Forum logs for 03 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mod6 ;;bc,stats [00:19]
gribble Current Blocks: 267585 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 13 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 511493319.444 | Estimated Percent Change: 30.84054 [00:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 0.06122199 = 0.8571 BTC [+] [00:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00769998 = 0.9702 BTC [-] {4} [00:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00799983 = 0.744 BTC [+] {6} [01:03]
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jurov mhm, satoshidice has hefty Terms&Conditions nao. Of course:" Persons located in or residents of the United States and the United States Territories (the “Prohibited Jurisdictions”) are not permitted make use of the Service." [01:04]
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jurov i clicked "I disagree" and was let in :D [01:06]
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pankkake they check as hard as porn sites who ask you if you are 18 I guess [01:11]
skinnkavaj So LTC up 10% only today. [01:12]
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wao-wiggen lol:D [01:14]
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benkay skinnkavaj: what do these percents imply? [01:16]
pankkake who cares. it was still better to sell earlier, which you should have done instead of getting all butthurt [01:17]
skinnkavaj pankkake: I am not daytrading [01:18]
pankkake and now you're all day wishful thinking [01:18]
skinnkavaj I hold my LTC longterm [01:18]
pankkake it's not about days [01:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00819242 = 0.8192 BTC [+] {6} [01:19]
pankkake I have plenty of time to buy back if there ever is a reason. and here you're just bragging about daily little changes [01:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3794 @ 0.00081891 = 3.1069 BTC [+] {2} [01:20]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Trust me you are gonna buy in when it's too high already [01:20]
skinnkavaj I am spending all my LTC [01:21]
skinnkavaj Sent a mail to bitcoinity.org [01:21]
skinnkavaj about doing an litecoinity version if I pay him [01:21]
skinnkavaj Also hiring developers for new blockchain.info server with goal of making it better + LTC support [01:21]
benkay amazing mail! [01:21]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:21]
skinnkavaj I know [01:22]
pankkake well litecoin certainly needs decent websites and alternative clients [01:22]
skinnkavaj He replied he will think about it [01:22]
benkay what's your budget, skinnkavaj? [01:22]
skinnkavaj He was on holiday [01:22]
pankkake I mean it looks like there isn't even a web wallet [01:22]
skinnkavaj benkay: Why are you asking [01:22]
benkay always got my ears out for a new hustle [01:23]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Next friday I will launch a Litecoin service which will be kept secrete until it's live [01:23]
pankkake me too [01:23]
benkay i'll secrete something [01:23]
benkay your secretions are safe with -assets [01:24]
skinnkavaj The secret is not that I am launching a litecoin service [01:24]
skinnkavaj Everyone could guess [01:24]
skinnkavaj That [01:25]
benkay from the ceaseless litecoin hype frothing from your face? [01:25]
benkay naw. [01:26]
skinnkavaj Correct. [01:26]
skinnkavaj benkay: Show me what you have developed earlier [01:26]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Armory and Trezor is coming with LTC support [01:26]
skinnkavaj Looking forward to that [01:26]
pankkake source? especially for Armory which I follow closely [01:27]
skinnkavaj It's not like LTC is going away anytime soon. LTC is here to stay as long as BTC is here to stay. Then we might have another competing coin that take over in the future, but that will take a lot of time even if its better than BTC/LTC. [01:27]
pankkake come on, stop with the empty "here to say" and "not going away", this means nothing [01:28]
pankkake https://github.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory/issues/32 [01:28]
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pankkake and copying every bitcoin service isn't enough - why use it if it has no clear advantage? [01:33]
pankkake this always fail on the "why" [01:33]
benkay haven't you heard, it has mining for the undercapitalized [01:33]
skinnkavaj pankkake: If you think LTC will be dead in one year you must be blind. I feel sorry for you. [01:35]
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pankkake it's bitcoin for people who want to be early adopter or want to use their gaming pcs, which is bad enough. but even ignoring that, I don't see anything compelling [01:35]
pankkake "dead" is also an empty statement [01:36]
benkay and 1 year an arbitrary timeframe [01:36]
benkay all wrapped in a lovely strawman [01:36]
pankkake but perhaps you should look at the history of altcoins [01:36]
pankkake and feelings shouldn't have anything to do with that [01:36]
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skinnkavaj pankkake: LTC is the first good copy cat of BTC. And like everyone know the first copycat always succeeds, while the others fail. Look at feathercoin, I don't see any future there. [01:37]
skinnkavaj It's important for the development to not become to corrupt, to have two strong open source currencies. [01:38]
pankkake I hope your ltc "investment" decision has better foundations than that "everyone know" [01:38]
pankkake …and you do not understand how Bitcoin works [01:38]
pankkake or open source for the matter [01:38]
skinnkavaj OH yes I do, but I still see it's possible to infiltrate and try to destroy innovation even when it's open sourced. [01:39]
pankkake open source is already a protection against developers being corrupt. you don't have to have a fork of every open source software to keep the developers in check. that would be insane [01:39]
pankkake it happens when needed [01:40]
pankkake but bitcoin is even harder to corrupt [01:40]
benkay but pankkake that doesn't prevent to corrupt innovate [01:40]
pankkake changes have to be approved by the majority of the p2p network and even harder, the network [01:40]
pankkake the miners* [01:41]
kakobrekla just the pool ops really [01:41]
pankkake pools can lose their miners [01:41]
pankkake is there an altcoin list by date of introduction? [01:42]
kakobrekla but miners are people and people are stupid [01:42]
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skinnkavaj pankkake: There was like 5-6 altcoins launched before LTC, but none of them were really good. One was premined, one was scrypt but not premined, LTC was the one that won. Now I am only waiting for the third coin, but that will take a lot of time to be decided. [01:43]
kakobrekla you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more. [01:44]
pankkake or pircea_momescu [01:44]
jurov ;;seen ozbot [01:44]
gribble ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: Re:Surgo [01:44]
skinnkavaj Omg LTC/USD 2.6 [01:45]
skinnkavaj When is this minibubble crashing [01:46]
pankkake there was a lot of hype about solidcoin IIRC. actually, it put me off bitcoin at that time. where is it now? [01:46]
pankkake I thought you were not daytrading [01:46]
skinnkavaj I am not [01:46]
pankkake why watch the price all the time? [01:47]
kakobrekla pankkake hes just a trolliar [01:47]
jurov pankkake iirc it was revealed as scam [01:47]
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skinnkavaj Daytrading is a fool's game pankkake. [01:50]
pankkake I am not arguing for it, I am not weathly enough to make it worthwile anyway [01:50]
skinnkavaj But tbh sounds stupid to buy into LTC when it's already high pankkake, that sounds like a really stupid plan. [01:50]
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pankkake that bot is an ass [01:52]
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benkay .bait [02:02]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/b1f0feb59b74d7922c8641f9f1e9a791/tumblr_mfaiciB7G11rlp769o1_500.jpg [02:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00755 = 0.151 BTC [-] [02:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06099999 = 0.305 BTC [-] [02:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] [02:23]
mircea_popescu you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more. << [02:28]
pankkake he stalking me :( [02:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.895 BTC [+] [02:31]
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KRS1 oh man thats nice [02:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00108501 = 1.085 BTC [-] {4} [02:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [02:45]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.00986, Best ask: 213.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00014, Last trade: 213.00986, 24 hour volume: 4358.73830996, 24 hour low: 211.02000, 24 hour high: 214.87996, 24 hour vwap: 213.03851 [02:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00024444 = 0.2444 BTC [+] {2} [02:45]
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benkay amusing that gox is still default for ticker [02:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18553 @ 0.00082617 = 15.3279 BTC [+] {2} [02:58]
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mod6 so this guy is the gatekeeper for all BIPs? Please send all BIP-related email to [02:58]
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mod6 https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0001 [02:58]
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* mod6 is digging into http://trilema.com/2013/the-perfect-escrow/ [02:58]
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mod6 which, actually, im suprised there isn't any comments yet. despite mp asking for commentary... [02:59]
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benkay mod6: gotta re-read it three more times. [03:03]
mod6 im on round two :] [03:04]
mod6 read it for the first time about a week ago. now, re-reading after some thought. [03:05]
mod6 im looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0010 further to see what it holds [03:06]
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mod6 does anyone know if TxDP "multi-signature transactions" have been implemented in bitcoind or whatever from bitcoin.org? | That page was last updated: This page was last modified on 18 January 2013, at 14:57. [03:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.897 = 2.691 BTC [+] [03:11]
mod6 gd i hate pdfs [03:12]
* mod6 winces and reads [03:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.897 = 1.794 BTC [+] [03:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00276056 = 0.1159 BTC [+] {3} [03:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 208 @ 0.00813745 = 1.6926 BTC [+] {5} [03:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002779 = 0.2223 BTC [+] [03:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00819 = 0.86 BTC [+] [03:30]
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mod6 you know whats bizzare? not having to translate trilema.com from ro to en [03:59]
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* mod6 remembers those days [03:59]
mod6 :D [03:59]
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mircea_popescu lol mod6 [04:00]
mircea_popescu chtulhu now speaks your language [04:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00818 = 0.638 BTC [-] [04:01]
mod6 haha :} [04:02]
mircea_popescu lol [04:02]
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mod6 so as in the Lamport scheme: RNG produces 256 p & q respectively (512 hashes total), each 256 bits in size these combined are the privkey (p1->256+q1->256 )all of these together equal the privkey. and the pubkey is each of the 512 p's & q's hashed (256 bit) and concatenated together? [05:00]
mod6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamport_signature [05:01]
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asciilifeform mod6: trying to implement provable-share secret-splitting? [05:02]
mod6 haha, i'd like to implement it. but i gotta make sure i have my head wrapped around it first :) [05:03]
asciilifeform there's probably a thousand ways to do it. [05:03]
asciilifeform tricky bit is: to avoid leaking key. [05:04]
mod6 yeah, i like how simplistic it seems. [05:04]
asciilifeform normally in a secret-splitter, the individual shares are indistinguishable from noise. [05:04]
asciilifeform if your application doesn't need the provability part, use ordinary (e.g. Shamir's) secret-splitter. [05:05]
asciilifeform it (provably) 'does what's printed on the box.' [05:05]
asciilifeform (proof is an exercise for alert reader.) [05:06]
mod6 ahh, as far as leaking key part: Obviously should you reuse the same key to sign a different message you’ll be leaking key bits and eventually your key can be brokenii. << noted. [05:07]
asciilifeform mod6: that's true of any signature algo that uses a nonce [05:07]
asciilifeform what i meant was something rather more subtle [05:07]
asciilifeform if the shares are distinguishable from noise, they contain information which pertains to the key. (obvious.) hence said information must be a 'one way' ticket. [05:08]
asciilifeform (must conjecture that trapdoors exist. naturally) [05:08]
asciilifeform so k of m shares gives you key, but k-1 should give you bupkis. [05:09]
asciilifeform simplest way i can think of is rsa with >2 private primes (lamport, or see MP's writeup) [05:10]
mod6 thanks for your input asciilifeform. [05:11]
asciilifeform exercise for the (very) alert reader: come up with a scheme where you can prove the actual number of distinct shareholders, given their pubkeys (allowed to assume they aren't all sockpuppets) [05:11]
asciilifeform that is, for all pubkeys, for each - can prove that it is a share. and that no others exist. [05:12]
mod6 does this matter in the case where the dealer is a shithead? [05:13]
asciilifeform well, dealer presumably has the key being split [05:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082339 = 12.5155 BTC [-] {2} [05:14]
asciilifeform for extra points: 'byzantine' scheme, sans dealer. [05:14]
asciilifeform that is, players agree on what constitutes a 'go' signal, and arrive at a set of split secrets that can be added up to said signal, verifiably - without a dealer. [05:15]
mod6 oh ok [05:15]
mod6 hmm. [05:16]
asciilifeform see 'millionaire protocol' for hint. [05:16]
mod6 socialist millionaire problem || http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire [05:18]
asciilifeform right [05:19]
mod6 damnit, you guys are smrt. [05:19]
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* mod6 is like a week behind [05:20]
asciilifeform mod6: not like i thought up any of this personally [05:20]
mod6 still [05:22]
mod6 to those following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir's_Secret_Sharing [05:25]
mod6 anyway, i was very intetersted in the VPSS scheme even though i'm sort of deep into implementing cramer-shoup into libgcrypt. [05:27]
mod6 thought i should dig into this article & related papers. [05:28]
mod6 with any luck i'll get CS working within the libgcrypt framework then can mod gnupg to utilize it. [05:29]
Ademan Dang am I happy I bought asicminer last week, that paid off really quickly [05:31]
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mod6 Each Lamport public key can only be used to sign one single message, which means many keys have to be published if many messages are to be signed. But a hash tree can be used on those public keys, publishing the top hash of the hash tree instead. This increases the size of the resulting signature, since parts of the hash tree have to be included in the signature, but it makes it possible to publish a single hash that then can be used to verify any given n [05:39]
mod6 from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamport_signature [05:39]
mod6 <3 crypto [05:40]
mod6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle_signature_scheme [05:40]
mod6 sound familiar? haha [05:41]
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asciilifeform 'all who don't understand btc, are doomed to reinvent it' [05:41]
mod6 :] [05:43]
mod6 are you still into urbit? [05:46]
asciilifeform me? never really was, aside from having solved the 'entrance exam' [05:46]
asciilifeform tried to talk some sense into the author back in '10 [05:47]
asciilifeform that building on c/unix is a mistake [05:47]
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asciilifeform now he and the merry band are fighting memory leaks, inexplicable crashes, and other joys. [05:47]
mod6 one of these guys has a hardon for implemeting xrp with it directly instead of btc, can't shake him. [05:48]
asciilifeform all entirely unnecessary, and crap i want no part of. [05:48]
mod6 yeah, it basically works, until they change something then you have to re-pull all source and rebuild, etc. [05:48]
asciilifeform the idea of implementing something on urbit would be more interesting if the thing actually worked. [05:48]
mod6 pretty shakey still [05:48]
mod6 ya [05:48]
asciilifeform there is such a thing as an 'impedance mismatch.' [05:48]
asciilifeform a 'from scratch' OS on top of the world's 2nd biggest steaming turd is a bad thing, regardless of how close it can be brought to an approximation of working, through brute sweat. [05:50]
asciilifeform this kind of thing has to be done from silicon up. [05:50]
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mod6 haha do you mean unix to be the 2nd biggest steaming turd? [05:56]
asciilifeform right. [05:56]
mod6 what do you like better? windows? [05:56]
asciilifeform the 1st biggest? [05:56]
asciilifeform i'd prefer something that isn't a turd. [05:57]
mod6 do you prefer any specific unix flavor? [05:57]
asciilifeform linux, as 'necessary evil' [05:57]
asciilifeform but never as a foundation for anything claiming to be a 'redesign of computing' [05:58]
mod6 what about freebsd or openbsd? [05:58]
* mod6 hates SVR4 [05:58]
asciilifeform used to run freebsd at home, at one time [05:58]
Ademan the hell is urbit? [05:59]
asciilifeform Ademan: http://www.urbit.org/ [05:59]
mod6 i agree on philosophy though. why build something that is dependant on something undereath? how does that get one somewhere? [06:00]
asciilifeform mod6: see, i tell people, 'trinary logic, clockless Muller gates, direct execution of high-level language.' [06:00]
asciilifeform and they say 'you're a nut. we wanna get stuff done Right Now.' [06:00]
asciilifeform software sucks because hardware sucks. 'you can't pour a bullet from shit.' [06:01]
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mod6 haha [06:02]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55 [06:03]
ozbot Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. [06:03]
mod6 i mean, the idea of a 'successor of unix' is appleaing to me, eventhough I <3 *nix (in general compared to whatever, windows). it would be amazing to have something abstracted to the level where it can handle physical systems and be virtualized too and be next gen [06:04]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:04]
mod6 lol asciilifeform [06:05]
mod6 err assbot [06:05]
asciilifeform mod6: once you understand how much of what you presently know will be irrelevant (actually, harmful) after a serious rethinking of computing, you'll shit yourself. [06:05]
asciilifeform don't worry, not much risk of it actually happening in real life. [06:06]
* mod6 ponders [06:06]
asciilifeform just try telling people: 'yes, you'll have to throw away your RAM. and every line of code anyone's ever written.' [06:07]
mod6 isn't it exciting? [06:07]
asciilifeform exciting, until you realize 1) it won't happen, and 2) it must [06:07]
mod6 if it must, it will [06:08]
asciilifeform qwerty's still here. [06:08]
asciilifeform people will put up with astounding levels of dysfunction because 'they want to get things done.' [06:09]
mod6 hahaha. yah but people are creatures of habit. but thats only because it's been allowed to persist. if people were only given type A new keyboard (dvorak) then that'd be used. kinda like only left hockey sticks in soivet union. [06:09]
mod6 i never personally switched to dvorak because the friend that i have who did had the issue of trying to constantly switch everyone elses computer to dvorak if he wanted to use it. [06:11]
mod6 muscle memory is a bitch [06:11]
mod6 i guess this might not be relevant. [06:11]
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mod6 so what if we got to a point where we needed to throw everything existing away (now), how we would we proceed? [06:13]
mod6 we'd simply only have a lesson in what not to do. [06:13]
mod6 but we wouldn't have a map in what to do, only what not to do. [06:13]
* mod6 thinks [06:14]
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mod6 asciilifeform: so we must go back to the form of the turing machine or DFA to re-invent the modern os? or do you think even that must be re-thought because of the possibility of quantum computers? [06:21]
mod6 ( i like this thread, even if it leads no-where in particular. just curious, searching for ideas. ) [06:25]
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mod6 ahh i see your comment and reply in that article: I believe that efficiency in computer design is a false god. Give me an “inefficient” but responsive and “Seven-Laws Compliant” computer any day of the week in place of the monstrous PC, that race car which regards steering wheel input as mere advice and so eagerly speeds off cliffs and into embankments. << hahaha [06:35]
mod6 i agree, there has to be a better way. [06:41]
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mod6 anyway, i guess i'll get back to it. thanks for the convo. [06:48]
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KRS1 http://paste2.org/6tY0zHY9 [07:06]
KRS1 oops [07:06]
KRS1 I meant http://cdn.meme.li/i/pekig.jpg [07:07]
KRS1 lul [07:12]
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jurov ;;bc,stats [12:51]
gribble Current Blocks: 267686 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 441 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 511949177.601 | Estimated Percent Change: 30.95714 [12:51]
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jurov nubbins`: did you declare sufficiently high value for our watchful customs to intercept it and demand ransom? [23:17]
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nubbins` the postal clerk filled out all the customs forms for me. pretty sure they're all marked as "t-shirt", gift, no cash value [23:18]
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jurov good. cuz americans like, in their blessed innocece, to declare $$$$ value and then it's headache [23:20]
jurov *innocence [23:20]
nubbins` i sold some poor EU guy a rare casascius coin a while back. he insisted on insuring it for its full value, and was very sad when he had to pay hundreds of dollars before they released his package [23:21]
mircea_popescu innocaecity [23:21]
nubbins` innococracy [23:21]
pankkake that's why I don't like to order stuff outside of the EU :/ [23:22]
mircea_popescu btw i answered your comments noobins :D [23:22]
pankkake also stuff has a tendency to disappear at the border [23:22]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: just finished; we're *all* misrepresenting the situation. the artists, the art dealers, the museum-going public, and every single person who commented on that post, yourself included. this is why "what is art" is an interesting topic for discussion; everyone colors it with their own experience. [23:34]
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mircea_popescu no, you're all doing it except me. [23:34]
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mircea_popescu you know this because i can enact my point in your system, but you can't enact your point in mine. [23:34]
mircea_popescu in all situations where a set of representations appears equivalent but one excludes all others, that's also the correct one, and the others are degenerate. [23:35]
nubbins` i'm still trying to figure out if i should determine the nature of your point or the nature of your system first! [23:36]
mircea_popescu lol good point. [23:38]
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nubbins` anyway, certainly one of the more entertaining reads (article + comments) so far [23:41]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=753nCv6tl2s [23:42]
ozbot By special request, the Imperial March on Kazoo - YouTube [23:42]
nubbins` *blink* [23:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.7931355 = 5.5519 BTC [+] {4} [23:43]
nubbins` that's quite the outfit [23:44]
mircea_popescu it's kinda what i think when i hear star wars. [23:46]
mircea_popescu that guy. [23:46]
nubbins` a reasonable enough representation [23:47]
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