin Ovidiu Vîntu ... ( ) [00:56]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy. [00:56]
mircea_popescu say a picolulz' worth. [00:56]
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gernika mircea_popescu are you referring to logical fallacies by 'modes of logical failure'? Also, by learning to control your emtions, I assume you don't mean learning to meditate. [01:16]
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mircea_popescu ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ? << maybe he got made, and so now teh fsb is no longer interested in what was a marginal asset anyway ? [01:17]
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BingoBoingo OMG #b-a impoverished someone. [01:17]
mircea_popescu gernika not just, but sure. also, i don't care about form. if meditation works all the better. [01:17]
mircea_popescu if it doesn't work, all the redder. [01:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo tis happened afore. [01:18]
BingoBoingo I guess it has. [01:18]
gernika mircea_popescu ah so also cognitive biases. [01:20]
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asciilifeform [01:35]
assbot Dreary Idiocy - Imgur ... ( ) [01:35]
mircea_popescu lol is it yours ? [01:36]
asciilifeform aha. [01:36]
mircea_popescu yeah listen, why is this not a post on loper-os ? [01:36]
asciilifeform because why. [01:36]
mircea_popescu i mean, you just gave imgur some money. why ? [01:36]
asciilifeform it's garbage. [01:36]
mircea_popescu uh. [01:36]
decimation asciilifeform: is it fcc class b licensed_ [01:37]
mircea_popescu i'd rather read it on your platform than on some bezzlatron platform. is that so bad ? [01:37]
asciilifeform lol. i suppose my site can't get any more off topic than already is. [01:37]
mircea_popescu right ? [01:37]
mircea_popescu off-topic is an idiocy anyway. you're writing it, you're the topic, how the fuck could it be "off-topic" [01:38]
mircea_popescu fuck em. they don't get to say what the topic is. [01:38]
BingoBoingo Isn't off topic what's been sustaining it these last few years, and even off topic still makes a case for loper [01:38]
mircea_popescu they'd love to, of course, for the obvious reason. unsheathe that. [01:38]
decimation or is it class A(industrial?) [01:38]
asciilifeform decimation: i can't possibly guess [01:39]
decimation no manual? [01:39]
asciilifeform manual says 'class a' [01:40]
mircea_popescu it does kinda look like a sprinkler... [01:40]
asciilifeform one of these days i buy something that doesn't have to be vivisected to make it go. [01:40]
mircea_popescu a dog ? [01:42]
asciilifeform l0l [01:42]
* asciilifeform beginning to think that networking hardware that behaves sanely out of the box was banned, and no one told him [01:42]
decimation yeah there's no way it could pass class B without a shield or metal case [01:43]
asciilifeform metal case on wireless access gizmo? lol [01:43]
* BingoBoingo imagines if asciilifeform became diabetic he'd keep his own pig for the insulin. [01:43]
decimation sure, [01:43]
decimation only need to have antenna outside, and maybe only partially that [01:43]
asciilifeform funnily, i have a circa-1998 wireless router, that has precisely this form [01:44]
* BingoBoingo would probably keep his own insulin pig as well, can't judge [01:44]
asciilifeform (not in service because laughably small flash disk, not linuxifiable) [01:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you can't run it because bus speed right ? [01:44]
decimation asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket [01:44]
mircea_popescu decimation what's that ? [01:44]
decimation for fear that 'citizens' might make use of them in a way they see fit [01:44]
asciilifeform decimation: most of the consumer trashware have external antennae sockets, wtf [01:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket << What, like my laptop wifi card has?? [01:44]
decimation yes, but the fig leaf that covers this is that they are typically 'reverse threaded' from the standard socket [01:45]
asciilifeform even my local isp ships router with two screw-socket antennae [01:45]
BingoBoingo the internal mini-pci-e deal with the adorable micro-coax or whatever they call it [01:45]
decimation everyone can tell themselves that they couldn't possibly buy a reverse-thread sma connector [01:45]
mircea_popescu i unscrewed so many antennae off wired-only "wireless-capable" routers... [01:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you'll notice these in the photo [01:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Still only solves the antenna rather than sanity problem [01:46]
mircea_popescu decimation alternatively, you could hit it once with a hammer and make contacts directly eh [01:46]
decimation << "In addition to specialized interfaces which are relatively new to the coaxial market, such as DMX, MC Card, MHF, there are variations on standard RF connectors styles which satisfy FCC Part 15 and 802.11 requirements. The most popular method used to achieve compliance has been to create reverse polarity, or gender, versions of BNC, MCX, MMCX, N, SMA, SMB, SSMB and TNC [01:46]
decimation connectors. You will also find reverse, or left-handed thread versions of N, SMA and TNC connectors." [01:46]
assbot WiFi Interface Identifier ... ( ) [01:46]
decimation the FCC demands that you reverse thread the connector so you couldn't plug your 1 watt router into a 30 dB amplifier [01:47]
asciilifeform i mean, back to the story, all i had to do is reach across desk and grab a ttl serial octopus. but what are folks supposed to do who don't have one? [01:47]
mircea_popescu derp [01:47]
decimation asciilifeform: was there actually a serial console present or was it a bootloader? [01:47]
asciilifeform decimation: 'ebay' bursting with chinese amps [01:47]
mircea_popescu this is like the dumbest thing i ever heard lol. [01:47]
decimation asciilifeform: they throw in trash and burn more money [01:47]
mircea_popescu srsly, you can't plug it in because it's reverse threaded ?! [01:48]
decimation mircea_popescu: of course, one can buy such connectors [01:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he did say 'fig leaf' [01:48]
decimation but it 'satisfies' usg requirements to make it 'difficult' [01:48]
mircea_popescu so he did. [01:48]
decimation it would be nearly unbelievable if usg weren't involved [01:48]
mircea_popescu lol [01:48]
decimation there are many such capitulations to reality involved with usg 'regulation' [01:49]
mircea_popescu maybe this principle could be extended. [01:49]
asciilifeform ahahaha and the ethernet on this thing flickers in and out. [01:49]
mircea_popescu for instance : through a surgical intervention mandatory in schools for girls aged 12, they could reverse the asshole and vulvar opening. [01:49]
asciilifeform such quality! amazing company! [01:49]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:49]
mircea_popescu abstinence-only sex ed WIN! [01:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there was, iirc, a record of this very procedure being performed on a woman in (?) mexico [01:50]
decimation well, I'm certain that some organ of usg would claim victory under such conditions [01:50]
mircea_popescu what could possibily. [01:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was cancerous/amputated colon, if i recall, and this novel rerouting was tried. [01:51]
mircea_popescu well... colonostomy bags aren't any fun. [01:51]
* asciilifeform does not remember source of this tale, don't ask [01:51]
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decimation here's the exact usg 'regulation' << "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna [01:53]
assbot FCC Part 15 Radio Frequency Devices - RF Cafe ... ( ) [01:53]
decimation that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section." [01:53]
decimation this is literally the bread-and-butter of the usg regime [01:53]
mircea_popescu so silly. [01:53]
mircea_popescu basically, they made a ruling for a purpose. then industry lobbied on the basis of cost. [01:53]
mircea_popescu then they... mediated it. [01:53]
joecool hey mp, can you make assbot only use notices instead of msg? I know the ddos is a pain in the ass but if someone is unlikely to respond to notice, they are unlikely to respond to privmsg as well [01:53]
mircea_popescu average gender of resulting regulation ? "martian". [01:54]
mircea_popescu joecool i dun has anything to do with it, but kakobrekla might be able to help. [01:54]
asciilifeform collectors of small arms in usa have similarly entertaining stories about gotchas, thick tomes of peculiar rules, loopholes. [01:54]
decimation of course there is a small cottage industry selling reversed parts [01:54]
joecool mircea_popescu: sry, thought you maintained assbot... i'll bug kakobrekla when he's around [01:55]
mircea_popescu are the pms annoying ? [01:55]
joecool yes [01:55]
asciilifeform satan preserve us, i can hear that thing's cpu load through inductor whine from across a table. [01:56]
BingoBoingo Would be much better if included random kako jokes. kako jokes are the best [01:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform add shields :D [01:56]
decimation asciilifeform: how did get from 'working ttl serial port' to running bootrom? [01:56]
asciilifeform decimation: it was booting all along, but not usefully (no way to speak to it) [01:57]
decimation ah [01:57]
decimation asciilifeform: maybe you can do aes on it and try to use a microphone to do side-channel [01:57]
decimation that would be worthy of loper [01:57]
asciilifeform that would be worthy of first year undergrad. [01:57]
asciilifeform because - old news. [01:57]
decimation hehe [01:57]
asciilifeform it's - homework. [01:57]
mircea_popescu stop giving stan stuff to do. [01:58]
* asciilifeform is behind on his 'homework' as it is! [01:58]
joecool mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter too much though, i like this channel [01:58]
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-assbot- You voiced diatonic for another 30 minutes. [01:59]
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mircea_popescu what, is it like a festival ? [01:59]
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joecool luke should talk more, that's always entertaining [02:00]
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decimation xinxiwang: do you often encounter gerkas on patrol in sg? [02:01]
xinxiwang i don’t have a car here. [02:01]
decimation well, on the street? [02:01]
xinxiwang gerkas on patrol? [02:02]
xinxiwang what’s that? [02:02]
decimation the Nepalese police? [02:02]
kakobrekla yes it has to be annoying so people see it. now im off. [02:03]
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xinxiwang Nepalese? SG is in southeast asia. [02:03]
decimation [02:03]
assbot Gurkha Contingent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [02:03]
decimation I guess I take it by your questions that the answer is 'no' [02:04]
BingoBoingo !t n s.appl [02:04]
assbot I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs. [02:04]
xinxiwang uha, I even don’t know this. [02:04]
xinxiwang interesting [02:04]
decimation yeah they were brought in to break up the racial riots in the 60's [02:04]
decimation because both sides thought that the gurkhas were 1.) hardcore and 2.) neutral [02:04]
xinxiwang that’s funny [02:05]
xinxiwang they should bring people from china to do that. [02:05]
xinxiwang for ethnic homogeneity [02:05]
decimation aren't chinese a big part of the sg population now? [02:06]
xinxiwang 80% are chinese. [02:07]
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decimation << "It has been said that during the Falklands War, 400 miles east of Terra Del Fuego, or Cape Horn, South America in the Atlantic, after the Gurkhas landed, it was sufficient for the RAF to drop leaflets over enemy Argentine positions, merely saying that the Gurkhas have landed and are sharpening their Kukris, for the conscript Argentine army to flee for their lives." [02:08]
assbot How much do we know about Gurkha police in Singapore? - [02:08]
mircea_popescu [02:08]
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mircea_popescu hai preet & friends. [02:08]
xinxiwang given that the majority are chinese people. I don’t think people from other races can be neutral here. [02:11]
mircea_popescu how do you mean ? [02:11]
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decimation well, certainly turkic highland folk from the west are not to be trusted... [02:11]
xinxiwang they are still commanded by local people [02:12]
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BingoBoingo Guurkahs are pretty much the default neutral people, because... Nepal is poor and isolated. [02:12]
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mircea_popescu decimation yeah, the same thing;s been said in spanish about the english lol [02:13]
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decimation xinxiwang: do people in sg generally like the way the lee family have been running things? [02:14]
xinxiwang many don’t like. but since the family is doing quite well. people still accep that. [02:16]
xinxiwang people are appealing for democracy :-) [02:16]
decimation surely the 'mandate of heaven' still smiles upon singapore? [02:16]
mircea_popescu singapore democracy's gonna be a fun one to watch. [02:17]
decimation people in the us have democracy, it's not great. the people should be happy with the lee family [02:17]
xinxiwang i’ve no idea about that. maybe lky knows. [02:17]
mircea_popescu sorta like manhattan without brooklyn, let alone harlem or you know, ozarks. [02:17]
decimation malaysia is kinda like their ozarks I guess [02:18]
xinxiwang yeah, Thai tried western style of democracy but failed. [02:18]
xinxiwang Sg may fail to incorporate that kind of democracy as well. [02:18]
decimation the chinese have lived under strong men, emperors and bureaucrats for thousands of years. it would be better to go with a winning formula [02:19]
mircea_popescu better != easier. [02:20]
mircea_popescu stop impeding progress. [02:20]
xinxiwang who knows. if it’s the trend, nobody can stop it. [02:20]
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decimation is your point that it is easy to hand out one mili-slice of power to each sg citizen and leave it to them to ruin the place than to actually run it? [02:21]
mircea_popescu no, my point is that it's easier to give the police guns and then bitch when they shoot the wrong people than you know, hold a gun and pick and choose. and similarly... [02:21]
mircea_popescu why not have a democratic political class to hate and despise ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu buncha people you vote for just so you can expect things not of this world. [02:22]
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decimation yeah, I agree that's the effect. furthermore, those in real power use the process as cover for their own agendas [02:22]
mircea_popescu really ? lizzard hitler ? [02:23]
decimation nah [02:23]
mircea_popescu "those in power" dun actually exist. [02:23]
decimation they are not coordinated like that [02:23]
decimation more like the FCC makes rules, and the EPA makes rules, etc [02:23]
mircea_popescu you're roughly speaking of the "bubbles in power" in a bottle of beer. [02:23]
mircea_popescu you know, the ones that don't pop, for whose benefit the entire thing is made. [02:23]
mircea_popescu i never saw one. [02:23]
decimation heh [02:24]
mircea_popescu who ? [02:24]
decimation but each one has a tyrannical journey to the top [02:24]
mircea_popescu name a name. [02:24]
mircea_popescu who is the "people in power" in one of these systems ? who, in hollywood ? who, in washington ? [02:24]
decimation well, look at general alexander, for instance [02:24]
mircea_popescu ken rove ? that janet derp ? rice ? who ? [02:24]
mircea_popescu okay. [02:24]
decimation sure [02:25]
decimation each of them push their own little agendas [02:25]
mircea_popescu like all the other bubbles. [02:25]
decimation which generally consist of 'give us more money and more fiefdom' [02:25]
mircea_popescu not in power. [02:25]
decimation I guess it's power in the restricted sense that they are only allowed to act in one direction [02:25]
mircea_popescu there's one trend that unites all us presidents that i've ever seen. that trend is, that going in they look above average health for their age, [02:25]
decimation is a child powerful if she pulls a lever to demolish a building? [02:26]
mircea_popescu and going out they look in shockingly poor health for their age. [02:26]
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mircea_popescu the cause, outside of drugs, is that they don't get any sleep. [02:26]
mircea_popescu what "in power" is this where you can't fucking sleep ? [02:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform has apoint with the sleep. [02:26]
decimation that is a good point [02:26]
asciilifeform sleep is the measure. [02:26]
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decimation my impression is that they constantly awoken so they can be 'in the loop' on whatever derpish retardation is going on in the world [02:26]
asciilifeform because muppetry. [02:27]
* punkman slept 13 hours, refreshing [02:27]
asciilifeform pete thiel - sleeps. [02:27]
decimation the general response to which being 'do nothing' or 'let the underlings handle it' [02:27]
* asciilifeform didn't watch him sleep, but believes [02:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the examplke i was waiting for was the iranian, what's his name [02:27]
mircea_popescu omar ksomething [02:27]
mircea_popescu fucking ironic, i thought. [02:28]
asciilifeform kyahamm ? [02:28]
asciilifeform khayamm ? [02:28]
mircea_popescu nono, the press derp. [02:28]
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decimation louis xvi was 'in power' in the same way I guess [02:28]
mircea_popescu guy slept. on tits. [02:28]
mircea_popescu ;;google Pierre Morad Omidyar [02:29]
gribble Pierre Omidyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Pierre Omidyar - Biography - Philanthropist - ; Pierre Omidyar: The reclusive eBay founder will battle with The ...: [02:29]
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asciilifeform << what should i buy after i set fire to this ? [02:30]
assbot #6754 (Can crash wan port (eth1) with ping flood (Atheros AG71xx)) [02:30]
asciilifeform what a disgrace. [02:30]
mircea_popescu haha [02:31]
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asciilifeform 100 usd does not buy a functioning - or wrangleable - device. does 1000? 10,000 ? [02:31]
asciilifeform i bet - no. [02:31]
mircea_popescu nah. you're paying too much. [02:31]
mircea_popescu 25-30 bux. try that. [02:31]
asciilifeform 25 << have an urn full of these [02:31]
asciilifeform same issues [02:31]
mircea_popescu "Resolution set to fixed" [02:32]
mircea_popescu 4 years ago yo :D [02:32]
asciilifeform lol [02:32]
asciilifeform haha fixed, 'fixed' [02:32]
asciilifeform lend one of these fine gentlemen your car, and he'll glue the petrol gauge to 'full' [02:33]
asciilifeform easier than filling tank. cheaper. satisfying. [02:33]
decimation no asciilifeform, the real thing is you make a light that says 'pay money to dealer' [02:33]
asciilifeform [02:42]
assbot "(ag71xx): transmit queue 0 timed out" - Google zoeken ... ( ) [02:42]
asciilifeform ^ 1,120 results. [02:43]
asciilifeform i don't even know what is more enraging - the sc4mz0r manufacturer, or all the shitmonkeys who claim to have 'fixed' [02:43]
decimation asciilifeform: the popular thing to worry about these days in routers is 'buffer bloat' [02:43]
asciilifeform decimation: i don't run an isp, or a dc, don't care one whit for optimizations [02:45]
asciilifeform but want gizmo that fucking works as printed on the box [02:45]
asciilifeform 24/7/365 [02:45]
asciilifeform and, if dies, can go in the urn, replaced with same, in the worst case [02:45]
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asciilifeform i don't even grasp why a wireless to ethernet bridge needs to be a computer, with stateful memory and an os [02:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9105 @ 0.0012 = 10.926 BTC [+] {2} [02:50]
decimation asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why [02:51]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Things exist this way because danielpbarron is right and there is a vengeful old testament god. Jesus and mercy were a lie! [02:53]
decimation Jesus isn't a lie! [02:54]
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decimation !up taub [02:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why <<< [02:57]
mircea_popescu wanna talk about turds, talk about that. [02:57]
* asciilifeform knew. [02:57]
mircea_popescu just the successive "encryption solutions" they implemented is enough for humour in hell. [02:57]
decimation the end-to-end principle would suggest a minimal amount of protocol overhead is needed - let the application layer figure things out [02:58]
mircea_popescu and what, charge 20 bux for a thing that works ? [02:58]
decimation heh [02:59]
mircea_popescu why not charge 100 for a thing that doesn't work, so suckerlifeform can buy 20 ? [02:59]
asciilifeform 200 [02:59]
asciilifeform plus the kerosene. [02:59]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (100 * 200) / 20 [02:59]
gribble 1000 [02:59]
mircea_popescu JOBS CREATED [02:59]
mircea_popescu (in china. which then we bitch at for polution) [02:59]
mircea_popescu anyway. sleepytime. HEAR ME ROAR! [03:00]
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mircea_popescu burtreynoldsismyspiritguide1 ? mmmmmyeah [10:54]
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mircea_popescu burtreynoldsismyspiritguide1 ? mmmmmyeah [10:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo soo, chick findsa out that her "father" is infertile, gets fixated on it, tries to replace him, imagines this sort of pathology ius somehow universal or important for people generally. [10:57]
mircea_popescu why am i even reading this crap. [10:57]
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mircea_popescu it never ends either. jesus. [11:01]
mircea_popescu teach all the idiots how to read and write - get fifty billion pages about how important idiots are, aka the internet. [11:01]
mircea_popescu could do without. [11:01]
mircea_popescu i cnat spael. [11:06]
mircea_popescu decimation: eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy <<< yet for every 500 guys that went "o bitcoin i can not use it is too volatile" for 3 years going, you don't hear as many as .5 guys today "o, now i can use it" [11:07]
mircea_popescu instead it's "now it's not volatile so not interesting anymore, can't use". [11:08]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on? <<< mining moved away from the general public to "specialised experts". this always results in a drop of quality. [11:08]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: my more immediate concern is happening to s.mpoe << ya srsly. [11:10]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me <<< i don't recall an infosec expert of the webz that wasn't a sort of "assigned female at birth genderqueer individual". [11:11]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites <<< bwahaaha this IS a fucking point. and it goes on : microsoft leading the way for linux, on it goes. [11:12]
fluffypony yeah [11:12]
mircea_popescu davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin << virgins also feel a need to talk about the cock. [11:13]
mircea_popescu it's psychosomatic. [11:13]
fluffypony Hearn tried to debate the point with me on Reddit [11:13]
mircea_popescu hearn still talks in public ? [11:13]
fluffypony [11:13]
assbot fluffyponyza comments on becomes the second website (after Facebook) to have been issued an HTTPS certificate by DigiCert for their .onion address. ... ( ) [11:13]
fluffypony that's "infosec expert" -> me -> Hearnia -> me [11:14]
mircea_popescu aha [11:14]
mircea_popescu i liek nubbins` french. [11:15]
nubbins` ;D [11:15]
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mircea_popescu arrange meeting for today at 3 with kinda shaky individual, have secretary confirm it today. wake up, check, confirmation comes in the form of "in the immortal words of dude, yes, 1500. he'll wait you." [11:16]
mircea_popescu day slightly thus improved, we proceed to the waiting car! [11:17]
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rithm just make sure the miners have a ul sticker on them tho amirite [11:28]
nubbins` ^ [11:32]
nubbins` sticker guarantees [11:32]
thestringpuller nubbins` speaks french? [11:35]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i thought the immortal words of the dude were: the dude abides [11:40]
thestringpuller ;;google the dude abides [11:40]
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punkman [14:32]
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punkman infinite funbux [14:32]
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bagels7 i would just like to point out what a burden it would be to marry a crazy woman in today's politically correct world where the woman can do no wrong. [14:45]
bagels7 Feminism is the new fascism and it needs to be addressed before men are entirely pussified from birth [14:45]
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nubbins` bagels7 ah get out [15:13]
nubbins` ya fuckin wizard [15:13]
bagels7 get out of what [15:14]
nubbins` here [15:15]
bagels7 i must preach to the 144 corners of the internet [15:15]
nubbins` preach it to your next can of frosting [15:15]
bagels7 are you brittish are stupid [15:15]
bagels7 since when is wizard an insult [15:16]
nubbins` !down bagels7 [15:17]
nubbins` what's the use! [15:17]
mats_cd03 move somewhere reasonable, then [15:17]
mats_cd03 your part of the well isn't the only spot in town, you know [15:18]
nubbins` am i not allowed to down him becaause assbot hasn't refreshed the trust list? [15:18]
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bagels7 you have failed to give me a coherent response [15:19]
mats_cd03 ;;gettrust bagels7 assbot [15:19]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user bagels7 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014 [15:19]
nubbins` it's the other way [15:19]
nubbins` assbot bagels7 [15:20]
mats_cd03 da person to complain to. [15:20]
nubbins` kekekbrekla [15:20]
mats_cd03 just look at the graph [15:20]
nubbins` no, that's the wrong graph [15:20]
nubbins` he could just rate assbot if that were the case. [15:20]
nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot bagels7 [15:20]
mats_cd03 dpb << [15:20]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@unaffiliated/bagels7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014 [15:20]
nubbins` ^ [15:21]
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adlai bagels7: 144? you're off by a factor of 36. [15:23]
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bagels7 I always off by some factor [15:24]
TomServo [15:38]
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punkman "In 50 years, US trust in government dropped from 77% (1964) to 24% (2014)" << is that because everyone was high back then? [17:05]
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kakobrekla yet trust in god remains at what, 90? [17:07]
punkman ;;gettrust god [17:09]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user god: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [17:09]
ben_vulpes uh [17:10]
ben_vulpes that's a great wot handle [17:10]
ben_vulpes GET IT [17:10]
punkman "google @ 40,000 searches per second, 144m/hour, 3.456b/day, 1.2t/year" << lower than I imagined [17:11]
punkman at least 20k per second must be bots [17:11]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because not everyone can Tyrone. link came to you from lulzmines [17:18]
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punkman hah [18:25]
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undata punkman: ours is way better than that rubbish they grow [18:28]
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punkman yeah because mexicans ain't heard of indoor growing [18:29]
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mats_cd03 that's expensive [18:32]
punkman from undata's neighborhood [18:35]
assbot Portland [18:36]
undata that's about right [18:37]
undata needs more rain though [18:38]
BingoBoingo [18:39]
assbot Congress Man Proposes Bill (H.R. 5777 Full Text Attached) | ... ( ) [18:39]
undata BingoBoingo: that he's proposing something in the realm of sane is not surprising given that he's on the way out of congress :p [18:42]
BingoBoingo Well... on the outs... [18:43]
undata the guy might as well submit a bill to bring back the gold standard while he's at it [18:44]
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undata I've been doing some reading on systemd; I had no idea just how many services it ate [18:46]
undata among them cron?! [18:46]
BingoBoingo [18:47]
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BingoBoingo Yeah systemd eventually is supposed to eat the entire userland, so Pulse audio works better or something. [18:47]
undata haha [18:47]
undata I like the idea of declarative config, knowing dependencies and whatnot; upstart doesn't seem too onerous to me [18:49]
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BingoBoingo Also it the honorific "Congress Man" was indeed intended over the title "Congressman" [18:49]
BingoBoingo Openrc might be fine too [18:49]
undata that's what I'm using locally [18:49]
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undata I tried systemd and bizarre breakage occurred which I couldn't be bothered to debug [18:49]
undata it wouldn't mount /home for example [18:50]
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BingoBoingo I dunno why if init is the problem the solution also replaces console kit and everything else [18:52]
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undata and it kills the competition between for example various implementations of cron [18:52]
undata or network fiddlers or whatever [18:52]
BingoBoingo And don't boohoo about X "needing" root without sytemd, because has done that for some time [18:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35000 @ 0.00003895 = 1.3633 BTC [-] {7} [18:55]
mircea_popescu lol pulse audio still exists ?! [18:55]
mircea_popescu ndata> it wouldn't mount /home for example << prolly home didn't have the right pid. [18:55]
BingoBoingo Fuck you Slate [18:57]
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mircea_popescu lol [18:57]
mircea_popescu of course it was going to break the record. all "art" is going through roof. [18:58]
mircea_popescu random romanian first timer sold some painting for ~1.5mn [18:58]
undata "The sale also became symbolic of a quest for redemption after he became what he called an “unperson” in the scientific community seven years ago; he had told the The Sunday Times of London Magazine in an interview that he was pessimistic about Africa because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really.” [18:58]
undata ^ made to apologize [18:59]
undata uh... lol? [18:59]
undata I dated a black virologist for a time; her prescription for Africa was 30 years of quarantine [18:59]
* BingoBoingo wonders about all of the angry postgrads with no money wishing they could afford Watson's LSD [18:59]
undata same chick threatened me with airborne ebola once; I didn't bother to find out whether she was serious [19:00]
BingoBoingo << Bush daughter [19:09]
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mircea_popescu ;;rated thebroker [19:12]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate thebroker -1 aka Inept and unreliable smalltimer. [19:13]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thebroker has changed from 1 to -1. [19:13]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust moo-_- [19:14]
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-assbot- You voiced michiel_l for 30 minutes. [19:40]
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michiel_l mircea_popescu: thanks [19:42]
pete_dushenski "Kmart has become the second major retailer to pull controversial video game franchise Grand Theft Auto from its Australian stores... Target said on Wednesday it would stop selling the game in response to customer complaints sparked by an online petition posted by three women identifying themselves as victims of violence in the sex industry." [19:45]
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pete_dushenski no porn in uk, no games in aus [19:45]
pete_dushenski what's next, no ping pong in nz? [19:45]
undata they'll ban sheep-fucking [19:46]
pete_dushenski "no game with the world balls shall be permitted" [19:46]
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pete_dushenski *word [19:46]
undata I watched a documentary recently on the prevalence of suicide in some dreary UK town. I'm not surprised. [19:47]
mircea_popescu michiel_l sure. what winds bring you here ? [19:48]
undata looks like it's called "Death Town" [19:48]
mircea_popescu wait, someone still buys at target ?! [19:48]
undata it was among other things an interesting look at how people waste away under socialist nanny states [19:48]
mircea_popescu is this target trollbaiting in the hopes someone's going to like, go to their store ? [19:49]
pete_dushenski hey who knows, this stunt might actually work [19:51]
pete_dushenski people walk in just to see the bare shelves with their own eyes [19:51]
pete_dushenski then, while they're there, buy something they didn't need [19:52]
mircea_popescu ima totally gonna go to target to buy beached whales belabouring under the delusion that people laughing them out of bars = "victims of violence" [19:52]
mircea_popescu "in the sex industree" [19:52]
pete_dushenski dat ancient profession.. [19:53]
mircea_popescu hopefully i'll get a price per head, so i won't have to pay per pound. [19:53]
pete_dushenski pay per pound of bone [19:53]
pete_dushenski then see how "big boned" she really is [19:53]
mircea_popescu lol [19:54]
pete_dushenski target bought all the zellers stores in canada and has failed miserably to penetrate the market [19:54]
pete_dushenski there's really not much room in the market between walmart and the bay [19:55]
undata target... recently infamous for a massive theft of credit cards [19:56]
pete_dushenski idem home depot... usps too iirc [19:59]
mircea_popescu << check out derps saving the world. [20:01]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [20:02]
gribble Current Blocks: 332900 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1755 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36810432135.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.9911 [20:02]
pete_dushenski bouche-a-bouche! [20:02]
pete_dushenski if it weren't for "free willy" no one would bother with killer whales, too "mean" [20:03]
pete_dushenski on second glance, those might not be killers... [20:03]
undata mircea_popescu: maybe the poor fucks were trying to commit suicide [20:03]
undata how rude to deny them that [20:03]
mircea_popescu it's unclear what causes it [20:04]
mircea_popescu but the part where they put cozies on them is cute. [20:04]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i dun think killer whales ever beach [20:04]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Never forget Tillikum, the great freedom fighter. [20:04]
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pete_dushenski ;;google beached killer whale [20:05]
gribble Nine Killer Whales Die In Rare Mass Beaching in New Zealand | TIME: ; Why Did 9 Killer Whales Die in New Zealand? - TakePart: ; Cetacean stranding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message) [20:05]
pete_dushenski rare =! never ever ;) [20:06]
mircea_popescu a ? well i guess that's something i learned today then [20:06]
pete_dushenski whales love beaches [20:08]
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undata they're trying to re-evolve legs [20:08]
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cazalla pete_dushenski, no-one in the history of Australia has ever purchase vidya games from kmart [20:09]
cazalla and if they did, it was merely so they could take the game back for a refund after copying the cd key [20:10]
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mircea_popescu .l. [20:11]
mircea_popescu lol* [20:11]
BingoBoingo ,k, [20:12]
pete_dushenski kmart: funding drm scams since 1985 [20:12]
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pete_dushenski "To date, the developers have raised just over $65m from nearly 700,000 backers, which makes Star Citizen the largest crowdfunded project there has ever been by a huge margin. (The next largest, a publishing platform called Ethereum, has raised a comparatively paltry $18m.)" [20:17]
pete_dushenski $2,500 for a video game space ship... fuck me [20:18]
cazalla star citizen better deliver the goods [20:18]
undata it's all about No Man's Sky anyway [20:18]
pete_dushenski and calling buterin's scam a "publishing platform" is awfully generous [20:19]
pete_dushenski cazalla if gta5 can deliver, then surely something with a fraction of the drugs, violence, and sex industree can [20:21]
mircea_popescu lol [20:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00036115 = 7.223 BTC [-] [20:21]
pete_dushenski star citizen will prove, once and for all, that consumers really want good clean fun [20:21]
undata bah [20:22]
pete_dushenski undata is that a console game too? [20:22]
undata pete_dushenski: yeah, upcoming space sim with a generated universe [20:22]
undata looks incredible if it delivers [20:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00035894 = 5.0252 BTC [-] [20:22]
pete_dushenski neato [20:23]
undata Cloud Imperium does look pretty badass, if the videos are any indication of where it's headed [20:24]
undata there's something amusing in there about proles pouring enough money to build a real rocket into a toy, but.. [20:24]
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pete_dushenski real rockets don't provide as many hours of entertainment for as many proles [20:25]
pete_dushenski it's all about roi where "return" is in units of time mindlessly consumed [20:26]
undata "The humans then turned their attention inward, creating ever more realistic virtual worlds to live within. The comet hit in 2091." [20:26]
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cazalla pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher [20:28]
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pete_dushenski cazalla it'll happen [20:30]
undata cazalla: if you pay me $2.5k, I will imagine an incredible ship for you. [20:30]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher << it;'s called eve [20:31]
mircea_popescu 2-3k is about what a titan costs [20:31]
mircea_popescu boring as fuck, also. [20:31]
pete_dushenski so it exists, trilema guild and all [20:32]
pete_dushenski undata how incredible are we talking? like built-in-easy-bake-oven-incredible? [20:33]
mircea_popescu << for my curiosity, anyone know what this is ? [20:34]
assbot Mihai Margineanu - Tiganeasca - super tare melodia - YouTube ... ( ) [20:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, ya, i know of eve but who wants to fuck about with fiat to isk to bitcoin, y u nao use bitcoin itself already [20:35]
mircea_popescu actually you can go isk-bitcoin straight. [20:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00035894 = 2.8715 BTC [-] [20:36]
mircea_popescu for that matter, you can trade s.mpoe for isk [20:36]
pete_dushenski if only the dumper knew that before! [20:36]
cazalla mircea_popescu, is isk created in same fashion as wow gold? [20:38]
mircea_popescu pretty much [20:38]
pete_dushenski so i've decided to join the mechanical keyboard ranks [20:44]
mats_cd03 so hip [20:45]
pete_dushenski i ordered a model m and a unicomp to see how they stack up [20:45]
pete_dushenski tres chic [20:45]
mircea_popescu you people with your retro fashions will be the end of the fucking world [20:46]
mircea_popescu buncha terrorists [20:46]
mircea_popescu what's next, mechanical sex instead of virtual sex ? [20:46]
pete_dushenski lol [20:47]
pete_dushenski maybe mechanical bitcoin miners are on the horizon [20:47]
pete_dushenski they could be built to last for 1000s of years [20:48]
pete_dushenski and what is #b-a if not terrorist central? [20:50]
pete_dushenski speaking of nothing, my latest: [20:52]
assbot To A Redditard | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [20:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00035894 = 4.8457 BTC [-] [21:09]
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mircea_popescu << :D [21:17]
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cazalla anyone have a windows phone? [21:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3960 @ 0.00120942 = 4.7893 BTC [+] {4} [21:19]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu cute! that's pretty much what the non-migratory fauna look like here atm. twas -35C last week, though a blessed -10C today [21:25]
mircea_popescu lol [21:26]
mircea_popescu it's been 28 here. [21:26]
pete_dushenski eh i don't mind the crispness in the slightest [21:26]
pete_dushenski sharpens the mind [21:27]
mircea_popescu it surely sharpens the cock. [21:27]
pete_dushenski though i tend to spend >1 month per winter somewhere warm so it's easy for me to say :D [21:27]
pete_dushenski sharpens, shrivels, shrinks, shortens... [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00034255 = 19.5939 BTC [-] {3} [21:30]
[]bot Bet created: "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" [21:34]
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assbot Thinking Is An Expensive Occupation ... ( ) [22:02]
mircea_popescu "Perhaps he was handed the story by the CIA, as German journalist Udo Ulfkotte confesses he often was." [22:02]
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undata << oh dear such lols [22:11]
assbot The poor used to have the most opportunity in America. Now the rich do. - The Washington Post ... ( ) [22:11]
mircea_popescu this is true tho. numerically : the poor used to have 0.8 opportunity, and the rich 0.75 [22:12]
mircea_popescu now, the poor have 0.011 opportunity. the rich, 0.012 [22:13]
mircea_popescu thus therefore. [22:13]
undata "notice, I've created this graph." [22:14]
undata *audience nods vigorously* [22:14]
mircea_popescu "it is made of graphene" [22:14]
undata *breaks finger upvoting* [22:14]
asciilifeform 'send graphologist now!' [22:14]
asciilifeform the poor used to... the rich << sentence made of almost pure nothing - like aerogel. [22:16]
asciilifeform who is 'poor' here, who - 'rich', and what do the latter 'have' more of [22:16]
undata "And the 1990s, remember, were the good times for the middle class." [22:16]
asciilifeform (money? 'no shit, sherlock.' buying power? of what?) [22:16]
undata yes I'm sure it feels great when you're running up your credit cards with abandon [22:16]
undata feels not so great when you have to start paying them [22:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00033771 = 9.7429 BTC [-] {3} [22:17]
asciilifeform this bizarre fiction - i never understood. [22:18]
mircea_popescu they've got the opportunity to send their kids to college :D [22:18]
mike_c totally on topic: can someone tell me how to say "date of birth" in spanish/mexican [22:18]
asciilifeform what does it even mean to 'borrow' something from somebody with infinite supply of it (printing press) ? [22:19]
asciilifeform why not skip straight to chattel slavery - more honest, makes immediate sense to everybody. [22:19]
mircea_popescu mike_c fecha de nacimineto [22:19]
asciilifeform nacimiento ? [22:19]
mike_c thanks. that what google translate said but i didn't know if that was just robot talk. [22:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup [22:21]
undata +asciilifeform | why not skip straight to chattel slavery - more honest, makes immediate sense to everybody. << this is "why propaganda?" isn't it [22:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not sure if you've noticed, but the movement is AWAY from direct sense, towards meta. [22:25]
asciilifeform undata: let's put another way. if we're subsistence farmers, neighbours, i borrow your horse - then you ask for it back plus p% of harvest, and it makes a kind of hind brain sense because you were deprived of a horse for a spell, after all [22:25]
mircea_popescu that'd be why. [22:25]
asciilifeform undata: but let's say you have a martian contraption that craps out complete horses on demand, at no cost, at the push of a button [22:26]
undata asciilifeform: the metaphor needs the horses to get smaller the more of them there are :D [22:26]
asciilifeform then the idea of paying back begins to feel like pure rape [22:26]
asciilifeform smaller, yes. but this is not immediately apparent to the borrower. [22:26]
asciilifeform nor - often - the lender. [22:26]
mircea_popescu this'd work fine in practice for as long as the martian contraption owner didn't also have a cock [22:28]
asciilifeform thing is, the machine's very presence upon the good earth - is death. [22:28]
asciilifeform to everyone. [22:28]
asciilifeform but of course any particular owner will disagree. go try to tell him. [22:28]
mircea_popescu but a state with economic involvement and the custody of the currency is like... [22:28]
mircea_popescu well, yeah. [22:28]
asciilifeform comes the day when everyone is not only plowing with horses the size of chihuahuas, but paying dearly for the privilege [22:29]
asciilifeform (paying whom? 'king hunger', but there are always human faces and eventually bashed in) [22:30]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [22:31]
gribble Current Blocks: 332913 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1742 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36794661668.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.03052 [22:31]
undata it seems like in state-run economies, when they print money what they're actually manufacturing is ownership [22:32]
asciilifeform of what? [22:32]
undata then you can rent ownership from the state, but never have it yourself [22:32]
undata hence you receive "ownership" from the state but have to give it back more [22:32]
asciilifeform aha you can 'rent' something from a psychotic terrorist. [22:33]
asciilifeform until the voices in his head say 'ransom was too small' and he changes mind. [22:33]
undata sure, then he can either steal from you, or print more, which steals from you just the same [22:34]
undata asciilifeform: how bout ownership of power? [22:34]
mircea_popescu meta-ownership lol [22:35]
undata it seems fitting, the state in this case can issue power, but revoke it at will [22:35]
asciilifeform aha now we're not simply paying a psychotic terrorist not to kill us, but 'renting' something. legitimate commerce, aha. [22:35]
asciilifeform lol. [22:35]
asciilifeform all this 'meta' business - is for the birds. i prefer the concrete. [22:37]
asciilifeform like snot. [22:37]
* asciilifeform drowning in snot very conretely [22:37]
asciilifeform *concretely [22:37]
* asciilifeform very concretely rages in delirium [22:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46744 @ 0.00035476 = 16.5829 BTC [+] [22:38]
mircea_popescu lol [22:38]
mircea_popescu but if you look at it, pretty much all effort goes towards meta. [22:38]
undata well sure, I pay my landlord to rent this apt, he pays the bank for the building and the state for the dirt [22:39]
undata seems like the bank and the state both own some ownership [22:39]
asciilifeform undata: and the state pays thugs to practice killing you [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27006 @ 0.00035384 = 9.5558 BTC [-] [22:40]
mircea_popescu that's not even what i mean. [22:40]
mircea_popescu you're not "supposed to" beat your own kids. you're supposed to... "be better than that". and do it ? indirectly! ha! win. [22:40]
mircea_popescu ask some chick if she wants to get laid ? o but... not meta enough! [22:40]
mircea_popescu what's worse than being a farmer ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu what's more socially acceptable than playing the farmer on facebook ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu meta i tell you. [22:41]
mircea_popescu the only reason hipsters have moved on to bikes is that they're meta cars [22:41]
mircea_popescu (cars having been for a while meta-horses) [22:41]
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mircea_popescu what's all teh "ironic" trend if not, you know, "i'm meta-er than you ha!" [22:42]
undata ah when I hear meta I think metaprogramming [22:42]
asciilifeform metastases. [22:43]
mircea_popescu just, replace a thing with a label of the thing [22:43]
mircea_popescu then replace the label. [22:43]
mircea_popescu and then the replacement. [22:43]
undata ah I was just ranting earlier about how all american communication has been reduced to marketing [22:44]
undata reminds me of the Bill Hicks routine where he tells everyone in marketing in the audience to kill themselves [22:45]
asciilifeform what other kind of communication is possible between chumpatron operator and the feedstock ? [22:45]
undata [22:46]
assbot Bill Hicks on Marketing - YouTube ... ( ) [22:46]
asciilifeform granted, a particularly demented farmer might sing to the cattle for his own strange reasons, and no practical purpose [22:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the difference between us here is that you seem to include the margin. i say there's no margin included. [22:49]
mircea_popescu no farmer. [22:49]
mircea_popescu no lizzard hitler. merely a cognitive disease. [22:49]
undata "the recovery" << there's a good one [22:53]
undata it's the economic "jesus is coming back" [22:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11094 @ 0.00035612 = 3.9508 BTC [+] [22:54]
undata mircea_popescu: does the disease reduce to "can't tell the difference between imagined and perceived" [22:54]
undata and having said that, I can already see the problem with that framing [22:55]
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undata I can name delusional thinking much more easily than I can say to what coherent thinking might be anchored [22:56]
undata there's both a bootstrapping problem there as well as a finger-vs-moon thing [22:58]
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mats_cd03 [23:37]
assbot ... ( ) [23:37]
mats_cd03 'Crypto-CS-SETI Challenge' [23:38]
mircea_popescu [23:41]
assbot CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) ... ( ) [23:41]
mircea_popescu who are these fuckwits. [23:41]
mircea_popescu seriously, "certified bitcoin professional" ?! professional whats ? [23:41]
thestringpuller lol C4... [23:41]
thestringpuller does this mean they are going to go boom? [23:42]
mircea_popescu Mission Statement [23:42]
mircea_popescu The CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) establishes cryptocurrency standards that help ensure a balance of openness & privacy, security & usability, and trust & decentralization. [23:42]
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mircea_popescu Board of Directors [23:42]
mircea_popescu The following people work to set the direction of C4 and the standards against which cryptocurrency professionals are measured: [23:42]
mircea_popescu Vitalik Buterin [23:42]
thestringpuller !up Dr-G2 [23:42]
* assbot gives voice to Dr-G2 [23:42]
mircea_popescu dude holy shit already. how much derpage can this one dude sprout. [23:42]
* assbot gives voice to decimation [23:42]
decimation re: mechanical fetish << one thing I don't get are mechanical watches, they have poor accuracy [23:42]
mircea_popescu and of course diiorio and the rest of that scammer group. [23:42]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: I wonder if Buterin has an assistant who just helps him spout derpage. "Paid Derpage Roller", much like Snoop Dogg (Lion?)'s "Blunt Roller". [23:43]
decimation maybe the real bitcoin foundation can apply for a certification [23:43]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin tipping sees giant growth: ChangeTip exceeds 10,000 tips in bla bla. [23:44]
mircea_popescu srsly. [23:45]
mircea_popescu i dunno that there's something chilling me on bitcoin as much as all these idiots "driving adoption" in their idiotarian ways. [23:45]
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mircea_popescu you may call me a codger, but im not the only one. [23:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94352 @ 0.00034888 = 32.9175 BTC [+] {2} [23:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> i dunno that there's something chilling me on bitcoin as much as all these idiots "driving adoption" in their idiotarian ways. << OMG SELL [23:47]
mircea_popescu SEAL! [23:47]
decimation yeah the vocal derp ratio is pretty high [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00033714 = 8.1756 BTC [-] {2} [23:48]
Usage: QUERY [-nofocus] , opens up a new privmsg window to someone [23:48]
BingoBoingo Ah, yeah I meant seal. SEAL ALL THE CLUBS!!! [23:48]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, [23:48]
mircea_popescu ;;google bdsm buenos aires [23:49]
gribble Buenos Aires BDSM : La Casona del Sado, aka Faker House - Trilema: ; BDSM. - Buenos Aires | Facebook: ; Trumpling & FemDom - DOMINA MAXIMA -Buenos Aires- Argentina ...: [23:49]
mircea_popescu the shit trilema dominates... [23:49]
mircea_popescu facebook, youtube, you name it. [23:49]
thestringpuller ;;google gpg contract [23:49]
gribble GPG Contracts – Adler Vermillion, LLP: ; GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Received by NSD/FARA Registration Unit 10/18/2013 1:35:25 PM: [23:49]
thestringpuller that top one ripped off your article and stole your spot [23:50]
mircea_popescu lol no ?! [23:52]
mircea_popescu isn't this the guy that's active on like twitter and stuff ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu ya it's him [23:53]
assbot The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:53]
mircea_popescu << wtf is this anyway ? [23:56]
assbot Bitcoin Police Irc | Serwer Bitcoin ... ( ) [23:56]
mircea_popescu especially the Warning: file_get_contents( part lol [23:57]
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decimation interesting << von nothaus was sentenced to 6 months house arrest [23:59]
assbot Liberty Dollar Founder von Nothaus Sentenced to House Arrest for Counterfeiting - Tristatehomepage - Eyewitness News ... ( ) [23:59]
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