Forum logs for 03 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

decimation	lol http://fusion.net/story/5831/jorge-ramos-to-cia-director-dont-you-need-more-people-like-snowden-2/ << "“We actually don’t even recruit spies, to be perfectly honest,” said Ron Patrick, who heads recruitment efforts at the CIA. “That’s television. That’s movies. That’s the general theme about how people refer to what we do here. But it’s not at all what we do.”"	[00:00]
assbot	Jorge Ramos to CIA Director: Don’t You Need ‘More People Like Snowden?’ -- Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL9nWr )	[00:00]
decimation	"The CIA confirmed to Fusion that for the last two promotion cycles to the Senior Intelligence Service, 40 percent or more of those who were promoted were female."	[00:01]
decimation	re: two strong oxen << Cray died with Cray, unfortunately, its corpse lives on.	[00:02]
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decimation	But asciilifeform is right - the raw brute horsepower per watt of 2014 hardware outpaces 2008 hardware, notwithstanding retarded implementation	[00:02]
decimation	and by horsepower I mean "ability to perform arithmetic and convey the results in a timely fashion"	[00:03]
decimation	and asciilifeform is right, the usg folks who 'compute' have no problem running poettering shit if it 'gets the job done'	[00:04]
decimation	mircea_popescu: re: http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-38/ << a comment at the bottom: "Frog Do Says: IMO, “Moldbug studies” remain one of the more fertile areas of research for the American Outer Right. More interesting info in that “Trilema” piece than anything on Ferguson."	[00:08]
assbot	Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Chaos Patch (#38) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLantI )	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00037398 = 33.6956 BTC [+] {3}	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	ha, fancy that.	[00:09]
decimation	I don't think what we do here is 'moldbug studies' but I think the channel is at friendly to some of his conclusions	[00:09]
decimation	at any rate, people with brains recognize novel thought	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	i think that's an artefact of approach. in this sense, my pieces loling at usg feminists are properly "Feminist studies"	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	just like you know, pissing on an anthil is "ant deluvionation" if you're looking at the world from an ant.	[00:11]
decimation	yeah I buy that. more like "Feminist studies" than bitching about some nerd wearing a shirt with scantily clad women	[00:11]
decimation	re: follow-up on those 'oath keepers' who 'volunteered' to guard businesses in Ferguson: https://www.facebook.com/duane.weed.54/posts/988857591129752 << "This past Wednesday (11/26), local police were advised in private briefings that the police (i.e. Federal agencies) now consider the Oath Keepers the threat, not the New Black Panthers, the pro-Michael Brown demonstrators, or ISIS."	[00:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FLaW6E )	[00:13]
decimation	"Early this afternoon, I confirmed (through a private source) what I have suspected since last August. Namely that the daily telephone interaction between MO Governor Nixon and the White House has involved Ms. Valerie Jarrett not the POTUS."	[00:14]
decimation	who knows if this guy is legit, but if what he is wrote is true, USG apparently views a group of actual people acting of their own free will to be a much greater threat than rampaging rivers of meat	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	of course it would duh.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	rivers of meat are still just rivers.	[00:18]
decimation	heh someone lifted a qntra article http://www.ufblog.net/quotable-52/	[00:20]
assbot	Quotable (#52) \| Urban Future (2.1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLbGZr )	[00:20]
decimation	Nick Land seems to be taking quite a liking to bitcoin-assets thought	[00:24]
decimation	http://www.xenosystems.net/undead/	[00:24]
assbot	Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Undead ... ( http://bit.ly/12qaKh5 )	[00:24]
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mike_c	no room on qntra amongst the daily australian bitcoin news for a piece on coinbase becoming an exchange now? such xenophobia.	[00:38]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/12/new-zealand-couple-avoid-jail-for-drugs-imported-via-silk-road-like-site/	[00:42]
assbot	New Zealand Couple Avoid Jail For Drugs Imported Via Silk Road Like Site \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/12qgBmx )	[00:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00037783 = 26.7126 BTC [+] {2}	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Coinbase is not news. They exist. Their changing shit slightly totally not news. If qntra was a thing when they introduced their wallet less node thing, news. USD paypal wallet thing not news.	[00:44]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Unless you can do charts for it...	[00:44]
cazalla	mike_c, despite my being an aussie, it's not bias, simply interesting news coming from down under past few days, the coinbase thing is meh, plenty of sites have usd type wallets, who really cares imo, they can add the iraqi dinar and maybe i'll post that	[00:44]
mike_c	this has nothing to do with wallets	[00:45]
mike_c	it is now an exchange. hold $$, hold btc, trade at will instantly.	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	The Aussie stuff though did come as a huge dump.	[00:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.10020039 = 3.006 BTC [-] {4}	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	Coinbase was always an exchange... just a slow one.	[00:45]
mike_c	now, it wasn't	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	That freezes accounts a lot..	[00:46]
mike_c	*no. you couldn't hold USD on coinbase. now you can.	[00:46]
cazalla	and i don't want to be seen to promote the idea that holding usd on coinbase is a good idea either	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00038236 = 16.4797 BTC [+] {2}	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: If you can news it up, qntra worthy prolly. Just when Australia had an orgy of pieces on the wrong politics...	[00:47]
mike_c	this is silly. where do you think US qntra readers buy their bitcoin?	[00:47]
mike_c	fucking bitstamp?	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	I thought US people bought bitcoin in Tijuana from Sinaloa	[00:47]
cazalla	mike_c, buying and holding 2 different things, i use similar sites but it's a one way street	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	I'm coming around to this maybe being newsworthy, but as someone without a bank account I think another USian could do a fairer take.	[00:48]
decimation	mike_c: where else to us qntra readers buy bitcoin? otc?	[00:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1255 @ 0.0011992 = 1.505 BTC [-] {2}	[00:48]
cazalla	mike_c, you're always welcome to write it up, pocket some shares in the process	[00:48]
mike_c	qntra is not #b-a news, it is 'better than coindesk' news. i doubt they use otc.	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I actually can see a case for people to buy BTC off of CoinBase and pocket them elsewhere, provided they are willing to lose USD to the machine's quirks	[00:49]
decimation	eh, if they sell and deliver, that makes them a worth market participant right?	[00:50]
decimation	I think the complaint is that whenever the price moves, coinbase suddenly has 'issues'	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Or it robs the waterfall of the ability to paper BTC	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	ALright I've set my timer. If someone else volunteers to do a COinbase has a USD wallet too nao, I won't give it a one sentence writeup.	[00:51]
cazalla	mike_c, it's also a question of priority, there is little to be gained by giving the coinbse news top priority when it is top of reddit and other bitcoin news sites	[00:51]
mike_c	huh? I don't want to read reddit and other btc news sites. i thought this was whole point of qntra.	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[00:52]
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mircea_popescu	qntra is not #b-a news, it is 'better than coindesk' news. i doubt they use otc. << this is a point, but srsly, write it.	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	Point. I'll write it in a few if no one wants to give it a treatment.	[00:53]
mike_c	fine, I'll write it up.	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	Thank you mike_c	[00:54]
mike_c	this is what you get for complaining around here. work!	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[00:54]
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cazalla	mike_c: it is now an exchange. hold $$, hold btc, trade at will instantly. <<< is it an actual exchange or continue to be market maker?	[00:54]
mike_c	the latter	[00:55]
mike_c	with tightish spreads though	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	I think they tend to still sell themselves as a broker	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	Effect will probably be to make BTC to USD transactions a bigger pain in the ass on their platform the next runup	[00:55]
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mircea_popescu	this is what you get for complaining around here. work! << real do-ocracy over here.	[00:58]
cazalla	this is what you get for complaining around here. work! <<< there are plenty of bids for s.qntra shares on MPEx. BingoBoingo and I can't cover every single story, I have no intention to sell my own shares so anyone with the inclination to earn a bit of btc can cover what we miss and sell their shares if so desired	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	Effect will probably be to make BTC to USD transactions a bigger pain in the ass on their platform the next runup << yup.	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	Honestly the situation with qntra shares is that if you want them you write, or buy into something kind of bubbly. I mean there's far less shares than BTC	[01:00]
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BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[01:05]
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Vexual	ayo	[01:05]
Vexual	what u mean bubbly fool?	[01:05]
Vexual	I cream truck don't need no windsheild wipers	[01:06]
Vexual	It's sunny out	[01:06]
Vexual	I'm not sure how that relates, but it sure is some business science	[01:10]
decimation	what if it is raining funnel web spiders?	[01:11]
Vexual	you ain't gonna sell no icecreams	[01:11]
cazalla	i think i might've outdone asciilifeform's buterin diagram.. http://i.imgur.com/8ydqSV7.png http://i.imgur.com/WcdnKZ1.png http://i.imgur.com/dUc5E2b.png	[01:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HXE2DC )	[01:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HXE2Ud )	[01:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HXE3aF )	[01:12]
nubbins`	it's raining funnel web spiders	[01:13]
nubbins`	hallelujah	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: You and your non-z80 based nintendos	[01:13]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, i bet this new one breaks within a year or two too	[01:15]
*	asciilifeform went home, sat down to write broadcast and ended up reading the eldritch horror on mircea_popescu's site.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	which one of em ?	[01:17]
asciilifeform	both.	[01:17]
BingoBoingo	Maybe. I also bet I can get more interesting pokemans in my version blue on the original game boy	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	that's what trilema's for. eldritch horrors for everyone.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	how even came up with that one.	[01:18]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, how about red? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#513562	[01:18]
assbot	Logged on 18-02-2014 06:07:03; cazalla: btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies	[01:18]
asciilifeform	'My dick piece never came off, but I didn't want it to, either. I found a black boyfriend that year, and so I discovered that the cause of my orgasm wasn't actually Tyrone's pee.'	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Cousin had red, brother had yellow	[01:18]
asciilifeform	can't help but wonder if tale is allegorical.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	:)	[01:19]
asciilifeform	for glbse or the like...	[01:19]
mike_c	cazalla, how do i submit this turd? pastebin?	[01:20]
cazalla	mike_c, it can be polished via cazalla@fastmail.com.au	[01:20]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: emailed to either of us works. If editorial at all to cazalla after the pete_incidents.	[01:21]
mike_c	email sent to caz	[01:23]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, should i file this under scams/fraud? :P	[01:27]
cazalla	perhaps even altcoins!	[01:27]
mike_c	for the record, i was not really complaining about the amount of australian news. I'm read that stuff and am interested. It was just concerning that coinbase does stuff like expand to 20 countries and enable instant trading with no mention.	[01:27]
mike_c	makes me feel like i'm missing out on stuff.	[01:27]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Prolly not. fiat/btc interfaces is prolly fine	[01:27]
mike_c	plz. you filed changetip under investment.	[01:28]
cazalla	mike_c, it's all good :) http://qntra.net/2014/12/coinbase-allows-usd-balance-for-a-few-us-customers/	[01:28]
assbot	Coinbase Allows USD Balance for a Few US Customers \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXGEBt )	[01:28]
BingoBoingo	Changetip did get an "Investment"	[01:28]
*	BingoBoingo could have a Coinbase USD wallet if I could ACH...	[01:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo banks at First Nigerian Bank of Spam?	[01:29]
asciilifeform	why no ach ?	[01:29]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Prepaid debitcard and cash for my USD needs.	[01:29]
BingoBoingo	recieves ACH jsut fine	[01:29]
BingoBoingo	Simply no need or cause for having a full featured USD bank account	[01:30]
asciilifeform	but cannot send ?	[01:30]
BingoBoingo	Nope, cannot send	[01:30]
BingoBoingo	UNless they changed shit since last I checked.	[01:30]
decimation	BingoBoingo: how do you get paid? bitcoin?	[01:30]
asciilifeform	gold dubloons ?	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	I don't get paid.	[01:31]
decimation	ah	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	Nomad	[01:31]
mike_c	he gets paid in qntra shares	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	!s Have tent	[01:31]
assbot	5 results for 'Have tent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Have+tent	[01:31]
decimation	you should under the stump like that one fellow	[01:31]
mike_c	cazalla: cool, thx for quick publish and light touch on editing.	[01:32]
*	BingoBoingo made the mistake of going to Library school. "All of these old people are going to retire soon" they said. "People want technology skills they said" as they sort applicants by facebook.	[01:32]
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decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770595	[01:34]
assbot	Logged on 26-07-2014 19:37:58; asciilifeform: now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance.	[01:34]
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punkman	http://www.coinsetter.com/bitcoin-news/2014/12/02/bitcoin-difficulty-drops-first-time-22-months-1951	[01:36]
assbot	News: Bitcoin Difficulty Drops for the First Time in 22 MonthsCoinsetter Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXI5jl )	[01:36]
punkman	you got scooped	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly, wasn't the bitbet bet here earlier ?	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	qntra totally needs a piece on that.	[01:38]
punkman	most interesting news for the day	[01:38]
punkman	maybe week	[01:38]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, drafting a piece nao.	[01:39]
cazalla	didn't occur to me despite logs earlier	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	mhm.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	punkman has it, it's major.	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	It is.	[01:40]
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BingoBoingo	Fuck, I totally failied to recognize major event is major.	[01:40]
cazalla	in hindsight, could've prepared an article for the moment diff changed	[01:40]
cazalla	as they do celebs	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah, some base of prepared articles for sopme stuff is not a bad idea.	[01:40]
punkman	http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=93&controller=product&id_lang=1 < "personal Bitcoin lottery device" hah	[01:41]
assbot	"DICE" 160 GHs desktop USB miner / blockchain lottery device - TechnoBit ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeaVXN )	[01:41]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, maybe include bitbet odds favoured it despite last minute bets	[01:42]
kuzetsa	http://youtu.be/lkaIoH6Um60 <<< warning, japanese people are weird	[01:44]
assbot	「3秒クッキング　爆速エビフライ」篇 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXJwOM )	[01:44]
decimation	the us tardstream media loves pre-planned events	[01:45]
decimation	this ferguson thing is a good example	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	ahaha great one kuzetsa	[01:46]
punkman	how hot would the flame need to be to do that?	[01:51]
*	punkman assumes photoshop	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=175.0 << this shit is evil incidentally.	[01:52]
assbot	A Heroin Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXKV7Z )	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	there's no way to build a case out of that if rigurously observed outside of fed-fiat.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	"we know you must convict this guy and won't tell you why or how we found out. sign here."	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	"Yes, I2P or Tor would work for such a website. Freenet is probably more secure because there are no entry/exit nodes to monitor, but Freesites can only serve static content, and anonymous Bitcoin payments don't have a way to include a message with them."	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	of course they do. trilema credits uses it.	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/12/first-difficulty-drop-of-the-asic-age/ << Up nao	[01:55]
assbot	First Difficulty Drop of the ASIC Age \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXLezI )	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	Fuck that could have been up 5 hours ago	[01:55]
decimation	why would usg care if you were the intended recipient or a random victim?	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	because if one can joejob people this way ima put nuland in prison on federal drug charges ?	[01:56]
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decimation	how would one "send" the mail anonymously?	[01:57]
decimation	like, you leave package on the postman's door?	[01:57]
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BingoBoingo	I someone who can graph wants to do a longer piece on difficulty drops in Bitcoin's history...	[01:58]
BingoBoingo	*if	[01:58]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor's_residence_drug_raid << actually this has already been done	[02:04]
assbot	Berwyn Heights, Maryland mayor's residence drug raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXMQto )	[02:04]
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BingoBoingo	!up xinxiwang	[02:15]
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xinxiwang	thanks	[02:16]
xinxiwang	is there Japanese here?	[02:16]
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BingoBoingo	Maybe?	[02:18]
BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[02:21]
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Vexual	don't see much japanese here	[02:21]
Vexual	!s magicaltux	[02:21]
assbot	105 results for 'magicaltux' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=magicaltux	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00037145 = 11.7564 BTC [-] {3}	[02:22]
Vexual	toyotas up tho	[02:30]
decimation	;;lastseen magicaltux	[02:31]
gribble	Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.	[02:31]
Vexual	no last	[02:31]
Vexual	;;last magicaltux	[02:31]
gribble	(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)	[02:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: mayor raid << this was right where i lived at the time.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	didn't see it, but read in local rag.	[02:31]
Vexual	;;seen magicaltux	[02:31]
gribble	I have not seen magicaltux.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	they machine-gunned his dog.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	decimation sure.	[02:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: you and the mayor prefer the ghetto :)	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	like, you leave package on the postman's door? << pay homeless dude 10 bux ?	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	xinxiwang nope. are you japanese ?	[02:32]
decimation	maybe usg pays him 20	[02:32]
Vexual	sg	[02:32]
xinxiwang	no, I am chinese	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	decimation yeah. right.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	'We've apologized for the incident, but we will never apologize for taking drugs off our streets. Quite frankly, we'd do it again. Tonight.'	[02:32]
decimation	lol	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	aka "we had fun, fuck you"	[02:33]
asciilifeform	aha.	[02:33]
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Vexual	xinxiwang, why so many bitcoiners in sg?	[02:33]
xinxiwang	maybe singapore is a good place for bitcoin business.	[02:33]
xinxiwang	the government follows the law strictly. they don’t ban it.	[02:34]
xinxiwang	they cannot ban it.	[02:34]
decimation	xinxiwang: are people in the prc generally able to hold bitcoin?	[02:34]
asciilifeform	even in usa, can hold bitcoin.	[02:35]
xinxiwang	surely they can.	[02:35]
asciilifeform	even in auschwitz, if it were built again.	[02:35]
decimation	xinxiwang: what about the exchanges that were shut down?	[02:35]
asciilifeform	fat lot of good 'holding' does, though.	[02:35]
xinxiwang	which one was shut down?	[02:35]
decimation	asciilifeform: good point	[02:35]
xinxiwang	btcchina? okcoin?	[02:35]
decimation	yeah	[02:35]
xinxiwang	none of them was shut down.	[02:36]
decimation	I guess they were forced to not accept bank transfers right?	[02:36]
xinxiwang	oh yeah, they have some other ways.	[02:36]
xinxiwang	it does not really matter.	[02:36]
decimation	xinxiwang: is there a functioning over-the-counter market in the prc for bitcoin?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	"In 2009 Mayor Cheye Calvo proposed a measure that would require every Maryland police department that operates a SWAT team to submit biannual reports on its activities, including where and when it was deployed and whether an operation resulted in arrests, evidence seizures, or injuries."	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[02:37]
xinxiwang	I guess no.	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	even in usa, can hold bitcoin. << SO far I can even transact.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm.	[02:37]
decimation	mircea_popescu: tally how many dogs killed?	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	i guess lol.	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm. << USG dealing with CHina and Russia, won't seize but torch. Owner torches.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	truth be told, a lot more swat derps need to be kiled on a daily basis, to balance that shit out.	[02:38]
Vexual	dow jones industrial all time high	[02:38]
asciilifeform	!s solzhenitsyn axe	[02:38]
assbot	6 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=solzhenitsyn+axe	[02:38]
asciilifeform	not one dead swat man afaik. not in recent years.	[02:38]
decimation	mircea_popescu: that facebook post above demonstrates there are those who fantasize about doing exactly that I think	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i know. kinda the problem.	[02:39]
asciilifeform	the ss man is bold precisely because impunity.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	nothing worse than an aparatchick with a delusion of invulnerability.	[02:39]
asciilifeform	if there were danger, he would be a coward, like usa in iraq.	[02:39]
BingoBoingo	SWAT man's advantage in the US is practice	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking, considering the line of work, a 2-3 year average lifespan for anyone involved would be reasonable.	[02:39]
asciilifeform	machine gun a hunting dog? sure. good sport, apparently.	[02:39]
asciilifeform	i bet they skinned, tanned the hides.	[02:40]
asciilifeform	trophy heads on wall.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i'd personally hold on to acquitting anyone accused of shooting a swat derp, if in his home.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	just on a general "well, vote for the underdog" thing.	[02:40]
Vexual	australia gets a lot more people shot in their kitchen for holding a kitchen knife than americaz	[02:40]
asciilifeform	if this becomes a plausible thing, jury trial will be abolished in usa.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	so let it be abolished lol.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	take the 2-3year average lifespan to 16 monts, what of it.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	presently it's a useful propaganda tool - usg picks pliant juries reliably, gives extra spray paint coating of 'legitimacy' to everything the courts do.	[02:41]
decimation	I donno, if jury trial is abolished, one might find many more declared and undeclared 'oath keepers' come out of the woodwork	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	decimation like one did when patriot didn't sunset, right ?	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	country of cowards will straigthen in teh grave.	[02:42]
asciilifeform	this is one reason it is kept. because the supply of pliant cattle is bottomless.	[02:42]
decimation	how does one swat raid the swat team?	[02:42]
Vexual	re	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	decimation: How much are you bidding for the job?	[02:43]
asciilifeform	incidentally, this is why 'fergusons' are created.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	the very thing that keeps average usaschwitz inmate from wishing for dead swat men	[02:43]
asciilifeform	they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	see also mr. mold's 'dalits', and 'yi yi zhi yi.'	[02:44]
Vexual	do i mell tanqueray?	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde. << Very true in the case of Ferguson particulars	[02:44]
asciilifeform	more of a generalized hypothesis.	[02:45]
Vexual	jack daniels?	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the problem here is that you're thinking this in terms of perception,	[02:45]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah which is why the 'oath keepers' who appeared were a serious threat	[02:45]
decimation	!up xinxiwang	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	while it's not much a matter of perception. pure thermodynamics.	[02:46]
Vexual	legioinaires get a passport	[02:46]
Vexual	but you don't get to pretend	[02:47]
decimation	if the 'oath keepers' demostrate that peace can be kept without swat/usg/fed/bureaucracy, 'people' might get the wrong idea	[02:47]
decimation	the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary	[02:47]
decimation	that and to distract from the fact that obama & the dems lost big "we lost but whitey is still racis!!!"	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	decimation> the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary << Hilary's not running. Jim Webb.	[02:48]
decimation	heh	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	decimation listen, the market in security is such that various groups always tend to posture as you know	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	"we're the one you need to pay for rain and sunshine"	[02:50]
decimation	meanwhile on the other side of the river: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html "St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson spoke with residents at the street protest Sunday night. He said he was sorry about what happened and sought to reassure people the killing did not appear motivated by race or ethnicity."	[02:50]
assbot	Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRgv1t )	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	this is the original spark of mob turf wars, too. it's basically free money.	[02:50]
asciilifeform	if a sparrow farts in rural wyoming, it is provably racially motivated.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform depends on the races involved.	[02:50]
asciilifeform	any and all.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	nah, bosnian dude was kinda off-white but not dark enough.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	aha - racial.	[02:51]
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BingoBoingo	I honestly think is was stupid for a mixed gang of Hispanics and Black americans to pick on the Bosnians for lacking melanin.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	im sure they picked on them over disagreements as to how to treat bitchez.	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	In St Louis the Bosnians benefit from geographic concentration and the part where "white" people love living in bosnian neighborhoods	[02:53]
decimation	apparently this video was taken shortly after the Bosian was attacked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIPZ09WcTWk	[02:53]
assbot	Hammers Attack Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygkK4u )	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	My brother the Dentist in little Sarajevo in St Louis feels safer there than in Gretchen Wilson country where he grew up... largely because he assumes his neighbors are so much more armed.	[02:54]
decimation	here's the ny post coverage. dude looks pretty darn white to me (the guy on the st. louis dispatch story is one of the perps) http://nypost.com/2014/12/01/teens-savagely-beat-man-with-hammers-in-random-attack/	[02:56]
assbot	Protests in St. Louis after teens ‘bash man to death’ with hammers \| New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygloPx )	[02:56]
BingoBoingo	A lot of people in the region won't admit it, but yes Bosnians are very white and this worries them.	[02:57]
decimation	BingoBoingo: the fear being that the Bosnians didn't get the memo that they supposed to do whatever usg or the local thugs demand?	[02:59]
asciilifeform	see also chechens.	[03:00]
asciilifeform	u.s. chechen community - remembers.	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	decimation: The fear that people who aren't white are so pissed at whites they are targeting people most whites don't consider white in spite of optics	[03:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: us chechens probably aren't a fan of usg either	[03:01]
asciilifeform	probably?!	[03:01]
decimation	heh	[03:01]
decimation	such a grand strategy usg undertook, to import all of its enemies worldwide and make them citizens so we could all love them with socialism	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[03:02]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F9SBFM.txt )	[03:02]
asciilifeform	their job was to keep rural usa down.	[03:03]
asciilifeform	so far, still performing admirably.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker.	[03:03]
decimation	yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	so google decided spontaneously to redirect me to argentina google.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	still, annoying shit.	[03:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.00036354 = 10.6564 BTC [-] {2}	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	they love the russians, too.	[03:04]
*	BingoBoingo still amazed white StL people don't realize that bosnians are what keep south city habitable	[03:05]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down.	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	rurality is a dead duck everywhere and in all times.	[03:05]
asciilifeform	homo redditicus has no idea what keeps his habitat habitable until - isn't	[03:05]
asciilifeform	dead duck with one trump card - the food.	[03:06]
decimation	yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural	[03:06]
decimation	there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...	[03:06]
asciilifeform	until RuBisCo is fixed and you can grow five men's bread in a pot in the cellar under grow lamp.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform food hasn't been a serious geopolitical issue since about 1600.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	i guess it matters in africa or w/e.	[03:06]
asciilifeform	decimation: see 'death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)	[03:07]
decimation	I have it next to me	[03:07]
decimation	no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box	[03:10]
asciilifeform	point is, city man must subjugate plow man - to live.	[03:10]
hanboti	http://i.imgur.com/IQhOmdI.png	[03:11]
asciilifeform	the latter needs nothing from the former.	[03:11]
asciilifeform	as true now as in babylon.	[03:11]
decimation	asciilifeform: except historically the city man own's the country man's plows & fields	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	eh get out.	[03:11]
asciilifeform	owns - right.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	dude this is like saying guy has to "subjugate" woman, as she needs nothing etc.	[03:11]
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mircea_popescu	if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	"need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	folks line up to be subjugated.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	how else.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	but this is perhaps the only thing they 'need' here.	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-history-heroin-store-joe-job-and-the-bitcointalk-subpoena/	[03:13]
assbot	Bitcoin History: Heroin Store Joe Job and the Bitcointalk Subpoena \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygqaN3 )	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't have to be anymore.	[03:13]
hanboti	http://i.imgur.com/H4V6RJs.gif	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release. << Come one, goats!!!	[03:14]
decimation	note that no one is actually employed plowing anymore, except by usg, and those plows are automated machines	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.	[03:14]
asciilifeform	decimation: replaced oxen to subjugate farmer. just like lenin did.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	that the sheer entertainment value of it al is what motivated 99% of the movement.	[03:15]
asciilifeform	or thought he would love.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	the remainder... they're a statistic.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	no, genuinely loved it.	[03:15]
asciilifeform	see mircea_popescu's example of hollywood girl.	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	but aha, death in the great belomor canal, or in trenches, is exciting. wish i had some right now.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it	[03:16]
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BingoBoingo	!up xinxiwang	[03:16]
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mircea_popescu	it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.	[03:16]
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decimation	actually the few farm folks I knew generally loved the farm, hated the city	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	"soviets are a fairytale come true"	[03:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'мы рождены чтоб сказку сделать былью!'	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	decimation this is a very specific thing, tho. rural russian kid cca 1920.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksh308RiGzM	[03:17]
assbot	Мы рождены, чтоб сказку сделать былью - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmgwb )	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.	[03:17]
decimation	heh okay	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite.	[03:17]
decimation	a modern us farmer is basically a machinist/engineer	[03:17]
asciilifeform	lol, german version	[03:17]
decimation	they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, http://trilema.com/2010/lich/	[03:17]
assbot	Lich pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmrYg )	[03:17]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbW_JaCm05A << orig.	[03:18]
assbot	Авиамарш "Всё выше" Soviet Air Force March - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmu6m )	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	!up toffoo	[03:18]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile on other side of the bering straits, http://i.imgur.com/H4V6RJs.gif	[03:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ygs1kR )	[03:19]
asciilifeform	lol!!	[03:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00037638 = 1.769 BTC [+]	[03:20]
decimation	maybe he was one of the famous 'bums of san francisco' who mistook the escalator for a toilet http://heavy.com/news/2012/07/transit-escalators-clogged-with-insane-amounts-of-human-turd/	[03:20]
assbot	San Fran Escalators Clogged w/ Insane Amounts of Human Turd \| Heavy.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygsFyT )	[03:20]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjF7PcVKYho	[03:23]
assbot	Мёртвая страна. 20 лет без СССР - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygtyY6 )	[03:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up astRocreep	[03:25]
-assbot-	You voiced astRocreep for 30 minutes.	[03:25]
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decimation	http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/30/spike-in-russian-air-force-activity-in-europe-may-be-a-reaction-to-large-us-strategic-command-bombers-exercise/	[03:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ygumfC )	[03:25]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17gvKbhVeA	[03:26]
assbot	Russia’s nuclear sub test-fires Bulava strategic missile - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguxYt )	[03:26]
asciilifeform	^ they are conducting a whole series of made-for-youtube 'yeah they still work motherfuckers' tests.	[03:27]
decimation	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/russian-bombers-buzz-us-defense-systems-coast-cali/?page=all	[03:27]
assbot	Russian bombers buzz U.S. defense systems off coast of California - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguE6a )	[03:27]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFx3gLs9K74 << from inside	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	lol bulava stil lfire ?!	[03:27]
assbot	Bulava Test: First footage inside nuclear submarine launching missile - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguKLh )	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	ahahah	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	lol nice static.	[03:29]
*	asciilifeform will be more convinced once ru demonstrates a still-functioning nuke	[03:30]
decimation	'tzar bomba'?	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	i dunno that the bulava pose any sort of threat to anyone these days tho.	[03:31]
asciilifeform	of any size	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	it's roughly like firing a tank in slow motion at someone.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah, sure, if they wait for it they'll get crushed.	[03:31]
asciilifeform	perfectly ordinary ballistic rocket.	[03:31]
asciilifeform	what's the slow part?	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	half the planes in active duty can shoot one down ?	[03:32]
decimation	???	[03:32]
asciilifeform	point of firing from sub	[03:32]
asciilifeform	yes, rocket on launch pad - can be shot with rifle.	[03:32]
asciilifeform	no airplane needed	[03:32]
asciilifeform	but put the rifleman there first.	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	afaik the classical approach mostly intercepts them at perihelion	[03:34]
decimation	like, in space?	[03:34]
asciilifeform	classical approach also has the rocket traverse from wherever to washington in 30 min.	[03:34]
asciilifeform	as many as required.	[03:34]
asciilifeform	(and conversely)	[03:35]
decimation	yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase	[03:35]
asciilifeform	see also the american 'domino's pizza' bunker door ad.	[03:35]
asciilifeform	can fire death rays at falling cones but this is what the decoy barrels are for.	[03:35]
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BingoBoingo	Another /. submission http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4029519	[03:36]
assbot	Bitcoin History: A Reverse Joe Job and A Subpoena - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxisy )	[03:36]
decimation	right, and death rays are also terribly common	[03:36]
decimation	err, not terribly common	[03:36]
asciilifeform	in usa, fascination with death rays	[03:36]
asciilifeform	potential of absorbing infinite money, the real military win.	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.	[03:36]
decimation	http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/missiles-wmds/what-terminal-velocity-icbm-11609/ << "This 1963 RAND study suggests typically between 7.5 and 9.5 km/s depending on atmospheric entry angle and certain individual boost phase parameters."	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	so your "i'll trust them when they use one" is kinda an unfairly distant bridge.	[03:37]
assbot	What is a terminal velocity of an ICBM? - Defense Technology & Military Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxvMp )	[03:37]
asciilifeform	rocket is a 'memento mori.'	[03:37]
asciilifeform	for otherwise-ineducable imbeciles.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	decimation terminal velocity is not the point.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.	[03:38]
*	BingoBoingo always imagined a perfect "nuclear power" untouchable datacenter would target DC, Beijing, Moscow, and Mecca for its dead hand protocol	[03:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 24 decoy cones. sop.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[03:39]
asciilifeform	mr bush's bezzlemeisters were unable to reliably pop even one - and fitted with beacon at that.	[03:39]
decimation	also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)	[03:39]
asciilifeform	the entire subject quietly went away.	[03:39]
asciilifeform	decimation: the traditionally beloved pill is particle weapons	[03:40]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there	[03:40]
assbot	Boeing YAL-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRqZxU )	[03:40]
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asciilifeform	decimation: notice - intended to shoot opponent's rocket during launch.	[03:41]
asciilifeform	not fall.	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Which lonely place was that video about?	[03:41]
decimation	asciilifeform: yes, this seems like a more likely attack method honestly	[03:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: all of them.	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	Damn	[03:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo can make similar film about usa.	[03:42]
asciilifeform	no shortage of towns.	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: One was already made, torrent "Birth of a Nation" Next step has yet to be made.	[03:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: point is not that it is physically impossible to shoot a falling cone. but that it is a thermodynamic race that the rocket man - wins. and the death ray man - loses.	[03:42]
asciilifeform	because of sheer difference in complexity and cost.	[03:43]
asciilifeform	see also thread:	[03:43]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934	[03:43]
assbot	Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	death rays aren't really going anywhere, but anyway	[03:43]
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BingoBoingo	Shhh....	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	but it won't be this magical laser thing	[03:44]
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*	BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...	[03:48]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	Seriously epic dream.	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	Lizard hitler has nothing on hawk hitler... dunno I want to disclose how I ended in that scenario...	[03:52]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[12:28]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[12:28]
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mircea_popescu	lol hi ?	[12:29]
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mircea_popescu	lol hi ?	[12:30]
BingoBoingo	lol https://imgur.com/I36GOfL	[12:32]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykFCvf )	[12:32]
nubbins`	it's like inflammable	[12:33]
nubbins`	which means... flammable	[12:33]
kakobrekla	jurov do you know why trezor guys went with "m/44'/0'/0'/0/0"	[12:33]
punkman	because crazy	[12:33]
kakobrekla	hm?	[12:33]
jurov	ask slush or st\|ck	[12:34]
jurov	they answer on #bitcoin.cz sometimes	[12:34]
kakobrekla	oki ty	[12:34]
jurov	and..care to explain why's that a problem?	[12:34]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what could possibly go wrong.	[12:35]
BingoBoingo	The fish get constipated?	[12:36]
kakobrekla	its not a problem.	[12:36]
BingoBoingo	Could be a big problem. Constipation is a leading killer of goldfish.	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	punkman dude srsly, where do i link to stuff.	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	how long is teh notary gonna be ded ?	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	cazalla: plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking! << we'll talk once your kid grows up a little. it's not about you. it's about the Vladimir Lenin All-Union Pioneer Organization.	[12:41]
punkman	mircea_popescu: hoping to get it back up by end of week	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	sooo after mah reporting ends ?	[12:43]
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mircea_popescu	looky here : i can't pay teh foundation its tax because i can't link to a justificative document. wtf do i do now ?	[12:44]
punkman	link to logs :P	[12:46]
BingoBoingo	At least not only MPIF has problems http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-01/hedge-funds-see-worst-year-for-closures-since-2009.html	[12:47]
assbot	Hedge Funds Shut as Managers Struggle in Year of Two Percent Returns - Bloomberg	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	text's not in there sadly.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ?	[12:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 )	[12:49]
punkman	website can go back up if kakobrekla turns it on	[12:49]
BingoBoingo	Oh, look at the job ad on the side of the bloomberg article https://missionessential.csod.com/ats/careersite/JobDetails.aspx?id=14	[12:49]
assbot	Job Details - Empowering People: Mission Essential ... ( http://bit.ly/11UcEFG )	[12:49]
BingoBoingo	Also revisiting the why does AK need rails piece http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/7-G41026.jpg is a commercial product offered for sale	[12:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ykL7dk )	[12:54]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ? << i've got a copy of mine with SHA512	[12:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl )	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	send it to j ?	[12:56]
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mod6	jurov: http://dpaste.com/0GS2ZEQ	[12:57]
assbot	dpaste: 0GS2ZEQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykMdWD )	[12:57]
jurov	just send it to btc-dev mailing list	[12:57]
mod6	ok	[12:57]
jurov	will be a good testing sample for piling up the signatures	[12:58]
mod6	I sent it... hmm isn't showing up for me in the archive yet	[13:03]
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jurov	invalid signature.. looks like our friend wordwrap	[13:04]
mod6	is it because it wasn't wrapped at 80 cols or whatever?	[13:04]
mod6	ok	[13:04]
mod6	yeah	[13:04]
mod6	f	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	!up kdomanski	[13:04]
-assbot-	You voiced kdomanski for 30 minutes.	[13:04]
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mod6	lemme see if i can arm-wrestle with 'fing-gmail	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	all email gets 80 col wrapped, if the original isn't so wrapped you can't get it to ever verify.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	mebbe send as attachment ?	[13:05]
jurov	http://btc.yt/declaration.asc	[13:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/11UgZbS )	[13:06]
mod6	ok thanks Jurov	[13:06]
jurov	http://btc.yt/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << mod6 read carefully	[13:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/11Uh6nQ )	[13:06]
mod6	nod sorry, forgot that the orig wasn't wrapped.	[13:07]
jurov	yes, there are ways how to avoid problems described	[13:08]
jurov	lol i realized the foundation's activity last month can be best described as "DNS scavenging"	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:09]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/12/justice-departments-subpoena-to-theymos-of-bitcointalk/	[13:10]
assbot	Justice Department's Subpoena to Theymos of Bitcointalk \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11Ui5EE )	[13:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen badon	[13:15]
gribble	badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: Yes, I'm doing that now.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	this barrier to entry :D	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	it's like the good days of the 90s all over again. "oh, you don't have a computer at home ? THEN YOU CANT PLAY WITH US!"	[13:15]
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mircea_popescu	"but but but... i have an atari ?"	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	"bwahahahhhaha"	[13:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00035738 = 3.7168 BTC [-]	[13:18]
mod6	ok: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000021.html	[13:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/11Uk5gc )	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	danke!	[13:18]
mod6	np :]	[13:19]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5tbg/open_letter_to_gaw_miners_and_josh/	[13:19]
assbot	Open Letter to GAW Miners and Josh : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/11UkoHZ )	[13:19]
BingoBoingo	^ Guy bought a lot of GAW stuff, now pissed	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"You have said that you want Paycoin to take over bitcoin a coin that you said you dont believe in"	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	ahaha	[13:22]
jurov	oh mod6 i forgot to suggest to send it as "patch" so that people can just add signatures.. nm, i'll add it there somehow	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	dude such typical scammer behaviour. "set an impossible goal for your ponzi scheme, at least the chumps can then pretend they failed doing something important"	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	here's a newsflash : idiots defrauded by garza haven't "lost their money trying to take over bitcoin" anymore than the idiots defrauded by buterin & the us propaganda machine through the etherium scam have lost their money "trying to take over bitcoin"	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	you weren't in any sense and at any point trying to "take over bitcoin", or anything else for that matter.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	you just... gave a scammer... some of your money. because you're stupid. whole story.	[13:25]
danielpbarron	what's the deal with ethereum going to counterparty? I'm curious as to how your short contracts will play out..	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	you mean my short contracts that NOBODY ABSOLUTELY bought ?	[13:26]
danielpbarron	oh i thought one guy did	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	for the reason that you know, nobody absolutely had any ethereum in the first place ?	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	people are internet-interested, which is to say, up until that point when the wallet has to come out.	[13:26]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/12/02/yoan_moncada_is_it_now_legal_for_cuban_ballplayers_to_leave_their_country.html << US office of foreign assets control now impounds and reviews... Baseball players before import	[13:26]
assbot	Yoan Moncada: Is It Now Legal for Cuban Ballplayers to Leave Their Country and Join the Major Leagues? ... ( http://bit.ly/11Umqrp )	[13:26]
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mod6	jurov: nice work on your Nov. statement btw. ty!	[13:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00034967 = 5.857 BTC [-] {2}	[13:52]
jurov	heh i never imagined myself being a beancounter	[13:58]
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davout	jurov: you're turning jew	[14:04]
jurov	oh my... even had circumcision	[14:04]
BingoBoingo	Save your self, run to the bacon and ham.	[14:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00034299 = 15.1602 BTC [-] {3}	[14:05]
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Anduck	!up artifexd	[14:59]
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Anduck	oops	[14:59]
Anduck	!up arij	[14:59]
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Anduck	arij: you're voiced already	[14:59]
arij	thank you	[14:59]
arij	can some one please point me in the direction of whoever maintains bitcoin-assets.com?	[15:00]
Anduck	i'd guess mircea_popescu	[15:00]
Anduck	or kakobrekla	[15:00]
nubbins`	maybe kakobrekla	[15:00]
nubbins`	various people are in charge of the subdomains	[15:00]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla runs the main site	[15:01]
arij	thank you	[15:01]
nubbins`	WHY DO YOU ASK	[15:01]
Anduck	why is deeds down?	[15:01]
Anduck	nubbins`: ^ ansawh me	[15:01]
Anduck	you should know !	[15:01]
arij	i wanted to offer hosting on behalf of bitvps for a mirror, or whatever else bitcoin-assets may need	[15:01]
Anduck	who runs deeds anyway?	[15:01]
nubbins`	punkman	[15:02]
kakobrekla	deeds is punkman, search is mthreat the rest is me	[15:02]
nubbins`	and i guess it's having issues	[15:02]
Anduck	what kind of issues	[15:02]
nubbins`	it seems to come and go	[15:02]
arij	hey kakobrekla, pm?	[15:02]
nubbins`	work in progress i guess	[15:02]
kakobrekla	sure	[15:02]
nubbins`	arij doing his part for la serenissima	[15:02]
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rithm	nubbins`, i finally bought a mtte and fram for that print	[15:03]
rithm	!	[15:03]
nubbins`	right on!	[15:04]
rithm	i'll send you a pic once it's hung in the studio	[15:04]
nubbins`	some kid named johnny cowabunga bought the rights to use it for an album cover :0	[15:04]
rithm	nice	[15:04]
nubbins`	heh yep	[15:04]
rithm	it's perfect hanging in a music studio then	[15:04]
nubbins`	http://secreteast.ca/2014/10/secret-east-tv-a-night-in-with-jonny-the-cowabungas-a-night-in-live-sessions-episode-2/	[15:05]
assbot	Secret East TV: A Night In With Jonny & The Cowabungas (A Night In Sessions Ep. 2) \| Secret East ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0xyE4 )	[15:05]
rithm	i bought the frame and matte for my heisenberg woodcut too	[15:05]
rithm	a bright orange thick matte	[15:05]
rithm	and ornate black wooden frame	[15:05]
nubbins`	woodcuts are nice	[15:06]
rithm	actually it was linoleum	[15:06]
rithm	iirc	[15:06]
rithm	heavy stock though	[15:07]
rithm	2013 bitcoin black friday 1 of 19	[15:07]
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rithm	http://www.prinnnt.com/collections/posters/products/walter-by-tucker-schreiber	[15:08]
assbot	Walter Relief Print by Tucker Schreiber ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0yuIw )	[15:08]
rithm	maybe on 9 of em	[15:08]
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BingoBoingo	!up jborkl	[15:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5024 @ 0.00021 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}	[15:21]
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nubbins`	that's really nice	[15:34]
kakobrekla	!up arij	[15:35]
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jborkl	Hello	[15:39]
jborkl	thanks to the ddos bot, real mature	[15:40]
nubbins`	there's a ddos bot?	[15:40]
nubbins`	XD	[15:40]
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jborkl	Any story behind all the SMPOE selling?	[15:43]
BingoBoingo	Not yet	[15:43]
nubbins`	!t m s.mpoe	[15:44]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036449 / 0.00038342 (1070582 shares, 390.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035376 / 0.00041472 (10731263 shares, 3,796.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00045549 / 0.00086038 (29859418 shares, 13,600.91 BTC)	[15:44]
nubbins`	dat 30d	[15:45]
jborkl	They were pushing hard, thats for sure	[15:45]
nubbins`	a better question is: any story behind S.MPOE > 0.8 ;D	[15:45]
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BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/12/new-york-dfs-publishes-all-bitlicense-comments/	[16:56]
assbot	New York DFS Publishes all Bitlicense Comments \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygeLS9 )	[16:56]
asciilifeform	'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.'	[16:57]
asciilifeform	^ lol!	[16:57]
asciilifeform	(first comment)	[16:57]
asciilifeform	'how the world works!'	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00036155 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}	[16:57]
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asciilifeform	a large number appear to be identical.	[17:00]
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asciilifeform	'river of meat' campaign ?	[17:00]
BingoBoingo	Many lols indeed, but I really dun want to test the limits of how far a blockquote tage can be stretched...	[17:00]
asciilifeform	not readable on account of meat puppets.	[17:02]
asciilifeform	try it.	[17:02]
asciilifeform	somebody (does anyone give a shit?) could crawl the thing and deduplicate.	[17:02]
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TomServo	I seem to recall someone publishing a form letter to be sent to Lawlsky; I wouldn't be surprised by tons of dupes.	[17:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32634 @ 0.00036165 = 11.8021 BTC [+]	[17:42]
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asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/GkSO4PZ << for BingoBoingo, other jungle men	[17:46]
assbot	thermocouple - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/12vuTlI )	[17:46]
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asciilifeform	http://islandbreath.blogspot.com/2011/05/tyranny-of-temporary.html << crackpot article with better photo of above	[17:50]
assbot	Ea O Ka Aina: The Tyranny of the Temporary	[17:50]
asciilifeform	these were pre-peltierjunction devices. dissimilar metals / seebeck's effect.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason.	[17:51]
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undata	oh linux configuration management tools, the wrong solution to the wrong problem...	[17:58]
undata	burn it to the ground; this field can't be saved	[17:58]
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asciilifeform	for serious thermocouple folks: http://www.neazoi.com/technology/thermocouple.htm	[18:04]
assbot	neazoi ... ( http://bit.ly/1yhxh7Z )	[18:04]
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BingoBoingo	Beautiful	[18:17]
BingoBoingo	tap natural gas storage salt dome, build tower of fire, power miners in hedgehog	[18:22]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: terrible waste	[18:22]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel.	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	Sure, for whoever put the gas there	[18:22]
asciilifeform	this is more of a shortwavecoin apocalypse gizmo.	[18:23]
BingoBoingo	But if you want to broadcast, same solution... tower of fire	[18:24]
asciilifeform	tower of fire << for smoke signals - sure	[18:24]
asciilifeform	for thermocouples - you want more of a potbelly stove, with long chimney	[18:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00036861 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2}	[18:27]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[18:27]
undata	asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste << yes but tower of fire	[18:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00036896 = 8.2278 BTC [+] {2}	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/03/1759238/twitter-should-use-random-sample-voting-for-abuse-reports << Person encourages twitter to go to a still darker side	[18:34]
assbot	Twitter Should Use Random Sample Voting For Abuse Reports - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguGQp )	[18:34]
undata	BingoBoingo: that's clever, get the peasants to silence each other	[18:35]
BingoBoingo	Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already	[18:36]
asciilifeform	if interesting, get the fuck out of kolkhoz ('twitter', arsebook, etc.) and on real www	[18:36]
BingoBoingo	Thing was moderately interesting as RSS for dummies, but...	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted	[18:40]
BingoBoingo	Now the entire internet from 1999 on needs to be tossed to fix the problem	[18:44]
asciilifeform	!?	[18:44]
undata	rss is still working just fine for me	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	What was wrong with excite.com and yahoo as a phone book?	[18:46]
undata	if we're hitting reset on things, can I have a computer too?	[18:46]
asciilifeform	phone book ?	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees	[18:47]
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undata	on this alt-history internet, can we have a lisp instead of JS?	[18:48]
BingoBoingo	Why not?	[18:49]
asciilifeform	directory of what, and by whom ?	[18:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxGfS )	[18:49]
asciilifeform	i propose now a new and improved tax for usg: the -shitlicense-.	[18:50]
asciilifeform	no one may take a shit without paying. per gram.	[18:50]
asciilifeform	considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense'	[18:51]
undata	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-G4HATiC8	[18:51]
assbot	TSA Eric Cartman "Toilet Safety Administration" Gerald Broflovski - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxQ6V )	[18:51]
asciilifeform	you read it here phirst (tm)	[18:51]
BingoBoingo	!b 6	[18:51]
assbot	Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3AKGKTW.txt )	[18:51]
undata	this blackjack and hookers browser has no DOM, no filthy CSS	[18:54]
undata	you get a canvas	[18:55]
asciilifeform	undata: the whole concept of 'web browser' is ultimately braindamaged. see one of my articles - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309	[18:55]
assbot	Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/11VMIcS )	[18:55]
undata	asciilifeform: "It’s maybe what happens when physicists decide to play with computers, I’m not sure." << hear hear	[18:59]
undata	then we try to bastardize the thing into an actual programming environment	[18:59]
undata	I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath	[18:59]
BingoBoingo	Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol	[18:59]
undata	asciilifeform: he mentions X; I've pondered coming up with a little protocol to talk to a canvas tag with	[19:01]
asciilifeform	canvas tag?	[19:02]
asciilifeform	do i even want to know.	[19:02]
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BingoBoingo	No, you don't	[19:04]
undata	asciilifeform: a box you can either draw in 2D upon, or stick webgl in	[19:05]
asciilifeform	an 'html5'-ism ?	[19:05]
undata	I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it	[19:06]
asciilifeform	reminds me of something i wrote once: a kind of simple 'lisp machine' in 'adobe flash' bytecode. never published, because realized that the whole idea is braindamaged and will encourage further braindamage if anyone were to use it	[19:06]
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undata	asciilifeform: haha, clojurescript is a clojure -> JS compiler	[19:07]
undata	abstractions atop abstractions atop ...	[19:08]
undata	asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"	[19:09]
asciilifeform	afaik there is still no www browser that correctly implements the whole pile of shit as an invariant	[19:09]
undata	I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan	[19:09]
undata	for their OS	[19:09]
asciilifeform	that is, with a hard guarantee of no deviation whatsoever between versions and platforms	[19:09]
undata	every release adds more "OS" stuff	[19:09]
asciilifeform	not one pixel's worth	[19:09]
jurov	BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...	[19:09]
jurov	... for desert ariculture	[19:09]
undata	asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen	[19:10]
asciilifeform	folks who write spec often forget that a spec is a cheque that someone's pair of hands needs to cash	[19:11]
asciilifeform	or it's empty words.	[19:11]
asciilifeform	http://arrdem.com/2014/11/28/the_future_of_the_lispm << unrelated mega-lol	[19:12]
assbot	The Future of the LispM · f $ [T, T] → T	[19:12]
asciilifeform	author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored.	[19:13]
asciilifeform	if he's in here, let him speak up!	[19:14]
joecool	so sensational	[19:14]
asciilifeform	(no one bothered to tell me about the piece, i ran into it by sheer accident.)	[19:15]
asciilifeform	possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in.	[19:15]
asciilifeform	snore.	[19:19]
undata	I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in	[19:19]
asciilifeform	'figuring out rocket engines is hard work. let's pile more bricks on this here tower of babel. so what if it's already prolapsed in ten thousand places. more bricks, more chairs, old cars, corpses of slaves. big enough river of meat - we shall go to victory. come join my river of meat.' -- summary of this and 100+ similarly idiotic answers to my articles.	[19:20]
undata	asciilifeform: somebody has to organize it, and fund it	[19:21]
undata	otherwise, shit pile	[19:21]
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asciilifeform	if >1 head - shitpile.	[19:21]
asciilifeform	i stand by this.	[19:21]
undata	yeah, I can see that	[19:22]
asciilifeform	in practice, a handful of people can be involved, but result must be a 1-head item.	[19:22]
undata	can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?	[19:22]
asciilifeform	sure.	[19:22]
asciilifeform	chuck moore did this with forth.	[19:22]
asciilifeform	the trick is to realize how many of the 'mandatory' features are actually anything but.	[19:23]
asciilifeform	required reading: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/utah2000/utah2000.html	[19:24]
assbot	Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (aka utah2000 or utah2k) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygACcp )	[19:24]
asciilifeform	see the 'standards' section. then - take a piss on it.	[19:24]
asciilifeform	burn it all.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	year zero, motherfuckers.	[19:25]
undata	asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space	[19:28]
undata	but I'm not yet qualified to express that opinion	[19:28]
asciilifeform	because plagiarism and pious fraud works better with serial numbers filed off.	[19:29]
undata	asciilifeform: vaguely lispy functional programming stuff in python, etc	[19:29]
asciilifeform	also because there are armies of imbeciles (and their herders) who 'must stay relevant!' at whatever cost.	[19:30]
asciilifeform	see, e.g, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849	[19:31]
assbot	Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB2PX )	[19:31]
assbot	Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5uY )	[19:31]
assbot	Loper OS » Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5v4 )	[19:31]
assbot	Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5vc )	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[19:37]
gribble	Current Blocks: 332752 \| Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 \| Next Difficulty In: 1903 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 53 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 32967993286.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: -17.59541	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	wouldja look at that.	[19:37]
mike_c	don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00036524 = 2.6688 BTC [-]	[19:39]
undata	asciilifeform: oh dear, yet more to suggest that nobody in this "economy" can think	[19:39]
undata	and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.	[19:39]
asciilifeform	undata: glad you enjoyed. i think there may even be one or two people in #b-a who ended up here on account of it.	[19:40]
undata	what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	The one in Adobe Flash bytecode	[19:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: dafuq's the point	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?	[19:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: see, the thing about braindamage is that there is always one answer that costs nothing:	[19:42]
asciilifeform	!s nonparticipation	[19:42]
assbot	6 results for 'nonparticipation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nonparticipation	[19:42]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690	[19:42]
assbot	Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your will from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of your will changes everything and forever. With your own will s	[19:42]
*	undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate	[19:43]
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asciilifeform	idea is, roughly, 1) to avoid the kinds of participation that can be avoided; and, 2) try to expand the set in (1).	[19:44]
asciilifeform	now, observation: what kind of existing-computing-infrastructure project -is- worth participating in? (voluntarily, rather than because of starvation)	[19:46]
asciilifeform	answer: the kind that -removes- chairs from the babel pile.	[19:46]
asciilifeform	because the larger the pile, the more otherwise-reasonable folks say 'you cannot build a rationally built structure as tall as this pile, as glorious, without using old chairs and dead squirrels'	[19:47]
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BingoBoingo	!up markedathome	[19:48]
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asciilifeform	so, the bitcoind cleanup thing is conceivably useful, because end result could be the book i asked for, and a year or so from now i (or someone else) can read it, and build rational design.	[19:48]
BingoBoingo	To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?	[19:49]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo is quite mistaken in his picture of the missing parts.	[19:49]
asciilifeform	can't speak for others, but the thing i personally lack is - elementarily - time.	[19:50]
BingoBoingo	I thought it was sufficiently endowed rocket to enable time and a Yurt.	[19:50]
asciilifeform	well yes.	[19:51]
undata	asciilifeform: 1) sell cardano 2) get rich 3) fix computing	[19:51]
asciilifeform	i'm thick in (1) but 2, 3 are quasi-mythical dream.	[19:52]
asciilifeform	even if everyone suddenly desires to buy one, i half expect to be killed somewhere on the road between 1 and 2.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/	[19:54]
assbot	The Romanian language for other people. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygCUbw )	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	.1 BTC prize involved.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	some kid named johnny cowabunga bought << nfw ?!	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	i thought everyone knew this (at least, the hypothesis)	[20:00]
asciilifeform	!s egyptian battery	[20:00]
assbot	0 results for 'egyptian battery' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=egyptian+battery	[20:00]
asciilifeform	damn.	[20:00]
mats_cd03	hi butties	[20:00]
mats_cd03	how are we all doing tonight	[20:00]
asciilifeform	iirc, archaeologists were still holding pissing matches over it.	[20:00]
asciilifeform	ordinary chemical pile, though, based on certain finds	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	Someone graduated from Preet's stable https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/540277211400392704	[20:01]
assbot	You heard it here first: Lead prosecutor on U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's London Whale cases is going to prominent defense firm.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense' <<< lol what, vespasian v2.0 ?	[20:01]
asciilifeform	!s urinetown	[20:01]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2014#944222 [citation needed]	[20:01]
assbot	3 results for 'urinetown' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=urinetown	[20:01]
assbot	Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what else was he going to do you know ?	[20:02]
mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: looks like you're planning future work for ro translations of trilema stuff huh?	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	kinda how it goes, pretend like you're a tough ass prosecutor for a few years, get a juicy private practice contract.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/parthian_battery.php	[20:02]
assbot	Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Parthian Battery (Ancient Iranians, The Inventors of Battery) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUm61 )	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 playing with things.	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Challenge Preet in single's combat to take over as Bezzel Arbiter for Manhattan	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	noty.	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	this is not like saying "go on a blind date with an unqualified woman", but like saying "take a random dude as a slave 5.8mn times"	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather drink bleach.	[20:03]
asciilifeform	http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baghdad_battery << the mega-skeptics chime in	[20:04]
assbot	Baghdad battery - RationalWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUGBT )	[20:04]
*	adlai wonders how sassanid scientists discovered this effect	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	adlai you know how chloroform was discovered ?	[20:04]
adlai	wikipedia might	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	left handed derp broke some lab glass, passed out.	[20:05]
asciilifeform	the 'tingle' hypothesis suggests another likely use.	[20:05]
asciilifeform	did original artifact contain a cock-sized orifice ?	[20:05]
*	BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.	[20:05]
adlai	"660 000 tonnes per year, and about 90 % of emissions are natural" TIL	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo nah, the girl actually lives and breathes.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	", and no ancient electroplated artifacts have been identfied." << bs.	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	Ah, I thought maybe whoever conquered Tyrone took the women and left the dick girl.	[20:06]
asciilifeform	electroplated artifacts << since found ?	[20:07]
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adlai	mircea_popescu: facts don't check out, but 'the story is true': "Chloroform was discovered by accident in 1831 when eccentric American chemist Dr Samuel Guthrie mixed hen house disinfectant with whisky." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20050728.shtml	[20:07]
assbot	BBC - Radio 4 - The Material World 07/04/2005 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNV837 )	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.	[20:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29041 @ 0.0003618 = 10.507 BTC [-]	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	pretending like "no X were found" is, you know, whatevs.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	last i recall, they assume 'electroless' plating and rest.	[20:09]
*	adlai likes the speculation that artifacts throught to be gold are just electroplated	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	right right.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	now, if you find an item that could only have been plated electrically - then.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	but i don't happen to favour that sort of standard of evidence.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	incas, in particular, were rather handy with electroless plating.	[20:09]
BingoBoingo	OMG eletroplating doubters are like intermediate species doubters	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	im not in the business of proving to a bunch of idiots that they're wrong.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	arguably this got them killed.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	im in the business of trying to form an idea of wtf happened.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	(how did conquistadors get the idea of massive inca gold? easy - shown outlandish heaps of 'gold' junk. which was in fact plated.)	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	el dorado you mean ?	[20:11]
asciilifeform	aha.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	you know dorado means GILT not golden right ?	[20:12]
asciilifeform	right	[20:12]
asciilifeform	the gilded [place]	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	More on how the US treats informants http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia	[20:12]
assbot	'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNVMNX )	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so i'd posit it has nothing to do with gold, olr with "gems" which they claimed the streets are paved with (most of which - obsydian).	[20:13]
asciilifeform	inception of the notion - nothing to do with anything but the usual avarice	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	it has everything to do with wanting to motivate euros to get the fuck there, much like the wild stories propping up the south sea bubble	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	Turns out underwear bomber was likely very cooperative because he thought the CIA would bring the FBI in on this whole informant thing.	[20:13]
asciilifeform	but massive piles of possibly-gold kept it going long past expiration date.	[20:13]
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mircea_popescu	the ways common psychology works, the ways people motivate themselves to do things they'll do anyway...	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	take woman with cock in her mouth. she's there because "the guy really respects her" right ? and "he has a great sense of humor" right ?	[20:14]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: notice date on article. the only interesting aspect, arguably, is how the whole thing vanished neatly into 'the memory hole' without a trace.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	not because cock fits quite well in her mouth.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	just so, these dudes were going there because "el dorado", not because... whatever, empty space.	[20:14]
BingoBoingo	Oh shit!!! asciilifeform Fuck that was a while ago.	[20:14]
undata	however they've done this, bravo...	[20:15]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: informants << ever read 'mother night' (k. vonnegut) ?	[20:15]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: there is also, for the impatient, a mostly-passable film	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	Not yet. Need too. Will look tonight	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo remember that piracy is theft.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	you wouldn't download a car	[20:16]
adlai	"The ‘batteries’ were among objects looted from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad during the invasion by the USA and its allies in 2003. It is not known where they are now or if they even still exist." http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208	[20:16]
assbot	The ‘batteries of Babylon’ \| Bad Archaeology ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNWcUL )	[20:16]
asciilifeform	a stooge can have no possible guarantee of not being thrown into the woodchipper at whatever convenient later time by his patron.	[20:16]
BingoBoingo	Who said anything about downloading... It's probably in one of the piles of processed tree corpses in the garage.	[20:16]
asciilifeform	this is what makes him a stooge and not a partner.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	oh check it out, the us warcrimes list includes wartime looting!	[20:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf	[20:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FNWw5N )	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	such rogue state wow.	[20:18]
asciilifeform	^ l33t w4r3z	[20:18]
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undata	I'm still stuck on the CIA having given a bomb to a guy who boarded a plane	[20:19]
undata	this being public knowledge	[20:19]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the 'baghdad battery' is an example of a subject that is virtually impossible to research on the net - on account of it being a favourite of ten thousand kinds of prolix idiot, and consequently shunned by most thinking folks	[20:19]
asciilifeform	sorta like trying to get a sense of the lesser-known work of n. tesla.	[20:20]
asciilifeform	at least with him, a good bit of material survived	[20:20]
asciilifeform	and one can, if so inclined, read it	[20:20]
undata	this inversion of belief and reality...	[20:20]
asciilifeform	!s crank bait	[20:21]
assbot	15 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait	[20:21]
asciilifeform	^ full explanation.	[20:21]
asciilifeform	crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.	[20:22]
adlai	ditto for studies on the objective and subjective effects of 'oiling' the thinking machine with various alkaloids, terpenoids, etc	[20:23]
asciilifeform	but in such a way that, by professing whatever belief in it, you write yourself out of 'polite society' permanently	[20:23]
asciilifeform	because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like.	[20:23]
adlai	lots of interesting data, and orders of magnitude more nonsense obscuring it	[20:23]
asciilifeform	that's another thing altogether.	[20:24]
undata	what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane	[20:24]
asciilifeform	^ prime example of 'fda grade-A' crank bait.	[20:24]
undata	there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so	[20:24]
undata	a person who can do that is a danger to everyone	[20:24]
undata	there's a distinction there between one who can lie, and one who doesn't know it's a lie	[20:25]
asciilifeform	the hole was not a secret (not for long, anyway). but anyone of any note, who believed 'his lying eyes' and spoke out in public - is now written out of the script.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	permanently.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	this is among the sharpest and most-used tools in the reptilian toolkit.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	works great.	[20:26]
undata	this, that there's a script which is expected to precede that which my own eyes tell me	[20:26]
undata	the religion rootkit, whatever you want to call that	[20:27]
undata	what troubles me is whether that thing has a legitimate use, or whether there are particular humans that are irredeemably broken	[20:27]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481991	[20:28]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2014 16:46:43; mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600	[20:28]
asciilifeform	does 'the pear' have 'legitimate use' ? what kind of question even is that? matter of taste.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	fact is, if works, will be used.	[20:28]
ben_vulpes	fact is, if works, will be used. << so much this	[20:29]
undata	"if works" << that's the whole point, isn't it?	[20:30]
undata	these do not work	[20:31]
asciilifeform	betcha that uterus-extractor works great.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-11-2014#936618	[20:32]
assbot	Logged on 27-11-2014 08:57:03; mircea_popescu: decimation: sign, google or apple, pick your poison <<< yeah, isn't chrome basically one of those spammy "toolbars" they had for netscape that sort-of mutated into being its own browser ?	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like. << a sword that cuts both ways.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane << of course. why not ?	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	undata> there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so << yes. this class of people is called "women".	[20:34]
asciilifeform	or 'all the security cams just happened to fail that day. act of god. whatcha looking at.'	[20:34]
undata	mircea_popescu: dunno, I've met plenty without tits	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	"Then, God be bless'd, it is the blessed sun: but sun it is not, when you say it is not; and the moon changes even as your mind. What you will have it named, even that it is; and so it shall be so for Katharina."	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	tits aren't really required.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't find it hard to believe us security sucks.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	i know this from experience, so does anyone else in any way involved with any aspect thereof.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	such on day x, works great on x-1 and x+1, aha.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	*sucks on	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	eh it never worked great.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	you ever saw asterix & obelix ?	[20:36]
asciilifeform	aha.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	when it wants to work - it works.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	ever wondered how these dudes in their very distinctive gear manage to go in and out of the roman camp ?	[20:37]
asciilifeform	or, also example, the popular image of black-clothed 'ninja'	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[20:38]
asciilifeform	(in actuality - jp theatrical convention, actor in black is shorthand for 'not seen by the others' on stage)	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	right.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, didn't some dude just walk into wh ?	[20:39]
undata	yep	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	after overpowering some chick ?	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	so then.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	walked in. didn't walk out with anyone's head.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	the only reason obama doesn't get a glass shard through the eye is that nobody gives a shit about him and his eye	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	not that o noes, sekoority.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	what security.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because he was just drunk.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	and into wh, filled with muppets, and not into [censored] full of [more-censored]	[20:39]
undata	doesn't this suggest followers which are too sure of "what is" are not good slaves at all?	[20:39]
undata	that was my meandering point above	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	undata there's a reason i dun want new york after all.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	undata: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856661 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856662	[20:40]
assbot	Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But	[20:40]
assbot	Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '	[20:40]
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danielpbarron	!up BlueMeanie4	[20:42]
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undata	asciilifeform: so someone can surely be beaten into this state; what I'm asking is whether they don't become useless as a tool in that state	[20:42]
BlueMeanie4	greetings folks	[20:42]
asciilifeform	when some bozo walks a genuine master key out of ft. meade (and not opsec garbage) - i'll believe the 'poor security.'	[20:42]
danielpbarron	;;rated BlueMeanie4	[20:42]
gribble	You rated user BlueMeanie4 on Sat Oct 18 13:17:40 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: thinks the WoT should be more like an iPhone; http://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4.	[20:42]
BlueMeanie4	a	[20:42]
BlueMeanie4	haah	[20:43]
undata	If I have mastered 2+2=5, there are things completely out of my reach	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i doubt anyone much cares bout teh master key, but anyweay.	[20:43]
BlueMeanie4	Iphone ... as in trendy tracking device?	[20:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: well, i'd enjoy reading, e.g., what the aes weak key class is.	[20:43]
danielpbarron	as in, "user friendly"	[20:43]
asciilifeform	or whether factoring is in p.	[20:43]
BlueMeanie4	ok so it should be un userfriendly?	[20:44]
undata	seems like even, especially, and most importantly 2+2=4 is out of reach	[20:44]
asciilifeform	or which mathemagicians, from what nations, went desaparecido for refusing an offer you can't refuse	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	seems more of a cosmo level interest.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	"i wanna see kim's underboob"	[20:44]
asciilifeform	i did say 'enjoy' not 'need now'	[20:44]
asciilifeform	if needed this to eat, would've starved.	[20:45]
danielpbarron	BlueMeanie4, yes -- where "user" means average dummy	[20:45]
asciilifeform	which is precisely the point. none of these jewels ever left the vault.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	their security - worked.	[20:45]
BlueMeanie4	well that aint gonna get ya users now will it? ;)	[20:45]
undata	^ llooooollll	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so why is this piece supposed to bother you ?	[20:46]
asciilifeform	(allowing also the possibility of copies residing in ru, cn vaults. but notice - their security, in that case, also - by inference - works.)	[20:46]
BlueMeanie4	'here's our WOT- figger it out bitches!'	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in. << more likely assumed you'll see it in your logs.	[20:47]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: Well, yes.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 i doubt anyone's much interested in "getting new users". what's wrong with new users getting us ?	[20:48]
BlueMeanie4	mkay	[20:48]
BingoBoingo	Anyone offering odds on whether New York gets riots tonight?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	define riots.	[20:50]
undata	hood-shopping spree	[20:51]
BlueMeanie4	if they close KFC, yes	[20:51]
asciilifeform	Kakasoft Foundation Classes ?	[20:51]
BlueMeanie4	any Americans in the house?	[20:52]
BlueMeanie4	daniel can tell you what KFC is	[20:52]
asciilifeform	found it. recycled food restaurant.	[20:52]
undata	I bet he can.	[20:52]
BlueMeanie4	the whole thing is a massive media manipulation stunt, seems we get one every few months these days	[20:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm thinking something like "Do the right thing" trashcan through windows... prolly at least one good fire.	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: funny thing is, nyc probably sees the equivalent of five or six 'good riot' every night. just, not all in one street.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo meh. more likely, a tweetmeet with some politicos trying to be all you know, talked about.	[20:54]
BingoBoingo	Ah, New York isn't a serious place like St Louis is.	[20:54]
BlueMeanie4	demographically practically different planets	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	reading this steam lispo thing, howdja get so cynical asciilifeform !	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	there IS a differece.	[20:55]
BlueMeanie4	personally, I think Russia has a hand in all this	[20:56]
BingoBoingo	Stupid is as evil does.	[20:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00036823 = 10.1816 BTC [+]	[20:56]
BlueMeanie4	there's a clear agenda here	[20:56]
BlueMeanie4	and its not 'equality'	[20:56]
undata	BlueMeanie4: russia has a hand in what	[20:56]
BlueMeanie4	in engineering these problems	[20:57]
BlueMeanie4	there are plenty of black ppl who think all this is ridiculous	[20:57]
undata	... what problems, the "riots"?	[20:57]
BlueMeanie4	you just dont hear from those ppl	[20:57]
BlueMeanie4	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0bINh22Wc	[20:58]
assbot	Black Teen Tells Ferguson Commission "Darren Wilson Pretty Much Did His Job" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPCz0k )	[20:58]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: To be fair when the Despots on the UNHCR criticize your human rights record, there may be a problem http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/	[20:58]
assbot	UN Report Criticizes United States on Human Rights \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPCBFl )	[20:58]
undata	are you kidding? these "riots" are the US version of the same festering problems you see anywhere people are rotting in socialist paradise	[20:58]
BlueMeanie4	the UNHCR was invented specifically for Palestinians	[20:58]
asciilifeform	there IS a differece << academic to the fellow sitting on the stake.	[20:58]
undata	there are similar barbarians in UK shitholes	[20:58]
BlueMeanie4	undata- for sure	[20:58]
BlueMeanie4	and there will be riots there too	[20:58]
BlueMeanie4	definitely tensions building up EDL, etc.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	in engineering these problems << the agenda is, "send nuland to dance naked in teh lubyanka. we didn't think the ukraine posturing was funny."	[20:59]
BlueMeanie4	ukraine is perfect example dude	[20:59]
BlueMeanie4	i imagine as a Romanian you are not exactly keen on 'greater Russia'?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	im not keen on any of the derpy "national sovereigns"	[21:00]
undata	these riots play directly into the US govts desire for ever stricter laws	[21:00]
undata	I don't see why the Russians have to be involved as boogeyman	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	undata stricter laws have a cost.	[21:01]
BlueMeanie4	i think personally they want to bring it to such high crisis level they can totally remake US govt.	[21:01]
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undata	mircea_popescu: strategy being to have us strangle ourselves?	[21:01]
BlueMeanie4	the Russians I think are running this	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	here's a pop quiz : would you say the "stricter laws" past 2001 were to the detriment of al-quaeda or to its benefit ?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	quite exactly that, yes.	[21:01]
undata	oh, to their benefit	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	working splendidly, too.	[21:01]
asciilifeform	people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid << is the desire of homo redditicus to be 'relevant!1!!' - at any and all cost to his betters - 'evil' or 'stupid' ? and how does the difference matter?	[21:02]
asciilifeform	is cockroach 'evil' or 'stupid'? how about plague ?	[21:02]
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BlueMeanie4	just watch that video i posted. many regular black ppl think this is bogus, but they suppress that	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how it matters obviously depends on context, but i was merely discussing the principle.	[21:04]
BlueMeanie4	tells you that the agenda here is something quite different. They WANT tensions- that is the goal	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 that's fairly uncontroversial.	[21:04]
BlueMeanie4	maybe for you, but the average mouthbreathing american goes by TV or Twitter feed	[21:05]
undata	I don't deny that there could be foreign interest in stirring this up, but there's plenty of homegrown entitlement and idiocy to go around too	[21:05]
undata	watching people "protest" in Portand over #fergie was a joke	[21:06]
undata	*land	[21:06]
danielpbarron	BlueMeanie4, and you want them in the wot???	[21:06]
BlueMeanie4	i think there is a long term plan to break down america	[21:06]
BlueMeanie4	this place has become a !@#$ing nut house in the past 15 years	[21:06]
BlueMeanie4	everyone accept this at this point	[21:06]
undata	the thing that comes after it will be worse.	[21:06]
undata	I'm certain of that	[21:06]
BlueMeanie4	undata, oh im sure about that	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 there are numerous long, middle and short plans to break down anything standing all the time.	[21:06]
BlueMeanie4	true true	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	there's a bunch of aureus on your armpit hatching one regarding you, right now.	[21:06]
BlueMeanie4	youre never one to hold back on graphic imagry	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	the important point here isn't that such plans exist, as they always do.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	the important part here is just how weakly this old man is.	[21:07]
BlueMeanie4	ya but its getting so obvious at this point, many ppl are like- ok whats going to happen now, total breakdown?	[21:08]
undata	that's what I'm anticipating; bezzleland seizes up, and there's a horde of superstitious morons suddenly available as a resource	[21:08]
undata	someone's going to grab that	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	time to jump ship, because the idiots that persist in "working for the government" WILL be hanged.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	i didn't get too far with my bloodlust in the romanian collapse,	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	but i shan't be denied again.	[21:08]
BlueMeanie4	just the low level morons will get hung	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	no.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	the low level morons might escape, maybe	[21:09]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: That's kinder imagery than the Candida.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	if they find a tyorne.	[21:09]
BlueMeanie4	MP: ever seen these videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg	[21:09]
assbot	Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society - Complete - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPDDkU )	[21:09]
BlueMeanie4	its edgy but wow, explains a lot if true	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	i dun watch videos.	[21:09]
BlueMeanie4	only IRC	[21:09]
*	asciilifeform seen. snore.	[21:10]
BlueMeanie4	its just getting totally nuts here, you have to scotch tape the camera on your cell phone so they dont turn it on and record you	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	Spurious meaningless hash: e2686815cd46d6fe0b4212349238868cd8646cda	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: You phone has a camera?	[21:11]
BlueMeanie4	meanwhile the Californians are like: but it's got Flappybird!	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	lmao wtf is this.	[21:11]
BlueMeanie4	actually no, i have a clamshell	[21:11]
BlueMeanie4	when did romania collapse exactly?	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	I alternate between clamshell and candybar with a keyboard for texting bitches	[21:12]
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BingoBoingo	!up BlueMeanie4	[21:13]
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BlueMeanie4	Americans are about to get a taste of all this	[21:13]
BlueMeanie4	mostly for the first time in their lives	[21:13]
BlueMeanie4	they've lived in uber-affluence for decades	[21:14]
asciilifeform	taste of what?	[21:15]
asciilifeform	of collapse? plenty savouring the taste as we speak.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	'you will not know that collapse has happened until it happens to you.' (orlov)	[21:15]
undata	I don't buy that our primary enemy isn't our own CIA.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	!s meta-nsa	[21:16]
assbot	34 results for 'meta-nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meta-nsa	[21:16]
BlueMeanie4	i like Orlov	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re hyalus flexibile (there's no such thing as flexile, and vitreus -a -um is an adjective in latin, directly mapping on vitreous) : http://www.poezie.ro/index.php/poetry/13925568/index.html	[21:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FPEiCP )	[21:16]
BlueMeanie4	he wrote this great article on 'dofenism' one of my favs	[21:16]
undata	they're going to cause a collapse then their meat-puppet is going to pull an american-flavored hitler	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	tl;dr : architect hired to build monastery, walls keep falling down, builds his young pregnant wife in there, walls stand,	[21:17]
BlueMeanie4	something like that ya	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	king takes stairs away.	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	More spurious hash: ce0f9ddab79c55d0b8ca31252e4f49f262be90b7	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	undata how do you define "primary" ? closest ?	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 dec 1989	[21:17]
asciilifeform	;;google vitrum flexile	[21:18]
gribble	New Flexible Glass Will Significantly Reduce The Cost Of Solar ...: ; “Flexible” Roman Glass? \| Corning Museum of Glass: ; Flexible glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	shrug.	[21:18]
undata	mircea_popescu: the enemy which is opening the orifices through which our other enemies are barging in	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	undata you know, tyrone is not your enemy.	[21:19]
asciilifeform	http://books.google.com/books?id=jIQCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA372&lpg=PA372&dq=vitrum+flexile&source=bl&ots=ISyiWf4qVt&sig=-DRhWHSfwpu_Lis_-Nv4XBdp_X8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0ad_VKbZHsSLyATxzIGIBQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=vitrum%20flexile&f=false	[21:19]
assbot	C. Plini Secundi Naturalis historiae libri xxxvii., recens. et comm ... - Pliny (the Elder.) - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcrcQ )	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	eh bloody hell.	[21:19]
BlueMeanie4	1989? here's what we were doing http://media.giphy.com/media/xDrn9oG797R96/giphy.gif	[21:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/12wcuW4 )	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah, flexile esset works.	[21:20]
BlueMeanie4	the disparity in attitudes is just tremendous	[21:21]
BlueMeanie4	California in particular is going to be a huge mess. they can't pay their bills esp pensions and social services, politicians keep passing the buck	[21:21]
BlueMeanie4	then you talk to a californian, and it's like : NEW BMW! something is very wrong here	[21:22]
undata	BlueMeanie4: http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/study-offshore-fault-where-big-one-originates-eerily-quiet	[21:23]
assbot	Study: Offshore Fault Where The 'Big One' Originates Eerily Quiet \| NW News Network ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcPrK )	[21:23]
undata	maybe that'll take care of the west coast (and me along with it!)	[21:23]
undata	haha	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i guess it can work as glass too. the noun i only knew as woad, paint.	[21:23]
mats_cd03	california's getting fixed, slowly. legislature's getting their shit together, but who knows if its enough	[21:23]
BlueMeanie4	oh ya, the ppl who live in the interior LOVE earthquakes	[21:23]
BlueMeanie4	they dont come out and say it but they all silently hope California falls into the ocean	[21:24]
BlueMeanie4	getting fixed? haha	[21:24]
BlueMeanie4	let me guess - you live therE?	[21:24]
mats_cd03	earthquakes don't have anything to do with governance	[21:24]
mats_cd03	i lived there for several years	[21:24]
BingoBoingo	Now Illinois, that's a quality mess.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516&cpage=1#comment-1842 << gotta love this.	[21:26]
assbot	Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/12wdeKW )	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	"how do you avoid screwing over idiots ?!?!?!"	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	dude i dunno... why would i ?	[21:26]
BlueMeanie4	basically the whole country is a mess	[21:27]
mats_cd03	what a novel thought.	[21:27]
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BingoBoingo	Now that the governor elect here in Illinois is getting briefed on how fucked the state is, I'm thinking he might quit before he can get sworn in.	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	lol has this happened yet ?	[21:30]
BlueMeanie4	ive heard stories about rural illinois	[21:31]
BlueMeanie4	wow	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 the "whole country" is only "a mess" in the sense that random idiots are inept, and the model where you run a continent as a centrally planned economy requires a lot more than a conclave of idiots in charge.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, the country'd recover and do just fine if left the fuck alone.	[21:31]
undata	BlueMeanie4: I could just as easily see this Yuri character as anticommunist psyops	[21:31]
BlueMeanie4	ya 'centralization' is the problem, weve never had this much federal power before, mostly the states governed themselves	[21:31]
BlueMeanie4	since 911 it's been crazy	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Not yet. But he is getting more and more dejected in appearances.	[21:32]
BlueMeanie4	now add to that all this spying, social media presence, etc.	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	Celebrated winning the election, but... pretty despondent ever since	[21:32]
BlueMeanie4	they're using these various front issues to break down state soveireignty	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	here's a simple reform idea : take guns away from police. because government employees are slaves, and slaves don't belong carrying arms. that's for citizens only.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	if a policeman wants to report a crime, he gotta find a citizen and get his help.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	slaves don't get to stand their ground, they get to scurry away and seek help.	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30302261	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	and if you're unable or unwilling to stand your ground, well... you're not a citien either. go find one and hide behind him.	[21:35]
assbot	BBC News - AK-47 maker Kalashnikov gives rifles makeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPFJ49 )	[21:35]
BlueMeanie4	fact is	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	solves the fake "problems" in all of five minutes, but also exposes the real problem :	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	no citizens, no country.	[21:35]
BlueMeanie4	in most american cities, esp. most black neighborhoods they wouldn't dare remove the police	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[21:35]
BlueMeanie4	ha	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	go suck off to tyrone, why should the state push things away from equilibrium.	[21:36]
BlueMeanie4	it would turn into utter chaos	[21:36]
BingoBoingo	Compare to http://rt.com/news/210751-kalashnikov-rifle-new-brand/	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	if tyrone's the man and you're the woman, wear the fucking cock cage and go about your business.	[21:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FPG1YI )	[21:36]
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BlueMeanie4	as that last video showed, there are plenty of ppl of all colors who do not want the police removed	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but that;'s principally because they suck.	[21:37]
BlueMeanie4	this is what a lot of these protestors dont understand, most are white middle/upper class	[21:37]
BlueMeanie4	they really have no idea what living in a low income area is like	[21:37]
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BlueMeanie4	to them 'police' are these annoying characters who want to get between them and their pot habit	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as a low income "area".	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	it's the people.	[21:38]
BlueMeanie4	tis the most immature deluded nonsense you can imagine	[21:38]
BlueMeanie4	its really nothing like e. europe, there are underlying tensions that you just dont have in a place like Romania	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 let me tell you something. they got bums everwhere here. one night, one prolly drunk dude got rambunctious and started yelling.	[21:38]
BlueMeanie4	there isnt the the underlying urge to robe your neighbor	[21:38]
undata	BlueMeanie4: I recall some "livestreamer" of the PDX "protest" calling them pigs, then chatting up a girl	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	random passerbys threatened and yelled him down.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	this is why this country is safe. plenty of citizens.	[21:39]
BlueMeanie4	undata- oh ya , we call them Trustafarians	[21:39]
BlueMeanie4	Rastafarians with Trust Funds	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	the us... heck, they're so fucking cowardly you can piss in their face and they'll likely limit themselves to complaining sottovoce.	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	"They should make Kalashnikov Mobile phones.. With high level of rugged-ness to be used in the harsher parts of the world..."	[21:39]
BlueMeanie4	oh sure Romania is probably safer than NYC, certianly safer than NYC with no police	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	here is buenos aires.	[21:40]
BlueMeanie4	oh ok	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	a town 3x the size of nyc.	[21:40]
BlueMeanie4	ya the 'hipster' set is clearly a major part of the problem	[21:40]
BlueMeanie4	mainly white kids reared on Obama nonsense	[21:40]
BlueMeanie4	they have no relationship with reality	[21:40]
undata	reared on social media nonsense	[21:40]
BlueMeanie4	yep	[21:41]
undata	hence what you mention last	[21:41]
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BlueMeanie4	one and the same with homo redditicus	[21:41]
undata	"it's real if it's twatted"	[21:41]
BlueMeanie4	see: Tumblr	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	so.. yeah, this "police will protect us" thing is going to last what, another year or two.	[21:41]
BlueMeanie4	they have no real concept of how the world works	[21:41]
BlueMeanie4	most dont even have jobs, just support from parents	[21:41]
undata	BlueMeanie4: less and less of that with the economy as it is	[21:42]
BlueMeanie4	they are an increasingly ridiculed group	[21:42]
undata	the most recent generation is wasting away in the service industry	[21:42]
undata	making pizzas	[21:42]
BlueMeanie4	yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/	[21:42]
BlueMeanie4	and its not pretty	[21:42]
BlueMeanie4	youve got a lot of clear Nazi ideas building up	[21:42]
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undata	yep	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	making pizzas << aaaand whose brilliant idea is that "we don't need industry, we can grow rich by doing each other's laundry" ?	[21:43]
BlueMeanie4	twatter is the most hilarious for sure	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	"it's easier" right.	[21:43]
BlueMeanie4	MP: we can grow rich by serving each other Lattes!	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	glwt.	[21:43]
BlueMeanie4	pumpkin spice lattes to be precise	[21:43]
BlueMeanie4	no investment in infrastructure	[21:44]
BlueMeanie4	no investment in real education	[21:44]
BlueMeanie4	everyone is pushing money around or spying on citizens	[21:44]
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undata	!up BlueMeanie4	[21:44]
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BlueMeanie4	danke	[21:44]
undata	bitte	[21:44]
BlueMeanie4	but no doubt this isnt going to end well	[21:44]
undata	it'll end in a dictator	[21:45]
BlueMeanie4	yep	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	heh. like who.	[21:45]
BlueMeanie4	because the asshats will DEMAND their 'standard of living' be preserved	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	where is hte painter. show me the painter.	[21:45]
undata	mircea_popescu: he's so far unknown	[21:46]
BlueMeanie4	it will be King Blue Meanie	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's not generally peoples wanting their "standard of living being preserved" that end up with hitler.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	those generally go fight in the trenches for five years.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	it's their thoroughly debased and humiliated sons an' daughters that get the hitler.	[21:47]
undata	seems we're headed for humiliation, no?	[21:47]
BlueMeanie4	there are parallels for sure	[21:47]
undata	worldwide empire reduced to economic crater	[21:47]
BlueMeanie4	i can def. see some states just dropping out of this	[21:48]
BlueMeanie4	Texas	[21:48]
undata	BlueMeanie4: and being coerced back in, I'd think	[21:48]
undata	the military though takes steps to avoid a state having its own state-sized chunk of military	[21:49]
BlueMeanie4	the concept of the average Texan is miles apart from where Obama is taking the US	[21:49]
BlueMeanie4	ya it's called Gun Control	[21:49]
undata	BlueMeanie4: I'm actually from there	[21:49]
BlueMeanie4	i live in a red state, generally stay away from the blue areas	[21:49]
undata	BlueMeanie4: gun control, but they also ship people around so they don't have a group that's entirely from one state	[21:49]
BlueMeanie4	ya lots of technique	[21:50]
BlueMeanie4	but fact is ppl are getting more and more aware	[21:50]
undata	hah, maybe we're headed for a Lincoln	[21:51]
undata	not a Hitler	[21:51]
BlueMeanie4	civil war?	[21:52]
BlueMeanie4	could happen i think, not far fetched	[21:52]
undata	yeah, say there's a large economic collapse and the federal system starts to deteriorate	[21:52]
undata	somebody rides in to "save the union"	[21:53]
BlueMeanie4	well if that happens	[21:53]
BlueMeanie4	then theyll start taxing everyone like crazy	[21:53]
undata	that could be the new thing, "domestic terrorism" vs the federal system	[21:53]
BlueMeanie4	Texas and perhaps a coalition will basically say FU	[21:53]
BlueMeanie4	right and the feds will label them domestic terrorists	[21:53]
undata	one could see lots of the "antiterrorism" stuff as prepping for a civil war	[21:54]
BlueMeanie4	he already clearly violates the Constitution	[21:54]
BlueMeanie4	absolutely	[21:54]
BlueMeanie4	theyre not prepping to get Al Queda	[21:54]
undata	right, they know full well that the economic system is a sham, and is going to implode	[21:54]
BlueMeanie4	they are anticipating things getting out of control	[21:54]
undata	so they've been getting this stuff ready	[21:54]
undata	arguably this domestic terrorism thing has been there in the US since the start	[21:55]
undata	"domestic terrorism" redefined as any sort of anti-federal thing	[21:55]
BlueMeanie4	no one remmeber Ollie North	[21:56]
BlueMeanie4	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84	[21:57]
assbot	Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPOFq4 )	[21:57]
undata	yep	[21:57]
BlueMeanie4	fun times	[21:58]
undata	times to wait and squirel away nuts	[21:58]
BlueMeanie4	any advice from Romania on how to survive economic collapse and govt takeover?	[21:59]
undata	argentina might have some things to say there as well	[21:59]
BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot	[22:00]
assbot	Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1w2Ppak )	[22:00]
undata	good old prescott bush and friends	[22:01]
BlueMeanie4	yep	[22:02]
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BlueMeanie4	moving to Russia ASAP	[22:04]
undata	I don't see how that's better	[22:04]
BlueMeanie4	http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1417652023224.jpg	[22:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FPRwPR )	[22:06]
BlueMeanie4	see now?	[22:06]
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undata	BlueMeanie4: that it lacks that form of cancer does not mean it lacks cancer	[22:08]
undata	hilarious picture though	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	actually kinda funny what hoover had to say abgout getting off gold.	[22:13]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-domain-registrations-shown-to-correlate-with-bitcoin-price/	[22:14]
assbot	Bitcoin Domain Registrations Shown To Correlate With Bitcoin Price \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPTvno )	[22:14]
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undata	!up BlueMeanie4	[22:15]
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BlueMeanie4	re. cryptos	[22:17]
BlueMeanie4	bitcoin remains a mystery	[22:17]
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cazalla	BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/ <<< in hindsight, /pol/ was a short stop otw to #b-a, once i began to put in more time here, i pretty much stopped putting in any time at /pol/	[22:40]
BlueMeanie4	whats b-a?	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 lol	[23:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00037621 = 16.0642 BTC [+] {4}	[23:28]
TomServo	I've drank too much #b-a koolaid and find myself having to piss on co-workers' msft/goog/appl wankfests.	[23:28]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[23:30]
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adlai	also http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	TomServo it's a pernicious cult.	[23:30]
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adlai	;;later tell kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32 http://themonkeycage.org/2011/03/11/randomizing_customs/	[23:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:32]
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kakobrekla	adlai ?	[23:36]
decimation	re: only citizens could carry guns << that's a very good idea, and probably very close to what the 'founding fathers' had in mind	[23:36]
kakobrekla	bb doesnt have a red and green light but it does have a red and green buttons	[23:36]
decimation	now the situation is reversed, and citizens must ask police to wield guns. This confusion is at the root of much of what is wrong with usg.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	decimation yes, but you know exactly why it won't happen.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	no us citizen alive today is willing to sucker punch the wife if she talks back	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	also something the founding fathers had in mind.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	and that's where it starts.	[23:37]
adlai	when there's a deterministic profile for further scrutiny (public announcement of the bet in-channel), those who specifically wish to minimize scrutiny will stay just outside the profile. what if we make it non-deterministic?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	why shouldn't people who want to stay outside of scrutiny be able to ?	[23:38]
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decimation	http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3a/ << herr land dismisses isis	[23:44]
assbot	Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Islamic Vortex (Note-3a) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNPo8c )	[23:44]
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mircea_popescu	whossat ?	[23:45]
TomServo	I like the cops with no guns, find a citizen approach.	[23:45]
kakobrekla	non-deterministic < better to stream comments to #b-a and harness the power of trolls	[23:46]
decimation	the xenosystems author	[23:46]
TomServo	But shouldn't a citizen also be capable of finding a wife that doesn't require a sucker punch?	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	decimation i thought mebbe you knew him better.	[23:47]
decimation	TomServo: why would you want to neglect her/.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	TomServo such wives exist only in a world where people are WILLING TO slap them.	[23:47]
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TomServo	decimation: neglect?	[23:47]
decimation	mircea_popescu: nah, just been following his writings	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	it's like the nukes exactly. kids that know they can't EVER get in trouble grow up with various mental illnesses. kids that grow up knowing they could easily get in trouble grow up fine, and generally don't need to be beaten either.	[23:48]
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mircea_popescu	yes, exactly neglect.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	i dunno what's more insulting than the plain declaration that "[i really don't care enough about you to be bothered to] ever beat you"	[23:48]
TomServo	I guess I don't understand why a beating is necessary when you have a sufficiently advanced human capable of reasoning. Help me out?	[23:49]
decimation	lol	[23:49]
decimation	I have an AI cult to sell	[23:49]
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mircea_popescu	TomServo the theory is that you don't get that advanced human in any unverse that doesn't include beating as a possibility.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	decimation shoot.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	you might - by sheer accident.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	just as a small spot, on some rusted razors - semiconducts.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	brings to mind an old thread:	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	yes, but because of networking effects this isn't useful.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	just like rusted razors aren't programmable.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617148 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617149	[23:51]
assbot	Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:41; Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"	[23:51]
assbot	Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:51; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic men.	[23:51]
decimation	http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/12/nick_bostrom_on.html this derp was on econtalk	[23:51]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNReGc )	[23:51]
decimation	"The way you talk about superintelligence reminds me a lot about how medieval theologians talked about God. It's unbounded. It can do anything. Except maybe created a rock so heavy it can't move it. Has anyone ever made that observation to you, and what's your reaction to that? Guest: I think you might be the first, at least that I can remember. Russ: Hmmm."	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	!s yudkowsky	[23:52]
assbot	8 results for 'yudkowsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yudkowsky	[23:52]
asciilifeform	^ current hitler of that sect	[23:52]
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decimation	hehe yeah asciilifeform this guy has to be in yudkowsky's orbit somehow	[23:52]
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TomServo	mircea_popescu: no matter the level of advancement, always beat?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	if she's advanced enough that she stops shitting	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	i shall review your question.	[23:54]
decimation	yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'	[23:54]
TomServo	lol?	[23:54]
decimation	www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/artificial-intelligence.pdf	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	well ? what is this "advanced"	[23:54]
asciilifeform	TomServo: it is possible to play the 'advanced' game, but you probably cannot assemble mircea_popescu's harem that way.	[23:54]
TomServo	So you never graduate from beating?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	lucky if even find one wife.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	from the possibility thereof ?	[23:54]
decimation	TomServo: do you graduate from having to eat?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	how. do you graduate from being sick ? bored ?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	you don't graduate from reality.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	trained circus lion 'graduates from beating.'	[23:55]
asciilifeform	as i understand, same idea here.	[23:55]
undata	I think this is predicated on "beat everyone"	[23:55]
TomServo	Is there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?	[23:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: offer carrot & stick, eventually only carrot is needed?	[23:55]
kakobrekla	since we are pasting links re ai; http://i1.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/original/000/015/610/48a.gif	[23:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vNS71u )	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not at all.	[23:55]
decimation	kakobrekla: lol	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	TomServo http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ ?	[23:56]
assbot	Cum se bate femeia ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNSoBA )	[23:56]
asciilifeform	actually, this is almost a fundamental question. like 'sexual orientation.' how many 'iq' points below yours (for a particular fellow) does 'zoophilia' begin ?	[23:57]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: Due to a lack of beatings, I haven't yet learned Romanian.	[23:57]
TomServo	I apologize.	[23:57]
asciilifeform	i suspect there is great variation	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	lol i guess you're stuck looking at pictures ?	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	but no, the definition is i imagine quite ordinary.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i srsly doubt iq points measure anything useful.	[23:58]
TomServo	How does beating relate to eating?	[23:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: call it whatever.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	TomServo they're fundamental in the same way.	[23:58]
decimation	mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure them, and find that measures correlate	[23:59]
asciilifeform	i'll volunteer that i can't easily lust over any creature detectably stupider than self.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i should say "through the carrot", for elegance of form :D	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'll bet you you couldn't discern between a well trained and an intelligent creature.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in the right kind of circus - absolutely	[23:59]

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