Forum logs for 03 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat." [00:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00052155 = 15.2032 BTC [+] [00:01]
assbot Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG ) [00:01]
decimation apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat' [00:01]
asciilifeform decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it. [00:03]
decimation only if they feel you 'pose a threat' [00:04]
decimation http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office." [00:05]
assbot Obama Confuses 'White House' For 'Prison' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTdNuj ) [00:05]
asciilifeform related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.' [00:06]
decimation heh [00:06]
decimation http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/google-dev-apologizes-after-photos-app-tags-black-people-as-gorillas/ < lolz [00:13]
assbot Google dev apologizes after Photos app tags black people as “gorillas” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA4BF ) [00:13]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf << related mega-classic [00:14]
assbot A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh ) [00:14]
decimation asciilifeform: this is terrible news, now all learning algorithms are going to need 'political filters' [00:15]
decimation like a party political officer in every server [00:15]
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asciilifeform logical extension of 'party member in every elevator ride in every office' [00:16]
decimation maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together [00:17]
asciilifeform iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades [00:17]
asciilifeform (a scamarket, naturally, consists of a crown concession to perpetrate a particular kind of scam.) [00:18]
decimation note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history [00:19]
asciilifeform wai wut [00:19]
asciilifeform thinking of the guild system ? [00:20]
decimation yeah, plus 'crown monopolies' [00:21]
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mod6 107+ [00:52]
mod6 er 207+ [00:52]
asciilifeform 306200+ [00:52]
asciilifeform looks like these are going at about same rate [00:52]
mod6 nice [00:53]
mod6 how long have you been sync'ing for now? 2 days? [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16849 @ 0.00051347 = 8.6515 BTC [-] [00:55]
asciilifeform approx. 35 hrs [00:55]
mod6 ah sweet. [00:55]
mod6 typical sync via irc seeding took me ~6 days [00:56]
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mod6 seems like this is going faster, but we'll see how long it takes to go from 300k-350k [00:56]
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trinque http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/facebook-wants-to-get-inside-your-brain-20150703-gi3jjg << lol, facebook is going to invent brain-computer interface telepathy! [01:21]
assbot Why Facebook wants to get inside your brain ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdZ47E ) [01:21]
trinque the bullshit never ends [01:21]
trinque Since Facebook's 2012 IPO, it has needed a compelling "story" to tell corporate investors, says IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick. << btw the new meaning of the quotation mark in english is herein lie lies [01:23]
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trinque ffa [01:49]
trinque whoops [01:49]
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trinque http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/cnn-to-broadcast-corporate-propaganda-as-news.html << "news-like" content [01:53]
assbot CNN to Broadcast Corporate Propaganda as News? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAL4AS ) [01:53]
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trinque something suitable for the human-like creatures eating food-like matter on a couch-like object in a home-like hovel they quasi-own [01:58]
asciilifeform lulzily, continuing old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181581 , http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/us-cuba-embassy.html [01:59]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 04:33:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc [01:59]
assbot US, Cuba to Reopen Embassies | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALG9P ) [01:59]
asciilifeform or rather, http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/how-to-resolve-american-property-claims-in-cuba.html [01:59]
assbot How To Resolve American Property Claims In Cuba? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALMy9 ) [02:00]
asciilifeform (why not the claims of old spain? of indians?) [02:03]
trinque in that case I'd like to claim my family's pre-mussolini wealth from italy [02:06]
trinque adjusted for inflation, please. [02:07]
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BingoBoingo More of Reddit punching itself https://archive.is/x1dPs [02:31]
assbot Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made private? : OutOfTheLoop ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7tqbQ ) [02:31]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field o hey. sweet. anything unusual ? [15:46]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: in node? not thus far [15:46]
mircea_popescu ragnarok of dissapoint! [15:47]
ascii_field well i haven't 'eatblock'ified anything past 217335 yet [15:47]
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mircea_popescu there is that. [15:47]
mircea_popescu anyway i'll feel a lot better about this world and my life once this has been actually reviewed by third parties. ie , you. [15:48]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: at present, i doubt that we'll turn up any oddities in the blocks per se [15:49]
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mircea_popescu right. i don't think so either. [15:49]
ascii_field what i did learn is that mapBlockIndex grows linearly (300 bt) for every block ever seen. [15:50]
ascii_field that that in order to change this, it'd have to live on disk [15:51]
ascii_field (naturally, cached) [15:51]
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mod6 !up ascii_field [15:52]
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mod6 shinohai: ok let's work through it [15:52]
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mats dignork: i'm looking forward to a test drive [15:52]
shinohai @ mod6 I think I should start with a bare build. the other one is fine, son't want to touch it xD [15:52]
shinohai *don't [15:53]
mircea_popescu ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future. [15:53]
mircea_popescu i suspek computing is moving towards joint ram/disk anyway. [15:53]
mod6 yeah, that's what i was saying before: leave your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as-is. Then setup a new environment to give the "stator" build a try -- is pre-patched, so should be able to compile and run, or if your slightly more daring, just run the included pre-compiled (by alf) binary (ensure to check sigs first!) [15:54]
shinohai kk but the whole reason I want to do this is so I can try the new patches by ascii_field, the blockdump [15:55]
mod6 sure, ok. so what we'll need to do (and even I haven't tried patching those in myself yet) is to extract the stator, then apply the patches. [15:56]
mats that'll be interesting when the dichotomy vanishes. linux has been adding support for persistent memory afaik [15:56]
mats 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked [15:56]
mod6 lemme give it a shot on my end first, see what happens so I can give you valid help [15:56]
mod6 just a minute here. [15:56]
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mats nothing merged so far though [15:57]
trinque jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? requiring that on my mailserver's end has drastically cut down on spam, but I think that's causing me to miss mailing list messages [15:57]
trinque it it's too much trouble, don't worry about it [15:57]
trinque for some odd reason spam botnets don't seem to bother at all with tls being required [15:57]
trinque maybe a performance thing [15:57]
trinque I went from 100s of spamz a day to 0 with this one weird trick. [15:58]
punkman mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release [15:58]
shinohai There should be a super-secret #b-a mining pool. [15:59]
trinque shinohai: isn't the idea that you want your pool as big as possible? [16:00]
trinque (not that I don't like secret clubs) [16:00]
shinohai ^ truth [16:01]
shinohai stratum mining proxy already forked to accept larger blocksize :/ [16:02]
trinque meh, dunno why any miner would want that [16:04]
trinque http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum [16:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv ) [16:05]
mod6 one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures. [16:05]
mod6 punkman: ok. i thought we had decided to leave the miner in there for now. but yeah, thanks I'll let ya know. [16:06]
mod6 we've got quite a lot to do before we're there anyway. [16:06]
mircea_popescu ascii_field http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/ [16:06]
assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWpDKb ) [16:07]
trinque is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ? [16:07]
* trinque reads the ml message, derp [16:08]
mircea_popescu mats quite. [16:08]
mircea_popescu many people's ideal machine. [16:08]
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BingoBoingo OH SHIT /R/BUTTCOIN forcibly reopened by Chairman Pao https://i.imgur.com/1woKG9P.png [16:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqavO ) [16:12]
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trinque important business lawl [16:13]
mats BingoBoingo: this must be a hoax [16:13]
trinque https://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-GB&q=Reddit+alternative#q=Reddit%20alternative&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B7 [16:14]
BingoBoingo Who knowsanymore with reddit [16:14]
assbot Google Trends ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqj26 ) [16:14]
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mircea_popescu lol it was closed ?! [16:16]
shinohai The plot thickens [16:16]
mircea_popescu why was it closed. [16:16]
punkman because they fired some chick [16:16]
mircea_popescu buttcoin had employees ?! [16:16]
mircea_popescu check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits. [16:16]
punkman no, reddit fired a chick, moderators closed down subreddits in protest [16:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is this going on qntra ? [16:17]
mircea_popescu goies nicely with the discussion of that time when they fucked up deleting a qntra article iirc. [16:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Reddit death already had a big one. This one's getting a quick note [16:18]
phf mod6: it would be nice to have an mbox or maildir tgz for the mailing list with all the attachments still included. took me couple of hours to reconstruct and verify patch list, while could've been done in matter of minutes with procmail and mimetools [16:18]
trinque phf: you could crawl that patches page maybe [16:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo kk [16:18]
trinque I didn't know the patches page existed til today [16:19]
mircea_popescu heddesk [16:21]
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scoopbot_revived No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/ [16:24]
phf trinque: tbh i thought it was broken, since it's missing chicken, gui, etc. only once i went through the exercise of making my own did i realize that those are not part of mailing list history [16:24]
trinque ah, yeah [16:24]
mod6 So a bunch have patches have been submitted in the last month. A read through each of the emails is kindof required at this point because they all have specific instructions and dependantcies. [16:25]
mod6 I will work on a patch list and maybe a script later this month. It is a bit hard to follow. [16:25]
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mod6 I'll work on something for that within the next week probably. [16:27]
scoopbot_revived Further Reddit Outrage as Unpaid Moderators Rebel http://qntra.net/2015/07/further-reddit-outrage-as-unpaid-moderators-rebel/ [16:30]
BingoBoingo On that note, I'll brb in a few units of time. [16:32]
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mod6 phf: anyway, what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve? [16:32]
shinohai The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try and take over the world! [16:34]
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mod6 ex: are you trying to patch v0.5.3 to get to v0.5.3.1? (You can just download the release tarball). Are you trying to patch v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with alf's patches? (must read emails to figure out the deps, OR you can just build the stator which includes all of alf's patches with exception of dumpblock & eatblock), those must be patched post extraction of the stator tarball -- of which im actually testing now. [16:34]
* trinque puts the laptop in the freezer while it builds boost [16:35]
mod6 which, btw, they hvae patched in just fine... building the whole thing now. [16:35]
mod6 (with openssl/bdb/boost) [16:35]
mod6 I'm creating a log of this, and will post for everyone to look at once complete. [16:35]
* shinohai thanks mod6 for the dedication [16:37]
mod6 yw :] [16:37]
mod6 heh, this boost compile is taking a while, because i'm also syncing at the same time haha [16:37]
shinohai I'm almost @ block 200000 [16:38]
mod6 good deal! [16:38]
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shinohai Then when I get this new build up, I can sync up to the correct nodes, and .torrent dat chain. [16:39]
phf mod6: i don't necessarily have problems, i have a bitcoind with all the patches up to eatblock (haven't looked at stator yet, but then i'm building with enemy tools). the way i assembled patches is by reading through web archive and saving/verifying each patch as i saw it [16:39]
mod6 ahhh [16:40]
mod6 can you point me to the web-archive you're using? just curious. [16:40]
phf the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface [16:40]
phf mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html etc. [16:41]
assbot The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf5e7s ) [16:41]
mod6 ahh. im not sure i remember mbox. and yeah, the whole thing is a bit... unwieldly [16:41]
mod6 so wait, you're just going through each email and pulling out patches? or are you on that part of jurov's website with the signed patches? [16:42]
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phf mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" [16:43]
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mod6 <+phf> the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface << so, what I've done in the past was; create a perl script that pulls down and verifies all the patches and applies them to a common baseline. [16:44]
mod6 plus, create a How-To guide. Both of which need updating for the flurry of recent patches that have been submitted. Just haven't had a chance yet. [16:44]
mod6 <+phf> mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" << im not sure what their process is. [16:45]
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funkenstein_ "southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks [16:47]
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phf mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the next email [16:49]
mod6 ok, i like mutt :] [16:49]
mod6 are you asking me to write an email client script? [16:49]
mod6 basically, instead of me making a whole bunch of different one-off scripts for peoples seperate clients and whatever stack they've got, I just create one script that will patch in & verify all the scripts at once. usually after I've tried and tested them all myself, peronsally. [16:51]
mod6 But I've only started scratching the surface with alf's latest, so this hasn't been done yet. All of these are still in my "Highly Experemental" category. AKA: use at your own risk. [16:51]
phf mod6: no, i'm asking you to provide an archive of raw messages as they were received and stored by mailman. something like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October.txt, but withtout attachments split into separate files [16:51]
mod6 But as I get through more of these and test more of these, I'll put something together to make this process easier. [16:52]
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shinohai mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD [16:53]
mod6 phf: there are specific reasons why the attachments are split into separate files. [16:54]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185550 << yes problem. because pogo. [16:55]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 18:49:20; mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future. [16:55]
ascii_field and because infinitely growing data structures is what gods made disk for [16:55]
ascii_field not ram [16:55]
phf mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows [16:55]
ascii_field ('disk' in the broad sense of relatively slow, inexpensive place to park bits) [16:55]
mod6 phf: yeah, im not sure what you're asking for [16:56]
mod6 jurov: can you parse this and understand what he's talking about?? ^^^ [16:56]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185556 << unix on a single-addressspace box is mega-l0l [16:56]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 18:52:21; mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked [16:56]
mod6 [jurov run's the mailman stuff, so he'd be probably more apt to grok whatever your asking for ] [16:57]
trinque what are you guys building stator on? [16:57]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185565 << imho the miner must live [16:57]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 18:54:52; punkman: mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release [16:57]
ascii_field (discussed in old threads) [16:57]
ascii_field ~reference client~ MUST have some example of working miner. [16:57]
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ascii_field put it this way, if tomorrow you are shipped to alpha centauri with just the reference client, you must be able to set up bitcoin there. [16:58]
jurov um...er... if you want whole emails..then just receive them? [16:58]
jurov i don't understand, either [16:58]
shinohai ikr, I get it all in the mailing list, no confusion there. [16:59]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185644 << terrible idea [17:00]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 19:44:53; phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then [17:00]
ascii_field may as well use 'git' etc. then [17:00]
trinque could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff" [17:00]
trinque which you can apply or not [17:00]
ascii_field the point, which i've been trying and apparently failing to make for ages, is that if you are thinking about automating this, you are 'doing things wrong' [17:01]
ascii_field the manual gymnastics on command line should be a ~VANISHINGLY~ small fraction of your efforts [17:02]
ascii_field when reviewing patches [17:02]
ascii_field if they loom large, it is because you are not spending the requisite effort [17:02]
ascii_field in reading [17:02]
phf jurov: i only joined the conversation recently, so i don't have a complete history of emails. of course i'm getting complete emails now, but not the past ones [17:02]
shinohai I don't think I would want an automatic solution in that regard. [17:02]
ascii_field my point is that this is Not Like Other Projects [17:03]
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jurov i have nothing against publishing the mailbox [17:05]
* trinque respects the various buttons he's created for himself to do all kinds of destructive things [17:06]
jurov but you sorely underestimate the work needed to put together http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html [17:06]
trinque but I see the point clearly [17:06]
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phf ascii_field: having a turnkey solution is not the intent behind my request (though i prefer tools in my mail client to messing around with lynx/wget.) i'm interested in having a "take to mars" copy of bitcoind history. right now it's a bit all over the place. patches here, email text there, etc. [17:06]
ascii_field fair [17:06]
jurov and info for columns "released in"/"based on" must be done manually anyway [17:06]
jurov (donations welcome) [17:07]
ascii_field probably the most dire omission is any 'family tree' for the patches [17:07]
mats no takers for 0.1BTC to pick up a pogo so far huh [17:09]
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mats ill bump it up to 0.25 to subsidize purchase of 1tb spinning disk or a SSD [17:09]
ascii_field mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd [17:10]
ascii_field or won't lay block in <10min [17:10]
ascii_field (no ram for caching!) [17:10]
mats o [17:10]
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shinohai @ mats O.o 0.1 to buy pogo wid ? [17:12]
mats wid? [17:12]
shinohai *with [17:12]
Jautenim ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180981 tried today and failed [17:12]
assbot Logged on 29-06-2015 04:05:44; *: BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon [17:12]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:12]
mats 0.25 to buy pogo for purpose of setting up node, if you are L1/L2 [17:13]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185579 << no. stands alone (just add distfiles for deps) [17:13]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 19:03:32; trinque: is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ? [17:13]
ascii_field it was meant to be a picture of my (at the time) set [17:13]
shinohai I *think* i am a lowly 1 >.< [17:13]
Jautenim I coaxed it to compile the turd but segfaults straight away [17:13]
trinque ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known [17:13]
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ascii_field ^ where ? [17:13]
trinque I'll paste [17:13]
ascii_field uclibc ? [17:13]
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ascii_field or ordinary glibc [17:14]
trinque no glibc and gentoo hardened [17:14]
ascii_field odd [17:14]
trinque I'll restart from the beginning and paste the whole thing [17:14]
mats !gettrust shinohai assbot [17:14]
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ascii_field presently i suspect that 'musl' is the only glibc replacement that has any promise [17:14]
phf jurov: i'm not in a position to make suggestions to the way things are done in the republic :) i used patches.html, i found some issues with it from the perspective of figuring out what transpired before i started paying attention, so i did extra work on top. cura te ipsum. i figured having mailbox available will make the works of others after me easier [17:15]
ascii_field (author explicitly subscribes to the 'short, readable, and compatible' thing) [17:15]
mod6 i saw that comment yesterday, I briefly looked at it's page ascii_field, I'll take a deeper look at musl soon. hopefully that'll get us further? [17:15]
ascii_field last night i looked into doing a 'buildroot' with it [17:15]
ascii_field but presently haven't the time to do a proper job of it [17:16]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185596 << i may be thick - what is being admitted to here ? [17:16]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 19:12:49; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits. [17:16]
jurov phf why you're not in such and such position? [17:17]
mod6 ok shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt [17:18]
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shinohai ty mod6 reading nau [17:22]
mod6 that btw, was built on x86-64 deb6/glibc env. [17:22]
shinohai Should build on Jessie np [17:22]
mod6 it should allow you to sync off of mp's blockchain w/the appropriate cmdline params and then do dumpblock/eatblock when it's finished or whatever you like. [17:23]
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shinohai awesum [17:23]
mod6 !up ascii_field [17:23]
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mod6 :] [17:23]
jurov jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? ok, considered [17:23]
ascii_field mod6: waitasec, that's a valid build [17:24]
ascii_field but didn't you say 'barfed' ? [17:24]
mod6 when? [17:24]
trinque jurov: ty [17:24]
jurov one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures. << good point [17:24]
ascii_field mod6: ah no, that was trinque [17:24]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185716 [17:24]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 20:09:32; trinque: ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known [17:24]
trinque yar, rebuilding now [17:24]
mod6 ascii_field: i did have a problem with it a number of days ago when I first tried it, but it was just an environment related issue. this build, I literally just did it, worked fine. [17:24]
mod6 ah ok [17:25]
trinque I wanna do some gcov work this weekend [17:25]
mod6 and trinque, did you hvae that -fPIC issue on gentoo with uClibC? that's the same error I was talking about all last month and in the SoBA [17:25]
trinque yeah but this is glibc [17:25]
trinque my lappy [17:25]
mod6 ah hmm [17:25]
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mod6 so phf brings to light a good point, reading through the email list, especially if you haven't read the b-a logs from oct-14 on is probably more than a bit hard to follow. ascii_field brings up a good point about having a 'family tree' [17:29]
mod6 there are a number of different directions these emails go in; patching for v0.5.3.1, pogotronic, gentoo, etc, etc. so I'll try my best to make this apparent when I write up a patch list, etc. [17:30]
mod6 i'm not sure what to do about this as far as the email list is concerened, yet. [17:30]
ascii_field mod6: i kinda assumed you and ben_vulpes would roll the patch sequence docs into releases [17:30]
ascii_field (iirc this was the case in 5.3.1 actually) [17:31]
mod6 yah. we would certainly put all the patches applied to a specific baseline into RELEASE_NOTES.txt as it was for v0.5.3.1 [17:31]
jurov phf, if you can make better patchlist, are you willing to contribute your script? [17:32]
shinohai That would be the easiest, releases [17:32]
mod6 but pre-milestone release, it does get hard to follow. and since I do believe it'll still be some time before we get the next milestone cut, I should prepare some sort of document so individuals can help test. (we very much appreciate the enthusiasm and the help!) [17:32]
shinohai I have little better that piques the imagination [17:33]
mod6 anyway, we'll get there. [17:34]
mod6 a wise man told me once: life is short and art is long. [17:35]
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phf jurov: i don't think there's complete understanding as to what should go into patchlist yet. the one we have now is fine, and i'm sure it will be improved [17:36]
phf i was actually taking a harder position, if somebody wants to follow along they should read the mailing list from the beginning, and having it all accessible in one place for offline reading helps [17:38]
mod6 and really, if you wanna follow along, it helps to have the historical timeline 'in head' as well by reading the logs since last October. [17:38]
mod6 it can't hurt anyway [17:39]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185572 << these appear to be in entirely random order... [17:42]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 19:01:15; trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum [17:42]
ascii_field ^ jurov ? [17:42]
jurov i see [17:42]
mod6 oh yeah, now that page was the one i was referring to; i find it pretty unhelpful at all unless you're looking for just who submitted/signed & the sig. [17:43]
mod6 not that I have any better ideas at this point. [17:44]
mod6 phf: was this the page you were trying to follow? [17:44]
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jurov phf: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/btc-dev.mbox.xz [17:45]
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jurov not auto updated, url subject to change [17:45]
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phf jurov: thanks! [17:46]
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mircea_popescu buncha amateurs the people in this country i swear... [17:50]
mircea_popescu i've not seen the likes of it since romania. [17:50]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: ? [17:51]
kakobrekla mod6 the prefix is '!v' [17:52]
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mod6 thanks kakobrekla [17:52]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field what is "the very important business" a reddit chapter seeded and mostly fed by usg's own something awful crew would conceivably be doing iyo ? [17:52]
ascii_field aha that [17:53]
ascii_field was speaking of the 'in this country' bit [17:53]
shinohai o/ ty mod6 [17:53]
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mircea_popescu ah. just a buncha stupid kids "trying" like the entire world were a kindergarten and "best effort" were a thing and really, we're just playing here. [17:54]
mod6 thanks for your help shinohai [17:55]
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shinohai ty mircea_popescu [17:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184112 << either the only person figuring this shit's funny was german, or else they suffer from the disadvantage of being the second largest thing in nato. [18:01]
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mats eh [18:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184130 << running out of random letter combinations over at the start-up culture plant/ [18:03]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 12:44:57; punkman: just go wih it [18:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184142 <<< o.O so this is worth what, like 30 bn or so ? [18:04]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184181 o.O [18:05]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 15:51:49; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick [18:05]
mircea_popescu oh nm, 30k of which some actually did 20 euro alrighty. [18:05]
mats https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc loll [18:06]
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Duffer1 lmao [18:06]
mircea_popescu no dude, she's doing a great job. let her stay. [18:06]
mircea_popescu she's even better than that fucktardina chick that sunk hp [18:06]
ascii_field 'heightening the contradictions' (tm) [18:07]
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mats she may even be ready for a presidential run in 2020 [18:07]
mircea_popescu i gotta say i absolutely am loving the choices of women to put "in tech" the enema's makin'. [18:07]
mats the first asian woman!!1 [18:07]
mircea_popescu straight out of asshole. [18:07]
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mircea_popescu mats he's azn ? [18:08]
mats ellen pao is asian [18:08]
mircea_popescu wasn't she from baltimore or something [18:08]
mats i mean, she's yellow. kinda asian. [18:08]
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mats first-generation chinese-american [18:09]
mircea_popescu a ok. [18:10]
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* mircea_popescu never got what difference it makes [18:10]
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mircea_popescu o.O [18:10]
ascii_field meowmix ? [18:10]
mats well, further you get from immigrant parents, more retarded you usually get [18:11]
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mircea_popescu didn't work so well for obama this theory [18:11]
mircea_popescu isn't he straight from kenya ? [18:11]
mircea_popescu well... "hawaii"./ [18:11]
ascii_field hawauenya [18:11]
mircea_popescu is that the car brand ? [18:11]
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mircea_popescu mats i mean i could see it in usage like "e transilvanean de-ai nostri", ie, "he's one of ours". but that's for a minuscule and very culturally coherent ethnic group. [18:13]
mircea_popescu "asian" is about as descriptive as "the country of earth"./ [18:13]
decimation he's the bastard son of a kenyan [18:13]
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mircea_popescu i guess she does look distinctive enough, and since presidents are more about looks than actors... myeah ok [18:14]
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mircea_popescu alrighty, i'm sold. ellen pao 2016! [18:14]
ascii_field ellen nao! [18:15]
mircea_popescu first asian woman in tech president ftw. [18:15]
ascii_field for emergency clitler [18:15]
mats welp, she does speak mandarin fluently, so she has that going for her [18:15]
ascii_field why wait [18:15]
shinohai The WH lineup for 2016 is a circus already. [18:15]
mircea_popescu mandarin is best spoken influently. [18:15]
decimation note that obama is not 'black' in the sense of being ethnically like most black africans who live in the us [18:15]
ascii_field can help organize the cn surrender, too [18:15]
mircea_popescu but bar that, i guess fluently is good enough [18:15]
shinohai * Herbert Hoover and his wife also spoke Mandarin, so what? [18:15]
decimation they generally come from wester africa [18:15]
mircea_popescu decimation i am broadly unconvinced the concept of ethnicity makes any sense in africa. [18:16]
mircea_popescu the french just started using it cca 1800 as if, and nobody really discussed the matter. [18:16]
mats i speak mandarin influently. my cantonese is pretty good, though. [18:16]
decimation as in, doesn't exist? [18:16]
mircea_popescu as in, is not meaningful. [18:16]
mats this makes literacy... tricky [18:16]
mircea_popescu for one thing, it's not clear what "ethnicity" without a written culture would be. [18:16]
shinohai tradition [18:17]
mircea_popescu this isn't a lego car where all the pieces match shinohai [18:17]
shinohai lel no [18:17]
mircea_popescu decimation gotta bear in mind that "ethnicity" is not a thing, just a word we use for the thing. it's a map. that a map is flat and a place is round does not mean the round place has no geography [18:18]
mircea_popescu but it may mean the map doesnt work for describing it./ [18:18]
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decimation so there's 'no meaningful difference' between igbo in nigeria and a majang in ethiopia? [18:18]
mircea_popescu i do not know. [18:18]
mircea_popescu i do know it is upon the proponent to ~prove~ rather than just assert that the tools we developed to discuss and analyse the "terra irredenta" movements in italy cca 1800 are also applicable or meaningful in black africa. [18:19]
decimation well, my point is that obama is from the Luo people [18:19]
* mircea_popescu never bothered with it, but is this luo people an internal or an external identity ? [18:20]
decimation my understanding is internal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_people_of_Kenya_and_Tanzania [18:20]
assbot Luo people of Kenya and Tanzania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaA8fm ) [18:20]
mircea_popescu ie, is it equivalent to saying "one of the terrorist people" or to "one of the lordship" ? [18:20]
decimation they have their own language [18:22]
decimation or at least dialect [18:22]
mircea_popescu aha. [18:22]
decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_dialect [18:22]
assbot Luo dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaAliD ) [18:22]
decimation "The main Luo livelihoods are fishing, farming and pastoral herding. Outside Luoland, the Luo comprise a significant fraction of East Africa's intellectual and skilled labour force in various professions. Others members work in eastern Africa as tenant fishermen, small scale farmers, and urban workers." [18:22]
mircea_popescu impossible to discern how much is a case of "the missionary used a word to best describe what he saw" and "we have created a structure through normal function". anyway, minor point. [18:22]
mircea_popescu like all of africa. [18:22]
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ascii_field in other nyooz, 340100+ [18:23]
shinohai I finally hit 205000 [18:24]
decimation anyway, my earlier meta-point was that I theorize that many voted for obama because he was black but 'not that kind of black' [18:24]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: trying to recall - was it you who tried to parallel-process the signature checks ? [18:24]
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mircea_popescu i do not think so ascii_field [18:24]
ascii_field hm [18:24]
mircea_popescu shinohai you also getting off mine ? [18:24]
ascii_field notice that sync above block 200k or so is cpu-bound [18:24]
mircea_popescu decimation prolly. who the hell knoiws why people vote [18:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_field very much would be. [18:25]
shinohai @ mircea_popescu yes your node is my sole connection. [18:25]
shinohai I wanted clean db [18:25]
mircea_popescu i think i said this before, but in any case bears repeating insistently : larger blocks are a complex discussion that will involve many and numerous benchmarking. it's not the simple matter idiots make it out. [18:25]
mircea_popescu shinohai aha cool then. no spurts or weird disconnects or anything ? [18:26]
* ascii_field believes that we already have pretty large blocks [18:26]
decimation aye [18:26]
decimation go to blockchain.info and watch the waterfall of txns [18:26]
mircea_popescu ascii_field get a load of this : three days of random, odd internet behaviour, discussed here publicly, which then went away by itself. i did nothing to the server, i asssume neither did you. [18:26]
mircea_popescu what is this magic / [18:26]
mircea_popescu i would expect a stuttering engine to go on stuttering until discarded. [18:26]
shinohai No, mircea_popescu it has actually been faster than when I previously synced, less memory footprint ramwise [18:26]
kakobrekla the truth be this or that, if the majority of miners takes up big blocks pogos and company is phucked [18:27]
decimation maybe it was the work of the volunteer diggers in san francisco [18:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i welcome the verification of this theory in the field. [18:27]
decimation kakobrekla: that's why the reference implementation ought to be written to appeal to miners [18:27]
kakobrekla hah [18:27]
mats yes, a model with 8mb and 20mb blocks would be interesting [18:28]
mircea_popescu i imagine so would you : a bankrupt field of miners best chance to buy cheap mining rigs for a long time [18:28]
mircea_popescu but in any case : money talks. not "power rangers" and not the 0.3% ROI miners. and if moneys says fuck you everyone goes home and tries something else for next year's costume party. [18:28]
decimation kakobrekla: it's not as stupid as it sounds [18:29]
decimation what miners want to deal with bitcoind correctness [18:29]
shinohai What amazes me is it has synced this far in < 1 day [18:29]
mircea_popescu shinohai why should it amaze you ? [18:29]
shinohai It amazes me because it took 4-5 days before [18:29]
kakobrekla but 'miners' are zombies, will eat whatever comes their way and cant count on them thinking about anything [18:29]
punkman ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke [18:29]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's fine. they also have to make money somehow. [18:30]
decimation kakobrekla: exactly, which is why they would use whatever other people say is good [18:30]
mircea_popescu and that somehow is by selling what they mine. [18:30]
mircea_popescu so yes, zombies. just, make sure you identify the necromancer driving them correctly [18:30]
kakobrekla they are getting spammed with 'bitcoin upgrades' as we speak [18:30]
mircea_popescu sure. [18:30]
kakobrekla my guess is most wont have a second thought. [18:30]
decimation exactly, so if they have brains this will wake them up to 'wtf is going on with bitcoind' [18:30]
mircea_popescu and the same people will be selling the farm three to six months down the road. [18:30]
decimation those withouth brains will be trying to sell used asics [18:31]
mircea_popescu as eulora tips say, "a willingness to learn is not mandatory. neither is survival." [18:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, i am very excited about this actually happening. [18:32]
mod6 <+punkman> ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke << looks right to me. [18:33]
mircea_popescu the mass slaughter of a large contingent of people who act as if "doing what everyone else does is safe", and who lose millions at it is the best thing that can happen. [18:33]
kakobrekla i cant have blockchain dead for a month [18:33]
mircea_popescu a shining moment of "buying ibm gets you killed" is more valuable than asia. [18:33]
kakobrekla thinking of who else is such case here, davout ? [18:34]
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mod6 punkman: you may want the kills_integer_retardation in there, as well as nubs`'s gentoo sanity, at least the part with the copying over of the headers & libs in auto.sh check those out here: [18:35]
mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html [18:35]
mod6 and here: [18:35]
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mircea_popescu last i heard davout was looking for ways to programatically exploit the shitcoin [18:35]
mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html [18:35]
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decimation kakobrekla: what do you mean about 'having blockchain dead' [18:35]
kakobrekla having a chain with a gazillion difficulty and no to little miners on it [18:37]
decimation I find the probability of that happening to be very low [18:38]
kakobrekla the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window) [18:39]
kakobrekla when this happens there already is such condition as i described give or take [18:39]
kakobrekla and the even bringing that percentage even higher as some give up. [18:39]
kakobrekla event* [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.0004959 = 13.3397 BTC [-] [18:40]
trinque man dpaste sucks [18:41]
trinque cannot paste the whole boost build log [18:41]
mod6 did yours fail? [18:41]
trinque ascii_field: mod6: http://dpaste.com/1ZSXYK1.txt [18:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaCEm1 ) [18:42]
trinque the tail end ^ [18:42]
trinque hardened/linux/amd64 [18:43]
trinque with a pax/grsec kernel [18:43]
mod6 weird. that's basically the same problem i had with uClibC [ libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personali [18:44]
mod6 ty_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC ] [18:44]
mod6 except this is with glibc huh [18:45]
trinque suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? [18:46]
trinque rather than which libc [18:46]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla a loss of 90% mining power relates to blocks taking a little over an hour, not a month. [18:47]
mircea_popescu in other words, they can go hang, won't be noticed, won't be missed. [18:47]
mircea_popescu this is why miners are NOT actually seated at the table. [18:47]
mod6 <+trinque> suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? << yeah, i think this is a clue [18:48]
mircea_popescu their job begins and ends with rejecting bad blocks. they are in no way involved in deciding what that means. [18:48]
mircea_popescu exactly as it should be, incidentally. [18:48]
kakobrekla 90% < thats just the breaking point. once they figure out they have no wehre to send those coins short of mpex, those will be gone too. [18:49]
mircea_popescu except vice-versa. [18:50]
kakobrekla ah right the 1mb fits , forgot that. [18:50]
mircea_popescu looky here : a) mpex makes more money than the entire faux & pretend ecosyustem of coinbases and whatnot. those COST, a shitton of money, for the services they fail to provide. [18:50]
kakobrekla i still see problems down the road. [18:50]
mod6 trinque: sometime this month I'll try to pay with 'default/linux/uclibc/amd64' instead. [18:50]
decimation zooming out, the game theory is definitely against someone trying to make bigger blocks [18:50]
mircea_popescu if you think bitcoin is currently supported by people using bitpay to buy coffee, that is squarely your problem [18:51]
trinque mod6: I'm going to re-run it with the "vanilla" gcc now [18:51]
mircea_popescu well of course. problems down the road is what we signed up for. [18:51]
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mod6 and if that doesn't work, maybe I can give 'hardened/linux/musl/amd64' (i don't see a non-hardened one available atm) [18:51]
mircea_popescu otherwise we'd be working accounting on excel spreadsheets. [18:51]
mod6 trinque: aight, thanks! [18:51]
trinque word [18:51]
mircea_popescu meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ? [18:52]
trinque crud? [18:53]
mircea_popescu i just cleanned it [18:53]
mod6 sometimes a hair gets stuck in mine, and I have to pull it out. [18:53]
mod6 wireless or usb? [18:54]
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mod6 !up assbot [18:55]
mircea_popescu ps/2 [18:55]
mod6 !up ascii_field [18:55]
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mod6 ah, ps2. maybe just try disconnecting it and re-connecting it? [18:55]
mod6 otherwise, it could be something with the surface that you're using it on... like if its some how refracting in some strange way [18:56]
trinque ah yeah, I've had mine move suddenly if I lifted the mouse while using it for that reason [18:57]
trinque which I do habitually, as if trying to climb across the desk with the mouse [18:57]
mircea_popescu lol [18:58]
mircea_popescu nah it jitters upside down too [18:58]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184196 << lol what is this retarded bullshit. [19:07]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:16:04; decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no fur [19:07]
mircea_popescu who the fuck wants to "credit himself" with the retarded ? [19:07]
mircea_popescu to "discredit yourself" in the estimation of boring old aunties and so forth is exactly what cool is all about. [19:08]
mircea_popescu god help whosoever is held in high regard by "persons of even mid-level status". [19:08]
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trinque mod6: switching to vanilla gcc got past the fPIC barf [19:14]
decimation I linked it partially for luls [19:14]
trinque then this happened: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/libs/boost/patches/200-cstdint_missing_include.patch?rev=34635 [19:14]
assbot 200-cstdint_missing_include.patch in packages/libs/boost/patches [19:14]
trinque and now I've got one boost barf left [19:15]
mircea_popescu decimation it is pretty lulzy in its self-referential dementia. [19:15]
trinque will document what I ended up having to do to build it at the end [19:15]
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scoopbot_revived BitBet (S.BBET) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-june-2015-statement/ [19:18]
ascii_field 341521+ [19:19]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [19:21]
gribble Current Blocks: 363701 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 1194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [19:21]
mircea_popescu almost there. be what, coupla hours [19:21]
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decimation almost where? [19:24]
mircea_popescu his syncing. 22k to go [19:24]
trinque mod6: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/6851 << had to do this as well, after which boost built [19:25]
* trinque is astounded at the amount types wiggle platform to platform [19:26]
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punkman "I can't use ::int64_t as it not defined on all compilers for example on some platforms (Windows) we do not have stdint.h so we do not have int64_t in the global namespace. " [19:27]
shinohai Thou shalt use linux. [19:28]
mircea_popescu can't it just be aliased in precompiler directive ? [19:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184203 << im sure if you make inquiries inside any prison, it's just a large collection of well meaning family fathers that have been put there by the conspiracy of fate and the iniquities of evil men. [19:30]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:19:40; decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads [19:30]
mircea_popescu heck, the way usg is going, this is actually becoming more and more true each decade. [19:31]
mircea_popescu "Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine." [19:32]
mircea_popescu omfg fuck this shit. outsiders do not wish a lever or care for one. [19:32]
mircea_popescu i hope your machinery is built out of hammer resistant materials, [19:33]
mircea_popescu because that means i'll have to bring forth the tracked 800kton one. [19:33]
trinque and hey, I got a static bitcoind [19:33]
mircea_popescu wd! [19:34]
trinque ty [19:34]
trinque "static" anyway [19:34]
mircea_popescu syncs and errything ? [19:34]
trinque bout to give it a run with gcov [19:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184212 << spank it first. [19:49]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:21:44; ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off. [19:49]
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mircea_popescu jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. [20:20]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184293 << yes. how many do you want ? [20:22]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 17:49:50; jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe? [20:22]
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DanyAlos Hello there. [20:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184328 << o hey! [20:24]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 18:14:13; mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator [20:24]
mircea_popescu hello DanyAlos . who are you ? [20:24]
DanyAlos What do you mean with "who are you"? [20:25]
DanyAlos I am an individual. [20:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184345 << this is not as bad as it sounds actually. [20:25]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 18:18:22; ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water) [20:25]
mircea_popescu mkay. [20:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184352 << which puts trinque about on par with the average developer these days, who ALSO hasn't read anything in about five years. just wrote more unreadable chicken scribblings. each day. [20:26]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:46; ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway [20:26]
mod6 <+trinque> and hey, I got a static bitcoind << nice!! i'll give this a shot here tonight yet [20:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << incidentally, what is the republic's take on this ? [20:30]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).' [20:30]
mircea_popescu do we allow arbitrary getdata ? [20:31]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. << good deal. maybe just needed reinitialization for whatever reason [20:31]
DanyAlos mircea_popescu: Sorry if I misunderstand somthing. My english is not so fluid. [20:31]
DanyAlos *something [20:31]
mircea_popescu DanyAlos in general english wouldn't have much to do with one's identity, does it ? unl;ess you'd be shakespeare or something. [20:31]
DanyAlos Haha. It english almost have nothing to do with me. [20:32]
DanyAlos I use it as a tool [20:32]
mircea_popescu kay then [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00049147 = 42.6104 BTC [-] {3} [20:33]
DanyAlos But I supousse that if I speak spanish here nobody would get a thing. [20:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184474 << possibly. it's not directly cut, because permaindexes just add to the complexity of keeping a node. [20:33]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:49; ascii_field: (speaking of 'getdata' here) [20:33]
mircea_popescu yo hablo espanol. [20:34]
mircea_popescu !s espanol [20:34]
assbot 6 results for 'espanol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=espanol [20:34]
DanyAlos No sabía eso! [20:34]
DanyAlos Pensé que solo inglés y rumano. [20:34]
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mircea_popescu alman, frances, italian etc. [20:35]
DanyAlos ¿Lo hablás en forma fluida? [20:35]
mircea_popescu mas o menos. [20:35]
DanyAlos Ok. Políglota, entonces. [20:35]
DanyAlos El "más o menos" es muy argentino! [20:36]
mircea_popescu :p [20:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184504 << no, the america online of us internets [20:37]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:47; ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ? [20:37]
mircea_popescu oh... nm. [20:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184505 << this is actually true. it pays to be a terrorist because then they don't hassle you in the hopes that you somehow don't notice that you're the only one unhassled by the gestapo in a field of obsequious peasants. [20:38]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:51; kakobrekla: unless you are registered terrorist [20:38]
mircea_popescu bureaucracies at work. [20:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184517 << quite. this is how the fellow ends up having to do "enough" gestures. shcelling point [20:39]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 21:04:00; ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time [20:39]
mircea_popescu in its own perverse way, it's a leadership function. provides means for people to agree. [20:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184534 << it is one of those final stages of cultural decay. "nothing means anything anymore" sort of situation. [20:41]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 21:09:51; ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin' [20:41]
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mircea_popescu the obvious approach would be to protest these uppity kindergartners feel too special for their own good. but that's merely sympthom imo. [20:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184654 << we'd have to do the math about it. but remember : stinkbombs don't work by actually choking anyone. [20:45]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:46:19; decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs [20:45]
mircea_popescu someone recently managed to close down a 12 block section of wash dc by literally saying "i think i heard gunshots". [20:46]
mircea_popescu the cost to the enemy of any device is made out of a real and a perceived factor. these sometimes diverge. all radiation things diverge in the sense of perception overwhelming reality. [20:47]
assbot [MPEX] [D.BSTP] 11 @ 0.099 = 1.089 BTC [+] [20:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << women prefering to flock to a single male isn't misandry per se. more like reversal to normal. [20:48]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry [20:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184674 o.O [20:50]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:51:33; trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female [20:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184687 << signed what ? [20:51]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:56:37; danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures [20:51]
mircea_popescu oh oh i c. [20:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184704 << dude you gotta wear a recording devince next and have someone transcribe it. [20:52]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:04:05; danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery [20:52]
mircea_popescu sounds like a riot. [20:52]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184730 << ya srsly. [20:53]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:11:35; mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly [20:53]
trinque mircea_popescu: referring to the particular euphemism used around these parts to refer to the lifestyle where you get fucked up and fuck other dudes, and call it a sexual orientation [20:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184743 << not like you have to you know. [20:54]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:14:35; mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing [20:54]
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trinque not various other multiple-partner arrangements [20:55]
mircea_popescu trinque okay, but you know, the term both preexists and actually has genuine usage outside of whatever hipster subculture. [20:55]
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trinque yeah prolly does, granted [20:55]
trinque ^ euphemism for "I'm wrong" lol [20:55]
mircea_popescu otherwise, women drinking themselves into beds has been a mainstay of post-colonial british empire. [20:55]
mircea_popescu puritanism never really recovered after losing india. [20:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184744 <<< bwahahaha oh teh win [20:56]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:15:29; danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that [20:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184746 << if you believe in "regular folks" why not also believe in slaveborn niggers and all azns are coolies ? [20:57]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:16:17; mats: regular folk need https [20:57]
mircea_popescu seems pretty much the same proposition. [20:57]
mircea_popescu what exactly about this chick or that dude is making them be "regular folks", which is to say chattel rather than persons ? [20:58]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184774 << no, i'm sure it works quite well. a good pick-up line is made out of two parts, one's a valuation and the other's an unknown. then conversation can proceed around the unknown and as it proceeds, etc. [21:00]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:49:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?! [21:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184781 << i [21:01]
assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:57:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.' [21:01]
mircea_popescu ve never heard of a sexual market where men pay. [21:01]
mircea_popescu this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ? [21:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184791 << it's not that far off, i was thinking g_l sounded a lot like a much younger rms. [21:04]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 00:07:59; trinque: asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!" [21:04]
punkman http://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit/ [21:06]
assbot The Zero-Armed Bandit • Damn Interesting ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ral2ZG ) [21:06]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184817 << the loller of all time. when bitcoinj were making a 2nd implementation, the same crowd gnashed teeth about what a horribly bad and not good and dangerous and canned doom of an idea it is. [21:06]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:24:07; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0 [21:06]
mircea_popescu now that usg finally arrayed enough ethereum shitfountains to imagine it can pull it off, the tune changed. and it changed mid sentence and full spin around. [21:06]
* mircea_popescu loses interest after six lines or so. [21:07]
mircea_popescu this is why i have people doing summaries of the shit, which summaries i generally do not read. [21:08]
mircea_popescu i dunno how or why it'd be worth anyone's time, outside of the perverse interests of entomologists etc. [21:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184828 << speaking of which : a) you folk are gonna publish ips once the sync's done yes ? and b) bringing a seed up on nsa hardware this month maybe ? [21:09]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:27:53; asciilifeform: shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up [21:09]
shinohai on block 217340, will publish ip when synced fully [21:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184841 << was an important milestone this. at least for my internals. [21:10]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:34:33; asciilifeform: all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks [21:10]
mircea_popescu shinohai great. [21:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17321 @ 0.0005028 = 8.709 BTC [+] {2} [21:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184853 << that [21:12]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:39:38; asciilifeform: or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack [21:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184908 << this is dubious. people failed to realise and walk away from us, why would they move away ever ? [21:15]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:54:30; decimation: if house always wins, people will realized and move on [21:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184912 << but you would have statistically visible "overwinning". [21:16]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:56:25; asciilifeform: whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day [21:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184940 << wait. [21:17]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:38; trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root [21:17]
mircea_popescu wut ?! [21:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184941 << would be infinitely better if it used "english dictionary" instead of "base64" as an encoding mechanism. [21:18]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:40; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea [21:18]
mircea_popescu nobody could distinguish its output from normal reddit functioning. [21:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184982 << there is a difference between "reason to believe poses a threat" and "no reason to believe doens't pose a threat". [21:21]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 02:57:14; decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat." [21:21]
mircea_popescu this difference is a lot more marked than the subtle contortions the supreme court's been using these last years to rule in favour of unexamined hipsterism [21:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185066 o.O [21:26]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 11:01:01; jurov: plus some utterly vexing and hapless dreams gratis [21:26]
mircea_popescu want a loaf of tuber bread ? [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00051533 = 53.2594 BTC [+] [21:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185122 << dat sentence :D [21:28]
shinohai "due to there incompetence in securing there system" >>> http://redd.it/3c1n6r [21:28]
assbot Blockchain paid 17 BTC belonging to me to scammer : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GV8M5f ) [21:28]
shinohai [sic] their [21:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185130 << thread's not easy to wear out. [21:28]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 11:58:29; jurov: she wore out several of them [21:29]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 12:03:45; diana_coman: very solid for a piece of thread basically :))) [21:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185163 <<< but i thought they OWNED REDDIT NOTES!!11 [21:30]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 13:37:30; decimation: oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves! [21:30]
mircea_popescu fucktards srsly. [21:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185164 << o has it ? mod6 you got any opinion on the subject ? [21:31]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 13:43:50; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << this has *always* gotten up my nose [21:31]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186165 << my idea is to bring up node on dulap as soon as syncs [21:37]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 00:05:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184828 << speaking of which : a) you folk are gonna publish ips once the sync's done yes ? and b) bringing a seed up on nsa hardware this month maybe ? [21:37]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186176 << not if done correctly. all the peanutgallery could see is 'the statistically expected number of players won' [21:38]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 00:12:20; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184912 << but you would have statistically visible "overwinning". [21:38]
asciilifeform they'd just all happen to be employees of the house. [21:38]
asciilifeform (or rather, tx's issued by house.) [21:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186154 << l0l, short supply ?! most plentiful thing on planet3 [21:40]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 23:58:23; mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ? [21:40]
asciilifeform doesn't sell very well on its own. [21:41]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody interested in multiprocessorizing bitcoin sig check ? [21:43]
asciilifeform it'd be trivial [21:43]
asciilifeform (but afaik, no one has done it yet... why ?) [21:43]
ben_vulpes http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-/ << asciilifeform l0l 404! [21:44]
assbot 404 - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVa9AZ ) [21:44]
ben_vulpes i am *not* logged up [21:45]
asciilifeform http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:acA0xSOPfrAJ:blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us [21:45]
assbot Raising Darwin's Consciousness: An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVaeVi ) [21:45]
asciilifeform http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rdkpk4a5oh4J:blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-the-evolutionary-lessons-of-motherhood/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us [21:45]
assbot Raising Darwin's Consciousness: Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on the Evolutionary Lessons of Motherhood - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVafIN ) [21:45]
ben_vulpes http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/ [21:46]
asciilifeform ^ up, for the time being [21:46]
assbot Raising Darwin's Consciousness: An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVafZf ) [21:46]
ben_vulpes lol @ btc->sexprs, asciilifeform [21:46]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185338 << and the phf went & did [21:46]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 17:50:03; phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties. [21:46]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: blockchain->sexprs or ragel parser [21:47]
asciilifeform one of those beautiful magic momentz [21:47]
asciilifeform when i don't have to do a chore personally [21:47]
ben_vulpes leading any charge is risky and painful [21:47]
ben_vulpes muchas gracias for the hrdy link [21:49]
asciilifeform np [21:49]
asciilifeform save the thing somewhere (archive.today ?) [21:49]
asciilifeform i bet the linked turd is not long for this world [21:49]
ben_vulpes first link already 404d [21:49]
ben_vulpes https://archive.is/39iJE [21:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFEWm ) [21:50]
ben_vulpes how does this thing even work [21:51]
ben_vulpes phf: ty for lisps [21:51]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that cutblock c util was very instructive, ty [21:51]
ben_vulpes phf: (v. instructive among other good things) [21:52]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: could do an even shorter/sweeter bidirectional (!) version with 'binary-types' ( http://www.cliki.net/binary-types ) [21:52]
assbot CLiki: Binary-types ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFNZH ) [21:52]
punkman I run stator.sh and it barfed http://dpaste.com/3GHQRAC.txt [21:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFOwP ) [21:52]
asciilifeform punkman: you gotta download the deps ! [21:53]
punkman I did [21:53]
ben_vulpes aha that's really nifty. [21:53]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ^^ [21:53]
asciilifeform punkman: your shell, for some reason, isn't seeing the install dir [21:53]
asciilifeform and tries to create bdb's 'include' in root [21:54]
asciilifeform whatcha building on ? [21:54]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185122 << i grow curious about average hrs/user spent in eulora [21:54]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 11:58:29; jurov: she wore out several of them [21:54]
asciilifeform vax? [21:54]
ben_vulpes of the active users. [21:54]
phf ben_vulpes: like asciilifeform said there are better approaches, but yw [21:54]
punkman some version of Mint [21:54]
ben_vulpes phf: well hey like i said instructive [21:54]
asciilifeform punkman: from here i can only conclude that your unixlike is braindamaged beyond repair! [21:54]
asciilifeform get a gentoo ? [21:54]
asciilifeform or what BingoBoingo or mod6 built on ? [21:54]
phf the general pattern is a bunch of read-* functions, that are all ultimately reduced to read-byte or read-sequence. the an (unsigned-byte 8) stream and return whatever datrastructure [21:57]
phf *they take [21:57]
asciilifeform it is nifty and very educational and mega-recommended to all students of the subject ^ [21:57]
punkman I think the problem was I didn't have "realpath" [21:59]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185971 << wai wut, is kakobrekla now fearing gavinocalypse ? [21:59]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 21:35:10; kakobrekla: the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window) [21:59]
ben_vulpes punkman: have you tried my a47.sh? [21:59]
punkman ben_vulpes: no [22:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186009 << a modern (vs. the infrared diode + mirror mat '80s kind) optic mouse is a pretty hefty computer by itself. complete with bugs [22:00]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 21:48:42; mircea_popescu: meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ? [22:00]
asciilifeform (there was a proggy posted some years ago to use one as a camera!) [22:01]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186157 << mega-classic, and was discussed here before. including the fact that later bombmeisters have added the necessary detail of bar of soap and photocell (fluoresces under xray, sets off secondary detonator) [22:05]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 00:02:06; punkman: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit/ [22:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.00051396 = 49.6999 BTC [-] {2} [22:07]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186241 << it has bug, i realized later, will die if finds testnet blocks [22:09]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 00:47:53; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that cutblock c util was very instructive, ty [22:09]
asciilifeform go, fix [22:09]
punkman !s photocell [22:10]
assbot 3 results for 'photocell' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=photocell [22:10]
asciilifeform phun phakt: you can't buy (new) halon fire extinguishers in usa, but you can get... freon (hcfc-123) [22:15]
* asciilifeform just unpacked a crate with one [22:15]
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asciilifeform not cheap either. but you can still get! (until the envirowhiners get to it, too) [22:17]
* asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu keeps in his fire extinguisher [22:18]
asciilifeform (virgin tears? vodka ?) [22:18]
* trinque gets a funny feeling like he's watching a fast-forward replay of history itself whenever syncing a new blockchain [22:19]
* assbot gives voice to midnightmagic [22:19]
trinque all the events which transpired which are marked by a particular transaction [22:19]
asciilifeform trinque: you're only ~really~ replaying history if you 'eatblock' from mircea_popescu's raw blkxxxxen [22:19]
trinque deedbot- fascinates me for precisely this reason [22:19]
asciilifeform otherwise you're merely reenacting history [22:20]
trinque good point [22:20]
asciilifeform like those folks who play out old battles with dummy rounds [22:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00051544 = 28.8131 BTC [+] {2} [22:21]
trinque pulled the trigger on this one just to see whether it'd fire up and work, but yeah, I'll use mircea_popescu's node for the gcov run [22:23]
asciilifeform trinque: what's in your set ? [22:23]
trinque I am currently syncing from deedbot-'s node [22:23]
asciilifeform i meant, what patches [22:23]
trinque oh, I am using stator with no additional patches [22:23]
trinque which others should I apply? [22:23]
asciilifeform trinque: ought to suffice [22:24]
asciilifeform if you want 'dumpblock' and 'eatblock', those are not included in stator [22:24]
asciilifeform gotta apply manually [22:24]
trinque k [22:25]
asciilifeform they don't really do much good in a 'civilian' bitcoin node, though [22:26]
asciilifeform more for laboratory work. [22:26]
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decimation asciilifeform: it's lulzy that they regulate the shit of out freon for hvac, but use in fire extinguishers? [22:34]
decimation seems like co2 would be useful for many situations [22:35]
punkman ok, stator compiled successfully I think, anyone wanna give me a node IP? [22:41]
mod6 trinque: this may help you in your journey: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt [22:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD75iv ) [22:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107000 @ 0.00050961 = 54.5283 BTC [-] {3} [22:46]
decimation the 'realpath' thing is hilarious [22:48]
decimation why do half the distros use it, others use readlink [22:48]
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trinque mod6: thank you sir [22:52]
trinque I'm going to grab some food, then read up on gcov [22:52]
mod6 ok cool [23:01]
mod6 no prob [23:02]
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* assbot gives voice to DanyAlos [23:10]
DanyAlos Sorry for the sudden change of topic: [23:11]
DanyAlos I was looking for #bitcoin-assets on this search engine (http://irc.netsplit.de/channels), and realized that it is not listed. Is there any particular reason for not being there? [23:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00051748 = 21.1649 BTC [+] {3} [23:20]
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mod6 258k+ [23:23]
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punkman updated my mirror with thermonuke branch https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke [23:34]
assbot Commits · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCmjCv ) [23:34]
asciilifeform punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184829 [23:37]
assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 01:28:04; asciilifeform: 188.68.240.167 [23:37]
asciilifeform decimation: co2 extinguishers, are, interestingly, very expensive (largely on account of their size. you need a great lot of it) [23:38]
asciilifeform also thermal shocks machinery [23:38]
punkman asciilifeform: it's working, good job on the stator [23:38]
asciilifeform punkman: it's an interim thing. still need to shoot glibc in the head [23:38]
punkman it complained about getaddrinfo, that's to be expected then? [23:39]
asciilifeform yes. but it never gets called in bitcoin [23:39]
asciilifeform (not in the dns-free variant) [23:39]
punkman yeah I tried to find it in the src, nothing there [23:39]
asciilifeform something in 'boost' theoretically can invoke it, or rather - gcc is too dumb to know that it will never happen [23:39]
asciilifeform so it whines [23:39]
asciilifeform and puts a null stub there [23:40]
mats DanyAlos: this channel has the flag +s, and so it is unlisted [23:41]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186324 << very good for folks reading patches. but remember, the patches ~are~ the canonical patches... [23:45]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 02:30:46; punkman: updated my mirror with thermonuke branch https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke [23:45]
punkman yeah I don't pull back from github, only push [23:45]
asciilifeform so long as it is used as a 'graphical diff', oughta be harmless [23:46]
decimation I'm syncing static node with some random ip, to see if I get the same blkxxxx.dat results [23:47]
decimation one of them on mircea's list [23:47]
asciilifeform the hash list ? [23:48]
decimation no his trilema post [23:48]
asciilifeform ah [23:48]
decimation asciilifeform: did we do a thread on 'headers only' block data? [23:49]
asciilifeform mentioned on several occasions [23:49]
decimation it occurs to me that it would be useful to broadcast a digest of a block in addition to the actual block data [23:50]
decimation mainly for users on bandwidth constrained channels [23:50]
asciilifeform that'd be the header, no ? [23:50]
decimation I guess. [23:50]
asciilifeform node already has option of asking for those [23:50]
asciilifeform it is part of the protocol [23:50]
decimation ah, I will read the code [23:50]
asciilifeform what i think would be considerably more useful is a provision for 'programmable checkpoints' [23:50]
decimation For something like shortwave broadcast, this is what you would want [23:50]
asciilifeform that is, an ascii file similar to my sums.txt.gz [23:51]
asciilifeform signed with pgp, verified by user, dropped in .bitcoin [23:51]
decimation aye, that would be useful for a 'starter pak' node [23:51]
DanyAlos mats: Thx [23:51]
decimation one wonders why this hasn't been done already, seems an obvious fix to 'node takes forever to sync' [23:52]
asciilifeform won't make'em sync any faster [23:52]
asciilifeform but will discourage some of the more hamfisted kinds of shitgnomery [23:52]
decimation oh you just mean the sums [23:52]
asciilifeform aha [23:52]
decimation yeah okay, that would be useful for double-checking chain integrity yes [23:52]
decimation for the headers thing, I'm imagining a scenario where someone is waiting for a transaction to clear [23:53]
decimation it would be useful to know when a new block is found, so you can ask your peers for a copy [23:53]
asciilifeform what's wrong with the old-fashioned 'inv' ? [23:55]
decimation I suppose if a peer is available, you could do that. but then you are only trusting one node's say [23:55]
decimation imagine three frequencies with three different nodes around the world, all with agreement on headers [23:56]
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