Forum logs for 03 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform> why - i do not know. < [00:04]
mircea_popescu every farm hottie in the mud envies the old lady her complex undergarments. blessfully unaware that the old lady needs the complex undergarments to mask the fact that there's no activity they'd get in the way of. [00:04]
phf mircea_popescu: but it's not written in javascript [00:05]
mircea_popescu damn close. c++ [00:05]
mircea_popescu VERY BAD c++, also. [00:05]
phf pretty sure it's not these womens fault, eulora's upstream was "derps in gaming" [00:06]
mircea_popescu yup. slowly fixing it. but still. [00:06]
* jurov has after maybe a week of full lisp immersion managed to write a function that crashes eclisp cold. details withheld till i reproduce on another machine [00:07]
mircea_popescu this is your main talent, isn't it ? [00:07]
jurov and only 8 lines fitting in terminal! [00:07]
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jurov yes, looks like that [00:08]
phf ftr i've worked with female programmers, on average not better or worse then males, who would've thought. i've also briefly worked with "women in javascript" and they are predominantly wreckers [00:08]
mircea_popescu phf usually "women in gaming" is a supercharged "women in javascript" thing. very politically driven drivel. [00:10]
mircea_popescu afaik eulora is strictly the only exception. [00:10]
mircea_popescu then again, gaming world is kinda opaque, who knows. [00:10]
phf friend of mine coined a term "tech dykes" years before it became a thing. bossy mostly lesbian girls who are good at pushing nerdy boys around, so work as program leads and agile consultants. but that was before there was a strong political component [00:15]
mircea_popescu this is a very good arrangement tho. [00:16]
mircea_popescu most gaming programmers are nerdy kids, hard to be motivated by males. [00:17]
mircea_popescu well, except if it's ben_vulpes [00:17]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420772 << iirc he employs gurlz [00:20]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 03:16:10; mircea_popescu: well, except if it's ben_vulpes [00:20]
mircea_popescu ah that works even better then [00:22]
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mircea_popescu soo s.mg report edited to include deedbot link. [12:00]
mircea_popescu i think that's how warrants etc are going to go from now on. deedbot ftw. [12:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420789 << it is pretty lulzy, in a meta sort of way. [12:02]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 05:50:02; *: BingoBoingo not sure if Qntra worthy, anyone got an angle? http://news.softpedia.com/news/sea-pirates-hacked-shipping-company-to-find-valuable-cargo-501268.shtml [12:02]
B0g4r7__ bad_duck ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo Blazed bounce [12:04]
mircea_popescu holy shit sherlock, hey BingoBoingo check out slashdot comprehending things! [12:04]
mircea_popescu http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8825949&cid=51627819 [12:04]
assbot Incident Raises Concerns About a More Formal Spec For Bitcoin - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1p1yHqf ) [12:04]
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kakobrekla meanwhile http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/sturles/ confirms he is the author of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420854 [12:07]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 14:55:04; kakobrekla: http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47702 < aha [12:07]
mircea_popescu they got one for asciilifeform too : http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8825949&cid=51627895 [12:07]
assbot Incident Raises Concerns About a More Formal Spec For Bitcoin - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1p1zhUQ ) [12:07]
jurov asciilifeform: wake me up if you manage to compile chromium in 3G ram. the linker eats 10G. i have 12G here and must log out and terminate most processes and then emerge it. [12:08]
* mircea_popescu fights the urge to skip ahead in teh log. [12:08]
jurov or do you have some $secretsuperfast swap device? [12:09]
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jurov even then, the trashing would make the machine unusable for a ~hour [12:09]
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jurov so, it's there for a reason. [12:10]
mircea_popescu "It drives dropout rates and is mostly useless in real life. Andrew Hacker has a plan for getting rid of it." dude, seriously ?! "stem myth" ? that place is so set for greatness. and i mean greatness literally. [12:10]
mircea_popescu jurov wow, what the hell is in those 10gb ?! [12:10]
mircea_popescu since you have the profiler right there (do you ?) mind sharing like, the top three things on the stack ? [12:11]
mircea_popescu "Only mathematicians and some engineers actually use advanced math in their day-to-day work, Hacker argues—even the doctors, accountants, and coders of the future shouldn’t have to master abstract math that they’ll never need." [and could one day use to find out some unsavory facts about the best possible castle in the world!" [12:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420794 << certainly makes a very strong argument for beating into a pulp any children found crying in their math books. [12:13]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 06:50:55; phf: well, that was a rabbit hole of progressive insanity [12:13]
jurov mircea_popescu: ask google [12:13]
mircea_popescu like in that joke with the drunk and the samovar. you know it ? [12:13]
mircea_popescu ;;google largest three items on chromium profile by ram [12:14]
gribble Chromium (web browser) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Out of memory handling - The Chromium Projects: ; Hard Drive filling up? Check Chrome's File System folder - gHacks ...: [12:14]
mircea_popescu you see jurov, google is next to useless for any purpose that involves having taken algebra II. all it can do is help you build empathy. [12:14]
jurov and i did not profile it, just looked on top output [12:15]
mircea_popescu a ok. [12:15]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420800 << it's not "statistics and citizenship" as anything but "this is what you must believe about statistics to be a citizen". [12:17]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 06:56:42; BingoBoingo: How do you get statistics without Algebra? [12:17]
BingoBoingo ok [12:17]
mircea_popescu sort-of trying to chinese cartel the electoral process, pretty much. [12:18]
jurov just for the record, there are several projects built on top of llvm (cling,clang,clasp) promising C++ interpretation and easy interop with lisp. i tried to build and use these, not one succeeded and they are so behemoth so any analysis of the problem was out of the question [12:18]
mircea_popescu "you can have your own opinions, but we want to move from this situation where harvard & mit lied to you about you being smart enough to resolve any real word conondrum 'if you just got the facts [as officially branded facts by harvard and mit]'" to a much more economical "you can have your own opinions just as long as they're what we say they should be". [12:18]
jurov so it's prolly the same with chromium's javascript engine [12:19]
mircea_popescu centralization of opinion mining being inevitable, given that the problem of university financing is irresolvable. (see for instance http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2016#1413495 thread) [12:19]
assbot Logged on 23-02-2016 08:51:15; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413406 << basically us "college" chumpatron still experimenting with "what's the lowest qty of candy bar we give the cattle to keep getting the sweet sweet usg funds for them. like, out of the 100k per capita we get in fed funny money, what's the least we could dole out to the maggots in whose name the whole scheme is run ? maybe -100`00 [12:19]
mircea_popescu jurov is it actually the js interpreter that takes up the bulk of that ? [12:20]
mircea_popescu i'm just curious for my own culture here. [12:20]
jurov yes, surely all the HTML5 and older(like DOM) functionality [12:20]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420806 << ironically, the shit they're talking about is some of the harshest, least touchty feely shit out there. ballet, seriously ? have these people EVEN SEEN a ballerina in their life ? [12:35]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 07:07:25; BingoBoingo: It also spots a lot of failures enrolled in class [12:35]
mircea_popescu chick's tougher than coffin nails, right in there with the she-marine. heck, they still use beatings to this day to loosen the girlies up. [12:36]
mircea_popescu like it or not, the tendons won't give unless you get physical. you can talk yourself hoarse, it dun do anything. [12:36]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420812 << cascadia coming to the mp notions of "What is art" i take it ? [12:38]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 08:53:24; ben_vulpes: and i don't want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel" [12:38]
jurov now something for lisp afficionados: https://gitlab.com/embeddable-common-lisp/ecl/issues/225 #TheShitJurovDoes #BackdooringEulora [12:39]
assbot this simple function always segfaults - at least on linux amd64 (#225) · Issues · Embeddable Common-Lisp / ECL · GitLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1p1F3WH ) [12:39]
mircea_popescu waitwut [12:40]
jurov i came around this in course of embedding lisp in eulora client [12:41]
jurov such backdoor would be very convenied, dontcha think [12:41]
mircea_popescu jurov dude you trolled me ? i mistook eul- to be a function defined in eulora space pinged DianaComan about it lmao [12:41]
jurov *convenient [12:42]
jurov hahaha [12:42]
mircea_popescu god damn... [12:42]
mircea_popescu jurov apparently it was already reported. kochmanski says 159 (fixed 16.1.2) [12:43]
mircea_popescu LAME SHIT [12:43]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420851 << BingoBoingo if that was you, and it was, you linked to an article of mine that said nothing re: miners... [12:45]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 14:41:49; BingoBoingo: Win http://news.slashdot.org/story/16/03/03/0350241/incident-raises-concerns-about-a-more-formal-spec-for-bitcoin [12:45]
mircea_popescu ftr anacam was as close to driving culture as the times and potus aspire to be and occasionally manage. [12:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420865 << lolwut [12:45]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:06:36; mircea_popescu: they got one for asciilifeform too : http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8825949&cid=51627895 [12:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420867 << it's a laptop, i don't care if it takes a week [12:46]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:07:13; jurov: asciilifeform: wake me up if you manage to compile chromium in 3G ram. the linker eats 10G. i have 12G here and must log out and terminate most processes and then emerge it. [12:46]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420869 << 1/2 tb of ssd [12:46]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:07:49; jurov: or do you have some $secretsuperfast swap device? [12:46]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420874 << does mircea_popescu remember what happens when you use a profiler ? [12:46]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:09:58; mircea_popescu: since you have the profiler right there (do you ?) mind sharing like, the top three things on the stack ? [12:46]
mircea_popescu shush, you. [12:46]
asciilifeform (10-50x runtime & space) [12:46]
asciilifeform l0l [12:46]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420876 << many children cry into books, this is normal. but now there is 'advocacy!11111' [12:47]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:12:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420794 << certainly makes a very strong argument for beating into a pulp any children found crying in their math books. [12:47]
mircea_popescu let them cry into their fiction books like normal people. [12:48]
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mircea_popescu romanian school has a whole curricula in literature dedicated to making the kiddies cry. this is well and good and the ~only way. [12:49]
asciilifeform i recall, [12:49]
asciilifeform !s fefeleaga [12:49]
assbot 17 results for 'fefeleaga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fefeleaga [12:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420831 << holy shit. [12:50]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 13:12:11; asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47661 << interesting [12:50]
jurov re: duplicate bugreport.. perhaps i envied you being target of lizard hitler pranks, and imagined myself finally being targeted [12:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420889 << mega-unsurprise. [12:50]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:17:37; jurov: just for the record, there are several projects built on top of llvm (cling,clang,clasp) promising C++ interpretation and easy interop with lisp. i tried to build and use these, not one succeeded and they are so behemoth so any analysis of the problem was out of the question [12:50]
mircea_popescu which one of you has the miserably poor taste of impersonating the dead woman ? [12:50]
asciilifeform i was wondering about that ^ [12:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420894 << the thing is larger than just about any os, possibly even microshit's, and who the fuck knows or whether it is even knowable. [12:51]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:19:06; mircea_popescu: jurov is it actually the js interpreter that takes up the bulk of that ? [12:51]
mircea_popescu no but on second pass this is actually correct, isn't it. ~I~ have been breaking the protocol with that design, indiscutably. [12:52]
asciilifeform quite possibly most of it is not even identifiable mass. [12:52]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you seen this ? [12:52]
kakobrekla seen what ? [12:53]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47661 [12:53]
assbot A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TULYvP ) [12:53]
kakobrekla yes i have seen it, nothing i can do about it. [12:54]
mircea_popescu so basically, yeah bla bla, miners can force "either doublepay or never pay" dilemma, but ~not on everyone~. only on derps who, like mp, actually publish the whole story. [12:54]
mircea_popescu listen kakobrekla can we modify the way bitbet works to actually satisfy this ? something like [12:54]
mircea_popescu hm. [12:55]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they can still blacklist addrs [12:55]
mircea_popescu say paid out bets are published as now, but proposed bets only show first 4 chars of the address, and only first two digits of the payment. except if under 0.01 it's just replaced with D [12:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which ? [12:55]
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mircea_popescu and yes, publish a sha of the whole list as-is somewhere on page also. so people can then verify at tyhe end. [12:56]
mircea_popescu tho prolly this should have a secret salt also. [12:56]
mircea_popescu jesus cryptomoney is tough. [12:56]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whichever they happen to dislike. [12:57]
asciilifeform problem remains unsolved [12:57]
mircea_popescu as the commenter says, this does nothing for bitcoin, merely for bitbet. [12:57]
mircea_popescu of course large payments remain a problem - not so many double digit btc moving around to an address with the following 4 chars. [12:59]
asciilifeform aha. [12:59]
asciilifeform and say they blacklist anything previously appearing as payout on bb. [12:59]
asciilifeform i can think of 1,001 variations on this theme. [12:59]
mircea_popescu gah. [13:00]
mircea_popescu as usual - centralist power is the enemy of free commerce. [13:00]
asciilifeform the solution to toddler-with-machinegun is not moar armour. [13:00]
mircea_popescu who knew how fucking deep in the rules of the world this principle is baked [13:00]
kakobrekla i find the comment from 'sturle' much more interesting. [13:01]
mircea_popescu reading [13:01]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47712 [13:03]
assbot A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1p1K9lD ) [13:03]
mircea_popescu no argument that it ~could~ be a so and so node. all sorts of things could be all sorts of other things. like the moon landing photos could be fake, and so on. [13:04]
mircea_popescu there's no argument to be had with a could. [13:04]
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mircea_popescu !up sturles [13:07]
-assbot- You voiced sturles for 30 minutes. [13:07]
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mircea_popescu hola. [13:07]
sturles HepP! [13:07]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot sturles [13:08]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user sturles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=sturles | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/sturles/ [13:08]
mircea_popescu you have enough trust, whenever you want to speak here you should pm assbot "!up" and decrypt the dpaste. [13:08]
mircea_popescu give it back to him with !v [13:08]
sturles OK! [13:08]
kakobrekla i asked him to join to answer the questions from qntra [13:08]
kakobrekla >If you are proposing that you are actually running a node which keeps all 0-fee txn for a week plus, I very much would like to know what machine are you running, and when's the last time you realised what an incredible DoS mechanism this is. [13:08]
mircea_popescu aha! [13:09]
sturles I don't keep them all. Only the ones with the highest priority.- [13:09]
mircea_popescu so how long is the longest you keep a txn ? [13:09]
sturles I don't have a time limit. [13:09]
mircea_popescu so then how does A2 have a lower priority than A1 ? [13:10]
sturles Transactions are evicted by fee or priority alone. [13:10]
mircea_popescu right ? [13:10]
sturles It doesn't matter if A2 has higher or lower priority than A1. As long as A1 is in my mempool, a tx spending any of A1's inputs will be rejected. [13:11]
fluffypony it's a davout: https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/705415833833619456 [13:11]
fluffypony and "Galvin" Andresen [13:11]
mircea_popescu sturles if you keep 0fee txn without time limit, you are necessarily running on a machine with infinite ram. [13:11]
mircea_popescu if there IS a time limit, what is it. [13:11]
sturles Right now my mempool has: "mempoolminpriority": 142186611.6926576, [13:12]
mircea_popescu and how do you calculate the priority ? [13:12]
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sturles Which means that every tx with priority below 142186611.6926576 will be thrown out of the priority pool, and into the fee based pool. [13:12]
mircea_popescu and if it's a 0fee tx, thrown out altogether ? [13:12]
sturles Standard priority calculations. size of input * age of input for all inputs, then divided by the size of the transaction. [13:13]
sturles Size in bytes. [13:13]
sturles Size of inputs in BTC. [13:13]
mircea_popescu right. by this calculation, the tx in question would not have remained in your pool. [13:13]
mircea_popescu if you recall kakobrekla at the time it was merely broadcast and "not yet included" (in the public version of the blockchain), it had a very low priority. [13:14]
sturles 0 fee tx are thrown out if the priority is lower than what is required. Currently 142186611.6926576. [13:14]
kakobrekla why would it have low priority? [13:14]
mircea_popescu sturles this one was never 100mn. [13:14]
sturles OK. I don't know anything about the tx in question. How old were the inputs? [13:15]
sturles Size in BTC is in satishi. Age in number of confirmations. [13:15]
sturles *satoshi [13:15]
kakobrekla txid de9bc173174f5ae97e7fe0d2e171647cade189c76f9cbe48f37494c973aca2e4 [13:16]
mircea_popescu ^ [13:16]
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sturles priority = sum(input_value_in_base_units * input_age)/size_in_bytes [13:17]
kakobrekla and just sum the discrete inputs ages ? [13:18]
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mircea_popescu no, sum the product [13:18]
sturles The transaction has one 3 month old input of 15.898 BTC. This alone may be enough to push the priority high enough. [13:19]
kakobrekla anyway, sturles is giving us his current mempoolminpriority, which doesnt mean it was the same a week ago. [13:19]
mircea_popescu yeah but for practical reasons doesn't also vary too much, or you get drowned. [13:19]
mircea_popescu in any case, at the time this was discussed in the logs, the miner priority was in the 9th decile, about 16% of the global mempool. [13:20]
mircea_popescu ie, 84% of txn in the mempool had a higher priority. [13:20]
mircea_popescu of the ~50mb mempool, that is. [13:20]
sturles Mu mempool is 1 GB with 300MB reserved for high priority.. [13:21]
mircea_popescu (obviously because no protocol there is no actual definition of "mempool size" other than rough consensus, but wehartevers) [13:21]
sturles It isn't full now, btw. [13:21]
mircea_popescu yeah, mempool is low now for some reason, across the board. [13:21]
mircea_popescu since ~yesterday, fell of a cliff. who knows. [13:22]
sturles There was a spam attack, which stopped. [13:22]
mircea_popescu that ~could~ be the explanation, sure. [13:22]
mircea_popescu for the curious, mempool was as high as 80mb during february, but recently it's ~8 or so. [13:24]
mircea_popescu (recently ie, in march) [13:24]
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sturles Where is this number from? Mine is: [13:27]
sturles "size": 41322, [13:27]
sturles "bytes": 424008174, [13:27]
sturles "usage": 913135280, [13:27]
kakobrekla according to some; http://i.imgur.com/BdJFEc1.png [13:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/21K85Yz ) [13:27]
mircea_popescu sturles from my own nodes' estimation of what the "mempool" is currently. [13:28]
mircea_popescu built on the basis of what other nodes advertise as txn [13:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla haha is that yours ? [13:29]
kakobrekla no [13:29]
mircea_popescu nuts. [13:29]
kakobrekla its what 'tradeblock' reports [13:30]
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mircea_popescu check that out, "TradeBlock serves financial institutions with execution and analysis tools that capitalize on the potential of blockchain technologies." [13:31]
sturles By default Bitcoin Core will evict transactions which has been in the mempool for more than three days. A bad idea, because those will just come back from a node which had the transaction for less than three days, but since transactions paying a fee lower than the -minrelayfee threshold are throttled most low and 0-fee transactions will be kept out for most of the time. I'm sure there are an infinite amount of them.. [13:35]
* kakobrekla has to run bbl [13:36]
mircea_popescu it's a cheap hack, made sense at the time [13:36]
mircea_popescu (2010 ?) [13:36]
sturles Back in 2010 there was no eviction in place. Valid transactions stayed in the mempool until mined. Various eviction strategies have been tried for the last couple of years. [13:37]
mircea_popescu i don't recall when this "3 day" thing got introduced, but longer than coupla years ago i think. [13:37]
mircea_popescu anyway. [13:38]
deedbot- [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The layman’s guide to salvaging bitcoins in the era of Chicom miner monopoly. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/03/the-laymans-guide-to-salvaging-bitcoins-in-the-era-of-chicom-miner-monopoly/ [13:38]
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mircea_popescu !up sturles [13:41]
-assbot- You voiced sturles for 30 minutes. [13:41]
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mircea_popescu anyway, if you're curious, what trb is contemplating to eventually do is a ring buffer with a per-kb fee only as the criteria. [13:42]
mircea_popescu been discussed a coupla times in the logs. [13:42]
sturles 0.12 does eviction based on fee/kB. When the mempool is full, a large share (half?) of the transaction will get evicted and a minimum fee ratio to get included will be set. [13:45]
mircea_popescu yea, but none of the elegance of a ring buffer [13:45]
mircea_popescu also miserably implemented, but then again it is prb. [13:46]
sturles There is no priority included in the calculations for mempool eviction in 0.12. [13:46]
mircea_popescu right, there is that part. [13:46]
mircea_popescu i mean i just said, i'd take 5k for cash right now. [13:47]
mircea_popescu oops. [13:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw im getting report yes ? [14:05]
asciilifeform aha! [14:06]
asciilifeform as soon as i get back into cockpit actually. [14:06]
mircea_popescu cool deal. [14:08]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421058 << why do this in bursts ?! [14:10]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 16:44:12; sturles: 0.12 does eviction based on fee/kB. When the mempool is full, a large share (half?) of the transaction will get evicted and a minimum fee ratio to get included will be set. [14:10]
asciilifeform why not continuously. [14:10]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421059 << aha, this [14:10]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 16:44:42; mircea_popescu: yea, but none of the elegance of a ring buffer [14:10]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421063 << l0l [14:10]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 16:46:21; mircea_popescu: i mean i just said, i'd take 5k for cash right now. [14:10]
mircea_popescu two leaf clovers, don't get too excited. [14:11]
asciilifeform aw. [14:11]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421047 << the mempool system is screamingly idiotic, since day 1 [14:12]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 16:34:37; sturles: By default Bitcoin Core will evict transactions which has been in the mempool for more than three days. A bad idea, because those will just come back from a node which had the transaction for less than three days, but since transactions paying a fee lower than the -minrelayfee threshold are throttled most low and 0-fee transactions will be kept out for most of the time. I'm sure there are [14:12]
asciilifeform incidentally, wtf does prb think it's doing re: tx fee ordering, when it ACCEPTS MOTHERFUCKING ORPHANS !??!!! [14:13]
asciilifeform srsly, orphan-with-fee counts the same as real-thing-with-fee ?! [14:13]
* mircea_popescu notices BingoBoingo's sig starts with ADD [14:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shush you, it's not supposed to make algebra-2-sense. it's from the statistics-and-citizensheep textbook. [14:14]
asciilifeform uhuh. [14:14]
mircea_popescu do you feel included yet ? [14:15]
asciilifeform envaginated. [14:15]
mircea_popescu strangely, that doesn't seem to ever count. [14:15]
asciilifeform hm? [14:15]
mircea_popescu somehow, the fact that any system trying to "include everyone" necessarily excludes the best and brightest is never a concern. [14:15]
mircea_popescu da fuck is with these idiots. "oh, there's fewer of those" o ya ? guess what - there's fewer of niggers and jews, also. [14:15]
asciilifeform uncle al beat this subj to death. [14:16]
asciilifeform !s officially sad [14:16]
mircea_popescu so he did. [14:16]
assbot 3 results for 'officially sad' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=officially+sad [14:16]
asciilifeform hm [14:16]
asciilifeform anyway it's in the collected al. [14:16]
asciilifeform riotously. [14:16]
mircea_popescu i claim no ownership interest in the notion. it's so outrageous a tree somewhere in the forest prolly said somethingat some point. [14:16]
asciilifeform in unrelated nyooz, i happen to have carried out a successful experiment re: depoetteringization of a modern gentoo [14:17]
asciilifeform will assemble, some time next week prolly, a cookbook, if anyone is interested. [14:17]
asciilifeform should also be, theoretically, applicable to bsd [14:18]
asciilifeform or any other 100% source-based animal. [14:18]
asciilifeform if it is not clear, i am speaking not simply of systemd removal, but dbus et al. [14:18]
asciilifeform the whole tumourous affair. [14:19]
mircea_popescu o yes please. [14:19]
asciilifeform in such a way that the ports tree remains untangled, and the crud is not constantly knocking at the door to come back in. [14:19]
mircea_popescu i will have the harem hum your nick during sex for a week in recognition. [14:19]
asciilifeform l0lz [14:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet [14:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TSWdSu ) [14:25]
mircea_popescu i think i'll wait for the whole thing ? [14:26]
asciilifeform it took a good bit of sweat, to derive this kill list. [14:26]
asciilifeform and it works. 100%. [14:26]
asciilifeform trinque, ben_vulpes, phf, et al ^^ [14:26]
mircea_popescu yay. will defo test it. say when to do so. [14:27]
asciilifeform now use flags only function under gentoo. but the way they work is to translate into particular configure args when building [14:27]
asciilifeform and so could be, theoretically, used on bsd [14:27]
asciilifeform or a future v-based distro. [14:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can test now. everything else install per handbook. [14:28]
asciilifeform (but eschew grub2.) [14:28]
mircea_popescu so rather than a preliminary it's actually the thing ? [14:28]
mircea_popescu !up sturles [14:28]
-assbot- You voiced sturles for 30 minutes. [14:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is the chicken in the recipe, yes. [14:28]
sturles asciilifeform: Because it takes some time to do it for large mempools, I suppose. I think child fees are taken into account as well, but not sure about that. [14:28]
asciilifeform whole thing would consist of a step-by-step cookbook. [14:28]
asciilifeform but this is really all ~i~ would have needed. [14:29]
mircea_popescu sturles what was that otp thing ? [14:29]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-february-2016-statement/ << and jurov 8335 s.qntr added. [14:30]
assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnOBny ) [14:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the given magic will take you to, e.g., fully-functioning x11 emacs, irc clients, etc. that build sans dbus. [14:30]
sturles My gmail key is signing only. Not useable for encryption. Made it just for #bitcoin-otc. [14:30]
asciilifeform even wwwtrons. [14:30]
mircea_popescu sturles that's kind-of a problem then, you can't voice here. [14:30]
sturles asciilifeform: getrawmempool true reports for every transaction: descendantcount, descendantsize and descendantfees, indicating that it at least knows about it. [14:31]
asciilifeform sturles: what is this about ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu apparently his wot key is defective, can't decrypt assbot pad [14:32]
sturles 18:09 <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421058 << why do this in bursts ?! [14:32]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 16:44:12; sturles: 0.12 does eviction based on fee/kB. When the mempool is full, a large share (half?) of the transaction will get evicted and a minimum fee ratio to get included will be set. [14:32]
asciilifeform sturles: what do you mean, 'at least knows about it' ?? [14:33]
sturles I should change my key in #bitcoin-otc to the sturle@bitmynt.no key.. [14:33]
asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu the gentoo was tested on a x60 tp. [14:33]
asciilifeform which is now very happy. [14:33]
sturles It knows about the fee rate of the children of unconfirmed transactions. [14:33]
sturles Helps for child-pays-for-parent in mining. [14:33]
mircea_popescu oh ffs. [14:34]
asciilifeform sturles: holy fuck, do you understand how a tx that is not linkable to ACTUAL BLOCK is a ~work of fiction~ ??!!! [14:34]
asciilifeform !s orphan tx [14:34]
assbot 10 results for 'orphan tx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orphan+tx [14:34]
mircea_popescu fucking evil bs, child pays for parent, let's invent OTHER ways to import meaningless state into bitcoin and fuck it all up [14:34]
sturles If a transaction pays too low fees to get included, and you spend an output of the transaction with a high fee, a miner may want to mine both. [14:34]
asciilifeform sturles: you do not see the basic problem with taking a tx on faith ? [14:35]
asciilifeform for whatever purpose. [14:35]
mircea_popescu maybe if wot-ed nodes... [14:35]
sturles People spend unconfirmed outputs all the time. Bitcoin Core even does it by itself, if the output was generated by yourself. [14:35]
mircea_popescu sturles yes, and THAT IS A BUG IN PRB. [14:35]
asciilifeform sturles: trb WON'T ACCEPT a tx with even ONE unconfirmed input. [14:36]
asciilifeform do you know this ? [14:36]
asciilifeform i did this. [14:36]
asciilifeform try to understand WHY. [14:36]
sturles We are not talking about orphans here, since we have the parent in the mempool. [14:36]
asciilifeform if it is in the mempool, it is not a parent ! [14:36]
mircea_popescu this argument has some merit, but it's really contrary to bitcoin. [14:36]
asciilifeform it is a fetus. [14:36]
asciilifeform it might BECOME a parent, ~when it grows up~ [14:37]
sturles Well, you may call it a fetus. A miner can choose to give birth to both in the same block. [14:37]
asciilifeform (gets in a block.) [14:37]
mircea_popescu yeah, a miner might choose to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit. [14:37]
mircea_popescu this is part of the problem. [14:37]
asciilifeform sturles: for 'mights', go to a church. [14:37]
asciilifeform trb does not deal in mights. [14:37]
mircea_popescu that we allow the miners to do way too much stuff. [14:37]
asciilifeform ^ [14:37]
sturles It is in the design. As long as the order is correct (perent before child in the block), it is accepted. [14:38]
asciilifeform sturles: do you know what an ~algorithmic complexity attack~ is ? [14:38]
asciilifeform allowing chained tx to operate as a unit, in a node, opens you up to one. [14:39]
asciilifeform in fact this is happening EVERY MOTHERFUCKING DAY [14:39]
mircea_popescu quite. [14:39]
sturles Yes. It isn't verey complicated. Really. As long as A is found before B in the blockchain, the order is AB. Even if A and B are in the same block. [14:39]
mircea_popescu this nonsense is not long of this world, sturles [14:39]
sturles I am not saying it is the right way to do it, just that it is how it is. [14:40]
mircea_popescu there's no way to write a sane specification for bitcoin that avoids saying specifically "if input tx is not found in a block, tx is invalid" [14:40]
mircea_popescu yeah, some noncompliant miners are currently doing this, among many other insanities they do. [14:40]
deedbot- [Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-february-2016-statement/ [14:40]
asciilifeform sturles: it is pointedly NOT 'how it is' in trb. [14:40]
asciilifeform i killed this idiocy with my own hands. [14:40]
mircea_popescu no argument there. but it is not ok merely because some idiots do it atm. [14:41]
asciilifeform and it's staying dead. [14:41]
asciilifeform the miners are free to collect clumps of tx off the street and find, at their own idiot expense, validly linked chains thereof. [14:41]
asciilifeform but they do not HAVE to. [14:41]
asciilifeform they are doing this for no particularly good reason. [14:41]
asciilifeform could far more easily declare, as trb does, 'tx is only valid if inputs are confirmed in existing block.' [14:42]
asciilifeform and it would have been proper for the protocol to forbid the lunacy by proclaiming that a tx cannot rely on inputs IN SAME BLOCK AS IT. [14:43]
asciilifeform but this was not done, because satoshi smoked dope. [14:43]
mircea_popescu not too late for that, either. [14:43]
asciilifeform this is called a complexity vulnerability, and presently i search for these, elsewhere and far away, for a living. [14:44]
sturles It isn't that complex. The uxto set is updated as the block is parsed. The inputs of the sibling will be in the utxo set when it gets to it. It only makes some optimizations somewhat harder. [14:48]
asciilifeform sturles: you do not know what computational complexity refers to ??! [14:48]
asciilifeform 'it isn't the complex' !?!?!! [14:49]
asciilifeform that is a thing that one can say about an algo now ?! [14:49]
asciilifeform now i am tempted to say to client, when he asks for theta, 'it isn't that complex' [14:50]
mircea_popescu eh simmer down eh [14:51]
sturles Yes, and I don't think this is much more complex than requiring each utxo to be in a different block than the one it is spent from. [14:51]
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asciilifeform !up sturles [15:01]
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asciilifeform see, requiring inputs-in-old-blocks makes verification O(1). [15:04]
asciilifeform tight-bound. [15:04]
asciilifeform not doing so, gives you a worst-case of O(N^2) ! [15:05]
asciilifeform (every shot requires you to look at every other) [15:05]
asciilifeform this would be an 'academic' matter, were it not for the fact that the enemy is making full use of it. [15:05]
asciilifeform for ~6 mo. now. [15:06]
asciilifeform !s spamola [15:06]
assbot 6 results for 'spamola' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spamola [15:06]
sturles No, the order must be strict. I.e. the the parent must be confirmed _before_ the sibling. [15:06]
sturles If the sibling is _after_ the parent in the block, the block is invalid. [15:06]
asciilifeform sturles: how does your node decide if a tx is to be relayed ? [15:07]
asciilifeform (assume signature is valid) [15:07]
sturles I use normal rules for relaying transactions. [15:08]
asciilifeform what does this mean ? [15:08]
sturles I haven't looked closely at the code. My node behaves like any other node would. Except it keeps a part of the mempool protected from fee based eviction based on priority. [15:09]
asciilifeform sturles: i recommend to look at the code, you're in for some surprises. [15:10]
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trinque asciilifeform │ mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet << neato. -pulseaudio is another good one [15:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TSWdSu ) [15:24]
trinque (nobody cancelled dmix!!!111!!!) [15:26]
asciilifeform trinque: it doesn't try to slip in [15:29]
asciilifeform largely because everything that uses it, gets killed by the flag set shown. [15:29]
trinque nice [15:30]
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asciilifeform ultimately, a sane linux - to the extent such a thing is physically possible - will look like a gentoo with a vtronic portage. [15:33]
asciilifeform where, e.g., mircea_popescu can go, 'emerge ben_vulpes' and get a set. [15:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> what does this mean ? << that he's using prb and never looked inside for sheer horror [15:35]
mircea_popescu it's what it usually means when someone says they're using "normal" anything in bitcoin [15:36]
asciilifeform ugh [15:36]
mircea_popescu o shit, the very next line! [15:36]
mircea_popescu hey, i swear i hadn't read it when i said. [15:36]
asciilifeform http://badpenguins.com/gentoo-build-test << for archaeologists. [15:43]
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assbot Gentoo Stage1/Stage3 Building: Fact -vs- Fiction ... ( http://bit.ly/21H9eDG ) [15:43]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420808 << i took in the alberta ballet's nutcracker in december, which is the local company. there were no more than 3 of the cast who could actually dance. the rest were trying to 'fake it till you make it', which drove me up the wall, particularly when the mouth-breathing audience took it upon themselves to give the sorry lot a standing o. [16:06]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 07:09:35; phf: "experimental" forms to compensate for lack of rigour. [16:06]
pete_dushenski made me long to see a real ballet. i think i'll wait until the royal winnipeg is in town next. [16:06]
* trinque has dated two ballerinas [16:07]
trinque the ones that take it seriously are *jacked* [16:07]
* pete_dushenski used to dance ! lifts were a pubescent boy's dream cum true. [16:08]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420812 << hahaha i had this exact same debate with fillie at guggenheim bilbao over serra's 'the matter of time'. she fucking hated it, i defended it, but probably to play foil as much as anything. this was a few years ago however, though i do still see his works once or twice a year in toronto's pearson airport ('tilted spheres'). i will grant them their ability to bre [16:14]
pete_dushenski p a space both visually and auditorially. [16:14]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 08:53:24; ben_vulpes: and i don't want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel" [16:14]
pete_dushenski as ever, he with the gold calls the shots as to 'what is art' [16:15]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420965 << in my experience, as detailed in latest contravex, this can be worked around. [16:31]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 15:58:36; asciilifeform: and say they blacklist anything previously appearing as payout on bb. [16:31]
pete_dushenski granted that it's a bit of a pain, and also granting that it's hardly a scalable solution, it does do the trick. [16:32]
pete_dushenski this doesn't improve bitbet's position, nor its aims for transparency, but normally transacting users who previously received 'tainted' coins do have recourse. [16:33]
asciilifeform worked around ?! [16:34]
asciilifeform for one thing, the ~existing~ bets have addrs published. [16:34]
pete_dushenski i'm not discussing bets that haven't been resolved [16:34]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it remains trivial to track down and target the addrs ~from~ which bb pays out. [16:36]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420833 << not sure how transparency was 'unthinking' but i had largely the same train of thought last night as i was composing 'salvage' piece (ie. hashes, first few characters). [16:37]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 13:12:31; asciilifeform: 'You think Bitbet benefits from the open display of bets and payouts? Fine! Publish them for paid-out bets. Publish a shortened version for active bets, first few digits of the amount, a fragment of the address… publish hashes of the whole data, deedbot them, anything you'd like. Why publish the whole thing, plain text, all the time? What did you imagine would come out of that rabid, [16:37]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: all of the proposed 'mask' solutions remind me of the 'bear-proof suit' [16:37]
asciilifeform !s bear suit [16:37]
assbot 3 results for 'bear suit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bear+suit [16:37]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-04-2015#1095271 << thread. [16:38]
assbot Logged on 10-04-2015 19:15:42; ascii_field: Chillum: the entire exercise is what i call a 'bear suit' [16:38]
asciilifeform or, as uncle al called it, 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel.' [16:39]
asciilifeform some problems are not meant to be solved ~at the receiving end~ [16:39]
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asciilifeform BUT RATHER are to be solved by finding and catching the problemator, and smashing him into a concrete wall repeatedly until the problem goes away. [16:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, in particular, seems to understand this principle very well. [16:40]
asciilifeform perhaps even now he is looking for a suitable concrete wall. [16:41]
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pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/NxwksNr.webm << skull/lycra suit isn't unlike bear suit. [16:42]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: when I hear "fits in head" >> http://cdn2.thegloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Knowledge.gif [17:11]
BingoBoingo ... << BingoBoingo if that was you, and it was, you linked to an article of mine that said nothing re: miners... << Known, but gotta get people reading because lord knows /. story approvers don't [17:12]
ben_vulpes this conflict is rooted in the addr reuse thread. [17:15]
ben_vulpes while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there". [17:16]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: thoughts on the x60 vs x61? [17:21]
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punkman ben_vulpes: iirc x61 doesn't libreboot [17:29]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: theoretically, x60, because coreboot. but turns out that coreboot is halfbaked. [17:46]
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asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-02-2016#1417976 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-02-2016#1418199 [17:47]
assbot Logged on 29-02-2016 04:23:06; asciilifeform: libreboot just sort of runs it at mid-rpm at all times. [17:47]
assbot Logged on 29-02-2016 16:55:32; asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program. [17:47]
asciilifeform i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist [17:47]
asciilifeform (lenovo REALLY doesn't want you to use your own nic) [17:47]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: x60 is an amazing box (get the 64-bit last rev., 2GHz) but i must warn, it suffers from a barfalicious - by modern standards - lcd. [17:53]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:53]
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asciilifeform sata ssd will work, but limited to sata-ii (1.5Gb/s) freq. [17:53]
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gernika I finally have a fully synced trb node, after starting on the project almost a year ago. [18:12]
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pete_dushenski gernika: congrats! [18:14]
gernika thanks pete_dushenski [18:15]
pete_dushenski you persevered where many didn't, which is really the only way to live. [18:16]
shinohai gg gernika o/ [18:22]
gernika and if anyone is curious what took me so long - catastrophic hard disk failure, among other things. [18:25]
shinohai I've had that, theft, and just yesterday a db crash. Yet I soldier on. [18:40]
trinque shinohai: home/car/other ? [18:41]
shinohai trinque: home, someone busted in my the side door to my home office, got a lappy and a few trivial items. [18:45]
trinque ah, sorry to hear that. [18:46]
shinohai No big deal besides the lost work, thankfully the airgapped computer with my gpg keys was in my bedroom at the time. [18:48]
shinohai I hope they booted into Arch and were like "dafuq did I just steal?" [18:48]
trinque heh, that's what I imagine the fucks that stole my 4U doing. [18:49]
trinque "This space heater sucks!11!1!" [18:49]
shinohai kek [18:50]
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danielpbarron !up jabular [19:03]
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danielpbarron oh trinque thanks for adding my blog :D [19:04]
shinohai I read that this morning danielpbarron - nice! [19:13]
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trinque danielpbarron: yw [19:18]
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felipelalli deedbot-, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1effa68e-6a36-4586-ad55-504c15f8bbd7/?raw=true [19:33]
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felipelalli deedbot- does not like me :) [19:34]
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trinque not sure why that happened. [19:36]
trinque felipelalli: I'll look in a bit and fix whatever's stopping that and put it through for you. [19:37]
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felipelalli trinque, thank you very much. I guess is something related with UTF-8 again because in my browser I had to manually set to UTF-8 encoding when ?raw=true [19:41]
felipelalli maybe a problem with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ [19:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1p2GpAu ) [19:41]
felipelalli wrong header or something [19:41]
felipelalli the header is "Content-Type:text/plain" but could be "Content-Type:text/plain?charset=utf-8" [19:42]
danielpbarron deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/felipelalli.asc.txt [19:42]
deedbot- imported: 9E08524833CB3038FDE385C54C0AFCCFED5CDE14 [19:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1p2GBj0 ) [19:42]
danielpbarron deedbot- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1effa68e-6a36-4586-ad55-504c15f8bbd7/?raw=true [19:42]
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felipelalli deedbot-, http://pastebin.com/raw/b0aR4b6k [19:43]
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felipelalli the problem is wotpaste [19:43]
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trinque ah neato [19:44]
trinque ben_vulpes: ^ [19:44]
felipelalli trinque, thank you! [19:50]
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ben_vulpes fascinating. [19:58]
ben_vulpes noted, ty. [19:58]
deedbot- [Qntra] Chinese Businesses Scavenge US Industry For Brands - http://qntra.net/2016/03/chinese-businesses-scavenge-us-industry-for-brands/ [20:07]
pete_dushenski "General Electric's efforts get out" << missing 'to' [20:08]
pete_dushenski "appliance business have become public knowledge twice before." << this parse funny to anyone else ? [20:10]
pete_dushenski "Following that last year "Justice" Department regulators refused permission to Swedish firm Electrolux's efforts to unburden General Electric of this line of business by acquiring it for 3.3 billion" << idem. [20:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00056611 = 22.1915 BTC [-] {3} [20:12]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: in general, more commas plz ! [20:12]
pete_dushenski punctuation helps break up thoughts and controls reader flow [20:12]
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cazalla how's the bubs pete_dushenski ? [20:25]
pete_dushenski cazalla: just splendid. we're in the sweet spot where he's sleeping well, eating well, can't crawl, and isn't teething :) [20:26]
cazalla sounds like heaven! [20:27]
pete_dushenski lol sure feels like it ! [20:27]
cazalla i'm at the stage where i'm now singing and dancing to wiggles songs at 6am [20:27]
cazalla walking around with kids songs lyrics in muh head [20:28]
pete_dushenski gotta have something in there eh ;) [20:31]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: ty, should be fixed [20:41]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Also added picture I left out [20:48]
pete_dushenski aha [20:50]
cazalla BingoBoingo, qntra down? down here [20:51]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Seems up, we don't really get ddos'd as much [20:51]
cazalla might be my end then [20:53]
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mircea_popescu first! [21:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421236 << fancy that, i've just been to an incredibly shitty "super hip" bar here. nice tall ceilings, that the idiots took to defending against with some inept iron grating to make the seats all boxed in. live band, so fucking bad it had more in common with static noise than music. [21:50]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 19:05:18; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420808 << i took in the alberta ballet's nutcracker in december, which is the local company. there were no more than 3 of the cast who could actually dance. the rest were trying to 'fake it till you make it', which drove me up the wall, particularly when the mouth-breathing audience took it upon themselves to give the sorry lot a standin [21:50]
mircea_popescu they had the unmitigated audacity to leave envelopes on the tables, "thanks for halping us continue with our art" [21:51]
mircea_popescu i crossed out art and wrote in "you stink" and "get a job", but something tells me they won't take this to heart and execute it exactly [21:51]
mircea_popescu just like any other derp/redditard to whom i give key life advice. [21:51]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421239 << nice going, i'm at two too! we're ballerina bros now! [21:52]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 19:06:28; *: trinque has dated two ballerinas [21:52]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421265 << and what exactly do you want me to do, invade china ? [21:55]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 19:39:39; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, in particular, seems to understand this principle very well. [21:55]
mircea_popescu the brits of 1800 are nowhere to be seen. [21:55]
asciilifeform keccak? [22:01]
mircea_popescu i did not say "the machine gun". i said THE BRITS. [22:04]
mircea_popescu people other than orwell, who unlike orwell had sex and mattered in the world. [22:04]
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mircea_popescu in other news - hilary apparently attacked trump, and with a total loser speech. it's all over, he's winning [22:12]
mircea_popescu seriously, not time to make america great again, it never ceased being great, gotta unite it more ? bitch, you lose. you lose so badly... jesus. [22:12]
mircea_popescu i don't recall when's the last time a democrat was so culturally inept. maybe carter. [22:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421273 << as alf aptly points out, merely not telling people where you sleep does nothing to chillax the band of armed murderers going about the streets. [22:21]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 20:15:01; ben_vulpes: while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there". [22:21]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421281 << the shit this guy does... [22:22]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 20:46:35; asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist [22:22]
BingoBoingo in other news - hilary apparently attacked trump, and with a total loser speech. it's all over, he's winning << It was Romney, but really no diff [22:24]
mircea_popescu in other news, they have these guts-of-figs with almods or other nuts on top sweets here. utterly delicious with a glass of vermouth [22:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wait wut ? [22:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Romney attacked Trump and offered brokered convention as a solution in his speech [22:25]
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mircea_popescu nono, that's different [22:25]
BingoBoingo i.e. Let Trump win a plurality but not majority of delegates [22:26]
BingoBoingo Oh [22:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, trump got 7, next ghuy what, 3 ? 4 ? it's all over. i hope to hell he a) fails to get enough delegates and then b) spits in their faces re "brokered convention" and then c) starts his OWN party on pretty much a platform of "fuck the republicans and what are these democrats supposed to even be ?" [22:26]
mircea_popescu ideally the republican party should end by being spit in the face by "an outlier" and never recovering from it. best thing for them. [22:27]
* mircea_popescu is wishing trump the most mp-esque of fates. [22:27]
BingoBoingo Well, the writing's on the wall for that except for the part about such a fate being MP-esque, I mean Donald Trump-Clinton is a serial scammer. [22:28]
mircea_popescu sadly. [22:28]
mircea_popescu but for a better man, the correct strategy is exactly this. [22:28]
mircea_popescu besides, the us is just about ripe for a peron of its own [22:29]
mircea_popescu gotta become the argentina it always was, deep down. [22:29]
mircea_popescu what's the ivanka v2's name, evita trump what ? [22:29]
BingoBoingo This is really the fatal flaw in the whole voting business. All politicans get habituated to lying, scamming, and under delivering but these these outsiders like Donald Trump-Clinton beat them at their game because they practiced those things without the rest of the circle jerk more openly and more criminally. [22:30]
* mircea_popescu drinks a toast to the new PJBFRAWTFATDESTB US party. [22:31]
BingoBoingo I don't recall [22:31]
mircea_popescu (ie, Partido Justicialista Because Fuck Republicans And What The Fuck Are These Democrats Even Supposed To Be) [22:31]
mircea_popescu first party in history with a double fuck in the full name. [22:32]
mircea_popescu and that only because it abstains from discussing the economy. [22:32]
* BingoBoingo would just prefer a more honest wrecker to do the parting [22:33]
mircea_popescu and speaking of the us and its future - so macri's been in power for a few weeks now, the peronistas (ie, criminal-socialist party) kept hewing and hawing about how they'll bring the street power to bear. today they finally called out a demonstration, it was on all the news outlet. deeply zoomed in, it looked almost like a thing. but zoomed out, it was ~50 to 100 people in a yellow box "blocking traffic". all the plaza [22:34]
mircea_popescu de mayo wide the fuck open, more police than protestors, 50 miles of fence and 300 yards of protestor perimeter. [22:34]
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mircea_popescu an utter humiliation, i have no idea why the fuck they even did it. but it's quite clear that without the cona house they got ~nothing. [22:34]
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mircea_popescu so macri's here to stay, and the country's definitely going on sale. staples prices already up ~50 to maybe 100%, salaries frozen, all bureaucrats discussing in hushed tones their fears of which jobs will be cut... it's a pleasure. [22:36]
mircea_popescu i hope they all fucking starve. [22:36]
mircea_popescu oh wait, they sold the corn earlier. they're definitely starving. [22:36]
BingoBoingo lol [22:37]
* BingoBoingo wondering if much of the US is even planting corn this year [22:38]
mircea_popescu well the us has the advantage that the people contain enough food for ~decade, give or take. [22:38]
mircea_popescu they can just redistribute the fat. [22:38]
mircea_popescu and besides, since they ended canada's oil boom with their inept russian embargo shenanigans, the great farmland to the north can get back to agriculture. great obama-hruschev common single planning organ success! [22:41]
BingoBoingo lol pete_dushenski and nubbins' in two dog land have to dust off their hos [22:43]
mircea_popescu actually, for the interested us scholar, the history of the comecom should be read carefully. it's not merely informative, but will be quite predictive. [22:44]
mircea_popescu comecon* [22:44]
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asciilifeform oblig: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2014#581098 [22:46]
assbot Logged on 25-03-2014 20:55:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of, in reverse: '...Идет пленум ЦК, Генеральный секретарь читает доклад: Больших успехов достигли хлеборобы Кубанщины, Ставропольщины, Смоленщины, Техасщины, Колорадщины.' [22:46]
BingoBoingo Here they pronounce it Comicon [22:46]
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mircea_popescu lmao [22:46]
mircea_popescu check out alf's elephantine memory! [22:46]
asciilifeform http://www.cbm.sfks.se/pics/elephant-memory-systems.jpg << who remembers these [22:47]
* asciilifeform still has a box full. [22:47]
asciilifeform http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/pict/401048414225_1.jpg << them. [22:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUagFn ) [22:48]
mircea_popescu ha-ha! [22:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420838 << what with the unmitigated audacity of organising "conferences" and announcing "agreements" as if anyone gave the slightest bit of a fuck. [22:51]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2016 13:18:23; asciilifeform: the cockroaches, mice, and rats, have come to genuinely believe that they own the house. [22:51]
mircea_popescu and these imbecile stallmans of a new generation, encouraging this nonsense. pfff. [22:52]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421354 << sounds like the band asciilifeform and i got as far away from as possible while still able to gawk at the audience in bsas! [22:54]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2016 00:49:41; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421236 << fancy that, i've just been to an incredibly shitty "super hip" bar here. nice tall ceilings, that the idiots took to defending against with some inept iron grating to make the seats all boxed in. live band, so fucking bad it had more in common with static noise than music. [22:54]
mircea_popescu the audience took me back 20 years. back in mid 90s, there was this bar in cluj, mostly favoured by highschooler chicks that were just mediocre but liked to think themsleves special. [22:55]
BingoBoingo More Real America Future: https://archive.is/5NU2l [22:55]
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assbot Stories from Asian parents ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUaVqu ) [22:55]
ben_vulpes remember that, asciilifeform ? we had more or less the whole upstairs to ourselves? [22:55]
mircea_popescu they went there to overdemonstratively socialise and pretend like they're drunk and please grab my teat. [22:55]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha! [22:55]
mircea_popescu except these bovines would have counted as lamers in that ~lame set. [22:55]
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ben_vulpes i do admire the stairs-barely-bolted-to-the-wall argentine asthetic [22:56]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: link to clitler speach? [22:58]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421377 << today i learn that dirigibilists drink vermouth qua vermouth [22:59]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2016 01:23:57; mircea_popescu: in other news, they have these guts-of-figs with almods or other nuts on top sweets here. utterly delicious with a glass of vermouth [22:59]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes believe it or not i read it in la nacion. [23:00]
ben_vulpes i just threw up in my mouth [23:00]
ben_vulpes http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1875089-hillary-clinton-gano-las-primarias-en-carolina-del-sur-con-casi-el-80-de-los-votos << eso? [23:02]
mircea_popescu mno [23:02]
mircea_popescu http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1876161-guerra-declarada-hillary-pasa-al-ataque-y-va-por-trump << aqui [23:04]
assbot Guerra declarada: Hillary pasa al ataque y va por Trump - 03.03.2016 - LA NACION   ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUbIYm ) [23:04]
mircea_popescu why does she look so much like a fucking bird anyway. [23:06]
mircea_popescu this year in us election, an ogre runt and a quail on lsd. [23:06]
ben_vulpes THE ACID TRIP NEVER ENDS [23:06]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what is the 'comecon'? [23:09]
mircea_popescu derpy soviet take on economy. [23:09]
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mircea_popescu anyway, did the argentinos hallucinate the story ? never happened ? [23:11]
ben_vulpes ask someone who cares [23:11]
mircea_popescu was just asking in general :) [23:12]
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mircea_popescu gotta say i like the language. the derps are fucking useless - saw a fucktard SLEEPING IN THE SHOP today, banned the shop - but check out "envalentonada". [23:12]
ben_vulpes look i'm always down to see people humiliate themselves or be humiliated but the acres of derping around before the hammer comes down isn't edging its just fucking boring [23:12]
mircea_popescu hm ? [23:13]
ben_vulpes the whole electoral farce [23:13]
ben_vulpes when it coughs up lols, i'll lol [23:13]
ben_vulpes but track it? [23:14]
ben_vulpes noty. [23:14]
mircea_popescu oh oh. my interest is mostly linguistic. [23:14]
ben_vulpes MOOOOOO [23:14]
mircea_popescu lol andrew cuomo does impressions now ? [23:14]
ben_vulpes cuomoo [23:15]
mircea_popescu i thought he was ~headed for jail. except you know, "tough on crime" beeeeeehehehehe towelhead forgot the keys to the toughness vault or something. [23:15]
mircea_popescu what's his name, polly-wanna-baccarat or whatever the fuck. [23:15]
* BingoBoingo still rather convinced Hillary rodham-clinton and donald trump-clinton are colluding [23:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo incidentally - imagine the fucking ratings once trump turns the white house into a nbc studio [23:16]
mircea_popescu "BE A PRESIDENTIAL ASSISTANT!" [23:16]
mircea_popescu chinese'd watch that shit. [23:17]
* BingoBoingo also kinda thought this just Trump juicing his ratings after NBC canned his struggling show [23:17]
ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA << oblig [23:18]
assbot President Camacho's State of the Union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUd7yc ) [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12349 @ 0.00056751 = 7.0082 BTC [+] {2} [23:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, needless to say the argentine press utterly hates trump. "o noes, male with an ego! hilary is for kids and women! NO UNA MENOS!!!1 herpderp" [23:20]
* mod6 just caught up on logs [23:20]
mod6 lol @ PJBFRAWTFATDESTB [23:21]
mircea_popescu :p [23:21]
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BingoBoingo They both have the same clinton ethical disorder [23:22]
mircea_popescu ;;ud bennett [23:24]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bennett | A bennett is an individual who is known for his skills with females both sexually and relationship wise. A bennett is typically tall with a long bl... [23:24]
mircea_popescu so now you know. [23:24]
cazalla BingoBoingo, do you vote? [23:27]
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BingoBoingo Sometimes for sport [23:27]
cazalla i'd vote for Trump, just for sport [23:28]
cazalla get a job help building that wall as well [23:28]
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mircea_popescu lol. prolly a pretty good job. [23:28]
BingoBoingo Nah, prolly doing my sport voting for rubio or cruz in order to do my part for the brokered convention outcome [23:29]
mircea_popescu no love for mr hairday guy ? [23:31]
cazalla how was your winter? i just pulled the rest of the tomatoes out this morning, tfw no more summer and winter is coming [23:31]
asciilifeform vote for Vermin!11 [23:31]
punkman http://donaldjdrumpf.com/ [23:31]
assbot Make Donald Drumpf! ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUesoL ) [23:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, romanians have been trading votes for years now. go in there with your smartphone, take pic of vote and id card, get 30 lei or w/e [23:32]
asciilifeform l0l sounds like a job for a gimp script (tnyscheme!11) [23:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I refuse to vote for a clinton so no, can't vote for hairday guy [23:32]
BingoBoingo vote for Vermin!11 << This general election course of action [23:33]
asciilifeform aha. [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform obviously you could take as many pics as payers. but in spite of the ridoinculousness, the nonsense provably works. [23:33]
asciilifeform provably? [23:34]
asciilifeform how [23:34]
mircea_popescu compare the counties where scheme was implemented (it's always done by the "local barons", not a central thing) with the counties where it isn't. [23:35]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/03/the-laymans-guide-to-salvaging-bitcoins-in-the-era-of-chicom-miner-monopoly/#comment-41310 [23:44]
assbot The layman’s guide to salvaging bitcoins in the era of Chicom miner monopoly. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1VUfIYQ ) [23:44]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: pray explain how it works. [23:45]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421360 << recently learned that 'freres de lait' shared wet nurse. [23:45]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2016 00:51:15; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421239 << nice going, i'm at two too! we're ballerina bros now! [23:45]
asciilifeform so you send a privkey. recipient does what? [23:45]
asciilifeform now you gotta transact ~twice~ [23:46]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: user can't send tx because blackholed for using verboten tmsr service, let's say. user exports privkey from wallet, imports to bc.info, sends coins to new wallet and continues on his merry way. [23:46]
asciilifeform once to fill up the addr [23:46]
asciilifeform and now also he had to empty it. [23:47]
pete_dushenski issues may arise if coins are sent to 'wiped' address on throw-away bc.info wallet. thus, my response [23:47]
asciilifeform no, think [23:47]
asciilifeform say you happened to have addr with x btc just lying around. you pay me by sending its privk. [23:48]
asciilifeform now ~i~ want to spend. [23:48]
asciilifeform what, i send key again to next dest?! [23:49]
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asciilifeform creating ~3~ wallets with identical key?!! [23:49]
pete_dushenski i must be thick [23:49]
asciilifeform and 3 folks who can spend it. [23:50]
asciilifeform even by accident [23:50]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: think about why we even have bitcoin? [23:50]
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asciilifeform instead of just saying 'i own this integer' [23:50]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420598 [23:51]
assbot Logged on 02-03-2016 22:56:04; pete_dushenski: if i may summarise the last 24 hours of logs, which i must say were eminently enjoyable save the lack of practical recourse discussed : bitcoin remains the world's worst payment network... except for all the others. and even still, not by much. [23:51]
mircea_popescu take it the other way, pete_dushenski [23:51]
asciilifeform do you recall the ancient derpage where folks sold accounts? [23:51]
asciilifeform or how mtgox was sold. [23:52]
mircea_popescu so you meet a shady guy in a bar, and he shows you an address with 10 btc in it, and gives you the privkey in exchange of taking the lady in the back alley half-n-half. [23:52]
mircea_popescu the lady side aside, do you think this is a sensible deal ? [23:52]
pete_dushenski no, because he can have copies of privkey [23:52]
mircea_popescu so then. [23:52]
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pete_dushenski but if no more coins are sent to the shared privkey, then all's kosher, neh ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu how is it kosher ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu it's not kosher, it's a race as to who can spend first, and you're hoping the lady's good enough to keep him busy long enough for you to get to a wifi ? [23:54]
deedbot- [Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) February 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-february-2016-statement/ [23:54]
mircea_popescu which i suppose works ok in this extemporaneous prostitution scenario, but pretty much nowhere else. [23:54]
pete_dushenski because it's then a throwaway intermediary. and yes, hoping that bc.info doesn't spend same coins in same 10 minutes is the risk. [23:54]
asciilifeform generally, situation where 2+ people each have full control of a prvkey, is a deadly failure [23:54]
pete_dushenski it's. 10. minutes. [23:54]
asciilifeform like short circuit in electronics. [23:54]
pete_dushenski after that, one hopes, no more. [23:55]
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mircea_popescu well... what happens if the tx is not included in a block ? [23:55]
pete_dushenski i'm not advocating regular use of webwallets here [23:55]
mircea_popescu or, better yet, broadcast but "not seen", magically ? [23:55]
mircea_popescu by "the network", of course. [23:55]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: what 10min?! whatever kept you from transacting like normal people, will keep you from moving the 'temporary' coinz [23:55]
punkman where the hell does bc.info come in and why [23:56]
pete_dushenski then bc.info has miners who prioritise their txen ? [23:56]
asciilifeform this whole thing is 'ukranian space program' - 'we'll fly to the sun! at night!' [23:56]
pete_dushenski l0l [23:56]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: then user is fucked because he's now shared privkeys and ~still~ has no way of transacting lol [23:57]
pete_dushenski punkman: just a place to import privkeys [23:57]
pete_dushenski one that seems to get tx included in blocks, i might add [23:58]
punkman pete_dushenski: I read the blog post, didn't make sense [23:58]
pete_dushenski just my experience [23:58]
mircea_popescu basically, the most charitable read of the thing i can come up with is, "if you find your own wallet unable to transact - try move the privkey to a webwallet, maybe it works there". [23:58]
mircea_popescu that much... i guess may make sense, maybe. [23:58]
punkman sure [23:58]
punkman but stuck coinz don't get unstuck because you moved priv keys [23:59]
mircea_popescu no, but you can now bitch at vc derps and post on reddit. [23:59]
asciilifeform let hitler try spendng for you! ahaha lol [23:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform somethinglike that. given that his guide announces itself as "opportunistic smalltimer defense", it's not necessarily wrong. [23:59]
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