Forum logs for 05 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu <<< shit an' go! [00:01]
mircea_popescu sentenced to HO ? [00:01]
decimation I guess usg is tacitly admitting it had no case and is frightened of an appeal [00:02]
decimation either that or the guy flipped on someone [00:02]
mircea_popescu dude check it out, #bitcoin00/#bitcoin01 empty! [00:03]
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mircea_popescu (lfnet) [00:08]
assbot laszlo | ... ( ) [00:08]
BingoBoingo [00:12]
assbot Von NotHaus Gets House Arrest | ... ( ) [00:12]
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undata << more language destruction [00:13]
assbot Pentagon fears blowback from ‘humane’ Guantánamo video release | The Miami Herald ... ( ) [00:13]
mircea_popescu “While the videos at issue in this litigation do not in my opinion depict any improper treatment of the detainees, but rather the lawful, humane and appropriate interaction between guards and detainees,” wrote U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Sinclair Harris, “persons and entities hostile to the United States and its detention of enemy belligerents at Guantánamo Bay are likely to think otherwise.” [00:15]
mircea_popescu dude freedom changed to democracy. [00:16]
undata liberation from hunger [00:17]
undata I should learn latin just so I have something to think in when they're done turning english into shit [00:17]
mircea_popescu or romanian. it has better curses. [00:19]
decimation romanians taught latin to socrates [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00033633 = 9.6863 BTC [-] {2} [00:19]
mircea_popescu lol [00:20]
BingoBoingo [00:20]
assbot Von NotHaus Sentenced to House Arrest - Slashdot ... ( ) [00:20]
BingoBoingo ^ Anyone with /. account pls vote up. Will thank with absolution of sin. [00:21]
decimation dirty papists [00:22]
mircea_popescu << idiotic reform proposals, as old as bitcoin [00:23]
assbot Hash/sec Throttling for Democracy | ... ( ) [00:23]
undata Therefore, why not cap the number of hashes per second? If the operations were capped at say, 250khash/sec based upon system clock and not the available number of cycles, then anyone with the "minimum requirements" could participate << cap the standards of your wife so everyone can participate [00:25]
mircea_popescu and since im doing history, [00:25]
assbot Bastard Operator From Hell Official Archive ... ( ) [00:25]
decimation "we would gladly destroy the rich man's nice things just so we call all have poor hovels" [00:26]
undata seems like a drive related to being suicidal [00:28]
mircea_popescu actually i think it's related to forcing whiny nerds to defend their fucking civ1 cities, [00:30]
mircea_popescu which otherwise they fucking never do. [00:30]
BingoBoingo [00:30]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [00:30]
decimation I never bother to invest in military units until I have good tech [00:31]
decimation but I can be easily owned by aggressive barbarians [00:31]
mircea_popescu lol [00:32]
mircea_popescu this is so uniquely peculiar to you i swear... [00:32]
decimation this strategy works better in civ 5 where your cities can magically defend themselves [00:32]
undata sprint to nukes, destroy earth, rule over the radioactive wasteland. [00:33]
mircea_popescu i only played civ 1, but nukes were a splendid tool to destory ships [00:33]
mircea_popescu no sea pollution, magically. [00:33]
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BingoBoingo i only played civ 1, but nukes were a splendid tool to destory ships << This, in civ2 I loaded aircraft carriers with nuclear missiles [00:37]
BingoBoingo However many nukes +1 fighter jet for defense [00:38]
BingoBoingo I always tried to keep my territory under my flag small, clean, and well developed while oppressing the rest of the world [00:39]
decimation civ5 with nuke subs is fun [00:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3568 @ 0.00035585 = 1.2697 BTC [+] [00:44]
* BingoBoingo remembers being a Junior in college and contemplating buying a giant pile of Liberty Dollars. Then I go BTC to silver around $100/BTC, Should have got those liberty dollars and went the other direction. [00:46]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [00:58]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 368.01, Best ask: 368.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 368.11, 24 hour volume: 12473.27401807, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.99, 24 hour vwap: 368.463672328 [00:58]
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BingoBoingo Why not just fucking use Free or Dragonfly? Ah startup money! [01:12]
assbot Roadmap · bitrig/bitrig Wiki · GitHub ... ( ) [01:12]
assbot Bitrig 1.0 Released – OpenBSD fork | Hacker News ... ( ) [01:12]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the top comment really belongs in the record here [01:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you never know when the yc shitgnomes will zap it [01:18]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I mean the fork they want already exists in Google's "android", a linux built with the OpenBSD libc [01:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: their purpose was to destroy the original [01:20]
asciilifeform like termites. [01:20]
asciilifeform poetterings. [01:20]
asciilifeform There was a discussion about this on the OpenBSD misc mailing archives back in 2012: Theo's initial response to the thread, which may help illuminate the situation, was: "Except for the fact that it is bullshit. They started the fork because they got kicked out because one developer (Marco) hired 5 other developers for his startup company, and attempted to hire around 10 other deve [01:20]
asciilifeform lopers in a sneaky and underhanded way. They were told, oh i forget they were "asked", to not tell anyone else in OpenBSD that this was happening, probably because people "including Theo" would be upset. Funny thing is, I've never been upset about the 20+ OpenBSD and ex-OpenBSD developers who now work for google. Previously, many of those developers were in critical positions in the development team. As they were suddenly hire [01:20]
asciilifeform d with such terms and conditions, they became more scarce in OpenBSD --perhaps because they suddenly got real busy with work, but also to avoid telling others that this was happening. Various projects lagged. To avoid telling a lie, they instead chose to not tell the truth. It had effects. It was dishonest of them to not tell their co-developers that they were creating vacuums in the development process. So because of those de [01:20]
assbot 'OpenBSD forked' thread - MARC ... ( ) [01:20]
asciilifeform cisions, they are now gone from OpenBSD. And now they miss it. So now, all these guys who work for the same company have started a fork. And it is directed by the guy who hired them in the first place. From where I stand, that is the truth. Yet none of that is in that article, because the truth hurts, doesn't it guys?" [01:21]
asciilifeform there. [01:21]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [01:21]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [01:21]
asciilifeform notice that the perps ring all the typical 'leper's bells' of poetteringism. [01:21]
asciilifeform emphasis on 'modernity', etc. [01:21]
asciilifeform a willingness (and some basic ability) to play 'mean girls' [01:22]
BingoBoingo Right, and they want to kill big kernel lock, upon which I dunno you can build security. [01:23]
asciilifeform the thing that shitgnomes fear most is - sunlight. [01:23]
asciilifeform recall mr spamgun ? [01:23]
BingoBoingo At least in C [01:23]
asciilifeform his maniacal insistence on 'confidentiality' with every new would-be chump. [01:23]
BingoBoingo Mr. skip wires, Wi-fi cardano? [01:23]
asciilifeform him. [01:23]
BingoBoingo Ah, Mr. Flappy Plane [01:23]
* asciilifeform missed that one, but doesn't give a fuck [01:24]
asciilifeform while we're on the subject, [01:24]
BingoBoingo According to him flappy plane is a total mischaracterization of his vision [01:24]
asciilifeform i doubt that the openbsd devs were so direly impoverished that they agreed to serve enemy, knowing what he was [01:25]
asciilifeform they almost certainly laboured under an illusion of one kind or another. [01:25]
BingoBoingo I think the entire point of the OpenBSD financial crisis was an allergy to strings [01:25]
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asciilifeform the purpose of throwing sunlight down upon these creatures of the abyss, is - aside from flondoring - to warn the next set. [01:26]
BingoBoingo I dunno that there's a better reason at all. [01:26]
BingoBoingo Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight [01:27]
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BingoBoingo !up gsdgdfs [01:29]
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decimation the only feature on the list of improvements that I find remotely appealing is the fdisk tool [01:32]
decimation openbsd disk partitioning is kinda annoying [01:32]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Well Hammer2fs might happen before 5.9 or 6.0... [01:33]
BingoBoingo But seriously OpenBSD disk partitioning is MUCH better than Solaris 9 and 10 [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48535 @ 0.00036034 = 17.4891 BTC [+] {4} [01:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73517 @ 0.00037288 = 27.413 BTC [+] {3} [01:35]
decimation heh well that's true [01:36]
decimation LVM is annoying to configure but it is highly flexible [01:37]
mod6 it's just old school, thats all. [01:37]
BingoBoingo Cylinders and shit aren't that hard [01:37]
decimation well, the whole thing is going to be shot in the head when high speed non-volatile memory is common [01:38]
decimation [01:39]
assbot Logged on 03-12-2014 00:37:16; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because the whole disk-ram dichotomy is predicated on volatile ram. [01:39]
BingoBoingo So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge? [01:40]
decimation lol [01:40]
BingoBoingo Super serious here [01:40]
BingoBoingo Big firm in Chicago so I want to ad a Chicago sucks surcharge [01:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00037567 = 18.0322 BTC [+] [01:44]
decimation my company sells my time at $210 per hour, but that's bezzle rates with bezzle qualifications [01:44]
BingoBoingo Seriously though, what does an expert witness make? [01:44]
decimation well, it's a supply and demand thing right? [01:44]
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BingoBoingo I'm fine quoting a price in bezzel dollars [01:44]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [01:44]
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Vexual bout 180 should slot you in politely between the photocopier kid and the big boys [01:45]
decimation lol << "Since 2006, police in Winthrop Harbor, Ill., a village of 6,700 along the shore of Lake Michigan, has received 10 helicopters, one mine-resistant armored vehicle and two Humvees, and other equipment, worth more than $6.5 million." [01:49]
assbot The Pentagon Finally Details its Weapons-for-Cops Giveaway | Muckrock ... ( ) [01:49]
decimation maintenance on those helicopters alone would run easily a couple mil per year. this must be some kind of laundry [01:50]
assbot dgeats +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [01:51]
BingoBoingo !up dgeats [01:51]
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BingoBoingo hello dgeats [01:52]
dgeats just make it an even 1 BTC [01:52]
BingoBoingo The hassel of going to Chicago is expensive [01:53]
Vexual plus expenses [01:53]
decimation yeah duh [01:53]
ben_vulpes ;;bc,stats [01:55]
gribble Current Blocks: 332932 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1723 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36758772733.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.12023 [01:55]
ben_vulpes master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000 [01:55]
asciilifeform maintenance on those helicopters alone would run easily a couple mil per year << lol maintenance. they get brand new ones. [01:55]
ben_vulpes a full 100k+ blocks behind [01:55]
ben_vulpes a wait oom error [01:55]
decimation asciilifeform: brand new helicopters require maintenance too [01:55]
asciilifeform as the police choppermeister where i live cheerfully admitted during a public show&tell. [01:55]
decimation plus I thought they were getting busted down old war birds [01:56]
asciilifeform decimation: nah, replacement works fine. [01:56]
asciilifeform ad infinitum. [01:56]
decimation heh [01:56]
decimation 10 helicopters = 1 flying? [01:56]
asciilifeform they aren't getting 'apache', no. [01:56]
asciilifeform small general-purpose choppers with thermovisors. [01:56]
decimation 'little bird' [01:56]
decimation [01:57]
assbot MD Helicopters MH-6 Little Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [01:57]
asciilifeform police choppers don't shoot. (why would they need to ?) [01:58]
decimation demilitarized of course [01:58]
decimation probably not little birds though, probably something more like UH-1 [01:59]
asciilifeform actually what i saw (forgot precisely what brand!) was a tiny thing with a jet engine. big enough for two men and a bulbous camera, and two hours of jp-4. [02:00]
decimation yeah, that's like the little bird [02:00]
decimation I think if I were to buy an aircraft I would get a turboprop or small jet [02:01]
decimation due to ubiquity of jp-4 [02:01]
decimation asciilifeform: one wonders how much longer usg can afford choppermeisters when drones are obviously better and cheaper [02:04]
decimation except in actually moving cargo & humans [02:04]
asciilifeform when they stop bothering to make arrests. [02:04]
asciilifeform policeman - arrests. drone - aha, sure. [02:04]
ben_vulpes "tase and loiter" [02:05]
ben_vulpes "if necessary - tase again" [02:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.098 = 4.116 BTC [-] [02:05]
Vexual they'd be good at atms [02:05]
ben_vulpes repeat until scoopbot arrives for inert meatsack. [02:05]
decimation asciilifeform: my impression upon listening to police helicopter chatter is tha a majority of the calls for a helicopter come when either a kid wonders off or some perp tries to run from the po-lice [02:06]
decimation both of those missions could easily be performed by drone [02:06]
asciilifeform don't forget the traffic jobs. [02:06]
decimation eh, my impression is that they don't enforce traffic from the air much [02:06]
decimation or if they do, it's usually in cooperation with cops on the ground [02:07]
asciilifeform everything with cops on the ground [02:07]
decimation maryland is famous for having speed traps where a whole gang of cops wait - bravely stepping into the roadway and flagging speeders [02:07]
decimation the gang can absorb many at a time [02:07]
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asciilifeform at any rate, once there are sufficiently many surplus rotating wing drones, they will be written off and handed to city police depts [02:08]
asciilifeform (fixed-wing drones aren't particularly useful in a city) [02:08]
decimation why not [02:08]
asciilifeform can't loiter [02:09]
decimation if the camera has automatic gimble, it hardly matters if the craft is stationary [02:09]
decimation gimbal [02:09]
decimation fixed-wing aircraft are much more fuel efficient [02:09]
asciilifeform chopper can sit down on a roof and film. [02:10]
asciilifeform efficient. [02:10]
decimation heh true [02:10]
ben_vulpes i was noodling on a fully-actuated flying wing last night. [02:10]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Tase is part of why the UNHCR is shitting on USG atm [02:10]
ben_vulpes 2 turbines perpendicular to long axis, with piping adequate to vector the thing around any of its axes. [02:11]
decimation ben_vulpes: was this a remote-control aircraft? [02:11]
ben_vulpes adequate, but also wicked performance gained by virtue of being able to control angle of attack. [02:11]
ben_vulpes decimation: it'd have to have the controller onboard. [02:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?' [02:12]
ben_vulpes probably flight planner too. [02:12]
decimation kinda like the 'osprey' [02:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: indignant (spontaneously or compensated, either) foreigners asked, 'why didn't you tase them, use tear gas' [02:13]
Vexual asciilifeform: is it beacuse they didn't have swarms of irritant devlivery drones? [02:13]
decimation with enough raw thrust, aerodynamics don't matter, can dance your vectoring fighter jet tango-style [02:13]
BingoBoingo lol [02:13]
asciilifeform china answered: 'we aren't a d3m0cr4cy111!11, we don't stockpile instruments of crowd control, we're a poor country and prioritize useful things' [02:13]
decimation lol [02:14]
Vexual fair answer, they weren't expecting it [02:14]
ben_vulpes decimation: still gotta get from point a to b - i'd like to see a thing that eschewed flaps for ducted turbine exhaust. [02:14]
decimation ben_vulpes: well, personal jet packs are fun, but not exactly fuel efficient [02:14]
asciilifeform << see also thread. [02:15]
assbot Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:38; asciilifeform: for instance, they see their country as having 'sat for the same exam' as the ussr, and passed, while the latter flunked. [02:15]
ben_vulpes decimation: that's why i've always advocated going straight up with jets and then drifting sideways for as long as possible [02:15]
ben_vulpes decimation: imagine a really high aspect ratio diamond [02:15]
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decimation that's an interesting idea [02:15]
decimation well, ultimately you could build a rocket that propels you to the high altitude winds of the stratosphere and unfolds massive delicate wings [02:16]
ben_vulpes two turbines aligned perpendicular to the long axis, with vent outputs from the turbines outputs all the way out at the tips of the diamond. [02:16]
ben_vulpes that way you have full control over pitch, roll, yaw [02:16]
ben_vulpes plus your main thrusters for "oomph" [02:16]
ben_vulpes with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly. [02:16]
decimation isn't that kinda what the f-117 does [02:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: answer then (i haven't any idea) - why is 'vtol' uncommon today ? [02:17]
decimation my understanding is that it wastes alot of fuel [02:17]
ben_vulpes decimation: not a "thrust reverser": flip the whole beast around its long axis [02:18]
ben_vulpes thrust is now reversed [02:18]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: vtol requires ducting thrust orthogonally to operating thrust vector [02:18]
decimation ben_vulpes: would the diamond shape generate much lift? [02:18]
ben_vulpes wasteful [02:18]
ben_vulpes decimation: "diamond" << wave hands [02:18]
decimation 'osprey' is attempt to fix that [02:18]
ben_vulpes you can have a symmetric wing [02:18]
ben_vulpes so long as it has ducted thrust at the tips of both the long axis and short axis, you can arbitrarily dictate its angle of attack. [02:19]
decimation yeah I kinda see what you are getting at [02:19]
ben_vulpes (almost needless to say that the vectoring needs to go in both directions) [02:19]
ben_vulpes no gimbals [02:19]
ben_vulpes nothing but exhaust valves and delta-f control systems. [02:20]
decimation no but the thrust control would be complicated [02:20]
ben_vulpes what part? [02:20]
BingoBoingo Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates. [02:20]
asciilifeform [02:20]
assbot Products :: V Bat | MLB Company - Complete Solutions for UAS Systems ... ( ) [02:20]
asciilifeform ^ peculiar flying toy [02:20]
decimation so how are you going to stabilize your flying wing? [02:21]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's the only kinda vtol that'll work [02:21]
ben_vulpes decimation: active stabilization. [02:21]
decimation asciilifeform: that's neat, would be useful to have stowed in your submarine [02:21]
decimation right, active stabilization implies fast computers (fairly easy) with lots of fast reacting thrust valves right? [02:22]
mats_cd03 BingoBoingo: what was your asking rate [02:23]
decimation asciilifeform: note, there's not any external gimbaled camera [02:24]
BingoBoingo mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel. [02:24]
mats_cd03 lol [02:24]
BingoBoingo I think that's cheap [02:24]
decimation other than the retainer that's pretty much in line for a qualified professional [02:24]
ben_vulpes decimation: bang bang pneumatic valves aren't terribly hard to put together. [02:25]
ben_vulpes pwm control. [02:25]
BingoBoingo retainer is essential. [02:25]
BingoBoingo Because qualified professional [02:25]
decimation ben_vulpes: it is a neat concept. It would probably make a neat little drone too [02:25]
BingoBoingo If I'm an expert I ought to be making more than the lawyers when I read and talk. [02:26]
ben_vulpes decimation: it's a wartime project. [02:26]
BingoBoingo And per diem is essential too, because if I'm going to chicago I'm not staying in a fucking Motel 8. I'm staying in the Sheraton, as a professional. [02:26]
ben_vulpes artists and armsmiths both need patrons. [02:27]
decimation but then again, it's not like flying wings are unknown to aircraft designers. I wonder why they aren't more popular [02:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: there. <<< heh. [02:27]
asciilifeform << flying arse [02:28]
assbot ... ( ) [02:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform:they almost certainly laboured under an illusion of one kind or another. << that illusion is "money" [02:28]
mircea_popescu the sort you can't do anything with but that's ok. [02:28]
mircea_popescu lol @smegma coleopterae. [02:29]
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asciilifeform that was my first thought too! [02:29]
asciilifeform when first saw. [02:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight << actually vampires are your friends. [02:30]
mircea_popescu ideally, your girlfriends. [02:30]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [02:30]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [02:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge? << go for 40. too low you won't seem that expert. too high they'll just get antonoderp. [02:31]
BingoBoingo 125 seems the minimum for non-medical with self respect [02:32]
decimation asciilifeform: the post-wwii era was full of weird vtol designs [02:32]
assbot Convair XFY-1 Pogo | National Air and Space Museum ... ( ) [02:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you looking at seak thing ? [02:32]
asciilifeform decimation: 'avrocar' [02:32]
asciilifeform best airplane. [02:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: looked at it [02:32]
mircea_popescu Expert Witness Fees for Trial, File Review and Depositions [02:33]
mircea_popescu On average, experts charge significantly more for their time while testifying at trial and deposition than their time while conducting file reviews and preparing. The average hourly fee for all experts was $385 for in-court testimony, $353 for depositions and $254 for file reviews and preparation. The average hourly fee for trial testimony is 52% higher than the average hourly fee for file reviews and preparation. [02:33]
mircea_popescu this, in 2004 o.o [02:33]
mircea_popescu nuts the bezzle world. [02:33]
BingoBoingo Indeed [02:33]
decimation heh a flying roomba [02:34]
asciilifeform !s coanda effect [02:34]
assbot 0 results for 'coanda effect' : [02:34]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so 140 then [02:35]
decimation asciilifeform: the soviets had a line of 'ground effect' aircraft if I recall [02:35]
asciilifeform hovercraft. [02:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If they ask again. [02:35]
BingoBoingo I'll still have to insist on minimum hours/retainer/compensation from suffering the cold north of Chicago [02:36]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: << pauper edition [02:37]
assbot UMX Hyper Taxi BNF with AS3X Technology | HorizonHobby ... ( ) [02:37]
decimation asciilifeform: no, jets the fly just a few feet above the ground - ekranoplan [02:37]
assbot Lun-class ekranoplan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [02:37]
asciilifeform aha it [02:38]
asciilifeform normally english folks call them hovercraft also. [02:38]
ben_vulpes "ground effect" << also [02:38]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000 << bitcoin ovopository ? [02:38]
asciilifeform lol! [02:38]
asciilifeform if bitcoin ovipositor, where is proboscis ? [02:38]
mircea_popescu isn't jp-4 the thing that gets a lot of static if it flows ? [02:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00036609 = 17.0964 BTC [-] {2} [02:41]
asciilifeform jp-4 << 1/2 kerosene/gasoline iirc [02:41]
decimation << "JP-4 was a non-conductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge could cause a fire. Beginning in the the mid-1980s an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the [02:42]
decimation equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded." [02:42]
assbot JP-4 (fuel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [02:42]
decimation interesting I didn't know that [02:42]
asciilifeform nonpolar hydrocarbons tend to conduct poorly, news at 11 [02:42]
mircea_popescu oft depicted in media, this problem [02:43]
mircea_popescu anyway. i thought it was phased out. [02:43]
decimation it was apparently in favor of jp-8 [02:43]
decimation or 'jet-a' in the civilian world [02:43]
decimation at any rate, I was distinguishing jet fuel from '100LL' commonly used in small piston engines [02:45]
decimation LL = "low lead" [02:46]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly. <<< someone's fascinated with dragonflies. [02:47]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates. << how much did you post ? [02:48]
mircea_popescu heh. you overdid it. [02:48]
mircea_popescu nothing says pro quite like low rates in that biz. [02:49]
BingoBoingo [02:49]
assbot Logged on 05-12-2014 05:21:20; BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel. [02:49]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "dragonflies" << well who doesn't love excellent cruising performance *and* agility?! [02:49]
mircea_popescu you know the dragonfly is 90% eye right ? [02:49]
decimation natures drone! [02:50]
mircea_popescu totally. [02:50]
ben_vulpes [02:51]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: dragonfly << consider waveguide motor. precisely the missing ingredient for practical ornithopter with fully-articulated wings. [02:51]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: your cable flexer? [02:51]
asciilifeform aha. [02:51]
asciilifeform no need for joints, lubrication... [02:52]
decimation asciilifeform: it would be interesting to see how much heat is lost in the cable flex movement [02:52]
ben_vulpes 0.5.3 is luke_jr's fault [02:52]
mod6 :D [02:52]
ben_vulpes 0.5.3 *wedge* is luke_jr's fault [02:52]
asciilifeform one day someone who gives a shit can reinvent it. [02:52]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes whassat paste ? [02:52]
decimation ben_vulpes: so you fixed it? [02:52]
asciilifeform anyone verify that 0.5.3 unwedges if magic constant is changed ? [02:52]
asciilifeform last i recall, it was only kako's experiment with 0.7 [02:53]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: can't really see anything like that working anywhere near the speed of sound. [02:53]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i've an 0.5.3 that's happily chugging along with the new db config vals. [02:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: speed of sound - no. synthetic bird, insect - sure. [02:53]
asciilifeform happily chugging with or without manually masturbated along the way? [02:53]
mircea_popescu heh. [02:53]
ben_vulpes the BDB docs themselves say to experiment with the lock number until it works [02:53]
decimation lol [02:53]
asciilifeform not one reset ? [02:53]
ben_vulpes i've not rebooted it. [02:54]
asciilifeform did not exhaust memory either ? [02:54]
asciilifeform suspicious that leak would be predicated entirely on this [02:54]
decimation [02:55]
assbot Berkeley DB Reference Guide: Configuring locking: sizing the system ... ( ) [02:55]
ben_vulpes i stopped it at 251442 to snapshot the db, and again at 260*** (something) to provide resources to transfer the blockchain bzip elsewhere [02:55]
mats_cd03 [02:55]
assbot Ratmap ... ( ) [02:56]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'll let you know if it exhausts memory. [02:56]
ben_vulpes that said if it does - oh well. [02:56]
ben_vulpes there are worse things in the world than restarting the thing occasionally while work proceeds. [02:56]
mod6 well, aside from that, i think the goal is still to rip out BDB eventually anyway. [02:57]
mod6 first, we just wanted to bypass the wedge block so we can catch up to the main chain. [02:57]
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ben_vulpes an 0.5.3 that needs a kick in the ass a few times a day but can still catch up to chainhead trumps a power ranger hardfork with no published and serenissima-signed alternative. [02:58]
mod6 first make it work, then we make it pretty [02:58]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform would hold that "it doesn't work". [02:58]
asciilifeform aha. [02:58]
asciilifeform what other ways is it capable of failing in [02:58]
ben_vulpes let's find out! [02:58]
decimation infinitely many [02:58]
asciilifeform and can anyone even give a well-founded answer to this question [02:58]
ben_vulpes as we say during deploys [02:58]
ben_vulpes "what could go wrong?!" [02:58]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not i. [02:59]
ben_vulpes perhaps your "carpenter". [02:59]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [02:59]
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* asciilifeform was lying in bed, delirious, and switched on a tablet toy, wanted to read about erasure codes to take mind off snot. and found an article with colourful pictures, sorta explaining one kind. and with horror saw the author: [03:00]
asciilifeform buterin. [03:00]
asciilifeform yes, that one. [03:00]
asciilifeform (what truck he has with this subject? who can say) [03:01]
mircea_popescu im starting to suspect buterin is actually a manufactured identity. [03:02]
BingoBoingo [03:02]
assbot 4 Denver cops hit by car amid Ferguson protest; one in critical condition : News ... ( ) [03:02]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i actually met him once. [03:02]
asciilifeform [03:02]
assbot ethereum blog | [03:02]
ben_vulpes "him". [03:02]
asciilifeform ^ the article in question [03:02]
mircea_popescu some people "actually" met pirate once. [03:02]
asciilifeform bourbaki! [03:02]
mircea_popescu no. [03:02]
Vexual i think i may have met that mastercard derp [03:02]
mircea_popescu more like, princess leia [03:02]
ben_vulpes well, someone with the face plastered everywhere. [03:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59100 @ 0.00037829 = 22.3569 BTC [+] {2} [03:03]
decimation asciilifeform: you might like this book [03:03]
assbot ... ( ) [03:03]
ben_vulpes i refuse to claim knowledge of anything anymore. downright dangerous. [03:03]
BingoBoingo [03:03]
assbot Ferguson Commission member charged with assault of City Hall guard : News ... ( ) [03:03]
BingoBoingo ^ Dude sat next to Obama Monday, charged Thursday [03:04]
Vexual he looks like danny brewster [03:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mouthed an insult at his royal highness ? [03:05]
BingoBoingo Maybe? [03:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where met buterin ? [03:06]
decimation mackay kind of revived gallager's work in the 60's with ldpc codes [03:07]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: a "bitcoin" "conference" [03:07]
Vexual "I certainly don't want anyone mining technology ... away from my control" < [03:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.0003632 = 6.8009 BTC [-] [03:08]
ben_vulpes back when he was still playing "journo" [03:08]
mircea_popescu $conference [03:08]
empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 4 months and 12 days. Estimated cost today: 3.55699272 BTC (Details: ) [03:08]
asciilifeform wat. [03:08]
mircea_popescu ^ this btw is a month away from being moar expensive [03:08]
Vexual can you just buy usd to offset expenses? [03:09]
Vexual pay more in bc, but arrive with 12 trillion pesos [03:11]
ben_vulpes Vexual: or take more btc. arsfolk love btc. [03:12]
ben_vulpes love even more buying them with pesos. [03:12]
ben_vulpes night all [03:12]
mircea_popescu so far, 4 people confirmered. [03:17]
* asciilifeform counts coin originally from mircea_popescu remaining in piggy, turns out it almost exactly equals above number. [03:19]
mircea_popescu lol win. [03:19]
mircea_popescu and ftr, last time we did wags and it didn't work out [03:20]
mircea_popescu so this time you'll have to sleep with hookers. [03:20]
asciilifeform what were wags? [03:20]
Vexual wives and girlfriends [03:20]
mircea_popescu ;;usd wag [03:20]
gribble Error: "usd" is not a valid command. [03:20]
asciilifeform aha! [03:20]
mircea_popescu DAMN RIGHT [03:20]
* asciilifeform had an automatically zoophiliac mental picture of what 'wags' entails [03:21]
* asciilifeform is still in an odd mental space [03:21]
mircea_popescu it's not that far off from the truth. [03:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55562 @ 0.0003803 = 21.1302 BTC [+] {2} [03:21]
Vexual a stack of benjis [03:22]
Vexual the dog and the banknote [03:22]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << for you [03:23]
assbot KR1801VM1 USSR Soviet Russian Planar Clone of Dec PDP 11 Digital Main CPU | eBay ... ( ) [03:23]
decimation lol pdp11 on a chip [03:24]
asciilifeform my elder brother learned to program on these. [03:25]
decimation can run unix [03:25]
asciilifeform the physical package is typical of the culture [03:26]
Vexual what it doubles as a hammer? [03:26]
asciilifeform the staggered pins [03:27]
Vexual oh, for big fingers? [03:27]
asciilifeform afaik ussr did not churn out 'surface mount' process until the very end years. [03:27]
asciilifeform it was all hand - or, at the most l33t factories - wave - solder. [03:28]
asciilifeform [03:28]
assbot ... ( ) [03:28]
asciilifeform ^ example of another [03:28]
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assbot I Had Sex With Your Mama (The Jerry Springer Show) - YouTube ... ( ) [03:31]
decimation asciilifeform: why planar package for hand soldering? why not dip? [03:32]
decimation !up Vexual [03:32]
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asciilifeform decimation: holes cost [03:33]
decimation heh [03:33]
decimation need plating machine, need drill press? [03:33]
mircea_popescu and in the other color scheme : [03:33]
assbot Mom Your Man Paid Me For Sex (The Jerry Springer Show) - YouTube ... ( ) [03:33]
asciilifeform those items are present anyway. but wear on drills, time, defects, etc. [03:33]
decimation asciilifeform: did they do much wire wrap? [03:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << to complete your project. yes, bubble memory. go find usa bubble memory. [03:34]
assbot K1602RC2 Vintage Quite RARE USSR Soviet Russian Magnetic Bubble Domain Memory | eBay ... ( ) [03:34]
decimation I guess that costs - need pins, wire, etc [03:34]
asciilifeform decimation: nope [03:34]
mats_cd03 coming up on xmas. where's my cardano?! [03:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform's working oin coughing it up [03:37]
* asciilifeform coughs [03:37]
mircea_popescu he decided wetware is best after all. [03:37]
* asciilifeform wipes spit off probe cable [03:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << example of that pdp in natural habitat. same junk peddler. [03:38]
assbot Uknc MS 0511 MC Computer MS 0202 Complex Vintage USSR Soviet Russian Dec PDP 11 | eBay ... ( ) [03:38]
asciilifeform this one - through-hole parts everywhere, reminiscent of (usa) 'commodore 64' [03:39]
Vexual needs moar flux [03:39]
asciilifeform photographs show rom debugger - more than you can say for your pc ! [03:39]
decimation ben_vulpes: I'm running a patched version of 0.5.3 with your fix, see if I can replicate results [03:40]
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Vexual i don't know much about electronics, but fuck i go thruogh some hookup wire [03:40]
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Vexual prolly why i like perl [03:42]
decimation Vexual: wire wrapping is for you then [03:43]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "S&P 500 to post 8th straight quarter of gains" Odds: 63(Y):37(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.9275673 BTC. Current weight: 15,247. [03:44]
Vexual whats wire wrapping? [03:48]
Vexual oh hell no, it neads tinning [03:49]
decimation old-school electronics construction technique [03:49]
decimation nah no soldering required [03:49]
mircea_popescu you basically wrap wires around connectors [03:49]
mircea_popescu instead of soldering anything [03:49]
Vexual but thats my favourite part [03:50]
mircea_popescu course bakc when i was a kid we had this breadboard with springed clamps [03:50]
asciilifeform [03:50]
assbot ... ( ) [03:50]
* asciilifeform also had springed clamps [03:50]
decimation [03:50]
assbot Wire Wrapping: Cleaner, Faster, Safer Electronic Design ... ( ) [03:50]
decimation lol [03:50]
decimation yeah student still use spring breadboard [03:51]
decimation it has poor characteristics with any kind of high frequency [03:51]
asciilifeform less-than-perfect wire wrapping was the doom of many an amateur digital gizmo [03:51]
decimation properly done it is more reliable than soldering [03:51]
decimation I think it is still used today to construct some satellites [03:52]
asciilifeform some of the early crays were in fact wire-wrapped. [03:52]
asciilifeform satellites << quite likely more reliable than lead-free solder, yes [03:52]
Vexual easier to probe for errors perhaps? [03:52]
asciilifeform but this is not a high bar [03:52]
decimation [03:52]
assbot Gardner Denver wire wrap machine - CHM Revolution ... ( ) [03:52]
mircea_popescu what's lead free solder made out of anyway ? [03:52]
decimation silver tin [03:53]
decimation with copper too I guess. it's prone to weird 'whisker' formation [03:53]
decimation asciilifeform: no, more reliable than lead solder with extreme temp and vibration [03:53]
decimation << whiskers [03:54]
assbot Whisker (metallurgy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [03:54]
Vexual ive got a few spools of very old solder [03:54]
asciilifeform lead free >> i'm using Sn/Bi [03:54]
asciilifeform 42/58 allow [03:54]
asciilifeform *alloy [03:55]
Vexual sticks like poo to a blanket [03:55]
asciilifeform co$$$$ts [03:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52879 @ 0.00036796 = 19.4574 BTC [-] [03:56]
decimation asciilifeform: is that the 'most reliable' alloy? [03:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1735 @ 0.00124992 = 2.1686 BTC [+] {4} [03:58]
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BingoBoingo Interesting machine [03:58]
asciilifeform decimation: it's decent. chosen because of 138C melting point. [03:58]
decimation << nasa standards for wire wrap [03:58]
asciilifeform decimation: will reflow in the equipment i have with very rough time curves and minimal damage to components. [03:59]
decimation makes sense. [03:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15021 @ 0.00036796 = 5.5271 BTC [-] [03:59]
asciilifeform i've always thought laser spotweld would make a beautiful replacement for solder. [04:00]
asciilifeform but no one wants to rock this boat, it seems. [04:00]
decimation well, literally $$bn have been invested on the current path [04:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30229 @ 0.00038125 = 11.5248 BTC [+] [04:01]
decimation which is basically the same argument as "but x86 has the warez" [04:01]
asciilifeform and in 1982 ru, pdp 'had the w4r3z' [04:02]
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mircea_popescu i wonder why no laser welding actually. [04:04]
asciilifeform there is some. [04:04]
mircea_popescu could be nicely pulsed, way faster than mechanical... [04:04]
asciilifeform Li batteries [04:04]
asciilifeform can't solder'em [04:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1349 @ 0.00124995 = 1.6862 BTC [+] [04:07]
asciilifeform interestingly, Bi has... no stable isotopes. [04:08]
asciilifeform << herr walker's explanation [04:09]
assbot Barely Radioactive Elements ... ( ) [04:09]
decimation huh interesting. [04:09]
decimation well I'm going to retire, good evening gents [04:10]
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mircea_popescu badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble. << lmao [09:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00039043 = 11.2053 BTC [-] [09:22]
mircea_popescu "hey, I want to do x" "so get in wot" "but i have no need of it". well... [09:22]
mircea_popescu badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. <<< you are wrong. period and full stop. swallow this and change or get lost. also full stop. [09:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37918 @ 0.0003843 = 14.5719 BTC [-] [09:26]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust <<< that's what fucking happens with noobs ALL THE DAMNED TIME. But they know better! But why won't people who do thinks professionally consider their input! But amateurism is a do-ocracy! But reasons! But considerations! But he's not read five years of tardstalk so five years of tardstalk has never happened. Let's do it again! [09:27]
mircea_popescu etc etc etfuckingc. [09:27]
mircea_popescu at least they used to rob hayseeds in grand central. [09:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, anyone got a localbitcoins account that they're using ? is that thing any cereal ? [09:28]
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cazalla used it once for a buy, went ok, seems to be plenty of scammers too [09:41]
mircea_popescu aha [09:42]
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mircea_popescu lol [10:02]
assbot Jorge Lanata denuncia que cónsul peruano en Argentina cambia dólares en mercado negro | Diario Correo ... ( ) [10:02]
nubbins` i feel like [10:08]
nubbins` localbitcoins is ripe for scammers [10:08]
nubbins` something about they lock up funds in a peculiar way, with onus on btc seller to prove tx went thru? [10:08]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. [10:16]
mircea_popescu but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. [10:16]
mircea_popescu absolute fucking astroturfing. idiot faux-bitcoin-foundation types push this sort of arrangement where i dunno, they buy an empanada to random people to say they're "accepting bitcoin" then populate all sorts of crudiferous web2.0 apps, maps and random websites. [10:17]
mircea_popescu if you look at it isuperficially it appears there's "hundreds" of places in a 12 million inhabitant town, which is somehow notable (srsly ?). if you actually investigate it, you soon discover they're all fictitious. [10:18]
mircea_popescu sure, some guy kinda remembers someone buying him a beer to say something or the other with coinsomething in it. last year. [10:18]
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punkman but coindesk said there are 8k convenience stores selling bitcoin !? [10:20]
assbot 8,000 Convenience Stores in Argentina Now Sell Bitcoin ... ( ) [10:20]
nubbins` lel [10:20]
punkman ripoffio [10:20]
nubbins` "your email address is invalid" "which one did i use?" "nubs@nubs.nubs" [10:20]
nubbins` "o" [10:21]
mircea_popescu total bs. [10:23]
mircea_popescu for the record, bitpagos is some delaware start-up, looking to be bought out. it's playing the numbers game. the numbers are based on what numbers usually are based on, in fraudlandia i mean the internet. [10:25]
mircea_popescu like whatsapp had 85 billion users, same deal. [10:25]
nubbins` i do keep hearing buzz about bitcoin in .ar but figured it was just like everywhere else [10:25]
nubbins` i.e. a couple neckbeards & wizards puffing themselves up [10:25]
mircea_popescu quite exactly that. [10:25]
cazalla don't they have a bitcoin embassy in ar? [10:26]
nubbins` as if argentinians are looking for ANOTHER currency to gamble with [10:26]
nubbins` as if two wasn't enough [10:26]
nubbins` cazalla you forgot the "" [10:26]
mircea_popescu buncha 20something year olds, "designers" and "web experts" and whatnot, with their bike and their 0.18 btc in some sort of wallet that cost them .28 [10:26]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ironically, it actually would be looking [10:26]
mircea_popescu except they're about as intellectually indolent as the mexican stereotype goes. [10:27]
nubbins` ;;google indolence breeds [10:28]
gribble indolent ulcer - definition of indolent ulcer by Medical dictionary: ; Full text of "The Indolence of the Filipino" - Internet Archive: ; Corneal ulcers in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [10:28]
nubbins` meh. my first result was "easy money breeds indolence" [10:28]
nubbins` o and the first edition of the bird book is now sold out [10:30]
nubbins` also got in touch w/ the manufacturer of the paper we've been using, they said they have one roll left that they'd be willing to cut into sheets for us... but it's 1000 sheets at $3.05ea [10:30]
nubbins` which, i have to say, is a fucking bogus price [10:31]
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mircea_popescu uh [10:34]
mircea_popescu these are broadsheets no ? [10:34]
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nubbins` 22x30" [10:37]
nubbins` that's pretty close to broadsheet, yes [10:38]
mircea_popescu 30 grams of paper at 3 bux, what could go wrong. [10:38]
nubbins` 106 grams, even! [10:40]
mircea_popescu uh. a broadsheet is like .4 sqm. what's this, 250 gram paper ? [10:40]
nubbins` precisely so [10:41]
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nubbins` this is the cover stock [10:41]
nubbins` 250gsm black cotton, acid-free, archival quality [10:41]
mircea_popescu ah [10:41]
nubbins` two deckled edges, one smooth side, one lightly toothed :D [10:41]
mircea_popescu well then stop bitching. [10:41]
nubbins` $3.05 is costly! [10:42]
mircea_popescu PAPER DOESNT GROW ON TREES YOU KNOW! [10:42]
nubbins` heh [10:42]
nubbins` this paper grows on plants 8) [10:42]
nubbins` i was expecting $2-$2.25 per sheet [10:43]
fluffypony PLANT MURDERER [10:43]
nubbins` actually the cotton plant does not die when you pick the cotton [10:43]
nubbins` (TYL) [10:43]
fluffypony I'm going to become carnivorous to stop abuse of plants [10:43]
fluffypony and throw jars of green paint at printers [10:43]
nubbins` anyway, i'll probably just switch over to Stonehenge paper after this shit runs out. [10:43]
mircea_popescu direct ab use, anyway [10:44]
nubbins` the pages are slightly less thick, 175gsm dead-tree [10:44]
nubbins` FSC certified, fwiw ;/ [10:44]
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mircea_popescu o look at that ? [10:56]
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*justusranvier* Chris Odom is in Rio right now [11:04]
mats_cd03 it breathes [11:09]
kakobrekla [11:16]
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assbot China Has Overtaken the U.S. as the World’s Largest Economy | Vanity Fair ... ( ) [11:52]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol [12:00]
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mircea_popescu mats_cd03 wasn't that sometime in 2011 ? [12:09]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure. [12:09]
mats_cd03 they're finally admitting it to themselves [12:09]
mats_cd03 article's written by stiglitz [12:10]
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assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [12:31]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes thestringpuller you know that qntrra piece came out really good. [12:53]
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danielpbarron i've done quite a few face-to-face trades via localbitcoins; never used their escrow. just used it to post my phone number [13:10]
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ben_vulpes More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources. << lol return of spamgun? [15:16]
mats_cd03 just a guy with an inflated sense of self. [15:19]
mats_cd03 who still worships at the altar of VC cock, apparently [15:19]
ben_vulpes indistinguishable from similar derps. [15:19]
ben_vulpes how are you, mats_cd03 ? [15:19]
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mats_cd03 kinda bored, i've been holding down an IT job since june [15:20]
ben_vulpes but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. << "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional. [15:20]
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mats_cd03 doing different things like studying the windows kernel, trying to learn malware analysis fundamentals and some of the tooling, docker deployment for dev and prod for a friend's website, and working on the courts circus project [15:22]
ben_vulpes sounds busy [15:22]
mats_cd03 wishing i'd be free of the 9-5 drudgery [15:22]
undata arbeit macht frei! [15:23]
undata or uh, too busy to notice otherwise [15:23]
undata also good morning to you both, or whatever time of day it may be [15:24]
mats_cd03 indeed [15:24]
mats_cd03 whats new ben_vulpes [15:25]
ben_vulpes dockerizing jenkins [15:25]
ben_vulpes derpy client keeps breaking the build [15:25]
ben_vulpes gotta send everyone polite notifications of who's responsible each and every time now to make a point. [15:25]
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mats_cd03 of course [15:26]
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ben_vulpes dockerizing so that deploying CI in the future is a matter of running the provisioner and waiting a minute. [15:28]
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mircea_popescu "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional. << cristina's been cracking down. [16:10]
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-assbot- You voiced Simonz for 30 minutes. [16:13]
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Simonz ok [16:14]
ben_vulpes i'm intrigued to see if any of my contacts pick up when i come back. [16:14]
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cazalla it's a week since bitcoin black friday and still, no stats from bitpay, it must've been a total flop [16:44]
punkman yeah who wants to buy things at ,,ticker [16:45]
punkman ;;ticker [16:45]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 373.92, Best ask: 373.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 373.92, 24 hour volume: 7766.05646487, 24 hour low: 363.99, 24 hour high: 374.2, 24 hour vwap: 370.711003633 [16:45]
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cazalla that habbo hotel bitcoin conference is on lol [16:55]
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mircea_popescu << submitted to reddit by reddit mod piachu [17:01]
assbot GBA | Home Page ... ( ) [17:01]
mircea_popescu (if you don't recall her, the girl with the wooden block up her cunt from just-dice) [17:01]
BingoBoingo I thought she spelled her nick pikachu as in the pokemon [17:06]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [17:07]
cazalla pika pika [17:08]
assbot Distributed markets for drone operators : Bitcoin ... ( ) [17:13]
BingoBoingo [17:16]
assbot A Note to Our Readers | Rolling Stone ... ( ) [17:16]
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assbot F.DERP November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:02]
mircea_popescu soooo node.js finally dead ? [18:07]
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mats_cd03 wishful thinking [18:13]
undata mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell the js horde [18:13]
mircea_popescu no dude totally, it's gonna be forked like 6 more times over 2015 and by 2016 it'll be like css. [18:15]
undata that wouldn't surprise me [18:15]
undata mircea_popescu: did you see that some derps are forking openbsd? [18:15]
undata apparently it's not future enough so they're going to add more future [18:15]
undata "fun to work on" [18:17]
assbot Faq · bitrig/bitrig Wiki · GitHub ... ( ) [18:17]
mircea_popescu my theory here being that substantial projects benefit from spurious forking, because it soaks up the idiots and sends them away. whereas spurious projects suffer from forking, because well, there's no way to distinguish the shards. [18:17]
mircea_popescu sort-of like how the same problems that sink centrally planned economies make market economies thrive [18:17]
mircea_popescu (the problem of choice, for instance) [18:17]
undata right, I'd assumed that anyone working on bitrig was rejected from openbsd proper [18:17]
mircea_popescu (and of course my way to distinguiosh the shards - "who's in charge ?" - is exactly acid to the eyes of the spuriomancers) [18:18]
mats_cd03 if you're interested in using fiverr again, mircea_popescu, looks like a solid candidate for ro translations [18:19]
assbot mihaela_predan | fiverr ... ( ) [18:19]
mircea_popescu i fucking hate fiverrr [18:19]
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mircea_popescu is there a word for the activity of "going through your private stash of girlfriend pr0n" ? [18:20]
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cazalla [18:29]
assbot California's DBO: We Have Authority To Regulate Bitcoin | ... ( ) [18:29]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 of course, seeing how the prize is ~10x a fiverr, that article is highly arbitrageable i guess. [18:29]
mircea_popescu bwahahah [18:29]
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mats_cd03 ya. i'm going out tonight, so if someone wants to, you've got about a day to beat me to it [18:31]
mats_cd03 found you a translator and everything! [18:32]
mircea_popescu cazalla :p [18:33]
assbot California's DBO: We Have Authority To Regulate Bitcoin | ... ( ) [18:33]
BingoBoingo Oh hey, let's expand asset forfiture [18:38]
assbot Fraternity sexual assault and criminal activities: States should use gang laws to seize their assets. ... ( ) [18:38]
BingoBoingo "Any responsible citizen can file suit" << Why write a derp piece then and not a suit? [18:39]
mats_cd03 because poor [18:41]
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mats_cd03 can't afford to pay to be laughed at by a judge [18:44]
cazalla mircea_popescu, but they came to a consensus so who are we to disagree? [18:44]
cazalla btw i logged into the habbo hotel confrence, all the sponsored booths are pretty much bots, hardly any guests either for me to troll : [18:45]
mircea_popescu aww! [18:45]
mircea_popescu wasn't there some massive thing with that game [18:46]
mircea_popescu where people kept trolling the players what was it [18:47]
mircea_popescu door blocking ? [18:47]
mats_cd03 [18:50]
assbot Habbo /B/lockade - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( ) [18:50]
mats_cd03 ben_vulpes: have you tried out Fig for docker deployments? its nice. [18:50]
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asciilifeform << 'Downgrade' magazine. [18:52]
asciilifeform (ru) [18:52]
assbot ... ( ) [18:52]
asciilifeform who doesn't speak the language - can enjoy the photos. [18:52]
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undata mircea_popescu: "pool's closed due to aids" [18:55]
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mircea_popescu hpw [18:57]
mircea_popescu how's that flaming idiocy in slate under "jurisprudence" ? [18:57]
mircea_popescu this is like filing swimsuits under fur coats. [18:57]
mircea_popescu Delta Kappa Epsilon’s Yale chapter is in its fourth year of a five-year suspension that followed an episode in which pledges paraded through a residential quad chanting, “No means yes; yes means anal.” [18:58]
mircea_popescu this is "gangs" nao. [18:58]
cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah, see mats_cd03 link [19:02]
cazalla some grandma also thought the meme was targetting her grandchildren [19:03]
assbot Woman Mis-Interprets Internet Meme as Racist - YouTube ... ( ) [19:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Apparently but this isn't [19:04]
assbot UPDATED: Police Investigate Possible Hate Crime in Bevo Neighborhood « CBS St. Louis ... ( ) [19:04]
BingoBoingo << White teenagers [19:10]
assbot Feds: Pair stole 39 guns, discussed selling them to Ferguson protesters : News ... ( ) [19:10]
cazalla BingoBoingo, "When the woman tried to drive around them, the suspects reportedly pulled out a firearm, so she stopped the car." the fuck? run em down! [19:15]
BingoBoingo That's probably what will happen next time. [19:16]
cazalla there is a video of that happening late last month would score no points in carmageddon though, held back too much [19:17]
assbot Driver Plows into Ferguson Protest Crowd in Minneapolis (VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( ) [19:17]
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assbot Sergio Demian Lerner Hired By Vessenes' Foundation | ... ( ) [19:41]
mats_cd03 lol some kids are demonstrating nearby [19:43]
undata BingoBoingo: White teenagers << southern classlessness is colorblind [19:44]
mats_cd03 i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away [19:47]
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assbot Tufts Students Organizing Protest In Response to Eric Garner Decision ... ( ) [19:47]
mats_cd03 i bet 1btc they give up before 7PM so they can pregame for a party tonight [19:47]
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jurov mats_cd03: against whom? [20:06]
jurov the bet [20:06]
mats_cd03 im kidding [20:07]
kakobrekla no kids or kidding here. [20:08]
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asciilifeform (spammer's mirror, original long dead, archive dot org lacks photos) [21:36]
assbot Elektronika MK-85C | Клепов Анатолий Викторович ... ( ) [21:36]
asciilifeform astoundingly shoddy en transl. [21:36]
asciilifeform << usg gloats (internally) at great length and detail re: soviet computer industry. circa 1989. [21:47]
assbot ... ( ) [21:47]
asciilifeform [21:52]
assbot VAX/VMS Great Security Hole ... ( ) [21:52]
asciilifeform 'The hole let unprivileged user-mode program to switch into kernel mode. But more spectacularly, the hole was tightly coupled into unique architectural design of VMS, and in its sly and teasing way...' [21:53]
asciilifeform (in modern parlance - a 'local root') [21:53]
ben_vulpes mats_cd03: not enough yaml [22:16]
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decimation asciilifeform: have you come across this turd: [23:14]
assbot DarkHotel: A Sophisticated New Hacking Attack Targets High-Profile Hotel Guests | WIRED ... ( ) [23:14]
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mircea_popescu i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away << so they're demonstrating good lungs eh. [23:28]
mircea_popescu cazalla who's this sergio fellow again ? [23:28]
mats_cd03 ben_vulpes: what do you need that for? [23:33]
asciilifeform hotels, evil access point, winblows trojans << snore [23:33]
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* asciilifeform back to bed if that's all there is [23:33]
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asciilifeform 'The key logger the attackers used also has Korean characters inside and appears to have ties to a coder in South Korea.' << lol, let's believe every byte of ascii text in the turd, aha [23:35]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i dunno, he's in BA, perhaps you can do an interview with the foundation's latest hire [23:36]
asciilifeform '“You have to be very skilled in kernel-level development and this is already quite a rare skillset,” says Vitaly Kamluk, principal security researcher at Kaspersky Lab.' << idiots [23:36]
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asciilifeform 'There’s no logical reason to use a kernel-level keylogger says Raiu since it’s so easy to write key loggers that hook the Windows API using about four lines of code. “But these guys prefer to do a kernel-level keylogger, which is about 300 kilobytes in size—the driver for the key logger—which is pretty crazy and very unusual.' << imbeciles [23:36]
asciilifeform SOP. [23:36]
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asciilifeform 'When victims attempt to connect to the WiFi network, they get a pop-up alert telling them their Adobe Flash player needs an update and offering them a file, digitally signed to make it look authentic, to download. If the victims accept they download, they get a Trojan delivered instead.' << run more winblows, 'high-profile executives,..., government agencies and NGOs and U.S. executives.' [23:38]
asciilifeform biodiesel. [23:38]
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undata Here, inject this syringe. [23:39]
asciilifeform aha. [23:39]
asciilifeform 'certified!' [23:39]
undata the guy looked like a doctor to me! [23:39]
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asciilifeform 'NSA-Level Infection Mechanism,' 'rare skillset,' my arse. [23:40]
undata !up warptangent [23:40]
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decimation asciilifeform: it seems to me that the advantages of a real-mode keylog are obvious [23:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, there's also 30something kinda fat prostitutes. [23:41]
asciilifeform how are these used ? [23:41]
decimation asciilifeform: but apparently they broke a 512-bit rsa cert! [23:42]
asciilifeform (the prostitutes, that is. 'real mode' per traditional terminology is what msdos runs in, not sure how this applies here) [23:42]
mircea_popescu whatever way you feel like i guess. [23:42]
asciilifeform 512 bit << i can do that here, lol [23:42]
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decimation heh I know [23:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a no, this was re your "going to bed" line [23:42]
asciilifeform ahaha [23:42]
decimation leet h4x0rs everywhere [23:43]
asciilifeform 'yesterday's nobel is tomorrow's homework' was yesterday's proverb. today's is 'yesterday's homework is today's l33t 0day' [23:43]
decimation heh [23:44]
mircea_popescu cazalla intel sez he's the guy with the 2013 reports about "discoveries". [23:45]
assbot The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius | Bitslog ... ( ) [23:45]
asciilifeform lol that one ! [23:45]
mircea_popescu !up jborkl [23:45]
-assbot- You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes. [23:45]
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jborkl Thank you mircea [23:46]
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jborkl Wow, the MasterCard video was a disaster [23:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, since we're doing that sorta thing, i guess i never linked [23:47]
assbot Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:47]
undata "One of the consequences of these graph is that if the real name of the sender of a single transaction belonging to the entity is identified, then Satoshi mystery identity will be revealed. I bet that this will happen in the days following this post." < hilarious [23:47]
undata now that I've made these graphs, clearly the hard work is done [23:48]
mircea_popescu kinda typical derpage. but anyway, fake foundation gotta work itself aground somehow. [23:49]
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asciilifeform work itself aground somehow << thus far there is an inexhaustible supply of... whatever it is [23:51]
mircea_popescu snot ? [23:51]
asciilifeform snot also. [23:51]
mircea_popescu !b 3 [23:51]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [23:51]
jborkl Nice article mp [23:52]
decimation lol of the day << One of the node.js core contributors, Ben Noordhuis, rejected a pull request that eliminated the use of a gendered pronoun in libuv. [23:53]
assbot The Power of a Pronoun - Blog - Joyent ... ( ) [23:53]
mircea_popescu win. [23:53]
decimation << "As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has decided to step away from Node.js and libuv, and is no longer acting as a core committer." [23:53]
assbot Ben Noordhuis's Departure ... ( ) [23:53]
mircea_popescu lose. [23:53]
decimation apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch [23:53]
mircea_popescu decimation you understand what's at stake there right ? [23:54]
decimation now this guy forked node.js [23:54]
mircea_popescu guys like hearn, gmaxwell etc , as well as guys like poettering etc, as well as guys like that derpy chick whatever her name is [23:54]
mircea_popescu are "core contributors" because people count patches [23:54]
mircea_popescu but nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE. [23:54]
mircea_popescu astroturfing to the max. [23:54]
mircea_popescu so the guy prevented a politruk from getting his "contributions" count up. [23:54]
jborkl Well one of the core contributors for bitcoin flipped hamburgers not too long ago [23:55]
mircea_popescu which is a major problem, because the us nomenklatura is fighting real hard to get "scientific" credetnials. [23:55]
decimation right, but the guy wasn't an employee of joyent [23:55]
asciilifeform nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE << nobody but a hatecriminal aha. [23:55]
decimation anyway, it's kinda like the retard version of the openbsd fork [23:55]
mircea_popescu AS IF the von flondor process won't see through that [23:55]
mircea_popescu (more likely, so when they get hanged by their own guts, the remainder, ever less numerous crowd of them can falsely claim that we're attaching "science" [23:56]
mircea_popescu instead of what it is - scum.) [23:56]
jborkl Mp, did you ever join the bitcoin foundation? [23:57]
asciilifeform intelligent, conscious tumours, ever in search of ways to embed deeper into healthy tissue (what little remains) [23:57]
decimation during the french revolution, plenty of scum pseudo-scientists ganged together to hang actual people [23:57]
mircea_popescu no. [23:57]
jborkl Lol, joke [23:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're just minimaxing. [23:57]
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decimation "Joyent raised venture capital for the first time in November 2009[42] from Intel and Dell.[43] Joyent's early institutional investors include El Dorado Ventures, Epic Ventures, Peter Thiel (Seed Round),[44] Intel Capital (Series A, B Rounds),[45] Greycroft Partners (Series A, B Rounds),[46] Liberty Global (Series B Round). In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II, [23:59]
decimation Accelero Capital, and Telefónica Digital.[47] In October 2014, Joyent raised an additional $15 million in Series D funding from existing investors. [48]" [23:59]
decimation for the record [23:59]
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