Forum logs for 04 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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jurov the correct one, and the others are degenerate *rolls eyes* [00:12]
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mircea_popescu jurov im super cereal. [00:13]
nubbins` i'm curious to know what your description of my system would be [00:14]
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jurov "lurk moar" [00:16]
mircea_popescu he was asking you neh ? [00:17]
nubbins` nope, that was directed towards you [00:17]
nubbins` you can't claim to know a man's mind and not expect him to ask you to elaborate [00:18]
mircea_popescu ah. well i wouldn't know "your" system. what you've written so far is coherent with naive nominalism, ie the ideology of all youths. occam requires it be described as such. [00:18]
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mircea_popescu (naive nominalism is the view that convention enacts existence, and thus forumers are "ceo"s and their harebrained schemes "companies") [00:20]
mircea_popescu that aside, there aren't really enough points given explicitly to make much of a call. [00:21]
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nubbins` and thus, random bozos are "artists"? [00:22]
mircea_popescu if you call them that. [00:23]
nubbins` if the random bozo creates something that i like, what else would i call him? [00:23]
mircea_popescu but there's a difference between calling a dude a nigger for convenience, as the shortest word available, [00:24]
mircea_popescu and calling a dude a nigger for racism. [00:24]
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nubbins` i dunno, man. maybe i'm applying too much of my interpretation of your "system" into your words, but it seems like you're flat-out stating that it's not art unless someone in a position of power or influence over the artist decrees it to be so [00:27]
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mircea_popescu no, i am flat out stating that. [00:27]
nubbins` and i find such a stance so bizarre that i'm not even sure where to begin picking it apart [00:27]
mircea_popescu i know. [00:28]
nubbins` about five years ago, i moved into an apartment and found a large piece of wall panelling with a picture painted on the back side of it. it's currently gracing the wall of my living room. [00:29]
nubbins` no name, no identifying marks whatsoever, no way for me to ever find out who made it or to contact them in any way [00:29]
nubbins` to propose that i hold any position relative to its creator, above or below, is simply nonsense [00:30]
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nubbins` and yet, there it sits on my wall [00:30]
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nubbins` unequivocally and inarguably a work of art [00:30]
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mircea_popescu "unequivocally and inarguably a work of art" only in the republic of one constructed by your own living room, of which you are president. [00:31]
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nubbins` YES [00:31]
nubbins` my fucking point exactly [00:31]
mircea_popescu why do you expect solipsism to be considered by others ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu your problem, not apt to be brought to the forum. [00:32]
mircea_popescu for that matter, you may perhaps in time come to own a miniature of the eiffel tower, which you may emplace on your commode, [00:33]
mircea_popescu or in your rectum. [00:33]
mircea_popescu it'd be "the eiffel tower of my commode", but only inasmuch as you are concerned. [00:33]
nubbins` sure [00:33]
mircea_popescu it's not germane to call it "the eiffel tower" in conversation. [00:33]
nubbins` well, you're the one bringing definite articles into play [00:34]
nubbins` it's not THE art on my walls, it's A piece of art [00:34]
mircea_popescu yes, because i am the one discussing art, [00:34]
mircea_popescu not whatever irreelvant stuff you're personally dreaming up all for yourself. [00:34]
mircea_popescu the eiffel tower on yoru commode is not a piece of eiffel towers. [00:34]
nubbins` everything is irrelevant but the opinion of the observer [00:35]
mircea_popescu it has literally nothing to do with the eiffel tower. [00:35]
mircea_popescu no. [00:35]
nubbins` yes. [00:35]
nubbins` universally, no [00:35]
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mircea_popescu well so there you have it. [00:35]
nubbins` but as a matter of determining whether it's art, yes [00:35]
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mircea_popescu there are qualifications needed to be an observer. you don't become an observer of the battle of thermopylae just by stating yourself as an observer [00:35]
nubbins` oh, you most certainly do [00:35]
nubbins` an observer needs no qualifications beyond the ability to observe [00:36]
nubbins` the validity of their observations can certainly be debated [00:36]
mircea_popescu this may be the best stating of the naive nominalism discussed above. [00:36]
nubbins` just as the validity of what my opinion of art is can be debated [00:36]
mircea_popescu you presume youy have the faculty to observe. [00:36]
mircea_popescu this presumption is wholly unsubstantiated. [00:36]
nubbins` art doesn't exist in a vacuum [00:37]
dexX7 observer? http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mircea-popescu-gpl-3.jpg [00:37]
nubbins` you touched on this when you said it was inert [00:37]
nubbins` but that's just another way of questioning whether an event happens if there is no observer [00:38]
nubbins` trees falling, noises being made, etc [00:38]
nubbins` and that's fair in the sense that art is some sort of schrodinger's cat type thing [00:38]
nubbins` where it's neither art nor not-art until someone looks at it [00:39]
mircea_popescu nah, see, the equivocation at work here is that the requirements for being an observer in the foresrt with a falling tree are very low [00:39]
nubbins` but the difference here is that all can agree on whether or not a cat is dead [00:39]
nubbins` because that's quantifiable [00:39]
mircea_popescu one can't turn arround and expect all situations have equally low bars [00:39]
nubbins` none can agree on whether or not X is art [00:39]
nubbins` because it's simply not quantifiable [00:39]
mircea_popescu dexX7 jus' me an' my hat. [00:39]
nubbins` how many arts is Starry Night? how many arts is Fountain? [00:40]
dexX7 https://www.google.com/search?q=fringe+observer but i'm sure you know ;) [00:40]
mircea_popescu dexX7 whassat ? [00:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i dunno what cats have to do with this. is it an internet thing ? [00:41]
dexX7 fringe is a us tv series [00:41]
nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat [00:42]
nubbins` due to quantum physics gibberish, the cat is neither dead nor alive until observed [00:42]
nubbins` the natural extrapolation of your argument is that you can walk up to a woman weeping at the beauty of a painting, or of a spoken word, and politely inform her that what she has observed is, in fact, not art [00:43]
* jurov has hopelessly mainstream taste and readily agrees with any definition of art [00:43]
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nubbins` but the very fact that she weeps implies that she is having a strong emotional response to it [00:43]
nubbins` which in turn implies that she [00:44]
nubbins` oh fuck i smell smoke hold on [00:44]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` you could slap her, or kidnap her to the same strong emotional response [00:47]
mircea_popescu "what literature pays best ?" "ransom notes" [00:47]
mircea_popescu more's the point : your example is counterfactual. i would never talk to some anodyne serf woman, [00:48]
nubbins` and there are those who would argue that such a kidnapping is "performance art" [00:48]
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mircea_popescu you might as well propose the cancer walk in the front door one day and begin jacking off. [00:48]
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nubbins` i disagree, but my disagreement merely illustrates my point [00:49]
mircea_popescu "jacking off" ?! it has no penis. [00:49]
nubbins` i'm merely offering the simplest explanation for the fact that there are so many things which some people call art and other people don't [00:50]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the miscasting as art as "that which yields emotional response" is roughly the reason trolling has become such a big deal culturally. [00:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yes, but your explanation requires people be equal and interchangeable, which is beyond naive. [00:50]
mircea_popescu you might as well offer an explanation of art for spherical chickens that live in vacuums. [00:51]
nubbins` your explanation requires that some higher power declares X to be art and Y to be not-art [00:51]
nubbins` which is pretty lelly [00:51]
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nubbins` suppose person X says "this sculpture i've commissioned is art" and person Y says "nay, you are my subject, and i declare it to be not-art" [00:52]
nubbins` well, obviously person Z (X and Y's superior) should be the REAL person to ask, right? [00:53]
nubbins` and so on and so on [00:53]
nubbins` and you arrive at the conclusion that art is declared by edict from god [00:53]
nubbins` or, y'know, occam's razor. it's art if i think it's art. [00:54]
nubbins` the obvious implication is that the words "to me" are inserted between "art" and "if" [00:54]
mircea_popescu except no one cares about any "to me" sentence. they're voiceless. [00:55]
nubbins` because there's no other way to quantify it, and if you can't quantify things, you certainly can't classify them [00:55]
nubbins` sure, but what does that change? [00:56]
mircea_popescu looky, this trick where you go "mpex is too hard, i don;'t understand it ; therefore we must all glbse because there's no other way to do it" isn't logically sound. [00:56]
mircea_popescu it is the avatar of youth, but so are many other illogical topoi [00:56]
nubbins` someone says a piss pot "is art to me". i don't care, because whether it's art to them has no bearing on whether it's art to me [00:56]
mircea_popescu the "to me" approach is unsound. this disqualifies it, perpetually and definitively. [00:56]
mircea_popescu the remainder is the "to whom ?" approach, which reduces to social hierarchy. [00:57]
mircea_popescu no problem here. [00:57]
nubbins` art acts on people. without "to me", it does not exist [00:57]
mircea_popescu you presume all action is with the voluntary subjection fo the subject [00:57]
mircea_popescu this may be true, but the subjection needn't be conscious. [00:57]
nubbins` agreed [00:58]
mircea_popescu you don't discuss surgery in terms of the subjective impressions of patients. a similar discussion of any other craft is similarly out of place. [00:58]
mircea_popescu obviously the surgeons are surgeons by decree rather than because "people" feel surgeonized by them [00:58]
nubbins` surgery definitely falls into the realm of the quantifiable. [00:58]
mircea_popescu only in the minds of people who have no idea what it is. [00:58]
mircea_popescu in point of fact it's about as vague as art. [00:59]
mircea_popescu which is why malpraxis is such a mess. [00:59]
nubbins` "you're cured if i say you're cured" [00:59]
mircea_popescu exactly. [00:59]
nubbins` "it's art if i tell you it's art" [00:59]
mircea_popescu if and only if, when and only when. [00:59]
nubbins` "i'm cured if my condition is gone" [01:00]
mircea_popescu does the oncology patient go "all is well doc, i feel cured" ? [01:00]
nubbins` "it's art if i say it's art" [01:00]
mircea_popescu no, they go o please divine my fortunes, good master. [01:00]
nubbins` "cured" has nothing to do with feeling [01:00]
mircea_popescu it's quite a case of "you're cured if and when i say you're cured". [01:00]
nubbins` art has much to do with it [01:00]
mircea_popescu with feeling, perhaps. with conscious feeling rarely. [01:00]
nubbins` hmm [01:01]
mircea_popescu when i say "it's art because X feels Y" i may be right. when you say "it's art because I feel Y" you're certain to be wrong. [01:01]
nubbins` mp says it's art because nubbins wept, vs nubbins says it's art because nubbins wept [01:02]
mircea_popescu to be formal, [01:02]
nubbins` same conclusion, different route [01:03]
mircea_popescu mp said it's art, and it makes nubbins weep, vs nubbins thinks it;'s art because that's why he thinks he wept [01:03]
nubbins` ... [01:03]
mircea_popescu these are not the same. and for that matter the latter's logically unsound. [01:03]
mircea_popescu (in nubbins' instance, not in the general form) [01:04]
nubbins` you changed your example a bit there [01:04]
mircea_popescu how ? [01:04]
nubbins` you went from "because x feels y" to "and x feels y" [01:04]
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nubbins` mp said it's art because it makes nubbins weep, or mp said it's art and it makes nubbins weep? [01:05]
mircea_popescu there is no because in the correct statement. in fact, we can judge how good a nubbins you are by how adequately you weep when art is presented [01:05]
mircea_popescu NOT the other way around, judge art by how it "makes" you weep or not. [01:05]
nubbins` well, obviously it's not the art but nubbins himself that is the cause of the weeping [01:06]
mircea_popescu nope. [01:06]
nubbins` but let's not get tangled up [01:06]
mircea_popescu this naive "man at center of everything" goes well with the naive nominalism, but it's quite as nutty. [01:06]
nubbins` let's examine "mp said it's art" [01:07]
mircea_popescu ok. [01:07]
nubbins` presumably mp has criteria? [01:07]
mircea_popescu none of your business as they may be,. [01:07]
mircea_popescu presumably he does. [01:07]
nubbins` sure. nevertheless, we can presume that he does [01:07]
mircea_popescu yea. [01:07]
nubbins` we can also presume that nubbins also has criteria [01:07]
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mircea_popescu why ? [01:07]
nubbins` as a facile counterpoint, why not? [01:08]
mircea_popescu because it's not only facile, but wrong. [01:08]
nubbins` surely there must be something that makes mp a good judge and nubbins a poor one? [01:08]
mircea_popescu mp is one of the lords. he makes art be. of course we can presume anything. [01:08]
nubbins` ahahaha [01:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins is no such lord. we're going to have to explain why we presume. [01:08]
nubbins` it's art by holy edict! [01:08]
mircea_popescu that's the point of the article. [01:08]
nubbins` you're a complicated man [01:09]
mircea_popescu surely there must be something that makes mp a good judge and nubbins a poor one? << this implies that perhaps nubbins could move upwards in society, and contains implicit an equivalency of substance between the two. this isn't an accepted point between us. [01:09]
mircea_popescu so if it's true, you'll have to prove it. [01:09]
nubbins` ^ this implies that there's a ladder we're both on and you're above me on it [01:10]
nubbins` so if it's true, you'll have to prove it. [01:10]
mircea_popescu well not you and me personally [01:10]
mircea_popescu but the icons we're discussing [01:10]
nubbins` any two people [01:10]
nubbins` sure [01:10]
mircea_popescu i have to prove naught. i just make the art be art. [01:10]
nubbins` so you pop into someone's house, point to a painting, and say "actually that's not art at all", and thus it was never art [01:12]
mircea_popescu how would mp and nubbins socially interract ? [01:12]
nubbins` i'm not sure we would [01:12]
mircea_popescu i pop into someone's house by the intermediate agency of his wife which is now my slave [01:12]
mircea_popescu and she throws out all their old shit cause now she knows better. [01:13]
mircea_popescu "you know what ? my old junk wasn't art at all" [01:13]
nubbins` that could happen without any outside influence [01:13]
nubbins` and indeed it does, all the fucking time [01:13]
nubbins` in fact, it even happens in the other direction! [01:14]
nubbins` "hey, y'know, this album is actually pretty good" [01:14]
nubbins` "this drawing has really grown on me" [01:14]
mircea_popescu but this has little to do. you were discussing a particular application of the theory, with what i took as a view to reduce it to absurd. [01:14]
nubbins` everything is absurd. [01:14]
mircea_popescu i've shown the approach not to really work, we can move on [01:14]
nubbins` of course, absurdity is a spectrum [01:15]
mircea_popescu lol. [01:15]
nubbins` the entire sphere of art rests squarely on the more [01:15]
mircea_popescu the curse of this particular equalitarian-nominalism ogre is that it can't really make stateemnts. [01:15]
nubbins` "absurd" end of that spectrum [01:16]
nubbins` well, obviously, if you take my view, all art is a bit of a beat-off [01:16]
nubbins` an absurd, senseless beat-off [01:16]
nubbins` if one chooses to make himself an authority in such an arena, well, so be it [01:18]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322809.msg3474594#msg3474594 john k's not dead [01:18]
ozbot Where's John K? [01:18]
nubbins` but he deceives himself if he thinks he can avoid becoming part of the beat-off [01:18]
nubbins` after all, what's a bigger beat-off than "i'm the guy who sez what's art and what's not"? [01:19]
nubbins` it's enough to make your sides ache. [01:19]
mircea_popescu you know that seinfeld episode when george is pitching to the network nubbins ? [01:20]
nubbins` vague recollection, specifics are lost in the haze [01:21]
mircea_popescu "so what's this idea ?" "it's nothing" "Then why am I watching it ?" "because it's on tv" "not yet." [01:21]
mircea_popescu that's it right there. i'm the guy who sez. [01:21]
nubbins` not the best analogy [01:21]
nubbins` tv has gatekeepers [01:22]
nubbins` you wanna air a tv show, you need the permission of your master [01:22]
nubbins` you wanna paint something or write a song, you're limited only by your own level of ambition [01:22]
mircea_popescu ah, and "art" is free, [01:22]
mircea_popescu you just put it on etsy ? [01:22]
nubbins` etsy has listing fees ;) [01:23]
mircea_popescu but this sort of drawer novel, as it was known, doesn't exist in the sense of art. [01:23]
mircea_popescu it exists in the sense of masturbation, or w/e the author does in his privacy. [01:23]
nubbins` so it's art if it reaches an audience of a certain size [01:23]
mircea_popescu think of an old painting being discovered in a stahs. what is the question first and foremost asked ? is it something as to the paionting itself or is it as to the pedigree of the owner ? [01:24]
mircea_popescu nobody goes "i found a 500 year old kinda cool painting" [01:24]
mircea_popescu it only matters once it becomes "an old da vinci has been discovered" [01:24]
mircea_popescu audience has nothing to do with it. this is wholly a medieval-inspired problem of probatory. [01:24]
nubbins` nah [01:24]
nubbins` it matters to more people if it's an old davinci or what have you [01:25]
mircea_popescu if the shipwreck survivor found is a noble or a peasant, not if he owns a lot of farms and what havd you [01:25]
nubbins` but that doesn't preclude it mattering to anyone [01:25]
mircea_popescu if you insist to hold the utopian view. [01:25]
nubbins` oh, but i do! [01:25]
nubbins` we're all floating in a void [01:26]
mircea_popescu well the advantage of holding nonsense views (which utopianisms are by definiton) is that anything can be derived from them. [01:27]
mircea_popescu any conclusion is available to the inconsistent set of premises. [01:27]
nubbins` the magazines at the grocery store tell me that kim kardashian is very worthy of my attention, but that's simply false [01:27]
nubbins` well, yes. [01:27]
nubbins` what's more nonsense than debating whether or not something is art? [01:27]
mircea_popescu there can be no such debate. [01:28]
nubbins` or whether or not X or Y is a criteria for defining it? [01:28]
mircea_popescu art is art. you disagree, you may be punished by your lord. end of story. [01:28]
nubbins` or whether or not art exists? [01:28]
nubbins` or whether person X or person Y is an authority on the subject? [01:28]
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nubbins` unadulterated nonsense, all of it [01:29]
mircea_popescu so if you don't really wish to discuss art, why are you ? [01:29]
nubbins` regardless of a self-appointed lord's opinion [01:29]
nubbins` if i didn't wish to discuss it, i wouldn't. this is great. [01:29]
nubbins` you assume that people don't wish to discuss nonsense [01:29]
nubbins` the length of this exchange implies otherwise [01:30]
mircea_popescu lol no, you can't "Discuss" nonsense. to discuss a topic you have to renounce nonsense. [01:30]
mircea_popescu if you wish to wallow in nonsense you're stuck doing it by yourself [01:30]
mircea_popescu whether you get some others to do the same in your general proximity is irrelevant, everyone's still doing it by himself. [01:30]
mircea_popescu bukkake like [01:30]
nubbins` nonsense. you've been talking nonsense with me for like two hours. [01:30]
mircea_popescu wait till i publish it :) [01:31]
nubbins` wait til i draw it ;) [01:31]
mircea_popescu cool, go for it! [01:31]
mircea_popescu ima add it to the article [01:31]
nubbins` great, gimme an hour [01:32]
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mircea_popescu here you go. [01:35]
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pankkake is this art? http://i.imgur.com/lBx4YGG.png [01:50]
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mircea_popescu gotta ask putin. [01:52]
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nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/UXMRkTT.png [02:00]
nubbins` that's the best representation of our conversation that i could come up with [02:00]
mircea_popescu just in time! [02:01]
nubbins` phew! [02:02]
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nubbins` signed, numbered prints available; bare walls are for boors ;) [02:04]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/you-want-to-see-reactionary-ill-show-you-reactionary/ [02:04]
ozbot You want to see reactionary ? I’ll show you reactionary. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:04]
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nubbins` made it a couple of paragraphs in before realizing that i already knew how the conversation would go [02:08]
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mircea_popescu jhahaha [02:10]
mircea_popescu now you know how i feel. [02:10]
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nubbins` to a point, perhaps ;) [02:11]
nubbins` now you know why i leave the drawing to others [02:11]
mircea_popescu actually i think it wasn't bad. [02:11]
mircea_popescu think about it : the first of your productions to be art, [02:12]
mircea_popescu as enacted by trilema. [02:12]
nubbins` unfortunately, not the first [02:12]
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nubbins` although certainly the first time it's been featured in someone else's blog [02:13]
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pankkake wow pretty good drawing. i think I would have trouble with the teeth [02:30]
pankkake you must be a real artist [02:30]
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nubbins` not sure, you'd have to ask mp [02:33]
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nubbins` anyway, it doesn't even really matter what the specifics look like. it's all about layout on the page [02:36]
nubbins` how it reads [02:36]
nubbins` that's the first thing people see [02:37]
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bitcoin349 If the rat is on their computer from when I sent it without hiding my ip then I uninstall it before wiretransfering funds through bitcoin on a virtual machine with different settings and hiding ip on 3 layers would I be traced or would their not be a log in the ISP of the info about the rat. [02:45]
dub naturally [02:46]
Kleeck_ How is your VM getting out to the internet, bitcoin349? [02:47]
dub how dare you ask such personal questions [02:47]
Kleeck_ "_( [02:47]
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dub rats are very private animals [02:48]
dub respect that privacy [02:48]
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Kleeck_ "Rats. I hate rats." [02:49]
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mircea_popescu ;;google 7 proxies [02:50]
gribble Good Luck, I'm Behind 7 Proxies | Know Your Meme: ; 7 Proxies - Encyclopedia Dramatica: ; [ubuntu] 7 Proxies? - Ubuntu Forums: [02:50]
mircea_popescu 3 is wholly insufficient. [02:50]
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benkay this art discussion, yo [04:07]
benkay ain't nothing to it, really [04:07]
benkay the only opinions as what matter terribly are those as what emanate from the powerful [04:07]
benkay which is baseline true [04:08]
benkay it's like the f=ma of power dynamics [04:08]
mircea_popescu i been tryin to tell him [04:08]
benkay i did find the line about equivalency between aesthetic value and caloric value amusing [04:09]
benkay and i only deploy capital against aesthetic things when it's going to have some sort of caloric return. eg: "babe, take this small pile of capital and deploy it making this space look nice. that way when clients come by they won't be horrified by my abysmal decoration and might actually be impressed by my aesthetic committee's performance" [04:11]
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nubbins` so you pay someone to buy art to put in your home or office or w/e in order to not appear like the sort of person who would be perfectly content inside a grey cube [04:21]
nubbins` in that context, yes, i suppose you'd only have the opinion of the "powerful" on which to rely [04:21]
mircea_popescu burn the heretical unbeliever! [04:23]
nubbins` some of us demand more from our surroundings! [04:23]
mircea_popescu like better masking for the impact of power. [04:24]
nubbins` "man, this benkay guy must employ someone who has really good taste in art" [04:26]
benkay nubs, why u mad, brizzo? [04:27]
nubbins` i thought we were all mad here [04:27]
benkay there's some irony in there. [04:27]
nubbins` best cure for anemia [04:27]
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benkay i exercise veto all the time, man. neural nets need feedback to work correctly. [04:29]
benkay can't be arsed to go shopping though [04:30]
benkay very definitely a delegable task. [04:30]
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benkay on an entirely different topic, i fly to argentina tomorrow. i'd be glad to act as a proxy in buenos aires for, you know, not *anyone*, but people in this channel with btc-related inquiries [04:31]
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nubbins` honestly, the concept of going shopping for art hadn't occurred to me until now [04:36]
nubbins` you do it like you'd shop for pants or a new shower curtain or whatever? [04:37]
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benkay nubbins`: when a thing strikes me as being of high quality, i generally submit it to the aesthetics comittee for discussion and then instruct said aesthetes to purchase the thing [04:47]
benkay unless they have cogent reasons for to not, obviously. [04:47]
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benkay (high quality and, you know, appeals to my taste etc) [04:49]
benkay but occasionally i find myself confronted by a wall insufficiently arted [04:50]
nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2013#367374 [04:50]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [04:50]
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thestrin1puller nubbins` lol [04:59]
thestrin1puller you cray cray [04:59]
benkay cray like fox. [04:59]
thestrin1puller cray like kendrick lamar yo yo [04:59]
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thestringpuller gold for BTC, perfect way to launder [05:01]
nubbins` ^ [05:02]
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thestringpuller gpg yo [05:05]
nubbins` pdftk is a great program [05:05]
thestringpuller dat svg [05:06]
thestringpuller sexy sexy [05:06]
benkay the bounce is back [05:09]
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benkay "commodity backed cryptocurrency" [05:51]
benkay given that i can take my buttcorns down to ye local banker and turn them into commodities, this is idiocy on idiocy, right? [05:51]
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mircea_popescu so far. [05:52]
benkay "so far"? [05:53]
benkay meaning in the absence of a functional commodity-backed cc? [05:53]
mircea_popescu what you've said so far [05:53]
mircea_popescu mebbe there's more to it ? [05:53]
benkay not by my parsing. [05:54]
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benkay just thinking about the concept shows it riddled with the holes of weak minds [05:54]
benkay how does one trust the issuer of such cc to back it fully and not descend into fractional reserve behavior? [05:55]
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benkay i'm still trying to formulate an argument against people who hold that bitcoin is fiat currency [05:56]
benkay 'cause "it's backed by math, idiot" isn't working [05:56]
dub erryday I hear, 'no really what are you really cracking' [05:56]
benkay i find myself trying to convince people of stuff again dammit :( [05:56]
benkay dub: as in "are you on crack"? [05:58]
mircea_popescu da fuck is "bitcoin is fiat currency" supposed to mean ? [05:58]
benkay i think the implication is that it's a currency by consensus [05:59]
mike_c it doesn't mean anything. What they mean when they say it is that it isn't backed by anything of value. you know, like gold. [05:59]
benkay which is moronic given that all currencies are only such by consensus [05:59]
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opc0d3 ofmogmozgml0lgz [06:00]
benkay enlighten me opc0d3 [06:00]
mike_c it's one of those arguments that when you hear it, your ears start to bleed a little. [06:00]
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opc0d3 ICBIT.se 0% fees. mpex is going down the drain. ICBIT.se 2 years of rock solid trusted service. ICBIT.se futures much better then MPEX garbage with 40BTC signup fee [06:00]
opc0d3 MPEX going to zero. how do i short MPEX. +1 ICBIT.se [06:00]
opc0d3 that is all. [06:00]
opc0d3 I doubled my BTC buying futures at ICBIT.se, the greatest and largest futures exchange of all time [06:01]
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nubbins` art by consensus [06:01]
benkay opc0d3: what's the options volume on icbit? [06:01]
opc0d3 4:1 leverage. best way to make money with exchange rate going up [06:01]
mike_c went from 1 btc to 2? congrats! [06:01]
benkay nubbins`: art because your lord said so. money by the same. [06:02]
opc0d3 benkay: 170,000 volume on the futures contracts [06:02]
nubbins` benkay: i'm not the one with an aesthetics subcommittee. [06:03]
benkay it's not a subcommittee, it only reports to me. [06:04]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ [06:04]
mircea_popescu start there. [06:04]
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nubbins` consider the statement suitably modified [06:05]
nubbins` art by fiat! [06:06]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the entire "bitcoin is fiat" argument fails to comprehend that the only true scarcity is mathematical in nature. [06:06]
mircea_popescu you can't get another number four. [06:06]
nubbins` art by math: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2013#367467 [06:06]
benkay i would put the a.c. outside for the night if that hit my radar unsolicited. [06:08]
asciilifeform what's next? some joker will say that an AK round is 'fiat' currency? [06:08]
benkay (^^ nubbins`) [06:08]
asciilifeform 'barrel doesn't /have/ to be 7.62mm! fiat!' [06:08]
nubbins` ;) [06:08]
opc0d3 mircea_popescu: so you claim that they sell fake contracts down to force people into margin calls?? doubt it. i've been trading there for 4 months, in the black significantly, (im on this list https://icbit.se/WebTrade/top.aspx ) and have made multiple withdrawls. [06:08]
opc0d3 Tycho is an ADMIN at bitcointalk and very trusted and is one of the owners. [06:08]
benkay admin at bitcointalk [06:08]
benkay well then give him all your isk [06:09]
mike_c no, an ADMIN [06:09]
nubbins` admin AT BITCOINTALK [06:09]
opc0d3 mircea_popescu: sounds like you're just bitter that they had thin volume and someone traded against you [06:09]
benkay amazing options [06:09]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:09]
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opc0d3 point is, he's trusted [06:09]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 don't be an idiot. that article is older than your involvement in "finance". [06:09]
opc0d3 laugh all you want. its like laughing at using John K for escrow.. you sound like idiots [06:09]
pankkake > trusting a website with urls in .aspx [06:09]
nubbins` trust by fiat [06:09]
mircea_popescu sigh. [06:09]
opc0d3 mircea_popescu: they have more volume now. you obviously bought futures in a thin market, and it moved against you. [06:10]
mircea_popescu i love it when 4 month old muppets imagine their short lifespan compensates for 2year+ history. [06:10]
mike_c is he kidding? or did john k show his face again? [06:10]
nubbins` pankkake: there's nothing stopping that from being a renamed .jspx ;) [06:10]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 mpex had months over 1mn btc nominal. [06:10]
opc0d3 they're only getting bigger and bigger... so laugh all you want [06:10]
mircea_popescu the difference is that mpex uses actual figures, rather than running this thinly veiled scam you do. [06:10]
opc0d3 ICBIT.se is the most legitimate futures exchange right now, and the largest.... so laugh at their success [06:11]
mircea_popescu they get bigger and bigger each year. [06:11]
opc0d3 0% fees also [06:11]
mircea_popescu then they magically don't have the dough to pay the winners, and go into a cone of darkness for a half year [06:11]
mircea_popescu then they hire some five cent an hour muppets and are again alll sucess and bigger and bigger. [06:11]
mircea_popescu and again and again. [06:11]
mircea_popescu unregulated markets have various advantages, among which the existence of such idiocy. [06:12]
opc0d3 mircea_popescu: it's in your interest to slander you competitors. so, forgive me if I call you on your FUD and BS [06:12]
mircea_popescu dude. [06:12]
benkay "don't have the dough to pay the winners" [06:12]
benkay sauce? [06:12]
mircea_popescu benkay the article quoted, and there's periodic such reports on bitcointalk [06:12]
mircea_popescu last one was about 3 months or so. magically, his position was executed 10% under market. [06:12]
Apocalyptic opc0d3, ICBIT.se ? never heard of that [06:14]
mircea_popescu and to clarify, opc0d3 , you don't get to come in after a coupla years and call established fact "fud" and "bs". [06:14]
mircea_popescu if nothing else, because there's little doubt and even less uncertainity involved. [06:14]
opc0d3 Apocalyptic: its the largest Futures exchange, and they have 0% trading fees right now... its awesome [06:15]
benkay ;;getrating opc0d3 [06:15]
gribble Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating [06:15]
benkay ;;gettrust opc0d3 [06:15]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user opc0d3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=opc0d3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=opc0d3 | Rated since: never [06:15]
benkay ah well there ya go [06:15]
opc0d3 MPEX is upset that they've stolen market share so they tried to slander them [06:15]
benkay come back with a wot identity opc0d3 [06:16]
opc0d3 too lazy [06:16]
opc0d3 maybe later [06:16]
benkay a telling response. [06:16]
mircea_popescu benkay you're just angry because he's stealing your wot share. [06:17]
Apocalyptic well the fact site is running on ASP makes me chuckle a bit [06:17]
opc0d3 mircea_popescu: even though i think you're full of shit.... your picture on that horse is hilarious. +1 [06:17]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 you don't have what to think i'm full of shit with. [06:17]
nubbins` hey, asp *dot net*! [06:18]
pankkake oh a webchat user, the advance sign of retardation [06:18]
nubbins` there's an "x" in those extensions! [06:18]
opc0d3 Apocalyptic: yeah, funny that most of the worlds corporate software runs on .NET , i wonder why multi-billion dollar companies use .NET... what idiots@!! [06:18]
pankkake lol [06:18]
Apocalyptic do they ? i feel more secure running a linux server honestly [06:18]
Apocalyptic but what do I know... [06:18]
nubbins` they do. [06:18]
opc0d3 only idiots would buy windows. That Mircosoft company must be worthless.... let me check [06:19]
pankkake you know, multi billion dollar companies aren't a very good example of competence or efficiency [06:19]
Apocalyptic ^^ [06:19]
opc0d3 $300B market cap! [06:19]
benkay inertia, mostly. [06:19]
benkay and what's the fb market cap? and their competence/business acumen? [06:19]
opc0d3 pankkake: doesn't mean that running a .NET site is stupid or bad idea. [06:19]
pankkake you'll figure it out when you get out of school [06:19]
opc0d3 i run linux on all my servers. but can tell you from experience that big corps prefer MSFT [06:20]
pankkake so? [06:20]
mircea_popescu this is progressing nicely. [06:20]
Apocalyptic opc0d3, they "prefer" that's it [06:20]
Apocalyptic doesn't mean anything about the value of the product [06:20]
opc0d3 you guys are lemmings to laugh at .NET [06:21]
opc0d3 linux fanboys [06:21]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 where have you learned to win friends and influence people ? [06:21]
mircea_popescu it wasn't steve ballmer was it. [06:21]
nubbins` see, the thing is: coca-cola can afford to pay for gold-tier support contracts, so they can use .NET and if it breaks (which it doesn't), they have a big red telephone they can pick up to get it fixed [06:21]
opc0d3 i personally don't use any MSFT products, but would never be so idiotic to laugh at developers that do [06:21]
nubbins` some random btc-related website likely doesn't have any sort of gold-tier anything [06:22]
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nubbins` and so if something breaks (it will), they're fucked until they figure out how to fix it [06:22]
opc0d3 +1 nubbins [06:22]
nubbins` THAT SAID [06:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` except a fictitious exchange with no volume could be just as well run off dreamweaver. [06:22]
opc0d3 nah. .NET deployments are usually much more stable then linux ones [06:22]
nubbins` the support community around .NET is just as massive as the one around any other web dev technology [06:22]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: notepad, even [06:23]
mircea_popescu was. [06:23]
Apocalyptic opc0d3, out of curiosity when was this trading plateform launched ? [06:23]
mircea_popescu it was, in 2001. maybe 2005. [06:23]
mircea_popescu it's nowhere near today. [06:23]
opc0d3 what a load of BS>... ICBIT is not 'fictitious' nor does it have no volume.... so much misinformation and lies in here [06:23]
opc0d3 you're just pissed you have competition -- successful competition [06:23]
nubbins` ah, i haven't worked with .NET since around 2005-07 [06:23]
dub tycho is that guy that forgot how to run a pool yeah? [06:23]
benkay opc0d3 - it's an echo chamber in here. don't get butthurt. [06:23]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 dude, every mayfly in the book has said the exact same thing about me. [06:23]
mircea_popescu read moar. [06:23]
nubbins` left it behind when WCF started getting pushed [06:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` from what i hear you weren't alone [06:24]
opc0d3 benkay: MP talks, and pankkake echo's , seems like [06:25]
nubbins` the years of sharepoint development sucked my soul out, but being forced to move to WCF was the straw that broke me [06:25]
opc0d3 a cute little parrot on his shoulder [06:25]
pankkake what you don't understand is that there is only one person here [06:25]
nubbins` ^ [06:25]
mircea_popescu opc0d3 you know you could save yourself a lot of embarassment by reviewing the logs for a few days before blindly jumping in. [06:25]
nubbins` everyone else is a robot [06:25]
mircea_popescu an approach which actually would make your life better in every aspect. [06:26]
mike_c then you would know how to identify art. [06:26]
benkay what ams art? [06:26]
benkay r options art? [06:26]
pankkake please not again :( [06:26]
mircea_popescu mike_c by the way, you do have a point. [06:26]
benkay i am making put arts [06:26]
nubbins` it's art if i publish it [06:26]
nubbins` should we get eskimo bob in here? [06:26]
mircea_popescu while the opex system works great in every aspect as it is, the underwriter has no actual way to verify when they were executed in fact. [06:26]
mircea_popescu so for all they know i could be making shit up. [06:27]
asciilifeform opc0d3: there are no people here. just a script, running on a PDP-8 drywalled into a closet, door painted over, at NSA campus. [06:27]
mike_c yes :) [06:27]
mircea_popescu it somehow never occured to me, this. [06:27]
mircea_popescu i'm lucky i'm not the only person reading these logs, it turns out. anyway, we're in the process of arguing about it. [06:27]
mike_c ah, glad to hear. [06:27]
benkay i think i have wondered at this myself [06:27]
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benkay ("me too! me too!") [06:28]
mike_c i will share all the prize money with you benkay [06:29]
benkay mircea_popescu: what do you think about ludwig von mises? [06:30]
mircea_popescu as what, a main course meal ? [06:30]
benkay you eat men [06:31]
benkay dear dog save us all [06:31]
mircea_popescu lmao. [06:31]
nubbins` there is no dog [06:31]
mircea_popescu no but seriously, much more of an economist than a philosopher, for instance. [06:31]
nubbins` there is only natas! [06:31]
benkay nah i have two weeks of reading and boozing and wenching coming up and i want something meaty [06:32]
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benkay something that'll stick to my brainbones [06:32]
benkay i've lined up the modern money theory stuff on the premise that coming through that'll inoculate me against some brands of idiocy [06:32]
mircea_popescu dubious proposition. [06:33]
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nubbins` best stick to fiction [06:33]
mircea_popescu seeing how its entire appeal is constructed by ceaseless repeating [06:33]
benkay okay noted [06:33]
mircea_popescu the sad thing of money is that nobody really wrote of it well. [06:33]
mircea_popescu it's like this supermistress of most accomplished lures which goes wholly forgotten and ignored to the grave, [06:34]
mircea_popescu because the sort of men she loved and loved her back were too busy doing to harp about it. [06:34]
benkay (doing it) [06:34]
mircea_popescu :p [06:35]
benkay i suspect i alreaady understand mises work just from the subtitle of that one book [06:35]
benkay how the middle way leads to socialism, bad policies following bad policies etc [06:36]
mircea_popescu instead phthisic "women" captive in the bodies of little boys like all the various utopian facets of socialism get tons of idyllic literature fashioned [06:36]
mircea_popescu by the sort of idle, pointless virgins that'd be interested in such crap. [06:36]
benkay plato, then? [06:37]
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mircea_popescu btw pankkake you're doing a very small amount of parroting over here! i thought we had a deal! [06:37]
pankkake I need to insult you more [06:37]
pankkake or something [06:37]
mircea_popescu the one problem with these kids is... they have no endurance. [06:38]
pankkake I haven't read your latest blog stuff so I have nothing to disagree with [06:38]
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mircea_popescu ten minutes later they're gone. how's one supposed to have fun ;/ [06:38]
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mircea_popescu hey opc0d3 come back! we weren't done!@ [06:39]
pankkake well he probably came earlier and will come back later. I wonder why he picked me, I wasn't even parroting this time [06:40]
nubbins` once the conversation turned to books, i began silently lamenting my inability to finish reading one hundred years of solitude [06:40]
pankkake though it felt that way other times [06:40]
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pankkake I don't understand futures, options, and have no idea what icbit is :) [06:40]
nubbins` voodoo gibberish, stay away [06:41]
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benkay black finance magic of the destroy economies kind [06:41]
benkay only allowed on buttcoin black markets [06:41]
mircea_popescu it's basically bitcoinica minus the relic hunting. [06:42]
pankkake "savage capitalism" as your socialists say [06:42]
mircea_popescu i don't recall now if it was written as a bitcoinica envy clone or not. [06:42]
benkay hey mircea_popescu what were you implying the other day when you queried for the s.mg price and then made a comment about an in-game thing? [06:42]
pankkake somehow when I see savage I think of a horse running free in the grass [06:42]
pankkake so I'm ok with that [06:43]
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mircea_popescu benkay just idle comment that the volume was apparently up [06:43]
mircea_popescu or down [06:43]
mircea_popescu or i don't recall which [06:43]
benkay i'd started imagining game/stock tie-ins [06:44]
benkay hey mircea_popescu you have some education to perform: https://twitter.com/rabois/status/397075060499812352 [06:48]
mircea_popescu what's the rush. [06:49]
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mike_c joel spolsky [06:49]
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pankkake it's part of his strategy though [06:53]
pankkake not posting stupid shit on twitter [06:53]
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mircea_popescu actually i think there's a rss to twitter feed. [06:53]
dub speaking of education [06:54]
dub http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2013/01/your_chinese_takeout_box_has_b.php [06:54]
dub groundbreaking stuff [06:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c probably not count because engineers aren't "successfull ceos". [06:55]
mircea_popescu or because july isn't current. or w/e. [06:55]
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benkay dub: i wanted it to have a badbios [06:56]
nubbins` your chinese takeout box has had a badbios this whole time [06:59]
dub tl;dr? seen it mentioned a few times today [06:59]
mircea_popescu twist : badbios is written in .net [07:00]
nubbins` that'd be an impressive feat [07:03]
nubbins` you'd get at least a few whitepapers out of it [07:03]
mircea_popescu further twist : http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-claims-china-bugged-tea-kettles-2013-10 [07:04]
mircea_popescu i think my cock might be bugged [07:04]
mircea_popescu it buggers womenz all teh time. [07:04]
mircea_popescu even further twist : "its payment unit PayPal may one day incorporate BitCoin." where are you skinnavaj guy. [07:05]
nubbins` ltc: to the hill! [07:06]
mircea_popescu (sauce : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-03/ebay-expands-accepted-digital-currencies-says-paypal-may-one-day-incorporate-bitcoin ) [07:06]
mircea_popescu ahahaah to the hill [07:07]
KRS1 Its Fontas http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/37873404.jpg [07:07]
mircea_popescu too good. [07:07]
pankkake I have a hard time imagining ebay adopting bitcoin [07:07]
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mircea_popescu i don't have a hard time imagining why they'd want to tho. [07:08]
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nubbins` breaking news: ebay to acquire bitcoin [07:08]
pankkake the make a lot through paypal fees, or sneaky currency conversion fees [07:09]
nubbins` they make a lot through ebay fees [07:09]
nubbins` 10%! [07:09]
pankkake really it's 10% now? [07:09]
nubbins` yes man [07:09]
mircea_popescu they'd make a helluva lot more if they could just take a file out of dpr's book and tell the govt to suck on an onion./ [07:09]
nubbins` ebay+pp = 13% [07:09]
pankkake it's becoming worse and worse [07:09]
pankkake wow [07:09]
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nubbins` that's why everything is so goddamn expensive on ebay [07:09]
mircea_popescu wait, so actually the silkroad charged less than ebay ?! [07:10]
pankkake my last big sales were in the 5% range or less, but that was years ago [07:10]
nubbins` i think SR was a straight-up 10? [07:10]
mircea_popescu maybe i completely misunderstood the business model there. [07:10]
mircea_popescu it wasn't for drugs. [07:10]
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nubbins` although if you wanna be fair you'd have to include exchange fees [07:10]
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benkay huh. so when does the ebay for bitcoin happen, eh mp? [07:25]
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mircea_popescu i dunno. i been crowing about how it'd be a good idea for years. [07:27]
mircea_popescu that bitmit thing isn't going anywhere. [07:27]
mircea_popescu but where to find the people to do it... [07:27]
pankkake I've been meaning to write it but my productivity is close to zero these last few months [07:28]
pankkake mostly due to frustrations with bitmit [07:28]
pankkake well, if I do something, that will be it [07:28]
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pankkake their thread is full of disgruntled sellers, certainly not what you'd want [07:31]
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benkay pankkake u ams dev, unless I misremember [07:36]
benkay (plz for to correct) [07:36]
pankkake ams? [07:36]
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pankkake I'm a developer, mostly worked for web startups [07:37]
benkay preferred stack? [07:39]
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pankkake Python, where I use many libs rather than a framework [07:39]
pankkake though I previously used Django [07:40]
benkay ugh [07:40]
benkay django is like a ufo [07:40]
benkay "incant this triangular shaped widget into this triangular shaped hole and photos will appear over there" [07:40]
pankkake it's easy to do simple stuff but hard to do complex stuff [07:40]
pankkake haha [07:40]
benkay fn tell me about it [07:40]
benkay when i get back from le argent i gotta defuck this django stack [07:41]
benkay and then make it profitable [07:41]
pankkake I haven't kept up with the latest frameworks [07:42]
benkay allow me to express my disgust with python [07:42]
pankkake though I use most libs of the Pyramids stack [07:42]
benkay DISGUST [07:42]
pankkake what do you use? [07:42]
benkay clojure [07:42]
pankkake :D [07:42]
benkay although python because clients [07:42]
benkay hm. [07:43]
benkay bitcoin ebay? [07:43]
benkay in lisp? [07:43]
benkay come on pankkake [07:45]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of platform or coding even. [07:46]
mircea_popescu when i say someone to do it i mean someone with a decade's worth of experience in a relevant position. [07:46]
mircea_popescu area manager for a major fcmg retailer, for instance. [07:46]
pankkake there's more than doing an ebay though. there is a need for easy small shops (like bigcartel.com) [07:46]
pankkake fcmg? [07:47]
benkay i would love to build a thing under someone with a decade's domain experience [07:47]
benkay i also want to work with tools that i enjoy [07:47]
benkay (as an aside: do you know how hard it is to find business-oriented mentors in america?) [07:48]
nubbins` bigcartel is beta-ing direct credit card payments right now [07:48]
nubbins` i got an email about it the other day [07:48]
nubbins` cutting paypal outta the loop! [07:48]
pankkake about time [07:48]
nubbins` nod [07:48]
benkay (the best we get are advertising/strategy bros who have accidentally fallen into tech) [07:48]
pankkake hm bandcamp still uses paypal? [07:49]
nubbins` afaik [07:49]
nubbins` now, both allowed you to pay with a cc without having a paypal account [07:50]
nubbins` but still. [07:50]
mircea_popescu benkay myeah. [07:51]
mircea_popescu pankkake fast moving consumer goods. like sodas, tampons, whatever. [07:51]
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nubbins` speedboats [08:01]
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benkay ohai luke [08:33]
benkay how are those quantum bitcoins coming, eh? [08:33]
benkay Luke-Jr: ping [08:34]
Luke-Jr [08:34]
benkay noosphere? [08:36]
benkay oh scuse me noospheer [08:37]
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benkay Luke-Jr: weren't you involved with that operation? [08:39]
Luke-Jr only if they get something working [08:40]
Luke-Jr then I'll add support to BFGMiner [08:40]
Luke-Jr I'm skeptical it'll get that far. [08:41]
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Luke-Jr especially when the main guy behind it is going around demanding proof GPUs can't simulate ASICs.. [08:44]
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mircea_popescu lol such a failpile. [09:19]
mircea_popescu simulate asics in gpus simulated in pressure cookers simulated in one guy's mind. [09:19]
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jurov pankkake: my impression is as soon as one wants javascript interactive bling, is in for serious butthurt [10:14]
jurov regardless of framework [10:14]
jurov it's like windows api, but developed by multiple competing entities [10:16]
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mircea_popescu so mike_c, it may please you to find that not only are you in the mpex faq now, but process of arguing about it ended a coupla hours ago with my complete capitulation [10:55]
mircea_popescu as a result mpex now returns executed collateral immediately upon execution. [10:55]
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jurov as a result mpex now returns executed collateral immediately upon execution.<<< immediately on opex you mean? or it's about futures? [14:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share [15:00]
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kleeck Heh. Just got a notification email from the my State's Healthcare Association regarind CryptoLocker. [16:21]
kleeck My IronPort has been stripping zipped .exe files for a month now., all from DHL, UPS, and FedEx. Thanks for the headsup... [16:22]
topace haha [16:22]
topace thats a pretty shitty virus [16:22]
topace bringing a lot of new people to bitcoin [16:23]
topace in a bad way [16:23]
topace i had one guy ask me how i hadnt been arrested yet becuase he knew my address and phone number he was going to report me to the police [16:23]
topace it took me half an hour to explain to him, i only buy and sell bitcoins,. i have nothing to do with cryptolocker [16:23]
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kleeck lol [16:25]
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kleeck Drugs and Viruses, the backbone of BTC> [16:25]
kleeck :P [16:26]
kleeck It makes me sad that this virus is actually doing damage to any medium sized businesses. [16:26]
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kleeck First off, your users shouldn't be able to get a zipped exe, or an exe, at all. [16:26]
kleeck At least via e-mail. [16:27]
kleeck Second, why don't you have backups?! [16:27]
topace one guy i talked to said it infected their backup system from the desktop it was clicked on [16:28]
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topace i tried to explain to him how a moutned network drive != backup [16:28]
kleeck What? [16:28]
topace useless [16:28]
kleeck His backup was a network share? [16:28]
topace yea [16:28]
kleeck wtf [16:28]
topace which, kinda makes sense [16:28]
kleeck who are these clowns? [16:28]
topace it was a NAS [16:28]
topace and as a clueless IT person, thats probabyl what i would do too [16:28]
kleeck So, this wasn't a system admin, then? [16:29]
topace most of these companies dont have sysadmins [16:29]
topace they have "a guy that knows a littlbe bit about computers" [16:29]
topace or [16:29]
kleeck And uses network shares as a backup solution.. [16:29]
topace "a guy that knows a guy that knows how to use computers" [16:29]
kleeck You can use a NAS, but you don't SHARE the backup partition. [16:30]
topace mostly ive been contacted by small businesses.. 3-10 employees [16:30]
kleeck I see. [16:30]
topace 3-5 per week the past few weeks [16:30]
kleeck Do you do support, then? [16:30]
topace "hi, i'd like to buy exactly 2.00000000 bitcoins, how do i do it? can i give you my creditcard number?" [16:30]
kleeck Oh no... [16:30]
topace == surefire cryptolocker victim [16:30]
kleeck That sucks, man. [16:31]
kleeck Makes me sad. [16:31]
topace i run www.canadianbitcoins.com [16:31]
kleeck I see. [16:31]
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jcpham http://pandodaily.com/2013/11/04/startup-snake-oil-scamming-early-stage-entrepreneurs/ [16:46]
ozbot Startup snake oil: scamming early stage entrepreneurs | PandoDaily [16:46]
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nubbins` ;;ticker --market all [16:54]
kleeck .d [16:54]
ozbot 390928787.63809 | Next Diff in 209 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.8184% in 0d 23h 40m 50s [16:54]
nubbins` gribs is slow [16:54]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.63654, vol: 18870.86799441 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 218.97, vol: 19816.55391138 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 215.996, vol: 12618.76417 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 213.98, vol: 386.26816174 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 228.25050156, vol: 33815.64000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 225.636171552 [16:54]
nubbins` (!!) [16:54]
ThickAsThieves well shit [16:54]
nubbins` i know right? [16:55]
ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [16:55]
gribble 4033928.60985 [16:55]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [16:55]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 515523510.95 based on data since last change | 563524717.975 based on data for last three days [16:55]
nubbins` any guesses as to when we'll see a BTC-USD all-time high? [16:56]
ThickAsThieves this week [16:56]
nubbins` wouldn't surprise me [16:57]
ThickAsThieves i thought we'd be pulling back already [16:57]
nubbins` nod [16:58]
ThickAsThieves i think this ebay news is floating it [16:58]
nubbins` i was surprised at the amount of support ~200 [16:58]
JoeyMe it cant go down can it? [16:58]
nubbins` JoeyMe: impossible, re-mortgage your house and put it all in btc [16:58]
ThickAsThieves nubbins' is a financial advisor [16:58]
JoeyMe no, I meant difficulty [16:58]
ThickAsThieves diff can go down [16:58]
ThickAsThieves it wont any time soon [16:58]
ThickAsThieves but it can [16:59]
JoeyMe ok [16:59]
nubbins` hm, i wonder [17:01]
nubbins` i'd normally be really stressed out about buying btc at 225 [17:02]
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nubbins` but i don't think it would be a bad idea, short-term [17:03]
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ThickAsThieves it's all a guess at this point [17:04]
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ThickAsThieves looking at the situation I think many would say it's overpriced [17:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.007695 = 0.9234 BTC [-] {2} [17:04]
ThickAsThieves but there's no stopping it from going up more [17:04]
ThickAsThieves it will relieve itself eventually [17:04]
nubbins` agreed [17:05]
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nubbins` just a matter of how close you can get your horseshoe to the stake [17:06]
bitesak ;;ticker [17:06]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 232.90000, Best ask: 234.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 232.00001, 24 hour volume: 19281.05367985, 24 hour low: 214.89993, 24 hour high: 234.95000, 24 hour vwap: 223.42446 [17:06]
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bitesak thats quite a price for 1 bitcoin [17:06]
nubbins` it's quite a price for two, really [17:07]
kleeck Yes. I dare say I'm gonig to take some profits now. [17:07]
ThickAsThieves $2329000 for a pizza [17:07]
nubbins` heh [17:07]
kleeck :) [17:07]
ThickAsThieves fukn inflation [17:07]
bitesak now? it's not even an all time high [17:07]
nubbins` can't even imagine what a box of kraft dinner costs ;) [17:08]
nubbins` bitesak: greedy! [17:08]
kleeck Of course now. Average bought is 60$. It is time. [17:08]
nubbins` <-avg $22 [17:08]
kleeck Well done! [17:08]
kleeck I bought my first @ 9$. [17:08]
nubbins` better done if i hadn't won and lost several fortunes in that period of time [17:08]
kleeck I won't say what I did with those... [17:08]
nubbins` my first btc cost $16, and i smoked it [17:09]
ThickAsThieves $230 joints [17:09]
kleeck I too looked into the eyes of insane profit % and said, "Nay! I will not take you!" [17:09]
bitesak I bought me first at39cents and have made many 'wrong' decisions along the way on selling them :) [17:09]
ThickAsThieves good stuff i hope [17:09]
nubbins` *cough* good enough [17:09]
nubbins` anyway, i did some math the other day [17:10]
kleeck And now we get to tell our friends all about the premium drugs we've abused. [17:10]
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nubbins` it turns out that if i had just done nothing with my btc, i'd be in exactly the same financial situation as i am today [17:10]
nubbins` which is really the best i could ask for, given how many times i've lost my shirt on poor investments [17:11]
kleeck haha [17:11]
kleeck I hear you. [17:11]
nubbins` losing money makes you learn quickly. [17:11]
kleeck Indeed. [17:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.75600008 = 9.072 BTC [-] {4} [17:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.75300001 BTC [-] [17:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00762295 = 11.4344 BTC [-] {10} [17:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 519 @ 0.0075985 = 3.9436 BTC [-] [17:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.72227777 = 6.5005 BTC [-] {4} [17:17]
mircea_popescu jurov no, options. [17:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so then no, you wou;dn't be in the same position. knowledge is money. [17:20]
ThickAsThieves brain equity [17:20]
mircea_popescu fritz machlup ftw [17:20]
nubbins` hmm, you've got a point [17:20]
nubbins` i'd likely have lost my shirt in some other manner [17:21]
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nubbins` and i mean, i get shirts wholesale, but they're still not free, ya know! [17:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00081905 = 28.0115 BTC [-] [17:21]
mircea_popescu i guess nobody today remembers machlup as the initiator of the "information economy" concept [17:22]
ThickAsThieves i read the wiki, i know plenty! [17:22]
mircea_popescu aok [17:22]
ThickAsThieves hehe, not really [17:22]
ThickAsThieves sad he dies 3/10ths into his plan [17:22]
nubbins` http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=cotton&months=60 [17:24]
ozbot Cotton - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi [17:24]
nubbins` ^ for a while there, t-shirts REALLY weren't free [17:24]
mircea_popescu the price of cotton figures what, 18 cents in the cost fo a tshirt ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-enjoys-thing-informed-he-is-wrong,7057/ [17:26]
ozbot Man Who Enjoys Thing Informed He Is Wrong | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [17:26]
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JoeyMe c [17:28]
nubbins` not sure of the exact numbers, but the price of a shirt was roughly 2x today's price when that was happening [17:28]
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nubbins` hahahahahahahaha @ article [17:30]
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nubbins` why didn't himmelsbaugh consult an appropriate authority before assuming that he enjoyed the thing? [17:35]
nubbins` what an idiot [17:35]
mircea_popescu totally. [17:40]
mircea_popescu so i'm reading old logs : Jun 21 14:49:17 well it was 1/4 bn earlier thisd year [17:43]
mircea_popescu apparently what goes around comes around. [17:43]
mircea_popescu http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/irs-to-jail-woman-who-owes-0-in-taxes.html [17:46]
ozbot Activist Post: IRS to Jail Woman Who Owes $0 in Taxes, Seeks Jury Nullification [17:46]
kleeck How dare she?! [17:46]
kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/508/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-500mn-before-xmas/ [17:50]
kakobrekla hits 200btc [17:50]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 500MN before Xmas 2013 [17:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.819 = 1.638 BTC [+] [17:51]
kakobrekla ;;bc,stats [17:51]
gribble Current Blocks: 267926 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 201 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 14 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 515663290.372 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.90722 [17:51]
kakobrekla aha. [17:51]
mircea_popescu crazy shot [17:52]
kakobrekla feels like 2011 [17:52]
mircea_popescu tghen people want btc to go down. well how the fuck. [17:53]
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ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/ [17:57]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014 [17:58]
ThickAsThieves where's the 200btc on that one? [17:58]
mircea_popescu 1bn doesn't seem so unlikely nao. [17:58]
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asciilifeform now would be the perfect time for an 'asteroid' event (e.g. somebody gets SATCOIN hasher working.) [17:58]
ThickAsThieves very likely [17:59]
mircea_popescu what's satcoin ? [17:59]
asciilifeform or, anybody still alive knows how to wrangle gallium arsenide logic? [17:59]
asciilifeform satcoin: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html [18:00]
dexX7 people say a sat-solver is useless, because it would only provide an advantage, if sha is broken [18:00]
mircea_popescu sat solving my foot. [18:00]
asciilifeform dexX7: not necessarily. more efficient mining doesn't need a SAT solution in the general case. [18:00]
asciilifeform just as RSA-breaking has not been proven to require fast factoring. [18:01]
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mircea_popescu maybe i'm rusty, but afaik mining != sha(sha(block+nonce)) [18:01]
asciilifeform the cookie jar is far too full for somebody not to try an interesting an unorthodox approach to empty it. [18:02]
dexX7 i like the idea [18:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00081903 = 2.1704 BTC [-] [18:02]
asciilifeform but maybe that's like thinking that a sufficiently juicy chunk of rotten meat, placed on the moon, will somehow attract flies. [18:02]
dexX7 or let's say the idea of trying something unconventional :) [18:02]
mircea_popescu i think the moon simile carries. [18:03]
asciilifeform maybe some wealthy joker ought to fund a 'Perimeter Institute' for btc. [18:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 19 @ 0.0552 = 1.0488 BTC [-] [18:07]
asciilifeform here's a lead for anybody who wants to play: http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ascot/paper/paper.html [18:07]
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asciilifeform dollars to doughnuts, hypothetical 'superminer' would be an ultimately analog system. with no well-understood explanation for why it works. [18:09]
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asciilifeform bz-bzzz. where are the other flies on this dusty space rock... [18:11]
jurov mh, human brain falls into that definition, too :) [18:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know flies require an atmosphere [18:12]
asciilifeform right. [18:12]
jurov pity it can do n-th sqare roots better than modulo 32 arithmetic [18:12]
asciilifeform hence the pristine meat. [18:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 253 @ 0.001092 = 0.2763 BTC [+] [18:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00081905 = 5.9791 BTC [+] [18:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, if I get a parrot that extracts correct nonces out of a bag, i don't have a miner. [18:15]
mircea_popescu i have a coincidental parrot. [18:15]
mircea_popescu even if i crack 1000 consecutive blocks in half an hour. [18:16]
kakobrekla how much for the parrot [18:16]
asciilifeform any reason such a beast wouldn't function as a miner? [18:16]
mircea_popescu anamazing parrot! [18:16]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [18:16]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform same reason a girl wearing a funny hat doesn't function as the emperess of china. [18:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think it would wake people up into the dynamic-workfunction heresy? [18:17]
mircea_popescu if the shaman heals you he's still no doctor, even should the mage light up a fire he's still no matchstick [18:18]
asciilifeform the mage can still burn the village to the ground [18:18]
asciilifeform even if he has no idea why his stick-rubbing touched off the flame. [18:18]
mircea_popescu but it wouldn't be a flamethrower, it'd just be a lucky freak. [18:18]
asciilifeform right [18:18]
mircea_popescu so in this sense this isn't a discussion about mining, [18:19]
mircea_popescu this is a discussion about what if god gets your wife pregnant. [18:19]
asciilifeform it's more a discussion of 'asteroid event.' [18:19]
mircea_popescu right. [18:19]
mircea_popescu if messiah comes tomorrow riding a box of flaming fans [18:20]
mircea_popescu this perhaps will have an impact, let's discuss it :D [18:20]
asciilifeform one would have to smoke some serious strange to believe that the concept of workfunction is vulnerable in the general case. [18:20]
asciilifeform but it is quite certainly so in the specific instance currently in use. [18:20]
asciilifeform all of this reminds me of a story told about General Curtis LeMay [18:21]
asciilifeform it is said that he never spat out his enormous cigar, and once appeared with such near a bomber at a fueling pump [18:22]
asciilifeform a grunt, risking court martial, asked the general to put out his smoke [18:22]
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asciilifeform given that the whole shebang 'might explode' [18:22]
asciilifeform to which the general replied - 'it wouldn't dare.' [18:22]
asciilifeform the static workfunction is not entirely unlike this cigar. [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.815 BTC [-] [18:25]
mircea_popescu lol [18:28]
mircea_popescu good story. [18:29]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Curtis_LeMay_(USAF).jpg [18:29]
mircea_popescu no cigar. [18:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00269 = 0.269 BTC [-] [18:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.0552 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [18:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 38 @ 0.0552 = 2.0976 BTC [-] [18:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 240 @ 0.00109498 = 0.2628 BTC [+] [18:58]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-october-2013-statement/ [19:01]
ozbot BitBet, October 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:01]
mircea_popescu bitbet in the red! [19:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1350 @ 0.00022 = 0.297 BTC [-] [19:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00081903 = 3.5628 BTC [-] [19:18]
nubbins` i'm so fucking addled [19:21]
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nubbins` sick of dealing with subhumans [19:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.375 = 1.5 BTC [-] [19:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1493 = 0.2986 BTC [-] [19:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00260848 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {5} [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4959 @ 0.0025356 = 12.574 BTC [-] {7} [19:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0077899 = 0.3116 BTC [+] {2} [19:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5076 @ 0.00081758 = 4.15 BTC [-] [19:46]
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