Forum logs for 03 Nov 2013
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mod6 | ;;bc,stats | [00:19] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 267585 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 13 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 511493319.444 | Estimated Percent Change: 30.84054 | [00:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 0.06122199 = 0.8571 BTC [+] | [00:36] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-] | [00:51] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00769998 = 0.9702 BTC [-] {4} | [00:55] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00799983 = 0.744 BTC [+] {6} | [01:03] |
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jurov | mhm, satoshidice has hefty Terms&Conditions nao. Of course:" Persons located in or residents of the United States and the United States Territories (the âProhibited Jurisdictionsâ) are not permitted make use of the Service." | [01:04] |
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jurov | i clicked "I disagree" and was let in :D | [01:06] |
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pankkake | they check as hard as porn sites who ask you if you are 18 I guess | [01:11] |
skinnkavaj | So LTC up 10% only today. | [01:12] |
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wao-wiggen | lol:D | [01:14] |
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benkay | skinnkavaj: what do these percents imply? | [01:16] |
pankkake | who cares. it was still better to sell earlier, which you should have done instead of getting all butthurt | [01:17] |
skinnkavaj | pankkake: I am not daytrading | [01:18] |
pankkake | and now you're all day wishful thinking | [01:18] |
skinnkavaj | I hold my LTC longterm | [01:18] |
pankkake | it's not about days | [01:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00819242 = 0.8192 BTC [+] {6} | [01:19] |
pankkake | I have plenty of time to buy back if there ever is a reason. and here you're just bragging about daily little changes | [01:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3794 @ 0.00081891 = 3.1069 BTC [+] {2} | [01:20] |
skinnkavaj | pankkake: Trust me you are gonna buy in when it's too high already | [01:20] |
skinnkavaj | I am spending all my LTC | [01:21] |
skinnkavaj | Sent a mail to bitcoinity.org | [01:21] |
skinnkavaj | about doing an litecoinity version if I pay him | [01:21] |
skinnkavaj | Also hiring developers for new blockchain.info server with goal of making it better + LTC support | [01:21] |
benkay | amazing mail! | [01:21] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [01:21] |
skinnkavaj | I know | [01:22] |
pankkake | well litecoin certainly needs decent websites and alternative clients | [01:22] |
skinnkavaj | He replied he will think about it | [01:22] |
benkay | what's your budget, skinnkavaj? | [01:22] |
skinnkavaj | He was on holiday | [01:22] |
pankkake | I mean it looks like there isn't even a web wallet | [01:22] |
skinnkavaj | benkay: Why are you asking | [01:22] |
benkay | always got my ears out for a new hustle | [01:23] |
skinnkavaj | pankkake: Next friday I will launch a Litecoin service which will be kept secrete until it's live | [01:23] |
pankkake | me too | [01:23] |
benkay | i'll secrete something | [01:23] |
benkay | your secretions are safe with -assets | [01:24] |
skinnkavaj | The secret is not that I am launching a litecoin service | [01:24] |
skinnkavaj | Everyone could guess | [01:24] |
skinnkavaj | That | [01:25] |
benkay | from the ceaseless litecoin hype frothing from your face? | [01:25] |
benkay | naw. | [01:26] |
skinnkavaj | Correct. | [01:26] |
skinnkavaj | benkay: Show me what you have developed earlier | [01:26] |
skinnkavaj | pankkake: Armory and Trezor is coming with LTC support | [01:26] |
skinnkavaj | Looking forward to that | [01:26] |
pankkake | source? especially for Armory which I follow closely | [01:27] |
skinnkavaj | It's not like LTC is going away anytime soon. LTC is here to stay as long as BTC is here to stay. Then we might have another competing coin that take over in the future, but that will take a lot of time even if its better than BTC/LTC. | [01:27] |
pankkake | come on, stop with the empty "here to say" and "not going away", this means nothing | [01:28] |
pankkake | https://github.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory/issues/32 | [01:28] |
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pankkake | and copying every bitcoin service isn't enough - why use it if it has no clear advantage? | [01:33] |
pankkake | this always fail on the "why" | [01:33] |
benkay | haven't you heard, it has mining for the undercapitalized | [01:33] |
skinnkavaj | pankkake: If you think LTC will be dead in one year you must be blind. I feel sorry for you. | [01:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-] | [01:35] |
pankkake | it's bitcoin for people who want to be early adopter or want to use their gaming pcs, which is bad enough. but even ignoring that, I don't see anything compelling | [01:35] |
pankkake | "dead" is also an empty statement | [01:36] |
benkay | and 1 year an arbitrary timeframe | [01:36] |
benkay | all wrapped in a lovely strawman | [01:36] |
pankkake | but perhaps you should look at the history of altcoins | [01:36] |
pankkake | and feelings shouldn't have anything to do with that | [01:36] |
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skinnkavaj | pankkake: LTC is the first good copy cat of BTC. And like everyone know the first copycat always succeeds, while the others fail. Look at feathercoin, I don't see any future there. | [01:37] |
skinnkavaj | It's important for the development to not become to corrupt, to have two strong open source currencies. | [01:38] |
pankkake | I hope your ltc "investment" decision has better foundations than that "everyone know" | [01:38] |
pankkake | …and you do not understand how Bitcoin works | [01:38] |
pankkake | or open source for the matter | [01:38] |
skinnkavaj | OH yes I do, but I still see it's possible to infiltrate and try to destroy innovation even when it's open sourced. | [01:39] |
pankkake | open source is already a protection against developers being corrupt. you don't have to have a fork of every open source software to keep the developers in check. that would be insane | [01:39] |
pankkake | it happens when needed | [01:40] |
pankkake | but bitcoin is even harder to corrupt | [01:40] |
benkay | but pankkake that doesn't prevent to corrupt innovate | [01:40] |
pankkake | changes have to be approved by the majority of the p2p network and even harder, the network | [01:40] |
pankkake | the miners* | [01:41] |
kakobrekla | just the pool ops really | [01:41] |
pankkake | pools can lose their miners | [01:41] |
pankkake | is there an altcoin list by date of introduction? | [01:42] |
kakobrekla | but miners are people and people are stupid | [01:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00276 = 0.138 BTC [-] | [01:42] |
skinnkavaj | pankkake: There was like 5-6 altcoins launched before LTC, but none of them were really good. One was premined, one was scrypt but not premined, LTC was the one that won. Now I am only waiting for the third coin, but that will take a lot of time to be decided. | [01:43] |
kakobrekla | you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more. | [01:44] |
pankkake | or pircea_momescu | [01:44] |
jurov | ;;seen ozbot | [01:44] |
gribble | ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: |
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skinnkavaj | Omg LTC/USD 2.6 | [01:45] |
skinnkavaj | When is this minibubble crashing | [01:46] |
pankkake | there was a lot of hype about solidcoin IIRC. actually, it put me off bitcoin at that time. where is it now? | [01:46] |
pankkake | I thought you were not daytrading | [01:46] |
skinnkavaj | I am not | [01:46] |
pankkake | why watch the price all the time? | [01:47] |
kakobrekla | pankkake hes just a trolliar | [01:47] |
jurov | pankkake iirc it was revealed as scam | [01:47] |
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skinnkavaj | Daytrading is a fool's game pankkake. | [01:50] |
pankkake | I am not arguing for it, I am not weathly enough to make it worthwile anyway | [01:50] |
skinnkavaj | But tbh sounds stupid to buy into LTC when it's already high pankkake, that sounds like a really stupid plan. | [01:50] |
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pankkake | that bot is an ass | [01:52] |
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benkay | .bait | [02:02] |
ozbot | http://31.media.tumblr.com/b1f0feb59b74d7922c8641f9f1e9a791/tumblr_mfaiciB7G11rlp769o1_500.jpg | [02:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00755 = 0.151 BTC [-] | [02:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00755 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {2} | [02:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06099999 = 0.305 BTC [-] | [02:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | [02:28] | |
pankkake | he stalking me :( | [02:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.895 BTC [+] | [02:31] |
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KRS1 | oh man thats nice | [02:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00108501 = 1.085 BTC [-] {4} | [02:43] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [02:45] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.00986, Best ask: 213.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00014, Last trade: 213.00986, 24 hour volume: 4358.73830996, 24 hour low: 211.02000, 24 hour high: 214.87996, 24 hour vwap: 213.03851 | [02:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00024444 = 0.2444 BTC [+] {2} | [02:45] |
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benkay | amusing that gox is still default for ticker | [02:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18553 @ 0.00082617 = 15.3279 BTC [+] {2} | [02:58] |
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mod6 | so this guy is the gatekeeper for all BIPs? Please send all BIP-related email to |
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mod6 | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0001 | [02:58] |
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* | mod6 is digging into http://trilema.com/2013/the-perfect-escrow/ | [02:58] |
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mod6 | which, actually, im suprised there isn't any comments yet. despite mp asking for commentary... | [02:59] |
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benkay | mod6: gotta re-read it three more times. | [03:03] |
mod6 | im on round two :] | [03:04] |
mod6 | read it for the first time about a week ago. now, re-reading after some thought. | [03:05] |
mod6 | im looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0010 further to see what it holds | [03:06] |
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mod6 | does anyone know if TxDP "multi-signature transactions" have been implemented in bitcoind or whatever from bitcoin.org? | That page was last updated: This page was last modified on 18 January 2013, at 14:57. | [03:09] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.897 = 2.691 BTC [+] | [03:11] |
mod6 | gd i hate pdfs | [03:12] |
* | mod6 winces and reads | [03:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.897 = 1.794 BTC [+] | [03:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00276056 = 0.1159 BTC [+] {3} | [03:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.008 = 0.616 BTC [+] | [03:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-] | [03:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 208 @ 0.00813745 = 1.6926 BTC [+] {5} | [03:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002779 = 0.2223 BTC [+] | [03:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00818995 = 1.0319 BTC [+] {4} | [03:29] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00819 = 0.86 BTC [+] | [03:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00082847 = 3.8938 BTC [+] | [03:35] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00818799 = 0.1556 BTC [+] | [03:56] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.008188 = 0.1883 BTC [+] | [03:57] |
mod6 | you know whats bizzare? not having to translate trilema.com from ro to en | [03:59] |
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* | mod6 remembers those days | [03:59] |
mod6 | :D | [03:59] |
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mircea_popescu | lol mod6 | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | chtulhu now speaks your language | [04:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00818 = 0.638 BTC [-] | [04:01] |
mod6 | haha :} | [04:02] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082868 = 3.7705 BTC [+] | [04:26] |
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mod6 | so as in the Lamport scheme: RNG produces 256 p & q respectively (512 hashes total), each 256 bits in size these combined are the privkey (p1->256+q1->256 )all of these together equal the privkey. and the pubkey is each of the 512 p's & q's hashed (256 bit) and concatenated together? | [05:00] |
mod6 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamport_signature | [05:01] |
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asciilifeform | mod6: trying to implement provable-share secret-splitting? | [05:02] |
mod6 | haha, i'd like to implement it. but i gotta make sure i have my head wrapped around it first :) | [05:03] |
asciilifeform | there's probably a thousand ways to do it. | [05:03] |
asciilifeform | tricky bit is: to avoid leaking key. | [05:04] |
mod6 | yeah, i like how simplistic it seems. | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | normally in a secret-splitter, the individual shares are indistinguishable from noise. | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | if your application doesn't need the provability part, use ordinary (e.g. Shamir's) secret-splitter. | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | it (provably) 'does what's printed on the box.' | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | (proof is an exercise for alert reader.) | [05:06] |
mod6 | ahh, as far as leaking key part: Obviously should you reuse the same key to sign a different message you’ll be leaking key bits and eventually your key can be brokenii. << noted. | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | mod6: that's true of any signature algo that uses a nonce | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | what i meant was something rather more subtle | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | if the shares are distinguishable from noise, they contain information which pertains to the key. (obvious.) hence said information must be a 'one way' ticket. | [05:08] |
asciilifeform | (must conjecture that trapdoors exist. naturally) | [05:08] |
asciilifeform | so k of m shares gives you key, but k-1 should give you bupkis. | [05:09] |
asciilifeform | simplest way i can think of is rsa with >2 private primes (lamport, or see MP's writeup) | [05:10] |
mod6 | thanks for your input asciilifeform. | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | exercise for the (very) alert reader: come up with a scheme where you can prove the actual number of distinct shareholders, given their pubkeys (allowed to assume they aren't all sockpuppets) | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | that is, for all pubkeys, for each - can prove that it is a share. and that no others exist. | [05:12] |
mod6 | does this matter in the case where the dealer is a shithead? | [05:13] |
asciilifeform | well, dealer presumably has the key being split | [05:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082339 = 12.5155 BTC [-] {2} | [05:14] |
asciilifeform | for extra points: 'byzantine' scheme, sans dealer. | [05:14] |
asciilifeform | that is, players agree on what constitutes a 'go' signal, and arrive at a set of split secrets that can be added up to said signal, verifiably - without a dealer. | [05:15] |
mod6 | oh ok | [05:15] |
mod6 | hmm. | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | see 'millionaire protocol' for hint. | [05:16] |
mod6 | socialist millionaire problem || http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire | [05:18] |
asciilifeform | right | [05:19] |
mod6 | damnit, you guys are smrt. | [05:19] |
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* | mod6 is like a week behind | [05:20] |
asciilifeform | mod6: not like i thought up any of this personally | [05:20] |
mod6 | still | [05:22] |
mod6 | to those following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir's_Secret_Sharing | [05:25] |
mod6 | anyway, i was very intetersted in the VPSS scheme even though i'm sort of deep into implementing cramer-shoup into libgcrypt. | [05:27] |
mod6 | thought i should dig into this article & related papers. | [05:28] |
mod6 | with any luck i'll get CS working within the libgcrypt framework then can mod gnupg to utilize it. | [05:29] |
Ademan | Dang am I happy I bought asicminer last week, that paid off really quickly | [05:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.0081 = 0.8181 BTC [-] {2} | [05:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.389898 BTC [+] | [05:34] |
mod6 | Each Lamport public key can only be used to sign one single message, which means many keys have to be published if many messages are to be signed. But a hash tree can be used on those public keys, publishing the top hash of the hash tree instead. This increases the size of the resulting signature, since parts of the hash tree have to be included in the signature, but it makes it possible to publish a single hash that then can be used to verify any given n | [05:39] |
mod6 | from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamport_signature | [05:39] |
mod6 | <3 crypto | [05:40] |
mod6 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle_signature_scheme | [05:40] |
mod6 | sound familiar? haha | [05:41] |
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asciilifeform | 'all who don't understand btc, are doomed to reinvent it' | [05:41] |
mod6 | :] | [05:43] |
mod6 | are you still into urbit? | [05:46] |
asciilifeform | me? never really was, aside from having solved the 'entrance exam' | [05:46] |
asciilifeform | tried to talk some sense into the author back in '10 | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | that building on c/unix is a mistake | [05:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.8100096 = 8.1001 BTC [-] {3} | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | now he and the merry band are fighting memory leaks, inexplicable crashes, and other joys. | [05:47] |
mod6 | one of these guys has a hardon for implemeting xrp with it directly instead of btc, can't shake him. | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | all entirely unnecessary, and crap i want no part of. | [05:48] |
mod6 | yeah, it basically works, until they change something then you have to re-pull all source and rebuild, etc. | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | the idea of implementing something on urbit would be more interesting if the thing actually worked. | [05:48] |
mod6 | pretty shakey still | [05:48] |
mod6 | ya | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | there is such a thing as an 'impedance mismatch.' | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | a 'from scratch' OS on top of the world's 2nd biggest steaming turd is a bad thing, regardless of how close it can be brought to an approximation of working, through brute sweat. | [05:50] |
asciilifeform | this kind of thing has to be done from silicon up. | [05:50] |
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mod6 | haha do you mean unix to be the 2nd biggest steaming turd? | [05:56] |
asciilifeform | right. | [05:56] |
mod6 | what do you like better? windows? | [05:56] |
asciilifeform | the 1st biggest? | [05:56] |
asciilifeform | i'd prefer something that isn't a turd. | [05:57] |
mod6 | do you prefer any specific unix flavor? | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | linux, as 'necessary evil' | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | but never as a foundation for anything claiming to be a 'redesign of computing' | [05:58] |
mod6 | what about freebsd or openbsd? | [05:58] |
* | mod6 hates SVR4 | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | used to run freebsd at home, at one time | [05:58] |
Ademan | the hell is urbit? | [05:59] |
asciilifeform | Ademan: http://www.urbit.org/ | [05:59] |
mod6 | i agree on philosophy though. why build something that is dependant on something undereath? how does that get one somewhere? | [06:00] |
asciilifeform | mod6: see, i tell people, 'trinary logic, clockless Muller gates, direct execution of high-level language.' | [06:00] |
asciilifeform | and they say 'you're a nut. we wanna get stuff done Right Now.' | [06:00] |
asciilifeform | software sucks because hardware sucks. 'you can't pour a bullet from shit.' | [06:01] |
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mod6 | haha | [06:02] |
asciilifeform | http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55 | [06:03] |
ozbot | Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. | [06:03] |
mod6 | i mean, the idea of a 'successor of unix' is appleaing to me, eventhough I <3 *nix (in general compared to whatever, windows). it would be amazing to have something abstracted to the level where it can handle physical systems and be virtualized too and be next gen | [06:04] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [06:04] |
mod6 | lol asciilifeform | [06:05] |
mod6 | err assbot | [06:05] |
asciilifeform | mod6: once you understand how much of what you presently know will be irrelevant (actually, harmful) after a serious rethinking of computing, you'll shit yourself. | [06:05] |
asciilifeform | don't worry, not much risk of it actually happening in real life. | [06:06] |
* | mod6 ponders | [06:06] |
asciilifeform | just try telling people: 'yes, you'll have to throw away your RAM. and every line of code anyone's ever written.' | [06:07] |
mod6 | isn't it exciting? | [06:07] |
asciilifeform | exciting, until you realize 1) it won't happen, and 2) it must | [06:07] |
mod6 | if it must, it will | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | qwerty's still here. | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | people will put up with astounding levels of dysfunction because 'they want to get things done.' | [06:09] |
mod6 | hahaha. yah but people are creatures of habit. but thats only because it's been allowed to persist. if people were only given type A new keyboard (dvorak) then that'd be used. kinda like only left hockey sticks in soivet union. | [06:09] |
mod6 | i never personally switched to dvorak because the friend that i have who did had the issue of trying to constantly switch everyone elses computer to dvorak if he wanted to use it. | [06:11] |
mod6 | muscle memory is a bitch | [06:11] |
mod6 | i guess this might not be relevant. | [06:11] |
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mod6 | so what if we got to a point where we needed to throw everything existing away (now), how we would we proceed? | [06:13] |
mod6 | we'd simply only have a lesson in what not to do. | [06:13] |
mod6 | but we wouldn't have a map in what to do, only what not to do. | [06:13] |
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mod6 | asciilifeform: so we must go back to the form of the turing machine or DFA to re-invent the modern os? or do you think even that must be re-thought because of the possibility of quantum computers? | [06:21] |
mod6 | ( i like this thread, even if it leads no-where in particular. just curious, searching for ideas. ) | [06:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 103 @ 0.05263204 = 5.4211 BTC [+] {3} | [06:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05260001 = 0.526 BTC [-] | [06:28] |
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mod6 | ahh i see your comment and reply in that article: I believe that efficiency in computer design is a false god. Give me an “inefficient” but responsive and “Seven-Laws Compliant” computer any day of the week in place of the monstrous PC, that race car which regards steering wheel input as mere advice and so eagerly speeds off cliffs and into embankments. << hahaha | [06:35] |
mod6 | i agree, there has to be a better way. | [06:41] |
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mod6 | anyway, i guess i'll get back to it. thanks for the convo. | [06:48] |
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KRS1 | oops | [07:06] |
KRS1 | I meant http://cdn.meme.li/i/pekig.jpg | [07:07] |
KRS1 | lul | [07:12] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00109498 = 1.095 BTC [+] | [22:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00728141 = 0.9466 BTC [-] {3} | [23:17] |
jurov | nubbins`: did you declare sufficiently high value for our watchful customs to intercept it and demand ransom? | [23:17] |
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nubbins` | the postal clerk filled out all the customs forms for me. pretty sure they're all marked as "t-shirt", gift, no cash value | [23:18] |
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jurov | good. cuz americans like, in their blessed innocece, to declare $$$$ value and then it's headache | [23:20] |
jurov | *innocence | [23:20] |
nubbins` | i sold some poor EU guy a rare casascius coin a while back. he insisted on insuring it for its full value, and was very sad when he had to pay hundreds of dollars before they released his package | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | innocaecity | [23:21] |
nubbins` | innococracy | [23:21] |
pankkake | that's why I don't like to order stuff outside of the EU :/ | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | btw i answered your comments noobins :D | [23:22] |
pankkake | also stuff has a tendency to disappear at the border | [23:22] |
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nubbins` | mircea_popescu: just finished; we're *all* misrepresenting the situation. the artists, the art dealers, the museum-going public, and every single person who commented on that post, yourself included. this is why "what is art" is an interesting topic for discussion; everyone colors it with their own experience. | [23:34] |
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mircea_popescu | no, you're all doing it except me. | [23:34] |
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mircea_popescu | you know this because i can enact my point in your system, but you can't enact your point in mine. | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | in all situations where a set of representations appears equivalent but one excludes all others, that's also the correct one, and the others are degenerate. | [23:35] |
nubbins` | i'm still trying to figure out if i should determine the nature of your point or the nature of your system first! | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | lol good point. | [23:38] |
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nubbins` | anyway, certainly one of the more entertaining reads (article + comments) so far | [23:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.77999998 = 3.9 BTC [+] {2} | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=753nCv6tl2s | [23:42] |
ozbot | By special request, the Imperial March on Kazoo - YouTube | [23:42] |
nubbins` | *blink* | [23:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.7931355 = 5.5519 BTC [+] {4} | [23:43] |
nubbins` | that's quite the outfit | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | it's kinda what i think when i hear star wars. | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | that guy. | [23:46] |
nubbins` | a reasonable enough representation | [23:47] |
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